Topic: If you could have any castlevania weapon

[theANdROId]

What, nobody wants the Belmont powerwalk?! ;-)

My first instinct is to pick an awesome weapon -- maybe the Claimh Solais, or the Crissagrim, or Death's Sythe, or I always liked the Balmung (as it appeared in Aria of Sorrow).  Then I think, "How can I not pick the Vampire Killer?!  The whip is one of my favorite things in Castlevania!"  But then some of the powered up subweapons are cool, like the axes with lightning from LoD, or the Item Crashes.

I need to figure out what I can get the most out of...which then brings up the idea of the power of dominance and all the different souls and the powers they give... :-S  so I should probably go see a Priest now. :-P

[Guy Belmont]

I need to figure out what I can get the most out of...which then brings up the idea of the power of dominance and all the different souls and the powers they give... :-S  so I should probably go see a Priest now. :-P

Return To Darkness

But interesting choice

[zangetsu468]

If Glyphs don't count I take Hector's Dragon Slayer

[suomynona]

CLAMIH SOLAIS. Clamih Solais.

If not, maybe Positron Rifle or Masamune.

Why not VK, because I'm not a Belmont nor Morris or any other Belmont heritage.

[TheTextGuy]

But then some of the powered up subweapons are cool, like the axes with lightning from LoD, or the Item Crashes.

Hmm, now that I think about it, I want the hydro storm instead of that divekick.

That, or Albus' Fei-Long kick with all those invul-frames.

[Guy Belmont]

If Glyphs don't count I take Hector's Dragon Slayer

No, no they count.

[gallandryal]

Eh, does the stopwatch count? A pretty boring answer, but it would be pretty nice to use to steal people's money avoid imminent danger.

It would be useful as i'm not a fighter so i would never have the agility to destroy a demon,  so this is my pick. Also  would be pretty fun have control over time

[Dracula9]

define "weapon"

if it means any mostly-physical combat-oriented thing, then i could make a compelling argument for half the ooe glyphs which would obviously be the best choice because instant variety

if it does not mean that and refers strictly to purely physical items that might have magical properties as a secondary, then the easy copout answer would be crissaegrim

although really my irish ass only has one pick and we all know what sword that is

Me and some pals were saying  if you could have one weapon and the abilities needed to use them

like having the arm strength to Lift clouds buster sword

minor rant incoming

this idea is honestly really silly

if one has the arm strength to lift the buster sword with ease and finesse, then just use a regular fucking sword

if you can swing around an 80-pound hunk of steel, imagine how much swing power you'd have with a more realistic 2-5 pound sword

also let's not forget that there are a slew of explanations as to how the blue fuck he swings that thing around like it's nothing (ff7 planet being smaller than earth and therefore lower gravitational force, obvious superhuman soldier enhancement, god-alien horizontal gene transfer affecting dna, etc.)

have the power to wield an 80-pound sword with ease, sure--but don't actually go around USING an 80-pound sword

grab a regular ass 4-something-pound claymore or whatever and start blueshifting that motherfucker with how fast you'd be swinging it (why blueshifting? well, gotta go fast brah)

[rant over]

[Guy Belmont]

Weapon: a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

 

[Dracula9]

POST-TEXTWALL EDIT: i see that you have removed the primary portion of your reply post, presumably so as not to derail or cause a storm or whatever, and out of respect for that decision i will put my reply to the deleted portion in spoilers--normally i'd delete it also if i'd actually posted and had the whole thing read before you removed your section, but just for fairness' sake i'm going to at least leave it posted in spoilers so that you can read it all and get a better idea of where it is i'm coming from in my previous assessment

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i'm trained in historical fencing

please don't patronize me because i value actual physics and their use in combat over pure fan nostalgia/favoritism factor

i can totally go all-in on that with all the hypotheticals in the world, but for me it's more fun to think of fantasy weapons that are actually feasible to exist and be wielded in the real world than to dream of completely impossible scenarios i would never be able to obtain without violating all known laws of physics (example: i can physically forge both the buster sword and narsil from lord of the rings--but i can only feasibly expect to wield the latter, because the former is simply too oversized and impractical to even consider using)

if someone can swing a heavy thing easily, they can swing a lighter thing with even more speed and therefore deadliness

but if you wanna go that route

The real thing, and the buster sword is a huge powerful sword. So... if one has always thought
"Id love to use that"   

one would need the arm power to use it. You could sum this whole post saying  "why use that when you could just use a gun" But the point is  its your dream weapon. , Dream Weapon Not

you need way more than just "arm power" to effectively swing a sword

only people who have no real understanding or experience of the physics of swordbased combat think this way (and if you don't have those things, that's okay--it's why i'm going to the trouble of explaining myself in greater depth)

wrist and forearm strength and flexibility dominate standard "brugh-hagh tough guy" overall arm strength

something like the buster sword barely even qualifies as a sword--its sheer weight alone would crush long before it ever cut (no, i don't care what the fantasy series says, this is a thread and question of real-world people wielding their "dream weapon(s)" so therefore real-world logic must apply, sorry if that bothers you)

can a really strong muscleman lift something really heavy a smaller and "weaker" person might not be able to? yep

can a smaller and "weaker" person outclass the really strong muscleman in actual combat due to their smaller frame coordinating speed and dexterity and flexibility over raw power? you're damn right, and i'm living proof of concept on that note

anyway, on top of wrist/forearm strength, efficient swordplay facilitates good core and leg strength even moreso, because good dexterity in the wrists doesn't mean jack if you don't have the core strength and footwork/balance coordination to support whatever you're doing with your arms

so all in all, cloud being able to wield the buster sword really has absolutely nothing intrinsically to do with his upper arm and shoulder strength to physically lift the thing--even barret could probably lift it, but lifting and wielding are two very different things

cloud's skill with it is a question of his dexterity and core/leg strength (since what do you think act as shock absorbers and energy transferrers when he makes contact with something? that's right, all that kinetic energy is gonna travel through his body and go straight down him into the ground, and being able to manage that shock and not flub up requires more than just big biceps)

we already know he was a reasonably skilled swordsman prior to jenova gene transfer--those additions just upped what he had to eleven and raised the ceiling to which he could rise up to, they didn't just make his biceps stronger and that's it

"lets use a real life weapon, that  is far more practical"

This is not that  hard a concept to grasp?

look at all those swords cloud can use that have same or similar real-world counterparts, and those counterparts have centuries of documented use, practicality, individual physics, and technique (and truth be told i could list way more real-world bladed weapons that have reasonable similarity to the red-boxed ones in cloud's arsenal, but for argument's sake as well as the sake of not bogging the thread with an even MORE massive image, i only need a few obvious ones to illustrate my point)

i don't even have to say "well cloud should just use an oakeshott type XVII or a claymore or a standard european arming sword or a greek xiphos or an egyptian khopesh or a talwar or a chinese dao or a thai krabi," because he has a whole bunch of weapons that are already similar in size and shape to real swords

i don't need to cite a million real weapons to demonstrate that a lighter weapon will do more damage in the hands of someone capable of extreme heavy wielding--FF7 already has a good lot of swords that fit that description

the muramasa and yoshiyuki and hell even the nail bat are all (doubtlessly) a massive weight drop from the buster sword and would actually be capable of clean cutting power due to the sheer weight not overpowering the cutting edge

the same goes for heaven's cloud/butterfly edge/enhance sword/rune blade--their shaping is all pretty reasonable, the only factor that might need adjusting is the length and thickness of the blades themselves in relation to the hilts and guards (a sword doesn't need to be huge and thick to cut effectively--lighter things can be moved more quickly, and quick movements combined with the fact that highly-sharp edges tend to be micrometers thick at the actual cutting edge (the edge you see on a sword isn't actually its true edge--the true edge is so thin it's invisible to the naked eye) add up to even a small light sword being capable of incredible cutting power in the hands of an expert wielder)

imagine, if you will, the strongest man on earth (the REAL earth), and let's assume he can lift telephone pole-sized logs with relative ease

now imagine that same man swinging a four-pound sword with proper technique and edge alignment

the sheer force of power behind the swing will make that light sword capable of tremendous and devastating damage against a given target--a strong person swinging a heavy thing is completely nonsensical in the context of combat (wherein speed and technique, not raw power, determine the victor more often than not), regardless of whether or not it's a final fantasy game and not the real world

cloud has speed, cloud has technique, cloud has raw power

logically speaking in a combat context (and i should mention the FF series kinda RUNS on "how fast can you attack your enemies, can you strike before they do" scenarios on account of the whole ATB thing that's been around since, oh i dunno, the franchise first started), someone who has strength and speed and technique should choose a weapon that best complements their skills--and since we already went over the importance of speed, it seems a no-brainer which option (light or heavy weapon) is the most sensible

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bear in mind i'm not here to cause a ruckus or derail the thread, but i'm not about to be patronized because i gave an honest answer to the thread's question and the OP got upset because it wasn't the kind of answer he wanted

that and i take some enjoyment in discussing these kinds of swordplay technicalities given my immersion in them

all i'm really trying to get at here is that it seems rather hypocritical and unfair to say that i don't "get it" or that i'm somehow not "grasping the concept" because i gave an answer more based out of feasible practicality than pure fan love

Weapon: a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

that question didn't have anything to do with the buster sword thing

what i meant by the quesiton is what is considered "physical"?

the OOE glyphs are magical in nature, but the swords and axes and hammers and the like they spawn are certainly "physical" enough to cause proper kinds of damage--therefore, the question is more "do we not consider the physical glyph weapons "physical" because they are inherently magical in nature and only exist when spawned using that magic?"

[Guy Belmont]

I'm not patronizing you, I just think you're completely wrong for applying the logic of our world to the world of another, very different, fictional universe, where things obviously work very differently. I'm trained in first aid, but I don't look at the healing process in FFVII and get up in arms about the fact that no one's taking Cloud's pulse. Because it's a fictional universe where things happen that could never happen in our world. And what's more, Cloud uses a buster sword for personal reasons that have nothing to do with what would be a more effective sword.

I'm not saying that you don't know what you're talking about, I'm saying that what you're talking about can't necessarily be applied to other fictional universes, and I objected to your reply because it was filled with logic that not only misunderstood the spirit of my post, but was also generally flawed in that Midgar is not our world.

That's why I think it's best if we try to stick to the spirit of the topic, instead of getting side-tracked by specifics that are invalid and irrelevant.

As for weapons, I'm saying it can be magical or physical or whatever you want. As I said in my definition, "a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage". The OOE glyphs can inflict bodily harm or physical damage; therefore, they are a weapon.

[Dracula9]

the thread is about "what's your dream weapon"

meaning what's the weapon/thing one would want ideally

meaning us, real people, living in a world of physics wielding fictional weapons that operate on a different plane of reality and rules

meaning we have the options of considering the real-world rules, or the fictional world rules

meaning our options are "framework of established and referable rules and laws" and "framework of rules and laws that have no referable basis because it's fiction"

meaning, i have fair game to consider these things

get bothered and think i'm "wrong" for daring to post in your thread in a way you don't like, i really couldn't care less

but don't sit there and talk about right and relevant because someone thinks differently than you about a given subject--since that's REALLY all this is

you're upset because i "misunderstood the spirit" of the thread and are making the assumption i think a game world and the real world are identical

i didn't "misunderstand" shit--you're just all bothered i didn't answer the way you wanted

and if someone applying logic and physics and science to fiction equates to "they think the two worlds are identical" in your mind you've got some serious problems with assumptive reasoning to work out

heaven forbid someone have a different way of viewing fictional topic than you and voices those views in a public thread you created for the express purpose of expressing views on fictional topics, right?

I'm trained in first aid, but I don't look at the healing process in FFVII and get up in arms about the fact that no one's taking Cloud's pulse.

are you telling me that you never, even in the slightest way, wondered how the hell all the magic and heal items that can undo death and injury any other time stop working completely due to a spine/stomach impalation purely because the plot demands it? ever? or how a supposedly-dead flower girl sinks in water, something corpses don't do? really? you've never once had these kinds of thoughts?

or are you just changing the rules of the public opinion thread on the internet because my M.O. in answering it isn't to your liking? because that's sure what the impression i'm getting is over here

I'm not patronizing you, I just think you're completely wrong for applying the logic of our world to the world of another, very different, fictional universe, where things obviously work very differently[thinking in a way i don't particularly agree with in this context]

i'm not endorsing genocide or whatever over here dude, acting like this over a difference of opinional value is most definitely patronizing

I just think you're completely wrong

"you're completely wrong because i say so"

I objected to your reply because it was filled with logic that not only misunderstood the spirit of my post, but was also generally flawed in that Midgar is not our world

"you misunderstood what i said because i say so"

"your argument is flawed and thinks fiction and reality actually follow the same rules, because i say so"

That's why I think it's best if we try to stick to the spirit of the topic, instead of getting side-tracked by specifics that are invalid and irrelevant.

"your opinion on fictional weapons in a public thread about the opinions of fictional weapons is invalid and irrelevant because i say so"

...but you're not being patronizing. riiiiiiiiiiight.

truth be told i don't really even understand why this had to be this overblown of an issue anyway--thread asked for opinions, i gave mine, you happen to disagree with it, and that's all fine but there wasn't really any need for all this "you're just wrong and irrelevant" stuff

[Guy Belmont]

You're allowed to answer any way you like, but there was no need to criticise the fact that I had specified that people didn't HAVE to consider the laws of logic -- you were the one who started ranting first, and you're continuing to be needlessly combative. Please can we move on now.

[Dracula9]

i was never intending to criticize your saying people didn't have obligation to answer or think about it like i have

i'll rightly apologize if the delivery gave that impression

it's not an obligation thing or attempt to deviate, that's how i think about this kind of stuff (the first "rant" about the buster sword wasn't entirely serious in delivery--most of it was satirically overblown, but i don't think i've interacted with you on the boards terribly often (unfortunately) and if that's true then i shouldn't have expected my methods of delivering satire and non-serious aspects to be automatically recognized)

as for being combative, you're not wrong, and i'm tempted to make a case against the part about it being "needless"...but this has indeed dragged on longer than it should have

we'll just have to agree to disagree, and i'm fine with that outcome since the disagreement itself was never what was bothering me anyway 

[Guy Belmont]

That's just fine with me, sorry if I misunderstood your style. I'm sure there'll be many posts in future we can both agree on.