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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2017, 03:57:56 AM »
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I didn't like the directors take on Power rangers, but some castlevania is better than none. I just hope the castlevania series isn't as boring as the power rangers fan film was.

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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2017, 04:27:20 AM »
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This. I'm kind of doubtful this will boost any awareness of the series in a positive way, but I'm hoping like hell that it does. It would be nice to h ave an enjoyable, noteworthy animated series with the Castlevania name on it.

I'm hoping all the "FUGGINVIOLENCEBRO" talk coming from the producer is just hyperbole. I admittedly enjoy pretty violent stuff, but making this some kind of gorefest would kind of cheapen the CV series, IMO. I mean, as long as it's not an animated version of Riki-Oh, or anything...
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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2017, 07:51:57 AM »
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My current feelings towards this project comes down to this: I really don't trust Warren Ellis or Adi Shankar but I do trust IGA.

IGA made Ellis go through five drafts of the premise and three of the full outline (this was mentioned on his blog). What I'm really hoping is this case is that the summary of the movie that was on those slides is one of the earlier versions of the premise. Because that sounded absolutely awful as a Castlevania movie, let alone as an adaptation of CVIII. Hopefully IGA looked at it and proceeded to revise the hell out of it.   

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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2017, 11:30:36 AM »
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Let's not forget that one of the biggest inspirations for the series, vampire Hunter d, was pretty damn violent.  Violence doesn't mean this is going to be torture porn.  Violence makes sense in the context, so long as they're not just spraying blood and guts every chance they get.

This. I think as bloody as I would see it go would be roughly where the anime adaptation of Dante's Inferno (the game) landed: yes, it's violent, yes, it's adult, but it was all in the spirit of the game they were adapting. It was never so violent that it just felt gratuitous. It was just the right level.

Also: watch that movie again and notice that every time a new animation studio takes over, Beatrice's boobs get bigger. lol
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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2017, 12:20:45 PM »
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Let's not forget that one of the biggest inspirations for the series, vampire Hunter d, was pretty damn violent.  Violence doesn't mean this is going to be torture porn.  Violence makes sense in the context, so long as they're not just spraying blood and guts every chance they get.

My understanding is that Castlevania didn't draw from VHD originally.



Since we're talking Castlevania III, and CVIII is a game from the "original series", I don't think VHD is a excuse here.

Also, VHD was violent, but it did not focus on the violence (blood and guts, I mean). It had a defined plot and ups and downs, with violence acting as punctuation. The way Shankar is selling this makes me think he wants us to believe this will be a gorefest. If they do VHD levels of violence, I will be very fine with it. But I don't believe they can pull that off.
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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2017, 12:37:04 PM »
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Also, VHD was violent, but it did not focus on the violence (blood and guts, I mean). It had a defined plot and ups and downs, with violence acting as punctuation. The way Shankar is selling this makes me think he wants us to believe this will be a gorefest. If they do VHD levels of violence, I will be very fine with it. But I don't believe they can pull that off.

Likewise.  VHD to me had about the right level of gore and violence, that fitted in well with the setting and the plot.  Being violent and gorey for the sake of it isn't so fine.  I'm just relieved that from the lok of things atm that they're not dumming it down to be a kids show.  We don't need more of obnoxious-skateboarder-teenage Alucard.
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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2017, 02:34:47 PM »
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Also, this kinda bullshit:



This is the incredible Warren Ellis giving four or five completelly bullshit reasons to remove Grant, on top of getting three or four more storyline elements wrong.

-Grant is not a pirate. He's a Wallachian rebel.
-Grant is not "Danasty" nor "Dinesti" but "Danesti". With this tidbit alone there is enough plot about warring families to last the entire movie. For someone who did an "extensive study on Vlad Tepes", as Ellis claimed on another post, it's interesting to see him ignore Grant's connection with a family Dracula had ties with and decide to not adapt that.
-Grant shouldn't have to be "shoehorned" into the plot because HE IS ONE OF THE PROTAGONISTS. Ellis shoehorned his goddamn bishop of Gresit nobody gives a flying fuck about to tell me there is no room for Grant?
-Acts as if there is not enough story on the original plot when there is actually one for a two-hour movie easily. That's what happens when you do zero research on the original material.
-No, you can't call your inexpertise "comedy".

On top of other one million useless stuff he added about Speakers and about Alucard getting fucked in the ass on the first act to then complain that Grant has no space on the story. Maybe he'd have some if Ellis weren't more preoccupied with goat-fucking-philosophy scenes.

"Plot you're calling Ellis inexperient?"

I'm calling out Ellis on his past inexperience with Castlevania. In one of the comments he even adds he has an interest in Castlevania. You can't put someone who has an interest on the property to write a big-screen movie about this property. Either this person eats and breathes the property, or they can get the fuck out. And Ellis has shown at the time of this blog post that his knowledge comes from what some Wikipedia article told him.

To be fair to Ellis, the project was envisioned as a trilogy. The "first movie" ended as they discovered Alucard's tomb, and not at the battle with Dracula. Thing is: There is absolutelly no reason to make this story into a trilogy. If they were not SO EAGER to make trilogies, they'd actually not have to fill the plot with a bunch of completelly inane crap and remove Grant from the first movie ("when he does turn up"). It's more about the complete lack of respect to the series than about the removal of Grant.

I sure hope this project as it stands NOW is good and Ellis has evolved the script into something superior (preferably with Grant in it), because the one he had was total horseshit, and it's truly astounting to me that Koji "Grant is important enough to be on Judgment" Igarashi approved of it.
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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2017, 03:01:25 PM »
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The way Shankar is selling this makes me think he wants us to believe this will be a gorefest. If they do VHD levels of violence, I will be very fine with it. But I don't believe they can pull that off.

Exactly. I'm not opposed to it being violent, but Shankar's comments are making me wonder whether the thing will have ham-fisted levels of gore in it for its own sake.
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« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2017, 03:13:03 PM »
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The 'Surely Grant's name should be re-translated as Grant Danesti rather than fully ditching him' point has also baffled me as to why it's not been done already even when the project was originally under development ten years ago.  For anyone who's actually looked at the real Vlad III's history, the DaNasty -> Danesti is insanely obvious....  I suppose that we will find out one way or the other in the not too distant future.
 
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2017, 03:29:52 PM »
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As plottwist points out, based on the information we were given, there are lot of warning signs. I really hope stupid mistakes like Grant being a pirate were things IGA commented on. Another thing I really dislike is the decision to depict  everyone affliated with the church as selfish and corrupt.  They basically act as minor villains. Aside from the fact that church bashing has become a really tired trope by itself, I don't think  depicting the church in that way fits Castlevania. In fact, it's the complete opposite of how they act in CVIII. They seem to be well-willing and ready to take action against Dracula, but unfortunately are not a match for him. In Ellis's version it seems like they're acting against the protagonists instead of aiding them. I think that's a really bad adaptation decision.   
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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2017, 04:23:06 PM »
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This whole Grant thing reminds of fans constantly getting stuff wrong in other series. Classic example in the fgc is they call Ryu, Ken and Akuma shoto fighters.. "Shotokan" karate is a form of karate but it's not theirs. They practice Ansatsuken (Assassin's Fist) with the killing component removed. It's obviously not real, like how Mishima style Zaibatsu isn't real, but everyone calls them "Shoto's". It's fucking stupid.. God people's stupidity  pisses me off sometimes..

They should tell this guy to put Grant in or fuck off home.
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« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2017, 05:03:06 PM »
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We have some big talent behidn the project, and Netflix has been killing it with og content. I have faith in this, and CV3 alone has more than enough material to base a show off of. Just glad it's going dark. They boast of a mature rating but let's hope they don't get too carried away to the point its hilarious or hard to take seriously.

EDIT: Ellis towards ditching Grant was the idea for a film in 2007? Like Ellis said he had only 80 min to tell a tale, and trimming the fat can help the film out in the end. With the project now being a netflix show instead of a movie, there'll be more time to flesh out each character and add things that wouldn't work in a single film narrative.
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« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2017, 06:08:22 PM »
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We have some big talent behidn the project, and Netflix has been killing it with og content. I have faith in this, and CV3 alone has more than enough material to base a show off of. Just glad it's going dark. They boast of a mature rating but let's hope they don't get too carried away to the point its hilarious or hard to take seriously.

EDIT: Ellis towards ditching Grant was the idea for a film in 2007? Like Ellis said he had only 80 min to tell a tale, and trimming the fat can help the film out in the end. With the project now being a netflix show instead of a movie, there'll be more time to flesh out each character and add things that wouldn't work in a single film narrative.

He didn't outright ditch Grant. He just thought Grant was too minor to introduce on the first movie (and offered a number of crap excuse to back this up). I certainly think he will appear on this Netflix show, but guess what? It'll have another season planned for 2018, with the one coming out now having four 30 minutes-long episodes.

I don't wanna wait until 2018 to see Grant, to be fairly honest to you. In fact I don't want to see tasteless humor, nor Gresit bishop, nor gore for gore's sake, nor Sypha being anything but a witch sent by the Church, nor Trevor "using his superior fighting skills" (whatever the hell this means) to defeat Cyclops inside some underground ruins (is it so hard to make it into a creepy-ass forest?). I don't want this bullshit, and I'm afraid this is exactly the bullshit we will get.

There is plenty of material on the original canon to work with and the only excuse for not adapting this material is not having done enough research.
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2017, 06:16:24 PM »
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There is plenty of material on the original canon to work with

I want the next two seasons to be about Hector and Juste's furniture collecting hobby.
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