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Title: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 10:16:02 AM
You all know the story behind this.

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http://www.thedragonreturns.com/ (http://www.thedragonreturns.com/)

Annnounced at Konami's pre-E3 conference at June 1st 2012.

.........
STORY
Quote
In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, the origin of Dracula and his legendary connection with the Belmonts was revealed. In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, fans can expect thrilling new twists and challenges. In this shocking conclusion to the Lords of Shadow saga, Dracula returns once again, weakened and yearning for release from his immortal bonds. Facing a new and powerful threat, the vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key. However, the famed Belmont clan also seek his ultimate destruction.

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UPDATE 01/06

FIRST TEASER TRAILER
E3 2012: Exclusive Debut Trailer HD - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-castlevania-lords/730750)

Youtube version: Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - Exclusive Debut Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUcUz5Vo6iw#ws)
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Known facts:
- Confirmed Platforms: 360/PS3/PC (Oh my f****g God!)
- 2013 Release
- Mirror of Fate connection
- It probably features skeletons

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Artwork:
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UPDATE 07/12/2012

SCREENS!
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NEW INFO
- Gabr-- ehm, Dra-cool awakes in modern times after being defeated, seeking revenge, however he's a little amnesiac so he must recover his memories AND  his powers. The game takes place both in the past and in the present right after LoS epilogue.

This OP will be constantly updated (And you know you can count on me on this  8) )
Title: Castlevania (Los2) -The Dragon Returns-
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 10:17:01 AM
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Reveal 5-31-12

http://www.thedragonreturns.com/ (http://www.thedragonreturns.com/)
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 10:18:03 AM
It is for the sequel. Check Nagumo's post in the last thread.
Title: Re: Castlevania (Los2) -The Dragon Returns-
Post by: Kingshango on May 24, 2012, 10:18:45 AM
Let me get this out of the way first:
Sisqo - Unleash The Dragon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqm_oM0Q8Dk#)


Ok, Bring on LOS2!
Title: Re: Castlevania (Los2) -The Dragon Returns-
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 10:19:34 AM
Oh dear, two threads.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 10:19:43 AM
It is for the sequel. Check Nagumo's post in the last thread.
While Cox retweeted that, but we don't know anything for sure, do we? I'll update the post if an official confirmation comes of course
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 10:20:27 AM
i like CastleDan's thread better
Title: Re: Castlevania (Los2) -The Dragon Returns-
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 10:21:24 AM
i wonder if there's gonna be a third???
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 10:22:18 AM
i like CastleDan's thread better

Don't mock my thread, it sucks and I didn't realize this one got made. :(

Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 10:22:39 AM
i like CastleDan's thread better
Mine is 1 minute older so bad luck? :P Hahahah

Joke, this is a community thread. We all can participate, if you have something to say tell me and I'll update the post.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 10:24:08 AM
We already have a LoS2 thread...
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 10:24:42 AM
Mine is 1 minute older so bad luck? :P Hahahah

Joke, this is a community thread. We all can participate, if you have something to say tell me and I'll update the post.
Thanks buddy
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 10:24:59 AM
Crazy speculation time already: If MoF is a direct follow up then I'm going to assume Simon will be our lead man in this game.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 10:25:28 AM
I suggest Jorge merge ALL these LoS2 threads babe
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 10:26:49 AM
Crazy speculation time already: If MoF is a direct follow up then I'm going to assume Simon will be our lead man in this game.

Idk about that, I mean simon and trevor are both involved in the handheld one right?...that'd be overkill.

I see Alucard being the lead in one of these two games. It is a non-linear experience ..well according to rumors.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 10:27:25 AM
Crazy speculation time already: If MoF is a direct follow up then I'm going to assume Simon will be our lead man in this game.
And I assume Trevor dies at MoF :(

Now that i think of it.. jeez, my favorite Belmont is becoming playable again and I just realised it!
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 10:28:11 AM
And I assume Trevor dies at MoF :(
Either dies or this is happening when Simon is much older.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 24, 2012, 10:28:56 AM
So is "The Dragon Returns" the subtitle? Or just a teaser/working name for the press conference announcement?
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 10:29:46 AM
So is "The Dragon Returns" the subtitle? Or just a teaser/working name for the press conference announcement?
A teaser, for now, but I wouldn't be surprised if the game title is "Rise of the Dragon" or something like that
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Nagumo on May 24, 2012, 10:31:01 AM
I'm willing to bet it's the title. It sounds like something they would call it.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 24, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
Kinda what I could see happening too. Well at least we FINALLY have some concrete news and can look forward to something instead of all these rumors/speculation.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: knightmere on May 24, 2012, 10:34:01 AM
Looks like screen shots from Lord of the Rings and God of War.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
Looks like screen shots from Lord of the Rings and God of War.
...

what..the...eff?
This actually LOOKS castlevania.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 10:34:58 AM
Hmmm. If it's possible to be called return of the dragon where has Gabriel been all this time?
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
A teaser, for now, but I wouldn't be surprised if the game title is "Rise of the Dragon" or something like that

On May 31st, Bruce Lee is going to come busting through that door.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 10:36:00 AM
Hmmm. If it's possible to be called return of the dragon where has Gabriel been all this time?
Letting his hair grow long enough to look fabulous, of course.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: knightmere on May 24, 2012, 10:36:30 AM
On May 31st, Bruce Lee is going to come busting through that door.

LOL I knew that was coming :D
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
Looks like screen shots from Lord of the Rings and God of War.

Joke's not funny anymore.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 24, 2012, 10:37:54 AM
What are the chances this game has quietly been in production for awhile and we can get a Fall release?
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: jestercolony on May 24, 2012, 10:38:31 AM
LOL I knew that was coming :D

ROFL - I saw that too and honestly just spat my drink all over the floor. :`)
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 10:38:47 AM
Joke's not funny anymore.

I think the comments that angered me the most of all were when people said Gabriel has the same double jump with wings as Kratos......

Um...Symphony of the night anyone? .....came out way before god of war and castlevania was an influence for god of war so...people need to be slapped. Lol
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: knightmere on May 24, 2012, 10:39:27 AM
What are the chances this game has quietly been in production for awhile and we can get a Fall release?

Not likely to release that soon, winter at the earliest but thats probably a longshot.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 10:39:51 AM
What are the chances this game has quietly been in production for awhile and we can get a Fall release?
I wouldn't expect this until next year.

Two Castlevanias in the same year is asking for market cannibalism.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 10:39:59 AM
What are the chances this game has quietly been in production for awhile and we can get a Fall release?
High but not enough. Araujo spill out the beans like what, the week after LoS launch? That would mean that by this fall the game wuold have been 2 years in production, and now with double the people.
However, the creation of a new engine takes time, so I'm not sure. I think the probabilities are in 30% this year, 70% next year.

MoF could launch this year though.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 10:40:11 AM
Letting his hair grow long enough to look fabulous, of course.

Silly;foolish me how could I forget the possibility of that long; dark; black(cause we know a brown haired Dracula would suck)hair waving in the wind.   ;)
Title: Re: Castlevania (Los2) -The Dragon Returns-
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 24, 2012, 10:40:13 AM
I'll just merge this with the other thread.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 10:41:38 AM
Expectations for LoS2 very, very low (almost absolute zero). I didn't like the first one, so I have no real expectation about this game, unlike MoF.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Foffy on May 24, 2012, 10:41:59 AM
Not likely to release that soon, winter at the earliest but thats probably a longshot.

Castlevania games have normally had a nack for coming out the same year they were announced. Of recent games, only Lords I was the exception to this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: knightmere on May 24, 2012, 10:43:19 AM
Castlevania games have normally had a nack for coming out the same year they were announced. Of recent games, only Lords I was the exception to this.

Well games before LoS more or less used the same game engine with mostly the same team intact so of course development time would have been shorter.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: jestercolony on May 24, 2012, 10:46:32 AM
It's going to have a new engine. I remember correctly reading on Cox's twitter awhile back that the engine used in LoS was in fact an old one MS had for some time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 10:47:48 AM
Well games before LoS more or less used the same game engine with mostly the same team intact so of course development time would have been shorter.
But they'll use the same engine in this one, saying they used another one (a new one), just like any big studio does on this market. Of course, things will be smoothed on the engine, or at least they'll try to smooth the framerate and such.
Title: Re: -"The Dragon Returns"- Castlevania Lords of Shadow sequel - Announcement Thread
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 10:48:09 AM
Expectations for LoS2 very, very low (almost absolute zero). I didn't like the first one, so I have no real expectation about this game, unlike MoF.

Complete opposite for me my head is in the sky right now.

I wouldn't expect this until next year.

Two Castlevanias in the same year is asking for market cannibalism.

Maybe not as I can see let's say if the 2d one does really well almost to near a million copies right, and los2 sells well over a million like the first(with the sales combined from all the consoles together) and this first picture really does look promising then bam over to near 2 million copies will be sold. A milestone for cv and a bright future for the series. I think it should be done since one some people will not just accept 3d so might as well make a 2d game and two a high quality 3d game to complement it I think it can only go up from there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 10:50:42 AM
But they'll use the same engine in this one, saying they used another one (a new one), just like any big studio does on this market. Of course, things will be smoothed on the engine, or at least they'll try to smooth the framerate and such.

Or they'll just, you know, use a new engine.

Because companies do that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 10:52:49 AM
someone needs to make a meme for us

new castlevania game announced -> the fanbase goes wild with speculation
screenshots & videos shown throughout the coming months -> fanbase speculation grows with some concern
game released -> fanbase either likes or loves it
game available for several months -> fans begin to point out flaws, heavily criticized, love gradually slips away
game released for a year or more -> fans feel they were "led on," hope the next game turns out better

rinse, repeat
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 10:53:08 AM
Or they'll just, you know, use a new engine.

Because companies do that.

The new ms engine from my understanding is to be everything the last one was, but improved to me that means a better framerate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: knightmere on May 24, 2012, 10:53:20 AM
It's going to have a new engine. I remember correctly reading on Cox's twitter awhile back that the engine used in LoS was in fact an old one MS had for some time.

We know better than to take anything cox says at face value :P



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 10:53:52 AM
someone needs to make a meme for us

new castlevania game announced -> the fanbase goes wild with speculation
screenshots & videos shown throughout the coming months -> fanbase speculation grows with some concern
game released -> fanbase either likes or loves it
game available for several months -> fans begin to point out flaws, heavily criticized, love gradually slips away
game released for a year or more -> fans feel they were "led on," hope the next game turns out better

rinse, repeat

You can honestly apply that to anything too!
Like a band you like and their new cd releasing...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 10:55:36 AM
someone needs to make a meme for us

new castlevania game announced -> the fanbase goes wild with speculation
screenshots & videos shown throughout the coming months -> fanbase speculation grows with some concern
game released -> fanbase either likes or loves it
game available for several months -> fans begin to point out flaws, heavily criticized, love gradually slips away
game released for a year or more -> fans feel they were "led on," hope the next game turns out better

rinse, repeat

I'd argue this applies to anything with a fanbase older than 10 years.

Except for Apple. They're magicians.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 10:56:43 AM
The new ms engine from my understanding is to be everything the last one was, but improved to me that means a better framerate.
Exactly.

That's not what I call new at all. New engines would mean "doing everything from the ground". Companies normally says they do, but the truth is that they don't.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 11:00:09 AM
such is the fate of mortals. i assume some dark force was behind Maria's transformation, but that doesn't matter now
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 11:03:36 AM
Guys what if we search some symbolism in those 2 images?
I can bet that that dragon image was the symbol of Vlad II.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 11:04:36 AM
That image isn't showing up for me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 11:05:26 AM
Exactly.

That's not what I call new at all. New engines would mean "doing everything from the ground". Companies normally says they do, but the truth is that they don't.

Well it's not like we have seen it or anything, but if does every aspect better than their old engine ever could, then I am all game for it. Maybe MS engine V2 or something. I am just happy that it is suppose to blow the old engine out of the water.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 11:09:14 AM
Guys what if we search some symbolism in those 2 images?
I can bet that that dragon image was the symbol of Vlad II.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8166%2F7262769202_ef547cd519_b.jpg&hash=608c6d0db4ca2909ed704fc53cd81098)

Maybe Gabriel will become a tyrannical dictator. It'll help Dracula seem threatening again.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
Well it's not like we have seen it or anything, but if does every aspect better than their old engine ever could, then I am all game for it. Maybe MS engine V2 or something. I am just happy that it is suppose to blow the old engine out of the water.
That's why any type of criticism before we see the actual game running aren't really valid. I want to see the game running without slowdowns before I start praising the engine.

The best part of it was the rendering of the scenarios. Shit was beaultiful as fuck, dat mountain view of the castle...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 11:15:49 AM
The best part of it was the rendering of the scenarios. Shit was beaultiful as fuck, dat mountain view of the castle...
Oh man, that's still one of my favorite moments of the game. LoS was so pretty.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 11:22:24 AM
Yup, the vistas are the best part of LoS. They're on par with the Uncharted series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 11:22:57 AM
I started feeling real gothic CV vibe the moment we entered Crow's pass and all those crows flew outta nowhere, with that tower in the background.

The Fortress areas themselves weren't too bad, but Malphas' Tower was real cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ratty on May 24, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
"Castlevania: The Dragon Returns" I can't be the only one who immediately envisioned a Belmont crossed with Bruce Lee, defeating Dracula with a series of head kicks.
But no seriously it makes a fair amount of sense, Dracula = Son of the Dragon and all that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 11:26:49 AM
I wonder why it's called "The Dragon Returns" when Dracula hasn't officially showed up in the new series yet. Maybe he's the big baddy of Mirror of Fate.

Or maybe it's Konami just saying "yea we know, he wasn't in LoS but for real he's back this time."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 11:27:48 AM
how about

"Castlevania: Dragon Gone Wild"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 11:29:23 AM
I wonder why it's called "The Dragon Returns" when Dracula hasn't officially showed up in the new series yet. Maybe he's the big baddy of Mirror of Fate.
Mirror of Fate will be the 2D game, not related to the LoS series, made by IGA, with low budget. LoS2 will be the same as before, by MS.
You heard it here first.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: knightmere on May 24, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
Mirror of Fate will be the 2D game, not related to the LoS series, made by IGA, with low budget. LoS2 will be the same as before, by MS.
You heard it here first.

Pure speculation
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 11:30:58 AM
Pure speculation
NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 24, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
Mirror of Fate will be the 2D game, not related to the LoS series, made by IGA, with low budget. LoS2 will be the same as before, by MS.
You heard it here first.

If only...

 :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 11:32:55 AM
If only...

 :(
Wouldn't you rather IGA have a high budget?

After what we've heard about MoF, I hope it's in LoS canon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: knightmere on May 24, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
Wouldn't you rather IGA have a high budget?

After what we've heard about MoF, I hope it's in LoS canon.

High budget: yes.

LoS Canon: NO
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 24, 2012, 11:34:28 AM
Wouldn't you rather IGA have a high budget?

As long as it's good I don't care. I don't know how much influence a budget has on the quality of a game anyway.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 11:38:59 AM
Lament of innocence seemed to have a decently sized budget for a PS2 game yet it was still a very lazy effort.

Okay make different locations but within each location just replicate one room and one hallway 90 times!
That was a 3d game though, so maybe it would be different for a 2d one........

I'd like to see the original team that made symphony of the night. I heard it was like 7 people......Now those were hard workers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: knightmere on May 24, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
Lament of innocence seemed to have a decently sized budget for a PS2 game yet it was still a very lazy effort.

Okay make different locations but within each location just replicate one room and one hallway 90 times!

Curse of Darkness certainly followed that design philosophy well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Foffy on May 24, 2012, 11:40:39 AM
Lament of innocence seemed to have a decently sized budget for a PS2 game yet it was still a very lazy effort.

Okay make different locations but within each location just replicate one room and one hallway 90 times!

The sad thing is that approach may have been fun with a little more variety and maybe co-op with friends, as if it were a dungeon crawler. Instead it just crawls..:3c
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 11:43:16 AM
Curse of Darkness certainly followed that design philosophy well.

Lament of innocence was the rinse and repeat but since it was smaller it looked more visually appealing.
Curse of Darkness was bigger rooms and longer hallways rinse and repeat but since the environments weee bigger it was drab.....

I say we are pretty blessed with mercurysteam, with proper direction they could make proper/great 3d castlevania games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 24, 2012, 11:49:56 AM
boobs thats all what i see this picture  :o



Second teaser image yeah looks like the dragon returns : http://cf.badassdigest.com/_uploads/images/13945/Bruce-Lee-vs-Dracula__span.jpg (http://cf.badassdigest.com/_uploads/images/13945/Bruce-Lee-vs-Dracula__span.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: shelverton. on May 24, 2012, 11:50:51 AM
I can't wait a whole week.

Will. Go. Mad.

At least these first two images are pretty dark and evil looking. If this is more open ended in structure, chances are I'm gonna like this game a lot. I wanna explore and find hidden passages that leads to, dunno, a CRYPT or something. And chapels and catacombs and graveyards and clocktowers and underground lakes.

And a torture chamber.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 11:52:03 AM
I got nothing  beneficial to say at the moment. But I felt like typing. I have to type something good ah oh I know

how about

"Castlevania: Dragon Gone Wild"

Ah well if it is what I think it is that one is for the ladies.

What else curse of darkness was  :P

And yeah I am done for now.

Wait... Nagumo has anyone told you have awesome Sonia avatars?  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 24, 2012, 11:53:38 AM
I can't wait a whole week.

Will. Go. Mad.

At least these first two images are pretty dark and evil looking. If this is more open ended in structure, chances are I'm gonna like this game a lot. I wanna explore and find hidden passages that leads to, dunno, a CRYPT or something. And chapels and catacombs and graveyards and clocktowers and underground lakes.

And a torture chamber.

sooooooo excited =o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: cecil-kain on May 24, 2012, 11:57:18 AM
I say we are pretty blessed with mercurysteam, with proper direction they could make proper/great 3d castlevania games.

Mercury Steam's talent is undeniable, the question is how that talent is best applied.  LoS is what it is, and LoS2 could be a fantastic improvement in every way.  I'm actually more curious what a 2-D game from MS would look and play like...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 11:57:36 AM
sooooooo excited =o

If...if...it'snot an alucard leading role game than I will gladly accept an open castle to explore to make up for it.
:D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Sumac on May 24, 2012, 11:58:56 AM
Interesting. I hope they reveal something significant, like the name of the protagonist and maybe some bits of information about the game in general.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: The Silverlord on May 24, 2012, 12:00:27 PM
how about

"Castlevania: Dragon Gone Wild"

Crisis, come on, you can do much better than that.

Why not "Lords of the Rings: The Two Towers?"  Forget medusa heads, you've even got potential Nazgûl flying around, right?  You guys and gals are going to have a field day with this, forget all that 'criticisms before we see the actual game running' bollocks.

Anyway, Paul Gale mentioned on NeoGAF both games are playable at E3, I'm inclined to go with him.

Can't bloody wait.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
If the entire game actually takes place in the castle, I will be absolutely astounded if they can make a game as large and long as LoS. 40+ hours in Dracula's castle sounds crazy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 12:01:55 PM
The LDF are surely crazy about negatives these days... they don't even get a joke.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
If the entire game actually takes place in the castle, I will be absolutely astounded if they can make a game as large and long as LoS. 40+ hours in Dracula's castle sounds crazy.

I mean they technically could. Instead of doing those outdoor levels like in LOS, just substitute them with huge castle sections that you have to unlock by getting an ability SOTN style.

Imagine a huge library location, a huge clocktower...etc..( not like the smaller sized ones in the last game)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 12:05:29 PM
I mean they technically could. Instead of doing those outdoor levels like in LOS, just substitute them with huge castle sections that you have to unlock by getting an ability SOTN style.

Imagine a huge library location, a huge clocktower...etc..( not like the smaller sized ones in the last game)
The artwork suggests multiple builds, like castles, cathedrals... at least that's how I see it. Maybe the game will be on a giant feud.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 12:07:27 PM
If the entire game actually takes place in the castle, I will be absolutely astounded if they can make a game as large and long as LoS. 40+ hours in Dracula's castle sounds crazy.

Does it really need to be that long?

Sometimes too much is bad I would go maybe not that long. Last time I checked los did a lot of repeating with puzzles and 40 plus hours with puzzlemania does not sit well with me.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 12:08:59 PM
Does it really need to be that long?
Of course not, but it's neat to think about. Something around 15-20+ hours would be nice as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Foffy on May 24, 2012, 12:09:05 PM
If the entire game actually takes place in the castle, I will be absolutely astounded if they can make a game as large and long as LoS. 40+ hours in Dracula's castle sounds crazy.

Imagine if the reports about it being like the Batman games like that one MS developer said about the engine. 40+ hours in Wallachia....Jesus.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 24, 2012, 12:10:14 PM
LoS was about 20 hours which is pretty long for a CV game. I think it will be the same with this game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 12:10:25 PM
DLC will make it even longerrrrrrrr
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 12:12:24 PM
LoS was about 20 hours which is pretty long for a CV game. I think it will be the same with this game.
LoS took me over 40 hours to finish. Probably the longest game I have ever played in my lifetime yet.
DLC will make it even longerrrrrrrr
As long as the DLC is just extra stages that don't add any importance to the overall story like LoS did.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 12:15:47 PM
LoS took me over 40 hours to finish. Probably the longest game I have ever played in my lifetime yet.

Ever played any rpgs?

And yeah 15-20 hours sounds perfect not to long/short let's just hope that ms does not repeat puzzles over and over.

I do not have puzzlemania mode  for the most except for zelda, but even then the pace feels right there, LoS not so much.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 12:17:02 PM
Ever played any rpgs?
Not that many. I never really had the patience for most of them.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 24, 2012, 12:17:46 PM
Well, here's to hoping the majority of the game is in the Castle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 24, 2012, 12:19:04 PM
Ever played any rpgs?

And yeah 15-20 hours sounds perfect not to long/short let's just hope that ms does not repeat puzzles over and over.

I do not have puzzlemania mode  for the most except for zelda, but even then the pace feels right there, LoS not so much.


200+ i want ! , just like a boss 8)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 12:19:25 PM
I think it's safe to say more of the game will be in the castle because this game will probably have a clear focus on dracula this time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
Quote
200+ i want ! , just like a boss 8)

then you want a MMO  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 12:21:35 PM
I just want to kick Dracul whiny ass, sell the game and live my life.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: beingthehero on May 24, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
The castle's architecture in the artwork kind of reminds me of the castle artwork for Chronicles, which is pretty ballin'.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on May 24, 2012, 12:21:54 PM
As was said in another thread here, artwork can only mean so much. LoS had some gorgeous production artwork, but the "game" left a lot to be desired. These are some tantalizing visuals, though the second doesn't look much different than some of LoS latter stages. I'm not totally getting the CVIII/CVIV cover artwork feel yet; there's a bit of a moodier Assassin's Creed feel here somehow. In short, I need to see gameplay, and a good deal of it. I was fooled by the first stage of LoS, with the rain and the village. Little did I realize that "one screen" was the entire stage, and I would not be exploring the village as it was under siege. I want to be excited, but I can't yet.

As for this notion of everything needing to be "in the castle," I find that a lessening of Castlevania's potential. LoS went too far, as its "world" didn't compliment the castle in atmosphere or design; however, CV II, III, IV all showed how great it is to explore beyond the castle. It generates a terrific build-up to the battle with Drac.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 12:22:56 PM

200+ i want ! , just like a boss 8)

You know what you be a boss, you be a boss.

On another note I do like puzzles it's just that pacing is important.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 24, 2012, 12:31:03 PM
then you want a MMO  :o

too bad MMOs in saudi are unavailable except Lol and WOW :'(

so i want a veeery verry loong life CV game
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 12:34:15 PM
As was said in another thread here, artwork can only mean so much. LoS had some gorgeous production artwork, but the "game" left a lot to be desired. These are some tantalizing visuals, though the second doesn't look much different than some of LoS latter stages. I'm not totally getting the CVIII/CVIV cover artwork feel yet; there's a bit of a moodier Assassin's Creed feel here somehow. In short, I need to see gameplay, and a good deal of it. I was fooled by the first stage of LoS, with the rain and the village. Little did I realize that "one screen" was the entire stage, and I would not be exploring the village as it was under siege. I want to be excited, but I can't yet.

As for this notion of everything needing to be "in the castle," I find that a lessening of Castlevania's potential. LoS went too far, as its "world" didn't compliment the castle in atmosphere or design; however, CV II, III, IV all showed how great it is to explore beyond the castle. It generates a terrific build-up to the battle with Drac.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fve3dmedia.ign.com%2Fimages%2F05%2F00%2F50028_orig.jpg&hash=d2c77ae118cff6a237cf8728ea2cb77a) IMO
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 24, 2012, 12:37:50 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F&hash=dcec01c33830650eb081a5b3cfd3864b)http://computer.games-4pro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Trine-2-castle.jpg (http://computer.games-4pro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Trine-2-castle.jpg)


well trine 2 always make me want a CVIII remake "

u plays as 3 character , theif , knight and magican and you can see it has a castles , dungeons and crypts has anyone tried this game ? and sometimes the forest levels makes me feel like i'm playing a 2D los so if CV:HOF used the same way of Trine 2 it will be so epic !!

http://www.q8castle.com/vb/images/images_thumbs/549186bac1b804af6a462014d7d934e5.jpg (http://www.q8castle.com/vb/images/images_thumbs/549186bac1b804af6a462014d7d934e5.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Sumac on May 24, 2012, 12:43:29 PM
I hope that game will have some outdoor areas, maybe on Dracula's territory. I don't actually like the idea of the BIG game (20+ hours) set only in the castle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
What we need is a gamestop employee to give us the Deets on what this game releases on!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: cecil-kain on May 24, 2012, 12:54:21 PM
What we need is a gamestop employee to give us the Deets on what this game releases on!!

As a former employee, I can guarantee that Gamestop is just as clueless as we are at this point...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 12:55:07 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F&hash=dcec01c33830650eb081a5b3cfd3864b)http://computer.games-4pro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Trine-2-castle.jpg (http://computer.games-4pro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Trine-2-castle.jpg)


well trine 2 always make me want a CVIII remake "

u plays as 3 character , theif , knight and magican and you can see it has a castles , dungeons and crypts has anyone tried this game ? and sometimes the forest levels makes me feel like i'm playing a 2D los so if CV:HOF used the same way of Trine 2 it will be so epic !!

http://www.q8castle.com/vb/images/images_thumbs/549186bac1b804af6a462014d7d934e5.jpg (http://www.q8castle.com/vb/images/images_thumbs/549186bac1b804af6a462014d7d934e5.jpg)
Yup, it's a good series, but I don't think it resembles castlevania a lot... outside being a sidescroller, like the older titles.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 12:55:20 PM
DAMN.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 24, 2012, 12:57:23 PM
The castle's architecture in the artwork kind of reminds me of the castle artwork for Chronicles, which is pretty ballin'.
The achitecture looks massive. It's kinda how I imagined Dracula's castle to look like. I always(especially SotN), imagined Dracula's Castle to be somewhat like Carmilla's castle in VHD: Bloodlust, basically a massive castle that was the size of a city. That's awesome!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on May 24, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fve3dmedia.ign.com%2Fimages%2F05%2F00%2F50028_orig.jpg&hash=d2c77ae118cff6a237cf8728ea2cb77a) IMO

Oh, I think you  misunderstood. I'm not saying LoS had bad graphics or technical art skill. The graphics/art skill were maybe LoS' biggest sale point, and really shined at points. I'm just saying two things. 1.) While pretty to look at, the gameplay, level design, and camera were too much "on-rails," and overly focused on divergent elements of combo-spamming and forced puzzle and platforming events, versus a more natural flow of 3D action-platforming. This spoiled a lot of what could have otherwise been cool stages. I haven't seen anything yet to prove that's been fixed, which is my greatest concern. 2.) While pretty to look at, LoS did not consistently capture the atmosphere of the Castlevania universe, and these new images, while capturing a certain segment of the universe, do not immediately convince me of the whole art direction. (As an aside, I think the gloss effect is overused a bit in the CG versus the concept art).

I had some amusement from the game, but I share the view of some other people here that it was more like Castlevania: The Game of the Movie. I'm looking for some radical upgrades in LoS2, as I don't think LoS' template got it right. I still say the N64 entries were closer, particularly in terms of the "bare bones" of stage design.

I'm still concerned that Mercury Steam will misinterpret the complaints of the first game as meaning "a full game in the castle with a Castleroid map and more shout outs like Medusa heads" will solve all the shortcomings of LoS1. There was some fundamental stuff that needed to go back to the drawing board if it wants to rise high above the competition. Does anyone know if LoS made any bigger of a splash than, say, Dante's Inferno? To me, Castlevania has all the elements necessary to elevate itself above popular 3D titles like God of War. But it has to be presented confidently as "it's own franchise." If it insists on riding trends, even if the art direction gets better, it will always be considered a second-class franchise in the modern game scene.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
I'm one of the few people that think it did capture the castlevania universe. There was outdoorsy green locations in the older games too. I think it's just weird for people to see stuff like that in a 3d universe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: JR on May 24, 2012, 01:10:22 PM
Interesting. I hope they reveal something significant, like the name of the protagonist and maybe some bits of information about the game in general.

Me too. Hopefully they reveal more info than, say, a 30-second teaser trailer or something.

Konami may have a pre-E3 conference I'm interested in seeing this year after all. Maybe they'll shed some more light on that Contra game, too (if it's not canned).

But man, although LoS2 was a given, it's good to see something official right now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 01:12:15 PM
I'm one of the few people that think it did capture the castlevania universe. There was outdoorsy green locations in the older games too. I think it's just weird for people to see stuff like that in a 3d universe.
Except the outdoors were a lot more spookier than LoS portraited.

I think that most sceneries would be better being played at the night. Uses that big moon + reflections from objects, water... the potential is there. It would be amazing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 24, 2012, 01:34:42 PM
I wouldn't say that at all.

Rondo of blood had some pretty locations in the daytime that weren't moody. imo...

I think it really depends on which game we are talking about, some areas were creepy, some areas were zany ( more recent entries), some were beautiful...etc.

I will admit that Super Castlevania 4 relied mainly on mood though, but i don't think they only took inspiration on that game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
 All this news is incredible, but I do want say this; I want the sells to be equivalent to the heavy hitters like God of war, bayonetta, and all devil may cry.

Do any of you think that Castlevania has what it takes to reach those sale numbers?

I say this because with all this information it seems that konami is really taking an intrest and investment into cv right now. I just want this to happen way more often and most of all for this venture to succeed. I think I said something like this before on other topics, but the sales really need to increase or at least complement the effort given into these games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 02:07:27 PM
I wouldn't say that at all.

Rondo of blood had some pretty locations in the daytime that weren't moody. imo...

I think it really depends on which game we are talking about, some areas were creepy, some areas were zany ( more recent entries), some were beautiful...etc.

I will admit that Super Castlevania 4 relied mainly on mood though, but i don't think they only took inspiration on that game.
Cox said the game was inspired in CV 4.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: whitedragon_nall on May 24, 2012, 02:23:23 PM
Though I'm not the biggest LoS fan, I'm willing to give this a shot. I want to see this series be a huge success and LoS was a step in that direction. Plus, I doubt MS is stupid and will just ignore criticism from those who were disappointed. That poll that appeared a few months ago tells me they want to at least make an attempt at appealing to both sides of the fence.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
All this news is incredible, but I do want say this; I want the sells to be equivalent to the heavy hitters like God of war, bayonetta, and all devil may cry.

Do any of you think that Castlevania has what it takes to reach those sale numbers?

I say this because with all this information it seems that konami is really taking an intrest and investment into cv right now. I just want this to happen way more often and most of all for this venture to succeed. I think I said something like this before on other topics, but the sales really need to increase or at least complement the effort given into these games.

That would be nice. 1,000,000 was a nice benchmark, though
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Hayoam on May 24, 2012, 02:34:48 PM
I don't think it's Los 2
for some reason I think it's Curse of Darkness 2
The Dragon Returns ????????
I don't recall Gabriel being a dragon or had something that look like a dragon
But Hector from COD has a crest on his back with Two dragons white and black
since there are only two Devil Forgemasters I suppose Hector is the white Dragon and Isaac is the Black Dragon
So Hector is Dragon "The Dragon Returns"
So this is Hector return in a new game
This is the Crest http://spa.fotolog.com/photo/42/19/40/darkares_18/1242691435847_f.jpg (http://spa.fotolog.com/photo/42/19/40/darkares_18/1242691435847_f.jpg)
What do you think Curse Of Darkness or Lords Of Shadow

This is what I think  8)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: shelverton. on May 24, 2012, 02:36:11 PM
I don't think it's Los 2
for some reason I think it's Curse of Darkness 2
The Dragon Returns ????????
I don't recall Gabriel being a dragon or had something that look like a dragon
But Hector from COD has a crest on his back with Two dragons white and black
since there are only two Devil Forgemasters I suppose Hector is the white Dragon and Isaac is the Black Dragon
So Hector is Dragon "The Dragon Returns"
So this is Hector return in a new game
This is the Crest http://spa.fotolog.com/photo/42/19/40/darkares_18/1242691435847_f.jpg (http://spa.fotolog.com/photo/42/19/40/darkares_18/1242691435847_f.jpg)
What do you think Curse Of Darkness or Lords Of Shadow

This is what I think  8)

I'm sorry but this is not gonna happen, ever.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 24, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
I expect this game to have mutiple locales, just like LoS did. However if the castle is like the artwork, which is similar to the castle in LoS, I'll be disappointed. I loved the SCALE of the castle, but the way it was laid out, with huge sections all connected by those big chains, it just reminded me too much of Drac's castle in the Van Helsing movie. They were way too similar.

I'd love to see MS give us a massive "classic-style" castle...imagine a CV1/CV3/CV4/SotN/Chronicles1 style castle but done on a mega-huge scale like LoS...that would ROCK!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Hayoam on May 24, 2012, 02:46:13 PM
I'm sorry but this is not gonna happen, ever.


Well maybe I am wrong
but ....
did they confirm it's Los 2
no

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 02:49:47 PM
@Hayoam

The crest you refer to is the Devil Forgemaster symbol (I have it on my keychain, along with the Combat Cross)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Fsecuredownload-13.jpg&hash=8bc7d4341c8e67f517d731d986568c0b)

In LoS' epilogue, Gabriel calls himself "The Dragon" in Romanian (although his name is DRACULA, so I dunno why people keep calling him "Dracul," Cox said he's Dracula & only said that because he was speaking a dif language)

so yeah, it's LoS-2, it's just common sense. They've been teasing it for a while dude.


on another note, I wonder if Europe is gonna get a special package like they did with the God Mask? I don't wanna import it again >_<
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Munchy on May 24, 2012, 02:52:01 PM
You all know the story behind this.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/559484_10151752017840697_220827690696_24089461_1845436072_n.jpg)



Holy crap... dat artwork!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 24, 2012, 02:53:10 PM
Here's my prediction:

Mirror of Fate will split Gabriel's good side from his bad, his good living out the rest of his days as a mortal, and starting the Belmont bloodline.
Gabriel's dark side, just like the three original Lords of Shadow, is what we come to see as "Dracula" or "Vlad" or whatever.

Lords of Shadow 2 will take place sometime after Mirror of Fate, and Trevor and Simon will have some info from grandpappy Gabriel (if he even mentions it). ;)
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 02:53:52 PM
That would be nice. 1,000,000 was a nice benchmark, though

True but I think we all know it can do way better. With a strong presence like commercials, billboard adds, ect; it should do well, but I know one thing will hold this back and that is the would be reviewers, I do not think another Damon Hatfield(IGN) is necessary.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Hayoam on May 24, 2012, 02:58:34 PM
@Hayoam

The crest you refer to is the Devil Forgemaster symbol (I have it on my keychain, along with the Combat Cross)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Fsecuredownload-13.jpg&hash=8bc7d4341c8e67f517d731d986568c0b)

In LoS' epilogue, Gabriel calls himself "The Dragon" in Romanian (although his name is DRACULA, so I dunno why people keep calling him "Dracul," Cox said he's Dracula & only said that because he was speaking a dif language)

so yeah, it's LoS-2, it's just common sense. They've been teasing it for a while dude.


on another note, I wonder if Europe is gonna get a special package like they did with the God Mask? I don't wanna import it again >_<


AWESOME key chain man WOW

anyway I knew about that but I would like to discuss all the possible possibilities
^^  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: shelverton. on May 24, 2012, 03:05:45 PM

Well maybe I am wrong
but ....
did they confirm it's Los 2
no

The problem with a sequel to Curse of Darkness is.. well, that entire timeline is sort of abandoned for the time being. The new timeline with Lords of Shadow can turn into pretty much anything, so there's always a possibility that Hector returns in one form or another. But basing an entire game around Hector and/or Isaac (and have the story follow Curse of Darkness) is not something I see ever happening, at least not as long as Mercury Steam are developing Castlevania games. Heck, even IGA would probably not touch that game again, let alone make a direct sequel.

But yeah, Hector could return someday, but most likely in name only though. Like Cornell, in Lords of Shadow.

EDIT: Maybe Hector and Isaac could return in a Mercury Steam game as some kind of boss duo? That would probably be pretty cool. But I'd rather not see Hector as a hero or a good guy again. Make him EVIL!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 03:20:47 PM
Not to mention Im pretty sure Curse of Darkness had a negative reception.

Gabriel calls himself the Dragon not only the epilogue, but in the DLC stages, in his narrations. He eventually calls himself "The Dragon"
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 24, 2012, 03:27:00 PM
Not to mention Im pretty sure Curse of Darkness had a negative reception.

Gabriel calls himself the Dragon not only the epilogue, but in the DLC stages, in his narrations. He eventually calls himself "The Dragon"

But Cox and the official ingame concept art calls him Dracula...

Care to explain that?
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Post by: Sumac on May 24, 2012, 03:32:46 PM
Quote
I hope that game will have some outdoor areas, maybe on Dracula's territory. I don't actually like the idea of the BIG game (20+ hours) set only in the castle.
I wonder what was so offensive or wrong with this comment to warrant minusing?
Someone was so offended by a mere suggestion of the game to take place somewhere else beside the Castle?  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 03:40:43 PM
But Cox and the official ingame concept art calls him Dracula...

Care to explain that?

but im not referring to that. im referring to the fact that the Dragin returns refers to the new universe.

I mean, the LoS page wouldnt have linked to the oage and changed their banner if it werent.

and it ties into Gabriel calling himself "the Dragon" in the first game and becoming a vampire and eventually Dracul/Dracula (whichever they go with)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 24, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
but im not referring to that. im referring to the fact that the Dragin returns refers to the new universe.

I mean, the LoS page wouldnt have linked to the oage and changed their banner if it werent.

and it ties into Gabriel calling himself "the Dragon" in the first game and becoming a vampire and eventually Dracul/Dracula (whichever they go with)

But my point is that I keep seeing people call him "Dracul" and saying that he is not Dracula when Cox himself and the official ingame concept art says otherwise.

Would you say this is a clear mistake on Cox and his team's part?

Or do you think there is more to it?
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Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 03:48:21 PM
Dunno. Gabe only says it once- in the epilogue- "Eu sunt Dracul"

He could have simply been stating that he is the Dragon, and not calling himself by his name... He could still be named 'Dracula' and not Dracul.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 24, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
Dunno. Gabe only says it once- in the epilogue- "Eu sunt Dracul"

He could have simply been stating that he is the Dragon, and not calling himself by his name... He could still be named 'Dracula' and not Dracul.

Yea that is a possibility.

I just want people to quit saying his is not Dracula and vice versa since as of right now the confusion that is there has not made it clear and it will not be clear until the next game I believe.

Maybe we should just use Dracula/Dracul when referring to him?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Foffy on May 24, 2012, 04:55:05 PM
Perhaps Dracul is being used not to simply reference 'dragon', but Vlad Tepes. Perhaps as his transformation continues, perhaps he becomes what we knew in the old canon as Vlad Tepes Dracula. And even then, there's still a connection with Dracul and another Vlad..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_II_Dracul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_II_Dracul)
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Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2012, 05:21:56 PM
Maybe he's not fully Dracula yet until this game. He could still be in the process of becoming Dracula in MoF, either way, dude needs to hurry up and Dracula already. If he isn't.

...god that's sort of confusing.
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Post by: crisis on May 24, 2012, 05:22:47 PM
Well Foofy, perhaps you are on to something.. perhaps we'll see some concrete info tomorrow, or perhaps the 31st



Family Guy - Perhaps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZD-R6xVk3w#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on May 24, 2012, 06:02:23 PM
All this news is incredible, but I do want say this; I want the sells to be equivalent to the heavy hitters like God of war, bayonetta, and all devil may cry.

Do any of you think that Castlevania has what it takes to reach those sale numbers?

I say this because with all this information it seems that konami is really taking an intrest and investment into cv right now. I just want this to happen way more often and most of all for this venture to succeed. I think I said something like this before on other topics, but the sales really need to increase or at least complement the effort given into these games.

And this is exactly why it's unwise for Castlevania to pattern itself after the popularity of Bayonetta, God of War, Devil May Cry, Uncharted, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. As it is, by and large, it's going to be called a copy-cat or inferior clone. At best, people say, "well, I like that I have another game to play similar to God of War."* But then, that makes it almost exactly the same as something like Dante's Inferno. It's not going to equal or top in sales the series it's emulating if it focuses so much on emulation. Castlevania deserves better and can be better. But it takes guts and imagination to go on a road less traveled. I don't expect LoS to reinvent itself. As it is, it hasn't even taken as many risks as the N64 era to capture Castlevania dynamically and distinctively in 3D. Honestly, LoS has only moved the bar a sliver from where it was with LoI and CoD, and that'd be more apparent if it was running on PS2 instead of PS3, IMO. It's not aiming to knock it out of the park like the N64 titles tried; LoS has been looking to hit in-the-park home runs at best.

I hope for the best, as I really cherish this franchise, and it's cool to see new stuff with promise, but I'm not holding my breath. CoD and LoS were big buzz-kills.

*On the other hand, Castlevania fans say, "well, at least the Castlevania name is on it and it has some shout-outs to a series I historically loved."

...I don't like how they play both sides. It should be: let's make a Castlevania game so incredible it makes the contemporary competition want to copy US!

I expect this game to have mutiple locales, just like LoS did. However if the castle is like the artwork, which is similar to the castle in LoS, I'll be disappointed. I loved the SCALE of the castle, but the way it was laid out, with huge sections all connected by those big chains, it just reminded me too much of Drac's castle in the Van Helsing movie. They were way too similar.

Yeah, there's something about it that not "quite" full-on Castlevania. It's not awful, but it does seem like elements of Van Helsing and Underworld have skewed MS' view of CV...to say nothing of Lord of the Rings. Something's slightly off...
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 06:17:42 PM
And this is exactly why it's unwise for Castlevania to pattern itself after the popularity of Bayonetta, God of War, Devil May Cry, Uncharted, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. As it is, by and large, it's going to be called a copy-cat or inferior clone. At best, people say, "well, I like that I have another game to play similar to God of War."* But then, that makes it almost exactly the same as something like Dante's Inferno. Castlevania deserves better and can be better. But it takes guts and imagination to go on a road less traveled. I don't expect LoS to reinvent itself. As it is, it hasn't even taken as many risks as the N64 era to capture Castlevania dynamically and distinctively in 3D. Honestly, LoS has only moved the bar a sliver from where it was with LoI and CoD, and that'd be more apparent if it was running on PS2 instead of PS3, IMO. It's not aiming to knock it out of the park like the N64 titles tried; LoS has been looking to hit in-the-park home runs at best.

I hope for the best, as I really cherish this franchise, and it's cool to see new stuff with promise, but I'm not holding my breath. CoD and LoS were big buzz-kills.

*On the other hand, Castlevania fans say, "well, at least the Castlevania name is on it and it has some shout-outs to a series I historically loved."

...I don't like how they play both sides. It should be: let's make a Castlevania game so incredible it makes the contemporary competition want to copy US!

Yeah, there's something about it that not "quite" full-on Castlevania. It's not awful, but it does seem like elements of Van Helsing and Underworld have skewed MS' view of CV...to say nothing of Lord of the Rings. Something's slightly off...

Yes be a trend setter, but how can castlevania do this when most of it mechanics are being used by the same franchies we are talking about. If it's fast combat it's a copy of dmc, oh a flaming chain whip it must be a copy of god of war the blades of Athena or something like that, and if we were to have the stopwatch it would be a copy of witch time in bayonetta, what is next simon wares his red outfit from simons quest and it's a rip off of war from darksiders. Anything that castlevania does seem to be a rip off of other, when it sure as hell it's not . If there was a castlevania appreciation movie or something I would want every creator from dmc,gow, and any other action game to have the balls to admit how castlevania affected their game design in one way or an other. I personally feel that cv will never ever get the respect(or sales) it deserves         >:(  That is why I think this really needs to hit home if not they this may be it.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on May 24, 2012, 06:40:36 PM
Yes be a trend setter, but how can castlevania do this when most of it mechanics are being used by the same franchies we are talking about. If it's fast combat it's a copy of dmc, oh a flaming chain whip it must be a copy of god of war the blades of Athena or something like that, and if we were to have the stopwatch it would be a copy of witch time in bayonetta, what is next simon wares his red outfit from simons quest and it's a rip off of war from darksiders. Anything that castlevania does seem to be a rip off of other, when it sure as hell it's not . If there was a castlevania appreciation movie or something I would want every creator from dmc,gow, and any other action game to have the balls to admit how castlevania affected their game design in one way or an other. I personally feel that cv will never ever get the respect(or sales) it deserves         >:(  That is why I think this really needs to hit home if not they this may be it.   

It may be it, sadly. They're giving it a lot of effort, but I'm not sure whether that effort is misguided or not yet. LoS was a real opportunity, but it became more of a "sure, I can fit in the crowds." Cox said during one of his interviews that he always saw God of War as what Castlevania should be like in 3D. While it's true that all the previous series you mentioned have been affected by Castlevania, that doesn't mean Castlevania has to be them in the 3D realm. To do otherwise would be risky, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. The N64 titles showed there is at least one valid way to translate 2D Castlevania into 3D that flies in the face of the superman-combo-centric flings that define modern action games. You have to reinvent "modern action," by slowing it down, IMO. I'm not saying completely ape the N64 era, but use it as the base: full 3D-camera; dynamic/consequential level design that doesn't rely on movie events or QTE; a combat system based more on user-developed strategies than a series of mix-and-match mathematical combos; tight jumping controls that allow for spur-of-the-moment platforming, a balance of combat and puzzles that play off one another.

Cinema-focused, combo-dominated games have over-saturated the market. They're too hand's off, IMO. We have to realize that it's a "game" first and foremost. It makes so much sense for Castlevania to be a franchise that reminds the gaming scene that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 06:43:07 PM
And this is exactly why it's unwise for Castlevania to pattern itself after the popularity of Bayonetta, God of War, Devil May Cry, Uncharted, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. As it is, by and large, it's going to be called a copy-cat or inferior clone. At best, people say, "well, I like that I have another game to play similar to God of War."* But then, that makes it almost exactly the same as something like Dante's Inferno. It's not going to equal or top in sales the series it's emulating if it focuses so much on emulation. Castlevania deserves better and can be better. But it takes guts and imagination to go on a road less traveled. I don't expect LoS to reinvent itself. As it is, it hasn't even taken as many risks as the N64 era to capture Castlevania dynamically and distinctively in 3D. Honestly, LoS has only moved the bar a sliver from where it was with LoI and CoD, and that'd be more apparent if it was running on PS2 instead of PS3, IMO. It's not aiming to knock it out of the park like the N64 titles tried; LoS has been looking to hit in-the-park home runs at best.

I hope for the best, as I really cherish this franchise, and it's cool to see new stuff with promise, but I'm not holding my breath. CoD and LoS were big buzz-kills.

*On the other hand, Castlevania fans say, "well, at least the Castlevania name is on it and it has some shout-outs to a series I historically loved."

...I don't like how they play both sides. It should be: let's make a Castlevania game so incredible it makes the contemporary competition want to copy US!

Yeah, there's something about it that not "quite" full-on Castlevania. It's not awful, but it does seem like elements of Van Helsing and Underworld have skewed MS' view of CV...to say nothing of Lord of the Rings. Something's slightly off...

The two things they did right in LoS were: Visuals and Combat. And even these two have some things that can be made even better.
For visuals, try to inspire themselves in older games. Yeah, try to make monsters more like the ones in the older games. Add more to the bestiary, a lot more.

For combat, it's fast and good. Actually, for being a copy of God of War, I think it's even better than GoW. What I hate in both games is how the extra moves are... pointless... in higher difficults. The monsters always get you if you do a combo bigger than 3 attacks without dodging. And the extra moves get pointless because the monsters resists them. Make some of the monsters weak to an specific  type of attack. That would make the moves better.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: cecil-kain on May 24, 2012, 06:46:42 PM
And this is exactly why it's unwise for Castlevania to pattern itself after the popularity of Bayonetta, God of War, Devil May Cry, Uncharted, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. As it is, by and large, it's going to be called a copy-cat or inferior clone. At best, people say, "well, I like that I have another game to play similar to God of War."* But then, that makes it almost exactly the same as something like Dante's Inferno. It's not going to equal or top in sales the series it's emulating if it focuses so much on emulation. Castlevania deserves better and can be better. But it takes guts and imagination to go on a road less traveled. I don't expect LoS to reinvent itself. As it is, it hasn't even taken as many risks as the N64 era to capture Castlevania dynamically and distinctively in 3D. Honestly, LoS has only moved the bar a sliver from where it was with LoI and CoD, and that'd be more apparent if it was running on PS2 instead of PS3, IMO. It's not aiming to knock it out of the park like the N64 titles tried; LoS has been looking to hit in-the-park home runs at best.

I hope for the best, as I really cherish this franchise, and it's cool to see new stuff with promise, but I'm not holding my breath. CoD and LoS were big buzz-kills.

*On the other hand, Castlevania fans say, "well, at least the Castlevania name is on it and it has some shout-outs to a series I historically loved."

...I don't like how they play both sides. It should be: let's make a Castlevania game so incredible it makes the contemporary competition want to copy US!

Yeah, there's something about it that not "quite" full-on Castlevania. It's not awful, but it does seem like elements of Van Helsing and Underworld have skewed MS' view of CV...to say nothing of Lord of the Rings. Something's slightly off...

Brilliant analysis my friend.  I couldn't have sit it better myself.  :-)

Yes be a trend setter, but how can castlevania do this when most of it mechanics are being used by the same franchies we are talking about. If it's fast combat it's a copy of dmc, oh a flaming chain whip it must be a copy of god of war the blades of Athena or something like that, and if we were to have the stopwatch it would be a copy of witch time in bayonetta, what is next simon wares his red outfit from simons quest and it's a rip off of war from darksiders. Anything that castlevania does seem to be a rip off of other, when it sure as hell it's not . If there was a castlevania appreciation movie or something I would want every creator from dmc,gow, and any other action game to have the balls to admit how castlevania affected their game design in one way or an other. I personally feel that cv will never ever get the respect(or sales) it deserves         >:(  That is why I think this really needs to hit home if not they this may be it.   

QTEs were a big "me-too" element that didn't need to be there.  It's a good example of how the LoS' heavy-handed narrative was a higher priority than real gameplay.  I swear half the game industry needs to quit and just start making movies...
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Post by: RichterB on May 24, 2012, 06:55:48 PM
For combat, it's fast and good. Actually, for being a copy of God of War, I think it's even better than GoW. What I hate in both games is how the extra moves are... pointless... in higher difficults. The monsters always get you if you do a combo bigger than 3 attacks without dodging. And the extra moves get pointless because the monsters resists them. Make some of the monsters weak to an specific  type of attack. That would make the moves better.

Here's the thing about combos--they don't engender platforming (IE: levels with vertical and horizontal depth). They bog you down into arenas too often, and the animation of the combos interferes with standing on, and jumping to and from, narrow ledges. It also reduces the usefulness of sub-weapons.

One way Castlevania 3D can stand out is by going against the grain. You need a basic whip attack, and a defensive whip swirl over your head to hit enemies approaching from different angles in a 3D realm. LoS has something similar to that at its very base, but as soon as you combine things, you get into super-powers. If you want to get fancy, have a "charge whip," where you hold the button and then release it for more damage by cracking the whip. Or, the close-range secondary weapon, like CV64 had, is neat for dealing with enemies that get too close. Whip's have recoil after all, and a whip hit on something 1 foot in front of you won't work in real life. Ultimately, the action is a tool to move forward in Castlevania and counter enemy placement during platforming, not to wail on waves of 100,000-hit point baddies in a flat arena like Smash TV. I'd rather make up my own combos than have pre-set animations dictating them and hindering platforming and overall game design.

Brilliant analysis my friend.  I couldn't have sit it better myself.  :-)

QTEs were a big "me-too" element that didn't need to be there.  It's a good example of how the LoS' heavy-handed narrative was a higher priority than real gameplay.  I swear half the game industry needs to quit and just start making movies...

Thank you. Your last point should be doubly noted. I think the narrative has really taken a hold on this LoS franchise so far. (And the saddest thing is, it's not very compelling). It's It's like MS/Cox thought that was what most needed fixing in Castlevania. And as I likewise noted in one of the posts in-between these, games have too often forgotten to be "games."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vrakanox on May 24, 2012, 06:56:59 PM
If they can somehow alter the gameplay or add a new character to not make it so similar to God of War, I think that would help things. It's okay as an action game but it definitely has too much of a "me too" feel.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 07:01:59 PM
Here's the thing about combos--they don't engender platforming (IE: levels with vertical and horizontal depth). They bog you down into arenas too often, and the animation of the combos interferes with standing on, and jumping to and from, narrow ledges. It also reduces the usefulness of sub-weapons.

One way Castlevania 3D can stand out is by going against the grain. You need a basic whip attack, and a whip swirl over your head to hit enemies approaching from different angles in a 3D realm. LoS has something similar to that at its very base, but as soon as you combine things, you get into super-powers. If you want to get fancy, have a "charge whip," where you hold the button and then release it for more damage by cracking the whip. Or, the close-range secondary weapon, like CV64 had, is neat for dealing with enemies that get too close. Whip's have recoil after all, and a whip hit on something 1 foot in front of you won't work in real life. Ultimately, the action is a tool to move forward in Castlevania and counter enemy placement during platforming, not to wail on waves of 100,000-hit point baddies in a flat arena like Smash TV. I'd rather make up my own combos than have pre-set animations dictating them and hindering platforming and overall game design.
Them the game get's too boring. Just having a basic whipping in 3D doesn't work, at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thomas Belmont on May 24, 2012, 07:06:43 PM
What I don't like, combat wise, is that it takes like 5 minutes to kill even the weakest of enemies.
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Post by: RichterB on May 24, 2012, 07:09:02 PM
Them the game get's too boring. Just having a basic whipping in 3D doesn't work, at all.

Totally but respectfully have to disagree. Castlevania is not about being Ninja Belmont with a gazillion superpowers and martial-arts acrobatics. The action is meant to work in concert with level design. As LoS is, the combat dominates the level design, and you get what's really boring: redundant smack-downs. I put down an alternative that's more than just one whip button, but not overzealous, either. It would also allow for more dynamic platforming that could work with the combat.

What I don't like, combat wise, is that it takes like 5 minutes to kill even the weakest of enemies.

Exactly. And this is a product of an obsession with combos. When you have such combos, it doesn't make sense to have one or two-hit kill enemies. It's why that stuff needs to be pared down immensely.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 07:10:34 PM
What I don't like, combat wise, is that it takes like 5 minutes to kill even the weakest of enemies.

I think the enemies that were what the hell for me were the vampires,big werewolfs, and the skeletons do not get me started on the skeletons.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 24, 2012, 07:18:05 PM
The only monsters I had problems with were the skeletons, the giant spiders and the creeping coffens. Everyone else weren't too bad to take down but I do agree that some enemies had too much health.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 07:38:00 PM
Totally but respectfully have to disagree. Castlevania is not about being Ninja Belmont with a gazillion superpowers and martial-arts acrobatics. The action is meant to work in concert with level design. As LoS is, the combat dominates the level design, and you get what's really boring: redundant smack-downs. I put down an alternative that's more than just one whip button, but not overzealous, either. It would also allow for more dynamic platforming that could work with the combat.

Exactly. And this is a product of an obsession with combos. When you have such combos, it doesn't make sense to have one or two-hit kill enemies. It's why that stuff needs to be pared down immensely.
If they don't take CV64 as inspiration for combat, I'm all in for whatever. CV64 combat is boring as hell. I don't like the games that much anyway, outside of some things it did right.

EDIT: I have a fan. beingthehero perhaps.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on May 24, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
Dunno. Gabe only says it once- in the epilogue- "Eu sunt Dracul"

He could have simply been stating that he is the Dragon, and not calling himself by his name... He could still be named 'Dracula' and not Dracul.

I think we're splitting hairs here. Gabula is obviously supposed to be Dracula. Dracul is just another name for that.


Anyhoo, Its been high noon in my pants since hearing this news. Anyone have a pic of the poster with the wolf that has been mentioned? The facebook posting doesn't show up for me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 07:44:40 PM
If they don't take CV64 as inspiration for combat, I'm all in for whatever. CV64 combat is boring as hell. I don't like the games that much anyway, outside of some things it did right.

I just want platforming is it that hard to do konami? action is good but that is not cv.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 07:47:47 PM
I only ever had an issue with the Skeletons and the Creeping Coffins. Hoooly shit those coffins.

Although, upon re-visiting the Castle sewers, the skeletons were quickly dispatched with an Ultimate Light. :P though the FIRST time I fought them, they were a pain in the ass.

I have yet to replay the Titan Graveyard though... I should... Just to see how the Creeping Coffins hold up to Ultimate Light.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 07:50:01 PM
I only ever had an issue with the Skeletons and the Creeping Coffins. Hoooly shit those coffins.

Although, upon re-visiting the Castle sewers, the skeletons were quickly dispatched with an Ultimate Light. :P though the FIRST time I fought them, they were a pain in the ass.

I have yet to replay the Titan Graveyard though... I should... just to see how the Creeping Coffins hold up to Ultimate Light.

UL and US are the super moves  if holy water can bang them up then UL will super bang them.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 08:06:44 PM
Exactly. And this is a product of an obsession with combos. When you have such combos, it doesn't make sense to have one or two-hit kill enemies. It's why that stuff needs to be pared down immensely.

I'd be in for a combat style where the largest combo is four hits, because not only do long combos strengthen the enemies, but they flatten the level design.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Perhaps he calls himself Dracul, but people call him Dracula because he's the son of the devil in their eyes?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 08:18:12 PM
Yeah. To be honest though, I appreciate the difficulty. Metroidvanias just weren't challenging anymore. They... Really never were, due solely to the level up system and the amount of stuff they throw at you.

Symphony ESPECIALLY is guilty of this. GALAMOTH was harder than Dracula. In fact, all the bosses were pretty easy except for Galamoth. Symphony just gives you SO much stuff, in addition to two self sustains in the form of Dark Metamorphosis and Soul Steal. Soul Steal especially- aside from the regular food and health items you can use.

Perhap's he calls himsel Dracul, but people call him Dracula because he's the son of the devil in their eyes?
That sounds vaguely plausible... Though we'll have to see I guess.

EDIT: Half the fun about the new universe is that you just cant predict anything! It's all an exciting surprise! With the old timeline, you more or less had a formula you could guess on. it was routine by now. But with a fresh start, it's all up in the air!

Im so excited for how the story turns out.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: flyingchai on May 24, 2012, 08:24:44 PM
Perhap's he calls himsel Dracul, but people call him Dracula because he's the son of the devil in their eyes?

Yes. Yes. YES goshdarnit! I specifically asked Cox this on his Twitter a couple of months ago. Once again, here's a copy:
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@CastlevaniaLOS So Dracula calls himself Dracul because in HIS mind he IS The Dragon since he whipped Satan's ass. Did I get that right? ;-D

@gameshowvault - Yes.
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Dracul is Dracula because he thinks he is The Dragon. The people calling him "Dracula" because they believe Satan is as evil as it gets and he's the next worst thing. This comes from Cox himself, he should know.
And please let's not get started with the "Cox is a liar" shit in an effort to add speculation where it's not needed. We have enough of that to go around several times to each person.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 08:26:55 PM
Yeah. To be honest though, I appreciate the difficulty. Metroidvanias just weren't challenging anymore. They... Really never were, due solely to the level up system and the amount of stuff they throw at you.

Symphony ESPECIALLY is guilty of this. GALAMOTH was harder than Dracula. In fact, all the bosses were pretty easy except for Galamoth. Symphony just gives you SO much stuff, in addition to two self sustains in the form of Dark Metamorphosis and Soul Steal. Soul Steal especially- aside from the regular food and health items you can use.
That sounds vaguely plausible... Though we'll have to see I guess.

EDIT: Half the fun about the new universe is that you just cant predict anything! It's all an exciting surprise! With the old timeline, you more or less had a formula you could guess on. it was routine by now. But with a fresh start, it's all up in the air!

Im so excited for how the story turns out.
OoE is hard on Level 1 cap mode and not getting hit. The older titles are where I go looking for difficult, though.

RAMP the difficult, I love hard games that frustates me because I did something wrong.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
Yeah. To be honest though, I appreciate the difficulty. Metroidvanias just weren't challenging anymore. They... Really never were, due solely to the level up system and the amount of stuff they throw at you.

Symphony ESPECIALLY is guilty of this. GALAMOTH was harder than Dracula. In fact, all the bosses were pretty easy except for Galamoth. Symphony just gives you SO much stuff, in addition to two self sustains in the form of Dark Metamorphosis and Soul Steal. Soul Steal especially- aside from the regular food and health items you can use.
That sounds vaguely plausible... Though we'll have to see I guess.

EDIT: Half the fun about the new universe is that you just cant predict anything! It's all an exciting surprise! With the old timeline, you more or less had a formula you could guess on. it was routine by now. But with a fresh start, it's all up in the air!

Im so excited for how the story turns out.


I think jiang shi if that is how you spell it was an odd one for me correct me if I am wrong but that thing never dies right. I remember dieing quite a few times.

Besides your not the only one who is excited for how the story ends  :)

Also I am currently playing SOTN for the ps1 and those special moves are hard to do I wonder if it's me or the controller :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: kingu on May 24, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
these are a lot of pages to read through to check if someone already made a bruce lee joke
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 08:44:56 PM
I remember trying a fist weapon only run of SoTN when I DL'd it on Xbox. Though I tanked quite a few hits and abused the FUCK out of Soul Steal, game was still relatively easy. (Minus Galamoth. Had to cheat a liiiitle bit with him... >_>)
...
Got the Jewel Knuckles early through the secret elevator though I admit...

I recommend it though, it's an incredibly refreshing way to play. Makes you think a bit differently, both defensively and offensively. You can get in multiple hits, and criticals galore, but you also take more hits since you have to get so close.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
I remember trying a fist weapon only run of SoTN when I DL'd it on Xbox. though i tanked quite a few hits and abused the FUCK out of Soul Steal, game was still relatively easy.
...
Got the Jewel Knuckles early through the secret elevator though I admit...

I recommend it though, it's an incredibly refreshing way to play. Makes you think a bit differently, both defensively and offensively. You can get in multiple hits, and criticals galore, but you also take more hits since you have to get so close.

Using the jewel knuckles all ready ever used that elavator platform trick to get that armor and the knuckles early in the game.

edit after rereading this I feel so embarassed  :-[
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
That's what I just said. :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 08:51:11 PM
That's what I just said. :P

I know silly me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: cecil-kain on May 24, 2012, 09:00:08 PM
I'd be in for a combat style where the largest combo is four hits, because not only do long combos strengthen the enemies, but they flatten the level design.

You just highlighted a fatal flaw that the PS2Vanias actually have in common with LoS. The obsession with over-the-top combo attacks *ARE* a higher priority than platforming!  You need to give LoS credit for pushing some platform elements, but if you think about it, all of that platforming was *far* removed from the action --the 2 never really mix...  It's action and platforming, not action-platforming....  I'm a little embarrassed now that i never made that connection myself.   :-[
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 24, 2012, 09:01:34 PM
I'd love a fight with a big monster chasing you, like TFO, if TFO could attack you and you could attack him.
Or something with more enviroment interaction. If you think about it, LoS fights were all in circular areas.
Cox cited technical limitations though. Hope it got better in the new engine  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 09:03:44 PM
I'd love a fight with a big monster chasing you, like TFO, if TFO could attack you and you could attack him.
Or something with more enviroment interaction. If you think about it, LoS fights were all in circular areas.
Cox cited technical limitations though. Hope it got better in the new engine  :)

You know behemoth should say hi to all of us. IN 3D again   ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 24, 2012, 09:14:33 PM
"Dare you face the evil darkness? It is written that the creatures behind that door will return very soon to claim the souls of your loved ones, and send you straight to hell! Be aware!"

Am I the only one who reads this in Patrick Stewart's voice, I just think of Zobek when I read it
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 24, 2012, 09:17:56 PM
You know behemoth should say hi to all of us. IN 3D again   ;D
That would be awesome, actually. Especially seeing a half dismembered bull-like creature with rotted entrails hanging out. PLEASE do this!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2012, 09:31:56 PM
You know behemoth should say hi to all of us. IN 3D again   ;D
in THREEEEE DEEEEEEEE!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 24, 2012, 09:37:31 PM
Just out of question do you guys and gals think that it's possible if we pestered cox and konami to put in konami boss as dlc when the games are shown afterward?


Edit

That would be awesome, actually. Especially seeing a half dismembered bull-like creature with rotted entrails hanging out. PLEASE do this!


in THREEEEE DEEEEEEEE!

Hell yes in THREEEEEEEEEEE DEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on May 24, 2012, 11:08:18 PM
You just highlighted a fatal flaw that the PS2Vanias actually have in common with LoS. The obsession with over-the-top combo attacks *ARE* a higher priority than platforming!  You need to give LoS credit for pushing some platform elements, but if you think about it, all of that platforming was *far* removed from the action --the 2 never really mix...  It's action and platforming, not action-platforming....  I'm a little embarrassed now that i never made that connection myself.   :-[

Hence why I've pointed out CV64/LoD. Despite all the shortcomings, they pulled off action-platforming in 3D. CV64 Level 2 is the perfect example. That tower climb includes: crumbling stairs, floating platforms, rotating spike platforms, and falling guillotines, which are complimentary guarded by Medusa heads and bone pillars. This requires you to jump and whip, and stop on a dime, etc. That is one of LoS' biggest issues, and it comes from a combination of the combos, the character animation that the combos initiate, the poor/jerky jumping controls, and the stratified level designs that have platforming events that are really more "climbing/rappelling" than "jumping."

I'm not trying to outright hate on LoS by any means. It's an all right game in its own right with nice production values. But it's under the pressure of reviving Castlevania, and it has fundamental leaps and bounds to go if it's going to do it.

That would be awesome, actually. Especially seeing a half dismembered bull-like creature with rotted entrails hanging out. PLEASE do this!

Technically speaking, Behemoth was done in 3D in CV64's Castle Center. You whipped him apart piece by piece in a large space where he could chase you down, among other tactics.

Dracul is Dracula because he thinks he is The Dragon...

Aren't we falling into a trap here? I think we're getting way too concerned with the "story" rather than the "game." I hope MS is not having the same thing happen to them. The story shouldn't have to cover for the game. I don't expect Shakespeare, and LoS gave me nothing to believe we'll be getting it going forward, either. (The story of LoS kept me moving forward through a lot of iffy level designs expecting it to evolve into something, but it ultimately was too disjointed and heavy-handed, going for shock value and forced emotions. It was red herrings strung together on a frayed line of twine).

The most important thing here going forward is that it's Good vs. Dracula. Let the story tell itself from there. Minimalist storytelling sometimes works best. I hate to go back to it, as I don't mean to overdo it, but CV64's use of Rosa--where you meet her in the flower garden and later when she's trying to walk into the light--that's pretty powerful stuff without interrupting the game much and/or having continuous narration by Patrick Stewart, etc.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Francis on May 24, 2012, 11:29:30 PM
someone know the hour of the E3 pre-conference?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 24, 2012, 11:54:22 PM
So. what old monsters do you hope to see in LoS 2?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: PFG9000 on May 25, 2012, 12:00:03 AM
Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 25, 2012, 12:04:01 AM
Dracula.
Besides him, of course. He's a given...


...right?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 25, 2012, 12:04:41 AM
Medusa Heads, Death, Max Slimer, Hunchback Humper Dude
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 25, 2012, 12:10:26 AM
I want to see Legion.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thr
Post by: Kingshango on May 25, 2012, 12:23:50 AM
I think we're gonna get most of the returning monsters (aside from ogre's, trolls and other monsters that were described to be on the brink of extinction) and some new ones.

Oh and Legion, he would look freaky as hell in the LOS universe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on May 25, 2012, 12:39:21 AM
Legion will probably be locked away in some old part of the castle.

I'm hoping we get to the the sleeping Leviathan mentioned in the first DLC.

And once again, can anyone repost a pic of the teaser poster with the wolf? Please.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on May 25, 2012, 01:12:49 AM
Medusa Heads, Death, Max Slimer, Hunchback Humper Dude

I'm hoping Max Slimer is a joke.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 25, 2012, 01:17:10 AM
So. what old monsters do you hope to see in LoS 2?
Bone Pillars would be cool. Even if they are interpreted in a new way(like, some kind of sculpture made out of different bones, holding the dragon skull in a sorta Sedlec Ossuary-esque fashion).

I'd definately would love to see Medusa Heads and Fleamen appear. Generally, I'd love to see more armor-types(Final Guards, Axe-chuckin Axe Armors).

I'd also love to see bats return, and maybe more human looking vampires(less bat hybrids).

As for bosses, please, Slogra and Gaibon... FOR REAL. No statues. Use the designs showed on Twitter all that time ago. Slogra was near perfect(really kept his basic look damn well). I'd like to see re-imagined take on the classic four(Phantom Bat, Medusa, Mummy Man/Akmodan, and Frankenstein's Monster), and am curious how cool a HD version of Legion can be(considering CoD's version was a letdown to look at, and if anybody could deliver one cool looking ball of bodies, it's MS). 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thr
Post by: Kingshango on May 25, 2012, 01:32:56 AM
If they can't get monsters like Medusa heads, mummy men or bone pillars as regular enemies, I wouldn't mind if they were to appear as bosses at least. Just as long as they show up it doesn't matter how as long as I can fight them.

And Slogra HAS to show up as a enemy this time, no excuses. They have the design and they kept it true to the original look yet it only appears as a corpse in the epilogue, that was a waste of a good model.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ring_of_Varda on May 25, 2012, 07:01:39 AM
more rumors!  ;D

not really sure if direct linking is allowed. Allegedly this is from a trailer that will be shown next thursday. Hold on to your butts!
>dat castle
>dat Simon Belmont
>dat Slogra and Gaibon
>dat symphonic Vampire Killer

and a bit of an explanation as to what the trailer is.
"It's definitely for real this time. This is the breakdown of the trailer:

Starts with a hooded man holding a baby and walking through the rain. He looks around (it's Patrick Stewart's character from the previous game) and leaves it on the doorstep of a small house, then leaves. Next to it he leaves an object wrapped in cloth.

Continues with "24 years later..." with a moon and a wolf howling and pans down to show the village in the pitch dark. Cuts between shots of frightened villagers hiding in their houses while orc-like creatures creep around.
     Voice over starts with a guy talking about how a darkness stalks the land or something dramatic like that, and then shows a guy bounding around the houses in the darkness. A blonde villager emerges from the shadows and creeps around in a stable, watching the creatures. He knocks something over, and one of them breaks off to investigate. Blonde dude in the stable looks at the thing he knocked over and picks it up. It's a whip.

He leaps out of the stable and charges at the creature, tackles it then breaks its neck, but not before it shrieks and calls out to the other three or four. He gets grazed by an arrow and nearly chopped up by the other, but takes them out by tripping the archer with a whip and throwing a knife at another. Cuts up the others with a dagger and then sits there with their blood all over him. After a while some villagers emerge from their houses and look on. A woman emerges from the house the baby was left at, and they nod to each other. He drops the whip and walks to his home, while some other villagers close in on the bodies with torches.

    Voice over continues, talking about how these attacks happen every night and only get worse. He feels that they're searching for something, maybe him. Proceeds to show the woman walking through the forest in the daytime with her hood up, and takes out an object wrapped in cloth beneath some rocks in some tree roots. She unwraps it and flips through a tome. It shows images of the Lords of Shadow from the previous game, Gabriel destroying the whip, and on the last page a child with the text "Simon Belmont -- Son of the Dragon." She flips past that and in the back of the book is a recess with a whip, beneath which is written "Vampire Killer." She says "The time has come," closes the book, and leaves.

Finally cuts to a bunch of gameplay shots. Simon fighting in the forest, a cave, Slogra and Gaibon in a cathedral, then shows him standing in front of the doors from the OP pic with the whip drawn, in a style reminiscent of the first Castlevania artwork. Symphony Vampire Killer music starts up and shows Gabriel/Dracula on a throne, waking up, then zooms into his eye and says "CASTLEVANIA -- THE DRAGON RETURNS -- 2013." "

there it is, and dont break out the pitchforks and tar and feathers if this turns out to be B.S

-Edit- sorry through all of my excitement i forgot to mention that this info is coming from our favorite imageboard, same with a majority of the other leaks so take it as you will.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 25, 2012, 07:09:05 AM
HOLY SHIT DO WANT

You know what? I guess MS and Cox listened to our prayers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 25, 2012, 07:12:51 AM
And where is that description copypasted from?
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 25, 2012, 07:16:40 AM
And wait... "Simon Belmont, son of the Dragon"? Simon would be Dracula then!  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Foffy on May 25, 2012, 07:19:29 AM
And wait... "Simon Belmont, son of the Dragon"? Simon would be Dracula then!  :o

Alucard, maybe? :3c
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 25, 2012, 07:25:48 AM
Hey guy's what goin on around he..*see's all the rumors*

YES!
SI!
BUENO!
YA!
DA!
JA!
HAI!
SIM!
LE!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 25, 2012, 07:27:12 AM
Maybe they'll merge some more characters.

Can't wait for the combination of Slogra and Succubus. A sexy prehistoric duck monster.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 25, 2012, 07:32:43 AM
hnnnnng dat description.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kamirine on May 25, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
  :o So Simon is now Alucard essentially, if this rumor proves to be true? I...oddly am not as miffed at the idea as I thought I would be. Don't get me wrong, I'm taken aback by the implications but the possibilities could prove to be interesting if done right. I--dare I say--am interested in the thought of the Belmonts taking out their own 'problem'. Maybe it's in an effort to keep Gabe's soul in check/keep it from being too corrupted until this battle with Satan in the future?

IDK. LOL
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 25, 2012, 07:53:19 AM
Sounds very plausible. So it seems that rumor about Trevor and Alucard showing up is false too. I'm glad about that since I wasn't really looking forward to those characters being reimagined.

Hah, I wonder if this Simon = Dracula's son thing is going to have the same backlash as Sonia's baby being Dracula's grandchild.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: MKKhanzo on May 25, 2012, 07:54:46 AM
I wonder if they are going to follow the ending of LoS1 in any of the games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ring_of_Varda on May 25, 2012, 07:56:18 AM
Sounds very plausible. So it seems that rumor about Trevor and Alucard showing up is false too. I'm glad about that since I wasn't really looking forward to those characters being reimagined.

Hah, I wonder if this Simon = Dracula's son thing is going to have the same backlash as Sonia's baby being Dracula's grandchild.

dont count anything out quite yet, considering there are allegedly 2 games in the works we can have all kinds of things blow our pretty little minds. Only a a week left to find out.

-Edit- also, funny little sidenote. They took out the Clos2 text in the web pages source code. now its all The Dragon Returns.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 25, 2012, 07:58:56 AM
Yes, of course...

It would be a very good idea for them to combine the character of Simon and Alucard, though. That would seem a bit less convulted to me and allows for complete focus on the Belmont family. Something that would make a lot of people happy I'd imagine. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 07:59:17 AM
Sounds like Simon is either "Alucard" or a Dhampir.

If the Trevor rumors are true, perhaps the hooded man who dropped off baby Simon was Trevor after the events of MoF.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: VladCT on May 25, 2012, 08:00:31 AM
So who the heck did Gabey get laid with in the first place?
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 08:01:38 AM
So who the heck did Gabey get laid with in the first place?
What if Maria had a baby and she never got the chance to tell Gabriel because he was possessed to kill her?
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 08:02:09 AM
I wouldn't have a problem with the Simon/Alucard mixing process but when I think of Alucard I think of a vampiric looking guy with a sword, shield, and vampire like powers.

I'm cool with a whip but I hope there's more variety in this, if the above is true.
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Post by: A-Yty on May 25, 2012, 08:02:24 AM
If Trevor and Alucard being there was just a rumour, what makes this more plausible?
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Post by: Nagumo on May 25, 2012, 08:02:57 AM
If the Trevor rumors are true, perhaps the hooded man who dropped off baby Simon was Trevor after the events of MoF.

It was Zobek, actually.

I also noted a little reference: LoS Simon is 24 years old, and IGA Simon was 24 during NES Castlevania/Chronicles.   
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 08:06:17 AM
It was Zobek, actually.
....WHAAAAAAAT

Then, who the heck is in Mirror of Fate?
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 08:07:04 AM
If Trevor and Alucard being there was just a rumour, what makes this more plausible?

Technically on the site they said it was a Trevor and Simon combo for the 3ds game.

It makes you wonder though.....Is that wolf picture actually for Los2 and it's simon's wolf form?....hmmm
Or maybe the first rumor is true and alucard is playable in the sidescrolling adventure.

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Post by: flyingchai on May 25, 2012, 08:07:49 AM
It was Zobek, actually.

The equivalent of "The Poltergeist King" in the old canon.....?

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Post by: Chernabogue on May 25, 2012, 08:08:44 AM
So who the heck did Gabey get laid with in the first place?
IGA.

The equivalent of "The Poltergeist King" in the old canon.....?
Actually, rather Death.
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 08:11:30 AM
It makes you wonder though.....Is that wolf picture actually for Los2 and it's simon's wolf form?
That's what I'm thinking now.

Damn the more rumors we get the crazier this new canon sounds.
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Post by: VladCT on May 25, 2012, 08:12:03 AM
What if Maria had a baby and she never got the chance to tell Gabriel because he was possessed to kill her?
From the rumored trailer description it was implied that Simon was conceived sometime after Gabriel became Dracul/a, so I don't think that's true.
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Post by: Nagumo on May 25, 2012, 08:12:41 AM
You know, it could always be just a random wolf purely thrown in for aesthetic reasons. Wolfs have a strong connenction to vampires. 
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 08:13:35 AM
From the rumored trailer description it was implied that Simon was conceived sometime after Gabriel became Dracul(a), so I don't think that's true.

Simon= Alucard confirmed.

Don't know how I feel about Alucard ( half vampire) using a whip...

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Post by: VladCT on May 25, 2012, 08:16:55 AM
You know, it could always be just a random wolf purely thrown in for aesthetic reasons. Wolfs have a strong connenction to vampires.
Considering how many times Cox has misled us, this might be true.
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Post by: MKKhanzo on May 25, 2012, 08:17:55 AM
You know, it could always be just a random wolf purely thrown in for aesthetic reasons. Wolfs have a strong connenction to vampires.

Where is that image??  ;D
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Post by: A-Yty on May 25, 2012, 08:18:59 AM
Cronqvist Dracula and Belmonts were merged to make a Belmont Dracul.
Gabriel "I can't live" Dracul sired a kid who is now AluSimon Dracula.
Max Slimer and a bunch of Flea Men got it on and created Slimy Humpers.
Medusa Heads mated with Killer Fish and..
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 25, 2012, 08:20:33 AM
wait a minute Simon=Alucard... Who knows heck Alucard might be Simons brother for all we know if I am reading this all right. (just woke up like a couple of minutes ago)
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 08:21:27 AM
Cronqvist Dracula and Belmonts were merged to make a Belmont Dracul.
Gabriel "I can't live" Dracul sired a kid who is now AluSimon Dracula.
Max Slimer and a bunch of Flea Men got it on and created Slimy Humpers.
Medusa Heads mated with Killer Fish and..

In a perfect world all of that would happen for comedic purposes.
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Post by: Nagumo on May 25, 2012, 08:22:50 AM
Uh, I hope they don't do something lame like making Alucard Simon's evil brother or something like that.
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Post by: A-Yty on May 25, 2012, 08:24:32 AM
How would that be worse than having Simon play Alucard's role too?
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 25, 2012, 08:25:28 AM
Uh, I hope they don't do something lame like making Alucard Simon's evil brother or something like that.

Look at the plus side Nagumo. If this were true we get to punch Alucard in the face  :D
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
Uh, I hope they don't do something lame like making Alucard Simon's evil brother or something like that.
I don't think they'll do something like that, but I still believe Alucard is involved in some way in the 3DS game.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 08:30:18 AM
I don't think they'll do something like that, but I still believe Alucard is involved in some way in the 3DS game.

It better be in a playable way. It's weird posting in a hardcore castlevania forum because i literally feel like I'm the only one who prefers sotn's style of gameplay.

It just has way more replay value to me, the 4th time playing sotn i was getting swords I never got before, the same can't be said with a game where you have the same weapon the whole game. I loved the customization, i think it could benefit the series a lot. No one said you can't join the hardcore gameplay with the variety of new. It confuses me why they don't embrace both.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 25, 2012, 08:31:57 AM
What if.......what if Mirror of Fate took place after Lords of Shadow 2 and that the Alucard you meet in the castle is actually Simon centuries years old?


Gahh my brain hurtin now.
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 08:33:38 AM
What if.......what if Mirror of Fate took place after Lords of Shadow 2 and that the Alucard you meet in the castle is actually Simon centuries years old?


Gahh my brain hurtin now.
I do not like that idea at all. :(
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 25, 2012, 08:37:31 AM
I do not like that idea at all. :(

Simon=Simon, Alucard=Alucard. Putting them together would actually be something I would be very against. With ya on this one OSM
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 08:38:54 AM
Simon=Simon, Alucard=Alucard. Putting them together would actually be something I would be very against. With ya on this one OSM

Especially because they were both very different, it would be doing both a great disservice by not just making them separate characters.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 25, 2012, 08:43:19 AM
Especially because they were both very different, it would be doing both a great disservice by not just making them separate characters.

True. Just out of question has anyone played rayman orgins for the 3ds?
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Post by: Ring_of_Varda on May 25, 2012, 08:45:43 AM
i got a couple of smaller rumors.

>Final boss is Dracula
>More than 1/5 of the game takes place in a castle

man, i dont think i have had this much fun with rumor or speculation since Portrait.
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
i got a couple of smaller rumors.

>Final boss is Dracula
>More than 1/5 of the game takes place in a castle

man, i dont think i have had this much fun with rumor or speculation since Portrait.
Those weren't rumors, that was just someone hoping for all of that.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 25, 2012, 08:47:58 AM
Especially because they were both very different, it would be doing both a great disservice by not just making them separate characters.

What I've come to learn from Mercurysteam's take on Castlevania is that "if a Belmont can end up being Dracula, then anything can happen, nothing is impossible and if you think it's a bad idea, they'll use it."

I fully expect Simon to become know as "Alucard" after it's all said and done.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 25, 2012, 08:48:25 AM
i got a couple of smaller rumors.

>Final boss is Dracula
>More than 1/5 of the game takes place in a castle

man, i dont think i have had this much fun with rumor or speculation since Portrait.

If this is all true nobody, and I mean nobody should wine about this, if they do belmont help them.
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Post by: Ring_of_Varda on May 25, 2012, 08:54:14 AM
Those weren't rumors, that was just someone hoping for all of that.

you could very well be right, i was just commenting on it because it was posted in the same manner as the OP

there was no references in it other than those sentences. I took it as the same poster because of this one.

"Suit yourself. Got me hyped.

>dat castle
>dat Simon Belmont
>dat Slogra and Gaibon
>dat symphonic Vampire Killer"
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 08:54:27 AM
Wait.

"The Dragon Returns."

The Son of the Dragon returning to his birth place.

The whole subtitle is about Simon, not Dracula.
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Post by: Kamirine on May 25, 2012, 09:02:25 AM
Wait.

"The Dragon Returns."

The Son of the Dragon returning to his birth place.

The whole subtitle is about Simon, not Dracula.
Damn, beat me to it, lol! Though now I wonder...where does (if he does) Trevor fit in?
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 25, 2012, 09:03:15 AM
Damn, beat me to it, lol! Though now I wonder...where does (if he does) Trevor fit in?

What if there is no Trevor at all.
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 09:09:53 AM
Trevor is still a possibility.

The original "leaker" never specifically told me that Simon was playable in Mirror of Fate, he only mentioned that Trevor and Simon were father and son. Later leaks said both Belmonts would be playable, but I don't believe that. I think what may have happened is that people got both games mixed up because they're supposed to share marketing, and that also could mean that a WiiU version of The Dragon Returns does indeed exist.

Why else would Simon possibly be on the cover of Nintendo Power?
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 25, 2012, 09:35:00 AM
My two cents: I don't agree with the idea of Alusimon. As you've said, they are too different, there's no way around that.
A more elegant solution IMO would be that Alucard and Simon are twins separated by the kind of magic that created the LoS, with gabriel keeping Alucard (Adrian?) and Zobek keeping Simon (Silent Hill anyone?) It's not ideal, but a little more appropiate.

Right now I'm more worried about Trevor. I want him NOW hahah.

Oh, and if you ask me, I DON'T believe that trailer description. Too many Deus Ex Machinas.

Still, this week will be AGONY :P
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Post by: Wallachia on May 25, 2012, 09:45:36 AM
Ready to read a RUMOR trailer description that will blow your mind??

SPOILERS--

Starts with a hooded man holding a baby and walking through the rain. He looks around and leaves it on the doorstep of a small house, then leaves. Next to it he leaves an object wrapped in cloth.

Continues with "24 years later..." with a moon and a wolf howling and pans down to show the village in the pitch dark. Cuts between shots of frightened villagers hiding in their houses while orc-like creatures creep around.

Voice over starts with a guy talking about how a darkness stalks the land or something dramatic like that, and then shows a guy bounding around the houses in the darkness. A blonde villager emerges from the shadows and creeps around in a stable, watching the creatures. He knocks something over, and one of them breaks off to investigate. Blonde dude in the stable looks at the thing he knocked over and picks it up. It's a whip.

He leaps out of the stable and charges at the creature, tackles it then breaks its neck, but not before it shrieks and calls out to the other three or four. He gets grazed by an arrow and nearly chopped up by the other, but takes them out by tripping the archer with a whip and throwing a knife at another. Cuts up the others with a dagger and then sits there with their blood all over him. After a while some villagers emerge from their houses and look on. A woman emerges from the house the baby was left at, and they nod to each other. He drops the whip and walks to his home, while some other villagers close in on the bodies with torches.

Voice over continues, talking about how these attacks happen every night and only get worse. He feels that they're searching for something, maybe him. Proceeds to show the woman walking through the forest in the daytime with her hood up, and takes out an object wrapped in cloth beneath some rocks in some tree roots. She unwraps it and flips through a tome. It shows images of the Lords of Shadow from the previous game, Gabriel destroying the whip, and on the last page a child with the text "Simon Belmont -- Son of the Dragon." She flips past that and in the back of the book is a recess with a whip, beneath which is written "Vampire Killer." She says "The time has come," closes the book, and leaves.

Finally cuts to a bunch of gameplay shots. Simon fighting in the forest, a cave, Slogra and Gaibon in a cathedral, then shows him standing in front of the doors from the OP pic with the whip drawn, in a style reminiscent of the first Castlevania artwork. Symphony Vampire Killer music starts up and shows Gabriel/Dracula on a throne, waking up, then zooms into his eye and says "CASTLEVANIA -- THE DRAGON RETURNS -- 2013.
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Post by: flyingchai on May 25, 2012, 09:49:07 AM
Darn, I thought it would be a different rumoured trailer. That's the same thing Ring_of_Varda posted on page 13.  ;)
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 25, 2012, 09:50:42 AM
Two pages late, man, :P but thank you, join our discussion!
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Post by: Kamirine on May 25, 2012, 09:52:26 AM
What if there is no Trevor at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s#)
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 25, 2012, 09:52:34 AM
Chai and Ava beat me to it don't you hate it when that happens?  :rollseyes:
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Post by: flyingchai on May 25, 2012, 09:54:31 AM
Chai and Ava beat me to it don't you hate it when that happens?  :rollseyes:

That's what happens when you have a hoard of people hitting the refresh button every 30 seconds to see new posts. Hehe. I really should be getting back to work.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 25, 2012, 09:59:34 AM
That's what happens when you have a hoard of people hitting the refresh button every 30 seconds to see new posts. Hehe.

I know I do this  ;D

For some reason I was watching this and I wondered a cv tralier should be like this.

Onimusha 2 Opening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgWHhYM0p1U#ws)

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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 10:10:05 AM
I had a thought.

Perhaps Simon's revelation could be like this canon's curse that Dracula put on Simon and Wallachia at the end of Castlevania 1, and then he finds a way to rid himself of his "curse," being "Alucard."

It would be just like putting Castlevania 1 and Simon's Quest plotline in the same game.
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Post by: Flame on May 25, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
I think we are putting too much stock in something occuring like what made the LoS.

what if Gabe raises Alucard but Zobek steals away Simon? then you can have a CV3 like moment where you are initiallu enemies, but later Alucard sees that Simon is right in his quest.

OR, if we go with trevor alucard, it works even better
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Post by: uzo on May 25, 2012, 10:29:59 AM
Oh, and if you ask me, I DON'T believe that trailer description. Too many Deus Ex Machinas.

And LoS was known for its glorious well written plot? It's totally believable.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on May 25, 2012, 10:35:44 AM
Love the look of the castle :o

Now, about dat trailer description...if true, I'm stoked. Thus far, it sounds like perhaps Maria and Gabe did indeed have a child before she died. Granted, it's odd that Gabe never mentioned it, but then who's to say he was a good father. Perhaps he just figured that even if he didn't complete his quest, the Brotherhood would raise him. Whatever the case, I don't believe that Simon is half vampire, but it's possible that he may become one by the end of the game.
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Post by: MKKhanzo on May 25, 2012, 10:43:27 AM
And LoS was known for its glorious well written plot? It's totally believable.

This.

Also I hope they stick better to source material. I didnt liked the "Cox-Michael Bay-like" interpretation for Cornell, Lord Olrox, Brauner or even the Frankenstein monster. (an spider robot with a baby head??)

If they are doing fan service,pleasedo it well.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 25, 2012, 10:48:51 AM
The leak guy supposedly Debunked the trailer description on 4chan
So yeah!
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Post by: MKKhanzo on May 25, 2012, 10:53:21 AM
Love the look of the castle :o

Now, about dat trailer description...if true, I'm stoked. Thus far, it sounds like perhaps Maria and Gabe did indeed have a child before she died. Granted, it's odd that Gabe never mentioned it, but then who's to say he was a good father. Perhaps he just figured that even if he didn't complete his quest, the Brotherhood would raise him. Whatever the case, I don't believe that Simon is half vampire, but it's possible that he may become one by the end of the game.

IMO Simon should NOT be a Vampire.
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Post by: Flame on May 25, 2012, 10:54:45 AM
I liked the Mechanical Monstrosity. I felt it definitely fit the bill as well, a mechanical monstrosity.
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 10:56:22 AM
The leak guy supposedly Debunked the trailer description on 4chan
So yeah!
I was just about to post about that.

I'm just going to assume we don't know shit about both games, this is getting annoying. He also said Nintendo Power should be out now with the real info, but I don't know if I believe that either.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 25, 2012, 10:59:33 AM
I was just about to post about that.

I'm just going to assume we don't know shit about both games, this is getting annoying. He also said Nintendo Power should be out now with the real info, but I don't know if I believe that either.

It's gonna be about Metro the last light anyway if the hint is anything to go by, saying it's a cover for the generations and not missing out or rue your fate, comrad.



Wait a minute......

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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 25, 2012, 11:23:28 AM
The leak guy supposedly Debunked the trailer description on 4chan
So yeah!
I hope the leak guy is correct. The trailer description sounds less than stellar than the rumors about Trevor, Simon and Alucard all as separate entities. I'd totally prefer seeing those three over Simon = Alucard + no Trevor. Especially with the description of orc-like creatures roaming the town. WTF, the eldritch Euro fantasy should end with LoS. Time to move into the gothic horror, full throttle. Leave the Tolkien/D&D inspirations to RPGs.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 25, 2012, 11:27:53 AM
It better be in a playable way. It's weird posting in a hardcore castlevania forum because i literally feel like I'm the only one who prefers sotn's style of gameplay.

It just has way more replay value to me, the 4th time playing sotn i was getting swords I never got before, the same can't be said with a game where you have the same weapon the whole game. I loved the customization, i think it could benefit the series a lot. No one said you can't join the hardcore gameplay with the variety of new. It confuses me why they don't embrace both.
Lol, don't worry, lot's of people here like the metroidvanias titles. This forum is not as hardcore as you think...

Okay, just catch up... GODDAMIT, I hope Simon = Alucard rumor isn't true. It would be the biggest troll move from MS ever. I'm already trying to accept the Belmont Dracula... it would destroy me. =/
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 11:35:12 AM
Lol, don't worry, lot's of people here like the metroidvanias titles. This forum is not as hardcore as you think...

but my point is, why do they have to be separated from each other?
Just because a Belmont is in the game doesn't mean the game has to be restricted with equipment and such.

Make the game hard but let you get new armor for simon or something. Let him use different whips, make the vampire killer come late, allow him to use swords..etc.

Variety should not be a negative attribute to a game.


---Also, whats the link to the rumor site again? It always seems to go 404 error on me.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 25, 2012, 11:37:48 AM
Lol, don't worry, lot's of people here like the metroidvanias titles. This forum is not as hardcore as you think...

Since when liking Metroidvanias is considered "not as hardcore"? And why should it matter anyway?
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Post by: RichterB on May 25, 2012, 11:46:52 AM
  :o So Simon is now Alucard essentially, if this rumor proves to be true? I...oddly am not as miffed at the idea as I thought I would be. Don't get me wrong, I'm taken aback by the implications but the possibilities could prove to be interesting if done right. I--dare I say--am interested in the thought of the Belmonts taking out their own 'problem'.

Well, this idea was sort of started in LoI, with the Belmont's having to face Matthias, who was once a close friend and comrade in arms. This is just a slight variation on that. And regarding Simon as Alucard, the parallel would be the idea of a "son," but it's not as if Simon will actually be a vampire, right? Nevertheless, the rumored [debunked?] trailer sounds promising in some regards. [But lose the orcs]. I really need to see gameplay, though. Because for all the positive "thematic/aesthetic" turns, it could end up a glorified re-skin of LoS. And I hope the Vampire Killer song is not the only classic song.

As for Trevor, don't count him out yet. Mirror of Fate is still out there.

If this is all true nobody, and I mean nobody should wine about this, if they do belmont help them.

Listen, though, like I said above, the gameplay and, moreover, level design needs drastic improvements to match any sort of artistic shift in the right direction. I don't want this to end up as a lip service trailer. For instance, just because we might see Slogra doesn't mean the game is going to be 1,000x better than LoS.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 25, 2012, 11:58:04 AM

Since when liking Metroidvanias is considered "not as hardcore"? And why should it matter anyway?
Actually, I was talking that CastleDan thinks that people here only like the classicvanias, making them "hardcore". And that's not true, at all. People here have very different taste in CV.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 11:59:44 AM
Whats the link to the leak site?...
you know the 4chan one...
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Post by: Flame on May 25, 2012, 12:07:49 PM
If you want a 4chan link, don't expect it to last, since threads come and go there.

best bet is to browse /v/ or /vg/

and browse for a Castlevania thread. :P
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Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 12:08:41 PM
If you want a 4chan link, don't expect it to last, since threads come and go there.

last and then get re-made? odd..

well I do want one, link me? :P
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Post by: Ring_of_Varda on May 25, 2012, 12:11:53 PM
/v/


https://boards.4chan.org/v/res/140651391#q140651391


/vg/

https://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/5154447#q5154447
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 25, 2012, 12:25:53 PM
what did the leaker say about the trailer? like word for word...
he said it was fake?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 25, 2012, 03:27:41 PM
Well, this idea was sort of started in LoI, with the Belmont's having to face Matthias, who was once a close friend and comrade in arms. This is just a slight variation on that.

what
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Post by: e105beta on May 25, 2012, 04:52:52 PM
Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of image release today?
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Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2012, 05:03:32 PM
Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of image release today?
We've been bamboozled.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 25, 2012, 05:04:04 PM
Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of image release today?

All hope rest on Nintendo Power, either later on tonight or tomorrow.

If we get nothing, magazine racks will be tipped over.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on May 25, 2012, 05:07:40 PM
what

I was talking about the rumor of Simon being Gabriel's son, and Gabriel being Dracula, thus giving the Belmonts a historical, familial reason to be combating Dracula in LoS2. Leon and his Vampire Killer's connection with Matthias/Dracula is along those same lines. (IE: A personal, familial responsibility/vendetta. the Belmont/Dracula feud not being random). I don't think it's all that far from where IGA was painting the origin story in this regard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 25, 2012, 05:17:49 PM
I don't know about that. It's more along the lines of what Legends did more than LoI, and a lot of people didn't care for the whole "Grandaddy Dracula and Grandson Trevor" thing. With LoI, at the least, Belmonts and Dracula(Mathias) were not related by blood. They were just good friends. It's easier to swallow(to some) that Dracula was once a friend/ally to the Belmonts in the past than a blood relative, and that the eternal struggle(not literal, but poetic) originated from the betrayal of a comrade in arms, which gave rise to a family's feud against the Dark Lord. Of course, others just don't like the idea of Belmonts carrying Dracula's blood. It, to them, diminishes the original strength of the Belmonts by giving a reason why they are superhumanly strong. It's not that they are just "prime hunters of evil" that are humanity's greatest hope(badass holy warriors that are at their physical peak, and they are able to take on the forces of darkness BECAUSE they train their asses off), but becaue they have Dracula's blood coursing through their veins.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 25, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
This is actually closer to Castlevania Legends than Lament, Where Alucard bangs Sonia Belmont and therefore Trevor is Dracula's grandson.

But ooooh noooo, the game was removed from canon not because of that really convoluted linking, but because IGA is totally sexist.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 25, 2012, 05:30:54 PM
This is actually closer to Castlevania Legends than Lament, Where Alucard bangs Sonia Belmont and therefore Trevor is Dracula's grandson.

But ooooh noooo, the game was removed from canon not because of that really convoluted linking, but because IGA is totally sexist.
A sexist creates Shanoa... he canned Legends because it's history is fucking RETARDED, that's why.
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Post by: Foffy on May 25, 2012, 05:50:46 PM
Is it really stated anywhere directly in Legends that Sonia and Alucard bear a child?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 25, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Ok is this crap about Simon or whoever being a vampire a real thing or just some rumor? I'll be pretty upset if he's a vampire, in fact someone might die. Just sayin.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 25, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
Ok is this crap about Simon or whoever being a vampire a real thing or just some rumor? I'll be pretty upset if he's a vampire, in fact someone might die. Just sayin.

It's been debunked.


But I wouldn't be surprised if it was real.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 25, 2012, 06:00:12 PM
Thank goodness! Moreover, here's to hoping it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: VladCT on May 25, 2012, 06:16:44 PM
To be more specific, only the trailer's been debunked. It's still possible that the Simon is Gabe's son thing is kept as a Shyamalan twist.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kale on May 25, 2012, 06:21:07 PM
I'm confused.... (didn't read the whole thread)

Dracula means Son of the Dragon...... So wouldn't it be The Son of the Dragon returns?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 25, 2012, 06:33:25 PM
Like I said before, the son of a dragon is still a dragon, just like the son of an ogre is still an ogre.  ;D

I hope "The Dragon Returns" is merely just a title to anticipate the revealing of the game. If the subtitle to the game was "The Dragon Returns", that would be ultra cheesy. I can't think of any title(especially movies) that use "Return" and sound anything BUT cheesy. "Return to the Blue Lagoon", "Batman Returns", "Superman Returns", Halloween 4: Return of Michael Myers", "Return of the Living Dead", "return" is just a hokey word to use in a title of something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 25, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
Son of the Dragon = Dracula (Vlad III, aka, Vlad 'Tepes', [Impaler])
Dragon = Dracul (Vlad II)

(from the actual Vlad Dracula III real-world events)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 25, 2012, 07:43:15 PM
A sexist creates Shanoa... he canned Legends because it's history is fucking RETARDED, that's why.
s'called sarcasm. Of course it was canned because of the way they linked the two families. But there are people who insist that it was because IGA hates women, and ignore whatever actual reasons there were.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: VladCT on May 25, 2012, 07:52:55 PM
To his defense, written sarcasm is somewhat harder to detect.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 25, 2012, 08:00:42 PM
s'called sarcasm. Of course it was canned because of the way they linked the two families. But there are people who insist that it was because IGA hates women, and ignore whatever actual reasons there were.
Yup, kind of hard to detect your sarcasm there.

On the other forum, that I'm admin, we use an specific emoticon when we want to be sarcastic. Use this one here:  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 25, 2012, 08:19:13 PM
Like I said before, the son of a dragon is still a dragon, just like the son of an ogre is still an ogre.  ;D

I hope "The Dragon Returns" is merely just a title to anticipate the revealing of the game. If the subtitle to the game was "The Dragon Returns", that would be ultra cheesy. I can't think of any title(especially movies) that use "Return" and sound anything BUT cheesy. "Return to the Blue Lagoon", "Batman Returns", "Superman Returns", Halloween 4: Return of Michael Myers", "Return of the Living Dead", "return" is just a hokey word to use in a title of something.

Return of the Jedi, Return of the King? Really?

Edit: Return of Samus. Awesome game
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 25, 2012, 09:23:17 PM
Return of the Jedi, Return of the King? Really?

Edit: Return of Samus. Awesome game
I'll give you Jedi and King. Those sound bearable. Return of Samus sounds cheesy, though. Of course, that has nothing to do with the game itself. Some of the movies I listed weren't all that bad, but the use of "return" makes, IMO, the titles cheesy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Munchy on May 25, 2012, 10:34:53 PM
Return of the Bride of the Son of the Blood Beast XII. It's just one of those words commonly tacked onto tacky sequels.

I'll admit I'd very much welcome any changing to the atypical "___ of ___" subtitle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 25, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
i'm starting to think of Lords of Shadows as a "Pre-Castlevania" game.  the next one will be a "true" Castlevania game.  the world just wasn't as dark as it got once Dracula took the throne.  i'm totally expecting "everything a Castlevania" game should be in this next one.  full roster of traditional baddies, and lots of traditional Castlevania stages with traditional music here and there.  Dracula is in the house and things are the way he likes them now.

oh, and i'm praying for an adjustable camera.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Munchy on May 25, 2012, 11:15:25 PM
Maybe more traditional enemies (and the stage settings in the first one were mostly pretty traditional when you think about it), but I'm really not expecting this one to be a hugely radical departure from the first. I'm not expecting, say, the musical style to change at all, nor the platforming.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: cecil-kain on May 25, 2012, 11:35:19 PM
Wow.  Reading those last few pages of speculation just about made my eyes bleed...  Bloody tears anyone?  I have a feeling the relationship between Dracula and the "Belmonts" may not be resolved until the game's "climactic finish".  If Gabriel and Marie somehow had a child prior to her murder, that would make the LoS narrative even sloppier than it already is.  But if indeed, these new "Belmonts" are the vampire spawn of Dracula --then the traditional Holy Belmont Warriors truly have dirt on their coffin.  IMO the most sensible way MS could fix this is to have the Brotherhood of Light make "Belmont" an honorary title bestowed upon the champions of their holy order, but that isn't sounding likely.  We're going to need some sort of a Dues ex Machina just to get past how LoS's DLC ended --and that doesn't bode very well from a narrative standpoint.  I can't believe we have the reboot behind us, and we still don't know what the Belmont "clan" truly is in this new universe....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 25, 2012, 11:44:24 PM
i'm starting to think of Lords of Shadows as a "Pre-Castlevania" game.  the next one will be a "true" Castlevania game.  the world just wasn't as dark as it got once Dracula took the throne.  i'm totally expecting "everything a Castlevania" game should be in this next one.  full roster of traditional baddies, and lots of traditional Castlevania stages with traditional music here and there.  Dracula is in the house and things are the way he likes them now.
Yeah, I was thinking the same. As the myth of Dracul/a is set up, the creatures of darkness rise ad more traditional enemies may appear (Slogra/Gaibon, anyone? ;))
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Sumac on May 26, 2012, 12:33:52 AM
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But if indeed, these new "Belmonts" are the vampire spawn of Dracula --then the traditional Holy Belmont Warriors truly have dirt on their coffin.
New timeline = new rules.
No-one touch Belmonts in the old canon.

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Castlevania is not about being Ninja Belmont with a gazillion superpowers and martial-arts acrobatics.
Say this to Richter Belmont in SOTN.
Games should be fun. Walking around slowly whipping enemies is not fun. It worked for CV64, because hardware limitations didn't allow to do better than that at the time. There were no set standard for such things. Nowadays - different times, different hardware - time to explore diffrent possibilites.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 26, 2012, 12:47:25 AM
I was talking about the rumor of Simon being Gabriel's son, and Gabriel being Dracula, thus giving the Belmonts a historical, familial reason to be combating Dracula in LoS2. Leon and his Vampire Killer's connection with Matthias/Dracula is along those same lines. (IE: A personal, familial responsibility/vendetta. the Belmont/Dracula feud not being random). I don't think it's all that far from where IGA was painting the origin story in this regard.

Yes, and my flat what was a reaction to that comparison. It's more like Legends than LoI.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 26, 2012, 01:27:20 AM
How would that be worse than having Simon play Alucard's role too?

Well, it's indeed not the greatest idea in the world, but I think I'd prefer that over a cliched feud between brothers who must fight each other because they were raised on different sides.

As a result, I think they would also give Alucard a terrible villainous personality (because new timeline, new rules) kind of how Liquid acted towards Snake or something.     
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 26, 2012, 01:33:55 AM
By saying Simon would be the Son of the Dragon, he may rather be Dracula (Dracul being the Dragon) than Alucard.

It depends on if Gabriel is Dracul or Dracula.

Well, new timeline = new rules. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on May 26, 2012, 02:36:44 AM
Wait wait.......metroid II for game boy was Metroid II : Return of Samus.
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Post by: Archangel on May 26, 2012, 04:00:19 AM
*If* Alucard and Simon really are one and the same person in LoS´ universe... well, here´s what I think how it could turn out:

In the old timeline, the son of Dracula used the alias "Alucard", Dracula backwards, to symbolize how he disagreed with his fathers methods.

So maybe, in the LoS timeline, Gabriels son, whatever he will be called, will choose the name of Belmont while opposing his father. Remember, Belmont was just a name Gabriel chose for himself... so this versions "Alucard" will use his fathers name before he became evil.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kale on May 26, 2012, 04:35:40 AM
Like I said before, the son of a dragon is still a dragon, just like the son of an ogre is still an ogre.  ;D

I hope "The Dragon Returns" is merely just a title to anticipate the revealing of the game. If the subtitle to the game was "The Dragon Returns", that would be ultra cheesy. I can't think of any title(especially movies) that use "Return" and sound anything BUT cheesy. "Return to the Blue Lagoon", "Batman Returns", "Superman Returns", Halloween 4: Return of Michael Myers", "Return of the Living Dead", "return" is just a hokey word to use in a title of something.

Yea... but, it's not Dracul, it's Dracula.... It's a bit different when you use it as the word meaning dragon/devil and when you use it as a name.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: MKKhanzo on May 26, 2012, 07:44:15 AM
But what if LoS is canon actually? Its only 47 years before LoI (1047-1094), plenty of time for:

*Rinaldo (who we never see in LoI so we dont know how old is he) age and went emo-hermit on the forest

*Gabe leave a son before killing Marie and that son is the father of Leon

*Gabe/Dracula body ascends / descends or wathever and his evil spirit/escense "enters" in Mathias body (as he wanted to do with Maxim in HoD and Soma in AoS/DoS)

*Combat Cross made by Rinaldo gets destroyed and then he wants to make the perfect "vampire Killer" weapon (no pun)

 Somehow for ME it fits. And all the reimaginig chars and enemies, well we have seen that in all the saga.
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Post by: Sumac on May 26, 2012, 07:57:35 AM
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But what if LoS is canon actually? Its only 47 years before LoI (1047-1094), plenty of time for:
Old Canon and LOS-canon are completely separate things. Thre is no sense in trying to merge them. It doesn't work for many reasons.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 26, 2012, 08:09:46 AM
But what if LoS is canon actually? Its only 47 years before LoI (1047-1094), plenty of time for:

*Rinaldo (who we never see in LoI so we dont know how old is he) age and went emo-hermit on the forest

*Gabe leave a son before killing Marie and that son is the father of Leon

*Gabe/Dracula body ascends / descends or wathever and his evil spirit/escense "enters" in Mathias body (as he wanted to do with Maxim in HoD and Soma in AoS/DoS)

*Combat Cross made by Rinaldo gets destroyed and then he wants to make the perfect "vampire Killer" weapon (no pun)

 Somehow for ME it fits. And all the reimaginig chars and enemies, well we have seen that in all the saga.
Mathias Cronqvist is a completely different person. Born into nobility and serving the church as a tactician. His wife dies and he blames god and goes all Gary Oldman on his ass, vowing to defy limited life, thus screwing his friend over to become a vampire.

Gabe is this universes Dracula.

dont forget Zobek, who appears in modern times, where Gabe Dracula is STILL AROUND, hiding in a cathedral.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on May 26, 2012, 08:13:05 AM
Alucard Belmont still sounds so cheesy man it's gonna be hard to get over that fumble. There's so many different ways they could do it, please let it not be that


I recall several months ago, Cox tweeted something in response to a question he was asked, saying "Gabriel is indeed the first Belmont.. and the last." he wouldn't elaborate more (of course)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 26, 2012, 09:00:16 AM
Alucard Belmont still sounds so cheesy man it's gonna be hard to get over that fumble. There's so many different ways they could do it, please let it not be that


I recall several months ago, Cox tweeted something in response to a question he was asked, saying "Gabriel is indeed the first Belmont.. and the last." he wouldn't elaborate more (of course)

Well of course he's the last. He's a vampire he lives forever!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 26, 2012, 09:00:56 AM

I recall several months ago, Cox tweeted something in response to a question he was asked, saying "Gabriel is indeed the first Belmont.. and the last." he wouldn't elaborate more (of course)
Ehm no, I asked that question and he said Gabriel was the first Belmont but NOT the last.

Edit: Remember, trolling/offensive post = -1, disagreable/unpopular opinion =/= -1
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 26, 2012, 09:24:05 AM

I recall several months ago, Cox tweeted something in response to a question he was asked, saying "Gabriel is indeed the first Belmont.. and the last." he wouldn't elaborate more (of course)
not sure if trolling... or genuinely mistaken...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 26, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
I don't think we're going to see the Nintendo Power cover today. Maybe tomorrow?
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Post by: CastleDan on May 26, 2012, 09:35:25 AM
Does anyone here even have a subscription?...It won't matter unless we know someone that does so they can tell us/show us!
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Post by: flyingchai on May 26, 2012, 09:38:17 AM
not sure if trolling... or genuinely mistaken...

I can vouch for Crisis here. Cox did say exactly that....

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Post by: crisis on May 26, 2012, 09:38:55 AM
how is it trolling by saying what i saw Cox tweet? derp

i mean i am a trollmeister, but i'm much more obvious when i ogre people  ;)
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 26, 2012, 09:41:22 AM
Does anyone here even have a subscription?...It won't matter unless we know someone that does so they can tell us/show us!
I heard on neogaf thar the cover preview never has a certain date. Last month was a saturday :P
The Magazine most probably is out the E3 week

@Flying. no he didin't :P Search his tweets
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Post by: Kingshango on May 26, 2012, 09:45:12 AM
I think the new issue was never going to be released this week, but rather next week where pretty much everyone is going to blow their pre E3 loads and debut something new before the show starts. Releasing them this week would have spoiled the surprise's in store.

So next week is a very safe bet. (honestly I think the cover is something else entirely like Metro the last light but I want to be wrong)
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Post by: Flame on May 26, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
I can vouch for Crisis here. Cox did say exactly that....
I'm pretty sure he didnt...
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 26, 2012, 10:15:25 AM
I'm pretty sure he didnt...



For some reason I am thinking he did. It is itching me at the back of my head, ut that was a while ago it felt more like a trick question.


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Post by: flyingchai on May 26, 2012, 10:18:11 AM
I'm pretty sure he didnt...

18 Jan 11
CastlevaniaLOS @InDisChris - He is the first Belmont....and the last...but that is another story...

--------
There, he did. Look for his tweet on January 18 2011 if you want to see for yourself.
Now WHAT??  :P

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Post by: crisis on May 26, 2012, 10:19:38 AM
I know what I read, and I'm pretty sure he said that or something very similar to that. BUT NOT LIKE IT MATTERS NOW


edit: thanks flyingchai  ;) I knew I wasn't mistaken.+1 for you, sir
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 26, 2012, 10:22:13 AM
I know what I read, and I'm pretty sure he said that or something very similar to that. BUT NOT LIKE IT MATTERS NOW


edit: thanks flyingchai  ;) I knew I wasn't mistaken.+1 for you, sir

How in the world can you guys remember that far back on such few words?  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: flyingchai on May 26, 2012, 10:27:16 AM
How in the world can you guys remember that far back on such few words?  :o

My brain's a sponge, and if something makes an impression on me, I tend to not forget it.  ;)
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Post by: CastleDan on May 26, 2012, 10:28:35 AM
18 Jan 11
CastlevaniaLOS @InDisChris - He is the first Belmont....and the last...but that is another story...

--------
There, he did. Look for his tweet on January 18 2011 if you want to see for yourself.
Now WHAT??  :P

but what is the point in bringing this up again? This is obvious..lol
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Post by: flyingchai on May 26, 2012, 10:32:00 AM
but what is the point in bringing this up again? This is obvious..lol

Aside from Cox saying it, I for one would not have have taken it as a given. Especially since we don't even know what the circumstances under which Gabriel winds up being the last Belmont and outliving the bloodline when he's Dracula...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 26, 2012, 10:38:53 AM
eh, so I stand corrected. Ok.

But yeah, its probably something to do with the fact that he is Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 26, 2012, 10:41:43 AM
Aside from Cox saying it, I for one would not have have taken it as a given. Especially since we don't even know what the circumstances under which Gabriel winds up being the last Belmont and outliving the bloodline when he's Dracula...
It's a new storyline, people are looking too much into it.
Belmont clan starts with Dracula, dracula is the first Belmont in this storyline therefor he is the last since he is dracula and lives forever.

Doesn't seem confusing.

Thing is, what will happen with Alucard. Are they gonna ignore that idea of a character, will one of the belmonts just be alucard?...
who knows..
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Post by: Flame on May 26, 2012, 10:51:00 AM
But the epilogue implies the 1999 battle, between, most likely, The Belmonts, Dracula, and Satan.

Unless there are no other surviving Belmonts by then, Dracula will most likely die. Either defeated for good, or getting his promised release from Zobek. And if there are Belmonts around, he wont be the last.

We will have to see either way.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 26, 2012, 10:56:53 AM
But the epilogue implies the 1999 battle, between, most likely, The Belmonts, Dracula, and Satan.

Unless there are no other surviving Belmonts by then, Dracula will most likely die. Either defeated for good, or getting his promised release from Zobek. And if there are Belmonts around, he wont be the last.

We will have to see either way.

Eh I took it as they might have dracula and zobek team up against the devil. To free Dracula from his puppet like life.....
So that would imply there's a chance that might be explored ( he might not have been open to it at that moment)..

Which means Dracula wouldn't be killed off, and he's immortal so.. I get what you're saying but there's no telling that the Belmont clan kept going...
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 26, 2012, 11:26:36 AM
Or, it's another of Cox's little fibs.
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Post by: A-Yty on May 26, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
Dave Cox said something that might turn out to be not true?

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Post by: CastleDan on May 26, 2012, 11:36:28 AM
Dave Cox said something that might turn out to be not true?

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again..

Gabriel Belmont---->First Belmont---->First Belmont turns into Dracula----->Dracula is immortal = ...Last Belmont. ( especially if he changes his ways near the end of the series ans becomes good again


So there's no real lie here unless you are just trolling or hate David Cox for whatever reasons...
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 26, 2012, 11:50:44 AM
Ooh.. I can swear other answer, still, my bad, gotta deserve those -1's

I guess that by last he means indeed that he's the last surviving, because he's alive in the future where the Belmont Clan exists no more (?)
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Post by: CastleDan on May 26, 2012, 11:55:26 AM
Ooh.. I can swear other answer, still, my bad, gotta deserve those -1's

I guess that by last he means the last surviving, because he's alive in the future where the Belmont Clan exists no more (?)

Possibly this but at the end of the day he's the immortal one in the clan so....he will outlast everyone eventually. Lol

I really do hope they fit an Alucard into this somehow, I thought it was an interesting angle to the series....
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Post by: crisis on May 26, 2012, 12:00:27 PM
what i wanna know is since when did people here get so sensitive & started accussing anybody that says something "wrong" about los as OMG TROLLING

it's kinda funny lol
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 26, 2012, 12:00:41 PM
Possibly this but at the end of the day he's the immortal one in the clan so....he will outlast everyone eventually. Lol

I really do hope they fit an Alucard into this somehow, I thought it was an interesting angle to the series....
Unless someone DOES eventually come around and put an end to him, though if Cox IS right(and he didn't just give the answer without talking to Alvarez, nor is 100% sure of how they want the reboot series to pan out), maybe Alucard will be the one to put Gabriel to rest.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 26, 2012, 12:04:16 PM
Unless someone DOES eventually come around and put an end to him, though if Cox IS right(and he didn't just give the answer without talking to Alvarez, nor is 100% sure of how they want the reboot series to pan out), maybe Alucard will be the one to put Gabriel to rest.

Well to be fair they obviously talked about where the series will go, because that extra scene at the end of the game was meant to be a..... if this game fails this is where we would have taken the series.

So I'm assuming they discussed the basic outline of how everything would end up in the end.
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 26, 2012, 12:13:09 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F24pjr4j.jpg&hash=26ed1d7d677a80ad164c13126db3a12b)

I knocked the door and then i heard a sexy voice says come back after 5 days hun ... and then i left
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 26, 2012, 12:15:52 PM
I don't think they know what they want. Maybe Alvarez has a better idea than Cox. I just think they have the beginning and they have the set up for the end, and plan on filling in the middle. But, because they are ONE team, they can stick to that goal easier than, say, it being handed off to multiple studios/teams(like the original) ideas entering the fold that jinx up the continuity a bit. It's the whole "too many chefs in the kitchen" deal.
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Post by: Dremn on May 26, 2012, 12:27:29 PM
Well, I guess we're just going to have wait 5 more days. I don't think anything will leak before then. Not much longer now.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 26, 2012, 12:35:33 PM
It's been two years since anything new related to Castlevania came out, waiting for five days will be no problem.
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Post by: uzo on May 26, 2012, 01:19:28 PM
I recall several months ago, Cox tweeted something in response to a question he was asked, saying "Gabriel is indeed the first Belmont.. and the last." he wouldn't elaborate more (of course)

I actually recall this as well. But if you think about it, it doesn't necessarily mean there are none in the middle, but that he is likely the last surviving Belmont, you know, since he lives all the way to modern times.
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 26, 2012, 01:27:12 PM
for a perfect CV  ;)


Bloody Tears: Super Castlevania 4 Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoQex8CB9eA#)

it never gets old !
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Post by: A-Yty on May 26, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
again..

Gabriel Belmont---->First Belmont---->First Belmont turns into Dracula----->Dracula is immortal = ...Last Belmont. ( especially if he changes his ways near the end of the series ans becomes good again


So there's no real lie here unless you are just trolling or hate David Cox for whatever reasons...

Unless it turns out he meant what he said. At this point and because he has a record of saying things that aren't quite true, it could be either.

Storywise, it might take a story ass pull to explain why life h8r Gabricula would spawn someone to share the misery of vampire life. If he really did have a kid with that wife before he killed her, it's gonna take another pull.
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 26, 2012, 05:13:15 PM
Alucard Belmont still sounds so cheesy man it's gonna be hard to get over that fumble. There's so many different ways they could do it, please let it not be that



So there's good speculation that Simon is the hero in this game right? Well, what if Alucard (Adrian) and Simon are not the same guy, but are brothers instead? Simon does his thing in this new game and it's revealed at the end that he has an evil brother...maybe an evil twin (Doppelganger style?) That could be good fodder for a 3rd game...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 26, 2012, 08:02:49 PM
What if one kid came out Vampire and the other didnt.

The vampire one is Alucard the other is Simon. Or whatever Belmont the next one after Gabe is.

Hmm, I wonder- If they ever do Trevor... Would they name him Ralph in Japan? or just keep it Trevor?
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Post by: VladCT on May 26, 2012, 08:23:13 PM
Considering that they did the Belmont/Belmondo switch, I'd say it's likely that the Trevor/Ralph switch will also be made.
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Post by: JR on May 27, 2012, 01:37:24 AM
If he really did have a kid with that wife before he killed her, it's gonna take another pull.

One way I could see being acceptable would be if he had a lover (and child) he abandoned before he met Marie. It could also add to him not being who we originally thought he was, I guess. That's the only way I can think of that would make sense for him to have a son who wasn't mentioned at all during Lords of Shadow.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 27, 2012, 01:48:34 AM
One way I could see being acceptable would be if he had a lover (and child) he abandoned before he met Marie. It could also add to him not being who we originally thought he was, I guess. That's the only way I can think of that would make sense for him to have a son who wasn't mentioned at all during Lords of Shadow.

Gabriel has done.... Questionable things after all.....
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Post by: Dremn on May 27, 2012, 04:22:00 PM
That's the only way I can think of that would make sense for him to have a son who wasn't mentioned at all during Lords of Shadow.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do actually say Gabe and Marie had a son, but Marie never got to tell Gabe before he killed her, or the Belmonts will be Dhampirs if Gabula got with another woman.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 27, 2012, 04:36:27 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they do actually say Gabe and Marie had a son, but Marie never got to tell Gabe before he killed her, or the Belmonts will be Dhampirs if Gabula got with another woman.
The Dhampir Belmont thing would be a boner killer. As it is, the hype was ultra high until the rumored trailer, then it was like "Urgh....no!".  ;D
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Post by: Dremn on May 27, 2012, 05:03:26 PM
There's really no way around the Belmonts being related to Dracula at this point. I'm expecting some disappointment on Thursday.
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Post by: Little Dracula on May 27, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Not sure if this was posted.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2: What we want to see

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/349138/features/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-what-we-want-to-see/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/349138/features/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-what-we-want-to-see/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: JR on May 28, 2012, 02:57:48 AM
That article says they wish the sequel would just drop the player right off where the epilogue ended...I disagree. I think it could be cool (assuming this storyline is in it for the long haul) if the sequel had an epilogue that built onto the one from LoS, and each successive game could give us a little more and more of the present day part of the story. Pretty much the same as what Assassin's Creed does, I guess.

They could even incorporate DLC into this, but I hope they use it to bridge other possible gaps in the storyline, too.

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Post by: The Silverlord on May 28, 2012, 06:47:22 AM
I actually quite like the idea of a Belmont being turned and helping his descendents on-the-fly to storm his father’s castle.  Little would the likes of Richter know it’s his old forefather Simon helping him.  It's not out of the question from a storyline perspective, so long as you factor in a more free-thinking or emotional/chaotic neutral type of vampire.  Lords' showed the more savage and primordial kind of vampire (but Carmilla was likely progenitor).

As a shock twist, Zobek might actually be Marie’s father (Gabe’s potential father-in-law), making ole Death and Drac’s confident (old continuity admittedly) Alucard’s granddad.  Possible four generations (Drac, 'castle-stormer', Death, Alu-Simon) in the castle of chaos.  Oh the webs we weave.

Ridiculous, but I'm looking forward to seeing the game play.
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Post by: Flame on May 28, 2012, 11:20:33 AM
Quote
We want to see the equel carry on from here instead of pulling the old bait-and-switch and returning to more comfortable gothic lands.
Um, I dont think ANYONE wants that.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 28, 2012, 03:36:52 PM
So....can we assume this game will have Alucard as the lead?

If rumors are true about the 3ds game ...Alucard=Simon .....and if this is game takes place after the 3DS game logic would conclude we would play as Alucard which would also go well with rumors of the game being nonlinear.
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Post by: Belmont Stakes on May 28, 2012, 04:39:45 PM
I found another link about the imminent news on May 31st. Can't wait for the Dragon Returns.

http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-will-be-revealed-on-may-31/ (http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-will-be-revealed-on-may-31/)

I bought LOS about a month ago and just finished it yesterday (I have a PS3 now, yay.) There are a few origin bashers in the forum but as for me I am cool with the whole origin of the Count and if he has any connection to the Belmonts that is fine. One thing I was curious about this link is why do the refer to the last boss in LOS as the Forgotten One? The Gandolfi connection between LOI and LOS is well known.
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Post by: Gecko on May 28, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
One thing I was curious about this link is why do the refer to the last boss in LOS as the Forgotten One? The Gandolfi connection between LOI and LOS is well known.

The "true" final stage (DLC) has you fighting the Forgotten One, Reimagined, but still very reminiscent of the LoI Forgotten One in a lot of ways. I thought it was fun. Overpriced, but fun.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 28, 2012, 05:40:00 PM
It was fun watching someone good play it on youtube. The first DLC was better in some parts IMO.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on May 28, 2012, 08:53:53 PM
with both Simon and Alucard apparently appearing in the 3DS game, i have to wonder who they'll pick as the main in this game.  Trevor?  maybe Gabriel will get another go at it using his vampiric abilities?  he's lost his humanity and has uber power, but he hasn't really been given a good reason to go genocidal yet, so maybe there's a playable quest in him yet. 

i have to imagine at some point, they'll want to include a Belnades clan member, even if only as a npc.  i'm almost half expecting them to bring back Sypha as an actual man in a game. 

EDIT:  oh yeah, the rumors say the 3DS game leads up to LOS2, don't they?  so maybe they'll just use Alucard or Simon again after all.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 28, 2012, 08:57:08 PM
i'm almost half expecting them to bring back Sypha as an actual man in a game.
DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS
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Post by: Gecko on May 28, 2012, 09:03:37 PM
It was fun watching someone good play it on youtube. The first DLC was better in some parts IMO.

Eh, I didn't actually care for the first one much. Too many puzzles. That's also one of my gripes about the game as a whole, but the first DLC is all about them with some combat here and there too. The second one is all about fast-paced action and learning the stage, timing correctly, and learning to fight this new boss that's quite different from anything you've fought in this game yet. It had a great general classic gaming air to it, and that really satisfied me. I thought the climbing buzzsaw maze in the first DLC was cool until moments later when I realized that I would be there a VERY long time. I was.   :(
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Post by: Omegasigma on May 28, 2012, 09:25:17 PM
from the sounds of the modern day thing, it could be MS hint at their version of the 1999 battle, but instead of the belmonts vs dracula, its satan vs dracula, but Id prefer a return to the castle, and more normal castlevania music, and ditch the puzzels, none of the other games had em, thats about it to keep me happy

and to the above, no Sypha needs boobs, well at least pull a samus then and dont find out till the end :p
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Post by: Maedhros on May 28, 2012, 10:29:16 PM
Eh, I didn't actually care for the first one much. Too many puzzles. That's also one of my gripes about the game as a whole, but the first DLC is all about them with some combat here and there too. The second one is all about fast-paced action and learning the stage, timing correctly, and learning to fight this new boss that's quite different from anything you've fought in this game yet. It had a great general classic gaming air to it, and that really satisfied me. I thought the climbing buzzsaw maze in the first DLC was cool until moments later when I realized that I would be there a VERY long time. I was.   :(
Yeah, I hated that part too. But the second DLC had a lot more, with lava to make it even worse. And the battle wasn't even that good anyway, too many QTEs.

I hate wall shimmering, goddamit, who invented this SHIT. It fucking sucks. That's not platforming, at all. Walking on planks isn't it, too. I hope to see actual platforming on this game, puts Double jump in since start, I don't really care. Just make
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Post by: Munchy on May 29, 2012, 02:11:23 AM

I bought LOS about a month ago and just finished it yesterday (I have a PS3 now, yay.) There are a few origin bashers in the forum but as for me I am cool with the whole origin of the Count and if he has any connection to the Belmonts that is fine.

For whatever it's worth, I'm an equal opportunity origin story hater (dislike both LoI's and LoS's). This is because I enjoy the mystery of unexplained things, like the Isoc/Wily connection in the Mega Man X series. Though I realize this is a bit hypocritical as I don't play the games for story...
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Post by: The Silverlord on May 29, 2012, 03:34:14 AM
I hate wall shimmering, goddamit, who invented this SHIT. It fucking sucks. That's not platforming, at all. Walking on planks isn't it, too. I hope to see actual platforming on this game, puts Double jump in since start, I don't really care. Just make

Crazy Climber (1980, Nichibutsu)

Crazy Climber arcade game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJAEmOtLZHg#)

Could replace the main sprite with Gabriel and the skyscraper with Drac's castle, have some skeletons tossing bones at you. :)


And I'm going to come out and say I liked the shimmying.  I can absolutely see where the disdain comes from.  They’ve taken an action-platforming series and added in some linear sections of shimmying and wall jumping—something more native  to Tomb Raider or Prince of Persia.  It slows the pace of the game, pads out sub-chapters, there were camera issues, it wasn't easy knowing where you were going, those flashing platforms showing you where to go seemed odd and alien . . .

But!  What a way to take in some of those beautiful environments.  It slowed the pace of the game down just enough that one would appreciate more of the background artwork, those moments of solitude were with Gabriel and his quest.  It did mix up the gameplay quite nicely IMO.  And climbing Abbot Dorin's abbey (Chpt. 5-5) was a real highlight of the game for me.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 29, 2012, 05:17:20 AM
The problem is: it doesn't have ANY difficult, it's too automatic. I don't know, I prefer platformers in the traditional way. Since Ice Climbers, Kid Icarus, Mario, Sonic and such...

For me, 3D platforming is what Castlevania 64 does. Crash Bandicoot series, Mario 64 (and sequels) does. It gets in the way and is incorporated into the design of the game, not only to slow the pace, but because these games are platformers in essence. Castlevania was an action platformer, they could put more platforming elements on it.

Yeah, LoS vistas are beautiful, but I don't think platforming makes it any better. I could appreciate these vistas without the shitty platforming it does. GoW, Uncharted, Prince of Persia, Assassins Creed... it's not how I wanted games to evolve at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 29, 2012, 08:17:43 AM
Possible leak of the chapters in the game:

https://images.4chan.org/vg/src/1338300916299.jpg

One of the chapters is called "Legion".

And the last part of the game seems to be take place in modern times.
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Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 08:21:12 AM
Possible leak of the chapters in the game:

https://images.4chan.org/vg/src/1338300916299.jpg (https://images.4chan.org/vg/src/1338300916299.jpg)

One of the chapters is called "Legion".

And the last part of the game seems to be take place in modern times.
Entrance Hall caught my eye.

Super Castlevania IV OST: Stage 6 Entrance Hall (6-1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ver18ZHcH3k#)
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Post by: A-Yty on May 29, 2012, 08:23:38 AM
If that were is insider information, why refer to the game as "Lords of Shadow 2"? If the person can leak that kind of specific information, surely he would know the actual name of the game?
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Post by: VladCT on May 29, 2012, 08:28:04 AM
Now that you've mentioned it, that does sound a bit fishy.
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Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 08:28:57 AM
The Spiral Staircase reminds me of that area in the epilogue where we saw Slogra's corpse.

Interesting there are some chapters between longer ones that are marked with CODA. No idea what it means, but maybe some chapters take place in the modern setting filling in gaps in the story.

EDIT: The first CODA chapter is titled The Shattered Mirror. Mirror of Fate is supposed to tie LoS into LoS2.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 08:36:03 AM
The image was ereased... veery fishy  8)
I've been thinking about that, what if Mercury takes a better vanguardist (Does it mean what I think it means?) storytelling in where in every game they tell a little of the last game? I think it would be great, you would feel the story is going forward and that's a motivation that perhaps is lacking. Also, they could pull off neat surprises related to characters in the past due to events in the future.
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Post by: Nagumo on May 29, 2012, 08:38:44 AM
Here is the image for the curious:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg848.imageshack.us%2Fimg848%2F8638%2F1338300916299.jpg&hash=ead27de0e4c1439ef18e59746a442dd3)

 
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 29, 2012, 08:42:00 AM
HOLY SHIT.

Sounds like we gonna have a hell of more traditional CV places here! :D

I'm over excited.
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Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 08:42:36 AM
A lot of these chapter names borrow from Greek and all kinds of mythology. Whoever made this knew how to get inside Mercury Steam's heads, everything sounds like something they would come up with.
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 29, 2012, 08:45:49 AM
I really start to think that LoS was the prologue to the new timeline and that's why it felt less CV than other games.

Also, Zobek = final boss?
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 08:46:50 AM
if real fuck MS, castle barely has a place in the game at all again hah

probably wasting my time but proper noun lookup:

"belasco" bog from simons quest
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Belasco_Marsh (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Belasco_Marsh)
"hel," norse goddess of the underworld
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel_%28being%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel_%28being%29)
"geryon," greek giant, also in dante's inferno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geryon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geryon)
"ninth circle," place from dante's inferno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_%28Dante%29#Ninth_Circle_.28Treachery.29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_%28Dante%29#Ninth_Circle_.28Treachery.29)
"antaeus," another greek giant, also in dante's inferno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antaeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antaeus)

lots of hell talk there, does part of the game take place in hell? heh

probably fake tho, dont trust anything from 4chan

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 08:48:18 AM
Out of all the rumors we've gathered over the past weeks, this is the only one that I call bullshit on.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 08:52:48 AM
Out of all the rumors we've gathered over the past weeks, this is the only one that I call bullshit on.
Would be funny if this one turned out to be the truth and the rest were completely bogus.

Whoever made this had a lot of time on their hands, seems awfully silly to even want to mock up a chapter listing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 08:54:04 AM
If that were is insider information, why refer to the game as "Lords of Shadow 2"? If the person can leak that kind of specific information, surely he would know the actual name of the game?

i think the thing is probably bs but i wouldnt be surprised if it was called LOS2 honestly. besides aside from mirror of fate thats the only CV related domain on konamis server
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FiSxU8.jpg&hash=845b9ae9ca901b4c59dca1d3276a8a6f)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 08:57:35 AM
Pretty disappointing if they do just call it "Lords of Shadow 2."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 29, 2012, 08:59:17 AM
Pretty disappointing if they do just call it "Lords of Shadow 2."
I agree. CV games always had original names, it'd be a shame if it is only called LoS2. But maybe they're afraid fans don't understand it's not the sequel by giving it another name.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 09:06:24 AM
Remember that rumored trailer synopsis that the leaker ended up debunking? Im starting to lean on it being real after these lastest developments.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 29, 2012, 09:11:52 AM
Remembering some bestiaries from previous games, having some places taken from the Inferno or Greek mythology wouldn't be surprising.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: flyingchai on May 29, 2012, 09:14:49 AM
If this chapter listing is real, I'm guessing that in chapter 12 we'd get to play as Dracul.
Plus we'd fight Zobek and see his final form....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 09:16:35 AM
Out of all the rumors we've gathered over the past weeks, this is the only one that I call bullshit on.
B-b-b-b-ut why?  ???
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 09:22:10 AM
if real i like how some of it kind of seems to have a simons quest flow

starting town -> forest -> bridge

cemetery/catacombs -> under a lake -> mansion

marsh called "belasco" -> crossing a river -> deadlands/wasteland, after which there's a "death masque" just like there was a death fight im SQ

dead forest -> depressing town -> cliff (called tempest cliff, wonder if a tempest transports you hah) -> and later a "vampire masque," kinda like the carmila/vampire mask battle from SQ

then drac's castle

probably reading way too much into it, got castlevania on the brain, haha



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 09:24:25 AM
Could someone reupload the pic to a non imageshack server? Can't see t  :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 29, 2012, 09:29:28 AM
Sounds really interesting. It definitively has some CVII influence.

But they're only rumors, so let's be careful.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 09:36:45 AM
if real i like how some of it kind of seems to have a simons quest flow

starting town -> forest -> bridge

cemetery/catacombs -> under a lake -> mansion

marsh called "belasco" -> crossing a river -> deadlands/wasteland, after which there's a "death masque" just like there was a death fight im SQ

dead forest -> depressing town -> cliff (called tempest cliff, wonder if a tempest transports you hah) -> and later a "vampire masque," kinda like the carmila/vampire mask battle from SQ

then drac's castle

probably reading way too much into it, got castlevania on the brain, haha
Man, now I'm really intrigued.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 29, 2012, 09:44:04 AM
Pretty disappointing if they do just call it "Lords of Shadow 2."
I agree. CV games always had original names, it'd be a shame if it is only called LoS2. But maybe they're afraid fans don't understand it's not the sequel by giving it another name.

I think it would be utterly retarded if the actual name were that. It is such an unbelievable scenario I didn't even take it into consideration, which is why the use of the title initially made me suspicious of that list being genuine at all. That - and it being posted on 4chan.

If the game is going to be Lords of Shadow 2, I will be completely speechless.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 09:48:29 AM
nevermind
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 09:52:07 AM
LOS2 name confirmed?

from gaf

Quote
Just spoke to my wife at home. My new Nintendo Power is at home. She said the first title in the bottom left is Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 followed by Mirrors of Fate. Sounds like the generations part of the tease is the Belmont clan perhaps? I'll take pictures when I get home.

She also mentioned the cover is a guy in the woods, and it's snowy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 09:52:50 AM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

RIP F5 key.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 09:53:06 AM
Yo we need scan's pronto!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 09:55:31 AM
Certain key is going to be raped
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
GOT IT!
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gonintendo.com%2Fcontent%2Fuploads%2F_thumbs%2FImages%2F2012_5%2Fcastle.png&hash=765b43b975fa29e87a089de43a683e50)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gonintendo.com%2Fcontent%2Fuploads%2F_thumbs%2FImages%2F2012_5%2Fcastle2.png&hash=f1801a3172561e027f15450f526e3009)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 09:58:22 AM
HOLY SHIT SIMON

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gonintendo.com%2Fcontent%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2F2012_5%2Fcastle.png&hash=bc673163bd0766379e902d94de50fd22)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 09:59:03 AM
I LOVE HIM.

Wait, leather whip? OMG OMG OMG  ;D
Also, confirmed that MoF protagonist is Trevor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 29, 2012, 09:59:07 AM
Wow, Simon is a redhead.

And uh, the game is called "Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of fate"?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 10:01:01 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gonintendo.com%2Fcontent%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2F2012_5%2Fcastle2.png&hash=6c701b0c55e5a3adc2eb739434bce869)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 10:02:29 AM
Wow, Simon is a redhead.

And uh, the game is called "Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of fate"?
...son of a bitch, that other guy was telling the truth.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 10:05:22 AM
yeah 4chan leak guy vindicated = simon is alucard guy is bullshit haha. thank god

love that there's a trevor, wish the game was 2d tho
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
Trevor is the one in the screens, Simon is just on the cover.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 10:06:56 AM
I can't tell if it's because of the scan quality, but does Trevor have two different coats on? In the left screen it's green, and the right one it's blue.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 29, 2012, 10:07:42 AM
Well wouldja look at that.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.head-fi.org%2F0%2F0f%2F1000x500px-LL-0fda0e90_spongebob-wallet.jpg&hash=5fb8d8d5c130651b8bfa2697071b6796)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 29, 2012, 10:08:10 AM
Interesting that they seem to set up the MercurySteam games as part of the Lords of Shadow sub-series. I wonder if that means there is still hope for people who don't like those games...?

Here's the info btw:

- deep combat mechanics
- involves Trevor Belmont
- Fight with Trevor’s version of the Combat Cross
- strong attacks with X
- wider-reaching attacks with Y
- secondary weapons like the boomerang-like glaive and electric bomb
- use these with A
- grab enemies with R
- block and dodge with L
- involves light and shadow magic returns
- earn experience points to unlock new combos
- these include launching foes into the air, smashing enemies down to the ground and more
- includes skeletons, axe-wielding undead and more

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 29, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Interesting that the first set of rumors turned out to be true. So, I'm pretty stoked. But the screens don't look 2.5D. The game looks 3D, on the 3DS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on May 29, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
You guys know this is the wrong thread to post this shit, right?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 10:09:49 AM
I'm confused.... Why is it Simon on the cover, if Trevor is the protagonist?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 29, 2012, 10:11:10 AM
GUYS!

Keep stuff relevant to the threads, please.
I cannot tell any more what thread is for what.  Kthx.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 10:13:23 AM
so no LOS2 mention on the cover, guess that gaf person heard wrong. wonder if there's any inside the mag.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 10:16:57 AM
So, the first rumor about MoF featuring BOTH Simon and Trevor was true. Excited to see how it all turns out to be. Yep, let's move on to the MoF thread.

Still, if that's the Simon we're getting for LoS, can't complain. It's like a mixture of all the styles he had been pictured so far.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 29, 2012, 10:19:42 AM
If that chapter list is even remotely legit, then I'm extremely excited!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 29, 2012, 10:23:29 AM
My head is spinning from all this LoS2/MoF mixture crap...

Let's clarify here...

WHO is in LoS2? Simon or Trevor?

WHO is in MoF? Simon or Trevor?

WHERE is either confirmed?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Sumac on May 29, 2012, 10:24:21 AM
Simon looks awesome. Like a viking.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 10:28:27 AM
My head is spinning from all this LoS2/MoF mixture crap...

Let's clarify here...

WHO is in LoS2? Simon or Trevor?

WHO is in MoF? Simon or Trevor?

WHERE is either confirmed?
My guess is:
MoF: Trevor AND Simon. COnfirmed by Nintendo power.
LoS: Only Simon: Confirmed from original leak.

Also, keep in mind that the original leaked said that Alucard was involved in some way or another, So Alucard =/= Simon :relief:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 29, 2012, 10:30:57 AM
My guess is:
MoF: Trevor AND Simon. COnfirmed by Nintendo power.
LoS: Only Simon: Confirmed from original leak.

Also, keep in mind that the original leaked said that Alucard was involved in some way or another, So Alucard =/= Simon :relief:

Thank you kind sir!

I posted my theory a few pages ago in this thread that Simon & Alucard could be brothers. Maybe evil twins? Setting up a pseudo-doppelganger fight? Something like that could be cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 10:32:36 AM
Phew, so that Simon=Alucard rumor was fake then? So that means Alucard will have a role in this somehow.

Also, might just be me but I think Trevor's coat looks nice.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 29, 2012, 10:34:27 AM
I hope this does not mean that Simon or Trevor is also "Alucard".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 10:36:17 AM
I hope this does not mean that Simon or Trevor is also "Alucard".

Well if the first leaker was correct(this reveal might give him some validation now), Alucard is a seperate character and is not Trevor or Simon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 10:43:09 AM
This is going to sound harsh, it is not, it's just an observation.

Simon looks cool but I believe MS artists went the Ayami ruote and made him look stylish but not, hm.. practical? Look at those gloves, and of course, the return of the BOA hahahah (Yeah, it's wolf fur, and it's a cape now, it's an improvement but still...) I like the design, very much, like I like almost all Ayami designs (except Simon an juste) but.. it's certainly more of an artistic recreation.

And that's fine, we feared that the new series would get "serious, gritty and realistic"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 29, 2012, 10:46:05 AM
I'm afraid I have to disappoint you guys. From leak guy:

Quote
want to do a bit of BS correcting/damage control.

sorry to disappoint, but the simon subscriber cover is just a special image done to celebrate the legacy of the franchise. he's not in any upcoming games [yet].

that chapter list is fake. LOS2 stars gabriel/dracula and takes place in the present day with flashbacks to the aftermath of LOS's epilogue.

numbered console LOS games will tell the story of gabriel/dracula and his feud with zobek/war with satan, while handheld spin-offs will appeal to traditional fans in that they show the history of the belmont clan and their war with dracula in the past. LOS2~onwards will take place in the present.

one thing that isn't BS though is that alucard is definitely in the cards. stay tuned.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
I'm afraid I have to disappoint you guys. From leak guy:

I just heard the sound of a shattering glass.


And suddenly, I stopped feeling my heart.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 29, 2012, 10:48:02 AM
I'm afraid I have to disappoint you guys. From leak guy:
Still sounds promising.

Again, only rumors.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 10:49:11 AM
I'm afraid I have to disappoint you guys. From leak guy:

Other than Simon not being in LOS2, it still sound promising.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 29, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
I'm afraid I have to disappoint you guys. From leak guy:

Wow, way to kick the hell out of the hype.....

And that Simon is not playable?

That is a huge letdown... :(

If you ask me, the only good thing from this new development is that Alucard is going to have a role.

I don't like the fact that the "handhelds" will once again be reserved only for the "hardcore fans of old".

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 29, 2012, 10:50:50 AM
An entire game in present day? FAIL.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 10:51:34 AM
The sad part, for me anway, is that I'm zero interested in the present day story line, not before knowing what happened in the preceding years, you know why? becasue
1- That story will never end. Yeah, not in the foreseeable future, I smell a series of cliffhangers and teases now on.
2- I was intrigued by what MS could do with past settings. They could infuse the series with hstorical awareness leading to potentially awesome stuff.
3- I already know how that abttle will end. Gabriel wins, go to heaven, reunites with marie, Zobek is killed, Satan dfeetaed, the end.

Mercury: If that's true, you just lost your biggest fan.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: thernz on May 29, 2012, 10:52:15 AM
sorry to disappoint, but the simon subscriber cover is just a special image done to celebrate the legacy of the franchise. he's not in any upcoming games [yet].
:)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ring_of_Varda on May 29, 2012, 10:52:41 AM
this cant be real can it? did i die and suddenly im in a twisted hell where dreams can come true only to be dashed at a later date?


KONAMI! for the love of all that is holy take my money!! take it!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 29, 2012, 10:54:40 AM
The sad part, for me anway, is that I'm zero interested in the present day story line, not before knowing what happened in the preceding years, you know why? becasue
1- That story will never end. Yeah, not in the foreseeable future, I smell a series of cliffhangers and teases now on.
2- I was intrigued by what MS could do with past settings. They could infuse the series with hstorical awareness leading to potentially awesome stuff.
3- I already know how that abttle will end. Gabriel wins, go to heaven, reunites with marie, Zobek is killed, Satan dfeetaed, the end.

Mercury: If that's true, you just lost your biggest fan.

but you see...that ending makes sense because in Bram Stoker's he was set free in the end. Dracula was never a 'bad' character he was a tragic character.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 29, 2012, 10:56:06 AM
:)

That just seems like a hint of Simon being in Lords of Shadow 2...

I really want Alucard to be a main character in a mercurysteam game......but I don't want him to be a whip wielding Belmont......

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 10:56:52 AM
short blurb about LOS2 from NP:

Quote
Looks like Lords of Shadow 2 is 100% confirmed as well, even though we pretty much guessed that last week. Here's a blurb from Nintendo Power.

"(Mirror of Fate has a) climax that will set up the events of Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2."

Now, the article doesn't state that Lords of Shadow 2 is coming to Wii U. It simply confirms that the game exists. Let's hope we get this rumor fully confirmed by seeing Lords of Shadow 2 on Wii U!

from gonintendo
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 10:58:01 AM
but you see...that ending makes sense because in Bram Stoker's he was set free in the end. Dracula was never a 'bad' character he was a tragic character.
Yeah, I'm not opposed to that ending, at all  :)
It's just that the sense of surprise is gone, you see... I don't know how to explain myself. I know that's the ultimate ending, but I hoped the lead up to it would have been grand in scale, different. Spanning centuries and intriguing stories all along.
Of course, all of that could happen in the portable entries, but I can't help but feel a little bummed.

But of course, we don't know anything for sure, and, this new modernVania could win me over again, who knows?  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kaori on May 29, 2012, 10:59:46 AM
I'm afraid I have to disappoint you guys. From leak guy:

And now I'm disappointed. However, the idea of the handheld games appealing to the traditional fans sounds good. I still have hope.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: thernz on May 29, 2012, 11:03:33 AM
According to the rumors, it seems to be exactly like Lords in terms of gameplay.
So I doubt that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on May 29, 2012, 11:04:18 AM
Mirror of Fate sets up for the present day sequel? I wonder if they want to wrap the storyline up quickly?

And yes, so far the game just seems like LoS on handhelds.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 29, 2012, 11:08:00 AM
Mirror of Fate sets up for the present day sequel? I wonder if they want to wrap the storyline up quickly?

And yes, so far the game just seems like LoS on handhelds.

Seems like it.

I guess Cox wasn't lying when he said he did not want to become "Mr Castlevania".

You would think that they would try to make a least a 2 or 3 more games leading up to the modern day battle and yet they seem to be trying to do that with this title alone.

Considering the HUGE gap between LOS and the Modern timeline you would think some pretty interesting things happened during Gabriels hiding......guess he just did pretty much nothing for the majority of the 1000 year gap.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lumas on May 29, 2012, 11:08:58 AM
but you see...that ending makes sense because in Bram Stoker's he was set free in the end. Dracula was never a 'bad' character he was a tragic character.

I dont know what book you read but Dracula WAS intended to be evil and in the end of the book he was killed, not set free. The movie made him appear as a tragic character but Dracula was intended by Bram to be evil.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: flyingchai on May 29, 2012, 11:09:37 AM
I think we can stop with "Modern Day LOS2" from the other thread; the original poster from that other forum was a troll.
Thank God. It would have been way too early for it to jump to present day, even if there would have been flashbacks to the past.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 11:09:50 AM
is that chapter list back in play then?

-said the game was LOS2, NP confirmed the name a few hours later
-chapters indicate the early game takes place in forest and mountain, simon pic shows him on a snowy mountain forest
-early 'coda' thing is called "the shattered mirror," then NP says MOF leads into LOS2

never know?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 29, 2012, 11:12:33 AM
I hope that most recent rumor is as fake as the Simon=Alucard one. Please... let it be. I have no interest in playing as Gabula in a modern era. IMO, LoS should be the only game where you play as him.
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Post by: flyingchai on May 29, 2012, 11:13:29 AM
is that chapter list back in play then?

-said the game was LOS2, NP confirmed the name a few hours later
-chapters indicate the early game takes place in forest and mountain, simon pic shows him on a snowy mountain forest
-early 'coda' thing is called "the shattered mirror," then NP says MOF leads into LOS2

never know?

I actually hope so; the Simon's Quest-ish lineup of chapters sounds stellar to me, only because Simon's Quest was my first exposure to Castlevania over 20 years ago...
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 11:15:00 AM
I hope that most recent rumor is as fake as the Simon=Alucard one. Please... let it be. I have no interest in playing as Gabula in a modern era. IMO, LoS should be the only game where you play as him.
This. Well I'm not opposed to those "Coda Chapters", it's the best solution in my book; a multuilayered narrative would be an interesting addition  ;)

For info's sake: konami pre-E3 conference will be at 12am PST this friday
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 29, 2012, 11:28:35 AM
A "Coda" in musical terms is a spot you jump to in a musical piece, usually after a repeat of a section.

Sort of like this:
You play a section, arrive at a repeat, and repeat a section.  That section has a Coda jump.
Upon replaying the section, instead of playing until the repeat, you play until the Coda, and 'jump' to another section of the piece.

It is my assumption that "Coda" chapters are sections in which you can either replay an area as a different character, or do a story jump to another character.

Just my assumption, though.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.music-mind.com%2FMusic%2FSrm0077.GIF&hash=1919cf40cf2fae4ccbfbfeb0b9c73998)
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 29, 2012, 11:39:50 AM
I'm fine with it if PARTS of LoS2 are in the present day, but not the whole game. CV needs to have an old-age/oldschool look and feel to it, and putting it in a modern setting just wouldn't have the same atmosphere to it IMHO.

If that chapter list was even remotely true, that sets things up nicely as we could then have flash-forwards/interludes to the present day aftermath without sacrificing the previous era right after LoS1.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 29, 2012, 11:52:37 AM
That's another thing the Coda could be: a flash forward to present day.
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 29, 2012, 11:56:09 AM
could just be more trolling but someone on 4chan quoted the chapter list said it was legit and the person was an asshole for posting it, then said something about the castle being in the deepest circle of hell with flames all around it and it being mercurysteam's best vista and that a trailer on friday is really good. refreshed like a second later and it was already gone. wonder if it was someone in the know and they didnt want to bring more attention to leaks and had second thoughts.

ugh i just need to know about LOS2, even though im pissed that this is the direction of the series i cant help but be drawn to anything CV haha

EDIT: oh found it just had to click back

Quote
This be legit but you're an asshole for posting it.

Castlevania in the deepest circle of hell surrounded by a sea of flames = hottest MS vista to date. They've really fucking outdone themselves this time. Friday's trailer will be hot.

maybe something, maybe not?
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Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2012, 12:24:27 PM
I'm afraid I have to disappoint you guys. From leak guy:
I dunno if it was said yet but the guy who posted that admitted to being full of shit, and it wasn't the same leak guy we trust.
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Post by: LoneChild on May 29, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
Entire LoS 2 in present day? Really? BULLSHIT. I am not buying any of this crap from a 4chan attention whore. Too much of a letdown, and the worst possible direction for the game to develope.

If anything, they will show some more present day scenes just like they did in LoS. But if this rumor turns out to be true... well, you know I'm from Spain, i'll drive to Madrid and give Enric a well earned whipping. This I swear to you guys.

Apart from this, sweet as hell Simon redesign. I'm totally in love with the art direction we are getting from Mercury Steam.

Oh, and by the way, hi again guys (if somebody happens to remember me from the old, old days, that is XD )
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Post by: Vrakanox on May 29, 2012, 01:17:46 PM
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Post by: A-Yty on May 29, 2012, 01:43:00 PM
Oh, and by the way, hi again guys (if somebody happens to remember me from the old, old days, that is XD )

Indeed I do  8)
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on May 29, 2012, 01:50:20 PM
Oh, and by the way, hi again guys (if somebody happens to remember me from the old, old days, that is XD )


I remember you, welcome back. :)
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 29, 2012, 02:22:24 PM
Oh, and by the way, hi again guys (if somebody happens to remember me from the old, old days, that is XD )

Hi there! :3
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 29, 2012, 02:44:52 PM
So it was written somewhere that the climax of MoF sets up LoS2. Yet the article posted in the MoF thread says that MoF is a direct sequel to LoS1, set 25yrs later and starring Trevor.

OK so if the sequel to LoS1 is going to 3DS, then what the hell are we getting for PS3/Xbox?
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 29, 2012, 03:41:23 PM
LoS2, no?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 29, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
Yes. Wasn't it the same guy who broke this game as rumors the one who said MoF was to be an interquel that bridges LoS with LoS2? The reason why people are calling MoF a sequel to LoS is because it technically comes AFTER LoS, but see it like Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, which comes after the first game and takes place before the second.
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Post by: Darkson on May 29, 2012, 04:43:35 PM
Honestly, I'd prefer to play as Gabriel in lords of shadow 2. I'd like his story to be told first before we divulge into different protagonists. I don't mind playing as them in a gaiden game, like what mirror of faith is seemingly going to be, but I'd like to see the end to Gabriel's personal story and what happens to him before we go to different protagonists on the console iterations.

To me, lords of shadow is more of Gabriel's story, and while other characters can show up and be playable, the central character is Gabriel.

Not to mention, I'd prefer him to not end up like Dracula. Showing up in every game like a Saturday morning cartoon villain, saying "blah blah humans bastards blah damn god blah true power blah blah", and getting whipped to death like a bdsm sadist. Dracula just lost his edge over time.

Plus Gabriel distinctly says "es sun Dracul!", I am the dragon. So, since the teaser site distinctly says "the dragon returns" and not "the son of the dragon returns (Dracula)", it'd only make sense for Gabriel to be the playable character in this one
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 29, 2012, 05:16:29 PM
I'll say it now, if LoS2 (or whatever the PS3 game is gonna be called) is set entirely in present day, I'm gonna be FURIOUS.

Have part of it in present day, fine.
Have flash-forwards to present day, fine.

Set the whole game in present day? Wrong.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 29, 2012, 05:21:29 PM
I have a feeling the coda parts of the chapters are a different character and I'm willing to bet it's ...Alucard. Every Coda has a very vampire like title.
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Post by: Darkson on May 29, 2012, 05:28:51 PM
I don't see a reason why it couldn't be set in present day. Aria of sorrow did it fine, and they could explore areas outside of cities and such, like lush jungles in south America or the mountains in India. No doubt we'd see hellish landscapes as well, since lucifer seems to be on the horizon.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 29, 2012, 06:53:49 PM
I don't see a reason why it couldn't be set in present day. Aria of sorrow did it fine, and they could explore areas outside of cities and such, like lush jungles in south America or the mountains in India. No doubt we'd see hellish landscapes as well, since lucifer seems to be on the horizon.
Aria's set in the near future, and it didn't dwell on the present, as the castle itself(which the majority of the game is centered around) is as classically represented as if it was the 1700s. There's a few MORE modern things tossed in DoS(intro in Tokyo, and the cars and vans in the Forgotten Village), but it was still rather classically designed too.

Though, I can't say I'd car for adventures through South American or India. Not interested in a Tomb Raider-vania. Keep the exotic locations for Uncharted, for Castlevania, pour on the gothic darkness, drench that puppy!!
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Post by: Reinhart77 on May 29, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
a modern day game isn't ideal.  dreams of a richer Dracula's Castle are shattered.  but, ever since seeing the epilogue, i've been prepared for the possibility.  i'd just refocus some of the anticipation for the 1999 game towards this one and that should get me by. 
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Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 29, 2012, 07:40:38 PM
I think the will be a modern day LoS sequel, but not for awhile. I think we'll have Mirror of Fate, Los 2, maybe another handheld game and then finally LoS 3 will be Gabriel's final fight against Satan, and that will be set in modern times
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Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
Now that the hype behind Mirror of Fate has settled (until the full scans, direct feed screens and/or footage is released) all eyes are LOS2 now.

Also someone dropped three hints about LOS2. (grain of salt etc.)

Alucard
The flying vampire mask from Simons Quest in HD
A God of War style giant in hell (This one might put a frown on quite a few faces)

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Post by: CastleDan on May 29, 2012, 08:40:52 PM
Now that the hype behind Mirror of Fate has settled (until the full scans, direct feed screens and/or footage is released) all eyes are LOS2 now.

Also someone dropped three hints about LOS2. (grain of salt etc.)

Alucard
The flying vampire mask from Simons Quest in HD
A God of War style giant in hell (This one might put a frown on quite a few faces)

I was saying Alucard will be involved but I'm thinking a Belmont will be too. Switching characters within game..
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Post by: Vrakanox on May 29, 2012, 08:57:28 PM
I was saying Alucard will be involved but I'm thinking a Belmont will be too. Switching characters within game..

With local co-op? Awww yeahhh.
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Post by: Darkson on May 29, 2012, 09:23:10 PM
I just hope that, when things come to the end, that they don't forget to keep the story a good quality. I liked Gabriel's tale and I wish to see more of it
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2012, 09:58:01 PM
I just hope that, when things come to the end, that they don't forget to keep the story a good quality. I liked Gabriel's tale and I wish to see more of it

I agree.

Man I hope they reference Carmilla with Carmilla's mask. It would be awesome to have her like a haunting spirit in the castle
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 29, 2012, 09:59:09 PM
I just hope that, when things come to the end, that they don't forget to keep the story a good quality. I liked Gabriel's tale and I wish to see more of it
I can't say I would. I'm content if they choose to end it with LoS(and DLC). I mean, Gabriel as a hero. They can continue to develope his character as a villain, but I don't want LoS2 to be "The Gabriel Belmont Story: Part 2".
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Post by: e105beta on May 30, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
I can't say I would. I'm content if they choose to end it with LoS(and DLC). I mean, Gabriel as a hero. They can continue to develope his character as a villain, but I don't want LoS2 to be "The Gabriel Belmont Story: Part 2".

In the last game in the Lords of Shadow series, you'll play as Dracula, fight Satan, and redeem yourself in some way, shape, or form.

Whether or not Lords of Shadow 2 is that game we'll find out tomorrow, but I'm calling it now.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 30, 2012, 12:16:07 AM
Since we have Trevor and Simon should we not have a Richter adventure then end it with the modern setting?
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Post by: LoneChild on May 30, 2012, 01:45:46 AM
Sorry, wrong thread.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 30, 2012, 04:29:18 AM
Cox Tweeted that he's on a plane with Lucius Malfoy and Theon Greyjoy.

Hmmm......
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 30, 2012, 05:37:57 AM
was just thinking about some stuff and realized something. look at simon's outfit. the armor is red with a face and sharp teeth across his chest, his gloves are like claws, and the arm/leg bits are scaly. his whip is tangled all around him. together it all kind of reminds me of a dragon. wonder if that ties into the website tease about this game.
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 30, 2012, 05:39:07 AM
Cox Tweeted that he's on a plane with Lucius Malfoy and Theon Greyjoy.

Hmmm......
Jason Isaacs, meaning Satan's back, and Alfie Owen-Allen, who may be a new character (he acts in GoT).

EDIT: Alfie Allen is 25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfie_Allen). Maybe he's Trevor or Simon.
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 30, 2012, 05:42:11 AM
he DID say it was a coincidence. maybe it really is.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 30, 2012, 08:42:06 AM
I can see some Alfie Allen in Simon, just as Gabriel had similar features to Robert Carlyle
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Post by: thernz on May 30, 2012, 09:06:14 AM
was just thinking about some stuff and realized something. look at simon's outfit. the armor is red with a face and sharp teeth across his chest, his gloves are like claws, and the arm/leg bits are scaly. his whip is tangled all around him. together it all kind of reminds me of a dragon. wonder if that ties into the website tease about this game.
Satan is actually Simon's cuirass. All he'll do is crack bad jokes and tell the player what to do.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on May 30, 2012, 02:44:09 PM
Maybe Simon's armor is like Bishimon's from Darkstalkers
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Post by: Darkson on May 30, 2012, 05:05:51 PM
So, if Jason issacs is involved, then no doubt we will see Satan rear his head in this one. Him, Gabriel, and zobek seem to be the central characters of the lords of shadow, so it isn't really a surprise.

I just hope they give enough info on Thursday night. I'd like to know if I have to wait another four years or so to play as Gabriel once again.
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Post by: Dremn on May 30, 2012, 07:42:08 PM
Hey guys. It's the 31st in an hour and a halfish.

Perhaps something may happen at midnight.


www.thedragonreturns.com (http://www.thedragonreturns.com)
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Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 30, 2012, 07:53:23 PM
I think the konami Facebook had an image that said 10:30 PM PST, so probably nothing til then
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Post by: Dremn on May 30, 2012, 08:00:10 PM
I think the konami Facebook had an image that said 10:30 PM PST, so probably nothing til then
That was for their E3 conference, but you're probably right.

Would be nice if we got another teaser before the show though.
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Post by: Flame on May 30, 2012, 11:18:11 PM
It's already the 31st here.

The suspense is killing meeeeeee.
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Post by: Dremn on May 30, 2012, 11:21:45 PM
NOTHING HAPPENED

KONAMIIIIIIII

I should have expected it, oh well. Only a few more hours left guys.
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 30, 2012, 11:26:47 PM
Haha, I'm sure my timezone will be in June when it'll start.  ;D
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 01:04:44 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftrendygamers.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2Fakonamipre1.jpg&hash=70e738991da00f7c3575d82f16502c3b)



Coughs.....

Alucard first picture?......>_>
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Post by: shelverton. on May 31, 2012, 01:08:25 PM
Isn't that teaser site gonna open its gate (literally) soon? It's almost June 1st here now, in two hours to be precise. It's gonna happen here in the middle of the night when i'm fast asleep :(
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 01:11:37 PM
Alucard

or

Gabriel as dracula...


Who do you think that pic is?
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Post by: Mr.Bushido on May 31, 2012, 01:13:33 PM
trevor as alucard
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Post by: thernz on May 31, 2012, 01:30:52 PM
Lance Bean.
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Post by: crisis on May 31, 2012, 01:37:11 PM
thernz alway spreading disinfo mann!!! sheesh


please, let the game actually live up to the hype this time. prunyuu
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Post by: Kingshango on May 31, 2012, 01:37:58 PM
Contra rebooted as a third person cover based vampire hunting game.

IT'S A HARD CORPS REMAKE FOLKS!


Castlevania cameo in Contra Hard Corps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnsDLuBhf3s#)
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Post by: Mr.Bushido on May 31, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
i remember someone here asking for a contra reboot with gameplay ala gears of war

damn
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 31, 2012, 01:47:39 PM
no no no contra reboots please its the only classic series that still alive as it is pleaaaaaassssseeeeeeeee donnnnn't
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Post by: Kingshango on May 31, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
Dont worry the Contra reboot wont be a vampire shooting game.




It is unfortunatly going be a third person Gears of War clone though. :(
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Post by: Munchy on May 31, 2012, 01:57:39 PM

It is unfortunatly going be a third person Gears of War clone though. :(

 :'( :'( :'(

I'm still holding out some hope for this not to be the case. The last three modern Contras were pretty awesome.
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 02:00:35 PM
Has to be Gabriel.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 31, 2012, 02:10:05 PM
Has to be Gabriel.

Our leaker friend say's it is Gabriel and that the full image has Alucard with him.

We'll know soon enough.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 02:12:25 PM
Our leaker friend say's it is Gabriel and that the full image has Alucard with him.

We'll know soon enough.

If Alucard uses a whip in the game I will be disappointed. I hope they give us equipment to find, and weapons to get. It'd be nice with some variety for a change. I could see them bringin vampire transformations back like in symphony of the night. Imagine running around as a wolf!
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I don't think the game will be taking place in modern times unless time travel is involved.

Gabriel looks pretty young in that promo shot, he was decrepit and way past his time in the epilogue.
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Post by: crisis on May 31, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
Do you think St. Germain will be reimagined? prolly not, but I did like his character way better than "Aeon"
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Post by: e105beta on May 31, 2012, 02:49:14 PM
I don't think the game will be taking place in modern times unless time travel is involved.

Gabriel looks pretty young in that promo shot, he was decrepit and way past his time in the epilogue.

Link to the promo shot?
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Post by: flyingchai on May 31, 2012, 03:00:10 PM
Quote
Our leaker friend say's it is Gabriel and that the full image has Alucard with him.

Alucard being the wolf that's stalking him in Cox's pic, maybe?
Oh the anticipation!!
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 31, 2012, 03:05:51 PM
Do you think St. Germain will be reimagined? prolly not, but I did like his character way better than "Aeon"
That's an interesting idea. Though, I have to admit, I'd love for Cox and Alvarez to tone down the "reboot cameo" thing. I want to see some more NEW Belmonts like Gabriel. I don't want all the Belmonts(or what ever Belmonts will be present in THIS series) to be named after the ones in the original series. I wouldn't be against seeing a Steven/Stephen Belmont, a Michael Belmont, a Joseph Belmont or, like I said in the other thread, a Richard Belmont.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on May 31, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
I'm down for new Belmonts. However, depending on how Simon and Trevor are handled it could be interesting to see Cox take on other Belmonts.
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Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 03:52:55 PM
I... Kinda want a MS Julius Belmont for the Modern day part of the story...
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Post by: Reinhart77 on May 31, 2012, 04:36:15 PM
i think i'm gonna be surprised if the game doesn't take place in modern age.  the reason is that i'm betting that MS doesn't know how many more Castlevania games they're gonna make in the future, and they want to tell a complete story.  if they don't end up making any more past LOS2, that'll leave us hanging at LOS1's epilogue. 

i think the three LoS games together will tell a complete story.  Gabriel defeating Lords of Shadow and Satan [LoS], becoming Dracula [LoS DLC], getting beaten by four Belmonts at 100 year intervals [MoF], "giving up" (because he knows he can't win, he's not as evil as he used to be, he just wants to die, and/or he's just waiting for the Belmont Clan to die out) and stays in a hole for 500 years [LoS Epilogue], and then fighting Satan for the off chance that he'll be able to die [LoS2], and probably getting redeemed in the end [LoS2 or 3]. 

any games that come later would then be a sequel to LoS2 in the new era, or a prequel, or fill some gap between the three games. 

of course, who knows how many games MS is planning on making, but that's what i'm going to expect.
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Post by: Belmont Stakes on May 31, 2012, 05:32:32 PM
When is this site going to open? I wonder if they will have more of the lesser enemies in this game that are indigenous to the earlier titles. Open up already!!!!!):(
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 05:33:20 PM
Link to the promo shot?

I posted it a page or so back...

it's the pre-e3 promo shot and you can see a vampire in the image.
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Post by: shelverton. on May 31, 2012, 06:40:07 PM

I can't wait any longer. Going insane. I've already played a couple of stages from the original Castlevania, Super Castlevania 4, Dracula's Curse and Rondo if Blood in the last few hours, but now I'm playing - wait for it - KRUSTY'S SUPER FUN HOUSE, just to get my mind off Castlevania for a while. Guiding mice to their doom is surprisingly effective.

"Castlevania: The Dragon Failed to Return before Shelverton's bedtime" is what this game is now officially called. Good night folks!
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 06:41:13 PM
Link to the promo shot?
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftrendygamers.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2Fakonamipre1.jpg&hash=70e738991da00f7c3575d82f16502c3b)
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Post by: xscientist5000 on May 31, 2012, 06:48:48 PM
Is that shot def related to CV? Whats with the computer chip background on it?
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Post by: Kingshango on May 31, 2012, 06:58:06 PM
The computer stuff is on all of the Konami posters.
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Post by: MKKhanzo on May 31, 2012, 07:19:30 PM
Semi leak at Kotaku (dont know if old)

http://kotaku.com/castlevania/ (http://kotaku.com/castlevania/)
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on May 31, 2012, 07:21:57 PM
5/31/2012? Maybe their waiting till midnight...Wouldn't it be something if the door opened and Kid Drac came out!
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 07:24:09 PM
Why can't it be 1amish now....
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 07:27:24 PM
HNNNNGGGGGNNN ONLY 3 HOURS LEFT
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Post by: Reinhart77 on May 31, 2012, 08:10:08 PM
5/31/2012? Maybe their waiting till midnight...Wouldn't it be something if the door opened and Kid Drac came out!
that was random.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 31, 2012, 09:18:53 PM
Man I got the feeling something is gonna leak out a hour ahead and we're all gonna freak.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 09:25:01 PM
We're already an hour ahead  ;D
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Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 09:32:29 PM
Well if something leaks it certainly wont be from 4chan, because they are currently suffering a DDoS attack.
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 09:35:24 PM
Man I got the feeling something is gonna leak out a hour ahead and we're all gonna freak.
Well GTTV did leak Lords 2 is a real thing.

...that's about it.

Half hour left until Spike's thing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 09:38:37 PM
Well if something leaks it certainly wont be from 4chan, because they are currently suffering a DDoS attack.
Busters busted  8)
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Post by: flyingchai on May 31, 2012, 09:45:39 PM
:yawn: Laying in bed on my iPad waiting for this. We can tough this out....
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on May 31, 2012, 09:47:11 PM
here's hoping they show mega man legends 3
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Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 09:50:20 PM
here's hoping they show mega man legends 3
That wound still hurts...
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Post by: crisis on May 31, 2012, 09:51:08 PM
Quote
:yawn: Laying in bed on my iPad waiting for this. We can tough this out....

wow you have an ipad?  :o
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 09:56:51 PM
4 minutes until Spike.

Time to moonwalk downstairs and turn on the TV.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 10:00:54 PM
i heard a rumor that they really outdid themselves with this game and how it looks..

We will see! :D
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Post by: crisis on May 31, 2012, 10:02:32 PM
LoS2 logo looks pretty cool!
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
Whip confirmed... a glowing one..
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Post by: REmaster on May 31, 2012, 10:03:53 PM
It's been awhile guys, but I've been lurking everyday since my last post(right before LOS dlc finally released?). My eyeballs are melting from staring at this damn door for the past six hours. Tuning to Spike as well.
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Post by: Punishment on May 31, 2012, 10:05:44 PM
in 9 minutes NEW castlevania!
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 31, 2012, 10:06:33 PM
The tiny blurb they showed during the lead-in looked great. Logo was very cool and the quick shot of whoever fighting an army of zombies/skeletons? Looked great.

9 mins til the full unveiling...
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Post by: Little Dracula on May 31, 2012, 10:06:54 PM
From NEOGAF to watch spike tv now.

http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/spike-tv-live-stream (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/spike-tv-live-stream)

after you press click here to watch stream, you have to click the player, a new tab will open, close that and it should start loading/buffering.
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 31, 2012, 10:08:13 PM
Whoah...Gabe vamping out! Wicked :)
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 10:08:51 PM
This game is gonna be so much better and more castlevania than the last one.

just seeing gabriel become .....dracula.... looked SICK..

Show us the trailer NOW!!!!
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Post by: crisis on May 31, 2012, 10:08:59 PM
Gabriel/Dracula has the DMC3 Dante style of wearing a coat without an undershirt

story developing...
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
Stream plz! :'(

Edit: Nevermind
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Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 10:10:42 PM
http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/spike-tv-live-stream (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/spike-tv-live-stream)
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
OMG OMG OMG
Too excited  ;D
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 10:16:12 PM
I cannot freaking see it  >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 31, 2012, 10:17:08 PM
WOW...

Was that Alucard at the end with the sword?
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 10:17:21 PM
A-A-A-A-A----Alucard

OMG my heart pumped too much
DAT MUSIC
DAT CINEMATICS
DAT DRACULA
DAT ALUCARD
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 10:17:37 PM
I wanted to see the castlevania aspects of it...

but pretty awesome that...Alucard is pretty much the main character.
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Post by: crisis on May 31, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
uploading screencaps now
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Post by: e105beta on May 31, 2012, 10:17:59 PM
Holy

Fucking

Shit
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Post by: Little Dracula on May 31, 2012, 10:18:06 PM
OMG, amazing trailer, all CG, but god, so epic.
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Post by: REmaster on May 31, 2012, 10:18:28 PM
WOW.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 10:18:41 PM
Anyone else pissed that ...there's no vita or wii u version like rumored?...

sighs
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Post by: Francis on May 31, 2012, 10:18:49 PM
This trailer is Aaawsome  :o

i like the logo too
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Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 10:19:05 PM
That Gabe design is really neat.

And yeah, thats pretty much confirmed as Alucard.

Is there any rumor as to how the Alucard thing works for LoS 2?

Also, I guess this means "The Dragon Returns"... isnt... actually the name..?

Also that damn fucking door STILL hasnt opened...
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Post by: Darkson on May 31, 2012, 10:19:16 PM
So it seems that we may get to play as both Gabriel and alucard
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 31, 2012, 10:19:33 PM
That was impressive! So did he just wipe out the remainder of the Brotherhood? What was with the Golem/Titan thing?

And of course...Alucard.

How far after LoS1 does this take place? There was no hint of any castle, just the church at the beginning.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Wonrei on May 31, 2012, 10:20:18 PM
So yeah, Alucard has a sword. Is everyone happy now
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Post by: Francis on May 31, 2012, 10:20:38 PM
I think it take in past.
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 10:21:26 PM
WOW.

That was WAY better than I expected, holy SHIT.

Playable Dracula might be a really cool thing after all, and ALUCARD!
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
That was impressive! So did he just wipe out the remainder of the Brotherhood? What was with the Golem/Titan thing?

And of course...Alucard.

How far after LoS1 does this take place? There was no hint of any castle, just the church at the beginning.
Wut? It was a City-Sized Castle!

And I guess the game will be played from both perspectives.

And, oh surprise, Dracula LOOKS POWERFUL.
THAT'S A FIRST IN THE SERIES  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
So yeah, Alucard has a sword. Is everyone happy now

No i wanted a vita version!
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Post by: e105beta on May 31, 2012, 10:22:36 PM
Wut? It was a City-Sized Castle!

And I guess the game will be played from both perspectives.

And, oh surprise, Dracula LOOKS POWERFUL.
THAT'S A FIRST IN THE SERIES  ;D ;D ;D

That trailer made Dracula seem super intimidating.

Makes his state at the end of LoS even more shameful.
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 31, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
Anyone else get a Lord of the Rings vibe to the mass genocide of those knights? The opening scene to Fellowship of the Ring where Sauron comes out of his tower & starts wiping out people in all directions looked awfully similar.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 31, 2012, 10:23:16 PM
I know you guys are in awe and all but:

Screencaps for those who couldn't see?
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Post by: crisis on May 31, 2012, 10:23:26 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2F6d4e0ab1.jpg&hash=bae53797e4113e49b4ccef1204261e18)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2F07ebdee3.jpg&hash=d7f70d7f6253afc999e4083777b227d6)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2F041f1128.jpg&hash=c5f8771bbcf2404985d6c6b769cee4a8)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2F502604c2.jpg&hash=8f85fe8347af50101664f500548736d4)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Fbd07a164.jpg&hash=d3e66965fc2db3152d5dec62d851ad68)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Fbd07a164.jpg&hash=d3e66965fc2db3152d5dec62d851ad68)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2F3a0ffbec.jpg&hash=fbd74e61c2994972c83e216d2b461ba9)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2F38a3ba33.jpg&hash=8a62090e2682bb9a90e7fc17c41abdfe)
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Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 10:24:35 PM
And, oh surprise, Dracula LOOKS POWERFUL.
THAT'S A FIRST IN THE SERIES  ;D ;D ;D

WHATS THIS? DRACULA GETTING HIS HANDS DIRTY AND ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING ON THE FRONT LINES, MANO A VAMPIRE POWERS?

WHAT BLASPHEMY IS THIS
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Post by: e105beta on May 31, 2012, 10:24:45 PM
Anyone else get a Lord of the Rings vibe to the mass genocide of those knights? The opening scene to Fellowship of the Ring where Sauron comes out of his tower & starts wiping out people in all directions looked awfully similar.

It actually seemed a little ridiculous to me, yes. I started getting worried that the game would just be Dynasty Warriors Dracula, but then Alucard showed up.

Alucard.

ALUCARD!
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Post by: REmaster on May 31, 2012, 10:25:08 PM
That Gabe design is really neat.

Yea I love how they incorporated part of his old costume into the new one, since he's no longer the noble knight Gabriel, nor the complete legendary Dracula. He needs a couple more centuries to fully embrace the Dracula look lol.
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
That logo is sexy as fuck, and I REALLY like the new Dracula. Like, A LOT.
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Post by: Wonrei on May 31, 2012, 10:25:34 PM
That Alucard white hair on the last picture
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 31, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
I didn't get "city sized castle" from the trailer. It looked more like a big cathedral surrounded by a huge outer wall & some towers. Then thousands of knights tried to storm it and were slaughtered....thats what I'm seeing unless I'm hallucinating.
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Post by: RichterB on May 31, 2012, 10:25:58 PM
Castlevania: The Game of the Movie PART II!  :P

Ok, cinematically, that trailer was amazing. But the content felt like an extension of Lords of Shadows, rather than Castlevania. It seems to hint at a return to Alucard (maybe created during Mirror of Fate?), but that doesn't make me jump for joy, either. No gameplay shown and no classic music hinted at makes me nervous, too. The logo is really cool, though. (But I imagine people will be upset with it simply adding a "2" to the title).

Basically, this was a non-trailer. All we (maybe learned) is that Alucard will be a part of it, and Dracula now has a whip. (Which raises the possibility of playing both Dracula and Alucard...and now I see what people were saying about having a Belmont be Dracula as being disturbing).
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 10:26:05 PM
I'm surprised on how they respected the Alucard design (Yeah we haven't seen his face.. until 30 minutes from now, that is) you can already picture how he'll look, long flowing hair and all.
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 10:26:31 PM
Yea I love how they incorporated part of his old costume into the new one, since he's no longer the noble knight Gabriel, nor the complete legendary Dracula. He needs a couple more centuries to fully embrace the Dracula look lol.
Yeah he really looks like a "Lord of Shadow" now.

ALSO FUCK GODDAMN TRIED POSTING 4 TIMES
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Post by: MKKhanzo on May 31, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
UNINSPIRED would be my thought. its just... IDK, more of the same? (not the same as LoS, the same as EVERY hack n slash everywhere). And a giant wooden mech? LOL and ppl moan about CV64 biker skeletons...

I will wait to see more gameplay. Im more excited for MoF but again, 2 CV games? wow. Just too much, too good, even NOT being a MS-Vania fan.
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Post by: e105beta on May 31, 2012, 10:28:53 PM
UNINSPIRED would be my thought. its just... IDK, more of the same? (not the same as LoS, the same as EVERY hack n slash everywhere). And a giant wooden mech? LOL and ppl moan about CV64 biker skeletons...

I will wait to see more gameplay. Im more excited for MoF but again, 2 CV games? wow. Just too much, too good, even NOT being a MS-Vania fan.

I'm not letting you kill my boner.
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Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 10:29:23 PM
Need to see gameplay of LoS2 ASAP.

I wonder what happened to the Belmonts in MoF since they weren't in that trailer.
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Post by: Wonrei on May 31, 2012, 10:29:49 PM
I'm surprised on how they respected the Alucard design (Yeah we haven't seen his face.. until 30 minutes from now, that is) you can already picture how he'll look, long flowing hair and all.
(click to show/hide)

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
Cannot freaking wait to see it on gttv tonight it comes on at 1:00 shit my body is getting all tingly
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Post by: MKKhanzo on May 31, 2012, 10:31:08 PM
I'm not letting you kill my boner.

And i dont want to! Sorry if I sounded harsh its just my opinion. Again didnt wanted to offend anyone.
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 31, 2012, 10:31:12 PM
The host said Gametrailers will have an extended version of the Metal Gear trailer. Any chance we'll get one for LoS2 soon?

The look Gabe gave Alucard sure seemed like he expected him to show up...so I wonder if that will be set up in MoF? Who knows. It kinda reminded me of the Hector/Isaac standoff in CoD.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 10:31:24 PM
(click to show/hide)
Yep that's why I think :)
I hope we get to play as
(click to show/hide)
Quote
Any chance we'll get one for LoS2 soon?
At konami's conference starting.. now?
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Post by: MKKhanzo on May 31, 2012, 10:32:27 PM
What a BEAUTIFULL night to have a Curse  ;D
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Post by: Reinhart77 on May 31, 2012, 10:32:49 PM
all i can say is "yay!", "hurray".  glad there was something to see before heading to bed.  glad i was wrong about modern-day-vania.  pulling out Alucard will be great after playing some Belmonts on the 3DS.
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Post by: Wonrei on May 31, 2012, 10:33:03 PM
Yep that's why I think :)
I hope we get to play as
(click to show/hide)
At konami's conference starting.. now?

Yeah, and that would kind of explain why they didn't talk about the other 2 characters on Nintendo Power.
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Post by: Little Dracula on May 31, 2012, 10:33:09 PM
Press conference live now, prerecorded.

http://events.konami.com/ (http://events.konami.com/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on May 31, 2012, 10:34:11 PM
Well they COULD have a longer trailer ready to go and only gave SpikeTV the short version. That's probably wishful thinking but I just wanna see some gameplay.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 10:35:04 PM
The game comes out in 2013, perhaps this is just a tease while they concentrate on Mirror.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 31, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
of course the trailer could always just be the prologue video for the game, perhaps taking place even before MoF.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on May 31, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
Yeah it was just a TEASER trailer, of course they aren't gonna show gameplay in a teaser people. That's what full trailers are for.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 10:37:32 PM
HD VERSION
E3 2012: Exclusive Debut Trailer HD - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-castlevania-lords/730750)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Wonrei on May 31, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
Whips crack and war rages as a familiar stranger enters the battlefield in Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2.
That description
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 31, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
thanks for posting the video.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 10:45:58 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGsfBt.png&hash=9caffd062beddd9f975550512c9563ca)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 31, 2012, 10:46:59 PM
That was a pretty cool trailer, I'll have to admit. Love the darkness of it. Let there be eternal night now that the Dark Lord has reign!

Though, I'm more interested in if Cox carried over LoS's criticism and worked it into this game. I WANNA see GAMEPLAY!!! Here's hoping the rumor was true that there's SOME form of playable demo on the floor(they said both CV games might have a playable demo).

Also, hope to hear some classic CV tunes. Considering Alucard's there, would love to hear an arrangement of "Dracula's Castle".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Wonrei on May 31, 2012, 10:47:52 PM
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So... I wonder what will Simon do on Los 2?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 31, 2012, 10:50:50 PM
The Gametrailers trailer is probably extended.
Check the "Spike TV" thread for some quick pix I took of the trailer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 10:51:16 PM
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So... I wonder what will Simon do on Los 2?

At least Alucard has a damn sword, I only hope this means we get upgrades and new equipment. In-depth adventure for the win.

Super disappointed that it's NOT coming out for vita. Screw you Paul Gate's  network...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 10:52:53 PM
I completely believe the Trevor=Alucard theory now. It really does look like him.

I have this feeling Simon won't even be in LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Darkson on May 31, 2012, 10:56:01 PM
I wonder....
Is it possible that, if we do play as both Gabriel and alucard, that in the end, alucard dies?
Perhaps that is what drives Gabriel into a deep depression, one so deep that he'd forgo blood for over a hundred years?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Sumac on May 31, 2012, 10:58:20 PM
Very impressive. Finally we see why Dracula is leader of the dark forces. And I think its the first time in the series, where personally do something instead of yapping and sitting on the throne.

And Alucard...interesting. Interesting.

Is it me or the music in the trailer, before Drcaula opens the door to the balkony, sounds a lot like SCV4 music?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 10:59:23 PM
Guys and girls the wait totally worth it.  F@@k my mind is full of I cannot even make a good sentence right now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Black Cat on May 31, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
Trailer is awesome. I'm not a fan of the Alucard=Trevor theory though. I don't like the idea of either character replacing the other or being merged so to speak. Still gonna wait for a decent profile pic before jumping to any conclusions.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vrakanox on May 31, 2012, 11:04:13 PM
Well I got everything I wanted. I'm so happy I stayed up for this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on May 31, 2012, 11:04:45 PM
Finally saw it, my thoughts:

Wish it wasn't CGI, at least the first LOS1 trailer had gameplay clips every 3 seconds. It was good CGI but still....CGI

I knew this Dracula wouldn't be the type to sit on his throne and let his undead army to do the job, he's the warlord, wipe out entire armies by himself type I pictured him to be and he didn't disappoint (imo). Also, it might be me but he really resembles the Undertaker.

As for Alucard....he has a sword!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kaori on May 31, 2012, 11:06:46 PM
It was nice watching that on my flatscreen TV, lol. I never watch Spike TV either, but I had to watch it on TV. I could have watched the stream online, but why do that when you can watch it on TV?  :P

Now that I'm not busy anymore (was completely multitasking while watching that) I have to admit, that trailer looked pretty awesome. And I'll admit...I did get excited watching that trailer, especially seeing Alucard at the end! However, I'm being cautious until I see more on LoS2. I don't want to completely freak out and then find out I dislike LoS2. I still want to see more about MoF though.

E3, please...PLEASE come already! The wait is killing me. I want to know more about this stuff now!  >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on May 31, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
If...
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I'm nervous we're getting more of the same in the end. We already see that the titans are back. It's graphically interesting, albeit still in the range of "Game of the Hollywood Movie"; but I am nervous about the gameplay/camera/level design being substantially different.

I joked/warned that little cosmetic changes or shout-outs (ala Alucard) would change minds to go all in without a second thought, but I also said that that is not nearly enough for LoS to succeed in the way it needs to for the franchise's future. Fundamental work needs to be done at square one, and we can't let the "fan" within us to get ahead of "reason." That made LoS a real killjoy.

So far, Mirror of Fate is the more intriguing entry. But we'll see...

Is it me or the music in the trailer, before Drcaula opens the door to the balkony, sounds a lot like SCV4 music?

Vaguely in the droning, but not really.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 11:08:02 PM
Tralier is already up on youtube





Castlevania : Lords of Shadow 2 Official Reveal Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX61xHaHjA#ws)


Much better now for some reason on gt my computer slows down especially when it's hd, but not on yt.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Wonrei on May 31, 2012, 11:10:54 PM
I find it interesting that after becoming a vampire Trevor stopped using the combat cross and started using a sword. And Simon, his descendant, uses a whip. Lots of interesting stuff are going to happen on MoF, it seems.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 31, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
Very impressive. Finally we see why Dracula is leader of the dark forces. And I think its the first time in the series, where personally do something instead of yapping and sitting on the throne.
I think original CV Dracula gets a bad rap. Sure he's defeated a lot, but to be fair, he's defeated by the most powerful of warriors(both vampire hunters at the peak of their strength and other heroes of supernatural origins). Any layman would perish in his wake. I never see it as original Drac being a pussy, but that the original Belmonts are just that more dedicated and badass, that they are willing to nip his threats at the bud.

I completely believe the Trevor=Alucard theory now. It really does look like him.

I have this feeling Simon won't even be in LoS2.
It depends WHEN LOS2 takes place. Oddly enough, I'm wondering, if the theories are correct, maybe this is LoS series's take on the whole CV3/1476 era. In LoS's world history, this would be when Dracula's ruling Romania.

I'm also kinda wondering if, considering Simon, they plan on making HIS segment take place earlier than in the original timeline. He COULD very well be present, just not in that scene(as someone mentioned, it DOES feel like a CG intro to the game). That could also mean he meets Alucard in HIS time(in MoF), but isn't aware who Alucard is.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Munchy on May 31, 2012, 11:11:29 PM
Not too surprised at Gabeula having a whip. Someone needs to fill the archetypical "evil dude who fights like you" slot since Pan got offed. Should make an interesting boss fight.

Still more excited for MoF ATM.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 11:11:43 PM
Nah...I totally get Super Castlevania 4 vibe musically at the very beginning.

it's got this string sound The Waterfall: Super Castlevania 4 Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgit8zlIupo#) and type of melody..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on May 31, 2012, 11:11:58 PM
http://events.konami.com/ (http://events.konami.com/) 29:54, artwork/music teaser trailer for Mirror of Fate, on the floor at e3 June 5th.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 31, 2012, 11:13:16 PM
This news is so good I actually updated the main site (http://www.castlevaniadungeon.net/dungeon.html)!
On time, even! :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
I'm also kinda wondering if, considering Simon, they plan on making HIS segment take place earlier than in the original timeline. He COULD very well be present, just not in that scene(as someone mentioned, it DOES feel like a CG intro to the game). That could also mean he meets Alucard in HIS time(in MoF), but isn't aware who Alucard is.
I like the sound of this. Perhaps this is Dracs first resurrection (after Trevor kills him in MoF) and that's why he smiles at Alucard (because he just recognized him). Perhaps Simon is the main Belmont in this time, and that's where the MoF connection comes into play.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 11:18:36 PM
This news is so good I actually updated the main site[]!
On time, even! :P  (http://www.castlevaniadungeon.net/dungeon.html)

Also updated the likes/favorites with LoS2  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on May 31, 2012, 11:18:51 PM
Tralier is already up on youtube





Castlevania : Lords of Shadow 2 Official Reveal Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX61xHaHjA#ws)


Much better now for some reason on gt my computer slows down especially when it's hd, but not on yt.
OMG!!!!! TOTALLY WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: REmaster on May 31, 2012, 11:19:42 PM
Well I got everything I wanted. I'm so happy I stayed up for this.

Same here, it was worth it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 11:21:04 PM
I feel like that entire teaser was just a big introduction to the new Dracula.

Fuck I seriously can't believe that was Castlevania, now I really want Mercury Steam to continue with the series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vrakanox on May 31, 2012, 11:22:03 PM
Just so much speculation now. I don't even know where to start thinking about all this. Both games are going to be godly. So it's like in LoS2 we get Alucard the badass half vampire and Gabriel Belmont who fights with a flame whip but is also a vampire. I don't know, I hope at some point we play as a true Belmont again but I'm content. Just wish Gabriels pants weren't so lame. Also need more info on MoF.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 31, 2012, 11:22:19 PM
I like the sound of this. Perhaps this is Dracs first resurrection (after Trevor kills him in MoF) and that's why he smiles at Alucard (because he just recognized him). Perhaps Simon is the main Belmont in this time, and that's where the MoF connection comes into play.
AND, perhaps the human Belmonts still remain a force throughout the years. If Simon is Trevor's ancestor, perhaps Trevor fathers a child who'd bare the Belmont name. A human child, which gives rise to generations of Belmont warriors(whom Simon will eventually be born from). But, after, like Gabriel, he is transformed into a dark form, and becomes Alucard. The parallels between Gabriel and Trevor could be pretty amazing if done right.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 11:24:48 PM
Well I got everything I wanted. I'm so happy I stayed up for this.

This was one hell of an tralier I cannot wait for more infact I cannot stop watching this!!!  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 31, 2012, 11:25:08 PM
It's..they're actually calling it Lords of Shadow 2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on May 31, 2012, 11:26:06 PM
Castlevania lords of shadow strikes back...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
AND, perhaps the human Belmonts still remain a force throughout the years. If Simon is Trevor's ancestor, perhaps Trevor fathers a child who'd bare the Belmont name. A human child, which gives rise to generations of Belmont warriors(whom Simon will eventually be born from). But, after, like Gabriel, he is transformed into a dark form, and becomes Alucard. The parallels between Gabriel and Trevor could be pretty amazing if done right.
Wow man you hyped me hard.

I think the best part of this trailer was Dracula. Now, that's a villain I want to fight.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 11:27:17 PM
I really hope we get a WiiU version.

Crossing my fingers so hard right now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on May 31, 2012, 11:27:48 PM
Castlevania lords of shadow strikes back...

More lordier, more shadowy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 11:28:37 PM
Here is a tralier for MoF


Castlevania: Lords of Shadow -- Mirror of Fate teaser trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJW8UQztwto#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Mr.Bushido on May 31, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
I don't know what to think as for now, I like the dark atmosphere though, but I'm still more excited about MoF
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
That MoF thing should not be called a trailer , and yeah, it hints to the oh-now-we-know twist we are talking about hahaha
Still, post it on MOF's thread ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 31, 2012, 11:31:56 PM
Well, I'll be honest I'm a little on the fence with this one. The trailer looked cool but cool trailers don't make good games. I'm going to have to hear more about this to be really impressed and give my true thoughts. I'm mostly worried about everyones Alucard theory. While some people like the idea, I for one am not one of those people. I think I'm more excited for MoF honestly. However, with time maybe something will change my mind and blow me away.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: REmaster on May 31, 2012, 11:32:30 PM
Castlevania overload  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 31, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
Here is a tralier for MoF


Castlevania: Lords of Shadow -- Mirror of Fate teaser trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJW8UQztwto#ws)

This should go in the Mirror of Fate thread.
Keep the information proper, guys!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 11:34:55 PM
This should go in the Mirror of Fate thread.
Keep the information proper, guys!


That MoF thing should not be called a trailer , and yeah, it hints to the oh-now-we-know twist we are talking about hahaha
Still, post it on MOF's thread ;)

Posted it there already Jorge  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 31, 2012, 11:36:59 PM
I saw it.  We're all moving at very high velocities, but I meant the discussion thread (though the fact thread was indeed updated).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 31, 2012, 11:38:12 PM
I think the best part of this trailer was Dracula. Now, that's a villain I want to fight.
LOL, interesting side bit, I watched the trailer muted and played Ozzy Osbourne's "Bark at the Moon" from the start of the Konami logo, and it felt pretty damn epic(some of the musical cues even were on sync with the action).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 11:39:01 PM
I saw it.  We're all moving at very high velocities, but I meant the discussion thread (though the fact thread was indeed updated).

Very true it's crazy things are popping up every where I am going to check on the dragons return site right now to see if the gates have opened.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 11:39:49 PM
Oh Jorge, i see youve added LoS 2 to the games list!

I REALLY love the logo for it- What with the Dragon.

Speaking of which, LoS should probably get it's spot in the games section of the main site, no?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 31, 2012, 11:41:57 PM
Thanks!
I figured I'd actually do something on time, this time.
 :D

I happened to have caught that logo with my camera.  The editing was a nice job.
I will see about adding something to the site's Games section.
Modifying the site is quite challenging, which is why updates have been as slow as molasses (to existing sections).
I usually just modify the What's New and Dungeon pages.
But yes, I should make a LoS2 and MoF section.

REQUEST:
Can someone make a thread with "Just the facts" about this game, all compiled (and with as little 'discussion' as possible) so I can sticky it alongside the 3DS one?
I'd appreciate it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vrakanox on May 31, 2012, 11:42:54 PM
AND, perhaps the human Belmonts still remain a force throughout the years. If Simon is Trevor's ancestor, perhaps Trevor fathers a child who'd bare the Belmont name. A human child, which gives rise to generations of Belmont warriors(whom Simon will eventually be born from). But, after, like Gabriel, he is transformed into a dark form, and becomes Alucard. The parallels between Gabriel and Trevor could be pretty amazing if done right.

I'm starting to think this is what the story is going to be and maybe we will even have a Belmont character to play as fighting against Gabula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 11:45:55 PM
Thanks!

 


REQUEST:
Can someone make a thread with "Just the facts" about this game, all compiled (and with as little 'discussion' as possible) so I can sticky it alongside the 3DS one?
I'd appreciate it.

Done
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on May 31, 2012, 11:46:21 PM
Yes, except no facts were added at all...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on May 31, 2012, 11:47:55 PM
Yes, except no facts were added at all...

Rushed it my bad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: KaZudra on May 31, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
anyone else hyped over Undertaker/Dracula?
How about Hector/Alucard?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 31, 2012, 11:53:44 PM
Yes, except no facts were added at all...
Bu-b-b-ut Jorge! I updated the OP with the ONLY confirmed news we have at the moment :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 31, 2012, 11:55:31 PM
I do like how he acts like a vampire though. I thought the Iga games were lacking in the biting of the neck.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 31, 2012, 11:57:10 PM
anyone else hyped over Undertaker/Dracula?
How about Hector/Alucard?
Is it just me or does his facial hair seem a little more defined than in LoS. LoS, he seems to be getting a facial shadow. Here, he looks like he's decided that he's going to eventually grow it out, which would be interesting, considering all the historic pictures of Dracula had him with that wild stache!

One thing I REALLY like about Gabula is his long coat. Viewing the embroidery and designs ont he back, it's pretty damn regal looking.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on May 31, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
Mercury Steam did say LoS 2 would be using a new engine, I'm expecting it to look 100x better than LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thr
Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 12:01:00 AM
anyone else hyped over Undertaker/Dracula?


So im not the only one who thought Dracula looked like The Undertaker, especially his "Ministry of Darkness" look.

He looks great though, so hyped (and somewhat afraid ) to fight him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:01:27 AM
Did someone noticed.. there was NOT a KojiPro logo?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:03:18 AM
Did someone noticed.. there was NOT a KojiPro logo?
They don't need it anymore.

Man are we really gonna be playing as Gabriel AND Alucard? How is this gonna work?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: GuyStarwind on June 01, 2012, 12:08:03 AM
Here's an idea.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thr
Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 12:10:11 AM
Call me crazy but I don't think we'll be playing as Gabriel this time seeing that he's pretty much overpowered (understatement) my guess is that Alucard will be the hero.

And I don't think Trevor and Alucard are one in the same, wasn't that debunked by our "insider"?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 12:10:59 AM
this is how i think the timeline will work out:
1. gabriel becomes a vampire post-LOS DLC
2. trevor is raised by the order and his identity is kept secret from gabriel, as is gabriel's from him
3. gabriel occupies bernhard castle and begins to gain a reputation as "the dragon," dracul
4. trevor is trained by the order with the ultimate goal of defeating dracul
5. trevor fathers a child at some point, thus continuing the belmont line
6. trevor invades the castle in MOF, fights dracul, discovers he's actually his father, and is turned
7. knowing that he's "the son of the dragon," dracula, he mirrors his name in protest and becomes alucard
8. dracul continues his reign of terror, but alucard returns in LOS2 to try and take him down again
9. the belmont line continues through trevor's offspring, eventually giving birth to simon
10. in the distant future, weary of centuries of fighting his descendents, dracul enters into a final battle with the newly-resurrected satan (LOS3?)
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:12:39 AM
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And I don't think Trevor and Alucard are one in the same, wasn't that debunked by our "insider"?
Nope. Simon = Alucard was debunked.

this is how i think the timeline will work out:
1. gabriel becomes a vampire post-LOS DLC
2. trevor is raised by the order and his identity is kept secret from gabriel, as is gabriel's from him
3. gabriel occupies bernhard castle and begins to gain a reputation as "the dragon," dracul
4. trevor is trained by the order with the ultimate goal of defeating dracul
5. trevor fathers a child at some point, thus continuing the belmont line
6. trevor invades the castle in MOF, fights dracul, discovers he's actually his father, and is turned
7. knowing that he's "the son of the dragon," dracula, he mirrors his name in protest and becomes alucard
8. dracul continues his reign of terror, but alucard returns in LOS2 to try and take him down again
9. the belmont line continues through trevor's offspring, eventually giving birth to simon
10. in the distant future, weary of centuries of fighting his descendents, dracul enters into a final battle with the newly-resurrected satan (LOS3?)
This is it. But based on this trailer and MoF info alone, now I want to have a LoS 3..4..5...6.... N-->Infinity
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Post by: meanguyjones on June 01, 2012, 12:16:09 AM
thedragonreturns.com has finally been opened, check it out

Looks like LoS2 is the last game, according to the site.
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Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 12:20:18 AM
Here's an idea.
(click to show/hide)

The idea sounds great on paper, but what made Alucard a good guy was his human side. A "Trevor's Darkness" Alucard would just be evil Trevor.
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:20:51 AM
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In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, the origin of Dracula and his legendary connection with the Belmonts was revealed. In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, fans can expect thrilling new twists and challenges. In this shocking conclusion to the Lords of Shadow saga, Dracula returns once again, weakened and yearning for release from his immortal bonds. Facing a new and powerful threat, the vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key. However, the famed Belmont clan also seek his ultimate destruction.

We are playing as Dracula.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:22:50 AM
UPDATE!
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami-castlevania.com%2F_img%2Fstory%2Fdracula.jpg&hash=22e28a440a1439afa07d3c069f75a870)
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n Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, the origin of Dracula and his legendary connection with the Belmonts was revealed. In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, fans can expect thrilling new twists and challenges. In this shocking conclusion to the Lords of Shadow saga, Dracula returns once again, weakened and yearning for release from his immortal bonds. Facing a new and powerful threat, the vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key. However, the famed Belmont clan also seek his ultimate destruction.
More at the OP update  ;)

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In this shocking conclusion to the Lords of Shadow saga
WHAT
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Post by: Mr.Bushido on June 01, 2012, 12:22:55 AM
in the game site they talk about the "shocking conclusion" so this might be the last game in this universe
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Post by: GuyStarwind on June 01, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
Ok they say "shocking conclusion" Is this suppose to be last game? Or maybe just the last LoS title aka we won't get LoS3,4,5,etc. Also it says the famed Belmont clan seek for his destruction. Do you think there will be runins with a Belmont throughout the game?
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:24:19 AM
I think it means this is the last "Dracula Rises" game. So ending the LoS saga
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Dracula returns once again, weakened and yearning for release from his immortal bonds. Facing a new and powerful threat, the vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key. However, the famed Belmont clan also seek his ultimate destruction.
I think this means there IS some playing in modern times.
The Dracula in the trailer didn't look weakened norold nor yearning for anything.
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
I'm actually a little disappointed this will be the end of the LoS saga. That trailer just raised so many questions and possibilities.
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 12:26:19 AM
blah, that's weird. i would have preferred a trilogy and another spinoff. LOS: the origin, MOF: the bridge game, LOS2: the middle, ???: the second bridge game, and LOS3: the conclusion (set in the future). but it seems like they're just going to end it here and have MOF serve as our glimpse of belmonts trying to take him down. weird.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:28:18 AM
Weird, that's the right word O.o
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Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 12:28:29 AM
I'm actually a little disappointed this will be the end of the LoS saga. That trailer just raised so many questions and possibilities.

I agree. I feel like we're just getting started. There's so much potential here.
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Post by: Flame on June 01, 2012, 12:29:50 AM
It might be like wasnt it one of the rumored lists? that had the conclusion of the game in modern times?

Also, decrepit Drac definitely seems like a convenient plot excuse for having Gabe be weak "beginning of game" mode and have him re obtain his powers as the game progresses.

Also, i would be sad if this game concludes the MS Castlevania universe. I kinda called it when I predicted a trillogy or quartet, but to be honest, It feels like they are rushing it a bit to get the story over with.

Unless as said by Ahasverus, its simply the last "Lords of Shadow" and after we get at least 2 more games in the same universe without the subtitle?

I hope so, it would suck to end it on just 3 games.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2012, 12:29:57 AM
Call mecrazy but I don't think we'll be playing as Gabriel this time seeing that he's pretty much overpowered (understatement) my guess is that Alucard will be the hero.
I'm guessing that too. Like it was mentioned earlier, it feels like an intro.

Though, I can't say I'd like to play as an overpowered anti-hero. That would be only yet another comparison to GoW for people to use to rag on this game. But other than that, it doesn't interest me. Not now. Like I said before, I want to see Gabula develope as villain, on the opposing side of us. I want to see him do some ruthless, evil things(not just tear up the battlefield like a badass). And I said this before, I want to yell, "You BASTARD!!!" at something terrible he does. I want a bastard of a Dracula!
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:30:03 AM
I agree. I feel like we're just getting started. There's so much potential here.
I think they are just testing waters. Again.
Then they'll drop the "Lords of Shadow" series and start a new trilogy in the new universe.

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Also, decrepit Drac definitely seems like a convenient plot excuse for having Gabe be weak "beginning of game" mode and have him re obtain his powers as the game progresses.
The Drac in the trailer is not decrepit nor weakened, I think they are referring to the present plot with that part.
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
I agree. I feel like we're just getting started. There's so much potential here.
Perhaps, as Ahasverus, this is the end of the LoS part of the new canon. This really can't be Mercury Steam's last Castlevania, right now my knee jerk reaction is demanding these guys take the torch after watching that trailer.

That's the first time we have ever seen Dracula that powerful and actually DOING SHIT, and not just sitting in his throne room waiting for someone to kill him again.
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Post by: Mr.Bushido on June 01, 2012, 12:31:21 AM
Well, I'm happy about this being the last game in the LoS universe to be honest, 3 games sounds about ok to me
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Post by: GuyStarwind on June 01, 2012, 12:32:41 AM
The idea sounds great on paper, but what made Alucard a good guy was his human side. A "Trevor's Darkness" Alucard would just be evil Trevor.
That's true but this in the Cox universe here and from what I've gathered anything is possible. Maybe for some reason Alucard will be full vampire? Just a thought. Moreover, being a vampire doesn't make one evil. But I'll guess we'll have to see.
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Post by: Raxivace on June 01, 2012, 12:35:23 AM
Haven't beaten the first LoS yet, but I gotta admit I think the trailer for LoS2 looks cool.

Granted, it's just a little trailer so the gameplay might end up sucking but I'll be optimistic for now.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 12:35:38 AM
Knew it was gonna be a trilogy, that's why Mirror of Fate has 4 protagonist in 4 different versions of Dracula's castle.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 12:36:24 AM
Yet again they refer to him as Dracula.
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Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 12:36:41 AM
That's true but this in the Cox universe here and from what I've gathered anything is possible. Maybe for some reason Alucard will be full vampire? Just a thought. Moreover, being a vampire doesn't make one evil. But I'll guess we'll have to see.

Historically no, but in the LoS universe vampires are Carmilla and her spawn, and Carmilla is the evil side of a one of the Brotherhood founders.
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 12:37:42 AM
so now i think that trailer with alucard isn't actually indicative of what we're going to see in the game. i'm starting to think that's just a flashback demonstrating that he lived on a long-ass time and faced many generations of belmonts. but LOS2 really will take place after LOS1's drac-in-the-future ending. it'll show him fighting satan again and then probably dying one last time.

but maybe they just wanted to get the gabriel part of the mythos out of the way so from there on they can focus on more traditional dracula vs. belmonts in the past storylines, and they just wanted to conclude this aspect of the storyline while they're still involved with the franchise. this is the conclusion in the sense that it's the last numbered lords of shadow game starring gabriel and dealing with his war with satan storyline.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:40:12 AM
so now i think that trailer with alucard isn't actually indicative of what we're going to see in the game. i'm starting to think that's just a flashback demonstrating that he lived on a long-ass time and faced many generations of belmonts. but LOS2 really will take place after LOS1's drac-in-the-future ending. it'll show him fighting satan again and then probably dying one last time.
This is.. plausible?  :o
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:40:28 AM
Knew it was gonna be a trilogy, that's why Mirror of Fate has 4 protagonist in 4 different versions of Dracula's castle.
I can't help but feel the incessant negativity from the fans forced MS to make this a trilogy.

I feel really bad now.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:43:25 AM
I can't help but feel the incessant negativity from the fans forced MS to make this a trilogy.

I feel really bad now.
Perhaps the overwhelming positvity will change things midway production  ;D
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Post by: GuyStarwind on June 01, 2012, 12:43:57 AM
Maybe depending on this game and MoF they'll make more. Saying it only is a trilogy of course.
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:45:01 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0XlvP.jpg&hash=2ddd55b243c59ad8a68b106e7f7d0c44)
I just realized this thing was a Titan reverse engineered by the Brotherhood.
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Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 12:45:42 AM
I can't help but feel the incessant negativity from the fans forced MS to make this a trilogy.

I feel really bad now.

If the games are spaced out right and MoF and LoS2 are really well received, then there should be plenty of opportunity for more Belmonts vs Dracula throughout the ages.
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Post by: Mr.Bushido on June 01, 2012, 12:47:24 AM
oh no titans again

also i really dig this new gabriel, looks like it could have been designed by ayami kojima, to some extent
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Post by: Flame on June 01, 2012, 12:47:25 AM
That's true but this in the Cox universe here and from what I've gathered anything is possible. Maybe for some reason Alucard will be full vampire? Just a thought. Moreover, being a vampire doesn't make one evil. But I'll guess we'll have to see.
But wasnt it mentioned in the DLC chapters that by becoming a vampire you lose your humanity? Isnt that what made Gabe finaly tip over the edge into the abyss? Losing his last shreds of humanity?

although with him there were other circumstances too, so yeah... if Trevor becomes a vampire more ala "Trevor's Quest" as part of the being scarred by the battle with Dracula or something, then he could possibly again, retain his sense of duty or whatever, and therefore, continue the fight against his father.

Alucard having white hair here could be a sign that he does not feed on Human Blood, unlike Gabe, who quite clearly does.

Also, anyone else notice theres a split second reflection of our mystery-(totally-not-Alucard)-man's face? too quick for me to note anything though.

on to the site however:

The dev team pics really tease a few things, including a shot of gameplay, and some concept art.

Also, they have the full pic of that wolf.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami-castlevania.com%2F_img%2Fmedia%2Fconceptart%2F4.jpg&hash=d1c70f9655ec9c50c34742af22052aa3)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami-castlevania.com%2F_img%2Fmedia%2Fteam%2Fmercury%2F8_b.jpg&hash=40f21bc565ec40267e7ad9241d7437c4)

As well as another concept piece of the castle, this time sort of mirroring the teaser, what with Gabuella looking out over his place.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami-castlevania.com%2F_img%2Fmedia%2Fenvironment%2F1_b.jpg&hash=135588423152d6b7c81070c4fc61ec88)

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Again, they refer to him as Dracula.
Again, He is probably the only one who actually refers to himself as "Dracul" since he defeated Satan and feels entitled to the honors.

others however who fear and despise him, consider him bad enough to be the son of the devil, and instead call him Dracula.

Sounds plausible to me.
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:50:41 AM
Also, they have the full pic of that wolf.
Strange, why is he holding a sword?

That wolf definitely has to be Alucard now too.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on June 01, 2012, 12:52:23 AM
I'm mostly just trying to figure out ways Trevor and Alucard won't be the same person. I won't lie I'm pretty against the idea.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2012, 12:53:22 AM
Wait, did I miss something? Did Cox confirm that LoS will be a trilogy and that it's almost over?? When was this?!
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:54:31 AM
Wait, did I miss something? Did Cox confirm that LoS will be a trilogy and that it's almost over?? When was this?!
The story section on the site confirms this will be the end of the new canon.
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 12:54:57 AM
Now I know how to do pics guy prepare for an upgrade guys and girls at least I hope so  :-X
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Post by: Flame on June 01, 2012, 12:55:56 AM
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The story section on the site confirms this will be the end of the new canon.
supposedly.

It's a conclusion to the Lords of Shadow series, but there could possibly be other games that dont carry the LoS subtitle, I guess we will learn more at e3 proper, or from Cox himself somewhere.

Actually, someone should tweet Cox and ask about that.
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Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 12:57:15 AM
You know, that Alucard totally reminds me of this:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fitsjusthorror.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F07%2Fcastlevania2.jpg&hash=11c0fc9a54bad982853d9d3bd37b26f0)
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Post by: thernz on June 01, 2012, 12:59:11 AM
Gabriel's face is better. I am glad they improved that.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 12:59:33 AM
The story section on the site confirms this will be the end of the new canon.
The end of the Lords of Shadow saga, to be more precise. It could mean ANYTHING.

Still, I already started the begging on twitter to both Alvarez and Cox :P
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Post by: REmaster on June 01, 2012, 01:01:11 AM
supposedly.

It's a conclusion to the Lords of Shadow series, but there could possibly be other games that dont carry the LoS subtitle, I guess we will learn more at e3 proper, or from Cox himself somewhere.

Actually, someone should tweet Cox and ask about that.

Yea I'm wondering if LOS2 will at some point pick up where the ending cathedral scene in LOS left off.
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 01:05:47 AM
You know, that Alucard totally reminds me of this:
I was actually thinking the same thing.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 01:06:30 AM
Dat artwork :o
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 01:08:04 AM
did anyone save that supposed chapter list? would kinda like to look at it again after that trailer but i never saved it
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Post by: aya79 on June 01, 2012, 01:08:36 AM
Hector or Alucard?
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Post by: REmaster on June 01, 2012, 01:10:08 AM
The end of the Lords of Shadow saga, to be more precise. It could mean ANYTHING.

Still, I already started the begging on twitter to both Alvarez and Cox :P

 So did I  :P He talked to me once about the DLC being delayed( My name was in the infamous tweet where he told me, "The second DLC pack? I don't see any delays with that :)", of course that was an epic failure lol. For the record, just to avoid future cluster fucks like that, this is one of the rare cases where I hope they actually put the DLC on the disc and then charge me to unlock it.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on June 01, 2012, 01:10:24 AM
I doubt it's Hector but who knows.
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 01:10:53 AM
did anyone save that supposed chapter list? would kinda like to look at it again after that trailer but i never saved it
That thing was absolutely bogus just by reading the synopsis.
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Post by: thernz on June 01, 2012, 01:11:14 AM
Imagine all the Brotherhood scrolls Alucard will get to read after the fight.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 01:12:59 AM
The story section on the site confirms this will be the end of the new canon.

That's what I'm hoping. But if these two entries sell well, it might lead to another trilogy or something.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 01:14:03 AM
I can't help but feel the incessant negativity from the fans forced MS to make this a trilogy.

I feel really bad now.

Tell me you're kidding.

Edit: lol, minuses.
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Post by: REmaster on June 01, 2012, 01:14:57 AM
Imagine all the Brotherhood scrolls Alucard will get to read after the fight.

 lol At least they're all conveniently gathered in one spot.
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Post by: Mr.Bushido on June 01, 2012, 01:16:38 AM
Even if the they keep going with the LoS canon, i think it'd be cool to have a new developer after this game IMO
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 01:20:05 AM
I updated the facts thread please check it out I think I did good on it. Thank you all for checking :)
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Post by: meanguyjones on June 01, 2012, 01:24:55 AM
That's what I'm hoping. But if these two entries sell well, it might lead to another trilogy or something.

Why are you hoping they're done? Reverting the series back to how it was before MS took control of the franchise would kill it deader than dead right now, especially after this trailer.

How about hope that the game turns out well?
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Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 01:27:33 AM
nvm, found it:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIAb50.jpg&hash=66772d437e4d7ff28ed535f0a0f07e32)

That thing was absolutely bogus just by reading the synopsis.

yeah you're probably right, unless the synopsis is screwing with us and most of the game is actually alucard with the codas showing gabriel getting those powers in the castle and facing the threat it talks about. they were mentored by kojipro for the first game so i wouldn't put it past them to pull an MGS2 on us, aka making us think we're playing as one guy when in actuality it's the silver-haired guy with the sword, haha.

interestingly the second part of chapter 9 is the name of a half-giant from greek mythology like the seemingly half-titan from the trailer and the next one's called "storming the gates." maybe the trailer is actually a cutscene from later in the game.

but yeah it's probably bogus considering like all the crap from the past week that wasn't from leak guy was basically bullshit, haha.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 01:31:06 AM
The funny part is that the synopsis says that the key to Gabriel's power is in the Castle, and the second to last Coda chapter is called "The castle Rises"... I don't know, I somehow, believe that list.
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Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 01:33:05 AM
If that list is true, then why would the story tell us we're playing the role of Dracula? All of the chapters that aren't CODA listed sound like we're playing as a Belmont instead.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 01:35:03 AM
If that list is true, then why would the story tell us we're playing the role of Dracula? All of the chapters that aren't CODA listed sound like we're playing as a Belmont instead.
Or Alucard.
As you can see in the site, the storybit we got was from a "Dracula" page, so perhaps that is the story for the Dracula-controlled chapters. They obviously wouldn't put an "Alucard" page without him being announced don't you think?
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Post by: Mr.Bushido on June 01, 2012, 01:36:14 AM
Why are you hoping they're done? Reverting the series back to how it was before MS took control of the franchise would kill it deader than dead right now, especially after this trailer.

How about hope that the game turns out well?

I hope this game turns out well, but I still don't want MS to follow the LoS canon, and that doesn't mean that the series will go back to how it was. At all

Plus, I don't think MS wants to make Castlevanias forever
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: REmaster on June 01, 2012, 01:37:57 AM
I updated the facts thread please check it out I think I did good on it. Thank you all for checking :)

Very nice, thank you :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 01:41:11 AM
If that list is true, then why would the story tell us we're playing the role of Dracula? All of the chapters that aren't CODA listed sound like we're playing as a Belmont instead.

not gonna defend the list to the death because everything unofficial is dubious, but like i said it's not above them to do a crazy twist. gabriel=dracula was that, and they learned a bit from kojipro when making the first game. maybe they took some influence from the second MGS game and in the second LOS game they're going to make you think you play as one character (snake=gabriel) but in actuality it's a silver-haired sworld-wielding dude (raiden=alucard).  :P probably overthinking it like crazy but i could see it happening.

makes more sense to me that they'd have you play as alucard for the bulk of the game with snippets of gabriel spread througout than play as gabriel and have a big final encounter with alucard. just wouldn't have the same impact.

The funny part is that the synopsis says that the key to Gabriel's power is in the Castle, and the second to last Coda chapter is called "The castle Rises"... I don't know, I somehow, believe that list.

and the one before that is called "pact" with the level title "might." maybe in the codas leading up to that he finds the secrets of the castle then makes a pact and gains power.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 01:45:48 AM
Very nice, thank you :)

No problem I plan on updating it as soon as new news comes out till the day of release  :)


nvm, found it:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIAb50.jpg&hash=66772d437e4d7ff28ed535f0a0f07e32)

yeah you're probably right, unless the synopsis is screwing with us and most of the game is actually alucard with the codas showing gabriel getting those powers in the castle and facing the threat it talks about. they were mentored by kojipro for the first game so i wouldn't put it past them to pull an MGS2 on us, aka making us think we're playing as one guy when in actuality it's the silver-haired guy with the sword, haha.

interestingly the second part of chapter 9 is the name of a half-giant from greek mythology like the seemingly half-titan from the trailer and the next one's called "storming the gates." maybe the trailer is actually a cutscene from later in the game.

but yeah it's probably bogus considering like all the crap from the past week that wasn't from leak guy was basically bullshit, haha.

Should I put this in the facts thread?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 01:48:00 AM
Should I put this in the facts thread?

i don't think so, it's way too unconfirmed. i just think it's kinda interesting to mull over in the meantime since we probably won't find anything more out about the game until like next year. :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 01:50:04 AM
Thought on the trailer before more people post (been more than 10 page in the pat hour, sheesh)

You can snag the vid from GameTrailers, if you haven't already

- Love his outfit. Reminiscent of his armor from LoS. Also, anyone else notice that Gabe is wearing the same "belt" and wrist guards from the LoS epilogue?

- At around 0:50-0:54, Gabe turns and looks at what appears to be a sarcophagus. Maria's corpse perhaps?

- Gabe looks absolutely badass as the count. REALLY nice design work by MS.

- At around 1:44-1:48 Gabe performs his signature Guillotine move from LoS. Nice.

- Wonder if all those knights he's killing end up as Axearmors and undead warriors in his army.

- Castle looks huge. Also, the stained glass window on the front (below where Gabe first emerges) could be the same window from the LoS epilouge

- HOLY CARP!! He actually turned into a dragon. Multiple forms hen fighting Dracula confirmed! Perhaps Alucard (who else could the white haired dude be?) inherits Gabe's shape-changing abilites to a lesses degree, thus the wolf?

- At around 2:35 Gabe's thinking "Dammit. Now who's gonna clean all this up?"


Anyhoo, my GOD, I cannot describe how excited I am for this. Haters be damned!! This looks absolutely amazing!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 02:03:22 AM
Thought on the trailer before more people post (been more than 10 page in the pat hour, sheesh)

You can snag the vid from GameTrailers, if you haven't already

- Love his outfit. Reminiscent of his armor from LoS. Also, anyone else notice that Gabe is wearing the same "belt" and wrist guards from the LoS epilogue?

- At around 0:50-0:54, Gabe turns and looks at what appears to be a sarcophagus. Maria's corpse perhaps?

- Gabe looks absolutely badass as the count. REALLY nice design work by MS.

- At around 1:44-1:48 Gabe performs his signature Guillotine move from LoS. Nice.

- Wonder if all those knights he's killing end up as Axearmors and undead warriors in his army.

- Castle looks huge. Also, the stained glass window on the front (below where Gabe first emerges) could be the same window from the LoS epilouge

- HOLY CARP!! He actually turned into a dragon. Multiple forms hen fighting Dracula confirmed! Perhaps Alucard (who else could the white haired dude be?) inherits Gabe's shape-changing abilites to a lesses degree, thus the wolf?

- At around 2:35 Gabe's thinking "Dammit. Now who's gonna clean all this up?"


Anyhoo, my GOD, I cannot describe how excited I am for this. Haters be damned!! This looks absolutely amazing!

Got my video from youtube.

It's a good time to be a cv fan now I hope that this game will sell way over a million if the game is as good as this trailer God of war, and especially devil may cry will be crushed we need the return of the giant back and this trailer shows why cv is THE action game and you know what we should help them in some way  ;D.


i don't think so, it's way too unconfirmed. i just think it's kinda interesting to mull over in the meantime since we probably won't find anything more out about the game until like next year. :(

Never know what about interviews and such it's bound to happen hell I'll make a twitter to get info out of Davic Cox if I have to. It may not be much, but it's something. But yes I'll stepback on this for now. For all we know it may be a proto type of the stage names.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thr
Post by: Munchy on June 01, 2012, 02:19:19 AM
I can't help but feel the incessant negativity from the fans forced MS to make this a trilogy.

I feel really bad now.

Hideo Kojima has said on several occasions that whatever MGS he was working on at the time would be his last.

Long story short - If it makes money, there will be more.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 02:25:06 AM
lol, yeah. Kojima's been saying that it will be his last MGS since MGS3.

So here's hoping LoS2 and MoF sell like crazy ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on June 01, 2012, 02:27:49 AM
Good to hear they are keeping the LoS storyline short and sweet. I hope they'll return to the old timeline afterwards and wrap it all up before moving on to something new again.

Also, got this game confirmed for Vita? If not, perhaps that means we'll get something completely different for that system? 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 02:44:38 AM
Just watched the trailer again (for like the 10th time, lol). Anyone else notice that the battle takes place in what seems to be a courtyard? During the end of the trailer, as the camera pulls back from Gabula and Alucard, you can see much more of the castle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 02:47:44 AM
Just watched the trailer again (for like the 10th time, lol). Anyone else notice that the battle takes place in what seems to be a courtyard? During the end of the trailer, as the camera pulls back from Gabula and Alucard, you can see much more of the castle.

Only for the 10th time?  ;D I lost count for how many times I watched it  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nox_A15 on June 01, 2012, 02:51:18 AM
Hello everyone! :) I haven't been here for a really long time.

Nagumo - I'm afraid this is "something new". Looking at Konami as a company, they will support MercurySteam's vision of the series, because it sells much better. I would also love to see 1999 battle in old continuity, but there's a better chance that some epic conclusion of LoS (Dracula vs Satan in modern times?) will try to recompense it for us. I think Konami won't hesitate to create third continuity, if LoS one will come to an end (and it probably will - it looks like MercurySteam want to tell a full, closed story, rather than cloning games endlessly... yet ;)).

Also, wow - a chapter list? O.o Guys, where is this stuff from? I don't even want to look at that to not spoil too much. xD

Back to the trailer - have you noticed the face's reflection in the sword? You probably thought about such plot twist here already:

http://www.relyonhorror.com/specials/dailyvania-specials/dailyvania-will-trevor-belmont-become-alucard-in-mirror-of-fate/ (http://www.relyonhorror.com/specials/dailyvania-specials/dailyvania-will-trevor-belmont-become-alucard-in-mirror-of-fate/)

What if it's Trevor, Gabriel's son, standing there? I wouldn't be surprised. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: shelverton. on June 01, 2012, 02:55:24 AM

Trailer made me quite happy! As expected there's no actual gameplay but it looks pretty sweet. And dark as f*ck. And it seems Mercury Steam is reallly gonna play the Alucard....card.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 03:13:21 AM
Why are you hoping they're done? Reverting the series back to how it was before MS took control of the franchise would kill it deader than dead right now, especially after this trailer.

How about hope that the game turns out well?

I never said I don't hope the game turns out well. It's like Nagumo said; I'd prefer Konami getting back to working on the original continuity after this is wrapped up.

What would you prefer? 25+ years of LoS?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: JR on June 01, 2012, 03:24:11 AM
Pretty cool trailer. The text on the site makes me worry, though. I'd really, REALLY rather have that rumored chapter list be true, with Gabe being playable in only the codas and last chapters. That would be excellent!

Also, it might be me but he really resembles the Undertaker.


Don't ask me why, but he kind of reminded me of Geralt from The Witcher, of all people. Seeing the white hair on Alucard or whoever might have influenced that, though.

I find it interesting that after becoming a vampire Trevor stopped using the combat cross and started using a sword.

Could be because he can't use it, is my guess. It's a holy weapon that could be used against him...could also mirror why Gabriel destroyed his version after he absorbed TFO's power.


It's..they're actually calling it Lords of Shadow 2.

Haha, that was my same reaction when I saw the Spike TV thing. I was kind of dumbstruck, and a little disappointed that there wasn't a cool name for it to be revealed.

Perhaps, as Ahasverus, this is the end of the LoS part of the new canon. This really can't be Mercury Steam's last Castlevania, right now my knee jerk reaction is demanding these guys take the torch after watching that trailer.

That's the first time we have ever seen Dracula that powerful and actually DOING SHIT, and not just sitting in his throne room waiting for someone to kill him again.

I dunno, if it sells well, I think Konami could persuade MS to make more. Look how many Metal Gear games they pestered Hideo Kojima to make after he (kinda) said he's getting sick of them!  ;D

But yeah, I loved that this 2-minute trailer re-establish Dracula as a force to be reckoned with. As others have said previously, I like the idea of him being both a warrior and a magic user.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: LoneChild on June 01, 2012, 03:43:58 AM
LOL, two friends just told me "Hey, they're making those games you used to like again, did you see that trailer?"
Castlevania in the spotlight, again.

Five days until we see some in-game footage, i hope. Right now I'm more hyped about Mirror of Fate, but man this trailer is epic. Love the little details like Marie's tomb and Gabriel not reflecting in the mirror.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 01, 2012, 03:55:43 AM
This trailer is beyond epicness.

LoS2 game of 2013? Starts well.

BTW, I F*CKING LOVE Gabriel/Dracula's design.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 01, 2012, 03:59:44 AM
Eh it's the end? Already?
I gotta admit the trailer looks badass and if that's really Alucard then this game is going to be interesting.
Surprise me MS!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: shelverton. on June 01, 2012, 04:12:21 AM
I kinda wished that the game would've been called something else. Even "Castlevania: The Dragon Returns" would've been better, even though it does sound ... wrong. I mean, "Lords of Shadow 2"? I dunno. Will the lords from the first game even have anything to do with this game? Or are there new lords? I mean, Zobek is probably in it but I dunno about Cornell or Camilla.

Actually, I would've preferred if the "2" was put after "Castlevania".

"Castlevania 2: Something of something", instead of "Castlevania: Something of something 2".

Dunno.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: uzo on June 01, 2012, 04:23:57 AM
Oh, yay, the titans return. MS is not learning their lesson. And Gabe is the protagonist? Not Alucard? Strange. The power gap is really big there it seems.

Oh well, at least it is the last one in the mini-series. (Unless Konami execs force them to make another one.)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: jestercolony on June 01, 2012, 04:36:31 AM
Personally, my favorite part within the entire trailer was when he had taken that knight and dragged his ass across the battle ground, to only allowing us to discover how brutal Gabriel has become. Took the fuckers life with no remorse, petty and then lol wrecks the "Titan", did anyone also see that shit eating grin on his face as his eyes turned crimson when he looked upon what may be Alucard?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: shelverton. on June 01, 2012, 04:40:09 AM
Personally, my favorite part within the entire trailer was when he had taken that knight and dragged his ass across the battle ground, to only allowing us to discover how brutal Gabriel has become. Took the fuckers life with no remorse, petty and then lol wrecks the "Titan", did anyone also see that shit eating grin on his face as his eyes turned crimson when he looked upon what may be Alucard?

Yes, the grin. The GRIN! It was so awesome.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 01, 2012, 04:58:40 AM
More Titans? No f*cking climbing, Gabe rushes into them STRAIGHT.
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Post by: Flame on June 01, 2012, 05:04:46 AM
I never said I don't hope the game turns out well. It's like Nagumo said; I'd prefer Konami getting back to working on the original continuity after this is wrapped up.

What would you prefer? 25+ years of LoS?

I would prefer they take their time to tell their story, not rush it out, cramming it all in 3 games, with one game potentially using a gimmick to tell like 4 different "chapters" with 4 different protagonists.

I'd dig at least 2 or 3 more games.

as for the classic canon, unless IGA, (if he ever gets back to CV that is,) gets a bigger budget with the success of LoS, it wont go very far.

I would also prefer if there was another producer involved besides IGA, to balance his bad habits.

The story is more or less concluded for the Classic canon, all thats left is possibly some games between LoI and CV3, but they would be "lolnodracula" so they probably wont happen. And the 1999 game is too hyped up and there is just too much personal opinion and too much shit surrounding it for it to actually please anyone, even if it did come out.

You know, like Duke Nukem forever. And given that IGA likes to put gameplay before story, in a game that would be story above all, well you know...

Honestly? id rather different studios get to take their shot at Castlevania games. See which of them do it well. That would be interesting. Give them a 1 or 2 game contract or something.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 01, 2012, 05:05:12 AM
I can't watch the trailer on youtube from work, can someone upload to vimeo?

EDIT: Or http://rghost.net/ (http://rghost.net/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: TheFly22284 on June 01, 2012, 05:07:15 AM
It's a stretch and would involve some kind of wonky time travel element, but did anyone else think that *possibly* Alucard in this continuity is actually also Gabriel. I'm thinking in particular of the reflection in the sword and how much older it looks than I realized, and how much it reminds me of Dracula at the end of LoS. If the plot is going to be centered on Gabriel regaining his Drac-power, and the castle holds the key, then might there be some sort of Light/Enlightened/Penitent Gabriel vs. Full-on Dracula Gabriel happening?

Edit: There is also the question of the sword Gabe/Dracula is holding in the promo art, which may be indicative of something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: whitedragon_nall on June 01, 2012, 05:27:37 AM
I don't have sound on my crappy work PC, but I thought the trailer *looked* nice.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: shelverton. on June 01, 2012, 05:32:55 AM
I don't have sound on my crappy work PC, but I thought the trailer *looked* nice.

Music sounded pretty much how I expected. This is Oscar Araujo after all. Much like with the original LoS, I wish it had ..dunno... more "notes" maybe? More "melody", sort of. Cause the foundation is really good. Just add another layer of instruments, with a catchier melody. Not just this bombastic, albeit sweeping and epic, mood piece.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 06:09:58 AM
as for the classic canon, unless IGA, (if he ever gets back to CV that is,) gets a bigger budget with the success of LoS, it wont go very far.

That's one of the reasons I personally hope this trilogy will remain a transition phase, a chance for "Akumajou" to get back on the saddle, improved and rejuvenated. Konami is not going to throw the big bucks on both takes on CV - at least not at the same time.

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I would also prefer if there was another producer involved besides IGA, to balance his bad habits.

Agreed. And not just bad habits, also not having him responsible for every damn thing, working on a way too short production schedule.

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The story is more or less concluded for the Classic canon, all thats left is possibly some games between LoI and CV3, but they would be "lolnodracula" so they probably wont happen. And the 1999 game is too hyped up and there is just too much personal opinion and too much shit surrounding it for it to actually please anyone, even if it did come out.

There is still details of Dracula accumulating his power, what Galamoth actually is and why he is seemingly a bigger threat than Dracula, why Belmonts had to give up the whip etc. Personally, I disagree on 1999 battle not being able to live up to the hype - especially now that LoS has the spotlight. I think the best way to start building that game would be keeping low profile during its development.

But if you think both continuities in the sense of what was and how it ends, there isn't much to explore in LoS's story either. You know he is gonna air-joust Satan into submission eventually. But you're still interested in the things that happen between and why.

It would take Konami realizing that even though Dracula is pretty much the main character, it doesn't mean he has to be in every game and every story. If they took that perspective, they could do interesting things with the original continuity.

That creates a pons asinorum to what pisses me off about how CV has been handled for so many years. Of course lots of LoS's things look better compared to the classic universe: it's got things like Judgment, bishounen mania and regurgitated sprites. It's not necessarily (just) that they did wrong things, it's (also) the way they did them.

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Honestly? id rather different studios get to take their shot at Castlevania games. See which of them do it well. That would be interesting. Give them a 1 or 2 game contract or something.

Agreed (except maybe on letting them have contracts beforehand). Or maybe they could assemble a "Team Vania" to handle things. Constantly getting completely different development groups for the sake of diversity is not something I think is necessary. On the contrary - teams work better when they have cohesion. They should just check out and evaluate their games to determine when it's clearly time to rearrange and think of a different strategy (in order to thwart the "Burton/Depp effect").
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 01, 2012, 06:15:03 AM
I was thinking about how LoS2 is going to be the last game of the saga. I don't think it means it's the last Castlevania done by MS. It could just mean they're putting an end to the LoS saga, to begin a new one called Something of something. And maybe they will focus on other Belmonts besides Gabriel/Dracula.
Because it  seems to me that LoS is focusing mainly on him, if we take into consideration that he might be the main character in this game too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Nagumo on June 01, 2012, 06:19:43 AM
Perhaps it won't be their last game in the series but I do think they will take a break after this. Why else would they limit themselves to a trilogy if they want to make more immediately?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on June 01, 2012, 06:20:00 AM
A couple thoughts this morning...

After watching the teaser last night about 5x and again today I agree with everyone that is most likely Alucard at the end. But is it AT ALL possible it's in fact Zobek? I mean he was blonde with a sword too...maybe he changed his image in the years between? Probably a stretch but just saying...

Also...

Am I the only one who does NOT see a castle? To me that looked just like a big cathedral/church surrounded by an outer wall with some lookout towers. I saw no actual castle whatsoever.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: shelverton. on June 01, 2012, 06:27:47 AM

Am I the only one who does NOT see a castle? To me that looked just like a big cathedral/church surrounded by an outer wall with some lookout towers. I saw no actual castle whatsoever.

I think it's a castle, but it's hard to tell. The cathedral which Gabriel comes out on the balcony is possibly the same place where he's at in the end of LoS1, in modern times. A city has been built around the remains of his old castle. Maybe. Though I wonder why they didn't tear the whole place down if they were building a city there. Though maybe this place has gone through many different incarnation during the years, but that one tower/cathedral managed to survive all this time.

Doesn't look a lot like Camilla's castle from LoS1 though... Though MAYBE this is set before he takes over Camilla's castle? This place could be someplace else.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 01, 2012, 06:33:19 AM
No it's a castle.And a gothic one at that.  At 1:28 you can see a zoomed out picture of it and it's huge. It seems to me that all those soldiers were gathered in some kind of arena, or an inner yard or something.As for the music it works pretty well, but maybe they should have added more violins.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on June 01, 2012, 06:48:37 AM
I just don't get "castle" as much as I get "cathedral" from what I saw. I suppose it could be castle ruins, or a smallish castle but I hope it's not THE castle. Too small if it is. We need something on a massive scale like Camilla's in LoS1.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: James Belmont on June 01, 2012, 06:58:09 AM
I'm not so sure that Alucard = Trevor. I think there's also the possibility that Alucard = Simon. Take a look at his armor. It's more red in color, like Simon's, and the leg armor is incredibly similar. I'm not saying he isn't Trevor, I'm just saying that's not the only possibility. Not to mention the possibility that Alucard is neither of them.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 01, 2012, 07:07:01 AM
it seems to me that the game will take place in modern times, but that fact would be blunted a bit because it'll also take place in the Castle so Drac can get his powers back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: James Belmont on June 01, 2012, 07:13:26 AM
it seems to me that the game will take place in modern times, but that fact would be blunted a bit because it'll also take place in the Castle so Drac can get his powers back.
If it took place in modern times, there would be planes bombing his castle, the soldiers would be carrying grenades and machine guns, and I'd expect a tank or two. There was none of that in the trailer. Sure, one has every right to wonder if this trailer was just a sort of prologue to the new game, but then why tease Alucard like that? It doesn't make much sense.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 07:30:52 AM
Hi-Res LOGO :)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abload.de%2Fimg%2Flogolc75p.png&hash=2f9a0789bc7f27efea3b61e2f8b4e165)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 01, 2012, 07:44:54 AM
To many pages to read and no time.......i just saw the trailer and i like more the new look of Gabriel, it suits better the Castlevania universe in my opinion, also i believe that the white hair person at the end of the trailer, is Alucard, so i'm asking you people, because i don't know if it is known, but are we going to play as Dracula against humanity or Alucard in a effort to save or destroy Gabriel? Also about music, i hope that the in game music will be something better than the one from the trailer or i'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lumas on June 01, 2012, 07:51:06 AM
The trailer looks good so far though I am disappointed at the posts of this being the last game in the series I would like a Lords of Shadow 3 just because doing 2 main games really messes with my ocd even though there is MOF I would like to see a 3 somewhere. Yeah I get it I'm odd like that. But the trailer looks really awesome I got a castlevania vibe from the first part of the song that played so I hope they lean more towards that as far as music goes and really make the music more dark and melodic. Personally, if MOF leads to LOS2, its not impossible to think this game is still set in medieval times I mean LOS took place in the 11th century so that sa long time before the modern age shown in the epilogue of LOS and MOF takes place of a span of centuries. So say for example Trevors story takes place 25 years after LOS, Simons takes place another 100 and so on that would still place the game still with in medieval times. As far as "Alucard" is concerned until it is revealed he is Trevor or Simon or someone else I'm gonna say that Gabe got lonely and produced a Dhampir. I dont care who you are man or female (and not to sound vulgar) but you are gonna need some "action" every once in a while regardless of how broke up you are. Again though I am not gonna count me eggs before they are hatched.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Little Dracula on June 01, 2012, 08:32:44 AM
Not sure if this was posted, the thread is growing too quick  lol

Trailer in 1080p without watermarks.

http://gamersyde.com/download_castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2_trailer-27149_en.html (http://gamersyde.com/download_castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2_trailer-27149_en.html)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: affinity on June 01, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
I won't dump LOS2 in the trash just yet,  but I just laugh at Mercury Steam's shameless attempt at winning more fans by dragging Alucard in their sad excuse for a "Castlevania" series.     ;D

 It makes sense they would aim for trump card fan service like that since they already ruined the whole Belmont =/= Dracula case.

besides the white hair, the sword, Alucard's primary weapon, gives off the big hint it is them.  of course they would choose them to maximize profits.   because if it was a Belmont with a sword, MS would lose even more fans.

I don't think MS will break the habit of making the gameplay like GoW instead of Castlevania, so not expecting the level design to improve (or the character designs for that matter).





Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on June 01, 2012, 08:37:38 AM
Whenever I read Affinity's posts, I feel angry...

But going back for a moment- to Dracula using a hellfire whip-

It isnt all that strange. Consider that when he was Gabriel Belmont, member of the Brotherhood of Light, he used the Combat Cross, a whip weapon. He was an expert in whip combat.

He destroyed the holy Combat Cross which could be used against him and stood for God and the Brotherhood, both of whom he feels have betrayed him and caused his situation, but he is still accustomed to fighting with a whip, so it makes sense that he would still use a whip like weapon, only this time, an ethereal whip made from his own demonic powers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 08:39:38 AM
Whenever I read Affinity's posts, I feel angry...

Then maybe it's time to take a break, dude  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 08:39:47 AM
A close look at the white haired stranger
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Frhtkn.jpg&hash=f2cd6af3c5f7024b258b00de9cbe719d)

Yeah im gonna say it's Alucard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 08:41:01 AM
Huh? Was that in the trailer?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 08:43:29 AM
Huh? Was that in the trailer?

After the title card at the end.

Here's another close up look with him and Dracula.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FygGqW.jpg&hash=ae144341fd502bac54fe8c4cbf877442)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: xscientist5000 on June 01, 2012, 08:57:31 AM
I'm blown away.. I think this is going to be amazing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: VladCT on June 01, 2012, 09:12:41 AM
After the title card at the end.

Here's another close up look with him and Dracula.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FygGqW.jpg&hash=ae144341fd502bac54fe8c4cbf877442)
Dunno about you guys but that sword looks pretty katana-esque to me. :-X
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
A close look at the white haired stranger

Yeah im gonna say it's Alucard.

and i'm gonna say alucard is also trevor!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxQ1nS.jpg&hash=4009c755802b2897a2441aa651c3f66f)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: TheFly22284 on June 01, 2012, 09:14:11 AM
Yeah, I'm increasingly convinced that this is Alucard, and that LoS Alucard is either Gabriel's light side or later self looking for penitence. It would really explain a lot. He could still be a later Belmont, but this subseries is all about dualism.

Edit: That side by side of Trevor, though, is pretty convincing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vrakanox on June 01, 2012, 09:17:58 AM
David Cox "This will be the last one..."

https://twitter.com/# (https://twitter.com/#)!/castlevanialos

Also the website has a picture of Gabriel with a sword.

http://www.konami-castlevania.com/#/media (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/#/media)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on June 01, 2012, 09:25:25 AM
Whenever I read Affinity's posts, I feel angry...

But going back for a moment- to Dracula using a hellfire whip-

It isnt all that strange. Consider that when he was Gabriel Belmont, member of the Brotherhood of Light, he used the Combat Cross, a whip weapon. He was an expert in whip combat.

He destroyed the holy Combat Cross which could be used against him and stood for God and the Brotherhood, both of whom he feels have betrayed him and caused his situation, but he is still accustomed to fighting with a whip, so it makes sense that he would still use a whip like weapon, only this time, an ethereal whip made from his own demonic powers.

Fanboys are really something huh... fanboyism in general irritates me... afinnity in HoD threads, Ahasverus in LoS threads.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 01, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
The new artworks are fantastic and really scream CASTLEVANIA! :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 09:30:51 AM
and i'm gonna say alucard is also trevor!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxQ1nS.jpg&hash=4009c755802b2897a2441aa651c3f66f)

They do look alike but why is he not using his combat cross?

Maybe Dracula destroys it in Mirror of Fate?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 09:37:38 AM
Dunno about you guys but that sword looks pretty katana-esque to me. :-X

With the curve of the sword I though it might of been a Kilij

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arscives.com%2Fvevans%2Fimages%2F4.6-Turkish-Kilij.jpg&hash=2e1fbf5627a0f656f57ab95b2d7463ff)




Whenever I read Affinity's posts, I feel angry...


What is the point in getting mad?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 09:38:05 AM
They do look alike but why is he not using his combat cross?

Maybe Dracula destroys it in Mirror of Fate?

Perhaps. Or maybe he gets turned and can't even touch it anymore.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on June 01, 2012, 09:41:48 AM
Just watched the trailer. Not excited at all. I mean, the trailer shows nothing, at all. It's just a CG...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 09:43:30 AM
Perhaps. Or maybe he gets turned and can't even touch it anymore.

Maybe he thought it was not going to be a practical weapon against Gabriel seeing as how he destroyed his version of the CC so easy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Inccubus on June 01, 2012, 09:49:00 AM
and i'm gonna say alucard is also trevor!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxQ1nS.jpg&hash=4009c755802b2897a2441aa651c3f66f)

I'm not convinced. Sure they look similar, but their armor is pretty different and their details are different. This by no means is definitive, but I guess I'm just holding out that they aren't the same person. I thought making Gabriel a Belmont, was honestly, pretty stupid and the sort of thing I'd expect from Hollywood. Doing the same with Trevor/Alucard would be cliche and equally stupid. I expect better.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 09:57:21 AM
Btw David Cox said we play as Dracula, and he said #vampirepowers
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 09:57:34 AM
Well at least it's a fact that you still play as Gabriel confirmed by Cox via twitter


"Dave Cox‏@CastlevaniaLOS

@ARB9119 - Dracula is the main character you play, yes! #vampire powers"

Edit you put it right as the same time as me Dan wow  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 10:04:51 AM
Crazy. I really didn't expect them to make a game about Dracula as the main character.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Mr.Bushido on June 01, 2012, 10:08:09 AM
I guess it was to be expected since this timeline is all about the story of gabriel.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lords of Shitow on June 01, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
I'm not convinced. Sure they look similar, but their armor is pretty different and their details are different. This by no means is definitive, but I guess I'm just holding out that they aren't the same person. I thought making Gabriel a Belmont, was honestly, pretty stupid and the sort of thing I'd expect from Hollywood. Doing the same with Trevor/Alucard would be cliche and equally stupid. I expect better.

i just don't know why they'd make Alucard a separate character if this is the last game in the series and Gabriel already has a son. too little time to introduce another child just to keep in line with a continuity they've already distanced themselves from.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 10:14:44 AM
Sweet, it was hoping Dracula would be the playabe character.

Watch them pull a MGS2 and have you play as Alucard for the rest of the game when Dracula goes missing.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on June 01, 2012, 10:16:21 AM
I just noticed something.

Gabe at one point walks past a mirror, and naturally, casts no reflection.

But our white haired stranger, reflects his face off his sword.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 10:18:15 AM
Did a very very little update on the facts thread I do plan on making it better though it feels a bit cluttered to me with al the images and such. Again thanks for reading everyone :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
I guess it was to be expected since this timeline is all about the story of gabriel.
Meh... can't say I like the whole "yet another dark anti-hero game where you play as a virtually BAD guy". God knows they've been done to death nowadays. Still looks interesting, though. Considering this is the conclusion, here's hoping that means they put an end to "Gabriel's Saga" and if they continue on(through another series), they focus on Belmont multiple characters(not just one).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: knightmere on June 01, 2012, 10:35:07 AM
Wow this is lame, instead of the hero you play as the villain Dracula? I hope that doesn't hold true for the entire game.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 10:35:20 AM
I'm not convinced. Sure they look similar, but their armor is pretty different and their details are different. This by no means is definitive, but I guess I'm just holding out that they aren't the same person. I thought making Gabriel a Belmont, was honestly, pretty stupid and the sort of thing I'd expect from Hollywood. Doing the same with Trevor/Alucard would be cliche and equally stupid. I expect better.

Not to mention they would literally repeat themselves if Trevor or Simon turns into Alucard. They're both a big no-no-please-no.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on June 01, 2012, 10:36:29 AM
Look at how many people already have LoS2 as their favorite game/signature, sheesh (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.documentingreality.com%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fmysmile%2Flaugh.gif&hash=66c2859e4fed98de687ae23ca18ddade)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 10:37:22 AM
Look at how many people already have LoS2 as their favorite game/signature, sheesh (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.documentingreality.com%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fmysmile%2Flaugh.gif&hash=66c2859e4fed98de687ae23ca18ddade)

Heck yeah  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 10:44:52 AM
Meh... can't say I like the whole "yet another dark anti-hero game where you play as a virtually BAD guy". God knows they've been done to death nowadays.

True and it's a lot like what's happening with gritty reboots in movies and comics. Sometimes it is unfortunate that video game narratology reflects what happens in older mediums instead of running its own course.

Being heroic doesn't necessarily mean a one-dimensional or bland character. I mean, the very definition of heroism is not giving up in the face of adversity. That includes resisting personal impulses, inner evil. But I guess making it darker and edgier offers a fast smoke screen to avoid working on character development of higher maintenance level. Somehow, some people then forget that villains, anti-villains or anti-heroes can be just as repetitive as completely flawless heroes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on June 01, 2012, 10:50:12 AM
It's somewhat bittersweet that this is already gonna be the last game in the LoS universe; I would've liked to see them make a nice trilogy on consoles with maybe 1 more portable entry after MoF (and, ideally, LoS-3 being a launch title for PS4/nextbox). However, I understand that it's wise for them to leave the series on a high note, rather than drag it out until LoS-4 or 5.

Kinda like how Seinfeld ended his show so abruptly, it being the highest rated show on TV at the time. He wanted to end it while it was still "good."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: knightmere on June 01, 2012, 10:53:12 AM
It should pointed out that Gabriels' flame whip or whatever it was from the CG looks even MORE like the Blades of Olympus from GoW than the Combat Cross did.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 10:53:27 AM
It very likely boils down to sales figures, so let's not pull out the champagne bottles or black ribbons quite yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 10:54:16 AM
It's somewhat bittersweet that this is already gonna be the last game in the LoS universe; I would've liked to see them make a nice trilogy on consoles with maybe 1 more portable entry after MoF (and, ideally, LoS-3 being a launch title for PS4/nextbox). However, I understand that it's wise for them to leave the series on a high note, rather than drag it out until LoS-4 or 5.

Kinda like how Seinfeld ended his show so abruptly, it being the highest rated show on TV at the time. He wanted to end it while it was still "good."

You know I kinda appreciate this from Mercury Steam. Instead of going the IGA route and just keep releasing numerous games and forcing story points to justify gameplay, mercury steam instead chooses to make a meaningful story with less entries.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 10:56:42 AM
I guess wouldn't be mad either if this was the end if LoS2 does wrap things up nicely.

Feels weird how the first game in this new series wasn't "Castlevania," but the last two games probably will be.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2012, 10:57:14 AM
True and it's a lot like what's happening with gritty reboots in movies and comics. Sometimes it is unfortunate that video game narratology reflects what happens in older mediums instead of running its own course.

Being heroic doesn't necessarily mean a one-dimensional or bland character. I mean, the very definition of heroism is not giving up in the face of adversity. That includes resisting personal impulses, inner evil. But I guess making it darker and edgier offers a fast smoke screen to avoid working on character development of higher maintenance level. Somehow, some people then forget that villains, anti-villains or anti-heroes can be just as repetitive as completely flawless heroes.
It's a trend, plain and simple, and I abhore it for being a trend(has a abhore trends in general). It's like group psychosis. People being duped into the flavor of the week because, in what ever short to long period of time it's popular, it becomes standard and is cool to like. Of course people within the trend try to justify it as being the new standard and how things will be judged from "here on out", like it's revolutionizing the world's perspective, but it's just BS rhetoric to try and squeeze the trend for all it's got.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 01, 2012, 10:59:22 AM
I actually put it as a fave to show people I had put the graphic up.
I love all cv games so it's no problem.

If you wanna be weird, you can put "Encore of the Night" as your "Likes". :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: xscientist5000 on June 01, 2012, 10:59:46 AM
Awh man, I don't want to play as weakened Dracula trying to regain power. What, so I can kill some innocent peasants? What I got from the trailer is "Okay this is what you're up against", not this is what you'll be. I think its a known fact that a game is boring as @#$! with an overpowered character.

Quote
In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, the origin of Dracula and his legendary connection with the Belmonts was revealed. In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, fans can expect thrilling new twists and challenges. In this shocking conclusion to the Lords of Shadow saga, Dracula returns once again, weakened and yearning for release from his immortal bonds. Facing a new and powerful threat, the vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key. However, the famed Belmont clan also seek his ultimate destruction.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 11:01:34 AM
It's somewhat bittersweet that this is already gonna be the last game in the LoS universe; I would've liked to see them make a nice trilogy on consoles with maybe 1 more portable entry after MoF (and, ideally, LoS-3 being a launch title for PS4/nextbox). However, I understand that it's wise for them to leave the series on a high note, rather than drag it out until LoS-4 or 5.

Kinda like how Seinfeld ended his show so abruptly, it being the highest rated show on TV at the time. He wanted to end it while it was still "good."

Go out with a bang right?

Kind of reminds me of The lesson of the moth. Do we live a short, but exciting life or live a long dull life, go for the flame like the moth and immolate your self and be satisfied.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: knightmere on June 01, 2012, 11:02:06 AM
I actually put it as a fave to show people I had put the graphic up.
I love all cv games so it's no problem.

If you wanna be weird, you can put "Encore of the Night" as your "Likes". :P

I've been wanting to play that game forever but I still don't have the hardware to do so.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: xscientist5000 on June 01, 2012, 11:09:24 AM
To my dismay, I just noticed the focus bar in one of the development screenshots.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
To my dismay, I just noticed the focus bar in one of the development screenshots.

We get to turn into a wolf..who cares. lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 11:14:49 AM
The "IGA route" is the "Konami route". IGA just works/worked for them.

It is almost a weird science how IGA gets shoehorned into whenever anything about the quality or the future of Castlevania is mentioned. He isn't left alone even after apparently no longer working on Castlevania. What does it take for him to be not excluded as the bringer of all things that spell Castlevania's ruin? Would getting crucified help?

If Mercurysteam calls it quits after this, you could say they were "noble" or "smart". But they would also get off easy by getting out while the going's good. Their games were compared to repetitive gameplay implementation, zany, kind-of-insulting side projects and the increasing marginalization of Castlevania. I don't know what exactly went on in Konami over those years when they didn't bother investing on Castlevania, but lots of things in LoS can't help but look better in comparison to those. It can be partly like some sort of tunnel vision effect. It sort of links into IGA; he had the misfortune/fortune of producing so many games that it was inevitable some of the praise would turn into hate. Had he produced only a trilogy, how would things be now?
 
But if they stick around longer, will the novelty of those things keep on shining as bright? They don't necessarily need to innovate anything if they jump out of the ship and the producer doesn't have to become Mr. Castlevania. Just doing three games that aren't like the Vanias whose aftertaste some of us, lots of us, have been wanting to get out of our mouth would be enough.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: ZenTzen on June 01, 2012, 11:20:39 AM
Theres still the whole thing that Cox said when LoS was comming out about how he would like other developers expand on the LoS universe kinda like comic books
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 11:22:26 AM
I wonder who's going to take over the series after Mercury Steam is done. Will this be the end of the new canon, or just the end of MS's run on it?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 11:25:47 AM
The "IGA route" is the "Konami route". IGA just works/worked for them.

It is almost a weird science how IGA gets shoehorned into whenever anything about the quality or the future of Castlevania is mentioned. He isn't left alone even after apparently no longer working on Castlevania. What does it take for him to be not excluded as the bringer of all things that spell Castlevania's ruin? Would getting crucified help?

If Mercurysteam calls it quits after this, you could say they were "noble" or "smart". But they would also get off easy by getting out while the going's good. Their games were compared to repetitive gameplay implementation, zany, kind-of-insulting side projects and the increasing marginalization of Castlevania. I don't know what exactly went on in Konami over those years when they didn't bother investing on Castlevania, but lots of things in LoS can't help but look better in comparison to those. It can be partly like some sort of tunnel vision effect. It sort of links into IGA; he had the misfortune/fortune of producing so many games that it was inevitable some of the praise would turn into hate. Had he produced only a trilogy, how would things be now?
 
But if they stick around longer, will the novelty of those things keep on shining as bright? They don't necessarily need to innovate anything if they jump out of the ship and the producer doesn't have to become Mr. Castlevania. Just doing three games that aren't like the Vanias whose aftertaste some of us, lots of us, have been wanting to get out of our mouth would be enough.

IGA's team did lazy things. They obviously got a decent budget with their first 3D attempt and what did they give us? Lament of Innocence, sure it felt more castlevania than Los...but it was also far more repetitive and lazy looking.
Konami isn't the one MAKING the games it's the team and Iga's team are to blame.

In my opinion of course.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on June 01, 2012, 11:26:14 AM
I'm also happy that it's confirmed that Gabriel's name is indeed DRACULA, not dracul like some people claimed

I wouldn't mind seeing MS create a side-game or 2 as Gaiden stories in the classic timeline, such as a Circle of the Moon prequel heh
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 11:27:01 AM
I wonder who's going to take over the series after Mercury Steam is done. Will this be the end of the new canon, or just the end of MS's run on it?

Who knows. But I feel that even after such a venture MS might work on something else for konami maybe a new IP perhaps. We all just have to wait till the time comes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
Way Forward 2d attempt at a metroidvania title would be sweet. Imo
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 11:31:50 AM
IGA's team did lazy things. They obviously got a decent budget with their first 3D attempt and what did they give us? Lament of Innocence, sure it felt more castlevania than Los...but it was also far more repetitive and lazy looking.
Konami isn't the one MAKING the games it's the team and Iga's team are to blame.

In my opinion of course.

This is what's been bugging me; did they really get a LoS-sized budget? Some people are saying that, but it looks, sounds and seems likely that it was nowhere near that.

It's a bit of a mystery all around. Were the sales numbers actually dropping and were the overall reviews butchering the games? If they were, why did they keep hiring the same people? I mean, it's not uncommon these days for Japanese game houses to outsource their series to the west, so the hiring of MS might not in itself be the result of IGA and his teams not doing what Konami paid them to do.

I wish there was an interview to the people behind those games about those issues, in the spirit of the MG Revengeance documentary.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on June 01, 2012, 11:33:13 AM
I might get shot for this, but, how about Platinum Games? Hideki Kamiya did say his favorite game is the original Castlevania..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 11:35:29 AM
I might get shot for this, but, how about Platinum Games? Hideki Kamiya did say his favorite game is the original Castlevania..
That would be really fucking awesome, actually.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 01, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 11:38:50 AM
This is what's been bugging me; did they really get a LoS-sized budget? Some people are saying that, but it looks, sounds and seems likely that it was nowhere near that.

It's a bit of a mystery all around. Were the sales numbers actually dropping and were the overall reviews butchering the games? If they were, why did they keep hiring the same people? I mean, it's not uncommon these days for Japanese game houses to outsource their series to the west, so the hiring of MS might not in itself be the result of IGA and his teams not doing what Konami paid them to do.

I wish there was an interview to the people behind those games about those issues, in the spirit of the MG Revengeance documentary.

Did it get as big of a budget? Well obviously not this is made for 360/ps3 which requires much more money.
however did LOI get a decent budget for it's console? sure... you think Iga's first 3d game wouldn't get backed, after all the hate the n64 3d games got. They wanted to make a statement they aren't gonna give him scraps.

It's one of the main reasons curse of darkness looks so bad, they probably had less money to work with. Yes people gave the games decent reviews but that's because with brand name games people tend to be more forgiving, you read these reviews and you start to see the negatives. Does anyone honestly believe Iga's team was putting out better castles each time after Symphony of the night? The castles were less and less creative, and less and less interesting. ( in terms of layout, and non-repetitiveness)....

Aria of sorrow had a decent castle though!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 11:39:02 AM
IGA's team did lazy things. They obviously got a decent budget with their first 3D attempt and what did they give us? Lament of Innocence, sure it felt more castlevania than Los...but it was also far more repetitive and lazy looking.
Konami isn't the one MAKING the games it's the team and Iga's team are to blame.

In my opinion of course.

Just a question correct me if I am wrong but Lament went into production around 2001 right I recall the interview on CV chronicles and it was released in 2003 right. 2001-2003

LoS started in 2008 yet was all most canceled, And was released in 2010. 2008-2010

Three years for each game to be made. While both did things right, LoS was better in most deparments than LoI and no it's not the HD graphics part.

So why did LoS have certain aspects that LoI lacked even more?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
Just a question correct me if I am wrong but Lament went into production around 2001 right I recall the interview on CV chronicles and it was released in 2003 right. 2001-2003

LoS started in 2008 yet was all most canceled, And was released in 2010. 2008-2010

Three years for each game to be made. While both did things right, LoS was better in most deparments than LoI and no it's not the HD graphics part.

So why did LoS have certain aspects that LoI lacked even more?

The team working on LoS were better


just to drive my point home. To show you how lazy and uncreative Iga's team is..... they literally had ONE type of puzzle in Lament of innocence pretty much, a step on a button type of puzzle. Which was used in EVERY main area of the game.

compare that to all the creative ideas for puzzles and gameplay in all of LoS..... That shows you how much more work into the latter. ( not that I'm a huge puzzle fan, just sayin')
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 11:44:07 AM
The team working on LoS were better

Perhaps MS is more adept than IGA's team ever was lets see if that can translate into 2d as well.

"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long"

That is an awesome quote where is that from?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 11:46:02 AM
Perhaps MS is more adept than IGA's team ever was lets see if that can translate into 2d as well.

That is an awesome quote where is that from?

They already seem more adept considering there's 4 playable characters and apparently the castle looks different for each of them, and there's swinging platforming sections, along with normal platforming, and an actual fighting system to boot.

Lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2012, 11:47:11 AM
The team working on LoS were better


just to drive my point home. To show you how lazy and uncreative Iga's team is..... they literally had ONE type of puzzle in Lament of innocence pretty much, a step on a button type of puzzle. Which was used in EVERY main area of the game.

compare that to all the creative ideas for puzzles and gameplay in all of LoS..... That shows you how much more work into the latter. ( not that I'm a huge puzzle fan, just sayin')
I'm probably the only one, but even in LoI, I thought one puzzle was too much. I just never been the type to see "puzzles" as being essential to the CV formula. To the Legend of Zelda formula, sure, but CV, no.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
I'm probably the only one, but even in LoI, I thought one puzzle was too much. I just never been the time to see "puzzles" as being essential to the CV formula. To the Legend of Zelda formula, sure, but CV, no.

no no I agree, I don't care for puzzles either I'm just saying it was very very lazy. Not only was it a lazy puzzle but it was a lazy puzzle used in each location because apparently they can't be a bit more creative than that.
Let's not get started about the lack of any sort of platforming for the most part.

For as much as people like to hate on LOS for it's shimmying type platforming moments and such, at least they did things that consisted more than walking into a box room kill enemies, walk into another box room that looks the same kill enemies.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 11:55:06 AM
I'm probably the only one, but even in LoI, I thought one puzzle was too much. I just never been the type to see "puzzles" as being essential to the CV formula. To the Legend of Zelda formula, sure, but CV, no.

I see your point. CV=action, Zelda= puzzles that is where I get I puzzlemania needs out of me. Yet at the same time all the things that an individual can do with a whip I think should be.Why waste the versatility of the whip?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 11:57:52 AM
I see your point. CV=action, Zelda= puzzles that is where I get I puzzlemania needs out of me. Yet at the same time all the things that an individual can do with a whip I think should be.Why waste the versatility of the whip?

That.

The whip in LOS wasn't just a weapon it was a damn tool.
I will say though I like how the IGA team handled the action aspects of the whip in Loi...it felt like a real whip and how you CRACKED it. I kinda wish LOS followed suit, it didn't quite feel whip like to me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2012, 11:59:27 AM
Ok, Cox confirmed that this is just the end of MS Cv's, not neccesarily of the new series. I'm relieved!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 12:06:17 PM
So why did LoS have certain aspects that LoI lacked even more?

Such as?

Atmospherically, I personally think LoI did better.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 12:08:04 PM
Ok, Cox confirmed that this is just the end of MS Cv's, not neccesarily of the new series. I'm relieved!

I wanted to see MS take on Richter, but Trevor and Simon will do.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 12:15:34 PM
I might get shot for this, but, how about Platinum Games? Hideki Kamiya did say his favorite game is the original Castlevania..

I wouldn't shoot you, but I wouldn't be looking forward to it if it happens. Platinum seems to have the ability to create one type of action game, and IMO, that type doesn't capture the Castlevania spirit at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 12:19:46 PM
From Software?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2012, 12:20:06 PM
Ok, Cox confirmed that this is just the end of MS Cv's, not neccesarily of the new series. I'm relieved!
Or, this could be it for the this series and they could decide to reboot it yet again. It sound strange, but stranger things HAVE happened in the recent years. Maybe we'll get another re-imagning of the CV series, unrelated to the old canon and LoS canon, with a new Dracula, and new Belmonts.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on June 01, 2012, 12:23:24 PM
Based on the official Castlevania LoS2's website that was opened today (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/ (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/)), and its artwork and synopsis pages, I have to wonder if a chunk of the game design in LoS2 is based on SotN. We see a big picture of a wolf head, a focus on bats by a tree--are we talking Alucard and/or Gabeula transformations? "The vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key." Sounds like they'll start you back at zero close to the beginning and you're searching a castle for ability upgrades...

The site seems to have at least one pic of in-game action in the Mercury Steam behind-the-scenes photos. Looks like maybe a skeleton with a shield on its back holding a long battle axe perhaps? HUD and camera and all look very similar to LoS1. There's also one art piece in that same section...something like Dracula's second form from CVIII, but with legs and a meat hook through it. There's some other artwork there, but I don't know if it's all related to LoS2.

As an aside, what if Sonia Belmont is one of the characters in MoF? That'd be surreal.

Ok, Cox confirmed that this is just the end of MS Cv's, not neccesarily of the new series. I'm relieved!

I read this, too, but don't quite understand. Basically, MS is leaving Castlevania after LoS2/MoF. What then? Is it: Konami has to decide whether to continue the Lords of Shadow style or go in a different direction? Or is it that they just need a new studio to continue LoS?

Or, this could be it for the this series and they could decide to reboot it yet again. It sound strange, but stranger things HAVE happened in the recent years. Maybe we'll get another re-imagning of the CV series, unrelated to the old canon and LoS canon, with a new Dracula, and new Belmonts.

Cox did say LoS2 would be a successful conclusion to the series on his Twitter, or something to that effect. I would be all for another Reboot, one closer to the series' roots, with a little less combo-y super powers, and more emphasis on action-platforming.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 12:24:22 PM
well as someone who was not a fan of LOS I must say that Cox and his team has been impressing me bit by bit with every bit of new stuff that they are revealing.

First Mirror of fate and now this which I must say was a damn good trailer.

And that white haired guy HAS to be Alucard.

Dear god I hope Cox doesn't troll us by revealing he is not because that would be a kick in the balls if you ask me.

One thing I noticed is that Gabriel looks a good deal younger and less "vampiric" than he did in the LOS ending which means that this game takes place before that. Seeing how those soldiers look even further confirms this. I bet that this part of the game is the flashback that was alluded to regarding Gabriel and will also be the part of the game that takes place directly after Mirror of Fate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
You know who should REALLY get Castlevania next?

FROM SOFTWARE.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 12:26:47 PM
Such as?

Atmospherically, I personally think LoI did better.

I have to write this all over again   time clocked out>:(

If I had a check/grade list. I think that Los would edge out LoI in some areas. Now I might sound like a broken record, but that atmosphere you are talking about is good, but to me it somewhat loses it's meaning due to repetitive rooms and such that copy paste thing which really kills the atmosphere in my opinion LoS while different was really never the same something new always poped up which made the atmosphere maybe not a gothic one but an overall better one, not to mention the platforming how is it that LoS had more platforming that LoI, and even if I question LoS platforming I cannot deny that something is at least there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2012, 12:29:55 PM
Based on the official Castlevania LoS2's website that was opened today (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/ (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/)), and its artwork and synopsis pages, I have to wonder if a chunk of the game design in LoS2 is based on SotN. We see a big picture of a wolf head, a focus on bats by a tree--are we talking Alucard and/or Gabeula transformations? "The vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key." Sounds like they'll start you back at zero close to the beginning and you're searching a castle for ability upgrades...

I read this, too, but don't quite understand. Basically, MS is leaving Castlevania after LoS2/MoF. What then? Is it: Konami has to decide whether to continue the Lords of Shadow style or go in a different direction? Or is it that they just need a new studio to continue LoS?
I'm starting to thin MoF will end with Dracula being stripped of his powers and, maybe, sealed off somewhere. LoS2 being about Dracula trying to regain his powers, it makes sense.

LOL, funny case scenario, after LoS2, Konami decides to pull further development back in house, Japan, and.... decides to let IGA handle the new canon.... ;D That would be HILARIOUS!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 12:32:28 PM
I'm starting to thin MoF will end with Dracula being stripped of his powers and, maybe, sealed off somewhere. LoS2 being about Dracula trying to regain his powers, it makes sense.

LOL, funny case scenario, after LoS2, Konami decides to pull further development back in house, Japan, and.... decides to let IGA handle the new canon.... ;D

...... :-X

MS has worked on an open world game right with scrapland so what if they were to work on a Fuma game unlikely yeah but one can dream right.


Edit I made the facts thread a bit less cluttered for anyone who has not seen it yet. TY for reading  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 12:35:10 PM
I'm starting to thin MoF will end with Dracula being stripped of his powers and, maybe, sealed off somewhere. LoS2 being about Dracula trying to regain his powers, it makes sense.
That sounds really awesome if that's how things end up. LoS2 being about Dracula would make a ton of sense then.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 12:36:24 PM
Seeing as how CV64, LoD, CotM and Legends were excluded from the canon his games' continuity follow, I'm not sure he would even want that. One of the reasons the canon was/is getting heat was that he wanted to follow up on the games made before him.

What he & the writers maybe should've done was follow the Hideo Kojima School of Video Game Storytelling. It is based on two steps when you find yourself in a corner and in need to write new things:

1. Retcon what doesn't fit
2. Receive applause for great storytelling.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 01, 2012, 12:40:58 PM
Wow i've always dreamed of playing as Dracula ever since AoS and Soma.But i think i still prefer to play as Alucard. Can't help it, i'm a huge fangirl  ;D.
I think i'm gonna give this game a shot when it comes out, even though i really don't like what MS and Cox did to the series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Mr.Bushido on June 01, 2012, 12:41:47 PM
You know who should REALLY get Castlevania next?

FROM SOFTWARE.

FROM MOTHERFUCKING SOFTWARE? no seriously, that would be awesome.

But I think I'd rather go with Platinum Games though, after LoS I i'd like to see a less mature approach for the series, while still having a big budget
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 12:43:42 PM
A From Software Castlevania game would be awesome.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 01, 2012, 12:45:46 PM
Goddamnit, I said it first. Where is my e-reputation raise for this achievement  >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on June 01, 2012, 12:46:38 PM
I'm starting to thin MoF will end with Dracula being stripped of his powers and, maybe, sealed off somewhere. LoS2 being about Dracula trying to regain his powers, it makes sense.

LOL, funny case scenario, after LoS2, Konami decides to pull further development back in house, Japan, and.... decides to let IGA handle the new canon.... ;D That would be HILARIOUS!!!

Yep. But you know what's also REALLY funny/weird. If you go back and watch the 2008 Alucard Prototype Game trailer (Castlevania PS3/360 '08 prototype (English Subtitles) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODb3IWXVh7o#)), it could almost be a trailer for LoS2 from the opposite perspective. The lighting/color, the focus on the glowing red eyes, white-haired character with sword, and the forming of a handheld weapon from disparate red energy/blood...It turns out that MS is leading up to IGA's lost Alucard game. ;)

You know who should REALLY get Castlevania next?

FROM SOFTWARE.

Hmm...Dark Souls is an impressive game. Ironically, it's more in the vein of Castlevania 64 with its full-3D camera and lack of major combos. (Extra ironic that CV64 gets bashed for these things). However, I haven't seen From Software show me a sense of action-platforming rhythm.  Not a lot of platform jumping there. And I don't want Castlevania to go too far into the stiff stats/RPG area. I think they have potential, though. Based on Dark Souls, they'd be better at a something more toward a 3D Castleroid than a 3D Classicvania. I might like to see a new team do it, though. Honestly, I'd like to see a very fresh take on Castlevania, one that isn't afraid to buck the trends of modern gaming while still hitting Castlevania's traditional gameplay hooks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 12:46:53 PM
A From Software Castlevania game would be awesome.


Meanwhile I am going to look up from software.



 Edit Nevermind  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: ZenTzen on June 01, 2012, 12:54:48 PM
A From Software Castlevania?
I dont know, i dont think thats a really good idea, while Demons and Dark souls are pretty awesome games, they would have to improve in a lot of areas to make a really good CV game, especially the combat/platforming and story focus and get rid of some of the stuff that are present on those games
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 01, 2012, 01:08:36 PM
And that white haired guy HAS to be Alucard.

Yeah it HAS to be him. But what if it's someone else? To be franc his outfit reminds me a bit of Hector's or even Joachim.Alucard isn't the only white haired dude of the series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Omegasigma on June 01, 2012, 01:14:23 PM
ok from viewing the trailer, it looks like hes more dracula looking in appearance fighting wise, looks meh
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: RichterB on June 01, 2012, 01:18:29 PM
Yeah it HAS to be him. But what if it's someone else? To be franc his outfit reminds me a bit of Hector's or even Joachim.Alucard isn't the only white haired dude of the series.

I get the sentiment, and I don't mean to rain on any parades, but can I be reminded why having Alucard means all of LoS' flaws have been automatically fixed? I mean, Alucard is in HoD for PS3/XBOX360, and last I checked, that wasn't a jaw-dropping gem. Plus, the LoS shout-outs of the past, such as Cornell or Renaldo haven't exactly been stellar; more like lip service. With a few cosmetic changes, Hector could have been Alucard in CoD, but that wouldn't have fixed CoD, either.

Again, though, it's interesting to note some of the reminiscent similarities between the '08 cancelled Alucard game trailer and this new LoS2 trailer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 01:19:03 PM
Yeah it HAS to be him. But what if it's someone else? To be franc his outfit reminds me a bit of Hector's or even Joachim.Alucard isn't the only white haired dude of the series.

Yea, but he is the most poplular and well known white haired guy in the series and I'm sure Cox knows this.

The chances of it being Hector and Joachim or slim to none.

But the chances of it being alucard are MUCH higher.

Also I noticed something earlier with the trailer.

You actually get a shot of this guy's face in his sword and he is clearly not human judging by his yellow eyes.

look here

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg189.imageshack.us%2Fimg189%2F1411%2Falym.png&hash=38c2105cbe82d1f2721026249669c004) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/alym.png/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
Dear god I hope Cox doesn't troll us by revealing he is not because that would be a kick in the balls if you ask me.
It is definitely Alucard. There should be no doubts about this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 01:32:52 PM
It is definitely Alucard. There should be no doubts about this.

I know, but a few seem to think that its a possibility that it is not.


I agree that there IS a possibility, but its pretty damn small.


Cox himself even said that he was interested in adding Alucard to the LOS universe and now this guy shows up with white haire, yellow eyes, and a sword and we are not supposed to believe he is alucard?

The only way he is not is if Cox wants to troll the hell out of us.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: flyingchai on June 01, 2012, 01:35:21 PM
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You actually get a shot of this guy's face in his sword and he is clearly not human judging by his yellow eyes.

Plus the wolf in the other poster had yellow eyes, so I'd infer that it's a character that can transform into a wolf. Alucard would be it...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 01:35:55 PM
Cox himself even said that he was interested in adding Alucard to the LOS universe and now this guy shows up with white haire, yellow eyes, and a sword and we are not supposed to believe he is alucard?
They wouldn't throw him in there if it wasn't Alucard, they know how important the character is to Castlevania fans.

What I want to know is if we'll ever play as him. This new Alucard looks really awesome so far.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 01, 2012, 01:38:29 PM
I think it's safe to say Alucard will probably be a secondary playable character. maybe they switch off like in mirror of fate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 01:43:16 PM


What I want to know is if we'll ever play as him.

That would be even worse than if it wasn't him if you ask me.

Throwing him in and getting the fans all excited only to make him unplayable would be a dumb move if you ask me.

Expecially with him flaunting that badazz looking sword around which I'm sure people would like to see how sword gameplay would translate into the LOS universe since the primary weapon has allways been whips.

It seems that Gabriel/Dracula will still be using a whip but only a vampiric version of one which would make it a good way to distinguish the characters by having 1 with sword gameplay+vampire powers and the other with whip gameplay+vampire powers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: ZenTzen on June 01, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
What i want to know is how are they gonna make the whole relationship between Alucard and Gabeula, or if they are even gonna make him is son
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 01:57:17 PM
What i want to know is how are they gonna make the whole relationship between Alucard and Gabeula, or if they are even gonna make him is son

Well for those who still thinks Alucard=Trevor they could make it to where in Mirror of Fate Trevor beats Gabeula only to be cursed somehow to share the same fate as his father by becoming a vampire. In anger he seeks revenge and starts to aid his descendants from the shadows as Alucard (his father's new name spelled backwards).

But for those who believe he is the halfbreed son of Gabeula they could make it to where he once was on the side of his father but after something happened his view of him changed and he switched sides and now aids the humans in their fight against his father.

Either way, I still want Alucard to be his son.

But I would rather him not be Trevor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on June 01, 2012, 01:59:01 PM
It'd be more awesome if they got Robert Belgrade to reprise him


SOLD
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Rugal on June 01, 2012, 02:16:49 PM
First thing that came to my head was Battle of Helms Deep from Lord of The Rings. They're still using that generic music again too.

Castlevania is dead to me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dominus on June 01, 2012, 02:27:14 PM
Yeah it HAS to be him. But what if it's someone else? To be franc his outfit reminds me a bit of Hector's or even Joachim.Alucard isn't the only white haired dude of the series.

Well, there is some precedent, sadly that precedent is....
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Felmundotech.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F09%2Falucard.jpg&hash=6b4210ac8b7dd11f3fa28d5b2641359f)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: beingthehero on June 01, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Man, I had forgotten how horrible the Judgment designs are. Cornell was good and...that was about it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Thunderbrand on June 01, 2012, 02:36:49 PM
I'm starting to thin MoF will end with Dracula being stripped of his powers and, maybe, sealed off somewhere. LoS2 being about Dracula trying to regain his powers, it makes sense.


I could see that happening, or something similar. It would also help explain why we play as Gabula even though he's a "bad" guy. This could also easily setup a nice split ending where if you win the game as Gabula, get your powers back or whatever it leads to, it shows the dark, open ending with hints at Drac's future. Or if you lose the game, it shows the "happy" ending with Alucard/the Belmonts' victory and sets up the every-100-year castle/Drac rising? Ohhh the endless possibilities lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thr
Post by: Ascension on June 01, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
Damn this thread exploded.

Loved the trailer.  Excellent job on making Gabriel look and "feel" more evil.  Him creating a whip from his arm really doesn't bother me at all.  Plus, I loved the homeage of three fireballs.

I'm hoping that's Alucard.  That guy looks bad ass either way.

Awesome trailer, can't wait until E3 to hopefully see some gameplay.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dominus on June 01, 2012, 02:58:48 PM
The black and red smoke thing is how I saw the, ermm, the-Dracula-Attack-that-its-not-normal-fireballs. I really like it

Man, I had forgotten how horrible the Judgment designs are. Cornell was good and...that was about it.

I dont think that they were bad themselves. Just bad for CV
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on June 01, 2012, 03:09:00 PM
Yep. But you know what's also REALLY funny/weird. If you go back and watch the 2008 Alucard Prototype Game trailer (Castlevania PS3/360 '08 prototype (English Subtitles) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODb3IWXVh7o#)), it could almost be a trailer for LoS2 from the opposite perspective. The lighting/color, the focus on the glowing red eyes, white-haired character with sword, and the forming of a handheld weapon from disparate red energy/blood...It turns out that MS is leading up to IGA's lost Alucard game. ;)

Hmm...Dark Souls is an impressive game. Ironically, it's more in the vein of Castlevania 64 with its full-3D camera and lack of major combos. (Extra ironic that CV64 gets bashed for these things). However, I haven't seen From Software show me a sense of action-platforming rhythm.  Not a lot of platform jumping there. And I don't want Castlevania to go too far into the stiff stats/RPG area. I think they have potential, though. Based on Dark Souls, they'd be better at a something more toward a 3D Castleroid than a 3D Classicvania. I might like to see a new team do it, though. Honestly, I'd like to see a very fresh take on Castlevania, one that isn't afraid to buck the trends of modern gaming while still hitting Castlevania's traditional gameplay hooks.

That's because the execution in CV64 fucking sucks. The game being old and dated, even for it's time, don't help at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 03:13:46 PM
I'm not convinced. Sure they look similar, but their armor is pretty different and their details are different.

-Same Gauntlets/Arm-guards
-Same left shoulder on what is also a long coat
-Same Leg armors/boots
-Same hair except for color

You could be right, but I doubt it. Trevor being Alucard doesn't bother me at all, in fact, I like it.


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I thought making Gabriel a Belmont, was honestly, pretty stupid and the sort of thing I'd expect from Hollywood. Doing the same with Trevor/Alucard would be cliche and equally stupid. I expect better.

Yeah, because up until LoS came along, the writing and overall story arch in Cv has been practically Shakespearian in quality :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Wonrei on June 01, 2012, 03:19:09 PM
-Same Gauntlets/Arm-guards
-Same left shoulder on what is also a long coat
-Same Leg armors/boots
-Same hair except for color

You could be right, but I doubt it. Trevor being Alucard doesn't bother me at all, in fact, I like it.

Yeah, I mean, look at this pic posted a few pages ago...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxQ1nS.jpg&hash=4009c755802b2897a2441aa651c3f66f)
Also, even if it's a bit dark, Alucard's clothes do look like they are green/yellow too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on June 01, 2012, 03:30:18 PM

Yeah, because up until LoS came along, the writing and overall story arch in Cv has been practically Shakespearian in quality :rollseyes:
Don't makes LoS writting any better at all. It still sucks, a lot.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
The site seems to have at least one pic of in-game action in the Mercury Steam behind-the-scenes photos. Looks like maybe a skeleton with a shield on its back holding a long battle axe perhaps? HUD and camera and all look very similar to LoS1. There's also one art piece in that same section...something like Dracula's second form from CVIII, but with legs and a meat hook through it. There's some other artwork there, but I don't know if it's all related to LoS2.
The picture of the thing with legs and meat hook is seemingly from Clive Barker's Jericho. It's the art piece on the glass panel, right? Zooming in it says "Jericho" on it's corner.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: TheFly22284 on June 01, 2012, 03:34:30 PM
One thing I like about the probability of Trevor and Alucard being the same person is how it works with the broader Castlevania multiverse. In the classic timeline, you have the team-up in CVIII. Here, you have a connection between the two with a slightly different nuance, much like the Matthias/Gabriel returning to a dead bride deal. It's kind of like folklore or mythology (or as Cox has suggested, Marvel's 616 and Ultimate continuities). It's not even that different from what people thought about Zelda for the longest time. We're just hearing different versions that may as well have been handed down through slightly different cultural channels. I approve.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 03:38:58 PM
Yeah, I mean, look at this pic posted a few pages ago...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxQ1nS.jpg&hash=4009c755802b2897a2441aa651c3f66f)
Also, even if it's a bit dark, Alucard's clothes do look like they are green/yellow too.

I just took a closer look at than, and those match right down to the way his shirt splits below his belt.

Trevorcard confirmed for Brawl.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 03:42:33 PM



Yeah, because up until LoS came along, the writing and overall story arch in Cv has been practically Shakespearian in quality :rollseyes:

Oh please,

Lets not turn this topic into a another "IGA fucking storys suck Cox is better" type of thread shall we?

The mood should be more friendly with the latest news and trailers of lOS2.

And yet if another IGA vs Cox war starts up it will damper it.

Hell, If someone like me who did not like LOS or Cox before the latest news about these games can become optimistic and hopeful for his latest 2 entries it shows there is hope for winning some of the naysayers over.

But not if guys like you constantly keep shitting on IGA and bringing the mood down.

It all boils down to Cox creating a game that appeals to old and new fans alike, and judging by games like Mirror of Fate, that is what he is attempting to do.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 01, 2012, 03:43:03 PM
I just took a closer look at than, and those match right down to the way his shirt splits below his belt.

Trevorcard confirmed for Brawl.
That's pretty sick actually. I kinda think Trevor as Alucard is cool even though it fucks up stuff in IGA's timeline or maybe, it doesn't. Also about the LoS2 vid, is that SATAN strung up on the ceiling at the beginning?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 03:44:37 PM
That's pretty sick actually. I kinda think Trevor as Alucard is cool even though it fucks up stuff in IGA's timeline or maybe, it doesn't. Also about the LoS2 vid, is that SATAN strung up on the ceiling at the beginning?

How does it fuck up ANYTHING in the old canon?

The thing is, this is not part of the old canon (obviously) which means that it has no bearing whatsoever on whats been established in the old canon.

That being said, I still do not want Trevor to become Alucard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Belmont Stakes on June 01, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
Ok.

1. The 12th picture on the LOS2 website looks like Mark Callaway, who would make a pretty good Dracula.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgematsu.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F06%2FCLoS-2-Announced.jpg&hash=7a21f6889d69e95f1dffdac01ac21dcd)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.24wrestling.com%2F24%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F02%2Fundertakerbig.jpg&hash=89810fe98c6cd156dc5b79e803cb76e0)

2. When do this and MOF come out?

3. If Alucard and Dracula are in this game and playable that is awesome. I only hope a second Belmont is in this and playable.

3. And most importantly...UN-Holy Fucking Shit!!!! Two very impressive looking titles at last coming from the franchise.

Making plans to buy both games even though my nephew is the one who owns the 3DS.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Maedhros on June 01, 2012, 03:50:25 PM
Can't the Belmont in the game be Simon?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 01, 2012, 03:52:37 PM
How does it fuck up ANYTHING in the old canon?

The thing is, this is not part of the old canon (obviously) which means that it has no bearing whatsoever on whats been established in the old canon.

That being said, I still do not want Trevor to become Alucard.
ummm, that's why I mentioned it probably doesn't...and Trevor is my favorite Belmont over Simon and Richter (others). I think if I had a choice of who would make the coolest Alucard, I would choose him. He was badass in Curse of Darkness. I think him being Alucard in the reboot adds to the character...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 03:53:53 PM
I just took a closer look at than, and those match right down to the way his shirt splits below his belt.

Trevorcard confirmed for Brawl.
An important thing to note is that his attire is flipped, check out his hair and the belt on Trevor and then Alucard's.

As if it was his own reflection when looking through a mirror.

...oh shit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 03:55:15 PM
ummm, that's why I mentioned it probably doesn't...

But there is no "probably" to it, that was the point of my post is to tell you that it DEFINITELY does not.

@Maedhros

It depends really, If the flashback part of the game is during the time of Simon Belmont than yes he could be in it.

But if its in the future than obviously he can not, unless he somehow become immortal or something.

I would rather Julius Belmont be introduced for the "final battle" in the modern time settings of the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 03:55:35 PM
Can't the Belmont in the game be Simon?

He just might be. Cox did says Mirror of Fate sets up right into LoS2, and if Trevor really is Alucard (which I'm not entirely sold on yet but we'll see) then that would leave Simon to clean up Gabriel's mess.

Hopefully you'll be able to play as all three (Simon, Alucard, Dracula) in LoS2. I've always like playing through one game as multiple people
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 01, 2012, 03:55:39 PM
An important thing to note is that his attire is flipped, check out his hair and the belt on Trevor and then Alucard's.

As if it was his own reflection when looking through a mirror.

...oh shit.

Good Catch! Someone +1 him!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 01, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
Hopefully you'll be able to play as all three (Simon, Alucard, Dracula) in LoS2. I've always like playing through one game as multiple people
If Simon is in LoS2 I definitely want to play as him, it would be a massive tease to make him unplayable.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 04:06:21 PM
Completely unrelated, but I just realized something.

Mirror of Fate has a time jump in it, with Trevor's story taking place only 24 years after LoS and Simons apparently leading into LoS2. If LoS2 takes place in 1400-1500 at the earliest (not including the inevitable future timeline), then it's allowed to be the last game, because that still leaves 400-500 years for in-between titles in the Lords of Shadow timeline.

Yay!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 01, 2012, 04:08:41 PM
If it took place in modern times, there would be planes bombing his castle, the soldiers would be carrying grenades and machine guns, and I'd expect a tank or two. There was none of that in the trailer. Sure, one has every right to wonder if this trailer was just a sort of prologue to the new game, but then why tease Alucard like that? It doesn't make much sense.
I think it'll be in modern times because the epilogue of LOS1 seemed to mark the beginning of a new quest, and if they're not going to make any more games, I don't know when they would ever get to this.  For a brief moment after watching the trailer, I thought maybe it'd take place in an earlier time period.  But when I read the story on the website:
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"In this shocking conclusion to the Lords of Shadow saga, Dracula returns once again, weakened and yearning for release from his immortal bonds. Facing a new and powerful threat, the vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key. However, the famed Belmont clan also seek his ultimate destruction."

I went quickly back to thinking it'd be modern.  Weakened and yearning for release of his immortal bonds sounds exactly like what we saw in the LOS epilogue.  He starts out weak, just like in the epilogue.  "Satan" doesn't strike me as a "new" threat, but it's probably what's meant anyways (unless he's gonna take on Galamoth?) 

I surmise the trailer we saw was the epilogue to the game.  Perhaps it leads in to a small tutorial so you can get a taste of what Dracula's fully capable of when he's not all decrepit and understand what you need to aspire to be.  Or perhaps you'll actually fight as Alucard for a brief moment, and afterwards a SotN inspired crawl screen that will say "It was Alucard who destroyed Dracula hundreds of years ago..." and then it drops you into the epilogue time period as Dracula.  Maybe the prologue is a recap of what happened at the end of Mirror of Fate.

Of course, if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time my hunches were completely off.  I kinda hope they are.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Profbeanburrito on June 01, 2012, 04:09:49 PM
That trailer was amazing, and Alucard looks pretty awesome, so I can't wait to see what happens.

The only thing that disappointed me is this:

"In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, the origin of Dracula and his legendary connection with the Belmonts was revealed. In Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, fans can expect thrilling new twists and challenges. In this shocking conclusion to the Lords of Shadow saga, Dracula returns once again, weakened and yearning for release from his immortal bonds. Facing a new and powerful threat, the vampire lord must reacquire his old powers – and only his castle holds the key. However, the famed Belmont clan also seek his ultimate destruction."

"shocking conclusion to the Lords of Shadow saga"! Im so glad MercurySteam has taken over Castlevania, I just want them to keep doing it! But who knows. I'm so excited for both of tHe games to come out
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ascension on June 01, 2012, 04:10:33 PM
is that SATAN strung up on the ceiling at the beginning?

I think you're right.  I first thought it was just a plain statue, but since you mentioned it, it does look like him!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Flame on June 01, 2012, 04:45:49 PM
Isnt it a statue of Satan?

Like, because he defeated Satan he has a crucified satan or some shit, IDFK.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 04:51:20 PM
Man when Dracula dropped onto the battlefield I bet the soldiers were like "Ok who's bright idea was it to siege Dracula's castle, at night?!"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 06:01:01 PM
Oh please,

Lets not turn this topic into a another "IGA fucking storys suck Cox is better" type of thread shall we?

Oh please yourself,

My quote was in response to someone basically sh*tting on the LoS story arch en mass, by comparing it to piss poor Hollywood writing. Granted, the story in LoS left a lot to be desired, but it certainly wasn't any worse than anything that came before it in the series.

Also, where did I specifically point out Iga? I didn't.  All I did was say that the series overall has never had great writing. Yeah, we as fans enjoy it for what it's worth, but that's because we're gamers who specifically enjoy gothic settings, as well as many of us growing up with Cv (to a kid Pokemon seems deep).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
Oh please yourself,



wow, what a good comeback and mature response you just made sir! *sarcasm*.

Lets not act like children here.

The reason why I quoted YOU is because you where going to continue the whole "LOS is better than the old story" debate that has derailed many topics.

And the reason I mentioned IGA is because that is who a see a lot of LOS fans shitting on around here when it comes to the "problems" with the old canon.

If you did not mean him my apologies.

But there was a better way at going about posting other than being so hostile.

Like I said, it brings the mood down.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
wow, what a good comeback and mature response you just made sir! *sarcasm*.

Lets not act like children here.

The reason why I quoted YOU is because you where going to continue the whole "LOS is better than the old story" debate that has derailed many topics.

And the reason I mentioned IGA is because that is who a see a lot of LOS fans shitting on around here when it comes to the "problems" with the old canon.

If you did not mean him my apologies.

But there was a better way at going about posting other than being so hostile.

Like I said, it brings the mood down.

My response was no more antagonistic than yours. At least be honest and own up to it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 06:26:51 PM
My response was no more antagonistic than yours. At least be honest and own up to it.

How was my antagonistic?

I was asking you (and everyone else) not to turn this into another Cox vs IGA war thread.

The thing is my post was not directed ENTIRELY at you, but since your post was the last one to be seen in the debate I quoted it.

sheesh, you try to keep things civil and stuff like this happens lol.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 06:33:32 PM
How was my antagonistic?

I was asking you (and everyone else) not to turn this into another Cox vs IGA war thread.

The thing is my post was not directed ENTIRELY at you, but since your post was the last one to be seen in the debate I quoted it.

sheesh, you try to keep things civil and stuff like this happens lol.

And how was my response "hostile" and yours not? I suppose everyone is immune to the stink of their own sh*t.

How about we just let it drop. Ok? Sorry if I was being an a-hole.

Here's to a long and lasting friendship....


Top Ten Mortal Kombat Friendships (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ENBgafB0Y#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 06:41:47 PM
And how was my response "hostile" and yours not? I suppose everyone is immune to the stink of their own sh*t.
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Well you supposed wrong.

While my "oh please," was directed at everyone who wants to continue the whole "Iga vs Cox" war while your "oh please," was you being hostile at me because you thought I was being hostile towards you.

Also the second part of your post (which you edited) had a bit of sarcasm in it when you asked about the IGA thing.

But yea its not big deal really, I'm willing to just drop it if you are.

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How about we just let it drop. Ok? Sorry if I was being an a-hole.

Your post would have been much better if you had just used this part and the video of friendship. ;D

That way this thing could have been over without me having to explain myself towards the accusations about me.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 06:44:54 PM
Hooray for friendship.

Probably one of the few arguments on this site that ends so amiably.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 06:51:03 PM
Yes, lets just let it go. More important things in life and all that :)


lol @ whoever if following me around an dinging all my posts though. Just noticed that. Oh well, ding away people, I hope it makes you feel justified.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Koutei on June 01, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
SEPTEMBER 3, 2010
http://www.ripten.com/2010/09/03/hands-on-with-the-final-version-of-lords-of-shadow-and-producer-david-cox-getsome/ (http://www.ripten.com/2010/09/03/hands-on-with-the-final-version-of-lords-of-shadow-and-producer-david-cox-getsome/)

David Cox: I don’t want to be Mr. Castelvania.  I want to do Lords of Shadow and maybe do another one, but after that I would love to see what other people bring to the series and the Castlevania mythology.

David Cox said, "other people". He didn't say, "I return it to Igarashi". I think that a baton does not necessarily return to Igarashi even if LoS finishes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 06:57:11 PM
SEPTEMBER 3, 2010
http://www.ripten.com/2010/09/03/hands-on-with-the-final-version-of-lords-of-shadow-and-producer-david-cox-getsome/ (http://www.ripten.com/2010/09/03/hands-on-with-the-final-version-of-lords-of-shadow-and-producer-david-cox-getsome/)

David Cox: I don’t want to be Mr. Castelvania.  I want to do Lords of Shadow and maybe do another one, but after that I would love to see what other people bring to the series and the Castlevania mythology.

David Cox said, "other people". He didn't say, "I return it to Igarashi". I think that a baton does not necessarily return to Igarashi even if LoS finishes.

well it would seem that Cox may be attempting to keep his word than.

He said 2 more games after LOS and he is done and that would appear to be the case with the headlines regarding LOS2 being the "shocking conclusion" to the LOS canon.

The baton doesn't necessarily have to go back to IGA alone.

They could still keep the future handheld entries limited to IGA for a few attempts but pass the main series on the consoles to someone like Platinum Games or Wayforward or something.

One question I have is, how will the gameplay be in this one?

I hope it isn't just a simple spin on the gameplay introduced in LOS since I would like to see some new gameplay mechanic.

Like how does the idea of making it similar to metroid other m sound?

Like making it to where at times you have a 2.D view (but still able to move in 3D) while other times you have full 3.D?

making it 50/50 would be a great idea if you ask me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lumas on June 01, 2012, 07:01:48 PM
Okay I'm going to say this, regardless of your opinion of LOS it is actually really nice seeing Dracula get his hands dirty for once, in all the games we never really seen him go all out like we got to in the trailer. So whatever your opinion is whether you hate LOS or love it you must admit it is cool to see Dracula actually do something other than sit on a throne, come out of a coffin, throw fire balls, etc etc.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 07:04:36 PM
Okay I'm going to say this, regardless of your opinion of LOS

just to be clear, who are you referring to?

If your referring to everyone in general than it would be best not to use "your" if you ask me lol.

Can cause confusion for the guy who posted above you (as proven lol).
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Post by: Lumas on June 01, 2012, 07:08:33 PM
just to be clear, who are you referring to?

If your referring to everyone in general than it would be best not to use "your" if you ask me lol.

Can cause confusion for the guy who posted above you (as proven lol).

Good thing I wasn't asking you. No offense.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 01, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
Good thing I wasn't asking you. No offense.

wow, just because you put "no offense" doesn't excuse you being a jerk dude.

I was just asking if you where referring to me or just anyone in general.

No need to be a jerk about it.

In retrospect, I was probably looking to much into it, but I honestly did expect this kind of post in return.

Seems like hostility is just bound to show up around here lol.

Just forget I asked dude. ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Lumas on June 01, 2012, 07:14:39 PM
It's forgotten no worries. I was just bringing up another point  that we all could agree on.
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Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Let's all agree that it's a good thing that Castlevania is coming back into the AAA spotlight.

I'm sure that's something everyone can get behind.
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Post by: Little Dracula on June 01, 2012, 07:28:17 PM
Sad news about MS and Cox leaving, but I can understand it, they don't want to be stuck with Castlevania like IGA did, specially MS, a game developer nneeds to make more than one game over and over again. Let's hope Konami does the right thing.
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Post by: Lumas on June 01, 2012, 07:34:36 PM
Sad news about MS and Cox leaving, but I can understand it, they don't want to be stuck with Castlevania like IGA did, specially MS, a game developer nneeds to make more than one game over and over again. Let's hope Konami does the right thing.


Yeah I agree I would've like one more game (due to my ocd) but you have an excellent point it will be sad but maybe this will allow for others to try their hand and see if maybe there could be a game we all could get behind.
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Post by: RichterB on June 01, 2012, 07:39:08 PM
Curious. There are only a handful of posters in this thread it seems like...

Anyway...

*I actually think it is extremely admirable and responsible of Cox and MS not to stick with Castlevania and their version of it. Castlevania has always been best when no one had a monopoly on it. The concept of it is very fluid in its execution, allowing for many different takes. I honestly think the concept of a timeline has become superfluous--it's really at the expense of the franchise long-term. You can't solve gameplay with story; these are games, not movies or novels. Regardless, if one person had been in charge of Castlevania always, it's far less likely that we'd have had the fun variety we did in the 80s and 90s. For instance, Super Castlevania IV and Bloodlines are equally valid, but distinct takes on the same source material; and the same could be said for bigger outliers like Simon's Quest, SotN (for its time), CV64/LoD, etc). If given the opportunity, trust, and resources, I'm positive there are other, equally valid ways to capture the future of Castlevania in 2D and 3D, and do it in ways that exceed our expectations.

*I think the "future timeline" seen at the end of LoS will be at least a part of LoS2. This is the "conclusion," so it has to deal with that. Essentially, it's like getting the 1999 battle of this timeline. One wonders if the "new threat" could include modern weaponry and soldiers...Wouldn't surprise me given that this LoS series has taken some influences from the Underworld movie series already.

*Dracula getting his hands dirty, as someone noted earlier, actually is reminiscent of Sauron's rampage from Lord of the Rings: FotR--big evil dude gets into the middle of a siege on his tower and sends armored knights flying around in clumps like bowling pins.

*If Alucard is a mirror image of Trevor as some say, maybe he isn't Trevor, but Trevor's own "Lord of Shadow"? (The series has a strange title if there is only one Lord of Shadow left for two of the three games; especially since that Lord of Shadow is Dracula).

EDIT: To my first bullet point reply, I have to add that I get the feeling that Lords of Shadow and Lords of Shadow 2 were ultimately attempts to make Castlevania palatable to modern gamers who have a fixed (perhaps even limited) image of what "action games" are, due to titles like God of War. Konami wanted an answer to that trend/their own dog to put in that race. On the other hand, I get the feeling that Mirror of Fate is more of an attempt to please a wider audience and keep Castlevania relevant in the portable market, while rebuilding the brand's overall presence/frequency in the overall marketplace.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 01, 2012, 07:45:32 PM
One question I have is, how will the gameplay be in this one?
oh that's right, i completely forgot to ponder about the gameplay.

i guess one starting point is to think of him as a combination of his "Gabriel" persona except with a fire whip and Laura.  i wonder if the fire whip will be his "main" attack, or more of a special attack that requires him to first suck some blood before using?  if he doesn't have a sword or constant whip, i guess all his moves that don't involve his fangs or claws might drain some energy that gets replenished with blood.  there's plenty of powerful attacks from other games that can make cameos in his arsenal.  i'm sure he'll have plenty of nasty grab attacks that require some some QTE.  and then of course there's shapeshifting.  his gauntlet also seems to have returned.

another possibility (unlikely?) is that he could play rather similarly to Soma in that he could call upon all sorts of monsters for special abilities.

i have to wonder who he will be fighting in the game.  will it be humans, including Brotherhood knights, with the occasional Belmont and Titan as a boss?  the "acolytes of Satan", including all sorts of devil worshippers and hellspawn?  or even the monsters of his own castle that he needs to defeat in order to retrieve his power source in the castle and regain his mastery over them.  or all of the above?
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 01, 2012, 07:53:30 PM

Yeah I agree I would've like one more game (due to my ocd) but you have an excellent point it will be sad but maybe this will allow for others to try their hand and see if maybe there could be a game we all could get behind.

Although I dig your signature pic, it's kinda large...
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Post by: Lumas on June 01, 2012, 07:54:56 PM
Although I dig your signature pic, it's kinda large...

Thats what she said.
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Post by: Charlotte-nyo:3 on June 01, 2012, 07:56:53 PM
I have a perplexing question. Do you guys think Konami and the higher ups will end up letting Cox and MS leave CV after this as they indicate they want to? I remember vaguely what happened with MGS and Kojima saying so-and-so MGS entry will be his last one and the team he trained with carry on with it, then being goaded back into doing more and more of them. That may not be the same situation, but this situation certainly reminds me of it.
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Post by: Lumas on June 01, 2012, 08:00:56 PM
I have a perplexing question. Do you guys think Konami and the higher ups will end up letting Cox and MS leave CV after this as they indicate they want to? I remember vaguely what happened with MGS and Kojima saying so-and-so MGS entry will be his last one and the team he trained with carry on with it, then being goaded back into doing more and more of them. That may not be the same situation, but this situation certainly reminds me of it.

That's a good point and an interesting one to ponder upon.....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: GuyStarwind on June 01, 2012, 08:02:42 PM
Okay did they announce Cox was only doing three games? I know the site said the the shocking conclusion but is there some other word on?
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Post by: RichterB on June 01, 2012, 08:05:15 PM
I have a perplexing question. Do you guys think Konami and the higher ups will end up letting Cox and MS leave CV after this as they indicate they want to? I remember vaguely what happened with MGS and Kojima saying so-and-so MGS entry will be his last one and the team he trained with carry on with it, then being goaded back into doing more and more of them. That may not be the same situation, but this situation certainly reminds me of it.

Oh, this is definitely a possibility. Yes. But I hope not. If LoS2 is not a dramatic departure from 1, and there's been no indication that it will be, I don't think you can do much more with such a combo-centric game design. It can only be "upgraded" so much in this form. And I rather like the idea of freeing up the franchise to do things where it might be able to please more diverse groups of old and new.

It seems like Mirror of Fate may be the more experimental of the two games with more room to grow in concept. We'll have to wait and see.

For the record, I think that the Simon and Trevor designs may be the coolest things to come out of LoS universe so far.

oh that's right, i completely forgot to ponder about the gameplay.

i guess one starting point is to think of him as a combination of his "Gabriel" persona except with a fire whip and Laura.  i wonder if the fire whip will be his "main" attack, or more of a special attack that requires him to first suck some blood before using?  if he doesn't have a sword or constant whip, i guess all his moves that don't involve his fangs or claws might drain some energy that gets replenished with blood.  there's plenty of powerful attacks from other games that can make cameos in his arsenal.  i'm sure he'll have plenty of nasty grab attacks that require some some QTE.  and then of course there's shapeshifting.  his gauntlet also seems to have returned.

another possibility (unlikely?) is that he could play rather similarly to Soma in that he could call upon all sorts of monsters for special abilities.

i have to wonder who he will be fighting in the game.  will it be humans, including Brotherhood knights, with the occasional Belmont and Titan as a boss?  the "acolytes of Satan", including all sorts of devil worshippers and hellspawn?  or even the monsters of his own castle that he needs to defeat in order to retrieve his power source in the castle and regain his mastery over them.  or all of the above?

You forgot about the possibility of enemy soldiers, tanks, planes, Titan-like "robots," etc if this takes place at all in the future.

I have a feeling the speculated "transformations" of LoS2 will probably play like the various monster "mounts" of LoS1. Like you stated, I think a lot of the basic gameplay will be pieces of what we've seen. The level design is going to be the make or break part, IMO.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 01, 2012, 08:09:12 PM
*I actually think it is extremely admirable and responsible of Cox and MS not to stick with Castlevania and their version of it. Castlevania has always been best when no one had a monopoly on it. The concept of it is very fluid in its execution, allowing for many different takes. I honestly think the concept of a timeline has become superfluous--it's really at the expense of the franchise long-term. You can't solve gameplay with story; these are games, not movies or novels. Regardless, if one person had been in charge of Castlevania always, it's far less likely that we'd have had the fun variety we did in the 80s and 90s. For instance, Super Castlevania IV and Bloodlines are equally valid, but distinct takes on the same source material; and the same could be said for bigger outliers like Simon's Quest, SotN (for its time), CV64/LoD, etc). If given the opportunity, trust, and resources, I'm positive there are other, equally valid ways to capture the future of Castlevania in 2D and 3D, and do it in ways that exceed our expectations.
good points.  i'm rather "emotionally" committed to the original timeline myself and hope its returned to some day.  in the meantime, i'm fine if they continue LoS past the original 3 or start another new timeline with other developers.  maybe irrespective of whether Iga or MS is making the game, Japanese developers will add to the "Akumajo Dracula" timeline or spins offs, while western developers will mainly add to the foundation of the Lords of Shadow games.  i'd be very pleased if that's how things went.
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Post by: JR on June 01, 2012, 08:15:51 PM
Okay did they announce Cox was only doing three games? I know the site said the the shocking conclusion but is there some other word on?

Cox essentially confirmed this on Twitter:

"It will be up to others to take up the torch, however they see fit."
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 01, 2012, 08:19:04 PM
You forgot about the possibility of enemy soldiers, tanks, planes, Titan-like "robots," etc if this takes place at all in the future.

I have a feeling the speculated "transformations" of LoS2 will probably play like the various monster "mounts" of LoS1. Like you stated, I think a lot of the basic gameplay will be pieces of what we've seen. The level design is going to be the make or break part, IMO.
You're right, I forgot, guess its unnatural of thinking of those things being in a Castlevania game, even though they have crept in here and there.  Good comparison between the forms and mounts.
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 01, 2012, 08:27:10 PM
Speaking of IGA, I have yet to even hear him comment on Lords of Shadow or the new timeline at all! I would love to hear his perspective on how he feels about the new games!
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Post by: Vrakanox on June 01, 2012, 08:29:20 PM
I was hoping for Alucards journey through darkness but Cox said Dracula is the main character. We shall see.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 01, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
Speaking of IGA, I have yet to even hear him comment on Lords of Shadow or the new timeline at all! I would love to hear his perspective on how he feels about the new games!
I think I heard of him saying he liked them, but that's about it.  Maybe it was at a convention when both LoS and HD were being presented?  If he's such a fan of Castlevania, I imagine it might be nice to sit back and be a fan again of a game rather than its producer.  What I'm very curious to see is how many elements in LoS related games end up making a cameo in one of his games (assuming he does more).  A part of a song, a name drop, a stage, an enemy, the name of a piece of equipment.  His games certainly had plenty of references in LoS.  Will his games ever acknowledge LoS existed and is part of the fabric of Castlevania now? 
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Post by: GuyStarwind on June 01, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
Cox essentially confirmed this on Twitter:

"It will be up to others to take up the torch, however they see fit."

Ah, thank you.
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Well it seems that LoS is the best selling castlevania game

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/06/01/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-will-conclude-the-lords-of-shadow-saga/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/06/01/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-will-conclude-the-lords-of-shadow-saga/)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dominus on June 01, 2012, 09:16:50 PM
Marie's tomb, I hadnt thought that



And yeah, LoS being the best selling CV was a granted
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Post by: Kingshango on June 01, 2012, 09:27:37 PM
Im gonna assume that sarcophagus was Marie's.

I don't know if anyone noticed but there is another sarcophagus by the mirror ( thought it was a reflection at first). Could that have been Dracula's second wife and mother to Alucard?
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Post by: Gaawa-chan on June 01, 2012, 10:16:39 PM
Man when Dracula dropped onto the battlefield I bet the soldiers were like "Ok who's bright idea was it to siege Dracula's castle, at night?!"

Lol.


They wouldn't throw him in there if it wasn't Alucard, they know how important the character is to Castlevania fans.

I think it would be a huge mistake to have a build-up like that and then have it turn out to be a different character than the one expected.  It's NOT nice to troll your fan-base like that. D:

At any rate, I'm certain it's not Hector/Joachim/Juste, because frankly, none of them were important/popular enough to warrant such a spotlight/build-up.  I suppose it could be some Trevor/Alucard hybrid.
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Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
Im gonna assume that sarcophagus was Marie's.

I don't know if anyone noticed but there is another sarcophagus by the mirror ( thought it was a reflection at first). Could that have been Dracula's second wife and mother to Alucard?

Well if Trevor is Alucard, and its highly suspect that he is, then its perfectly possible for Marie to already be Alucard's mother
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 01, 2012, 11:01:04 PM
Just a random thought, but out of all the post I have not seen one that says "Hey Gabriel should impale some brotherhoods members like a skewer"
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Post by: Gaawa-chan on June 01, 2012, 11:09:05 PM
Just a random thought, but out of all the post I have not seen one that says "Hey Gabriel should impale some brotherhoods members like a skewer"

I will be sorely disappointed if there is no Impaler reference, come to think of it...
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 01, 2012, 11:17:07 PM
speaking of dead brotherhood members, i wonder if Cardinal Volpe, or whatever his name was, who sent all those knights to their deaths, meets with a gruesome end. 
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Post by: Flame on June 02, 2012, 12:21:50 AM
If I remember right, wasnt Symphony the only game that had any kind of Impaler reference, with the skewered bodies in the place you first meet Death in?

I suppose we just got used to having Dracula never actually impale anyone. Classic Dracula just- hate to say it- wasn't quite that hardcore.
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Post by: Charlotte-nyo:3 on June 02, 2012, 12:22:32 AM
Well it seems that LoS is the best selling castlevania game

While possible, I'm not entirely sure one can conclude that from "Castlevania: Lords of Shadow is the most successful Castlevania game to be released in the franchise’s history." If it said "most financially successful" then yes. There are other singular and combined metrics for success (combined with sales and other things) that even factor in business-wise, like brand notoriety and such.
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Post by: Omegasigma on June 02, 2012, 01:41:42 AM
that entire army had better be on stakes after that battle, just so he can live up to his name >.>
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Post by: e105beta on June 02, 2012, 01:55:45 AM
While possible, I'm not entirely sure one can conclude that from "Castlevania: Lords of Shadow is the most successful Castlevania game to be released in the franchise’s history." If it said "most financially successful" then yes. There are other singular and combined metrics for success (combined with sales and other things) that even factor in business-wise, like brand notoriety and such.

Well we know its not the most public, popular, or highest-reviewed Castlevania ever released, so that really only leaves sales.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on June 02, 2012, 02:15:27 AM
Hey guys, just chiming in with a quick LoS2 wallpaper I made. Only spent about 10 minutes on it, but I thought maybe a few people might want it, so here it is....



http://imageshack.us/f/827/los2quickwall.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/827/los2quickwall.jpg/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Vampire Killer on June 02, 2012, 02:18:35 AM
If I remember right, wasnt Symphony the only game that had any kind of Impaler reference, with the skewered bodies in the place you first meet Death in?

I suppose we just got used to having Dracula never actually impale anyone. Classic Dracula just- hate to say it- wasn't quite that hardcore.

Your forgetting the impaled enemies in the upside-down Library.

Call yourself a Castlevania fan? Pah! ;)
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Post by: Lumas on June 02, 2012, 03:40:22 AM
No actually there were impaled enemies in cv64 during the first stage.
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Post by: uzo on June 02, 2012, 06:32:06 AM
It's NOT nice to troll your fan-base like that. D:

They already have a history of doing exactly that. It wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 06:48:26 AM
Well after seeing someone bring up the wolf and how it might be this new guy I decided to go back and have a look at it and judging by the same eyes they both have it would appear that the 2 are definitely one in the same.

Look here

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg411.imageshack.us%2Fimg411%2F436%2Fwolfhr.jpg&hash=a4b61a328df555efbc58b8653469b14d) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/411/wolfhr.jpg/)

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(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg189.imageshack.us%2Fimg189%2F1411%2Falym.png&hash=38c2105cbe82d1f2721026249669c004) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/alym.png/)
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Post by: Nox_A15 on June 02, 2012, 06:51:55 AM
You know who should REALLY get Castlevania next?

FROM SOFTWARE.

Hmm, that would be interesting. A mix between Demon's/Dark Souls and Simon's Quest? That would be something totally different. I love the idea. :)
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Post by: shelverton. on June 02, 2012, 06:56:05 AM
I have so many questions about this game.

First of all, we know that we'll be playing as Drac in his own castle. It seems a little strange to be collecting power ups and abilities in your own home. Like; "Now where did I put my double jump ability? Oh yes, in the ABYSS, behind those deadly spikes! Damn, the spike breaker armor is at the top of the clock tower. Why did I scatter my stuff like this? Should've went to IKEA and got myself some nice closets, great for storage!"

Also, I wonder about the enemies. Are we fighting human enemies? Or will Drac be killing skeletons, bats and stuff? In his own home? Maybe if Drac's been away from his castle for quite a while, his minions doesn't recognize him anymore. "Hello medusa head, I'm home! Wait... What are you..... HEY stop flying towards me in a wavey pattern!"

Or maybe the enemies are Satan's minions, not Drac's? Did they take over Dracula's castle maybe?

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Post by: Neobelmont on June 02, 2012, 07:08:01 AM
I have so many questions about this game.

First of all, we know that we'll be playing as Drac in his own castle. It seems a little strange to be collecting power ups and abilities in your own home. Like; "Now where did I put my double jump ability? Oh yes, in the ABYSS, behind those deadly spikes! Damn, the spike breaker armor is at the top of the clock tower. Why did I scatter my stuff like this? Should've went to IKEA and got myself some nice closets, great for storage!"

Also, I wonder about the enemies. Are we fighting human enemies? Or will Drac be killing skeletons, bats and stuff? In his own home? Maybe if Drac's been away from his castle for quite a while, his minions doesn't recognize him anymore. "Hello medusa head, I'm home! Wait... What are you..... HEY stop flying towards me in a wavey pattern!"

Or maybe the enemies are Satan's minions, not Drac's? Did they take over Dracula's castle maybe?



You sir... are very witty  ;)

But there is one thing I really do not want to say but it has to come out. The combat comparisons with God of war should stop now that Gabriel is a vampire right? Bat,fog,mist maybe something else. And I think it would be very annoying if someone out of the blue said "oh my god he can transform into a bat, wolf thing like in bayonetta" My gut tells me someone  would state that since you could transform in bayonetta last time I checked.
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Post by: Charlotte-nyo:3 on June 02, 2012, 07:13:36 AM
Well we know its not the most public, popular, or highest-reviewed Castlevania ever released, so that really only leaves sales.

But is it possible that it is one of the highest selling CVs that is also one of the most public, popular and highly reviewed? That's what I mean by combined metrics.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2012, 07:35:16 AM
You sir... are very witty  ;)

But there is one thing I really do not want to say but it has to come out. The combat comparisons with God of war should stop now that Gabriel is a vampire right? Bat,fog,mist maybe something else. And I think it would be very annoying if someone out of the blue said "oh my god he can transform into a bat, wolf thing like in bayonetta" My gut tells me someone  would state that since you could transform in bayonetta last time I checked.

Well judging by the artwork with Gabriel holding a sword, im guessing there will be multiple weapons in the game and not just the shadow whip. I think we'll see the ability to conjure various weapons out of darkness like he did in the trailer, so I assume there will be multiple play styles to choose from like swords  spears instead of a single whip giving the combat more variety which could put a stop to all the God of War clone stuff (it still gonna happen regardlesss anyway).

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Castlevania Crypt on June 02, 2012, 08:17:41 AM
First I was surprised when the official title of the game is simply Lords of Shadow 2, I was expecting a subtitle. Now I am surprised to hear that there will not be a Lords of Shadow 3, and they will stop the storyline with this game.

I was thinking they would make at least 1 more LOS game on PS3 to have a trilogy like they did with Dracula's Curse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 02, 2012, 08:29:38 AM
I have so many questions about this game.

First of all, we know that we'll be playing as Drac in his own castle. It seems a little strange to be collecting power ups and abilities in your own home. Like; "Now where did I put my double jump ability? Oh yes, in the ABYSS, behind those deadly spikes! Damn, the spike breaker armor is at the top of the clock tower. Why did I scatter my stuff like this? Should've went to IKEA and got myself some nice closets, great for storage!"

Also, I wonder about the enemies. Are we fighting human enemies? Or will Drac be killing skeletons, bats and stuff? In his own home? Maybe if Drac's been away from his castle for quite a while, his minions doesn't recognize him anymore. "Hello medusa head, I'm home! Wait... What are you..... HEY stop flying towards me in a wavey pattern!"

Or maybe the enemies are Satan's minions, not Drac's? Did they take over Dracula's castle maybe?
Maybe in Dracula's absence the Belmonts are using his Castle as their new clubhouse?

Like in the fanfic I'm currently reading, Castlevania Badass Protagonist Club
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7945707/1/Castlevania_Badass_Protagonist_Club (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7945707/1/Castlevania_Badass_Protagonist_Club)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: MKKhanzo on June 02, 2012, 08:44:58 AM
Its me or Gabula is terrifyingly looking like Shang Tsung in MK Deadly Alliance?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mksecrets.net%2Fimages%2Fmkda%2Fmkda-render02.jpg&hash=018688b3c5e8beb54551a41bd2e4001a)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Little Dracula on June 02, 2012, 09:27:36 AM
I wonder about the timeline in this game, no matter what happen in the past, we know that Dracula is alive in the future, so I wonder if the game will have some chapters set in the future (our present I guess). I really hope they don't play with time paradox, alternative timelines and all this time continuum crap, don't make it more complicated than is needed.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: A-Yty on June 02, 2012, 09:36:07 AM
With so little having happened in the LoS timeline, I don't think they really need any kind of time travel or continuity altering as a plot device. I am interested in the idea of "Mirror of Fate" mainly because it might offer versatility to exploring the castle.

But messing with time and continuity I'd rather leave out. And "dark worlds", "dark doppelgangers" etc.? Please no. There's plenty of that in oh so many games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Charlotte-nyo:3 on June 02, 2012, 09:51:15 AM
Well judging by the artwork with Gabriel holding a sword, im guessing there will be multiple weapons in the game and not just the shadow whip. I think we'll see the ability to conjure various weapons out of darkness like he did in the trailer, so I assume there will be multiple play styles to choose from like swords  spears instead of a single whip giving the combat more variety which could put a stop to all the God of War clone stuff (it still gonna happen regardlesss anyway).

That might end up lending the combat more of a Curse of Darkness-like feel, with weapon choices vs specific types of enemies playing a role. Slow powerful weapons good vs slow armored enemies, quick weapons good vs quick enemies, etc.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Omegasigma on June 02, 2012, 10:11:24 AM
although im glad Dracula will still end up looking like Dracula, Im wondering if this is when he makes his pact with satan, since in the old timeline, it was really explained HOW he get his power, sure there was LoI but it wasnt as in deph as LoS has been, and the new guy, well everyone screems alucard, im holding my breath since I dont know what they are doing yet with this series, id like a true confirmation :p
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2012, 11:55:14 AM
Theory time, I thought I'd chime in on the whole Trevor=Alucard thing so here's my take on it:


Mirror of Fate is supposed to take place 25 years after LOS1 but years before LOS2. Trevor Belmont is the bastard son of Gabriel had has no idea of his existance, this would mean that either Marie had been keeping her pregnacy a secret from Gabriel for some reason, had the baby and secretly gave it to the brotherhood before Gabriel even noticed, or he had been cheating on Marie behind her back and got some girl pregnant and she gave Trevor to the brotherhood and claimed it as Gabriel's biological son Trevor and raised him in secret while Gabriel did his thing during LOS1.

Now here's where I go deeper (heh). In Mirror of Fate your in control of both Trevor and Simon Belmont as well as two other unknown characters taking place centuries into the future. Now here's the thing, if Trevor is Alucard, how could Simon, his distant descendant, exist as a human? (according to our leaker he said that Trevor and Simon are not dhampyr's) So unless Trevor also had a bastard son like Gabriel did (which would be pretty redundant) became a vampire, destroyed his combat cross and changed his name to Alucard to hunt down Dracula till the day he permanantly dies, I don't think Trevor and Alucard are the same person.

The tl:dr Trevor and Alucard are not one and the same unless you guys like the idea of playing as Simon Belcard. :P

And Im changing my sig at Jorges request.  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 02, 2012, 12:15:15 PM
These huge signature pics... I don't think they're needed.
And since people aren't reading between the lines...
**changes the limit**

I went ahead and resized one offending one, and removed another.

Helpful hint:  The IMG tag can be used to resize an image.  Just use the {img width=xxxx height=yyyy}imageurl.url{/img} (and use the square brackets).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2012, 12:26:33 PM
These huge signature pics... I don't think they're needed.
And since people aren't reading between the lines...
**changes the limit**

I went ahead and resized one offending one, and removed another.

Better? :)
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 02, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
These huge signature pics... I don't think they're needed.
And since people aren't reading between the lines...
**changes the limit**

I went ahead and resized one offending one, and removed another.


I do not think the one I have is a problem but if it is I will get rid of it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 02, 2012, 12:29:32 PM
I was about to resize yours, actually... but yours is the least offender of the three I was looking at.

Not everyone has a 1920x1080 resolution or higher, and some people are viewing the forum on their phone.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2012, 12:47:28 PM
Well now that we're all good on the sig business, we can go back on theory mode:

There are two sarcophagus that Gabriel passes by. One is decorated and Gabriel touches it as he walks by, the other one by the mirror is plain and Gabriel just looks at it like he wants nothing to do with what's inside.

My theory is that the decorated sarcophagus belongs to his second wife and mother to Alucard and the non decorated one is Marie and his lack of attention to it means that he's past mourning her and finally moved on. However he still care's about her enough to have her tomb in his castle. Now why is the first tomb decorated? It's might be because his second wife's death may have been recent (well recent during his time as Dracula) and is in now in the process of mourning her now the best way he can, by slaughtering the humans that may have been responsable for her death. Even though it may have happened centuries ago.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: thernz on June 02, 2012, 12:58:12 PM
The Lords 2 prologue should be Gabriel massacring a flurry of Brotherhood jerks
to steal Marie's coffin.

NOW THAT'S LOVE
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 02, 2012, 01:05:33 PM
Is Dracula even going to need to jump to ledges/platform anymore? Dude can just teleport anywhere he wants.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 01:11:42 PM
Well now that we're all good on the sig business, we can go back on theory mode:

There are two sarcophagus that Gabriel passes by. One is decorated and Gabriel touches it as he walks by, the other one by the mirror is plain and Gabriel just looks at it like he wants nothing to do with what's inside.

My theory is that the decorated sarcophagus belongs to his second wife and mother to Alucard and the non decorated one is Marie and his lack of attention to it means that he's past mourning her and finally moved on. However he still care's about her enough to have her tomb in his castle. Now why is the first tomb decorated? It's might be because his second wife's death may have been recent (well recent during his time as Dracula) and is in now in the process of mourning her now the best way he can, by slaughtering the humans that may have been responsable for her death. Even though it may have happened centuries ago.

I pretty much liked EVERYTHING you just said here and I agree.

I much rather have your theory come to fruition than the Trevor becoming Alucard one.

The idea of Gabriel moving on and falling in love with a human women and bearing Alucard sounds like a good idea not to mention it would be pretty similar to the old canon which is a plus for me.

Of course MS can put their own "spin" on it such as the circumstances surrounding Gabriel's new love's death and how Alucard grew to become his enemy later on.

Perhaps Alucard blames Gabriel for her death?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 02, 2012, 01:12:33 PM
I have a feeling this will be there symphony of the night.

I'm thinking

Alucard/Gabriel main characters.

You will obviously have the powers of a vampire, so transformations such as wolf will probably be available. In the video you see him using a magic whip to kill the enemies but in the art you see a sword in his hand, one might conclude we get multiple weapons, and the talk about gabriel exploring his castle....so the gamin mainly takes place within the walls of the castle.

It's all very exciting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 01:29:48 PM
In the video you see him using a magic whip to kill the enemies but in the art you see a sword in his hand

wait what?

He had a sword?

Which art was this?

Can you post a picture here?

I must have missed it.


And someone brought up a interesting point earlier about Gabriel having to traverse through his OWN castle which really does sound pretty damn weird.

I wonder how MS is going to pull this one off since Gabriel should very well know about his own Castle that he has been living in for god knows how long and yet the main objective in this game is to traverse through his own castle looking for way to gain his old powers back.

And also, who the enemies will be is another good question since in Mirror of Fate the castle seems to be occupied by his minions.

So after Mirror of fate was all his minions destroyed?

And now his castle is inhabited by Satan's minions?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2012, 01:38:04 PM
wait what?

He had a sword?

Which art was this?

Can you post a picture here?

I must have missed it.


Here:
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: flyingchai on June 02, 2012, 01:41:52 PM
One of the environment art pieces looked like the castle was in Hell, with Dracula standing on a precipice with long grey hair.
I'm going make a wild stab at this, that when Dracula was destroyed, he and his castle descended into Hell and got overrun by Satan's minions.

That leaked chapter listing starts to make more and more sense....

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 01:42:02 PM
Here:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami-castlevania.com%2F_img%2Fmedia%2Fconceptart%2F4.jpg&hash=d1c70f9655ec9c50c34742af22052aa3)

Oh yea THAT pic.

The one I saw was cut short for some reason and only showed the handle of the weapon in his hand which I thought was a new combat cross at the time.

But its great to see gabriel with a SWORD in this one.

Hopefully its actually a sword and not some WHIP sword or some shit.

I want to see some swordplay in this game as well as whip play.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: CastleDan on June 02, 2012, 01:48:15 PM
yeah the magic whip...

the red bean he was swinging at all the enemies in the trailer...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 01:51:47 PM
I just noticed that there is a pic of the new guy (Alucard) looking into the sword showing his reflection on the official Lords of Shadow 2 site.

If I had known that i would not have went through the trouble of making one myself from the video lol.

But one thing that this does tell me is that they are trying to drop hints purposely to let everyone get a look at this guy (although briefly from the reflection) and be able to tell he is definitely not human.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 02, 2012, 01:53:02 PM
yeah the magic whip...

the red bean he was swinging at all the enemies in the trailer...

Hey, that was cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Dremn on June 02, 2012, 01:56:55 PM
I liked his demonic red whip too. Dracula using his own whip is oddly fitting, despite the irony.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 02:00:06 PM
I liked his demonic red whip too. Dracula using his own whip is oddly fitting, despite the irony.

Yea I liked it to.

But I would love for him to be able to use other weapons such as swords as well.

A spear or demonic lance would be nice so he could impale his enemies.

He is supposed to be the LOS's version of Dracula and Dracula needs to impale some people and I don't think that is possible with a whip.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 02, 2012, 02:02:04 PM
Yea I liked it to.

But I would love for him to be able to use other weapons such as swords as well.

A spear or demonic lance would be nice so he could impale his enemies.

He is supposed to be the LOS's version of Dracula and Dracula needs to impale some people and I don't think that is possible with a whip.

It would be cool if he just created all of his weapons from that red magic hellfiery stuff.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 02:04:54 PM
It would be cool if he just created all of his weapons from that red magic hellfiery stuff.

Yea that could work.

I would however want him to still have to find them however.

Like having to find a certain "glyph" or "dark spell" in the castle for the weapon he desires before he is able to materialize it and use it.
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Post by: Flame on June 02, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
I liked his demonic red whip too. Dracula using his own whip is oddly fitting, despite the irony.

That's WHY it fits. Because of the irony. He's using the very same kind of weapon back at them. Only yknow, evil version.

yeah, him making shadow energy weapons and shit would be neat.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 02, 2012, 02:14:48 PM
That's WHY it fits. Because of the irony. He's using the very same kind of weapon back at them. Only yknow, evil version.

yeah, him making shadow energy weapons and shit would be neat.

I'm wondering we'll be able to transform in giant smoke dragons during normal gameplay.

Would be sweet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: crisis on June 02, 2012, 02:18:06 PM
I think the fact that Dracula can now conjure a "whip-like" weapon comes from The Forgotten One; remember, he could conjure up various weapons too, and one of them was whip-like (although of course, Dracula's has his own spin on it)

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Gaawa-chan on June 02, 2012, 02:22:36 PM
yeah, him making shadow energy weapons and shit would be neat.

Reminds me of Ecclesia's glyph weapons, actually.


The tl:dr Trevor and Alucard are not one and the same unless you guys like the idea of playing as Simon Belcard. :P

Not necessarily.  If Trevor has a kid BEFORE he turns into Alucard... but I hope this isn't the case.  Blegh.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on June 02, 2012, 04:54:38 PM
Yea I liked it to.

But I would love for him to be able to use other weapons such as swords as well.

A spear or demonic lance would be nice so he could impale his enemies.

He is supposed to be the LOS's version of Dracula and Dracula needs to impale some people and I don't think that is possible with a whip.

This is in response to everyone claiming they want some impaling.

Just to let you all know, just in case you already didn't, historically speaking Vlad 'the Impaler' impaled his victims through the anus, allowing their bodies to slowly sink down onto a large wooden stake (pole) until it eventually protruded from their chest, throat, or even mouth.

I for one, DO NOT want to see that in a videogame.
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Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 02, 2012, 05:04:58 PM
Yeah wonder where he picked up that habit. From the Ottoman empire probably, where he was held prisoner when he was just a kid.The Ottoman Turks were know for impaling their foes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 05:07:06 PM
This is in response to everyone claiming they want some impaling.

Just to let you all know, just in case you already didn't, historically speaking Vlad 'the Impaler' impaled his victims through the anus, allowing their bodies to slowly sink down onto a large wooden stake (pole) until it eventually protruded from their chest, throat, or even mouth.

I for one, DO NOT want to see that in a videogame.

Yea I already knew that.

But I was referring to the mainstream media interpretations of his impaling.

Although animes such as Hellsing did show him impaling through the anus, but that was a very mature anime to begin with.

I really do not care for the specifics of it, just so long as people know that he was known as "Vlad the impaler" and thus it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be trough the anus if you ask me, just so long as he is impaling some enemies.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 02, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
Is Dracula even going to need to jump to ledges/platform anymore? Dude can just teleport anywhere he wants.
Perhaps teleportation is one of the last skills he recovers?

Glad the pic with the sword was shown, that clears things up quite a bit.

As far as Trevor = Alucard goes, I think I'll buy into that theory for now.  While the three games span hundreds of years, I don't think there's enough games for there to be "another" lover for Dracula and another character for the player to become emotionally invested in.  When Dracula ultimately becomes "redeemed", I'm expecting Marie's smiling face to beam back at him from the beyond, not two women's.  But yeah, it's possible he had a mistress or second love, but I'm gonna guess "no". 

That does leave it a mystery on how Trevor transforms into Alucard.  There could be some clever plot device to explain this, perhaps involving a mirror.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 02, 2012, 05:35:34 PM
Its me or Gabula is terrifyingly looking like Shang Tsung in MK Deadly Alliance?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mksecrets.net%2Fimages%2Fmkda%2Fmkda-render02.jpg&hash=018688b3c5e8beb54551a41bd2e4001a)
I agree, the resemblance is uncanny.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 02, 2012, 05:41:43 PM
Yea I already knew that.

But I was referring to the mainstream media interpretations of his impaling.

Although animes such as Hellsing did show him impaling through the anus, but that was a very mature anime to begin with.

I really do not care for the specifics of it, just so long as people know that he was known as "Vlad the impaler" and thus it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be trough the anus if you ask me, just so long as he is impaling some enemies.
Maybe, after the LoS series concludes, whom ever gets the CV series next will re-imagine Dracula more closely to historic Vlad III. That could be interesting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2012, 05:43:56 PM
Perhaps teleportation is one of the last skills he recovers?

Glad the pic with the sword was shown, that clears things up quite a bit.

As far as Trevor = Alucard goes, I think I'll buy into that theory for now.  While the three games span hundreds of years, I don't think there's enough games for there to be "another" lover for Dracula and another character for the player to become emotionally invested in.  When Dracula ultimately becomes "redeemed", I'm expecting Marie's smiling face to beam back at him from the beyond, not two women's.  But yeah, it's possible he had a mistress or second love, but I'm gonna guess "no". 

That does leave it a mystery on how Trevor transforms into Alucard.  There could be some clever plot device to explain this, perhaps involving a mirror.

There is another hole in the Trevor=Alucard theory that I just realized. If Trevor did somehow become a vampire like Gabriel did, how was he able to cast a refection on the sword?
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Post by: Kale on June 02, 2012, 06:36:42 PM
Has any game play been released yet? Despite the shortcomings of LoS, it wasn't a horrid game and I did enjoy some of it. Much like I enjoyed other CV games that weren't stellar.

So I want to know if they added more crap or not.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 02, 2012, 06:42:35 PM
i'm guessing we'll have to wait until E3 starts before getting any more details or gameplay videos.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 02, 2012, 07:02:23 PM
There is another hole in the Trevor=Alucard theory that I just realized. If Trevor did somehow become a vampire like Gabriel did, how was he able to cast a refection on the sword?
They can always say it's some ethereal sword, made from the metal bones of a demon angel. Or they can say something like Dhampirs cast reflections. Did Alucard go reflectionless in the old canon(I honestly can't remember)?

While I'm warming up to playing as Gabriel again(because they aren't going to stretch it to GoW lengths, since LoS sub-series is ending, we aren't going to get "Dracula: The Anti-Hero: The Series")., I can't help to think playing as Dracula this once might mean more NIGHT set locales. I mean, I didn't care for the day time areas of LoS(and pretty adamantly stated that even in the old CV games, I disliked the day stages, so it's not bias against LoS, but bias against day stages that spans the entire series). Since we are playing as a vampire, looks like more gloomy, dark, spooky locations! I hope they don't go, "Oh, Dracula's an exception this time, he's so strong, he can WALK in the daylight!". No... please, no.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 02, 2012, 07:14:37 PM
Or they can say something like Dhampirs cast reflections. Did Alucard go reflectionless in the old canon(I honestly can't remember)?



If we are going off of DOS than Alucard does not cast a reflection.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel - Announcement Thread (Merged)
Post by: e105beta on June 02, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
They can always say it's some ethereal sword, made from the metal bones of a demon angel. Or they can say something like Dhampirs cast reflections. Did Alucard go reflectionless in the old canon(I honestly can't remember)?

While I'm warming up to playing as Gabriel again(because they aren't going to stretch it to GoW lengths, since LoS sub-series is ending, we aren't going to get "Dracula: The Anti-Hero: The Series")., I can't help to think playing as Dracula this once might mean more NIGHT set locales. I mean, I didn't care for the day time areas of LoS(and pretty adamantly stated that even in the old CV games, I disliked the day stages, so it's not bias against LoS, but bias against day stages that spans the entire series). Since we are playing as a vampire, looks like more gloomy, dark, spooky locations! I hope they don't go, "Oh, Dracula's an exception this time, he's so strong, he can WALK in the daylight!". No... please, no.

My guess is the explanation will be "He's half human, so his human half reflects onto the sword"
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Post by: Dremn on June 02, 2012, 07:47:59 PM
I'm gonna flip my shit if they announce a WiiU version on Tuesday. I really hope there is one in the cards, it would be a tremendous mistake not to jump on that opportunity ASAP.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2012, 07:50:32 PM
My guess is the explanation will be "He's half human, so his human half reflects onto the sword"

I think that's what they're gonna go with, "Alucard will have just enough human in his blood to cast a reflection."
They can always say it's some ethereal sword, made from the metal bones of a demon angel. Or they can say something like Dhampirs cast reflections. Did Alucard go reflectionless in the old canon(I honestly can't remember)?

While I'm warming up to playing as Gabriel again(because they aren't going to stretch it to GoW lengths, since LoS sub-series is ending, we aren't going to get "Dracula: The Anti-Hero: The Series")., I can't help to think playing as Dracula this once might mean more NIGHT set locales. I mean, I didn't care for the day time areas of LoS(and pretty adamantly stated that even in the old CV games, I disliked the day stages, so it's not bias against LoS, but bias against day stages that spans the entire series). Since we are playing as a vampire, looks like more gloomy, dark, spooky locations! I hope they don't go, "Oh, Dracula's an exception this time, he's so strong, he can WALK in the daylight!". No... please, no.


I wouldn't be surprised if there's a scenerio in the game where Dracula has to navigate past sunlight, with hunters looking for him inside a building.

And I just had a thought, what if you encounter enemies who have access to holy water? Or worse, a Belmont that has the ability to item crash with holy water and uses HYDRO STORM on you? :o
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 02, 2012, 08:27:37 PM
And I just had a thought, what if you encounter enemies who have access to holy water? Or worse, a Belmont that has the ability to item crash with holy water and uses HYDRO STORM on you? :o
Better hope mist form lasts long enough to weather the storm.
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Post by: Tanatra on June 02, 2012, 08:29:02 PM
More titans, the same style of amazingly composed but "not CV enough" music, and name drops that will only leave people disappointed. (Seriously, nobody is going to be satisfied with Mercury Steam's take on Alucard, if he is indeed in the game.)

Suffice to say, this will probably be a great game, but anybody who didn't like LoS b/c of all the usual reasons isn't going to be impressed with LoS2 either.

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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 02, 2012, 08:45:57 PM
More titans, the same style of amazingly composed but "not CV enough" music, and name drops that will only leave people disappointed. (Seriously, nobody is going to be satisfied with Mercury Steam's take on Alucard, if he is indeed in the game.)

Suffice to say, this will probably be a great game, but anybody who didn't like LoS b/c of all the usual reasons isn't going to be impressed with LoS2 either.
You're breaking my heart. I have the hopes of hope that Cox did listen to the fans on this one, and that he isn't just using the criticism towards MoF ONLY. Particularly in the titan and "wally shimmying" aspects.

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Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2012, 08:54:22 PM
More titans, the same style of amazingly composed but "not CV enough" music, and name drops that will only leave people disappointed. (Seriously, nobody is going to be satisfied with Mercury Steam's take on Alucard, if he is indeed in the game.)

Suffice to say, this will probably be a great game, but anybody who didn't like LoS b/c of all the usual reasons isn't going to be impressed with LoS2 either.

To be fair, Dracula did take out that titan fairly quickly without climbing it and with his teleportation power it would seen that he has no need for wall shimmying.

Besides im sure Cox listened to the fan criticism and addressed the problems the first game had the best they can considering this is their last Castlevania game.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on June 02, 2012, 09:13:31 PM
As much as I'm sure I'm gonna love LoS2, if I have to balance walk over a plank I'm gonna be seriously pissed. Some wall climbing I can deal with, but plank walking is a big annoyance.
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Post by: shelverton. on June 02, 2012, 09:24:19 PM
To be fair, Dracula did take out that titan fairly quickly without climbing it and with his teleportation power it would seen that he has no need for wall shimmying.

Though I doubt we'll be as powerful in the game as that trailer suggests. It's probably only a prologue, showing Dracula at his most powerful. The Dracula we'll be playing as will be seriously weakened and older. Though maybe towards the end of the game we'll be ripping Titans apart like in the trailer!
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 02, 2012, 09:28:39 PM
Though I doubt we'll be as powerful in the game as that trailer suggests. It's probably only a prologue, showing Dracula at his most powerful. The Dracula we'll be playing as will be seriously weakened and older. Though maybe towards the end of the game we'll be ripping Titans apart like in the trailer!
I'd actually love it if there weren't any Titans. The one seen in the trailer seemed more like a steampunk-ish crude robot than a Titan. I was hoping the Titans, in LoS, were the last few remnants of the ancient times, and since then, they're gone forever. Thinknig the same about the goblins and trolls(which are said to be becoming extinct). 
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Post by: e105beta on June 02, 2012, 09:31:05 PM
Powerful or no, I don't see Dracula doing much platforming other than jumping. He just doesn't seem like a balance beam kind of guy.

I'd actually love it if there weren't any Titans. The one seen in the trailer seemed more like a steampunk-ish crude robot than a Titan. I was hoping the Titans, in LoS, were the last few remnants of the ancient times, and since then, they're gone forever. Thinknig the same about the goblins and trolls(which are said to be becoming extinct).

I feel like of all the monsters that were said to be going extinct in LoS it was said for a reason. It further enforces my belief that the dark fairtytale feel of LoS was intentional. Again, it was pre-Dracula story, not a post Dracula story.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 02, 2012, 09:47:24 PM
Powerful or no, I don't see Dracula doing much platforming other than jumping. He just doesn't seem like a balance beam kind of guy.

I feel like of all the monsters that were said to be going extinct in LoS it was said for a reason. It further enforces my belief that the dark fairtytale feel of LoS was intentional. Again, it was pre-Dracula story, not a post Dracula story.
Seeing THIS Gabriel, the badass in the trailer, trying to balance on a wooden beam... I just can't picture it. Human Gabriel, sure, but this badass, teetering as he walks slowly, that would be a joke, even if he's "weakned Dracula".

And yeah, when you put it that way, it makes perfect sense regarding LoS and the "creatures of lore"/Dark Fairy Tale thing. It's basically the end of the age of legends. Come Dracula, it's a new age. Hopefully a darker age. I'm still wondering if what we face will be composed majority of human enemies. I CAN see then bring back nearly all armor-type enemies, but this time as human knights. And also see, as far as the "new threat" is concerned, facing what ever followers and monsters that "threat" has under it's control.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 02, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
I had to rewatch LoS's epilogue again with new insights after watching LoS2's teaser.  i guess even in his weakened state, Dracula does have his teleport powers. 

also had to note that when Gabe said "Eu Sunt Dracul", Zobek said that he once was, but now, ha.  makes the subtitle "The Dragon Returns" all the more fitting if the game takes off after this scene.  too bad that isn't actually part of the name.  or maybe it is part of the name, just not on the logo?  an alternate name?

LoS Ending:
Castlevania Lords of Shadow Ending Dracula 1080P (True Ending) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK-AMLgn_QQ#ws)
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Post by: e105beta on June 03, 2012, 01:23:36 AM
Seeing THIS Gabriel, the badass in the trailer, trying to balance on a wooden beam... I just can't picture it. Human Gabriel, sure, but this badass, teetering as he walks slowly, that would be a joke, even if he's "weakned Dracula".

That's probably the one issue I have with playing Dracula. They've set himself up as such a badass, I can't see myself doing anything as Dracula that isn't badass. I only worry that it'll get too "dark and edgy" because of it.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 03, 2012, 03:01:29 AM
If there is a mass battle like the one in the trailer, it might be visually cool if there is only one of those. If it becomes a habit, they're once again getting derailed with arena-style combat. I wouldn't want to rip and tear through hordes of enemies - again. I didn't care much for the majority of LoS's combat (which is why them "dropping it as it is" on MoF doesn't appeal to me).

This Dracula might be a hands-on kind of guy, but being a nigh-invincible character isn't a solid foundation for gameplay (that's probably why Superman games must be a pain for the designers who want to make it both loyal to Superman mythos, but also a fulfilling game experience) nor is it particularly interesting in the long run. I want to be able to avoid repetitive and unnecessary confrontations, kind of like how I don't stop to whip up every skeleton or armor or Mini Slimer all the time.
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Post by: Nox_A15 on June 03, 2012, 10:32:16 AM
I still don't want to look at this chapter list, but I'm wondering how MercurySteam is going to connect different time periods in the game. We know for sure they'll do it in Mirror of Fate, with castle being the same building through the ages. But here it looks like the game will begin in some medieval-themed times (LoS2 trailer) and probably end in modern times (after LoS epilogue). Looking at how Throne Room is a part of a cathedral makes me to wonder how the rest of the castle ended up? And where will the action take us from there? To the Satan's Castle?

I think Dracula will be depicted as villain in the beginning just to become more like a "dark hero" at the end - stopping Satan with Zobek's/Death help (hard to imagine... I sense some twist here) and finish his existence on Earth and his torment.

There are so many elements MS prepared for themselves to build interesting story - Gabriel's descendants, Gabriel himself as his "white side" in heaven (I know - that part of LoS epilogue is unclear; just my shot in the dark), Alucard showing up (?)... He may end up fighting with both sides to stop Satan. It would be one hell (no pun intended ;)) of a finale.
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Post by: Charlotte-nyo:3 on June 03, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
Like some other people here, I'm going to be disturbed if Gabriel has to go through some of the more drudging work from LoS1 after having become Dracula. Actually platforming itself might even be a little bit of an issue--at least what to do if the player fails. I mean, Dracula being killed by a simple slip and fall in his own castle? :P They can probably find some way to do it "right" from my perspective (maybe rather than having him die instantly if he falls into a pit and take you back to the jump checkpoint style, just have him teleport out at the last second and punish the player in health for doing it) but I'm unsure if they will.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 03, 2012, 03:23:07 PM
They can probably find some way to do it "right" from my perspective (maybe rather than having him die instantly if he falls into a pit and take you back to the jump checkpoint style, just have him teleport out at the last second and punish the player in health for doing it) but I'm unsure if they will.

But even if they did that and you jumped to a pit enough time to drain all your health..Dracul(a) would have died from falling too many times :P
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Post by: Maedhros on June 03, 2012, 04:13:13 PM
If there is a mass battle like the one in the trailer, it might be visually cool if there is only one of those. If it becomes a habit, they're once again getting derailed with arena-style combat. I wouldn't want to rip and tear through hordes of enemies - again. I didn't care much for the majority of LoS's combat (which is why them "dropping it as it is" on MoF doesn't appeal to me).
I agree. I hate Musou type of games, but if they'll make a battle like this playable, make them not frequent.

Also, you guys actually gave me hope about the platforming in LoS2 being better than the first one. Seeing Dracula wall shimmerying or balancing in planks would be TERRIBLE RIDICULOUS. The platforming needs to be more like Alice Madness or whatever other true 3D platformer out there. Leave GoW/Ninja Gaide influences only on the combat, if you need.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 03, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
Seeing Dracula wall shimmerying or balancing in planks would be TERRIBLE RIDICULOUS. The platforming needs to be more like Alice Madness or whatever other true 3D platformer out there. Leave GoW/Ninja Gaide influences only on the combat, if you need.
Considering the taunts Laura gave Gabriel about how much simpler getting around the castle was if he was a vampire, I'm sure the developers are very aware of this.  They'll probably have a couple areas that look like they could be platformed on just to give you that "thank God I don't have to do this in order to get there" feeling.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 03, 2012, 04:26:33 PM
Yeah I don't see Dracula wall shimmying in LOS2 considering he still has the power of teleportation even at his weakened state. And im sure Mercurysteam are aware of it considering Laura lampshaded it in the game.

Also, it seems like the mystery white haired guy is slowly developing as a meme around the internet. lol

Gotta get my bucket of crow ready for Tuesday, it's gonna be Thanksgiving in June.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 03, 2012, 04:32:03 PM
It's most likely gonna be a double jump with an optional triple teleport-jump.
And pits?  It'll probably work the same way as Batman: Arkham Asylum/City in that he'll just 'teleport'/etc. at the last moment, and there won't be actual death, just him losing a small bit of magic/health in order to get to the spot he was.

Sort of like when Link in the OoT/TP/SS games falls into a pit.  Yeah there's some screaming but he makes it back with only but a scratch.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 03, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
i bet they'll have little spots on the screen that glimmer.  when you press the R2 button, Dracula will teleport there, instead of latching onto it with his whip.
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Post by: CastleDan on June 03, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
You just know they are gonna allow us to have a wolf transformation! The concept art just is teasing the crap out of that.
I do wonder if they will have bat and mist too.

I really am curious if they will make this almost like a symphony of the night/classicvania mix like they are implying with Mirror of fate..
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Post by: Nagumo on June 04, 2012, 12:56:33 AM
Also, it seems like the mystery white haired guy is slowly developing as a meme around the internet. lol

What meme?  :o
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 04, 2012, 12:57:36 AM
I have the impression that, like in LoS' epilogue, Gabriel isn't willing to stay like this. Look at the moment he passes by the mirror, he feels sad/angry. So I don't know if he'd like to have other vampires along him (considering he killed a lot of them durong LoS1).
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Post by: Charlotte-nyo:3 on June 04, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
But even if they did that and you jumped to a pit enough time to drain all your health..Dracul(a) would have died from falling too many times :P

They can make it so that if you have 1 health point left then it doesn't drain anything.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 04, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
They could, but it would feel kind of forced, IMO. If Dracul(a) indeed has all those godly abilities, I think they should build the gameplay around them instead of trying to confine it to a standard platformer character.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 04, 2012, 10:31:21 AM
They could, but it would feel kind of forced, IMO. If Dracul(a) indeed has all those godly abilities, I think they should build the gameplay around them instead of trying to confine it to a standard platformer character.
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Post by: uzo on June 04, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
INSERT SPOILER SHIT HERE

You don't think maybe that needs a SPOILER tag?
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 04, 2012, 10:45:28 AM
Yes, I'd like to take a moment to remind people to use the spoilers.
**ahem**
PLEASE USE SPOILER TAGS
WHEN DISCUSSING LEAKED INFO
AND PLOT POINTS

For those who want to remain (relatively) spoiler free, be wary of the 'discussion' threads and focus on the "Just the facts" threads.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 04, 2012, 10:59:49 AM
We don't know if the chapter list is legit. I'm smelling BS, even though part of me wants it to be true(because the possiblities). Though another part of me thinks the actual game's going to go an entirely different route. Damn, I feel like I'm going to split into two separate entities!!!
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 04, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
Sorry for the Spoiler thing. But people should be aware of them before going into such threads.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 04, 2012, 11:13:15 AM
Im gonna call bs on that chapter list as well. considering what's known.
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Post by: uzo on June 04, 2012, 11:35:12 AM
Speculation is one thing Chernabogue, but discussing what could very well be a legitimate listing of the chapters, which gives away story locations and flow, is a little bit much on the other side of the fence.

We don't know if it is true. It could very well be a total hoax, but what if it wasn't? Would a bomb squad treat a suspicious bag at the airport without precaution because there wasn't any actual proof it is a bomb?

It's very simple. Speculation is fair game, because its just guesses without any way to verify. Discussing big info not officially announced, but seemingly leaked, that's a whole other story. It's pretty easy to tell the difference, and easy to keep those things in a spoiler tag. We had the same issue with LoS1 and the whole future setting ending.
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Post by: shelverton. on June 04, 2012, 12:41:56 PM
In Chernabogues defense, that wasn't so much of a spoiler to me. If you know anything about anything that has anything to do with the first LoS and its ending, it's sort of a given.

But yeah, spoiler tags are good.
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Post by: JR on June 04, 2012, 12:58:01 PM
Man, I very much want to believe that chapter list is real, despite everything pointing to the contrary now.  :'(

Regarding the concept art, the one with Gabriel and the wolf...I know it's been said that the wolf is stalking Gabriel, and therefore could be a shapeshifted Alucard. But to me, it looks like the wolf is accompanying Gabriel, since it's looking right at the viewer. Maybe they just included the wolf in that piece because they thought it would look cool?? I don't know, just adding speculation.

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Post by: Nagumo on June 04, 2012, 01:00:23 PM
^Something unrelated regarding that piece of artwork. Did anyone notice it pays homage to artwork from CoD? The one with all the characters on it. Just look at Hector and you'll know what I mean.   
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Post by: Kingshango on June 04, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
Wacky speculation mode:

The white wolf is Amaterasu and is also Dracula's second wife and you will be able to sick her at enemies as a wolf or transform into a falcon and retrieve far way items from hard to reach spots. And she will alert you if any enemies are around. She will also be able to transform into her true form and wipe out the enemies around you similar to the demon in LOS1.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 04, 2012, 01:05:53 PM
^Something unrelated regarding that piece of artwork. Did anyone notice it pays homage to artwork from CoD? The one with all the characters on it. Just look at Hector and you'll know what I mean.
I totally agree. It pays tribute to Kojima's work. At first, I thought it was Hector or Alucard.
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Post by: e105beta on June 04, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
Wacky speculation mode:

The white wolf is Amaterasu and is also Dracula's second wife and you will be able to sick her at enemies as a wolf or transform into a falcon and retrieve far way items from hard to reach spots. And she will alert you if any enemies are around. She will also be able to transform into her true form and wipe out the enemies around you similar to the demon in LOS1.

That's wacky alright.

Is there any indication Dracula is going to have a second wife in this canon? A few people have been talking about it, feel like if they put her in it would feel super shoehorned in
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Post by: Kingshango on June 04, 2012, 01:27:35 PM
That's wacky alright.

Is there any indication Dracula is going to have a second wife in this canon? A few people have been talking about it, feel like if they put her in it would feel super shoehorned in

Nah no indication at all, those two tombs in the the trailer are not Marie and his second wife at all. Nope no indication whatsoever.
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Post by: e105beta on June 04, 2012, 01:38:42 PM
Nah no indication at all, those two tombs in the the trailer are not Marie and his second wife at all. Nope no indication whatsoever.

I figured one was his.
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Post by: Dominus on June 04, 2012, 01:55:20 PM
That's wacky alright.

Is there any indication Dracula is going to have a second wife in this canon? A few people have been talking about it, feel like if they put her in it would feel super shoehorned in

Marie reincarnated as a woman named Mina perhaps
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Post by: e105beta on June 04, 2012, 02:03:36 PM
Marie reincarnated as a woman named Mina perhaps

Don't even say that.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 04, 2012, 02:31:12 PM
^Something unrelated regarding that piece of artwork. Did anyone notice it pays homage to artwork from CoD? The one with all the characters on it. Just look at Hector and you'll know what I mean.
Also the last scene with fallen knights on the field, looks just like CoD intro.
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Post by: Charlotte-nyo:3 on June 04, 2012, 02:33:07 PM
They could, but it would feel kind of forced, IMO. If Dracul(a) indeed has all those godly abilities, I think they should build the gameplay around them instead of trying to confine it to a standard platformer character.

I tend to agree, but that's usually not how game designers tend go about it I think. If they didn't have pits people would likely complain about that and if they didn't really have much in the way of platforming people would likely complain as well. I'd be fine with no pits in this game and just a "backtrack to where you fell and try again" style thing, but I imagine that would get a lot of people riled up. Also it might be a bit hard given the way they designed levels in LoS, which allowed for a lot of height to add to the impressive air of the areas. That tends to lead to a lot of potential for falls.
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Post by: thernz on June 04, 2012, 02:35:32 PM
Or you could branch out of more traditional molds into experimental stuff like Otogi and etc.
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Post by: Dominus on June 04, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
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What chapter list?
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Post by: Reinhart77 on June 05, 2012, 12:47:25 AM
i hope they draw from Castlevania's diverse lists of demons that have appeared throughout the series.  other than Gremlins and Satan himself, demons really weren't seen in the first game.  Gabriel had to essentially conquer the "Land of the Lycans", "Land of the Vampires", and "Land of the Dead".  Now its time for "Land of the Demons".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on June 05, 2012, 12:57:23 AM
i hope they draw from Castlevania's diverse lists of demons that have appeared throughout the series.  other than Gremlins and Satan himself, demons really weren't seen in the first game.  Gabriel had to essentially conquer the "Land of the Lycans", "Land of the Vampires", and "Land of the Dead".  Now its time for "Land of the Demons".

I liked the increased focus on vampires, but I figure anything involving a war with Satan is going to have demons.

And if there's a "Land of the Demons", it's going to be hell.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 05, 2012, 01:07:50 AM
Dracula is gonna get so duped by the Succubus when she takes the visage of his dead wife.  I just know it.

EDIT
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This scene could always be re-enacted.  Oh no!  Marie went to Hell!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on June 05, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
Where's the [gameplay] beef? The cinema was it?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on June 05, 2012, 05:59:36 PM
Where's the [gameplay] beef? The cinema was it?

Cox said the focus of E3 2012 was going to be on Mirror of Fate.

So LoS 2 is either going to be released late next spring, or after E3 2013
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 05, 2012, 06:07:50 PM
Yeah, MoF seems to be the focus for this year. The LOS2 trailer was just for hype and im positive that it will be shown again at next years E3. *sigh*


In the meantime, im sure Cox will sprinkle offscreen shots over Twitter in the coming months.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dominus on June 06, 2012, 07:36:18 AM
They wont load for me, those bastards
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2012, 07:44:58 AM
Can we please stop with the "if you don't like this screenshot/trailer/whatever, you're a fraud of a fan" fanwankery?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 06, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
Cox just said on Twitter that Trevor is NOT Alucard.

And that Slogra will make a special apperance.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on June 06, 2012, 10:07:58 AM
Because I have nothing better to do on a day off at the moment, here's a compilation of much of Cox's Twitter "Yes No Maybe" session. I skipped the obvious questions like "Is Araujo returning for LOS2" and "Is Trevor Gabriel's son"

- Any sign of LOS 2 of a Wii U release for LOS 2?
No.

- Will LOS 2 expand on the DLC of LOS? Maybe the change more cinematically than with drawings?
Yes!

- LOS 2 gameplay footage anytime soon?
No.

- Will there be multiplayer for LOS 2?
No.

- Mirror of Fate will reveal the story of Gabriel's ancestors", shouldn't it say "Gabriel's descendants" instead?
Maybe.

- Will there be more than one playable character in LOS?
Maybe.

- Will Dracula travel different locations outside the castle?
Yes

- Will Mirror of Fate launch before 2012 Holidays?
Maybe.

- Are we getting more classic Castlevania songs remixed for an of the new games?
Yes.

- Will the Renard and LeCarde clan be playable in Mirror of Fate?
No.

- Is Richard Madden playing Trevor's voice?
Maybe.

- Zobek returning? Will there be a special release of LOS 2 and Mirror of Fate?
Yes

- Will LOS2 be as long as the previous game and are we playing from Gabriel's perspective?
Yes

- Is Gabriel the only playable character in LOS2 or we'll have a chance of something like LoK: Defiance with 2 protagonists?
Maybe

- Will Patrick Stewart's enthralling "I'm sitting by a fire drinking scotch naked' voice return?
Maybe

- Will LoS 2 come out in 2013?
Maybe

- We will see Simon or Trevor in LOS?
No.

- Are Trevor and that Alucard-like guy from the trailer the same person?
No.

- With Gabriel being filled with darkness (I have to finish LOS1), can we still expect his skills to use light magic?
No.

- Is blood sucking a major factor for Gabriel in LOS2?
Maybe.

- Have you reworked the Super Castlevania level one theme into the game this time. I asked before the first launched.
Maybe.

- Will we see the use of hearts for the use of relics like knives and holy water?
Yes.

-Gabriel will have a whip skill?
Yes.

-Boss battle with Slogra?
No.

-Classic boss fights reinterpreted by Mercury S?
Yes.

-If Alucard is in the game, and Alucard is Dracula's son, and Gabriel is Dracula, does that mean Trevor = Alucard?
No.

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Cox did NOT say that Trevor wasn't Alucard. He did say "no" to Trevor being Alucard based upon the way the question was worded. And he wouldn't be lying...Trevor is not automatically Alucard just because he's Dracula's son, which is what the question asked.

Also to the question before that one which asked if Trevor was the same person as the Alucard-like guy, I'd definitely say that Trevor changing into something else other than human would make him a different person. :-D
Cox sure is good as playing semantics...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2012, 10:16:20 AM
I think Trevor just dies. Simon's character profile says both of this parents were killed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lumas on June 06, 2012, 10:19:00 AM
I think everyone is looking into ths alucard is trevor thing too much/deep. I personally didnt see any resemblance to the two other than a few pieces of armor. Cox just confirmed that trevor is in fact not alucard so that can be put to rest course he has been known to lie. Mof seems to be shapping up nicely however i am concerned with the music but the rest of the game seems like a good middle ground for all the fans, los, metrovania and classicvania. Hopefully this game will deliver what los did not for many fans of the series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lumas on June 06, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
I think Trevor just dies. Simon's character profile says both of this parents were killed.

Yeah i believe this could be more of a possibility than trevor being alucard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Vrakanox on June 06, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
Trevor might become a half vampire very similar to Alucard but might not be the same character.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on June 06, 2012, 11:07:20 AM
I think everyone is looking into ths alucard is trevor thing too much/deep. I personally didnt see any resemblance to the two other than a few pieces of armor. Cox just confirmed that trevor is in fact not alucard so that can be put to rest course he has been known to lie. Mof seems to be shapping up nicely however i am concerned with the music but the rest of the game seems like a good middle ground for all the fans, los, metrovania and classicvania. Hopefully this game will deliver what los did not for many fans of the series.

It depends on what trailer he meant.

If he's talking about the MoF trailer, then Trevor is not Alucard, and Alucard either A. doesn't make an appearance, or B. looks exactly like Trevor

If he's talking about the LoS2 trailer, then Hector confirmed for brawl
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 06, 2012, 11:15:10 AM
Perhaps Hector is Alucard, and Trevor is just an imaginary friend, and Gabriel's been dead all along and this is an alluciation caused by Zobek's electric shocks D:
*Shaymayalananananaj twist*
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2012, 11:15:31 AM
I think Trevor just dies. Simon's character profile says both of this parents were killed.

Better than being Alucard I'd say. I warmed up to Gabriel being Dracula but I don't think I could tolerate Trevor being Alucard.

Im starting to think that Trevor gets brainwashed by some dark priest and Simon comes to the rescue.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 06, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
- LOS 2 gameplay footage anytime soon?
No.
That makes me sad. It looks freaking insteresting.


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- Mirror of Fate will reveal the story of Gabriel's ancestors", shouldn't it say "Gabriel's descendants" instead?
Maybe.
Curiouser and curiouser...


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- Will there be more than one playable character in LOS?
Maybe.
You mean LoS2?


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- Are we getting more classic Castlevania songs remixed for an of the new games?
Yes.
Fuck yeah!

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- Is Gabriel the only playable character in LOS2 or we'll have a chance of something like LoK: Defiance with 2 protagonists?
Maybe
More interested!

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- We will see Simon or Trevor in LOS?
No.
So, if we don't see Simon or Trevor, perhaps the Belmonts that are hunting Dracula are new ones!

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- Are Trevor and that Alucard-like guy from the trailer the same person?
No.
I wonder....

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- Is blood sucking a major factor for Gabriel in LOS2?
Maybe.
Wonder if it will have it's own gimick, like in Splatterhouse.

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- Have you reworked the Super Castlevania level one theme into the game this time. I asked before the first launched.
Maybe.
Don't BS us this time, Cox. Please rework it into the GAME!!!

Quote
- Will we see the use of hearts for the use of relics like knives and holy water?
Yes.
LOL, the infamous CV hearts make a return.

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-Boss battle with Slogra?
No.
This makes me sad.

Quote
-Classic boss fights reinterpreted by Mercury S?
Yes.
Happy again!!!

Quote
-If Alucard is in the game, and Alucard is Dracula's son, and Gabriel is Dracula, does that mean Trevor = Alucard?
No.
Pretty much confirms that Trevor =/= Alucard. Doesn't confirm that Alucard isn't in the game and that he's not Dracula/Gabriel's son, though. Wild theory, what if Dracula kills Trevor, abducts Simon's mother, rapes her and she gives birth to Alucard?

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Cox did NOT say that Trevor wasn't Alucard. He did say "no" to Trevor being Alucard based upon the way the question was worded. And he wouldn't be lying...Trevor is not automatically Alucard just because he's Dracula's son, which is what the question asked.
Pretty much sounded like Cox rode on the final part of the question. It all boiled down to Trevor = Alucard. Will Trevor become something ELSE entirely? Probably. I call it, Trevor becomes Shaft!!! ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on June 06, 2012, 03:30:19 PM
They're using Slogera as another bait and switch for the classic fans. They're up to their same old deceptive tricks. Those bastards.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: CastleDan on June 06, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
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Alucard confirmed but.....the text would make you think that ...Trevor=Alucard...hrmm....same voice to from what I can hear...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on June 06, 2012, 10:55:11 PM
I understand why we won't be fighting Slogra in LoS2 though. I mean, after all he's Dracula's ally, not enemy. Slogra boss fight in MoF however, sounds more likely.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JR on June 07, 2012, 03:31:33 AM
I think Trevor just dies. Simon's character profile says both of this parents were killed.

It's always seemed like an interesting concept to me for a Belmont lose against Dracula, to help Drac maintain his reputation as a powerful force. I guess I don't mind the idea of Trevor dying.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 07, 2012, 04:54:31 AM
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Alucard confirmed but.....the text would make you think that ...Trevor=Alucard...hrmm....same voice to from what I can hear...
Yeah that's what i thought too.
Unless Dracula has two sons, I can't see how Trevor isn't turned into Alucard. Or maybe his persona splits into two.One dies and the other continues into "living" as Alucard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: C Belmont on June 07, 2012, 06:09:32 AM
25 years is a long time and given that MS are trying to make Dracula's story as tragic as they possibly can I wouldn't rule out Gabriel marrying again. The line about a second chance could refer to just about anything, for example what if Alucard was imprisoned by his father and unexpectedly freed by Simon or Trevor? such a line could still fit such a scenario.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jmodlin210 on June 07, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
I am really excited and I am looking forward of Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 to play Dracula as Gabriel, other Belmonts, etc that is coming out for PS3 in 2013. Will there be DLC in Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2? Is Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 going to be the last game in the Castlevania Lords of Shadow Saga and after Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 gets released, will they release Castlevania Lords of Shadow 3 or move on to different things like new universe in Castlevania series?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on June 07, 2012, 06:17:52 PM
Cox just said on Twitter that Trevor is NOT Alucard.

And that Slogra will make a special apperance.

Special appearance = giving a thumbs up and a wink on a poster in one level.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 08, 2012, 11:40:51 PM
It's been confimed that the tomb Gabriel passes by in the trailer is Marie's.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 09, 2012, 12:23:12 AM
Please link to when Cox said that, because he says a lot of things that haven't always been true or contradicts the games themselves*

*trevor turning into alucard.. so it seems
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on June 09, 2012, 01:47:04 AM
Special appearance = giving a thumbs up and a wink on a poster in one level.

No, no, he already did that in the church at the end of LoS.

This time he'll be a sub-weapon that Dracula can use while airborne to drop on unsuspecting good guys.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Redgrave on June 09, 2012, 04:37:48 AM
I'm really excited for Castlevania: Lords of shadow 2.The first game blow my mind and i'm really liking everything so far.
As for alucard being trevor.......It could be and it could not.That alucard in the trailer says "It seems fate have given me a "second" chance.So it could be trevor.

Edit: Unofficial box art: http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/up/2012/6/9 (http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/up/2012/6/9)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 09, 2012, 05:31:35 AM
Please link to when Cox said that, because he says a lot of things that haven't always been true or contradicts the games themselves*

*trevor turning into alucard.. so it seems
Not from Cox: "Marie's Tomb. Source from Konami screenshots file name"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on June 09, 2012, 08:09:21 AM
It's been confimed that the tomb Gabriel passes by in the trailer is Marie's.

I figured as much, now we need to know who the other tomb belongs to. I doubt he will answer since it's probably spoilerish though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Koutei on June 09, 2012, 08:49:01 PM
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/211483127175053312
Yes this will be the conclusion of the story we want to tell.
We then want to go on and tell different stories

NEXT, Reboot Again?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 09, 2012, 09:39:47 PM
Adventure, Dracula's Curse, Legends, Lament of Innocence, Lords of Shadows...  I'm so tired of origin stories I could go without one for a long time.  they might just pick up in the middle of a saga again like in Castlevania 64 and assume you know the drill.  heh, that was one of my predictions that went wrong.  i thought LoS would be in the middle of a new saga like the original Castlevania was with Gabriel substituting for Simon.  Ah, such blissful ignorant times.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on June 09, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
I think he's actually implying that he wants Mercurysteam to go on to make other games besides Castlevania.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on June 09, 2012, 10:10:49 PM
I think he's actually implying that he wants Mercurysteam to go on to make other games besides Castlevania.

That's what I picked up too. Stories that focus on other Belmonts and other characters in the lore
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JR on June 09, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
That's what I picked up too. Stories that focus on other Belmonts and other characters in the lore

He's talking about MS making games that have no connection to Castlevania whatsoever. Cox was asked  a while back if MS is done with the LoS storyline, or with CV entirely, and he replied (lemme find it), "It will be up to others to take up the torch, however they see fit."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on June 10, 2012, 05:08:03 PM
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/211483127175053312
Yes this will be the conclusion of the story we want to tell.
We then want to go on and tell different stories

NEXT, Reboot Again?
Well it is said the story they want to tell with LOS is the story of Dracula. LOS2 wil be the end of the Dracula tale and what it comes next is the story of the war Between Dracula and the Belmont clan like it always have been... I´m just speculating ofc...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 10, 2012, 06:14:42 PM
Hahaha let's get ready for a Dracula-less Castlevania series :I'm calling it!:
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.
.
 :'(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Sumac on June 10, 2012, 06:27:48 PM
Quote
Hahaha let's get ready for a Dracula-less Castlevania series :I'm calling it!:
Not that it would be the first for the series, in a manner of speaking.
However the whole Castlevania (sub)series without Dracula would be strange. And even, if it would be good, some (overly devoted) fans will foam at the mouth because it will be too deattached from ideal Castlevania they've built in their heads.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 10, 2012, 07:40:07 PM
Quote
And even, if it would be good, some (overly devoted) fans will foam at the mouth because it will be too deattached from ideal Castlevania they've built in their heads.

lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on June 10, 2012, 07:58:04 PM
Hahaha let's get ready for a Dracula-less Castlevania series :I'm calling it!:

:'(
It's not Castlevania without Dracula. LoS gets a slap on the wrist for not having Dracula as the main antagonist, but we all know why now. You really can't call it a Castlevania game without Dracula. It could star the Belmonts and have them fight someone else, and I would still consider it a spinoff more than a true Castlevania game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on June 10, 2012, 08:36:38 PM
Quote
It's not Castlevania without Dracula. LoS gets a slap on the wrist for not having Dracula as the main antagonist, but we all know why now. You really can't call it a Castlevania game without Dracula

I think that a Castlevania game can be pulled off without Dracula actually being physically a part of it.
I would agree though that if that were the case, it would need to have something directly related to him in the game. His castle would be the most logical thing to keep it relevant if some other big villain were to take over.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Redgrave on June 10, 2012, 08:46:15 PM
Lamet of innocence doesn't have dracula but it's still a castlevania game.
Okay sure mathias at the end but that's it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 10, 2012, 08:48:35 PM
Lamet of innocence doesn't have dracula but it's still a castlevania game.
Okay sure mathias at the end but that's it.

But he still turned out to be the antagonist.

The main manipulator behind all the events of LOI which made him/Dracula pretty damn relevant.

And If LOS gets a pass for not having Dracula directly involved as the main villian physically than LOI obviously should as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 10, 2012, 08:51:50 PM
And here I thought people wanted stories set between LoI and CV3.

Considering thats what people bring up whenever someone mentions the cluttered original timeline as the "still more stories that can be told".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Redgrave on June 10, 2012, 08:52:49 PM
Well, at least LOS will gonna fulfill one my dreams in gaming.
Playing as Dracula.
(Forget judgment)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on June 10, 2012, 08:54:23 PM
LoI and LoS were both the direct origins of Dracula in their respective universes. That counts for me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: CastleDan on June 10, 2012, 09:09:59 PM
I think he's actually implying that he wants Mercurysteam to go on to make other games besides Castlevania.

The problem I had with both origin stories is vampires existed before Dracula comes to be.
It kinda takes away from the impact of the story. I want to see the origins of the first most powerful vampire not...... some random ass vampire that came down the line and ended up being the lord of vampires.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on June 10, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
And here I thought people wanted stories set between LoI and CV3.

Considering thats what people bring up whenever someone mentions the cluttered original timeline as the "still more stories that can be told".
If it were up to me I would retcon the whole deal about the Belmonts not being allowed to touch the whip until 1999 so we could have gotten more games starring Belmonts. That's honestly the only thing I hated about the original timeline, it made no sense.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Redgrave on June 10, 2012, 09:13:45 PM
The first vampire in the LoS universe is probably a bernhard.Walter bernhard to be precise.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 10, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
And here I thought people wanted stories set between LoI and CV3.

Considering thats what people bring up whenever someone mentions the cluttered original timeline as the "still more stories that can be told".
Actually, I do. I can't speak for other people, though.

The problem I had with both origin stories is vampires existed before Dracula comes to be.
It kinda takes away from the impact of the story. I want to see the origins of the first most powerful vampire not...... some random ass vampire that came down the line and ended up being the lord of vampires.
Well, both canons seemingly take place in our world(a fictional take, but our world nonetheless), and vampire lore has existed in our world for a long time. Maybe you mean an CV origin where Dracula's, like, ancient Greek or something? Do something like Blade III?

I personally don't mind that Dracula is not the FIRST vampire. IMO, his role should be the most powerful, not the first, but the definitive.

I've been tossing this around, but if they were to go full reboot, yet again, I wouldn't mind if they actually went to what a lot of people wanted, Dracula to be the REAL Vlad III. Maybe an origin tale in the 1400s, based MORE on history, yet still retaining the whole "secret history" aspect. Real Vlad III, somehow, becomes a vampire, and a Belmont(who's maybe close to Dracula, like the captain to his army, maybe another take on Trevor) must kill him and rid the countryside of his evil.

If it were up to me I would retcon the whole deal about the Belmonts not being allowed to touch the whip until 1999 so we could have gotten more games starring Belmonts. That's honestly the only thing I hated about the original timeline, it made no sense.
I would've still kept the "curse", but it wouldn't have lasted as long as it does in IGA's canon. Maybe 100 years(being placed in the early 1800s and being dispelled in the early 1900s). I still like the Morris contribution(particularly the inclusion of Quincey and ties to Stoker's novel, as well as Bloodlines and John Morris), not so much PoR's, though I'd probably retcon it and make a game that's more fitting for that time(WWII, Nazis sending a secret military group to tap into the dark power being released by Dracula's Castle, and the united front sending in a special forces soldier named William "Billy" Belmont to stop them).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 10, 2012, 11:33:26 PM
We cant retcon the whip thing entirely- or we'd have to retcon Bloodlines.

And that would be a crime.

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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 10, 2012, 11:44:22 PM
We cant retcon the whip thing entirely- or we'd have to retcon Bloodlines.

And that would be a crime.
I'd never retcon Bloodlines, but after Bloodlines, I'd say that John Morris gave the whip back to the Belmonts, who'd start getting back into the family business, and generation to generation, eventually gave birth to Julius(who I'd keep, because he's still pretty badass). There'd also be no Jonathan Morris, nor PoR in my ideal canon. I WOULD, though, focus more on what the Morris family did after they initially inherited the VK, and I WOULD reinstate Sonia back into the canon, but via a different game. I still like my idea of having her as the blood link to the Morris clan(she marries a man with the Morris surname). Prior to that, I'd have her in a game/story where she's the older sister to the male Belmont heir, some tension between her and her family because they chose her little brother as heir over her, while a dark force appears yet the true heir is too young to wield the VK, so she takes it into her own hands, against her family's wishes, and like a badass, goes out to face it in a maverick-type fashion(which I always thought felt well for the Morris clan, who eventually become Texan cowboy-types before the events of Stoker's Dracula). 

As for when the Belmonts give the whip to the Morris family, I thought of a means where it was possible. Richter, who's now maybe in his thirties(early 1800s), is lured back to Dracula's Castle when his children are taken by a group vampires(Dracula sympathists and loyal servents), and he goes there with a Morris(who's his vampire hunting pupil, so to speak). Eventually something happens where the Belmont blood is fobidden to touch the VK, and the only way the curse can be lifted in through an act of generational purification, which means, like, in 100, through sacred rituals, finally the curse will be lifted(which the vampires are aware of, but believe it would be too late considering Dracula to resurrect sometimes prior to the events of Stoker's novel, and there'd be no Belmont to silence him, as they'd be unaware fo the Morris clan). But, the curse is only on the descendants of Richter and his children, meaning those BEFORE(who are linked by blood) could still wield it, and Richter hands over the VK to his pupil at the end for safe keeping until the Belmont family could once again wield it.

I also had an idea of more Elizabeth Bartley. I'd still keep Mathias as Dracula(as well as the events of LoI), but prior to it, have Elizabeth as a child, the child of Mathias's sister, whom he used to spoil as a child(she was his favorite niece). After Mathias became a vampire, years after living in various areas, he returned to Elizabeth's castle, her now being a beautiful young woman(yet vain and evil), and stays with her for a while and turns her into a vampire.

I ramble on too much. I love fanfic sometimes and the possiblities! ;D
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Post by: Flame on June 11, 2012, 12:17:05 AM
That all... sounds pretty good and plausible actually... a Female Belmont marrying a Morris, therefore causing the loss of the Belmont name there.

I would post more but i'd be derailing the thread so ill just drop this link to another topic here.

http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,5048 (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,5048)
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Post by: Sumac on June 11, 2012, 01:04:47 AM
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If it were up to me I would retcon the whole deal about the Belmonts not being allowed to touch the whip until 1999 so we could have gotten more games starring Belmonts. That's honestly the only thing I hated about the original timeline, it made no sense.
It won't give more place in the timeline since XIX century is already have two battles with Dracula - OOE and Stoker's Dracula. Then there is Bloodlines and POR in XX century. And finally 1999 War. So in the end there is really not so much place to put another Belmont vs Dracula conflict in the last two centruries prior to events of 1999.

I wonder if that post will be "minused" by "overly devoted fans" as the others that were pretty much innocuous? But when you deal with "overly devoted fans" expected the unexpected, I guess.  :rollseyes:
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Post by: Dominus on June 11, 2012, 08:18:57 AM
The first vampire in the LoS universe is probably a bernhard.Walter bernhard to be precise.

The Bernhard family struck me as demon cultist or something of that kind. I think the three lords where the first ones of their kind (werewolf, vampire and necromancer/lich)
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Post by: CastleDan on June 11, 2012, 10:15:32 AM
Actually, I do. I can't speak for other people, though.
Well, both canons seemingly take place in our world(a fictional take, but our world nonetheless), and vampire lore has existed in our world for a long time. Maybe you mean an CV origin where Dracula's, like, ancient Greek or something? Do something like Blade III?

I personally don't mind that Dracula is not the FIRST vampire. IMO, his role should be the most powerful, not the first, but the definitive.

I've been tossing this around, but if they were to go full reboot, yet again, I wouldn't mind if they actually went to what a lot of people wanted, Dracula to be the REAL Vlad III. Maybe an origin tale in the 1400s, based MORE on history, yet still retaining the whole "secret history" aspect. Real Vlad III, somehow, becomes a vampire, and a Belmont(who's maybe close to Dracula, like the captain to his army, maybe another take on Trevor) must kill him and rid the countryside of his evil.
 I would've still kept the "curse", but it wouldn't have lasted as long as it does in IGA's canon. Maybe 100 years(being placed in the early 1800s and being dispelled in the early 1900s). I still like the Morris contribution(particularly the inclusion of Quincey and ties to Stoker's novel, as well as Bloodlines and John Morris), not so much PoR's, though I'd probably retcon it and make a game that's more fitting for that time(WWII, Nazis sending a secret military group to tap into the dark power being released by Dracula's Castle, and the united front sending in a special forces soldier named William "Billy" Belmont to stop them).

Yeah but I'm sure you get what I mean. When I think of Lord of the vampires I think...the oldest one, i think the most powerful one. It'd be nice if the dracula in castlevania was the first of it's kind. See...it's kinda missed opportunity. In lords of shadow you had the end boss of the devil, you could have just had the devils minions as enemies and it could have been a great way to introduce the first vampire ( dracula ).....I mean might as well since it already didn't feel very castlevania like. Then this next game could have been years later where he is the lord of vampires and vampires are around now because of him.

It just makes sense to see the origins of the first rather than him just taking some other vampires spot. It's more grand feeling, more special....
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 11, 2012, 10:29:30 AM
Dracula as the first vampire adds no that much to the story, I'm fine with it not being that way. If anything, the "underdog" story makes him kind of sympathetic (Ok, makes Gabriel sympathetic, Mathias was a prick).

And yeah guys what is so bad about a Dracula-less Castlevania? Starring the belmont clan in far away lands, fighting other kind of mythilogies keeping of course the series staples (Castle whips bla bla bla). As many have said we wanted stories between LoS and III, and if I'm not wrong people wanted a game after DoS when the main villain was Galamoth or Olrox. Keeping relations and references to the "Dracula Arc" of Castlevania, I don't see a Dracula less new Castlevania series in a bad way.
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It will be nice for Dracula to have an story arc, maybe at the end, he'll be redeemed and being that so, we need to continue the series, but it also needs a little shake up here and there,  it can't go on and on and on the same way, otherwise we'll stop feeling amusement.
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Post by: Dominus on June 11, 2012, 11:03:59 AM
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It will be nice for Dracula to have an story arc, maybe at the end, he'll be redeemed and being that so, we need to continue the series, but it also needs a little shake up here and there,  it can't go on and on and on the same way, otherwise we'll stop feeling amusement.

That was AoS...until Dos came and screwed everything
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Post by: Flame on June 11, 2012, 06:50:35 PM
Well the Sequel novel to DoS has Olrox as the main villain.

The radio drama SoTN sequel has an Incubus as the main bad guy.

And while Mathias was the main puppet master behind LoI, Walter was still the main bad guy. (And its kind of sad, but I find him far more interesting than Dracula)

Dracula-less Castlevania technically is nothing new, but its never been done full out "No Dracula at all" outside of the side material. Not in a full game.
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 11, 2012, 06:55:34 PM


And yeah guys what is so bad about a Dracula-less Castlevania? Starring the belmont clan in far away lands, fighting other kind of mythilogies keeping of course the series staples (Castle whips bla bla bla)[/spoiler]



Belmonts need to kill something when Dracula is not around. You know keep their skills sharp.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 11, 2012, 07:34:12 PM
Yeah but I'm sure you get what I mean. When I think of Lord of the vampires I think...the oldest one, i think the most powerful one. It'd be nice if the dracula in castlevania was the first of it's kind. See...it's kinda missed opportunity. In lords of shadow you had the end boss of the devil, you could have just had the devils minions as enemies and it could have been a great way to introduce the first vampire ( dracula ).....I mean might as well since it already didn't feel very castlevania like. Then this next game could have been years later where he is the lord of vampires and vampires are around now because of him.

It just makes sense to see the origins of the first rather than him just taking some other vampires spot. It's more grand feeling, more special....

Who knows, maybe the "next" reboot we'll get Dracula, the First vampire.

I still don't mind that Dracula isn't the first. I can't see a CV taking place prior to 1000 AD. And it strangely seems that both IGA and MS CHOSE to feature their own "origins" around the time of the Crusades(coincidence or maybe they both just think that time period is "cool"). MS could've very well set LoS some other time(centuries before or centuries later). I just find it funny, in general. 

Dracula as the first vampire adds no that much to the story, I'm fine with it not being that way. If anything, the "underdog" story makes him kind of sympathetic (Ok, makes Gabriel sympathetic, Mathias was a prick).

And yeah guys what is so bad about a Dracula-less Castlevania? Starring the belmont clan in far away lands, fighting other kind of mythilogies keeping of course the series staples (Castle whips bla bla bla). As many have said we wanted stories between LoS and III, and if I'm not wrong people wanted a game after DoS when the main villain was Galamoth or Olrox. Keeping relations and references to the "Dracula Arc" of Castlevania, I don't see a Dracula less new Castlevania series in a bad way.
(click to show/hide)

It will be nice for Dracula to have an story arc, maybe at the end, he'll be redeemed and being that so, we need to continue the series, but it also needs a little shake up here and there,  it can't go on and on and on the same way, otherwise we'll stop feeling amusement.

I definitely wouldn't mind a non-Dracula CV. Hell, simple idea, Belmont heads to the castle of Elizabeth Bartley to fight her and her minions. No Dracula, but vampires, dark spooky castles, monsters, VK wielding Belmont hero! That's all I'd need. Hell, there are so many vampire characters(both fictional and based on "real" vampires) that could be used. Three we know and have appeared, Carmilla, Elizabeth Bartley and Olrox can each have a game dedicated about their own evil castles located throughout Europe. Hell, you can also bring back Gile De Rais, and add in Lord Ruthven, Countess Dolingen, Antoine Leger, Clara Geisslerin, Francois Bertrand and Arnold Paole. And yes, you can also add in non-vampires as main villains(sorcerers, demons and such). I think I listed earlier about my idea for a CV-like game, but dealing with Lovecraftian themes. Belmonts battling against some Elder God cult members in some abandoned castle in Wales. Or hell, they could work in something with Aleister Crowley. Really, the possibilities are endless. And yeah, like you, I'm pretty open to this, as long as the basic themes are carried over. Belmonts, while their main villain will always be Dracula, are pretty much warriors of good, so anything that threatens the stability of life on the world, they'd be right there to take on.
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Post by: Leirbag on June 18, 2012, 03:26:35 AM
Hi everybody! (first post)

I have a theory about Alucard's true identity :

Yellow eyes , long hair , pale skin ... SATAN...  :P

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Post by: Johnny Alucard on June 18, 2012, 12:44:32 PM
Hi everybody! (first post)

I have a theory about Alucard's true identity :

Yellow eyes , long hair , pale skin ... SATAN...  :P

An interesting theory but highly unlikely. Alucard's main thing is being the half-son of Dracula.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 18, 2012, 12:46:54 PM
An interesting theory but highly unlikely. Alucard's main thing is being the half-son of Dracula.

yea I agree.

Also the the part where he says "It would seem fate has given me a second chance....father" seems to hint at him talking about Gabriel and getting a second chance to fight him.

Also, why would Satan name himself "Alucard"???

Just wouldn't make any sense.
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Post by: Leirbag on June 18, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
Yeah i get ur point but remember it's a reboot (no connection to other stories) and LOS's vampires seem to all have red eyes and not yellow.

EDIT: If your quote is from mirror's trailer , ok but it could be cut in a misleading way on purpose...(gonna check)

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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 18, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Yeah i get ur point but remember it's a reboot (no connection to other stories) and LOS vampires seem to all have red eyes and not yellow.

I remember that.

But you should also remember that we know nothing about Alucard so far or what he is in this reboot.

There could be a perfect explanation as to why he has yellow eyes instead of red.

For 1, if he truly is a dhampir in this one like he is in the old series than Dhampirs in the LOS verse may have yellow eyes since they are not FULL vampires.

Secondly, Alucard could be something completely different than a vampire.

No one knows at this point.

But I HIGHLY doubt that Satan for any reason would name himself Alucard.
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Post by: Leirbag on June 18, 2012, 01:13:53 PM
But I HIGHLY doubt that Satan for any reason would name himself Alucard.
This is where i agree, plus i would hate that Alucard = satan

Just a fear actualy...
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on June 18, 2012, 01:18:28 PM
This is where i agree, plus i would hate that Alucard = satan

Just a fear actualy...

I doubt it would happen, so relax. ;p
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Post by: Leirbag on June 18, 2012, 01:21:28 PM
Theories apart , i remember from LOS narration that the castle seem to modify itself over time, i don't have the exact quote but that could be a goldmine over time.
Imagine they(M.s) made an engine for los 2 that allow to easily modify the castle for new playthrough with Alucard or dlc characters... :rollseyes: :D :rollseyes:
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Post by: Dremn on June 18, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
I still think Alucard is Trevor.

Cox just wants to make sure we're surprised.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 18, 2012, 01:32:26 PM


Cox just wants to make sure we're surprised.

To late for that really, since a lot of people are still pretty darn sure he is Trevor.

The only way he could surprise everyone now is if he is NOT Trevor.
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Post by: Leirbag on June 18, 2012, 01:35:54 PM
In LOS  satan calls God "Father" like alucard in the MOF trailer... omg, bad taste again in my mouth :-X

EDIT: Trevor's artwork really looks like alucard's los2 trailer apearance through...
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Post by: Flame on June 18, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
He looks nothing like Satan, Sounds nothing like Satan, and why would Satan disguise himself? Satan was cast out for being vain and arrogant and such, he would appear as himself, not someone else.
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Post by: Leirbag on June 18, 2012, 08:29:42 PM
He looks nothing like Satan, Sounds nothing like Satan, and why would Satan disguise himself? Satan was cast out for being vain and arrogant and such, he would appear as himself, not someone else.

Hope : +1 !
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Post by: Kingshango on June 18, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
To late for that really, since a lot of people are still pretty darn sure he is Trevor.

The only way he could surprise everyone now is if he is NOT Trevor.

Remember when the second trailer for LOS1 came out and we all thought Jason Issacs was the voice of Dracula, and in the E3 2010 trailer we were all convinced that he was in fact Dracula, especially when he said "Die Belmont!" and it turned out he wasn't Dracula at all?

Now im not saying Cox is pulling another swerve but...
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 18, 2012, 08:43:21 PM
Remember when the second trailer for LOS1 came out and we all thought Jason Issacs was the voice of Dracula, and in the E3 2010 trailer we were all convinced that he was in fact Dracula, especially when he said "Die Belmont!" and it turned out he wasn't Dracula at all?

Now im not saying Cox is pulling another swerve but...

Yea but the difference between that and this situation is that we actually never got to see a face behind that voice.

With Alucard and Trevor we got to see a face AND voice for each character and the 2 are kind similar if you ask me.

Just give Trevor the pale skin,white hair, and change in clothes and he looks just like Alucard if you ask me.

Of course, I honestly would MUCH prefer that it not be the case that Trevor becomes Alucard, but given the appearance and the lines about "getting a second chance to face his father" it all points to Trevor.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 18, 2012, 09:37:16 PM
Yea but the difference between that and this situation is that we actually never got to see a face behind that voice.

With Alucard and Trevor we got to see a face AND voice for each character and the 2 are kind similar if you ask me.

Just give Trevor the pale skin,white hair, and change in clothes and he looks just like Alucard if you ask me.

Of course, I honestly would MUCH prefer that it not be the case that Trevor becomes Alucard, but given the appearance and the lines about "getting a second chance to face his father" it all points to Trevor.

I had a nice sentence all planned out but my log in time expired before I could finish but I'll try to sum it up as best I can.

To be fair, Trevor and Alucard both have the same father, so it would make sense that they look alike.

I want them both to be separate characters ( I still believe they are in the very depths of my head) but if they are the same person, then something messed happened to Trevor to become a vampire. (warning, sensible theory coming up) Dracula probably defeated Trevor and brainwashed him, then Simon finds him years later as a brainwashed vampire and knocks some sense into him and thinks he can still be saved. Then he learns that while the brainwashing can be removed, he's been a vampire for too long and purifying him completely would kill him, so enter the deus ex machina and Trevor is resurrected as a dhampyr.

I could be way the hell off though.
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Post by: Inccubus on June 18, 2012, 10:17:13 PM
I had a nice sentence all planned out but my log in time expired before I could finish but I'll try to sum it up as best I can.

To be fair, Trevor and Alucard both have the same father, so it would make sense that they look alike.

I want them both to be separate characters ( I still believe they are in the very depths of my head) but if they are the same person, then something messed happened to Trevor to become a vampire. (warning, sensible theory coming up) Dracula probably defeated Trevor and brainwashed him, then Simon finds him years later as a brainwashed vampire and knocks some sense into him and thinks he can still be saved. Then he learns that while the brainwashing can be removed, he's been a vampire for too long and purifying him completely would kill him, so enter the deus ex machina and Trevor is resurrected as a dhampyr.

I could be way the hell off though.

Forgive me, but isn't that more or less the plot of Star Wars? And one thing we can conjecture from the evidence presented in the trailer for LoS2 is that Alucard is definitely not a pure vampire if at all. Someone pointed out in the MoF thread that in the LoS2 teaser Gabriel has no reflection and Alucard does.
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Post by: Leirbag on June 18, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
Forgive me, but isn't that more or less the plot of Star Wars? And one thing we can conjecture from the evidence presented in the trailer for LoS2 is that Alucard is definitely not a pure vampire if at all. Someone pointed out in the MoF thread that in the LoS2 teaser Gabriel has no reflection and Alucard does.
Could sound silly, but what if Alucard was in fact THE refflection of Dracula born through the mirror of fate ? You know, his nemesis ?
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Post by: Kingshango on June 18, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
And one thing we can conjecture from the evidence presented in the trailer for LoS2 is that Alucard is definitely not a pure vampire if at all. Someone pointed out in the MoF thread that in the LoS2 teaser Gabriel has no reflection and Alucard does.

That's the thing that everyone is forgetting, Alucard has a reflection so Trevor couldn't have become a vampire or else he wouldn't be able to have a reflection like Gabriel. (I know it's a reboot guys but the common lore of the vampires still apply in this universe, dhampyr's can go either way though.) So either Alucard is a separate character or Trevor became an entirely different creature altogether.

However the extended trailer for MoF puts more fuel to the Trevor=Alucard theory but im convinced that it's another swerve to throw people off.
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Post by: Inccubus on June 18, 2012, 11:43:29 PM
Could sound silly, but what if Alucard was in fact THE refflection of Dracula born through the mirror of fate ? You know, his nemesis ?

I actually kinda like that idea. It "smells" like the sort of thing I'd expect from an Classic -> LoS twist.


However the extended trailer for MoF puts more fuel to the Trevor=Alucard theory but im convinced that it's another swerve to throw people off.

I sincerely hope this is the case.
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Post by: Johnny Alucard on June 19, 2012, 12:29:41 AM
Could sound silly, but what if Alucard was in fact THE refflection of Dracula born through the mirror of fate ? You know, his nemesis ?

That actually sounds quite interesting.  It would definitely make a very interesting twist.
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Post by: Flame on June 19, 2012, 12:41:12 AM
haha, yeah, it would be really clever.

I guess at this point anything's possible.

2 quirks however that Alucard has, is 1- yellow irises, as Human form Vampires all seem to have red, and 2- a reflection, which Gabriel at least, demonstrates Vampires do not have.

Im wondering how this will be explained.

It is VERY possible they may actually go the traditional route and make him a second son, which would account for both by "he's half vampire, deal with it" logic, and that the Trevor = Alucard thing doesnt happen at all.

I do like the idea however, of Trevor being brainwashed and made to fight Simon, where he gets sense knocked into him and joins the fight. Reminds me of Cv3's Alucard fight.

there is the matter of Alucard initially appearing with the Battle  Cross though, and Simon mentioning it in voiceover however, so who knows?

Either way im sure it will be interesting.
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Post by: Johnny Alucard on June 19, 2012, 01:33:57 AM

2 quirks however that Alucard has, is 1- yellow irises, as Human form Vampires all seem to have red, and 2- a reflection, which Gabriel at least, demonstrates Vampires do not have.

Im wondering how this will be explained.

It is VERY possible they may actually go the traditional route and make him a second son, which would account for both by "he's half vampire, deal with it" logic, and that the Trevor = Alucard thing doesnt happen at all.


Carmilla also didn't have a reflection.

A second son is also likely, but it'll be with a human woman after Gabriel turned to explain Alucard being a dhampir.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 19, 2012, 02:01:54 AM
I don't think Alucard is a second child from another woman. Gabriel loves Marie, even after her death, kinda like the original Dracula loves Lisa.
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Post by: uzo on June 19, 2012, 02:49:42 AM
Perhaps Alucard had been given either angelic or demonic abilities? As someone else noted, Alucard and Satan have the same eye color. This could indicate either angelic or demonic powers. He says he was granted another chance to stop Gabriel in the extended trailer. Perhaps he went to hell and Satan gave him the powers to comeback and cause trouble for Gabriel. Satan perhaps is recovering from his last pwn by God and can't do it himself, so he allows Alucard the power to carry out his revenge. Either that or just to torment Gabriel and Trevor for his amusement. I can see Satan himself wanting to be the one who ends Gabriel for good out of spite.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 19, 2012, 03:23:29 AM
Perhaps Alucard had been given either angelic or demonic abilities? As someone else noted, Alucard and Satan have the same eye color. This could indicate either angelic or demonic powers. He says he was granted another chance to stop Gabriel in the extended trailer. Perhaps he went to hell and Satan gave him the powers to comeback and cause trouble for Gabriel. Satan perhaps is recovering from his last pwn by God and can't do it himself, so he allows Alucard the power to carry out his revenge. Either that or just to torment Gabriel and Trevor for his amusement. I can see Satan himself wanting to be the one who ends Gabriel for good out of spite.
If Gabriel kills Trevor, maybe Satan will take this opportunity to take his revenge.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on June 19, 2012, 06:40:57 AM
If Gabriel kills Trevor, maybe Satan will take this opportunity to take his revenge.
Or if Satan take this war like a chance to take revenge from Gabriel and kill Trevor maybe Gabriel has to resurrect him and the only way is to do it as a Vampire...
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Post by: A-Yty on June 19, 2012, 07:41:05 AM
I don't think Alucard is a second child from another woman. Gabriel loves Marie, even after her death, kinda like the original Dracula loves Lisa.

He loves Lisa, but you can tell he uses the likes of Succubus and Carmilla for things other than stopping Belmonts. Even an undead dark lord has his needs.. (https://whyweprotest.net/asset-proxy/e4d1ba4571ecc9b9bff764f8ad85f4b13cffa7e9/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f346d3355442e676966/http://i.imgur.com/4m3UD.gif)
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Post by: Sumac on June 19, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
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I do like the idea however, of Trevor being brainwashed and made to fight Simon, where he gets sense knocked into him and joins the fight. Reminds me of Cv3's Alucard fight.
Also, it could make a nice nod to the Belmont's Revenge (Christopher vs Soleil fight).
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Post by: Sindra on June 19, 2012, 04:31:12 PM
Ok, this may have been mentioned before and I just don't feel like wading through tons of crap to make sure....

Everyone thinks that the first sarcophagus belongs to Marie, and that perhaps the second one belonged to another woman who may have been Alucard's mother if Alucard is a second son to Gabriel.

Anyone given thought to the idea that it might be for Claudia? Gabriel was pretty greif-stricken by her death and even moreso after he found out he'd killed her just in the same method he'd been controlled to kill Marie. He showed a good deal of remorse, even after seeing her spirit ascend to heaven at the end of LoS. I could see him making a tomb for her in his castle as penance and in her memory.

Or perhaps, it's for Laura. She gave her life to make him strong enough to save the world from the Forgotten One, and was pretty attached to Gabe, and he seemed found of her as well due to her lingering innocence.

My bet is that if that second coffin is for anyone, it's either of those two instead of some new second wife or something. Those were women Gabriel cared about during his last days as a human. I could see that meaning a lot to him, even as a vampire.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 19, 2012, 05:04:10 PM
^^
That's what I've been thinking all along. Cox confirmed that the sarcophagus belongs to Marie, however he didn't say which sarcophagus was her's or who the second sarcophagus belonged to. Which leaves me to believe that it's his second wife and mother to Alucard is in one of them. Although I can see Claudia being the other one as well.

Now as for Laura, im pretty sure she turned to dust and was blown away after Gabriel drained her, so I'd imagine i'd be pretty hard to find her remains.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on June 19, 2012, 05:30:05 PM

Or perhaps, it's for Laura. She gave her life to make him strong enough to save the world from the Forgotten One, and was pretty attached to Gabe, and he seemed found of her as well due to her lingering innocence.
This. If i remember correctly he buried Laura when she died...
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Post by: crisis on June 19, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
um no he didn't, she disintegrated like Kingoshang said

Castlevania: Lords of Shadows DLC Reverie Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIQ-n_RIbM#ws)
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Post by: Flame on June 19, 2012, 06:03:24 PM
I'm pretty sure Marie was buried too. Not gonna leave your decapitated wife laying at hear place of death right?

It's possible he made the tomb and placed her remains in it- So I wouldnt put it past him to do the same for Claudia, whom suffered more or less Marie's exact same fate.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on June 19, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
um no he didn't, she disintegrated like Kingoshang said

Castlevania: Lords of Shadows DLC Reverie Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIQ-n_RIbM#ws)
True... But as far as i know this is Laura´s grave from Reverie art:
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Post by: e105beta on June 19, 2012, 11:12:36 PM
I'm still standing by the fact that it's Dracula's sarkoffoguss(sp?)

I'm probably wrong, but I like the idea of a coffin reference.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 20, 2012, 12:33:13 AM
Marie's in the Castle Keep. Her grave is seen in the trailer.

Claudia is burried in Agartha, after the Black Knight fight.

And what about Trevor?
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Post by: Sumac on June 20, 2012, 08:58:47 AM
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And what about Trevor?
It would be very interesting take on the Dracula's personality, if he buried his own son that tried to kill him.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 21, 2012, 02:53:23 AM
It would be very interesting take on the Dracula's personality, if he buried his own son that tried to kill him.
And if it is true that Trevor=Alucard, then it'd be the twist for Dracula, as he may thinks his son is still buried in the castle.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 21, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
Lords of Shadows 2 E3 2012 Trailer New Music Cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GCjfxFaR2Q#)

This is the trailer of LoS 2, reuploaded from me. I have replaced the music with another that is having a more darker and Castlevania feeling. So, i'm asking you if LoS series had that kind of music style would have been more acceptable? Do you find it suitable for the game?
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Post by: Sumac on June 21, 2012, 10:19:33 AM
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And if it is true that Trevor=Alucard, then it'd be the twist for Dracula, as he may thinks his son is still buried in the castle.
If LOS2 trailer is any indication, than Gabriel aware that Alucard (Trevor?) is alive and well. I doubt that he would react to surprising appearance of his son, he presumed dead, with just an evil smirk. Though in his case...anything could be possible, he is not perfectly sane after all.

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Post by: Dominus on June 21, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
If LOS2 trailer is any indication, than Gabriel aware that Alucard (Trevor?) is alive and well. I doubt that he would react to surprising appearance of his son, he presumed dead, with just an evil smirk. Though in his case...anything could be possible, he is not perfectly sane after all.

I think that he leaving behind all his goodness was a plot point in Reverie/Ressurection. His reaction would make sense
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Post by: e105beta on June 21, 2012, 08:06:44 PM
Lords of Shadows 2 E3 2012 Trailer New Music Cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GCjfxFaR2Q#)

This is the trailer of LoS 2, reuploaded from me. I have replaced the music with another that is having a more darker and Castlevania feeling. So, i'm asking you if LoS series had that kind of music style would have been more acceptable? Do you find it suitable for the game?

I personally don't think it fits. It's missing all of the tragic emotion.
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Post by: Leirbag on June 22, 2012, 01:05:52 AM
This is the trailer of LoS 2, reuploaded from me. I have replaced the music with another that is having a more darker and Castlevania feeling. So, i'm asking you if LoS series had that kind of music style would have been more acceptable? Do you find it suitable for the game?
Sorry, but i feel this kind of music would fit better to a metroidvania , not so much to a SteamVania ? We shoud find a name...
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 22, 2012, 01:21:50 AM
MercuryVania? ^^

Anyway, yeah, the tragic feeling is something very important in the LoS saga. It's present in the original timeline and former games but not at that point (maybe safe for LoI).
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Post by: Leirbag on June 22, 2012, 01:29:13 AM
MercuryVania? ^^

Anyway, yeah, the tragic feeling is something very important in the LoS saga. It's present in the original timeline and former games but not at that point (maybe safe for LoI).
I would love to see a HD psn/xbl release of these ones.(Ps2 ones)
I never had a chance to play them, i know they lack of platforming but the atmosphere... 8)
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 22, 2012, 08:50:17 AM
Like I said earlier, after I first initially watched the trailer, I watched it a gain with Ozzy Osbourne's "Bark at the Moon" playing(started it on the Konami logo) and, IMO, it made the trailer feel uber epic(and some of it oddly synched up). It was awesome! ;)
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Post by: crisis on June 22, 2012, 10:45:36 AM
So Satan the final boss again in Los2? o.o;
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Post by: Johnny Alucard on June 22, 2012, 10:49:26 AM
So Satan the final boss again in Los2? o.o;

Much too early to tell. Depending on how long it takes for him to get back his power, he might not be there at all. Judging by the epilogue from LoS1, it takes him quite some time to recuperate.
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Post by: flyingchai on June 22, 2012, 10:54:11 AM
I'm calling it: Final boss is Zobek in his final form as Death.
I still don't believe he's out for anyone else other than himself.
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Post by: Flame on June 22, 2012, 11:21:58 AM
I agree actually...

He might only be pretending to want Gabe's help because Satan is out for BOTH their necks, and he himself is not powerful enough to take him on, while Gabe, was most definitely stronger than Satan in LoS, and if he were to regain his former glory, the kind we see in the LoS2 trailer, he would be even more powerful.

After he defeats Satan, Zobek will most likely go to his "OH THE CHARADE IS OVER, OLD FRIEND" routine and reveal his true form and fight Gabe. like, "You have done well... Gabriel... as Promised, I WILL RELEASE YOU FROM YOUR SUFFERING" and try to just outright KILL him.

I feel confident we wont fight Zobek in MoF either- he might not even be present, in this continuity, Zobek- Death- is the mastermind, the big bad of the series. We have yet to fight him, and we will very likely fight him in loS2, as the true final boss. And y'know, im alright with that. It's pretty epic. Im not too sure Cox and MS would really rehash the Satan fight again. I mean, it just wouldnt fit.
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Post by: flyingchai on June 22, 2012, 11:23:34 AM
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I feel confident we wont fight Zobek in MoF either- he might not even be present

The "lost soul" at the very end of the video with Enric Alvarez....I'm thinking is Zobek with a different mask on. That mask is part of the logo for MoF.
Back to LoS2...I doubt we'll have to fight Satan again. Although...it wouldn't surprise me if we had to descend into Hell. I don't know how they'd do an epic story about Dracula without bringing Hell into the picture.
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Post by: Flame on June 22, 2012, 11:35:30 AM
Hey- what if Zobek is responsible for Trevor becoming Alucard? (if thats how it happens- which seems likely)

I mean, Zobek is Lord of the Dead, after all... He is Death. What if he resurrects Trevor as an undead to "give him another chance"? Since his undead origin is not the traditional method, and technically not derived from a Vampirism, he would be different? (The Yellow eyes, possibly the white hair)
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 22, 2012, 11:58:49 AM
Good theory, I agree here. I'm sure Zobek will be the narrator for the two games too.
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Post by: crisis on June 22, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
Morgan Freeman needs to narrate

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsierraclub.typepad.com%2Fphotos%2Funcategorized%2F2008%2F08%2F22%2Fmorgan_freeman002_4.jpg&hash=72db078f90d360d843e75d2fba812fa7)
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 22, 2012, 01:01:01 PM
Morgan Freeman needs to narrate

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsierraclub.typepad.com%2Fphotos%2Funcategorized%2F2008%2F08%2F22%2Fmorgan_freeman002_4.jpg&hash=72db078f90d360d843e75d2fba812fa7)

Truly the king of narrating if you ask me. :)
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Post by: uzo on June 22, 2012, 02:38:42 PM
One thing I want to correct you on Flame. Gabriel was not more powerful than Satan on his own. In fact, he was out of his league.

Gabe got a hefty powerup, including infinite magical power, in that fight. Gabe didn't even finish Satan off. Its very arguable that Gabriel was doing much damage at all. In the end he held him in place so God could WTFPWN him back to hell.

If anything, I think this showcases how much more powerful Gabe needs to get, and will get, in order to face the Lord of the Flies on equal ground in the future.

That is a prospect that actually excites me. Think of the insane moves and powers we may be able to employ if the game allows us to actually play out such a battle.

I may not be the biggest Lords of Shadow proponent, but I still recognize it as a decent game in it's own right. Just because I think it doesn't live up to the Castlevania standards and expectations, doesn't mean it's a shit game outright. I think some of the execution was brilliant in it's own way, if you think of it as a new IP. In that light I am legitimately interested to see what they are going to do with it. The prospect of fighting Lucifer on equal terms? Badass. The prospect of Zobek pulling the Coup de grâce? That right there is pretty epic.
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Post by: Leirbag on June 22, 2012, 04:35:00 PM
I mean, Zobek is Lord of the Dead, after all... He is Death. What if he resurrects Trevor as an undead to "give him another chance"? Since his undead origin is not the traditional method, and technically not derived from a Vampirism, he would be different? (The Yellow eyes, possibly the white hair)
Strong possibility , indeed... and he could come back temporary possessed by satan (yellow eyes)



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Post by: Thunderbrand on August 04, 2012, 07:41:27 AM
My local Gamestop is reporting that the date for LoS2 is New Years Eve this year. That can't be right can it? My first thought was maybe that's the day they start accepting pre-orders for it. Anyone have any other info on this?
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Post by: Chernabogue on August 04, 2012, 07:48:56 AM
My local Gamestop is reporting that the date for LoS2 is New Years Eve this year. That can't be right can it? My first thought was maybe that's the day they start accepting pre-orders for it. Anyone have any other info on this?
Maybe for pre-orders. Cox said the game would be released in 2013, but I don't think it'd be released on NYE.
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Post by: uzo on August 04, 2012, 09:16:34 AM
My local Gamestop is reporting that the date for LoS2 is New Years Eve this year. That can't be right can it? My first thought was maybe that's the day they start accepting pre-orders for it. Anyone have any other info on this?

Mine said mid February just yesterday. They do not really know. They just guess at it until an official date comes out.
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Post by: crisis on August 04, 2012, 10:46:13 AM
everyone knows that gamestop is full of shit
it's common knowledge
they've been in trouble before for their shady business practices
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Post by: Kamirine on August 04, 2012, 11:12:19 PM
Ignore the Gamestop date until other, more reliable sources back it up: they tend to use a lot of placeholder dates but have a bad knack for giving that date out (depending on what employee you speak to) as the actual date. Then trying to get you to reserve it. XD

As for LoS 2, I honestly am hoping I get to beat the ever living crap out of Zobek ever since the end of the first game. He's so annoying smug. He's the perfect 'love to hate him' type.
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Post by: Dremn on August 05, 2012, 10:59:27 AM
Gamestop date is just a temporary one, they always do that for all games without any concrete release info.

I wouldn't expect LoS2 until later next year, probably in the fall or winter.
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Post by: Foffy on August 05, 2012, 11:22:34 AM
If it was coming out by the end of this year or the start of next year, you bet your ass they would show off footage. I think we all knew from the early words back in 2010 that the game was a 2013 title, but probably the back end of that year.
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Post by: SaibotMK on August 09, 2012, 06:51:45 PM
I never did play more then the demo of LoS, not that it wasn't probably a good game, it just didn't spark my interest enough to actually buy it. I know about the story for the most part from spoilers and honestly the only thing that has sparked any interest for LoS 2 is the fact your playing as Dracula. Like you are playing as Dracula, that is what the game is about, LoS led up to this.

What I think is... Lame, but at the same time I understand it for what type of game it is, and that is Dracula is using a whip...

It might be a dark magical whip he unleashes out of his hands but that is straight up Belmont style whip action with the added teleport. Ok that's fine, whatever, like I said Dracula is the only thing carrying it for me, otherwise I would utterly care less about the game. My personal opinion
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Post by: Kingshango on August 09, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
I never did play more then the demo of LoS, not that it wasn't probably a good game, it just didn't spark my interest enough to actually buy it. I know about the story for the most part from spoilers and honestly the only thing that has sparked any interest for LoS 2 is the fact your playing as Dracula. Like you are playing as Dracula, that is what the game is about, LoS led up to this.

What I think is... Lame, but at the same time I understand it for what type of game it is, and that is Dracula is using a whip...

It might be a dark magical whip he unleashes out of his hands but that is straight up Belmont style whip action with the added teleport. Ok that's fine, whatever, like I said Dracula is the only thing carrying it for me, otherwise I would utterly care less about the game. My personal opinion

It's heavily implied that he carries other weapons besides a dark whip.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 10, 2012, 05:23:21 PM
Well it seems that LoS2 will be playable at gamescon


http://www.el33tonline.com/past/2012/8/9/gamescom_2012_excitement_expectations_and_hopes_for_konami/ (http://www.el33tonline.com/past/2012/8/9/gamescom_2012_excitement_expectations_and_hopes_for_konami/)

If this is true then I'll update the facts page for LoS2  when it happens :)
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Post by: crisis on August 10, 2012, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: SaibotMK
What I think is... Lame, but at the same time I understand it for what type of game it is, and that is Dracula is using a whip...
He will use more weapos than just a blood whip, jest look @ the poster

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m4xw2kQwS91qzwtdlo1_500.jpg&hash=5e71e2f00f851e8c53c0f39fb35f1319)

as yew can see, he has a swoard in his hand. the wolf may represent 1 of his many transformation, cuz if yuo remember, he absorbed the Lord of the Lycan's power, as well as Lord of the Vampiers. He doesn't require Lord of the Necromancer's power, cuz he already killed CthulhuForgotton One and took all his power, which he was the "sovereign of the plane of darkness" according to his in-game bio. I wonder if their will be "devil forgery" or "weapon forgery" similar to Curse of Darkness?  ???
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Post by: Chernabogue on August 10, 2012, 11:24:19 PM
Mmmh, I think MoF will be playable, but it's maybe too early for LoS2.
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Post by: Kamirine on August 11, 2012, 03:59:39 PM
Well it seems that LoS2 will be playable at gamescon


http://www.el33tonline.com/past/2012/8/9/gamescom_2012_excitement_expectations_and_hopes_for_konami/ (http://www.el33tonline.com/past/2012/8/9/gamescom_2012_excitement_expectations_and_hopes_for_konami/)

If this is true then I'll update the facts page for LoS2  when it happens :)

If this is true, then I'm excited to see something for LoS2. At first I thought they had mistaken it for MoF but seeing as they mentioned it (and being playable) prior to anything for LoS2, I've got a little more faith. We'll see though.  :)
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Post by: Nagumo on August 12, 2012, 12:36:32 AM
That's interesting to hear. When LoS1 was playable at E3, it was released only a few months later. Does that mean we'll get an early 2013 release? Still seems unlikely though...   
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Post by: Mathias Hyperion on August 12, 2012, 03:24:57 AM
as yew can see, he has a swoard in his hand.

Which looks uncannily like the sword Alucard has in the trailer.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 12, 2012, 11:30:36 AM
Which looks uncannily like the sword Alucard has in the trailer.

actually, it doesn't.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg189.imageshack.us%2Fimg189%2F1411%2Falym.png&hash=38c2105cbe82d1f2721026249669c004)

As you can see, Alucard's sword has sharp points sticking out only on 1 side of his sword.

Not only that, but he has some kind of yellowish/bronze metal pieces that are inbetween the sharp points to the right side of the sword.

The sword Gabriel has does not have that same design obviously.
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Post by: Sindra on August 12, 2012, 03:28:51 PM
The sword Gabriel has does not have that same design obviously.

obviously

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Post by: flyingchai on August 12, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
If the argument about it DEFINITELY being a different sword is over the design differences between a painted rendering and the CGI sequence, I'll point out that the back of Dracula's cloak is adorned with more gold in the art than in the CGI sequence and therefore isn't identical either. The elbows of his gauntlets don't have gold pointed tips in the trailer either, unlike the poster art.
I'm sure in reality, he's wearing the same thing, it's just rendered slightly differently in two different media.

I'm with Mathias on this one, it probably is the same sword with a significance about it.


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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 12, 2012, 06:40:14 PM
Lol whatever.

That guy said it looked uncannily like the sword Alucard used.

I pointed out that it did not.

I never said the 2 swords weren't the same, although I don't believe they are.

Believe what you guys want to believe, but that sword DEFINITELY (yes I used that word again) doesn't look the same as the one gabriel used in the artwork.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 12, 2012, 10:11:53 PM
Well folks I looked at cox's twitter and the LoS2 demo read this


http://twitter.com/gerrard8torres9/status/233419758870085632 (http://twitter.com/gerrard8torres9/status/233419758870085632)


and well there will be no los2 demo  :'(




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Post by: Chernabogue on August 13, 2012, 02:23:23 AM
Well folks I looked at cox's twitter and the LoS2 demo read this


http://twitter.com/gerrard8torres9/status/233419758870085632 (http://twitter.com/gerrard8torres9/status/233419758870085632)


and well there will be no los2 demo  :'(
No surprise, it's still too early. At best, we'll get a new trailer (I really hope for that).
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Post by: Nagumo on August 16, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
There's going to be a "big announcement" today regarding this game apperently.
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Post by: Chernabogue on August 16, 2012, 02:07:22 AM
There's going to be a "big announcement" today regarding this game apperently.
Trailertrailtrailertrailer plz
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Post by: Dominus on August 16, 2012, 07:55:26 AM
Was this posted? LoS2 coming to PC
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/236081293866201088
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Post by: Chernabogue on August 16, 2012, 08:02:02 AM
Posted in the other thread, but yeah, that's an AWESOME news.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 16, 2012, 08:03:02 AM
OMG best news ever.!  ;D
Here's hoping for a PC version of LoS I, can you imagine how beauftiful would it look? And of course it could fix the framerate

BTW, wow, this is the first PC 'vania since RONDO OF BLOOD
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Post by: Sumac on August 16, 2012, 08:30:15 AM
It's too good to be true.
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Post by: uzo on August 16, 2012, 08:41:06 AM
So, I presume that LoS1 might be slated for porting to PC now? I mean, otherwise PC only players will be completely lost.

EDIT: By the way, if PC is confirmed for LoS2 then that is the confirmed platform I will buy it on. PC is just far too superior, and we wont be having issues of frame rates dropping, and getting some true HD 1080.

Well, if they put it on Steam that is. No Steam, no purchase for me. Also if they do not unlock the framerate from 30 or whatever bullshit they have to limit it to on consoles, then that's also a deal breaker. 60fps or it's a pass. MS you just raised the bar of expectations high. You better live up to it or your PC venture will crash and burn. We aren't your typical console crowd and will not put up with this bullshit.

/pcmasterrace


OMG best news ever.!  ;D
Here's hoping for a PC version of LoS I, can you imagine how beauftiful would it look? And of course it could fix the framerate

BTW, wow, this is the first PC 'vania since RONDO OF BLOOD

Rondo of Blood was never on PC. If you have such a thing, its a pirate + emulator.

The first PC release in the franchise was for DOS and it was a (shitty) port of the first Castlevania. There was also a great port of CV2, coupled with, I believe, Contra.

Beyond that I don't recall anything else unless you count the MSX Vampire Killer, and X68 Castlevania (later became Chornicles for PS1). I excluded them because they are not truly what you would consider the PC Platform.
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Post by: Xadion on August 16, 2012, 08:46:51 AM
the confusion of CV-X / rondo on "PC" first may be that it was on the PC Engine or whatever- aka the TurboGraphix 16 / cd - here in the states I belive- not PC as in personal computer.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 16, 2012, 08:49:12 AM
Wasn't the PC engine a nec based pc? I'm confused. If it's not, it's the first since.. Castlevania 1? D:

BTW, the press release just confirmed OPEN WORLD
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Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 swoops to PC

KONAMI details Windows PC version of its epic saga

Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH has announced that it will release a Windows PC version of its stunning Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 alongside the versions for PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system and the Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system from Microsoft.

The Windows PC version of Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 is being simultaneously developed by Madrid-based Mercury Steam, and builds on its critically acclaimed predecessor in every way. The new game features an all-new storyline, a larger cast of characters, huge open world environments and breath-taking visuals delivered via a much more powerful, brand new in house game engine called Mercury Engine 2.

Whereas the first game detailed the origin of Dracula and his legendary connection with the Belmonts, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, acts as a shocking finale to the Lords of Shadow saga, as Dracula returns once again; weakened and yearning for release from his immortal bonds. Facing a new and powerful threat, the vampire lord must amass his old powers – and his castle is central to regaining his abilities.

“Castlevania: Lords of Shadow successfully rebooted the franchise but now we want to go further and exceed people’s expectations on what to expect from the sequel,” commented Dave Cox, Producer of Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 and Head of Product Planning and Development for Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH. “This new game tells a much broader tale and one that spans centuries. It is a game that pushes whatever format it is on to the absolute limit, and we are delighted that Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2’s rich blend of first-class fighting, deep exploration and rich storytelling are set to delight and enthrall PC users, too. There’s a darkness coming and with our new game engine, we hope to deliver something truly special across multiple formats that will set new standards for action adventure games …”

Of course, I think they mean the "stages" are open and not linear, you can't have the same open world for centuries.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 16, 2012, 09:09:46 AM
Well going on what the leaker said, Lords of Shadow 2 is gonna be non linear like Darksiders.

And as someone who has been currently playing Darksiders 2, Im fucking stoked.
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Post by: Ascension on August 16, 2012, 09:51:53 AM

The first PC release in the franchise was for DOS and it was a (shitty) port of the first Castlevania. There was also a great port of CV2, coupled with, I believe, Contra.


Yeah, I think the one I have has CVI,II, and III and also has Contra on it.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 16, 2012, 12:38:58 PM
Open world!?

Color me intrigued Cox.

Will be keeping my eye on LOS2 even more now than before.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 16, 2012, 03:57:43 PM
Was this posted? LoS2 coming to PC
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/236081293866201088

Time to updATE THE LOS2 PAGE
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Post by: Kamirine on August 16, 2012, 04:45:37 PM
Coming to PC and open world? *spazzes the **** out*
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Post by: Grimlock78 on August 17, 2012, 09:55:20 AM
This is a major situation for me. :( I really plan to get this game, Unfortunately for me I don't exactly own all the systems in my house thus the problem. I NEED FREAKING permission to buy the game on ether the PS3 or XBOX360 I Don't have a PC I can get it for,ah well my complaints don't really anyway. :P :)
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Post by: Oralox on August 17, 2012, 03:18:05 PM
LOS2 being released on PC also means MODS
Classic Sonic Adventures Released! (Sonic Generations Mod) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25LQpWgqEg#ws)
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Post by: Grimlock78 on August 20, 2012, 11:50:09 AM
MODS? explain please.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 20, 2012, 12:48:35 PM
MODS? explain please.

Whats there to explain?

PC games are generally far more easier to mod than console games due to their files being more "accessible".
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Post by: Grimlock78 on August 20, 2012, 12:58:29 PM
I guess I just made another patented "idiot zone" comment. sorry :'(
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 11, 2012, 11:01:36 AM
So I found this at my twitter today...

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Dave Cox‏@CastlevaniaLOS Is it a picture or is it the game?? #edit pic.twitter.com/BwouaEJR

Enric Alvarez‏@Enric_Alvarez @CastlevaniaLOS I know the answer!! May I say it??

Dave Cox‏@CastlevaniaLOS @Enric_Alvarez - LOL No!!! :)

I'm guessing that's Gabriel or some character in the Brotherhood of Light.


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Post by: Dremn on October 11, 2012, 11:16:11 AM
Holy shit, that looks amazing!
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Post by: crisis on October 11, 2012, 11:26:59 AM
Spider-man is amazing, Oswald. This, however, just looks interesting. pronouns~
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Post by: Kingshango on October 11, 2012, 01:21:52 PM
I honestly can't tell if it's concept art or not, if the game looks like that then :o

Can't tell from the pic when the game takes place tho.


Edit: That guy has to be Gabriel, the longcoat is pretty much a dead give away but is that a sword I see in his hand?
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Post by: Chernabogue on October 11, 2012, 01:25:44 PM
Wow, looks great!  :o
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Post by: flyingchai on October 11, 2012, 01:56:16 PM
Definitely it's Dracul....although what's that orange thing on his back? Looks like his wearing a fur boa or something. I don't see anything in his hands, I think what looked like a weapon / sword is actually just his hand meeting the vertical tile line of the ground.

Breathtaking nonetheless! They wanted to go for something beyond epic, and I guess it would start with the way the game looks...
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Post by: Kingshango on October 11, 2012, 02:19:18 PM
upon further inspection, you are correct it is the line on the ground.

But still it's looking good, it's a shame we probably won't see it in action well into next year though.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 11, 2012, 03:47:19 PM
Sorry, I didn't state this earlier but. Before he posted the screenshots, this is what he posted earlier.

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Dave Cox @CastlevaniaLOS In an edit suite in darkest Wiltshire preparing special CVLOS2 trailer for US VIP :)

And then a fan asked when do we get to see it?

Dave Cox @CastlevaniaLOS @Rodrigo_o_Kiko - Sorry its an internal only trailer :(

I want to see this trailer.

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Post by: Maedhros on October 11, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
Even if it's for PC too, I would only buy it if we could get the first one too.
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 11, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
So I found this at my twitter today...

I'm guessing that's Gabriel or some character in the Brotherhood of Light.
If that IS a in-game shot...then HOLY SH*T! I must say I am pretty hyped now seeing how Mirror of Fate is getting pretty positive reviews at this point!
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Post by: Chernabogue on October 11, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
Internal trailer?? C'mon!
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Post by: JR on October 11, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
So Cox tweeted about a trailer that only a small group of people will get to see? That's kind of a douchebag thing to do :(

Image looks nice, though.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 12, 2012, 01:19:56 AM
Not really, developers do this all time. They gotta make sure the hype gets running. Besides the trailer we will get to see won't be anything close to this 'trailer' or 'gameplay' this trailer would be probably 10-15 minutes long summarizing the whole game, so this screenshot is something nice they have done, even though MoF is what everyone is focusing on in Mercurysteam.

As for the tile/sword thing, I've already tweeted him about what is that thing near his right hand? That maybe a sword though. Remember this?
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Post by: JR on October 12, 2012, 02:22:32 AM
Even still, I find it douchey that he publicly announced something that will be shown in private. Oh well, it's kind of amusing.
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Post by: Foffy on October 12, 2012, 04:39:27 PM
>Make trailer for game
>Make no intention of showing it to the public
>Make comment on Twitter about this, showing said comment to the public

How baffling. When did Konami turn into Square-Enix? :3c
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 12, 2012, 08:10:57 PM
Remember when game companies just didn't bullshit around when they released info? It was just, we're releasing info or not. None of this beat around the bush crap, none of this announcing something before it was even greenlit(damn you Capcom), no secretive teasing how cool these games are, yet saying, "Oh no, not yet! Just forget about it for a while...". Yes, Square Enix is notorious nowadays for pulling that crap. You have internal guys raving about how the footage of Versus is jawdropping, "Oh, but wait a while. Set your sights first on Toriyama's new venture in FFXIII, Lighting Returns!". I still say, there SHOULD be a law that game companies could ONLY announce a game(make it's presence known publically) if the game, itself, is near half completed. None of this announce it in pre-production when they haven't even started working on it, or like I said with Capcom, announcing it before it was even GREENLIT(Mega Man Legends 3...... URGGHHHHHHH!). I say, there should be a video game regulator! Whip those companies in shape! ;D
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on October 13, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
>Make trailer for game
>Make no intention of showing it to the public
>Make comment on Twitter about this, showing said comment to the public

How baffling. When did Konami turn into Square-Enix? :3c

When money started flowing all over their offices.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 13, 2012, 07:24:03 AM
I don't know, I thought we would only get to see MoF items, but hey LoS2. But Ahhh well, you guys have a point too, don't tease us like that.

Anyways, anybody notice how this picture incorporates daylight? Like the last game? Vampires in Daylight... I suppose they read Bram Stoker's then. Nosferatu did it wrong with Vampires burning though. We better not have that with Gabriel though, the only thing I can accept is Gabriel's powers weaken, much like Dracula. In LoS, we did have burning Vampires in the Castle Hall. Why wouldn't Gabriel Just plan his attack on night time? It would be easier.
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Post by: satvara on October 13, 2012, 11:04:20 AM
Love the art design in that shot. Gothic and sinister.

I'm assuming that is likely the first glimpse of the actual game... got my attention.
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Post by: flyingchai on October 13, 2012, 11:37:01 AM
 About the daylight thing, Laura was also in broad daylight when she first appears in Reverie.
The sunlight is all in the chess room and the castle hall...
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Post by: crisis on October 13, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
well new canon dictates that vampires sparkle in daylight, so it's all good :B
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 13, 2012, 01:04:26 PM
So that means Powerful Tiered Vampires can survive in daylight AND have same amount of powers like Laura? Naaah those windows were UV proof maybe :P (Yeah those windows shattered) But since Gabriel is stronger than Laura and Carmilla, can he survive in daylight? That's the thing. Time will tell I suppose.
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Post by: Flame on October 13, 2012, 11:52:10 PM
Well, some media always tend to fancy the idea of more powerful vampires (like, say, Dracula) being able to go out in broad daylight with maybe the sole drawback of having little to no power, whereas lesser lower vampires will burn up
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Post by: Sumac on October 14, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
AFAIK, according to the old legends, vampires weren't that vulnerable to the sunlight.
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Post by: Flame on October 14, 2012, 02:13:13 PM
It's funny how that idea came from nosferatu, which is older than Lugosi Dracula, (which is the iconic and classical Dracula look,) and yet they often mix the idea of Dracula with the idea of burning in sunlight, and it's something which really caught on with vampire lore.
Much like the idea of Vampires that turn you just by simply biting you. (I'm thinking that probably came from Werewolves)
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 14, 2012, 03:12:52 PM
AFAIK, according to the old legends, vampires weren't that vulnerable to the sunlight.
They really WEREN'T vulnerable at all. They could walk among the daylight. Some legends even say, during the day, they would even blend INTO society and be indestinguishable from normal people(they could be your friend, or co-worker, go to work, go to school, and act as a functioning member of society). It was just in the night, their powers and cravings would be at their peak.

I personally, do like the modern depctions only because the night is a powerful thing in horror. Night just looks better whenever you think of vampires. Gothic night, huge full moon in the sky, it just fits. Not just with vampires, werewolves, zombies, demons, even slasher killers. Jason Voorhees is much more scarier when he's chopping people up during the night than in broad daylight. Camp Crystal Lake is much more creepier a place at night. It's kinda a natural thing, because the night, itself, is it's own obstacle. We are creatures of the daylight, functioning mainly during the day. Duriing the night, mostly, we are tired, disoriented, obscured by darkness(we lack natural night vision). For monsters and horror lore, to me, it just fits it like a glove.

But yeah, Dracula can walk during the day. He did in Stoker's novel.
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Post by: Kale on October 14, 2012, 08:22:32 PM
I thought the whole burning thing came from the buffy tv series.. Which was really just a way to decrease the budget instead of keep a bunch of dead corpses laying about the show, like how the movie did it.

As for the biting... I don't think there are many stories taht use it. Most use the bite and feeding of blood, I think.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 14, 2012, 11:24:46 PM
I don't think Vampires really don't go by the Daytime/Night-time hours. I believe it's more of daylight and shadow concept. If they are exposed to light, powers are weakened whereas in darker areas, their abilities "Shine" brighter ;). If you just think it like that, you don't have to bring science into it then by explaining UV rays. Vampires have always been metaphysical creatures with mastery of Dark-Arts. They truly are the creatures of the night and they have no place in the light of day whereas humans are not made for night-time, unless you're a Belmont. Happy Hunting then!
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Post by: uzo on October 15, 2012, 08:02:44 AM
The moon reflects 0.0002% of sunlight, and UV rays specifically half as well. This means 0.0001% of UV rays from the sun are reaching anything on the planet under moonlight.

I guess vampires are 0.0001% weaker during moonlight?

I wonder though, about the moon light giving power to vampires thing. If I recall correctly, in Circle of the Moon, and likely others, its alluded to that the moonlight can be an enhancer or power bringer for Dracula. If UV's were responsible for weakening vampires, that wouldn't be true, to a very very small degree. It would effectively be a neutral effect.

So the main question I have is; The notion that moonlight empowers or enhances vampire abilities, is that something that was added in recent times, or was that part of the original lore?

Oh science. How we love thee.
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Post by: Sumac on October 15, 2012, 08:34:14 AM
I like the idea of the powerfull vampires being invunerable to the sun (like Dracula, Orlox or Carmilla) and the usual vampires being strictly nocturnal creatures.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 16, 2012, 09:33:57 AM
The moon reflects 0.0002% of sunlight, and UV rays specifically half as well. This means 0.0001% of UV rays from the sun are reaching anything on the planet under moonlight.

I guess vampires are 0.0001% weaker during moonlight?

I wonder though, about the moon light giving power to vampires thing. If I recall correctly, in Circle of the Moon, and likely others, its alluded to that the moonlight can be an enhancer or power bringer for Dracula. If UV's were responsible for weakening vampires, that wouldn't be true, to a very very small degree. It would effectively be a neutral effect.

So the main question I have is; The notion that moonlight empowers or enhances vampire abilities, is that something that was added in recent times, or was that part of the original lore?

Oh science. How we love thee.
I never cared for the UV explaination in modern vampire lore. Traditional vampires seemed more magical than science based. It wasn't a "vampire virus" they possessed more than vampiric/demonic influence(increased bloodlust and a inhibited dark persona). They still had supernatural abilities that laid outside of the boundries of science(especially traditional vampire lore, in which shapeshifting was still prevalent).

And I'm not sure about modern vampire lore, but maybe moonlight is considered the "sun" of the night creatures. The sun gives us vitamins, helps plants grow. It's vital to mainly all things within the daytime hours. While not every night has a full moon, perhaps to the creatures of the night, it hads a bit of bonus attributes to their strength. Just thinking more mystically, not scientifically. The sun is almost a central deity/god in lots of cultural lore. People believe it's beneficial properties and importance to life before modern science proved it. Warmth of the sun and of the day, is almost the direct opposite of the shine of the moon, which is cold, lifeless, dead. Pale moonlight, cold, I would think is perfect of a light for creatures like vampires. 
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 16, 2012, 10:21:04 PM
While I do believe that Science can explain certain aspects of the vampire lore, the mysticism and culture of bloodsuckers vary from region to region. In terms of the the Iconic Vampires like Dracula, Nosferatu and other variant of pop-cultural variants of Vampires, most of them burn by daylight. Now a high tier vampire such as Dracula, can survive in daylight, his powers don't however. But at night time they do. Now I just don't understand why full moon grants Dracula bonus content or full abilities when the moon at that time is the most brightest. To me that doesn't really make sense to me. A Vampire influenced by full moon isn't so convincing as Vampire influenced by the complete darkness is. If we took Dracula to a foreign planet with a powerful light source and had a moon twice as large as our moon. How would we measure our Vampire's power?
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Post by: Inccubus on October 16, 2012, 11:22:57 PM
I think everyone is assuming a linear progression of effect, but that isn't always the case with everything. For example, we put fluoride in our toothpaste and drinking water to help prevent cavities, right? Fluoride, however, has actually been shown to CAUSE tooth decay in too large a dose, plus it is poisonous to humans if ingested in large quantities. So it stands to reason that it is possible that a low dose of reflected sunlight could have slight to radically different effects on creatures that are sensitive to it. Just sayin'.
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Post by: Chernabogue on October 17, 2012, 03:11:27 AM
Each time I see this one bumped, I'm hoping for some news, or a trailer or some pics. But instead it's just discussion about vampires, toothpaste and UV.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 17, 2012, 06:12:36 AM
Well if you want some type of news, I do have this regarding their new engine from a gaming radio show in Spain.

Quote from:
Mercury Steam have actually optimized their engine for the Cell CPU multiprocessing capabilities this time around, LoS budget wasn't nothing out of the ordinary and they preferred more and better artists than multicore-experienced software engineers (rewriting the code wasn't an option) so using the CPU for rendering tasks didn't make the deadlines and they opted for a traditional and cheaper (that budget...) engineering approach which ended hurting the overall performance of the game in both the PS3 and X360 versions of the game. LoS 2 will perform at a locked 30 frames per second with larger areas and better image quality.


Oh and from the same source, a PC version of the first game will be a bonus in the collectors edition of the PC version of Lords of Shadow 2 . Although that is classified as a rumor, but that would be sweet.
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Post by: crisis on October 17, 2012, 08:01:37 AM
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Cell CPU multiprocessing capabilities

lol
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Post by: Maedhros on October 17, 2012, 04:42:43 PM
lol

What's the problem with the phrase?

Also, it has to be 60FPS on PC...
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 17, 2012, 10:46:18 PM
Each time I see this one bumped, I'm hoping for some news, or a trailer or some pics. But instead it's just discussion about vampires, toothpaste and UV.
I think this is a nice way to end the talk about vampire attributes/weaknesses, a little bookend so we can move on with a chuckle.

You Know What's Bullsh!t? - Vampires! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHEItvqF-tg#ws)
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Post by: Nagumo on October 18, 2012, 07:52:41 AM
...

So let's move on to listening ways people can turn into vampires!

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Post by: uzo on October 18, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
If you commit suicide.

BRB guys, I'm gonna be a vampire!
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Post by: crisis on October 18, 2012, 10:40:54 AM
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What's the problem with the phrase?

Nothing, I just miss the days when every game didn't rely on multi-cell processing 60 frames per second über-realistic super-high definition state of the art graphics, especially for Castlevania. All I care about LoS2 and Castlevania as a whole is that it will have fun gameplay & good music, who cares if the game pushes the PS3/X360/PC hardware capabilities to the absolute limit. I'm prolly exagerrating, and these things have prolly always been part of the industry, but nowadays it's just so prevalent and important to everybody that aspects like fun-factor and replayability may have taken a step back in favor of how pretty & photo-realistic the game looks (which is why I'll always love games like Shinobi for PS2, not for it's CUTTING EDGE graphix engine they exclusively developed, but for it's excellent gameplay and difficulty.) I expect all that technical mumbo jumbo in an interview for a MGS or Halo game, but not for Castlevania.


Konami, please arrange some meetings with WayForward already.
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Post by: thernz on October 18, 2012, 11:15:38 AM
eh, it makes sense. lords tended to have performance dips at times, so this is just clarifying that WE'LL HAVE NONE OF THAT NOW. so it's still a good thing and affects fun-factor.
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Post by: crisis on October 18, 2012, 11:29:07 AM
But there'll always be performance dips & glitches, no matter how technically proficient the engine is. Especially if the game is as "open world" as they say it is.

I want them to explain how platforming will be way better this time around, and how they've learned a lot about how to do it correctly in a 3D space, etc. stuff like that affects fun factor for me at least. Maybe I'm asking for too much.
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Post by: Nagumo on October 18, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
BRB guys, I'm gonna be a vampire!

I remember reading this method in a children's guidebook to vampires. It explains that it's a common belief in Romania. It then went on to state: "Remember kids, this method only works in the respective country where this belief is held!" So I guess they were trying to do a little damage controle there. 
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on October 23, 2012, 09:23:40 AM
the question is ... when we'll be able to see a footage of this game ?
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Post by: flyingchai on October 23, 2012, 09:32:40 AM
the question is ... when we'll be able to see a footage of this game ?

I doubt anytime before MoF comes out, that's for sure.
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Post by: Inccubus on October 23, 2012, 09:50:03 AM
Agreed. In fact if I were MS I'd be using MoF to keep attention away from LoS2 and devote more time to working on the game and less on advertising it at this early stage. Plus there really aren't any big trade shows coming up, right?
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on October 23, 2012, 09:52:16 AM
Agreed. In fact if I were MS I'd be using MoF to keep attention away from LoS2 and devote more time to working on the game and less on advertising it at this early stage. Plus there really aren't any big trade shows coming up, right?

nothing , for both LOS2 and MOF
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 23, 2012, 11:14:34 AM
Castlevania has always presented itself on E3 mostly, so LoS2 is just going present itself there. If anything, we might get something nice for Christmas like more concept artwork. I wonder whether the game will even release on 2013, considering how they delayed MoF. LoS2 is most likely a 2014 event.
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 23, 2012, 07:24:04 PM
I bet for a VGA2012 trailer. Hopefully it gives them big exposition.
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Post by: Melanicus on November 08, 2012, 11:40:07 PM
Here's another picture of Dracula, posted by Cox in honor of Bram Stoker's birthday:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fimgly_production%2F6079717%2Flarge.jpg&hash=915d99603e83f6484c40e5927ee27283)

http://s3.amazonaws.com/imgly_production/6079717/large.jpg (http://s3.amazonaws.com/imgly_production/6079717/large.jpg)
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 09, 2012, 12:52:40 AM
Gorgeous! :o
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Post by: Maedhros on November 09, 2012, 05:12:25 AM
Fucking fantastic.
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Post by: crisis on November 09, 2012, 05:20:44 AM
I still don't understand why the castle is connected via giant chains (wasn't that first seen in the [terrible] Van Helsing movie?)
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Post by: Kingshango on November 09, 2012, 05:49:05 AM
Fanning myself, that's hot. 8)

I have to see this in motion.
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Post by: Nagumo on November 09, 2012, 05:50:26 AM
That castle looks ridiculously large.  :o
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Post by: Flame on November 09, 2012, 07:32:54 AM
I still don't understand why the castle is connected via giant chains (wasn't that first seen in the [terrible] Van Helsing movie?)
because it looks cool. and cv traditionally draws inspiration from dracula movies. also,
terrible? thats like, your opinion.
, man.
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Post by: Maedhros on November 09, 2012, 07:52:36 AM
because it looks cool. and cv traditionally draws inspiration from dracula movies. also,
terrible? thats like, your opinion.
, man.

It's really a terrible movie. People that find it good are actually pretty rare.
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Post by: crisis on November 09, 2012, 09:51:31 AM
yeah that movie sucked dude. lol
hopefully the proposed reboot will be better
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Post by: Dremn on November 09, 2012, 10:23:30 AM
Damn, that screen is impressive looking.
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Post by: thernz on November 09, 2012, 02:25:31 PM
can i jump off


it'd be neat if the castle was actually this coherent space, where the castle is actually as big as it is and rooms fit in where they are. so that you can find shortcuts as gabriel by taking mad death plunges and scurrying along a flying buttress

and then you secretly find a bathroom and everything makes sense now.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on November 09, 2012, 02:30:22 PM
because it looks cool. and cv traditionally draws inspiration from dracula movies. also,
terrible? thats like, your opinion.
, man.
I dont think it looks THAT cool. Might be an interesting design choice the first time around, but it really has no realistic purpose to connect castles with giant chain links. I mean, if it was a floating castle, and pieces of the castle were tethered to each other to keep from floating off(I'm kinda thinking about the chain in Chrono Trigger that keeps Mount Woe grounded). Other than that, it's just not that interesting a design choice as far as artistic liberties are concerned. For Van Helsing, it can slide but maybe they should've taken their own liberties(just like many other aspects of the LoS) and represent the castle in a new way(that didn't resort to "big chains" connecting the castle).
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Post by: Kingshango on November 09, 2012, 04:25:56 PM
Maybe the castle is chained because it moves from location to location, which is the reason why the castle looks like it's not on top of that mountain. I would be a good excuse since they've already established that the castle is a living entity, unless they reconned that. *Shrugs*

I bet that there will be some type of puzzle involved where you have to move the towers with the chains.
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on November 09, 2012, 04:45:08 PM
yeah from what i saw they designed something big to be explored ! can't wait
i wish that the game will contain a big inventory too where you can keep your items , sub weapons , relics and keys  ;)
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 09, 2012, 04:53:35 PM
yeah from what i saw they designed something big to be explored ! can't wait
i wish that the game will contain a big inventory too where you can keep your items , sub weapons , relics and keys  ;)

Well Cox and team seems to like to distance themselves from the metroidvania approach on things, so its unlikely we will be seeing a lot of collectable items and weapons in LOS2.

Although it would be freaken great considering what has been revealed about it being a very large open world kind of game.
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Post by: crisis on November 09, 2012, 05:03:38 PM
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I bet that there will be some type of puzzle involved where you have to move the towers with the chains.

sounds like one of the "puzzles" from God of War II, which involved moving giant chains that were connected to the main "hub" closer
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Post by: Kingshango on November 09, 2012, 05:54:58 PM
sounds like one of the "puzzles" from God of War II, which involved moving giant chains that were connected to the main "hub" closer

Could be, I wouldn't put it pass them to do something similar since well, it's already similar enough to God of War anyway.  :P

On the otherhand, the revelation that the castle is alive and could be mobile if the chains were removed sounds interesting but I don't see Mercurysteam being THAT ambitious.

Plus, being able to control the entire castle like a titanic fortress sounds stupid. I mean, who would enjoy something like that?

 

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Post by: Maedhros on November 09, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Haven't they said this game would have more exploration? The game could be just about exploration, backtracking, etc. It certainly would be much better than whatever we had in LoS 1, where we had to play the stage again to get the missing items.
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Post by: Kingshango on November 09, 2012, 06:25:26 PM
It was confirmed in the press release that the game would be open world and not stage based.

Anyway, it seems that we might get a full reveal soon. We're already getting offscreen in game shot's, a full blown trailer might not be too far off but im not setting my hopes too high tho.
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Post by: Flame on November 09, 2012, 10:21:20 PM
It's really a terrible movie. People that find it good are actually pretty rare.
Well I like it. :<
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 15, 2012, 11:37:26 AM
Not really a surprise or anything very interesting, but Cox confirmed that the second tomb seen in the trailer is Laura's (the other one being Marie's).
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Post by: crisis on November 15, 2012, 11:45:45 AM
b-but Laura's body disintegrated in Gabriel's arms once he finished draining her of her blood


logic in castlevania
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 15, 2012, 11:59:04 AM
b-but Laura's body disintegrated in Gabriel's arms once he finished draining her of her blood


logic in castlevania
Yeah. Must be more of a mausoleum/symbolic place than an actual tomb.
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Post by: uzo on November 15, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
So much for the telepath girl he murdered.
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Post by: Flame on November 15, 2012, 12:21:56 PM
I didn't realize he gave that much of a shit over Laura instead of the sole surviving girl of an ancient civilization he murdered in his sleep, who helped him traverse the ancient ruins of her civilization and defeat the monsters there, Including a gigantic stone golem.  Laura DID try to kill him initially after all...

I mean I know he was hung up over Laura being a real old Vampire and yet only a little girl, and how laura seemed affected by Gabriel's displays of affection towards Marie's ghost, but really? enough to give her a memorial tomb?

Then again, whatever... I suppose his mind IS on a completely different page now that he's a vampire...
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Post by: crisis on November 15, 2012, 12:27:00 PM
nah it's just cox/alvarez being dumb


besides Gabriel already gave Claudia a burial spot/tomb, if anyone remembers
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Post by: A-Yty on November 15, 2012, 12:30:15 PM
He's still kind of a dick :D

Laura was a monster who wanted and deserved to die. The least he could have done for Claudia was keep a remainder of her in his castle to nev4r forget.

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Post by: crisis on November 15, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
that's cuz gabriel be like

long hair
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled.png&hash=079a14edf2e7c75f1667c78f583a8ebf)
don't care
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Post by: flyingchai on November 15, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
I think the whole disintigration thing was just an artistic choice to get Laura's dead body off the screen, just like all the enemies magically disappear after being killed.
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Post by: Tanatra on November 15, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
I haven't been keeping up with this topic much, so this may have already been mentioned, but I was playing SCV4 a few weeks ago and the music that plays during the fight with Dracula reminded me very much of the music in the LoS2 trailer. Granted, the similarities are loose (just like "The Waterfall" and "Waterfalls of Agartha") but I didn't have to strain to hear them like I do in the LoS tracks that claim to have been inspired by music from previous CV games.
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 15, 2012, 11:00:41 PM
I haven't been keeping up with this topic much, so this may have already been mentioned, but I was playing SCV4 a few weeks ago and the music that plays during the fight with Dracula reminded me very much of the music in the LoS2 trailer. Granted, the similarities are loose (just like "The Waterfall" and "Waterfalls of Agartha") but I didn't have to strain to hear them like I do in the LoS tracks that claim to have been inspired by music from previous CV games.
Now you're saying it, that's true they bear some similarities.
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Post by: Sumac on November 16, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
Tombs could be created and tributed to dead people, even if there is no body.
Simple logic.  ;)
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Post by: crisis on November 16, 2012, 10:17:26 AM
There is no "logic" when it comes to Castlevania.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on November 23, 2012, 11:21:28 AM
Like most Vampires, Laura got reduced into ashes and he placed them in the tomb, because having a Pot for ashes wouldn't be fitting for once a Christian man or Traditional vampire burial. Claudia was a side journey for Gabriel, he regrets everything that happened there. She was the first person to break his humanity on purpose if not counting the Brotherhood's conspiracy upon Gabriel. Why didn't she tell him about the vision? Some things could've been prevented and he already did a burial for Claudia in a lot of sorrow. First his wife got murdered just couple days ago and now he questions whether he was the one who killed Claudia or not and he probably blamed himself for the death of both Claudia and Black Knight. He buried her right after the battle, that's just grieving for sadness if you think about it. Laura in the other hand seemed like an evil child but Gabriel was probably surprised when she spared him after electrocuting him. Vampires are evil right? Why the mercy? That is pretty much a philosophy changer. After Marie goes into heaven, Claudia pops out, walking with a rhythm giving facial expressions like, "Gotcha, Biatch!" After his failed attempt to bring back Marie, Laura asks him for aid and explains now uncaring, stubborn Gabriel about the aftermath of destroyin the LoS, and she sympathizes and becomes personal when she is talking about Gabriel's current feelings. She even insults Gabriel when he decided not to care for the world and then there is a 300 year old vampire who's humanity was stripped a long time ago and now is an evil darkling talking about "gotta save the world". After that, Laura offers herself to her death so Gabriel can complete his mission... Laura was not hiding anything away from Gabriel unlike Claudia. Laura's role had greater significance than they did to Claudia. A lonely survivor with her Guardian as companion over an evil being that sacrifices herself so humanity can live to see another...
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Post by: Neobelmont on November 23, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
There is no "logic" when it comes to Castlevania.

There is no logic when it comes to video games in general just take it kick back and enjoy the ride  :)
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 24, 2012, 08:16:20 AM
Bringing the mirror reflection discussion here, hehe. Maybe it has been discussed before, but a comment on YouTube made me think about it. Gabriel/Dracula has no reflection in the mirror at the beginning of the trailer. However, Alucard DOES have one in the sword at the end.
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Post by: Nagumo on November 24, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
Alucard having a reflection....

Alucard not having a reflection....

Make up your mind, Konami!
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Post by: Kingshango on November 24, 2012, 08:52:50 AM
Yeah im still calling demon until further notice.

 *sigh* Man we need another trailer.
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Post by: flyingchai on November 24, 2012, 11:34:58 AM
Yeah im still calling demon until further notice.

Or perhaps since Alucard's only a half a vampire, his humanity still lets him have a reflection.
Having thought about it, I don't see a non-vampiric demon having vampire powers. (Bat projectiles, mist)
His eyes are probably still yellow for not ever having fed, much like Dracula's eyes were yellow in the epilogue after not having fed for a 100 years.
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Post by: Inccubus on November 24, 2012, 05:19:09 PM
I think it's more likely a case of art forgetting about mythos. Simply put they fucked up because they thought it would looke cool.
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Post by: Flame on November 25, 2012, 12:07:26 AM
It's true.. The screen of him in front of the mirror shows no reflection and the sword does...
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Post by: uzo on November 25, 2012, 12:33:13 AM
There is no logic when it comes to video games in general just take it kick back and enjoy the ride  :)

It is this attitude that supports the creation of inferior products in the industry.
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Post by: A-Yty on November 25, 2012, 03:06:43 AM
Perhaps it's another blooper like the wing thing in MoF  8)
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Post by: Sumac on November 25, 2012, 08:59:45 AM
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It is this attitude that supports the creation of inferior products in the industry.
While I am generaly agree with that statement, being anal about certain things, that doesn't have direct effect on the game is as bad and annoying like forgiving mistakes.
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Post by: Kingshango on November 28, 2012, 03:39:03 PM
Looks like im watching the VGAs after all.

http://www.spike.com/events/video-game-awards/world-premieres-trailers/y9gcjpsl (http://www.spike.com/events/video-game-awards/world-premieres-trailers/y9gcjpsl)
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Post by: Sumac on November 28, 2012, 03:46:58 PM
Sadly I can't watch it - after loading the page it says, that content is unavailable.
Well, will be waiting for the YouTube version it seems.
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Post by: Melanicus on November 28, 2012, 04:22:45 PM
Try this link: 
http://www.spike.com/events/video-game-awards/world-premieres-trailers/y9gcjp (http://www.spike.com/events/video-game-awards/world-premieres-trailers/y9gcjp)
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Post by: Dremn on November 28, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
Screw that, still not gonna watch the VGAs. I'll just wait for someone to upload the gameplay clip after the show.
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Post by: flyingchai on November 28, 2012, 05:32:06 PM
The castle's on fire.....it goes to Hell perhaps?
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Post by: Maedhros on November 28, 2012, 05:56:24 PM
Why am I so hyped? I don't like the first LoS. D:
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Post by: Ahasverus on November 28, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
Why am I so hyped? I don't like the first LoS. D:
"...The first, bitter taste of that terrible illusion: hope "
 ;D
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Post by: Kingshango on November 28, 2012, 06:06:06 PM
The castle's on fire.....it goes to Hell perhaps?

A big battle going on perhaps?
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Post by: Maedhros on November 28, 2012, 06:17:07 PM
"...The first, bitter taste of that terrible illusion: hope "
 ;D

I'm hoping for a non-linear Castle, with a fucking huge hub. Don't dissapoint me MercurySteam.
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Post by: flyingchai on November 28, 2012, 07:42:24 PM
Why am I so hyped? I don't like the first LoS. D:
Maybe because it's not going to be like the first LoS since they've taken feedback from those that have played it. Cox has already stated that there will be no chapter system, no narrator, and it'll be a non-linear exploration-driven combat adventure game.
Lots to look forward to, even for those that didn't like LoS1.
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Post by: Inccubus on November 28, 2012, 07:54:13 PM
I sure hope so. And a Wii U port would be nice too.
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Post by: superDioplus on November 28, 2012, 08:05:34 PM
I love LOS2 and MOF bring together some SOTN homage. ;D
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Post by: Inccubus on November 28, 2012, 08:11:24 PM
Hardly. At least not in MoF as far as I've seen. Maybe it's just me, but putting a different skin on a Belmont and giving him vampire powers as sub-weapons seems more like a shoehorn than an homage.
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Post by: Munchy on November 28, 2012, 11:20:31 PM
The castle's on fire.....it goes to Hell perhaps?

Hm... a certain part of this sounds hilarious. It would be amusingly dickish of Satan to steal Dracula's Castle.

It'd certainly be a unique twist to the words on the back of the English MSX Vampire Killer box about "Dracula's Satanic Castle", which I suppose is one translation of Demon Castle Dracula.

Yeah, I'd be all for having the Castle at the end of the game AND having to fight Satan inside it. (Provided you fight him in a different manner, the walking through colored circles was bleeehhhh)
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 28, 2012, 11:36:41 PM
OMG I'm so hyped for this!  ;D
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on November 29, 2012, 01:37:08 AM
Why am I so hyped? I don't like the first LoS. D:

Lol.......maybe, because this time will be different.
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Post by: Nagumo on November 29, 2012, 05:03:31 AM
He should have said "A cesspit of hatred and lies."

 :(
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Post by: A-Yty on November 29, 2012, 08:57:57 AM
He should have said "Homo sapiens".
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Post by: sannyclause on November 29, 2012, 09:37:16 AM
HO HO HO i think at the end of MOF alucard defeats dracula and after wards satan steals dracula's powers and his castle, what do u all think :)
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Post by: Heuss on November 29, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 VGA 2012 Teaser [HD 1080P] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXxcHnFmEM#ws)

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 29, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
I really dig that musical piece.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on November 29, 2012, 02:15:22 PM
It is this attitude that supports the creation of inferior products in the industry.

Nah I do not think so that kind of attitude is just fine. Just have fun with it, but if you are trying to tell a story you have to have some kind of "logic" or attention to detail to some degree but if there is something that is out there like getting eating a power pellet or something why question it just go for the ride I mean try finding logic as to why Link can hold so many things or how Mario gets bigger when he obtains a mushroom. Meanwhile time to update the Los2 page ciao.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on November 29, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 VGA 2012 Teaser [HD 1080P] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXxcHnFmEM#ws)

As I just said on facebook it bugs me he doesn't say miserable "little" pile of secrets. It's just not him but I hear people misquote it all the time. No it's not the end of the world but it does bug me.
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Post by: VladCT on November 29, 2012, 08:36:03 PM
It's kinda like the "Beam me up, Scotty!" problem, but at least it's not as bad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on November 30, 2012, 09:18:41 AM
If this game plays like skyrim, has levels yet open world, I'm good. But if it plays out like GTA, Infamous... Then I have problems. I hate the idea of going around the same places, couple of times to do main and side quests. Then after a while you'll open a whole new world that does the same thing... That's a bit disappointing if it does like that... Skyrim gameplay fits Castlevania. That's what I was expecting of LoS to be like, until they announced it to be lvl based.
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Post by: Sumac on November 30, 2012, 10:22:46 AM
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Then I have problems. I hate the idea of going around the same places, couple of times to do main and side quests.
Wasn't it basically one of the core ideas of "metroidvanias"?  :o
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on November 30, 2012, 11:23:50 AM
Well, if there is a place that you can't access on the first run through an area, coming back for that to obtain a optional or main ability or to get through a different rout that leads to a new area or the continuation of the main story, i can't see it as bad, even the first LoS did that, with the brotherhood chests.

 Now, if you have to go back and collect items or try to kill a number of enemies, that's another story, but even that the first LoS did, if you wanted to obtain 100% or more for a stage.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on November 30, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
If this game plays like skyrim, has levels yet open world, I'm good. But if it plays out like GTA, Infamous... Then I have problems. I hate the idea of going around the same places, couple of times to do main and side quests. Then after a while you'll open a whole new world that does the same thing... That's a bit disappointing if it does like that... Skyrim gameplay fits Castlevania. That's what I was expecting of LoS to be like, until they announced it to be lvl based.


Wasn't it basically one of the core ideas of "metroidvanias"?  :o

DUN-DUN-DUUUUN!!! Sound Effect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g#)

That was way too funny to me  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on November 30, 2012, 01:40:08 PM
The game is structured more like Darksiders 2 and Arkham City than Skyrim or GTA.
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Post by: Neobelmont on November 30, 2012, 01:45:15 PM
The game is structured more like Darksiders 2 and Arkham City than Skyrim or GTA.

Really? uhh... I have never played those games so i do not know  :-[ but it's bound to be awesome right  :)
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Post by: Kingshango on November 30, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
Really? uhh... I have never played those games so i do not know  :-[ but it's bound to be awesome right  :)

Depends on how non linear the game is but yes it's highly possible it'll end up awesome.
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Post by: shelverton. on November 30, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
I wonder about the camera. Will it be fixed? If it plays anything like Darksiders or Arkham City, the camera better not be fixed.
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Post by: Neobelmont on November 30, 2012, 02:15:47 PM
Depends on how non linear the game is but yes it's highly possible it'll end up awesome.

 :)
Terry Bogard - "OKAY!!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvEwKjO_j5o#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on November 30, 2012, 04:33:58 PM
I wonder about the camera. Will it be fixed? If it plays anything like Darksiders or Arkham City, the camera better not be fixed.

It better not have a fixed camera. That was one of the things that limited the level designs in the last game, IMO. But honestly, there was so much else I wanted addressed, it's going to be interesting to see the result. I can't say I'm confident, but the Castlevania fan in me is still curious. The last time I was really a pro Metroidvania guy was during the GBA era, so MS is kind of making a questionable change for me if they're going that route in 3D. I wanted more of a CV64/LoD approach--self-contained/contextual exploration mixed with action-platforming progression. However, I know that's pretty much a pipe dream during this current era. Here's hoping for some tight jumping controls at least. The story, however it twists the original narrative, is DOA for me after what was done in LoS1. Gabe as Drac just didn't ring true to me. Feels kind of "Hollywood-ish." Anyway, it's hard to save a story that was sloppy and sensationalist for the sake of sensationalism. In the end, the best I'm hoping for from it is a morphed retelling of Castlevania 1 (with the change being that it's Belmont vs Drac Belmont). But then, maybe I'm mistaken.

PS: Likes Neobelmont's Terry Bogard reference.

EDIT: Drac art a few pages back looks like a cross between Vamp and Orlando Bloom. Not really feeling that. Also, the SotN line? Maybe that's a teaser for it to be like SotN and boost the morale of that crowd, especially in the media, who bashed LoS1 for not being SotN3D. However, it better not be a sign of the often half-hearted homages/name drops found in LoS1.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on November 30, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Also, the SotN line? Maybe that's a teaser for it to be like SotN and boost the morale of that crowd, especially in the media, who bashed LoS1 for not being SotN3D. However, it better not be a sign of the often half-hearted homages/name drops found in LoS1.

Given that nearly all homages in the first game had only the most shallow contextual similarities to their originals... I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Post by: Kingshango on November 30, 2012, 05:35:01 PM
That art a few pages ago was fan art.

Only one official image of him has been released so far.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on November 30, 2012, 05:56:48 PM
It better not have a fixed camera. That was one of the things that limited the level designs in the last game, IMO. But honestly, there was so much else I wanted addressed, it's going to be interesting to see the result. I can't say I'm confident, but the Castlevania fan in me is still curious. The last time I was really a pro Metroidvania guy was during the GBA era, so MS is kind of making a questionable change for me if they're going that route in 3D. I wanted more of a CV64/LoD approach--self-contained/contextual exploration mixed with action-platforming progression. However, I know that's pretty much a pipe dream during this current era. Here's hoping for some tight jumping controls at least. The story, however it twists the original narrative, is DOA for me after what was done in LoS1. Gabe as Drac just didn't ring true to me. Feels kind of "Hollywood-ish." Anyway, it's hard to save a story that was sloppy and sensationalist for the sake of sensationalism. In the end, the best I'm hoping for from it is a morphed retelling of Castlevania 1 (with the change being that it's Belmont vs Drac Belmont). But then, maybe I'm mistaken.

PS: Likes Neobelmont's Terry Bogard reference.

EDIT: Drac art a few pages back looks like a cross between Vamp and Orlando Bloom. Not really feeling that. Also, the SotN line? Maybe that's a teaser for it to be like SotN and boost the morale of that crowd, especially in the media, who bashed LoS1 for not being SotN3D. However, it better not be a sign of the often half-hearted homages/name drops found in LoS1.


Richters back sup  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on November 30, 2012, 08:15:16 PM
Richters back sup  ;D
It was the call of a new trailer and hope that brought me back. Well, tainted hope, beaten to a pulp...but hope nonetheless. Strangely, it would appear that Spike TV and Castlevania go hand in hand these days. I wonder what that says about the series? :P

Anyway, buckle in for the commentary that'll be forthcoming on this thread once we've all seen the trailer.  :D (Personally, I'm sort of waiting for the post-LoS universe of Castlevania, but in the meantime, might as well see what's going on and hopefully the LoS sojourn will have enough positive exposure to keep the franchise going. This game will have to be like 100% better for me to buy the game outright at full price like I did LoS).

Thanks for the welcome back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 01, 2012, 12:57:40 AM
It was the call of a new trailer and hope that brought me back. Well, tainted hope, beaten to a pulp...but hope nonetheless. Strangely, it would appear that Spike TV and Castlevania go hand in hand these days. I wonder what that says about the series? :P

Anyway, buckle in for the commentary that'll be forthcoming on this thread once we've all seen the trailer.  :D (Personally, I'm sort of waiting for the post-LoS universe of Castlevania, but in the meantime, might as well see what's going on and hopefully the LoS sojourn will have enough positive exposure to keep the franchise going. This game will have to be like 100% better for me to buy the game outright at full price like I did LoS).

Thanks for the welcome back.

 ;D No prob. Personally I hope it gets crazy again, e3 was an awesome time to be a cv-fan and as for next week I hope for it to be even better  :)
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Post by: Sumac on December 01, 2012, 01:14:24 PM
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Gabe as Drac just didn't ring true to me. Feels kind of "Hollywood-ish." Anyway, it's hard to save a story that was sloppy and sensationalist for the sake of sensationalism
After Soma Cruz thing I wouldn't call Belmont=Dracula thing - sensationalism.

If magical schoolboy being Dracula and Japanese priests sealing castle in solar eclipse are not sloppy storytelling, I don't know what it is... 8)
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Post by: Nagumo on December 01, 2012, 05:07:50 PM

If magical schoolboy being Dracula and Japanese priests sealing castle in solar eclipse are not sloppy storytelling, I don't know what it is... 8)

what
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 01, 2012, 07:41:41 PM
After Soma Cruz thing I wouldn't call Belmont=Dracula thing - sensationalism.

If magical schoolboy being Dracula and Japanese priests sealing castle in solar eclipse are not sloppy storytelling, I don't know what it is... 8)
I don't think that as a bare concept is inately bad. I mean, Dracula could be reborn as ANYBODY, and when he was, he would be "christened" into modern society/pop culture. He'd grow up and attend school as a "schoolboy". That's logical. The Japanese thing, just another nod at the multi-cultural aspects of the Castlevania series. Dracula's rule was dominant over the dark entities of ALL different cultures and mythology, so it's only natural that other cultures(outside of Europe) could feel threatened by Dracula's power, especially during the Demon Castle War. And of course, the Japanese have their own rich mysticism. Now I don't think Hakuba(Mina's father) did it alone(it was likely a combined effort of whomever was there, to weaken the Castle/Dracula to the point that it could be sealed away), but I never wrote off the whole mutli-cultural mysticism thing. I think it's actually more interesting than keeping things STRICTLY European.

I find that funny, in a way. The Japanese, for being really culturally proud of their history, when they make stories(anime, games, manga), they have no hesitation in pulling from many different cultural mythologies. The result is the creation of worlds that are almost a sort of ethnic/cultural melange, a mixture of both East and West as one. You rarely see that with Western stories or games. It DOES happen every now and then. Star Wars is pretty much a mixture of multi-cultural ideas. But in general, the stark contrast between an European-type setting and "non-European" is pretty big. Maybe it has a lot to do with Western "logic". You don't see too much highly flamboyant or imaginative fantasy from the West because more "grounded" and realistic fantasy(I always laugh at those two words being used side-by-side" are the more acceptable forms of the genre. The West, the motto seems to be, "That which is feasible is correct!", while Japan's motto seems to be, "Anything imaginable can exist as you say it to be!". :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Tanatra on December 01, 2012, 08:35:20 PM
I find that funny, in a way. The Japanese, for being really culturally proud of their history, when they make stories(anime, games, manga), they have no hesitation in pulling from many different cultural mythologies. The result is the creation of worlds that are almost a sort of ethnic/cultural melange,

I think one of the most blatant examples of this is the Gerudo from the Legend of Zelda series (well, OoT, since they only really appeared in that one game.) I mean, their theme is very Latin-inspired, the Gerudo Fortress is quite similar to a Pueblo cliff dwelling, their symbol (before being retconned) was actual Islamic imagery, the women themselves would have been right at home in Medieval Baghdad, and the Spirit Temple looks like something out of Ancient Egypt.

Anywho, back on topic, I find it hilarious that the music in the trailer may have been inspired by a track from SCVIV, yet people still insist on discussing Alucard's reflection.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on December 01, 2012, 08:50:05 PM
There are Gerudo descendants in Four Swords Adventures.  RANDOM GEEK FACT!
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Post by: Sumac on December 02, 2012, 08:02:35 AM
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I don't think that as a bare concept is inately bad. I mean, Dracula could be reborn as ANYBODY, and when he was, he would be "christened" into modern society/pop culture. He'd grow up and attend school as a "schoolboy". The Japanese thing, just another nod at the multi-cultural aspects of the Castlevania series.
The concept itself is not bad, though the whole deal with "castle being sealed in solar eclipse" is beyond ridicolous, but whatever. My main gripe is how it was done - in most cliche way possible out of'em all. AOS stopped being rather dark and gloomy Castlevania and was more like generic anime, that somehow was tied with legendary series. Remove Juste Belmont from the picture or call him another name and what's from Castlevania would be there? Not much really, just multiple anime cliches and "metroidvania" gameplay.

As for multicultural aspect of Castlevania - the core of the series was based on mix of eupropean and ancient mythos. There were some references to the Japanese / Asian mythology, I guess, but they never dominated over the whole picture. Or at least they didn't dictated direction of the storyline. AOS lose balance, that was before and ended as strange mess, not exactly Castlevania and not something completely alien, IMO.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on December 02, 2012, 08:54:02 AM
You proooobably mean "Julius" not "Juste".

Yeah the "Use Magic and Cosmic Phenomena to Seal Evil" is a little bit weird.... but not so far-fetched weird since it's Castlevania, which brought us anachronistic clothing, improbable weaponry, time travel, holy chromosones, and monster mashes.  DoS did make it seem 'lighter and softer' than the usual games, though.  And then PoR cranked that up to 11.
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Post by: VladCT on December 02, 2012, 09:13:55 AM
DoS did make it seem 'lighter and softer' than the usual games, though.  And then PoR cranked that up to 11.
Of course, back then they were shifting the target demographic to the NDS' natural demographic...not that it did them any good.
Oh well, at least we got to play a large-scale CV3 homage in one game and smack Richter with cream pies in the other...and stop a train with your bare hands.
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Post by: Sumac on December 02, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
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You proooobably mean "Julius" not "Juste".
Ah, yes, sorry.  ;D
My main gripe is not with sealing, but how it (and another AOS / DOS stuff) was suddenly brought in the story.

Nice to see how people accepting another point of view.  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on December 03, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Here's some good news:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKrWEp.png&hash=5de9e6d48a3cedc9d965a8b9224155d4)

I think it's coming. It would be great for completionists.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 03, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
pfff Konami?

 Doing something generous?

In the year of our lord 2012!?

Yeah right.

Double dipping if true.
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Post by: uzo on December 03, 2012, 05:08:31 PM
Actual HD, and 60fps? Sign me up. I'd say its worth a re-buy on PC for me, even if just to gawk at the glorious environments without frame drops and in actual HD.
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Post by: Flame on December 03, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
pfff Konami?

 Doing something generous?

In the year of our lord 2012!?

Yeah right.

Double dipping if true.
Well it *IS* the end of the world, after all.
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Post by: Munchy on December 03, 2012, 11:55:25 PM
Actual HD, and 60fps? Sign me up. I'd say its worth a re-buy on PC for me, even if just to gawk at the glorious environments without frame drops and in actual HD.

Ditto. There were just a few, few spots where the framerate would somehow stutter upwards to something much higher than the game's norm, and it would look fucking AMAZING for about two seconds.

Oh man... having all of the game look like that... I don't know if I could take it.
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 04, 2012, 06:23:22 AM
Mmmh, a re-release on PC of LoS1? I'm all in.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on December 04, 2012, 08:42:01 AM
Just got done listening to this

Castlevania: Lords Of Shadow 2 OST - The Dragon Returns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqGi9QS68aU#ws)

I'm sorry, but this isn't Castlevania music. This sounds like it was ripped straight from The Dark Knight soundtrack. This has absolutely no identity and no soul. I am not okay with this at all. After 23+ years of awesome Castlevania music that we all grew up with, this is a travesty.
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Post by: A-Yty on December 04, 2012, 08:49:51 AM
It's either generic epicness or epic genericness. I can't decide. Either way, ditto.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 04, 2012, 09:03:59 AM
It's either generic epicness or epic genericness. I can't decide. Either way, ditto.

HOLD UP!


How did you change your name?




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Post by: A-Yty on December 04, 2012, 09:07:50 AM
I have a special user status as a reward for my 11 years of awesome posting. I can also change the color of my username.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 04, 2012, 09:24:24 AM
Dem ancient member privilages.

Anyway on the subject of the music, not shocked at all with the direction of the soundtrack. I just hope it more variety and that it doesn't repeat over and over again like it did in LOS1. And considering that this is a non linear game, that could be a big issue if it's like that again.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on December 04, 2012, 12:19:54 PM
I don't think this style of music suits Castlevania at all but perhaps I wouldn't have been so bad if LoS didn't fail at executing its bombastic score.

Somebody please call Hitoshi Sakimoto.   

Final Fantasy XII - Opening Movie (Theme Of Final Fantasy XII) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ7YS6MQl2M#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Sumac on December 04, 2012, 01:35:30 PM
Yeah, reminds me about the music from the Dark Knight, though it still have presence of Castlevaniash spirit in places, I think. Even, if it's not catchy tune from like in the games of old, I think this music exactly what should be used for the LOS reboot.
CV64 wasn't using usual CV music either and it was fitting the game to a "T".  :)
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Post by: beingthehero on December 04, 2012, 01:40:03 PM
Somebody please call Hitoshi Sakimoto.   

Or Yuzo Koshiro.
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Post by: sannyclause on December 04, 2012, 02:30:45 PM
HO HO HO that song kicks *** its like hans zimmerman and john carpenter had a baby and produced epicness, whoever made this soundtrack is gonna have a merry christmas  :)
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Post by: crisis on December 04, 2012, 02:51:29 PM
All I am say, is that the track fits well within the Lords of Shadow series
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Post by: Tanatra on December 04, 2012, 03:49:34 PM
Back around Halloween I was playing SCVIV and during the fight with Dracula, the background music reminded me very much of the music playing in the LoS2 trailer. I've already mentioned this, but seeing as the current discussion is about the trailer music of LoS2, perhaps people will actually acknowledge my post this time:

http://www.chapelofresonance.com/media/ost/super-castlevania-iv/24-dracula-battle-bgm.mp3 (http://www.chapelofresonance.com/media/ost/super-castlevania-iv/24-dracula-battle-bgm.mp3)

Note the string instruments. Are the similarities subtle? Definitely, but I didn't have to strain to hear them like I did with the music in LoS that was supposedly inspired by other Castlevania tracks, like "The Waterfalls of Agartha."
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Post by: Sindra on December 04, 2012, 04:13:26 PM
Or Yuzo Koshiro.

I'll be sure to bring up your nomination of him when I see him at MAGfest with Kuniyo Yamashita. I'm sure he'll be flattered.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on December 04, 2012, 04:14:26 PM
Hitoshi Sakimoto can make a tune as simple as the boss tune from Gradius:
Gradius (NES) Music - Boss Aircraft Carrier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShwpK9q8Nfk#)

And make a super arrangement like this:
Gradius V Aircraft Carrier Original Sound Track ( HD ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDbGrpBZ2WM#ws)

Therefore, he would be optimal. ;)
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Post by: Kingshango on December 04, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
All I am say, is that the track fits well within the Lords of Shadow series

That is the best way to put it without going into a drawn out arguement that's been beaten to a pulp.
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Post by: Inccubus on December 04, 2012, 04:52:49 PM
Back around Halloween I was playing SCVIV and during the fight with Dracula, the background music reminded me very much of the music playing in the LoS2 trailer. I've already mentioned this, but seeing as the current discussion is about the trailer music of LoS2, perhaps people will actually acknowledge my post this time:

http://www.chapelofresonance.com/media/ost/super-castlevania-iv/24-dracula-battle-bgm.mp3 (http://www.chapelofresonance.com/media/ost/super-castlevania-iv/24-dracula-battle-bgm.mp3)

Note the string instruments. Are the similarities subtle? Definitely, but I didn't have to strain to hear them like I did with the music in LoS that was supposedly inspired by other Castlevania tracks, like "The Waterfalls of Agartha."

I still don't hear it. There's like 3 or 4 notes near the end that sound like they *might* be an homage to SCV4, but the ending theme, not either of the songs during the fight with drac. It kinda also sounds like the Waterfalls of Agarta.  So either he's doing another homage to the same song from SCV4, he's homaging his own remix, or it's coincidence.

I still think this drivel they've decided to use for LoS is bland even for Hollywood fare. It's ok if I'm watching the game, but not to play with. Even the Van Helsing soundtrack would be better than this for background music.

That's pretty much my opinion.
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Post by: Rugal on December 04, 2012, 08:06:29 PM
Digging and trying to find any sign of Castlevania in that music.. Truly remarkable.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 05, 2012, 06:47:33 AM
Dave Cox's new twitter profile picture. I wonder who could that be... -_-
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Post by: sannyclause on December 05, 2012, 06:50:11 AM
Dave Cox's new twitter profile picture. I wonder who could that be... -_-
HO HO HO alucard most likely  :)
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Post by: Kingshango on December 05, 2012, 07:23:58 AM
Dave Cox's new twitter profile picture. I wonder who could that be... -_-

It's Trevor after his very radical plastic surgery by Dracula. :P
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 05, 2012, 07:33:03 AM
According to Cox, it's from the front cover.
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 05, 2012, 07:59:40 AM
Dave Cox's new twitter profile picture. I wonder who could that be... -_-
SO Trevor
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Post by: uzo on December 05, 2012, 08:58:40 AM
I still don't hear it. There's like 3 or 4 notes near the end that sound like they *might* be an homage to SCV4

That seems to be all that Oscar Araujo is ever willing to put in to an arrangement, given all the examples from his work on the first game's sound track.
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Post by: Sumac on December 05, 2012, 09:35:36 AM
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Digging and trying to find any sign of Castlevania in that music.. Truly remarkable.
And surprisingly they found it!  ;)
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Post by: Nagumo on December 05, 2012, 12:31:46 PM
And surprisingly they found it!  ;)

Yes, anywhere but near the LoS soundtrack.   
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Post by: RichterB on December 05, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
Ah, yes, sorry.  ;D
My main gripe is not with sealing, but how it (and another AOS / DOS stuff) was suddenly brought in the story.

Nice to see how people accepting another point of view.  ;)

I'm late to get back, but I see your point. I thought that the demographic focus change and/or jokes went a bit too far in DoS and PoR. AoS, as bizarre as it seems on the surface, is executed largely in a way that elicits intrigue and a sense of ominous, impending danger from a mysterious castle and the search for a new Dracula. As a stand-alone piece, with its international mysticism that works within the series' blending of ideas, it's not so bad. I recall it being the last Metroidvania I enjoyed from beginning to end the first time through (albeit, I skipped OoE out of fatigue with IGA and the Metroidvania style; heck, I even waited a few years to even play DoS and PoR).

As for my "sensationalism" comment on LoS. It was just the bombastic nature of the game. It wanted to prove how much better and "hardcore" it was than IGA's recent entries*, which meant it was going to have serious Hollywood orchestral pieces with little to do with CV's musical cues, Patrick Stewart narrating ad-nauseum about how Gabriel was changing and how clever he, Stewart, was (poor Gabriel, muhahaha!). It was a lot of tell, and not a lot of in-game show. The gameplay segments were all cut up into different genres to be sure to touch on all of the popular games of the current era, including massive giants you have to scale and a history of an ancient race using giant robot-ish weapons as an aside that seemed unnecessary. There were all of these name drops and homages that didn't go anywhere, like Rinaldo being near. And in the end, Belmont is so tough, he doesn't fight Dracula; no, he fights and defeats the devil himself?!?!! And then, secret Kojima-style future ending. It was trying to be this big production, but it felt scattered-brained as it scrambled to say, I'm the Castlevania with so much gravitas. I didn't really feel much emotion from it, and the fact that they focused on trying to force a hollow emotion on me with some "epic" story rather than zeroing in on all the gameplay elements that would be best for reviving CV in 3D bugged me. It wasn't like the Reinhardt and Rosa tale of Castlevania 64, which was woven into the gameplay more and was subtle to drive the gameplay without distracting from it for long periods of time. (The first LoS2 Spike trailer from a while back was concerning enough in how it portrayed a Helm's Deep LoR "epic" super-powered clash).
 
*I'm not saying I was happy with IGA. With CoD, it was clear I was VERY unhappy. But this Hollywood-ization sensationalist junk was just as harmful in a different way. (For Pete's sake, the story was very reminiscent of IGA's LoI, which a lot of people decry, so why is it any more serious and mature? For me, it wasn't even as intriguing or touching of a tale as LoI, which had historical grounding and the tragedy of Rinaldo built into the game's structure. Leon had the more compelling hero's journey for me, as well. Not saying it's perfect, but to say LoS was a big improvement over IGA's LoI in storytelling or tone is a stretch). Keep in mind that I don't think LoS was a horrible game--it had its fun points and was beautiful-looking--but it was a huge missed opportunity in solidifying this CV franchise in 3D for the current age as anything other than an also-ran curiosity. (In that regard, it didn't do much different than LoI in terms of a combo-centric, fixed camera affair; it was more LoI than SCIV, which Cox claimed). The obsession with combos and super powers rather than tight, strategic action-platforming is one of the clearest examples of that. And that's all I have to say. That's as clear as I can explain it at the moment. Now...let's see that new trailer Friday!


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Post by: Dremn on December 05, 2012, 03:40:05 PM
So who's ready for a short 1-2 minute snippet of gameplay this friday?

We still haven't seen a lot from Mirror of Fate, I'm surprised they're showing LoS2 this early.
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Post by: Sumac on December 05, 2012, 03:45:49 PM
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Yes, anywhere but near the LoS soundtrack.   
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As for my "sensationalism" comment on LoS. It was just the bombastic nature of the game.

Well, eveyrone have their own opinion on the matter.  ;)
After having so much "metroidvanias" I really craved for something different. LOS delivered. Such things help to put things into perspective and see what was wrong and was right in the past and what should avoided in the future.
I am not saying all Castlevanias should be like LOS...no, far from it. But such experiments really fun (well for some people) and good way to refresh series after a stale period.
Besides, I think after LOS, Castlevania will jump from one hands to another, until it will finally lose all appeal and quitely die on some pads and smartphones.

What series needs, more than reboot or return to the past, is some strong leader-figure, who will care about it and it will put series into new and solid direction for the next few years. Kind of like, what IGA was, but with better grounding in reality and with less bizzare ideas. And team of talented writers at hand, of course.
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Post by: crisis on December 05, 2012, 03:52:47 PM
HOHOHO we need more games like Adventure ReBirth which was way more refreshing & true to the formula

Vampire Killer (Music Box) - Castlevania Lords of Shadow BEST QUALITY + MP3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsqPtD048to#ws)
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Post by: Kingshango on December 05, 2012, 05:40:45 PM
So who's ready for a short 1-2 minute snippet of gameplay this friday?

We still haven't seen a lot from Mirror of Fate, I'm surprised they're showing LoS2 this early.

Im sure there'll be an extended trailer afterwards.

And im actually glad they're showing it off now rather than waiting till the next big gaming convention in a year or so. The waiting would have made me go insane and I've already gotten over one long delayed game.
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Post by: RichterB on December 05, 2012, 07:25:04 PM

Well, eveyrone have their own opinion on the matter.  ;)
After having so much "metroidvanias" I really craved for something different. LOS delivered. Such things help to put things into perspective and see what was wrong and was right in the past and what should avoided in the future.
I am not saying all Castlevanias should be like LOS...no, far from it. But such experiments really fun (well for some people) and good way to refresh series after a stale period.
Besides, I think after LOS, Castlevania will jump from one hands to another, until it will finally lose all appeal and quitely die on some pads and smartphones.

What series needs, more than reboot or return to the past, is some strong leader-figure, who will care about it and it will put series into new and solid direction for the next few years. Kind of like, what IGA was, but with better grounding in reality and with less bizzare ideas. And team of talented writers at hand, of course.

Sumac, I definitely can relate to craving something else after so many Metroidvanias. I had hoped the change would happen even sooner than it did, so I was interested in the possibility of a new direction that, in the process, returned more to the bare bones/roots of the franchise, as Cox seemed to promise over and over during development. And I will admit, when Lords of Shadow was first teased as a new IP, separate from Castlevania, I was thinking it was disappointing that Konami wouldn't put this effort into Castlevania itself. (IGA's mysterious teaser with a 3D Alucard didn't seem to guarantee anything, especially after what happened from LoI to CoD, which, in my opinion, concluded in a net value step backward). But from the very first trailer reveal of LoS as a Castlevania reboot, I was left with mixed feelings from some of the art direction/story/gameplay choices, even though I loved the idea of a next-gen Castlevania where the whip would have multiple functions. The final product left me disillusioned; I liked it casually as a game, in the same way I might feel about God of War, but neither are particularly my cup of tea that really moves me. It didn't have that "Castlevania" punch to it for me that I'd been hoping a switch from IGA might bring.

I think a new concerted effort, post-Cox/MS games is comforting, and I hope it results in a product that pushes all the right buttons. That's hard to do with a franchise that has split in so many ways, though. For instance, the stories of LoS2 being more like SotN creates a dilemma, as it brings me right back to the problem I (and maybe you) had in the beginning, that we were tired of that direction. And for me, it presumably ties that style of gameplay with the gameplay and story elements of LoS, which were suspect for me.

HOHOHO we need more games like Adventure ReBirth which was way more refreshing & true to the formula

Vampire Killer (Music Box) - Castlevania Lords of Shadow BEST QUALITY + MP3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsqPtD048to#ws)

Adventure ReBirth served as a stopgap of the misconception that SotN/Metroidvania has to inform all future Castlevania titles in its basic structure. Rather than DXC, it featured entirely new content in the original style of Castlevania, while adding a strategic use of keys/paths/health items on various difficulty levels with different stage layouts, along with an option motion control option and Classic control option for additional replay value. It also celebrated the rich and even obscure history of Castlevania music, and featured enemies that both celebrated and built off of the Castlevania lore, like the Jekyll and Hyde-like Level 2 Boss. It had its limitations, and room for improvement, but brought back a key focus on strategic action-platforming and enemy placement for the first time in many, many years that was the first definition of Castlevania.

As for LoS' Vampire Killer Music Box, that was like throwing a candy cane to a person ravenous for a full meal, and deprived of full meal for years upon years (when you combine the idea of a big-budget soundtrack with a big-budget Castlevania).

Anyway, who here thinks the Friday trailer will add a classic song and/or a classic location (opening hallway?) to try and sell this to those of us who didn't find LoS "Castlevania enough." I just hope they realize a shout out like that won't be enough.

But at the end of the day, MS is going to make Castlevania as they see it, Castlevania or not. Which is why there is the questionable inclusion of heavy combo-fighting in a backtracking-centric Metroidvania structure for MoF; the net result will be a lot of padding, IMO, smacking one enemy for a long time just to get back to the previously locked area. It just seems counter-intuitive to two formulas I already dislike.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 05, 2012, 07:48:44 PM
 If anyone is expecting Lords of Shadow 2 as the perfect 3D Castlevania, they're setting themselves up for a big, BIG, BIG disappointment.

I just want Lords of Shadow 2 to be a better game in the end. As long as it's better than Lords of Shadow, then it's alright with me.
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 05, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
Cox hinted a new trailer for LoS2 will be shown, not only gameplay.
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Post by: Sumac on December 06, 2012, 08:10:46 AM
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Sumac, I definitely can relate to craving something else after so many Metroidvanias.
I understand this. It's not that I will like anything labeled Castlevania, my reviews are prove of that, but LOS was closer to the Castlevania style, that I personally like, than games before it.

And in previous post I just told my desires, when it comes to the series and proposed something necessary for the series. It wasn't insulting anyone, but some people reacted like that...Stop being so nervous people - you will have too many wrinkles, if you go like this.  ;D
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Post by: sannyclause on December 06, 2012, 09:23:10 AM
HO HO HO only one more day guys  :)
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on December 06, 2012, 10:46:09 AM
@Sumac: Yeah.... no, you should think about what the people's reactions to your post is PRIOR to posting.  Not post it and say "Whoa calm down people I'm just sayin', don't get worked up."   That doesn't really help.

And you were doing so well, too...
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Post by: Flame on December 06, 2012, 12:21:12 PM
Dave Cox's new twitter profile picture. I wonder who could that be... -_-

ITSPIKACHU

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the story was very reminiscent of IGA's LoI, which a lot of people decry, so why is it any more serious and mature?
well for one, we actually get to know the character that becomes Dracula. He isn't just a 2 dimensional footnote in the manual of the game who shows up for a few minutes before the final boss and then leaves after a grand speech about his woes and miseries and how he curses God for shit.
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Post by: Rugal on December 06, 2012, 02:25:20 PM
Probably not  gonna get this game until it hits the bargain bin 2 weeks after it comes out. First Castlevania game that won't get a day 1 purchase from me. Also, I wonder if Sean Connery is going to reprise his roll as "Death".
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Post by: A-Yty on December 06, 2012, 03:23:29 PM
Shatan'sh acolytesh are readying for hish imminent return.
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Post by: Sumac on December 06, 2012, 04:11:55 PM
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@Sumac: Yeah.... no, you should think about what the people's reactions to your post is PRIOR to posting.  Not post it and say "Whoa calm down people I'm just sayin', don't get worked up."   That doesn't really help.
And you were doing so well, too...
I am still doing well. I am not attacking or insulting anyone. If some people can't accept normally even simple another opinion...well, then I don't think anything gonna help those people.
I will stop complain about it, since it's rather useless and seemingly serves as mere attraction for those poor souls.  ???
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Post by: VladCT on December 06, 2012, 04:57:54 PM
Thing is, the wording in your posts imply quite a bit of a lack of respect and empathy towards others. If first-timers were to look at your posts, they would think that you think only your feelings matter.
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Post by: Munchy on December 06, 2012, 05:13:24 PM
Somebody please call Hitoshi Sakimoto.   

FUCK YES.

I don't mind classical music at all, but I wish LoS had had some attempt to make it sound horrific. Like mah boi Stravinsky.

Stravinsky: Requiem Canticles (1966) - Part 1/2 [Mvmnts I-V] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668QWMK-maQ#)
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Post by: crisis on December 06, 2012, 05:20:19 PM
HOHOHO that theme woulda been perfect for when Gabriel was being attacked by those vampires in the castle (the part where you have to whip the curtains to reveal the sunlight)
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Post by: RichterB on December 06, 2012, 10:40:56 PM
well for one, we actually get to know the character that becomes Dracula. He isn't just a 2 dimensional footnote in the manual of the game who shows up for a few minutes before the final boss and then leaves after a grand speech about his woes and miseries and how he curses God for shit.

With all due respect, personally, I didn't get to know him any better than Mathias, who was in the opening narration besides the booklet and ending. Patrick Stewart told us almost everything about Gabriel through narration, as well (poor, poor Gabriel, etc, etc). His relationship with his wife wasn't any better established. All I saw was a vengeful dude who thought he was being a hero, and then decided to be Dracula. With LoI, the Belmont clan was established through Leon, whom we really saw develop from a impulsive and naive knight who thought he could tackle any foe (used to having Mathias cover him with his tactics), to someone who sees his limitations and pledges to overcome them with the help of, and for the additional sake of, Rinaldo. He rescues his wife only to see her turned into a vampire and then sacrificed to fight the evil that has cursed them all. As I'll mention in a minute, this served the dual purpose of establishing Dracula, too, through another's eyes.

The parallel of losing his wife as Mathias lost his, and yet refusing to join his friend in his grief and revenge establishes the Dracula/Belmont rivalry pretty well in the social-historical background of the Crusades and pseudo-science/magic of alchemy, even if unconventionally, whereas the unconventional stories about the Lords of Shadow and the devil and the Brotherhood of Light in a unclear fantasy timeframe all seem like an origin story for something other than Dracula or Castlevania. LoI's story establishes Dracula's origin character as a man who not only served and was betrayed by what he felt was a holy cause, but had the background of a commander and a dabbling magician/alchemist, which fit into what we've seen with the Castelvania world's Dracula over the years in-game and in text prologues. In this indirect manner, through a Belmont's eyes, it established a Dracula better than Gabriel's Dracula, who has an abrupt turn after you've played him pretty clearly as a hero throughout the game. A tortured, manipulated hero (manipulated by some kind of mask no less), but a hero all the same. The turn to the Dark Side doesn't hit me right.

LoI just worked as a better "Castlevania" origin story for me. By the end of the in-game LoS (pre-DLC) we don't even have a full turn to Dracula or the impending conflict, except a bizarre future scenario where Dracula is going to fight the devil. Additionally, from a Castlevania standpoint, LoI helped serve up some origins for the weapons hidden around the castle from fallen adventurers and the villain's "game," established Medusa, and had some characters of interest such as Joachim and Rinaldo. Rinaldo in of himself, and how his daughter's tragedy fit into the story, was more compelling than any narrative element of LoS. But I'm rambling now.

Those are just my thoughts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but all I'm saying is I don't think it's as clear-cut as people make it out to be. And we can all talk about how IGA's stories tended to have some "emo" in them, but LoS is incredibly angsty and melodramatic, and not in a sympathetic, endearing way. Particularly with what they've been trying to sell in MoF's newer trailer.

Plus, LoS is missing that moment of triumph: "I'll hunt you and the night!" ;D

Well, how about that new LoS2 trailer soon...
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on December 07, 2012, 03:42:24 AM
how many hours left until the show start ?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 07, 2012, 07:36:12 AM
Those are just my thoughts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but all I'm saying is I don't think it's as clear-cut as people make it out to be. And we can all talk about how IGA's stories tended to have some "emo" in them, but LoS is incredibly angsty and melodramatic, and not in a sympathetic, endearing way. Particularly with what they've been trying to sell in MoF's newer trailer.
I think that's kinda true. Sometimes it seems like the whole Vanilla Ice thing trying to justify how Ice Ice Baby's beat is different than Queen's Under Pressure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s0hEi8zhmg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s0hEi8zhmg)
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Post by: A-Yty on December 07, 2012, 08:36:47 AM
Why does Vanilla Ice get taken down for sampling that when lots of other, bigger performers do the same thing (or worse)?

Madonna - Hung Up [Confessions On a Dance Floor Album] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEwxvQe5LHY#ws)
Abba - Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEjLoHdbVeE#)

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Post by: Sumac on December 07, 2012, 09:54:24 AM
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Thing is, the wording in your posts imply quite a bit of a lack of respect and empathy towards others.
I respect people who deserved respect in my opinion. Generally, I treat people indifferently,  without any malice.
As for empathy: we all live in the real world and it should be obvious, that people have different opinion on the things. And if someones opinion doesn't go along with yours, it is not a reason to boil from rage or hate one who stated different opinion. Besides, I don't see how personal opinion about movie / song / game can deeply hurt someone's feelings. Empathy and everything is good, but there is fine line between empathy and overblown tolerance.
Mature person should accept, that someone have different opinion and move on. There is no reason to be at each other necks because we see things differently.
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 10:09:29 AM
Hey guys here is something

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oscar debardeleben‏@the_odizzle

@CastlevaniaLOS In LOS2 will we be able to brutally eradicate Gabriel's self righteous descendants on a grand scale #slaughter
 


Dave Cox‏@CastlevaniaLOS

@the_odizzle - You will go head to head with a new Belmont...how brutal you are is up to you :)
 

So a whole new belmont altogethter?
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Post by: flyingchai on December 07, 2012, 10:31:08 AM
Hey guys here is something

So a whole new belmont altogethter?

I'm betting on a badass female Belmont NOT named Sonia.
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Post by: crisis on December 07, 2012, 10:38:59 AM
HOHOHO i'm betting on an amalgam of Richter & Maxim, just because
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Post by: uzo on December 07, 2012, 10:50:43 AM
I'm betting on a badass female Belmont NOT named Sonia.

So far as women have been depicted in the LoS universe, she will end up accompanying Sypha in Trevor's kitchen, as exemplified by the Story Trailer for Mirror of Fate. Alverez and Cox will only let them be badass at baking cake and mopping floors (or getting murdered).
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Post by: Nagumo on December 07, 2012, 11:22:37 AM
Sumac, when looking at how you act all the time in regards to other people's opinions, I don't think you deserve to tell people what is and what isn't mature.
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Post by: Melanicus on December 07, 2012, 11:46:35 AM
Given that I'm sure part of LoS 2 will deal with what happens after LoS's epilogue, and the epilogue's modern day setting, I'd put my money on Julius.
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Post by: Sumac on December 07, 2012, 12:25:05 PM
So, in LOS2 you play as Dracula and kill Belmonts? Nice.  ;D

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Sumac, when looking at how you act all the time in regards to other people's opinions, I don't think you deserve to tell people what is and what isn't mature.
I at least I am not creating downvoting campains.  :D
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Post by: uzo on December 07, 2012, 12:49:42 PM
I at least I am not creating downvoting campains.  :D

You must have missed the part where it was all self inflicted.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on December 07, 2012, 01:14:45 PM
"I don't know you, therefore your opinion is worthless to me and I will treat you with the disdain of roadkill on a major highway.  But I mean no disrespect, that's just the way you are.  You can either take the disdain and like it, or voice your opinion about it, in which case, refer to this first sentence."
...
"WHY AM I GETTING DOWNVOTED?  I DON'T UNDERSTAND!"

Which is why I still say you haven't learned.  People don't owe you their respect when you don't start having any for them in the first place.  And the world does not work that way.  In the real world, you have a default level of respect and acceptance for people, which then diminishes or is augmented depending on your interactions with them.  It's not "I have zero respect for strangers until they earn it", which is what is emanating from the implication of your posts.

The fact that you haven't gotten that through your head in the months since it was brought up to your attention leads me to believe there's some kind of disconnect, here.

I'm saddened that we're doing this song and dance again.

----

Back on topic, Sypha's role is greatly diminished, which is too bad.  There was potential to have her as more than just 'random wife'.  Then again, there's a tiny glimmer of hope from me ('cuz I'm a hopeful gamer fan, haha) that there'll be some DLC with her having a more prominent role... but even this, might be like the afterthought "Richter/Maxim/Joachim" modes.  If it even does happen.  Still, cool trailer!
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Post by: Nagumo on December 07, 2012, 01:53:25 PM
I at least I am not creating downvoting campains.  :D
 

I'm flattered by what you're implying but I think you give me too much credit.
 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on December 07, 2012, 02:18:45 PM
Killing Belmonts?

I don't know how to feel about this...?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: sannyclause on December 07, 2012, 03:04:10 PM
HO HO HO i think its awsome, a fresh break from just killing monsters  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on December 07, 2012, 03:07:36 PM
The Belmonts needs to be playable too. Something akin to Julius Mode on this game would be great.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on December 07, 2012, 03:11:05 PM
The Belmonts needs to be playable too. Something akin to Julius Mode on this game would be great.

Knowing Konami, It'll no doubt be DLC.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 03:15:21 PM
I'd hate killing Julius/new Belmont, also Alucard :(
Can we especulate on story?

I think Dracul makes Trevor Alucard as a punishing him to feel the same he did (Killing Sypha and stuff, because she dies, and that's too bad) but he ends up being good. He Kills Simon, too, because fuck him, but Simon could seal him by some years (100?). Then he awakens without control over his castle and the events of the trailer happen. Then he kills Alucard and goes to exile. Then in 2012 a new Belmont rises against him, but he kills him anyway, but the feels remorse so becomes good because of Satan.

As sad as that sounded, at this point of melodrama feels very plausible :not a fan of the new kill-everyone-to-feel-emotional- direction of the story:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 07, 2012, 04:54:16 PM
Sumac, when looking at how you act all the time in regards to other people's opinions, I don't think you deserve to tell people what is and what isn't mature.
Sometimes you come across these "Do as I say, not as I do" type people who, despite being extremely quick to correct another person's opinion or protect their own as if it was law, have no real qualms in telling others that they should be mature enough not to get worked up over these actions, nor take them to heart. Of course, like I said, they could do it all they want, and even believe themselves to be justified in doing so. "It's wrong when OTHER people do it, but when I do it, you'd be mature to just deal with everything I do, and if you give into telling me otherwise, you aren't!".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 07, 2012, 06:06:57 PM
Im taking the bullet for you guys and watching this bullshit. Although I do enjoy a good trainwreck every now and then.

Will let you know when the trailer pops up.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 06:11:05 PM
I'm so HYPE  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:19:12 PM
Im taking the bullet for you guys and watching this bullshit. Although I do enjoy a good trainwreck every now and then.

Will let you know when the trailer pops up.

Really think your the only one just saw something called the phantom something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on December 07, 2012, 06:20:32 PM
I caved in and I'm watching too.

Ugh, what time does Castlevania come on?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:21:51 PM
I caved in and I'm watching too.

Ugh, what time does Castlevania come on?

Something tells me toward the end IIRC jack black is coming on and some music thing then I think bioshock and something else.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Metallus Duende on December 07, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
yup, even i, stalker extraordinaire i'm here....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:26:51 PM
watching an orchestra right now

Edit
up next the last of us and castlevania lords of shadow 2 it's time guys
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 06:30:19 PM
OMG it's coming!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:31:41 PM
OMG it's coming!

Darn straight it's coming  :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 07, 2012, 06:34:30 PM
Im getting giddy
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 07, 2012, 06:35:11 PM
I'll admit I think it will be interesting to see the Belmonts in this. Does anyone know if they're bosses or just random enemies that you fight like any other enemy?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:36:12 PM
Im getting giddy

They just talked about Robert Carlyle a second ago It coming it''s really coming  :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:37:23 PM
I'll admit I think it will be interesting to see the Belmonts in this. Does anyone know if they're bosses or just random enemies that you fight like any other enemy?

Their Belmonts,  they are not your average joes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I have kleenex besides me. Good thing about them is that they are fine for either fapping or crying. Gotta cover all fronts you know?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:40:11 PM
F&^C YES!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 06:41:08 PM
Underwhelming :/
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 07, 2012, 06:41:51 PM
Their Belmonts,  they are not your average joes.
Good point good sir
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on December 07, 2012, 06:42:05 PM
Hahaha that trailer fucking sucked complete with more music ripped directly from the Dark Knight soundtrack.

I hope this game flops completely.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on December 07, 2012, 06:42:39 PM
Well that looked pretty neat, Gabriel certainly looks different.

Really cool it does take place in modern times.

But it didn't really show any gameplay.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 06:43:33 PM
Liking graphics but.. really? MS? You wasted your spotlight like that? Hahahahah this is so sad I'm laughing :(
Quote
I hope this game flops completely.
Not in your dreams
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Oralox on December 07, 2012, 06:44:31 PM
Saw the trailer and it looked good but felt more like the Legacy of Kain series than Castlevania.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 07, 2012, 06:44:52 PM
So does this take place in the past or the future
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on December 07, 2012, 06:45:25 PM
So does this take place in the past or the future
Looks like the future.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:45:53 PM
Hahaha that trailer fucking sucked complete with more music ripped directly from the Dark Knight soundtrack.

I hope this game flops completely.

Negative much  :(

Well I hope it succeeds in every aspect and from the looks of it the boss battles and even regular battles look awesome not to mention DAT sword. The backgrounds looked incredible and the whole game has not even been show yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 07, 2012, 06:46:09 PM
So does this take place in the past or the future

Think Assasins Creed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 07, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
My jaw dropped during it. And stayed that way.

I blew a load in my pants.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 06:47:11 PM
Think Assasins Creed.
Yep, pretty much both.

I'm guessing, past= Play as Alucard killing Dracula.

PResent= Dracula killing Satan and new Belmont.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 07, 2012, 06:47:26 PM
Think Assasins Creed.

So I don't care about future Dracula at all?

;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on December 07, 2012, 06:48:11 PM
Negative much  :(

I've pretty much given up on Castlevania. Only hope now are fan games, but that is looking pretty grim right now as well.

Who wants to buy my Castlevania collection?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Metallus Duende on December 07, 2012, 06:48:51 PM
Good thing there's a replay feature in that video, also... why no actual gameplay?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:49:01 PM
Liking graphics but.. really? MS? You wasted your spotlight like that? Hahahahah this is so sad I'm laughing

Come on it was not that bad, but it was a little short could have been longer but, it's out there now  and it can only go up from here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on December 07, 2012, 06:49:08 PM
its on youtube now

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 VGA 2012 World Premiere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0A4dXWFB0Q#ws)

Gabriel says something like "I have no idea how I got here"

I guess Simon or Alucard defeated him in Mirror of Fate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 06:50:23 PM
I've pretty much given up on Castlevania. Only hope now are fan games, but that is looking pretty grim right now as well.

Who wants to buy my Castlevania collection?
So you can get out of here and youtube right? ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
I've pretty much given up on Castlevania. Only hope now are fan games, but that is looking pretty grim right now as well.

Who wants to buy my Castlevania collection?

Your kidding right? If not go ahead no one is stopping you  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 07, 2012, 06:51:40 PM
To keep it short, I liked the trailer but I wanted more.

And HOLYFUCK DARK SOULS 2!!!!! :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on December 07, 2012, 06:53:24 PM
To keep it short, I liked the trailer but I wanted more.

And HOLYFUCK DARK SOULS 2!!!!! :o

YOU'RE LYING

DARK SOULS 2? WHERE HOLY SHIT ILL HAVE AN ANEURISM
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:54:11 PM
To keep it short, I liked the trailer but I wanted more.

And HOLYFUCK DARK SOULS 2!!!!! :o

I know right!?

I wonder if it's going to take an other 100 hours for me to beat.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on December 07, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
Go figure right after I stopped watching they announced Dark Souls 2.

lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 07, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
The trailer was "underwhelming" honestly.

Was hoping to see more gameplay but instead got a majority of cutscenes that did not reveal much.

And I wish Cox and team would quit causing confusion amongst fans by having Garbriel still call himself "Dracul" even though pretty much everyone else on his team including himself calls him "Dracula" in interviews.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:56:06 PM
Go figure right after I stopped watching they announced Dark Souls 2.

lol

Recording and being able to go backwards never fails  ;)
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Post by: Black Cat on December 07, 2012, 06:56:51 PM
Loved the trailer. Shouldn't have mentioned anything about gameplay when they were advertising this though. Not surprised people are disappointed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 07, 2012, 06:57:37 PM
To keep it short, I liked the trailer but I wanted more.

And HOLYFUCK DARK SOULS 2!!!!! :o

Seeing as it's the first non-teaser reveal I'll give them a pass on length. Once MoF comes out, though, I want more
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on December 07, 2012, 06:58:35 PM
You people want a new Castlevania game? Look no further than Dark Souls 2 and the Souls series. Those games are the true future of Castlevania and not this David Cocks half assed bullshit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 06:58:58 PM
Loved the trailer. Shouldn't have mentioned anything about gameplay when they were advertising this though. Not surprised people are disappointed.

There was but just flashes so can that really count then? I love it but that was castlevanias big chance to get out there I hope it succeeded in doing this.
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Post by: sannyclause on December 07, 2012, 06:59:23 PM
HO HO HO that......kicked....ass  :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 07, 2012, 06:59:37 PM
I'm more excited for Dark Souls 2.

On topic I thought the trailer was a little weak. I guess I was expecting more.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 07, 2012, 07:00:20 PM
You people want a new Castlevania game? Look no further than Dark Souls 2 and the Souls series. Those games are the true future of Castlevania and not this David Cocks half assed bullshit.

Well this is Mercury's last castlevania.

So you won't have to deal with this for much long. ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 07, 2012, 07:00:48 PM
HO HO HO so now we know that Dracula has been in slumber for centuries, and now I assume Alucard/Belmont is responsible for that

Dracula has no memory of who he was, just REVENGE against those who wronged him

I really hope Satan isn't the final boss again

as for graphics, they look spectacular hohoho. However Dracula's facial motions at the end looked weird and could use some work, compared to other games that were shown


Dark Souls II preview looks like it caught more the Castlevania "vibe" lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 07:01:19 PM
You people want a new Castlevania game? Look no further than Dark Souls 2 and the Souls series. Those games are the true future of Castlevania and not this David Cocks half assed bullshit.
Oh come on stop it already you don't belong in here, seriously, this is the LoS2 thread you don't liked then get out of here. Damn you are annoying. Dark Souls 2 is amazing though, I'm a happy panda.

About LoS, I definetly could see gameplay in there and it looked... amazing, almost CG!

Still, that could be PC version and that's half cheating :P
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 07, 2012, 07:02:44 PM
Oh come on stop it already you don't belong in here, seriously, this is the LoS2 thread you don't liked then get out of here. Damn you are annoying. Dark Souls 2 is amazing though, I'm a happy panda.

About LoS, I definetly could see gameplay in there and it looked... amazing, almost CG!

Still, that could be PC version and that's half cheating :P

Don't let it get to you.

No need to get all worked up and cause a argument.

Just ignore him or report him to the staff if you feel he doesn't belong here.

Not a good idea to add fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 07:02:54 PM
I'm more excited for Dark Souls 2.

On topic I thought the trailer was a little weak. I guess I was expecting more.

I think we all were it was not bad, but all these months and all we get is about a minute or two but, it does pop some interesting questions like why does Gabriel not remember certain things did Simon and Alucard do something in MoF?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 07, 2012, 07:04:07 PM
HOHOHO also it looked like the first LoS2 preview we saw a while back will be playable to some extent, as opposed to 1 long cutscene

as for why Dracula can't remember anything, he's been sleeping/hibernation for centuries and amnesia caught the best of him

why didn't Julius remember anything from 1999? heh
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: whitedragon_nall on December 07, 2012, 07:05:30 PM
A bit underwhelming, but I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on December 07, 2012, 07:06:21 PM
Oh come on stop it already you don't belong in here, seriously, this is the LoS2 thread you don't liked then get out of here. Damn you are annoying. Dark Souls 2 is amazing though, I'm a happy panda.

About LoS, I definetly could see gameplay in there and it looked... amazing, almost CG!

Still, that could be PC version and that's half cheating :P

Let me tell you something, boy. I've probably been playing Castlevania since before you were even conceived. I'll say whatever the fuck I want in regards to this pitiful excuse for a Castlevania game. The fact that they showed Dark Souls 2 right after Castlevania really makes me happy.

These new Castlevania games are not Castlevania. I've said it before, but Souls games are more Castlevania these days than Castlevania is. Sorry, but that's what it is.

Anyway, out of respect for Jorge, I'll leave now. I don't want to derail things any further.

DARK SOULS 2 BITCHES
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 07, 2012, 07:09:10 PM
Just on a side note was there a trailer or pictures for Dark Souls 2 or just the announcement?
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Post by: crisis on December 07, 2012, 07:09:35 PM
H OH OH O Robert Carlyle didn't really sell the "I AM DRA-COOL!" line, kinda sounded cheesy lol, but that's just my opinion
just call yourself Dracula for Christ's sake


that youtube video really doesn't do the preview justice :/
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 07:09:50 PM
HOHOHO also it looked like the first LoS2 preview we saw a while back will be playable to some extent, as opposed to 1 long cutscene

as for why Dracula can't remember anything, he's been sleeping/hibernation for centuries and amnesia caught the best of him

why didn't Julius remember anything from 1999? heh

One hecka of a beauty sleep right?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 07, 2012, 07:11:33 PM
The leak guy was spot on saying that it looked like Darksiders and Arkham City. If I see him again I'll give him a coke.
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Post by: thernz on December 07, 2012, 07:12:15 PM
DARK SOULS 2 BITCHES
No, it looked terrible, and now my replacement for Castlevania is dead too.

Lords 2 had some gameplay, but it wasn't really enough to make a strong impression since it was mostly flashes. I guess we now know one thing: bite enemies in real-time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 07:12:49 PM
The leak guy was spot on saying that it looked like Darksiders and Arkham City. If I see him again I'll give him a coke.

So we know one thing... It's going to be awesome  :D
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Post by: e105beta on December 07, 2012, 07:13:59 PM
H OH OH O Robert Carlyle didn't really sell the "I AM DRA-COOL!" line, kinda sounded cheesy lol, but that's just my opinion
just call yourself Dracula for Christ's sake


that youtube video really doesn't do the preview justice :/

So far his MoF lines have been better.

But the again, it's one trailer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 07:16:55 PM
Yeah the "Dracol" delivery was kinda sloppy but I think they wanted to evoke memories for the infamous "Eu Sunt Dracul" line.
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 07:19:04 PM
At least Mof and LOS2 are shaping up to be great since I never played arkham city or darksiders 2 I know I have alot to lot to look foward to.
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Post by: RichterB on December 07, 2012, 07:19:51 PM
So, was that one trailer all that's coming tonight? I would think they would have wanted to show something more convincing at this stage. Something to at least assure the SotN fans, if nothing else, like transformations and exploration. Maybe they thought some sword fighting would be enough of a shock?

(PS: I've seen the Dark Souls comments on these threads for a while, and even with the Dark Souls II trailer, I don't think it screams Castlevania so much as dungeon-crawling medieval swords 'n' sorcery. It's pretty-looking, and I feel the frustration toward LoS2, but Dark Souls isn't "Castlevania" either).

(PPS: The games industry has really devolved into a hollow Hollywood wannabe. It's pretentious shock theater that perpetuates and supports a ridiculous stereotype of gaming. Watching this Spike stuff is hard to do...)
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Post by: Flame on December 07, 2012, 07:21:13 PM
You people want a new Castlevania game? Look no further than Dark Souls 2 and the Souls series. Those games are the true future of Castlevania and not this David Cocks half assed bullshit.
Let me tell you something, boy. I've probably been playing Castlevania since before you were even conceived. I'll say whatever the fuck I want in regards to this pitiful excuse for a Castlevania game. The fact that they showed Dark Souls 2 right after Castlevania really makes me happy.

These new Castlevania games are not Castlevania. I've said it before, but Souls games are more Castlevania these days than Castlevania is. Sorry, but that's what it is.

Anyway, out of respect for Jorge, I'll leave now. I don't want to derail things any further.

DARK SOULS 2 BITCHES
Stop being such an ass.

Also, Ii never understood why people think Dark Souls is like Castlevania. I just don't. It reminds me nothing of Castlevania...

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 07, 2012, 07:23:50 PM
Stop being such an ass.

Also, Ii never understood why people think Dark Souls is like Castlevania. I just don't. It reminds me nothing of Castlevania...

Yeah. I don't really see it either. I was watching my brother play it the other day. It looked pretty and all, but didn't remind me of Castlevania.
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Post by: e105beta on December 07, 2012, 07:25:03 PM
Stop being such an ass.

Also, Ii never understood why people think Dark Souls is like Castlevania. I just don't. It reminds me nothing of Castlevania...

I was starting to think I was the only one that didn't see all the Castlevania in Dark Souls

At this point I can understand gameplay complaints from some fans, but I find it hard to see how this doesn't LOOK like Castlevania
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Post by: sannyclause on December 07, 2012, 07:26:40 PM
HO HO HO it looks like we might be able to explore the city as well, cool
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 07:26:55 PM
I learned that the people saying Dark Souls is Castlevania is the people that think Castlevania is just a visual style, because DS plays nothing like CV, NOTHING. There is not even a jump button I think?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 07:27:55 PM
So, was that one trailer all that's coming tonight? I would think they would have wanted to show something more convincing at this stage. Something to at least assure the SotN fans, if nothing else, like transformations and exploration. Maybe they thought some sword fighting would be enough of a shock?

(PS: I've seen the Dark Souls comments on these threads for a while, and even with the Dark Souls II trailer, I don't think it screams Castlevania so much as dungeon-crawling medieval swords 'n' sorcery. It's pretty-looking, and I feel the frustration toward LoS2, but Dark Souls isn't "Castlevania" either).

To me DS is DS CV is CV. And I want both of them  :)
Yet I will say that ds has a very unique story it's hidden but every item has like a meaning that connects everything together I was watching one video on youtube after i beat it and it made me think about the story in a whole new way
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 07:28:30 PM
I learned that the people saying Dark Souls is castlevania is the people that think Castlevania is justa  visual style, because DS plays nothing like CV, NOTHING. There is not even a jump button I think?

Yeah there is no jump
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Yeah there is no jump
See?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 07, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
To those that are saying they don't see similarities of CV in Dark Souls, now you know how other people feel when they say they don't see similarities of CV in LoS (not saying that i'm one of them, but still)

bottom line, to each their own hohoho
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on December 07, 2012, 07:32:20 PM
Are you going to argue that not being able to climb stairs makes Lords less Castlevania?

Things stem less from mechanics, and more in the cohesive intent of a product, and that intent is going to be interpreted differently by people.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 07, 2012, 07:33:56 PM
To those that are saying they don't see similarities of CV in Dark Souls, now you know how other people feel when they say they don't see similarities of CV in LoS (not saying that i'm one of them, but still)

bottom line, to each their own hohoho

Comparison doesn't quite work, seeing as Dark Souls is a completely separate series with nothing in common with Castlevania

I mean, at the very least LoS has a chain whip and a Belmont.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 07, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
Are you going to argue that not being able to climb stairs makes Lords less Castlevania?

Things stem less from mechanics, and more in the cohesive intent of a product.

No, Lords isn't Castlevania because you can't drop through the stairs.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 07, 2012, 07:34:41 PM
Dark Souls not as much Demon's Souls yes. I recall playing Demon's Souls for the first time and I was in the Tower of Latria and I kept telling my sister how much this felt like what I thought a 3D CV should be.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 07:36:06 PM
Are you going to argue that not being able to climb stairs makes Lords less Castlevania?

Things stem less from mechanics, and more in the cohesive intent of a product, and that intent is going to be interpreted differently by people.
There were stairs, were they not??

Edit: Yep, right before Carmilla :P

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To those that are saying they don't see similarities of CV in Dark Souls, now you know how other people feel when they say they don't see similarities of CV in LoS (not saying that i'm one of them, but still)

bottom line, to each their own hohoho
I see your point but still... I dunno Castlevania has always meant action platfformer for me, destroy the platformer thing and it becomes something else entirely.
Also, CV has never had that type of methodical action.

I can understand, however, how it could evoke the "feeling" of the old Castlevanias (Gothic atosphere punishing difficuly sense of  desolation and brooding evil) but that's another beast entirely.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on December 07, 2012, 07:38:49 PM
i meant the player being a stiff brick when climbing the stairs

I see your point but still... I dunno Castlevania has always meant action platfformer for me, destroy the platformer thing and it becomes something else entirely.
Also, CV has never had that type of methodical action.
idk about that, i mean the whole point of the original castlevanias was that you were a tank with input lag and forced jump trajectories so you had to plan things.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 07, 2012, 07:40:27 PM
My stair comment was a joke.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on December 07, 2012, 07:42:05 PM
I'm a joke.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on December 07, 2012, 07:42:21 PM
Are we getting as many reactions here as previously for LoS2 and LoS1? Seems like less people are commenting on the whole.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 07:42:31 PM
i meant the player being a stiff brick when climbing the stairs
idk about that, i mean the whole point of the original castlevanias was that you were a tank with input lag and forced jump trajectories so you had to plan things.
Ok I'll give you that.  :)

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Are we getting as many reactions here as previously for LoS2 and LoS1? Seems like less people are commenting on the whole.
Not much to say that we didn't know. Nice graphics!

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 07, 2012, 07:44:47 PM
OPPAM GANGNAM STYLE
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 07:44:57 PM
How has this become a castlevania and dark souls debate?  :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Black Cat on December 07, 2012, 07:50:00 PM
That's what MS gets for not giving us a real gameplay video. :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 07:50:16 PM
OPPAM GANGNAM STYLE

What?

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 07, 2012, 07:52:41 PM
Well I know one thing, it's definitly a far cry from the Lords of Shadow unveiling. Now everything is confusing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on December 07, 2012, 07:55:23 PM
LoS 2 trailer was so underwhelming next to Dark Fucking Souls 2. LOL.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on December 07, 2012, 07:55:42 PM
How has this become a castlevania and dark souls debate?  :-\

Probably due to how little the trailer showed. It didn't particularly show how the game was going to be different than the first. At first glance, the castle areas didn't look much different, visually or structurally, than in the latter part of LoS1 from what was shown. Gameplay showed us some biting and sword play, but that's not exactly what was missing from LoS1. It seemed like there were some finishers with the sword, probably QTEs, which was a no-no the first go around. Meantime, we get the complaints from Robert Carlyle's "Dracul" (who sounds very sympathetic :P), and glimpses of a skin-and-bone Dracul, a Gabriel-looking Dracul, and a modern city area out of Infamous or DMC.

They are really putting a lot of their bets on the fact that people will be drawn in by an anti-hero Dracula who has amnesia and delusions of grandeur. Oddly enough, this game (and to a lesser extent MoF) is being sold on STORY. It doesn't make a lot of sense, especially when you're getting TV time, unless you're going after new crowds or people introduced to CV by LoS1. The CV crowds here would really want to see some evidence of Castlevania gameplay, music, monsters, level design, or something beyond the fundamental basics of what LoS was like. (Which wasn't a unifying experience for the fanbase in of itself).

Even though I think MoF is mixing contradictory gameplay styles and overdoing the melodrama, I think at first glance, it makes more of a Castlevania impression than LoS2. That said, neither of the new games has won me over.

PS: trailer's been taken down from earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 07, 2012, 07:58:20 PM
(PS: I've seen the Dark Souls comments on these threads for a while, and even with the Dark Souls II trailer, I don't think it screams Castlevania so much as dungeon-crawling medieval swords 'n' sorcery. It's pretty-looking, and I feel the frustration toward LoS2, but Dark Souls isn't "Castlevania" either).

(PPS: The games industry has really devolved into a hollow Hollywood wannabe. It's pretentious shock theater that perpetuates and supports a ridiculous stereotype of gaming. Watching this Spike stuff is hard to do...)
Visually, DS doesn't even look like CV. It would probably be more fairer a comparison to say DS is a modern interpretation of Wizards & Warriors(without the kangeroo jumping ability, which was pretty much the bulk of what you did in the W&W games, bounce and bounce and bounce everywhere).

As for the Hollywood thing, I never got the appeal. Though, as far as music is concerned, I never understood how people could generalize "epic sounding music" as being the ONLY type of Hollywood/movie-like music. If anybody has seen as much movies as I have(and that's not braggging, I'm sure all of you have), it's quite apparent that all scores vary in style. Not all bank on the same style or approach. Not all are LotR-esque, Williams-esque or Zimmer-esque. Sometimes they go for a different approach. Sometimes they DO ad a more progressive flair, or a brillaintly composed soft jazz route. Others are more rock oriented, chugging beats and electric guitar motif, and others go for more syth/eletronica, cold mechanical sounds. The point being, I see a lot of people saying that only one style is representing of the whole, when it clearly isn't, nor is it the ONLY fitting way to convey atmosphere and emotion. It HAS been said many times that the music in LoS might not have the classic CV flair, but it's the only style of music that can be used given LoS's "epic" style. IMO, maybe one of many styles that can do it justice, but the sole and proper one, puh-lease.

As for the trailer, I agree with those who fet it to be underwhelming. Gabriel Belmont's overacting(note I said Gabriel, not Robert Carlyle) at the end is laughable.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on December 07, 2012, 08:06:14 PM
even if it takes an eternity, they will pay
-gabriel bommont

If it takes an eternity, they're not going to pay, though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 08:07:19 PM
even if it takes an eternity, they will pay
-gabriel bommont

If it takes an eternity, they're not going to pay, though.
ultra loooool

Maybe he's accepting credit?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on December 07, 2012, 08:10:23 PM
Visually, DS doesn't even look like CV. It would probably be more fairer a comparison to say DS is a modern interpretation of Wizards & Warriors(without the kangeroo jumping ability, which was pretty much the bulk of what you did in the W&W games, bounce and bounce and bounce everywhere).

As for the Hollywood thing, I never got the appeal. Though, as far as music is concerned, I never understood how people could generalize "epic sounding music" as being the ONLY type of Hollywood/movie-like music. If anybody has seen as much movies as I have(and that's not braggging, I'm sure all of you have), it's quite apparent that all scores vary in style. Not all bank on the same style or approach. Not all are LotR-esque, Williams-esque or Zimmer-esque. Sometimes they go for a different approach. Sometimes they DO ad a more progressive flair, or a brillaintly composed soft jazz route. Others are more rock oriented, chugging beats and electric guitar motif, and others go for more syth/eletronica, cold mechanical sounds. The point being, I see a lot of people saying that only one style is representing of the whole, when it clearly isn't, nor is it the ONLY fitting way to convey atmosphere and emotion. It HAS been said many times that the music in LoS might not have the classic CV flair, but it's the only style of music that can be used given LoS's "epic" style. IMO, maybe one of many styles that can do it justice, but the sole and proper one, puh-lease.

I think that style of music has been used in so many of the big blockbuster Hollywood movies in recent years that it's become a generalization of "Hollywood" music, and LoS has always wanted to be on that level, trying to be a "Batman Begins" of Castlevania. Hence why that comes up. But you make a good point, and I'd like to be so brave as to add one thing. When you talked about the inclusion of rock and jazz and such, that's exactly what makes Castlevania's aural experience so critical. The kind of locations one finds themselves in during the series typically have a complementary or contrasting sound to add a disorienting and/or more organic feel. Hearing rock fusion in a dungeon in SotN is an example of the disorienting contrast, and SCIV's water ruins use jazz to bring out the organic surroundings of the flowing water. These subtle things mean a lot more to developing a mood, be it curious or creepy, than booming horns and chanting choruses. Last caveat: Castlevania has used music to match the rhythm of the game design, and the choppy and beat-em-up nature of LoS to this point means you have to sew things together with one overarching orchestra to make it seem coherent and bigger than it is; at least, that seems to be the idea.

EDIT: Did Jorge comment yet on the trailer?


Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 08:18:25 PM
Updated OP with screens and some info, still waiting for the trailer though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
Updated OP with screens and some info, still waiting for the trailer though.

beat me to it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 07, 2012, 08:26:19 PM
ohohoh the trailer was removed already? that's funny cuz i still have the youtube page open when it was first put up & i've been watching it over & over (the cache expires once i close it tho, i think) but it's shit quality compared to when it premiered on my glorious HD 1080p

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on December 07, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
Trailer

http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/brp2y4/video-game-awards-2012-vga-2012--part-3---the-last-of-us (http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/brp2y4/video-game-awards-2012-vga-2012--part-3---the-last-of-us)

frikin amazing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on December 07, 2012, 08:41:48 PM
Trailer

http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/brp2y4/video-game-awards-2012-vga-2012--part-3---the-last-of-us (http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/brp2y4/video-game-awards-2012-vga-2012--part-3---the-last-of-us)

frikin amazing.

That trailer link works (just fast-forward past Last of Us).

QUESTION: Can someone help me understand where Gabriel's coming from? He's angry he was imprisoned in sleep, and now he wants power back. But, how did he ever get so maniacally power mad to begin with? Did I miss something? It wasn't in the main game of LoS that I played. I skipped the DLC, but from what I read of it, I don't know what in it caused him to be a raving lunatic who thinks the whole world is responsible for the death of his wife and did him wrong. I mean, she even told him to let it go--that was closure right there. What's going on with this Dracula?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Oralox on December 07, 2012, 08:42:29 PM
I wonder if this will be Gabriel fighting the order, vampire hunters, angels and wizards or something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on December 07, 2012, 08:49:36 PM
Probably there'll be multiple playable characters this time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 08:50:06 PM
I wonder if this will be Gabriel fighting the order, vampire hunters, angels and wizards or something.

Maybe all, also in other news I have updated the Los2 page with some new images, will update as soon as more images come along been searching like crazy and these two are all that I came up with might remove the other since it's so small.

I don't even know where Ahasverus got those three images impressive
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on December 07, 2012, 08:52:16 PM
Neogaf. Someone captured them from the trailer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 07, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Neogaf. Someone captured them from the trailer.
Yep. I think more will come now that the trailer is avaliable.  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 07, 2012, 08:55:29 PM
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QUESTION: Can someone help me understand where Gabriel's coming from? He's angry he was imprisoned in sleep, and now he wants power back. But, how did he ever get so maniacally power mad to begin with? Did I miss something? It wasn't in the main game of LoS that I played. I skipped the DLC, but from what I read of it, I don't know what in it caused him to be a raving lunatic who thinks the whole world is responsible for the death of his wife and did him wrong. I mean, she even told him to let it go--that was closure right there. What's going on with this Dracula?

hohoho I just chalk it up to centuries of cursed vampirism/perpetual agony drove him mad.

"I cannot die, yet.. I cannot live."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 07, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Neogaf. Someone captured them from the trailer.

Hmm neogaf huh going to check there right now  molto grazie Maedhros

darn it let me post

cannot find anything do not know why but I just cannot I'll have to wait till some new screens come out at least I got some new Mof images today and ahasverus los2 cannot win all battles I guess.  ;)

Well that as fun ciao ragazzi
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 07, 2012, 09:14:21 PM
hohoho I just chalk it up to centuries of cursed vampirism/perpetual agony drove him mad.

"I cannot die, yet.. I cannot live."
Or a virtual hyperlink to "See Dracula in all other media and the older CV games to understand his pure evilness and hatred for things if you have any questions!".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on December 07, 2012, 09:18:46 PM
I think it was already confirmed in the Lords DLC that Gabriel having vampire blood made him turn into a bigger ass.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on December 07, 2012, 09:22:09 PM
Just watched the Trailer... OH SHIT! Since we will have speculations and countless discussions, We gotta have nicknames for these Chars...

Gabriel as Dracula - We call him Gabula/Dracul
Trevor being Alucard - Trevucard
Weak old looking Gabula - Drycula! Because he needs blood and he's thirsty.

Okay, so why is Drycula wearing a Green and Yellow Sash... Those are Trevor's Coat's Colours... WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING HERE?

That being said, the memory thing... "Assassinvania" and City gameplay, "Batmanvania". I like this! So the game will take place in the future! This is great news indeed! And there is alot of Sword use in the game as well. I didn't see any Blood Whip... Those things probably use Mana/Bloodlust and may be stronger than the sword... But this is a huge change of feel from the First game. So there is alot of Variation in the Saga. First game is a Linear Hack n' Slash, Second is a Classic Sidescroller and the third is exploration and plays similar to AC and Batman, although those weren't direct gameplay. This is gonna be GOOD so far!

These are Bright Times... Times with hope...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gaawa-chan on December 07, 2012, 09:32:16 PM
Weak old looking Gabula - Drycula!

How about Crusticula?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on December 07, 2012, 10:40:19 PM
The instant Gabula said he had no memory it reminded me of "Legacy of Cain: Blood Omen 2".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JR on December 07, 2012, 10:53:48 PM
Ugh. Now I don't know what to believe. The epilogue from the first game tells us he wants to die, now we hear that he's weak after centuries of sleep but wants lost power and vengeance, only to see him as looking normal again. So it's just some kind of frankenclip that was spliced together to keep us speculating? Not quite as satisfying as the MoF trailer was, I have to admit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on December 08, 2012, 12:44:07 AM
Trailer looked alright. I like Robert Carlyle but his delivery was kinda lacking.

Surprised to see him use a sword. I assumed the licorice whip would be his main attack; maybe it's part of his dark magic in this one? That'd make sense as the cinematics made it look pretty OP. Hopefully the sword's fun to use.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 08, 2012, 01:05:35 AM
Trailer looked alright. I like Robert Carlyle but his delivery was kinda lacking.

Surprised to see him use a sword. I assumed the licorice whip would be his main attack; maybe it's part of his dark magic in this one? That'd make sense as the cinematics made it look pretty OP. Hopefully the sword's fun to use.


Maybe it's the script

cannot go to sleep  ???
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on December 08, 2012, 01:06:12 AM
I'm gonna wait for the game (or more info) to really judge the story yet. I'm willing to believe that being sealed away fro so long, so deprived of blood really fucked up his brain, leaving him with only vague memories of how powerful he once was.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 08, 2012, 01:15:20 AM
I'm gonna wait for the game (or more info) to really judge the story yet. I'm willing to believe that being sealed away fro so long, so deprived of blood really fucked up his brain, leaving him with only vague memories of how powerful he once was.

He seems to be so powerful that he's going against the living, the dead, the holy, the unholy, and everything and anything else that's inbetween.  Yeah this version of dracula makes mathias look like a pushover.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on December 08, 2012, 04:36:39 AM
He seems to be so powerful that he's going against the living, the dead, the holy, the unholy, and everything and anything else that's inbetween.  Yeah this version of dracula makes mathias look like a pushover.
You don't know what you're talking about...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 08, 2012, 05:23:05 AM
Looks BADASS!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on December 08, 2012, 05:49:40 AM
I hardly recognized Jack Osbourne. Seems he went from his "slim adrenaline junkie" form to a Patton Oswald lookalike.

Dialogue was indredibly narmy. If it had a poweful delivery, it might not sound so silly. But Robert Carlyle still sounds like Robert Carlyle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 08, 2012, 05:53:35 AM
Trailer was good, but I really thought we would get something with more gameplay and stuff.

My guesses after the trailer:
- Dracula was put to sleep by Simon/Alucard or by himself.
- Intro of the game is in the future, then in the past (flashbacks), and the finale in the future.
- We control Dracula during the whole game and we kill EVERYTHING (Belmonts, angels, demons, Alucard, the Order, etc.)
- In the end, 2 options: Gabriel dies and is reunited with Marie (unlikely) OR Gabriel destroyed everything and is reborn as the new king of evil.

Anyway, I'm so hyyyped! :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Heuss on December 08, 2012, 05:54:01 AM
Dracula never be the same after Lord of Shadows...
The Dracula's revenge
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 08, 2012, 06:02:16 AM
He seems to be so powerful that he's going against the living, the dead, the holy, the unholy, and everything and anything else that's inbetween.  Yeah this version of dracula makes mathias look like a pushover.
But also, the more greater his hatred is, the more derpy his reasoning seems(so far). From this view point, it just seems like they are trying to make this Dracul(maybe we SHOULD distinguish him as being something "different" than "Dracula") as being the ultimate rebel.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on December 08, 2012, 06:04:50 AM
Wait..a villain is cooler if he just wants to destroy everything and everyone?

I knew 80's was kind of in, but come on..

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on December 08, 2012, 06:19:29 AM
Trailer link is dead.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 08, 2012, 06:36:20 AM
Trailer link is dead.
Try this one: http://www.viddler.com/v/ce5ae022 (http://www.viddler.com/v/ce5ae022)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 08, 2012, 06:48:28 AM
HOHOHO it seems the main difference now is

Akumajo Dracula: Ruler of Chaos & summons/creates demons to do his bidding
Lords of Shadow Dracul(a): Conjures up weapons & dislikes everybody, demons included (but why? my theory is that the demonic creatures are still loyal to Satan, since Dracula basically usurped his throne, they want revenge which also links to what Zobek said "Satan's acolytes are preparing for his return.")

Anyone else agree?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on December 08, 2012, 07:00:54 AM
I think I like the old Dracula better.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on December 08, 2012, 07:18:44 AM
I KNOW I do. There simply aren't enough magnificent bastards with occasional lapses to philosophical misanthropic dialogues around anymore.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on December 08, 2012, 07:43:03 AM
I wonder if we'll get anymore info about the game on Monday, since every other game is getting coverage that day too.

Also noticed that this is trailer was short compared to the other Lords of Shadow trailers. Hopefully we'll get an extended trailer at some point that shows some more gameplay at least.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on December 08, 2012, 08:18:55 AM
I can't help but compare Gabriel a bit to a OC from a fanfic that kills all the already established characters (Trevor, the Belmont who is around in modern times who without a doubt will be called Julius, probably Simon and Alucard too, Cornell etc.). It kind off bothers me.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 08, 2012, 09:42:34 AM
You don't know what you're talking about...

I must have been talking crazy..... nah  :P

If I were to describe it in one picture it would be this





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While both have a unique quality I'll go for the "unrefined oaf" over the "pansy"

But as for the reason it's because it's the first time we are seeing dracula do something  besides just shooting fireballs and having overdramatic speeches... well from the looks of it he is still going to do that  ;), and the fact that this version is just so different I mean for for Pete's sake if this turns out to be true and he did defeat Trevor then this would be the first time drac has overcome the threat of a belmont.

Folks are going to like one over the other but, as the moment stands I am starting to like Gabriel over Mathias.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 08, 2012, 09:45:13 AM
I'm getting a Legacy of Kain vibe of all this. the possibility of Alucard being playable too (as hinted by Cox) time travel and stuff.. I like it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on December 08, 2012, 09:48:56 AM
I believe there's a saying in the military that "soldiers run, officers walk".

For Da True Drac, it means "The Dark Lord does magic, the insects fight".

Mathias/Drac doesn't do armed/melee combat because he considers it beneath him. And he was originally a strategist, so it's only natural he rather wave his hand and summon meteors than get all physical. Gabriel is a grunt. I guess it's about what type you prefer. Personally, I like my Dark Lord be lord-like.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on December 08, 2012, 09:55:22 AM
I believe there's a saying in the military that "soldiers run, officers walk".

For Da True Drac, it means "The Dark Lord does magic, the insects fight".

Mathias/Drac doesn't do armed/melee combat because he considers it beneath him. And he was originally a strategist, so it's only natural he rather wave his hand and summon meteors than get all physical. Gabriel is a grunt. I guess it's about what type you prefer. Personally, I like my Dark Lord be lord-like.

True and I am starting to like the warrior over the tactician
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on December 08, 2012, 09:55:47 AM
I'm getting a Legacy of Kain vibe of all this. the possibility of Alucard being playable too (as hinted by Cox) time travel and stuff.. I like it.

 I got some Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver vibes from that trailer too. Even the music reminded me of Soul Reaver a bit.

Plus we have our Kain and Raziel in Dracula and Alucard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Neobelmont on December 08, 2012, 09:57:11 AM
I got some Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver vibes from that trailer too. Even the music reminded me of Soul Reaver a bit.

Plus we have our Kain and Raziel in Dracula and Alucard.

As someone who has never played Legacy of Kain is that a good thing or bad thing?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on December 08, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Dracula never be the same after Lord of Shadows...
The Dracula's revenge
Lords of Shadow 2: Dracula's Quest

i like the more front lines warrior general myself
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on December 08, 2012, 10:25:20 AM
As someone who has never played Legacy of Kain is that a good thing or bad thing?

Good.

But I doubt it will top Legacy of Kain though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on December 08, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
Mathias is more of a Lord of Vampires. Gabriel is more of a Vampire Warlord. Both excel in different attributes while they cannot master the other aspects. Mathias as a tactician has planned out enemies and layout, and as that's him as a tactician and when you reach the General, he has his sword in his sheath and uses it until you defeat him. Dracula (Mathias) is basically a Wizard... who also happens to be a Vampire. Gabriel is a Warlord who has on-the-line battle experience. So Gabriel is a powerful vampire because he has those attributes. Now we know that our original bad-ass Mathias is a powerful mother-fucker indeed, but when you compare the both Vampires' trades and skills, Mathias is more of a "Lord of Darkness" like the original Bram Stoker's Dracula. While he is the strongest indeed, he is more of a general and he NEEDS his army nonetheless, he is an alchemist and a wizard on the side for his combat, and while he may have his vampiric strength in his disposal, he isn't fit for a hand to hand combat with a Belmont, that's why Dracula keeps teleporting away because he can't handle that shit. Gabriel is a tactician in terms of personal combating unlike Mathias who uses it to command armies/now his legion. Gabriel on the other hand butchered his way through the burning village, all the way through the necromancer's abyss and back to the Castle and then to the Realm of the Forgotten One's with Zobek giving descriptions such as... "He sleeps less, eats less" I mean, talk about endurance. Gabriel is a strong and mighty Vampire. Look at the trailer in how he fights off armies and their generals like "I'm my own army". Obviously this is the guy you don't want to mess with in a "last man standing". In the trailers, he fights Trevor in an equal level. He is the type that wouldn't even bother drinking vine and waiting for the whip using warrior to reach his throne room. If he senses your presence, he will fight you there and then but alas, you've MoF in which he plays as a tactician, but then look, he is a War"Lord", so why wouldn't he have his share of armies?

Both have their share of strength and weaknesses, no need to make this a Deadliest Warrior episode. In fact, Mathias would get a true Vampire friend that Leon couldn't provide. They'd be bros. Olrox would be just low-tier Vampire. They both Complement each other in various sorts. Both had somewhat the same back story. Belmonts would be nothing in front of those two.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on December 08, 2012, 12:33:27 PM
I mostly like old Dracula because he wasn't deceived and strung along by a bunch of people, including his wife.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on December 08, 2012, 12:34:46 PM
I mostly like old Dracula because he wasn't deceived and strung along by a bunch of people, including his wife.

Indeed. Gabriel was tricked, Mathias chose his curse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 08, 2012, 12:40:43 PM
I side with the strongest. Take what you will from that.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 08, 2012, 12:45:42 PM
When it comes to the debate over strength or intelligence all I have to say is
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 08, 2012, 12:47:36 PM
I side with the strongest. Take what you will from that.

Depends on what your definition of "strongest' is.

Do you mean physical?

Or do you mean in battle in general?

If its the later, its historically proven that a without a good tactician battles would be lost. Having power means nothing if you charge head first into enemies without thinking. A lot of the times having a good mind for battle will save you before having brute strength.
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Post by: A-Yty on December 08, 2012, 12:50:18 PM
Personally, I'm talking about which character I like the better.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 08, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Skill & technique will always beat brute strength, hohoho
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 08, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
Skill & technique will always beat brute strength, hohoho

If that was true, combat sports wouldn't have weight classes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 08, 2012, 01:42:03 PM
Personally, I'm talking about which character I like the better.
This.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 08, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: e105beta
If that was true, combat sports wouldn't have weight classes.

perhaps but this is a video game discussion, not sports hohoho
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 08, 2012, 01:54:26 PM
When it comes to the debate over strength or intelligence all I have to say is
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That's what I was thinking. Before LoI, I always saw CV Dracula as being the type of vampire lord that could've basically gone out in the night, slaughter villagers, leaving orphans and stealing all the lovely young women of the village to add to his vampiric harem. Sure, the Belmonts could kick his ass, but that was mainly because:

1. The Belmonts were holy warriors, some of the best fitted in skill and means to combat the evil forces.

2. They were heralds of light, and good always conquers evil.

But aside from most humans, I think only a handful of top tier warriors and magic users were able to pit themselves against the Dark Lord and walk away. Any normal human being, you, me, them over there, would likely be butchered by him in an instant, and our meat either fed to his monstrous legion or our bones reanimated to do his bidding. I always felt that WAS how OG Dracula was. Not Mathias, not Gabriel, but THIS GUY:

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Of course, that's not Dracula Dracula, but from D&D Ravenloft, but you get who I'm referring to. THAT Drac, not Mathias, not Gabe, but the original fictional character the early games were based upon. The Lugosi and Lee Drac! The one who appeared in Monster Squad(which I love the scene where all the police officers are running towards him, and his dispatching them, tossing them aside like rag dolls and snapping necks like twigs without even getting worked up). THAT is what I always saw old school CV Drac to be like, both brains and brawn. I mean, he's not frail. Some of his designs(art and sprite) have him built like a linebacker.  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on December 08, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
Like I said, both the characters have their traits and weaknesses. And it's an endless discussion comparing both, especially in a neutral mind. Yes, he was tricked but what was he supposed to do? Find clues about who's responsible?

"But at forest, I saw the footprints. And it matched your boots. IT WAS YOU WHO MADE ME MURDER MY WIFE!"

"NO, YOU LIE! MEDDLING KID!"

Gabriel lost his wife, and the world was coming to an end therefore he wanted to slay the Lords, even if it was for Revenge, he is saving the world at same time. He can't control his fate. No one can, some are lucky to be able to control others' fate, let alone their own. Gabriel wasn't that lucky. And who's saying Gabriel is a brute? The guy is a combat tactician, not an army strategist. Generals and Soldiers are like Ying Yang. They can't live without each other. You may be a king and have your army, but when there's a revolution, that's all brute strength of the people combined together to get to the king. Strategists use their resources to fend for themselves, because they can't do it themselves. You can be a Scrawny Math Nerd who gets dominated by a muscular bully in high school, or you're the Scrawny Math Nerd as a large corporation owner in 20 years who's robbing away the muscular bully's bank dry in vengeance without being detected by the government and their cyber agents because he is an unreal tactician like that. Apples and Oranges. It's different situations. Mathias being a genius man is also the biggest fool in the series, he couldn't accept how life is and wasn't fortunate that he is a rich manor, a royal and an alchemist. According to Castlevania LoI, only handful of people carry this gift and yet... He cursed himself and ruined thousands of life in vain of his wife's death in Span of 1000 years, somewhat not including Lisa. This man wasn't a rational thinker using his best friend and his love's life to gain his power and trying to prove a point to his friend later only after deceiving his friend so he could sympathize with Mathias. This guy was fucked up and needed a psychiatrist for thinking this way. He doesn't even deserve the anger and grief, yet alone become a being of death and wrath for his sad cause. People die, that's that. That's how the world works, and people have being grieving over their loved ones for thousands of years and some take longer than others and curse life because they have to live their life without their family significant others, but Mathias... Wow my boy, his tale is just depressing...

For Gabriel, let's just say there was no forgotten one and Laura was either dead because her master is gone or she was gone and is free forever or whatever after fighting Satan. Gabriel is only left with grief and sadness as he says in the narration minus Laura's voice in Reverie. After what he has been through in span of few days with the death of his childhood friend then his wife, death of an innocent girl and her guardian, death of a spiritual being who sacrificed himself for Gabriel's cause and then find out that his ally betrays him and find out he's responsible for Claudia and Marie's death. You're broken. Gabriel feels there's nothing to really live for. Maybe he would go back to the brotherhood and say "F*** You!" Throw his cross and discard his uniform for good. Would he turn against the world just because of his personal problems? Of course you can't get over his event and his grief and hatred is far stronger than Mathias, and we know Gabriel's character for being a moody, yet strong and kind man with good heart. After this event he probably lost some of those traits, but as his life went on... He would get more softer in his loss and would remember Marie's dying wish and repent for his undeserved sins, unlike Mathias who cursed not only God but disrespected Elizabetha as well. Elizabetha probably would be grieving herself knowing that Mathias has become a monster. Gabriel might find someone else, even though you can never replace your "Childhood friend and then wife", he would have found some nice village girl to keep him happy and get that old feeling of love to give back like he did to Marie. Since I'm subtracting Laura away from this, this means the Brotherhood of Light never had the Prophecy or were wrong about Gabriel being evil later on and then maybe reveal that everything was okay after all and reveal Trevor to Gabriel (There are conflicts in this statement but with Laura gone, some things change as well). Worst case scenario, Gabriel isolates himself and tries to, but fails to get over  the events and cannot bare the pain any longer and commits suicide therefore, trapped in Limbo. Gabriel's desire to Curse humanity is highly unlikely.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 08, 2012, 02:38:06 PM
"My Dracula's better than yours!" This discussion in a nutshell.

Bottom line is, both Dracula's are dicks, so there!

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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 08, 2012, 03:16:39 PM
Dracula in general is a dick... even the Stoker's version. F*** it, ALL DRACULAs are dick, no matter!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on December 08, 2012, 03:31:06 PM
Quote
THAT Drac, not Mathias, not Gabe, but the original fictional character the early games were based upon. The Lugosi and Lee Drac!

But Lugosi n' Lee Drac was also used in PoR and ReBirth. Also made a cameo in DoS too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Heuss on December 08, 2012, 03:47:07 PM

Dracula warrior

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 08, 2012, 04:13:43 PM
hohoho Gabriel never impaled his enemies like that, but perhaps he will in LoS2 (in fact, that should be his signature move, not some "blood whip")

Akumajo Dracula never impaled anyone like that neither, at least we've never seen him do it in-game. However in SotN upon confronting Death you can clearly see numerous impaled corpses in the background, and Vlad III's portrait even appears in-game as a summon, so perhaps he did impale his victims "behind the scenes." At least he still used the traditional name "Vlad Tepes" in the canon timeline. LoS Drac will prolly never call himself Vlad (hell, he doesn't even call himself Dracula)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on December 08, 2012, 04:15:19 PM
Well there was this guy too:
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on December 08, 2012, 04:25:38 PM
Gabriel Impaled Carmilla...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on December 08, 2012, 04:28:56 PM
On a tower's tip, no less.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 08, 2012, 04:48:13 PM
hohoho Gabriel never impaled his enemies like that, but perhaps he will in LoS2 (in fact, that should be his signature move, not some "blood whip")

Akumajo Dracula never impaled anyone like that neither, at least we've never seen him do it in-game. However in SotN upon confronting Death you can clearly see numerous impaled corpses in the background, and Vlad III's portrait even appears in-game as a summon, so perhaps he did impale his victims "behind the scenes." At least he still used the traditional name "Vlad Tepes" in the canon timeline. LoS Drac will prolly never call himself Vlad (hell, he doesn't even call himself Dracula)
Even though I understand why Cox and MS refer to him as Dracula(because of Dracula's importance to the CV series legacy as a whole), maybe we could just go on ahead and say he ISN'T Dracula, but Dracul. I mean, yeah, even the original canon referenced the name "Dracula Vlad Tepes". LoS doesn't even seem to reference this nor the actual region(eastern Europe) the lore originates from. You could easily say the LoS takes place anywhere from France, Germany, even the British Isle, and it could be very well plausible because the setting is just "European Medieval Fantasy". It almost seems like an alternate Earth altogether, where various events within the world never occured. Original CV tried to play on the "secret history" approach, where certain dark things were going on in OUR world and throughout history(CV3's the first to do this, via the "true" reason Dracula was killed in 1476). LoS, who knows, maybe Wallachia, Transylvania, Romania and such don't even exist at all. Other empires arose, other holy orders were formed, resulting in a world that is historically similar, but entirely different.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on December 08, 2012, 09:02:02 PM
It doesn't really matter if you call him Dracul or Dracula. Not even the producers can decide which to refer to him as.
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Post by: e105beta on December 08, 2012, 11:41:55 PM
It doesn't really matter if you call him Dracul or Dracula. Not even the producers can decide which to refer to him as.

It wouldn't make much sense to call Gabriel "Dracula" given the circumstances. In fact, Dracula as a name hasn't meant jack diddly since Mathias was fashioned up for LoI.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 09, 2012, 01:27:49 AM
And what about we don't care and let MS/IGA/Konami name their characters as they want? :)
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Post by: Inccubus on December 09, 2012, 01:32:15 AM
I'm getting a Legacy of Kain vibe of all this. the possibility of Alucard being playable too (as hinted by Cox) time travel and stuff.. I like it.

I don't like it at all. Mostly on account of I already played Legacy of Kain.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 09, 2012, 07:50:07 AM
It wouldn't make much sense to call Gabriel "Dracula" given the circumstances. In fact, Dracula as a name hasn't meant jack diddly since Mathias was fashioned up for LoI.

Tell that to the guys in charge.

Pretty much everyone in charge of this game calls him "Dracula" in interviews and advertise him as such.

Obviously it must make some king of sense to them.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 09, 2012, 07:58:23 AM
And what about we don't care and let MS/IGA/Konami name their characters as they want? :)

Pretty much this.

LoS's story isn't historical anyway. What if Gabriel is simply calling himself "Dracul" as a title, or such, rather than actually as his name?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 09, 2012, 08:32:19 AM
Cox: "Everything in the VGA trailer is in-game, no CG."

OMG  :o
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Post by: crisis on December 09, 2012, 09:07:42 AM
HOHOHO i remember Cox saying Lords of Shadow should be viewed as "Dracula Begins" story
but lets address him as "Dracul" instead, because Dracul means dragon in Romanian and Dracula means son of the dragon so it wouldnt make logical sense to call him son of the dragon cuz he is a dragonjeuwidjwnhyx

point: they're putting too much thought into name/philosophical meanings, CV's antagonist is Dracula, get the damn name/spelling right, sheesh
i'm sorry for the rant & it seems like a small issue but things like this just bother me, just like how "Richiter" bothered me in PoR mistake or not, Schneider Belmont to Reinhardt (although the latter sounds better, they could've just picked 100 better names than SCHNEIDER. what was wrong with, i dunno, "Reinhardt Belmont?")
or if they altered another's name to like "Adriansen," changing stuff for no reason

DRA-COOL

Quote
Cox: "Everything in the VGA trailer is in-game, no CG."

that was obvious
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 09, 2012, 11:43:19 AM
That was not obvoous at all. That's Next-gen stuff right there. In current gen. Hats off to MS.

Also, if my memores doesn't decieve me, Cox said that DRACUL was the name given by himself, how he liked to be called, and DRACULA was how people call him, because they don't see him as the greatest evil but the second greatest (after Satan).
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Post by: Kingshango on December 09, 2012, 12:04:00 PM
Cox: "Everything in the VGA trailer is in-game, no CG."

OMG  :o

Framerate aside, the first game looked great, so it's no big shock that this looks better. But im willing to bet that it was the PC version that was shown.
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Post by: Sumac on December 09, 2012, 02:16:08 PM
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i'm sorry for the rant & it seems like a small issue but things like this just bother me, just like how "Richiter" bothered me in PoR mistake or not, Schneider Belmont to Reinhardt (although the latter sounds better, they could've just picked 100 better names than SCHNEIDER. what was wrong with, i dunno, "Reinhardt Belmont?")
They've picked spare name lying around, that's left after devs axed Cornell from the game. His initial name was "Reihardt Cornell".
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 09, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
They've picked spare name lying around, that's left after devs axed Cornell from the game. His initial name was "Reihardt Cornell".

Where did you hear this? I've never heard that before.

It makes a little sense since "Cornell" is generally used as a last name, but still.
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Post by: Heuss on December 09, 2012, 06:08:44 PM
Trevor Belmont / Gabriel Belmont
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Alucard / Dracula

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Post by: Ahasverus on December 09, 2012, 11:08:22 PM
I'm actually quite thrilled by how they could manage the father/son relationship.
Here's hoping they don't mess it up lol
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 09, 2012, 11:11:41 PM
Updated the los2 page with the vga trailer for those who have not seen it yet and from the looks of it it will not be taken down since the person got permission from viacom

Edit  just replaced that one with the konami one  :)
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 09, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
Trevor Belmont / Gabriel Belmont
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This makes me sad what could have been  :'(
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 09, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
No, seriously. This LoS saga has a lot of narrative oportunities, good concepts and a dare I say it phenomenal foundation.. however execution started already flawed and I fear for the future. Remember how Gabriel was supposed to fall into madness as long as the game progressed? Well that didn't happened in game, it was not used, it was not developed. Remember how Laura's death was supposed to be emotional? Busted. Remember how the Lord of the Dead was supposed to be a master tactician and a fearsome figure? Well they made him look goofy and killed him in 3 minutes. See? Lots of chances to elevate this storya bove others, and lots of screw-ups. And now,  seeing as trailers for MoF and LoS2 seems to me TOO much story focused, I fear the games themselves could be, and judging by their first try, I think there's much to be worried about.
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 09, 2012, 11:23:08 PM
No, seriously. This LoS saga has a lot of narrative oportunities, good concepts and a dare I say it phenomenal foundation.. however execution started already flawed and I fear for the future. Remember how Gabriel was supposed to fall into madness as long as the game progressed? Well that didn't happened in game, it was not used, it was not developed. Remember how Laura's death was supposed to be emotional? Busted. Remember how the Lord of the Dead was supposed to be a master tactician and a fearsome figure? Well they made him look goofy and killed him in 3 minutes. See? Lots of chances to elevate this storya bove others, and lots of screw-ups. And now,  seeing as trailers for MoF and LoS2 seems to me TOO much story focused, I fear the games themselves could be, and judging by their first try, I think there's much to be worried about.

 If  MS kept the story clear then alot of this unused stuff would have not need to be thought about. Sometimes clarity,brevity, and most of all simplicity is the best way to go.
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Post by: Nagumo on December 10, 2012, 06:49:14 AM
Where did you hear this? I've never heard that before.

I know it says so in Konami magazine. Gaming sites like IGN probably had picked up on it too back in the day.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 10, 2012, 07:08:26 AM
Dave Cox be like, a 15 yr old on Facebook.

[@CastlevaniaLOS: I block dickheads, if your rude or say dumb shit...it's goodbye :) #just saying[/quote]

What an oaf! But we still love you! XD
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Post by: beingthehero on December 10, 2012, 07:25:41 AM
How professional and mature.
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Post by: uzo on December 10, 2012, 07:26:35 AM
No, seriously. This LoS saga has a lot of narrative oportunities, good concepts and a dare I say it phenomenal foundation.. however execution started already flawed and I fear for the future. Remember how Gabriel was supposed to fall into madness as long as the game progressed? Well that didn't happened in game, it was not used, it was not developed. Remember how Laura's death was supposed to be emotional? Busted. Remember how the Lord of the Dead was supposed to be a master tactician and a fearsome figure? Well they made him look goofy and killed him in 3 minutes. See? Lots of chances to elevate this storya bove others, and lots of screw-ups. And now,  seeing as trailers for MoF and LoS2 seems to me TOO much story focused, I fear the games themselves could be, and judging by their first try, I think there's much to be worried about.

"LoS has an AWESOME story! Just everything in it didn't come out good."

Oh, ok Ahasverus.
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Post by: thernz on December 10, 2012, 07:33:01 AM
There should really be a scene where you see Gabriel put on his armor and tunic. That would improve the narrative by a long shot for me, personally.
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Post by: A-Yty on December 10, 2012, 07:45:18 AM
Dave Cox be like, a 15 yr old on Facebook.

[@CastlevaniaLOS: I block dickheads, if your rude or say dumb shit...it's goodbye :) #just saying

What an oaf! But we still love you! XD

Guess he's like a raunchier version of Alvarez, who was sassy hera at the forum when LoS was coming out.
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Post by: Flame on December 10, 2012, 08:51:30 AM
I still want to know why the brotherhood has a skull for their insignia. or at least why gabe's armor has it.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 10, 2012, 10:55:55 AM
I must be going crazy but I watched the trailer again I think I saw Dracula walking out of the church with his cape on moving towards the street. :o

I hope Im not the only one seein that.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 10, 2012, 11:22:18 AM
No, seriously. This LoS saga has a lot of narrative oportunities, good concepts and a dare I say it phenomenal foundation.. however execution started already flawed and I fear for the future. Remember how Gabriel was supposed to fall into madness as long as the game progressed? Well that didn't happened in game, it was not used, it was not developed. Remember how Laura's death was supposed to be emotional? Busted. Remember how the Lord of the Dead was supposed to be a master tactician and a fearsome figure? Well they made him look goofy and killed him in 3 minutes. See? Lots of chances to elevate this storya bove others, and lots of screw-ups. And now,  seeing as trailers for MoF and LoS2 seems to me TOO much story focused, I fear the games themselves could be, and judging by their first try, I think there's much to be worried about.
It's interesting to actually see you be critical of LoS for once, and not be, "OMG, teh awesomest game EVERZ!!".
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Post by: Sumac on December 10, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
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Where did you hear this? I've never heard that before.
It makes a little sense since "Cornell" is generally used as a last name, but still.
Here. (http://web.archive.org/web/20091025135707/http://geocities.com/victor_doom2099/history.html)
There is a lot information about CV64 prior its release, but I am afraid not all of it could be checked for accuracy, since a lot of sources have dissappeared.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 10, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VuWQo3ti96g (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VuWQo3ti96g)

Official upload of the VGA trailer, read the quote in the intro... Not Edmund Burke but Friedrich Nietzsche... Well done.

And use headphones... They added electrical synth similar to SCVIV intro... Or I'm just trippin'
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Post by: Nagumo on December 10, 2012, 11:51:29 AM
Here. (http://web.archive.org/web/20091025135707/http://geocities.com/victor_doom2099/history.html)

Interesting read.

They actually poked fun at "Schneider Belmont" and "Reinhardt Cornell", so they asked fans to submit their own names for the characters. And as a result, we got Cornell and Reinhardt Schneider.   

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Post by: crisis on December 10, 2012, 12:18:18 PM
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Official upload of the VGA trailer, read the quote in the intro... Not Edmund Burke but Friedrich Nietzsche... Well done.

HO HO HO that's a nice quote n all, but i think they definately should've used a quote from the Bible instead, such as Dracula's quote from Symphony,

For what profit is it to a man,
If he gains the world,
and loses his own soul?
[Matthew 16:26]


or this,

For the gate that leads to damnation is wide,
The road is clear,
And many choose to travel it.
[Matthew 7:13-14]
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 10, 2012, 12:28:30 PM
I must be going crazy but I watched the trailer again I think I saw Dracula walking out of the church with his cape on moving towards the street. :o

I hope Im not the only one seein that.

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    James Locklin‏@flyingchai01

@CastlevaniaLOS .....That red cloaked figure hobbling out of the church WAS Dracul about to cross the street right? haha
 

Dave Cox‏@CastlevaniaLOS

@flyingchai01 - Yes well spotted :)

 

The heck you guys figure that out I'll never know
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Post by: flyingchai on December 10, 2012, 12:31:11 PM
High five, Kingshango! hehe. Seriously, that red cloak was on his lap in the epilogue...and he was hobbling.
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 10, 2012, 12:32:39 PM
High five, Kingshango! hehe. Seriously, that red cloak was on his lap in the epilogue...and he was hobbling.

And you just connected the dots from there good memory.
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Post by: Flame on December 10, 2012, 01:52:16 PM
Damn I never would have caught that. Good find.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 10, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Dracul's looks like a Hobo as he walks out of the cathedral... I wouldn't be surprised as he walks into an alley filled with hooligans with baseball bats and be like,

"HEY! We fucking hate crackheads! You wish you had crack right now didn't you, little bitch... Because this is reality!"

He gets a couple blows on Gabriel.

"Hey guys, look. This guy's tough... didn't even fall yet. What's the matter? Piss and beg, you little cunt!"

The hooligans around him laugh and Gabriel looks at him,

"All of you will weep for mercy..."

The kid with the bat,

"Wha-?"

Gabriel widens his jaws and bites the kid's neck, drinks his blood and throws his body towards a wall leaving a crater. Everybody is shocked and run for their lives and you hunt the rest of the kids who laughed at you, but if you don't...

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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 10, 2012, 03:09:51 PM
More pointless shit...

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Ruined Clocktower

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Vampire Warrior
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Post by: Flame on December 10, 2012, 05:41:42 PM
Oh hey it's that guy from the trailer who Gabe Dracula- oh pardon- 'Dracul' kills.

We sure hes a vampire? seems more like a demon or something. Why would he be fighting AGAINST the Lord of Vampires? Leftover resistance of Camilla's?
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Post by: RichterB on December 10, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
RE: CASTLEVANIA NAMES HISTORY & N64:

Hey, I got mad love for Reinhardt and the gang (and more so as time goes on). Let's get to the bottom line: I didn't hear anyone get snippy when we had a whip character with a non-Belmont name before--MORRIS! That was years before CV64, setting that up as a possibility, and even CotM carried that on with GRAVES. Honestly, it's very neat, and shows that the Belmont line/tradition can be carried down in different ways, since who's to say it's always a MALE heir's Belmont blood that gets passed along. Or, who's to say a Belmont proper is always there and capable at the time of Drac's coming? You gonna send out 4-year-old Trevor or 80-year-old Simon?

Personally, I would love a sequel in the style of CV64/LoD--reading the old interviews with the creators, you can tell they're very committed to the Castlevania brand and doing all sorts of subtle things with it to make it breathe as a world in 3D. Even LoD didn't include everything they intended for the N64 game/s, with some leftover elements ahead of their time for video games. READ: http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4917.0.html (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4917.0.html)

RE: LoS2 NEW ARTWORK:

This may seem an oxymoron, but the clocktower art seems, well, lifeless. There's not a lot of character to it. It's just drab and ruined. Like LoS' artwork, it's grand and dramatic, but I don't know that it's going to translate into CG with a lot of personality or spectacular level design. The monster design looks nice; though, again, is this another guy we finish with a QTE?

There's been a discussion on here about the Draculas and Belmonts over the years. (We all forgot about Kid Dracula, who would easily defeat Gabriel or Mathias!  ;)) Let me just say there's one problem that LoS inherently brings, and I think someone noted this. Basically, you're championing a bad guy at various points, when these games have always thrived for me as a ostracized but holy good fighting all odds against supreme evil. But I'll stop, as I'm starting grumble now. :P

EDIT: One last point and food for thought. Has putting big names like Patrick Stewart, Robert Carlyle, and Jason Issacs really elevated the narrative punch of Castlevania any more than established but lesser recognized voice actors like Michael McConnohie (Rinaldo Gandolfi) or Dave Wittenberg (Leon Belmont)? I don't see how you could make a case for that, regardless of how compelling Patrick Stewart could make the Dictionary sound. Honestly, it's like if Solid Snake was played by Bruce Willis instead of David Hayter, would that make Metal Gear 100% more mature and serious? Them pushing these Hollywood names is a part of that "sensationalist" bent I mentioned earlier in the thread that helps hamper LoS. Oh, and while we're at it, it's come to my attention that GoW's Kratos and Gabe have some similarities. They both were driven mad by the death of their wife (which they both caused), they both turn on their allies, they both kill a super-powered being, and in the process become more like that being...
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 11, 2012, 01:08:28 AM
Too much awesomeness...! I'm so hype :D
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on December 11, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
These new designs, are so much better than the first LoS, i think this time will have something interesting to get and play with.
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Post by: C Belmont on December 11, 2012, 03:18:15 AM
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Basically, you're championing a bad guy at various points, when these games have always thrived for me as a ostracized but holy good fighting all odds against supreme evil

This has to be one of the biggest problems I have with LOS and the reason why I can't find myself liking any of its characters they are all either bad or halfway there.
The new Simon isn't past killing anyone who gets in his way and even Trevor who is supposedly a righteous warrior is out their ripping monsters guts out without restraint.  I'd be genuinely surprised if Alucard turned out to be a nice guy.
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Post by: Sumac on December 11, 2012, 08:03:16 AM
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They actually poked fun at "Schneider Belmont" and "Reinhardt Cornell", so they asked fans to submit their own names for the characters. And as a result, we got Cornell and Reinhardt Schneider.
Thank you. I didn't know that bit.

Personally, I think LOS is more about evil versus even greater evil. Besides, I am pretty sure, that Gabriel will somehow redeem himself and ultimately will sacrifice himself to save the world.

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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2012, 10:19:07 AM
I would like some multiple endings.

Dave Cox confirmed that there will be some electronic music in LoS as well. I don't see why not make some catchy tunes now?
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Post by: Kingshango on December 11, 2012, 10:27:47 AM
Electronic music huh? Dracula going into a underground nightclub full of strobelights and monsters confirmed.  ;D


Kidding of course well kind of.

Anyway it seems Dracula's sword has a name, it's called the "Void Sword." Sounds kinda eh to me but I'll prolly warm up to it.
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Post by: crisis on December 11, 2012, 10:46:18 AM
HO HO HO they should've named it 'Valmanway'


i remember getting Maxim's 'Stellar Sword' in PoR
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Post by: Nagumo on December 11, 2012, 10:59:44 AM
All swords should have cool sounding Scandinavian names.  >:(
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Post by: sannyclause on December 11, 2012, 12:55:55 PM
Oh hey it's that guy from the trailer who Gabe Dracula- oh pardon- 'Dracul' kills.

We sure hes a vampire? seems more like a demon or something. Why would he be fighting AGAINST the Lord of Vampires? Leftover resistance of Camilla's?
HO HO HO it seems like satan will be turning draculs minions against him, diabolical
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Post by: shelverton. on December 11, 2012, 01:00:05 PM
If there're a few electronic tracks in the game, I hope that means: Beats! That could somewhat compensate for the lack of melodies. I mean, there are obviously melodies, but... you know what I mean. Beats may not actually "fit" with the time period of most Castlevania games, but Yamane did it many times and no one complained back then, so I don't see why not.
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 11, 2012, 02:15:06 PM
So, Cox: Alucard's sword is special. That's why he has a reflection.

Oh boy, so much teasing!
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2012, 02:24:20 PM
Alucard Sword maybe? Marie's family's heirloom... If it is Trevucard.

Also, if this game has a modern day setting, electronic music could suit it. Something like Batman animated series (2005), Trinity Blood, Hellsing, etc.

It will be like dark rave or ambient, but so far what I've listened to in both trailers are full orchestrations with some hints of electro-bass arpeggios... Maybe that's what it's going to be.

I'm hoping that Maestro Araujo can make some fusion and just plain electronic beats as well.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 11, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
Bet the swords name is "Dragonbane" or something.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2012, 06:45:37 PM
Bet the swords name is "Dragonbane" or something.

Okay, what else have you heard? Spill it out! >:(
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Post by: Kingshango on December 11, 2012, 06:50:18 PM
The name Dragonbane just popped in my head randomly. I think it's from an RPG or something.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 11, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
The name Dragonbane just popped in my head randomly. I think it's from an RPG or something.

Dragonbane is a commonly used sword name in fantasy stories. That might be why you thought of it.
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Post by: Koutei on December 11, 2012, 10:25:41 PM
They actually poked fun at "Schneider Belmont" and "Reinhardt Cornell", so they asked fans to submit their own names for the characters. And as a result, we got Cornell and Reinhardt Schneider.
The name of Reinhardt Schneider was determined by RYOKO AMOU and MIYOKO EBI. Two persons' name can be seen on staff credit "SPECIAL THANKS".  Since Cornell was canceled, he is not naming by fan.
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Post by: flyingchai on December 11, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
I'm sticking with my original theory on Alucard's sword: the blade was the same one Gabriel threw back at Pan to defeat him to open up the way to the deadlands. The sword had the blood of an Old God, and if you notice, Pan's blood was silver as it poured out of him.
A shred of proof that I'm right? None at all.  :P
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 11, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Dragonbane is a commonly used sword name in fantasy stories. That might be why you thought of it.
So is Dragonslayer(thought it sounds too classic fantasy RPG/story).
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 12, 2012, 03:33:07 PM
So is Dragonslayer(thought it sounds too classic fantasy RPG/story).

Or anythingslayer and anythingbane, pretty much.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 12, 2012, 06:00:41 PM
Or anythingslayer and anythingbane, pretty much.

Or anything killer.  :-X
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 20, 2012, 01:45:31 AM
According to Cox, Richter is not the name of the LoS2 Belmont. I think Julius is number 1 now (was he already?).
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 20, 2012, 07:25:07 AM
According to Cox, Richter is not the name of the LoS2 Belmont. I think Julius is number 1 now (was he already?).

Well, MS could be jerks and use the names of Leon, Sonia, Christopher, Desmond, Zoe, Delores, Juste, or one of those other guys. XD

Or the second option is that there is a whole new Belmont.

Or the third option is Alucard really is Trevor, thus making him indeed the Belmont.

Wouldn't rule out Julius, though, and that would be really cool.
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Post by: sannyclause on December 20, 2012, 10:13:36 AM
HO HO HO i just read on cox's twitter that the gold angel looking dude in the trailer is a paladin from the brotherhood but he's not the new belmont 
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Post by: Flame on December 20, 2012, 12:29:47 PM
I'll bet he probably works like pan. though maybe not.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 20, 2012, 01:01:44 PM
If you look closer, in the very next cut you see him with his helmet off as that bald guy that Dracula blows up.
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Post by: mistressalucard on January 04, 2013, 08:05:37 PM
Did this get delayed?  I just received a notice in my amazon cart that it is no longer available for preorder and not available.
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Post by: Weiss Belmont on January 04, 2013, 08:29:53 PM
Did this get delayed?  I just received a notice in my amazon cart that it is no longer available for preorder and not available.

Maybe. According to Gamestop this was due out in February. Now we're looking at December 31st.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on January 04, 2013, 08:46:17 PM
I don't think it got delayed. I doubt that February date from GameStop was anything more than a placeholder. It wouldn't come out before Mirror of Fate. An official release date for the game was never given out by Konami or MercurySteam, so...
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Post by: Flame on January 04, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
Didn't they say 2014? Or did I imagine that?
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Post by: Weiss Belmont on January 04, 2013, 09:48:32 PM
Didn't they say 2014? Or did I imagine that?

It'll still be out before Versus XIII.
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Post by: beingthehero on January 04, 2013, 10:03:21 PM
The dates for Gamestop are placeholders. When I preordered Lords 2 back over the summer it had the date as this past December.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 04, 2013, 10:04:41 PM
Im still holding out for a fall of 2013 release date but a early 2014 date wouldn't shock me.
It'll still be out before Versus XIII.

Everything comes out before Versus XIII does.
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 04, 2013, 11:30:45 PM
They announced no date for LoS2.
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Post by: crisis on January 04, 2013, 11:34:39 PM
Since everyone's throwing out random numbers, I'll say late 2014/early 2015 sounds bout right
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Post by: Claimh Solais on January 05, 2013, 03:47:04 AM
Versus XIII.

That's when the Mayan calendar actually ends.
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Post by: Nagumo on January 05, 2013, 04:31:37 AM
I'm pretty sure it's already coming out this year. That was my impression at least.
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Post by: Weiss Belmont on January 05, 2013, 09:30:26 AM
Since everyone's throwing out random numbers, I'll say late 2014/early 2015 sounds bout right

From my pov I don't think any of us are just throwing out random numbers for fun or anything. Rather we've been given different information from different sources which is something you'd expect from a high-profile game. On my end I didn't know that the dates on Gamestops website were just placeholders. Hence the reason I thought the game was originally set for February 2013 since that was the date Gamestop had in October 2012.
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Post by: sannyclause on January 05, 2013, 07:21:11 PM
HO HO HO i think it will be released fall this year since the first game was released in october :)
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on January 07, 2013, 03:24:41 PM
fall this year , for versus ... they made this game for our grandsons
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 10, 2013, 08:55:35 PM
Versus is not a game and it has never existed. We all got trolled by nice cgi, again.
LoS is coming fall this year, or a little bit earlier, with new consoles coming this fall I'm sure Konami will try to avoid a Curse of Darkness case when new console sales canibalized any interest in the game.

Edit: LoS Facebook page wrote something like "The world didn't end in 2012 because I will return in 2013" with a LoS2 screenshot.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on January 11, 2013, 10:59:37 AM
Edit: LoS Facebook page wrote something like "The world didn't end in 2012 because I will return in 2013" with a LoS2 screenshot.


I'll have to admit, that's a catchy phrase.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 12, 2013, 06:42:52 AM
Everything comes out before Versus XIII does.

Kingdom Hearts 3 might come out after Versus XIII.
Squeenix just carry on with the in between stuff and delay the major releases til oblivion.

As for LoS, maybe for fall of this year if they are fast regarding the finishing or next year if they are not.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on January 12, 2013, 08:43:49 AM
Kingdom Hearts 3 might come out after Versus XIII.
Squeenix just carry on with the in between stuff and delay the major releases til oblivion.

As for LoS, maybe for fall of this year if they are fast regarding the finishing or next year if they are not.

I think Nomura confirmed that Kingdom Hearts III will come after Versus XIII.

Considering the trailer for LoS2, looking like it's in a pretty decent built, with QTE gameplay pretty nicely done, and the fact that voice recording's already been done, I'd say fall 2013 is a pretty good release date.
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Post by: kaiwai on February 27, 2013, 09:03:34 AM
Recording the Lords of Shadow 2 musics !! ♥

https://twitter.com/Oscar_Araujo/status/306803943990755329/photo/1/large?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=Oscar_Araujo&utm_content=306803943990755329
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Post by: Zetheraxza on February 27, 2013, 11:58:33 PM
Not to mention that Oscar Araujo is actually going to add some synths in his music.
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Post by: Lelygax on February 28, 2013, 10:22:37 AM
I expect atleast 1 classic music, but I doubt that this wish will be fullfiled
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Post by: Hagathrom on March 05, 2013, 02:41:34 AM
Seeing as the PS4, is being released later this year; I'm guessing that the PS3/PS4/XBox360/PC Launch date for LOS2 is going to be October/November 2013.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 05, 2013, 04:55:12 AM
Seeing as the PS4, is being released later this year; I'm guessing that the PS3/PS4/XBox360/PC Launch date for LOS2 is going to be October/November 2013.
Hopefully there's a PS4 version, being a launch game will give it exposure.

How fast time passes huh? We're now waiting for the ending, and it was like yesterday when w just saw the first trailer of LoS.... oh the nostalgia
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Post by: Kingshango on March 05, 2013, 09:24:41 AM
Now that MoF is done and out, it won't be long till we get media on LOS2.

But since this is Konami, we might have to wait till June.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 14, 2013, 02:29:33 AM
http://twitpic.com/cb7hpl (http://twitpic.com/cb7hpl)

Dave Cox ‏@CastlevaniaLOS
In Madrid showing special invited guests Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2.

Alrighty, we will soon hear news about this.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 14, 2013, 09:10:19 AM
http://twitpic.com/cb7hpl (http://twitpic.com/cb7hpl)

Dave Cox ‏@CastlevaniaLOS
In Madrid showing special invited guests Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2.

Alrighty, we will soon hear news about this.
The press in going to go nuts over this, all thy need is shiny graphics and then ZOMG GOTY
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Post by: Lelygax on March 14, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
Sadly this is the truth. Also, congratulations for your 2013th post in 2013.
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Post by: Flame on March 14, 2013, 10:55:34 AM
imo, castlevania as goty wouldn't be a bad thing.:
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Post by: Kingshango on March 14, 2013, 11:03:53 AM
The press in going to go nuts over this, all thy need is shiny graphics and then ZOMG GOTY

Well the devs have been saying that the game will look on par with what you'll see on next gen consoles. Im betting the PC version will look sexy as all hell.
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Post by: Little Dracula on March 14, 2013, 10:24:06 PM
Let's hope this means they will show it before E3. I personally think they should release it before october or it will get lost between the next gen and the AAA games.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 14, 2013, 10:26:35 PM
Let's hope this means they will show it before E3. I personally think they should release it before october or it will get lost between the next gen and the AAA games.
Yep. The same happened with Curse of Darkness, lost in the Xbox hype train.
I think there's a small posibility this game will be cross gen.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 14, 2013, 10:31:55 PM
You think they might show it at GDC? I remember the first Lords of Shadow got some coverage there but all we got to see were screenshots.

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Post by: Neobelmont on March 14, 2013, 10:32:28 PM
imo, castlevania as goty wouldn't be a bad thing.:

But what are the chances? heck I imagine ign giving los2 a 6 or 7  :P But yes when was the last time a cv game won an award a console one at that? I as well want this to happen

Well the devs have been saying that the game will look on par with what you'll see on next gen consoles. Im betting the PC version will look sexy as all hell.

Is it possible for a 60 fps los game  :o
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Post by: Dremn on March 14, 2013, 10:43:24 PM
Would be cool to finally see some LoS2 stuff, GDC sounds like a good time for a new trailer.
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 14, 2013, 10:45:38 PM
Would be cool to finally see some LoS2 stuff, GDC sounds like a good time for a new trailer.

 Edit let's see a pure gameplay video as well :D

Have the best of both worlds
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 15, 2013, 06:46:29 AM
Cox Twitterama:

My favourite comment today... Wow looks amazing on your high end PC. Can we see the PS3 version?... That is the PS3 version... :)
--> oh really? You sure?

@Burningskull13 - No... Simon never learns the fate of his Father...
--> whoa wait what? If I were Simon I'd get those hints Alucard gave, or maybe because I'm female. I need male opinion on this.

@CastlevaniaLOS Will the Toymaker be appearing in Lords of Shadow 2 as a main enemy. He looks like an interesting fellow. :D
@kailuun - He will return...
--> yeah it was hinted in MoF, duh.

More interviews today! #itscoming
--> good. we want this.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 15, 2013, 06:51:28 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFXNYUECMAAD-KU.jpg:large)
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Post by: Zetheraxza on March 15, 2013, 09:10:51 AM
There are some things I'm not liking so far, Gabriel had to replace all of Laura's blood to become a Vampire, yet Alucard just got a pint? And Simon never learns about the fate of his father well, okay but Gabriel is fully recognizable as Vampire yet Alucard has full facial surgery after becoming an Undead so Simon can't recognize his own father. I understand that a Child would go through emotional trauma for the death of his mother and assume his father went as well to haze his memory a little but, c'mon. Either that or Cox is lying as usual...
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Post by: Kingshango on March 15, 2013, 09:50:34 AM
Well in Alucards case, it took 30 years for his vampirism to kick in after he was declared dead, while Gabriel was still living so Lauras blood probably worked faster. Plus he got a power boost from the Forgotten One's dark energy which might have accelerated his transformation process.

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Post by: flyingchai on March 15, 2013, 09:52:25 AM
My thoughts: Trevor died from being impaled by his own weapon. Since Dracul is a super powerful vampire, the blood Trevor drank was naturally able to bring him back as a vampire...but ony after being dead for 30
years. This is likely how Carmilla made Laura; Alucard's skin is even the same as Laura's. Gabriel on the other hand drank all of Laura's blood and in doing so was able to skip that period of being asleep, time which they did not have.
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Post by: MKKhanzo on March 15, 2013, 09:56:22 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.vandalimg.com%2Fm%2F3-2013%2F2013315155319_1.jpg&hash=b01723ce1a8ed0ca83dca8e80cbb24bf)

EDIT: Already posted, sorry.
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Post by: Flame on March 15, 2013, 10:13:01 AM
pc wooo

in Alucard/simons defense, the last time Simon saw his father was a very young child.

He knows his father fell at Dracula's hand, 30 years ago.
his memory of his father is probably hazy. Meanwhile Alucard has pale blueish tinted skin,
white hair, and yellow eyes, and averts simons gaze. In a dark poorly lit demon castle
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 15, 2013, 11:07:12 AM
There are some things I'm not liking so far, Gabriel had to replace all of Laura's blood to become a Vampire, yet Alucard just got a pint? And Simon never learns about the fate of his father well, okay but Gabriel is fully recognizable as Vampire yet Alucard has full facial surgery after becoming an Undead so Simon can't recognize his own father. I understand that a Child would go through emotional trauma for the death of his mother and assume his father went as well to haze his memory a little but, c'mon. Either that or Cox is lying as usual...
Simon knew about his father. Otherwise their last scene would have seemd homo erotic to him, and he was a barbarian. Cox is not the writer of the game so I'm not sure he has all the plot answers. Simon didn't remember Trevor's face because he was a child when Trevor went to the Castle. Alucard still looks like trevor. Gabriel didn't need all of Laura's blood to become a vampire, he needed all of Laura's blood to absorb her power and not go through the HORRIBLE PIG FACED VAMPIRE phase. She needed him with all the powers of an elder inmediately.
That's probably what happened to Alucard, he recieved just a little of Gabriel's blood, and probably his body suffers because of that. But he didn't become a bat vampire because, well, he came from the Dark Lord himself, and perhaps some of Gabriel's powers passed to him.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 16, 2013, 09:34:59 PM
Well it seems that The first Lords of Shadow has appeared on the Steam registry.


http://steamdb.info/sub/26167/ (http://steamdb.info/sub/26167/)


*Its happening.gif*
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Post by: Flame on March 16, 2013, 10:51:04 PM
About time, IMO.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 17, 2013, 02:01:15 AM
omg need do much
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 17, 2013, 02:05:56 AM
Well it seems that The first Lords of Shadow has appeared on the Steam registry.


http://steamdb.info/sub/26167/ (http://steamdb.info/sub/26167/)


*Its happening.gif*

I'm not a steam user is this good  are there any advantages over the ps360?
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Post by: Maedhros on March 17, 2013, 07:57:18 AM
I'm not a steam user is this good  are there any advantages over the ps360?

Of course! PC have 10x the power of a PS3/X360, it can trump over the game shitty optimization and give us 60FPS/1080p easily, given you have a good GPU.
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Post by: beingthehero on March 17, 2013, 08:07:57 AM
And you can minimize the screen and look at porn too!
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Post by: Maedhros on March 17, 2013, 08:24:09 AM
Is it LoS porn though?
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Post by: Foffy on March 17, 2013, 09:02:53 AM
I'm not a steam user is this good  are there any advantages over the ps360?

The game won't perform as if you're hitting a console with a hammer every other second, giving it dips.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 17, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
I'm not a steam user is this good  are there any advantages over the ps360?
Everything. Will look 10x better in higher framerate (higher fluitidy and responsiveness).
Some mods could change the music, even.
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Post by: uzo on March 17, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
Some mods could change the music, even.

Good point! I forgot all about that possibility.
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Post by: Flame on March 17, 2013, 01:33:03 PM
That would be pretty neat. LoS with classic CV tunes. I'm imagining some form of Vampire Killer for when you enter the castle.
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Post by: Lelygax on March 17, 2013, 06:37:25 PM
The mods can do even more than that simple things. (simple for who understand how to do that, not me. lol)
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Post by: Gecko on March 17, 2013, 07:00:08 PM
Of course! PC have 10x the power of a PS3/X360, it can trump over the game shitty optimization and give us 60FPS/1080p easily, given you have a good GPU.

LOL
My computer can barely play Dragon Age on its lowest settings. LoS would look horrid, and have an abysmal framerate if it would play at all without crashing/overheating.


BUT what you say is definitely true for people who are willing to pay large amounts of money regularly to keep their computers up to date.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 17, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
LOL
My computer can barely play Dragon Age on its lowest settings. LoS would look horrid, and have an abysmal framerate if it would play at all without crashing/overheating.


BUT what you say is definitely true for people who are willing to pay large amounts of money regularly to keep their computers up to date.
Lol.
Maybe it's time to get a new PC. They are getting more and more relevant on these last 5 years. Next Gen, they'll be even more relevant, as the new consoles are basically PC's (with coding to the metal, as their OS's and drivers (etc) are specific for them).
It's not even that expensive nowadays.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 17, 2013, 08:20:02 PM
I think it is cheaper to get a new pc and keep it updated from time to time rather than get consoles that are stuck with the same specs.
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Post by: e105beta on March 17, 2013, 08:45:37 PM
LOL
My computer can barely play Dragon Age on its lowest settings. LoS would look horrid, and have an abysmal framerate if it would play at all without crashing/overheating.


BUT what you say is definitely true for people who are willing to pay large amounts of money regularly to keep their computers up to date.

The initial investment CAN be a bit costly (anywhere from $800 to $3000), but if you know what you're doing, building a reasonably powerful gaming PC isn't the hyper-expensive expenditure it is sometimes made out to be. Though, "hyper-expensive" is definitely relative.

It's a very relative issue. Up until now, a console is going to cost you $200-$400 dollars, which means two consoles (about a 13 year shelf life) is going to cost you $400-$800 bucks, which definitely comes in cheaper than the PC parts you're going to be spending over 13 years, but your PC games will most likely look nicer than their console equivalents.

It's mostly a matter of priority.
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 17, 2013, 08:49:22 PM
The initial investment CAN be a bit costly (anywhere from $800 to $3000), but if you know what you're doing, building a reasonably powerful gaming PC isn't the hyper-expensive expenditure it is sometimes made out to be. Though, "hyper-expensive" is definitely relative.

It's a very relative issue. Up until now, a console is going to cost you $200-$400 dollars, which means two consoles (about a 13 year shelf life) is going to cost you $400-$800 bucks, which definitely comes in cheaper than the PC parts you're going to be spending over 13 years, but your PC games will most likely look nicer than their console equivalents.

It's mostly a matter of priority.

Is there some kind of tutorial for this kind of stuff?

mods can can even chage levels right? Like some of these skyrim videos.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 17, 2013, 08:52:53 PM
Is there some kind of tutorial for this kind of stuff?

I don't know about that since I'm not a pc person. But if you have a friend that knows how to build his/her own pc, then you can get a great gaming pc without the high cost.

It's mostly a matter of priority.

Yeah, it depends on what games you want more. Like if you are fond of RTS, then PC is the only way to go.
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Post by: Lelygax on March 17, 2013, 08:53:37 PM
Yes, in 4chan. I've downloaded one before to see their opinions, /g/ is actually a cool place. Its a image with specs, pieces and prices.
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Post by: e105beta on March 17, 2013, 08:56:34 PM
Is there some kind of tutorial for this kind of stuff?

Building a PC is more simple than you'd expect.

But if you're looking for a tutorial, here's a great one I found in the last year or so:
http://lifehacker.com/5828747/how-to-build-a-computer-from-scratch-the-complete-guide (http://lifehacker.com/5828747/how-to-build-a-computer-from-scratch-the-complete-guide)

EDIT: On topic, are there any rumors on when some more gameplay info/videos/pictures/etc are going to drop?
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 17, 2013, 08:59:36 PM
I don't know about that since I'm not a pc person. But if you have a friend that knows how to build his/her own pc, then you can get a great gaming pc without the high cost.

Yeah, it depends on what games you want more. Like if you are fond of RTS, then PC is the only way to go.

None of my friends are pc gamers asa far as I know.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 17, 2013, 09:25:58 PM


EDIT: On topic, are there any rumors on when some more gameplay info/videos/pictures/etc are going to drop?

Nothing yet, other than press people being extra hyped at what they saw of the game in Madrid, it's been dry .

But seeing that the game is already being showed to the press, we shouldn't have to wait long till we get some media soon ( possibly during GDC.)
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Post by: uzo on March 18, 2013, 05:08:35 AM
I built my current PC nearly 4 years ago at this point, for $1,800. I can still play new PC releases at full specs on my TV at 1080p.

I did however go higher than most people may expect to, since I built mine specifically for game development.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 18, 2013, 11:52:25 AM
Ypu haven't even mentioned the gread advantage of PC gaming: preservation.
When this console gen dies off, and no more copies of the games are being pressed, you won't be able to find a certain game you could be interested in, and of course, modern consoles don't last a lot. With a PC you have the back catalogue of what, 30 years? at your disposal, emulation, and backwards compatibility. And more often than not, they play and look better than ever.

This is what I'm talking about

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And well, is it costly?.. I think you are typing your responses from a PC lol so you already have the biggest investment. A RAm upgrade will cost less than $100, if your PC is less than 5 years old your CPU should be just fine, and a card that will probably max out all your catalogue is in the range of price of a new console. And for 200 you could buy a budget one that could make games look better than the console versions already!. And you can plug the PC to your TV with an HDM, and then use the 360 controller: BAM, a console better than consoles.


I don't have a gaming PC lol, but I know its advantages, and as soon as I get a job I'll build a nice baby.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on March 18, 2013, 12:01:16 PM
Ypu haven't even mentioned the gread advantage of PC gaming: preservation.
When this console gen dies off, and no more copies of the games are being pressed, you won't be able to find a certain game you could be interested in, and of course, modern consoles don't last a lot. With a PC you have the back catalogue of what, 30 years? at your disposal, emulation, and backwards compatibility. And more often than not, they play and look better than ever.

This is what I'm talking about

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Heh, seeing as this is a Castlevania forum, you're not gonna show Castlevania games in high quality?

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on March 18, 2013, 12:08:16 PM
Foffy, what emulator is that? JPCSP? Also Spyro from PSX looks like a game from PS2 with all these filters and cool things ON. :P

Also here is the complete article from the FFXII pic that Ahasverus posted: http://ultrararespacehighfive.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/old-toy-new-power/ (http://ultrararespacehighfive.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/old-toy-new-power/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on March 18, 2013, 12:15:57 PM
Foffy, what emulator is that? JPCSP? Also Spyro from PSX looks like a game from PS2 with all these filters and cool things ON. :P

Also here is the complete article from the FFXII pic that Ahasverus posted: http://ultrararespacehighfive.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/old-toy-new-power/ (http://ultrararespacehighfive.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/old-toy-new-power/)

Yes sir, that would JPCSP. The game is fully playable, save for a small performance dip when the levels start. SotN on the other hand has massive bits of slowdown in the emulator. Weird stuff. :P
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Post by: Lelygax on March 18, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
Thanks for let me know that, the last time that I tested DXC in this emulator years ago it have a lot of graphical glitches, good to know that this emulator have improved so much. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 18, 2013, 01:28:50 PM
PSP emulation is clunky at its best. Really, not woth the hassle. Hope it improves though.

You wanted Castlevania? HERE COMES CASTLEVANIA

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on March 18, 2013, 01:40:12 PM
Someone with a good PC can post some pics of Judgement in 1080p with filters and all?
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Post by: Foffy on March 18, 2013, 01:55:40 PM
Someone with a good PC can post some pics of Judgement in 1080p with filters and all?

Filters? GameCube/Wii games don't really have filter support on their better video plugins, but they do have a scaler. This is Judgment running at 2112p. It's only scaled down due to my PC resolution.

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As for PSP emulation, it depends on the games. Some games work quite well, where others barely work at all. It's not like PS2/GC/Wii emulation where most games simply work out of the box. Audio is a big issue with PSP emulation, too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on March 18, 2013, 02:12:32 PM
Hey, thanks Foffy, I said filters because I dont know what they use in this emulator to get better graphics since my PC at home doesn't even open this emulator, also I didn't knew that a resolution better than 1080p existed, some know what is the best resolution that exist in actual days?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on March 18, 2013, 02:18:39 PM
Hey, thanks Foffy, I said filters because I dont know what they use in this emulator to get better graphics since my PC at home doesn't even open this emulator, also I didn't knew that a resolution better than 1080p existed, some know what is the best resolution that exist in actual days?

Actual resolution? Well, for regular commercial television displays, 1080p is the current bar. PCs can often render graphics at above that resolution and scale downwards, a technique referred to as downsampling. Emulators with a scaler can often do this.

The best resolution you can get today could be a 4k television, but those cost thousands of dollars. The lowest price of those is one by Sharp, costing an incredibly cheap price of around $5,000.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on March 18, 2013, 02:25:57 PM
Wow, that resolution is insane. Our eyes really need that much? That seems quite exaggerated to me.
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Post by: crisis on March 18, 2013, 02:27:34 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on March 18, 2013, 02:35:52 PM
Its very wrong that I read COX instead of CSX at first and it still made sense to me? lol
Also sorry for derailing the topic.
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Post by: uzo on March 18, 2013, 03:13:03 PM
Its very wrong that I read COX instead of CSX at first and it still made sense to me? lol

Hahaha. It's perfect too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 22, 2013, 09:11:48 PM
New info from spanish interview: LoS2 will have 3 HOURS of cutscenes.
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Post by: Pfil on March 22, 2013, 11:39:54 PM
Stories from both games were neither good nor bad in my opinion, but anyway I really liked both endings. I liked better the story from Mirror of Fate because it is more tragic and handled with sensibility, and Trevor's ending is to me, so far, the pinnacle of the MS games, together with the castle from Mirror of Fate.
Perhaps the fact of the story being shorter contributed to a better story, so I don't know what to think about 3 hours of cutscenes.
But, about the main topic, I really hope LoS 2 retain the look of MoF's castle, because, in fact, I enjoyed it. It wasn't perfect, as I stated on another thread, but it was very nice to look at, especially some backgrounds.
If they use this approach and take advantage of next gen graphics, visuals of this game could turn out to be outstanding.
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Post by: Flame on March 23, 2013, 12:17:50 AM
I'm expecting LoS2 to be pretty big in scale. It's a console game, not relegated and limited to a handheld, so it has much more room to breathe and flex it's muscles.
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Post by: Gaawa-chan on March 23, 2013, 12:58:44 AM
PSP emulation is clunky at its best. Really, not woth the hassle. Hope it improves though.

You wanted Castlevania? HERE COMES CASTLEVANIA

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on March 23, 2013, 01:10:12 AM
Please do it, I want see more of this awesomeness. :p
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Post by: Gaawa-chan on March 23, 2013, 01:20:16 AM
Please do it, I want see more of this awesomeness. :p

Right.  I can do the credits of Normal and Joachim Mode tonight if you give me a little while; I'm kind of OCD so it will probably take me a bit longer than it would if someone else was doing it. XD  I've already got post-game saves of those two run-throughs.  I can probably get through Pumpkin or Crazy Mode this weekend, but I dunno if I'll have time to do both. X_X
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Post by: Lelygax on March 23, 2013, 01:24:05 AM
Take your time and try to have some fun while at that. I've never beaten LoI or CoD so almost any screenshot will be new to me. xD
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 23, 2013, 01:50:16 AM
Wow, I'd like to see those too.
I played LoI on the PS2 for both Leon and Joachim and I never stopped to look at the pictures.

Anyway, back to topic.
New info from spanish interview: LoS2 will have 3 HOURS of cutscenes.

I hope those 3 hours will be meaningful.
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Post by: Lelygax on March 23, 2013, 01:53:19 AM
I hope those 3 hours doesnt mean less 3 hours of gameplay or 1 hour of these 3 being QTEs.
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Post by: Gaawa-chan on March 23, 2013, 02:05:35 AM
Did Joachim's credits first.  The first pic was right after I opened my save in the save room and the rest are from the credits.  I took three images of the second credits pic; in the first pic, you can see him in the background, and I pasted the other two together so you get a clear view of his face because text is always over some part of his face in that pic. >_>

Tell me if they came out okay; I'm not very familiar with the program I'm using.  First pic looks rather pixel-ish to me:

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I'll do Leon's next.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 23, 2013, 02:06:25 AM
I hope those 3 hours doesnt mean less 3 hours of gameplay or 1 hour of these 3 being QTEs.

OUCH! QTEs!
Good Lord please no more QTEs....
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Post by: Lelygax on March 23, 2013, 02:16:02 AM
OUCH! QTEs!
Good Lord please no more QTEs....
Heh Good "Lord", I see what you didn't do there xD

These screens are good, a little grainy to me (it can be my eyes though), but still good.
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Post by: Gaawa-chan on March 23, 2013, 02:41:54 AM
These screens are good, a little grainy to me (it can be my eyes though), but still good.

I'll have to fiddle with it.

*Beats up the grim reaper with squeaky shoes and whip* Here are some random cut-scene screens and the credit pics from Leon's credits.  Disappointing compared to the alternate character mode pics (Pumpkin has an awesome credit pic in particular), but someone might like them:

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There's a special pic at the end of Crazy Mode, so I'll nab that one when I do it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 23, 2013, 08:28:00 AM
I hope those 3 hours doesnt mean less 3 hours of gameplay or 1 hour of these 3 being QTEs.
Dammit! I came here to post exactly this... :(

But seriously... fuck QTEs. There's 0 excuses for this, it's never well implemented and never will be well implemented. Next gen should make them extinct.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 23, 2013, 08:58:00 AM
Next gen have already found their replacements for QTE's.

They're called STE's (slow time events) in which the button prompts don't appear but time slows down for you to do a certain action during a cutscene. See Beyond Two Souls for more examples.
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Post by: VladCT on March 23, 2013, 09:03:54 AM
So kinda like MGR's Blade Mode?
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Post by: Maedhros on March 23, 2013, 09:18:54 AM
Next gen have already found their replacements for QTE's.

They're called STE's (slow time events) in which the button prompts don't appear but time slows down for you to do a certain action during a cutscene. See Beyond Two Souls for more examples.
If the control is on the hand of the player and they aren't abused, GREAT.

Button prompt's only? NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 23, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
Next gen have already found their replacements for QTE's.

They're called STE's (slow time events) in which the button prompts don't appear but time slows down for you to do a certain action during a cutscene. See Beyond Two Souls for more examples.
Okay, is this TRUE? Remember, this is an idea I proposed a bit ago? I said, if there are QTE, I want freedom to be in the hands of the player, and THEY get to choose what to do in situations and how they want to play. If they want to kick someone in the face, they can do that, but if they want to headbutt instead, they can do that too. I remember I mentioned how I want a CV with "free blade" esque whip swinging (inspired by the limp whip of SCV4). If this type of thing becomes popular, and QTE DIES a horrible death, I just might have a new perspective of the industry and new hopes for the future.  :)
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Post by: Kingshango on March 23, 2013, 01:57:48 PM
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Okay, is this TRUE?

Yes, Quantic Dreams (the makers of the QTE centric Heavy Rain) new game Beyond Two Souls uses this instead of QTE's. Another game that apparently does this is The Last of Us, only there's no slow mo in that. Even God Of War Ascension tried something like it even though that game still had button prompt's on the screen.

Hopefully this catches on and button prompt QTE's can go away but I got a feeling that it'll happen later rather than sooner. :-\
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Post by: Lelygax on March 23, 2013, 03:09:17 PM
If they love QTE so much, why they didn't do a new Dragon's Lair and call all programers that loves QTE to do it? This could be more masochistic than Dragon's Lair 2. xD
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Post by: shelverton. on March 23, 2013, 04:15:19 PM
If they love QTE so much, why they didn't do a new Dragon's Lair and call all programers that loves QTE to do it? This could be more masochistic than Dragon's Lair 2. xD

All these QTE-happy developers should definitely come together and make a Dragon's Lair game together. Just pour every little QTE idea they have in their body and be done with it. Get it out of their systems. Then we can all finally move on!  :D
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 23, 2013, 04:22:24 PM
All these QTE-happy developers should definitely come together and make a Dragon's Lair game together. Just pour every little QTE idea they have in their body and be done with it. Get it out of their systems. Then we can all finally move on!  :D
It really IS something that needs to die. And I'm being blunt, but serious. STE, IMO, would be the natural evolution from QTE. A perfected evolution. Anything that can keep a tight idea as well as relinquish freedom back to the hands of the player is, IMO, a preferred, or even IDEAL evolution in gameplay.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 24, 2013, 02:28:12 AM
If STE is the future, then I am willing to try it.
As long as the power is in my hands.
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Post by: Munchy on March 24, 2013, 11:18:31 AM
As much as some of my recent favorite games have used them (namely Bayonetta and Metal Gear Revengeance), yeah I wouldn't be sad at all if they disappeared.

I like it when you don't need an on screen prompt to know what buttons to press please.
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Post by: Lelygax on March 24, 2013, 11:35:21 AM
Like in the old REs?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 24, 2013, 03:36:09 PM
So Alucard has white hair and looks like a monster because he hasn't ever fed. If he fed he would look like Trevor again. Interesting info.
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Post by: shelverton. on March 24, 2013, 03:57:32 PM
So Alucard has white hair and looks like a monster because he hasn't ever fed. If he fed he would look like Trevor again. Interesting info.

Oh really?
But he can finish enemies off in MoF by feeding on them, can't he?
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Post by: Kingshango on March 24, 2013, 04:05:14 PM
Something I noticed in the VGA trailer is that from the few seconds of gameplay, Gabriel looks like his old self  (only with red eyes) after feeding on a soldier. Either this is nice attention to detail or it's another case of cutscene model looking different from the gameplay model.
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Post by: Flame on March 24, 2013, 04:28:07 PM
Oh really?
But he can finish enemies off in MoF by feeding on them, can't he?
Probably the only source of blood he feeds from. Other monsters.
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Post by: Pfil on March 24, 2013, 05:49:08 PM
Oh really?
But he can finish enemies off in MoF by feeding on them, can't he?
I also found no sense in Alucard's appearance, since he was beautiful as Trevor and then became a monster, but Gabriel remained handsome when turned into a vampire (even when he was just newly turned into a vampire in LoS).
I didn't know about that feeding explanation, but it seems a little far-fetched to me.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 24, 2013, 05:59:12 PM
I also found no sense in Alucard's appearance, since he was beautiful as Trevor and then became a monster, but Gabriel remained handsome when turned into a vampire (even when he was just newly turned into a vampire in LoS).
I didn't know about that feeding explanation, but it seems a little far-fetched to me.

Well the Mirror of Fate graphics ingame did not do Alucard justice IMO.

Judging by the artwork, Alucard/Trevor still retained his good looks.

I'm pretty confident that he will look better in LOS2, more akin to his artwork appearance.

Just compare the looks between the artwork and game and you can see the difference.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 24, 2013, 06:33:38 PM
I also found no sense in Alucard's appearance, since he was beautiful as Trevor and then became a monster, but Gabriel remained handsome when turned into a vampire (even when he was just newly turned into a vampire in LoS).
He took ALL of Laura's blood. In other words, he completely bypassed any and all stages of the chain, and went straight to full fledged high vampire.

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I didn't know about that feeding explanation, but it seems a little far-fetched to me.

Given that Gabe looks like shit after not having fed in centuries, it makes more sense than you think. I mean, Assuming Dracul has no problem with feeding on blood, (he had completely embraced what he has become- he even got himself a fancy new outfit) he would retain his looks for as long as he feeds now and then. Alucard on the other hand, seems to have turned under different circumstances. For one, his change was not voluntary, unless by being dead it doesn't have to be, and he skipped all stages as well, skipping the monstrous man-bat phase.

Back to theory here, but maybe because he is of Gabe's blood he doesn't need to go through them? Either way, probably something to do with being dead, or because he didn't bypass ALL stages, and went to a close enough stage. (more corpse-looking, but not a bat man)
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 24, 2013, 06:36:55 PM
Oh really?
But he can finish enemies off in MoF by feeding on them, can't he?
I think he needs human blood to look human.. no?
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 26, 2013, 06:07:56 AM
I think he needs human blood to look human.. no?

Yup yup. Confirmed by Cox in twitter.
@CastlevaniaLOS Sir good day i have a Q if Alucard drinks human blood He will look like Trevor again,just like Gabs am I right Sir?
@ryanfaustria22 - You are right, sir!


Oh and some info tidbits that you guys might want to know.

@CastlevaniaLOS ending of CLOS.1 it seemed Gabriel wanted release from immortality rather than revenge.
@SameerMonier - Exactly...and Zobek offered him a deal. A deal he will accept...

@CastlevaniaLOS Is there going to be narration For LOS 2 , Dracula or alucard maybe ???
@Malik_Zubailah - Not this time...
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Post by: Flame on March 26, 2013, 11:20:01 AM
Aww, no zobek narration
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Post by: crisis on March 26, 2013, 12:20:26 PM
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@CastlevaniaLOS Is there going to be narration For LOS 2 , Dracula or alucard maybe ???
@Malik_Zubailah - Not this time...

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 27, 2013, 09:27:21 PM
Yup yup. Confirmed by Cox in twitter.
@CastlevaniaLOS Sir good day i have a Q if Alucard drinks human blood He will look like Trevor again,just like Gabs am I right Sir?
@ryanfaustria22 - You are right, sir!
Hmm.. Genya Arikado anyone?
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 27, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Hmm.. Genya Arikado anyone?

yea that is the first thing that came to mind when I thought about the possibility of Alucard in the current day since we know that LOS2 will be split into 2 different time periods.

The only one involving Alucard we have seen so far is the one that seems to be around the medieval times with Alucard.

And if the human blood thing is right than I could totally picture a more human looking Alucard disguised as a Genja arikado type character in the present time waiting on the possibility of his father returning.
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Post by: Flame on March 27, 2013, 10:55:42 PM
That's assuming he ever touches Human blood.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 27, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
That's assuming he ever touches Human blood.

But judging by Cox's statement it would seem likely.

Why even hint at the possibility if it were not?


And I will agree on the notion that it seems unlikely that Trevor/Alucard would drink human blood, but maybe something happens that forces him to do so?
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 28, 2013, 12:41:55 AM
And I will agree on the notion that it seems unlikely that Trevor/Alucard would drink human blood, but maybe something happens that forces him to do so?

Ah that is something that can be incorporated in the story.

From the hints he has been giving...
I believe Cox will make the Battle of 1999.
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 28, 2013, 01:48:51 AM
Ah that is something that can be incorporated in the story.

From the hints he has been giving...
I believe Cox will make the Battle of 1999.

Hmmm. Julius or a brand new belmont. time will only tell but, man Los2... ahh my stomach when I think about it.... It has to be good redeem your self's MS.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 28, 2013, 01:53:46 AM
Hmmm. Julius or a brand new belmont. time will only tell but, man Los2... ahh my stomach when I think about it.... It has to be good redeem your self's MS.

Since MS is fond of recycling Belmont names (except for Gabe), I'd say, Julius.
Yeah, MS should better redeem themselves with this. A lot of things are on the line here.
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 28, 2013, 02:11:32 AM
Since MS is fond of recycling Belmont names (except for Gabe), I'd say, Julius.
Yeah, MS should better redeem themselves with this. A lot of things are on the line here.

MoF in the end hit me in a very, very odd way. I have a big love,hate relationship very 50/50 with it but hey, Richard Madden FTW. Yes people I'll admit the one thing mof made me accept maybe even "like" was a character I loath... Love the Trevor, yet the.... Alucard ehh but Madden sounds way to awesome to ignore. Yet one thing, one aspect does not make up for the overall experience which is something I just cannot explain.

On the plus(other) side my six year old niece likes this game and has been playing it by herself with very little to no help. she said the first boss IIRC with Simon looks like the guys from mad tv on cartoon network those spy vs spy segments.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 28, 2013, 03:01:48 AM
MoF in the end hit me in a very, very odd way. I have a big love,hate relationship very 50/50 with it but hey, Richard Madden FTW. Yes people I'll admit the one thing mof made me accept maybe even "like" was a character I loath... Love the Trevor, yet the.... Alucard ehh but Madden sounds way to awesome to ignore. Yet one thing, one aspect does not make up for the overall experience which is something I just cannot explain.

On the plus(other) side my six year old niece likes this game and has been playing it by herself with very little to no help. she said the first boss with Simon looks like the guys from mad tv on cartoon network those spy vs spy segments IIRC she said something about mad.

MoF was weird for me, usually I replay CV games but this, nah... Plus this phrase keeps on playing in my head while traversing MoF's castle ~la di dah~ I died, so what~
I would agree Trevor is awesome, yet I did not like Alucard's character design in MoF (I am hoping MS redeems themselves with this aspect on LoS2).
At least your niece likes the game. You have a young vampire hunter to train.  ;)
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on March 29, 2013, 08:05:05 AM
I was surfing on youtube, when i came across this:
Dark Music - Path to Darkness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_IRiEQdtA#ws)

Don't tell me that he doesn't look like Alucard from LoS 2?

Maybe he is the composer? (J/K)
But he does have nice original melodies, like those that they could work for the game:
Dark Music - Nocturnus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzMAwJ6OhI4#ws)
Dark Film Music - Reign of the Dark (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6me8wZ0whg#ws)

OK, this one sounds like the music from Mirror of Fates, but with the difference that's more cool from the one that plays on MoF:
Dark Music - Twisted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcEizDACxNk#ws)
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 29, 2013, 10:59:50 AM
First dude is Arthas from W3, right?
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on March 29, 2013, 01:26:59 PM
First dude is Arthas from W3, right?

No........all artwork on his videos is made from his girlfriend, they are original.
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Post by: Flame on March 29, 2013, 02:01:28 PM
That shoukd probably be in the "I can't believe it's not Castlevania" music thread
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on March 29, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
That shoukd probably be in the "I can't believe it's not Castlevania" music thread

I know, but instead of posting it there, i thought because of the similarity of the person from the picture with Alucard and the last track that sounds like from MoF, that it fits better here.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 30, 2013, 06:49:02 AM
Cox twitterama~

@CastlevaniaLOS Mr. Cox, please answer me. Will Los 2 be released in early 2013 or late 2013?
@jacobtylerscott - or 2014?

AHA!

@CastlevaniaLOS on a wiki you stated Dracula can summon the energy whip because he has a shard of the combat cross stuck in hand? T or f??
@IamtheDracul - False
@CastlevaniaLOS Thnx Dave! whip powered by blood, shadow magic, or void?  Oh and will Dracula be able to block using his coat like in mof?
@IamtheDracul - You will see... :)

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Post by: Flame on March 30, 2013, 09:25:35 AM
Oh the teases, the teases...
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Post by: shelverton. on April 03, 2013, 03:46:33 PM
Last night I dreamt that this game was cancelled. It was announced at some kind of wedding by a priest. He said that Mirror of Fate didn't sell well enough and that it was someone called "Alberto" that was behind it. Everyone cried and there were pictures of puppies shown on a huge screen. The puppies and "Alberto" made perfect sense in the dream but now I have absolutely no idea what it had to do with anything. I think puppies were a big part of the Castlevania legacy somehow cause it felt completely natural.

I need to get out more.
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Post by: Lelygax on April 03, 2013, 04:49:42 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc09.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Fi%2F2012%2F191%2Fb%2F7%2Fcastlevania_gabriel_and_doggie_by_satoakiamatatsu-d56pjku.jpg&hash=e10e3d05965645bd10da9622d09c2478)

http://satoakiamatatsu.deviantart.com/art/Gabriel-and-doggie-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-313600350 (http://satoakiamatatsu.deviantart.com/art/Gabriel-and-doggie-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-313600350)
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Post by: Dremn on April 03, 2013, 05:23:04 PM
Shame there isn't a lot of fan artwork for MoF.
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Post by: Munchy on April 03, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I wonder if it's the same dog from Silent Hill 2.

Now I want LoS2 to have a dog ending.
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Post by: VladCT on April 03, 2013, 10:52:28 PM
Looking at the comments, it is.
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Post by: Lelygax on April 03, 2013, 11:30:29 PM
Exactly. I didnt said it before because I thought everyone would click the link. xD
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Post by: Flame on April 04, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
It still bugs me that the brotherhood symbol is a stylized skull. You'd think a cross would be more appropriate, but no, "let's put SKULLS on our outfits! That'll surely show we represent God!"

Maybe I'm reading way too into it, but It bugs me.
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Post by: VladCT on April 04, 2013, 02:57:21 AM
Or maybe they think God was in His Death Metal phase, I dunno.
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Post by: Dremn on April 04, 2013, 08:47:25 PM
It still bugs me that the brotherhood symbol is a stylized skull. You'd think a cross would be more appropriate, but no, "let's put SKULLS on our outfits! That'll surely show we represent God!"

Maybe I'm reading way too into it, but It bugs me.
Probably because the Brotherhood's true intentions are shadier than we think, but yea making a skull your cult icon is a little dumb if you're trying to promote peace and protection.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on April 05, 2013, 01:24:28 AM
Probably because the Brotherhood's true intentions are shadier than we think, but yea making a skull your cult icon is a little dumb if you're trying to promote peace and protection.

Their intentions are truly shady.
Our present society predominantly associates skulls with death and evil. However, to some ancient societies it is believed to have had the opposite association, where objects like crystal skulls represent "life": the honoring of humanity in the flesh and the embodiment of consciousness.
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Post by: Lelygax on April 05, 2013, 07:58:33 AM
Skulls represent peace, if you take the phrase "rest in peace" in a twisted way.
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Post by: Flame on April 05, 2013, 07:51:45 PM
I was going to suggest that it may be one of those things where skulls do not represent evil in older ancient societies (bone ossuaries exist, for example, and those weren't considered "evil")
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on April 27, 2013, 06:07:03 AM
So, Konami's twitter page posted this:

Konami ‏@Konami
Are you ready for the return of The Dragon?
Relive the Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 VGA trailer & get preapred! http://youtu.be/wmmTlVFJbGk (http://youtu.be/wmmTlVFJbGk)
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Post by: Maedhros on April 27, 2013, 03:30:09 PM
I am excited. Hopefully, they'll show us some gameplay this time.
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Post by: shelverton. on April 27, 2013, 05:39:23 PM

I just hope the Darksiders/Arkham City comparisons were true. This game desperately needs to be more like those games, and less like God of War, in my opinion. But I doubt it. It's probably gonna feel very familiar, albeit with more super powers for Gabula.
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Post by: Flame on April 27, 2013, 06:37:40 PM
I still don't get the comparison. It never felt like GoW to me...
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Post by: Maedhros on April 27, 2013, 06:58:08 PM
I still don't get the comparison. It never felt like GoW to me...
Maybe you never played a GoW game...

Just like Dante's Inferno or Bayonneta felt like GoW. All of them with their own differences, but from a gameplay view, they're pretty much the same.
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Post by: Gecko on April 27, 2013, 07:26:45 PM
I agree with Flame. Granted, I've only played the first God of War, so the sequels may be more like LoS and I wouldn't know.

But Bayonetta feeling God of War? Sorry, you've really lost me there Maedhros. It's your opinion, and that's fine. I just don't see it. It seems a lot like saying Megaman and Contra feel like the same basic game. Sure they have things in common; sidescroller, shoot things, bosses... but they're two very different beasts.
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Post by: Maedhros on April 27, 2013, 07:55:18 PM
Are you guys serious?

Tank physics jumps.
Press button to connect on a hook the chain whip/chain blade in case of Kratos.
White Ledges in both games. The difference is that in LoS you go up with along with the chain, just a case of different animation.
Combo/Stylish combat/aerial combos. Some of the combos are even the same, the difference is on the weapon used and that they got their own systems.
QTE Brutal kills.

The setting and level design was different, but in gameplay, I don't see the many differences on both games. They are pretty similar.

Your comparison with Megaman and Contra was pretty invalid, as they are completely different games despite both being sidescrollers. Of course LoS and GoW are both action games. That's not what I'm disputing here.
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Post by: Flame on April 27, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
Bayonneta felt like GoW. ...from a gameplay view, they're pretty much the same.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi887.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac71%2FFlame-G102%2Fpost%2520stuff%2F1274939523019.jpg&hash=ca0bf4def23b636f98d439b39c30c444)
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Post by: Maedhros on April 27, 2013, 07:58:56 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi887.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac71%2FFlame-G102%2Fpost%2520stuff%2F1274939523019.jpg&hash=ca0bf4def23b636f98d439b39c30c444)
YEah, Bayonetta was stretching it a bit. But the point stands with GoW and Dante's Inferno.
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Post by: Neobelmont on April 27, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
YEah, Bayonetta was stretching it a bit. But the point stands with GoW and Dante's Inferno.

At one point I did hear about DI being worked on by some guys who did work on gow but that was some time ago. My memory is foggy so I can't really say anymore than this.
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Post by: uzo on April 27, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
Dude, they're totally the same games really for sure. You guy a person on the screen, and you run around and fight shit, and press the buttons to do cool things.

God, why cant you people see it. It's so obvious.

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Kingshango on April 27, 2013, 08:57:37 PM
One of my main concerns (amongst others) is how is the platforming gonna be handled. No doubt that Gabriel will still be shimmying but his shimmy speed better be like x50 faster than his snail paced speed from the first game. There should be no excuse for Gabriel, now turned badass superpowered vampire Dracula, to still be slow while shimmying, especially since he can possibly fly in game.

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Post by: Ahasverus on April 27, 2013, 09:02:02 PM
Bayonneta felt like GoW
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F59Vt6.gif&hash=533b758ea766b3709826f6fe7491fa5d)
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 27, 2013, 09:56:28 PM
One of my main concerns (amongst others) is how is the platforming gonna be handled. No doubt that Gabriel will still be shimmying but his shimmy speed better be like x50 faster than his snail paced speed from the first game. There should be no excuse for Gabriel, now turned badass superpowered vampire Dracula, to still be slow while shimmying, especially since he can possibly fly in game.
This is one of the problems I see not being addressed. If they DO address it, they'll lift my eyebrows. Dracula's supposed to be inhumanly strong, inhumanly fast and could do things, well, INHUMAN. Quite frankly, shimmying would be AGAINST his entire BEING. Why would Dracula need to shimmy? He's fuckin the vampire DARK LORD, ass kicker extraordinaire. If Dracula somehow has to resort to plank-walking, shimmying and careful ledge climbing, afraid of falling because if he FALLS a great distance, HE(Dracula) will sustain "fall damage", his entire reason of being will be reverted to the most pussiest of vampires since the Twilight saga.
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Post by: Flame on April 27, 2013, 10:44:31 PM
Well, it's possible that they may do modern time de-powered Dracula so there is an excuse for an actual game and not just "Lol I'm Dracula game over"

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Post by: shelverton. on April 28, 2013, 02:22:17 AM
All I said was that I wish this game was more like Darksiders/Arkham City and less like God of War. Cause to me, GoW is the game that is the easiest to compare it too. And I actually like GoW style games, but for the next Castlevania I'd like focus on exploration, hence the Darksiders/Arkham comparison. There's nothing wrong in comparing things, IMO. In fact, it's what I always do. But whatever.

Sometimes people are overly sensitive when you compare video games. It's like "How DARE you compare Call of Duty with Battlefield!? They have NOTHING in common!"

...o...k...
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 28, 2013, 04:57:56 AM
All I want with LoS2 is to have young Dracula (no the old) to be super powerful. With super attacks, no need to climb or some stuff Gabriel had to do. He's now (one of) the most powerful things in the universe, so come on.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 28, 2013, 08:37:27 AM
Judging by the two trailers, I don't think we'll have to worry too much about young Dracula not being super powerful.

Unless Cutscene power is in effect and that gameplay is a different story. :-\
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Post by: Neobelmont on April 28, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
Is it odd that after MoF my hype for this is not as high as it use to be?

My anticipation for this has really been lowered  :(

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Post by: Ahasverus on April 28, 2013, 01:22:40 PM
Is it odd that after MoF my hype for this is not as high as it use to be?

My anticipation for this has really been lowered  :(
Mine too. But I trust a little more the A team of MS. Márquez is no Araújo.
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Post by: shelverton. on April 28, 2013, 02:01:32 PM
I dunno why I'm still a little bit hyped for this game. Maybe I'm more curious than genuinely hyped though. It's just interesting to see how much Mercury Steam has learnt, and how much they've fixed from the first LoS, based on feedback from fans and reviews. I doubt it's gonna be vastly different but maybe a little bit more...fun? I want gameplay videos naow!
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Post by: Kingshango on April 28, 2013, 02:05:53 PM
Is it odd that after MoF my hype for this is not as high as it use to be?

My anticipation for this has really been lowered  :(



I think it's more to do with the lack of info on the game, I can't find any holes out their either so they're keeping info on this game air tight. All that's know is that's known is that the game is structured like Darksiders and Arkham City and that the gameplay has been changed a bit from LOS1 and MoF.

I keep my hype stabilized by watching this over and over and thinking of the possibilities

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - Exclusive Debut Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUcUz5Vo6iw#ws)

Can you believe it's almost been a year since this debuted?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 28, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
Well, it's possible that they may do modern time de-powered Dracula so there is an excuse for an actual game and not just "Lol I'm Dracula game over"
Excuse, sure, but it's still a cheapo way of doing things. It's the generic sequel concept where, while in the previous installment, you've attained some sort of badass powers, the next one does that "Yeah, all those powers you had, they're gone now! Time to build yourself up again!!!". That's a horrid cliche. But even more so horrible because this is Dracu-fuckin-LA! Why would I want to play as a feeble vampire lord who can't break barrels or who adds to list that one of his vampire weaknesses is "falling from heights". Yeah.... no thank you. Might as well make him sparkle in the sunlight!

I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but my god, I just find it ridiculously stupid having a vampire that must be "careful not to fall" because he'll DIE. The thought of a vampire falling off a cliff like Wile E Coyote just makes me laugh and cry at the same time, especially if that vampire is supposed to be the most badass one in the CV world.

The only way I'd be fine with this is if after Dracula falls to his death, a subtitle comes on screen and you hear Patrick Stewart say, "This really did not happen. Dracula can't fall in such a meager way....", then you see a close-up of the corpse and it has YOUR face on it, and Patrick continues, "It's you!! YOU'RE the one that SUCKS!!!", then "Game Over".  ;D

Though, the right way to do it, IMO, is to KNOW that Dracula's not the same Gabriel of the first game, and admit everything's going to be different because of that. Switch up the play mechanic, no more fall damage, no more shimmying. There could be other obsticles(new obsticles do to the new way of playing), but trying to replicate the LoS's play style simply for those comfortable with it, I just don't see that as beneficial. They can keep combos, though maybe make enemies weaker(because Dracula's a BEAST), which IMO was always something I thought they SHOULD'VE done since the first game. Make more verticle areas, make Dracula jump higher, glide or such, and if he DOES fall off areas, he isn't damaged by the fall but carefully placed traps(spikes and such). No bullshit "C'mon weak Drac, time to search the world and regain ALL your powers again so you could fight Satan in the epic final battle".
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Post by: Neobelmont on April 28, 2013, 02:57:03 PM
I think it's more to do with the lack of info on the game, I can't find any holes out their either so they're keeping info on this game air tight. All that's know is that's known is that the game is structured like Darksiders and Arkham City and that the gameplay has been changed a bit from LOS1 and MoF.

I keep my hype stabilized by watching this over and over and thinking of the possibilities

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - Exclusive Debut Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUcUz5Vo6iw#ws)

Can you believe it's almost been a year since this debuted?

It's really been almost a year wow. I try to tell my self guys and gals that it will be okay but with that recent article, and mof being lackluster. I'am just drowning in doubt compared to when LoS came out I was high in the heavens( I wanted to thank kojima in person for helping but alas it was something left unsaid along with a 3d  Gradius.I blame my self in so many was on this if you played ZoE2 you know KP can make a 3d gradius if not just search up zoradius IIRC that is the name of the game). I'm just ahh you know that giant los2 sig pic I had gone for a cute girl with blue hair(heh not going to complain about that  ;) ) But till the end when new info comes I'm updating the page.
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Post by: crisis on April 28, 2013, 03:57:47 PM
Quote
LoS is a GoW clone

This has been stated on the internet for quite a while, and honestly, it's insulting to God of War. Lords certainly borrows a lot of God of War's ideas (QTE's, brutal attacks/deathblows, character maneuverability, etc.), but the game makes no attempt to make them better (which should be the point of borrowing other game's ideas in the first place). Having played every GoW game released (including the 2D cellphone version, not like it matters), I feel Kratos handles more smoothly than Gabriel, and the gameplay in GoW as a whole is more intuitive and satisfying. So to call it an exact clone isn't really accurate. Lords of Shadow is a notch or 2 below God of War's standards, in my opinion. I've never played Dante's Inferno or Bayonetta so I won't comment on those comparisons. And to be honest, QTE's have been in every GoW game, whereas QTE's just don't belong in a Castlevania game. Yet I'm sure Lords of Shadow 2 will include them anyway. The least they can do is implement them where they actually make sense and don't interfere with the pacing (for instance, was it necessary to add a QTE right at the moment when Claudia throws the crystal 50 feet in the air for Gabriel to catch, just to smash it on the Titan's forehead? That is just ridiculous, and that's just 1 example).
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Post by: Flame on April 28, 2013, 05:00:51 PM
Is it odd that after MoF my hype for this is not as high as it use to be?

My anticipation for this has really been lowered  :(
It's probably for the best for Hype to be at a moderate level. That way one is not disappointed when the game does not deliver up to hype and expectations.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on April 28, 2013, 05:41:20 PM
Dude, they're totally the same games really for sure. You guy a person on the screen, and you run around and fight shit, and press the buttons to do cool things.

God, why cant you people see it. It's so obvious.

(click to show/hide)
See, that's exactly the fuck point. I said that they play similar, not that they are bad games. I don't really know how the fuck you got that from my post.

All I said was that I wish this game was more like Darksiders/Arkham City and less like God of War. Cause to me, GoW is the game that is the easiest to compare it too. And I actually like GoW style games, but for the next Castlevania I'd like focus on exploration, hence the Darksiders/Arkham comparison. There's nothing wrong in comparing things, IMO. In fact, it's what I always do. But whatever.

Sometimes people are overly sensitive when you compare video games. It's like "How DARE you compare Call of Duty with Battlefield!? They have NOTHING in common!"

...o...k...

God, THANK.YOU!

Holy shit, you guys are really sensitive and like to read into lines so much.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on April 28, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
I've never played Darksiders & Arkham Asylum, either. I've been missing out on a lot of good games for some reason, lol
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Post by: crisis on April 28, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
What's with all this downvoting? Butt-hurt fans much?  :rollseyes:

Anyway 1 thing I am looking forward to in LoS2 is the game dialogue/script. Am I the only 1 that thought LoS had some excellent quotes?

"Look at you.. you revel in death!"
"Reap the whirlwinds, scions of death! For hear comes the Prince of Darkness."
"I cannot die.. yet, I cannot live."
"Father, I come for you. Before the end, you will bow down before me!"
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Post by: Kingshango on April 28, 2013, 07:32:55 PM
I've never played Darksiders & Arkham Asylum, either. I've been missing out on a lot of good games for some reason, lol

If your a fan of Batman and love Metroidvania's, you owe it to yourself to play Arkham Asylum and Arkham City, highly recommend them both.

And Darksiders is more like a Zelda game (if Miyamoto decided to make a grimdark Zelda title) and that it has and big emphasis on exploration (and it has very little QTE's aside from single button prompts, no press X to not die QTE's). Darksiders 2 is also good as well with an even bigger world to explore and a more refined combat system, ( probably the best combat system I've seen in a western game) better customizationand loot, lots and lots of loot.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on April 28, 2013, 07:57:09 PM
I have restored the balance. +1 to all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on April 30, 2013, 12:43:59 AM
This is a fake right? I hope not.  it's 12:44 here so my mind is not working right now....

Castlevania Lords Of Shadow 2 Bloody Tears Extended (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YbckKuREB8#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on April 30, 2013, 01:41:11 AM
Fake. I've heard this remix before somewhere.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on April 30, 2013, 09:26:54 AM
This is a fake right? I hope not.  it's 12:44 here so my mind is not working right now....

Castlevania Lords Of Shadow 2 Bloody Tears Extended (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YbckKuREB8#)
See Araujo, this is how you make orchestrations.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 30, 2013, 09:34:15 AM
Speaking of the soundtrack, I wonder how the epic atmospheric type music is gonna work in the modern times? I can't really see a roaring orchestral sound playing while Dracula is nonchalantly walking down the street seconds away from causing chaos.

On second thought, im guessing this why they're going with a electronic synth and orchestral sound.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Briraka on May 01, 2013, 01:10:13 PM
So Dracula's goal is to become the Prince of Darkness...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuserserve-ak.last.fm%2Fserve%2F_%2F10730049%2FOzzy%2BOsbourne%2Bj.jpg&hash=8e78fc5248ada4fb602b0851e68f8d39)
... looks like he's going to have some tough competition.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on May 01, 2013, 02:32:24 PM
This is a fake right? I hope not.  it's 12:44 here so my mind is not working right now....

Castlevania Lords Of Shadow 2 Bloody Tears Extended (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YbckKuREB8#)
This sounds sooo fake. Think about how this track drags on. It's not even that great if you ask me. More importantly, where exactly would this track fit in LOS2? I would imagine something like this would of worked in the first LOS but definitely not in the sequel with the whole modern setting and all. With that said, I am pretty disappointed in the reviews for Mirror of Fate.The fact that MecuryStream has shown barely anything gameplay wise for LOS2 since that trailer leaves alot to  be desired. I am hoping they learned from the mistakes of Mirror of Fate and LOS and third time's a charm!
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Post by: Flame on May 01, 2013, 07:12:05 PM
Superior orchestrated version:

Castlevania - Bloody Tears Orchestra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTMRtIrMCbA#ws)
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Post by: A-Yty on May 01, 2013, 08:58:22 PM
This is a fake right? I hope not.  it's 12:44 here so my mind is not working right now....

Castlevania Lords Of Shadow 2 Bloody Tears Extended (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YbckKuREB8#)

Isn't that D.C. Izumi's version of Bloody Tears? Only it's dragged out and the sound is a little cheap (considering it's an orchestra version).
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Post by: Kingshango on May 09, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
The hype train is revving it's engine
Quote from:  Dave Cox
Nice preview of Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 in @edgeonline magazine this month.

When's the exact date do Edge normally put out their new issues?
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 09, 2013, 06:54:31 PM
Speaking of the soundtrack, I wonder how the epic atmospheric type music is gonna work in the modern times? I can't really see a roaring orchestral sound playing while Dracula is nonchalantly walking down the street seconds away from causing chaos.

On second thought, im guessing this why they're going with a electronic synth and orchestral sound.
YAY Hype train!  ;D

Edit: WTF Happened to my reputation? -7 in 12 hours with no posts? Actually, all the minuses on old old old posts? Ha.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 09, 2013, 08:03:26 PM
Don't feel bad, I made a thread showcasing my CV collection & now everyone thinks I'm a piece of shit just because of the topic title.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TheAcer on May 09, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
Here's a small screenshot of the edge magazines' LoS2 articicle taken from here:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/id451410596?mt=8&affId=1621074&ign-mpt=uo%3D6 (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/id451410596?mt=8&affId=1621074&ign-mpt=uo%3D6)
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Although most of the main article is almost impossible to read, what interested me was the sub-heading for the last paragraph which reads: "Where the first game was a slasher, LOS2 is a gear-gated open-world adventure".

This makes me think that those rumors of the gameplay for LOS2 being similar to that of a Batman Arkham or Darksiders game might actually have some truth to them ;D
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Post by: Pfil on May 10, 2013, 12:09:02 AM
That's a good thing. Everyone says LoS 1 is a God of War / Shadow of the Colossus clone. If LoS 2 turns out to be a Batman Arkham / Darksiders clone, I'll certainly enjoy it infinitely more. I was never a GoW / SotC fan (I didn't even finished them), but I really like what I've seen from Batman and DS.
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Post by: The Silverlord on May 10, 2013, 03:50:22 AM
OXM 99 will have an eight-page preview also.

From rllmuk/neogaf/OXM hype

- More Metroidvania elements
- Open, seamless world
- Two hubs: city and castle (equally sized)
- "Blood Magic" weapons?
- Enric Alvarez says the city is "Chicago by way of Bayonetta's Vigrid, with pseudo Medieval growths erupting from every surface"
- Improved combat and platforming
- Multiple-era plot
- All-new, extra-titanic Titans
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Post by: Maedhros on May 10, 2013, 04:05:27 AM
God... more shitty Titans (no, seriously, I hope they were improved instead of being a FUCKING CHORE). They were very creative, but they should be fun to play against.

Everything else sounds really great! Where's the complete article?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Silverlord on May 10, 2013, 04:09:46 AM
http://www.oxm.co.uk/53737/oxm-99-castlevania-gta-5-fifa-14-ultimate-minecraft-guide/ (http://www.oxm.co.uk/53737/oxm-99-castlevania-gta-5-fifa-14-ultimate-minecraft-guide/)

There's the cover shot at the bottom of that page (OXM / Official Xbox 360 Magazine), but no screenshots on the iTunes store.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 10, 2013, 05:11:56 AM
God... more shitty Titans (no, seriously, I hope they were improved instead of being a FUCKING CHORE). They were very creative, but they should be fun to play against.


As long as they're not fought the same way as the first game then it's fine with me. But I agree that it better not be a chore this time, hopefully the CG trailer was an indication that we can deal with them quickly (doubtful but we'll see).
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 10, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
We need more info. When are the magazines coming out?

Quote
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BTW great cover
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 10, 2013, 10:48:30 AM
OXM 99 will have an eight-page preview also.

From rllmuk/neogaf/OXM hype

- More Metroidvania elements
- Open, seamless world
- Two hubs: city and castle (equally sized)
- "Blood Magic" weapons?
- Enric Alvarez says the city is "Chicago by way of Bayonetta's Vigrid, with pseudo Medieval growths erupting from every surface"
- Improved combat and platforming
- Multiple-era plot
Yes.... yes....yes.....YES......YEESSSSSS!!!..... :o



Quote
- All-new, extra-titanic Titans
Why doesn't the world die? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3N0aVHshTg#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 10, 2013, 10:49:05 AM
Odd that he's clearly holding the original intact Combat Cross despite crushing it to pieces in The Forgotton One's realm.. artists' mistake, perhaps? Or intentional?

Or maybe it's a sword hilt
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 10, 2013, 11:32:30 AM
Odd that he's clearly holding the original intact Combat Cross despite crushing it to pieces in The Forgotton One's realm.. artists' mistake, perhaps? Or intentional?

Or maybe it's a sword hilt
I think it's a sword. He already had one on the other artwork.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 10, 2013, 11:41:08 AM
Can someone buy the magazine(s) and scan them for us? I'm not in the states so f**k me but you know, the hype train too much to handle.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 10, 2013, 01:15:56 PM
It is a sword...whip. The sword will extend itself to hit his enemies.

The blood magic weapons? Axe...whip. Cross...whip. Knife...whip. Dragon Transformation which throws flame at his enemies. Flame-whips, of course.

But Alucard will save us with his magical sword...whip.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 10, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
And then Satan returns.......with a whip, wearing a dominatrix outfit.
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Post by: Dremn on May 10, 2013, 02:37:34 PM
Crossing my fingers for playable Alucard.

EDIT: From the XBox Magazine.

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Simon and Trevor will be in LoS2 then, I guess?

EDIT again:

Uhhh, I don't suppose any of this was posted yet was it?

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Post by: Kingshango on May 10, 2013, 05:18:54 PM
Aw man I need those images in hq, FAST! That last pic of Dracula is just menacing.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 10, 2013, 08:48:01 PM
wait... by the looks of the poster, Allie would be back as Trevor!?
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Post by: VladCT on May 10, 2013, 09:05:05 PM
Or LoS2 would have some sorta MoF chapter, I dunno.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 10, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Or LoS2 would have some sorta MoF chapter, I dunno.
Yep.

Or they are just recycling art.
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Post by: VladCT on May 10, 2013, 10:34:51 PM
Maybe, though I doubt they'd even bother updating the rendering by that much if they were indeed just recycling them.

...You know, I too, am disappointed by MoF, but wow, you are awfully bitter ever since you got "burned" by MoF, even though you never bothered to change your avatar, siggy, and all that jazz. :-X
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 10, 2013, 11:31:22 PM
Weren't the renders done in high-res before they opted for the low-res versions for MOF?
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Post by: Nagumo on May 11, 2013, 01:03:19 AM
UK Offical Playstation Magazine:

"Developer Mercurysteam benefitted from the element of surprise with the first Lords of Shadow. Even with Kojima (loosely) involved, there was a suspicion that a Castlevania game designed by a team in Madrid, and not Koji Igarashi, would come out poorly in comparison. Instead, we got an epic. It’s a shame that last word has been overused to meaninglessness, because the 20 hours of Lords of Shadow deserve the accolade – the game was constantly shifting, as Gabriel Belmont’s powers built throughout, before ending with him, humanity all but gone, enshrined in Dracula’s throne.
This second outing begins the same way, only the Brotherhood of Light are knocking at his door with a golden battering ram. Belmont’s holy fraternity have turned against him since he became an undying symbol of evil, which puts Drac in a pickle. And not the tasty lime type. On one side, he’s got the forces of good, who are currently attacking his castle with a massive, walking church. On other side, he’s got the dark machinations of Satan himself to overcome. He’s caught between a river of molten rock and a pit full of hard places.
Epic the first game may have been, but it wasn’t without flaws, and the platforming was criticised. But the new game takes a less spoon-fed approach. Anchor points will only be highlighted if you ask them to be, and not at all on harder levels. More importantly, Castlevania is a series built around discovery and exploration. It’s built around seeing a ledge you can’t reach, and having to make a mental note to come back later. That simply didn’t work in a game divved up into 12 chapters and 46 verses. Sure you’d get a ‘come back when your powers have improved’ message, but the division fractured the world. For the sequel, the environment will be completely seamless-the mission summaries replaced with teleporters, just like in Igarishi’s games.

Another problem was the Titan battles. To put it kindly, these were inspired by Shadow of the Colossus. And while some were excellent, challenging spectacles, others were easily failed slogs in need of mid-battle checkpoints. The Titan we mentioned above, that furious church with his big, sleepy face, is a different kettle of massive fish. The battle with it is longer, but more varied, with Brotherhood warriors attacking you on it’s forearms while it gawps balefully at you all in the background. It remains to be seen if there are checkpoints, but if not then someone needs eviscerating on a massive great spire.
The final change is fundamental to the new sense of an open world. It feels like and old-fashioned boast for a 3D game on PS3, but in Lords of Shadow 2, the camera is completely controllable, in the first game, fixed viewpoints would leave paths concealed until you landed in the right area. This new camera has been the most troublesome focus of the new game, because Mercurysteam was determined to give the best of both worlds. So if you leave the camera alone, it will behave just as it always did. Studio head Enric Alvarez is proud of this-third-person games will always have some camera problems. He’s modest on many aspects of the game, but as far as the camera’s concerned, it’s “the best (I’ve) ever experienced”.

Behind all these improvements, the basic systems of the first are intact. The Combat Cross has been replaced by the Blood Whip, but it’s essentially the same. It still has an extreme range with attacks that fill the screen. And you’ll still string combos together from strong directed attacks, and lighter area attacks. This is also a game of resources management. Magic has been replaced with Dracula’s life-force: Blood. It doesn’t regenerate – you have to earn it with kills and skilled fighting. Evasion, perfect blocks and counters all add to your focus gauge, and when it’s full, every hit explodes new blood into the battlefield. Get Hit, and you lose all focus.

There’s an unexpected sense of humour, too. While no one’s winking at the camera, when Gabriel Belmont wrestles a crucifix out of a Golden Paladin’s grip, informing the Brotherhood that he, Dracula , has been chosen by God, what follows is an ecclesiastical nuclear blast so large that the camera cuts to a shot of the planet. It’s ridiculous-and the studio knows it. There was some internal debate about whether to keep the scene in. Did it undermine the story? Was it just a bit stupid? In the end, it was agreed it that it should stay, because… well, it was awesome. And who are we to argue with Dracula, God or indeed Gabriel Belmont."
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Post by: VladCT on May 11, 2013, 01:08:27 AM
Weren't the renders done in high-res before they opted for the low-res versions for MOF?
Model rendering and art "rendering" aren't quite one and the same.
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Post by: uzo on May 11, 2013, 01:54:54 AM
So they're just going full camp now? Might work out better than one would think. At this point I guess they don't care what happens, since it's their last game and all.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 11, 2013, 02:01:42 AM


...You know, I too, am disappointed by MoF, but wow, you are awfully bitter ever since you got "burned" by MoF, even though you never bothered to change your avatar, siggy, and all that jazz. :-X

I know I'm bittersweet about mof but this new info is pleasing yet, we need to see this in motion.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on May 11, 2013, 02:46:10 AM
When MoF was in development, we have seen plenty videos of game play, we have read many interviews and information regarding the game, we have hyped ourselves and when the game came out what happen? Total chaos.................so, until i get and play the game for my self, i want take seriously or to account anything that i read or seen, because David Cox is a mischievous imp...........
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Post by: VladCT on May 11, 2013, 04:23:11 AM
Indeed, that is the risk of hopping aboard the hype train. When it crashes, it crashes hard.
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 11, 2013, 07:00:37 AM
I'm looking forward to HQ pics of it. Nagumo's preview sounds cool too.
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Post by: crisis on May 11, 2013, 07:57:36 AM
Quote
While no one’s winking at the camera, when Gabriel Belmont wrestles a crucifix out of a Golden Paladin’s grip, informing the Brotherhood that he, Dracula , has been chosen by God, what follows is an ecclesiastical nuclear blast so large that the camera cuts to a shot of the planet

Haha, sounds awesome. I'll cheers to that *raises drink*
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Post by: Dremn on May 11, 2013, 09:10:15 AM
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It seems like there isn't a single Castlevania fan on the planet right now with a proper scanner lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 11, 2013, 09:20:09 AM
Mark my words, that Dracula new artwork will be my new desktop wallpaper as sson as we have an HQ version.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 11, 2013, 09:42:36 AM
Likewise, it's begging to be a background.

edit: There's also some new info from Neogaf

-Dracula’s own tricks include glamouring mortals to control them and evaporating into a mist that lets him slip by unseen, or pass through grilles into secret areas
- Channel raw blood into Void and Chaos
- Void: weapon switches to Void Sword, allowing you to regain some health with each hit
- Chaos: weapon switches to a pair of claws that can smash through enemy shields
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Post by: Dremn on May 11, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
Likewise, it's begging to be a background.

edit: There's also some new info from Neogaf

-Dracula’s own tricks include glamouring mortals to control them and evaporating into a mist that lets him slip by unseen, or pass through grilles into secret areas
- Channel raw blood into Void and Chaos
- Void: weapon switches to Void Sword, allowing you to regain some health with each hit
- Chaos: weapon switches to a pair of claws that can smash through enemy shields
Link to GAF thread?

EDIT: Nevermind found it.

So the sword is replacing light magic, neat.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on May 11, 2013, 11:34:57 AM
Well, it sure sounds like an improvement over the first game. In fact, it sounds like they're aiming for "SotN in 3D". I don't quite understand how the camera works just yet, but I like the idea that you can control it. It could possibly make for more involving level design and environments. Though I actually liked most of the level design in the first LoS so I'm not so worried about that. It's the tedious combat I couldn't stand. Oh, and wall shimmying... :/

But whatever. This is probably gonna be better than the last two games. The question is if it's gonna be MUCH better or just slightly less dull...
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 11, 2013, 11:37:59 AM
Everyone's talking about scans and I feel jelaous u.u
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Post by: Inccubus on May 11, 2013, 01:07:09 PM
- Enric Alvarez says the city is "Chicago by way of Bayonetta's Vigrid, with pseudo Medieval growths erupting from every surface"

So it's Gotham City.


- All-new, extra-titanic Titans

The one thing that was nearly universally reviled about the game.
The one thing everyone was glad didn't show up in MoF.
Fuck you, MS. I have no hope for this one either.

Actually upon further reading it seems that al they're really doing is replacing the SotC battles with GoW (actual) Titan battles a'la Cronos / Gaia. That could be a good thing.

And on a side... to the writer of that article... on the subject of this person advocating mid-battle checkpoints... pussy!
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Post by: Dremn on May 11, 2013, 02:17:31 PM
And on a side... to the writer of that article... on the subject of this person advocating mid-battle checkpoints... pussy!
Yea, another big complaint of mine for the LoS series is having checkpoints for boss fights. That's how you know the bosses need to be streamlined or reworked. It doesn't feel like a proper boss if you can just keep trying again and again mid battle. It should be all or nothing for one go, a real challenge.

EDIT: Higher res shot from the scans.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2F78bea735dd3e0a2ecc58db44ff23d8a3%2Ftumblr_mmndnvVvjK1qkih2oo1_500.jpg&hash=3ea02fff0453667e0506813672125cf0)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 11, 2013, 05:47:44 PM
Yea, another big complaint of mine for the LoS series is having checkpoints for boss fights. That's how you know the bosses need to be streamlined or reworked. It doesn't feel like a proper boss if you can just keep trying again and again mid battle. It should be all or nothing for one go, a real challenge.

EDIT: Higher res shot from the scans.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2F78bea735dd3e0a2ecc58db44ff23d8a3%2Ftumblr_mmndnvVvjK1qkih2oo1_500.jpg&hash=3ea02fff0453667e0506813672125cf0)
It was my theory that they are trying(with MoF and this) to make his facial hair more pronounced. The artwork on the previous page shows it as being REALLY defined. My guess is that they are trying to make him look more Vlad III-ish(and less rugged stubbly Gabriel of the first game):

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftheordervolume1.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F12%2Fvlad_tepes_002.jpg%3Fw%3D283%26amp%3Bh%3D300&hash=c42ec114d28fe53f8a68ee470a64a440)(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unexplainedmonsters.com%2Fvampires%2Fimages%2FVlad_the_Impaler.jpg&hash=eaad7a8823d208593b1f246ae6d20cc3)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2318%2F2030424812_0393672718.jpg&hash=ec7c2b4457f31438583e337292bde6ae)

I'm still not liking his bare chest. Dammit, man, get a chest plate or something!!!

Oddly enough, regarding his look, I might've said this before, with his longer hair(yet still pretty full) and his somewhat facial hair, he looks like some 1980s rock star or head of some metal act. I could see him coming out in leather pants with a dragon tattoo on his chest, screaming into the mic and ripping it up on his pentagram-shaped guitar.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 11, 2013, 06:14:58 PM
Well he's no Lestat but I can see that happening given that he's already wearing leather pants.

Speaking of, anyone else looking forward to Dracula's interaction with the modern world? I can already see him entering a underground rave filled with humans and monsters in disguise. It's cliche as all hell but it's somewhat obligatory to a point where I'll be disappointed if it didn't happen.
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Post by: crisis on May 11, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
Epic reputation aside, I've always felt the giant turd on Vlad III's lip looked silly o.o;
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 11, 2013, 06:48:18 PM
Epic reputation aside, I've always felt the giant turd on Vlad III's lip looked silly o.o;

never thought of it like that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 11, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
and now you can't un-see it  :)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 11, 2013, 07:47:03 PM
Here comes the hype train. Choo choo....
I won't be jumping in immediately right now. Unless i see more proof aka gameplay.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 11, 2013, 07:55:05 PM
and now you can't un-see it  :)


goddammit Nappa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d4vGIH36ss#)



Plus 1 anyway  :P

Here comes the hype train. Choo choo....
I won't be jumping in immediately right now. Unless i see more proof aka gameplay.

like wise but this is way more promising than mof. For now...... What about the music?
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Post by: Kingshango on May 11, 2013, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: Neobelmont
like wise but this is way more promising than mof. For now...... What about the music?

Last I heard the soundtrack is suppose to be a mix of orchestral and electronic synth. I can't think of any examples of that right now though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on May 11, 2013, 09:04:47 PM
I have the scans. I hope it's allowed to share them. The pass is dracul.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/lprlh2 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/lprlh2)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gecko on May 11, 2013, 09:55:22 PM
I have the scans. I hope it's allowed to share them. The pass is dracul.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/lprlh2 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/lprlh2)

Interesting. I like the bits about the camera. It sounds like they're being kind of innovative with it. I really don't like controlling the camera myself because I would rather focus on the action itself if possible. Being able to switch between an automatic camera like the one in the first LoS and a manual camera sounds neat.
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 12, 2013, 12:54:44 AM
You made my day, thanks! (Also, LOL at being re-tweeted by Cox)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 12, 2013, 08:11:20 AM
 (·_·)
<)   )~  the first los2 trailer had me feeling worried
 /    \

\(·_·)
 (   (>   now this preview has me feeling excited
 /   \

 (·_·)
<)   )>   i can't wait for los2 to come out now
 /    \
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Post by: Dremn on May 12, 2013, 08:40:07 AM
I have the scans. I hope it's allowed to share them. The pass is dracul.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/lprlh2 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/lprlh2)
Thank you so much dude!

EDIT: Just finished reading, sounds just like LoS, but the promise of the game being completely open world excites me.

I really hope someone ports this to WiiU, I don't plan on picking up a new 360 or PS3 anytime soon.
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Post by: Flame on May 12, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Well I'm excited.

Now I wonder though if I should get the 360 or the PC version when its released?

I have a new TV that would do the game justice now, but I'd really love to use my gaming pc on it too... and it would probably give better framerate and the like.

There's also just no replacing that "sitting on the couch in front of the TV playing a console" feeling...
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Post by: Maedhros on May 12, 2013, 10:50:38 AM
 There's also the HDMI cable + wireless control + Steam Big Picture Mode which will give you the same result without shitty resolution/framerate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 12, 2013, 12:25:35 PM
(·_·)
<)   )~  the first los2 trailer had me feeling worried
 /    \

\(·_·)
 (   (>   now this preview has me feeling excited
 /   \

 (·_·)
<)   )>   i can't wait for los2 to come out now
 /    \
Just hope with the improved gameplay, they don't pussy out when working Dracula's "strength" into the mix. I WANT enemies to feel less heavy and barrels/boxes should break apart with ONE HIT. This is the fuckin BEAST who damages you like crazy in MoF, and those guys are Belmonts, average "mere mortals" like Joe Schmoe "Cleric Knight #2" should pale in comparison.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on May 12, 2013, 12:46:39 PM
I agree with the criticism with how actually dishing out hits felt in LoS, needs to feel like a bigger impact so I get the impression I'm doing damage to them. I think MoF handled that issue way better, but since we're Drac this time around the hits need to feel almost devastating.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 12, 2013, 01:10:22 PM
I just hope they fix the hitboxes. In LOS1 often times I'd get hit before the enemy even touches me, or sometimes I couldn't tell if I was hitting the enemy or not. It seems that they fixed that in MoF (not too sure, haven't played it yet) but if they fix it here then combat will be no problem for me.

Reading the OXM article, everything sounds like a step up from both games BUT I have one concern. The way to gather blood is the same way you do in LOS1, clicking the left and right sticks. Now that it's been confirmed that the camera is free to control, if the camera is placed on the right stick, I feel that %95 of the time im gonna end up flicking the camera while getting blood then get attacked from the other side during a heated battle. I know there's no perfect camera angle for these types of games but I hope it's not too messy cause it can make or break a game for some people, me included.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on May 12, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
There's also the HDMI cable + wireless control + Steam Big Picture Mode which will give you the same result without shitty resolution/framerate.

Full agreement here. If I get LoS2, its PC all the way.

I don't use Big Picture mode (still too glitchy for me), but the same effect is gotten. I buy all console releases for PC if available, no questions asked.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on May 12, 2013, 06:15:30 PM
Cox and MS know how to make the games sound good. I'm still not believing what I hear from the article until the game's in my hands though.

The way the magazine described the game made it sound not really non-linear, but much like the first LoS with warp points instead of choosing stuff from the book menu. Not really crazy about the Mastery system; it seems like it won't encourage use of other moves so as much as force it, which... isn't really the same as making a move actually useful. Glad to hear Cox say the hand-holding and QTEs will be dialed back, but again, it's Cox and I'll believe it when I see it.

All that said, the game sounds fun. I hope I'll have a good PC by the time it's out.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 12, 2013, 07:26:25 PM
I'm excited because it being non-linear is confirmed. Now just put Alucard playable there with a sword and all his jazz and I'm fully in.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 12, 2013, 10:50:34 PM
Now just put Alucard playable there with a sword and all his jazz and I'm fully in.

We can always dream, right?  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on May 13, 2013, 12:39:54 AM
There's also the HDMI cable + wireless control + Steam Big Picture Mode which will give you the same result without shitty resolution/framerate.
I would. But my PC and my TV are on different floors.
I'd need one HELL of a long HDMI cable
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on May 13, 2013, 02:28:12 AM
So far the combat seems like it ripped straight from LoS1, just applied with a different skin. The only new features are this mind control ability and turning into mist. Not that this is a bad thing but I wonder if LoS2 is really going to be much different from the first one aside from superficial changes.   

Also, new stuff:

Quote
"You said the camera was the hardest thing to get right in LoS2. Why was it so essential?"

Enric Alvarez - It's not the camera itself - it's what that change entails. You have to start from scratch with the game. You can no longer force the player to look at a vista you worked really hard on. A free camera can be a problem. With this kind of game, it's not particularly comfortable to handle the camera while you're playing. So we have to find a compromise for people who are good enough to take full control of the camera while fighting, and those who don't want to touch the camera because all their attention is focused on the enemy. There's a law in third-person action games - the further you put the camera from the action, the more problems you have. It's exponential, because the camera starts colliding with everything. You need to be conscious of the funny stuff it gets up to. But we've managed to make a camera that is seamless between using it and not using it.

Dave Cox - I never use the camera. I let it do what it wants, which suits me fine.

EA - It's fantastic. It's one of the best cameras in an action third-person game.

"There's an expectation that sequels will be bigger. Are you regretting how very long the first game was?"

DC - Not at all. Lords of Shadow 2 will be bigger than the first game. But not just in terms of size. The scale of its levels are more epic, the combat system is hugely expanded and adaptable to different playing styles, and it's city is a more open experience that we want people to immerse themselves in. Everything about the game is bigger, but it has to be - we have a big story to tell.

"Will you have mini-bosses who restore their health if you miss a quick-time event, and long boss fights without mid-battle checkpoints? Or has success made you less evil?"

DC - We're more evil, if anything! The whole QTE thing has been cut back, with the Titan fights now far more expansive, they involve full control by the player as opposed to times button presses. We've gone for a far greater level of control during every part of the game now, but Gabriel can refuel by draining those around him of their blood - the benefit being a vampire. We feel the gameplay is more balanced than in the last game, and as a result makes for a more fluid and natural challenge.

"You say there are two worlds: City and Castle. How does that split work as you play through?

DC - The city is the main setting for the game, but we can't really go into too much detail about it at present. The city is a living entity, but there's a look and feel to it that harks back to the Gothic realm of the past.

"The original Lords of Shadow was a bit po-faced. Patrick Stewart sounded like he was going to burst into tears between chapters. In the sequel we've already seen that ridiculous nuke blast that was more Dragon Ball Z than Dracula. Are you letting your playful side express itself?

DC - It's a fine line, comedy. Games can be po-faced, but there is nothing worse than a game that tries to be funny, but comes across as wearing. It's like being trapped in the corner at a party by someone who thinks they're hilarious. We knew the part you're talking about was over the top, but it also sells the scale of the conflict - that's not to say the decision to keep it in all its OTT-ness wasn't deliberate!

"How do you resist the urge to make jokes about a character names Trevor?

DC - We would never diss a Trevor. A Ralph, maybe, but never a Trevor.     
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Post by: A-Yty on May 13, 2013, 05:37:23 AM
I don't get it. What's funny about the name Trevor?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on May 13, 2013, 07:53:25 AM
I don't get it. What's funny about the name Trevor?
Your guess is as good as mine.

The jokes in those scans by the editor were facepalm worthy too.
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Post by: Harrycombs on May 13, 2013, 11:27:33 AM
I'm disappointed they are keeping the Titan battles. Those were easily the worst part of Lords of Shadow.
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Post by: Flame on May 13, 2013, 11:34:45 AM
disagreed. they wete one of the most epic. gameplay and idea wasn't original, but they eere grand in atmosphere and scale
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Post by: Pfil on May 13, 2013, 12:02:03 PM
Interview Stuff...
3 things stand out for me about this:
* No more QTE's! That's good!
* What's so funny about the name Trevor?
* "...When a game tries to be funny and isn't" (made me remember Banjo Kazooie, which all the time tried to be funny and all the time I disliked everything about it, with the exception of the very good level design, platforming and general gameplay).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 13, 2013, 12:17:47 PM
Wellllll...... the article didn't say "no more QTE's," it said they've toned them down a bit. Which, imo, translates to they'll be present at points where we the players feel they aren't required.

And the "humor," I don't wanna see cringe-worthy cheesy stuff like THE CAKE IS NOT A LIE, which I'm sure LoS2 will include anyway...

Dracula: you must realize, Belmont, that all your base belong to me.. (evil laughter)
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Post by: A-Yty on May 13, 2013, 12:21:22 PM
What game meme was hip about three years ago? That might be the source of LoS2 humor.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 13, 2013, 01:13:15 PM
There will be a "Arrow to the knee" joke in there somewhere, I guaran-freaking-tee it.
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Post by: Dremn on May 13, 2013, 04:24:46 PM
I'm disappointed they are keeping the Titan battles. Those were easily the worst part of Lords of Shadow.
Agreed. They felt really unnecessary too, what was the point of them plot-wise?
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Post by: Kingshango on May 13, 2013, 05:22:14 PM
Agreed. They felt really unnecessary too, what was the point of them plot-wise?


In LOS1? Filler enemies.

In LOS2? The Brotherhood probably decided to resurrect ancient technology in case Dracula came back, so they made a walking church fortress based on the titans. My guess anyway.

Also, my favorite online enigma returned and said that a enemy from the first game make an appearance in LOS2.

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Munchy on May 13, 2013, 11:26:48 PM
Agreed. They felt really unnecessary too, what was the point of them plot-wise?

Yeah, they weren't great. They didn't do a whole lot outside of a shuck and jive to try to shake you off.

I actually kind of appreciate the over-the-top-ness it sounds like they're putting in the game (ie, the crucifixplosion). I'm used to the idea that LoS is gonna do its own thing, so if they go more balls to the wall with ideas like that I say go for it. My main hopes in this regard are:

A) Satan should take over Dracula's castle. I appreciated the scope they were going with in the first game, but Hell/The Realm of the Dead wasn't really an interesting area. Just kinda looked like Mars. If they do take stuff back to Hell, I'd like it to look that way - tortured souls, really awful things going on in the environment, etc. rather than just being some underground shit full of lava.

B) Zobek/Death fight. Awful obnoxious scythes and all. If they could at all match the dramatic nature or at least give an homage to the Rondo Death fight, I'd be so goddamn happy.

Aside from Titans, my main worry points are these:

A) Puzzles. I thought they would be okay before LoS one, but I hate them. So much. In a game like Silent Hill or Resident Evil they're fine, because I'm already in a thinking mood to play those, but in an action game like this it grinds the pace to a screeching halt. I'm sure they'll provide the option to skip these as before, but I'd much rather do more exploration or combat than a damned puzzle.

B) Multiple characters. Of course this hasn't been confirmed yet. But in MoF all the abilities had to be stretched so thin mostly to accommodate different characters, only really for the sake of more plot points. I'd much rather they just stick with Gabriel and flesh him out fully rather than come up with a few more cool tricks and shoehorn them into Alucard or some other Belmont. (MoF reminds me of Devil May Cry 4 in this respect.)

C) Yes yes, wall shimmying. I know it's really a given the game's going to have some, but for God's sake let Gabriel move faster or... something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TheAcer on May 14, 2013, 01:03:04 AM
There's a rumor going around that Igarashi himself requested mercurysteam to NOT use Julius Belmont (either that or for them not to name a Belmont "Julius") in LoS2.

However, take note that this rumor has NO credibility whatsoever and that I only brought it up for discussion.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DoctaMario on May 14, 2013, 03:38:43 AM
Yeah, they weren't great. They didn't do a whole lot outside of a shuck and jive to try to shake you off.



A) Puzzles. I thought they would be okay before LoS one, but I hate them. So much. In a game like Silent Hill or Resident Evil they're fine, because I'm already in a thinking mood to play those, but in an action game like this it grinds the pace to a screeching halt. I'm sure they'll provide the option to skip these as before, but I'd much rather do more exploration or combat than a damned puzzle.

C) Yes yes, wall shimmying. I know it's really a given the game's going to have some, but for God's sake let Gabriel move faster or... something.

I agree with you about the Frost and Rock titans, but the Dracolich was an awesome fight. I don't know if you guys are lumping that one in with the other two, but I thought that was well done, if not a little over the top. But from the sound of it, they've improved on these in LoS2 and hopefully they'll be a lot more fun this time around.

The puzzles keep the game from being one-dimensional. I really appreciated a lot of the puzzles in LoS and liked that they were a lot better and somewhat more thought provoking than the bullshit that passes for puzzles in a the Devil May Cry games (love them though I do.) Nothing wrong with an action game that calls for you to think once in awhile. There was a good variety to them too.

I also thought the shimmying was good. It reminded me of the 64 games somewhat, which is what LoS reminded me most of. But with that said, I can't really imagine Gabriel needing to do that much should he be able to use bat and mist forms. It would almost seem silly to make him get relics or whatever to be able to change his shape and still need to climb and shimmy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on May 14, 2013, 03:40:31 AM
There's a rumor going around that Igarashi himself requested mercurysteam to NOT use Julius Belmont (either that or for them not to name a Belmont "Julius") in LoS2.

However, take note that this rumor has NO credibility whatsoever and that I only brought it up for discussion.

Very interesting. Where are the rumors from?

Edit: Nevermind, it's from leak guy.

Yesyesyes
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 14, 2013, 03:45:40 AM
Very interesting. Where are the rumors from?

Probably from the fans.

Off topic:
Well, for those who can't wait for a little Julius action, I'm done encoding the Ricordanza translation. I will have to do a final check before I post the novel here.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on May 14, 2013, 04:49:18 AM
disagreed. they wete one of the most epic. gameplay and idea wasn't original, but they eere grand in atmosphere and scale

And i disagree, because personaly i don't find them to fit in Castlevania, since they slow you down veryyyyyy much, since if you made a mistake, you have to climb all over again, just a waste of time if you ask me. You don't gain anything. Castlevania is an action game and not press x and y button when you are prompt, even GoW Titan battles are far superior from the ones of LoS.
Title: Re: bacon
Post by: crisis on May 14, 2013, 06:26:15 AM
I kinda like the idea how Dracula is an enemy of both God and Satan; perhaps he believes himself to be the third major deity. Remember how Zobek(i think) described the God Mask, it's user can resurrect the dead, be invincible, destroy the universe, challenge God Himself. Maybe Gabriel believes that to be true about himself since he declares himself as the "chosen one" if that preview is to be believed.

That over-the-topness mentioned of seeing the explosion from away from the planet reminds me of those epic summons from FFVII. Of course nowadays it's nothing special but seeing that type of graphix for the first time in 1997 was impressive!
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Post by: Nagumo on May 14, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
Probably from the fans.

It's actually from some the same person who previously leaked all the MoF stuff before it got officially announced(!).

Anyway, Pre-E3 show will be on June 6th and they will show a new trailer of LoS2. 
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Post by: Flame on May 14, 2013, 02:39:24 PM
I want to see MS Julius Belmont... :C

Still, even if he requested it, remains to be seen if MS will comply. They don't have to if they dont want to...

also, unrelated, but:

http://operationrainfall.com/konami-castlevania-mega-man/ (http://operationrainfall.com/konami-castlevania-mega-man/)

ouch
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 14, 2013, 03:32:47 PM
As previously discussed many times before, a lot of game companies/franchises are misguided nowadays, not just Capcom, so that may seem like an unfair cheap shot at them, but they are the most repeat offenders as of late due to MM's tragic fall from grace. There's Square Enix's handling of the FF series, amongst others (however they seem to be doing pretty good with their Play Arts Kai toyline)

Quote
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow was a 3D Castlevania game that broke the tradition of previous 3D Castlevania games and did incredibly well, mostly because it was basically God of War: Germanic Mythology Edition. This led to the equally successful Castlevania: Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate,

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Post by: Flame on May 14, 2013, 03:36:43 PM
Oh naw, doesn't feel cheap at all. It's true. A painful jab, but true. Castlevania adapted and changed, and took a risk with LoS, and it paid off, bringing the franchise back into mainstream gaming media, and re-inventing it to attract new audiences while trying to keep at least some of the old audience.

Mega Man just plain NEVER changed. It changed VERY rarely, only in the 3D games, and those are far and few. The Legends games, Battle Network, X7, and X Command Mission. Those are the only Mega Man games that really changed anything drastically. BN in particular, was a hit.

Capcom has no balls to take risks, never really has taken risks and made something really different, and as a result they seriously have no idea what to do with the franchise.

yeah... "successful"...
maybe they've seen numbers we haven't?
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Post by: Zetheraxza on May 14, 2013, 04:21:01 PM
Did I mention Oscar Araujo is an amazing Composer when he's baked out of his dome.

http://www.youtube.com/#/watch?v=K9vXlFAZE44&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DK9vXlFAZE44%26feature%3Dyoutu.be (http://www.youtube.com/#/watch?v=K9vXlFAZE44&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DK9vXlFAZE44%26feature%3Dyoutu.be)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 14, 2013, 11:49:13 PM
yeah... "successful"...
maybe they've seen numbers we haven't?

Perhaps the number of items shipped but not sold?
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Post by: Maedhros on May 15, 2013, 09:55:29 AM
Maybe the budget was so low that even with the shitty sales it got to be profitable.
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Post by: beingthehero on May 15, 2013, 05:41:21 PM
Didn't DXC sell well enough to be re-released by Sony under the red-banner 'Greatest Hits' label? I do believe that is awarded to games based on sales rather than critical reception. Though I imagine the threshold for selling well on the PSP wasn't all that high and IGA said that while the game sold according to Konami's expectations it didn't make him jump up and down.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 15, 2013, 07:02:25 PM
The only IGA games that were sold very well were SOTN and DoS. The others made money for Konami, but didn't really set the world ablaze.
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Post by: Flame on May 16, 2013, 12:27:54 AM
Didn't DXC sell well enough to be re-released by Sony under the red-banner 'Greatest Hits' label? I do believe that is awarded to games based on sales rather than critical reception. Though I imagine the threshold for selling well on the PSP wasn't all that high and IGA said that while the game sold according to Konami's expectations it didn't make him jump up and down.
I wouldn't put too much stock in greatest hits labels. Hits are not the only games that go there. The ones that don't seel or are stuck stagnating for a while are too, so people will buy them "because it says it's a hit"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 16, 2013, 08:35:55 AM
So let me tell you all about my wild INCEPTION-like dream concerning Lords of Shadow 2.. (warning: LONG semi-descriptive post ahead)


I can't remember exactly how it all started, but I was playing a demo of the game. I assume, story-wise, it began not too long after the events of Resurrection but before MoF. I mean, it must have been before MoF and before he claims the castle, and I'll explain why later. I was controlling Gabriel/Dracula in a gray-colored, damaged environment. I was fighting several demons using nothing but bare-hand combat. Dracula looked fierce, I recall just his idle stance was VERY menacing & just looked so badass. The rain just made the mood and environment all the better (I guess, now that I think about it, it kinda mirrored the first stage of LoS1, but obviously way better). After a few minor battles there was a boss or mini-boss, a lion-like creature. I was just controlling Dracula with extreme melee combat, no weapons or magic. There was also several obstacles I had to overcome while battling/escaping this lion-demon. After a while I was at this puzzle-like corridor. The graphics were REALLY nice, almost impressive. It was like perfect 1080p resolution, it was so vivid. I really wish I could paint a better picture of what I was seeing. Anyway this puzzle corridor was confusing at first, but was simple once I figured out how to get through it. I remember it involved mirrors somehow, and some climbing. I had to do some back-tracking and double takes to figure out what was going on. If you're well-versed in action & puzzle games then you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Now, before any of you punch me in the face, I will say this; Yes, there WAS shimmying, BUT it wasn't bad or annoying or out-of-place. I can tell because the constant shimmying in the first LoS really annoyed the fuck out of me. But here it was different, and somehow made sense! I recall it was a large wall structure with a clock-like design on it. I had to shimmy my way up there, but there was sliding panels so it wasn't as easy as it seemed. As I got closer to the top the camera would pan out to reveal this giant clock-looking structure. Oddly enough I don't remember falling or starting over at this part, it just took some patience & careful timing. But it wasn't long at all. At the top I encountered the lion-demon-mini-boss again, and engaged it in quick combat. I don't recall ANY QTE's, though there could've been and I just can't remember those intervals. Now that I think about it this creature could've just been the Daemon Lord seen in MoF, it had a similar design. After this part, I was suddenly at this portal-like part. This was the end of the demo, because for some odd reason, once I reached this part the game gave me the option to CHOOSE which "type" of Dracula to play the rest of the game as: the "melee combat" version, the "Draconis" version (yes, I remember it was distinctly titled Draconis, and it was Dracula with magic-like abilities as opposed to melee combat), and the third and final option was an amalgam of the first two. It was obvious to me that just about everybody was gonna choose the third "type," so I was wondering why they split it up like that. So this is the reason why I believe it took place before MoF, cuz I couldn't conjure any weapons or use magic or teleportation, yet Dracula had these abilities in MoF. After that, the demo faded to black and simply said "Coming Soon 2013."

Now, I remember "waking up" in this auditorium, saying to myself that I just had a dream I had access to LoS2! I was also surrounded by YOU guys, various members from this fucking forum. I don't remember what any of you looked like, nor had no way of distinguishing anybody, but somehow I KNEW it was certain members, such as Kingshango, Flame, uzo, Munchy, A-Yty, X, Pfil, etc. The basic forum regulars. I was semi-surpised, but then I got up from out of my chair (yeah, I apparently fell asleep in a chair whilst all of you guys were just hanging out). I told you guys that I just had a crazy dream that I was playing LoS2, and proceeded to act out how I was playing in front of you all. Yes, ACT OUT. It was so fucking bizarre but normal at the same time.

Then I wake up FOR REAL, 10 minutes before I had to go to work this morning. Everything was still clear in my head, and I was thinking WTF just happened. I came to the realization that I just had a "dream within a dream," and am now typing this all up in my office for all of you to read my experience.



Thoughts???
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on May 16, 2013, 12:32:18 PM
You know you've been playing too much castlevania when:

You start dreaming about Castlevania
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Post by: Pfil on May 16, 2013, 01:02:56 PM
You know you've been playing too much castlevania when:

You start dreaming about Castlevania
That happens a lot to me too. I knew I wasn't the only one!  :)
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Post by: Kingshango on May 16, 2013, 01:16:58 PM
Dreams are a gateway into the mind.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 16, 2013, 11:34:03 PM
That happens a lot to me too. I knew I wasn't the only one!  :)

Yup me too. I just recently dreamt I was playing a new Sorrow game starring Soma.

Crisis, that was one epic dream! I think you are just dreaming about your ideal LOS2, though.

Oh and Konami posted this 8 hours ago.
http://instagram.com/p/ZY7HXsr3mv/ (http://instagram.com/p/ZY7HXsr3mv/)

We shall soon hear more news.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 17, 2013, 08:30:40 AM
The Führer Cox is demanding his subordinates to work harder
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on May 17, 2013, 10:34:19 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=558590 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=558590)

Some numbers:

Symphony of the Night 475k
Circle of the Moon 450k
Lament 350k
Castlevania 64 - 350k
Dawn 275k
Portrait 225k
Dracula X PSP 200k
Curse 200k
Order 175k
Aria 150k (missing reprint sales)
Harmony 125k
Chronicle (PS1) 75k
Castlevania Darkness 64 - 50k
Judgment 25k


And considering that the budget of LoS was bigger than all these other games combined... lol
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Post by: Pfil on May 17, 2013, 12:14:44 PM
The Führer Cox is demanding his subordinates to work harder
Mein Führer! I can walk!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on May 17, 2013, 07:03:50 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=558590 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=558590)

Some numbers:

Symphony of the Night 475k
Circle of the Moon 450k
Lament 350k
Castlevania 64 - 350k
Dawn 275k
Portrait 225k
Dracula X PSP 200k
Curse 200k
Order 175k
Aria 150k (missing reprint sales)
Harmony 125k
Chronicle (PS1) 75k
Castlevania Darkness 64 - 50k
Judgment 25k


And considering that the budget of LoS was bigger than all these other games combined... lol
those are budget numbers?

Yikes did the budget go down the drain for the series...
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 17, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
those are budget numbers?

Yikes did the budget go down the drain for the series...
Nope, US sales numbers.

Another -1 slaughter to me.. -20 in two hours.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on May 17, 2013, 10:54:39 PM
Sales? well they seem sort of all over the place.

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Chronicle (PS1) 75k
Castlevania Darkness 64 - 50k
Judgment 25k

These in particular, sold like shit.

lets organize them in order of release, and not units sold

Symphony of the Night 475k
Castlevania 64 - 350k
Castlevania Darkness 64 - 50k
Circle of the Moon 450k
Chronicle (PS1) 75k
Harmony 125k
Aria 150k (missing reprint sales)
Lament 350k
Dawn 275k
Curse 200k
Portrait 225k
Dracula X PSP 200k
Order 175k
Judgment 25k

Judgement is unsurprising, LoD probably people felt burned by CV64, Chronicles I don't get, I thought it was an alright game. Did people just not want another CV1 remake?

I'm AMAZED Dawn sold better than Aria. Probably because despite it's failings, (many) the gameplay WAS pretty solid. (and perhaps IGA's kiddie appeal worked on some level?)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 18, 2013, 08:13:20 AM
I think Dawn got the Aria fans plus it is a new castlevania for a new system. I think it being a sequel to the highly acclaimed Aria, people's curiousity helped fuel its sales more than the kiddie anime style.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 18, 2013, 09:33:38 AM
Dawn was released at the release window, so yeah... not surprising. After that, only the core fans remained, hence 175k for Ecclesia.

The numbers from NPD for LoS are less than SOTN. But we still have Japan and Europe to count, so... it's possible that LoS is the best selling game in the series.

The budget of the game was higher than the other games too, much higher that it's not even funny to compare... I dunno what Iga could do with a budget that high... regardless, we got LoS, now to wait for it to die to see where the series will go after it.
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Post by: Pfil on May 20, 2013, 12:12:43 AM
The budget of the game was higher than the other games too, much higher that it's not even funny to compare... I dunno what Iga could do with a budget that high... regardless, we got LoS, now to wait for it to die to see where the series will go after it.
Amen!
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on May 20, 2013, 01:24:01 AM
Quote
The budget of the game was higher than the other games too, much higher that it's not even funny to compare... I dunno what Iga could do with a budget that high... regardless, we got LoS, now to wait for it to die to see where the series will go after it.

Not only that, but also more developing time. Remember MoF first release date? It was fall, but instead of releasing the game, they pushed back the release date, so that they coul polish the game, not that it made much of a difference on the final product  :P but with Iga, this have never happened, they were pressing them to release it's game as soon as possibly they could, even with SoTN.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 20, 2013, 08:31:01 AM
Any day now.

Quote from: Dave Cox
Editing this week.

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Post by: Ahasverus on May 20, 2013, 05:26:01 PM
Ha looks like Kain from the Soul Reaver CGI intro
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Post by: Zetheraxza on May 20, 2013, 06:23:40 PM
Any day now.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fd3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2F772544540.jpg%3F1369057845&hash=fd8739e99af36df9b60406eb3bd88385)

Gabriel Belmont is just somebody I used to know... He looks like a Goddamn Metal Guitarist/Singer.
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Post by: Dremn on May 20, 2013, 08:48:21 PM
Any day now.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fd3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2F772544540.jpg%3F1369057845&hash=fd8739e99af36df9b60406eb3bd88385)
Man, wow, this game looks way better than LoS. The new graphics engine is going to look amazing for current gen hardware, especially right before the new gen.

If it's one thing I will never take any shame in, it's commending the brilliant artists at Mercury Steam.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 22, 2013, 12:58:23 AM
Just a snippet from Cox's twitter.

@CastlevaniaLOS PLEASE tell me you're gonna go out with a boom on current gen, instead of waiting over to next gen,
@MythologicUk - We are... No plans for next gen.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 22, 2013, 01:27:28 AM
Well I actually think they'd benefit from being, say, a launch game for next gen, avoiding the Curse of Darkness syndrome.
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Post by: thernz on May 22, 2013, 09:27:48 AM
curse was just a bad game
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Post by: somasworld on May 22, 2013, 10:27:21 AM
i hope we will ever see a new Castlevania game on the next gen consoles :/

if we ever get a new castlevania game after LOS-Saga???
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 22, 2013, 11:38:56 AM
This is the one and only thread :P

(Until release, that is... I just get nostalgic of that LoS mega thread)
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Post by: Flame on May 22, 2013, 12:12:11 PM
This is the one and only thread :P

(Until release, that is... I just get nostalgic of that LoS mega thread)
I dont. way too much arguing.
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 22, 2013, 02:10:49 PM
I dont. way too much arguing.
But it was a behemot, it's like everyone HAD to voice their minds. I like that!

curse was just a bad game
Released at the worst possible time. Your game won¿t have a single headline when the hot news is "next generation starts next week"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on May 22, 2013, 03:22:55 PM
This is the one and only thread :P

(Until release, that is... I just get nostalgic of that LoS mega thread)

I just revisited that thread a few days ago, what a grand old time that was from beginning to end.

This thread seems tame in comparison.......for now. :P
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Post by: Flame on May 22, 2013, 03:49:39 PM

Just wait till the next Castlevania reimagining after the LoS series. We'll have another thread like that one sure enough.
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Post by: Maedhros on May 22, 2013, 05:32:52 PM
I hope we get some good remake then...
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Post by: crisis on May 22, 2013, 05:38:55 PM
As for "remake," I'll be satisfyed with Castlevania ReBirth 2: Belmont's Revenge. However, if they decide to make it a Wii-U exclusive then I'll be disappointed, because then I'll have no choice but to buy a Wii-U.
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Post by: Weiss Belmont on May 22, 2013, 08:17:23 PM
Well I actually think they'd benefit from being, say, a launch game for next gen, avoiding the Curse of Darkness syndrome.

Could you elaborate? I'm not being a smartass or anything I've just never heard that term.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 22, 2013, 08:38:52 PM
Could you elaborate? I'm not being a smartass or anything I've just never heard that term.
Of course no problem.
As you may know, Curse of Darkness isn't only a 3D Castlevania and back in the day (and even now) that was already cause of apathy. It was a hard sell, as it was a RPG inspired by DMC and Pokemon with some hardcore systems, very japanease and... not that good looking. The game is a little bland and it was evident back in the day too. Those looong empty corridors can't be disguised very well.
Not to mention that it was the sequel to a 15 years old game (Dracula's Curse).

The thing is, if released another date, the game could have sold a little easier, but of course, it was delayed to the worst possible launch window ever: September 27 2005.
The first HD console, the Xbox 360 would had been out 3 weeks after.

To put it simply, not only it was ignored by the press and general public, people were at the time when they last gen is SO last gen (That period tends to end some months after, as GoW2 proved it) it's untouchable. Also, people were saving money for the next big thing. And so, it was a complete and absolute critical and sales flop. Not Judgment levels, but flop anyway.

Were the game released a little earlier, or some time later, story could had been different but as you can see, there's simply no way of beating a new console generation launch on its ground.

And that's what i fear could happen to LoS. Don't forget that GTAV comes in september so September is out of the question. It would leave them October and THAT'S IT. Unless they want it delayed 'til the next year. Whch to be honest is not a bad idea.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 22, 2013, 08:44:58 PM
Cox twitter snippets:

@CastlevaniaLOS at the beginning of CLOS2 will there be a summary of previous events for people who couldn't play the other game(s)? #noDS3D
@Criz_Zone - yes!

Is this a good thing or a bad thing? My head says, uh oh....that recap might be long.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 22, 2013, 08:57:41 PM
Cox twitter snippets:

@CastlevaniaLOS at the beginning of CLOS2 will there be a summary of previous events for people who couldn't play the other game(s)? #noDS3D
@Criz_Zone - yes!

Is this a good thing or a bad thing? My head says, uh oh....that recap might be long.
It should be a rule that intros should be no more than 5 minutes long(that's if there's some story/background info to relay). And I mean in ALL games, even RPGs. They should let you enter control of your character as soon as possible to the player could get a good feel of the gameplay, because, esepcially in story heavy games(RPGs in particular), there is ALWAYS time for story exposition and character interaction, but let the player get the feel first of what they are going to be dealing with, THEN load on some more cutscenes after that. There's been some games I've played where the intro story and dialog drags on and it seems like you don't actually get to START playing the game until a good 30 minutes in. That's inexcusable. That, and games shouldn't "become good" late in the game. That's a problem I had with some games, Final Fantasy XIII included. People ask, "When does it get good?" and others replay, "Wait until you get into a later chapter near the end of the game!". Really? The rule should be, the game should be GOOD from square one! If it takes that long to get good or open up, the game's CRAP! C'mon developers, you don't even fuckin TRY anymore!(And I mean YOU Square Enix).

Anyways, yeah, the intro should be bare basics and to the point.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Weiss Belmont on May 22, 2013, 09:02:47 PM
Ah I see now. Thank you sir.


As you may know, Curse of Darkness isn't only a 3D Castlevania and back in the day (and even now) that was already cause of apathy. It was a hard sell, as it was a RPG inspired by DMC and Pokemon with some hardcore systems, very japanease and... not that good looking. The game is a little bland and it was evident back in the day too. Those looong empty corridors can't be disguised very well.

Those are all exceedingly good points.  :-\ I personally enjoyed the game but yeah, the "Gotta Catch Em All" style gameplay nearly turned me off. I understand the Innocent Devils system kind of built on SotN's familiars but at least with SotN Alucard was pure beastmode without them. But goodness Hector depended on them almost to the extreme. Like a certain Pokemon Master.


Not to mention that it was the sequel to a 15 years old game (Dracula's Curse).

Now THAT is a very good point I never thought about. Dracula's Curse is my second favorite game in the series (it was also the first Castlevania I ever played) so I was totally stoked about Curse of Darkness picking up not long after that game. But your post certainly puts it in perspective. Unless a gamer has been with the series since the NES they wouldn't have much cause to care about Curse of Darkness let alone buy it. It would have made far, far more sense to make a sequel to Lament of Innocence.



To put it simply, not only it was ignored by the press and general public, people were at the time when they last gen is SO last gen (That period tends to end some months after, as GoW2 proved it) it's untouchable. Also, people were saving money for the next big thing. And so, it was a complete and absolute critical and sales flop. Not Judgment levels, but flop anyway.

Lol damn! THAT'S the Curse of Darkness.



And that's what i fear could happen to LoS. Don't forget that GTAV comes in september so September is out of the question. It would leave them October and THAT'S IT. Unless they want it delayed 'til the next year. Whch to be honest is not a bad idea.

Hmm, you make a lot of good points. Bad part about that though is Arkham Origins comes out in October as well. And November sees the release of Watch Dogs and another gotdamn CoD. Unless they somehow ship this thing in August they're kind of screwed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on May 22, 2013, 11:16:11 PM
Cox twitter snippets:

@CastlevaniaLOS at the beginning of CLOS2 will there be a summary of previous events for people who couldn't play the other game(s)? #noDS3D
@Criz_Zone - yes!

Is this a good thing or a bad thing? My head says, uh oh....that recap might be long.

Im betting LoS1 will be mostly recap, while MoF will get the more meaty part of the whole "recap". Since it ties more into LoS2, while LoS1 really just set up the villain.
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Post by: uzo on May 23, 2013, 02:23:25 AM
Cox twitter snippets:

@CastlevaniaLOS at the beginning of CLOS2 will there be a summary of previous events for people who couldn't play the other game(s)? #noDS3D
@Criz_Zone - yes!

Is this a good thing or a bad thing? My head says, uh oh....that recap might be long.

You greatly overestimate the so called depth of LoS's story.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 23, 2013, 02:40:54 AM
You greatly overestimate the so called depth of LoS's story.

I know the story is simple but if I remember correctly there were mentions of several hours of cutscenes, so there is a possibility for MS to stretch it to more than what is necessary.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 23, 2013, 02:57:49 AM
Apparently, they finished the editing of the new trailer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on May 23, 2013, 03:06:41 AM
I wonder how they are going to recap the convoluted plot of the first LoS? When writing for the wiki it took me at least several paragraphs.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Weiss Belmont on May 23, 2013, 06:10:53 AM
I wonder how they are going to recap the convoluted plot of the first LoS? When writing for the wiki it took me at least several paragraphs.

The Prince of Darkness was not always an ignoble demon but was once a pious man. A member of the Brotherhood of Light, he dedicated his life to fighting the forces of evil. His journey through the lands of the old gods forced him to confront demons both immaterial and very real until he confronted the author of his agony, Satan himself. Although Gabriel emerged victorious, his soul could not endure the revelations that the God he served allowed a multitude of sorrows to befall him. In renouncing his faith he was like unto the demons he spent his life fighting against. Embittered with anger he battled the minions of hell, vampires, and even the Forgotten One. Though the Forgotten One was an ancient evil god of unimaginable power, he too fell to Gabriel's fury but he would not be the last.

Now known as The Dragon, Gabriel's rage would extend to even his own descendants as he would later fell Trevor Belmont, his own son. One day, a warrior emerged, whose power and faith was even more power than that of Trevor Belmont's and that man was Simon Belmont, Trevor's own son. Armed with his faith, the Vampire Killer, and assistance from an "enigmatic" vampire known as Alucard, Simon would eventually slay The Dragon.

But...

The nightmare was far from over.



See that? That took me 10 minutes. That's the entire LOS series up until LOS2. I'm not talking shit about the game because I greatly enjoyed LOS but let's cut the crap. You don't need hours of cutscenes to recap the major points. And for everyone who's going to bitch [cause that's what you people do] about the fact that I left out Gabriel's wife and the Lords of Shadow save it.

Summed up right here:

His journey through the lands of the old gods forced him to confront demons both immaterial and very real until he confronted Satan himself. And although Gabriel emerged victorious, his soul could not endure the revelations that the God he served allowed a multitude of sorrows to befall him.
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Post by: A-Yty on May 23, 2013, 06:28:44 AM
God drops a mask. Three pious people achieve nirvana, which leaves their bad sides behind. One of those bad people is a necromancer. Assisted by Satan (without him knowing it) he becomes the baddest of them all. He manipulates some guy, who was abandoned as a baby on the doorsteps of his brotherhood, into killing his wife. This guy speaks in a Scottish accent while believed to be the bastard of a nobleman with a Swedish family name. Yet he chooses himself a French surname.  Anyway, he kills his wife. The wife had a kid before this, but didn't bother telling that guy, for some reason. The wife killer guy assembles the mask because he thinks he can resurrect his wife before her corpse gets stinky.

The necromancer guy and Satan are overjoyed by the assembly of the mask, which is funny since the mask turns out to be just something that makes thing look nicer. This item, believed to be incredibly powerful is pretty much never mentioned again after Satan puts it on and air-jousts with the wife killer. God exists in this world, but he was kept out of these events because the necromancer guy did a spell. Yeah..I know. Well, at least He wasn't beaten by a gang of kids with hockey sticks and trapped in a coma body.

Wife killer guy kills some horned demon, drinks vampire blood and starts calling himself a dragon, for some reason. His secret son later comes to his castle. I guess he turns him into a vampire too. I don't know. I haven't played that game. Anyway, his son doesn't have a Scottish accent, but his son does.

Fast forward to today. This is that game. Are you bad enough dude to save the president?
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Post by: Nagumo on May 23, 2013, 07:29:45 AM
^That's a very rushed recap. I suppose it's good enough but a lot of important bits are missing. This was my attempt (from the article about the Belmonts):


This incarnation of the Belmont family was founded by Gabriel Belmont, a knight who belonged to an order called the Brotherhood of Light. He was raised by the order after he was left at their doorstep when he was an infant. Gabriel took the surname of Belmont, after his love of mountains and the high places of the World.

In the year 1047, Gabriel's wife Marie was was brutally murdered by supernatural forces, leaving her soul unable to pass on due to a dark spell. Gabriel is sent by the Brotherhood of Light to the Lake of Oblivion, a place where the living can converse with the deceased. There, his deceased wife, Marie, tells him that the power of the Lords of Shadow, evil overlords who each rule their own domain, can save the world. Their power is derived from a powerful device called the God Mask. Another man from the Brotherhood called Zobek, introduces himself to Gabriel and tells him that, according to a prophecy, a pure-hearted warrior will claim the Lords of Shadow's powers to save the world. The God Mask would also allow Gabriel to bring back Marie.

With the help of Zobek, Gabriel travels to two Lord's domains, defeats them, and manages to retrieve their respective mask pieces. When he finally confronts the final Lord, it turns out Gabriel was manipulated by Zobek in eliminating the other Lords and collecting their mask pieces. With the power of the full God Mask, Zobek would be all powerful. In order to motivate Gabriel to do this task for him, Zobek controlled Gabriel's mind and commanded him to kill Marie. Zobek's actions are revealed to be puppeteered by Satan himself.

After being victorious in a climatic battle with Satan and saving the world, Gabriel uses the God Mask to resurrect Marie. However, the Mask only has the power to see through God's eyes. Marie lied to him so that he would save the world.

Afterwards, through a series of events, Gabriel becomes a vampire in order to save the world yet again, this time from a powerful demon called The Forgotten One. After defeating the monster, he absorbed its powers and unleashes his anger on the world himself. He becomes known as the Dark Lord Dracula and declares war on the Brotherhood of Light, who, according to him, are the reason for his suffering.

XX

Overall pretty lenghty and confusing for a Castlevania game I'd say.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on May 23, 2013, 07:38:54 AM
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One day, a warrior emerged, whose power and faith was even more power than over 9000

fix'd

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Fast forward to today. This is that game. Are you bad enough dude to save the president?

+1
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Weiss Belmont on May 23, 2013, 07:46:36 AM
Overall pretty lenghty and confusing for a Castlevania game I'd say.

To your credit nothing about your summary was confusing or lengthy. Whether intentional or accidental you summed up two games, and for fucks sake people let's get real. We're not talking about Metal Gear here. There isn't a single game in the Castlevania series that needs more than two paragraphs to summarize. I point this out because for those wondering how they're going to recap LOS and Mirror of Fate in LOS2, it is not difficult. I'm sorry people but Castlevania is not The Illiad. It doesn't take an hour long cutscene, or even one cutscene to recap the last two games. Give a paragraph to each game, two at the most and you're done. While they have the liberty to jazz it up and make it flashy, it is not "necessary".
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Post by: Maedhros on May 23, 2013, 11:32:57 AM
To your credit nothing about your summary was confusing or lengthy. Whether intentional or accidental you summed up two games, and for fucks sake people let's get real. We're not talking about Metal Gear here. There isn't a single game in the Castlevania series that needs more than two paragraphs to summarize. I point this out because for those wondering how they're going to recap LOS and Mirror of Fate in LOS2, it is not difficult. I'm sorry people but Castlevania is not The Illiad. It doesn't take an hour long cutscene, or even one cutscene to recap the last two games. Give a paragraph to each game, two at the most and you're done. While they have the liberty to jazz it up and make it flashy, it is not "necessary".
Yup, people are getting out of hand with LoS bash. :P

They can recap the story of LoS with two paragraphs if they want. Hell, they're not obligued to tell the entire story for the people, they just want to give people the key events of the story. If they want to find out how these happenned, play the fucking game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on May 23, 2013, 12:05:10 PM
It should be a rule that intros should be no more than 5 minutes long(that's if there's some story/background info to relay). And I mean in ALL games, even RPGs. They should let you enter control of your character as soon as possible to the player could get a good feel of the gameplay, because, esepcially in story heavy games(RPGs in particular), there is ALWAYS time for story exposition and character interaction, but let the player get the feel first of what they are going to be dealing with, THEN load on some more cutscenes after that. There's been some games I've played where the intro story and dialog drags on and it seems like you don't actually get to START playing the game until a good 30 minutes in. That's inexcusable. That, and games shouldn't "become good" late in the game. That's a problem I had with some games, Final Fantasy XIII included. People ask, "When does it get good?" and others replay, "Wait until you get into a later chapter near the end of the game!". Really? The rule should be, the game should be GOOD from square one! If it takes that long to get good or open up, the game's CRAP! C'mon developers, you don't even fuckin TRY anymore!(And I mean YOU Square Enix).

Anyways, yeah, the intro should be bare basics and to the point.
I find many games to have that problem. I'm always saying "Stop talking, I want to start playing!". Then yes, I have no problem with good stories, even if they are long, but there's a trend these days that the good stuff of the game happens at the beginning and ending, thus, middle chapters (sometimes that can be 10 hours or more) are fillers. What does this mean? It means what I've been thinking for a few years: games now are excessively and unnecessarily long. If you don't know how to add something interesting in the middle, keep it short and good, don't add boring hours.
IMO, most games should last less than 10 hours. They must be very (really) good to keep everyone's interest after that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on May 26, 2013, 09:47:31 PM
The most intriguing thing about LoS2 so far is the addition of a 3D camera, which is something I really like/want in 3D Castlevania games. On the other hand, combining SotN design with LoS1, which is what it sounds like it's doing, is not my cup of tea--though, it could be very successful, nevertheless. I'm at least a little more curious than I was before.

New interview/info: http://www.oxm.co.uk/53950/new-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-gameplay-details-konami-talks-world-story-and-combat/ (http://www.oxm.co.uk/53950/new-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-gameplay-details-konami-talks-world-story-and-combat/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 27, 2013, 12:19:19 AM
That's an interesting article.

I'll be waiting for the upcoming trailer. It will be shown at E3 right?
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Post by: Vampire Killer on May 27, 2013, 03:58:58 AM
Will almost definitely be getting this. Still haven't played MoF though.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 27, 2013, 08:36:01 AM
Will almost definitely be getting this. Still haven't played MoF though.

Really?

Than why is it still listed as your favorite game?
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Post by: Vampire Killer on May 27, 2013, 10:42:10 AM
Because I'm pure evil. Evil I tells ya! EVIL!!!




















































































 >:(EVIL! >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 28, 2013, 10:23:45 PM
Cox's twitter:

@CastlevaniaLOS  Hi dave, is Dracula the only Playable character in LOS2?
@RoKaneshiro - Yes

So there you have it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on May 29, 2013, 12:07:32 AM
So... no Julius.
...no Alucard.
...no nothing.

...

...no 1.999.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on May 29, 2013, 01:47:33 AM
So... no Julius.
...no Alucard.
...no nothing.

...

...no 1.999.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on May 29, 2013, 02:00:37 AM
So... no Julius.
...no Alucard.
...no nothing.

...

...no 1.999.
Uh, tell me how you can deduce that from the fact that Gabriel is the only playable character  :o

Alucard is in the trailer, a Belmont is confirmed... wut
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on May 29, 2013, 02:07:49 AM
Well, it is possibly to deduce that from the characters. There isn't going to be an all-out war between humanity and Dracula with a Belmont, a Belnades, etc. in the front lines. It might be the "MercurySteam version of 1999". I really hope it won't be, though. They chose to be a separate story, so they should act like it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on May 29, 2013, 02:52:18 AM
Cox already denied this was going to their version of 1999 (thankfully). It's IGA's story, and he should be the one to tell it.

There's also the juicy rumor that IGA personally vetoed the name Julius.  :) 
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Post by: Dremn on May 29, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
Castlevania 1999 would be a really nice way to make up for MoF. While I enjoyed it, I know it's the least well received handheld Castlevania to date. The people want IGA back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on May 29, 2013, 11:48:21 AM
Castlevania 1999 would be a really nice way to make up for MoF. While I enjoyed it, I know it's the least well received handheld Castlevania to date. The people want IGA back.
You =/= the people.
Heck, most of the "people" don't know that a IGA is.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on May 29, 2013, 12:42:31 PM
Well, here is the thing. The LoS Saga is inspired and it borrows alot of Locations and Characters (Mostly name drops) from the Classic Timeline, especially IGA's take. Rinaldo's disappearance is one of the biggest mysteries in the game and MoF made it alot more significance to Rinaldo, not just as a backstory but one of the old men who came to collect baby Trevor is actually Rinaldo's younger brother and the mysterious Toy Maker used to be Rinaldo's best disciple. Now the modern times, Dracula's final fight is one of the anticipated stories to tell. Now Cox, who borrows the stories from the OT. He will put alot of references in prior to the game and I wouldn't be suprised if the game took place in 1999. LoS2 is the final game and therefore it's going to be Gabriel's final fate whether he emerges as being Victorious, defeated or just freedom from Immortality. If Cox isn't going to use Julius, he is either going to make a new Vampire Slayer (Insert your name here) Belmont. The most ironic thing that can happen is if the final battle with Dracula would be with Leon Belmont in 1999. I would trip the F*** out. I'm keeping my expectations low this time so I can "convince" myself to be impressed unlike what the last two games did... and my hype train was a Japanese Bullet Train... It crashed.  :'(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 29, 2013, 12:43:42 PM
posting just to bump this back up the page.

Some spambot is spamming the hell out of this section with reviews lol.
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Post by: crisis on May 29, 2013, 12:50:15 PM
Quote
but one of the old men who came to collect baby Trevor is actually Rinaldo's younger brother

what
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 29, 2013, 01:29:46 PM
Dang, he is still at it lol.

In case your wondering I am referring to the review spam guy in the section.

I would not have as much of a problem with it if it where not for the fact that,

a. It pushes more interesting topics to the bottom

and

b.He could have just made 1 topic for all his reviews.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2013, 02:00:55 PM
what

Not to sure if it was explained in the game but I remember hearing somewhere (probably on Cox's twitter, again not entirely sure) that the elder of the brotherhood is Rinaldo's younger brother, who was in all likelihood killed by Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2013, 02:24:42 PM
There's also the juicy rumor that IGA personally vetoed the name Julius.  :)
IMO I don't see how he could, he doesnt OWN the character, but personally, I really kind of want to see a MS Julius. Somon already blew me away with the redheaded barbarian beard of power, Julius would be awesome.

Though didn't they say somewhere it would be an original Belmont?
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Post by: beingthehero on May 29, 2013, 04:48:26 PM
Somon already blew me away

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on May 29, 2013, 05:01:52 PM
IMO I don't see how he could, he doesnt OWN the character, but personally, I really kind of want to see a MS Julius. Somon already blew me away with the redheaded barbarian beard of power, Julius would be awesome.

Though didn't they say somewhere it would be an original Belmont?

Instead of Julius Belmont, they create a female equivalent named Julia Belmont, daughter of Sonia Belmont. :P


Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2013, 06:14:50 PM
Instead of Julius Belmont, they create a female equivalent named Julia Belmont, daughter of Sonia Belmont. :P
That...
That actually sounds pretty good...

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Oh boy what have i done.
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Post by: VladCT on May 29, 2013, 06:29:20 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi228.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee35%2Fbeingthehero%2Fsomon_zps1d4c78e4.png&hash=e3494f76e91761d092b62dc998ccc41f)
trover pls
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on May 29, 2013, 07:21:36 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-13-several-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-details-emerge (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-13-several-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-details-emerge)

A new article. Still... Light and Dark Magic are still there, but I suppose they play differently.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jestercolony on May 29, 2013, 07:57:07 PM
A mastery system, eh? I am actually very interested in this. I am glad Mist Form is back, but I really hope we'll be able to shift into a wolf or a bat as well, other wise, I'mma be one pissed off nerd.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on May 29, 2013, 09:27:19 PM
I
but I really hope we'll be able to shift into a wolf
If anything, the artwork shows wolf companions/familiars.
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Post by: flyingchai on May 29, 2013, 10:14:58 PM
Not to sure if it was explained in the game but I remember hearing somewhere (probably on Cox's twitter, again not entirely sure) that the elder of the brotherhood is Rinaldo's younger brother, who was in all likelihood killed by Dracula.

No. 

Cox's original tweet:
CastlevaniaLOS @TEKKENGOOD - His younger brother! Actually just a brotherhood elder :)
--------------------
Translation: "His younger brother" = jest.
"Actually just a brotherhood elder" = the reality of who the elder is.


Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on May 29, 2013, 10:16:40 PM
Julia Belmont?
A female protagonist sounds good, but MS just would NEVER, EVER do it.
From what I've seen, they must think that women stay must in the house, give birth, be protected by powerful men or turn into ghosts.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on May 29, 2013, 10:42:06 PM
Not to mention Dracula, oh pardon me, "Dracul" is the protagonist. And a Julia Belmont would be exactly the the kind of shallow, pointless sort of thing I expect from a Hollywood production. Like how the little girl in "Silent Hill" is "Sharon" for no reason at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on May 30, 2013, 01:42:30 AM
Julia Belmont?
A female protagonist sounds good, but MS just would NEVER, EVER do it.
From what I've seen, they must think that women stay must in the house, give birth, be protected by powerful men or turn into ghosts.

Sypha Belnades, one of gaming's first badass non-sexualized female playable characters, relegated to kitchen bitch status in Lords of Shadow canon.

Oh also, Claudia's only plot relevance was to get stabbed to death. You know, despite the high level of skill and power, plus black knight control, she actually displayed.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 30, 2013, 05:30:44 AM
Sypha Belnades, one of gaming's first badass non-sexualized female playable characters, relegated to kitchen bitch status and a magic shield for Simon in Lords of Shadow canon.

Oh also, Claudia's only plot relevance was to get stabbed to death. You know, despite the high level of skill and power, plus black knight control, she actually displayed.

Made a slight correction but your point still stands.

Also this subject regarding women in thr LOS verse has spilled into two threads now, maybe it's time we had a separate thread about it? I'd make it myself but I know it's a touchy subject matter and Im a bit of a wuss to make it tbh.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on May 30, 2013, 12:59:10 PM
Sypha Belnades, one of gaming's first badass non-sexualized female playable characters, relegated to kitchen bitch status in Lords of Shadow canon.

Oh also, Claudia's only plot relevance was to get stabbed to death. You know, despite the high level of skill and power, plus black knight control, she actually displayed.
That's what I was talking about yesterday on the other post.

Also this subject regarding women in thr LOS verse has spilled into two threads now, maybe it's time we had a separate thread about it? I'd make it myself but I know it's a touchy subject matter and Im a bit of a wuss to make it tbh.
Don't worry, I will make it  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on June 01, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
New screen shots in the Spanish version of gamereactor magazine. It is a free download for the ipad.

Anyone want to translate the article?

http://www.gamereactor.es/ (http://www.gamereactor.es/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jmodlin210 on June 01, 2013, 04:40:40 PM
Can't see the new screenshots for Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 from the Spanish version of gamereactor magazine.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 01, 2013, 05:17:04 PM
IMO I don't see how he could, he doesnt OWN the character, but personally, I really kind of want to see a MS Julius. Somon already blew me away with the redheaded barbarian beard of power, Julius would be awesome.

Though didn't they say somewhere it would be an original Belmont?
It will probably just be DAVID Belmont! ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 01, 2013, 05:38:07 PM
Downloading on my ipad now, will update once finished~

ok downloaded it, but um, all it shows is the trailer. I can see an article with a couple of screenshots on the left hand side but everytime I click on it, the trailer just reboots itself. wtf
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on June 01, 2013, 06:25:21 PM
Damn it crisis, do you not see where it says "Turn iPad to read the rest?" If you have it HORIZONTAL...turn it VERTICAL! Turn your f'ing iPad. I'd translate the rest, but I'm on my phone during a quiet moment at a drinking engagement. Tell me when you get to the part about Dracula throwing up blood on the orb the Paladin was holding and saying "God has shown me another path." Now carry on. ^_-
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 01, 2013, 06:42:32 PM
LOL!!

i accidentally the ipad :<  here you go amigos

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 01, 2013, 06:47:34 PM
Not much new stuff. They say that if the game keeps the quality of that was shown it could b one of the best games of the year. Also, there's a metroid-twist at the beginning (You start with all the abilities and then lose them)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on June 01, 2013, 07:02:23 PM
My theory: Remember how Alucard drained the blood of the bosses and stole their abilities in MoF? I think:
1. Alucard impales Dracul with his "special sword," which I also say is the blade that Gabriel threw back at Pan, killing him, in LOS1.... mounted on the stake of the original Combat Cross.
2. While Dracul's impaled ane unable to move, Alucard bites Dracul and drains his blood...stealing his power, and even returns to how he looked when he was Trevor.

We'll see sooner than later. 



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jmodlin210 on June 01, 2013, 08:16:48 PM
Want the new trailer for 2013 of Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 01, 2013, 10:40:21 PM
If i am not mistaken, the new trailer will be shown at E3.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on June 02, 2013, 02:23:01 AM
Top screenshot from that magazine scan looks promising.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 02, 2013, 11:38:51 AM
I will not upgrade the facts page till e3 since that will be the time most info will be released about this, but the screenshots are good  :)
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Post by: Kingshango on June 02, 2013, 12:26:33 PM
We won't have to wait long, we're getting a new trailer in just a few more days.

It's gonna be a long ass few days.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TheAcer on June 02, 2013, 12:41:34 PM
Konami's Pre-E3 show countdown:

http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=konami-pre-e3-show-2013 (http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=konami-pre-e3-show-2013)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 02, 2013, 01:01:30 PM
Also, there's a metroid-twist at the beginning (You start with all the abilities and then lose them)

Avgn - Godzilla Fuck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptO8BXN3BVE#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 02, 2013, 06:14:19 PM
Not much new stuff. They say that if the game keeps the quality of that was shown it could b one of the best games of the year. Also, there's a metroid-twist at the beginning (You start with all the abilities and then lose them)
Expected. You start as Drac in his prime, to teach you his moves, then you go to modern time as decrepit Drac
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 02, 2013, 07:38:09 PM
So my biggest fear just might come true. A Dracula that takes fall damage, can't fly, has to resort to shimmying like a common Belmont(or mere mortal) and has to attack crates and barrels more than once to break them. A sad bear am I..... :-[

I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't resort to something so cliche, and that they might've come up with a better, more interesting style of play. Though, given they went with the "seen it a mile away" Alucard's "secret identity" in MoF, maybe I was just hoping too much. LOL!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on June 02, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Also, there's a metroid-twist at the beginning (You start with all the abilities and then lose them)

This tired-ass shit again? I suppose it's to much to ask to simply structure the beginning of the game so that you learn things on your own. Seriously the level of hand holding in this era of "epic" gaming is just turning me on to new games all together.

My money is still on this ending up like an updated Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen 2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on June 02, 2013, 10:38:51 PM
Got some scans from the latest Hobby Consolas magazine.

pass: dracul

http://www.sendspace.com/file/zkt8t4 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/zkt8t4)


-MS showed the E3 demo.
-Development at 60%.
-3 weapons: Blood whip for basic attacks, Void Sword for magic attacks and Chaos Claws for breaking enemies guard.
-The game takes place in one night, in the modern world, most of the time the player will be inside the castle
-Demo start with Gabriel sitting in his trone with a chalice in his hands, amazing level of detail (textures, lighting..).
-3 hours of cutscenes with facial mocap.
-Alucard is on the demo (he show up at the end).
-The game will have modern architecture, but it will "in line" with classic Castlevania architecture.
-The E3 demo is focused on gameplay and they will keep the story in secret, it seems that the demo it's the beginning of the game.

English it's not my first language, did my best :)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 02, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
The is not coming this year, count on it
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on June 03, 2013, 01:46:15 AM
I have a doubt about this...
Will it be released for PC?
And if it is, will it be simultaneous with PS3? Or will it be released some months or a year later?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 03, 2013, 03:05:20 AM
If they will release it on PC, it will be later than the PS3. Maybe a year later...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on June 03, 2013, 03:07:58 AM
So my biggest fear just might come true. A Dracula that takes fall damage

I haven't heard anything like that, is that confirmed in the scan or are you just going off assumptions? Granted I wouldn't put it pass them to do this but I just want to be sure.

Everything else from more shimmying and such doesn't surprise me at the slightest, I just hope he'shimmys faster.
The is not coming this year, count on it

March is going to be a very popular month, I can feel it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 03, 2013, 08:06:29 AM
I haven't heard anything like that, is that confirmed in the scan or are you just going off assumptions? Granted I wouldn't put it pass them to do this but I just want to be sure.

Everything else from more shimmying and such doesn't surprise me at the slightest, I just hope he'shimmys faster.
March is going to be a very popular month, I can feel it.
I'm just going off the fact that there is fall damage in LoS and MoF(Alucard even takes damage from falls). I'm guessing, when they depower Drac, it's going to be an excuse to do the same thing to him(basically render him similar to all the heroes in the previous LoS games).

Though, the nail in the coffin(hehehehe) would be(and there's a chance it CAN happen, but also a chance it won't) in the modern era, you play as Dracula and encounter human enemies like security guards or the police, and Dracula dies via being gunned down. The thought of that just churns my stomach. That someone like Dracula can be taken out in a hail of bullets, by some "Joe Schmoe on patrol"!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Flame on June 03, 2013, 09:10:54 AM
I'm just going off the fact that there is fall damage in LoS and MoF(Alucard even takes damage from falls). I'm guessing, when they depower Drac, it's going to be an excuse to do the same thing to him(basically render him similar to all the heroes in the previous LoS games).

Though, the nail in the coffin(hehehehe) would be(and there's a chance it CAN happen, but also a chance it won't) in the modern era, you play as Dracula and encounter human enemies like security guards or the police, and Dracula dies via being gunned down. The thought of that just churns my stomach. That someone like Dracula can be taken out in a hail of bullets, by some "Joe Schmoe on patrol"!
original Canon Dracula was just as much of a chew toy. Anyone who wandered into the castle could beat him.

At least LoS gives justification through him being almost totally depowered (presumably)from his centuries long slumber.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 03, 2013, 09:16:42 AM
original Canon Dracula was just as much of a chew toy. Anyone who wandered into the castle could beat him.

At least LoS gives justification through him being almost totally depowered (presumably)from his centuries long slumber.


I must have been talking crazy..... nah  :P

If I were to describe it in one picture it would be this





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While both have a unique quality I'll go for the "unrefined oaf" over the "pansy"


I  still stand by what I said and say that old cannon Dracula is  a pansy  ;)   :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on June 03, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
I'm just going off the fact that there is fall damage in LoS and MoF(Alucard even takes damage from falls). I'm guessing, when they depower Drac, it's going to be an excuse to do the same thing to him(basically render him similar to all the heroes in the previous LoS games).

Though, the nail in the coffin(hehehehe) would be(and there's a chance it CAN happen, but also a chance it won't) in the modern era, you play as Dracula and encounter human enemies like security guards or the police, and Dracula dies via being gunned down. The thought of that just churns my stomach. That someone like Dracula can be taken out in a hail of bullets, by some "Joe Schmoe on patrol"!


Im %101 sure that Dracula will fall victim to cutscene to gameplay segregation, much like Dante in DMC, Superman in every Superman game, Goku in a DBZ game and any game where you play as an immortal. Bullets will indeed hurt him in gameplay but whether or not he receives fall damage is unknown atm (although he seemed fine when he fell out of the church but once again, cutscene power is in effect there.)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: chainsawmidget on June 03, 2013, 09:22:21 AM
original Canon Dracula was just as much of a chew toy. Anyone who wandered into the castle could beat him.

Anybody that could get to him anyway, but considering that in order to get to him they had to wear past spikes, bottomless pits, maze like passageways, various other traps, and his entire legion of the undead ... well, let's just say I think that cut down on the random Joe Schmoe's that Dracula had to face. 

If you weren't good at your job, you didn't fight Dracula.  You just got scraped off the floor and whatever was left of your body was reanimated and added to the armies of the night. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Neobelmont on June 03, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Im %101 sure that Dracula will fall victim to cutscene to gameplay segregation, much like Dante in DMC, Superman in every Superman game or any game where you play as an immortal. Bullets will indeed hurt him in gameplay but whether or not he receives fall damage is unknown atm (although he seemed fine when he fell out of the church but once again, cutscene power is in effect there.)

That's so ehh why do that? I remember Dante in  dmc1 got impaled by a sword and pulling it out afterward like nothing.

 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 03, 2013, 09:27:02 AM
Quote
Anyone who wandered into the castle could beat him.

OoE Dracula begs to differ.


And I may be the only one that enjoyed fighting Dracula with creampies or paper airplanes to the face. Not everything has to be SUPER SERIOUS & REALISTICALLY GRITTY all the time; at least the old canon programmers had a sense of humor & had fun with what they were working with.

However I'm not too fond of MS' injections of dated internet jokes & Monty Python references as their version of humor, but that's just me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 03, 2013, 09:29:05 AM
OoE Dracula begs to differ.


And I may be the only one that enjoyed fighting Dracula with creampies or paper airplanes to the face. Not everything has to be SUPER SERIOUS & REALISTICALLY GRITTY all the time; at least the old canon programmers had a sense of humor & had fun with what they were working with.

However I'm not too fond of MS' injections of dated internet jokes & Monty Python references as their version of humor, but that's just me.

I remember the "dekuh" tree in los and I thought to my self Zelda cv crossover now.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 03, 2013, 09:38:05 AM
That's so ehh why do that? I remember Dante in  dmc1 got impaled by a sword and pulling it out afterward like nothing.

Or in DMC3 where he was stabbed several times by regular mooks in the intro, shot in the head by Lady, impaled by Vergil twice and he is totally fine in either a few seconds or a couple minutes.
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 03, 2013, 09:45:12 AM
Or in DMC3 where he was stabbed several times by regular mooks in the intro, shot in the head by Lady, impaled by Vergil twice and he is totally fine in either a few seconds or a couple minutes.

True,  at least Ryu does not suffer from this he died by the black samurai in the xbox ninja gaiden right(IIRC) ?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 03, 2013, 09:48:16 AM
I just like how the series liked to make fun of itself here & there. It harkens back to the campiness of CV1. The LoS series just makes random references to other series (mario bros in MoF, Zelda). Yeah that's cute, but I just prefer the "old canon's" quirky version of humor to MercurySteam's. Guess it's just a Japanese thing lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 03, 2013, 09:57:47 AM
I just like how the series liked to make fun of itself here & there. It harkens back to the campiness of CV1. The LoS series just makes random references to other series (mario bros in MoF, Zelda). Yeah that's cute, but I just prefer the "old canon's" quirky version of humor to MercurySteam's. Guess it's just a Japanese thing lol

Both are good and bad. I like both for the most part. But I remember two things from los the small troll waving it's hand to you like "you know what forget you, I'm out of here" and the time the necromancer took the combat cross I was like ahh     >:( but it was funny as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: chainsawmidget on June 03, 2013, 10:36:43 AM
OoE Dracula begs to differ.


And I may be the only one that enjoyed fighting Dracula with creampies or paper airplanes to the face. Not everything has to be SUPER SERIOUS & REALISTICALLY GRITTY all the time; at least the old canon programmers had a sense of humor & had fun with what they were working with.

However I'm not too fond of MS' injections of dated internet jokes & Monty Python references as their version of humor, but that's just me.
Agreed.  I think having weird elements but playing them completely straight ads to the off kilter quirkiness of the game.  It makes it feel more like the bad movies of old.  Sure their monster might have been a bunch of carpet samples glued together, but everybody was going to act like it was still the most deadly thing ever. 

Also, What the series needs is the ROBOT MONSTER as a boss fight. 

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 03, 2013, 11:01:36 AM
original Canon Dracula was just as much of a chew toy. Anyone who wandered into the castle could beat him.

At least LoS gives justification through him being almost totally depowered (presumably)from his centuries long slumber.
LOL, though if we compare both canons, maybe OG canon characters WERE more powerful by default? I mean, where as people in the LoS canon take time to actually kill minor enemies, hell, even destroy crates and barrels, Original Canon Simon, Trevor, hell, even Alucard, rip through them like a hot knife through butter. MoF Trevor has trouble with skeletons and zombies, while OG Trevor's shakes them off as "monsters any toddler vampire hunter could slay". Even if Dracula does nothing but sit in that big old throne room of his, the fact that he even lasts against these heroes who can take enemies out in a few hits(while their LoS counterparts struggle in long battles with them) makes him, IMO, pretty badass. I mean, you'd never see OG Dracula die by gunfire or fall off a cliff to his doom. And it is ALWAYS the best of the best who wander into his castle to confront him. Earth's mightiest heroes, who are badass in their own accord! It's not like you play as "Villager #2" or if "Common Stable Boy" has a chance against Dracula. The Belmonts were always the top of their game, as were Alucard, and then other vampire hunters/magical humans second.

Also calling the original a "chew toy" doesn't help in Gabula's defense. That's like saying, "You pee'd your pants" and you retorting, "Well, you shat yours!". In the end, you just got two people who relieved themselves in their pants. I was hoping(I know it's too much) that MS would've taken the higher route and not resort to that. Again, maybe it's that whole, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!" thing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on June 03, 2013, 01:08:05 PM
LOL, though if we compare both canons, maybe OG canon characters WERE more powerful by default? I mean, where as people in the LoS canon take time to actually kill minor enemies, hell, even destroy crates and barrels, Original Canon Simon, Trevor, hell, even Alucard, rip through them like a hot knife through butter. MoF Trevor has trouble with skeletons and zombies, while OG Trevor's shakes them off as "monsters any toddler vampire hunter could slay". Even if Dracula does nothing but sit in that big old throne room of his, the fact that he even lasts against these heroes who can take enemies out in a few hits(while their LoS counterparts struggle in long battles with them) makes him, IMO, pretty badass.
That's the worst argument ever. "my villain was not weak, it was the heroes that were stronger goddamit!"
That doesn't stop him from being terrible villain in the sense that it had no sense of impact/presence/danger with him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 03, 2013, 01:32:27 PM
At least, LoS may be seen as more "realistic". Ever tried to destroy a crate with a whip?  ;D (j/k)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jmodlin210 on June 03, 2013, 02:16:44 PM
Can't see the Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 scans from the latest Hobby Consolas magazine and can you please send the scans for Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 from the latest Hobby Consolas Magazine that i want to see the pictures?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 03, 2013, 02:19:37 PM
At least, LoS may be seen as more "realistic". Ever tried to destroy a crate with a whip?  ;D (j/k)
If I wanted realism, I'd go out and try to bust open a crate myself! ;D Realism be damned. Save it for the cynics who want to purge fantasy and imagination from this world.

That's the worst argument ever. "my villain was not weak, it was the heroes that were stronger goddamit!"
That doesn't stop him from being terrible villain in the sense that it had no sense of impact/presence/danger with him.
It's all perception. Right now, it's my bias versus YOUR bias.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 03, 2013, 02:36:00 PM
I  still stand by what I said and say that old cannon Dracula is  a pansy  ;)   :P

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 03, 2013, 02:47:18 PM
@Dragonslayr81, I got the perfect solution to all your problems:

1: Get the PC version

2: Enable Invulnerability

3: Enable infinite magic & blood

4: Enable all skills unlocked

5:? ? ?

6:Profit

There problem solved, now you have the Incredible Hulk in Vampire form.  :)

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on June 03, 2013, 08:15:58 PM
-Development at 60%.

Seriously? They expect this to sell well on ps3/xbox360 in 2014? Didn't they learn their lesson with CoD?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 03, 2013, 08:37:01 PM
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 ;D   well it  happens 


Seriously? They expect this to sell well on ps3/xbox360 in 2014? Didn't they learn their lesson with CoD?

Survey says...... maybe.....not?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 04, 2013, 03:11:03 AM
Cox's twitter:

@CastlevaniaLOS will you be able to play as any Belmont or Alucard? Sorry if this has been asked before!
@COrtanez - No. Dracula is the only playable character. Just like CVLOS.

Oh ok.... unless he's lying.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 04, 2013, 04:01:37 AM
Need this picture in a poster NOWWWWWW!!!!!!
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60%..... damm it, 2014...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 04, 2013, 04:14:00 AM
No No No No.

I have read the article and was misunderstood.
The article says:

"We come on the end of the trilogy through a demo (same as teach during the upcoming E3) AND IS CURRENTLY AT 60% of development"

The magazine came out this month, but the interview was almost a month ago, at the time of the interview the demo taught WAS AT 60%, was an unfinished demo.

 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on June 04, 2013, 05:33:55 AM
Hmmm, "finales 2013" means it's going to be released at the end of the year, right?   
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Post by: Bergaron on June 04, 2013, 05:39:02 AM
Exactly, end fo 2013 (October, November or December) Hope October...
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 04, 2013, 08:18:57 AM
Cox's twitter:

@CastlevaniaLOS will you be able to play as any Belmont or Alucard? Sorry if this has been asked before!
@COrtanez - No. Dracula is the only playable character. Just like CVLOS.

Oh ok.... unless he's lying.
Well, he does have a good track record of lying, so we can't really take his word for it. Cox is the master of "cheapo misdirection". He'd take a ball with his left hand, fumble his hands together and then take his clenched right hand and hold it behind his back, opening his left hand while saying, "It disappeared!", while you are saying, "Naw, dude, it's in your other hand!". He then brings out his right hand and says, "It magically appeared in my right hand!! I'm the best at magic tricks!!!".  ;D
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 04, 2013, 09:06:32 AM
Cox's twitter:

@CastlevaniaLOS will you be able to play as any Belmont or Alucard? Sorry if this has been asked before!
@COrtanez - No. Dracula is the only playable character. Just like CVLOS.

Oh ok.... unless he's lying.
You know he's lying, just like when asked if Trevor was Alucard and stuff. he just thinks fans are dumb enough to not see his "surprises" miles away.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 04, 2013, 09:17:32 AM
They just finished to record Zobek's voice apparently, as they were with Patrick Stewart.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 04, 2013, 09:33:33 AM
I guess we will hear a little Zobek in the new E3 trailer... Cox just tweeted this.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 04, 2013, 10:04:43 AM
You know he's lying, just like when asked if Trevor was Alucard and stuff. he just thinks fans are dumb enough to not see his "surprises" miles away.

He's gonna be a DLC character, I can feel it. They'll be stupid not to have him be playable in some form, especially knowing how popular he is.
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Post by: crisis on June 04, 2013, 10:12:19 AM
We also albeit briefly played as Laura in the first LoS. So I doubt Dracugabe will be the sole playable character for the entire game.
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Post by: Pfil on June 04, 2013, 11:31:47 AM
They should have included a full Laura mode in LoS, I kept thinking that after playing a while as her, and more so after finishing the DLC Reverie.
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Post by: Flame on June 04, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Wow is Sir Patrick Stewart really that tall, or are they just short?

Also, considering that loS2 is literally LoS 2, a sequel to the original, which was just Gabe for the whole game with that bit of Laura at the end in the DLC, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just Gabe again. With perhaps an Alucard mini-presence like Laura's.

or just Gabe, with Alucard a boss. (mite b gud)

MoF got away with multiple characters because it was a "side story". Gabe was not the main character.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 04, 2013, 01:17:01 PM
He's gonna be a DLC character, I can feel it. They'll be stupid not to have him be playable in some form, especially knowing how popular he is.

Alucard is popular, but is "Trevorcard"?

But yeah, I can sniff there being DLCs. So technically Cox may be telling the truth (he'll consider DLC as separate).
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Post by: chainsawmidget on June 04, 2013, 06:09:00 PM
Alucard is popular, but is "Trevorcard"?

But yeah, I can sniff there being DLCs. So technically Cox may be telling the truth (he'll consider DLC as separate).
Trevorcard?  We have got to think up a better fan nickname for the guy. 

Trevucard? 
Rovert? 
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Post by: crisis on June 04, 2013, 06:29:52 PM
His name should be Dracula, since Gabriel calls himself Dracul AKA the dragon & Dracula means "son of the dragon"

but fuck logic
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Post by: Flame on June 04, 2013, 07:00:35 PM
His name should be Dracula, since Gabriel calls himself Dracul AKA the dragon & Dracula means "son of the dragon"

but fuck logic
>This continuity's Alucard is literally Dracula as his father is Dracul
>mfw I call him Dracula and let it sink in for a few seconds
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F29.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_l1wsx1R94S1qzmowao1_500.jpg&hash=47acd78fefe2ade4edf93bdf18b1fe2a)
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Post by: A-Yty on June 05, 2013, 03:24:35 AM
Let's call him Ralphie.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 05, 2013, 04:53:39 AM
Let's call him Ralphie.

That is cute.... Sounds like a cute puppy's name.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 05, 2013, 06:55:51 AM
I've compiled a list of fan nicknames:

Trevorcard
Trevucard
Rovert
Ralphie(and yes it does sound like a dogs name, and he does change into a wolf so...)
Robb Stark(take two wild guesses why)
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Post by: A-Yty on June 05, 2013, 07:38:48 AM
I think Trevcard is pretty accurate.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 05, 2013, 09:32:03 AM
I'm for Trevorcard, hahaha.
But I've always had a soft spot for Ralph. :P
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Post by: Dremn on June 05, 2013, 09:08:22 PM
13 hours left until Konami's E3.

Getting a tad excited.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 05, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
Im keeping all hopes and expectations in check so I won't be disappointed, so im moderately hyped.
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Post by: Little Dracula on June 05, 2013, 11:13:18 PM
I hope it's a good event for the game, and please no more CG trailer, just gameplay.
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Post by: Dremn on June 05, 2013, 11:19:31 PM
I hope it's a good event for the game, and please no more CG trailer, just gameplay.
We're supposed to be getting a playable showfloor demo, so if the trailer doesn't have it, the demo will.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 05, 2013, 11:50:50 PM
Excited to see more today. After the LoS to PC announcement, I'm super happy.
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Post by: Pfil on June 05, 2013, 11:57:28 PM
Maybe Trevorcard should be named Leirbag, or Lucard.
Jokes aside, I'm not very hyped because I know I won't like the music, but after enjoying MoF a little and seeing some screenshots from LoS 2, I think maybe this game could look as I like Castlevania to look.

Anyway, my secret wish is another one:
Does anyone believe they will, by chance, reveal a new character, some reboot version of Sonia, Maria, Charlotte, Carrie or Shanoa, or perhaps a Laura full-mode?
I mean, their vision of some of this characters.
Or perhaps one of these female characters, though not playable.
Anyone thought about that?

Anyway, I wish the best for this event. I'm a 100% MetroidVania fan, but I'm not one that is hoping for this to be a disaster, I'd prefer it to be as close as possible to my wishes, so I can enjoy the game instead of being whining about it.

The best wishes!  :)
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Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
If IGA would show up at E3 and announce something new, I would be so happy. No evidence either way that he is there, though.  :-\ 
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Post by: Inccubus on June 06, 2013, 01:50:22 AM
Maybe Trevorcard should be named Leirbag, or Lucard.
Jokes aside, I'm not very hyped because I know I won't like the music, but after enjoying MoF a little and seeing some screenshots from LoS 2, I think maybe this game could look as I like Castlevania to look.

Anyway, my secret wish is another one:
Does anyone believe they will, by chance, reveal a new character, some reboot version of Sonia, Maria, Charlotte, Carrie or Shanoa, or perhaps a Laura full-mode?
I mean, their vision of some of this characters.
Or perhaps one of these female characters, though not playable.
Anyone thought about that?

Anyway, I wish the best for this event. I'm a 100% MetroidVania fan, but I'm not one that is hoping for this to be a disaster, I'd prefer it to be as close as possible to my wishes, so I can enjoy the game instead of being whining about it.

The best wishes!  :)

Hmmm... If I were to venture a guess as to what the most likely Hollywood-ized interpretation of one of these chicks MS would do... Maria re-imagined as the reincarnation of Marie. -_-
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 06, 2013, 01:51:18 AM
For me it's the same like last year, i don't hope for much, but for something that it might impress me less or more.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 06, 2013, 04:37:40 AM
I'm with Dark Nemesis regarding the E3 show.

I vote for the name Trevorcard.
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Post by: Melanicus on June 06, 2013, 05:19:14 AM
I'm for Trevorcard, hahaha.
But I've always had a soft spot for Ralph. :P

Aluralph, perhaps?  ;D
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 06, 2013, 09:45:20 AM
Show starts in 10 minutes approx. See you there!
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Post by: Melanicus on June 06, 2013, 10:24:43 AM
Looks A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
LOS2 at 15:30

KONAMI Pre-E3 SHOW 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvnyT1R8J8#ws)
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Post by: Foffy on June 06, 2013, 10:28:39 AM
Oh my, who are the two ladies in the trailer?
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 10:33:30 AM
Well, geez, that was way more LoS2 than I expected to see.

The younger Trevor hanging with Dracula made me go "UH WHAT."

Snagged a shot of Alucard.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FW9HuNPd.png&hash=1a5ed38bc04660f3e853d41524df14e9)
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 06, 2013, 10:33:52 AM
Oh my, who are the two ladies in the trailer?
Carmilla and Marie, I think.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2013, 10:34:40 AM
I did not expect to see so many new characters. Most of them seem to appear in the past.

- Alucard
- Some kid (looks like a young Trevor to me)
- Brotherhood lady
- Brotherhood knight

I probably missed a few.
 
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Post by: Little Dracula on June 06, 2013, 10:37:12 AM
Holy molly the trailer, I hope they didn't spoiled half the game, but it was epic, I like everything.

Coming this winter.
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Post by: somasworld on June 06, 2013, 10:38:48 AM
maria is back :) :)

maybe he can bring her back now in this game !!! that would be awesome :)) :)))
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Post by: Maedhros on June 06, 2013, 10:39:18 AM
Alucard looks pretty boss. WHY isn't he playable again?
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Post by: Thomas Belmont on June 06, 2013, 10:40:28 AM
Can't wait for this game! I was hoping that it would have had an Autumn release date.
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 10:41:14 AM
Alucard looks pretty boss. WHY isn't he playable again?
I think he will be. If not in the main game, then DLC, most likely.

I wonder if Simon or any new Belmonts will show up.
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Post by: TheCruelAngel on June 06, 2013, 10:44:19 AM
Trailer looked pretty sweet! Again, MS with spectacular environments, really excited to go exploring through this world (open environment with no load times, what?!). :D

Other things of note, toward the end of the trailer it looks like Gabula and the Angel Knight dude were facing off, with the Angel Knight dude's helmet off and holding a combat cross before everyone gets enveloped in light. I wonder what the significance of that will be and if he maybe another Belmont?

I also wonder how much old man Drac we'll get to play in the modern city vs younger Gabula in his castle. How will Trevucard interact with the story? Extra character? Boss fights? DLC?

Needless to say, definitely picking this game up.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 10:46:41 AM
Alucard looks better here than he did in MoF.

Thank god.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2013, 10:50:26 AM
You know, when Cox said, "we got one more suprise for you", I was expecting another CV announcement.  :'(
 
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 10:52:12 AM
You know, when Cox, "we got one more suprise for you", I was expecting another CV announcement.  :'(

Funny enough, I though IGA was gonna pop out of the casket and announce a new 3DS Castlevania game developed by his newly formed team.
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 10:53:51 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKjo9G2l.jpg&hash=fc5f71eeb0449146da9b2e395de9c7c9)

Man, this series.
Funny enough, I though IGA was gonna pop out of the casket and announce a new 3DS Castlevania game developed by his newly formed team.
I did too.
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Post by: JR on June 06, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
Trailer looked pretty interesting. I'll be picking this one up regardless, but I'm glad it looks like fun. Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm glad the LoS storyline is wrapping up, too. I honestly wouldn't mind any future games doing the same thing, limiting their universe to several games each.

Could've done without the painfully unfunny Mega64 skit at the end. What happened to those guys? Their stuff used to be a lot better.
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Post by: crisis on June 06, 2013, 10:55:03 AM
"I'm not Dracula... I'm Jeff."

"Hey, dad? Can you come pick me up? I think I just shit my pants."

LOL


This game is gonna be boss, all the monster designs look great, wish they would've showed more of the platforming. I wonder who that mysterious kid is? And that lady looks like pre-vampirized Carmilla.

I am excite.
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 10:57:49 AM
And that lady looks like pre-vampirized Carmilla.
I'm a little surprised at myself I didn't realize that's exactly who she is. I'm even more surprised you're excited about this, Crisis. I thought you weren't a fan of LoS.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 06, 2013, 10:59:20 AM
wish they would've showed more of the platforming.
You meant parkour. Dracula's doing parkour... WOW...
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 10:59:47 AM
Also, it's nice to see Hewie from Haunting Ground get more work. ;D
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Post by: A-Yty on June 06, 2013, 11:00:39 AM
I'm pretty sure I could take that Brotherhood woman down easy (heh). That armor leaves her pretty vulnerable.
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Post by: Little Dracula on June 06, 2013, 11:01:54 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fimg%2Fbscap0015rvj7s.jpg&hash=f7139d04a6b50515b1e6b9b8f33f62b4)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fimg%2Fsinttulo-1ltkbz.jpg&hash=bd15ae91e2e5cb5164cf38bee81e69ce)


(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fimg%2Fbscap0016q3jmw.jpg&hash=42d375eb44c6b00f7061d119b72a0925)

Shadows?.
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Post by: Bergaron on June 06, 2013, 11:03:23 AM
I admit, I'm impressed and I uploaded my hype. I expect many changes because the told me (but had not seen them visually).

I am cautious about the "open world", but the story promises will certainly be a great end to the series Lord of Shadow. And honestly for me, LOS spin-off, will be remembered with love and affection in the world Castlevania (well, MoF .... no, good technique but in wrong game design and wrong console, for me LOS is LOS1 & LOS2 xD)

What I liked. "is a tragic story, almost say cruel", that's how it has to be a Castlevania, no beautiful end ... cruel, harsh, bloody and dark.

Day one for me, of course in PC (i sell my PS3 and xbox360 many month ago).
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Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2013, 11:03:45 AM
I was expecting they would show a glimpse of the new Belmont character. I hope it isn't that lame angel looking guy, but probably.
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Post by: TheCruelAngel on June 06, 2013, 11:04:33 AM
Funny enough, I though IGA was gonna pop out of the casket and announce a new 3DS Castlevania game developed by his newly formed team.

In my heart of hearts, I was really hoping IGA was going to pop up from the casket, or go Belmont on Jeff along with a new IGA 3DS title.  :(
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 06, 2013, 11:06:24 AM
I thought it'd be that child.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
I was expecting they would show a glimpse of the new Belmont character. I hope it isn't that lame angel looking guy, but probably.

It's a brotherhood paladin.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2013, 11:08:32 AM
It's a brotherhood paladin.

Hmmm, I guess they have Combat Crosses, too. I forgot about that.
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
I was expecting they would show a glimpse of the new Belmont character. I hope it isn't that lame angel looking guy, but probably.
They're probably not going to reveal the new Belmont in any trailers.
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Post by: Kamirine on June 06, 2013, 11:09:42 AM
That trailer was actually impressive.  Damn Cox, getting me hyped up.  I want to play just for the story at this point.  Even if Gabe dies, I want him to get his revenge and happiness he deserves.
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Post by: crisis on June 06, 2013, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: OSM
I'm even more surprised you're excited about this, Crisis. I thought you weren't a fan of LoS.

Just because I was overly critical of LoS doesn't mean I wasn't a fan of it. I even own a Gabriel Belmont action figure!


That pre-rendered screenshot of that tubby man is the Toymaker from MoF, for those that are unaware. He was Gandolfi's pupil before falling to the Dark Side of the Force.

I don't think that child is Trevor; the first time Trevor meets Dracula is when he's an adult in MoF.

I'm also hoping for multiple endings!
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Post by: Dominus on June 06, 2013, 11:14:41 AM
I thought it'd be that child.

I think that's Laura, minus a ton of hair
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
Just because I was overly critical of LoS doesn't mean I wasn't a fan of it. I even own a Gabriel Belmont action figure!
I didn't even know they had Gabriel action figures. o__O
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Post by: crisis on June 06, 2013, 11:17:00 AM
They don't  ;)
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 06, 2013, 11:19:17 AM
When the trailer said, "Our Brightest Hope" and then Gabriel takes out a pocketwatch like device that summons Siberian Wolf and then cues to "Or our Darkest Nightmare" with him sucking blood; I think of it as that they may have a multiple ending decision making plot, which would be pretty cool.

If you're good guy Gabula, you are redeemed by giving free wolf pups to everyone...
If you're being Dracula, then you will succeed in bringing the world into chaos...and then Alucard mode, maybe... Julius? DoS anybody?...
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Post by: crisis on June 06, 2013, 11:21:27 AM
Multiple Endings would be a good decision, it could be like The Force Unleashed, where you can choose the "Dark Side" by killing Vader or the "Light Side" by sparing him. Except here it would be different, but the same concept.
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 06, 2013, 11:22:46 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fimg%2Fbscap0015rvj7s.jpg&hash=f7139d04a6b50515b1e6b9b8f33f62b4)

Well  I  just woke up like a minute ago and well this is one heck of a wake up call. And yes Marie is beautiful as well as the other brotherhood girl.

Either way I'll be updating the facts page with the trailer and other info we can get so folks do not have to look some 10 maybe 15 pages behind for info.  That all  right guys and gals?   :)  Mind you I just woke up and I probably feel as bad as drac him self waking up  :P
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Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2013, 11:23:01 AM
Any rumors from 4chan or whatever? 
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Post by: GuyStarwind on June 06, 2013, 11:29:55 AM
Overall my reaction was smeh. However, I won't pass final judgement from just watching a trailer.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 11:33:43 AM
Lords of Shadow 2 is currently trending on Twitter.

Any rumors from 4chan or whatever? 

Nope. Not now at least.
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
Any rumors from 4chan or whatever?
Leak guy told us Trevor would appear in the trailer, and his younger incarnation did. I don't know if he's on right now but he refused to tell us any more than that.

Oh, he also replied when someone said "the LoS series has had no Medusa Heads." He said "Oh you will love one of LoS2's bosses then."
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Post by: crisis on June 06, 2013, 11:33:59 AM
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There are several similarities in the design, but also several differences. Hmm...
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 06, 2013, 11:34:21 AM
Well for those who do not want to go pack a couple pages I found the trailer on line without the conference

and updated the fact page as well with it so those late to the party just tell them to go there please  ;D

and just for good measure here

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Trailer (E3 2013) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi7wkl1VNPE#ws)

I hope this video does not get taken down. well If it does I'll find another.  ;)
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Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2013, 11:36:41 AM
Leak guy told us Trevor would appear in the trailer, and his younger incarnation did. I don't know if he's on right now but he refused to tell us any more than that.

Yeah, it was already pretty obvious that kid was a younger version of Trevor. So I guess the plot is going to involve time travel, too? 
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 06, 2013, 11:39:43 AM
Yeah, it was already pretty obvious that kid was a younger version of Trevor. So I guess the plot is going to involve time travel, too?

A younger Trevor. Now we are dealing with time travel? Man with the blue and all I was thinking Richter   :'( Also ahem Alucard looks kind of cool  :-[ Now we need a belmont Julius or Juste someone please MS. I have my faith restored quite a bit after this.
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Post by: crisis on June 06, 2013, 11:40:58 AM
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Yeah, it was already pretty obvious that kid was a younger version of Trevor.

I wouldn't say that for sure. I mean, if it is Trevor, how & why would he be inside Dracula's castle at such a young age when he was being raised/trained at the Brotherhood? And keep in mind Dracula was in exile for at least 25 years after the Resurrection DLC, so how could Trevor or anyone else discover him before he came out of hiding?
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Post by: Nagumo on June 06, 2013, 11:41:53 AM
Well, I'm just purely basing this on his design. But I'm sure MS have their wacky plot twist ready.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 11:44:34 AM
Is that giant snake like creature at the end Medusa?
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Post by: Gecko on June 06, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
Just because I was overly critical of LoS doesn't mean I wasn't a fan of it. I even own a Gabriel Belmont action figure!


That pre-rendered screenshot of that tubby man is the Toymaker from MoF, for those that are unaware. He was Gandolfi's pupil before falling to the Dark Side of the Force.

I don't think that child is Trevor; the first time Trevor meets Dracula is when he's an adult in MoF.

I'm also hoping for multiple endings!


SPECULATION:
Maybe the people that appear to be Marie, Carmilla, and young Trevor, are all reproductions made by the Toymaker. So Gabriel can pretend that everything is okay, and everyone is all together happy.  :'(
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 11:49:09 AM
Yeah, it was already pretty obvious that kid was a younger version of Trevor. So I guess the plot is going to involve time travel, too?
Probably just ghosts from Gabriel's past. Could just be Alucard messing with him.
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Post by: KyleVoakes on June 06, 2013, 11:50:44 AM
Leak guy told us Trevor would appear in the trailer, and his younger incarnation did. I don't know if he's on right now but he refused to tell us any more than that.
Trevor appeared at 3:42. My guess is that the boy is Richter Belmont, a prisoner in the castle, while the woman from the brotherhood is his mother. Truly, she looks a lot like Carmilla's portrait, but she also lacks the brooch in the portrait as well. Also, it'll be safe to say that it's custom for all paladins from the order to wear standard issue outfits, as Gabriel, Zobek, and Cornell (from his portrait) have similar armors between them.
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 06, 2013, 11:54:20 AM
Probably just ghosts from Gabriel's past. Could just be Alucard messing with him.

Alucard cannot be that powerful right?

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There are several similarities in the design, but also several differences. Hmm...

Both of them have something in common guess what. Their both ladies of the night and their kind of hot (not going to lie) gab and al look hella cool and the ladies this time like their going to kick some butt  And who does not like a butt-kicking girl  ;D
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 11:56:34 AM
Alucard cannot be that powerful right?
The trailer did say Gabe would be haunted by his past.
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Post by: Flame on June 06, 2013, 11:56:44 AM
HYPE GET

also

HNNNNG those Carmilla boobies...

Im pretty sure that was not a Combat Cross the Paladin was holding, just A cross. Which Dracul promptly grams and explodes.

I found it interesting how he goes "GOD IS WITH ME, MONSTER!" It's amusing, Since Gabe was pretty much his chosen one in LoS, and... Considering it's his job to take down Satan, he... pretty much still is God's chosen one.

EDIT: Dracula taking down Dracula? I meant SATAN. oops
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 06, 2013, 12:10:15 PM
Trevor appeared at 3:42. My guess is that the boy is Richter Belmont, a prisoner in the castle, while the woman from the brotherhood is his mother. Truly, she looks a lot like Carmilla's portrait, but she also lacks the brooch in the portrait as well. Also, it'll be safe to say that it's custom for all paladins from the order to wear standard issue outfits, as Gabriel, Zobek, and Cornell (from his portrait) have similar armors between them.

I agree as well it looks kind of like a kid version of his dxc version the hair and I think he was wearing blue

The trailer did say Gabe would be haunted by his past.



Some kind of reality mind bender enemy I just do not believe Al can do that

HYPE GET

also

HNNNNG those Carmilla boobies...

Im pretty sure that was not a Combat Cross the Paladin was holding, just A cross. Which Dracul promptly grams and explodes.

I found it interesting how he goes "GOD IS WITH ME, MONSTER!" It's amusing, Since Gabe was pretty much his chosen one in LoS, and... Considering it's his job to take down Dracula, he... pretty much still is God's chosen one.

Agree. But I thought it was a special CC we will have to see
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 06, 2013, 12:15:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGj46uUj-to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGj46uUj-to)

LOS2 about 17 minutes in. Finally some new gameplay!
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 06, 2013, 12:17:05 PM
LOL, I'm pretty sure the scene people THINK that shows the knight holding the "Combat Cross" is the one they talked about in the magazine where the knight says he's fighting for God and holds up a cross, and Dracula says that he's God's chosen one, grabs the cross, which results in the big explosion(which if it goes down like the magazine said, they cut to a scene of the Earth from space and you can see the explosion from there).

So far, I'm not going to lie, it looks the BEST out of the trilogy. The mood and look of the monsters is sooooo good. But, it's apparent Drac's going to be wall shimmying(they show some scenes), urgh. I do have to say, I like the electronic feel to the music this time around. It just feels... right, and it's not in a way that could've totally shit all over it(like if they would've added dubstep or some "cliche" hip hop beats, which you actually see in SOME horror movies... urgh). I don't care for Oscar's compositions, but this trailer's music is fine by me.

Funny, someone at NeoGAF said it looks more DMC than DmC did.  ;D And while I know a lot of people dislike the idea of an open world, I'm actually totally for it. I don't like to be limited in my gameplay, especially in 3D. 2D, you can let it slide, but the second I played my first 3D adventure game and ran into invisible walls galore, I KNEW there had to be a change in the formula. Power to the innovation and down with the linear corridors!!! ;)
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 12:19:10 PM
Man that piano piece in the beginning was good, like better than what LOS1 had outside of Belmont theme.

You could actually put that in the intro of a old Castlevania game and it'll fit.
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Post by: Bergaron on June 06, 2013, 12:20:35 PM
Something we missed. Zobek, we know it is going to be very present in the game (is the cornerstone of the story along with Gabriel), and has not shown anything, it is clear that the key Zobek destination is Gabriel. (you can see a toymaker design ... and I feel that is a minion of Zobek)
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 06, 2013, 12:27:08 PM
Someone slap me I just had a ghastly thought. IGN Los2 a 6-7/10 I think everyone understands where I'm coming from this. I feel this will be underrated  :(
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 06, 2013, 12:28:35 PM
Man that piano piece in the beginning was good, like better than what LOS1 had outside of Belmont theme.

You could actually put that in the intro of a old Castlevania game and it'll fit.
Funny you mention that. I thought the same thing. The trailer starts, the piano piece plays and I was like, "Wait.... uh.... this actually sounds like something you'd here in... the old series. That can't be right.... Where are they going with this?".
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 06, 2013, 12:30:23 PM
Someone slap me I just had a ghastly thought. IGN Los2 a 6-7/10 I think everyone understands where I'm coming from this. I feel this will be underrated  :(
Well, the game hasn't come out. It could be good or a piece of crap. When it IS released, perhaps ratings will be given accordingly.
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 06, 2013, 12:34:39 PM
Well, the game hasn't come out. It could be good or a piece of crap. When it IS released, perhaps ratings will be given accordingly.

There is a reason why I put "ign". They have butchered the series since the beginning so I'm just calling it now sadly.   
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 06, 2013, 12:39:56 PM
There is a reason why I put "ign". They have butchered the series since the beginning so I'm just calling it now sadly.
Well, y'know the saying, "Can't spell 'ignorant' without 'IGN'!".  ;D
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 06, 2013, 01:53:56 PM
As someone who felt burned by LOS and Mirror of Fate I can not help but feel excited about this.

Sure there are still issues I have with it such as the return of Titan battles, the music, and the apparent return of wall shimmying.

But other things such as the open world setting, dark gothic castle and urban streets, great looking sword combat, and the ability to play as Dracula himself sound pretty promising.

Also Alucard as I expected looks much better here did he did in Mirror of Fate. ;D

Really hoping he gets a DLC because it would be such a waste if not.

Would be a real letdown in my opinion.

Trying not to get my hopes up to much, but so  far it has become a definite 5 day rental for me. :)

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Post by: crisis on June 06, 2013, 02:35:46 PM
One thing's for certain; Dracula must use, and be defeated by, the power of love, for his agony to finally end, only then, will he be reunited with Marie, and eat the Bread of Life with Jesus
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Post by: A-Yty on June 06, 2013, 02:39:47 PM
I hope Morgan Freeman will do the motion capture and borrow his likeness to God in this game.
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Post by: Dominus on June 06, 2013, 02:47:53 PM
I still want my LoS3 with the Founders as PCs ;D
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 03:23:44 PM
It's weird, I'm neither excited or disappointed about this game. I just feel ready to see it all end. Not trying to sound entitled here, I'm just, I dunno pretty ho-hum about the whole thing.

Plus, I don't own a gaming PC, or 360 and PS3. I have no way of playing this game. That could also be a reason lol
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Post by: crisis on June 06, 2013, 03:27:55 PM
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Plus, I don't own a gaming PC, or 360 and PS3.

so how do you play games? o .o
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 03:32:01 PM
It's weird, I'm neither excited or disappointed about this game. I just feel ready to see it all end. Not trying to sound entitled here, I'm just, I dunno pretty ho-hum about the whole thing.

Plus, I don't own a gaming PC, or 360 and PS3. I have no way of playing this game. That could also be a reason lol

HOW HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS!!??  :o

Do you realize what you've missed out on!? You have to change that ASAP, PS3's and 360's are gonna be dirt cheap in a few months. Now's as good time as any to save up some money to get either one with the next gen systems coming out and all.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on June 06, 2013, 03:38:48 PM
Don´t get me wrong, I really like the trailer and new gameplay. And the ambience and the music was better than the previous game (well, for just the trailer, it was really good). But, when I see some of the enemies, and the wall/chain climbing, I think in Draksiders 2 (great game, by the way). So, I will going to play with Dracula as the protagonist? Ok, for LoS is ok. I hope that a Belmont is present. Also, the kid reminds me of Malus, from CV64. In less words, I see a better work, in Castlevania terms, in this game. I know is only a trailer, but lets wait for more gameplay, and of course the demo :P.

P.D. I really enjoy the "surprise" from Dave Cox :). But the most sorpresive moment in that video, was to see the San Diego LDS (mormon) Temple (at 26:50):o. I can´t believe to see it in a Castlevania video! :).
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 03:44:32 PM
so how do you play games? o .o
I used to own a 360 but got rid of it like a year after playing LoS. I've been playing games on Steam and my 3DS, and occasionally my Wii.
Now's as good time as any to save up some money to get either one with the next gen systems coming out and all.
If I can, I'll look into getting a PS3. Too many games on that I like and would love to own.
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Post by: Kaori on June 06, 2013, 03:48:36 PM
I have to admit, that new trailer did look pretty awesome. However, all of the trailers for the LoS series have looked awesome. Mercurystream does an excellent job with their environments, and they do a wonderful job with their trailers and getting me hyped. Even though I may not be a fan of LoS or MoF, I do give them credit for making really cool environments and atmospheres.

However, despite all the cool trailers and the really amazing environments in the LoS series, I was ultimately let down by both LoS and MoF. I just can't bring myself to buy LoS2 in fear that I will also be let down by it too. This time I'm waiting to see what everyone thinks about it here before I go out and buy it. If LoS2 really turns out to be a wonderful game, and if it does turn out to be a lot better than the previous two games, then I might give it a chance.
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 06, 2013, 03:56:16 PM
HOW HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS!!??  :o

Do you realize what you've missed out on!? You have to change that ASAP, PS3's and 360's are gonna be dirt cheap in a few months. Now's as good time as any to save up some money to get either one with the next gen systems coming out and all.
Dirt cheap? I highly doubt it. I mean Sony's still rockin prices for their ps2 merchandise like it just came out yesterday..
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 06, 2013, 03:57:39 PM
Don´t get me wrong, I really like the trailer and new gameplay. And the ambience and the music was better than the previous game (well, for just the trailer, it was really good). But, when I see some of the enemies, and the wall/chain climbing, I think in Draksiders 2 (great game, by the way). So, I will going to play with Dracula as the protagonist? Ok, for LoS is ok. I hope that a Belmont is present. Also, the kid reminds me of Malus, from CV64. In less words, I see a better work, in Castlevania terms, in this game. I know is only a trailer, but lets wait for more gameplay, and of course the demo :P.

P.D. I really enjoy the "surprise" from Dave Cox :). But the most sorpresive moment in that video, was to see the San Diego LDS (mormon) Temple (at 26:50):o. I can´t believe to see it in a Castlevania video! :).
Was that kid Richter in the vid?
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Post by: Dremn on June 06, 2013, 04:25:47 PM
Rewatching the trailer, I notice there are some torches that are color coordinated, mostly blue. Maybe it's just an aesthetic thing but I thought it was interesting. I guess they hold sub weapons and maybe hearts if Drac still uses though.
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Post by: Flame on June 06, 2013, 05:26:12 PM
imagine- Dracula using hearts, but in a twist, instead of just absorbing them as a gameplay gimmick, he tears into them and EATS them!
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Post by: Maedhros on June 06, 2013, 06:00:10 PM
imagine- Dracula using hearts, but in a twist, instead of just absorbing them as a gameplay gimmick, he tears into them and EATS them!
Everytime he gets a heart, a cutscene with him eating the heart plays.
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Post by: uzo on June 06, 2013, 06:08:17 PM
Everytime he gets a heart, a cutscene with him eating the heart plays.

Also a QTE to eat the heart. Mash X.
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Post by: Munchy on June 06, 2013, 06:13:55 PM
Also a QTE to eat the heart. Mash X.

Don't forget the Konami sound effect when he bites into it.

Didn't we have this discussion before?
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Post by: uzo on June 06, 2013, 06:15:41 PM
Don't forget the Konami sound effect when he bites into it.

That would make it worth it.
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Post by: Munchy on June 06, 2013, 06:20:44 PM
Since this game is open-world (whatever that means????), I'd highly appreciate a knight's Magic Scroll that contains the message "I'M ESKIMO. THERE'S NOTHING HERE."

Or a secret boss fight with an LoS-ized Konami Man.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 06, 2013, 06:52:30 PM
I LOVED seeing my waifu, Human Carmilla in :3

Who is the one messing with Gabriel's mind?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 06, 2013, 07:01:05 PM
Since this game is open-world (whatever that means????), I'd highly appreciate a knight's Magic Scroll that contains the message "I'M ESKIMO. THERE'S NOTHING HERE."

Or a secret boss fight with an LoS-ized Konami Man.
Who knows? They are seemingly adding a bit of humor into this game. Would be awesome!

Anybody else get the hints that they might work in some kind of Lovecraftian-like thing into this game. Those girls with the tentacles whipping out of them seems very Lovecraftian. Maybe they are connected to that scientist she-demon thing that stops Dracula's blade, teleports and tosses him through the wall.
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Post by: Flame on June 06, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
Also a QTE to eat the heart. Mash X.
If you get the QTE wrong he chokes.

*MUNCHMUMCHMUNCH*

*press A instead of X*

*MUNCHCOUGHCOUGHCOUGHGAAAGHCOUGH*
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Post by: Inccubus on June 06, 2013, 07:52:53 PM
Overall my reaction was smeh. However, I won't pass final judgement from just watching a trailer.

Me too. Over all it gave me a Devil May Cry feeling more than anything else. Looks pretty, but that is the least important thing in a game to me.
The game looks a lot more fun. And did you guys notice there were no QTEs in sight?

That is definitely a woman that looks like Carmilla. She's even wearing the shoulder pads of holy flight or whatever. Plus didn't her hand turn into claws at the end of her scene? Maybe it's a ghost, an illusion, or just another powerful vampire taking on her form to mess with Gabula?

EDIT: The kid might be a Belmont? Looked like a boy to me anyway. Young Richter? I agree the kid more resembles a young Richter... maybe?

That's not Marie! It's Maria, her reincarnation who was previously reincarnated in Silent Hill as Mary. :P

I still think I would have liked the series a smidge btter if they had named it "Dracula: Lords of Shadow".
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 06, 2013, 07:57:19 PM
Me too. Over all it gave me a Devil May Cry feeling more than anything else. Looks pretty, but that is the least important thing in a game to me.
The game looks a lot more fun. And did you guys notice there were no QTEs in sight?

The kid might be a Belmont? Looked like a boy to me anyway. Young Richter?

That's not Marie! It's Maria, her reincarnation who was previously reincarnated in Silent Hill as Mary. :P

I still think I would have liked the series a smidge btter if they had named it "Dracula: Lords of Shadow".
Well, they should've ditched the "Lords of Shadow" subtitle after the first game. The Lords were characters tied to the first game, and you kill all of them. They make no appearance in MoF, and considering Gabriel becomes Dracula, maybe LoS2 should've been called the non-plural "Lord of Shadow".
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Post by: Inccubus on June 06, 2013, 08:35:30 PM
Castlevania 2: Prince of Darkness!!! I'll buy that!

One thing I would like to see in this game is no shimmying, no ledge gripping, hell not much platforming. When I think of playing as dracula the first thing that comes to ind is his ability to gecko walk on walls and ceilings.

Fun Fact: Dracula in the original novel had the wall crawling ability almost 100 years before Spider-Man had it.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 06, 2013, 09:05:05 PM
Castlevania 2: Prince of Darkness!!! I'll buy that!

One thing I would like to see in this game is no shimmying, no ledge gripping, hell not much platforming.

Don't watch the behind the scenes video then, you'll be livid.
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Post by: Munchy on June 06, 2013, 09:25:57 PM
Castlevania 2: Prince of Darkness!!! I'll buy that!

One thing I would like to see in this game is no shimmying, no ledge gripping, hell not much platforming. When I think of playing as dracula the first thing that comes to ind is his ability to gecko walk on walls and ceilings.

Fun Fact: Dracula in the original novel had the wall crawling ability almost 100 years before Spider-Man had it.

Well, in the tiny smidgens of gameplay shown, he can be seen hanging from things in midair, more like Contra than anything else.

I'd just like the wall shimmying to be faster and less pace breaking. I've kinda accepted it as the LoSverse version of the old games' really slow stair or rope climbing, but it's really jarring how fast Gabe runs normally only to slow terrifically when he grabs ledges.

I kinda hope they nix fall damage too. He's Dracula. Why should he worry about busting his legs when he's seen in the epilogue making a goddamn crater in the ground and getting up as if nothing happened?
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Post by: Inccubus on June 06, 2013, 10:10:47 PM
lol. The scream at the end before he explodes in a dusty flash was actually because of a sprained ankle. ;)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 06, 2013, 11:53:35 PM
lol. The scream at the end before he explodes in a dusty flash was actually because of a sprained ankle. ;)

Because you forgot to input a certain QTE.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 07, 2013, 12:52:48 AM
Cox's twitter:

@CastlevaniaLOS @DavidJRohr I think it's pretty obvious. Marie is present, Alucard as a boy as well. Just don't know the Brotherhood lady.
@1stclassnoble @DavidJRohr - She was in the first game.....

So, Carmilla confirmed.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 07, 2013, 01:56:00 AM
My thoughts, it's looking darker and that's something that i love, music doesn't impress me, almost non existent gameplay, it's like you are watching a trailer from Metal Gear, with cut scenes, so no much information to pass my judge on the game, but i noticed something new, Carmilla went an undergo surgery, boosting her boobs!! They are lethal weapons........har har har!!!!!!
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Post by: Bergaron on June 07, 2013, 02:43:30 AM
Dark the gameplay you can see from the Konami conference, which showed images of fighting.

In addition, the demo will be at E3 alpha, those who are lucky may try it in person, it shows the entire first chapter, until at the end of it with Alucard with a boss who is seen in the trailer.

By the way for history, MoF reveals a lot, this is taken from a post in NeoGaf:

- At a time, the Toy Maker was the brightest pupil of Rinaldo Gandolfi. However, at some point in time, a curse was placed on him by Walter Bernhard, a member of the Bernhard family.
The exact effects of the curse are unknown, but from then on, the Toy Maker used his knowledge and skills to craft weapons of death and destruction, some being the Dark Pain, the attachement for the Improved Dark Pain, the Stopwatch, and the Macabre Puppet, and Gargoyles.

- Most of the Toy Maker's backstory or references to his technology is told through scattered Brotherhood scrolls. Some of it appears in the description for Dark Pain and Improved Dark Pain weapons, and description for the Stop Watch, and some of the other sub weapons in the game. He also has his own Bestiary listing, though he is not actually ever fought.

- There is one reference to Frankenstein's experiments in one of the Toy Maker's rooms in a Brotherhood scroll. This may suggest that the Toy Maker's identity may be that of Frankenstein, or that he has continued Frankenstein's research. But it's not clear.

- Much of the technology in his various labs are very similar to those used by Frankenstein in his own sections of the castle as seen in Lords of Shadow. Including electrical pylons and heavy use of machinery. Although the Toy Maker does seem to take some of his own technology into a more darkly whimsical direction. The Toy Maker also seems to rely more on a mix of magical alchemy and science, where as friedrich more on science alone.

- The Stopwatch is similar to the time machine technology Frankenstein was working on, based on the research of Emmet Marron.

- The Toy Maker in Mirror of Fate worked on some similar technology as Frankenstein, including experiments into time. It is unclear if the Toy Maker is using the research of Frankenstein or may in fact be the same mad doctor. Both the Toy Maker and Frankenstein were both employed by the Bernhard family, and both were "cursed" by the family.

The key is travel time to seek redemption. I do not like the idea that the game can end well, with Gabriel coming together with Maria, I hope at least the option of a tragic end.

My vote is that we face the genuine evil that is behind the back of Satan, brotherhood of light. We travel back in time to prevent the appearance of the Lord of Shadow Carmilla, Cornell ... try to avoid our own destiny .. Gabriel could be that guy ...???
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 07, 2013, 06:46:52 AM
You know that might be the reason why the game is called Lords of Shadow again, you have to kill them but in human/pure form. I like it.
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Post by: Heuss on June 07, 2013, 07:31:02 AM
My vote is that we face the genuine evil that is behind the back of Satan, brotherhood of light. We travel back in time to prevent the appearance of the Lord of Shadow Carmilla, Cornell ... try to avoid our own destiny .. Gabriel could be that guy ...???

The end of Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 could be the destruction of that timeline, where Gabriel never became Dracula.

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Post by: Ahasverus on June 07, 2013, 08:20:11 AM
The end of Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 could be the destruction of that timeline, where Gabriel never became Dracula.
And then Mathias does

"history abhors a paradox"

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Post by: A-Yty on June 07, 2013, 08:30:58 AM
My vote is that we face the genuine evil that is behind the back of Satan

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.nintendolife.com%2Fnews%2F2012%2F07%2Finterview_konamis_dave_cox_talks_castlevania_mirror_of_fate%2Fattachment%2F1%2Flarge.jpg&hash=9f4691c68024473934b502a962242004)
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Post by: Gecko on June 07, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
The end of Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 could be the destruction of that timeline, where Gabriel never became Dracula.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.memegenerator.net%2Finstances%2F400x%2F29266691.jpg&hash=30c2cd85cafd2dc3d3c88be05fee3fa8)
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 07, 2013, 06:26:21 PM
Zobek's fate...
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Post by: Bergaron on June 08, 2013, 05:07:08 AM
Naaaaaaaa, I like Zobek, has clear ideas, Gabriel is very indecisive, when God offers to go with the angels decide to stay to fight with Satan and now complains. I like Zobek more than Gabriel, Gabriel is very whiny.
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Post by: beingthehero on June 08, 2013, 05:17:39 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.nintendolife.com%2Fnews%2F2012%2F07%2Finterview_konamis_dave_cox_talks_castlevania_mirror_of_fate%2Fattachment%2F1%2Flarge.jpg&hash=9f4691c68024473934b502a962242004)

Why are his eyebrows so disturbingly yellow
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Post by: Sindra on June 08, 2013, 07:14:32 AM
I like Zobek more than Gabriel, Gabriel is very whiny.


This comment is curious to me, considering Gabriel is pretty much "The Stoic" for the majority of Lords of Shadow; not saying much and Zobek does a lot of the talking *for* Gabriel. When he does show emotion, it's usually small bits of sorrow over the deaths of people he'd cared about and large bits of GABE SMASH!!! And Gabeula I didn't see as any more whiny than your typical Castlevania Dracula incarnation. I'm interested to know where you think he's being whiny. (note: I'm not arguing that Zobek is a cool character, in a manipulative bastard-sort of way.)

In regards to this trailer and new info:

Meh. Looks nice. So did LoS1 though. I'll reserve judgment for after I've played at least a demo.

Also...stopwatch.

Time Travel.

Gabriel is now a Time Lord.

Gabe is the new Doctor Who.

Get that man a TARDIS.
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Post by: Dominus on June 08, 2013, 07:49:12 AM
Well, the castle kinda has one.

I still think that boy looks like Laura
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 08, 2013, 08:12:00 AM
Young boy = young Gabriel?
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 08, 2013, 08:14:09 AM
Young boy = young Gabriel?
I think young Trevor.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 08, 2013, 08:16:36 AM
I think young Trevor.
My bet too, as Gabe's "haunted by his past", but everything is possible.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 08, 2013, 08:46:30 AM
That whistle blower on /v/ said that the boy is Trevor at age 10, beyond that he said that there will be no story details for a while and all media will focus on gameplay for now.

Another thing he mentioned is that when you get a game over in this game, Dracula doesn't "die" during gameplay. Since he's been rejected by heaven and hell, his spirit respawns to a certain point and his body reconstructs itself.

Basically an excuse to use the checkpoint system again, only faster.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 08, 2013, 09:39:58 AM

Another thing he mentioned is that when you get a game over in this game, Dracula doesn't "die" during gameplay. Since he's been rejected by heaven and hell, his spirit respawns to a certain point and his body reconstructs itself.

Basically an excuse to use the checkpoint system again, only faster.
HA! I love it
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Post by: Maedhros on June 08, 2013, 10:06:13 AM
HA! I love it
Of course you love it... :P

Maybe the game won't have game over screens because of that?
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Post by: VladCT on June 08, 2013, 10:16:39 AM
Maybe the game won't have game over screens because of that?
If that really happens, then I'll call this game the ultimate pussification of the Castlevania franchise.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 08, 2013, 10:26:21 AM
Of course you love it... :P

Maybe the game won't have game over screens because of that?

The Vita-Chambers in BioShock weren't that adorable, so I don't see what's great about this. Other than it's a plot device to explain respawning.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 08, 2013, 10:37:16 AM
At least with checkpoints, you start from certain location or beginning of the boss fight in most hack and slash. This is like Prince of Persia 4, where that one chick saves you from traps instead of a game over screen. It sounds nice in theory, but basically you don't face the pain of losing and restart the level. Instead, it's just one huge endurance round... The whole game becomes that. Basically Gabriel will be slain 17 times with one boss, but he'll revive... He is unstoppable.
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Post by: Dremn on June 08, 2013, 11:46:23 AM
Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 ~ Official Soundtrack: The Titan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2djIpC-ls8#ws)

Trailer theme.
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Post by: Flame on June 08, 2013, 03:16:49 PM

Gabriel is pretty much "The Stoic" for the majority of Lords of Shadow
He's not "Stoic", he's "brooding".

Despite popular belief, Stoic does not mean "a serious character that does not show emotion".

And Gabe shows plenty. He's all moody and sad and troubled most of the game. Sometimes pissed off.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 ~ Official Soundtrack: The Titan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2djIpC-ls8#ws)

Trailer theme.
My ears. They are rock hard. I really like this. I like the strings underlying it. it seems much more cohesive and "hearty" than the more trumpet based LoS1 themes.

I really want to hear that piano piece though.
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Post by: flyingchai on June 08, 2013, 03:25:38 PM
According to the text of the script visible on the developer's screen in the Behind the Scenes footage before the trailer in Konami's Pre-e3 Show, those three girls who were transforming into monsters are named Euryale, Sthenno....and Medusa.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 08, 2013, 06:09:45 PM
Where are the wallpapers guys!? I need to change mine (as I did for LoS).
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Post by: Kingshango on June 08, 2013, 06:36:44 PM
According to the text of the script visible on the developer's screen in the Behind the Scenes footage before the trailer in Konami's Pre-e3 Show, those three girls who were transforming into monsters are named Euryale, Sthenno....and Medusa.

As I thought, the snake creature was Medusa, whoever caught that has a good eye.
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Post by: flyingchai on June 08, 2013, 06:59:36 PM
Snake creature? If you're referring to the snake woman statue who says "My Lord" then I could buy that. If you're referring to the one breathing fire at the end, I thought it was the fate creature from The Mirror of Fate. His visage is identical.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 08, 2013, 07:07:35 PM
The one at the end breathing fire. The moving snakes on it's head quickly reminded me of Medusa.

I dunno, it could be a different monster entirely.

Plus, I think that mirror of fate is long broken unless the castle does reconstruct itself like it was said in LOS1.
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Post by: flyingchai on June 08, 2013, 07:33:07 PM
I just rewatched it. You're right, I didn't notice the moving snakes on that creature's head.
Gee!  ;D
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Post by: Inccubus on June 08, 2013, 08:01:04 PM
Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 ~ Official Soundtrack: The Titan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2djIpC-ls8#ws)

Trailer theme.

Sounds like the same garbage from the previous two games to me. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty good quality compared to other modern, garbage, Hollywood-ized, shit soundtracks. But it's a far cry cry from something I'd actually want to listen to, or even remember for that matter.
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Post by: jmodlin210 on June 08, 2013, 08:23:44 PM
Is Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 coming out for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, PC later this year in Winter 2013?
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Post by: TheAcer on June 08, 2013, 09:21:37 PM
They only use the term "This Winter" to describe the release date which can also refer to the first few months of 2014. However, It just wouldn't make too much sense to release it next year as their might be alot more focus on the new console generation by then, and this game is only available on current gen consoles which are coming to the end of their lifecycles.

If I were to guess though, i would say the game might come out this October. Sure, there are big contenders to watch out for like AC4 and Arkham Origins but the fact that it's the month of Halloween, could actually help the sales for the launch period by a quite a bit.
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Post by: jmodlin210 on June 08, 2013, 09:46:26 PM
Saw that Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 will be released later this year in 2013 for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, PC.
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Post by: RichterB on June 08, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
LoS2 trailer is impressive, to be sure. In some ways, I can see this as the big-budget, more Westernized version of that Alucard 3D game that never saw the light of day. It gives me a sort of gritty 3D SotN vibe in one sense. However, in the other, it gives me a Darksiders and/or Devil May Cry feel. I just don't feel this as a full-blown Castlevania game--more like a spin-off. But I can see how it would excite. I'm just not sure if this is my cup of tea. I'm really surprised that the shimmying continues. Why has that become a staple in modern games (with similar animation frames)? There can be less "rail-like" shimmying, as seen in older 3D games prior to Uncharted and the like. On the other hand, the 3D camera looks great--exactly what I wanted the first time around. I think that will help level design, but the lack of genuine platforming in the trailer concerns me.
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Post by: Flame on June 08, 2013, 11:23:19 PM
Well the trailer really shows very little that isn't standing around or other characters.

That said, since it's an Alternate Universe, and Dracula, Teeeechnically it can be considered a "Spin Off"
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Post by: Nagumo on June 09, 2013, 01:27:41 AM
According to the text of the script visible on the developer's screen in the Behind the Scenes footage before the trailer in Konami's Pre-e3 Show, those three girls who were transforming into monsters are named Euryale, Sthenno....and Medusa.

I always thought they should have introduced Medusa's sisters at some point, so that's really neat. Too bad Medusa doesn't really look like Medusa, though.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 09, 2013, 01:30:43 AM
Too bad Medusa doesn't really look like Medusa, though.

They can always use the term "artistic freedom".
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Post by: Pfil on June 09, 2013, 02:57:12 AM
I thought the same. It didn't look very much like Medusa.
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Post by: Dominus on June 09, 2013, 06:42:04 AM
I always thought they should have introduced Medusa's sisters at some point, so that's really neat. Too bad Medusa doesn't really look like Medusa, though.

I thought the same. It didn't look very much like Medusa.

On the other hand, is not like Medusa in Castlevania has ever looked she was supposed to

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IMO, It's closer to the myth so I like it.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 09, 2013, 08:34:59 AM
I think peoples confusion comes from that it looks more like a leviathan creature than the average Medusa we're use too. Personally I thought it looks more like a giant gorgon than Medusa herself.

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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 09, 2013, 08:44:49 AM
On the other hand, is not like Medusa in Castlevania has ever looked she was supposed to

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theoi.com%2Fimage%2FP23.1BMedousa.jpg&hash=4dc7600c15b592467319770e71840831)

IMO, It's closer to the myth so I like it.
Modern interpretation of Medusa(Castlevania, Clashe of the Titans, Kid Icarus, Percy Jackson...) seems to be inspired by Bernini's Medusa(believed to be sculpted sometime in the 1600s, Bernini, as well as other artists basing their depiction on the Roman depiction of Medusa, which looked less monster and more human):

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sanfranciscosentinel.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2Fmedusa.jpg&hash=a83d62aebbd24f44e0d4be92d03ee23e)

Interestingly enough, given it's bust look and it being believed to be created in the 17th century, doesn't it bare an odd resemblence to the Medusa boss in the first CV game(which starts off as a stone bust that comes to life; the first CV being set in the late 17th century)?
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Post by: Bergaron on June 09, 2013, 08:52:39 AM
GOD BLESS PC, who needs consoles? resolution higher than 1080 and 60 fps

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Post by: Nagumo on June 09, 2013, 08:58:22 AM
Well, there also the fact that the creature who supposedly is Medusa isn't humanoid. From what I know, Gorgons have always resembled humans in myth. It's also why they are such scary creatures.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 09, 2013, 09:11:22 AM
Medusa transformed perhaps? The script from the behind the scenes footage insist's that the three sisters were in humanoid forms before transforming into monsters.
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Post by: Flame on June 09, 2013, 10:49:34 AM
Modern interpretation of Medusa(Castlevania, Clashe of the Titans, Kid Icarus, Percy Jackson...) seems to be inspired by Bernini's Medusa(believed to be sculpted sometime in the 1600s, Bernini, as well as other artists basing their depiction on the Roman depiction of Medusa, which looked less monster and more human):

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sanfranciscosentinel.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2Fmedusa.jpg&hash=a83d62aebbd24f44e0d4be92d03ee23e)

Interestingly enough, given it's bust look and it being believed to be created in the 17th century, doesn't it bare an odd resemblence to the Medusa boss in the first CV game(which starts off as a stone bust that comes to life; the first CV being set in the late 17th century)?
LoI did the bust thing too
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 09, 2013, 11:04:10 AM
LoI did the bust thing too
LoI is also the only other time in the CV series that you fight Medusa as a giant head rather than the full "snake woman" that you fight her in CV3, RoB, Chronicles, Bloodlines, SCV4, SotN, Haunted Castle, Legends, Legacy of Darkness and Portrait of Ruin. Most definitely a nod to CV1.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 09, 2013, 11:15:10 AM
I think the reason Medusa is a head in CV1 is because the Japanese manual mentions Christopher beheaded her, which is also a reference to the myth.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 09, 2013, 11:37:07 AM
Anyone else saw that Gabriel has the dark gauntlet on his right hand while fighting the fire-breathing beast? (When he launches the big "tornado" attck).

EDIT: Actually, I think it is a part of his sleeve, so nvm.
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Post by: crisis on June 09, 2013, 11:43:37 AM
It's been such a long time since I played LoI, I remember being visually impressed by the amount of detail they gave Medusa in that game


on a side note, my rep points dropped significantly over the past 24 hours! This morning it was 399, now it's 372! No worries, cuz I can just ask Jorge who's the butthurt culprit that has a grudge against me & downvoting posts I made 10 pages ago since he can see who's doing it due to his Administrative powers  ;) So I advise you stop, before Jorge reveals your identity to me.
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Post by: beingthehero on June 09, 2013, 12:09:15 PM
Yeah I noticed that too so I bumped you back to 400.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 09, 2013, 12:44:18 PM
It's been such a long time since I played LoI, I remember being visually impressed by the amount of detail they gave Medusa in that game


on a side note, my rep points dropped significantly over the past 24 hours! This morning it was 399, now it's 372! No worries, cuz I can just ask Jorge who's the butthurt culprit that has a grudge against me & downvoting posts I made 10 pages ago since he can see who's doing it due to his Administrative powers  ;) So I advise you stop, before Jorge reveals your identity to me.
Not that I care about reps, but it kinda annoys me when people dish out dislikes for the purpose of being childish. Save that stuff for petty middle school popularity contests and YouTube(though it annoys me even there). That being said, you're +401 now.  ;)

And on topic, I also thought LoI's medusa looked cool. Probably one of the best looking bosses in both LoI and CoD.

Anyone else saw that Gabriel has the dark gauntlet on his right hand while fighting the fire-breathing beast? (When he launches the big "tornado" attck).

EDIT: Actually, I think it is a part of his sleeve, so nvm.
I was kinda confused when I saw that. It first looks like an giant energy tornado, but also kinda made of flesh.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 09, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
on a side note, my rep points dropped significantly over the past 24 hours! This morning it was 399, now it's 372! No worries, cuz I can just ask Jorge who's the butthurt culprit that has a grudge against me & downvoting posts I made 10 pages ago since he can see who's doing it due to his Administrative powers  ;) So I advise you stop, before Jorge reveals your identity to me.
You actually care about the rep number?  :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on June 09, 2013, 01:15:08 PM
To be honest, I wanted Gabriel to have Red Glowing Eyes throughout the game. But in the trailer, he still looks pretty human except for his pasty skin.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Successor The Cruel on June 09, 2013, 03:13:54 PM
Saw the trailer... I'm not really interested.

And before it seems like I'm a constant cynic, I'm not saying that it's bad in and of itself. Actually, it's a big fancy presentation, but it doesn't really speak to my personal tastes and I'm not invested in the Lords of Shadow story AT ALL. So it seems like just another game to me. It definitely looks like a step in the right direction compared to Lords of Shadow 1, though. Even so, I won't be picking this up.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 09, 2013, 03:56:25 PM
To be honest, I wanted Gabriel to have Red Glowing Eyes throughout the game. But in the trailer, he still looks pretty human except for his pasty skin.

I reckon his eyes only glow red once he in combat.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 09, 2013, 04:14:58 PM
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You actually care about the rep number?  :-\
well yeah because I consider you all my e-friends, i've nominated everybody for their awards & never downvote posts
but apparently someone or a few people have a grudge against me & that irks me i guess. I haven't been living up to my Trollmeister award as much anymore, but perhaps that may change! that's where memes like this come in

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.encognitive.com%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2Fhate--if%2520someone%2520hates%2520you%2520for%2520no%2520reason.jpg&hash=82b920f144165964057ece020328295f)


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Saw the trailer... I'm not really interested.
hah, I'm not surprised. But storyline aside, what if it turns out to not just be a good game, but a GREAT Castlevania game? Will your resentment for Cox/MS' "bastardization" of the franchise prevent you from even giving it a chance when it's released? If the game is fun and indeed takes some inspiration from DMC (which, I recall, a lot of people were saying that's how a 3D Castlevania should look/play like, DMC1 at least), then I'll no doubt enjoy it. I dunno if you like DMC, but even people were compairing LoI with it. With a little more polish & tweaking to the level design it might've even bested DMC1 but I'm going off on a tangent now

Kinda reminds me of those people that watch a 10 second trailer for a superhero movie or something, and automatically right it off as "this movie's gonna suck, not gonna waste my time." All I'm trying to say is, give things a chance before denying them immediately. At least wait until a gameplay video is shown to have a more concrete decision, rather than "the trailer is meh, therefore i'm skipping this game." However I realize there are those that are just too stubborn & already had their minds made up about the LoS-verse months before the game was released (and i also realize that Cox can be off-putting, contradictory and a jerk, which no doubt burned many fans with his decisions & opinions of prior Castlevania games, which in turn had a part in people rejecting the LoS-verse). I don't know if you fall in that category, but it seems you like to "dabble" in it here & there, correct me if I'm wrong.

But as always, to each their own. Just trying to offer some insight.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Successor The Cruel on June 09, 2013, 04:45:08 PM
I think I'm being rather fair. I gave the trailer a chance. 6 or so minutes worth of chance. I just wasn't interested in playing or buying the game that was featured. What is a trailer for if not to try to interest people in the game/movie/whatever that is being shown? It just failed to interest me. I'm not saying it's bad, or something is wrong with it, per se (granted, I'm not saying it's good, either) I'm just not interested in it. In my opinion, I would be less fair if I choose to buy that game only because it calls itself "Castlevania".

As for the other part, about what if it winds up being a good Castlevania game... Well, chances are I would probably hear about it being a good Castlevania game from others and if other things I see about it myself pique my interest, I might try it out. I admit that I'm not expecting that to happen. As it stands now, based on the trailer, and also based on my knowledge of Lords of Shadow and Mercury Steam, I have no interest in playing the game and I don't plan to buy it. I don't think that I'm really being closed minded in that. I'm just using the data available to me to form some kind of opinion and course of action (or inaction) that I plan on taking.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 09, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
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what if it turns out to not just be a good game, but a GREAT Castlevania game?
Anti-LoS fans heads would explode.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on June 09, 2013, 05:59:49 PM
I'll be playing the game, it has Castlevania name slapped on it, so I'll be playing, of course.

These assets of the castle have some insane amount of detail. Holy shit.

Someone ask for this image here:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3217/castlevanialos22.png (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3217/castlevanialos22.png)

On higher res for Cox on twitter, please.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dominus on June 09, 2013, 06:47:32 PM
I think peoples confusion comes from that it looks more like a leviathan creature than the average Medusa we're use too. Personally I thought it looks more like a giant gorgon than Medusa herself.

She reminds me of this

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100728002005%2Ftypemoon%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fc8%2FGorgon.jpg&hash=d6d8f35d73e5676fe5f9f94b64ec2441)

Modern interpretation of Medusa(Castlevania, Clashe of the Titans, Kid Icarus, Percy Jackson...) seems to be inspired by Bernini's Medusa(believed to be sculpted sometime in the 1600s, Bernini, as well as other artists basing their depiction on the Roman depiction of Medusa, which looked less monster and more human):

[img]http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/medusa.jpg[img]

I know, I know. But what I'm saying that the old Medusa was more monstrous so it's a valid interpretation. Personally I love it because I'm kinda tired of the Harryhausen Medusa.

Well, there also the fact that the creature who supposedly is Medusa isn't humanoid. From what I know, Gorgons have always resembled humans in myth. It's also why they are such scary creatures.

Well, the video shows 3 hag-like women in fire and probable turning themselves into the gorgons.

Maybe each one will take a different form. Someone has to inspire the columns of LoS1 ending :p
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 09, 2013, 11:50:40 PM
Cox Twitter:

@CastlevaniaLOS How long will the E3 Demo be ??!! I JUST CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE !
@Malik_Zubailah - 15 to 20 minutes
@CastlevaniaLOS @Malik_Zubailah So Longer then the LOS demo! Awesome! cant wait to see the game play#Excited
@TheOneHawke @Malik_Zubailah - Yes!

Ok... if anyone is going to the E3, please share your impressions to us who can't.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on June 09, 2013, 11:56:03 PM
This game will be very different then LoS 1, it honestly is a totally different game in all aspects far as the gameplay itself goes. I do not like Gabriel personally or how he is Dracula, but I do like the fact that you are playing as Dracula.

That is the only thing that draws my attention to the game at all, that and the fact it is a different game. The level design is much different, you can control the camera completely among the world/levels being like SoTN. If by endgame Gabriel/Dracula is not able to teleport like he is able to in Mirror of fate and in the LoS 2 trailer ill be a little disappointed. I will also be disappointed if he does not get his classic hellfire ability, I want the ability to fire off 3 projectiles if not fireballs themselves.

Again though, I do not like their version of Dracula at all, Dracula does not use a whip, they mixed a Belmont with the Dracula that we all know and threw them in a blender. I am fine with change, you know, give Dracula a sword why not, give him fire claws, ok that is the type of game it is, you gotta have some melee in their. Ok I get it, but a blood whip? Really?

Again, I can live with it only because you are playing as Dracula himself and the other aspects of the game are great to me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 10, 2013, 12:17:32 AM
I just want a spear is that too hard to ask for?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on June 10, 2013, 12:24:37 AM
I just want a spear is that too hard to ask for?

It's Vlad the lasher, not Vlad the impaler

 ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 10, 2013, 01:02:37 AM
So..fall damage - yes or no? If yes, incredibly lame.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 10, 2013, 01:08:03 AM
I think the reason Medusa is a head in CV1 is because the Japanese manual mentions Christopher beheaded her, which is also a reference to the myth.

Even after all these years, I love how the Japanese story contains these kinds of gold nuggets of information.

And it really raises the question: how much "damage" have the mangled localisations done to CV overall? These details may seem little, but there are so many other things in lots of other Vanias that were either left out of the versions outside Japan that they pile up.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 10, 2013, 02:33:15 AM
I just want a spear is that too hard to ask for?

+1000000

"Give me the spear baby"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg842%2F3382%2Fbramstokersdracula10.th.jpg&hash=da815ca86080719384d085b44d0b2e87) (http://imageshack.us/a/img842/3382/bramstokersdracula10.jpg)

"Where is my fucking spear?, Curse you MS"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg546%2F195%2Fmqdefaultx.th.jpg&hash=ecf169aa59a8485a6a93dcf245ca95f3) (http://imageshack.us/a/img546/195/mqdefaultx.jpg)

"Finally, I have my pretty spear, where are you Alucard? come to daddy...."
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg402%2F971%2Fbramstokersdracula13.th.jpg&hash=d202f610c3659da43a5d5cf0ecb8b76e) (http://imageshack.us/a/img402/971/bramstokersdracula13.jpg)

"I do not leave home without my spear"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg27%2F4551%2Fdrac1500md.th.jpg&hash=5e69ffee6b956463977dab170c7cf439) (http://imageshack.us/a/img27/4551/drac1500md.jpg)

"Was not it enough to give it a spear? Did you have to give a whole box?. The brotherhood of light curses you Neobelmont"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg17%2F4033%2Fdraculabramstokerstrans.th.jpg&hash=c04e25f84705967572fe702e9bdb11f7) (http://imageshack.us/a/img17/4033/draculabramstokerstrans.jpg)

"I'm Alucard and this is my favorite weapon on the game.... (Yes fuck, sword)"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg856%2F2999%2F2792409alucardsympony.th.jpg&hash=d07cef3ebab2a3265b89604e56defb27) (http://imageshack.us/a/img856/2999/2792409alucardsympony.jpg)

"I also I have a sword bitch..."
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg842%2F6880%2Fdracula4w.th.jpg&hash=e301fa422cb755217dd72b8d6f9fc066) (http://imageshack.us/a/img842/6880/dracula4w.jpg)

"Eat this Laura!!! amateur..."
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg14%2F8619%2Fextracin.th.jpg&hash=df440017eabfe957dc0736baf577819b) (http://imageshack.us/a/img14/8619/extracin.jpg)

"I hate Hack&Slash, I want to explore the castle like in SOTN, by the way, very good castle designs MS..., I approve"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg268%2F3127%2Fbsdraculasbshot1l.th.jpg&hash=47c42f1315809cd40811348692aa9a3c) (http://imageshack.us/a/img268/3127/bsdraculasbshot1l.jpg)

"Ungrateful child, your daddy gives you immortality, a nice sword, hair soft, cool style .... What this is how you repay me?"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg405%2F7784%2Flargebramstokerdraculab.th.jpg&hash=2d310f964c5d500be863d459092988ec) (http://imageshack.us/a/img405/7784/largebramstokerdraculab.jpg)

"swords?, spears?, blood whips?, claws?. All this is shit, there's nothing like the classics. Fuck you LOS, I want to return the old timeline"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg853%2F8928%2Farticle20551480e83eda80.th.jpg&hash=1e44a48ac7dd6bc92adaeec94f9a8805) (http://imageshack.us/a/img853/8928/article20551480e83eda80.jpg)

"These useless MS have failed to capture my beauty and natural style"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg856%2F7973%2Fahdracula.th.jpg&hash=da6f0edccb7a6c93a496f1bd802f1c13) (http://imageshack.us/a/img856/7973/ahdracula.jpg)

"Shut all!!!! yuhuuu Dave .... want to sell really well?, forget about those old fogies, we are ready for a new reboot..."
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg24%2F4976%2Fcreepusculo1.th.jpg&hash=dd9f01832a783de73b78929532af7a55) (http://imageshack.us/a/img24/4976/creepusculo1.jpg)

"Love is in the air.... Hey Alucard make peace"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg809%2F8092%2Ftumblrm2tgnhy6td1rqt90q.th.jpg&hash=8408314c79cf0b7699e89ef037e56e50) (http://imageshack.us/a/img809/8092/tumblrm2tgnhy6td1rqt90q.jpg)

"I've been thinking ... red, everything is red in this damn game. But I like more the purple, haaa, too many years in wow"
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg594%2F5963%2Ftumblrme2eotmvnd1rd8muo.th.jpg&hash=18cd4ebbd970362fddd455c2b2fc1c5b) (http://imageshack.us/a/img594/5963/tumblrme2eotmvnd1rd8muo.jpg)

The whole post is a joke, that no one is offended ..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 10, 2013, 02:48:01 AM
Do you eat a lot of sugar?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 10, 2013, 02:59:13 AM
Do you eat a lot of sugar?

I was bored while waiting for E3 conferences .. thought to laugh a little, but did not expect that anyone else liked .. (That is the reason why I put that line end).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Silverlord on June 10, 2013, 05:23:25 AM
I might try it out. I admit that I'm not expecting that to happen.

Keep those expectations low and you never just know, Mercurysteam might surprise you.

My greatest fear is that the game is indeed brilliant, but then Mercurysteam leave the scene.  I don't want to go three steps back to Old Kent Road.  We're moving forward as a series here, breaking some new ground.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 10, 2013, 05:32:41 AM
Keep those expectations low and you never just know, Mercurysteam might surprise you.

My greatest fear is that the game is indeed brilliant, but then Mercurysteam leave the scene.  I don't want to go three steps back to Old Kent Road.  We're moving forward as a series here, breaking some new ground.

Yes and No, I love the spin-off of Lord of Shadows, I think it's great, especially from the point of view of history and art.
But right now I agree that the franchise has another company. Honestly what I most want now is a SOTN style game, with graphics of MoF but in high resolution. For me it would be perfect right after LOS2. Must vary as they say and after 3 Hack & Slash is time to take one of the old. In a few days we will doubt to see what MS does with Contra.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on June 10, 2013, 06:01:56 AM
Keep those expectations low and you never just know, Mercurysteam might surprise you.

My greatest fear is that the game is indeed brilliant, but then Mercurysteam leave the scene.  I don't want to go three steps back to Old Kent Road.  We're moving forward as a series here, breaking some new ground.

Honestly, it's probably going to be more of the same. From what I can tell, the combat is just like the Light/Shadow magic system from LoS1 just with a different skin, the platforming looks the same, and the titans are back, too. Then again, that doesn't matter if you liked all that, but it's more realistic to expect something close to LoS1 instead of a masterpiece.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on June 10, 2013, 07:31:19 AM
To be fair, the only thing that's the void and chaos powers that are similar is their ability to steal hp and deal extra damage and break guards. When you activate them your entire attack pattern changes, unlike the light and shadow magic which just colors you red or blue using the same weapon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 10, 2013, 08:17:13 AM
I was bored while waiting for E3 conferences .. thought to laugh a little, but did not expect that anyone else liked .. (That is the reason why I put that line end).
All those pictures make me wish that, after MS passes the torch, who ever gets ahold of it next, I would REALLY love a Dracula with traits of Vlad the Impaler/Vlad III. I remember, for years after SotN, everybody loved that room where you first encounter Death in(where he strips you of your equipment) because all the impaled bodies in the background. Since with LoS, we've got the opportunity to play as Dracula, I'm hoping he returns to the main villain role NEXT time around and he plays off both "genius tactitian" and "brutal warrior" strengths(on just one or the other).

Keep those expectations low and you never just know, Mercurysteam might surprise you.

My greatest fear is that the game is indeed brilliant, but then Mercurysteam leave the scene.  I don't want to go three steps back to Old Kent Road.  We're moving forward as a series here, breaking some new ground.
If the game is good, might as well leave the scene on a high note. I'm hopeful that who ever gets the series next(as long as it's not Ninja Theory), will deliver an interesting take on the series. As long as they don't go FPS CV, or come to some conclusion that if they start catering to the Twilight/MTV's Teen Wolf/Vampire Diaries/Lovely Creatures fanbase, they'll reap in Ka-CHING! from lovelorn and delusional girls. "One teenage girl torn between her love for Dracula and Simon Belmont!", "He's not evil, he's just... misunderstood!". "Living an eternal life means nothing if it's a life without love...",... :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 10, 2013, 08:25:11 AM
I'm really hoping the next team will be from Konami, but I guess that's unlikely.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 10, 2013, 08:51:28 AM
I'm really hoping the next team will be from Konami, but I guess that's unlikely.
Oh no you don't, Konami studios are the worst in the bussiness, name me one good game from Konami studios this gen. Passable, even.!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 10, 2013, 09:03:49 AM
But when they did it right, they did it really good.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on June 10, 2013, 09:04:24 AM
Gametrailers will have some stuff on the game after Microsoft PC.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 10, 2013, 09:16:22 AM
But when they did it right, they did it really good.

Yeah, several years ago.

Current Konami is scummy in the highest order, worse than Capcom even. But for some reason no one bothers to call's them out.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 10, 2013, 09:19:41 AM
No one? I think the general opinion is exactly as you described (though I'm not sure I'd call them worse than Capcom).

But isn't that happening to pretty much the majority of Japanese game houses? They outsource their series and overall seem to have lost interest in keeping it together.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on June 10, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
"One teenage girl torn between her love for Dracula and Simon Belmont!", "He's not evil, he's just... misunderstood!". "Living an eternal life means nothing if it's a life without love...",... :rollseyes:

That first bit actually already happend in a CV novel once. :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 10, 2013, 10:20:20 AM
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As long as they don't go FPS CV
I still wanna play Akumajo Dracula The Arcade

Castlevania Akumajou Dracula The Arcade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEJUIKCV3io#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 10, 2013, 10:22:11 AM
I still wanna play Akumajo Dracula The Arcade

Castlevania Akumajou Dracula The Arcade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEJUIKCV3io#)

In-diddly-deed. After playing that, I could form an opinion on whether or not they should ever do FPS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 10, 2013, 11:18:37 AM
But when they did it right, they did it really good.
like 20 years ago

Konami studios are terrible, which is sad, as they had some of the best, but the heads got out or are in mobile games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 10, 2013, 12:34:14 PM
They're gonna show the demo on Gametrailers in a few minutes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on June 10, 2013, 12:53:45 PM
Looks ok, they showed very little, just the tutorial on the throne room and a little of the gold paladin fight. I don't like the "QTE" to drink blood.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 10, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
They cut off right when I was getting into it.  >:(

Anyway it did look like Lords of Shadow 1, the camera control didn't look too bad and platforming looks a bit faster than it did before.  Not surprise the QTE's still remained and the hint's are still there, thankfully hints will be optional on normal difficulties.

Still wanna see how "open" the areas are.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on June 10, 2013, 01:14:54 PM
After playing the Bioshock series, I would be OK with a Castlevania FPW (first person whipper  :P). As long as there's CV signature music in the game.
The first person perspective is very immersive, and that would suit CV really well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 10, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
some gameplay
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - E3 2013: World Premiere Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKJdMmHrYCA#ws)


going  to  update the facts page as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 10, 2013, 02:42:55 PM
Thaks for the video.

Not like the blood-suck QTE but well they said would be less QTE, and to suck blood .... in short, I can understand. He has mentioned that there would be exploration and many secrets ... is Dave Cox.. I prefer to see it to believe it. I do not think the map is big because with that graphic quality not think it's bigger than the mapping of Arkam City.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 10, 2013, 02:46:05 PM
Thaks for the video.

Not like the blood-suck QTE but well they said would be less QTE, and to suck blood .... in short, I can understand. He has mentioned that there would be exploration and many secrets ... is Dave Cox.. I prefer to see it to believe it. I do not think the map is big because with that graphic quality not think it's bigger than the mapping of Arkam City.

no  problem but I found did find a better version. straight from gt themselves.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 10, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
Here's a video that shows the rest of it.

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - E3 2013: World Premiere Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKJdMmHrYCA#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gecko on June 10, 2013, 03:07:18 PM
"Having an open world environment in a Castlevania game is something that's never been done before"

Cox, what the hell have you been smokin'?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on June 10, 2013, 03:32:42 PM
The "What is a man line..." is in... cheesy as fuck.

Dracula's doing parkour... hnnnnnngh
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 10, 2013, 03:52:39 PM
What I like:

- Castle looks cool and large.
- Battles seem quicker(each of those knights go down with few hits).
- Boss battle looks cool.
- "What is a man...."

What I don't like:
- FUCKIN QTE!!!!!!!
- My prediction of fall damage might just be true, as the crappy "grab" rings seem to be placed strategically so you don't fall a great distance as you go back to the ground.
- Monkey Bar swinging isn't what I'd call "platforming".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 10, 2013, 03:55:01 PM
Haha, that line came right the fuck out of nowhere, Gabe.

I LOVE the scene before he fights the knights in his throne room though, with the goblet.

I think when he says open world has never been done, I THINK he means more long the lines of Arkham City style open world. He might be referring to that. or 3D open world in general, which really HASN'T been done before in CV.

While I'm not fond of QTE's returning, I like the new graphic for the rings, looks snazzy. The grabbable ledges are much less obtrusive and obvious as the big yellow glow. Void Sword looks cool, the Gauntlets are neat too, (Dracula? Basically fighting with his bare hands? FUCK YEAH) I like that he basically has all the moves he has when you fight him in MoF. I love the continuity there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 10, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
why does the word "void" remind me of final fantasy?

On the plus side no glowing ledges anymore..... unless you want them  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 10, 2013, 04:19:32 PM
That's right, that's right... Didn't he say you could turn it off? Neat.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 10, 2013, 04:29:21 PM
Also what I did like is that it actually LOOKS like your hitting the enemy. All of the attacks have some impact, the enemies stagger after each hit and the game seems to have proper hit detection this time around which is A ok in my book. Oh and the framerate seems to hold up nicely (to me at least).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 10, 2013, 04:29:56 PM
I like the blood effect when Gabe dodges.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 10, 2013, 04:39:23 PM
or 3D open world in general, which really HASN'T been done before in CV.



Looks like somebody forgot Curse of Darkness. ;)

Despite its bad reception the game did happen, and it did provide a "open world" of sorts, granted not one with a lot of depth or platforming for that matter.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gecko on June 10, 2013, 04:57:46 PM

I think when he says open world has never been done, I THINK he means more long the lines of Arkham City style open world. He might be referring to that. or 3D open world in general, which really HASN'T been done before in CV.


Curse of Darkness? Is it not open world? You can go anywhere at any time if you have the abilities to get there. Maybe I'm not understanding the meaning of "open world". I've always called the metroidvanias open world(well, open castle, mostly).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 10, 2013, 05:01:12 PM
Oh and I noticed that the void and chaos magic meters seem to regenerate.

Or maybe it's for demo purposes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 10, 2013, 05:08:56 PM
Curse of Darkness? Is it not open world? You can go anywhere at any time if you have the abilities to get there. Maybe I'm not understanding the meaning of "open world". I've always called the metroidvanias open world(well, open castle, mostly).

Thats what I'm saying.

You can freely traverse the ruins or the castle or head to the mountains or even the forest.

There's even a small town you can make it to.

And your still able to freely go back and explore the previous areas at your leisure.

I don't know, from what I hear from Cox LOS2 is going to have a similar type of freedom although I assume it will have much more depth and platforming than Curse of Darkness did.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 10, 2013, 05:12:31 PM
So let me tell you all about my wild INCEPTION-like dream concerning Lords of Shadow 2.. (warning: LONG semi-descriptive post ahead)


I can't remember exactly how it all started, but I was playing a demo of the game. I assume, story-wise, it began not too long after the events of Resurrection but before MoF. I mean, it must have been before MoF and before he claims the castle, and I'll explain why later. I was controlling Gabriel/Dracula in a gray-colored, damaged environment. I was fighting several demons using nothing but bare-hand combat. Dracula looked fierce, I recall just his idle stance was VERY menacing & just looked so badass. The rain just made the mood and environment all the better (I guess, now that I think about it, it kinda mirrored the first stage of LoS1, but obviously way better). After a few minor battles there was a boss or mini-boss, a lion-like creature. I was just controlling Dracula with extreme melee combat, no weapons or magic. There was also several obstacles I had to overcome while battling/escaping this lion-demon. After a while I was at this puzzle-like corridor. The graphics were REALLY nice, almost impressive. It was like perfect 1080p resolution, it was so vivid. I really wish I could paint a better picture of what I was seeing. Anyway this puzzle corridor was confusing at first, but was simple once I figured out how to get through it. I remember it involved mirrors somehow, and some climbing. I had to do some back-tracking and double takes to figure out what was going on. If you're well-versed in action & puzzle games then you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Now, before any of you punch me in the face, I will say this; Yes, there WAS shimmying, BUT it wasn't bad or annoying or out-of-place. I can tell because the constant shimmying in the first LoS really annoyed the fuck out of me. But here it was different, and somehow made sense! I recall it was a large wall structure with a clock-like design on it. I had to shimmy my way up there, but there was sliding panels so it wasn't as easy as it seemed. As I got closer to the top the camera would pan out to reveal this giant clock-looking structure. Oddly enough I don't remember falling or starting over at this part, it just took some patience & careful timing. But it wasn't long at all. At the top I encountered the lion-demon-mini-boss again, and engaged it in quick combat. I don't recall ANY QTE's, though there could've been and I just can't remember those intervals. Now that I think about it this creature could've just been the Daemon Lord seen in MoF, it had a similar design. After this part, I was suddenly at this portal-like part. This was the end of the demo, because for some odd reason, once I reached this part the game gave me the option to CHOOSE which "type" of Dracula to play the rest of the game as: the "melee combat" version, the "Draconis" version (yes, I remember it was distinctly titled Draconis, and it was Dracula with magic-like abilities as opposed to melee combat), and the third and final option was an amalgam of the first two. It was obvious to me that just about everybody was gonna choose the third "type," so I was wondering why they split it up like that. So this is the reason why I believe it took place before MoF, cuz I couldn't conjure any weapons or use magic or teleportation, yet Dracula had these abilities in MoF. After that, the demo faded to black and simply said "Coming Soon 2013."


it seems that certain parts of what I dreamt that night were somewhat-correct  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 10, 2013, 05:51:17 PM
Thats what I'm saying.

You can freely traverse the ruins or the castle or head to the mountains or even the forest.

There's even a small town you can make it to.

And your still able to freely go back and explore the previous areas at your leisure.

I don't know, from what I hear from Cox LOS2 is going to have a similar type of freedom although I assume it will have much more depth and platforming than Curse of Darkness did.
Who knows? Maybe the city won't be barren like the Cordova was. Maybe there's actually people there, some that actually HELP you(a "Pro-Drac" faction of sympathizers).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 10, 2013, 06:04:25 PM
Calling it now. Shaft reference somewhere.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 10, 2013, 06:07:53 PM
Who knows? Maybe the city won't be barren like the Cordova was. Maybe there's actually people there, some that actually HELP you(a "Pro-Drac" faction of sympathizers).

what do interactive people have to do with a "open world" castlevania game?

Sure it adds more realism, but the point I am making here is that Cox and Flame said there was not really a open world CV game that has been done before.

I'm saying what would you call Curse of Darkness?

Your able to travel a open world that ranges from castles, forests,towns,mountains, churches and so on, and you can travel them all on foot at your leisure.

Is that not a open world?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 10, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Also what I did like is that it actually LOOKS like your hitting the enemy. All of the attacks have some impact, the enemies stagger after each hit and the game seems to have proper hit detection this time around which is A ok in my book. Oh and the framerate seems to hold up nicely (to me at least).

Yes solid fps ... so do not risk even if you're buying, Swoop on PC, more quality and cheaper (with option to mods) what more could you ask for.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on June 10, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
Mash Square to win game
Press button to borrow Frostmourn from Arthas
Quick time event to drain blood?

"Awesome!!!"

Yeah.. This will be a bargain bin game really soon after release.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on June 10, 2013, 06:51:39 PM
why does the word "void" remind me of final fantasy?
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20110822181113%2Ffinalfantasy%2Fimages%2F7%2F71%2FDissidiaExdeathArtwork.PNG&hash=16d7945aad39277008ab070027ff3b1b)

Anyway, I would've preferred classic platforming compared to what was shown in the demo, and I would've preferred if they'd done away with the QTE entirely. Also, is it just me, or does the guy playing the demo not seem to be that good at the combat segments?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on June 10, 2013, 09:10:50 PM
The worst part was, for DAMN SURE, was the QTE on the shitty "platforming". HOLY FUCKING CRAP, I was cringing looking at this.

The graphics are amazing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on June 10, 2013, 09:14:40 PM
Mash Square to win game
Press button to borrow Frostmourn from Arthas
Quick time event to drain blood?

"Awesome!!!"

Yeah.. This will be a bargain bin game really soon after release.

Yeeaaa, I am pretty disappointed, you may as well be playing as one of the whip wielding Belmonts. I thought the blood whip wasn't all that bad, but seriously? No teleporting around the screen like in Mirror of fate, no projectiles of any kind. It's Dracula, what version of Dracula in any Castlevania game does not have a projectile??

So yea I think they could have seriously made this a really great game but it is going to be LoS 1 except with seamless world design and camera control. That is enough for some people, but not me, if your going to throw in Rondo of Blood Dracula lines in the mother fuckin game you can at least give Dracula some vampire powers. Dracula is the only thing carrying the game, the art style and graphics are their, I will give them that, but seriously if he did not bite into that knights neck I would have thought I am watching Gabriel from LoS 1 with new toys.

A dash teleport, hellfire, anything I mean shit, that was not the Dracula we saw in Mirror of fate, that was not the Dracula we saw in the first trailer by any stretch of the imagination. We saw the blood whip. . .

What a jip, I don't expect a all out sorcerer projectile slinging Dracula like we got with Judgement for the type of game it is, one projectile and a dash teleport would have been nice. I don't think I am being that hard on the game, that is just good business to give Dracula a stinkin teleport and projectile of some kind.

Rant over

Edit: He was very clear, in the video he states "We are giving you all the powers you get toward the end of the game", I mean what we saw is what we get.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 10, 2013, 09:42:16 PM
Well, now that the game has been officially shown, i guess it's time for the fans to start writing our early thesis statements for the endless debates that are for/against this game that will ensue, and the inevitable fracture of the fanbase LoS2 will cause & "future of Castlevania" theory threads!
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Post by: Pfil on June 10, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
Well, now that the game has been officially shown, i guess it's time for the fans to start writing our early thesis statements for the endless debates that are for/against this game that will ensue, and the inevitable fracture of the fanbase LoS2 will cause & "future of Castlevania" theory threads!
I am currently training at the Philadelphia Art Museum stairs for when that moment arrives  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on June 10, 2013, 11:15:09 PM
The worst part was, for DAMN SURE, was the QTE on the shitty "platforming". HOLY FUCKING CRAP, I was cringing looking at this.

The graphics are amazing.

Yep, it's a Lords of Shadow game all right.

I'll still have some fun with it. Not expecting it to be the be-all, end-all 3D Castlevania, but I'm curious to see where they take it nonetheless.

Edit: He was very clear, in the video he states "We are giving you all the powers you get toward the end of the game", I mean what we saw is what we get.

Even if this is true, I don't think we would have gotten to see absolutely everything the combos have to offer in the short bits they've shown. I mean, even LoS1 had the "pound floor for fiery pillars" attack that he does in MoF, and I don't think they showcased any subweapons at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on June 10, 2013, 11:26:17 PM
In that same vein, both Metroid Prime and Symphony of the Night began the game with the "end game" equipment/upgrades, but that didn't mean there wasn't more stuff/better stuff to get at the actual end game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on June 10, 2013, 11:38:34 PM
Wow, what an E3 so far! Just trying to catch up on things here.

As far as my impressions of LoS2... It's definitely still a LoS game. I like how the flow of animations and combat is better though. The platforming also seems faster and more organic. Makes it harder to tell where you can and can't go though, which will likely force the 'hints' revealer button (which kills the idea of hidden paths already).

Also, as expected, Cox totally lied since QTEs look even more prominent than LoS.

Very mixed feelings overall, but we'll see. I don't think I'll be picking this one up either, much like I didn't get Mirror of Fate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 11, 2013, 02:02:55 AM
I'll buy it, mainly because I have no problem with Hack & Slash, DMC is one of my favorite franchises, imagine how I felt to see this game .... Dante? Dante? DANTE!!

I also want to see how just certainly what most intrigues me LOS is history and ambience, really played the first as if I was in front of an interactive movie, loved it.

Clearly I have buy it on PC, I do not trust anything on consoles performance (and less than the XBOX360 that was where he had more problems), but I have clear that I'm not paying more for 39.90 €. If it comes out on Steam for that perfect price, if not ..... wait for an offer at 5 or 6 months ..

Regarding the future of Castlevania, I'm sure delivery will come now old school, but the artistic level MS has made it very high, not only for Castlevania but for many games, I have seen just two games at E3 (including the new generation, which approximate)

I'm dying to see what they can do graphically MS in the new generation ... PS4 is meant because I do FAILBOX One reaches out in Spain xDDD.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 11, 2013, 03:43:23 AM
Well well, what i have seem is LoS, wrapped in a new shiny box, same gameplay from first LoS, only change is the swords, when you are using magic, generic music from the little that can be heard, also Cox for once more has been proved liar
(click to show/hide)
so, if i was having any hope for that game, has been crushed, after watching this video.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 11, 2013, 04:21:10 AM
I'm happy with what I saw.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 11, 2013, 05:21:14 AM
Hmmm....Drac at the height of his power and just the whip, claws and a sword....? No fireballs? /boo
Oh hello again QTEs! And optional red circle platforming cues.

I just hope the story is good enough.
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Post by: Inccubus on June 11, 2013, 08:02:22 AM
Not for nothing... but what the hell are you people talking about when you say "platforming". Maybe I'm old fashioned but leaping from anchor point to anchor point with fear of falling into a ledge save for one sorry-ass QTE is not "platforming". I saw no "platforming" of any kind in that video.
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Post by: DoctaMario on June 11, 2013, 08:44:11 AM
This may have been discussed, but is the PC version going to come out at the same time as the console versions or will we have to wait a few months? Becuase if I have a choice, I'm going PC for this one.
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Post by: shelverton. on June 11, 2013, 10:06:45 AM

So, judging by that demo I'm once again gonna dislike the combat, which was pretty much expected. It's just not for me. I mean, I can tolerate it and learn to deal with it, but I'll never have much fun with that type of heavy combat.

However, I'm always up for some good exploration and interesting level design. I hope the "open world" doesn't disappoint. It could really save this game for me, being able to freely explore towers and catacombs, torture chambers, graveyards and forests - not being restricted to a level-by-level structure (except when you need a certain ability to reach a certain area, which is fine with me). That's great for 2D Classicvanias, but I'd rather have something else for the 3D games.

Thinking back at Curse of Darkness, it did many things really well - on paper. It could've been excellent, had they hired a proper level designer.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 11, 2013, 10:25:20 AM
This may have been discussed, but is the PC version going to come out at the same time as the console versions or will we have to wait a few months? Becuase if I have a choice, I'm going PC for this one.
So far it's day one.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 11, 2013, 10:46:49 AM
Not for nothing... but what the hell are you people talking about when you say "platforming". Maybe I'm old fashioned but leaping from anchor point to anchor point with fear of falling into a ledge save for one sorry-ass QTE is not "platforming". I saw no "platforming" of any kind in that video.
That has been paltfforming for 10 years (since the Sands of Time)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on June 11, 2013, 10:58:07 AM
In my opinion, Legacy of Darkness is platforming.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 11, 2013, 11:05:01 AM
That has been paltfforming for 10 years (since the Sands of Time)
And since it, it fucking sucks. It's the only thing I can't accept on these games. I would prefer if the game didn't have it than this shit they call platforming.

In my opinion, Legacy of Darkness is platforming.
Yes. And Mario 64. And Alice/Alice Madness. And Sonic. And Psychonauts... and many other examples.
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Post by: Pfil on June 11, 2013, 11:09:50 AM
And since it, it fucking sucks. It's the only thing I can't accept on these games. I would prefer if the game didn't have it than this shit they call platforming.
Yes. And Mario 64. And Alice/Alice Madness. And Sonic. And Psychonauts... and many other examples.
I agree.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 11, 2013, 11:25:53 AM
And since it, it fucking sucks. It's the only thing I can't accept on these games. I would prefer if the game didn't have it than this shit they call platforming.
>It might suck on Castlevania, but the PoP games are godly, I'm hoping the LoS2 mechanics are far far more polished this time.
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Post by: KyleVoakes on June 11, 2013, 12:40:37 PM
Here's the CV:LoS2 E3 trailer's music, in case y'all wanted it.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 ~ Official Soundtrack: The Titan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2djIpC-ls8#ws)
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Post by: shelverton. on June 11, 2013, 12:51:58 PM

As always, LoS music sounds like it's missing at least two channels (or whatever you'd call it). It's a GREAT and EPIC foundation, and then.... nothing happens. In this case, it almost sounds like it has a melody at 3:15 or something, but other than that it's just... there.

What if someone like Michiru Yamane took this tune and added an awesome, castlevaniaesque melody on top of it...
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 11, 2013, 12:55:54 PM
In my opinion, Legacy of Darkness is platforming.

lady speaks the truth.

In the words of kurt angle : Oh, It's True! It's Damn True! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXr-nLock7k#)


And since it, it fucking sucks. It's the only thing I can't accept on these games. I would prefer if the game didn't have it than this shit they call platforming.
Yes. And Mario 64. And Alice/Alice Madness. And Sonic. And Psychonauts... and many other examples.

And maximo.
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Post by: Pfil on June 11, 2013, 02:13:56 PM
Thanks Neo!  :)

As always, LoS music sounds like it's missing at least two channels (or whatever you'd call it). It's a GREAT and EPIC foundation, and then.... nothing happens. In this case, it almost sounds like it has a melody at 3:15 or something, but other than that it's just... there.

What if someone like Michiru Yamane took this tune and added an awesome, castlevaniaesque melody on top of it...
That's the real problem with Araujo. His compositions may have some other stuff going on, but it absolutely lacks in melody and chord progressions. That's the part missing... which happens to be the most important part in Castlevania's music.
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Post by: Flame on June 11, 2013, 03:29:53 PM
Not for nothing... but what the hell are you people talking about when you say "platforming". Maybe I'm old fashioned but leaping from anchor point to anchor point with fear of falling into a ledge save for one sorry-ass QTE is not "platforming". I saw no "platforming" of any kind in that video.
Fine. Let's call it ledging. (Ledgeforming?)
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Post by: Kingshango on June 11, 2013, 03:36:48 PM
I believe the correct phrase is "cinematic platforming."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_game)

Yeah I used Wikipedia, big whoop wanna fightaboudit?
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Post by: Bergaron on June 11, 2013, 03:43:17 PM
Okay, view the demo and comments, to summarize ..

The combat system is equal to LOS1 los2 (hack & Slash), but it shows faster, more fluid, the enemies seem harder, smarter, the fight will be even more strategic (skills, break defense). It seems (for lack of confirmation) less QTE.

There will be areas of "platforms" although very tours (like Batman) and an exploration component of the castle (but it will not be the main thing).

Not seen in the demo but it seems that there will be infiltration missions wolf form (metal gear?). And there are fewer puzzles, which are puzzles stage (to move forward) or that is what follows from his words.

Well that's all, finally, LOS1 IF YOU LIKE, DO NOT MISS LOS2, if you do not like LOS1, look at the history of LOS2 by youtube ... END.
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Post by: SaibotMK on June 11, 2013, 04:10:32 PM
Hmmm....Drac at the height of his power and just the whip, claws and a sword....? No fireballs? /boo
Oh hello again QTEs! And optional red circle platforming cues.

I just hope the story is good enough.

Yea no fireballs or teleporting, it is pretty disappointing.
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Post by: crisis on June 11, 2013, 05:01:39 PM
Did you really expect them to showcase all of his abilities in the demo?
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Post by: flyingchai on June 11, 2013, 05:36:26 PM
What crisis asked.

It's already been stated that Dracula can turn into mist, for example, and we don't see that in the demo. It's silly to think that the few demo abilities are comprehensive.
Probably Cox chose the wrong words when he said we start with "everything."
I interpret that as starting with all three main weapons.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 11, 2013, 06:35:22 PM
Only three weapons? =/
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Post by: Neobelmont on June 11, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
Yea no fireballs or teleporting, it is pretty disappointing.

we don't know that yet.

That could be his sub-weapon possibly..... possibly. That was just a tutorial level.
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Post by: flyingchai on June 11, 2013, 07:10:28 PM
we don't know that yet.

That could be his sub-weapon possibly..... possibly. That was just a tutorial level.

In addition to subweapons such as fireballs, which Dracula did project out of his cape in MoF, there's no doubt that all three main weapons will have their own respective advanced moves, also as demonstrated in Mirror of Fate.

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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 11, 2013, 07:34:36 PM
I see the trailer and gameplay demo of Final Fantasy XV and seeing Noctis teleport from enemy to enemy, then teleport hundreds of feet into the air to fight an enemy on the side of a building, only to fall down and teleport to his next destination, I someone WISH THAT is how Dracula played like. Tactically teleporting from enemy to enemy, not being afraid of teleporting to ridiculous heights, embracing the fall because he knows his skill and gravity is on his side. He's too badass to suffer fall damage. That's something a "mere human" would suffer, not "The Dragon".
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Post by: SaibotMK on June 11, 2013, 07:44:13 PM
What crisis asked.

It's already been stated that Dracula can turn into mist, for example, and we don't see that in the demo. It's silly to think that the few demo abilities are comprehensive.
Probably Cox chose the wrong words when he said we start with "everything."
I interpret that as starting with all three main weapons.

EDIT: Yes this is hopefully the case
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Post by: Flame on June 11, 2013, 09:03:12 PM
In LoS 1 when Shadow magic was active, his daggers became fireballs, which I'm certain was deliberate given his fate.
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Post by: SaibotMK on June 11, 2013, 10:22:22 PM
Ok huge apology to anyone who read my previous post and possibly started worrying, I never did play LoS 1, I briefly have before, but I was not aware of sub weapons being in that game at all period. I have no way of knowing anything at this point, again apologies.

So this is the case and anyone please do correct me if I am wrong, In Lords of Shadow 2 we are actually getting two new main weapons. I guess when they say Light magic and Shadow magic is being replaced with Void and Chaos, that could mean anything, I guess we don't really know yet for sure.

So theoretically one sub weapon could change the properties of all 3 weapons.

So one specific sub weapon while using the Void sword could possibly give us the projectile ability the sword has in MoF *Example*

Then one specific sub weapon while using Chaos Claws could give us some fire AoE *Example*

Then one specific sub weapon while using the blood whip could potentially give us a dash teleport. Maybe Dracula's iconic 3 projectile ability too *Example*

Far as mist form is concerned, yes I could see mist form being used for stealth in the game or in the modern day setting of the game, it was stated, so I don't see why not.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 11, 2013, 10:30:03 PM
I see the trailer and gameplay demo of Final Fantasy XV and seeing Noctis teleport from enemy to enemy, then teleport hundreds of feet into the air to fight an enemy on the side of a building, only to fall down and teleport to his next destination, I someone WISH THAT is how Dracula played like. Tactically teleporting from enemy to enemy, not being afraid of teleporting to ridiculous heights, embracing the fall because he knows his skill and gravity is on his side. He's too badass to suffer fall damage. That's something a "mere human" would suffer, not "The Dragon".

Me too. I was swapping Noct with Drac in my head.
Will there be mods of this? ahahahahaha!
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 11, 2013, 10:36:47 PM
One thing I was wondering is Dracula walking around the city  in modern times. It would be cool if there was a day and night system like Simon's Quest. How could Dracula walk around in the day anyways...?
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Post by: Kingshango on June 11, 2013, 11:14:02 PM
One thing I was wondering is Dracula walking around the city  in modern times. It would be cool if there was a day and night system like Simon's Quest. How could Dracula walk around in the day anyways...?

Lords of Shadow 2 reportedly takes place in one night.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 11, 2013, 11:27:29 PM
Lords of Shadow 2 reportedly takes place in one night.

So that would mean, the "time travelling" elements are Gabula's memories? or his imagined what if scenarios?
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Post by: Bergaron on June 12, 2013, 01:36:30 AM
One night in the present, the same night in the "past".. all in one night.

Puffff come on... Arnold Schwarzenegger wear as Gabriel...  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/344533592665387008/photo/1
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Post by: A-Yty on June 12, 2013, 01:52:18 AM
Those shin guards and boots look very silly. They look like the ones I put on when I go pick berries.
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Post by: Flame on June 12, 2013, 02:06:47 AM
Better pic of the statue

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1015107_10152890852750697_661801714_o.jpg)
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Post by: Nagumo on June 12, 2013, 02:56:48 AM
Hey Crisis, please let us know when you have bought this statue.
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Post by: A-Yty on June 12, 2013, 03:09:35 AM
I wonder what happens to stuff like that after they've served their purpose. Do some lucky assistants play rock-paper-scissors over them?
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Post by: crisis on June 12, 2013, 05:32:49 AM
They either end up in the "Konami Museum" at their HQ for display (much like the props for the Batman movies end up at the Warner Brothers Museum), in their storage warehouse to be recycled, or in a giant bin in my closet along with every other discarded Konami Castlevania product  ;)
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Post by: A-Yty on June 12, 2013, 05:36:53 AM
If you manage to stick your tentacles on loot like that, I will be officially astounded  ;D

I mean, shit, you've got dem treasures like you was a pirate, but this would really be a crowning achievement  8)
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Post by: Bergaron on June 12, 2013, 09:59:29 AM
More or less all khown it...
http://www.shacknews.com/article/79645/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview-building-on-success (http://www.shacknews.com/article/79645/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview-building-on-success)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 12, 2013, 10:23:50 AM
Hmm... looks like he reads the boards:
Those were some of our key problems with the game:
-The wonky framerate
-The over-reliance on QTE's
-The fixed camera (though this wasn't too big of an issue)

I hope he doesn't forget the other issues, though:
-The boring music (I don't think he's gonna do anything about it though)
-The barrel-breaking (not sure what's being done about it)
-The lack of actual platforming and the overuse of shimmying.

I think that was it, wasn't it?  I mean, everything else was pretty ok.
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Post by: Inccubus on June 12, 2013, 12:02:29 PM
That has been paltfforming for 10 years (since the Sands of Time)

These are dark times...


Fine. Let's call it ledging. (Ledgeforming?)

Yes, there you go. And for the record, F~U~C~K ledging.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 12, 2013, 01:39:42 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs.uvlist.net%2Fl%2Fy2011%2F02%2F80936.jpg&hash=af4e32e93adbe964053fcb7cef475cf5)

I remember it going further back. ;)
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Post by: GuyStarwind on June 12, 2013, 01:44:38 PM
Did I read somewhere that there will be various Belmonts you fight throughout the game or did I just make that crap up?

Color me happy my 500th post
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Post by: crisis on June 12, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
Quote
I mean, shit, you've got dem treasures like you was a pirate, but this would really be a crowning achievement

Indeed, A-Yty-sama, however I believe the crowning achievement I could possibly get for my collection would have to be the L.E. Vampire Killer gold cartridge (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,3001.msg59847.html#msg59847) I showcased a while back, of which only 2 known physical copies exist (I'm HOPING there's a few more). That, or the SotN beta cartridge for the Game.com handheld. Or the Castlevania Resurrection beta CD. STAY TUNED...


Hell, I'm still looking to commission someone to build my Alucard statue, I'm dying to see that realized :/
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Post by: Kingshango on June 12, 2013, 02:25:18 PM
Please let this be the official boxart.


(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamekapocs.hu%2Fmedia%2Fgaleria%2Fjatek%2F6%2F6456%2F10671%2F184803_orig_14.jpg&hash=9068c1939764bb76e353314ee0f12167)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 12, 2013, 02:29:10 PM
Look cool but there are already a oficial cover
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 12, 2013, 02:59:44 PM
Look cool but there are already a oficial cover
As far as I know, there's no official cover out yet.

So yeah, that new art is DAMN COOL.
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Post by: Bergaron on June 12, 2013, 03:09:57 PM
Ok the are TWO pre-oficial cover, that is really the same picture. I haven´t a link to image but is one picture with Gabriel and the wolfs. There are two version one complete and one like this (the middle)

http://www.amazon.com/Castlevania-Lords-Shadow-2-Playstation-3/dp/B0088MVP3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371074818&sr=8-1&keywords=lord+of+shadows+2 (http://www.amazon.com/Castlevania-Lords-Shadow-2-Playstation-3/dp/B0088MVP3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371074818&sr=8-1&keywords=lord+of+shadows+2)

One of this two version it will be the oficial. But yes at the moment no OFICIAL cover now.

Edit: More gameply from GameSpot and GameTrailers
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-e3-2013-stage-demo-6410045/ (http://www.gamespot.com/e3/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-e3-2013-stage-demo-6410045/)
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/tmr01k/castlevania--lords-of-shadow-2-e3-2013--first-take (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/tmr01k/castlevania--lords-of-shadow-2-e3-2013--first-take)

Edit: Some demo review:
http://www.destructoid.com/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-is-my-favorite-game-at-e3-256154.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-is-my-favorite-game-at-e3-256154.phtml)
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Post by: Maedhros on June 12, 2013, 04:39:36 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs.uvlist.net%2Fl%2Fy2011%2F02%2F80936.jpg&hash=af4e32e93adbe964053fcb7cef475cf5)

I remember it going further back. ;)
This one actually require skills. The "platforming" in modern games don't. It's simply automatic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on June 12, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
Finally got some confirmation that we do not see everything Dracula has to offer us in the tutorial, but only his 3 main weapons (some combos etc).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQQwlldropE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQQwlldropE)

@3:35 that very attractive women ask him a very attractive question and he gives a very attractive answer. It confirms to me that there is more to Dracula then just what we saw in the demo, I know some of you might think "Well I could have told you that", but I needed more.

Im hyped
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Post by: Flame on June 12, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
Yeah he says somewhere in one of those two vids up there that there are actually more sub-weapons than the first game.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 12, 2013, 07:21:23 PM
The titan battles look a lot better than the last. They are actually fun this time! And I liked the titan battles in the first one. So far, i'm in for a treat!

On the other hand... Gabriel was already a superhuman in the first game, he is more of a brutish warrior who "happens" to be a Vampire. Laura behaved like a Vampire and OT Dracula was... himself at his best, but Gabriel Dracula isn't that Vampirish... His strength hasn't improved since LoS. The way he pushed the statue after he fought the brotherhood warriors, in LoS he pushed and pulled things without much strain. And that parkour jump he was doing? It seemed like a near miss. Human Gabriel does that. Vampire Gabriel should have just flew to the Titan or do a Super Man jump.
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Post by: Koutei on June 12, 2013, 07:45:02 PM
Japanese version was announced.

Akumajo Dracula series most recent work (working title) Platform: PS3
*konami.jp (http://www.konami.jp/products/dracula_new/)
*famitsu.com (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201306/13034677.html)
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 12, 2013, 07:50:05 PM
Japanese version was announced.

Akumajo Dracula series most recent work (working title) Platform: PS3
*konami.jp (http://www.konami.jp/products/dracula_new/)
*famitsu.com (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201306/13034677.html)
Akumajou Dracula? Wait, that's not right, could it mean...?
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Post by: Maedhros on June 12, 2013, 08:06:39 PM
Akumajou Dracula? Wait, that's not right, could it mean...?
It means nothing.

HNNNNNNNG:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.famitsu.com%2Fimages%2F000%2F034%2F677%2Fl_51b5baeecd71e.jpg&hash=895c8643a4aac08115bd127e77d4babc)
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 12, 2013, 08:12:08 PM
It means that LoS finally absorbed Akumajou lol  :sad stuff:
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 12, 2013, 08:56:16 PM
Akumajou Dracula? Where is Cecil-Kain when you need him? "Akumajou Fans"
XD

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Post by: crisis on June 12, 2013, 09:10:19 PM
He quit the Dungeon since he made that topic concerning Cox & disrepancies with sales figures which inevitably resulted in several members attacking/insulting him & his cause.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 12, 2013, 09:14:16 PM
Well, he wanted a new Akumajou.

cecil-kain am cry
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Post by: crisis on June 12, 2013, 09:34:38 PM
To be fair he was a nice guy & his heart was indeed in the right place; he just wanted Konami to continue making "Akumajo" games i.e. "canon" games that preserved high-quality 2D production values, and their complete dismissal of the milestone 25th Anniversary was perhaps the linchpin of his cause. I just think the ensuing insults & mockery of what he was doing was highly un-called for, even by Jorge's admission, which is what caused his departure, but what's done is done I guess. Nobody had to agree with his cause, but it wasn't necessary to degrade it & his efforts either. I felt like he contributed a lot to the Dungeon when he was more active back in the day. But that's just my opinion about that situation, back on topic~


The artwork for LoS2 is fuckin' awesome, WAY better than the first LoS (LoS' artwork was good, but only the in-game artwork & even that came off as too "sketchy," stuff that would've been more appropriate in a "making-of" artbook instead of the game itself). I even enjoyed MoF's artstyle; say what you will about the shimmying/gameplay/whatever, but I haven't heard anybody complaining about the excellent artwork we've seen thus far
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Post by: Munchy on June 12, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
Akumajou Dracula? Wait, that's not right, could it mean...?

I seem to remember Japanese ads for LoS1 mentioning that title on them, probably just to show consumers that it's the same series.

On somewhat of a tangent, I also remember that on the English Vampire Killer box, the phrase "Dracula's Satanic Castle" was mentioned once or twice, probably as a translation of that title. I would flip my shit if Satan became a squatter in Dracula's Castle, making it "Satanic", and you had to boot him out. Eh? Eh???
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 12, 2013, 10:50:01 PM
See in terms of platforming, InFamous had it best. Climb fast and when on a thin plank/platform, it didn't matter. It wasn't a carefulwithyouranalogstickfest, the game did it for you hence faster progression. That's what I've seen so far in the trailer and I hope they keep it that way. I don't mind QTEs in platforming but the finishers for the knights does bother me a bit for I may have to do that a thousand time per play through, but it's not necessary to kill your enemies with QTEs as shown in previous games. I want the combo artwork to return however. They were some of the best in any hack n' slash genres and they were creative rather than showing the videos of the combos before purchasing them. My only criticism is that Dracula is more "magical" than an evil Vampire. When you use the Void sword, it's hit spark is some sort of a flaming blue wing when it hits the enemies. While it is a cool effect for any warrior, it doesn't suit Dracula in my opinion.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jestercolony on June 12, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
At long last, we are being shown some new details on LOS2. I don't know about you guys, but I am seriously gonna get me some pop corn to see the fight of the century

>.>

<.<

The Prince of Darkness

vs.

The Light Bearer


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Post by: chainsawmidget on June 12, 2013, 11:31:59 PM
I seem to remember Japanese ads for LoS1 mentioning that title on them, probably just to show consumers that it's the same series.

On somewhat of a tangent, I also remember that on the English Vampire Killer box, the phrase "Dracula's Satanic Castle" was mentioned once or twice, probably as a translation of that title. I would flip my shit if Satan became a squatter in Dracula's Castle, making it "Satanic", and you had to boot him out. Eh? Eh???
The idea of Satan being the fat drunk guy that sleeps on Dracula's couch does appeal to me. 
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 13, 2013, 12:40:16 AM
Lol, Kojima!
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 13, 2013, 12:47:52 AM
I love that statue it would certainly get my attention passing by
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Post by: thernz on June 13, 2013, 01:38:56 AM
I was hoping for some information on Lords 2's other gameplay besides what was a given.
Like the open world, because most games have terrible open worlds.

But imagine if the open world in Lords 2 was actually good where like in Deadly Premonition, you could stalk and spy on people's homes. Now you can stalk Zobek back and watch him recite Nietzche in his lofty apartment. Dracula just peering through the window...

Dracula stalking a Titan and watching it make breakfast for goblins.

Dracula stalking Satan trying to decide which billowing smoke to wear as underwear.

Dracula stalking Kojima and asking why Kojima abandoned him like God did.

Dracula stalking himself and watching himself cry in the bathroom mirror.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 13, 2013, 02:56:15 AM
Finally got some confirmation that we do not see everything Dracula has to offer us in the tutorial, but only his 3 main weapons (some combos etc).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQQwlldropE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQQwlldropE)

@3:35 that very attractive women ask him a very attractive question and he gives a very attractive answer. It confirms to me that there is more to Dracula then just what we saw in the demo, I know some of you might think "Well I could have told you that", but I needed more.

Im hyped

Look how Dave put his both hand in crotch

ARTWORK!!!!
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More Gameplay:
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http://www.gamespot.com/e3/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-e3-2013-weapon-mechanics-6410117/ (http://www.gamespot.com/e3/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-e3-2013-weapon-mechanics-6410117/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on June 13, 2013, 03:29:14 AM
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I remember it going further back. ;)

That's not the same. You don't play whole sections hanging off a ledge with no enemies in sight. It shouldn't be any more than it is in the Flintstones or Metroid Zero Mission. At least in Contra III when they force you to climb on walls and wires and shit they're still sending things to try to kill you. Not this pussified separation of combat and ledgeforming.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 13, 2013, 03:39:13 AM
Castlevania: SotN (Playstation) What is a man? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMTizJemHO8#)

Hahaha in demo one of the warrior say "Die monster, you don´t belong in this world" perhaps one of this soldier is Richter..xD

Very good interview... can someone translate it, my english is very bad..
http://www.meristation.com/video/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/1874484 (http://www.meristation.com/video/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/1874484)

Confirmed!!! PC version is going to be the BEST!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on June 13, 2013, 07:18:32 AM
I have absolutely no idea what just happened but suddenly I'm really, really hyped for this game. It just looks a lot better than the first LoS. I hope combat is more than just the same old arena type battles where you must defeat every last enemy in order to move on to the next arena type battle... Castlevania should take a look at something like Dark Souls and study how it handles enemy placement. It feels completely seamless and natural and not FORCED upon the player. And yet it's a super challenging game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kale on June 13, 2013, 08:11:12 AM
It doesn't look horrible, and I wasn't expecting it to be. It looks pretty decent, even if I don't like the first as much as I'd like. Due to the QTEs.... and of course they're back.

Not sure if I like the weapon system. But it's better than the old magic system or weapon system of DMC where you had to hold down the button. I'm in no rush to get it but I'll probably play it because it has CV's name on it.

OH, and it's on PC. Which makes it better for me.

Fine. Let's call it ledging. (Ledgeforming?)

Hahaha, that is funny, and i hated it in Uncharted too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 13, 2013, 08:17:28 AM
So far I don't see anything "Draccy" about his attacks. "Warrior" or not, there is no point in slashing with claws, swords or whips when you're a powerful vampire.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on June 13, 2013, 08:33:40 AM
in lords canon, there is an unmentioned incident where dracula was defeated after the simon-alucard boogaloo event.

juste belmont arrives at the castle. dracula, sensing this, decides to pursue him, but dracula slips off a ledge and falls into a pit. the castle begins to crumble and the bewildered juste decides to leave and claim he defeated dracula after stealing some furniture. he is given several accolades and decides to marry lydie erlanger. however, because he did not collect every piece of furniture, lydie refuses the offer. dracula wins.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 13, 2013, 08:33:52 AM
So far I don't see anything "Draccy" about his attacks. "Warrior" or not, there is no point in slashing with claws, swords or whips when you're a powerful vampire.
Well he was a warrior in life, so he's a warrior in un-life. He was never a sorceror type like Carmilla who uses force lightning. he was the front lines knight. He changed up his arsenal a slight bit, but he still is the front lines kind of fighter.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 13, 2013, 08:36:51 AM
He's also bit of dum-dum if he doesn't fully utilize dem powers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 13, 2013, 08:39:36 AM
If Dracula use all his power.... well, no game.., only Satan can´t beat us..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on June 13, 2013, 08:48:49 AM
Not necessarily. Drac does flashy stuff in the original canon, but there's always a trick to beat him. There are limits even to his power.

And if the justification is "well duh. Of course he is depowered, because then there wouldn't be a challenge", the whole concept should have been thought of better.

Of course it's too early to tell. But still, I'd like to see a glimpse of actual vampire stuff, not Gabriel Belmont The Bare-Chested Longhair Edition.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 13, 2013, 09:12:02 AM
Take with caution: Cox said in one of the numerous interviews that the MS team is trying to rethink the game and to remove the QTEs (he stated he took feedback from the fans).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on June 13, 2013, 09:22:20 AM
Take with caution: Cox said in one of the numerous interviews that the MS team is trying to rethink the game and to remove the QTEs (he stated he took feedback from the fans).
Give me a reason to believe him. Call me cynical if you want.

I want to believe.


EDIT: The music that plays on the Combat Mechanics Video... wow. Is that... Dracula's Theme remix?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on June 13, 2013, 09:25:38 AM
Give me a reason to believe him. Call me cynical if you want.
Well he is a proven liar, so I'll call you reasonable.
Or realistic. Inner dictionary derping. Halp.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on June 13, 2013, 10:07:44 AM
EDIT: The music that plays on the Combat Mechanics Video... wow. Is that... Dracula's Theme remix?
Could you link us, please?

EDIT: Nvm, found;
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 13, 2013, 10:24:28 AM

EDIT: The music that plays on the Combat Mechanics Video... wow. Is that... Dracula's Theme remix?
I dunno... I'm not hearin' it...

Unless you mean his theme from MoF
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 13, 2013, 10:29:36 AM
Dracula's Theme as in Dance of illusions os as in Mirror of Fate? (It was a nice theme)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DoctaMario on June 13, 2013, 10:31:55 AM
That's not the same. You don't play whole sections hanging off a ledge with no enemies in sight. It shouldn't be any more than it is in the Flintstones or Metroid Zero Mission. At least in Contra III when they force you to climb on walls and wires and shit they're still sending things to try to kill you. Not this pussified separation of combat and ledgeforming.

But all the games you mentioned are 2D games. Platforming in 3D is STILL a difficult thing even without enemies advancing at you because of camera issues. They did it largely the same way in the 64 games, the Devil May Cry games, and God Of War. Comparing platforming in 2d vs 3d is an apples to oranges type of thing. And with games like Contra and Metroid, you have ranged weapons that give you the possibility of being able to fend off these attacks before the enemies get too close. Castlevania 4 allowed you to use subweapons while hooked on to rings, but LoS doesn't allow that, which leaves you completely defenseless while clinging to a ledge (which, imo is as it should be.)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 13, 2013, 10:37:33 AM
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But all the games you mentioned are 2D games. Platforming in 3D is STILL a difficult thing even without enemies advancing at you because of camera issues. They did it largely the same way in the 64 games, the Devil May Cry games, and God Of War. Comparing platforming in 2d vs 3d is an apples to oranges type of thing. And with games like Contra and Metroid, you have ranged weapons that give you the possibility of being able to fend off these attacks before the enemies get too close. Castlevania 4 allowed you to use subweapons while hooked on to rings, but LoS doesn't allow that, which leaves you completely defenseless while clinging to a ledge (which, imo is as it should be.)

You're being nominated for an award, whether you like it or not  >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on June 13, 2013, 10:39:17 AM
Dance of Illusions.

Well... it really isn't it. It's a bit eletronic, though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on June 13, 2013, 10:43:51 AM
But all the games you mentioned are 2D games. Platforming in 3D is STILL a difficult thing even without enemies advancing at you because of camera issues. They did it largely the same way in the 64 games, the Devil May Cry games, and God Of War. Comparing platforming in 2d vs 3d is an apples to oranges type of thing. And with games like Contra and Metroid, you have ranged weapons that give you the possibility of being able to fend off these attacks before the enemies get too close. Castlevania 4 allowed you to use subweapons while hooked on to rings, but LoS doesn't allow that, which leaves you completely defenseless while clinging to a ledge (which, imo is as it should be.)
I have listed at least 6 games that does 3D platforming right. Real 3D platforming, as in skill based, where you start from the beginning if you fuck up, where need to go up again if you fall. There are LOTS of ways to do 3D platforming besides the shit we see here in LoS and other modern games.

It IS possible to do combat while doing this modern climbing... God of War does this since the first game. And considering in LoS you have aerial combat, the game could have real platforming if they actually tried a different approach. But they choose to not have platforming on it (in LoS 1).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 13, 2013, 11:34:27 AM
Dance of Illusions.

Well... it really isn't it. It's a bit eletronic, though.
It's similar, it actually has the same progressions BUT it ain't DoI. Bummer, that's the best CV tune.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on June 13, 2013, 01:05:48 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2- Big Boss Fight - E3 Demo Playthrough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sllxQ3BH4YU#ws)

Full demo.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 13, 2013, 01:30:52 PM
Ok skipping the throne room battle and watching from then on, a few things come to mind:

1. It seems that it IS possible to clear that jump at the beginning, im sure there's a technique that lets you clear bigger gaps that you'll get later on. (And thank god that there isn't an invisible wall blocking the path forcing you to do all the shimmying over again, that would have been infuriating.)

2. The respawn system works exactly how I predicted it a few pages back. (I have a feeling a few people won't like how it works)

3. The titan climb actually seems tense with the golden paladin shooting at you and the shimmying (love it or hate it) looks faster this time. Oh and not a single "HOLD RT TO HOLD ON" prompt was seen.  :)

4. Dracula's method of taking down the titan by throwing up blood on the core was the oddest thing I've seen a vampire do and I've seen vampires do odd things.

5. GAHHHH I HATE IT WHEN THEY END A DEMO LIKE THAT!!  >:(

All in all I like what I saw, the only thing that bugged me was obviously the QTE's (especially when the titan was slamming him against the castle) but's that's to be expected. I cannot wait to see more, hopefully the next time we see it (knowing Konami it's gonna be a long time from now) we'll see more of the open world exploration.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 13, 2013, 01:44:55 PM
Now the titans are like "levels" part of the map.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 13, 2013, 01:49:03 PM
The QTE's themselves seem to have been made easier to get right, what with the details on the two circles. In LoS1 they were kind of awkward being just 2 plain thin circles. The "HOLD RT TO HANG ON" seems to have been replaced with a quick time prompt, speeding it up considerably, and I like what they did with the titans.

Throwing up blood onto the crystal powering the titan was odd, yet at the same time, totally cool. Like, his unholy bile just fucks with whatever holy power makes the thing work.

The what is a man line really could have been better placed. The Golden paladin's "DIE MONSTER" works well though.

I like it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on June 13, 2013, 02:22:56 PM
In reply to the above discussion: If we're talking about genuine, consequential platforming w/ action in 3D, I would site Capcom's Maximo series or the full 3D Bionic Commando from a while back (which consequently also made full, total-control 3D gap-swinging for the first time). Though, camera issues aside, the N64 CV games showed the meat-and-potatoes of real 3D platforming, to say nothing of Mario 64.

EDIT: Really, we're seeing nothing of that sort from LoS2, despite its improvements so far. I think it goes back to the emphasis on combo-combat, which makes the character animation less versatile in tight, free-flowing platforming scenarios.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kale on June 13, 2013, 02:34:06 PM
That vampire bile thing was stupid, imo. Nothing to not get the game over though. Just a weird wtf, and move on sort of thing.

I hated the shimmying, but the idea of having someone shoot at you... probably is a good thing, to add a bit more of a tense atmosphere, don't know if I'd like it til I actually try it, I guess.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on June 13, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
At least that rumor about Dracula being a fake impersonation created by the Toy Maker isn't true. The demo says Dracula returns after Simon and Alucard defeated him in MoF.

If Julius doesn't show up, maybe Richter will be the one trailing him for the whole game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 13, 2013, 04:36:49 PM
If this game does superbly well, does this mean David Cox really did save the Castlevania franchise?
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Post by: crisis on June 13, 2013, 04:42:32 PM
No because the franchise was never in any real danger. They've been producing games consecutively year after year

If however Dave Cox reboots the Goemon/Mystical Ninja franchise so it has mass appeal ala Mario, THAT'S what I call "saving a franchise."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 13, 2013, 05:12:45 PM
If this game does superbly well does this mean David Cox really did save the Castlevania franchise?
Depends on the fate of the franchise after he leaves. if Castlevania regains it's place at the top, and gets consistent good games with GOOD BUDGETS, then yes.

No because the franchise was never in any real danger. They've been producing games consecutively year after year
Relegated to handhelds, with 4 3D console flops, (3 if you count the 2 N64 games as 1 entity a-la Sonic 3&K) (not counting Judgement) and apparently pitiable budgets and stagnant gameplay and presentation, i would say it was not dead yet, but it was going there. IGA's era had simply run it's course, and his bad habits were doing more harm than good.

LoS, like the game or not, was the booster shot that the franchise needed to kick it into the present day, back onto consoles where it belongs, with the kind of budget and dedication it deserves.

When he says he prevented it from becoming another Mega Man, he's not lying. Mega Man failed to enter the modern 3D gaming era when X7 bombed, and Capcom just gave up trying. Legends 3 could have been something the franchise needed, and I think Capcom severely underestimated the audience for it. But it didn't happen, and Mega Man is in limbo. Castlevania would have met the same fate eventually.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on June 13, 2013, 05:14:18 PM
4. Dracula's method of taking down the titan by throwing up blood on the core was the oddest thing I've seen a vampire do and I've seen vampires do odd things.

Oh God pleeeease let this be one of the default subweapons. Blood vomit would be an amazing way to troll enemies.

And the respawning doesn't sound much better or worse than what was in LoS. Just quicker, which isn't all that bad. Sure, I hope the difficulty levels actually change more than just enemy damage output (like, say, changing enemy layouts and more sparse checkpoints perhaps???), but you can't win them all I guess.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 13, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
When he says he prevented it from becoming another Mega Man, he's not lying. Mega Man failed to enter the modern 3D gaming era when X7 bombed, and Capcom just gave up trying. Legends 3 could have been something the franchise needed, and I think Capcom severely underestimated the audience for it. But it didn't happen, and Mega Man is in limbo. Castlevania would have met the same fate eventually.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on June 13, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
At least that rumor about Dracula being a fake impersonation created by the Toy Maker isn't true. The demo says Dracula returns after Simon and Alucard defeated him in MoF.

If Julius doesn't show up, maybe Richter will be the one trailing him for the whole game.

I hope so, I want to see Richter in LoS 2
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Post by: crisis on June 13, 2013, 05:53:28 PM
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Relegated to handhelds,
Not really a "bad" thing since people were still buying them, or else they would've stopped at Harmony of Dissonance.

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stagnant gameplay and presentation,
That's entirely subjective

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i would say it was not dead yet, but it was going there. IGA's era had simply run it's course, and his bad habits were doing more harm than good.
If Cox/MercurySteam hadn't come into the picture, then things would've most likely proceeded "business as usual" regardless of their presence. "Mystical Ninja" hasn't seen a fresh game in years. Suikoden isn't getting the attention it deserves. Those are just a couple examples of series that are on "life support/near death." Like I said, Castlevania has seen consecutive releases for the past decade and there was no signs of it slowing down, despite "flops" like Judgment and CoD. Akumajo Dracula PS360 would've came out instead of LoS, a new handheld game after that (which no doubt would've faired way better than MoF had it followed the trend of the previous "metroidvanias"), maybe even a port of Akumajo Dracula The Arcade. People even bought and still play Harmony of Despair. Did you forget they were actually pitching a live-action movie for a while? Dead/forgotton franchises don't have that luxury.


So I disagree that Castlevania was "near death" before MS/Cox came along. Sure the series deserved more respect than it was given (especially after they flat-out ignored the 25th Anniversary) but it was still receiving more attention than other Konami properties. It may not be a "heavy hitter" series, but it certainly wasn't fading into obscurity. Of course MercurySteam deserves a lot of credit for finally realizing Castlevania in glorious 3D, but to say they saved the franchise from doom is an exaggeration.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 13, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
Indeed.

Poor Mystical Ninja, Twinbee, Parodius (Otomedius I guess works for Gradius?).

Seems Konami is just Metal Gear (and only Solid; no old MSX/NES versions), Silent Hill, and Dance Dance Revolution (though Dance Dance Revolution is dying now it seems).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on June 13, 2013, 06:26:46 PM
I know their are more sub weapons in LoS 2, but I am really disappointed we have still not got a confirmation on if we can bloody teleport or not. I know its a hack n slash, but why not add his iconic teleport and 3 fireballs projected out of his cape like we see in MoF.

I know the possibly is their, but he could have at very least kind of gave us a hint at some of his other powers. All we know is, he has 3 main weapons, a whip, a sword, claws and the ability to turn into mist along with possess enemies. A "You will get what you saw in MoF" would have worked, anything.

I only see Dracula teleporting after he is being hit by that golden winged armored archer, which is a uncontrollable thing and only happens to reset your character. It just doesn't feel like the Dracula I know in Castlevania and sure as hell not the Dracula in Rondo or SoTN, yet they quote lines from those games which is just cheese, ugh.
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Post by: crisis on June 13, 2013, 06:48:55 PM
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It just doesn't feel like the Dracula I know in Castlevania and sure as hell not the Dracula in Rondo or SoTN

Well, that's their intention. That's why I'm gonna play LoS2 with very little preconceived expectations, so I won't be as disappointed if "such & such" isn't there.
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Post by: Flame on June 13, 2013, 06:50:43 PM
It just doesn't feel like the Dracula I know in Castlevania and sure as hell not the Dracula in Rondo or SoTN,
Because it isn't.
 
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yet they quote lines from those games which is just cheese, ugh.
Gotta please people somehow when they complain that it isnt castlevania.

'sides, how could they do Dracula WITHOUT that famous speech?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on June 13, 2013, 06:58:04 PM
Indeed.

Poor Mystical Ninja, Twinbee, Parodius (Otomedius I guess works for Gradius?).

Seems Konami is just Metal Gear (and only Solid; no old MSX/NES versions), Silent Hill, and Dance Dance Revolution (though Dance Dance Revolution is dying now it seems).


You forgot Yu-gi-oh!  just to let you know

And poor fuma.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on June 13, 2013, 07:34:04 PM
Well, if you'd ask a Silent Hill fan, I bet he/she would argue that Konami only cares about Metal Gear and Castlevania. Silent Hill is, IMO, in a really really bad shape. Much worse than Castlevania ever was. And personally, I would probably trade a couple of years of Castlevania for just one more, proper Suikoden game. But that's never going to happen. Oh, and Gradius... and Contra.

I doubt Castlevania was ever in any real danger, it was more about Konami looking at games like God of War, thinking that they'd kill for a franchise like that. And Castlevania was the most obvious choice for that experiment. I doubt LoS2 will sell as much as LoS1, sequels rarely does (unless you're Assassin's Creed, God of War, Call of Duty or stuff like that), but with a little marketing maybe it'll sell... dunno.. 600-700K worldwide maybe, ps3/360/pc combined. Or something. Which isn't half bad.

Castlevania will never ever play with the big boys. I hope Konami have realistic expectations this time. They should, especially after Mirror of Flop.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 13, 2013, 07:54:10 PM
I doubt even Konami had high expectations for Mirror of Fate's sales either. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the game managed to break even for them.

I think LOS2 will do fine sales wise, however not as fine as LOS1 since a lot of fans were burned by the first game (as well as MoF). So much that they won't bother giving the game a fair chance even if the game managed be good or dare I say great.

And maybe PC sales will help a bit, maybe.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 13, 2013, 10:27:46 PM

  Gotta please people somehow when they complain that it isnt castlevania.

'sides, how could they do Dracula WITHOUT that famous speech?
Now you're being stupid. No one asked for old quotes and this doesn't please anyone. The line comes out of fucking nowhere. Incredible wrong place to even say it. It would be best if they didn't even put the line there at all.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 13, 2013, 10:48:18 PM
Now you're being stupid. No one asked for old quotes and this doesn't please anyone. The line comes out of fucking nowhere. Incredible wrong place to even say it. It would be best if they didn't even put the line there at all.

Oh dearie dearie, if I am not mistaken, MS wants maximum cheese with LoS2. Even if it does not fit. Besides newbies in the CV franchise would have no idea where the line came from. So let's just grin and bear it.  ;)

...and Dance Dance Revolution (though Dance Dance Revolution is dying now it seems).

I think they changed it to Dance Evolution and I think it only has a following within Japan and some countries in Asia.
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Post by: Pfil on June 13, 2013, 11:22:58 PM
on a side note, my rep points dropped significantly over the past 24 hours! This morning it was 399, now it's 372!
It bothers me when that happens. But don't worry, here I'm giving +1 to all your posts I like from now to 1 week ago.
Everyone can see me upvoting now, but that won't prevent me from doing it anyway.
I enjoy upvoting people I like.
Kiss!  :)
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Post by: jestercolony on June 13, 2013, 11:28:04 PM
I wonder if we'll be seeing Slogra this time around as a boss, or something. That would be wicked cool!
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Post by: Flame on June 13, 2013, 11:50:07 PM
I REALLY like the blood trail when he dashes.
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Post by: Dremn on June 14, 2013, 12:10:31 AM
If this game does superbly well, does this mean David Cox really did save the Castlevania franchise?
No, it just means Akumajou Dracula is dead and buried and Konami will probably keep the LoS formula going after LoS2.

If 2D Castlevania is done for, I'm out. It's terrible seeing this franchise becoming so focused on the hack and slash genre, further deviating itself away from it's platforming roots and unique design.
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Post by: Bergaron on June 14, 2013, 12:10:49 AM
My bet is:

Konami recently registered the trademark "Contra: Run and Gun".
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/konami-seeking-contra-run-and-gun-trademark-6409503/ (http://www.gamespot.com/e3/konami-seeking-contra-run-and-gun-trademark-6409503/)

The title suggests a "simple" game, stylish smartphone/tablet. In a recent interview is interesting to see how MS chief talk about next project. He uses the word "device", that word struck me, in Spain not usually use that word to talk about consoles (they are called "consoles" or "systems"), that word is used for smartphones and tablets.

If we add this to the known interest of MS and Cox to resurrect the franchise "Contra" ... We could have a resurgence of "Contra" on IOS, Android, Live, Plus (and perhaps portable consoles)?

It seems that Konami is now very interested in "simple" games for iOS and Android devices, also Square/Enix is launching and will launch many new games for these formats.
Nintendo itself commented recently that had arisen launch their games in these formats but so far ruled out because the gaming experience would not be the same (as the 3DS is selling well .... we'll see in the future)

According to statistics over 60% of the gaming market in Japan now is in portable devices (iOS, Android, 3DS, Vita), that is the reason that both Sony and Microsoft do not sell from the beginning their consoles in Japan, not a priority market and Microsft has nothing to do in Japan ... so no battle. The battle is in Europe and USA.

These are just my theories, nothing more.


Edit: In the same interview, MS confirm that his new project has nothing to do with Castlevania, also said that will "cambiar de registro" (I don´t know the expression in English), it will not be a Hack & Slash... another style.
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Post by: Pfil on June 14, 2013, 12:17:26 AM
No, it just means Akumajou Dracula is dead and buried and Konami will probably keep the LoS formula going after LoS2.
From my point of view, if that happens and Konami decides to stick to the LoS formula and nothing more (especially the music), we'll never have a new ClassicVania or MetroidVania again anymore. That would be the saddest thing ever in my life as a videogames fan.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 14, 2013, 12:25:28 AM
I hope they end the LoS saga after MS. LoS was built to be a trilogy. The story will be finished and there's no need to come back to it, especially if its creators are not here anymore.

I don't know what's ahead for Castlevania, maybe death, maybe new games. LoS saved the series so far, no question about it (don't tell me Pachislot and Japan-only Arcade games
 are the future of CV, seriously).
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 14, 2013, 12:28:51 AM
No, it just means Akumajou Dracula is dead and buried and Konami will probably keep the LoS formula going after LoS2.

If 2D Castlevania is done for, I'm out. It's terrible seeing this franchise becoming so focused on the hack and slash genre, further deviating itself away from it's platforming roots and unique design.

The name Akumajou Dracula will stay. Konami will just slap it on the new LoS formula.

I personally don't want to see the 2D vanias to die.

The future of CV is a big question mark.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 14, 2013, 12:33:36 AM
I REALLY like the blood trail when he dashes.

Speaking of small details, I am a sucker for cloth physics and the way his longcoat would move while he was on the titans arm had me grinning. Also I have a weird thing for moving clouds in games and was relieved that the clouds moved in the background instead of being a static skybox.
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Post by: Little Dracula on June 14, 2013, 01:16:21 AM

I don't know what's ahead for Castlevania, maybe death, maybe new games. LoS saved the series so far, no question about it (don't tell me Pachislot and Japan-only Arcade games
 are the future of CV, seriously).

If Los2 sells well, I think they will try to go that route with other company or internally (I doubt this). LoS saved the series but it could be the the killer too if the coming games don't match LoS sells. Whatever happen in the future, I hope they don't throw Castlevania in the same shit hole they throwed Silent Hill.
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Post by: Flame on June 14, 2013, 01:20:56 AM
Speaking of small details, I am a sucker for cloth physics and the way his longcoat would move while he was on the titans arm had me grinning. Also I have a weird thing for moving clouds in games and was relieved that the clouds moved in the background instead of being a static skybox.
Yeah, the details in this game are looking to be fucking amazing. But then, noone's ever really argued that with the LoS series. Presentation wise, MS does a top notch job. And now that the 360/PS3 tech is old hat by now, they can utilize it to it's fullest extent.

Really, the best looking games of a Console Generation, especially nowadays, tend to come out near the end of the lifespan, once the tech has been around and assimilated for a long while.

I mean, if you compare say, the original Saints Row, for the 360, with the recent Saints Row 3, there' is a world of difference in visual quality, despite being on the same system.
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Post by: crisis on June 14, 2013, 07:06:37 AM
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Kiss!  :)

::kisses her back, looking deeply into your eyes::
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Post by: Pfil on June 14, 2013, 10:28:35 AM
 :)
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 14, 2013, 04:15:09 PM
My bet is:

Konami recently registered the trademark "Contra: Run and Gun".
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/konami-seeking-contra-run-and-gun-trademark-6409503/ (http://www.gamespot.com/e3/konami-seeking-contra-run-and-gun-trademark-6409503/)

The title suggests a "simple" game, stylish smartphone/tablet. In a recent interview is interesting to see how MS chief talk about next project. He uses the word "device", that word struck me, in Spain not usually use that word to talk about consoles (they are called "consoles" or "systems"), that word is used for smartphones and tablets.

If we add this to the known interest of MS and Cox to resurrect the franchise "Contra" ... We could have a resurgence of "Contra" on IOS, Android, Live, Plus (and perhaps portable consoles)?

It seems that Konami is now very interested in "simple" games for iOS and Android devices, also Square/Enix is launching and will launch many new games for these formats.
Nintendo itself commented recently that had arisen launch their games in these formats but so far ruled out because the gaming experience would not be the same (as the 3DS is selling well .... we'll see in the future)

According to statistics over 60% of the gaming market in Japan now is in portable devices (iOS, Android, 3DS, Vita), that is the reason that both Sony and Microsoft do not sell from the beginning their consoles in Japan, not a priority market and Microsft has nothing to do in Japan ... so no battle. The battle is in Europe and USA.

These are just my theories, nothing more.


Edit: In the same interview, MS confirm that his new project has nothing to do with Castlevania, also said that will "cambiar de registro" (I don´t know the expression in English), it will not be a Hack & Slash... another style.
Contra Evolution was released on ipad and it looks amazing.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 14, 2013, 04:30:13 PM
Contra Evolution was released on ipad and it looks amazing.
Amazingly bad.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 14, 2013, 04:55:49 PM
Amazingly ass.

Fixed for %100 accuracy.
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Post by: Koutei on June 14, 2013, 11:55:21 PM
Rely on Horror
E3 2013: Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 gets a horde of new screens
http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/e3-2013-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-gets-a-horde-of-new-screens/ (http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/e3-2013-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-gets-a-horde-of-new-screens/)

http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/gallery/castlevania-los2-e3/carmilla.jpg (http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/gallery/castlevania-los2-e3/carmilla.jpg)
http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/gallery/castlevania-los2-e3/marie.jpg (http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/gallery/castlevania-los2-e3/marie.jpg)
http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/gallery/castlevania-los2-e3/the-dragon-vs-medusa.jpg (http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/gallery/castlevania-los2-e3/the-dragon-vs-medusa.jpg)
http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/gallery/castlevania-los2-e3/trevor.jpg (http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/gallery/castlevania-los2-e3/trevor.jpg)
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 15, 2013, 12:47:22 AM
So, Medusa is that big fire-breathing dragon/thing? Wow, interesting.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 15, 2013, 02:17:29 AM
Hmmm... I like Trevor's lipstick color.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 15, 2013, 03:53:30 AM
LoS2's E3 trailer was ranked #4 by one of France's biggest VG sites (#1, 2 and 3 are FFXV, The Division and MGS5)
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Post by: thernz on June 15, 2013, 03:56:55 AM
i saw the full e3 demo playthrough and my favorite part was
(click to show/hide)

i legitimately liked that a lot. i hope similar stuff happens more.

on the other hand, i have a hard time believing that's trevor besides him sharing similar clothing. it's kinda disappointing that character design in lords is so dominated by these outfit motifs. i don't really understand why gabriel has a heavily modified brotherhood-styled outfit when he absolutely loathes them. it also does make me wonder how linear the story is going to be combined with the open world aspect.

hopefully that means i can stalk zobek in three different timelines.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 15, 2013, 09:10:51 AM
i saw the full e3 demo playthrough and my favorite part was
(click to show/hide)

i legitimately liked that a lot. i hope similar stuff happens more.

on the other hand, i have a hard time believing that's trevor besides him sharing similar clothing. it's kinda disappointing that character design in lords is so dominated by these outfit motifs. i don't really understand why gabriel has a heavily modified brotherhood-styled outfit when he absolutely loathes them. it also does make me wonder how linear the story is going to be combined with the open world aspect.

hopefully that means i can stalk zobek in three different timelines.
The game is non-linear, not open world.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 15, 2013, 09:22:46 AM
Carmilla fights Laura chest with chest:
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Bergaron on June 15, 2013, 09:38:49 AM
No way to Laura, Carmilla have very good reason for win...(let me see, one and two)
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Post by: Inccubus on June 15, 2013, 11:28:01 AM
But all the games you mentioned are 2D games. Platforming in 3D is STILL a difficult thing even without enemies advancing at you because of camera issues. They did it largely the same way in the 64 games, the Devil May Cry games, and God Of War. Comparing platforming in 2d vs 3d is an apples to oranges type of thing. And with games like Contra and Metroid, you have ranged weapons that give you the possibility of being able to fend off these attacks before the enemies get too close. Castlevania 4 allowed you to use subweapons while hooked on to rings, but LoS doesn't allow that, which leaves you completely defenseless while clinging to a ledge (which, imo is as it should be.)

Super Mario 64 would like a word. Anyway, like Maedhros said, there's no reason for them to completely segregate platforming and combat.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 15, 2013, 12:56:20 PM
Carmilla is pretty hot. Where's succubus?
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Post by: Inccubus on June 15, 2013, 01:05:23 PM
That is a damn good question, sir. I bet in LoS she'd be positively pornographic. ;)
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 15, 2013, 02:09:26 PM
Carmilla is pretty hot. Where's succubus?

You've got her a la GoW in MoF.

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I bet in LoS she'd be positively pornographic. ;)

You bet she was!! ;)
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Post by: Pfil on June 15, 2013, 03:03:56 PM
You have Succubus in DmC, technically speaking, though if you expect her to be sexy you are in for a disappointment.
You better go for Kat  ;)
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Post by: Flame on June 15, 2013, 06:38:07 PM
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i don't really understand why gabriel has a heavily modified brotherhood-styled outfit when he absolutely loathes them
Well to be fair, Only higher ranking Brotherhood knights seemed to have those kind of "different" more elaborate outfits... the rest, the rank and file, look like generic knights, even in LoS1. So his outfit is probably custom made.

Notice, by the way, that the same goes for Cornell. Cornell's clothes below his waist, are essentially what's left of his brotherhood outfit. It's more a stylistic art choice, to show the difference, to show how the character has fallen. You see Brotherhood Cornell, then Lord of Shadow Cornell, and you see the difference, comparing them by what remains similar. Same for Gabe. His Dracula getup is based on his Brotherhood outfit, so you can compare it to his look in LoS.
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Post by: crisis on June 15, 2013, 06:55:28 PM
Prunyuu. I like Dracula's new get-up; it shows how brutal he's become yet still retains some form of sophistication. His "modern era" outfit, or lack thereof, is also interesting as it shows how Dracula has been worn out throughout the centuries. I'm guessing that perhaps he'll retain his younger look as he drinks peoples blood throughout the city. Kim Kardashian has given birth to a healthy baby girl, and Kanye is very happy about that.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on June 15, 2013, 07:21:04 PM
Seriously, what is up with Alucard's abs? Its like an unnecessary Vampire anatomy. Save it for the newborn Vampires such as muscular, yet bony ribs of Olrox and Brauner and the vampire warriors. Alucard doesn't need that!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130607105709%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe7%2FAlucard.png&hash=3a57244f8d6a6f15a75b0d21886f8570)



One thing i would really like is Alt. Costumes since there will be two models of Dracula in LoS2 (Old Shadow and Dracul) Might as well have some classic Bela Lugosi or SotN classic Dracula and various other unlockables... Seriously! That's what LoS series lacks! Replay Value! Give me some boss rush mode, give me some soundtrack mode or alternate characters. I don't care much for the item capacity upgrades unless it's Metroid... Samus, y'know ;)
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Post by: Maedhros on June 15, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
You've got her a la GoW in MoF.

You bet she was!! ;)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130427225927%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fec%2FSuccubus.png&hash=e94bbb05096065283d90b41e911f856b)

Blehhhh...

Seriously, where's succubus? She's probably the worst succubus ever.
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Post by: Dominus on June 15, 2013, 08:09:08 PM
She looks kinda like classic Carmilla. Tbh I like it.
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Post by: Gecko on June 15, 2013, 08:48:09 PM
Seriously, what is up with Alucard's abs? Its like an unnecessary Vampire anatomy. Save it for the newborn Vampires such as muscular, yet bony ribs of Olrox and Brauner and the vampire warriors. Alucard doesn't need that!

Well he's only ever (to our knowledge) feasted on the blood of monsters, so he looks more like a monster rather than like Trevor. If he were to drain human blood, he would look more like he did as a human.

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One thing i would really like is Alt. Costumes since there will be two models of Dracula in LoS2 (Old Shadow and Dracul) Might as well have some classic Bela Lugosi or SotN classic Dracula and various other unlockables... Seriously!
Heh that'd be cool, actually.

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That's what LoS series lacks! Replay Value! Give me some boss rush mode, give me some soundtrack mode or alternate characters. I don't care much for the item capacity upgrades unless it's Metroid... Samus, y'know ;)

I agree that LoS series needs the things you've mentioned. MoF would have been much more awesome if it had bonus unlockables like that. The bosses were probably my favorite parts of the game, but they didn't make a boss rush mode.  >:(

I'd say the first LoS has a lot of replay value still though. It has multiple difficulty settings to play through, a trial system (which I REALLY like), and upgrade items like you mentioned. I found myself replaying levels for these reasons, as well as the fact that I just really enjoyed some of the levels enough to want to play them again and see if I can find anything new. My goal is still to get 110% for the entire game, DLC included. I've still got a ways to go. Granted, I lost all my save data at one point, but still.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 15, 2013, 09:01:43 PM


I'd say the first LoS has a lot of replay value still though. It has multiple difficulty settings to play through, a trial system (which I REALLY like), and upgrade items like you mentioned.

meh  :-\

Don't know about anybody else, but I myself would not call that much of a replay value if you ask me.

Mutltiple Difficulty settings?

That hardly compares to new and interesting costumes.

Upgradable items?

Well I would say that getting a few new abilities along with your new costume would be MUCH better.


This all brings me to the conclusion that LOS would be a lot better if it adopted a kind of replay value that DMC3 for example had.

It offered many new costumes and some of which (Nelo Angelo form for instance) offered new attacks.

Also a Bloody Palace mode which in my opinion tops any Boss Rush mode.

LOS could benefit more from this kind of mentality when it comes to replay value rather than simple difficulty settings changes and or eyepatches and bandanas for costumes *glares at LOS1*.

Regarding LOS2 in that respect, I don't expect to see much in unlockables.

Especially don't see a "Alucard mode" as a unlockable as well although it would be truly great if there where.

But I would expect MS to do a paid DLC for Alucard rather than a unlockable, if not then I would have to say they are pretty dumb for not including a fan favorite (rebooted or not) such as Alucard as a playable character, especially since there is already sword combat and vampire inspired powers in the game.
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Post by: Flame on June 15, 2013, 11:13:23 PM
I'd like at least the option to unlock old decrepit Gabe as an alt.

LoS1 had the snake eyepatch and bandanna, (hilarious shit)

Maybe there will be something small here too.
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Post by: Bergaron on June 15, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
Seriously, what is up with Alucard's abs? Its like an unnecessary Vampire anatomy. Save it for the newborn Vampires such as muscular, yet bony ribs of Olrox and Brauner and the vampire warriors. Alucard doesn't need that!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130607105709%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe7%2FAlucard.png&hash=3a57244f8d6a6f15a75b0d21886f8570)



One thing i would really like is Alt. Costumes since there will be two models of Dracula in LoS2 (Old Shadow and Dracul) Might as well have some classic Bela Lugosi or SotN classic Dracula and various other unlockables... Seriously! That's what LoS series lacks! Replay Value! Give me some boss rush mode, give me some soundtrack mode or alternate characters. I don't care much for the item capacity upgrades unless it's Metroid... Samus, y'know ;)

I remember that Trevor died with something piercing his stomach .. maybe from there that aspect of his abs
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Post by: Pfil on June 16, 2013, 01:12:02 AM
3 things about recent posts...

1 - I prefer Carmilla from CotM, she was waaaay hotter.
2 - Alucard's abs are very, very hot too.
3 - Unlockables in LoS 1 seemed lame to me. I don't care about MGS, I think we need Castlevania related unlockables.
Like an alternate Laura mode in LoS 1, or like someone mentioned, old Gabriel in LoS 2 would be really nice.

That's all  :)
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 16, 2013, 03:08:47 AM
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Blehhhh...

Seriously, where's succubus? She's probably the worst succubus ever.

I was sarcastic, because, i agree with you and second, i don't thing that we are going to see any succubus on LoS 2.
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Post by: Rugal on June 16, 2013, 02:47:10 PM
"Alucard's" hair looks like cement.
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Post by: Bergaron on June 16, 2013, 03:35:32 PM
"Alucard's" hair looks like cement.

Overall LOS2 lose with LOS1 in the details of the main character, and explained that by redesigning the engine and be able to use free 3D camera (with rich and beautiful scenarios) and keep the framerate high, were losing in the character detail, particularly in the hair, but also see it in the face.

You can not have everything and I feel good, are details and I prefer to see magnificent scenery because 90% of the time the character is back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on June 16, 2013, 04:11:04 PM
I've heard reports that the Konami booth was hard to get to by certain people, so you don't see much news about it.

Also, the people that played the demo experienced low framerates, jaggies and low res muddy texures. However, the PC version  was also on the show floor and those who played it said compared to the console versions, it was like night and day. Hi res textures, smooth stable framerate and no jaggies were present, someone asked if there's a next gen version in the works and a Konami rep said "Nothing has been announced yet." So unless a PS4 version of the game gets announced, it looks like the PC version is gonna be the way to go if you're gettin Lords of Shadow 2.

Oh and the PC version of LOS1 was also on the show floor but no one seems to have video of that, it reportedly runs really well at 60 fps.

Edit: To clarify, when I meant console version, I specifically meant the 360 version that appears to be ugly, the PS3 version runs a bit better but not nearly as good as the PC version shown.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 16, 2013, 11:35:10 PM
Yes, in an interview at E3 (video) Enric Alvarez (MS boss) tells about the different versions. At first talks about how the PC version will be better, then try to fix it saying that basically all the same, which are small differences.

http://www.meristation.com/video/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/1874484 (http://www.meristation.com/video/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/1874484)

I'm not much believed into a 360 could look like this at 60 fps, it seemed impossible. I bought LOS1 on PS3 because review I saw that 360 had many more problems (memory issues I guess, I do not know).

Anyway I already had planned to buy the PC version. Better graphics, better FPS, I can use the Xbox controller, possible Mod option and so Steam was not I have to worry if I break a console and I can not play my games.

Anyway there are still six months and have plans to release a first demo in a short time according to Cox.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on June 16, 2013, 11:39:59 PM

Mutltiple Difficulty settings?

That hardly compares to new and interesting costumes.


Uh... I dunno about this. I mean, sure, the LoS games aren't that interesting on multiple difficulty levels because hardly anything is done with them outside of cranking up enemy damage output, and every once in a great while an enemy will have a new attack.

But when done right, more difficulty levels can be goddamn amazing. Bayonetta is a great example, as harder difficulties nearly make it into a completely different game. Enemies are much faster, more aggressive, come in *GASP* different waves, and you have to learn how to dodge and counterattack or die, basically. And this isn't taking into account the Infinity Climax mode, where one ability that saves your ass routinely is taken away, again making you rethink your priorities.

Portrait of Ruin and Order of Ecclesia sort of got this right. They still suffer (PoR mostly) from enemies being ridiculous damage sponges, but it was a good step in games that mostly lack for interesting level design. I still think Lament of Innocence did this best with the Crazy mode, as the absence of level-ups meant you could do things in your own order and speed, but the challenge was always there.

The harder modes in the first two LoS games are totally lackluster by comparison. I really hope they rectify this, or some lovely gent rearranges enemies with a PC mod or something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 17, 2013, 12:15:30 AM
alternate costumes do not make replay value imo. they are fun, but not necessary to add replay. games like older castlevanias or megaman have replay because they are just good games. its a combination of elements really. and I feel if they play it right, the open world aspect could very well prove to add lots of replay.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 17, 2013, 01:16:02 AM
alternate costumes do not make replay value imo. they are fun, but not necessary to add replay. games like older castlevanias or megaman have replay because they are just good games. its a combination of elements really. and I feel if they play it right, the open world aspect could very well prove to add lots of replay.

Do not trust in the "open world",  will be a Tomb Raider 2013 style "open world" not like Skyrim. To me that is not exactly an "open world". Dave Cox said, here will be some open world exploration but more importantly will remain combat.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on June 17, 2013, 03:54:44 AM
Uh... I dunno about this. I mean, sure, the LoS games aren't that interesting on multiple difficulty levels because hardly anything is done with them outside of cranking up enemy damage output, and every once in a great while an enemy will have a new attack.

But when done right, more difficulty levels can be goddamn amazing. Bayonetta is a great example, as harder difficulties nearly make it into a completely different game. Enemies are much faster, more aggressive, come in *GASP* different waves, and you have to learn how to dodge and counterattack or die, basically. And this isn't taking into account the Infinity Climax mode, where one ability that saves your ass routinely is taken away, again making you rethink your priorities.

Portrait of Ruin and Order of Ecclesia sort of got this right. They still suffer (PoR mostly) from enemies being ridiculous damage sponges, but it was a good step in games that mostly lack for interesting level design. I still think Lament of Innocence did this best with the Crazy mode, as the absence of level-ups meant you could do things in your own order and speed, but the challenge was always there.

The harder modes in the first two LoS games are totally lackluster by comparison. I really hope they rectify this, or some lovely gent rearranges enemies with a PC mod or something.

alternate costumes do not make replay value imo. they are fun, but not necessary to add replay. games like older castlevanias or megaman have replay because they are just good games. its a combination of elements really. and I feel if they play it right, the open world aspect could very well prove to add lots of replay.

It all depends on how these features are executed. For me new costumes that are merely skins and difficulty settings that raise damage output are both super boring and pointless. Especially for someone like me that hasn't got countless hours to spend playing the same adventure over and over.

The best example of how to do difficulty settings right is going to be in the new Super Mario Bros. Crossover 3.0. They actually change the structure of the stages! Easy has less pits, easier jumps, more platforms. Normal is, well, normal. Hard has more pits, harder jumps, less power ups. That there makes me want to play the different difficulty modes. I know something like that would be harder in a big 3D game, but I'm sure they could think of something similar.

And alternate costumes are great if they give you some different abilities, but having completely different characters to play as is even better! Again, SMBC get's it down pat with a ton of characters AND skins that sometimes slightly, sometimes drastically alter a character's base game play.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on June 17, 2013, 07:56:46 AM
Do not trust in the "open world",  will be a Tomb Raider 2013 style "open world" not like Skyrim. To me that is not exactly an "open world". Dave Cox said, here will be some open world exploration but more importantly will remain combat.
I think he never said open world, dunno, but non-linear. Like Tomb Raider. I hope it's like Dark Souls, where you can explore in any order you want.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on June 17, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
Can't wait for the mods.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on June 17, 2013, 11:27:37 AM
In the interview, Dave Cox cox said that the game will take place 60% in the castle and 40% in the city. Expect LoI/CoD for Castle exploration and Arkham series for the city when it comes down to exploration. I would prefer this as a "non-linear" rather than "open world". Open world to me means huge outdoor lands and day and night cycles like Skyrim, Fallout series and the new MGS5. The game taking place in one night wouldn't really consist of huge exploration even regardless of day and night/weather cycles. Under realistic assumption, expect the game to be big, but not "vast".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on June 17, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
In an E3 video he said it would take place mostly in the city... Typical Cox.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on June 17, 2013, 12:05:52 PM
I wonder if everyone in the city will still be midgets like every person who wasn't Gabriel in LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on June 17, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
In an E3 video he said it would take place mostly in the city... Typical Cox.
I didn't heard the term "mostly"... link pls?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 17, 2013, 12:55:42 PM
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The game taking place in one night wouldn't really consist of huge exploration even regardless of day and night/weather cycles.

well don't most Castlevania games take place in 1 night anyway..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on June 17, 2013, 12:59:39 PM
I didn't heard the term "mostly"... link pls?

I watched way too many E3 videos to be able to tell you. Sorry. I know I watched the GameTrailers feed if that helps. But I saw many other individual interviews for tons of games as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 17, 2013, 01:11:05 PM
That one scene from the trailer where that skull faced monster thing, (who kind of looks like those white wraith things from Darksiders)catches his sword and tosses him, I dunno, but that looks like it might be in the modern setting. Something about the background.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on June 17, 2013, 01:30:59 PM
well don't most Castlevania games take place in 1 night anyway..

I think OoE took place over days, but that's the exception along with Simon's Quest, uguu
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on June 17, 2013, 01:46:42 PM
We get a few secons of what the modern city looks like in the E3 trailer, it looks like Dracula's castle but with skyscrapers. So it looks like the city itself IS the castle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 18, 2013, 12:45:35 AM
Possible LOS2 release date, the majority of potential dates that you see in stores and magazines are from the last week of October. 22/11/2013 - 30/11/2013

5 months yet ...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 18, 2013, 02:45:57 AM
We get a few secons of what the modern city looks like in the E3 trailer, it looks like Dracula's castle but with skyscrapers. So it looks like the city itself IS the castle.

Something kind of like that. If I am not mistaken, they made a unique city with the seamless transition from castle to city.

Possible LOS2 release date, the majority of potential dates that you see in stores and magazines are from the last week of October. 22/11/2013 - 30/11/2013

5 months yet ...

Not counting the possible delay. ehehehe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DoctaMario on June 18, 2013, 02:49:32 PM
I think OoE took place over days, but that's the exception along with Simon's Quest, uguu

The 64 games as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on June 18, 2013, 05:13:35 PM
Dracula Inc.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami-castlevania.com%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fcastlevania%2Fimgs%2Flos2_art.png&hash=c6b77a01c9ec44c4620ae0c57be9dc1d)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 19, 2013, 01:44:07 AM
Interesting...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 19, 2013, 01:48:16 AM
Seeing that image, the first thing that came in my mind, was blade.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on June 19, 2013, 10:48:58 AM
Well at least we can see sort of what they say when the city will retain a castlevania feel. That interir definitely looks CVish, but with a slight modern twist of the globe on the floor. Looks like some evil exec's office lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on June 19, 2013, 11:11:48 AM
More like Satan Inc. I believe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on June 19, 2013, 11:32:14 AM
Looks pretty stupid and out of place, even when just taking the LoSverse into account.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 19, 2013, 11:32:31 AM
More like Satan Inc. I believe.
Reminds me of the movie "The Devil's Advocate".

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on June 19, 2013, 12:17:17 PM
More like Satan Inc. I believe.

Yeah, I thought about that later on but as in classic timeline, imagine fighting Dracula in his throne room on this being the top floor. Julius Belmont fights Dracula in Arikado's business suit by Raymonds, of course. Whether it be Dracula Inc. or Satan Corporation, I never imagined throne fight in a modern day setting like this unlike AoS in which Dracula remained oldschool with Virgin Mary's bloody tears for decoration... but that's just Graham Jones being an Evil Christian Missionary. Dracula always followed new fashion trends (See CoD Nobleman's Robe to SotN Victorian Nobleman's Tunic and Leggings with Cape). Once again, i've gotta give it to MS because I never thought of a modern day throne room. Props!

Looks pretty stupid and out of place, even when just taking the LoSverse into account.

Time for a typical LoS fan counter-arguement:

"CASTLEVANIA NEEDED CHANGE!" "Don't be so closed minded!" 'Give it a chance!"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on June 19, 2013, 01:04:14 PM
I agree, the statue of the angel with a sword aiming towards the world has to be Satan.
Likely it's the "headquarters" his acolytes prepared for his return, where he would sit when he takes over the world.

I think it's brilliant and fits perfectly.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on June 19, 2013, 01:24:22 PM
I'm going to laugh if Satan appears in a business suit and acts like a stereotypical evil company executive.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: flyingchai on June 19, 2013, 01:32:14 PM
I'm going to laugh if Satan appears in a business suit and acts like a stereotypical evil company executive.

Well Zobek is already dressed up in a suit, so....I think that would make more sense than to arrive naked with a black mist surrounding his lower parts again.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 19, 2013, 01:50:18 PM
Well Zobek is already dressed up in a suit, so....I think that would make more sense than to arrive naked with a black mist surrounding his lower parts again.

you now what.......that makes sense actually. :-\

The chances of it are highly likely if you ask me.

If Zobek aka "Death" gets to have a new modern business look than I think Satan will definitely have one.

After all, can't really imagine him in the modern setting naked...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on June 19, 2013, 01:52:32 PM
Yeah I think that's Satans throne/office room.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on June 19, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
this room is on the e3 trailer, my opinion... is zobek office and transport Dracula to... ???? another pleace or dimension..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on June 19, 2013, 02:09:09 PM
this room is on the e3 trailer, my opinion... is zobek office and transport Dracula to... ???? another pleace or dimension..

That's not the same room...the teleporation room is definitely a modern one, but it's not the same. The one in the trailer has a pyramid in the center...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on June 19, 2013, 02:23:21 PM
CVDungeon never watched The Devil's Advocate? Al Pacino played Satan in a business suit (in which he also had a "throne"/office, complete with details similar to that artwork)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled-2_zps67a4f71c.png&hash=ce170f604e0a8d66be1ccedfed629f95)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled2_zps3efb64d2.png&hash=a26bb44dc83d799ff8a6e3163db22051)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 19, 2013, 02:46:52 PM
Dracula Inc.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami-castlevania.com%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fcastlevania%2Fimgs%2Flos2_art.png&hash=c6b77a01c9ec44c4620ae0c57be9dc1d)
That looks badass..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on June 19, 2013, 04:34:37 PM
I agree with Naggermo that it looks kind of ridiculous. It would work very well if the game was trying to be very tongue-in-cheek, but it wants to be dead serious so instead it comes off as even more unintentionally comical.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 19, 2013, 06:02:37 PM
I agree with Naggermo that it looks kind of ridiculous. It would work very well if the game was trying to be very tongue-in-cheek, but it wants to be dead serious so instead it comes off as even more unintentionally comical.
It actually looks very Shin Megami Tensei/Persona-esque.
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Post by: Thy Gory Rory on June 19, 2013, 08:50:33 PM
Looks very ominous and regal. I'll take it!
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Post by: thernz on June 19, 2013, 11:09:57 PM
Well Zobek is already dressed up in a suit, so....I think that would make more sense than to arrive naked with a black mist surrounding his lower parts again.
idk im not sure it made any more sense for satan to appear that way in the 11th century (admittedly he just rose from hell) and im not sure satan would care about human customs

here i am in support of satan dong mist
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on June 20, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
idk im not sure it made any more sense for satan to appear that way in the 11th century (admittedly he just rose from hell) and im not sure satan would care about human customs

here i am in support of satan dong mist
Satan was kinda hot  :-[
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on June 20, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
In game he looked like he was ripped out of a PS2 era game. I really dug his artwork though, I hope he looks better in LOS2.

And yes I also hope he wears a suit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on June 20, 2013, 01:12:12 PM
In game he looked like he was ripped out of a PS2 era game.

Lol, I'll say. That model was not HD looking at all. But the mists made up for it. I suppose clothing does make make a difference.

On the other hand, it kind of broke my heart to see MGS5 trailer after watching Castlevania's E3 trailer. While MGS5's presentation was some next level shit, Castlevania didn't seem so attractive after that. LoS had some epic presentations and trailers in the first game and the CGI trailer for LoS2 was just breathtaking. But this year's trailer just got shunned for me after I witnessed the new MGS5 trailer. I wonder if the "open world" system of LoS would even be compared to MGS's. One city over dozen countries/bases in MGS5. Of course one might say why am I comparing Castlevania to MGS, and I can understand that it is apples and oranges here. But they are both from the same company and I'm not going to start off with the budgets. But in some inteview with Dave Cox, he said that they made several brutal finishers with Dracula in the game but the superiors told them to tone it down a bit. Now I don't know what level of violence are we talking about here, but the "red band" trailer of Phantom Pain showed all kinds of messed up things with prison torture and removing a bomb by slicing a stomach open and searching it through their intestines without proper surgical techniques and painkillers. Kojima openly said creativity over sales and he is using real life themes as a controvercial act. But Cox? "Lets tone down some shit for a Vampire themed game" LoS2 is more glowy than it is bloody. But with all that aside, I hope that someday castlevania can go Kaioken x10 like MGS5 has... seriously. LoS has had some positive changes in the series and it needed that in my honest opinion, but it has been disappointing and flawed at the same time. I hope the next developers who hold the grail will go hard and successful after LoS saga, that is if LoS2 gets well reception and sales.
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Post by: Munchy on June 20, 2013, 06:32:20 PM
If Zobek aka "Death" gets to have a new modern business look than I think Satan will definitely have one.

Satan I can understand having some kind of business set up. "Money is the root of all evil", etc etc. But Zobek... I dunno.

"So it says here on your letter of recommendation that... you made your last co worker kill his wife while he was asleep."

"Yep."

"..."

The whole business thing is pretty cheese, but hey, it's their last game in an alternate timeline. I'm fine with them getting as dopey or eccentric as they want.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 20, 2013, 09:46:52 PM
In game he looked like he was ripped out of a PS2 era game. I really dug his artwork though, I hope he looks better in LOS2.

And yes I also hope he wears a suit.
I'd love to see Satan transform into some final form, massive horned demon, and Dracula transform into a dragon and the two battle it out.  ;D
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 21, 2013, 12:45:11 AM
I'd love to see Satan transform into some final form, massive horned demon, and Dracula transform into a dragon and the two battle it out.  ;D

HA! That would be one epic battle that would never happen in the game.  ;)
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Post by: Bergaron on June 21, 2013, 01:03:29 AM
http://uk.gamespot.com/features/a-better-castlevania-for-all-lords-of-shadow-2-6410452/ (http://uk.gamespot.com/features/a-better-castlevania-for-all-lords-of-shadow-2-6410452/)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 21, 2013, 05:23:22 AM
Interesting interview.

Now i'm wondering what the surprises would be...
more recycled lines from other CV games?

The final question of the interview, could MS be really in charge of Contra?
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Post by: Munchy on June 21, 2013, 04:14:47 PM
The final question of the interview, could MS be really in charge of Contra?

please no

I mean I like the LoS games so far, but I don't want a gritty grimdark Contra with sub 25 FPS and QTEs.

...Oh who am I kidding? I'll buy it no matter who makes it.
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Post by: crisis on June 21, 2013, 05:48:58 PM
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I mean I like the LoS games so far, but I don't want a gritty grimdark Contra with sub 25 FPS and QTEs.

It'll prolly just be a Gears of War clone..
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Post by: DoctaMario on June 23, 2013, 01:07:50 AM
You're being nominated for an award, whether you like it or not  >:(

Can I assume it's a bad award based on the emoticon there? xD

I have listed at least 6 games that does 3D platforming right. Real 3D platforming, as in skill based, where you start from the beginning if you fuck up, where need to go up again if you fall. There are LOTS of ways to do 3D platforming besides the shit we see here in LoS and other modern games.

It IS possible to do combat while doing this modern climbing... God of War does this since the first game. And considering in LoS you have aerial combat, the game could have real platforming if they actually tried a different approach. But they choose to not have platforming on it (in LoS 1).

I don't think I've ever played a 3d game with platforming as good as 2d. And I'm not talking about fighting while shimmying or climbing, I'm talking about having Medusa heads coming at you while trying to platform and stuff like that. Fighting while climbing isn't a big dral. It's like a gimped version of standard fighting.

I'll admit LoS1's platforming is a bit gimped but again, 3d hasn't ever really been a great medium for platforming IMO. So I'm okay with it.

Super Mario 64 would like a word. Anyway, like Maedhros said, there's no reason for them to completely segregate platforming and combat.
Ill have to play it again. I wasn't amazed by it last time I did.

Again, I've never played a 3d game with platforming as good as 2d. So while I'd like to see a mix, I understand why they don't do it all that often.
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Post by: Rugal on June 23, 2013, 06:47:44 AM
This game is going to be another God of War clone.

The only reason for me to be excited for this game is because Cocks said he is done with Castlevania after this. Things can only get better once they give the franchise back to IGA.
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Post by: Flame on June 23, 2013, 08:44:00 AM
Things can only get better once they give the franchise back to IGA.
HA!
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 23, 2013, 08:45:23 AM
Things can only get better once they give the franchise back to IGA.
I'm so laughing at this, but future will tell.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 23, 2013, 09:03:08 AM
Well ya can't really knock the guy for being optimistic, even if wishing for IGA's return is unlikely.
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Post by: Rugal on June 23, 2013, 09:42:26 AM
Say what you want about IGA, but at least he knows what a Castlevania game is. Really can't say the same at all for Cocks other than him taking names from previous games and just pasting them onto random characters. Also Ape Simon Belmont. I actually can't wait  for LoS 2 to come out. If they don't give Castlevania to IGA, they should give it to Platinum games.

Hell, give ME the rights to Castlevania. I'd be able to direct a Castlevania game that would blow your minds. All of you.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 23, 2013, 09:51:46 AM
Can I assume it's a bad award based on the emoticon there? xD

I don't think I've ever played a 3d game with platforming as good as 2d. And I'm not talking about fighting while shimmying or climbing, I'm talking about having Medusa heads coming at you while trying to platform and stuff like that. Fighting while climbing isn't a big dral. It's like a gimped version of standard fighting.

I'll admit LoS1's platforming is a bit gimped but again, 3d hasn't ever really been a great medium for platforming IMO. So I'm okay with it.
Ill have to play it again. I wasn't amazed by it last time I did.

Again, I've never played a 3d game with platforming as good as 2d. So while I'd like to see a mix, I understand why they don't do it all that often.
I agree to some extent, 3D platforming hasn't been done right in it's entirety. Some games have great ideas, but none incorporate all of them and innovate them into something better. I really think it's something developers should focus on more. It's like scientist working on a cure for Cancer or AIDs then after making some interesting steps forward, just dropping it to do other stuff. If it's going to benefit mankind, just keep on GOING. Same with this, I can only believe a perfected form of 3D platforming would benefit gaming as a whole. You just need the right programmers able to "fight the good fight" and work at it until it's finally accomplished. It has to be someone willing to say, "No, I'm not going to give up until I reach my goal in perfecting it. I'm not going to say, 'Okay, let's just use a tweaked God of War or Mario 64 platform system.'. Just do it until it's DONE!".

I mean, not all great experiences of gaming became that way fromt he advent of video games. Little by little, all genres were being innovated, fat was trimmed and the cream of the crop was made BETTER. That's because a lot of designers and programmers searched for ways to make the gaming experience more fun. Truly, if there was any genre that deserved that dedication, 3D platformers are.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 23, 2013, 10:05:10 AM
Pretty much all the Super Mario games (64, Sunshine, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, 3DLand) have topnotch 3D platforming.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 23, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
Well ya can't really knock the guy for being optimistic, even if wishing for IGA's return is unlikely.

Hmmm, want to bet?  :)

+/- 100 respect points for who wins or loses.
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Post by: shelverton. on June 23, 2013, 10:51:37 AM
I would be very surprised if IGA comes back. And even if Konami asked him, how can you be so sure IGA even wants to come back? Maybe he's working on an original game of his own right now? I bet that would be more exciting for him than make another Castlevania which is more like a torch that's being passed on, or so they say.

My guess is that the next Castlevania will come from another pitch. Best prototype wins. I hope From Software, WayForward or Platinum gets a shot at it. Or even CD Projekt. Or Armature! That would be pretty cool. But it's probably gonna be someone we've never heard of before.

But who knows? Maybe now that Castlevania is back in the mainstream spotlight again (debatable, I know...), Konami will want to see another IGAvania, portable for sure. The portable IGAvanias were always well recieved by critics. The only thing they failed to do was sell a lot of copies. Then again, so did Mirror of Fate.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 23, 2013, 10:59:45 AM
Hmmm, want to bet?  :)

+/- 100 respect points for who wins or loses.

You're on! Easiest +100 ever.

As for the rules, an iOS game doesn't count, it has to be either a 3DS game or a PS4, XBone, PC and/or Wii U Castlevania game produced by IGA (also no current gen/last gen console included so PS3 and 360 are out). If the next developer is not IGA, I get +100 rp, bonus +100 more if it's a western developer.
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Post by: Rugal on June 23, 2013, 11:05:33 AM
From Software

How can I forget them? As is stands for me, Demon's/Dark Souls are true successors to Castlevania.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 23, 2013, 11:09:13 AM
IGA is done with Castlevania since OoE came out. I don't see him coming back (as he's happy with his iOS games).
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Post by: shelverton. on June 23, 2013, 11:22:00 AM
How can I forget them? As is stands for me, Demon's/Dark Souls are true successors to Castlevania.

I know, they're pretty damn sweet. It's funny how little they would need to change in Dark Souls for it to be a really awesome Castlevania game. The environments and settings are already there, so is the intricate level design with a touch of metroidvania. Some of the enemies are spot-on too. And I really like the pace, which is different from every other modern action game and not TOO far from the pace in the NES games. Slow, methodical, strategic and difficult.

The soul collecting would have to be replaced by something else, and all the different character classes could be replaced by one Belmont warrior with a whip. Finally, replacing a few of the bosses and enemies with classic Castlevania monsters and you have a ridiculously awesome Castlevania right there.

So yeah, From Software all the way.
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Post by: uzo on June 23, 2013, 12:39:43 PM
As far as the prospect of IGA coming back after this one, I enjoyed Order of Ecclesia more than Lords of Shadow and Mirror of Fate both. I'd be happy with his return.

Order of Ecclesia showed he was improving a lot and bringing back some aspects the fans want. He really just needs a bigger budget I think. He's really limited because Konami gives them nothing to develop on.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 23, 2013, 01:28:58 PM
From Software

Damn, you're making me wanna go play Lost Kingdoms for Gamecube now. :D
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Post by: Kingshango on June 23, 2013, 03:45:17 PM
Before From ever makes a Castlevania game, first they must provide a successor to Otogi and the localization and/or HD remake of Metal Wolf Chaos.
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Post by: Flame on June 23, 2013, 04:21:46 PM
I'm not sure I'd want IGA back. I enjoyed most of his CV games, but even with a bigger budget, I feel he would just fall back into his bad habits. And quite frankly, I'm tired of 2D metroidvanias. I WOULD possibly be interested in seeing him try more classicvanias however. The Adventure Rebirth was interesting and well done. And if he were up to doing a proper 3D metroidvania, I could concede that. (Although it's not like others couldn't possibly make metroidvanias too. I suppose how LoS2's open world works will be interesting.)

Another reason I'm kind of tired of IGA is just this blind fanaticism towards him sometimes. Usually from people who dislike, (or outright hate) the LoS games, while disregarding his own faults. yes, budgets were often a big issue for him. but not all of his faults are just budget related. A lot are just his own bad development habits.

Also, I think he's just run his course, quite simply. He had a pretty damn long run, but it's time for others to enter the franchise and make games. I wouldn't want him being Mr Castlevania forever.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 23, 2013, 04:24:51 PM
I don't mind IGA coming back at all. But I want to see someone else giving the series a go too. IGA isn't the only one who can do games in the older cronology...
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Post by: Dremn on June 23, 2013, 04:29:36 PM
Konami probably won't touch Castlevania for awhile after LoS2 or they'll outsource it to someone else and Vania will become the new Silent Hill. Then Konami will only have MGS left.
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Post by: crisis on June 23, 2013, 04:33:27 PM
If IGA came back, the only games I'd like to see him make are: Dracula's Curse remake in the style of DXC [which he admitted he'd love to do], ReBirth 2: Belmont's Revenge, and of course, 1999. Should any other game take place in the classic timeline, preferably during the period between LoI and CVIII, then I think other studios should tackle those stories.


Oh yeah, and I guess an 1897 game produced by IGA could be cool, too.
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Post by: Munchy on June 23, 2013, 06:41:35 PM
Vania will become the new Silent Hill.

Oh God noooooooooooooooooooo!

It's weird how Contra has had pretty good luck with outsourcing. Not really with sales, but the games have actually been really good. And as iffy as I am still about LoS, it could have been worse.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 23, 2013, 07:11:46 PM
If IGA came back, the only games I'd like to see him make are: Dracula's Curse remake in the style of DXC [which he admitted he'd love to do], ReBirth 2: Belmont's Revenge, and of course, 1999. Should any other game take place in the classic timeline, preferably during the period between LoI and CVIII, then I think other studios should tackle those stories.


Oh yeah, and I guess an 1897 game produced by IGA could be cool, too.

Pretty much all of this ^^^

I don't want IGA to come back for good, just to give us some of the games he has been hinting at for soooooooo long such as the CV3 remake and the Battle of 1999 game.


After that it should be handed to a studio who will do the series justice and remember what it established should they decide to go back to and do a game in the original canon such as for example the time period between Lament of Innocence and CV3 and the Bram Stoker inspired castlevania game staring Quincy Morris.
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Post by: uzo on June 23, 2013, 07:24:00 PM
I agree. He should come back and at least give us 1999's game. That's the only game I absolutely want out of him. After that he can pass the torch on. I just want some closure on it all.

Then we can reboot again, using similar characters in a more Castlevania staple universe than LoS. Hell starts with the basics.

Have a Dracula, a castle, and a Simon. No Belmont turned Dracula, just a Dracula. Hell you don't even have to explain him. He is who he is. Player uses a whip, has some sub weapons. 2D, 3D, whatever. Just something more akin to the original feeling.
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Post by: Kingshango on June 23, 2013, 09:08:59 PM
The next Castlevania reboot should be an origin story of Galamoth and his rise as the king of the netherworld. Then plans to invade and take over the world by defeating the most powerful being there, Dracula.
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Post by: Flame on June 23, 2013, 11:30:39 PM
What if they did another reboot, but try and go back to the classic staple of not being much to the story? I know that's unlikely in today's gaming market where everything has to be a cinematic experience, but it would be nice. Like, classic, conanesque (or not, doesnt matter) Belmont, Vs Dracula who stole his girl, and just go along from there up until modern day again. Screw 100 year cycles and chaos plots, just resurrect him as needed. he's Dracula, always has been, maybe even tie him to THE Vlad Dracula. like, he's legit the real guy. (or, well, was) I can imagine this working. Imagine something like CV1 with next gen tech. With a ripe Gothic atmosphere, which i have to admit, LoS never quite delivered for me. The Land of vampires was cool and oozed Castlevania feel, but the castle itself was mainly icy ruins. the highlight of the area was the approach to the sewer tunnels, with the castle in the background.
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Post by: uzo on June 23, 2013, 11:51:28 PM
Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. Just something basic, with more attention to the atmosphere and gameplay.

Oh right, we can have good music back again too.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 24, 2013, 01:30:27 AM
What if they did another reboot, but try and go back to the classic staple of not being much to the story? I know that's unlikely in today's gaming market where everything has to be a cinematic experience, but it would be nice. Like, classic, conanesque (or not, doesnt matter) Belmont, Vs Dracula who stole his girl, and just go along from there up until modern day again. Screw 100 year cycles and chaos plots, just resurrect him as needed. he's Dracula, always has been, maybe even tie him to THE Vlad Dracula. like, he's legit the real guy. (or, well, was) I can imagine this working. Imagine something like CV1 with next gen tech. With a ripe Gothic atmosphere, which i have to admit, LoS never quite delivered for me. The Land of vampires was cool and oozed Castlevania feel, but the castle itself was mainly icy ruins. the highlight of the area was the approach to the sewer tunnels, with the castle in the background.
That IS what I'd want to see from the series again. Most importantly, make Dracula DRACULA, as in Vlad Tepes. I kinda envision a scenario where this reboot takes place and you have the new producer talking about how this game will take it all back to it's roots, and how Dracula this time is NOT Mathias Cronqvist or Gabriel Belmont, but Vlad Tepes, Vlad the Impaler, and that there's going to be NO mystery revolving around "Who becomes Dracula", because we already know who Dracula is, it's Vlad Tepes. Instead of a "What a twist" M. Night Shyamalan type deal like was pulled in LoI and LoS, bypass the mystery bullshit and just tell how Vlad Tepes went from a prince and warlord to the "Dark Lord". Hell, for good measure, toss in Mircea and Radu, his brothers, who Dracula(after obtaining his new found powers, turns his brothers to aid him in his new goal of terror). Maybe also feature Vlad the Monk, Dracula's half-brother who can aid the Belmont(let's say Trevor) to battle them.

I know I brought the idea before, but my origin with Dracula(the whole bit about Vlad leading his company, including a Belmont and Danesti/Denasty and them abandoning him while the Turks imprison him and he gains his powers from a mysterious undying man), I would envision it resulting in Dracula venturing out to seek revenge on those who "wronged" him. I mentioned the bit about Elizabetha's rape, Alucard's birth, but I was thinking, with the Belmont, let's say Trevor is the son of the Belmont who served in Vlad Tepes's company/unit, what if we made his father Gabriel. Do something similar to what MS is doing with the LoS game, allusions to original canon characters. But, my idea was to have the son, Trevor, return home to find his parents and siblings murdered by Dracula himself. Imagine that for a moment, Dracula, Vlad Tepes Dracula, killing Gabriel Belmont. Then Trevor seeks out to find and destory him and his brothers. Eventually he does(he kills Dracula's brothers first before eventually facing him in his keep). It escalates into some revenge built on revenge, built on revenge tension about to burst(I mean, Dracula's getting revenge on Gabriel from abandoning him, and Trevor gets revenge on Dracula for killing his family by killing Mircea and Radu, and now Dracula's pissed at Trevor for killing his brothers... LOL, oddly enough, that's how some vendettas work in real life, which could go in explaining how the feud between Belmonts and Dracula become established...without family curse or blood relations to Dracula. It's just one big pissing contest and Dracula hates the Belmonts and everything they stand for, and every time he's resurrected, does his utmost to eradicate their lineage from the world).
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 24, 2013, 02:20:35 AM
  While i agree or disagree with the comments about Iga, i know that he has made some mistakes, that some people are not willing to forgive, but at least he was listening to the fans and tried to please them up to a point with OoE and Castlevania Rebirth. My point? Whoever is going to be passed the torch next, i'm sure or at least i hope that he will not be arrogant or insultive against fans of the Game like Cox and his company are right now.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 24, 2013, 02:29:00 AM
  While i agree or disagree with the comments about Iga, i know that he has made some mistakes, that some people are not willing to forgive, but at least he was listening to the fans and tried to please them up to a point with OoE and Castlevania Rebirth. My point? Whoever is going to be passed the torch next, i'm sure or at least i hope that he will not be arrogant or insultive against fans of the Game like Cox and his company are right now.

This I agree with.

Developers should be humble and let their work speak for them.

I want IGA back for the 1999 game.
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 24, 2013, 08:21:05 AM
The next Castlevania reboot should be an origin story of Galamoth and his rise as the king of the netherworld. Then plans to invade and take over the world by defeating the most powerful being there, Dracula.
Perfect.
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Post by: Pfil on June 24, 2013, 02:28:36 PM
I'd LOVE Iga to come back for good, but in the end, the truth is that I would be happy if anyone makes a CV game as I want it to be. Platinum, WayForward, or a complete unknown. And I'm not asking for much. I just want traditional Castlevania music, traditional gameplay and that gothic look with that particular feeling only Castlevania knows how to deliver, which MS games never did for me.
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Post by: Rugal on June 24, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the last Castlevania game to come out was Order of Eclessia.
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Post by: Pfil on June 24, 2013, 04:59:08 PM
Not officially speaking, but I understand what you are talking about.
The last canonical game was OoE, though. Even officially speaking.
But we had Harmony of Despair for PS3 in the middle of MS games.
And some Pachislots with great look and music.
Future will tell if we receive another full CV game with traditional CV music.
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Post by: crisis on June 24, 2013, 05:08:04 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, the last Castlevania game to come out was Order of Eclessia.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled1_zps312a1ca5.png&hash=4725257cc28a5aa34afe545c3ce2c026)



But honestly, joking aside, that's no different than a metroidvania-hater saying the last "true" Castlevania that was released was Rondo of Blood.

But whatevs, to each their own. I try to enjoy all Castlevania games equally (some more than others), which in turn makes me a happier person  :D
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Post by: Flame on June 24, 2013, 07:27:35 PM

And some Pachislots with great look and music.

I would consider the pachislots even LESS of a Castlevania game than the LoS games. They aren't even games. Just gambling machines with wasted CV assets.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 24, 2013, 08:41:34 PM
I would consider the pachislots even LESS of a Castlevania game than the LoS games. They aren't even games. Just gambling machines with wasted CV assets.
The music is better. :D
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Post by: Ahasverus on June 24, 2013, 09:17:25 PM
I would consider the pachislots even LESS of a Castlevania game than the LoS games. They aren't even games. Just gambling machines with wasted CV assets.
Yeah I find them offensive. How can that ammount of great HD assets and animations (and gorgeus music) go to a gambling machine ?? FML
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Post by: Pfil on June 24, 2013, 10:22:07 PM
Yes, I agree with that. But the look, and specially the music, is awesome.
Many times I thought "Why don't they just make an action game with all this stuff??!!".
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Post by: Flame on June 25, 2013, 12:02:50 AM
Yup. We could have had a current Gen remake of CV3. But NOPE, LETS THROW THAT AT A SLOT MACHINE INSTEAD.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 25, 2013, 12:18:41 AM
The music is better. :D
Considering 75%+ of the Pachislots soundtracks are re-used tracks...

Yup. We could have had a current Gen remake of CV3. But NOPE, LETS THROW THAT AT A SLOT MACHINE INSTEAD.
This, this, this.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 25, 2013, 12:37:09 AM
I'm thinking that the mind of Konami is like the mind of a woman, you'll never figure what's on their mind......so that's why we will never understand why they wasted resources on Pachislot machines.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 25, 2013, 01:18:47 AM
As far as I know, Japan is one the places where arcades are still very popular. So if you look at this when taking into account the Japanese market, it was a very good decesion and makes a lot of sense.

The money was hardly "wasted" because the Pachislots were a great success since the first one spawned two sequels. Arguably, they are better decision from a business standpoint than making a remake of CV3. Besides, if Konami had decided not to invest in the Pachislots, we wouldn't automatically have gotten a different CV project or a bigger budget for LoS or something like that. It was either this or nothing at all. 

Honestly, the Pachislots seem to be one of the more interesting games you can find in Japanese gamecenters, so please show a little appreciation you spoiled brats.  >:(         
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 25, 2013, 01:53:02 AM
I love Japanese arcades, although I am more of a UFO catcher person whenever I go there. hehehe.
All those super cute stuffed toys..... ♥

I personally want that pachislot mobile app that was released in Japan.
Slot machines and Castlevania. ♥
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Post by: Nagumo on June 25, 2013, 02:05:45 AM
Hmmm, yes I want to go to one too someday!

I was thinking of getting the app as well. No idea how I would go about doing that, though. 
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Post by: Maedhros on June 25, 2013, 02:52:01 AM
As far as I know, Japan is one the places where arcades are still very popular. So if you look at this when taking into account the Japanese market, it was a very good decesion and makes a lot of sense.

The money was hardly "wasted" because the Pachislots were a great success since the first one spawned two sequels. Arguably, they are better decision from a business standpoint than making a remake of CV3. Besides, if Konami had decided not to invest in the Pachislots, we wouldn't automatically have gotten a different CV project or a bigger budget for LoS or something like that. It was either this or nothing at all. 

Honestly, the Pachislots seem to be one of the more interesting games you can find in Japanese gamecenters, so please show a little appreciation you spoiled brats.  >:(         
Nah, I don't buy this crap. Pachislots are simply gamble games. My mom would love playing, since she likes these type of games, but me? Eehh...

It's shit. At least I got some remixes and the visuals were kinda cool.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 25, 2013, 03:56:28 AM
Nah, I don't buy this crap. Pachislots are simply gamble games. My mom would love playing, since she likes these type of games, but me? Eehh...

It's shit. At least I got some remixes and the visuals were kinda cool.

They may be gambling machines, but they're not half-assed. Far from it, actually. If you were talking about CV:The Medal I would have understood, but for a gambling machine it's pretty fantastic. 
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Post by: shelverton. on June 25, 2013, 06:33:19 AM
I wish Konami would say "Yeah, so we're making all these pachislot games just so we can make a little money and keep developing 2D Castlevania games without having to worry about them selling.". But it seems they're using the profit from the pachislots to make...more pachislots?

If LoS2 is a flop I'm worried what will happen to the franchise. I also wonder what exactly is considered a "flop" when it comes to Castlevania. The first LoS was a financial success, selling just over 1 million copies. If something like God of War sold 1 million, Sony would have a crisis meeting... I also heard Squeenix consider the latest Tomb Raider a commercial failure even though it sold much more than LoS. Makes you wonder if the budgets are THAT different or if it comes down to expectations and...dunno...vanity?



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Post by: Nagumo on June 25, 2013, 07:01:14 AM
I wish Konami would say "Yeah, so we're making all these pachislot games just so we can make a little money and keep developing 2D Castlevania games without having to worry about them selling.". But it seems they're using the profit from the pachislots to make...more pachislots?

No, of course not. Or do you think all the profit a CV game makes is used to make another one? Besides, how do you come to that conclusion? Honestly, some of you are being really unreasonable about this.     
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Post by: shelverton. on June 25, 2013, 09:44:50 AM
No, of course not. Or do you think all the profit a CV game makes is used to make another one? Besides, how do you come to that conclusion? Honestly, some of you are being really unreasonable about this.   

I don't "think" anything. And there's no "conclusion" whatsoever in my post. I was merely speaking freely, expressing what I wish for. I wish for lots of other things too, many of them are completely unreasonable, but I still want them to happen. If that's worth a minus then so be it  ;)
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Post by: Flame on June 25, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
No, of course not. Or do you think all the profit a CV game makes is used to make another one? Besides, how do you come to that conclusion? Honestly, some of you are being really unreasonable about this.   
Is it "unreasonable" to want a new CV game and not a slot machine? I see the assets put into it and think they could be better used for a videogame. But then, I'm a videogame fan, not a gambling fan. My main attraction is to the CV games. So to me, it's wasted resources. I could care less about the business side. I just want more CV games. Having a CV slot machine, to me, anyway- is like a total sell out. It's a way to abuse the brand to get people to play the more profitable venture. Not because they want people to really enjoy the hard work on their slot machine. It's for aesthetics and brand recognition only.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 25, 2013, 12:36:21 PM
I don't "think" anything. And there's no "conclusion" whatsoever in my post. I was merely speaking freely, expressing what I wish for. I wish for lots of other things too, many of them are completely unreasonable, but I still want them to happen. If that's worth a minus then so be it  ;)

Ok, Shel-kun. Sorry about that, then.  :-\

Having a CV slot machine, to me, anyway- is like a total sell out. It's a way to abuse the brand to get people to play the more profitable venture. Not because they want people to really enjoy the hard work on their slot machine. It's for aesthetics and brand recognition only.

Well, you should take into account that this was developed for the Japanese market only. Gamecenters and gambling machines are very popular over there, way more than where I live at least, so in that sense it's not selling out at all, and it's not absurd. It may seem that way if you live somewhere else, so it's easy to accuse the game of being that I suppose. People over there are genuinely excited to play things like that. So I'm not sure why, when the Castlevania series serves as the base for a pretty cool and unique slotmachine, with obviously had a decent amount of effort put into it, is suddenly viewed as a product of soulles branding. 

Also, with the popularity of gamecenters once again taken into consideration, it may not be accurate to brand the Pachislots as merely a way to spread the Castlevania brand, instead of a succesful spin-off series in it's own right. 

I'm not making this stuff up. I'm sure someone from Japan can attest to what I'm saying. 
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Post by: Dremn on June 25, 2013, 12:47:54 PM
Still waiting for my Rebirth sequel v__v

I should probably stop posting in this thread until real news comes out, just thinking about the franchise future is a little upsetting.
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Post by: uzo on June 25, 2013, 01:15:07 PM
Nagumo has he floor here. She's 100% correct. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by: Rugal on June 25, 2013, 03:18:14 PM
How can I forget Adventure Rebirth? I bring shame. I apologize.

Also those who keep down voting my posts.. All I have to say is lol.

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Post by: beingthehero on June 25, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
I remember when Nagumo posted the first pachislot trailer on another forum, before we knew that it was a pachislot game. The initial assumption was that it was either a sequel to or a remake of Curse of Darkness, and the section with Trevor look over the clock tower gears gave a glimpse of hope that, holy whack, it was going to be a 3D game with actual level design.

And then we found out it was a slot machine game. It brought some people to tears.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 26, 2013, 04:31:39 AM
Well, you should take into account that this was developed for the Japanese market only. Gamecenters and gambling machines are very popular over there, way more than where I live at least, so in that sense it's not selling out at all, and it's not absurd. It may seem that way if you live somewhere else, so it's easy to accuse the game of being that I suppose. People over there are genuinely excited to play things like that. So I'm not sure why, when the Castlevania series serves as the base for a pretty cool and unique slotmachine, with obviously had a decent amount of effort put into it, is suddenly viewed as a product of soulles branding. 

Also, with the popularity of gamecenters once again taken into consideration, it may not be accurate to brand the Pachislots as merely a way to spread the Castlevania brand, instead of a succesful spin-off series in it's own right. 

I'm not making this stuff up. I'm sure someone from Japan can attest to what I'm saying.

You are 100% accurate.

Slot machines pop up really quickly in an addicted country like Japan.
Oh and those extremely noisy pachinko as well.
At least there's no Castlevania pachinko yet.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 26, 2013, 11:59:21 AM
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At least there's no Castlevania pachinko yet.

Watch what you are talking about, since we have Kokoro Belmont and she could easily fit on a pachinko machine.... :P
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 28, 2013, 01:31:33 AM
If I am not mistaken, pachinko machines are made in Korea.
The Japanese make the pachislots.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 28, 2013, 02:23:16 AM
And what would stop them from making one? :o
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 28, 2013, 04:06:18 AM
Konami, if they don't want to make one. hehehe.
------------------
Anyway, Here are some twitter snippets from Cox:
1.
@CastlevaniaLOS Mr.Cox. if we can use the sword anytime we want without the limit of two power.Maybe that means a better gameplay.
@Tom59142664 - it would remove the skill and strategy element from the game = not good
@CastlevaniaLOS Is it possible when we are using a weapon we can absorb blood automatically?
@Tom59142664 - No because you need to decide what weapon you want to use in any given situation.
@CastlevaniaLOS   I'm worried that we will run out of power after a few hits
@Tom59142664 - You will... So you will need to keep playing well and maintain focus... It's the same system as CVLOS
@CastlevaniaLOS When we chose the sword by pressing L1, the energy will be absorbed to the sword's energy bar, and same case with the claws
@Tom59142664 - No you have to press L3 or R3 to decide which weapon the blood will be used for. Same as CVLOS
@CastlevaniaLOS If we have to press L3 or R3 to absorb the energy, then the fluency of the battle will be interruptted. Pls consider this
@Tom59142664 - If we did this the game would be a button masher. This is a strategic combat game. Same as CVLOS.

2.
@CastlevaniaLOS does alucard look the way he does because he refuses blood?, much like thirsty drac when he wakes 1000 years in the future.
@Makenshi1985 - Alucard died was bought back by Dracul's blood over a thirty year period and he doesn't feed on humans

3.
@CastlevaniaLOS  does the red book from the e 3 demo has any crucial part of the story for the second game?
@dcs121089 - Yes it's the new travel book
@CastlevaniaLOS very cool, is that a dragon skull?
@dcs121089 - Yes ;)
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 28, 2013, 04:23:04 AM
Konami, if they don't want to make one. hehehe.

But i was talking about Konami, what if they are reading here? If they think that a panchiko game will bring money to them, why not make one then? They have made already 3 pachislot games and one arcade, so if they were going to made a pachinko game, i wouldn't get surprised....
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Post by: Nagumo on June 28, 2013, 04:31:05 AM
The "Alucard slowly turned in a vampire in a 30-year time period" plot point is so contrived, it makes me wonder why they didn't just cut out Simon's part of the story and let the game focus entirely on Trevor, letting his transformation take place immediately after the first act. That might also have led to tighter and more focused game design.     
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 28, 2013, 06:14:40 AM
But i was talking about Konami, what if they are reading here? If they think that a panchiko game will bring money to them, why not make one then? They have made already 3 pachislot games and one arcade, so if they were going to made a pachinko game, i wouldn't get surprised....

What I was saying is Konami can either make one (as you said) or not make one (as I added).
Even if they read it here, I think they would still consider the Japanese market since in their mind that is the only market that wants those things.

The "Alucard slowly turned in a vampire in a 30-year time period" plot point is so contrived, it makes me wonder why they didn't just cut out Simon's part of the story and let the game focus entirely on Trevor, letting his transformation take place immediately after the first act. That might also have led to tighter and more focused game design.     

Yup. that would have been better, but they wanted to include the iconic Simon somehow and we all know what happened to the story.
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Post by: Dremn on June 28, 2013, 09:15:41 AM
The "Alucard slowly turned in a vampire in a 30-year time period" plot point is so contrived, it makes me wonder why they didn't just cut out Simon's part of the story and let the game focus entirely on Trevor, letting his transformation take place immediately after the first act. That might also have led to tighter and more focused game design.     
To me, it seems like Simon was included just for fan service and to establish the existence of the Belmont clan.
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Post by: Flame on June 28, 2013, 12:43:40 PM
You're implying Alucard and Trevor are not there for fanservice as well. They very well could have created nerw Belmonts like they did with Gabe, they chose to instead re-imagine existing ones as fanservice.

also, has anyone asked him how Trevor turning into a vampire contradicts what loS1 stated had to be a voluntary change? (that being why only sentient creatures can be turned) Someone should inquire that. It really bugs me a bit. I can swallow that he skipped the whole bat ugly phases and went straight to humanlike because Dracula's blood is just that strong, and he's already kin, but the fact that he gave no consent and it worked is strange.
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Post by: crisis on June 28, 2013, 01:07:42 PM
i'm still wondering how it's possible almost every action hero in gaming have the ability to jump TWICE in the air
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Post by: uzo on June 28, 2013, 01:37:45 PM
Devil May Cry was the only series I can think of that actually addressed it in game (LoS1 aside, MoF just kinda did whatever I guess.). Megaman is in the territory of "well it makes sense, robot rocket boots" but any other one is pretty tough to explain.

I guess throw it in the pile with "why can they reverse directions in air?".
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Post by: Flame on June 28, 2013, 01:50:04 PM
Trevor was the highlight of MoF, (his story anyway) and yet he was basically just Alucard. That was disappointing. i mean, they didn't bother explaining why he had Alucard's abilities, (which Alucard had to gain over the course of the game, so its not like he retained them from being Trevor) or making him different. Simon and Alucard played differently and had their own moves and gimmicks, yet Trevor's gameplay feels like an afterthought.
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Post by: Pfil on June 28, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
i'm still wondering how it's possible almost every action hero in gaming have the ability to jump TWICE in the air
Invisible wings.
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Post by: Chernabogue on June 29, 2013, 12:48:23 AM
i'm still wondering how it's possible almost every action hero in gaming have the ability to jump TWICE in the air
Mega Fart.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 29, 2013, 02:58:49 AM
i'm still wondering how it's possible almost every action hero in gaming have the ability to jump TWICE in the air

Invisible thread or magical platforms.
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Post by: Gecko on June 29, 2013, 05:58:52 AM
i'm still wondering how it's possible almost every action hero in gaming have the ability to jump TWICE in the air

Well in OoE, Shanoa used an ordinary rock. So maybe it's the Dumbo effect. Anyone can do it, but you've JUST GOTTA BELIEVE IN YOURSELF.
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Post by: beingthehero on June 29, 2013, 06:32:27 AM
Having the ordinary rock give you the powers of double jump was the finest shrug the series had since giving Alucard the almighty Holy Symbol of a snorkel.
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Post by: Maedhros on June 29, 2013, 08:51:51 AM
That's part of Castlevania. These nods to other series and humor. They don't even try to be funny.
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 01, 2013, 11:43:43 AM
According to Cox's Twitter, Gabe/Drac will be able to morph into his ultimate form, maybe the smoke dragon we saw in the trailer.
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Post by: Flame on July 01, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
I dunno. Or maybe something else more akin to Alucard's transformation.

hen again, Alucard's Transformation if I recall is his replacement for shadow magic wasnt it? Gabe has that already. So who knows
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 01, 2013, 02:06:15 PM
Humans (Gabriel, Trevor) have Light and Shadow magic. (Simon is an exception, as he was not trained to use magic, but can summon spirits.)
Vampires (Alucard, Dracula) have Void (Mist and Sword) and Chaos (Wolf and Claws) magic. So Dracula's transformation has to be something else.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 01, 2013, 07:07:29 PM
If that is true about transforming into the ultimate form (assuming that Cox is telling the truth. He has lied before), it will likely either be very hard to do or it will only be used at certain points for the sake of advancing the plot.
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Post by: Maedhros on July 01, 2013, 08:26:34 PM
If that is true about transforming into the ultimate form (assuming that Cox is telling the truth. He has lied before), it will likely either be very hard to do or it will only be used at certain points for the sake of advancing the plot.
It'll be a QTE.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 02, 2013, 12:05:06 PM
It'll be a QTE.

Definitely.

If not my shock and amaze will know no bounds. :P
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Post by: king metroid on July 02, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
@Tom59142664 - If we did this the game would be a button masher. This is a strategic combat game. Same as CVLOS.

I played LoS and I think the label "Button masher" fits rather nicely.
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Post by: Pfil on July 02, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
I played LoS and I think the label "Button masher" fits rather nicely.
I agree. It fits more in MoF because you don't have 3 dimensions to move around, it's pushing and pushing buttons over and over, which was what in the end ruined an experience that would have been otherwise enjoyable, given the magnificent backgrounds this game displays.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 04, 2013, 04:23:21 AM
According to Cox: Expect some cool new stuff around Comic Con :)
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 04, 2013, 05:14:21 AM
According to Cox: Expect some cool new stuff around Comic Con :)


According to Cox's past, i have little hopes of something great or cool.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 04, 2013, 05:54:45 AM

According to Cox's past, i have little hopes of something great or cool.

Well, that is expected. Anyway, let's see what he means by his standard of cool.
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Post by: Flame on July 04, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
I played LoS and I think the label "Button masher" fits rather nicely.
Then you most likely DIDN'T play LoS...

Or don't know what a Button masher is.
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Post by: beingthehero on July 04, 2013, 03:31:57 PM
You certainly couldn't mindlessly mash buttons in Lords, but there wasn't much strategy involved either.
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Post by: Pfil on July 04, 2013, 04:06:16 PM
With a few exceptions of dodging and using magic, it was pretty much pressing attack buttons rapidly to win every battle.
I guess that makes it a button masher of sorts.
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Post by: Neobelmont on July 04, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
I played LoS and I think the label "Button masher" fits rather nicely.

Something like dynasty warriors or gundam dw is a button masher even gods eater burst but los deserves much better than to be called a button masher while MoF on the other hand ehh....


I agree. It fits more in MoF because you don't have 3 dimensions to move around, it's pushing and pushing buttons over and over, which was what in the end ruined an experience that would have been otherwise enjoyable, given the magnificent backgrounds this game displays.

Mof fits the bill better.

One of the things I love about los is how combo crazy one can get don't believe me well I like to use this video for reference it ranks right up with an other combo video I like not presentation wise but the combos.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow Combo Video "Workshed" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLU7OLrWZEY#ws)

Best Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, God of War Combo Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d--tkn_GzmM#) (this video rocks my socks so much I have to wash them)


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Post by: Check on July 04, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
^^And with that said....

I've been working on a Lords of Shadow Combo Video for the last 6 months.  It will be in 60fps and span through the start of the game, all the way to the end, in order.  About 100 combos, with cinematic and the beautiful LOS soundtrack.

I tweeted Cox a preview of it a few months ago, and he retweeted it.  He has been supporting the project from its conception. 

I was trying to join this site for a long time but couldn't, because someone on here a while posted my original LOS Demo Combo Video, and i wanted to say thanks.  A little upset my video wasn't included on the post above, but that's ok... Thanks to the person (if its the same poster as above), that linked my Demo combo video in one of these threads with much praise.  Was a long time ago, but thank you.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 04, 2013, 06:28:58 PM
You certainly couldn't mindlessly mash buttons in Lords, but there wasn't much strategy involved either.
I think Dark Souls had more strategy in it's gameplay than LoS did.
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Post by: Neobelmont on July 04, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
^^And with that said....

I've been working on a Lords of Shadow Combo Video for the last 6 months.  It will be in 60fps and span through the start of the game, all the way to the end, in order.  About 100 combos, with cinematic and the beautiful LOS soundtrack.

I tweeted Cox a preview of it a few months ago, and he retweeted it.  He has been supporting the project from its conception. 

I was trying to join this site for a long time but couldn't, because someone on here a while posted my original LOS Demo Combo Video, and i wanted to say thanks.  A little upset my video wasn't included on the post above, but that's ok... Thanks to the person (if its the same poster as above), that linked my Demo combo video in one of these threads with much praise.  Was a long time ago, but thank you.

Yes I remember now


Agree with you on the graphics department, but to me combat in los was not tedious. Let me explain it without going into to much detail. Overall it reminds me of a fighting game in which I can pull off a bunch of crazy combos; so yeah at first the combat was a little something... I do not want to say slow or tedious, yet to me combat only got better as time went on for instance these two videos show just how quick the enemies can be killed off

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow Combo Video Tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVqcnDZTJjI#ws)


Castlevania Lords of Shadow Combo Video "Workshed" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLU7OLrWZEY#ws)

I may not be the best at combos(always trying to learn new things) but experimentation pays off not too mention the weaknesses that enemies had, alongside the perfect block thing, and orb sucking the combat just seems non-tedious to me, but some enemies do get me at points like the big werewolfs and skeletons  :)
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Post by: Pfil on July 05, 2013, 02:15:50 AM
I think Dark Souls had more strategy in it's gameplay than LoS did.
And it was infinitely harder.
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Post by: The Silverlord on July 05, 2013, 03:51:31 AM
The combat was one of Lords of Shadow's more definite plus points, I thought.

I don’t put a whole lot of stock in the unlockable moves and combo stuff (mostly that's just filler), but it’s Combat Focus system was great.  Don’t get hit to fill the gauges seems simple stuff, but boy you rely on filling those gauges.  Also, block-timing to get more orbs was sweet.  Just like the best of the best in DMC4 and filling the Exceed gauge quicker.   I found Lords' light and shadow gauges quirky and tricky to get into the swing off to begin with, but by the end I thought they worked really well, and it did mean making genuine decisions on whether to regain energy or increase attack power.
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Post by: The Silverlord on July 05, 2013, 03:58:41 AM
You certainly couldn't mindlessly mash buttons in Lords, but there wasn't much strategy involved either.

Did you play the game through on the hardest difficulty?  I found it quite an entertaining challenge, and found it demanded a high degree of strategy in terms of handling those gauges and keeping Gabe alive.  Perhaps not DMC4 or Bayonetta tier in terms of depth, but demanding nonetheless.
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Post by: Pfil on July 05, 2013, 04:40:58 AM
That's a valid point, but pretty much every game is very challenging on the hardest difficulty.
For example, that is the thing I like the most about Order of Eclessia.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 05, 2013, 05:30:49 AM
I think most of the challenge comes the game trying to wear out the player with damage sponge enemies rather because of attack patterns. I guess there is nothing inherently wrong with that, but I hope the series moves past that system after the Lords series is done because it can be rather tedious. I also suspect it's done in order to pad out the game.

Honestly, I've been thinking lately Castlevania should maybe drop down combo based combat entirely and only have an attack or block function or something like that. I feel 3D Castlevania games should focus less on combat and more on environmental hazards. Not that combat shouldn't been challenging, but there are other ways to do that besides giving the enemies gazillion hit points.  :P

Regarding playing Lords of Shadow on Paladin mode, I noticed it's actually very easy. I used these three steps to finish every level without much trouble:

1.) When in the Land of the Lycans, use fairies to stun the more annoying enemies. Mash the attack button to win. Likewise, in the Land of the Vampires, it's the same thing, except you use Holy Water.           
2.) When in trouble and out of Fairies/Holy Water, use the Dark Crystal.
3.) When in trouble and out of Dark Crystals, use Ultimate Light magic.

Personally, I think it's just a matter of knowing when to do what technique in order to immediately turn the fight in your favor. 
     
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Post by: Pfil on July 05, 2013, 07:01:37 AM
I completely agree with you, Nagumo.

3D Castlevania should focus on platforming. The N64 games were perfect examples of a fun and challenging experience with great atmosphere and a Castlevania feel.
Not that combat should be absent, but Castlevania can do perfectly weel without combos and QTE's.
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Post by: The Silverlord on July 05, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
Personally, I think it's just a matter of knowing when to do what technique in order to immediately turn the fight in your favor. 

And that's strategy; there are choices, decisions to make. I'm not as good as you, I struggled my way through and it got really tight in places where energy was low. ;)

But I'd also rather see more focus on platforming, or enemies in the mix while platforming.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 05, 2013, 02:26:45 PM
I completely agree with you, Nagumo.

3D Castlevania should focus on platforming. The N64 games were perfect examples of a fun and challenging experience with great atmosphere and a Castlevania feel.
Not that combat should be absent, but Castlevania can do perfectly weel without combos and QTE's.
AGREED.
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 06, 2013, 01:44:06 AM
In my opinion, Castlevania's combat should keep combos (maybe not as hardcore as in LoS). I really find the "one-time attack" completely stupid (either in classic or metroidvania games): hell, Belmonts and other characters are trained warriors and should not battle enemies with just one attack. Combos like in CoD/LoI were very nice, but could have been a bit better.

Just my two cents.
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Post by: Rugal on July 06, 2013, 06:51:54 AM
Man those QTEs are a serious learning curve..
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 06, 2013, 11:11:01 AM
In my opinion, Castlevania's combat should keep combos (maybe not as hardcore as in LoS). I really find the "one-time attack" completely stupid (either in classic or metroidvania games): hell, Belmonts and other characters are trained warriors and should not battle enemies with just one attack. Combos like in CoD/LoI were very nice, but could have been a bit better.

Just my two cents.
Combos should remain, I agree, but there should be more uses to combo attacks. Instead of just wailing with attacks, incorporate other moves, perhaps to use in conjunction with obsticles and environments. Why can't you combo in a foot sweep to catch an enemy off guard? Why can't you ensnare an enemy and flail them around to knock other enemies down? Why isn't there a quick swat attack where if you are in a narrow bridge over a pit, you can slap them off for a quick kill? They should come up with a load of different attacks, and maybe incorporate subweapons into them. Snare an enemy, reel them in and break an holy water flask on their heads. 
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 06, 2013, 11:12:43 AM
I actually liked the combos and whip combat better in LOI.

It actually felt like I was giving the enemies a whip beating as opposed to LOS where felt like I was slashing at nothing.
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Post by: Flame on July 06, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
The hits definitely felt solid in loI. but the whip combat felt a little stiff.
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Post by: Pfil on July 06, 2013, 08:14:26 PM
One of the things I liked the less in LoS combar was the fact that you press your attack buttons and it seems that you are hitting everything on the screen, from one side to the other extreme, with no need to aim or nothing.
I liked when you missed a lot of attacks with Carrie on CV64, you needed to calculate everything (and not only that, you needed to measure and think your platforming too, because one little mistake and it was starting over the stage).
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 07, 2013, 04:00:43 AM
Death pits should return or at least punish you in way that you would think twice before making a mistake and you fall in.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 07, 2013, 07:20:14 PM
One of the things I liked the less in LoS combar was the fact that you press your attack buttons and it seems that you are hitting everything on the screen, from one side to the other extreme, with no need to aim or nothing.
Now you are criticizing the main gameplay aspects (foundations) of a game so just accept it wasn't for you.
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I liked when you missed a lot of attacks with Carrie on CV64, you needed to calculate everything (and not only that, you needed to measure and think your platforming too, because one little mistake and it was starting over the stage).
And that made 64 be revilled for years after.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on July 07, 2013, 08:07:30 PM
I didn't mind restarting from my last save.
However, the fact that my whip and subweapon upgrades were gone irritated me so much, argh. :P
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Post by: Neobelmont on July 07, 2013, 08:42:04 PM
One of the things I liked the less in LoS combar was the fact that you press your attack buttons and it seems that you are hitting everything on the screen, from one side to the other extreme, with no need to aim or nothing.
I liked when you missed a lot of attacks with Carrie on CV64, you needed to calculate everything (and not only that, you needed to measure and think your platforming too, because one little mistake and it was starting over the stage).


I have one question Pfil have you ever played a game call maximo for the ps2 I believe there were only two game so it does not matter but regardless back to what I was thinking. As for missing targets and such I honestly think it's because of that darn target system replace it with the z-targeting system in zelda and bam what an improvement it would be.



I think most of the challenge comes the game trying to wear out the player with damage sponge enemies rather because of attack patterns. I guess there is nothing inherently wrong with that, but I hope the series moves past that system after the Lords series is done because it can be rather tedious. I also suspect it's done in order to pad out the game.

Honestly, I've been thinking lately Castlevania should maybe drop down combo based combat entirely and only have an attack or block function or something like that. I feel 3D Castlevania games should focus less on combat and more on environmental hazards. Not that combat shouldn't been challenging, but there are other ways to do that besides giving the enemies gazillion hit points.  :P

Regarding playing Lords of Shadow on Paladin mode, I noticed it's actually very easy. I used these three steps to finish every level without much trouble:

1.) When in the Land of the Lycans, use fairies to stun the more annoying enemies. Mash the attack button to win. Likewise, in the Land of the Vampires, it's the same thing, except you use Holy Water.           
2.) When in trouble and out of Fairies/Holy Water, use the Dark Crystal.
3.) When in trouble and out of Dark Crystals, use Ultimate Light magic.

Personally, I think it's just a matter of knowing when to do what technique in order to immediately turn the fight in your favor. 
     



Combos should still be kept in cv and as for damage sponges I see it yet I don't there is just way too much at ones disposal for them to be considered sponges. When I played los I really mastered the synchronized blocking and gave a beating to them followed by sub-weapon harassment.

For example while it's more or less namco's answer to monster hunter if I go by the standard of damage sponges then the aragami in gods eater burst(this is only toward the damage sponge aspect) take forever to kill compared to the monsters in los. The enemies in Los are nothing.... Nothing , and I put 20 hours into gods eater burst even with starting to understand the crafting system and such all enemies take abit of damage that's way too much for my taste it and from what I played they take from 5 to 19 minutes depending on which aragami you want to destroy provided they are alone. (Yes destroying aragami could become quicker but seeing as los is 20 or so hours and I put 20 hours into geb I feel that it's a fair  enough comparison for damage sponges)
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Post by: Pfil on July 08, 2013, 01:10:09 PM
Now you are criticizing the main gameplay aspects (foundations) of a game so just accept it wasn't for you. And that made 64 be revilled for years after.
It is clear by now that the game wasn't for me, and I never said otherwise.
I know a lot of people dislike CV64, but it's one of my favourites.

I have one question Pfil have you ever played a game call maximo for the ps2 I believe there were only two game so it does not matter but regardless back to what I was thinking. As for missing targets and such I honestly think it's because of that darn target system replace it with the z-targeting system in zelda and bam what an improvement it would be.
I did not. I bought and tried both games for a while like 5 years ago, but never got to them again, just beat a couple of stages. They were on my list of games to play for a while, but I always ended up choosing something else.
Thanks for the recommendation, anyway. I'm more for the serious kind of knights games (like Skyrim). However, I loved Ghosts and Goblins, Ghouls and Ghosts, Super Ghouls and Ghosts, but as I said in another thread, everything's prettier with sprites  :)
The Maximo games looked more like Medievil than GnG to me. And I did play both Medievil games  :P, but that was in the PSX days when I got so much less options to choose from.
Today, both Maximo games are on my PS2 games shelve, in the archive.
Maybe I will give them a chance one of these days now that you reminded me of them  :)
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Post by: Neobelmont on July 08, 2013, 07:50:36 PM
It is clear by now that the game wasn't for me, and I never said otherwise.
I know a lot of people dislike CV64, but it's one of my favourites.
I did not. I bought and tried both games for a while like 5 years ago, but never got to them again, just beat a couple of stages. They were on my list of games to play for a while, but I always ended up choosing something else.
Thanks for the recommendation, anyway. I'm more for the serious kind of knights games (like Skyrim). However, I loved Ghosts and Goblins, Ghouls and Ghosts, Super Ghouls and Ghosts, but as I said in another thread, everything's prettier with sprites  :)
The Maximo games looked more like Medievil than GnG to me. And I did play both Medievil games  :P, but that was in the PSX days when I got so much less options to choose from.
Today, both Maximo games are on my PS2 games shelve, in the archive.
Maybe I will give them a chance one of these days now that you reminded me of them  :)


CV 64 is very ehh to me I only got as far as the sewers with Carrie and past the forest of slience hile LoD I beat it with all four characters so good job if you can stomach the vanilla version.

As for Maximo I stopped playing the game because I was not able to find a save spot. I believe I have the first one I have to look at it again.
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Post by: Pfil on July 09, 2013, 02:34:43 AM
Nowadays you can easily emulate it and save states (if you don't want to cheat, just save every time you beat a stage, so if you lose you start at the beginning).

About CV64, I've beaten several times every mode of both games on every difficulty. I must be a little crazy to do that  :P
But don't forget I'm the only person in the whole world that dared to play Knights of the Temple II like 10 times, and that's one of the buggiest games I've ever seen  :P
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 09, 2013, 03:26:13 AM
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But don't forget I'm the only person in the whole world that dared to play Knights of the Temple II like 10 times, and that's one of the buggiest games I've ever seen

Wanna see what a real buggy game looks like? Try playing Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship for Game Boy Advance.
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Post by: Pfil on July 09, 2013, 06:03:46 AM
Haha! But I love KotT 2 because the aesthetic is one of my favourites!
Sirmium, the Damned Roman City is one of the most appealing stages I've seen (to my personal taste).
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Post by: Munchy on July 09, 2013, 10:44:01 PM
Death pits should return or at least punish you in way that you would think twice before making a mistake and you fall in.

Now this right here would be an incredibly worthwhile mod for the PC version. Heck, adding lives and more evenly spaced checkpoints would be even better.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 10, 2013, 01:10:18 AM
Death pits could work even on metroidvanias, like if you fall from a really high place, you take damage according to the height you fallen, until you find a skill, that i would prefer that skill to be secret, offering some challenge to the game, so that you want have to go start jumping all over the place mindlessly.
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Post by: Maedhros on July 10, 2013, 11:27:32 AM
Death pits could work even on metroidvanias, like if you fall from a really high place, you take damage according to the height you fallen, until you find a skill
Nope nope nope nope
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Post by: BMC_War Machine on July 10, 2013, 11:37:28 AM
It is clear by now that the game wasn't for me, and I never said otherwise.
I know a lot of people dislike CV64, but it's one of my favourites.
Mine too :-) mechanics, camera, graphics yeah, could've been better but damn did i play the hell out of legacy of darkness lol.  That's my personal fav of the 2  8)
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 10, 2013, 02:02:32 PM
Nope nope nope nope


So, do you find it logical falling from 100 meter and land like you were fall from half meter? And don't tell me it's a game, because if that's the reason, then we shouldn't whine about anything and accept every game that comes out, without criticize it.
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Post by: Pfil on July 10, 2013, 02:38:37 PM
From the way I see it, when you fall you die (ClassicVanias) or you don't (MetroidVanias).
Something in between like the fall damage in Mirror of Fate didn't make sense to me in a Castlevania setting.
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Post by: uzo on July 10, 2013, 02:38:43 PM
Logic and gameplay should often go hand in hand, but I'm always willing to stretch logic to make smooth gameplay. Fall damage is just lame, especially with the metrics of Castlevania's jump arcs, especially double jumps, and so forth. Having to climb back up in itself is enough punishment for the player.

Logically I can understand if Alucard can survive a huge drop, like SotN caves. Richter is a bit more of a stretch but given the Belmont's super human strength and skill, you could stretch logic enough to say he just knows how to land and is strong enough to take the fall. I do think there should be another tier of "fall stun" where you stop longer after landing as a result. More of a "Damn! That stings!" pause, rather than a "I BROKE MY LEG!" incident.

As a counter example where fall damage works, the idea of fall damage in say Ocarina of Time makes more sense. Link jumps as high as a normal human, and primarily when running off edges. The idea that he cannot land from a high fall safely is fairly intuitive. However someone in Castlevania normally jumps about 16 times higher than Link, and lands fine every time. Not to mention double jumps, which would be about 24-26 times higher than Link can jump.

Belmonts are just so strong and skilled they know 'how to land' and have the fortitude to walk away from it without an issue. Just show that it was a harsh landing by giving an additional delay before they can start moving again, would be the best 'correction'. But honestly, it's not that big of a deal in my opinion.

Oh, and what about others? Any sort of mages have magic, that's the ultimate logical fixer. Alucard is a super powerful vampire. Grant was an acrobatics expert. Etc, etc, etc.
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Post by: Pfil on July 10, 2013, 04:01:21 PM
How about something like this every time you fall?

Family Guy Peter is Hurt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5reDsSIiAk#)
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Post by: DoctaMario on July 10, 2013, 06:18:22 PM
Did you play the game through on the hardest difficulty?  I found it quite an entertaining challenge, and found it demanded a high degree of strategy in terms of handling those gauges and keeping Gabe alive.  Perhaps not DMC4 or Bayonetta tier in terms of depth, but demanding nonetheless.

Agreed. I didn't feel like Paladin mode was that much tougher outside of the fact that it hurts more if you get hit, but the stronger enemies allowed you to make better use of the combat system. In a way, I didn't fully appreciate it UNTIL I played it on Paladin and had to make greater use of the moves I wasn't using as much before.

Have to say though, that combo video was pretty badass! Good job to the guy who did that!



CV 64 is very ehh to me I only got as far as the sewers with Carrie and past the forest of slience hile LoD I beat it with all four characters so good job if you can stomach the vanilla version.

This is odd to me because I thought LoD had junk level design compared to CV64. If CV64 had the extra two characters, there'd be no reason to play LoD imo.
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Post by: Maedhros on July 10, 2013, 06:33:44 PM
How about something like this every time you fall?

Family Guy Peter is Hurt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5reDsSIiAk#)
ONLY if it's a QTE. IT would be P-E-R-F-E-C-T.
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Post by: Pfil on July 10, 2013, 11:26:05 PM
Press X to say "Aaah..."
Press OX to say "Aaah...
Press OO to say "Aaah..."
Press XXO to say "Aaah..."
Press OXOXXO to say "Aaah..."

Success!
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Post by: Neobelmont on July 11, 2013, 12:05:35 AM
Agreed. I didn't feel like Paladin mode was that much tougher outside of the fact that it hurts more if you get hit, but the stronger enemies allowed you to make better use of the combat system. In a way, I didn't fully appreciate it UNTIL I played it on Paladin and had to make greater use of the moves I wasn't using as much before.

Have to say though, that combo video was pretty badass! Good job to the guy who did that!


This is odd to me because I thought LoD had junk level design compared to CV64. If CV64 had the extra two characters, there'd be no reason to play LoD imo.

I bugged up on that sentence. In the 64 version I only got past the forest of silence with reinhardt. Also, cv64 messed up on the control and camera( I clearly remember in the villa when the chainsaw man chasing me that the camera just got stuck in an area and I weas like no!!!! and then I died that was such a glitch and I'll tell you this has never happened to me in lod just the vanilla version) badly and lod improved upon that also, if I can beat  lod with all four characters, three of them on the hardest difficulty (Carrie I cannot remember honestly) then something is very,very, wrong. All the mess ups in cv64 are improved upon in lod not perfected, but impropved enough that this one can beat it more than once and let me tell you lod is one of my favorites  ;D
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 11, 2013, 12:38:17 AM
While i love the explanation uzo gave, still i would like a more logical explanation, like why Richter or Maria can go underwater and stay there eternally, without drowning on SoTN, when on the previous game they can't?
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Post by: Pfil on July 11, 2013, 12:53:38 AM
Because it just doesn't matter, every franchise plays by its own rules.
From where I see it, that makes sense, but the fact of having fall damage in Mirror of Fate does not, though in real life it would be exactly the opposite.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 11, 2013, 02:40:30 AM
While i love the explanation uzo gave, still i would like a more logical explanation, like why Richter or Maria can go underwater and stay there eternally, without drowning on SoTN, when on the previous game they can't?

Perhaps they learned the "breathe underwater" spell in between the two games.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on July 11, 2013, 06:33:24 AM
At least Soma Cruz 'floats' on water, like a normal human.
Ironic, considering...
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 11, 2013, 07:37:42 AM
Because it just doesn't matter, every franchise plays by its own rules.
From where I see it, that makes sense, but the fact of having fall damage in Mirror of Fate does not, though in real life it would be exactly the opposite.
You are contradicting yourself don't you think? we get it, you hate the LoS series it's nonsense to you and every aspect of it is a deprture that shouldn't be done that way. I'm all for arguments and discussion but god I feel this is 2008 again (or 2009, or 2010, or 2011...)
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on July 11, 2013, 07:40:07 AM
I don't mind fall damage if it's somewhat logical and somewhat reasonable (gameplay-wise).
Hell, I didn't mind it in CV64/LoD.  Falling from too far was even death!

I'm ok with it.

Boomerang Kid (NES game) had you dying if you fell two tiles.  TWO TILES!  Unreasonable.
LoI has you falling hilarious heights, no damage.  Not logical.  Gameplay-wise it's also reasonable because "Lol videogame physics".

The minute the game tries to be too realistic, it starts to become more of an annoyance.
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Post by: uzo on July 11, 2013, 07:47:39 AM
While i love the explanation uzo gave, still i would like a more logical explanation, like why Richter or Maria can go underwater and stay there eternally, without drowning on SoTN, when on the previous game they can't?

They purchased a holy symbol snorkel in that time.
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Post by: Pfil on July 11, 2013, 10:27:20 AM
You are contradicting yourself don't you think? we get it, you hate the LoS series it's nonsense to you and every aspect of it is a deprture that shouldn't be done that way. I'm all for arguments and discussion but god I feel this is 2008 again (or 2009, or 2010, or 2011...)
You are taking it out of context. See how the conversation was before that message and you will find no contradiction.

Dark Nemesis said that he wanted an explanation on why Richter and Maria don't drown in water.

And I said that it is because it doesn't matter, for every franchise play by its own rules, and in Castlevania, the way I see it, it does make sense that fact about Richter and Maria, but fall damage in MoF didn't make sense.
Within CV rules, the fact they don't drown makes sense and the fall damage does not.

I guess it's pretty clear for everyone else.

You can understand it, as well, I guess. You seem smart in our pictures.
Or you can just downvote me as so many others, so many times before, just because I don't like LoS.
Whatever...

And to be clear, yes, I hate almost everything about the LoS series, but if you've been reading, you should have noticed by now that I like Gabriel as a character, that I liked LoS story, that I loved Gabriel's tragic tale on both games, and that I love Trevor's new design, as well as the Reverie DLC and Laura as a character.
Better focus on the games you like and have already available and/or coming out right now instead of focusing on everyone who doesn't like LoS.
It's already hard enough for me with MS alone (and with the lack of ClassicVania and MetroidVania for 5 LONG years), especially with Araujo's superb compositions.

And now... I prepare myself for the waterfall of -1s.
Next time I'm going to say something negative about LoS, I better think it twice  :P
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Post by: uzo on July 11, 2013, 10:40:36 AM
If you want an actual reason why Richter can breathe underwater forever in SotN, it is because Richter was a last minute addition to the game. He has no equipment, relics, items, or anything else other than the basic gameplay. There was not enough time to add in those elements, which would have been necessary for Richter to reach completion of the map if they were enforced. Thus, Richter has total mobility in water.

Maria, being added later after the initial release, simply follows the conventions of the first released version, copying Richter's formula of gameplay and ability progression.

Circle of the Moon likely aped this convention as the new 'standard'. Harmony of Dissonance didn't quite shove you into any noticeable positions with being underwater. It wasn't until Aria of Sorrow that the reflection on this hastily included convention was tackled. Now you have the convention that would have been likely set by Richter in SotN if they indeed had the time, or cared to, make him the main playable character or give his progression collectible relics. The player floats, and cannot swim under water until a magical relic allowing underwater breath and mobility is found.
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Post by: Flame on July 11, 2013, 10:48:50 AM
Press X to say "Aaah..."
Press OX to say "Aaah...
Press OO to say "Aaah..."
Press XXO to say "Aaah..."
Press OXOXXO to say "Aaah..."

Success!
Sounds like a porn game...
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 11, 2013, 10:52:38 AM
stuff

It's nothing personal, it's just that sometimes you complain about the most trivial things, you have the "OldKastlevania4lifezLoSZucksorrs" that most of this forum loves (avalanche of -1's? change that for +1's, I'm and old active member and my rep is the lowest of the bunch because, god forbid, I dislike some aspects of the old series and like some of the new, loving both.. well, except for mof).

See, the fall damage is a design choice, rules dont matter, and old Castlevania didn't have any /rules/, old Belmonts DROWNED after touching waters,there's no universal Castlevania "rule" see? sometimes it appears that you can't lose a chance for bashnig LoS even if you have to invent the most abstract stuff to prove your point, as a fan I have the right to feel offended, and note, I'd do the same if the same reasoning was used for critizising that way Ecclesia or Aria or Symphony or whatever (except PoR, tht game is inexcusable, and DoS is meh).

MoF focused in platfforming (bad o good you decide) and so they needed a penality for falling high heights, becasue, you know, that's failing in platfforming; the old games had insta deaths, MoF is not as punishing but it still had a penality, see? It's a design choice, the metroidvanias were not platfformers they focused in navigation and loot that's why they didn't have those restrictions, it's not about "rules" of a universe (being castlevania one of the most inconsistent ones ever created). But I don't hope I could change your mind as I see you are rooted in your beliefs, and that's fine, I salute you and applaud you, but mind you, you'll always have someone like me standing on the other side.

Sounds like a porn game...
I'd buy that :P
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Post by: Flame on July 11, 2013, 11:03:36 AM
On the fall damage...

Well lets put it this way. it's far better than when you let go of a ledge in LoS, getting instakilled, despite being only a few feet off the ground, because you didn't get down via the ledge.

That pissed me off. If I want to jump off the cliff and skip the ledges, I should be able to, given the height off the ground is no more than Gabe has done before or will do later. It felt really forced. This was PARTICULARLY present in the Aghartan ruins, Land of the Lycans.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 11, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
This was PARTICULARLY present in the Aghartan ruins, Land of the Lycans.
Those levels are the worst designed stuff I've seen in a AAA game. No surprise why people quitted there. The real game began  for me in the last level before Cornell, the jump in quality is at the same time astounding and baffling.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 11, 2013, 03:54:11 PM
I don't mind fall damage if it's somewhat logical and somewhat reasonable (gameplay-wise).
Hell, I didn't mind it in CV64/LoD.  Falling from too far was even death!

I'm ok with it.

Boomerang Kid (NES game) had you dying if you fell two tiles.  TWO TILES!  Unreasonable.
LoI has you falling hilarious heights, no damage.  Not logical.  Gameplay-wise it's also reasonable because "Lol videogame physics".

The minute the game tries to be too realistic, it starts to become more of an annoyance.
The less "realistic" penalties, the better. Now, I'm willing to let slide(though still dislike) fall damage taken by a HUMAN character. But a non-human, VAMPIRE, there is NO good reason to include such a thing. EVER! Alucard and this game's Dracula shouldn't get hurt if they fall the length of a skyscraper. They are fuckin VAMPIRES. There's no way to justify that while trying to demonstrate how badass the LoS versions of Alucard and Dracula are, because if you are a badass vampire and you still get hurt from falling, you aren't THAT badass. That's like a werewolf getting mortally wounded by tripping over a stuffed animal. That dog won't hunt, Monsignor!
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Post by: DoctaMario on July 11, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
I bugged up on that sentence. In the 64 version I only got past the forest of silence with reinhardt. Also, cv64 messed up on the control and camera( I clearly remember in the villa when the chainsaw man chasing me that the camera just got stuck in an area and I weas like no!!!! and then I died that was such a glitch and I'll tell you this has never happened to me in lod just the vanilla version) badly and lod improved upon that also, if I can beat  lod with all four characters, three of them on the hardest difficulty (Carrie I cannot remember honestly) then something is very,very, wrong. All the mess ups in cv64 are improved upon in lod not perfected, but impropved enough that this one can beat it more than once and let me tell you lod is one of my favorites  ;D

The levels have much better design in CV64 imo. They make more sense, and are laid out much more like what they're supposed to be. Forest of Silence doesn't have as much of the odd cliff scaling and resembles a forest much more than it does in LoD. The Tower of Sorcery in CV64 simply blows away the one in LoD. You should run through CV64 once just to say you've done it, and I think you may agree with me. I was disappointed they they overhauled the levels like they did.

I do agree with your other points though. CV64 was pretty messy, especially in terms of the camera.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 11, 2013, 07:54:29 PM
The less "realistic" penalties, the better. Now, I'm willing to let slide(though still dislike) fall damage taken by a HUMAN character. But a non-human, VAMPIRE, there is NO good reason to include such a thing. EVER! Alucard and this game's Dracula shouldn't get hurt if they fall the length of a skyscraper. They are fuckin VAMPIRES. There's no way to justify that while trying to demonstrate how badass the LoS versions of Alucard and Dracula are, because if you are a badass vampire and you still get hurt from falling, you aren't THAT badass. That's like a werewolf getting mortally wounded by tripping over a stuffed animal. That dog won't hunt, Monsignor!
This I agree with....mostly. Yes, humans should take fall damage, but I don't think that non-human characters should be immune to fall damage. They should still take it, but a lot less. For example, if a human would take 40 points of damage from falling a long way, a vampire character would only take 4 damage from a fall of the same height. Vampires and other non-humans are not invincible. They're just much more durable than humans and this would show that.
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Post by: DoctaMario on July 11, 2013, 07:59:06 PM
Those levels are the worst designed stuff I've seen in a AAA game. No surprise why people quitted there. The real game began  for me in the last level before Cornell, the jump in quality is at the same time astounding and baffling.

I almost felt like they designed those first three chapters with another game in mind. I was kind of on the fence about whether I liked LoS until I hit the 4th chapter. The Besieged Town seemed like it belonged but a lot of the Aghartian stuff up until Chapter 4 was kinda O_o
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Post by: Flame on July 12, 2013, 12:48:12 AM
I had no trouble with it. It was different, sunny, nice, yes, but Castlevania is no stranger to exploring other environments "en-route" to the castle, so I took it in stride. It wasn't all gloomy and dark, but it was still ancient ruins, which are definitely a staple of classicvanias. There was ONE scaling point I disliked though, because the sun was positioned just right so that it obscured the glowing grapple point, leaving me to wonder where I was supposed to go next.
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Post by: Pfil on July 12, 2013, 01:38:22 AM
Sounds like a porn game...
Hahahaha!

I'd buy that :P
Me too  :P

It's nothing personal, it's just that sometimes you complain about the most trivial things, you have the "OldKastlevania4lifezLoSZucksorrs" that most of this forum loves (avalanche of -1's? change that for +1's, I'm and old active member and my rep is the lowest of the bunch because, god forbid, I dislike some aspects of the old series and like some of the new, loving both.. well, except for mof).

See, the fall damage is a design choice, rules dont matter, and old Castlevania didn't have any /rules/, old Belmonts DROWNED after touching waters,there's no universal Castlevania "rule" see? sometimes it appears that you can't lose a chance for bashnig LoS even if you have to invent the most abstract stuff to prove your point, as a fan I have the right to feel offended, and note, I'd do the same if the same reasoning was used for critizising that way Ecclesia or Aria or Symphony or whatever (except PoR, tht game is inexcusable, and DoS is meh).

MoF focused in platfforming (bad o good you decide) and so they needed a penality for falling high heights, becasue, you know, that's failing in platfforming; the old games had insta deaths, MoF is not as punishing but it still had a penality, see? It's a design choice, the metroidvanias were not platfformers they focused in navigation and loot that's why they didn't have those restrictions, it's not about "rules" of a universe (being castlevania one of the most inconsistent ones ever created). But I don't hope I could change your mind as I see you are rooted in your beliefs, and that's fine, I salute you and applaud you, but mind you, you'll always have someone like me standing on the other side.
It's OK. It's just that there's lots of things in LoS that don't make sense the way I see it (especially the music, you can be sure about that).
And in this particular case, let me see how I can put in in simple words...

The way I see it, there are 2 ways to go in CV: you make the character fall into an abyss and it's death and returning to starting point (or check point, but not like in MoF because they were every 5 steps... see, I don't seek for it, the games themselves give me the chance to make critics), like in all ClassicVania, or you make the character fall into the first floor they land on, and nothing happens, like in all MetroidVania.

By the way, PoR is my favourite CV, but it's OK, I know I'm on the minority there.
And I'm glad it's nothing personal. I'm all into debating. With words.

Anyway, let's not make this a big deal. I don't have any problem, you are OK in my book  :)
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Post by: beingthehero on July 12, 2013, 05:09:17 AM
I dunno, I like PoR too. It gets a bum deal on here but it has a decent reputation on other forums
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Post by: Pfil on July 12, 2013, 05:15:49 AM
It has ratings of more than 8 points everywhere, but for some reason majority of CV fans seems to hate it. Kind of the other extreme of LoS, and being PoR my favourite one, it's completely understandable how I dislike LoS.
It's a matter of personal preferences. The same things I love about PoR are the things most CV fans hate about that particular game.
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Post by: crisis on July 12, 2013, 05:22:27 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Fnull_zps3266b9dc.jpg&hash=67f546828879035d3059a47cdb9a2c4b)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 12, 2013, 05:46:23 AM
Bringing this back to topic...

Here's a recent interview posted by Cox.
http://www.x360magazine.com/general/castlevania-dev-were-still-not-fully-exploiting-the-current-gen/ (http://www.x360magazine.com/general/castlevania-dev-were-still-not-fully-exploiting-the-current-gen/)
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Post by: uzo on July 12, 2013, 07:47:38 AM
Yeah, if they're only getting 30FPS max, then they aren't.
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 12, 2013, 07:52:26 AM
From Cox's Tiwtter: They were recording Jason Isaacs/Satan's voice today.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 12, 2013, 08:04:29 AM
From Cox's Tiwtter: They were recording Jason Isaacs/Satan's voice today.
Oh man my most anticipated perfomance. Isaacs is a A-tier actor (So are Carlyle and Stewart)
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Post by: Flame on July 12, 2013, 12:43:10 PM
Oh man my most anticipated perfomance. Isaacs is a A-tier actor (So are Carlyle and Stewart)
yeah, credit where credit is due, the voices they got for the LoS series were awesome. Isaac particularly chews up the scenery like noone's business. And of course Sir Patric Stewart, who goes into Shakespearean monologues about charades and masks.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 12, 2013, 01:15:13 PM
yeah, credit where credit is due, the voices they got for the LoS series were awesome. Isaac particularly chews up the scenery like noone's business. And of course Sir Patric Stewart, who goes into Shakespearean monologues about charades and masks.
No man on earth has pronounced "Charade" the way Patrick Stewart did, is up there with Michael Caine's "Tangerine".
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Post by: Pfil on July 12, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Aaah, those british actors like Michael Caine! Sophisticated and beautiful gentlemen.
That way of speaking makes any woman tremble.
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Post by: Bergaron on July 13, 2013, 08:08:23 AM
http://www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/?id=120834&sid=f2b9c65cfaa42d4f13b2e09f7b89de5c (http://www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/?id=120834&sid=f2b9c65cfaa42d4f13b2e09f7b89de5c)
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 13, 2013, 08:58:03 AM
Very informative video, game design is an amazing science. They are so proud of the camera lol

And BTW, I think the Void Sword is an homage to Soul Reaver.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 17, 2013, 03:43:36 AM
@CastlevaniaLOS Hi Mr Cox ! Glad to see Carmilla's back, any chance we can meet the new Belmont ? Or know his name ?
@Pierre_Jean_A - Soon

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Post by: The Puritan on July 17, 2013, 04:59:36 AM
My money's on a whole new Belmont much like Gabriel was. Let's hope that "Iga vetoed the use of Julius" rumor is true.
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Post by: crisis on July 17, 2013, 05:28:24 AM
David Belmont
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Post by: The Puritan on July 17, 2013, 06:16:55 AM
David Belmont

This reminds me of when POR was first announced. When some news site called Jonathan "David" and claimed the year was 1942.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 17, 2013, 07:51:36 AM
David Belmont
Ultra lol. Hey, it sounds good but still...
And Iga can't vetoe anything, as if the man had any power, what is he doing by the way? he can probably veto the use of the toilets at night, or something.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 17, 2013, 08:21:21 AM
Oh, right. I keep forgetting you work at Konami. :P
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Post by: Pfil on July 17, 2013, 11:09:17 AM
Dwayne Belmont.
Nickname included.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 17, 2013, 11:14:47 AM
Oh, right. I keep forgetting you work at Konami. :P
Not less than iga does.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 17, 2013, 11:43:12 AM
He's still employed there, though. :)
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 17, 2013, 11:50:11 AM
He's still employed there, though. :)
Then I need to know where is he, it always burns my heart when a high profile developer goes to obscurity, what happened to Castlevania hero Toru Hagihara? or worse, Masahiro Ueno? Those guys should be in charge of the series now. Perhaps not in a development place, but in a directive positions.

Edit: Well this is surprising, apparently Ueno (director of SCVIV) was in charge of the japanase localization of LoS. Bizarre.
And Hagihara (my favorite, I salute you San) is, well, a senior executive of Konami (Corporate officer).

So perhaps IGA was promoted as well?
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Post by: Pfil on July 17, 2013, 11:54:00 AM
Where are Sotaro Toshima and Yasuhiro Ichihashi?
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 17, 2013, 11:58:27 AM
Where are Sotaro Toshima and Yasuhiro Ichihashi?
Sotaro Tojima did Halo 4. He's in the big leagues now.

Ichihashi made the pachislots soundtrack (which are awesome) so he's like the only remaining Castlevania only composer out there.
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Post by: Pfil on July 17, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
Good for Sotaro! He deserved to be recognized by everyone.
And I guess that explains why the Pachislot soundtracks are so awesome.
I hope Konami retains him until a new japanese Castlevania is made.
Since Michiru's return is unlikely to happen, Yasuhiro would be perfect for the task.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 17, 2013, 02:02:08 PM
I think the "Who's who in Castlevania" article could use a little update. It's always neat to see people who worked on the series before make a reappearance. Sometimes also a little sad because a lot of great composers/artists only worked on one game.
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Post by: thernz on July 17, 2013, 02:51:28 PM
here's to missing you, soshiro hokkai
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Post by: Pfil on July 17, 2013, 04:52:03 PM
Sometimes also a little sad because a lot of great composers/artists only worked on one game.
Especially now, when I miss them so much.

here's to missing you, soshiro hokkai
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.castlevaniacrypt.com%2Fgames%2Fhod%2Fimages%2Ffurniture%2Fwizardsurn.gif&hash=5c85c98dcfe4399d77b782d638bb7602)
I adhere to that!
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 17, 2013, 05:15:11 PM
Eeehhh... HoD soundtrack is the bottom of the barrel of all Cv's... I know hardware limitations have a lot to do with it but the compositions were not impressive at all.

So by history we can say IGA was promoted? every past Castlevania producer is now a senior executive at Konami.

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Pfil on July 17, 2013, 05:21:44 PM
It took me a lot of time to understand what the progressive compositions in Harmony of Dissonance tried to do, but when I did it, I accepted it as just a strange CV soundtrack.
It still had the entrance theme and a couple more to add to my favourites folder.
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Post by: Flame on July 18, 2013, 12:49:27 AM
My money's on a whole new Belmont much like Gabriel was. Let's hope that "Iga vetoed the use of Julius" rumor is true.
People keep saying this as if he could do that. Unless he was in a high enough position, (like Inafune was at Capcom) he can't really "veto" the use of Konami's IP. He doesn't own the character. Konami does. (And even then, Inafune couldn't either, most he could do was push for games and such, or veto bad game concepts)

That said, I'm torn. on the one hand, I'd love to see another original Belmont, (and it would work out, starting the series with an original Belmont, and ending it with one) but at the same time, I'd love to see a re-imagined Julius, after Simon and Trevor.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 18, 2013, 01:12:46 AM
I think the actual wording by the source was "personal request".
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 18, 2013, 09:14:45 AM
I think the actual wording by the source was "personal request".
Do we have the source? Tell me it was not 4chan
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Post by: Nagumo on July 18, 2013, 09:51:04 AM
Same guy who leaked all the MoF info. It was on 4chan, but he was 100% correct last time.
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Post by: Pfil on July 18, 2013, 11:04:45 AM
People keep saying this as if he could do that. Unless he was in a high enough position, (like Inafune was at Capcom) he can't really "veto" the use of Konami's IP. He doesn't own the character. Konami does. (And even then, Inafune couldn't either, most he could do was push for games and such, or veto bad game concepts)

That said, I'm torn. on the one hand, I'd love to see another original Belmont, (and it would work out, starting the series with an original Belmont, and ending it with one) but at the same time, I'd love to see a re-imagined Julius, after Simon and Trevor.
Without digging again into music territory, I'd be curious to see a MS Julius, since they were indeed some things MS did well to my taste. For example, they have proven to be able to write compelling stories for Castlevania (like everything surrounding Gabriel's story), as well as coming out with some awesome artworks (like Trevor).
So yes, I'd like to see Julius in LoS 2, but only if that doesn't prevent Konami from making the 1999 game in the future.
A tragic story between Julius, Gabriel and Alucard with the same vibe of that in MoF involving Gabriel and Trevor/Alucard could turn out to be really good.
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Post by: Melanicus on July 18, 2013, 12:16:44 PM
Bunch of AWESOME new screenshots here:

http://gematsu.com/2013/07/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-comic-con-screenshots (http://gematsu.com/2013/07/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-comic-con-screenshots)

 ;D
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Post by: Inccubus on July 18, 2013, 12:24:32 PM
Well, if nothing else at least I can say this series does LOOK pretty awesome.
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Post by: crisis on July 18, 2013, 12:37:31 PM
So we know that for whatever reason Dracula uses the time machine located within his castle to travel back to when Carmilla was still human. But for what purpose? There's been theories that he tries to prevent them from becoming evil or himself turning into Dracula, but how can that be if he's still a vampire in modern times when he time travels when he's obviously still younger? I'm confused, and we must solve this mystery before the game is delayed then finally released.
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Post by: Pfil on July 18, 2013, 12:46:37 PM
If I have learned something from time travel movies is that logic never enters the equation.
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Post by: Kingshango on July 18, 2013, 12:48:44 PM
Hmm, that dragon like creature Dracula is fighting is called "A Daughter of Satan."
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Post by: Gecko on July 18, 2013, 03:47:59 PM
So I can't get over the hilarity of this image that the official Facebook page for Castlevania: Lords of Shadow posted:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg833%2F3923%2Fucrn.jpg&hash=f281adb0360e3416ed1df1d92b2e3053)

The caption reads: "We're at Comic Con asking fans/heroes/villains which weapon they are more excited for: Void Sword or Chaos Claw? Looks like Vader has decided to decimate the Rebel defenses with his Chaos Claw! Which would you wield?"

The irony is Konami's social network people probably have no idea how appropriate this image is. The parallels make this image priceless.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 18, 2013, 04:12:27 PM
Those screens oh god oh god...

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgematsu.com%2Fgallery%2Falbums%2Fcastlevania-lords-of-shadow-2%2Fjuly-18-2013%2FCastlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2_2013_07-18-13_004.jpg&hash=9b5ae845d9ee8e89dd7ee77bec5a038b)

Well, I'm intrigued.
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Post by: thernz on July 18, 2013, 04:16:27 PM
how will lords 2 expand upon the critically successful chess mini-game
stay tuned to find out...
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Post by: Pfil on July 18, 2013, 04:50:31 PM
So I can't get over the hilarity of this image that the official Facebook page for Castlevania: Lords of Shadow posted:

The caption reads: "We're at Comic Con asking fans/heroes/villains which weapon they are more excited for: Void Sword or Chaos Claw? Looks like Vader has decided to decimate the Rebel defenses with his Chaos Claw! Which would you wield?"

The irony is Konami's social network people probably have no idea how appropriate this image is. The parallels make this image priceless.
I've always thought that Gabriel is to LoS what Darth Vader is to the Star Wars saga (6 movies).
The only thing missing is Cox saying "Lords of Shadows is the story of the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Sk- I mean, Gabriel Belmont."

That's not a bad thing at all, in my opinion.
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Post by: flyingchai on July 18, 2013, 04:57:01 PM
Quote
So we know that for whatever reason Dracula uses the time machine located within his castle to travel back to when Carmilla was still human.

If you go to the Konami Media site, all the pics have captions. The caption of the screengrab with Carmilla bowing to Dracula is "I destroyed you a long time ago." I don't think it's because of time travel that she's there...I interpret the caption as Dracula thinking "WTF, how are you alive even though I killed you?"

Since Marie also seems to be alive too, I'm thinking the God Mask has something to do with this.

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Post by: Gecko on July 18, 2013, 06:28:30 PM
I'm still standing by my theory from a few months ago that the young versions of characters we've already met are actually recreations of them made by the toymaker.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 18, 2013, 06:58:16 PM
So, there is a neogaf rumor saying that a version of Mirror of Fate and the LoS ultimate edition is coming to PS3/360 in october in the anniversary of the first game. 

Hype? Hype.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 18, 2013, 07:22:53 PM
So, there is a neogaf rumor saying that a version of Mirror of Fate and the LoS ultimate edition is coming to PS3/360 in october in the anniversary of the first game. 

Hype? Hype.
Rumor originated here:

http://www.gamekult.com/actu/castlevania-mirror-of-fate-les-versions-hd-en-vue-A110290.html (http://www.gamekult.com/actu/castlevania-mirror-of-fate-les-versions-hd-en-vue-A110290.html)

Wonder if it's legit. Would be interesting to see an HD MoF, especially after Capcom's  announcement of the new Metroidvania Strider game at Comic-con(for home consoles, no less).
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Post by: uzo on July 18, 2013, 07:24:11 PM
Not hype. But if MoF has it's framerate issues fixed, then I'll probably give it a good go at completion.
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Post by: Belmontoya on July 18, 2013, 07:31:05 PM
It would be nice just to try MOF on a big screen. I would maybe give it a second chance. I wonder if this means it will come out on the Vita as well?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 18, 2013, 08:26:17 PM
It shoulda came out on the Vita in the first place, but alas, that would've meant I had to purchase a Vita, so I can't complain.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on July 18, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
I think MoF should have been developed directly for a home console in the first place.
And they must make enemies take less hits and get rid of most check points.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on July 18, 2013, 09:48:24 PM
Certainly. I didn't find my 3DS so I'd rather buy MoF in HD like it was originally meant to be played as. DLCs are welcomed if they've worthwhile content which I doubt they'll provide, let alone that there even will be a DLC for this game.

Those screens oh god oh god...

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgematsu.com%2Fgallery%2Falbums%2Fcastlevania-lords-of-shadow-2%2Fjuly-18-2013%2FCastlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2_2013_07-18-13_004.jpg&hash=9b5ae845d9ee8e89dd7ee77bec5a038b)

Well, I'm intrigued.

Pan confirmed, Black Knight confirmed, Chupacabra confi- FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In regards to the new screenshots where Gabriel is caressing now-defeated Holy Carmilla's cheek, I can see some sort of lov- Lust Interest between Carmilla and Gabriel... Maria cheated on Gabriel, therefore he now cheats on her. Pretty fitting...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on July 18, 2013, 10:55:43 PM
Trevor looks like a girl
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on July 18, 2013, 11:47:50 PM
Trevor looks like a girl

Still less bishounen than Kojima's Belmont
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 19, 2013, 12:58:47 AM
Trevor looks like a girl

He's eyes and lips need some work.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on July 19, 2013, 01:08:01 AM
Those new screens are nice, I love the design of the characters and of the castle environment.

Also, November 2013? Or just a rumor?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 19, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
So, there is a neogaf rumor saying that a version of Mirror of Fate and the LoS ultimate edition is coming to PS3/360 in october in the anniversary of the first game. 

Hype? Hype.
A little hype. Just a bit.

Only if it goes PC as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 19, 2013, 02:02:22 AM
Trevor looks like a girl

It's because he is young, and there are some boys who look like girls when they are young.
Anyway, I have this feeling that "young Trevor" is not Trevor.

I want those chess pieces!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on July 19, 2013, 11:29:21 AM
look amazing, but make no mistake, are images of the PC version. In console I would be happy if you reach 30 fps, but after seeing the GTAV I believed everything in this current generation of consoles.

P. D. Gran Turismo, GTAV, LOS2 ... I think the PS4 and XBone going to wait half a year at least.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 19, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
Female LoS cosplay!

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q73/s720x720/1002318_10153020462735697_1672540710_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/971327_10153020464345697_172435264_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on July 19, 2013, 03:10:12 PM
Noice!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 19, 2013, 09:02:16 PM
Hey, anyone got that "everyone goes apeshit when someone mentions Lords of shadow" image? I seem to have lost mine
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on July 19, 2013, 09:25:12 PM
So, there is a neogaf rumor saying that a version of Mirror of Fate and the LoS ultimate edition is coming to PS3/360 in october in the anniversary of the first game. 

Hype? Hype.

I hope is true and I wonder about the price. MoF will be the perfect digital title for $15.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 20, 2013, 08:51:24 AM
Too bad MoF has no replay value, or else I'd re-buy it. And I'm in the minority that actually liked the game.

Anyone remember that supposed leaked Chapter List for LoS2? Although it was most likely fake, a lot of the chapter names sounded pretty cool and I hope some of them actually made it into the game. I recall one being named "Legion," and the final chapters hinted at Dracula going into Hell. One chapter should be called "Pandemonium" (the capital of Hell from the poem Paradise Lost)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 20, 2013, 08:53:15 AM
Calling it now, final battle with Satan will either

A: be in that posh penthouse/office we saw,

or

B: be in fucking Hell.

And both are awesome.

Well, fighting Satan in Hell would be considerably MORE awesome, but still.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on July 20, 2013, 10:04:47 AM
Too bad MoF has no replay value, or else I'd re-buy it. And I'm in the minority that actually liked the game.

Anyone remember that supposed leaked Chapter List for LoS2? Although it was most likely fake, a lot of the chapter names sounded pretty cool and I hope some of them actually made it into the game. I recall one being named "Legion," and the final chapters hinted at Dracula going into Hell. One chapter should be called "Pandemonium" (the capital of Hell from the poem Paradise Lost)
DO you have it around? if it coinciedes with what we've seen so far that would be interesting
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on July 20, 2013, 01:10:18 PM
Alright, so we have a unholy vampiric "HIDURO SOTOROMU".

Second, we've got Holy Terror over here. Forgotten One, Satan or some Random
Demon.

Third, some more kick ass architecture.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Melanicus on July 20, 2013, 01:13:16 PM
HOLY SHIT  :o

I hope that second one is Satan's second form ::crosses fingers:: .

(I think it is. Notice the staff he has? Looks like the one Satan had in LoS.)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on July 20, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
True, but the background looks like the end of resurrection DLC and he looks all beat up as well. I'm sayin' forgotten one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on July 20, 2013, 04:11:11 PM
Im gonna be in the camp that say that horned dude is Satan, or at least one of his super demons.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 20, 2013, 06:24:33 PM
Im gonna be in the camp that say that horned dude is Satan, or at least one of his super demons.
I'm guessing that it's Satan at his true and full power in Hell. I remember hearing something that when we fought him in LoS1 he was in a weakened state and that's why he was after the God Mask. After all, if Satan was the way he was in LoS1 when we fight him in LoS2, we would slaughter him as Dracula. Yeah, that horned demon has to be Satan. I would be very disappointed if it wasn't.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on July 20, 2013, 06:28:26 PM
Hey, anyone got that "everyone goes apeshit when someone mentions Lords of shadow" image? I seem to have lost mine

Can't seem to find it. Sorry.

Remade it here: http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4965.msg139337.html#msg139337 (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4965.msg139337.html#msg139337)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on July 20, 2013, 06:36:51 PM
I'll have to disagree, I think that's a minotaur.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 20, 2013, 06:37:30 PM
I really don't think they'll reveal Satan's "true" form this early. UNLESS he's fought early in the game and there's a new final boss (which I hope)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on July 20, 2013, 07:49:47 PM
Hey, anyone got that "everyone goes apeshit when someone mentions Lords of shadow" image? I seem to have lost mine

I made another one. Love these things.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcastlevaniadungeon.net%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D4965.0%3Battach%3D3268%3Bimage&hash=4ccd1805de98972bc4f8f051f88fc27c)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on July 20, 2013, 09:58:32 PM
Those pic's make me laugh for no reason.

On another note, a new preview from GI that goes beyond the demo:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/20/surviving-dracula-s-castle-in-lords-of-shadow-2.aspx#comments (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/20/surviving-dracula-s-castle-in-lords-of-shadow-2.aspx#comments)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 20, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
Can't seem to find it. Sorry.

Remade it here: http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4965.msg139337.html#msg139337 (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4965.msg139337.html#msg139337)
Thaaaanks. I think I made the original... But I never bothered saving it lol.

Also, i can't wait for LoS2. i mean man. LoS was hype, but LoS2 seems even MORE hype.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 20, 2013, 10:38:21 PM
I'll have to disagree, I think that's a minotaur.
This! He reminds me of the Minotaur in Harmony of Dissonance:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inverteddungeon.com%2Fimages%2Fbosses%2Fminotaur.gif&hash=302fcbdf843fb04ff13c603e1b934506)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on July 21, 2013, 12:00:58 AM
Third, some more kick ass architecture.

The first impression upon seeing the mansion ... ALONE IN THE DARK 1 pc 1992 ... good memories.

It looks like a mansion just outside the castle (seen the way the castle in the background) probably any city park.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on July 21, 2013, 08:23:43 AM
I don´t known that in E3 was 2 diferent demos.

From a user of Neogaf:

"The LOS2 demo at E3 was actually on PC AND consoles. The first time I played it, I was at one of the lower stations, and I couldn't help but notice how terrible it looked..muddy textures, jaggies, low framerate..but while I was playing, I kept looking past my demo station to the person playing on the row above me, and it clearly looked vastly better on their demo station. Once I had finished, I walked up there and, sure enough, that row of demo stations had little tags on them that said "PC DEMO". They were using 360 controllers, though. But The PC version looked simply astounding. Completely fluid, smooth, no jaggies, and high res textures. The difference between that demo station and the XB360 one on the row below was night and day.
Interestingly, I asked one of the devs if there were any plans to release the game on PS4/Xbone, and they just said "Well, nothing's been announced yet..."
Which leads me to believe that they will be putting it out on next gen consoles. The game is supposed to release in December? I can't imaging them releasing it after the new consoles are already out, and not planning on a port. With as good as that PC demo looked, it'd be a shame if they didn't.
"

Source: http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=592401&page=2 (http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=592401&page=2)

just as I feared, the 360 can not handle the game .. good I had thought affects the PC version from the beginning
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on July 21, 2013, 09:09:28 AM
"Dracula then unleashes a few devastating attacks on the golem and performs a final quick time event to finish him off."

lel
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 21, 2013, 11:08:35 AM
"Dracula then unleashes a few devastating attacks on the golem and performs a final quick time event to finish him off."

lel
Yeah, that and the whole parkour leaping from falling debris to falling debris, which I don't doubt will be QTE too. Tisk tisk tisk...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 21, 2013, 12:39:52 PM
Yeah, that and the whole parkour leaping from falling debris to falling debris, which I don't doubt will be QTE too. Tisk tisk tisk...
Hasn't the gaming industry learned that gamers for the most part don't like QTEs? I mean there are some exceptions, but for the most part, QTEs in games suck. If they are put into the combat and you are given enough time to react, like in KH2, No More Heros, and Mad World, then that's fine. But in my experience, most QTEs are terrible. Oh, and lets not forget the ones in RE4. Those are the worst example of hard bad QTEs can be.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on July 21, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
You wanna bad example of QTE's?

One word: RYSE.

Even a developer of God of War was offened by the amount of QTE's in that E3 demo.

And the best part? You don't even have to press a button to finish them, the game does it by itself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on July 21, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
Hello, new here... here's something interesting to read about LOS2

http://www.destructoid.com/new-lords-of-shadow-2-gameplay-emphasizes-exploration-258489.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/new-lords-of-shadow-2-gameplay-emphasizes-exploration-258489.phtml)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on July 21, 2013, 03:04:22 PM
"This desire to prevent Dracula’s escape culminates in a battle with one of Dracula’s former minions, the vampire orc. This battle was particularly gruesome as the foe is able to knock you down and drive a sword straight through your chest, requiring a series of button presses to remove the sword and beat back the enemy."

The saga continues...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on July 21, 2013, 03:20:37 PM
The QTE Saga?
Would've been nice if THERE they used the real Olrox (not that stupid knockoff from the first game, but the actual Olrox).
Not just "Vampire Orc".  Seriously, Orc? C'mon, fuggetaboutit!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on July 21, 2013, 03:38:27 PM
It's official name is Vampire Warrior, not Vampire Orc though. Althought it does look orcish.

Wish I could post the picture of him but I can't atm but he's seen in the trailers getting a mouthful of sword.

Anyhow, im surprised people out surprised that QTE's are returning. I thought it was a foregone conclusion by now. Hell everything from the first game is returning, shimmying, plank walking (although there's no need to balance yourself) orchestral hollywood esq music. The only things that are different are the camera control, the void and chaos powers and it's open world.

I say expect the expected when it comes to this game and nevermind the unexpected.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on July 21, 2013, 03:47:51 PM
It's official name is Vampire Warrior, not Vampire Orc though. Althought it does look orcish.

Wish I could post the picture of him but I can't atm but he's seen in the trailers getting a mouthful of sword.
Yeah i've seen it it looks cool, we already know how lesser vampires look in loS
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 21, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
It's official name is Vampire Warrior, not Vampire Orc though. Althought it does look orcish.

Wish I could post the picture of him but I can't atm but he's seen in the trailers getting a mouthful of sword.

Anyhow, im surprised people out surprised that QTE's are returning. I thought it was a foregone conclusion by now. Hell everything from the first game is returning, shimmying, plank walking (although there's no need to balance yourself) orchestral hollywood esq music. The only things that are different are the camera control, the void and chaos powers and it's open world.

I say expect the expected when it comes to this game and nevermind the unexpected.
Not surprised, but disappointed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on July 21, 2013, 10:38:43 PM
Errrrrrr, the Vampire "ORC" you can see in all trailers of LOS2... is cool... Gabriel jump and kill him with the void sword.. seriously, it's a good design, I do not see the problem....

On the other hand seems to be no time travel, young Trevor is a "ghost" of the castle (Carmilla?). I guess all the current state of the castle is related to the Toymaker, I guess that Gabriel has to regain all his power. The game looks good, although I do not like the white wolf was Gabriel (I know I know, it was obvious from the medallion) but still thought it might be Alucard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on July 21, 2013, 11:06:17 PM
Not surprised, but disappointed.

Quote
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.playscope.com%2FWskins%2Fskin2011%2Fimages%2Fall_medias%2F2012%2Fcastlevanialordsofshadow2%2Fgaleries%2Fartworks2%2Fcastlevanialordsofshadow2_artworks2_0002.jpg&hash=9d1a21eb2bd13912417614f6f26b2b38)

Eh not that bad, cool, even.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 22, 2013, 02:48:12 AM
Dropping a Carlyle interview.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/21/how-robert-carlyle-influenced-the-design-of-castlevania-39-s-dracula.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/21/how-robert-carlyle-influenced-the-design-of-castlevania-39-s-dracula.aspx)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Koutei on July 22, 2013, 02:48:49 AM
Dave Cox: Lords of Shadow 2 is 'the last one for us'
Next Castlevania will have to come from new team
http://www.destructoid.com/dave-cox-lords-of-shadow-2-is-the-last-one-for-us--258461.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/dave-cox-lords-of-shadow-2-is-the-last-one-for-us--258461.phtml)

Once we’ve done that, it’s time to say to somebody else, 'now it’s your turn.' Maybe it will be a young producer in the company looking for his first break. I think you’ve got to bring in fresh blood.

Young producer, first break and fresh blood. What kind of the future Castlevania comes?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on July 22, 2013, 06:35:20 AM
^OH YES
Or hagihara could return, I wouldn't be mad at all.
(click to show/hide)

Hope they get to an awesome neew team of young people that can take care of the series for a long time, hopefully a multicultural one (a mix of japan and west) and of course an ambitious scope.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on July 22, 2013, 06:39:04 AM
I think that IGA's time to make the 1999 demon castle wars game, and that's it. Mercurysteam is doing a great job with Castlevania and from this time on, ''seriousness'' should be in the games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on July 22, 2013, 08:39:01 AM
Im all for new fresh developers working on Castlevania after LOS2 is done instead of just giving it back to IGA, hell the first Castlevania was practically done by young college graduates. But if he does come back. (and that's a big IF at this point) he can only do the Demon Castle War. No more bs, no prequel to Dracula's Curse, no sequel to SOTN, no filler story about Jonathan going to Vietnam to track down Dracula's castle in the jungle then coming back home with a very bad case of PTSD, which turns out to be Dracula's spirit tormenting his dying soul as a twist and call it "Castlevania Heart of Darkness."

It's Demon Castle War of 1999 or bust.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on July 22, 2013, 09:11:05 AM
Some of Mercury Steam's character designs/art direction + game design that is actually Castlevania = good to go.

I just hope LoS didn't convince Konami people enjoy QTEs and any other notes taken from God of War as the new idea of what Castlevania is. I would be more than OK with IGA's team back with an actual budget so they could create the 1999 game we've all been clamoring for for years.

If Konami is going to be done with the original timeline, then I hope we can finally see it off with the climatic game we've all been dreaming of.

Quote
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 producer Dave Cox has dropped hints that Konami is looking beyond Mercury Steam’s game by stressing that the publisher has to make further improvements in the ‘next one’. He added that Mercury Steam will not be involved in the unannounced project.

Worst case scenario: Someone else makes another sequel in the LoS series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on July 22, 2013, 09:33:53 AM
So it seems Cox is still overseeing the series then huh?

Not sure what to feel about that tbh, but hey a least we're getting a new developer working on a new Castlevania, here's hoping for Wayforward.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on July 22, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
Double Helix or Ninja Theory would be the top two worst candidates to take over the series. Give it to From Software or Platinum Games.

After Mirror of Fate, I am really going to miss Mercury Steam's art direction. They gave us the best Simon, Trevor, Alucard, and Dracula designs to date. Even the beastiary looked great. Honorable mention to the Night Watchman, probably one of the coolest looking bosses in the whole series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on July 22, 2013, 10:10:04 AM
My bet, a young and new Japanese team of Konami. And the game "Demon Castle War" or a prequel to this (to finish in the following), bet on safe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on July 22, 2013, 10:11:25 AM
Double Helix or Ninja Theory would be the top two worst candidates to take over the series. Give it to From Software or Platinum Games.


It's no secret by now that Konami goes for the cheap developers to work on their games. So the top worst candidates to us may be the top best candidates in Konamii's eyes. Im not sue how expensive From is but Platinum only got MGR because Kojima, their golden goose, requested it. So unless Kojima has any input, Castlevania could go to the worst developers in the world and Konami wouldn't give a single fuck.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 22, 2013, 10:24:06 AM
I don't care which developer takes the series next, I just want them to return to the classic canon. And no, 1999 isn't the only story that's left untold.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on July 22, 2013, 10:51:36 AM
I don't care which developer takes the series next, I just want them to return to the classic canon. And no, 1999 isn't the only story that's left untold.

I'd like that too but it's ultimately up to Konami to decide and they've made some great decisions so far so im hoping for the best.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on July 22, 2013, 11:54:47 AM
Please soft reboot, let IGA or whatever make his 1999 game and close that clusterfuck of timeline, and let's start a new, perhaps an "all stars" timeline with only the most important classic chapters, remade, of course, and I personally am all for a new unexperienced studio.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 22, 2013, 12:08:45 PM
I can't be the only one that's tired of reboot after reboot, AKA the "easy way out." And personally I'd rather have an experienced studio that knows how to make a good platformer than an inexperienced one.


Games that can be added to the "Akumajo Dracula" canon:
- 1999
- 1897 (Bram Stoker's Castlevania)
- ReBirth 2: Belmont's Revenge
- a game featuring an adult Soleiyu Belmont
- Dracula's Curse Chronicles
- 300 unknown years of vampire slaying Belmonts, or other heroes. This period can have 5 games AT LEAST. Games that wouldn't be restricted to the "100-year rule." Games that don't even have to have a specific year, they could be left ambiguous like OoE.
- a game that has the next Dark Lord Alucard hints at that will emerge at the end of DoS


Stop being so close-minded.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 22, 2013, 12:12:28 PM
Like I mentioned in the Atlus bankruptcy thread, I wouldn't mind if Konami buys them out, and gives them a shot to do something creative with the series. If there's anyone who could produce an unique, challenging Castlevania RPG with an actual decent story, it's them. Plus, they already have a lot of experience with occult related games.
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Post by: Dremn on July 22, 2013, 12:12:37 PM
Games that can be added to the "Akumajo Dracula" canon:
- 1999
- ReBirth 2: Belmont's Revenge
- Dracula's Curse Chronicles
- a game that has the next Dark Lord Alucard hints at that will emerge at the end of DoS
Any of these would be good, especially ReBirth 2.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 22, 2013, 12:18:27 PM
I can't be the only one that's tired of reboot after reboot, AKA the "easy way out." And personally I'd rather have an experienced studio that knows how to make a good platformer than an inexperienced one.


Games that can be added to the "Akumajo Dracula" canon:
- 1999
- 1897 (Bram Stoker's Castlevania)
- ReBirth 2: Belmont's Revenge
- a game featuring an adult Soleiyu Belmont
- Dracula's Curse Chronicles
- 300 unknown years of vampire slaying Belmonts, or other heroes. This period can have 5 games AT LEAST. Games that wouldn't be restricted to the "100-year rule." Games that don't even have to have a specific year, they could be left ambiguous like OoE.
- a game that has the next Dark Lord Alucard hints at that will emerge at the end of DoS


Stop being so close-minded.
No, you stop. You simply can't get a game with a deep storyline that is preceed with 20 of superficial/holed storyline. And do you think Konami will make a sequel to a game 10? 20 years old? Very unlikely.
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Post by: Pfil on July 22, 2013, 12:38:20 PM
I can't be the only one that's tired of reboot after reboot, AKA the "easy way out." And personally I'd rather have an experienced studio that knows how to make a good platformer than an inexperienced one.

Games that can be added to the "Akumajo Dracula" canon:
- 1999
- 1897 (Bram Stoker's Castlevania)
- ReBirth 2: Belmont's Revenge
- a game featuring an adult Soleiyu Belmont
- Dracula's Curse Chronicles
- 300 unknown years of vampire slaying Belmonts, or other heroes. This period can have 5 games AT LEAST. Games that wouldn't be restricted to the "100-year rule." Games that don't even have to have a specific year, they could be left ambiguous like OoE.
- a game that has the next Dark Lord Alucard hints at that will emerge at the end of DoS
I'm TIRED of reboots, not only in Castlevania, but in everything. They are stupid when compared to what it used to be. I liked it when everything was part of the same thing.
And of course, in CV's particular case, that reboot brought with it some radical changes that maybe changed the future of the franchise for good.

By the way, any of those games from your list would be awesome.

Like I mentioned in the Atlus bankruptcy thread, I wouldn't mind if Konami buys them out, and gives them a shot to do something creative with the series. If there's anyone who could produce an unique, challenging Castlevania RPG with an actual decent story, it's them. Plus, they already have a lot of experience with occult related games.
I'm all for CV RPG!  :)

I don't care which developer takes the series next, I just want them to return to the classic canon. And no, 1999 isn't the only story that's left untold.
Me too, just let them do what they must do and there will be no complains.

I think that IGA's time to make the 1999 demon castle wars game, and that's it. Mercurysteam is doing a great job with Castlevania and from this time on, ''seriousness'' should be in the games.
Serious, epic and with Hollywood music. That's a bright future for CV.

No, you stop. You simply can't get a game with a deep storyline that is preceed with 20 of superficial/holed storyline. And do you think Konami will make a sequel to a game 10? 20 years old? Very unlikely.
So, when Cox told us to forget everything we knew about Castlevania, he meant forever.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 22, 2013, 12:39:48 PM

So, when Cox told us to forget everything we knew about Castlevania, he meant forever.
They could remake (not reboot) the old timeline, trimming the fat, this time with actual writers. That's the ideal case, really.
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Post by: crisis on July 22, 2013, 01:19:40 PM
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You simply can't get a game with a deep storyline that is preceed with 20 of superficial/holed storyline.

Last I checked most CV fans don't seem to care about a deep storyline, however the LoS sub-series was for those that DID want a deep storyline. Classic canon timeline was doing just fine where storytelling was concerned. As far as I know there's no plotholes, just unanswered questions.

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And do you think Konami will make a sequel to a game 10? 20 years old? Very unlikely.

People thought Capcom making a side-scrolling Strider 3 was not just unlikely, but near-impossible. Anything can happen, no one here has the right to say "they'll NEVER do that," because you just flat-out don't know. Kid Dracula ReBirth could be revealed next year. Anything's possible. The games I listed were just a few possibilities they can use, right off the top of my head, so there's no excuse from anybody to say "there's nomore room in the timeline though!!" Konami even toyed around with the idea of supporting both the LoS & Akumajo Dracula timelines concurrently. They also thought about doing yet ANOTHER reboot, then reboot it again & again with each game, like Final Fantasy. Which may or may not be a good thing.


And I disagree that the timeline is too cluttered. If we had a timeline that had a minimum of 5 Dracula resurrections in each century leading up to 1999, that's when I'll call it a "clusterfuck." Even so, Dracula IS immortal, so it wouldn't be that long of a stretch to have him keep coming back over & over, if that was the case. But for the most part, he stays dead, or dormant, for at least 50 years give or take before he returns between games.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 22, 2013, 01:30:45 PM
Strider HD isn't Strider 3, is it? It's a reboot, actually. So yeah.

Also we don't know for sure if most Castlevania fans like story or don't. I like the old timeline but it feels a little.. old, and every new game in that timeline must carry that burden, and it willl feel old.

I say the timeline is a clusterfuck because

- they lessened the belmonts
- it's not clear if the 100 years rule exist or not
- even if it did the times don't match up
- No one has a consistent personality.
- anachronisms ahoy.
- every game with "a premise" has the same story "hero must avenge/save his wife/lover/brother" and ends having the power to kill EVIL DARK LORD OF DARKNESS DRACULA (that hasn't done a single thing ever) after getting betrayed.
- Even IGA said it was a mistake to release the timeline because he doesn't care about story and ran out of places to making more games (read: SOTN clones).
- IGA doesn't have idea how to make that 1999 game.

It's a nice, hold dear and missed clusterfuck, but still a clusterfuck.
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Post by: Thomas Belmont on July 22, 2013, 01:38:54 PM
Was a video to the follow up of Lords of Shadow 2 shown? IGN says that the game was teased.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/konami-hints-at-next-castlevania-game (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/konami-hints-at-next-castlevania-game)
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 22, 2013, 01:40:11 PM
Was a video to the follow up of Lords of Shadow 2 shown? IGN says that the game was teased.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/konami-hints-at-next-castlevania-game (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/konami-hints-at-next-castlevania-game)

Apparently. So Cox will act as an executive producer a la Kojima in LOS1?
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Post by: Thomas Belmont on July 22, 2013, 01:45:25 PM
Apparently. So Cox will act as an executive producer a la Kojima in LOS1?

I can't tell if they mean there was an actual trailer or if it was just talked about. I think it was just briefly mentioned. However, I got really excited for a minute.
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Post by: crisis on July 22, 2013, 01:58:03 PM
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Strider HD isn't Strider 3, is it? It's a reboot, actually. So yeah.

That's not the point. You're saying it's unlikely for a company (in this case, Konami) to revisit old games/stories. Strider HD is proof that it's possible, not just for Capcom, but for most other gaming companies. There are many other examples of this.

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Also we don't know for sure if most Castlevania fans like story or don't.

Of course we like story, but I just don't think it's a dominating make-or-break deal for most of us. Of course I can't speak for everbody, so this is just my opinion. It's the gameplay, classicvania or metroidvania

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I like the old timeline but it feels a little.. old, and every new game in that timeline must carry that burden, and it willl feel old.

I don't understand. Are you saying the canon games "feel old" because they take place centuries in the past, or "feel old" graphics-wise, or story-wise, or it's been continuous from 1986 to 2008? A rebooted timeline would prolly take place centuries in the past too. Can I ask, what would be the difference if a new team develops a canon game that takes place in the year 1597, or a new team that makes a non-canon/rebooted timeline game in the year 1597? Using your logic, would one feel "older" than the other to you, just because it belongs to a legacy? Would you automatically like the "new timeline" 1597 game over the "canon timeline" 1597 game just because it doesn't have the burden of fitting into that legacy?

If they were to remake Dracula's Curse into a Chronicles-style game via DXC, would it still "feel old" since it's a canon game?
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 22, 2013, 02:05:07 PM
That's not the point. You're saying it's unlikely for a company (in this case, Konami) to revisit old games/stories. Strider HD is proof that it's possible, not just for Capcom, but for most other gaming companies. There are many other examples of this.
But... they are not revisiting the old story.. they are doing exactly what I'm suggesting, a soft reboot, a refinement/remake of the old stories. Actually, I can think of an example of what you're saying.. Curse of Darkness. And Portrait of Ruin. You know how that turned out.

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I don't understand. Are you saying the canon games "feel old" because they take place centuries in the past, or "feel old" graphics-wise, or story-wise, or it's been continuous from 1986 to 2008? A rebooted timeline would prolly take place centuries in the past too. Can I ask, what would be the difference if a new team develops a canon game that takes place in the year 1597, or a new team that makes a non-canon/rebooted timeline game in the year 1597? Using your logic, would one feel "older" than the other to you, just because it belongs to a legacy? Would you automatically like the "new timeline" 1597 game over the "canon timeline" 1597 game just because it doesn't have the burden of fitting into that legacy?
Simple, the old games were made ina  different time with the spirit of that time. Say, someone makes a sequel to harmony of Dissonance, hardcore fans sure, will be impressed, but the other 80% of game sales public what? They would be scratching their minds, whi is juste belmont, who is simon belmont, etc. They just won't bother. And tell me that if said story was ultra deep serious wouldn't feel forced knowing which kind of game it comes from? it will. Now, if someone makes a remake of HoD with expanded story and stuff, say, it's the fourth game on a series that starts with a Cv3 remake that has a prologue telling the LoI story, people will feel better and the games less "heavy" on old knowledge and most importantly, modern, as like it or not "story driven" is the present.

To put it simple for you, a game in the old canon will relegate the franchise to its pre 2008 niche again. Because those are the only ones who know the other 25 games of that canon, made worse by the achronological order.
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Post by: uzo on July 22, 2013, 02:07:52 PM
I don't mind a proper reboot of the series, just as long as they tie up the 1999 thing.

The 1999 game may not satisfy us after all the super hype, but it needs to happen. Somehow, though, deep down I don't think it was ever meant to happen. It was just a backdrop to Aria, in a way.

If they reboot the series again though, I want something much closer to the original. A somewhat re-imagined, condensed, timeline. Bring back all the major players, add a few newcomers, wipe the extended cast clean, and give the stories a steroid shot while they're at it. Just keep the same sense of character and atmosphere the series has been known for.
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Post by: Dremn on July 22, 2013, 02:10:06 PM
I was under the impression David was always a producer at Konami. Wasn't he credited in several games before LoS?
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 22, 2013, 02:14:26 PM
I don't mind a proper reboot of the series, just as long as they tie up the 1999 thing.

The 1999 game may not satisfy us after all the super hype, but it needs to happen.
I agree, I need closure damn it!

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Somehow, though, deep down I don't think it was ever meant to happen. It was just a backdrop to Aria, in a way.
no doubts about it
I was under the impression David was always a producer at Konami. Wasn't he credited in several games before LoS?
Symphony and chronicles, yes, it seems he's Mr Castlevania now.
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Post by: crisis on July 22, 2013, 02:33:45 PM
Quote from: uzo
If they reboot the series again though, I want something much closer to the original. A somewhat re-imagined, condensed, timeline. Bring back all the major players, add a few newcomers, wipe the extended cast clean, and give the stories a steroid shot while they're at it. Just keep the same sense of character and atmosphere the series has been known for.

It is what it is. If they do decide to reboot or remake the timeline, then fine. As long as we keep getting more CV then I'm happy. But if they do that, and decide to "change everything up AGAIN, reset everything back to 0 and forget what you knew AGAIN," like LoS originally did, then that'd just be a wasted effort imo. At least Strider HD looks like it's in tune with the previous games. It's not trying to be something different than what it is. Hiryu doesn't look like somebody else or anything. If they were to reboot the timeline, then do it right. Don't make it unrecognizable just for the sake of it.

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To put it simple for you,

There's no need, I know exactly what you're saying. I'm just trying to point out making a canon game isn't as complicated as you're trying to make it seem. I disagree making a canon game would regress the series to a "niche" fanbase again. I don't think anybody would be scratching their minds "who is Juste Belmont??" cuz he's just the character they're playing as, if they want more info, they can consult the internet or more likely, the game itself will reveal to the player who he is, where he's from, etc. Most CV games in the passed 25 years are self-contained anyway, you don't HAVE to know all of them to enjoy one of them. They each have their own stories, many of the prologues states all you have to know without going into details. And if anything, that could be considered a GOOD thing for Castlevania, since that would only encourage newcomers to go back & discover the classics, to find out for themselves "why is X related to Y? I've never heard of the game they referenced, so maybe I should check it out."


So yeah. Canon games are just as possible as non-canon games. I don't buy the "but they won't make sense business-wise, the timeline is too cluttered, newcomers will be confuzzled, etc." argument(s) at all.
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Post by: Pfil on July 22, 2013, 03:14:03 PM
They could remake (not reboot) the old timeline, trimming the fat, this time with actual writers. That's the ideal case, really.
I wouldn't be happy with just remakes. They would be the same that DXC was. I want NEW stages and NEW music. Especially music. Castlevania music, that is.
The old games are fine just the way they are and I can pick up and play them whenever I want to.
With the current state of things, I am so terribly afraid that all future games will have Araujo-like soundtracks, that a remake would be OK. Just OK.
But that is not what I want.
Nor is it just one or two games like Megaman 9 and 10. Megaman hardcore fans had to wait like 20 years to have 2 games and then the franchise died.
I want a new game with proper aesthetics and soundtrack every 1 or 2 years.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 22, 2013, 03:25:12 PM
As much as I like the older games and the old timeline, because of IGA's method of making games (gameplay first, then shoehorning it into the time line), everything in the old timeline feels a little forced and while there are gaps that have potential, I guess it's a little too messy. Not to mention that only the older hardcore fans who have been with the series from the beginning (or close to it) could really appreciate them.

I have come to the opinion that what is best for the series after LoS2 is for someone else to take over and reboot the series again. That being said, if there is another reboot, I would hope that it would at least resemble the old timeline except not as long and more organized. I would also hope that whoever gets it next actually cares about the story as much as they do the gameplay.

Maybe, the series could go the way of the final fantasy series in which each game is independent of the others. No stories expanding over who knows how many games. One game, one story. This way is someone new comes along with their own ideas, it wouldn't affect the other games. This is probably the way most series should be.
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Post by: Pfil on July 22, 2013, 03:37:39 PM
I never really cared about the story.
I want the old timeline to return because it is identified with a look and sound.
It would be nice to have some characters returning, sure, but that's not what is about for me.
Still, they have the alternate timelines that they can add games to (CV64/LoD, CotM, Legends...).
Or they can remake a game like in SCVIV or X68000, that essentially tells the same story of Simon vs. Dracula but with new stages and new soundtrack.
If they decide to reboot but they copy any game from 1986-2008 that's perfect for me.

And about new fans, at risk of sounding disrespectful (though I guess no one would feel offended here), I don't care about new fans. At all.
We are the life long fans. And we are the only fans that care.

And finally, Final Fantasy lost its identity many, many years ago.
It was not because of every game being self conclusive stories, but for going a way that is very similar to what we are seeing with CV. Make what most people would care and forget about fans.

I still remember playing FF6 (FF3 here) as a kid, as being so blown away by its perfection! I wanted a new FF game so bad! I went on and played most of the other FF games I could.
And when I finally got a Playstation, like in 2001, I finally had FF7, and... wow, that really, really sucked. One of the biggest disappointments in my life playing games.
After that, my hopes were gradually decreasing until some years ago, I just stopped caring about FF. Sure, there are some OK FF games, but never again something like FF3, 4, 5 or 6.
Something similar to what happened to me with Sonic and Megaman.

And that is my enormous fear about Castlevania.
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Post by: beingthehero on July 22, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
The biggest mistake people seem to make with the old canon is regarding the timeline as something that must be adhered to when even IGA said in '08 it no longer mattered. OoE was completely self-contained even though it was in the same universe as the other games. We all knew it was part of the same universe as SotN and Bloodlines, but its exact placement in the timeline was barely discussed. Nobody even knows what specific date it's in, other than it being the 1800s. It was the same with Judgment. I imagine if IGA continued work on the series, then we'd have many more self-contained storylines without adhering to a greater timeline. While it might have made sense in 2002 to put out a timeline to make sense of all the games, he said in '08 that was a big mistake since the stories began having to work around the rapidly-reducing spaces of time that were left. Thus, the stories ignored the timeline and became 'hey Dracula is up to some shit again, better stop him.'

This actually was closer to the spirit of the 8-bit days when it was Simon constantly fighting against Dracula, even though the first game said Drac came back every 100 years (a rule promptly ignored by CV2). Heck, even the American adverts for CV Adventure said it was Simon fighting Dracula yet again, notwithstanding SCIV's Americanized story saying it's the third time Simon fights Drac. Dude couldn't catch a break.

ANYWAYS

I'm digging the detailed graphics for 2Lords2Shadow, but man. I am not digging those enemies. Seriously, Orcs (sorry, VAMPIRE WARRIORS)? They were no good in Curse of Darkness, and not good here. I'm getting CoD vibes from the enemies and not in a good way.

Still I like the architecture of the castle. I've had it preordered for a bit now, so I'm still looking forward to it.

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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 22, 2013, 05:07:43 PM
They could remake (not reboot) the old timeline, trimming the fat, this time with actual writers. That's the ideal case, really.
I could go for that. Keep the base idea of events, weed out the 'extra' stories that don't really contribute much and also add NEW stories to enrichen the new continuity. I would say, keep Trevor(1976), Christopher(1576), Simon(1691) and Richter(1792). Quincy Morris could either be cut or kept(keeping Stoker's Dracula as a part of the CV). Stuff that would be cut, naturally, would be LoI(perhaps make CV3's events the TRUE origin and keep Dracula as Vlad III, like my pitch, perhaps work in a little bit of history by including Radu and Mircea). That would also mean no CoD, no Belmont's Revenge, no Simon's Quest, no HoD, no SotN(gasp), no OoE, no PoR(if Quincy is kept, I wouldn't mind keeping Bloodlines, or perhaps merging the two games into one story that spans two generations). Other than that, all else will be left open. Concepts like the hundred-year rule (and if the Morris clan are kept, the whole "Morris clan are inferior and die if they try to use the Vampire Killer") will be written out.

Other than that, keep the basic visual style and classic styled music. Also dip into the wide assortment of classic CV monsters. I want to see Mummies, Frankenstein Monsters, Phantom Bats, Medusa Heads, Bone Pillars/dragons and such. Also, keep it the "hero's series", keep the focus on the Belmonts. Flesh out Dracula's backstory, sure, but keep the focus on what the Belmont family goes through.
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Post by: SaibotMK on July 22, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
Has their been any confirmation on if their will be a dash teleport of some kind, projectiles like fireballs etc?
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Post by: Flame on July 22, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
Has their been any confirmation on if their will be a dash teleport of some kind, projectiles like fireballs etc?
he seems to have a mist form or something, but it might be context specific.
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Post by: SaibotMK on July 22, 2013, 05:31:15 PM
he seems to have a mist form or something, but it might be context specific.

That is disappointing
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Post by: Nagumo on July 23, 2013, 02:15:22 AM
Maybe, the series could go the way of the final fantasy series in which each game is independent of the others. No stories expanding over who knows how many games. One game, one story. This way is someone new comes along with their own ideas, it wouldn't affect the other games. This is probably the way most series should be.

This is my prefered course of action. However, I think that if the developers would like to make several games in a continuity, they should be allowed to do so. Nothing as big as the classic canon, but maybe a duology, or a trilogy; something like that.

I really wouldn't be interested in alternate continuities that rehash old characters and plot lines. I mean, everybody and their mom wants to create their own take on Alucard, but eventually you just get sick of it. Circle of the Moon took a pretty good approach. They wanted to create a completely new world, but the only characters they carried over were Dracula and Carmilla. The rest is original material. No Belmonts, no Vampire Killer, the setting is Austria even. Despite that, it still holds true to the aesthetics of the series. That's how I feel they should handle this multiverse approach.           
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 23, 2013, 03:18:04 AM
I keep hearing about reboots and the only thing that's coming on my mind is the rumor about Batman movies getting another reboot. Just what the f@$k? You've just reboot something and then you are going to reboot it again? This is so wrong..................worst than recycling sprites if you ask me. Why? What will happen if the new reboot doesn't meat their expectations again? They will do a third reboot? So now the series have become a guinea pig?
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Post by: JR on July 23, 2013, 03:56:02 AM
This is my prefered course of action. However, I think that if the developers would like to make several games in a continuity, they should be allowed to do so. Nothing as big as the classic canon, but maybe a duology, or a trilogy; something like that.


I agree with this, too. This would work best for the series, I think. That way Dracula seems less like an obnoxious uncle that just comes around every once in a while, annoys everyone, then gets kicked out of Christmas or whatever. He gets defeated, but not over and over again in the same timeline. Not the only benefit to having separate stories, but a good one nonetheless.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 23, 2013, 05:51:57 AM
Personally, I'm all for "Guinea Pig Vania". Having the same people dictate a series for a long period of time rarely is a good thing. Even if the new direction is widely appected and loved such as Symphony of the Night and Co., it tends to reach its peak very early on.

This may be a bit of a shocking confession, but I think in hindsight of what came later, I wouldn't have minded if they had stopped with Metroid-style map based games after Aria of Sorrow. I feel it along with Harmony of Dissonance and Symphony are the ones that executed the concept the best. Portrait and Dawn are not bad games by any stretch, but they just sit there being gimmicky without actually surpassing its predecessors in meaningful aspects. The only game I would have regretted missing out on would have been Order of Ecclesia because it made combat more challenging and satisfying.

Plus, you always have people who don't like the current direction and complain. It would be fun not to see the fanbase divided in camps, but instead have people develop more personalized preferences. That way everybody can be more relaxed about the whole thing since the series would be constantly changing, perhaps settling temporarily on a certain gameplay system or art direction, but also moving on when needed.             
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 23, 2013, 07:04:52 AM
I keep hearing about reboots and the only thing that's coming on my mind is the rumor about Batman movies getting another reboot. Just what the f@$k? You've just reboot something and then you are going to reboot it again? This is so wrong..................worst than recycling sprites if you ask me. Why? What will happen if the new reboot doesn't meat their expectations again? They will do a third reboot? So now the series have become a guinea pig?
That's the state of the world we are in. Reboot is modern society's magic reset button. Pretty soon, we're going to get to a state where parents are going to be upset how their kids turn out and say, "Let's reboot them!", having another child and disowning the one that didn't live up to their expectations.  ;D Reminds me of King of the Hill how Hank never lived up to Cotton's dream, so when he had the other kid decades later, he named him "Good Hank"(as original Hank was bad and a failure in his eyes). Hey, it's a slippery slope.

One thing I think makes reboots worse is the whole trilogy thing. If you reboot something and make it a trilogy, you are only fortelling your eventual end, because a trilogy is a close-ended thing. So, what happens when you end it and people want more? It's almost FORCING another reboot. I say, just don't say anything. Don't proclaim you are making a trilogy. Just fuckin' make as much as you want or CAN. If the series falters, it falters, but I'd rather have that open freedom of ideas rather than keeping within a stricted limit as that of a "trilogy".
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Post by: crisis on July 23, 2013, 07:40:17 AM
In my humble opinion, I feel the "Final Fantasy" route where each game is it's own self-contained universe like Mai Waifuu Nagumo described is better left off as "Gaiden" style games. I like continuity, how the Belmont legacy can show repercussions centuries down the line. If the series goes the "Final Fantasy" route, then there would be none of that, no feeling of connection other than characters in name only & perhaps music. Granted that style offers more freedom for the developers to do what they want without worrying about adhering to continuity, but what I feel makes CV special is that there's been an effort to keep everything connected somehow, albeit loosely/indirectly but you know the bloodline(s) still find a way to persist.

I feel the best approach would be how OoE did it, by making games that leave the specific year ambiguous. Leave us guessing when said story takes place, yet it's not tied down & set in stone like all the other games are. And at the same time develop Gaiden games that take place outside the "main universe," like LoS and CV64.

Also, like my man DragonSlayr81 says, I'm also tired of reboot after reboot. The past decade has been nothing but reboots not just with games but with multiple forms of media. I know reboots been going on for over 20 years but recently they've been non-stop & I think it started to really go into overdrive when Batman Begins was released o__o
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 23, 2013, 12:31:46 PM
By saying guinea pig and reboot, i mean that if every time you ditch the elements from previous games and do something that has 0-2% from what previous games they were known, then only the name remains. A good example? Alundra with Alundra 2. They are 2 different games, if you take the name out from Alundra 2, you will barely find anything to remind you Alundra. I'm not against reboots, but only if they are done correctly.
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Post by: Pfil on July 23, 2013, 12:46:54 PM
I could go for that. Keep the base idea of events, weed out the 'extra' stories that don't really contribute much and also add NEW stories to enrichen the new continuity. I would say, keep Trevor(1976), Christopher(1576), Simon(1691) and Richter(1792). Quincy Morris could either be cut or kept(keeping Stoker's Dracula as a part of the CV). Stuff that would be cut, naturally, would be LoI(perhaps make CV3's events the TRUE origin and keep Dracula as Vlad III, like my pitch, perhaps work in a little bit of history by including Radu and Mircea). That would also mean no CoD, no Belmont's Revenge, no Simon's Quest, no HoD, no SotN(gasp), no OoE, no PoR(if Quincy is kept, I wouldn't mind keeping Bloodlines, or perhaps merging the two games into one story that spans two generations). Other than that, all else will be left open. Concepts like the hundred-year rule (and if the Morris clan are kept, the whole "Morris clan are inferior and die if they try to use the Vampire Killer") will be written out.

Other than that, keep the basic visual style and classic styled music. Also dip into the wide assortment of classic CV monsters. I want to see Mummies, Frankenstein Monsters, Phantom Bats, Medusa Heads, Bone Pillars/dragons and such. Also, keep it the "hero's series", keep the focus on the Belmonts. Flesh out Dracula's backstory, sure, but keep the focus on what the Belmont family goes through.
That sounds good in theory.

The negative aspect about that (and a huge one) is that we aren't getting new characters, new stages and new soundtracks. It will be the same as DXC over and over. The main reason I never really cared about DXC is exactly that. It doesn't have anything new. It's kind of like buying a Bluray re-release of an old movie that I saw in a VHS as a little girl, to see the same but in better technical quality.

Not to mention (and this is only personally speaking) that if you leave LoI, CoD, PoR, OoE, SotN, Simon's Quest, Belmont's Revenge and Bloodlines out of it you are leaving almost all of the best out (to my taste, this is only me speaking, I know most people feels differently).

That's the state of the world we are in. Reboot is modern society's magic reset button. Pretty soon, we're going to get to a state where parents are going to be upset how their kids turn out and say, "Let's reboot them!", having another child and disowning the one that didn't live up to their expectations.  ;D Reminds me of King of the Hill how Hank never lived up to Cotton's dream, so when he had the other kid decades later, he named him "Good Hank"(as original Hank was bad and a failure in his eyes). Hey, it's a slippery slope.

One thing I think makes reboots worse is the whole trilogy thing. If you reboot something and make it a trilogy, you are only fortelling your eventual end, because a trilogy is a close-ended thing. So, what happens when you end it and people want more? It's almost FORCING another reboot. I say, just don't say anything. Don't proclaim you are making a trilogy. Just fuckin' make as much as you want or CAN. If the series falters, it falters, but I'd rather have that open freedom of ideas rather than keeping within a stricted limit as that of a "trilogy".
Excellent comparation that one about parents and kids. And that was a great episode!
I think I would have died of sadness to this point if my only hope hadn't been thinking "Endure it the best you can, MS is leaving when the 3rd game is done".
Which brings me to the exact opposite...

In my humble opinion, I feel the "Final Fantasy" route where each game is it's own self-contained universe like Mai Waifuu Nagumo described is better left off as "Gaiden" style games. I like continuity, how the Belmont legacy can show repercussions centuries down the line. If the series goes the "Final Fantasy" route, then there would be none of that, no feeling of connection other than characters in name only & perhaps music. Granted that style offers more freedom for the developers to do what they want without worrying about adhering to continuity, but what I feel makes CV special is that there's been an effort to keep everything connected somehow, albeit loosely/indirectly but you know the bloodline(s) still find a way to persist.

I feel the best approach would be how OoE did it, by making games that leave the specific year ambiguous. Leave us guessing when said story takes place, yet it's not tied down & set in stone like all the other games are. And at the same time develop Gaiden games that take place outside the "main universe," like LoS and CV64.
I remember having the feeling of "eternity". I don't know other way to put it. I wasn't even a teenager when SotN came into my life and shaped everything about me. From that day, it was game after game, more of that kind of game I loved so much. Almost every year a new one. Every time I was playing a new game I had the peace in my mind the in a year, or year and a half, a new one was coming. I want that feeling back, among other things.
If they keep changing developers we would be getting always something different, and we will never feel the security that our beloved franchise will never stop coming out / will never change its core / etc..

By saying guinea pig and reboot, i mean that if every time you ditch the elements from previous games and do something that has 0-2% from what previous games they were known, then only the name remains. A good example? Alundra with Alundra 2. They are 2 different games, if you take the name out from Alundra 2, you will barely find anything to remind you Alundra. I'm not against reboots, but only if they are done correctly.
That's exactly what's been happening these last years.
If they don't return now to the old Castlevania, they will never do, unless eventually 1 or 2 times like with Megaman 9 and 10, which is sad.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 23, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
By saying guinea pig and reboot, i mean that if every time you ditch the elements from previous games and do something that has 0-2% from what previous games they were known, then only the name remains. A good example? Alundra with Alundra 2. They are 2 different games, if you take the name out from Alundra 2, you will barely find anything to remind you Alundra. I'm not against reboots, but only if they are done correctly.

Well, I definitely don't want that to happen. I was more thinking along the lines of Castlevania becoming a meta franchise with several sub-series and one-shots running concurrently. Perfect example: Megami Tensei. It has more spin-offs that you can count on one hand but you can definitely tell they're all related. At the same time they can be quite diverse as well. For example, they could have a sub-series with only classic-style games, but also a sub-series that does something original, and  a metroid based series if there's still demand for it, an RPG series (my personal desire), you name it.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 23, 2013, 01:42:30 PM
Well, I definitely don't want that to happen. I was more thinking along the lines of Castlevania becoming a meta franchise with several sub-series and one-shots running concurrently. Perfect example: Megami Tensei. It has more spin-offs that you can count on one hand but you can definitely tell they're all related. At the same time they can be quite diverse as well. For example, they could have a sub-series with only classic-style games, but also a sub-series that does something original, and  a metroid based series if there's still demand for it, an RPG series (my personal desire), you name it.


What i want is some really good platforming/exploration, like LoD and the style of music the series are known for.
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Post by: Pfil on July 23, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Exactly.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 23, 2013, 05:30:52 PM
Well, I definitely don't want that to happen. I was more thinking along the lines of Castlevania becoming a meta franchise with several sub-series and one-shots running concurrently. Perfect example: Megami Tensei. It has more spin-offs that you can count on one hand but you can definitely tell they're all related. At the same time they can be quite diverse as well. For example, they could have a sub-series with only classic-style games, but also a sub-series that does something original, and  a metroid based series if there's still demand for it, an RPG series (my personal desire), you name it.
I love you. The Shin Megami Tensei parallel is great and I'd love for it to be the case.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 23, 2013, 07:35:11 PM
I love you. The Shin Megami Tensei parallel is great and I'd love for it to be the case.
It would be the only way to appease EVERYBODY, yet I just can't see Konami doing it. Shin Megami Tensei series, as a whole, introduced this early on. I think CV is too far along in it's years for people to accept this as a new standard. Also, I doubt Konami would want to spend that much effort in strengthening the series. They are probably going for the straightforward reboot to reboot. Much less baggage, and the fans won't be guessing, "So, does this take place after this? Why does THIS one say it happened this way when the other one says it happened THAT way?!". Not to sound harsh, but I just don't think have enough patience(or brain power) to piece together a meta-mutliverse. It's all about the fast thrills. Kill the current continuity(in this case, LoS), and start anew. No "But how does this fit in with LoS?" questions. Get all that out of the way in the announcement.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on July 23, 2013, 09:55:18 PM
Maybe Konami will promote europeans to continue making CV games, I mean, I really like past CV gamesv (SotN, CotM, HoD, AoS, etc) but, the story got really silly. Japanese developers has made the story like that and tried to make each castlevania game another SotN. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the new direction CV games may take. If they are good, of course.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 23, 2013, 10:34:25 PM
Maybe Konami will promote europeans to continue making CV games, I mean, I really like past CV gamesv (SotN, CotM, HoD, AoS, etc) but, the story got really silly. Japanese developers has made the story like that and tried to make each castlevania game another SotN. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the new direction CV games may take. If they are good, of course.
It's less a problem of japanase developers and more of a problem of who was in charge those years, Silent Hill for example is a brillaint story and was made by japanese, and many many other examples, leaving "all behind" is a little rude and disrespectful but I'd love for the series to get the best aspects of each era and mix them continously, as many ther have said, the last thing we need is to be stuck in a single style again!
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Post by: Pfil on July 23, 2013, 11:43:44 PM
Maybe Konami will promote europeans to continue making CV games, I mean, I really like past CV gamesv (SotN, CotM, HoD, AoS, etc) but, the story got really silly. Japanese developers has made the story like that and tried to make each castlevania game another SotN. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the new direction CV games may take. If they are good, of course.
Yeah, I will forget about what I love the most in the world (past CV games) and embrace the new direction (which I currently hate).
Good for you if you like the current direction, I just want the return of what Castlevania was in the period 1986-2008.
I won't engage in another discussion, however, about Japanese vs. Western developers.
Japanese have proven to be masters of everything they do sometimes, but along came the west with things like Bioshock Infinite or The Last Of Us, so, though I prefer japanese, in the end it's all a matter of who develops the game, and not if they are from here or there.
All I hope is the next studio does things really differently than what MS did, and more like Castlevania, especially when it comes to music.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 24, 2013, 02:48:49 AM
It would be the only way to appease EVERYBODY, yet I just can't see Konami doing it.


I know. You're probably right. Not sure why I'm setting myself up for massive disappointment. (´;ω;`)

Shin Megami Tensei series, as a whole, introduced this early on. I think CV is too far along in it's years for people to accept this as a new standard.

It's a bit unfortunate that "Akumajo Dracula X" never stuck--as the "X" was supposed to be indictive of Symphony's spin-off status--, because then they would have neatly divided the series in three chunks. The fact that they recently used the Lords of Shadow label might suggest they want introduce the concept of subheadings. But who knows?       

Also, I doubt Konami would want to spend that much effort in strengthening the series. They are probably going for the straightforward reboot to reboot. Much less baggage, and the fans won't be guessing, "So, does this take place after this? Why does THIS one say it happened this way when the other one says it happened THAT way?!". Not to sound harsh, but I just don't think have enough patience(or brain power) to piece together a meta-mutliverse. It's all about the fast thrills. Kill the current continuity(in this case, LoS), and start anew. No "But how does this fit in with LoS?" questions. Get all that out of the way in the announcement.

Well, not sure how reliable it is, but recently someone here posted a conversation with somebody from MercurySteam, and supposedly it was decided that they want to get rid of a permanent storyline. It's of course just a rumor, but assuming it's legit, I could definitely see Castlevania going the same route as Shin Megami Tensei. 
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Post by: Thomas Belmont on July 24, 2013, 07:49:00 AM
It's a bit unfortunate that "Akumajo Dracula X" never stuck--as the "X" was supposed to be indictive of Symphony's spin-off status--,   

I never understood this. Rondo of Blood, Akumajou Dracula X:Chi no Rondo, is clearly a direct sequel to prior games. Why the X in its name?
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on July 24, 2013, 08:34:29 AM
Technically MegaManX is also a sequel series, not truly a spin-off.
I guess it was that kind of mentality?

Neither one of the games was the 'tenth' game, either... well, not really.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 24, 2013, 08:45:18 AM
I thought symphony was Castlevania X for "10"
- Castlevania
- Simon's Quest
- Castlevania III
- Super CV IV
- Dracula X
- Rondo of Blood
- Castlevania MSX
- The Adventure
- Belmont's Revenge
- Symphony of the Night
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Post by: Nagumo on July 24, 2013, 09:10:36 AM
Rondo is the tenth game in the series.

Castlevania
Vampire Killer
Simon's Quest
Haunted Castle
The Adventure
Castlevania III
Super Castlevania IV
Belmont's Revenge
Akumajo Dracula X68000
Rondo of Blood
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 24, 2013, 09:15:59 AM
Better yet, Rondo is X too, and symphony is the sequel to rondo so, I dunno.
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Post by: Lelygax on July 24, 2013, 09:48:47 AM
Better yet, Rondo is X too, and symphony is the sequel to rondo so, I dunno.

Think of it as Megaman X, like Jorge said.

Also this X thing started because this way they could try new things without fear, IGA said that not me. X started this anime thing, item crash and Belmonts doesnt being the main focus anymore (Maria isnt like these chars in CV3 anymore, you can play all the game only with her and they even made a joke final only for her).

But it seems that after these "tests" became a sucess, it was greenlight has the new model for Castlevania's titles.
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Post by: Bergaron on July 24, 2013, 09:56:48 AM
Neogaf is burning with the future of CV.
Too fanaticism on all sides, and there are more than two sides ..
I think Konami has nothing to lose, whatever you do will be severely criticized by one side or the other.

After LOS2 Konami would have to say which is the team that gets CV

LOS1 PC, adapted it to PC by a team (think Irish) who works hard for Konami ... maybe it's an option, I think they did things with Silend Hill.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 24, 2013, 10:15:23 AM
You mean Konami will lose whatever they do.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 24, 2013, 10:50:30 AM
The rumor about Julius being cut off from the game out of IGA's respect CONFIRMED
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One thing I will say about Mr. Igarashi is that there were certain things we didn’t want to do in our game because we felt it was stepping on his toes. Out of respect. I can’t tell you now, but there was a certain thing that we were going to have in this game that I felt was going too far, it was encroaching on his universe. I didn’t want to do it purely because if he had the opportunity to do another title, it’s his baby and it’d be wrong for us to do that. We set out our story, we’re separate, this is our take. Whatever happens next, it’s not up to me.
http://www.destructoid.com/digging-deeper-into-lords-of-shadow-2-with-dave-cox-258628.phtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.destructoid.com/digging-deeper-into-lords-of-shadow-2-with-dave-cox-258628.phtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
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Post by: Kingshango on July 24, 2013, 10:52:32 AM
You stole my thunder, I was gonna post that! >:(

Joke aside, it's nice to know that IGA is still doing at least something at Konami besides fetching coffee. And that's quite humble of Cox to respect IGA's wishes to not include certain characters and events.

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Post by: Lelygax on July 24, 2013, 11:41:06 AM
IGA is whipping everyone thats not using 100% of their potentital to work, so yes, he still do some important things.
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Post by: Bergaron on July 24, 2013, 01:09:04 PM
The rumor about Julius being cut off from the game out of IGA's respect CONFIRMEDhttp://www.destructoid.com/digging-deeper-into-lords-of-shadow-2-with-dave-cox-258628.phtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.destructoid.com/digging-deeper-into-lords-of-shadow-2-with-dave-cox-258628.phtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

These words of Cox, sound like they didn´t want to play much the work of Igarashi, because Igarashi still has something to say in upcoming titles ..
Hopefully soon because I sold the 3DS and I bought a Vita... now is the most expensive paperweight I've had ...
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Post by: crisis on July 24, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
Excerpt from a 2005 interview:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Figa.png&hash=80f31591279279ac63a9921c040bb910)
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Post by: Neobelmont on July 24, 2013, 01:26:48 PM
I thought symphony was Castlevania X for "10"
- Castlevania
- Simon's Quest
- Castlevania III
- Super CV IV
- Dracula X
- Rondo of Blood
- Castlevania MSX
- The Adventure
- Belmont's Revenge
- Symphony of the Night

IIRC in the iga gamecenter cx interview the X represented that they could do anything and that's why they put it there.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 24, 2013, 01:34:50 PM
IIRC in the iga gamecenter cx interview the X represented that they could do anything and that's why they put it there.
Well that was what Iga said but both Rondo and Symphony were made by Hagihara, not him. But yeah that's prbobably the reason, kinda like MegamanX.
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Post by: Neobelmont on July 24, 2013, 02:04:49 PM
Well that was what Iga said but both Rondo and Symphony were made by Hagihara, not him. But yeah that's prbobably the reason, kinda like MegamanX.

Right his would be wife worked on rondo and he entered SOTN later on did he not?
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Post by: uzo on July 24, 2013, 04:04:39 PM
Quote
When Robert Carlyle did that scene, he was really crying, and it was quite powerful.

... Seriously?
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Post by: crisis on July 24, 2013, 05:07:57 PM
i shed a few tears when Aerith died #dontjudgeme

also when Yoko was stabbed
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Post by: Munchy on July 24, 2013, 05:20:27 PM
I think Jim Sterling inadvertently described the problem with LoS's plot in one of his videos. There is absolutely no idyllic or happy time seen in the game; it's all sadness all day erry day, so there's really nowhere to fall from. The fall is what makes tragedy work.

Also the number of friends and family Gabriel kills is just getting funny at this point.
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Post by: Lelygax on July 24, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
They have the perfect chance to do this now, atleast with flashbacks that will do little impact, but is better than nothing.
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Post by: Kingshango on July 24, 2013, 06:35:57 PM
That's one big grip I have with Gabriel's story, it's that we never see Gabriel in a happier place. I wish we could have seen him grow up to become the Brotherhoods finest warrior and falling in love with Marie. Instead they just drop the character on us and tell us "It's all in the manual, well most of it!"

And I agree with Lelgax, they now have a chance to do this with the phantoms of Trevor and Marie roaming around. So maybe we'll get those moments of tranquility, even for a little bit.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 24, 2013, 07:19:11 PM
I think Jim Sterling inadvertently described the problem with LoS's plot in one of his videos. There is absolutely no idyllic or happy time seen in the game; it's all sadness all day erry day, so there's really nowhere to fall from. The fall is what makes tragedy work.

Also the number of friends and family Gabriel kills is just getting funny at this point.
Just watched it:

Jimquisition: Crying Through The Laughs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5a_LiiC92I#ws)

Brilliant points made!!

I think, esepcially with CV, it would be beneficial to see WHAT exactly is at stake. A dark, evil threat looms, be it Dracula or Satan. What of this world we are bound to save(either as Belmont, or in LoS, Dracula)? Seeing that other side is something I've personally had in mind. I remember, years ago, I wrote a couple of CV stories(fanfics) that start off really light-hearted. One(that revovles around two Belmont brothers) starts off in a field of flowers where the brothers fool around as their girlfriends sit back and laugh at their brotherly rough-housing. Another, which was about the time before CV1, showed Simon at the Easter festival with his girlfriend(named her Serena after Haunted Castle) and her little sister, who gets Simon to folk-dance with her. Basically a time of great celebration and happiness, that eventually is crashed after Dracula sends his forces into the village.

I think it's a trend, like Jim hints out. People get enamoured with "dark" stories, I think companies tend to think, "Well, if people like dark, tragic stories, let's JUST give them that! As it is, if they like tragic ideas within a lighter story, if we just cut out the lighter parts and just go ALL OUT dark, they'll like it even MORE!". Y'know, it's basically a flawed means of trimming the fat. It's kinda like, "Oh, people love the cream in the center of the Oreos! Let's forget the chocolate cookies and just sell the CREAM!". Just... LOL! IMO, it's flawed logic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on July 24, 2013, 07:31:53 PM
That why Ryukishi's (Higurashi & Umineko) works are successful, even if its simplistic it have a good story that have lighthearted parts and then tragedies, we can really sympathize with these characters and fell their human part. Without that its like a robotized plot.

Im not saying that you need to follow instructions to make a game, but atleast you need to understand that people need motivation to continue a adventure. If its only important for the character but is boring for the player, the story have holes or is just plain bad.
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Post by: Dominus on July 24, 2013, 08:05:43 PM
That's one big grip I have with Gabriel's story, it's that we never see Gabriel in a happier place. I wish we could have seen him grow up to become the Brotherhoods finest warrior and falling in love with Marie. Instead they just drop the character on us and tell us "It's all in the manual, well most of it!"

And I agree with Lelgax, they now have a chance to do this with the phantoms of Trevor and Marie roaming around. So maybe we'll get those moments of tranquility, even for a little bit.

Yep. While LoS I prefer LoS story, I felt MORE with OoE story with just text and a image of a smiling Shanoa.

LoS "tell instead showing" problem is what made Gabriel's fall from grace look underwhelming too.
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Post by: Kingshango on July 24, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
Yep. While LoS I prefer LoS story, I felt MORE with OoE story with just text and a omage of smiling Shanoa.

LoS "tell instead showing" problem is what made Gabriel's fall from grace look underwhelming too.

I'll go as far as to say that Trevor/Alucard in MoF was better written than Gabriel.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 24, 2013, 09:23:15 PM
I'll go as far as to say that Trevor/Alucard in MoF was better written than Gabriel.
Absolutely, Alucard arc has been the best story that has come from the reboot, I absolutely understand him as a character adnd his motivations, I'm not that clear with Gabriel, yet.
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Post by: Lelygax on July 24, 2013, 09:45:19 PM
Absolutely, Alucard arc has been the best story that has come from the reboot, I absolutely understand him as a character adnd his motivations, I'm not that clear with Gabriel, yet.

"Perhaps the same could be said of all timelines."
Alucard started to give the old timeline more focus in story, the same happened in this timeline too, isnt it ironic? xD
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Post by: Bergaron on July 24, 2013, 11:53:59 PM
LOS2 have some moments of humor, not many and subtle, but there are references.
I just hope that have some internet memes like "I'm Alucard .... Bitch!"  ;D ;D ;D

I like the story sad and hard to LOS. But ok I guess to end the saga could at least save one of the characters and have a happy ending, or at least Gabriel find redemption with God and so would close the sub-series.

The saga will end clear (speak of a final game engine scenes more than 10 minutes ...). The only option that would leave Konami for the future in LOS would make a PRE-LOS.

Regarding the future, I say what I want (does not have to be what will happen ..)
- I want a game for my VITA, SOTN style but with the graphics of MoF, I mean the style of combat, jump and SOTN rpg, but the visual aspect and art of MoF and of course in high resolution..
- The classic music, I like a lot the music of LOS but in a portable console and for a 2D game that music does not work...
- I would like the castle was random, was perfectly which is very difficult to make an elegant and detailed game besides random instances. (Diablo 3 is the best example, not end of being random in this version), but I would like a random castle.
- I want a deeper story and compact as LOS, too simple and sometimes simply references in others CV, FULLY UNDERSTANDABLE by the era in which they were made. Now we want a little more style TV series, with betrayal, love affairs, unexpected twists ... works ..
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Post by: Nagumo on July 25, 2013, 02:30:54 AM
... Seriously?

That was my reaction, too. I had to snicker when I read that.

That why Ryukishi's (Higurashi & Umineko) works are successful, even if its simplistic it have a good story that have lighthearted parts and then tragedies, we can really sympathize with these characters and fell their human part. Without that its like a robotized plot.

Yes, excellent point. Final Fantasy V is one of the most lighthearted in the series, but when one of the main characters suddenly dies it's actually a bit sad. Not saying that it keeps you up at night, but at least it makes you feel something. Meanwhile, people drop dead left and right in LoS, but why should you care?     
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 25, 2013, 02:31:47 AM
Right his would be wife worked on rondo and he entered SOTN later on did he not?

Yup. He was working on Tokimeki Memorial but he would spend time playing Rondo where he met his future wife.

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When Robert Carlyle did that scene, he was really crying, and it was quite powerful.
... Seriously?

Knowing the way Robert Carlyle acts, that is very much possible. He really immerses himself into the shoes of his characters. It's called "Method Acting", though Carlyle hates that term.

Alucard started to give the old timeline more focus in story, the same happened in this timeline too, isnt it ironic? xD

Yeah. Maybe that was the intention of MoF from the start.

The saga will end clear (speak of a final game engine scenes more than 10 minutes ...). The only option that would leave Konami for the future in LOS would make a PRE-LOS.

I hope that long ending scene is void of button presses...
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 25, 2013, 02:58:09 AM
All I would need to be happy is:
- the LoS Saga ends, it is a good trilogy with an interesting take on Castlevania's lore, and nobody else touches it once it's done.

Then choose one:
- Konami asks one studio (veteran or new) to make their own CV game (2D, 3D, or anything else that looks/plays/sounds like CV).
- Konami asks their own studio to continue the old timeline (SotN clones, or anything else that looks/plays/sounds like a "traditional timeline CV game").
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Post by: Dremn on July 25, 2013, 07:00:38 AM
The rumor about Julius being cut off from the game out of IGA's respect CONFIRMEDhttp://www.destructoid.com/digging-deeper-into-lords-of-shadow-2-with-dave-cox-258628.phtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.destructoid.com/digging-deeper-into-lords-of-shadow-2-with-dave-cox-258628.phtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Holy shit.

This is probably the best news I've heard concerning Castlevania this Summer. David Cox and Mercury Steam just got a tremendous amount of respect from me for this, Julius Belmont should be IGA's achievement alone and no one else's. Good on them. :)

Now this begs the question, will there be a Belmont in LoS2 now? Or will Alucard fill the role instead since he is also Trevor? The only Belmont that would work would be Richter, or perhaps someone new.
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 25, 2013, 07:39:28 AM
Uh, it's still ambigious. It's still not totally sure.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on July 25, 2013, 08:03:20 AM
Cox said in Twitter and I think in an interview that there will be a new Belmont in LOS2. He also hinted that, given the fact that he will be new, he wouldn't be named after any previous character. Michael, Erik, James sound nice. Michael is cool because there would be an ''archangel'' battle. Gabriel vs Michael... cool
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 25, 2013, 09:01:01 AM
Cox said in Twitter and I think in an interview that there will be a new Belmont in LOS2. He also hinted that, given the fact that he will be new, he wouldn't be named after any previous character. Michael, Erik, James sound nice. Michael is cool because there would be an ''archangel'' battle. Gabriel vs Michael... cool
Plus Satan/Lucifer who was the fourth Archangel too. Still need Raphael.
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Post by: Nagumo on July 25, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
What I gather from this is that they originally wanted to use a concept in their game that IGA came up with but didn't have a chance to implement in any of his games. The only thing that I can think of that would qualify is the battle of 1999. The rumor would also be a logical extension of this.

It would have been hilarious if the original plot twist was that Gabriel reincarnated as Soma Cruz in the end. Then we would have a trilogy of exactly the same "character X is previously established character Y from the old continuity" twist endings.
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Post by: crisis on July 25, 2013, 11:32:54 AM
I dunno if them using Julio & the battle of 1999 could've been considered an honor, or maybe IGA could've been a bit embarrased that they "beat him to the punch" before he did. Most of his games seemed to build up to that event, from Curse of Darkness to Portrait of Ruin, even Harmony of Despair character profile mentions Julio's struggle. Only game that didn't hint 1999 was Ecclesia. But perhaps had the Alucard ps3/360 been greenlit instead of Lords, we would've had the game by now or at least more insight about it's events o.o;
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Post by: Thomas Belmont on July 25, 2013, 11:37:43 AM
Plus Satan/Lucifer who was the fourth Archangel too. Still need Raphael.

Lucifer was never an Archangel.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 25, 2013, 11:45:26 AM
Lucifer was never an Archangel.
Lucifer was never anything, Has-Satan is the juror angel of god, he's not the devil, but that doesn't make the stories made for him less awesome.
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Post by: Pfil on July 25, 2013, 12:41:25 PM
But perhaps had the Alucard ps3/360 been greenlit instead of Lords, we would've had the game by now or at least more insight about it's events o.o;
Yes, but as I said in another thread, the idiots at Konami cancelled it.
At I guess it was that what earned me -8 in one day I haven't been online, and what's really funny, is that some very old posts were downvoted (which I won't care to look for, but no new posts).
It's not about the little number, it's the trolling attitude that bugs me.
Maybe we should have the voting of old posts disabled?

@Lelygax: I fixed the -1 in your previous post.
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 25, 2013, 12:42:52 PM
Lucifer was never an Archangel.
Most archangels are considered to be good angels. Satan, sometimes called Lucifer, is also considered an archangel, but one who has fallen from God's grace and is considered evil, leading fallen angels against God in the War in Heaven in the traditions in which such a concept exists. -Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel)

EDIT: Plus it is confirmed Satan came fom Heaven in LoS - cf. his lines before the final battle.

But yeah, he can also be considered as not an archangel in some religions/versions.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 25, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
Most archangels are considered to be good angels. Satan, sometimes called Lucifer, is also considered an archangel, but one who has fallen from God's grace and is considered evil, leading fallen angels against God in the War in Heaven in the traditions in which such a concept exists. -Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel)

EDIT: Plus it is confirmed Satan came fom Heaven in LoS - cf. his lines before the final battle.

But yeah, he can also be considered as not an archangel in some religions/versions.
You mean the official one right? Becasue in the bible lucifer refers to the fallen king of babylonia, the whole "he was expelled form apradise" is an urban myth
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This word, transliterated hêlēl or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible and according to the KJV-influenced Strong's Concordance means "shining one, morning star, Lucifer"
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 Christian tradition, influenced by this presentation,[16] came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for Satan as Satan was before his fall
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J. Carl Laney has pointed out that in the final verses here quoted, the king of Babylon is described not as a god or an angel but as a man
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However, the understanding of the morning star in Isaiah 14:12 as a metaphor referring to a king of Babylon continued also to exist among Christians. Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it
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"The exposition of this passage, which some have given, as if it referred to Satan, has arisen from ignorance: for the context plainly shows these statements must be understood in reference to the king of the Babylonians."
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In Christianity the title Satan (Hebrew: הַשָּׂטָן ha-Satan), "the opposer", a title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Jewish Bible
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Christian teaching about the Satan (Hebrew שָׂטָן, Adversary), to whom God proposes his servant Job is that he appears in the heavenly court to challenge Job, with God's permission. This is one of two Old Testament passages, along with Zechariah 3, where Hebrew ha-Satan (the Adversary) becomes Greek ho diabolos (the Slanderer) in the Greek Septuagint used by the early Christian church

Aaaaand:

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In Roman Catholicism, three are honoured by name:
St. Gabriel
St. Michael
St. Raphael

The other ones are myths/fables/inventions. Incluiding Jophiel, Uriel AND ha-satan, who is just an angel, a /good/ angel whose function is to test the faith.
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Post by: Thomas Belmont on July 25, 2013, 01:19:09 PM
Most archangels are considered to be good angels. Satan, sometimes called Lucifer, is also considered an archangel, but one who has fallen from God's grace and is considered evil, leading fallen angels against God in the War in Heaven in the traditions in which such a concept exists. -Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel)

EDIT: Plus it is confirmed Satan came fom Heaven in LoS - cf. his lines before the final battle.

But yeah, he can also be considered as not an archangel in some religions/versions.

Lucifer is a fallen angel, but he was never an Archangel.
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 25, 2013, 01:29:59 PM
Well, I always have been told so, so sorry, my bad!
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Post by: crisis on July 25, 2013, 01:48:59 PM
Quote from: Ahasverus
The other ones are myths/fables/inventions.
To some people, it's ALL myths/fables/inventions. Not trying to argue, just offering a different viewpoint.

Quote from: Chernabogue
Most archangels are considered to be good angels. Satan, sometimes called Lucifer, is also considered an archangel, but one who has fallen from God's grace and is considered evil, leading fallen angels against God in the War in Heaven in the traditions in which such a concept exists. -Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel)

Wikipedia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFBDn5PiL00#)
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Post by: Munchy on July 25, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
Yes, but as I said in another thread, the idiots at Konami cancelled it.

I dunno... if it had turned into just Curse of Darkness but with more levels and slightly better graphics, maybe it was a good call.

If on the other hand, the folks making it were able to improve highly on level design, then it would really be a shame. But I guess we'll never know now.
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Post by: Lelygax on July 25, 2013, 05:41:03 PM
@Lelygax: I fixed the -1 in your previous post.

Thanks, I didnt even noticed that I got a -1 (for a random reason that I dont know) :)
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Post by: Pfil on July 25, 2013, 08:56:02 PM
I dunno... if it had turned into just Curse of Darkness but with more levels and slightly better graphics, maybe it was a good call.

If on the other hand, the folks making it were able to improve highly on level design, then it would really be a shame. But I guess we'll never know now.
At least we could have had another memorable soundtrack like Curse of Darkness.

Thanks, I didnt even noticed that I got a -1 (for a random reason that I dont know) :)
You are welcome.
Funny thing is I got -1 just for doing that, from someone who have the sport of voting -1 every time I say something he disagrees, mostly about LoS, but more funny than that is that he never explains why the -1, nor he states he disagrees with my post or why.
It's not Ahasverus or Flame, by the way. Those are cool people.
Anyway, whatever.
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 26, 2013, 02:13:49 AM
Return of Satan on Earth + Battle between Zobek and Dracula officially confirmed: http://www.geekscape.net/interview-castlevania-producer-david-cox (http://www.geekscape.net/interview-castlevania-producer-david-cox)
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Post by: Flame on July 26, 2013, 03:07:20 AM
sometimes I -1 without explanation.  just over heavy disagreement where ive discussed it to death.

for example, and no offense pfil, but the blind faith/praise in iga's alucard 3d game.. we know nothing about it, but i see people say we should have gotten it instead of los, despite knowing iga's rather bad record with 3d vanias. not to mention it was a 360 game pith that lpoked like late ps2 graphics.

between a bad but "faithful" game and a "different" but good game, od pick the latter.

im more than willing to give iga another chance in 3d, but at the time, i dont think he would have been the best choice. too soon after judgement.  he needed time to get his shit together. and we needed new blood... something fresh.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on July 26, 2013, 05:03:10 AM
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im more than willing to give iga another chance in 3d, but at the time, i dont think he would have been the best choice. too soon after judgement.  he needed time to get his shit together. and we needed new blood... something fresh.

While Judgment suffer from terrible character designs, it has an interesting story, about Galamoth. The so fresh blood, in my opinion, didn't made a big difference, because while it has better graphics, interesting story, has nothing more or less in common with what the series are known for and Cox compared to Iga, in my eyes he will always be a looser as character, because when people criticized Iga, Iga never spoke ill of them or the fans, he just accepted the errors/mistakes he was accused for, instead Cox, said that we have the fans we wanted to have, we can't please everyone, so screw those who are bitching, also Iga didn't banned anyone for speaking bad of him or making a joke on him, like Cox did on his twitter with Nagumo.
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Post by: Lelygax on July 26, 2013, 07:16:16 AM
Hey, I dont believe that I will say that but... I think I agree with Flame! :O
Imagine if while we endured all this time with Cox reigning, IGA was brainstorming new stories, gameplay ideas and shit for new CV games? This atleast gave more time so he can take a break, rest and have new ideas.

I never thought about that before, so I can be wrong and maybe stupid right now to think like that for the first time lol
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Post by: Pfil on July 26, 2013, 12:35:18 PM
sometimes I -1 without explanation.  just over heavy disagreement where ive discussed it to death.

for example, and no offense pfil, but the blind faith/praise in iga's alucard 3d game.. we know nothing about it, but i see people say we should have gotten it instead of los, despite knowing iga's rather bad record with 3d vanias. not to mention it was a 360 game pith that lpoked like late ps2 graphics.

between a bad but "faithful" game and a "different" but good game, od pick the latter.

im more than willing to give iga another chance in 3d, but at the time, i dont think he would have been the best choice. too soon after judgement.  he needed time to get his shit together. and we needed new blood... something fresh.
I see your point, and no offense taken.
I thought the Alucard game was going to be another Curse of Darkness, and that was great for me, personally.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 27, 2013, 01:49:53 AM
Imagine if while we endured all this time with Cox reigning, IGA was brainstorming new stories, gameplay ideas and shit for new CV games? This atleast gave more time so he can take a break, rest and have new ideas.

Ahhhh~ It would be really awesome if it happens.  8)

I thought the Alucard game was going to be another Curse of Darkness, and that was great for me, personally.

I never thought of it that way.
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Post by: flyingchai on July 27, 2013, 01:31:07 PM
Confirmed in this new article: we will get to play for a bit as Alucard after all.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/system-update-thoughts-men-behind-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-article-1.1409685 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/system-update-thoughts-men-behind-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-article-1.1409685)

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Post by: Dremn on July 27, 2013, 04:23:29 PM
Confirmed in this new article: we will get to play for a bit as Alucard after all.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/system-update-thoughts-men-behind-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-article-1.1409685 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/system-update-thoughts-men-behind-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-article-1.1409685)
Depending how the game plays out, having Alucard becoming playable in a new game+ would be awesome.
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Post by: Lelygax on July 27, 2013, 07:18:41 PM
I expect that they dont plan to do the Alucard part of the story be a DLC.
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Post by: Flame on July 27, 2013, 07:27:15 PM
willing to bet his gameplay will be pretty similar to Gabe, but minus the whip, and mainly the sword.
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Post by: Maedhros on July 27, 2013, 07:28:40 PM
YESSS!

That's everything I wanted. Now I'm sure someone can even do a mod for make Alucard the main character in the game if they don't include that in the first place (which would be really stupid).
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Post by: Kingshango on July 27, 2013, 08:08:16 PM
Call me a skeptic but I think the article meant Dracula, especially when the article said "Expect to be shocked and maybe even annoyed when playing as Alucard." Why on earth would we be shocked and annoyed about playing as Alucard for? If anything we'd be ecstatic to play as him, not annoyed. Plus Cox said repeatedly that Dracula will be the only playable character.

But then again developers tend to do that for example (warning, spoiler for a recently released game)
(click to show/hide)

So I wouldn't be shocked if Cox is shitting through his teeth and Alucard is playable in some form in LOS2, it's almost a foregone conclusion even.
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Post by: Ahasverus on July 27, 2013, 08:53:45 PM
I see your point, and no offense taken.
I thought the Alucard game was going to be another Curse of Darkness, and that was great for me, personally.
Yes please, Trevor mode >>>>>>>>>>>> regular Curse of Darkness
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Post by: Flame on July 27, 2013, 09:01:01 PM
Call me a skeptic but I think the article meant Dracula, especially when the article said "Expect to be shocked and maybe even annoyed when playing as Alucard." Why on earth would we be shocked and annoyed about playing as Alucard for? If anything we'd be ecstatic to play as him, not annoyed. Plus Cox said repeatedly that Dracula will be the only playable character.

But then again developers tend to do that for example (warning, spoiler for a recently released game)
(click to show/hide)

So I wouldn't be shocked if Cox is shitting through his teeth and Alucard is playable in some form in LOS2, it's almost a foregone conclusion even.
Thats true, it seemed weird that they mentioned Alucard after Cox has been adamant that Dracula would be the only playable character. (unless there is a Reverie-like segment where you periodically control Alucard)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 27, 2013, 10:10:33 PM
In my opinion, I think Cox is pulling a Kojima from Metal Gear Solid 2.

I doubt that Alucard will be a playable character. Though I agree with Lely that they might offer him up as a DLC.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on July 28, 2013, 01:11:21 AM
I bet Alucard may join forces with Gabriel at some point to fight Zobek or Satan. Or we have to control Alucard during a fight against Gabriel, to mimic SotN's final battle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on July 28, 2013, 01:28:50 AM
I can see Alucard becoming an ally out of desperation. Satan would likely be a common enemy. Otherwise Alucard comes at the end, after Gabe kills Satan to finish things off for good.

Maybe your final act as the player is defeating Gabriel, ending the saga for good.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 28, 2013, 02:20:45 AM
I can see Alucard becoming an ally out of desperation. Satan would likely be a common enemy. Otherwise Alucard comes at the end, after Gabe kills Satan to finish things off for good.

Maybe your final act as the player is defeating Gabriel, ending the saga for good.
That would be interesting. I mean, it would feel weird to fight a final boss Alucard, but a final boss DRACULA on the other hand...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on July 28, 2013, 02:53:52 AM
Exactly. And given Trevor's fate, it would make a fitting ending.

Honestly an 'Alucard mode' after Gabriel's would make a lot of sense. Especially if it's short and only a few areas, not a whole redo of the game. About as long as the two DLC's from the first game. Just a final finisher set of chapters to top it all off.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: C Belmont on July 28, 2013, 03:46:31 AM
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Maybe your final act as the player is defeating Gabriel, ending the saga for good

A while back Cox said that Gabriel is both the first and the last Belmont.
If that's still going to be the case then presumably both Alucard and the new Belmont will die before Gabriel does
making something like this unlikely.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on July 28, 2013, 05:47:04 PM
I see your point, and no offense taken.
I thought the Alucard game was going to be another Curse of Darkness, and that was great for me, personally.


I for one am glad that game was canceled. Now I might get negatives but hear me out I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but what if it did turn out like curse of darkness? The ideas of innocent devils were nice but what are the chances that it improved upon? I should be saying yes right, but it felt lackluster to me. And one of the major complaints about LoI and Cod was that level design and if they could not improve upon that  with CoD what are the chances that anything would be different the third time around(fourth if one counts nanobreaker which is considered to be really) ? That was my main worry and then use they used Alucard to hype it up. Kind of how Mof fell flat and MS used the series most well loved characters this could have turned out with a similar ending and I know I do not want that happening.

The only thing that would have me going for the Alucard game is a Richter mode voiced by Troy Baker and for those who do not know who he is, he voiced this guy

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Yeah I love Tales of Vesperia.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 28, 2013, 07:26:25 PM
CoD WORSENED LoI's level design.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on July 28, 2013, 07:38:41 PM
I agree. LoI had overall better design, even though many samey corridors too...

But we don't know the budget to make a judgement of these games. They could be simply like that because their budget was low, so they needed to reuse things to keep it from going higher than the budget.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 28, 2013, 08:55:28 PM
Edit: This was posted before but just my comment on the interview.

http://www.geekscape.net/interview-castlevania-producer-david-cox (http://www.geekscape.net/interview-castlevania-producer-david-cox)

Is it just me, but, Cox in this interview seems cocky....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on July 28, 2013, 09:58:18 PM
David Cockys
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kaori on July 28, 2013, 10:30:51 PM
The only thing that would have me going for the Alucard game is a Richter mode voiced by Troy Baker

Tales of Vesperia is awesome, and Troy Baker is even better! Funny thing is, Troy Baker may have actually been part of that canceled Alucard game. I seem to recall a few years ago that he did something for a canceled Castlevania game or something...let me dig up a link, because I want to make sure I'm not crazy.  :P

Here: http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/troy-baker-states-that-he%E2%80%99s-worked-on-a-castlevania-game-with-konami/ (http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/troy-baker-states-that-he%E2%80%99s-worked-on-a-castlevania-game-with-konami/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on July 28, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
Tales of Vesperia is awesome, and Troy Baker is even better! Funny thing is, Troy Baker may have actually been part of that canceled Alucard game. I seem to recall a few years ago that he did something for a canceled Castlevania game or something...let me dig up a link, because I want to make sure I'm not crazy.  :P

Here: http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/troy-baker-states-that-he%E2%80%99s-worked-on-a-castlevania-game-with-konami/ (http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/troy-baker-states-that-he%E2%80%99s-worked-on-a-castlevania-game-with-konami/)

Your not crazy I have posted videos about him talking about it before. Man Yuri Lowell as Richter would of been awesome I tell  all of you AWESOME
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on July 28, 2013, 10:46:16 PM
You stole my thunder, I was gonna post that! >:(

Joke aside, it's nice to know that IGA is still doing at least something at Konami besides fetching coffee. And that's quite humble of Cox to respect IGA's wishes to not include certain characters and events.

Just gonna point out that Cox didn't say it had anything to do with IGA's wishes. Although, it smells to me like there might actually be more to it than was said.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on July 28, 2013, 10:54:20 PM
My only hope is for the game to be looooong, as this is going to be our last in god knows how many years (3, 4?) I hope it's highly replayable, filled with secrets and long as hell.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on July 28, 2013, 10:56:24 PM
well that's pretty long
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 29, 2013, 03:01:52 AM
Hello, new to the forum but have been lurking for awhile. For those interested in whether certain characters may be playable in Lord of Shadows 2 such as Alucard this interview with Dave Cox confirms that you will play as other characters.
 

http://www.examiner.com/article/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-exclusive-with-david-cox (http://www.examiner.com/article/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-exclusive-with-david-cox)

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RS: What other characters will you be able to play? What about the Belmonts?

DC: It’s really focused on Dracula as a main character so there’s no like, co-op. There are parts of the game where you play with other characters. There is a Belmont. Again, that’s not something we want to show right now, there is a Belmont who is intent on Dracula’s destruction. There is Alucard, who’ve we’ve seen in the trailer, and some characters from the previous game that are making a return, as well as new enemies.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 29, 2013, 03:11:51 AM
Trevorcard, huh?

Well that answers that question. As we thought, there will be Reverie-like segments.

My only hope is for the game to be looooong, as this is going to be our last in god knows how many years (3, 4?) I hope it's highly replayable, filled with secrets and long as hell.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fexopolis.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F07%2Flongcat-cielo.jpg&hash=3ac2bf5cdf62f80e58ba964917b2f798) --------> This long, MercurySteam, plskthx.

Well, considering they seem to be going for an Arkham City style open world, hopefully there will be some long replayability and gameplay time and such.

Thoughts, Trevorcard?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 29, 2013, 03:15:04 AM
Heh well I liked this nickname so much I decided to take as a username. Also I would expect that there might be sections where maybe Alucard fight with you like Zobek did in the first Lord of Shadows hopefully with way better A.I.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on July 29, 2013, 05:11:21 AM
@CastlevaniaLOS Can you tell me the new Belmont is from the old castlevania or completely original ? give me a hint. even just a little...
@JohnCen62865707 - Yes and Yes... :)

 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 29, 2013, 05:14:00 AM
Since it is most likely not Julius now. I kinda hope if its a original belmont or an old one that is female. I think in one interview Dave cox did mention that Sonia Belmont was a candidate for one of the Belmonts in Mirror of fate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on July 29, 2013, 05:25:54 AM
If they absolutely must use an old Belmont character I would like it to be Sonia. I also recall that tweet where Sonia was considered to be playable in MoF. There was also a tweet where Cox said they were interested in exploring the concept of a female Belmont, but not in MoF. Honestly, if it turns out to be her, I would give MercurySteam some major kudos.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 29, 2013, 05:36:17 AM
Agreed. But also maybe Dave Cox is subtly suggesting there might be more than one belmont?  :o I would be interested to see a game where you see a full Belmont Clan instead of just one representative.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on July 29, 2013, 05:54:29 AM
Good thinking. Then the tweet I just posted would actually make sense.  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 29, 2013, 05:58:58 AM
Thanks. You know I wouldn't be against a Mr. and Mrs. Belmont team up :D. Makes me wish for a game where you play as Trevor and Sypha Belmont after they got hitched on their honey moon killing demonic fools!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 29, 2013, 06:27:14 AM
Reimagined Richiter Belmont?

And I hope the game isn't too long, one thing that I disliked about the original Lords was that it dragged on and onnn (one of the main reasons why I haven't had the desire to replay it).. they seriously should've cut out the first 3 or 4 chapters (even longer when you consider the DLC) And Zobek's mind-numbing speeches kept making me tired. Make the game straight to the gusto, one thing I hate is filler stages that add nothing but impede the game's progress.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 29, 2013, 06:38:56 AM
Apparently Dave Cox doesn't like Richter Belmont :P. I do agree that Lord of Shadows dragged after the Castle part and I think that is partly due to the long length of Chapter 2 and also how boring looking the land of death looked. Although I did like some of the bosses and puzzles in it but the super lame final boss battle with Satan  left a bad taste in my mouth ( we were robbed a Zobek battle!).

The Best Chapters or sections in Lord of shadow were the 1st Chapter, the last quarter of chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4, all chapters to do with castles. Worst were the land of death and anything to do with Spiders.
Maybe there might be cameos of Belmonts through flashbacks?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on July 29, 2013, 08:37:58 AM
I'm thinking it's either Richter or Sonia.

The possibility of a Michael Belmont makes sense too considering the biblical connections the characters namesakes have.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 29, 2013, 09:17:11 AM
His name should be David Belmont and he should look like David Boreanaz

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Or Hideo Belmont
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 29, 2013, 01:23:14 PM
I wonder if the final stage of the game where you fight Satan would be hell or at least the connection to hell within the Castle. I hope Satan at least resembles a real Prince of Darkness and not that weirdo we fought.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on July 29, 2013, 02:06:43 PM
The possibility of a Michael Belmont makes sense too considering the biblical connections the characters namesakes have.

"Michael" lol

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 29, 2013, 02:35:14 PM
I don't know if I will be happy fighting or killing Belmonts. But...... if it is a Douche Belmont I will make an exception.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on July 29, 2013, 09:27:22 PM


The possibility of a Michael Belmont makes sense too considering the biblical connections the characters namesakes have.
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Yes!! Also I think that Trevorcard sounds cool, but so does ''Aluvor'' :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on July 29, 2013, 11:06:50 PM
I'm all for Sonia!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on July 30, 2013, 06:45:31 AM
I sometimes wish Mercury Steam would've made the LoS timeline connect with the likes of Sonia and, further on - Nathan Graves. That way we would've had two distinct timelines to build upon, instead of... Two and half? Three? I've lost track.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 30, 2013, 06:59:07 AM
For all those that are hoping for Sonia Belmont to be in LoS2:

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but look no further than the treatment they gave Sypha in Mirror of Fate. The chances of MS putting a reimagined Sonia in LoS2 are extremely low, and it's more likely that the name 'Sonia' will only be randomly namedropped in a Brotherhood Scroll you find along the way, similar to 'Iris' in LoS1. Seriously, that's the best we could hope for.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on July 30, 2013, 07:22:35 AM
I sometimes wish Mercury Steam would've made the LoS timeline connect with the likes of Sonia and, further on - Nathan Graves. That way we would've had two distinct timelines to build upon, instead of... Two and half? Three? I've lost track.

More like ten.  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 09:07:17 AM
I think there might be more chance for Sonia because she is a Belmont unlike Sypha. It seems Mercury steam wants put more focus on the core characters i.e Belmonts and Alucard than other characters like Grant for example. Although I agree that its more likely a Male Belmont than a Female Belmont, it would be pretty cool if it was a female Belmont. Although not sure I would like a Shanoa Belmont :P.

Since its confirmed that Medusa will be a boss in the new Lord of Shadows 2, what other classical bosses you guys think will appear? I am hoping for the Water Dragon of Super Castlevania 4, Doppelganger and Galamoth from SOTN and Adramelech from COTM. Although I do expect since its do with Satan and Hell we might get a boss battle with a Cerberus boss.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on July 30, 2013, 10:17:39 AM
Shanoa Belmont
Nopenopenopenopenope
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 10:27:47 AM
I am just saying that as the worst case scenario for a female Belmont name  :rollseyes:. But I don't think it will ever come to that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on July 30, 2013, 10:51:35 AM
How about twin Belmont's? inb4DevilMayCry

That'd be new to Castlevania (unless im missing something) but the problem with that is, who get's the whip?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 10:54:59 AM
If its a twin belmont idea why can't it be a team with one person getting the whip and the other one being a magic user ala Potrait of Ruin. Although I don't know if we will get that. But the fact that Lord of Shadows 2 website says the Belmont Clan wants to destroy him suggest we may see more then one Belmont.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 30, 2013, 10:56:12 AM
Zoe & Delores Belmont (Order of Shadows) 8)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 11:01:36 AM
It will be interesting to see if this Belmont or Belmonts is much much more powerful than his predecessors. Kinda of like the evolution of Belmont power from Richter and onwards. The question is Alucard going to work with Belmont CLan and what capacity? It seems Alucard is helping the brotherhood of light as shown by Lord of Shadow 2 previews so are Belmont clan a part of the Brotherhood of Light or on their own?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on July 30, 2013, 12:44:38 PM
Desmond will appear in this game to connect Order of Shadows with Lords of Shadows, he will be Simon's son lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on July 30, 2013, 12:50:09 PM
I have it!, KIKI Belmont
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on July 30, 2013, 01:00:39 PM
I like it, it should be official as Kokoro's brother.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 01:03:39 PM
Would be fun if in the game they included a Belmont Family Tree :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on July 30, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
For all those that are hoping for Sonia Belmont to be in LoS2:

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but look no further than the treatment they gave Sypha in Mirror of Fate. The chances of MS putting a reimagined Sonia in LoS2 are extremely low, and it's more likely that the name 'Sonia' will only be randomly namedropped in a Brotherhood Scroll you find along the way, similar to 'Iris' in LoS1. Seriously, that's the best we could hope for.
Sadly, I guess I have to agree. Chances are we'll never get a female lead from MS. At best, if Sonia is indeed in the game, we will get to play as her just a while, like Laura in Reverie, which was my favourite part of the first LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 01:57:28 PM
I actually prefer a limited play approach for other characters than Dracula. Since I think Mirror of Fate could been way better if you only played as only Trevor and Alucard and gave it more focus. Although I would definitely up for a DLC or a new game plus for the new Belmont or Alucard
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on July 30, 2013, 03:37:10 PM
A "Julius" Mode where the last boss is Gabriel is FUCKING NEEDED! I mean... fuck, will we really finish the trilogy without fighting Dracula in a non shitty game (I'm looking at you MoF)??
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on July 30, 2013, 05:18:23 PM
this is going to be our last in god knows how many years (3, 4?)
I hope we get a new game soon, why do you think it's going to be 3 or 4 years? That would be really hard to endure.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on July 30, 2013, 06:14:43 PM
No way we'll be waiting 3-4 years for a new Castlevania, unless they're making another "big-budget" LoS-style game. But even then, I predict a year, 2 at most, but not 3 or 4.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 06:36:20 PM
As long as it isn't a Mega Man style drought we been having, I am good. My hope is a downloadable Castlevania game or a 3DS one in two years hopefully from Mr. Igarashi and Big Budget one coming in the next four years.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on July 30, 2013, 09:56:42 PM
loS proved to Konami that CV still sells. It was successful. Mega Man has had no such luck. Mainly because Capcom refuses to let the brand prove itself through anything other than merchandise.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 10:02:37 PM
Also sadly I think its also because Inafune left and with him gone Capcom just relegated the Blue Bomber to cameo. I hope MOF poor sales doesn't keep Konami for making more 2D ones. I think Igarashi should be brought back to make more 2D ones while another studio as good or even better then MS should deal with the 3D ones. By the way I am suspecting that Lord of Shadows 2 won't come out till 2014 which is bummer because I think its fitting for Castlevania to come out in October :D.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 30, 2013, 10:09:39 PM
Delays are not new to MS. I'm just hoping that with the delays, the final game would have less bugs.
They could justify the delay by saying, "We have given you guys MoF this year, so we can release LoS2 next year. Hahaha..."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 10:13:15 PM
Well they had excuses for MOF because it was their first time with a portable system but Lord of Shadows 2 better not have bugs they have no excuses now.  Wonder if the witches who appeared briefly in Mirror of Fate will appear and will Daemon Lord make a return?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on July 30, 2013, 11:53:02 PM
Well they had excuses for MOF because it was their first time with a portable system but Lord of Shadows 2 better not have bugs they have no excuses now.  Wonder if the witches who appeared briefly in Mirror of Fate will appear and will Daemon Lord make a return?
Not sure for the Daemon Lord: Alucard killed him, and LoS2 (seems to) takes place after MoF, as Alucard appears in the trailers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on July 30, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
Did he? I don't know if I don't see a body in a video game or movie it is likely a villain isn't dead. Besides Toymaker could revive him and his original beef is with Dracula. Also those witches seem to want to usurp Dracula rule so I could see them as a faction of enemies against you in the Castle. I actually had an idea of battle with Dracula against a tag team of Cornell and Carmilla as a homage to the battle in SOTN with werewolf and Minotaur.

On the subject of open world, an interview with Cox suggested the exploration will be more like ocarina of time than Arkham city. Which I think is better because Arkham city although was a huge world was largely empty in comparison to Arkham Asylum. I am optimistic they will improve the exploration over MOF in LOS2. As long as they give you more reason to explore then just collecting power ups just to increase your health and items.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 31, 2013, 05:53:30 AM
Regarding exploration, i have this pessimistic thought that they would just give power ups and map percentage points.
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Post by: crisis on July 31, 2013, 06:18:29 AM
I agree. I mean, it's cool that everybody is hoping for all these awesome stuff that MercurySteam might include, but I'm keeping my expectations realistic. I'm not expecting to see Bone Pillars or flying Medusa Heads [in the traditional sense anyway], old characters (we will prolly get more "amalgams" of characters, which are 2 separate characters combined into 1, or familiar names slapped onto new characters with only 1 trait in common, like in LoS1) or classic remixes of obscure tracks like Psycho Warrior or anything. However, that doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to the game.
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Post by: DoctaMario on July 31, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
I wonder if the final stage of the game where you fight Satan would be hell or at least the connection to hell within the Castle. I hope Satan at least resembles a real Prince of Darkness and not that weirdo we fought.

I liked Satan's look in LoS. He reminded me of Testament from Guilty Gear, but with a difference weapon.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20111017162957%2Fguilty-gear%2Fimages%2F4%2F47%2FTestament.png&hash=c8fa0dbc28ced07aec7e0667654a2782)
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Post by: Bergaron on July 31, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
Dave Cox: "Sorry not possible in CVLOS. In CVLOS2 PC all cut scenes are in engine this time."

So no cgi/pre-rendered scenes in LOS2, perfect, PC now we can put the resolution we want.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on July 31, 2013, 10:39:26 AM
I agree, Satan must look scary, he must look like the King of the Angels Baba Yaga said he is. The image with the guy with the scythe is weird
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Post by: Maedhros on July 31, 2013, 10:58:48 AM
This guy looks like a pussy with a dangerous weapon.
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Post by: Chernabogue on July 31, 2013, 11:22:42 AM
This guy looks like a pussy with a dangerous weapon.
ROFL I thought it was a woman!
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Post by: Bergaron on July 31, 2013, 11:47:14 AM
Woman Gabriel...

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Post by: crisis on July 31, 2013, 12:01:56 PM
^that is from the movie Constantine. Satan in that movie looked like a regular bald guy,

Testament is very feminine-looking, and has an outfit that'll make Isaac jealous. But it's kinda funny when someone says "LoS Satan should've looked like the REAL Satan, the REAL Prince of Darkness." But does anyone actually know what the "Prince of Darkness" is supposed to look like? It's really subjective; it's like asking someone what God looks like. There will always be different interpretations. Unless people just want the cliché red devil with horns & a pitchfork, and God looking like an old wizard with a long white beard & robe.
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Post by: Trevorcard on July 31, 2013, 12:08:15 PM
What I meant was that Satan should been more intimidating and I got what they were trying to do to be different from traditional interpretation of Devil but it came off flat to me. Actually I am more optimistic about Lord of Shadows 2 exploration due to the emphasis they are putting on it as opposed to Mirror of Fate where they kept saying branching paths and what not. I think in one interview they mentioned that exploration is not limited to power ups to not only items but opening optional areas. Also apparently one of power ups give you the ability to turn into a Dragon like in the 2012 trailer.

As of right now I am very happy what they did with multiple weapons :D, hopefully the exploration compares to the advancement they made weapons. Also, I hope they take secondary items being powered by hearts like in mirror fate then way they were done in LOS 1 which gave it less strategy.

I am wondering though what do you guys think will be the final boss of the game? Zobek? Satan? Or a tag team of Alucard and the Belmont?
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Post by: Pfil on July 31, 2013, 01:06:54 PM
I agree. I mean, it's cool that everybody is hoping for all these awesome stuff that MercurySteam might include, but I'm keeping my expectations realistic. I'm not expecting to see Bone Pillars or flying Medusa Heads [in the traditional sense anyway], old characters (we will prolly get more "amalgams" of characters, which are 2 separate characters combined into 1, or familiar names slapped onto new characters with only 1 trait in common, like in LoS1) or classic remixes of obscure tracks like Psycho Warrior or anything. However, that doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to the game.
Indeed. My expectations are that I'll get a game where I completely dislike the music (this time it won't take me by surprise) and where, hopefully, I will get to gaze at wonderful scenery, since if they use the modern PC potential and the right aesthetic, the castle setting should look amazing.
Granted, I don't expect any remix that surprises me, classic enemies, and I even think that a playable female character and key stages like a long and high clock tower area with lots of platforming are dreaming too much.
But still, I am expecting certain things from the game, to spend some OK time while I wait for the next one.
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Post by: Trevorcard on July 31, 2013, 01:26:35 PM
I don't know I am actually optimistic for classic enemies we are getting a Medusa boss battle and one of the positives of Mirror of Fate was a return of classic enemies and a boss (The Succubus) so I expect trend to continue. The plattforming I have mixed feelings about this a weakness in Mirror of Fate and most of 3D modern gaming. I am hoping they make some changes but I am not holding my breath.

Apparently according to Cox twitter we are getting announcement for date really soon hoping for November to December date :D
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 31, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
I don't know I am actually optimistic for classic enemies we are getting a Medusa boss battle and one of the positives of Mirror of Fate was a return of classic enemies and a boss (The Succubus) so I expect trend to continue. The plattforming I have mixed feelings about this a weakness in Mirror of Fate and most of 3D modern gaming. I am hoping they make some changes but I am not holding my breath.

Apparently according to Cox twitter we are getting announcement for date really soon hoping for November to December date :D
I heard winter 2013 or early 2014 like somewhere around this christmas or just after new year's day. Keep in mind that I can't say that my source is trust worthy.
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Post by: Flame on July 31, 2013, 03:44:41 PM
Also sadly I think its also because Inafune left and with him gone Capcom just relegated the Blue Bomber to cameo. I hope MOF poor sales doesn't keep Konami for making more 2D ones. I think Igarashi should be brought back to make more 2D ones while another studio as good or even better then MS should deal with the 3D ones. By the way I am suspecting that Lord of Shadows 2 won't come out till 2014 which is bummer because I think its fitting for Castlevania to come out in October :D.
Inafune was not involved with much of the Mega man series post X4. He left the role of executive X series producer to work on Mega Man Zero, and even then, only helped with the first one. He was one of the producers for all 4, but past Z1, it was pretty much all inti's work. X7, the extent of his involvement was consulting on Axl's design. I dont think he was even involved in X8, and he didn't want to touch Command Mission with a 10 foot pole, because "EEW, RPG"

I don't think he was very involved in BN and SF, or ZX either. he was almost entirely hands off.
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Post by: Lelygax on July 31, 2013, 05:22:54 PM
ROFL I thought it was a woman!

Me too, only noticed its a man looking at this image. It seems that Bridget isnt the only one crossdressing in this game lol

...and he didn't want to touch Command Mission with a 10 foot pole, because "EEW, RPG"

This doesnt sounds convincing to me, since he did thie .EXE/Battle Network series. He could have his reasons, but this doesnt seems to be one of them.

Also, there is Satan for you guys:
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Post by: Trevorcard on July 31, 2013, 05:45:38 PM
I thought X5 was Inafune's last X game since it was supposed to be the definite end to the series. I do think Infaune exit accounts for the drought. After he left Megaman Legends 3 was cancelled and there doesn't seek to be any more downloadable games. Whether he was involved in all Megaman games or not his presence in company represented support for the series. I fear Capcom won't find any interest in continuing the series.

Also you guys since we have enemies called Daughters of Satan? Are we going to fight Satan's Baby Momma? Possibly a Lilith boss?
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Post by: Lelygax on July 31, 2013, 06:08:56 PM
I thought X5 was Inafune's last X game since it was supposed to be the definite end to the series.

It is. I think that Flame mistyped it, but I cant confirm.

I do think Infaune exit accounts for the drought. After he left Megaman Legends 3 was cancelled and there doesn't seek to be any more downloadable games.

Megaman Legends 3 has began production after he left Capcom, that was a miracle and capcom ruined this chance that he and MML fans waited for years.

Also you guys since we have enemies called Daughters of Satan? Are we going to fight Satan's Baby Momma? Possibly a Lilith boss?

That would be really cool.
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Post by: Odile Kuronuma on July 31, 2013, 06:20:19 PM
I personally like BDSM Satan  ;D:
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And his real form is even more impressive.
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Post by: uzo on July 31, 2013, 06:41:07 PM
Inafune doesn't hate RPG's. He specifically said that Megaman X isn't meant to be an RPG, and so he didn't agree with the call to do a game like that. It's printed clear as day in the R20 /Megaman Complete Works art book.
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Post by: Trevorcard on July 31, 2013, 06:42:15 PM
My favorite depiction of the devil  ;D
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Man if you lost against him, you would get Alucard and Belmont saying "OMG YOU KILLED DRACULA, you Bastard!"
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Post by: Lelygax on July 31, 2013, 07:01:07 PM
Inafune doesn't hate RPG's. He specifically said that Megaman X isn't meant to be an RPG, and so he didn't agree with the call to do a game like that. It's printed clear as day in the R20 /Megaman Complete Works art book.

This explanation was better.
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Post by: Trevorcard on July 31, 2013, 07:14:04 PM
You know its actually shame that X game developed like Metroid Prime game was cancelled although it may not have succeeded at least it would brought something new for the Mega man series.

One thing I liked about Lord of Shadows and its a concept they should expand on is the fact that certain bosses had two forms just like Dracula or Death having two or more forms in the previous games. Would love if Satan has three forms since I was pretty disappointed after fighting Satan in Lord of Shadows that he only had one form.
Also,
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Post by: Flame on July 31, 2013, 07:40:02 PM
I thought X5 was Inafune's last X game since it was supposed to be the definite end to the series.

It is. I think that Flame mistyped it, but I cant confirm.


He left the role of X series Executive Producer around X5's early development, leaving his team simply with saying "finish the X series". He admits to having very little involvement beyond that.

Which is why I take exception with people complaining about how X6 is "not canon" because "capcom made it behind Inafune's back"

If he left the role of Executive producer, then he cannot complain when the company that OWNS THE IP decides to continue the story. Not to mention the team themselves felt the story could still go on and had avenues left to explore.
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Post by: Trevorcard on July 31, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
I guess but I do remember the X games not being as good after X5 and although I am not person who all about sticking to Canon with exception of Metroid Other M (that asinine piece of shit that should be struck off), I do recall that X5 felt like a great conclusion to the series.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 31, 2013, 08:11:43 PM
I guess but I do remember the X games not being as good after X5 and although I am not person who all about sticking to Canon with exception of Metroid Other M (that asinine piece of shit that should be struck off), I do recall that X5 felt like a great conclusion to the series.
Yeah X5 was the last good game in that series. X6 was the last 2D game and it sucked. The series was suppose to end with X5 and the only reason it continued was because Capcom wanted to milk the series for all it was worth and ended up with crappy forced games that were one big turnoff.
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Post by: Lelygax on July 31, 2013, 08:18:16 PM
Yes, we want sequels, but not forced ones.
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Post by: Trevorcard on July 31, 2013, 08:24:00 PM
That why I considered the Mega man Zero games as the true sequels to X5 in terms of gameplay and story. Also the twist of Zero being the last creation of Dr. Wily was a excellent pay off that few series accomplish that.

Back on topic, I am full of questions these days lol but seriously interviews keeps saying Dracula goes into thousand years slumber but strange to me because if he wakes up at present day it must be less then that. How long does Dracula in this version reign? It would be a shame after Mirror of Fate if immediately is dethroned rather then reigning for couple of hundred years. I guess I had placed Alucard and Dracula meeting in the start of LOS2 in taking place in time period similar to SOTN in the 16th or 17th century.
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Post by: Flame on July 31, 2013, 09:02:11 PM
Yeah X5 was the last good game in that series. X6 was the last 2D game and it sucked. The series was suppose to end with X5 and the only reason it continued was because Capcom wanted to milk the series for all it was worth and ended up with crappy forced games that were one big turnoff.

I find it the opposite. I like X6 better than X5.

and again, milking the series? the very team behind X5 wanted to keep it going. They felt the story still had possibilities. 9and they did manage to squeeze 2 good sequels. (x6, XCM)

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That why I considered the Mega man Zero games as the true sequels to X5 in terms of gameplay and story.

Honestly, I think the Zero series story turned out for the better with X6+
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Post by: crisis on July 31, 2013, 09:51:29 PM
I agree that the MMX series should've ended at X5, although X6's story & characters were intruiging, it did seem forced (it's as if Inticreates wanted to make a MMZ5 & MMZ6 [no i don't mean ZX], just because they felt there was still more room for story, despite there being a satisfying end to this sub-series already in place). The entire saga up to that point was leading up to X & Zero inevitably fighting each other, Wily's ongoing influence, etc. X5 was the climax of all that, and the sequel series MMZ was a continuation of the legacy. I felt the remaining X games just muddied up the waters & IMO somewhat tarnished the legacy; I could go on & on but that belongs in another topic, def not here.


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How long does Dracula in this version reign?

I recall Cox tweeting that Dracula hasn't fed in over 100 years, which is why he looks so decrepit in current times. Guess we won't know for sure until the game is released.
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Post by: Trevorcard on July 31, 2013, 09:59:05 PM
I recall Cox tweeting that Dracula hasn't fed in over 100 years, which is why he looks so decrepit in current times. Guess we won't know for sure until the game is released.
Interesting I thought he was decrepit due to
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I do want to see if there was belmonts battles after Simon before LOS2 modern day and how many succeeded and failed. I did like in MOF they introduce the fact that Belmonts can fail as opposed to old series where it seems every Belmont wins as it makes Dracula a bit more intimidating.
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Post by: DoctaMario on July 31, 2013, 11:16:11 PM
This guy looks like a pussy with a dangerous weapon.

You've never played Guilty Gear against a good Testament player.  :P
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 01, 2013, 03:01:24 PM
Interview with Robert Caryle about Lord of Shadows 2. Pretty interesting.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/kkomen/castlevania--lords-of-shadow-2-robert-carlyle-interview?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/kkomen/castlevania--lords-of-shadow-2-robert-carlyle-interview?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
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Post by: Maedhros on August 01, 2013, 03:38:43 PM
You've never played Guilty Gear against a good Testament player.  :P
I don't like fighting games and I'm talking about the shitty character design.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 01, 2013, 04:08:20 PM
Its not shitty for me, its like a mix between Death (as many call it "she" or "lady") and Lucifer.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 02, 2013, 12:47:18 AM
You know despite Mirror of Fate being heavily flawed it had bunch of great ideas. The use of secondary items as well as Simon use of spirits I am wondering if we are going to see some form of that in LOS2. I don't expect the secondary weapons for Dracula to be same for Belmont with exception of maybe the Time Watch. Possibly most of secondary weapons will be spells like Alucard's spells in Symphony of the night. I think it was a article that said Dracula can glamour people like he did with Simon in Mirror of fate. I hope it power that can be used battle and not limited to stealth sections.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 02, 2013, 10:23:25 AM
@HereIsKeiSha, What are your Thoughts about a Female Belmont? Excited to see Carmilla & Marie ! Any clue about the Release date?

Dave Cox ‏@CastlevaniaLOS - I like the idea. Sonia was one of my faves!
Hmmmmmmm.
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Post by: Nagumo on August 02, 2013, 10:37:19 AM
Don't play with my heart. :(
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 02, 2013, 10:42:06 AM
There is a lot of potential for showing fan favorite belmonts can be through the time period Dracula reigned as well as modern day without relegating them to Knight scrolls. I hope for some fan service MS!
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Post by: crisis on August 02, 2013, 10:42:35 AM
I think it'd be more concrete if someone asked Enric Alvarez what his opinion is on a female Belmont, since he's both the writer and director and arguably has way more input than Cox (who is more or less just the figurehead for the company)
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 02, 2013, 11:57:31 AM
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Dave Cox ‏@CastlevaniaLOS - I like the idea. Sonia was one of my faves!
Hmmmmmmm.

Don't play with my heart. :(

Careful or you might get disappointed.........
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Post by: Pfil on August 02, 2013, 02:25:30 PM
I won't get my hopes up on having Sonia until it is confirmed.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 02, 2013, 02:35:54 PM
Actually I been thinking I hope they actually keep things secret. I think Mirror of Fate was hurt by too much being revealed. I want a few surprises.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 02, 2013, 06:51:38 PM
Dracul will awake after Alucard defeats him in the past. Cox said that the game will span centuries so Gabriel may face Belmont clan members as bosses, Brotherhood armies or something in each ''trip'' to the past. And, sadly, I don't think that there will be a Sonia Belmont according to one of Cox tweets. I am really looking forward to a great story in this game. Mirror of fate was great too, but I think that everything happened ''too fast''.
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Post by: DoctaMario on August 03, 2013, 12:24:38 AM
I don't like fighting games and I'm talking about the shitty character design.

Lol! You and I normally agree, but not here I guess. xD

I think it's interesting that they designed Satan to be kind of like Testament. I almost wish they'd make Death more like Testa instead what with the sickle and all. It'd be interesting to face a Death that was actually, Y'know, sort of human.

@HereIsKeiSha, What are your Thoughts about a Female Belmont? Excited to see Carmilla & Marie ! Any clue about the Release date?

Dave Cox ‏@CastlevaniaLOS - I like the idea. Sonia was one of my faves!
Hmmmmmmm.

Lies. Anyone other than Tuxedo Mark who says Legends was one of their favorite games is probably Taliban. xD
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 03, 2013, 12:32:30 AM
Well he didn't say Legends. He said Sonia Belmont. And I think there is affection for her probably because she is only female belmont and she has a nice design. The cancelled Castlevania resurrection sporting her attests to her appeal.

I hope not all the Titan battles in the game are like the one in the beginning level. It felt more like a level then a boss battle. Although I applaud from trying to move away from Shadow of Colossus aspect of Titan battles in First game. I would like to see a combination of Bayonetta type of boss battle with the Titans like the major angel bosses and followed by platforming to ascend higher then battle and then platforming and repeat to make it more fluid. 
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Post by: DoctaMario on August 03, 2013, 12:36:31 AM
Bleh, to me Sonia=Legends. I'm somehow unable to separate the two. It's not that she's a woman, it's just that the game she was in sucked ass. I think if there was a female Belmont in a game that was actually good, the devs would have no choice but to pay more attention.

I haven't really been following things but I hope any titan battles are more like Dracolich and less like the other two. I hated the other two, but I thought the Dracolich was an incredible level somehow.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 03, 2013, 12:43:41 AM
Its interesting but I feel all the Titans battle have ingredients for amazing boss battle although the Stone Titan is my favorite. The Ice Titan for the danger of getting pushed off, the Stone Titan in that you had to bring her down and Dracolich for the sheer size and the fact that you had to climb up. With Dracolich I feel like the climbing part was great you never really any danger from him. So I feel like Titan battles shouldn't be just platforming but just mix of boss battle with platforming. A way I would have improved the Dracolich boss battle was that you fight him at first whether flinging rocks at him or doing something to damage him as he tries to breathe toxic smog on you. As he flees you latch on to him and climb up and destroy two of his runes and fall off on a platform and keep fighting till you latch on again to destroy his remaining runes. And then the final stretch should been a normal boss battle. It would made things much more challenging.
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Post by: DoctaMario on August 03, 2013, 01:01:58 AM
You are right in that the Dracolich never really poses any threat once you know how to do it. I like your idea actually!

I didn't enjoy the other two titans though. I thought I would but the fights were just too slow and didn't really pose any challenge other than, "Bleh, where do I head next?"
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 03, 2013, 01:07:20 AM
I think looking back I may have enjoyed the Titan battles of sense of scale and surprisingly it was less QTE then God of War 3 :P. That is one aspect I hope they put less of the QTES. I am actually not against QTES but when they are used in overabundance it gets annoying. You know Lord of Shadow challenge peaked with the Olrox battle and then became really easy I hope it maintains a solid difficulty throughout the game and option to not put check points in a boss battle. Lord of Shadows and Mirror of Fate have great boss battles but they get diminished by this new check point system. A symptom of the Modern gaming era.
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Post by: Pfil on August 03, 2013, 01:46:20 AM
Regarding exploration, i have this pessimistic thought that they would just give power ups and map percentage points.
I like power ups (especially level ups) and map percentage completion, those are some of my favourite parts of MetroidVania games.
Do you like them?
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 03, 2013, 01:59:33 AM
I think we are going to get what we got in Mirror of Fate - Knight scrolls, Health, Hearts, MP power ups with light and shadow magic power ups as well as apparently according to the Destructoid preview power ups to turn into Dragons. But also in articles mentions that there will be optional areas that are secret in games so maybe optional enemies and bosses that would be cool. I think if they take Metroid prime as a model for exploration and power ups it will be good.
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Post by: Dremn on August 03, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
@HereIsKeiSha, What are your Thoughts about a Female Belmont? Excited to see Carmilla & Marie ! Any clue about the Release date?

Dave Cox ‏@CastlevaniaLOS - I like the idea. Sonia was one of my faves!
Hmmmmmmm.
Dave does lurk around here sometimes. He was probably reading this thread not too long ago.
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Post by: thernz on August 03, 2013, 08:48:40 AM
make her beat up gabby
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 03, 2013, 11:05:29 AM
Dave does lurk around here sometimes. He was probably reading this thread not too long ago.
Yeah, this is where he gets his ideas of how to troll us. He uses it against us. He is the "True Lord of Darkness"!!!
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Post by: Bergaron on August 03, 2013, 12:45:48 PM
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@HereIsKeiSha, What are your Thoughts about a Female Belmont? Excited to see Carmilla & Marie ! Any clue about the Release date?

Dave Cox ‏@CastlevaniaLOS - I like the idea. Sonia was one of my faves!
Hmmmmmmm.
Dave does lurk around here sometimes. He was probably reading this thread not too long ago.


Maybe yes, maybe no..
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Post by: Lelygax on August 03, 2013, 01:41:19 PM
Lies. Anyone other than Tuxedo Mark who says Legends was one of their favorite games is probably Taliban. xD

Hey, I like Legends.

Maybe yes, maybe no..

Bergaron is Cox!!! xD
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Post by: Bergaron on August 03, 2013, 02:02:57 PM
Dave can speak english, i use google translate, only speak spanish, that said all xD.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 03, 2013, 02:19:12 PM
Dave can speak english, i use google translate, only speak spanish, that said all xD.
Don't lie to us, Enric

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fth02.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2F200H%2Fi%2F2012%2F061%2Fb%2Fe%2Fenric_alvarez_by_chopelin-d4ri8ji.jpg&hash=002f392dbfe19cd5c39ee53d855bd9b3)
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Post by: beingthehero on August 03, 2013, 06:00:37 PM
I thought Ahasverus was Enric...

EVERYTHING IS LIES
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 03, 2013, 06:56:28 PM
LOL you guyz!
But yeah, sometimes Coxee (his handle here) and Enric Alvarez lurk.

No idea when was the last time they did.  Oh wait, I can use my SemiPhenomenal Nearly-Cosmic Powers to check. :P
Ok, so 'coxee' hasn't been here in three years (last online, 821 days ago).  There's a chance he's made a new account, though.  Who knows?
I forgot what Enric Alvarez's handle here was.

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Post by: beingthehero on August 03, 2013, 07:16:22 PM
Of course you'd conveniently forget, Enric!
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Post by: Bergaron on August 03, 2013, 11:05:34 PM
who will be?

Women Heroes of Castlevania (Mujeres Heroes de Castlevania) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTXVVsc3rUg#ws)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 04, 2013, 12:16:46 AM
People can still lurk even without signing in.  :D
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Post by: Pfil on August 04, 2013, 04:17:22 AM
I hope Araujo would read everything I say about him  :P

Quote from: Lelygax link=topic=4965.msg140734#msg140734
Bergaron is Cox!!! xD
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Really?  :o
I had no idea!
Please Bergaron include Sonia in the next game!
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 04, 2013, 06:39:39 AM
I thought Ahasverus was Enric...

EVERYTHING IS LIES

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.listal.com%2Fimage%2F1912858%2F600full-the-plot-thickens-screenshot.jpg&hash=7ac8e8d76957ac11ca1ec686d6535dfc)
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Post by: Maedhros on August 04, 2013, 07:26:10 AM
Me too, would love to see a female Belmont or another female character, after Shanoa. Just have it make sense and we're good to go (Sonia and Alucard still is the biggest lol I have with this series, it's like shitty fanfiction).
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Post by: Pfil on August 04, 2013, 09:35:37 AM
Bergaron is Cox!!! xD
Really?  :o
I had no idea!
Please Bergaron include Sonia in the next game!
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Post by: Kingshango on August 04, 2013, 03:38:13 PM
IIRC, one of the artist of Lords of Shadow also posted here.
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Post by: KaZudra on August 05, 2013, 09:44:28 AM
So I was Going over an interview + Demo Gameplay where Cox would answer questions, one thing jumped out to me, where the interviewer mentions that LoS2 is the Second installment of a Planned Trilogy, unmistakenly mentioning MoF right afterwards, Cox Didn't Dismiss the Reporter, Could this mean LoS3 is secretly in the works? or that another Developer is going to take charge of finishing it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgk6HRw1kA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgk6HRw1kA)
Stating it at 8:55

makes me wonder...
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 05, 2013, 10:12:49 AM
So I was Going over an interview + Demo Gameplay where Cox would answer questions, one thing jumped out to me, where the interviewer mentions that LoS2 is the Second installment of a Planned Trilogy, unmistakenly mentioning MoF right afterwards, Cox Didn't Dismiss the Reporter, Could this mean LoS3 is secretly in the works? or that another Developer is going to take charge of finishing it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgk6HRw1kA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgk6HRw1kA)
Stating it at 8:55

makes me wonder...
With Climax porting LoS 1 and Cox's declarations that "we look forward to work with them in the future" we can safely predict they are the next Castlevania developers. Not that I'm mad, Shattered Memories was amazing.
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Post by: Nagumo on August 05, 2013, 11:57:53 AM
makes me wonder...

Lords 2 has been advertised as the conclusion of the trilogy.
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Post by: Pfil on August 05, 2013, 02:02:57 PM
Climax?
Anyone knows how the music will turn out with those developers? (at least some hints).
And how about the look?

If this is true, anyway, it's sad news, because CV doesn't return to Konami Japan, neither it goes to WayForward, VanillaWare, FromSoftware or any other studio we have speculed so far that would have made a great take on the franchise.

More than that, even. If Cox is going to work with a new studio and that studio is the one porting LoS 1, I guess my hopes must disappear right now.
We'll be having more LoS games, only with another name.
True Castlevania might never come back.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 05, 2013, 02:15:52 PM
What is ''true Castlevania''?
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Post by: Nagumo on August 05, 2013, 02:19:11 PM
For the next game I would like Cox and IGA to form a comedic producer duo. With cosplay Simon occasionally hanging out with them.
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Post by: crisis on August 05, 2013, 02:19:42 PM
I think she means games that belong to the pre-established canon that has lasted for 25 years, preferrably 2D games.

LoS is more of an "elseworlds" take on Castlevania, which is non-canon.
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Post by: Pfil on August 05, 2013, 02:38:12 PM
What is ''true Castlevania''?
Anything from 1986-2008.
Or, to put it in other words...
I think she means games that belong to the pre-established canon that has lasted for 25 years, preferrably 2D games.
Especially the music.
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Post by: Belmontoya on August 05, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
Bare in mind that this "canon" you speak of was pieced together by IGA who picked and chose what games were included, conveintly leaving out every game that he had no part of post SOTN.

I hardly consider IGA's idea of the canon to be the true story because it is completely unfair to the hard work that other developers contributed to Castlevania.

I prefer to give every game in the series the credit of being a "real" Castlevania. Even those games that I don't care for.

I don't really care if the stories don't line up. If you want to know the only true story of Dracula, then you must read Bram Stoker's novel.

CV has always been reinventing itself, it's best to embrace that IMO. The one thing that stays consistent is that CV is a game that re-tells the story of Dracula in new and various ways. That's what I always look forward to.
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Post by: Maedhros on August 05, 2013, 04:46:29 PM
Bare in mind that this "canon" you speak of was pieced together by IGA who picked and chose what games were included, conveintly leaving out every game that he had no part of post SOTN.

I hardly consider IGA's idea of the canon to be the true story because it is completely unfair to the hard work that other developers contributed to Castlevania.

I prefer to give every game in the series the credit of being a "real" Castlevania. Even those games that I don't care for.

I don't really care if the stories don't line up. If you want to know the only true story of Dracula, then you must read Bram Stoker's novel.

CV has always been reinventing itself, it's best to embrace that IMO. The one thing that stays consistent is that CV is a game that re-tells the story of Dracula in new and various ways. That's what I always look forward to.
lol

It's not that he doesn't respect the vision of the creators, that's BULLSHIT. The stories of these games simply don't tie with the history he envisions, that's simply it. The games are Castlevania just as much as any other game, but they are self-contained.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 05, 2013, 04:59:11 PM
With all due respect to IGA, he just remade many times SOTN. Even he said in HoD, he said that he wanted the game to be very similar to SOTN, even Juste had white hair like Alucard, brought M. Yamane to the game's score. Don't get me wrong, the formula of SOTN is good. The Metroidvanias are fun to play, but the story was getting kinda dumb. I am enjoying very much the LOS universe, and this is the way Castlevania games should be made from now on IMO. I just want to know what happened in the 1999 demon castle wars and that's it. LOS developers made a very serious story giving every character a reason to be. Dracula is evil because the circumstances and his own behavior made him take the path to the dark side and the Belmonts are trying to rid the world of their evil ancestor. Looking deep into the story, everything has a reason to exist, and that is freking cool. The gameplay is cool, the visuals are great, and so on.
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Post by: Belmontoya on August 05, 2013, 05:01:27 PM
Maedrhos the contrarian strikes again.

IGA has considered no games since his first entry in CV to be part of the official story without exception. That is the bullshit.

I don't like the idea of saying that all of the other games are "self contained" as if they play some second fiddle to one man's vision who didn't even create Castlevania to begin with.

That is the attitude that I take issue with.

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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 05, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
Maedrhos the contrarian strikes again.

IGA has considered no games since his first entry in CV to be part of the official story without exception. That is the bullshit.

I don't like the idea of saying that all of the other games are "self contained" as if they play some second fiddle to one man's vision who didn't even create Castlevania to begin with.

That is the attitude that I take issue with.

wait wait wait, hold on, am I missing something?

Because the only games I recall him saying where "self contained" and not part of his vision of a castlevania timeline where Castlevania 64,Castlevania Circle of the Moon, Castlevania Legacy of Darkness, and Dracula X for the SNES.

its seems to me that your just raging at IGA for the hell of it.

The guy was in charge of castlevania at the time and in a attempt to at least try to add some order to it created a timeline.

i don't see how that is so bad that one must feel the need to rage out at the guy.

In comparison to Cox, I would have to say IGA is clearly the more humble of the 2 and is a all around nice guy who did have some respect for the series.
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Post by: beingthehero on August 05, 2013, 05:21:17 PM
Yeah, plus CotM's producer, KO-G, worked on OoE and told IGA that those KCEK titles were always meant to be gaiden stories (per IGA's interview with Nintendo Power in 2008), hence why CotM had zero to do with past titles, didn't feature or reference any games from the past, and took place in Austria. It wasn't in the timeline because the game didn't fit in the timeline, and because it wasn't made to be included in the grand scheme of things. There's no point in complaining about it being labeled a side story when its own producer wanted it to be a side-story. Still, alleging IGA's hubris doesn't add up if the former KCEK guys worked on his titles too (the N64 games' composer did over half of Dawn's soundtrack plus KO-G working on OoE's graphics). Otherwise, saying IGA had a vendetta against the team members of KCEK's gaiden games when they simply became a part of KCET and his own staff seems very goofy.

brought M. Yamane to the game's score.

Soshiro Hokkai did HoD's music. Yamane just did Knight Head and Vampire Killer 2k2.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 05, 2013, 05:26:50 PM
I'll say this: cramming so many games made over a 25 year period with multiple teams and producers into one timeline is tough, if not impossible to do if you want a solid story with no plot holes. MS had the right idea. They took castlevania and did their own thing with it and created a storyline completely separate from the existing games. This is possibly one of the best ways to develop a series. You come up with what you want the overall story to be and then you make the games. Once the story is complete, you hand the series to another developer to do what they want the lore and let them create their vision of it. In the end, you end of with several timelines. Each one telling it's own story independent of the other timelines. No plot holes what so ever theoretically speaking.

Just my take on things.
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Post by: crisis on August 05, 2013, 05:58:32 PM
But if there are no plot-holes & every little thing is accounted for, then what left do we have to speculate about? :P I like how some things are better left unsaid, it brings up excellent theories and discussions like those found in "can Dracula leave his castle" thread, especially concerning his relationship with Lisa, etc.


From an interview he did with Wired Magazine for DXC, 2007:

Wired: I've wanted to ask this for a while: what do you think, in the whole history of Castlevania, was the worst decision anybody ever made about the series?
 ■ Iga: Probably when we put out the timeline. Because since Dracula only appears every 100 years, we made the whole timeline and ran out of places to put in another game. I made the timeline, but I shouldn't have actually released it, because now it's all official. That was a bad decision.

Of course, there's the 300+ years in between Lament & Dracula's Curse. If they wanted, they could always use the OoE approach by making a game during that era and leaving the exact year ambiguous; that way we can have dozens of games in that unknown period, but leaves us to speculate when such games take place.
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Post by: uzo on August 05, 2013, 05:59:53 PM
Climax?
Anyone knows how the music will turn out with those developers? (at least some hints).
And how about the look?

If this is true, anyway, it's sad news, because CV doesn't return to Konami Japan, neither it goes to WayForward, VanillaWare, FromSoftware or any other studio we have speculed so far that would have made a great take on the franchise.

More than that, even. If Cox is going to work with a new studio and that studio is the one porting LoS 1, I guess my hopes must disappear right now.
We'll be having more LoS games, only with another name.
True Castlevania might never come back.

It's really hard to say. The fact of the matter is, we can't write them off musically at any face value, since they could always bring in a freelance game composer to pick it up.

Gameplay and production value wise? As far as I heard, their treatment of the Silent Hill franchise has been a complete abortion. So they do have a track record of shitting on existing franchises. They did do the Rocket Knight reboot too, but I haven't played it. Anyone here can say how that came out?
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Post by: Belmontoya on August 05, 2013, 06:12:22 PM
I never said IGA had a vendetta against anyone. All I said was that he struck every game that was developed without him post SOTN from the storyline. He would have been better off calling all of his titles for example: Castlevania: Symphony of The Night: Harmony of Dissonace. He should have taken the same route as MS and made his own proprietary timeline.

I reject the idea of his storyline being the official canon. I love many of his games, but I don't think he handled the story well at all. It was a jumbled mess.

Hate on me all you want. That's my opinion.  :rollseyes:



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Post by: Flame on August 05, 2013, 06:14:19 PM
Just to chime in here...

What makes IGA's vision any more valid than those other devs?

"well he was the current producer" you might say... (was he exec producer of Cv for those years?) which validates his choices to make "his vision".

Now, what makes his vision any more valid than Cox's? Cox is the current producer. If he wanted, and Konami gave him the go ahead, he could go back to the classic canon, implement his vision, and strike out whatever games he feels don't fit in it. Including IGAvanias.

What then?

Not trying to takes sides, here, just wanted to post my 2 cents.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 05, 2013, 06:24:58 PM
I'll say this: cramming so many games made over a 25 year period with multiple teams and producers into one timeline is tough, if not impossible to do if you want a solid story with no plot holes. MS had the right idea. They took castlevania and did their own thing with it and created a storyline completely separate from the existing games. This is possibly one of the best ways to develop a series. You come up with what you want the overall story to be and then you make the games. Once the story is complete, you hand the series to another developer to do what they want the lore and let them create their vision of it. In the end, you end of with several timelines. Each one telling it's own story independent of the other timelines. No plot holes what so ever theoretically speaking.

Just my take on things.

Thats the problem, they want to throw everything away to do a new thing and them throw the essence together by mistake, if you want to do something new, do something really new (dont touch something that already exist) or maintain the essence.

They did do the Rocket Knight reboot too, but I haven't played it. Anyone here can say how that came out?

I've played it a bit, in quality its almost a Sonic 4 Part 1 game, its good but doesnt have a nice intro stage or nice story like the old ones. Also the fact that almost no one noticed that this game have been launched is a proof of how bad their marketing is.

Just to chime in here...

What makes IGA's vision any more valid than those other devs?

"well he was the current producer" you might say... (was he exec producer of Cv for those years?) which validates his choices to make "his vision".

Now, what makes his vision any more valid than Cox's? Cox is the current producer. If he wanted, and Konami gave him the go ahead, he could go back to the classic canon, implement his vision, and strike out whatever games he feels don't fit in it. Including IGAvanias.

What then?

The great difference is that Cox doesnt seem to understand anything from the past titles and would try to make it turns in Lords of Shadows, where you would find various barrels instead of candles in Drac's Castle (Drac really likes to be drunk almost all the time eh?) and chests with that are so hard to open that you need to press a button a bunch of times.

Also he doesnt seem to respect the fanbase and acts like "I made this game and if you really doesnt like it, buy it so I will go away... kidding, I will make a sequel anyway". We've already seem that his vision doesnt include past games and he would like to redo everything in his own way and them throw everything else away.

In short: Cox's problem is his arrogance and vision of the already existing CV universe, that tries to deny already existing things instead of trying to work together.
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Post by: crisis on August 05, 2013, 06:25:28 PM
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What makes IGA's vision any more valid than those other devs?

The fact that those devs originally intended for those certain games to be "Gaidens," and IGA even later re-included them in the timeline as "side stories." The timeline that came with the preorder bonus for PoR clearly shows them, but they have no description of the events in relation to the rest of the games, because they're just side stories. I thought this was common knowledge by now?

Only game that isn't included anywhere was Legends, because "iga's sexist" blah blah


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What then?

Then Cox will just be hated on even more, putting him on the same hate-train IGA was put on..
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Post by: Maedhros on August 05, 2013, 06:47:56 PM
I never said IGA had a vendetta against anyone. All I said was that he struck every game that was developed without him post SOTN from the storyline. He would have been better off calling all of his titles for example: Castlevania: Symphony of The Night: Harmony of Dissonace. He should have taken the same route as MS and made his own proprietary timeline.

I reject the idea of his storyline being the official canon. I love many of his games, but I don't think he handled the story well at all. It was a jumbled mess.

Hate on me all you want. That's my opinion.  :rollseyes:
HE made a timeline because someone asked him to make one, not because he actually wanted. I don't think he wanted to be the guy who only makes Castlevania too.

Castlevania history sucks in the first place, I don't think it was made to be a giant history, they simply wanted to make one. It doesn't make games better or worse at all, if a game isn't on the timeline.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 05, 2013, 06:48:57 PM
I never said IGA had a vendetta against anyone. All I said was that he struck every game that was developed without him post SOTN from the storyline.

Hate on me all you want. That's my opinion.  :rollseyes:

See thats what your not getting, its not anything he had against those guys, if you would actually READ beingthehero's post you will see that he was asked by the developers of those game to NOT put them in his timeline and they told him it was their own vision and it was self contained.

What was he supposed to do?

Ignore them and put them in his timeline anyway?

So your holding it against the guy because he respected his fellow colleagues wishes?

Come one dude, stop raging without reason man.

And fyi, no one is hating on you here, just disagreeing, clear difference their buddy. ;)
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Post by: Belmontoya on August 05, 2013, 08:17:17 PM
See thats what your not getting, its not anything he had against those guys, if you would actually READ beingthehero's post you will see that he was asked by the developers of those game to NOT put them in his timeline and they told him it was their own vision and it was self contained.

I read his post, and I understood everything. That is why my response said that I never claimed he had a vendetta. I find it irritating that every game post SOTN that was not developed by IGA was stricken, or humored with the "side story" label. I don't really care what his logic was for it or who was involved in it or ok with it. I don't like it.

I own the special edition POR that included the stylus and timeline. It's a cool little package. I remember being bothered by that timeline when I read it.

Not really sure how or why you would accuse me of raging DarkPrince. I see people griping on here about LOS's score or some trivial comment Cox makes all the time. Is it "raging" for me to mention something that irritates me?

I agree with Maedrhos that the Castlevania timeline sucks. That's why I like to think of each different developer's games as their own universe. I don't like the idea of a "main cannon". That's all.

I actually wouldn't mind if they just remade Castlevania 1 every 5 years. Hahaha. I'm kinda bummed MS didn't go that route.

But anyways... If it has Dracula and a Belmont, it's Castlevania.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 05, 2013, 08:37:45 PM
But anyways... If it has Dracula and a Belmont, it's Castlevania.

Maybe that why he retconned these titles, CotM doesnt have a Belmont, 64/LoD doesnt have a Belmont too, so by following this logic, they arent Castlevania and therefore are self-contained   :P
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Post by: Belmontoya on August 05, 2013, 08:46:12 PM
lol. I guess you got me on that one!
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Post by: Lelygax on August 05, 2013, 08:51:32 PM
Thanks for not taking that last post seriously, it was supposed to poke some fun here XD
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 05, 2013, 09:08:35 PM
Nowadays, games are being developed to seem like movies. Gaming industry is becoming into another form of artistic expression. The current take on Castlevania is adding up to this artistic approach. The fact that there is people really thinking of ways to give the Castlevania franchise a breath of new life is worth to fans to appreciatte it. Impressive visuals and gameplay, deep story, voice acting in these and many other games come from artists. This is the new way of making videogames. There is no true Castlevania. Like somebody else wrote earlier: It has Dracula and Belmonts, that and the name Konami, make a Castlevania game wheter we like it or not. LOS was great because it was critically acclaimed and sold a lot of copies. All of that puts a game in the category of ''good'' if not ''great''. Mercurysteam paid tribute to older CV games by including many names of past games. I personally think that LOS saga is what Nolan did with Batman in the last three Dark Knight movies :)
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Post by: crisis on August 05, 2013, 10:12:25 PM
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Nowadays, games are being developed to seem like movies.

That's what many of us here at the CVD dislike. We want our CV games to stay CV games, not conform to Hollywood stereotypes and what's "in" at the moment just because that's what everyone else is doing (every movie being converted to the 3D craze nowadays, comes to mind). The series began as a tongue-in-cheek tribute to classic horror films, with it's own unique atmosphere that was perceived through a Japanese viewpoint. That was the series' charm. It never took itself too seriously.

LoS is definitely the result if a Hollywood studio were to acquire the rights and make it into a film. All the drastic changes are comparable to how studio executives would approach this property, especially in this day and age (I believe a 90s-era movie would've been entirely different, a lot more cheese-factor). Which is why the game has been unofficially dubbed "The Game of the Movie" by some. Which isn't terrible, in fact most of us appreciate & enjoy the LoS saga for the added exposure it gave the Castlevania brand. However, if that's at the expense of the classic themes many of us grew up with, certain themes that the LoS developers admittedly dropped in favor of a much more generalized style, then that's a problem. I realize some people are fine with that, but there CAN be a happy medium where both sides of the fence are happy. Whether or not Konami acknowledges this medium remains to be seen.



And honestly, if people somehow find the CV timeline cumbersome (it's pretty straight-forward if you ask me), then they must REALLY hate the Zelda "timeline," lol
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 05, 2013, 10:17:42 PM
Nowadays, games are being developed to seem like movies. Gaming industry is becoming into another form of artistic expression. The current take on Castlevania is adding up to this artistic approach. The fact that there is people really thinking of ways to give the Castlevania franchise a breath of new life is worth to fans to appreciatte it. Impressive visuals and gameplay, deep story, voice acting in these and many other games come from artists. This is the new way of making videogames. There is no true Castlevania. Like somebody else wrote earlier: It has Dracula and Belmonts, that and the name Konami, make a Castlevania game wheter we like it or not. LOS was great because it was critically acclaimed and sold a lot of copies. All of that puts a game in the category of ''good'' if not ''great''. Mercurysteam paid tribute to older CV games by including many names of past games. I personally think that LOS saga is what Nolan did with Batman in the last three Dark Knight movies :)
Meh, I think Christopher Nolan's overrated. Quoting that on IMDb is like sacrilege. I don't care, Nolanites can come at me!

Besides, it's not the "new way of making video games" rather one of many ways of making video games. If you are going to compare them to movies, compare the fact that movies can be anything from being epic, dramatic, comedic, artsy, horror, sci-fi, short, long, ambient, noisy, obscure or to the point. There is variety in movies, as is in video games. To say video games SHOULD all head in this one direction is to be close minded. It's kinda like David Cage, who believes the gameplay "fun" games are a thing of the past, a relic that should not be continued on into the new generation. That all games, from now one, should strive to be as deep and thought provoking as possible. I don't wanna get into the majority of reasons why the load of that is a crock of shit(Frankly, I'm not in the mood). Just search up some Jim Sterling Jimquisition vids. He hits the nail on the head to why this sort of thinking is flawed.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 05, 2013, 10:26:19 PM
I agree with most of the people :p but, like it or not, times are changing and may bring new cv games that may not look like nothing from the past. The visuals and music of past games, are still there in those same games, but sometimes changes are needed and are unavoidable. I think that if more games like LOS are made, personally, I would be very happy. I still and will always enjoy the old cv titles, but new developers are coming. Iga did well in many of his cv games, but became repetitive, trying to reformulate sotn and that is not cool.

Zelda timeline is extremely confusing lol
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Post by: The Puritan on August 05, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
I personally think that LOS saga is what Nolan did with Batman in the last three Dark Knight movies :)

This is exactly what Cox thinks too.  :(

Regardless, that'd put both film!Batman and Castlevania in the same spot: both of their futures are up in the air because their reboot trilogies are over/about to end.
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Post by: Pfil on August 05, 2013, 10:40:53 PM
Everyone is completely (COMPLETELY) missing my original point.
With all respect. I'll try to make it short and clear.

Bare in mind that this "canon" you speak of was pieced together by IGA who picked and chose what games were included, conveintly leaving out every game that he had no part of post SOTN.
I hardly consider IGA's idea of the canon to be the true story because it is completely unfair to the hard work that other developers contributed to Castlevania.
I prefer to give every game in the series the credit of being a "real" Castlevania. Even those games that I don't care for.
I don't really care if the stories don't line up. If you want to know the only true story of Dracula, then you must read Bram Stoker's novel.
CV has always been reinventing itself, it's best to embrace that IMO. The one thing that stays consistent is that CV is a game that re-tells the story of Dracula in new and various ways. That's what I always look forward to.
I don't care about Iga (though I loved his games) and I don't care about the story.
I want a Castlevania game that looks and sounds like ANYTHING from 1986-2008. I don't care if it's canon or not, that would be a stupid position, and I couldn't care less about it.
I read the book, I watched the movie, and I really don't give a damn about that or about story, why would I care about Bram Stoker's Dracula when I want to play a Castlevania game that looks and sounds like always have?
I just want Castlevania to sound and look like any game from the franchise I love. I don't care if it's Legacy, Circle of the Moon or Legends, I like those game as much as I love the rest, some of them even more.
It's as simple as that. It can't get more simple than that.

I am enjoying very much the LOS universe, and this is the way Castlevania games should be made from now on IMO.
So, you want Castlevania music to die. Never again to have something like Wood Carving Partita, Prayer for Tragic Queen, Leon Belmont's Theme, Mad Forest and dozens upon dozens of themes that created a unique sound.

Nowadays, games are being developed to seem like movies. Gaming industry is becoming into another form of artistic expression.
Abysmal mistake. With all respect. Games were always a form of art. They are not becoming that now.
And I have plenty of games that I can enjoy if I want to feel I'm into a movie. I'm loving The Last Of Us. I loved al 3 Bioshock games. I really liked recent DmC and Tomb Raider games. I really like Skyrim.
But Castlevania is not that. Castlevania isn't something you can insert into some trend or compare to other games. Castlevania is, in aesthetics, in soundtrack, in the soul and feeling of the games, something unique.
If you transform it into something else, it's not CV anymore.

And one more thing, to all new fans. You are being selfish if you just want the new tendency to be made and don't care about the legacy of the franchise. It's like if when SotN came out and catched me I would go saying: this is the way Castlevania should be made from now on, ClassicVania is obsolete.
And everyone knows how much I love MetroidVanias, but they also know I also love ClassicVanias, and old 3DVanias even.
Why? Because they all look and sound the same.

And I can't believe that it turned into this discussion again when all I was talking about in the beginning was the mediocre state of Hollywood soundtracks and when I didn't even mentioned Lords of Shadow this time.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 05, 2013, 11:17:26 PM
I've been playing cv games since 1992, so I understand the importance of Castlevania and I have played almost every game. As I said before, those emblematic themes, will still be there. Yes the games look more like hollywood productions, no, we will not forget any cv game. But nobody controls how konami will release cv games. We gotta play and create a judgement of the games. LOS is not in the grace of many just because it isn't sotn, don't have classic tunes and those arguments are extremely invalid and we as fans are being selfish to just expect games that only we can like. I believe we must give a rational judgement on the games and not just dislike it because it didn't contain ''vampire killer'' or ''bloody tears'' (I think that LoI and CoD have a very cool soundtracks) and I'm sure that CoD and LoI would receive the same reaction as LOS because it too did not have vampire killer and bloody tears. I think that there were remixes in those ost anyway
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 06, 2013, 01:27:55 AM
I leave for couple of days XD I find this in the thread. It seems any Lord of Shadows thread always circle around the argument on its merits of being a proper castlevania. I am glad at least that trilogy is ending and hopefully a castlevania game will come that will bring new fans and bring the current fan base closer together.

I been wondering where is castle located anyway in LOS2? If large part of game connects to Modern era in which the city surrounds the castle then how do you access it? I have theory that castle is in another dimension which Gabriel has to travel between and it's location as shattered remains in physical plane of the modern era.
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Post by: Nagumo on August 06, 2013, 01:31:06 AM
I read his post, and I understood everything. That is why my response said that I never claimed he had a vendetta. I find it irritating that every game post SOTN that was not developed by IGA was stricken, or humored with the "side story" label. I don't really care what his logic was for it or who was involved in it or ok with it. I don't like it.

Canon in Castlevania only has to do with continuity. It's not like a literary canon or something like that. Games like Circle of the Moon are not less of a Castlevania game because they take place in their own world. It has nothing to do with IGA's vision. Symphony was considered a spin-off at the time, so it makes no sense that games that come after need to adhere to his vision. I'm assuming that's how you think things are (otherwise I don't really understand why you are upset by it), and if that's the case you're looking into things too deeply.
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Post by: KaZudra on August 06, 2013, 01:47:51 AM
This is exactly what Cox thinks too.  :(

Regardless, that'd put both film!Batman and Castlevania in the same spot: both of their futures are up in the air because their reboot trilogies are over/about to end.

Don't Say That, Dark Knight Rises has so many Plot-holes its not even funny.

Personally, I don't mind the LoS series, it gives us a new take on the story, gives us a Neo "Classic", and Soon let us play as Dracula himself.

My Only Hope is that the Future Castevania Games will be treated with such Detail, providing a major event in every story as opposed to Filler such as most of the Castlevania games in the Timeline, while they are nice, most serve absolutely no purpose in the Big Picture, then again, the big picture doesn't have much plot in itself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 06, 2013, 06:07:31 AM
I'll cut in to provide some news amidst the debate that seems to never end...

We will soon get a new extended trailer for LoS2.
http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/news.do?idNews=724 (http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/news.do?idNews=724)

Oh and Coxee says we can air dodge in LoS2.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 06, 2013, 06:09:57 AM

I been wondering where is castle located anyway in LOS2? If large part of game connects to Modern era in which the city surrounds the castle then how do you access it?

Remember that white wolf that was shown in the trailer? In the Destructoid preview it said that Dracula uses the wolf to gain access to areas outside the castle.

I'll cut in to provide some news amidst the debate that seems to never end...

We will soon get a new extended trailer for LoS2.
http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/news.do?idNews=724 (http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/news.do?idNews=724)

Oh and Coxee says we can air dodge in LoS2.

The initial trailer was long enough already, im guessing we'll get a extra minute or so with some new clips sprinkled in.
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Post by: crisis on August 06, 2013, 06:23:01 AM
I just hope the game doesn't get delayed until February or something. Although sometimes delays can be good in the long run (more time to iron out the bugs and glitches), am tired of waiting arghh!! *looks at Kingshango with deep anger in eyes* >:(
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 06, 2013, 07:00:37 AM
What is ''true Castlevania''?

There isn't a specific element, but many elements blended together, like music, aesthetic graphics, game play, enemies designs e.t.c.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 06, 2013, 08:44:58 AM
I can't wait to hear the new soundtrack of LOS2. Orchestra and techno music, so far sounds great
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 06, 2013, 08:49:44 AM
Climax?
Anyone knows how the music will turn out with those developers? (at least some hints).
And how about the look?

Well they got Yamaoka for their 2 Silent Hills so they might get Yamane for their Castlevanias, given the case.
Anyway they are very respectful of the source material. To go no further: They were tasked with making the origin story of canonical Silent Hill, and nailed it. i'm really ok with them being the next devs.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 06, 2013, 09:15:36 AM
Well they got Yamaoka for their 2 Silent Hills so they might get Yamane for their Castlevanias, given the case.
Anyway they are very respectful of the source material. To go no further: They were tasked with making the origin story of canonical Silent Hill, and nailed it. i'm really ok with them being the next devs.

I would also like to add that as plain as their Rocket Knight game was, it did have some neat tunes and they even did justice to the stage 1 theme for the original.


 
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Post by: Lelygax on August 06, 2013, 12:08:17 PM
Sorry but I really tried to ignore this, but I couldnt

I've been playing cv games since 1992, so I understand the importance of Castlevania and I have played almost every game. As I said before, those emblematic themes, will still be there. Yes the games look more like hollywood productions, no, we will not forget any cv game. But nobody controls how konami will release cv games. We gotta play and create a judgement of the games. LOS is not in the grace of many just because it isn't sotn, don't have classic tunes and those arguments are extremely invalid and we as fans are being selfish to just expect games that only we can like. I believe we must give a rational judgement on the games and not just dislike it because it didn't contain ''vampire killer'' or ''bloody tears'' (I think that LoI and CoD have a very cool soundtracks) and I'm sure that CoD and LoI would receive the same reaction as LOS because it too did not have vampire killer and bloody tears. I think that there were remixes in those ost anyway

We already have CV Judgement...
Seriously now, I dont see anything "invalid" here, the moment that you stop hearing opinions from the others you become a close minded person. If you took your time to at least read 3 post you would know that we dont need another SOTN nor remixes to a new CV game be good. Also its not about forget or remember, we want it to vividly acts as a CV game.

Also, focusing in this
and we as fans are being selfish to just expect games that only we can like.

 We dont have been born as CV fans, we have in some point at our life known about this and then became a fan because of CV traits. So its difficult to we be selfish about that, you are a fan of CV and if it changes too drastically, you are fan of something else that tries to be CV (Im not talking about LoS now, Im talking of everything that tries to do that, in any franchise).
 Its like if we pick a orange and say "hey, I like oranges" and then his friend says that prefer apples. Then a third guy hear this, creates a apple that looks like a orange and say "hey, try that one". Obviously this guy will eat it thinking its a real orange when its truly isnt, and will like it, but whenever he tries to eat any other real orange he will not like it and simply will not know why. About the first guy, that one that likes oranges, if he eat that fake orange he will instantly knows that there is something wrong, its not the real thing.

Orange's boy: real fans from a franchise.
Apple's boy: newcomers tricked into a franchise, they dont like the real thing.
Fake Orange's/Disguised Apple's boy: companies that try to trick more people in playing his franchise, showing something that isnt true to his franchise and trying to become something else.

What happens then? Apple's boy wants more oranges that arent real oranges, but he doesnt know the truth and dont want to accept it. Then the shit hit the fan and the fanbase division begins.
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Post by: Pfil on August 06, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
I've been playing cv games since 1992, so I understand the importance of Castlevania and I have played almost every game. As I said before, those emblematic themes, will still be there. Yes the games look more like hollywood productions, no, we will not forget any cv game. But nobody controls how konami will release cv games. We gotta play and create a judgement of the games. LOS is not in the grace of many just because it isn't sotn, don't have classic tunes and those arguments are extremely invalid and we as fans are being selfish to just expect games that only we can like. I believe we must give a rational judgement on the games and not just dislike it because it didn't contain ''vampire killer'' or ''bloody tears'' (I think that LoI and CoD have a very cool soundtracks) and I'm sure that CoD and LoI would receive the same reaction as LOS because it too did not have vampire killer and bloody tears. I think that there were remixes in those ost anyway
Bloody Tears? Vampire Killer? You are very new here. You wouldn't otherwise misunderstand my point.
I couldn't care less about themes I've already heard a million times. I want NEW MUSIC that sounds like Castlevania.
And I love CoD and LoI, by the way. And CoD is one of my favourite Castlevania soundtracks ever, together with Portrait of Ruin, Order of Eclessia and SotN.
No we don't need another SotN. We need more ClassicVania and MetroidVania, that look and sound like CV.
Unless you are doing it deliberately, you can't fail to understand that.
Also, be careful with expressions like "invalid argument". It reminds me of a certain user we used to have here.
I would add a large text, but Lelygax has already made a marvelous comparison.

Sorry but I really tried to ignore this, but I couldnt

We already have CV Judgement...
Seriously now, I dont see anything "invalid" here, the moment that you stop hearing opinions from the others you become a close minded person. If you took your time to at least read 3 post you would know that we dont need another SOTN nor remixes to a new CV game be good. Also its not about forget or remember, we want it to vividly acts as a CV game.

Also, focusing in this
 We dont have been born as CV fans, we have in some point at our life known about this and then became a fan because of CV traits. So its difficult to we be selfish about that, you are a fan of CV and if it changes too drastically, you are fan of something else that tries to be CV (Im not talking about LoS now, Im talking of everything that tries to do that, in any franchise).
 Its like if we pick a orange and say "hey, I like oranges" and then his friend says that prefer apples. Then a third guy hear this, creates a apple that looks like a orange and say "hey, try that one". Obviously this guy will eat it thinking its a real orange when its truly isnt, and will like it, but whenever he tries to eat any other real orange he will not like it and simply will not know why. About the first guy, that one that likes oranges, if he eat that fake orange he will instantly knows that there is something wrong, its not the real thing.

Orange's boy: real fans from a franchise.
Apple's boy: newcomers tricked into a franchise, they dont like the real thing.
Fake Orange's/Disguised Apple's boy: companies that try to trick more people in playing his franchise, showing something that isnt true to his franchise and trying to become something else.

What happens then? Apple's boy wants more oranges that arent real oranges, but he doesnt know the truth and dont want to accept it. Then the shit hit the fan and the fanbase division begins.
Amen to that.
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Post by: Pfil on August 06, 2013, 01:13:55 PM
Well they got Yamaoka for their 2 Silent Hills so they might get Yamane for their Castlevanias, given the case.
Anyway they are very respectful of the source material. To go no further: They were tasked with making the origin story of canonical Silent Hill, and nailed it. i'm really ok with them being the next devs.
That's good news, then.
Thanks for the info!  :)
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Post by: Flame on August 06, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
Air dodge? Awesome.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 06, 2013, 07:28:38 PM
Yeah, that's something that was missing from the first game. If you were in midair, you were completely open to attacks and if you were attacked, you would get hit and wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

It would be nice if it was either as mist or a teleport and that you would be able to continue a combo after said air dodge.
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Post by: uzo on August 06, 2013, 10:06:46 PM
Air dodge? Awesome.

Agreed. I want to see how that works out. It may help improve combat flow greatly.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 07, 2013, 02:02:00 AM
A LoS2 PC shot by Cox.

http://twitpic.com/d6tzvg/full (http://twitpic.com/d6tzvg/full)

Is that an S series Vaio?
Edit: Yup it is.
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Post by: uzo on August 07, 2013, 02:58:58 AM
On a laptop? It's probably his screen saver or a pre-rendered video.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 07, 2013, 06:00:51 AM
Except that it is said beneath the image "Look we are playing CVLOS2 on our laptops #PC". But you can be right, Cox is known for pulling some pranks.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 07, 2013, 07:49:17 AM
Optimization is nice
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 07, 2013, 09:15:22 AM
Another failed joke of him......
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 07, 2013, 09:58:03 AM
Somebody on twitter said that they played a pc demo of LOS2 and worked fine
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Post by: Maedhros on August 07, 2013, 07:24:31 PM
It'll probably have similar requirements to LoS Ultimate Edition. That's fine with me.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 08, 2013, 03:25:00 AM
More from Coxee's twitter:

@CastlevaniaLOS will Gabriel  learn alucards real name?
@IamtheDracul - He already knows who Alucard is #MOF
@CastlevaniaLOS  he never learned the name marie gave him....right?
@IamtheDracul - He finds out later... Dracul has his ways and means :)

Anyway, here's an article "Thoughts on LoS2"
http://www.gamnesia.com/articles/thoughts-on-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.gamnesia.com/articles/thoughts-on-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 08, 2013, 06:22:32 AM
I always liked the theory I think it was in Mirror of Fate Wiki that Dracula called him Alucard because he found about him through the mirror and so reversed his name  ;D. But you know its going to be hard with Dracula making up with Alucard what with him killing all the woman in Trevorcard life :( .
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Post by: Lelygax on August 08, 2013, 06:43:58 AM
More from Coxee's twitter:

@CastlevaniaLOS will Gabriel  learn alucards real name?
@IamtheDracul - He already knows who Alucard is #MOF
@CastlevaniaLOS  he never learned the name marie gave him....right?
@IamtheDracul - He finds out later... Dracul has his ways and means :)

So why he doesnt used that "ways and means" to discover Trevor's name before giving a new one to him or discover that Trevor had a son? lol

I know tham Im nitpicking here, but someone would point the same thing in a near future anyway lol
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 08, 2013, 06:56:27 AM
I think there way to solve that and I don't think its a contraction. The killing of the brotherhood and none survive in Dracula attack in Mirror of Fate might mean that all brotherhood were killed and it was rebuilt maybe by a another group of people who wanted to continue its legacy. That must mean that at the time there would be no one to say who Trevor was. Also maybe Trevor mission was only known to the masters of the order. Its possible he finds out later by his interactions with Belmonts who would know of Trevor from Simon Belmont or he could learn from Zobek :D.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 08, 2013, 08:07:17 AM
Yes, I totally forgot about Zobek! :P (only played this game for like 20 minutes)
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Post by: crisis on August 08, 2013, 08:21:38 AM
maybe Sonia Belmont told him o.o;
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 08, 2013, 08:25:28 AM
Maybe Shaft told him  ;D

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Post by: Lelygax on August 08, 2013, 08:53:06 AM
maybe Sonia Belmont told him o.o;

Sonia: Dracul! Alucard is Trevor, father of my son and is my son!

Gabriel: dafuq?!
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 08, 2013, 08:57:52 AM
Man I actually kinda wished for that. Mix up Lord of Shadows story line with Castlevania Legends.
ITS REAL INCESTUOUS VAMPIRES OF JERSEY!
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 08, 2013, 10:01:31 AM
Man I actually kinda wished for that. Mix up Lord of Shadows story line with Castlevania Legends.
ITS REAL INCESTUOUS VAMPIRES OF JERSEY!
LMAO!!!!

I've actually been wondering about the demo. We see Dracula in his castle and at full power. So, does that mean the demo took place before he was defeated by Simon and Alucard in MoF. Also, are those knights we saw invading the castle part of the Brotherhood of Light. I ask because didn't Dracula destroy the brotherhood after Trevor failed to kill him? Not to mention, didn't Dracula's castle collapse when Alucard and Simon defeated him?

I mean could it take place in the between when Trevor failed but before Simon went after Dracula.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 08, 2013, 10:14:40 AM
No it actually takes place after MOF because:
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Also, another spoiler :P .
http://twitpic.com/d76eyo (http://twitpic.com/d76eyo)
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Maedhros on August 08, 2013, 04:56:02 PM

http://www.gamnesia.com/articles/thoughts-on-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.gamnesia.com/articles/thoughts-on-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
What a bad article.

"Oh, that's fine", is probably what he would say.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 09, 2013, 01:40:24 AM
More articles:

http://www.destructoid.com/lords-of-shadow-2-s-dracula-still-evolving-as-a-character-259609.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/lords-of-shadow-2-s-dracula-still-evolving-as-a-character-259609.phtml)

http://www.psu.com/a020433/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PlayStationUniverse+%28Latest+News+-+PSU.com%29 (http://www.psu.com/a020433/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PlayStationUniverse+%28Latest+News+-+PSU.com%29)
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 09, 2013, 01:45:06 AM
I am excited to see how Robert Caryle performs in LOS2 despite the weak writing in MOF he actually did great work in scenes such as his confrontation with Trevor Belmont. Hopefully writing is much better because he is great actor that could do great stuff when given the material.

Also I hope you fight vampires in the game like the ones in Castlevania 64. The vampiric beasts should be lower vampires while the higher vampires should be more human. They had hints of this in MOF where you fight powerful human like vampires.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 09, 2013, 08:05:33 AM
Robert Caryle seems to be a great voice actor. I mean he did a great job in LoS1 and MoF despite the bad writing. I mean that scene in MoF when Dracula finds out that the dying Trevor is his son and tries to save him by giving him some of his blood. I almost cried. Caryle pulled that scene of perfectly. Let's just hope that the script for LoS2 is better than the last two games.
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Post by: crisis on August 09, 2013, 09:57:25 AM
Should they ever choose to release more Castlevania figures in the future, I hope they are done by Play Arts KAI. I recently acquired Batman & The Joker, and the detail on these are fantastic

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Aside from my custom Death, I would love a LoS2 Dracula, Richiter Belmont and/or Ralph. I believe Castlevania's characters would fit well within the Play Arts KAI toy line. The detail on such figures would be amazing! Someone should suggest this to Cox... get the ball rolling
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Post by: Bergaron on August 09, 2013, 10:59:54 AM
Come on guys, it's not worth speculating now. There are only three months, a little patience. Replay another game while waiting.

A lot of free time...!!
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Super Castlevania IV Soundset (SNESology) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwtb_Qz5D78#)
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 09, 2013, 11:31:32 AM
Come on guys, it's not worth speculating now. There are only three months, a little patience. Replay another game while waiting.

A lot of free time...!!
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Super Castlevania IV Soundset (SNESology) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwtb_Qz5D78#)
Three months? Why?  :o

(click to show/hide)

And thoset songs sound great hahaha, see? LoS music sounds awesome in chiptune, you wanted hummable melodies? there they are.
The beggining would have passed for SCVIV if you hadn't told me first.

And LOL at Oscar Araujo commenting that video.
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Post by: uzo on August 09, 2013, 11:32:30 AM
I could replay SCVIV and then just skip LOS2 anyway. Sounds good.
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Post by: Pfil on August 09, 2013, 03:33:35 PM
Also, another spoiler :P .
(click to show/hide)
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 09, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
(click to show/hide)


WHY THE F%&! DID I LOOK AT THIS FUUUUUUUU........


Ninja Turtles - Raphael DAMN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCmMbohXn6o#ws)
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Post by: Pfil on August 09, 2013, 05:06:06 PM
Oh don't tell me that I spoiled that Game of Thrones episode!
Now I feel bad about it...
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 09, 2013, 11:36:29 PM
That why I put it as spoilers  :'( . I wanted only those who knew to see it. I just saw as nice joke given Alucard is undead XD.
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Post by: Pfil on August 10, 2013, 02:09:49 AM
I used spoiler too, but they opened it anyway. I should have made Soma seal it  :P
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 10, 2013, 02:11:11 AM
I used spoiler too, but they opened it anyway. I should have made Soma seal it  :P

Uhm, doesn't Soma unseal stuff?
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Post by: Pfil on August 10, 2013, 02:18:22 AM
Uhm, doesn't Soma unseal stuff?
If he unseals he can seal, I guess...
I mean, if I open a door I can close it, right?  :P
Don't mind me, I'm all sleepy right now -.-
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 10, 2013, 02:28:04 AM
Lol but isn't sealing stuff :P kinda of difficult in Dawn of Sorrow. You know since the appearance of Side weapons is confirmed for Lord of Shadows 22 and its also confirmed that its going to be much more then Lord of Shadows as well as upgrades for your three weapons. I guess I am wondering what side weapons will be for Dracula in Lord of Shadows 2? I can imagine mist will be one of them like Alucard? But I guess what about others?  Also its mentioned that you will have to find upgrades and relics? What are relics, do they mean stuff like Speed boots? Would love if one of the side weapons is you could summon enemies ala Castlevania Curse of Darkness :D

Also that Lord of Shadows SNES soundtrack is pretty epic, guy is a genius!
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 10, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
I would imagine that one of the sub weapons would be a way to slow down if not stop time temporarily. It's a classic sub weapon and even Alucard had it in MoF. Seeing how LoS1 and MoF both had 4 sub weapons for characters, I would guess that we will have 4 in LoS2. So, assuming that one is a stop watch like weapon, I would guess that the others are possibly mist form, wolf form, and a bat form. Just my thoughts. I'm probably way off.

All I care about right now is playing with the void sword and demon gauntlets and seeing what their upgrades are. Not to mention that Gabriel/Dracula is seems to move much faster than he was in LoS1 (not surprising seeing how he is a vampire in this game).

I'm just full of anticipation for anything new revealed!!! I heard that a new trailer is coming out soon. If that's the case, when does it come out?
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 10, 2013, 03:06:02 PM
You know I am glad we have only three weapons. In other Hack and Slash games like GOW or DMC, there are too many weapons and usually only two or three good ones. So its good they limited them, better the quality. I am hoping we see some new sub weapons different from Alucard in order to differentiate him. Hope the mist form for Dracula works the same it did for Laura in the Reverie DLC. Also I hope the sub weapons intermix with light and dark magic like in Lord of Shadows to have some cool effects! I hope the trailer actually shows a lot of new stuff and not just some glorified extended trailer with 1 minute extra  :-\
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Post by: Lelygax on August 10, 2013, 03:25:55 PM
It would be good if we could play with Gabula in a dragon form.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 10, 2013, 03:29:30 PM
Well in the destructoid article it says there are relics you can collect to turn into a Dragon which I think for a limited time :D. Hopefully you can fly too and burn fire and shit :D. You know since we know we can play as other characters people been talking about Alucard but it would be cool if we can play as new belmont making it like play Lord of Shadows 1 with limited sub weapons!
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Post by: Lelygax on August 10, 2013, 03:58:46 PM
Yeah, since its open world, imagine a GTA where you control a fucking dragon, that would be great :O
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Post by: crisis on August 10, 2013, 04:19:49 PM
I remember when everyone here thought the first LoS was gonna be Super Castlevania IV in 3D, like they promised


if you have a lot of high hopes for LoS2 such as female Belmonts and additional playable characters and boss rush mode and remixes, prepare to be disappointed. It's best to keep your expectations realistic imo
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Post by: Lelygax on August 10, 2013, 04:24:13 PM
It was a joke, remember that I've disliked LoS and MoF, so I will only give a chance for this game when it launches, but I dont expect anything from it, at least not yet. :P

thanks for the tip anyway.
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Post by: Flame on August 10, 2013, 06:43:35 PM
I remember when everyone here thought the first LoS was gonna be Super Castlevania IV in 3D, like they promised


if you have a lot of high hopes for LoS2 such as female Belmonts and additional playable characters and boss rush mode and remixes, prepare to be disappointed. It's best to keep your expectations realistic imo
I still think parts of it feel like SCIV 3D.

But that's just me.

That said though, keeping expectations realistic is good advice. Don't expect anything too "good to be true".

I mean, Im looking forward to LoS2, but I'm not expecting female belmonts playable Alucard, etc. I'm expecting a good LoS Game with hopefully a satisfying conclusion to the story, and good gameplay that improves upon 1 and 1.5

I do expect, as is tradition, knowing Cox and MS, some sort of SoTN nod here or there, (line drop, name drop, that sort of thing)
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Post by: Maedhros on August 10, 2013, 07:09:32 PM
You know I am glad we have only three weapons. In other Hack and Slash games like GOW or DMC, there are too many weapons and usually only two or three good ones. So its good they limited them, better the quality. I am hoping we see some new sub weapons different from Alucard in order to differentiate him. Hope the mist form for Dracula works the same it did for Laura in the Reverie DLC. Also I hope the sub weapons intermix with light and dark magic like in Lord of Shadows to have some cool effects! I hope the trailer actually shows a lot of new stuff and not just some glorified extended trailer with 1 minute extra  :-\
I think these 3 weapons will create another problem: Color coded enemies. This shit sucks. We see this already with the enemies with shield. First you need to break their shields with the gauntlets or the sword (probably, that wasn't on the demo, but on the game we will see)... Just like Satan in LoS, actually, only every fucking time. Maybe I'm wrong though... I hope

@Flame
We already have a SOTN nod on the demo, the "Little pile of secrets", completely out of context. It would be better if he kept his trap shut.
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Post by: jestercolony on August 11, 2013, 02:12:35 AM
So, something of a slight confusion hit me just a few minutes ago... So in the original canon Alucard is a Dampire (half human/vampire). But does this mean in the Lords of Shadows universe that this time, instead of being a Dampire, he is a full blooded vampire?
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Post by: Nagumo on August 11, 2013, 02:24:43 AM
Yes.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 11, 2013, 02:47:12 AM
I am keeping my expectations realistic but I am just going with what these articles have said so far. And they have mentioned collecting relics to be Dracula and playable characters other then him for certain points which mean you could play as Belmont or Alucard. At very least I expect this to be much better then LOS a game I enjoyed :D.

I think it won't be like that certaintly the demo showed the armor at some point but I doubt it will be colored coded enemies. In Lord of Shadows only the Pan and Satan fight had you fight in color coded fashion and I can expect you to only do that in certain fights. I am looking forward to these three weapons as long s it doesn't devolve into tediousness of color codeness and switching weapons that plagued DMC.
in
Dave Cox mentioned that if Alucard took blood, he would turn back to looking like Trevor in MOF. I wonder how circumstances of him drinking blood will come about? Will Alucard have a love interest in the game that will give him blood to be empowered to fight Dracula?
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Post by: Lelygax on August 11, 2013, 11:47:44 AM
Colored coded? You mean these enemies where you need to follow the same pattern every time only to kill them?
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 11, 2013, 12:08:55 PM
Colored coded? You mean these enemies where you need to follow the same pattern every time only to kill them?
That would suck, but hopefully it won't be like that. As we saw in the demo, there will be some enemies with shields and you need the gauntlets to break the shields.  I would hope that there are some enemies that are immune to certain weapons and others you need more than one weapon to kill. For example: an enemy with a shield, but it's body is immune to the gauntlets yet vulnerable to the sword. Cox says that we will need to be more strategic in this game and despite the fact he as mislead and lied to us before, I hope that he is telling the truth in this respect.
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Post by: somasworld on August 15, 2013, 05:05:58 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THe Castlevania Collection  is coming !!!!!! Konami prepares....and at Gamescom Köln we get more news !!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Collection comes out this year for Xbox 360 and PS3:
    Castlevania Lords of Shadow 1
    Castlevania Lords of Shadow 1 DLC 1 - Reverie
    Castlevania Lords of Shadow 1 DLC 2 - Resurrection
    Castlevania Lords of Shadow Mirror of Fate HD     jjippyyy :))))
    Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Exclusive Demo
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
here are two links:
http://www.play-asia.com/dont-miss-out-on-the-castlevania-collection-lords-of-shadow-for-ps3-and-360-excl-paOS-17-74-4o7-49-de.html (http://www.play-asia.com/dont-miss-out-on-the-castlevania-collection-lords-of-shadow-for-ps3-and-360-excl-paOS-17-74-4o7-49-de.html)

http://gamefront.de/ (http://gamefront.de/)

 :) :) :)  ;D ;D ;D ;D  :) :)   :P :P :P :P
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Post by: KaZudra on August 15, 2013, 05:15:04 AM
I'll bet MoF HD is getting an independent release on steam
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Post by: Flame on August 15, 2013, 09:13:53 AM
> Lords of Shadow collection
> LoS2 Demo

what. Seriously? They can't just wait and include it?
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Post by: VladCT on August 15, 2013, 09:18:52 AM
what. Seriously? They can't just wait and include it?
I'm betting the marketing team done goofed again.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 15, 2013, 09:20:45 AM
> Lords of Shadow collection
> LoS2 Demo

what. Seriously? They can't just wait and include it?

Guess it's coming out before it, which means that LOS2 is definitely not coming out this year. ???

Also, Cox retweeted the PlayAsia listing so I guess it's really happening.
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Post by: DoctaMario on August 15, 2013, 09:34:28 AM
If that link is true, I really hope we don't have to buy LoS1 again to get MoFHD. I'd like to see them release MoF on Steam too, I'd buy it. I don't want a 3DS.  :P
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 15, 2013, 09:41:34 AM
Oh.My.God


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Post by: KaZudra on August 15, 2013, 10:21:07 AM
Collections before vital release? sounds like the gaming industry is taking a page from the Harry Potter marketing.
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Post by: Dremn on August 15, 2013, 10:21:22 AM
Why would they release a collection BEFORE LoS2?

That is so stupid.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 15, 2013, 11:18:07 AM
Why would they release a collection BEFORE LoS2?

That is so stupid.

Because LoS2 is not launching until next yar and they want people who didn't play LoS1 and caught up in the hype come aboard, oh, and the most majorily of people that didn't play MoF and played LoS will know WTF is going on. Next year, next gen consoles argoing to be dominant and such collection wouldn't be justfiable.

They'l probably release a "Trilogy Pack" on next gen consoles.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 15, 2013, 12:36:49 PM
> Lords of Shadow collection
> LoS2 Demo

what. Seriously? They can't just wait and include it?

No, because they want to do a Ultimate Collection version, so you will pay again for it.

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Post by: Lilgigs on August 16, 2013, 04:45:34 PM
Because LoS2 is not launching until next yar....

Ahasverus do you have inside knowledge or are you guessing because they are saying winter?
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 16, 2013, 07:04:48 PM
Ahasverus do you have inside knowledge or are you guessing because they are saying winter?
Yes, winter could mean December around Christmas for all we know. For all we know, it could come out on the first day of winter. We just need to be patient and wait for more info.
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Post by: somasworld on August 16, 2013, 11:53:59 PM
winter means often end of february !!!
so if they say the release is winter that means Lords of Shadow 2 will be released
not before spring 2014 / march... :( ....little delays with every game...

it will never happened that a game come out before the release-window i think :(
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 17, 2013, 12:01:45 AM
Ah yes, february. Or they can delay it further saying they have found bugs that they need to fix.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 17, 2013, 09:45:29 AM
I'd perfer it to come out in mid January/February rather than December, there's too much coming out in the coming months and it would be lost in the skirmish of the heavy hitters releases and you know, the clash of the next gen consoles.

LOS2 coming out in the holiday aftermath months would be perfect and besides, hack n slash games tend to come out in Q1 anyway.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 17, 2013, 02:41:59 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/16/konami-added-exploration-to-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-because-fans-asked-for-it/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/16/konami-added-exploration-to-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-because-fans-asked-for-it/)

New interview detailing the exploration aspects and optional boss battles. Cox states that first time someone goes through game will only see 50-60%, however I think I am going to add 10-15% to that statement since it was claimed that mirror of fate was going to be 16-20 hours and I clocked it in 14 hours with 100%.
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Post by: Maedhros on August 17, 2013, 03:52:02 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/16/konami-added-exploration-to-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-because-fans-asked-for-it/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/16/konami-added-exploration-to-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-because-fans-asked-for-it/)

New interview detailing the exploration aspects and optional boss battles. Cox states that first time someone goes through game will only see 50-60%, however I think I am going to add 10-15% to that statement since it was claimed that mirror of fate was going to be 16-20 hours and I clocked it in 14 hours with 100%.
That's nice! 60% only? Something like Inverted Castle? Breakable walls? Secret puzzles (like the cogs from SOTN)? That's the shit that I love there, if I see here in LoS2... hnnnng!
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Post by: Lelygax on August 17, 2013, 04:06:20 PM
40% will be for a unlockable char/mode or DLC?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 17, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
I think the game will be linear until certain point in which you will be given the option to either to continue the story or explore. I don't think there will be backtracking like in Metroidvania games, could be wrong. Yeah I am pretty excited about optional areas and boss fights.

I do think Cox has exaggerated before and I can understand being cynical towards him but I am optimistic for this game until proven otherwise :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 17, 2013, 04:19:56 PM
Maybe its like Sonic and te Black Knight, you finish it one time and then discover (if you are smart you will discover it by itself before the revelation) that its not the real ending. You need to load the game after the fake credits to continue playing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Koutei on August 17, 2013, 07:10:49 PM
I found this by Japanese Yahoo! Auction.
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r105388905 (http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r105388905)
http://www.studiooxmox.com/sites_e/frame_life.html (http://www.studiooxmox.com/sites_e/frame_life.html)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 18, 2013, 02:39:03 AM
I found this by Japanese Yahoo! Auction.
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r105388905 (http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r105388905)
http://www.studiooxmox.com/sites_e/frame_life.html (http://www.studiooxmox.com/sites_e/frame_life.html)

OMG! They are really selling it, but the price.....  :'(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on August 18, 2013, 05:32:12 AM
OMG! They are really selling it, but the price.....  :'(

Relax Shiroi, that figure will have it in FNAC when it goes on sale the game. (I bet my left hand) .. only 6500 euros  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

About 60% in LOS2.... Wait, I get my guess ball, the game have about 20 hours, 25 if you go in tranquility. I do not believe any of Cox, when that other person confirm me then yes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 18, 2013, 09:42:03 AM
Bergaron is like our game's mafia informer, he discover things so fast :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 18, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
That's nice! 60% only? Something like Inverted Castle? Breakable walls? Secret puzzles (like the cogs from SOTN)? That's the shit that I love there, if I see here in LoS2... hnnnng!

Is it just me, or am I the only one who hates how Cox keeps on pressing the issue of "we are not going to take anyhting form SOTN nor make a metroidvania game"?

Does the guy dislike it that much that he has to stress this constantly?

No one is asking the guy to make a exact 3.D metroidvania, but if he wants to take some elements from it then at least own up to it.

Now thanks to this interview I fear there may be no backtracking to find extra stuff, more like someone else suggested earlier about there simply being alternate paths to take on your quest at a certain point.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 18, 2013, 09:45:26 AM
How extensive Beragon do you think the optional stuff is? If he saying optional boss battles and area it probably more then Lord of Shadow 1 but how much more that is question.

Honestly no I am not against it because the media on castlevania has tendency that when mercury steam said its going to have more exploration elements such as in Mirror of Fate or Lord of Shadow 2 people are saying its going to be 3D symphony of night which it isn't and I think that is why Cox and co have to clarify it. I doubt there will be backtracking but I do think there will be optional exploration which I am fine about :D. I love the story to be straightforward and for the exploration to be its own separate thing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on August 18, 2013, 09:52:23 AM

Didn't Cox once say that LoS2 was gonna be built like Darksiders or Arkham City? He may say stuff that isn't always true, but if it's anything like those games, we're looking at something that is rather "open" in structure. They can't give us a linear action game with a couple of alternate paths now. (Except they totally can and we can't do anything about it. But I still have faith!)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 18, 2013, 09:56:04 AM


Honestly no I am not against it because the media on castlevania has tendency that when mercury steam said its going to have more exploration elements such as in Mirror of Fate or Lord of Shadow 2 people are saying its going to be 3D symphony of night which it isn't and I think that is why Cox and co have to clarify it. I doubt there will be backtracking but I do think there will be optional exploration which I am fine about :D. I love the story to be straightforward and for the exploration to be its own separate thing.

But thats the thing, just because it has exploration akin to SOTN does NOT make it a 3.D SOTN by any means.

There are many other things SOTN of the night had that LOS obviously is not such as leveling up, equipable weapons,armors,cloaks etc just to name a few.

So even if it had borrowed exploration aspects from the metrodvania that would not have essentially made it a 3.D metroidvania since there are other things in a metroidvania that makes it such.

I'm willing to be that most of the people who said it would be a 3.D SOTN if it had that kind of exploration where the same who disliked or even grew tired of it and simply don't want to see any metroidvania aspects in this game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 18, 2013, 09:59:18 AM
DarkPrinceAlucard: I think you are right people are assuming a lot or other people have expectations that are unwarranted of them being a 3D SOTN. Cox and company want to differentiate of the games that came before yet try to incorporate some elements. I think in a interview about Mirror of Fate that he acknowledge it borrow elements from the Metroidvania games. Personally I didn't like the extensive backtracking aspect of Metroidvania games although other people did so I would happier if the exploration is rendered separate from main story line game. That is just me though.

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/12/david-cox-los2.aspx (https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/12/david-cox-los2.aspx)
I think this article gives a indication which open world he means for Lord of Shadows 2. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 18, 2013, 10:02:28 AM
Didn't Cox once say that LoS2 was gonna be built like Darksiders or Arkham City? He may say stuff that isn't always true, but if it's anything like those games, we're looking at something that is rather "open" in structure. They can't give us a linear action game with a couple of alternate paths now. (Except they totally can and we can't do anything about it. But I still have faith!)

Yea I do recall Cox and co so saying something like that, but with him you never know.

But judging by the recent interviews I have read I can't help but doubt we will see the kind of exploration akin to Darksiders or the Arkham games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 18, 2013, 10:04:42 AM
Hopefully more like Darksiders and Arkham Asylum. I hated Arkham City's exploration lots of open space with nothing in them was detrimental to the experience.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 18, 2013, 10:30:40 AM
Hopefully more like Darksiders and Arkham Asylum. I hated Arkham City's exploration lots of open space with nothing in them was detrimental to the experience.

I expect it to be like in Arkham City then (even if I dont want it), since we've already experienced a lot of empty places in MoF (I've played the demo).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on August 18, 2013, 01:07:25 PM

Arkham City worked because you were friggin BATMAN. And they made him feel like Batman too. Sure, Dracula should be able to fly around and do lots of awesome stuff on rooftops, but that would feel really off in a Castlevania game. Whatever a "Castlevania game" is these days. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'd rather not have LoS2 feel like a sandbox superhero game. So yeah, I'd much rather have a smaller game world with great level design than a huuuuge empty sandbox.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 18, 2013, 02:09:42 PM
He says on the article "Like Zelda: Ocarina of Time".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on August 18, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
He says on the article "Like Zelda: Ocarina of Time".

I can totally live with that! I've always wanted to see a Castlevania world done in that style. I mean, technically, Simon's Quest IS that game, only in 2D. Ecclesia could've been that game too (albeit once again in 2D) if the world had been interconnected. Oh, and Curse of Darkness had all the potential in the world to be exacty that game, had the level design been less... corridory.

Though I would've preferred if the game took place within the old timeline with some of the locations from the classic games (Dracula's Curse, Simon's Quest and so on.). It's just gonna be a city and a castle this time. Which is fine and all, but I prefer forests and graveyards and mansions and swamps and.. and.. and... yeah, that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 18, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
I can totally live with that! I've always wanted to see a Castlevania world done in that style. I mean, technically, Simon's Quest IS that game, only in 2D. Ecclesia could've been that game too (albeit once again in 2D) if the world had been interconnected. Oh, and Curse of Darkness had all the potential in the world to be exacty that game, had the level design been less... corridory.

Though I would've preferred if the game took place within the old timeline with some of the locations from the classic games (Dracula's Curse, Simon's Quest and so on.). It's just gonna be a city and a castle this time. Which is fine and all, but I prefer forests and graveyards and mansions and swamps and.. and.. and... yeah, that kind of stuff.
Maybe we'll see that stuff inside the Castle... it's not like we haven't seen a lot of variety inside of Castlevania before...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on August 18, 2013, 11:45:10 PM
40% will be for a unlockable char/mode or DLC?

ZIIIING!

I'm expecting the game's structure to be that of MoF - Mostly linear stages with a few elements of backtracking in that you can walk between them. Maybe with a few more things thrown to the side for you to find (hopefully more interesting than a scroll or Stat-Max-Up item).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Koutei on August 19, 2013, 05:27:31 AM
OMG! They are really selling it, but the price.....  :'(
The price of it is 890000 yen now. This can be used also as a gorgeous chair!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 19, 2013, 08:49:32 AM
Check out this, looks very good

http://img6.playm.de/wp-content/gallery/castlevania/alucard2.jpg (http://img6.playm.de/wp-content/gallery/castlevania/alucard2.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 19, 2013, 09:24:02 AM
Where the heck did you get that?

EDIT: Nevermind found it, more screens too.

http://www.playm.de/2013/08/mirror-of-fate-hd-und-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-collection-offiziell-angekundigt-106576/ (http://www.playm.de/2013/08/mirror-of-fate-hd-und-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-collection-offiziell-angekundigt-106576/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 19, 2013, 09:25:43 AM
Its on Dave Cox Twitter he also hinted that there will be additional stuff. I hope he isn't lying -_-.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 19, 2013, 09:27:15 AM
In lords of shadow facebook page there are more hd pictures, I cannot access them because I don't have a fb account, but sure looks amazing. MoF HD is coming to ps3 and xbox in october 31
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on August 19, 2013, 09:29:14 AM
Its on Dave Cox Twitter he also hinted that there will be additional stuff. I hope he isn't lying -_-.

Let's just say that I wouldn't put money on that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 19, 2013, 09:31:58 AM
Ranking and boss rush mode, cool
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on August 19, 2013, 09:50:58 AM
Where the heck did you get that?

EDIT: Nevermind found it, more screens too.

http://www.playm.de/2013/08/mirror-of-fate-hd-und-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-collection-offiziell-angekundigt-106576/ (http://www.playm.de/2013/08/mirror-of-fate-hd-und-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-collection-offiziell-angekundigt-106576/)

What is Anti-Aliasing? simple FXAA would fix those jaggies up, the game couldn't be too hard on console video to not have it
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 19, 2013, 10:09:13 AM
I guess good 2D Castlevania is definitely dead and buried now then if Konami is rereleasing MoF twice.

I have a feeling this series is finished after LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 19, 2013, 10:34:32 AM
What is Anti-Aliasing? simple FXAA would fix those jaggies up, the game couldn't be too hard on console video to not have it
Yeah, could anyone tell that to Cox on twitter?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on August 19, 2013, 11:33:25 AM
I ran ito "Him" again. Not gonna bother the PM bullshit like before and cut right too it:

MoFHD was made just recently and the original was made with the 3DS in mind and assets had only HD version for normal mapping purposes.

 The core game is mostly the same, but there is some balance in damage outputs, platforming levels, and EVERY trivial QTE was removed, only the longest cinematic ones remain (boss killing stuf).

There is way less checkpoints as well (except in easy mode).

And they'll be a boss rush mode.

We're getting a new trailer for LOS2 very very soon and it will feature the new Belmont.

And while I couldn't get a name he assures that the "look" of the new Belmont will be a hot discussion amongst some Castlevania fans.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 19, 2013, 11:37:25 AM
What is Anti-Aliasing? simple FXAA would fix those jaggies up, the game couldn't be too hard on console video to not have it

FXAA = Fast Appropriate AntiAliasing.  You just described via your solution, what the problem was.
Aliasing = graphics looking weird.  Here's an example:

Say you're looking at a brick wall in a video.
As you start to move away from the brick wall, eventually the bricks will generate a pattern because their own pattern will coincide with the pixel resolution in the videocamera.
That's aliasing.

You can achieve a similar effect if you've ever looked at things through a mosquito mesh or a dithered bus window.  Happens even more if you tilt your head, where the pattern will appear to dance.

In order to stop these effects in games, where the resolution used to be quite low (N64), the game would 'smooth' the graphics.  You'd end up with somewhat blurred edges in your polygon models, but the game wouldn't look so pixelated and 'aliased'.  This came to be known as 'anti-aliasing.

It is related to the 'jaggies' in games because at certain angles, the jaggies become more pronounced.  If you apply an anti-aliasing effect to the entire screen, it smooths out everything, but you also lose some detail.
It's why N64 games looked slightly washed out (native hardware anti-aliasing) while Playstation games looked aliased and pixelated (take a look at old PS1 games that used polygon models).

There's some processing overhead involved in any kinda of AA technique, and the bigger the resolution, the more work has to be done to smooth it out.  Your graphics card probably has a slider bar in its settings where you can control how much anti-aliasing is done in your games, with no anti-aliasing generating a crisper, albeit pixelated image, and the full anti-aliasing generating a smooth but slightly blurry image.

Jaggies are related because they're resolution-based.

Say you draw a diagonal line in a paint program.  If your line isn't a perfect 45-degree diagonal, it's gonna generate tiny 'jaggies' as it slopes upwards.  These 'jaggies' become less noticeable the higher your resolution is.  However, if certain color combinations and graphic sampling techniques aren't applied, it can result in these jaggies still showing up even with all the techniques in place (if they're not done intelligently).

When the jaggies are apparent enough that they break the immersion in a 1080p or 720p game, it tends to become problematic and it's a sign of sloppy graphics processing methods, etc.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on August 19, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
I ran ito "Him" again. Not gonna bother the PM bullshit like before and cut right too it:

MoFHD was made just recently and the original was made with the 3DS in mind and assets had only HD version for normal mapping purposes.

 The core game is mostly the same, but there is some balance in damage outputs, platforming levels, and EVERY trivial QTE was removed, only the longest cinematic ones remain (boss killing stuf).

There is way less checkpoints as well (except in easy mode).

And they'll be a boss rush mode.

We're getting a new trailer for LOS2 very very soon and it will feature the new Belmont.

And while I couldn't get a name he assures that the "look" of the new Belmont will be a hot discussion amongst some Castlevania fans.
Cool thanks!

What about the Collection? Is it true?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on August 19, 2013, 11:47:55 AM
Cool thanks!

What about the Collection? Is it true?

I didn't ask him as I assumed it was true with the leak and all.

He did say that the PC version of MoF does exist but they don't want to rush it out and will release it at a later date when everything is out of the way.

Oh and the collection is officially real.

And thanks for putting me on Gaf.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on August 19, 2013, 01:04:30 PM
Well, this alleged collection makes one wonder about which way to play MoF is/will be better? Especially for newcomers.

LoS2 "Look" of the new Belmont...Will it be Sonia? Or maybe a leather jacket/steam punk modern male Belmont for the city?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on August 19, 2013, 01:32:32 PM
I didn't ask him as I assumed it was true with the leak and all.

He did say that the PC version of MoF does exist but they don't want to rush it out and will release it at a later date when everything is out of the way.

Oh and the collection is officially real.

And thanks for putting me on Gaf.
You rule man.

AS I said, I expect it to be a "totally not Julius" hobo red haired Belmont called julian
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 19, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
MoF HD on PC will be out probably after LoS Ultimate Edition is out. Maybe two or three months after.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 19, 2013, 02:28:42 PM
I guess good 2D Castlevania is definitely dead and buried now then if Konami is rereleasing MoF twice.

I have a feeling this series is finished after LoS2.

Everyone expected some sort of collection to be launched, it doesnt change the fact that after LoS2 Ultimate Hyper Alpha 3 edition everything can return to normal again.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on August 19, 2013, 02:55:01 PM
FXAA = Fast Appropriate AntiAliasing.  You just described via your solution, what the problem was.
Aliasing = graphics looking weird.  Here's an example:

Say you're looking at a brick wall in a video.
As you start to move away from the brick wall, eventually the bricks will generate a pattern because their own pattern will coincide with the pixel resolution in the videocamera.
That's aliasing.

You can achieve a similar effect if you've ever looked at things through a mosquito mesh or a dithered bus window.  Happens even more if you tilt your head, where the pattern will appear to dance.

In order to stop these effects in games, where the resolution used to be quite low (N64), the game would 'smooth' the graphics.  You'd end up with somewhat blurred edges in your polygon models, but the game wouldn't look so pixelated and 'aliased'.  This came to be known as 'anti-aliasing.

It is related to the 'jaggies' in games because at certain angles, the jaggies become more pronounced.  If you apply an anti-aliasing effect to the entire screen, it smooths out everything, but you also lose some detail.
It's why N64 games looked slightly washed out (native hardware anti-aliasing) while Playstation games looked aliased and pixelated (take a look at old PS1 games that used polygon models).

There's some processing overhead involved in any kinda of AA technique, and the bigger the resolution, the more work has to be done to smooth it out.  Your graphics card probably has a slider bar in its settings where you can control how much anti-aliasing is done in your games, with no anti-aliasing generating a crisper, albeit pixelated image, and the full anti-aliasing generating a smooth but slightly blurry image.

Jaggies are related because they're resolution-based.

Say you draw a diagonal line in a paint program.  If your line isn't a perfect 45-degree diagonal, it's gonna generate tiny 'jaggies' as it slopes upwards.  These 'jaggies' become less noticeable the higher your resolution is.  However, if certain color combinations and graphic sampling techniques aren't applied, it can result in these jaggies still showing up even with all the techniques in place (if they're not done intelligently).

When the jaggies are apparent enough that they break the immersion in a 1080p or 720p game, it tends to become problematic and it's a sign of sloppy graphics processing methods, etc.

I'm just expressing how a game made with 3DS' assets (or other way around, but still) couldn't have even the most simplistic form of Anti-Aliasing on consoles, especially when the models are somewhat low-poly, If the game on consoles is natively 720p there is no excuse to not have any form of AA, if its 1080p, no AA is forgivable....

Then again, MoF could be built with a very poorly optimized engine...

Point is, those Screenshots should be looking alot less jagged


p.s.
Thx for the full explination, I had an average understanding of AA and performance differences between them, but I'm the type that I can learn better with a detailed explanation.



P.s.s.
Apparently the LOS2 Demo is in MoF HD, so I'm guessing its like an old PSone Title, Get the game and a Demo - source, Dave's Twitter
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 19, 2013, 03:05:45 PM
Those MoFHD screens look fucking sexy.

Also, those game details...

Gawd, muh dick....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 19, 2013, 03:06:50 PM
They are jagged because it was never intended for a non-3DS release IMHO. you can see that these jags are from the so called 3d effect from 3DS, it uses it for make the 3D illusion thing. They need to remove it for this release, but the thing is: they will?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on August 19, 2013, 03:08:43 PM
It's gonna be out on October 29th in North America at PSN and XBLA.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on August 19, 2013, 03:16:52 PM
@Lelygax which version are you getting?
if you get the PC version I'm sure they will have AA, if not I'm sure you can force AA with your video card (catalyst or Nvidia)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 19, 2013, 03:26:23 PM
I dont have a PS3 nor a 360, so PC it will be for PC :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jmodlin210 on August 19, 2013, 06:32:02 PM
After Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 gets released this year, will they make Castlevania Lords of Shadow 3 or move onto a new entry in the Castlevania series? Will they make more Castlevania Lords of Shadow games after Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 gets released?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on August 19, 2013, 06:34:14 PM
Cox said a while back that Lords 2 would be the last game in the trilogy, but he might walk that back depending on what Konami wants.

There was also a brief rumor that IGA may be planning a 3DS CV for the original series. Buuuuuut that was just rumor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 19, 2013, 06:36:55 PM
I prefer to believe in this rumor and be deceived than believe in LoS2 hype and be deceived. I will believe in it only when I see.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 19, 2013, 06:52:13 PM
Rumors are rumors. Personally, I'm tired of IGA made games. They all feel the same (OoE is an exception). Plus, all we will get is decent gameplay and a sucky story that will be shoe-horned into the timeline somewhere. That's his M.O. Then again, who knows. This might be the long wished for 1999 war we've been waiting for. But, it's been so long that I doubt it.

For now, to me, it's just a baseless rumor and nothing more.

Regarding a LoS3, I don't think so. LoS2 is supposed to be the end of the trilogy (or so we've been told). Once, the LoS trilogy is done, I would love to see another team to get the opportunity to create their vision of CV. As much as I like the old games, I think seeing different interpretations of CV is interesting. We've essentially have seen MS's interpretation (the LoS trilogy) with it's final chapter (LoS2) to be release this winter. I'm curious what another group will do with the series. Will they go back to the old timeline and give it true closer? Or, will they give us another reboot with their own vision of CV? Only time will tell and I'm going to keep an open mind and eagerly await the future of CV. Whatever comes next, I just hope that it is unique, yet some what faithful to the original games in terms of music and atmosphere.
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Post by: jmodlin210 on August 19, 2013, 06:55:14 PM
Will they do Castlevania Lords of shadow by another studio? Will they do Castlevania games in old timeline or reboot the series after LOS2 gets released later this year? Heard Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 gets released in November 2013.

Will they do Castlevania Lords of Shadow 3?
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Post by: Maedhros on August 19, 2013, 07:02:51 PM
Rumors are rumors. Personally, I'm tired of IGA made games. They all feel the same (OoE is an exception). Plus, all we will get is decent gameplay
That's enough. Oh, and great music too. I don't care about anything else.
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Post by: DoctaMario on August 19, 2013, 07:07:06 PM
It's gonna be out on October 29th in North America at PSN and XBLA.

Now the only question is, do I get the PSN version or wait and get it on PC? I really want the PC version but I think I'm gonna have a hard time waiting for it.  :P I hope it won't come out too much later.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 19, 2013, 07:11:53 PM
Will they do Castlevania Lords of shadow by another studio? Will they do Castlevania games in old timeline or reboot the series after LOS2 gets released later this year? Heard Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 gets released in November 2013.

Will they do Castlevania Lords of Shadow 3?
Lords of Shadow 2 is the finale Lords of Shadow game. It's just a trilogy(LoS, MoF, LoS2).
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Post by: KaZudra on August 19, 2013, 07:40:17 PM
Logically the games should be named like this;
Castlevania Lords of Shadow
Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 - Mirror of Fate
The Dragon Returns - Castlevania Lords of Shadow 3
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 19, 2013, 08:49:45 PM
Logically the games should be named like this;
Castlevania Lords of Shadow
Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 - Mirror of Fate
The Dragon Returns - Castlevania Lords of Shadow 3
Yeah. I just don't think Cox/MS count MoF as a full fledged installment more than a 1.5 chapter. Though, it IS a full game, and it's place counts as part of the trilogy.
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Post by: beingthehero on August 19, 2013, 08:51:13 PM
Plus, all we will get is decent gameplay and a sucky story that will be shoe-horned into the timeline somewhere.

No offense but I don't think I've met many people who play Castlevania for the story. The series has never been strong in that department ever since the NES days. A basic premise is usually enough, since the focus of the games have always been in the gameplay and never the story - that's been the case since 1986.
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Post by: Dremn on August 19, 2013, 10:03:43 PM
We're getting a new trailer for LOS2 very very soon and it will feature the new Belmont.

And while I couldn't get a name he assures that the "look" of the new Belmont will be a hot discussion amongst some Castlevania fans.
Color me intrigued. Did he say whether it would be positive or negative discussion?

After seeing what they've done to Simon and Trevor I have to wonder how much different this new Belmont could look compared to what we're so used to by now.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 19, 2013, 10:12:23 PM
Color me intrigued. Did he say whether it would be positive or negative discussion?

After seeing what they've done to Simon and Trevor I have to wonder how much different this new Belmont could look compared to what we're so used to by now.

He said that you'll see quite a few "Not muh Belmont" comments regarding the look of the new Belmont. So methinks we're gonna be seeing some mixed reactions. Me personally, It can't be worse than Death Note Simon.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 19, 2013, 10:20:21 PM
Not even if he is like Isaac or Grant Voldo?
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Post by: Nagumo on August 20, 2013, 12:36:43 AM
He said that you'll see quite a few "Not muh Belmont" comments regarding the look of the new Belmont. So methinks we're gonna be seeing some mixed reactions. Me personally, It can't be worse than Death Note Simon.

Who said this? Cox or leak guy?

Anyway, I hope this new Belmont will be controversial because she is a woman instead of generic grim-faced muscled man #1245.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 01:15:35 AM
Nagumo: I don't think its going to be female now although I hope so. If I have to guess a combination of Assassin Creed and Splinter Cell to the look we are going to get :P.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 20, 2013, 01:39:29 AM
I guess it will be like Blade.
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Post by: Nagumo on August 20, 2013, 02:13:51 AM
Nagumo: I don't think its going to be female now although I hope so. If I have to guess a combination of Assassin Creed and Splinter Cell to the look we are going to get :P.

Yup. What do I know? Most likely it's going to be the Golden Paladin or something dumb like that. Sadly, I'm not even joking.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 20, 2013, 02:17:47 AM
Maybe a thinner Belmont... oh, perhaps a child!
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Post by: Lelygax on August 20, 2013, 02:44:46 AM
Maybe a thinner Belmont... oh, perhaps a child!

Or a very old Belmont.
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Post by: Nagumo on August 20, 2013, 02:50:32 AM
In before transgender and black.
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Post by: Dremn on August 20, 2013, 05:14:24 AM
He said that you'll see quite a few "Not muh Belmont" comments regarding the look of the new Belmont.
Oh dear, I can see this happening already.

Well I'll just expect the unexpected then.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 20, 2013, 08:31:59 AM
He said that you'll see quite a few "Not muh Belmont" comments regarding the look of the new Belmont. So methinks we're gonna be seeing some mixed reactions. Me personally, It can't be worse than Death Note Simon.
My guess is, they might go rebel punk Belmont in the vein of DmC's Dante.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 08:48:36 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/19/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-interview-on-gabriels-vampire-powers-and-surprising-players/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/19/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-interview-on-gabriels-vampire-powers-and-surprising-players/)
This interview is pretty interesting. Also Dave Cox says maybe on DLC mode for Alucard although another interview I posted earlier showed that Alucard and some characters would be playable in the game. He also details the combat and story and the new belmont.

Personally I doubt they are going punk Belmont. I think Mercury Steam whatever people say of them have amazing artists and don't think the new Belmont is going to look like shit. I do think they may go for a Modern look for the new Belmont unlike Julius Belmont who looked like any of the other 17th century Belmonts even though btw he looked awesome.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 20, 2013, 12:08:33 PM
What about the trailer? I want the trailer NAO
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 12:14:29 PM
Lelygax: Man actually I would love a blade esque Belmont :P. With Garlic bombs and shit.

Actually there is interesting line says to question on whether it was someone we seen before? And Cox says its spoiler.
Which means to me its going to be previous Belmont. If its not Julius THEN WHO IS IT? O_O.

The trailer is coming this week right?
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 20, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
Lelygax: Man actually I would love a blade esque Belmont :P. With Garlic bombs and shit.

Actually there is interesting line says to question on whether it was someone we seen before? And Cox says its spoiler.
Which means to me its going to previous Belmont. If its not Julius THEN WHO IS IT? O_O.

The trailer is coming this week right?
It's a matter of hours I think? Many games are already having their Gamescom trailers :)

Aaand I think the new Belmont is Richter, but with a really weird look.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
Really? You mean tomorrow or like five hours from now? Also I hope it isn't Richter man if people had problems with Trevorcard I don't think they can deal with Richter XD. 
Maybe Time traveling Simon :P.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 20, 2013, 12:22:05 PM
It's a matter of hours I think? Many games are already having their Gamescom trailers :)

Aaand I think the new Belmont is Richter, but with a really weird look.

If they are going to continue to go on having fan favorites appear than Richter does seem like the most likely choice considering they are intent on respecting IGA by not including any of his characters(Julius) and Richter was around before IGA took over.

Really? You mean tomorrow or like five hours from now? Also I hope it isn't Richter man if people had problems with Trevorcard I don't think they can deal with Richter XD. 
Maybe Time traveling Simon :P.

As long as Richter does not end up turning into another pre existing character from the series I doubt people are going to have the same reaction that they did to Trevorcard.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 12:24:32 PM
But wouldn't people prefer them not using fan favorite characters? If they are going to have a belmont which will be controversial it would be better to use a more obscure one? I don't really care either way as long as design and characterization is cool as it is its own universe.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 20, 2013, 12:26:51 PM
But wouldn't people prefer them not using fan favorite characters? If they are going to have a belmont which will be controversial it would be better to use a more obscure one? I don't really care either way as long as design and characterization is cool as it is its own universe.

Well they have already used 2 fan favorite Belmonts in Mirror of Fate and people reacted "ok" to their redesign (SPOILER, minus the whole Trevor becoming Alucard part) so they could continue with it so long as it is done right.

But yea, I would rather it be a new Belmont as well, just judging by their recent action I can't help but doubt that it will.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 20, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
I think people grew to accept or even like the Trevorcard debacle, didn't they? I was more pissed off at "Commander Olrox" and "lituenant Brauner" god those irked my gears, why use them if there were going to be nothing like the original (Still I liked vincent Dorin, eh). The worst part about those two is that they were completely aristocratic vampires, turned into brutes.
I hope mercury doesn't pull of something like that again and if there are old characters they will at least resemble the intention of the originals. The medusa, for example, is a good one, they adapted  the greek myth into the Castlevania lore and now wer're fighting medusa and the other 2 gorgons.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 12:41:14 PM
I didn't mind the Comander Olrox and Brauner probably because I didn't care for their original incarnations. Although I could understand if they were beloved characters for some that would annoy them. I loved Vincent Dorin because that guy was total cowardly asshole in his original incarnation :P.

Mercury Stream actually had in my opinion much more interesting incarnation of bosses then the original such as The Succubus and Malphas. So yeah I think Medusa not necessarily more interesting but I think is a good incarnation :D.

I just think a modern belmont who I expect to use grenades and guns as Richter would be weiiiird.
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Post by: Nagumo on August 20, 2013, 12:53:43 PM
I think Richter wouldn't work in a modern day setting. It would just be obnoxious, just like 90% of all current name references.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 01:00:09 PM
I agree although I am never 100% in judgement until I see it in action. I have feeling it isn't Richter though.

I do like how the weapons have their own powers. If I had one complaint about Lord of Shadows 1 it was that the light and shadow magic didn't seem to utilize their potential now it seems it does :D.
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Post by: Dremn on August 20, 2013, 01:37:38 PM
Right now I'm thinking the new Belmont could be any of these:

-Female, throwback to Sonia
-Punk/Edgy look like Donte
-Frail looking old man
-hybrid of some sort, maybe half vampire

I mean, this new Belmont design can't be any worse than Isaac from Curse of Darkness or the Judgment designs.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 01:40:46 PM
Doubt it will be punk edgy like Dante. Man I would love a old man belmont or a female belmont so much. Damn well we will find this week! I doubt a half vampire though we already got Alucard. I wonder how closely Alucard will work with Belmonts and if they will know who he is? Also how closely will Belmonts work with the Brotherhood of Light?
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Post by: KaZudra on August 20, 2013, 01:49:06 PM
Honestly, I love the LoS-verse Belmont designs...
It would be a good twist if they made a modern day Leon to finish Dracula in the end...
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Post by: jestercolony on August 20, 2013, 02:53:53 PM
Honestly, I love the LoS-verse Belmont designs...
It would be a good twist if they made a modern day Leon to finish Dracula in the end...

^^^^^^^^^^^^ This.


But alas, they will not use any of IGA's characters. Honestly, if it is a new Belmont to look forward to, I hope it's a babe. There's just something sexy about a lady who wields a whip ;) (amirite?) Personally, from all the details and things being shown, I am looking forward to this.  What really excites me is, is the combat system, I just really hope it's fluid and very adaptive as it was in LoS1.  See, while everyone is going to be tilting their analog sticks to make Gab/Dracula run, I'm going to be tilting the analog softly, to make him walk like he bad ass he is. ;P Or rather...

...The Belmont shuffle >.>

<.<

...yeah...

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Post by: Dremn on August 20, 2013, 03:11:36 PM
Count me in the same boat who loves the LoS Belmont designs as well, Alucard included.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
I think the best belmont design and best badass Belmont character is Trevor. Its shame because I think his section in MOF could have been high point of game but it was too short and too much QTE. I think the Trevor design and character surpasses the previous 3D incarnation of Curse of Darkness and Judgement. Hopefully the new Belmont can live up to it.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 20, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
Trevor's reboot in the LOS series was one of the few that I actually liked since its a version of him that I could fully see happening in the previous series.

He was not that far off character and design wise in comparison to his latest appearance in the original canon.

Simon's reboot design was "ok" but not as good as Trevor's.

I still don't like that he became Alucard however, I still think Alucard should have stayed his own separate character and Trevor his.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 03:33:39 PM
 I thought his redesign wasa meh in Judgement and his asshole wild attitude in Curse of Darkness made him unlikable which why I agree with you that Trevor in mirror of ate is how I saw him in Dracula curse :D. I think Alucard works in Lord of Shadow universe for me. I could understand for some fans its foreign to their understanding of Alucard but I liked it. I think Trevorcard place in story will be made or broken depending on the events of Lord of Shadows 2.
I do wonder if both Alucard and Dracula will die in Lord of Shadows 2 or will he live on regardless fighting evil. I am totally hoping for Alucard DLC mode :D
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Post by: Flame on August 20, 2013, 03:37:18 PM
Trevorcard was much groaned about, but in the end, I think MS somehow just made it work. It was well presented. I don't know how they pulled it off, but they made it work. probably because Trevor's ending is just so good, that you just don't care. And the character is handled quite well. He's Trevor still, of course, but he's distanced himself from who he was, so as to not be recognized by those he loved while alive, like Simon.

IMO, Simon is the best Belmont design so far. he really captures both sides of Simon. The barbarian, and the fur wearing redhead. And god that beard of power was awesome. Trevor was fine, though honestly, not too different from his original. His outfit is pretty damn similar too.
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Post by: Dremn on August 20, 2013, 03:40:50 PM
I really do like the new Trevor, he reminds me of Richter from SotN because of his long hair and overcoat. Simon is a really great mesh of all of his past incarnations, I would love to see these designs used in a ClassicVania one day.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 03:42:30 PM
Trevorcard was much groaned about, but in the end, I think MS somehow just made it work. It was well presented. I don't know how they pulled it off, but they made it work. probably because Trevor's ending is just so good, that you just don't care. And the character is handled quite well. He's Trevor still, of course, but he's distanced himself from who he was, so as to not be recognized by those he loved while alive, like Simon.

IMO, Simon is the best Belmont design so far. he really captures both sides of Simon. The barbarian, and the fur wearing redhead. And god that beard of power was awesome. Trevor was fine, though honestly, not too different from his original. His outfit is pretty damn similar too.

Agreed. My favorite Simon moment is in that Succubus scene  which unlike Alucard and Leon he actually was considering :P joining the orgy before the Succubus started sucking his soul. I think Trevor design is great because Mercurystream respected the past incarnation and improved on it. I think of Mirror of Fate as Alucard Begins :P and I think in Lord of Shadows 2 its going to be perfect because he won't be Trevor but Dracula's vengeful son. He will inhabit the role.
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Post by: shelverton. on August 20, 2013, 04:07:42 PM
If there's one thing I like about the Coxvanias, it's the character designs. I mean, I LOVE Ayami Kojima too, but I am happy with the new characters too. Well, I am not crazy about Olrox and Brauner cause there's something slightly generic about them. Camilla was much better, partly thanks to the fact that we get to see her more vampiric/humanesque side before she goes all ugly on us.

I wouldn't mind if Mercury steam did the character design for more games after LoS2. It would be interesting to see them in a new IGA game for example. I highly doubt we'll see that combo though.
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Post by: Flame on August 20, 2013, 04:17:08 PM
If there's one thing I like about the Coxvanias, it's the character designs. I mean, I LOVE Ayami Kojima too, but I am happy with the new characters too. Well, I am not crazy about Olrox and Brauner cause there's something slightly generic about them. Camilla was much better, partly thanks to the fact that we get to see her more vampiric/humanesque side before she goes all ugly on us.

I wouldn't mind if Mercury steam did the character design for more games after LoS2. It would be interesting to see them in a new IGA game for example. I highly doubt we'll see that combo though.
the art in general for the LoS series has been phenomenal. the book entries in LoS were fucking gorgeous. And let's not forget the hand animated combo move animations for the skill shop
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Post by: Lelygax on August 20, 2013, 04:49:58 PM
In before the new Belmont will be Richter that will then become Shaft. :P
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 20, 2013, 04:53:21 PM
I am hoping Lord of Shadows 2 comes with special edition comes with a proper art book. The Lord of Shadows special edition art book which I got kinda of sucked :P.
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Post by: Flame on August 20, 2013, 05:31:05 PM
Hey... you know what enemy i wouldn't mind returning?

Creeping Coffins. Those things were fucking great. Annoying as fuck to fight, but great concept/visual-wise
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 20, 2013, 05:54:43 PM
Hey... you know what enemy i wouldn't mind returning?

Creeping Coffins. Those things were fucking great. Annoying as fuck to fight, but great concept/visual-wise
I hate them so much
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Post by: Kingshango on August 20, 2013, 06:04:47 PM
I hate them so much

They were so annoying until I found a way to confuse the hell out of them.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 20, 2013, 06:21:25 PM
I think that there will be more Belmonts in this game, because if Cox is saying that the name of the new one would be spoilerish, it contradicts the fact that they have been saying that this would be a whole new Belmont. Who knows, maybe it will be a female Belmont (an idea I don't like, because this story is said to be brutal, and no good girl should suffer a harsh fate :p). And also I think that the new guy will be a Gabriel ''clone'', named Michael or Raphael. I do believe that Dracul and Alucard will die, Alucard will die in Gabriel's arms, Satan will be third to last boss, then Zobek and lastly the Belmont which will end Gabriel with Alucard's sword, or something like that. I can't wait to see trailers or something!!!
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Post by: Asgardwolf on August 20, 2013, 06:32:13 PM
I think that there will be more Belmonts in this game, because if Cox is saying that the name of the new one would be spoilerish, it contradicts the fact that they have been saying that this would be a whole new Belmont. Who knows, maybe it will be a female Belmont (an idea I don't like, because this story is said to be brutal, and no good girl should suffer a harsh fate :p). And also I think that the new guy will be a Gabriel ''clone'', named Michael or Raphael. I do believe that Dracul and Alucard will die, Alucard will die in Gabriel's arms, Satan will be third to last boss, then Zobek and lastly the Belmont which will end Gabriel with Alucard's sword, or something like that. I can't wait to see trailers or something!!!
well as cox hinted in the interviwe linked above, the only way to kill gabriel is the combat cross he destroyed in the end of the LOS DLC, Prob`lly the new Belmont somehow will hold it to destroy him.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 20, 2013, 06:38:13 PM
I think that there will be more Belmonts in this game, because if Cox is saying that the name of the new one would be spoilerish, it contradicts the fact that they have been saying that this would be a whole new Belmont. Who knows, maybe it will be a female Belmont (an idea I don't like, because this story is said to be brutal, and no good girl should suffer a harsh fate :p). And also I think that the new guy will be a Gabriel ''clone'', named Michael or Raphael. I do believe that Dracul and Alucard will die, Alucard will die in Gabriel's arms, Satan will be third to last boss, then Zobek and lastly the Belmont which will end Gabriel with Alucard's sword, or something like that. I can't wait to see trailers or something!!!

Michael, Raphael => That golden angel that Gabe fought in the sample gameplay at E3?!
Nah, I'm thinking the new Belmont would be Richter, or maybe Christopher or Soleiyu.

If they did the "Belmont kills Gabe with Alucard's sword". I see a LOTR reference there.  :)

well as cox hinted in the interviwe linked above, the only way to kill gabriel is the combat cross he destroyed in the end of the LOS DLC, Prob`lly the new Belmont somehow will hold it to destroy him.

Must have been integrated in the sword.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on August 20, 2013, 07:36:57 PM
Michael, Raphael => That golden angel that Gabe fought in the sample gameplay at E3?!
Nah, I'm thinking the new Belmont would be Richter, or maybe Christopher or Soleiyu.

If they did the "Belmont kills Gabe with Alucard's sword". I see a LOTR reference there.  :)

Must have been integrated in the sword.
The golden knights are paladins from the order of light, i don`t think one of them will be a Belmont, Simon grew far from the order, maybe they`ll still work together (The order and the Belmont Lineage) somehow but not as a knight from the order of light. Also it`s more logical to bring back The Vampire Killer (Combat Cross) as the whip it used to be and used by the Belmont`s decendants to continue the legacy and hunt Gabriel.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 20, 2013, 07:50:36 PM
That statement can be silly, but what if this new Belmont doesnt use a whip?
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 20, 2013, 07:51:04 PM
Plot twist: Dracul travels to the past at the end and Gabriel kills him with the combat cross.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on August 20, 2013, 07:55:58 PM
Guys, this whole thing is a ruse set up by Mercurysteam. Obviously the new Belmont will be Snake. Hideo Kojima saying David Hayter won't be behind MGSV and Kojima Productions not involving themselves in LoS2 is all a lie. David Hayter will be... David Belmont with his Combat Cross carved with Tsuchinoko's hide and  will have many sub weapons off his disposal in this open exploration gameplay. Expect Hideo Kojima to be like "Did Jiu Rike It?" with an (!).
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 20, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
Plot twist: Dracul travels to the past at the end and Gabriel kills him with the combat cross.
That would be one hell of a plot twist. Another idea is that Dracul travels back in time and prevents Gabriel from killing Marie in the first place. Marie alive = not quest for Gabriel. Which means he never kills the lords of shadow and never losses his humanity. If Gabriel never losses his humanity, he never becomes Dracul. Thus, Dracul will fade from existence because Gabriel never became him.

Yeah, I know. It won't happen that way. It's too much of a good ending and Cox said that LoS2 is going to be really dark and rough.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 20, 2013, 08:09:48 PM
Guys, this whole thing is a ruse set up by Mercurysteam. Obviously the new Belmont will be Snake. Hideo Kojima saying David Hayter won't be behind MGSV and Kojima Productions not involving themselves in LoS2 is all a lie. David Hayter will be... David Belmont with his Combat Cross carved with Tsuchinoko's hide and  will have many sub weapons off his disposal in this open exploration gameplay. Expect Hideo Kojima to be like "Did Jiu Rike It?" with an (!).

LOL
He will hide inside barrels and will need to stop Metal Gear Dragon (better than Rex), that have flamethrowers and mechanical wings. He will use cigarretes like daggers and will fight Gabe using CQC.

That makes sense if you stop and think, in MGS3 you fight a lot of bosses with themed nicknames: The Sorrow, The Joy/The Boss etc. So in Reverie when you fight The Forgotten One its only a warm up for these two universes colliding. :P
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Post by: jestercolony on August 20, 2013, 11:34:48 PM
That would be one hell of a plot twist. Another idea is that Dracul travels back in time and prevents Gabriel from killing Marie in the first place. Marie alive = not quest for Gabriel. Which means he never kills the lords of shadow and never losses his humanity. If Gabriel never losses his humanity, he never becomes Dracul. Thus, Dracul will fade from existence because Gabriel never became him.

Yeah, I know. It won't happen that way. It's too much of a good ending and Cox said that LoS2 is going to be really dark and rough.

This -would- be an interesting plot twist, but it poses a problem... See, if this where to actually take place, Gabriel does not kill the Lords of Shadows <-> The Spell that Zobek cast still exist <-> The souls are still trapped <-> Paradox.
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Post by: jestercolony on August 21, 2013, 12:29:32 AM
Release date for Lords of Shadow 2 officially confirmed: Feb 25th.

http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/news.do?idNews=726 (http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/news.do?idNews=726)


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Post by: Nagumo on August 21, 2013, 12:59:32 AM
The new trailer is on youtube. They revealed the new Belmont too judging by the comments, but for some reasons the video doesn't play for me.

hnnng
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Post by: BelmontJ895 on August 21, 2013, 01:10:28 AM
Yeah I've just watched the trailer.

It's basically the e3 trailer but with this scene on the end.
It's past dracula meeting "Victor" Belmont, who claims he's the last Belmont before charging at Dracula.

So that's it, the new Belmont is past-based and originally from the cancelled Castlevania Resurrection.

For his design, Victor is wearing a hooded white shirt with a green sleeveless jacket, a gauntlet on his left arm and a pair of armoured boots/greaves (Like alucard's) and he's using a combat cross. He also looks around Simon's age.

EDIT: Trailer below.
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Post by: jestercolony on August 21, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
Can anyone link the new trailer? :)
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 01:12:56 AM
Gamescom Lord of Shadows 2 Trailer
[New & Official] gamescom 2013 Trailer HD [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOfMim_7jww#)
Watch from 5:49 to see the new belmont. Victor Belmont. Huh. I guess I was half right with the Assassin creed influence :D.
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Post by: jestercolony on August 21, 2013, 01:18:13 AM
Oh wow! He actually sounds more "western", than his previous ancestors. Yeah I see the Assassin's Creed influence (...lame; wasn't really a big fan of that IP.) So they finally using him.... xD Great.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 01:21:10 AM
I don't get what leaker guy said about him being not much belmont. LOL I mean maybe if we had much more trailer to see. But so far he seems like Belmont guy who likes hoodies :P. Its not much different then Belmont who wears Bandanna XD.
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Post by: Nagumo on August 21, 2013, 01:22:00 AM
Good thing they decided more or less to create an original character. So, this means the castle siege takes place at least a generation after MoF. Also, didn't they say/imply there would be also be a Belmont in modern day? If so, it could be Sonia since it seems they are referencing Resurrection.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 01:26:26 AM
I think its opposite Nagumo. Victor Belmont is the new Modern Belmont (just like in resurrection he was a future belmont compared to Sonia) but this could imply that Sonia appears in the game since they are referencing Resurrection she could be a past belmont that fights Dracula. I think the castle siege takes place hundred of years later after MOF.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 21, 2013, 01:28:18 AM
Yup, a new character design but the name was from a cancelled game. At least they are not using other famous Belmont character names. Thank goodness.
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Post by: BelmontJ895 on August 21, 2013, 01:28:51 AM
Here's an image of Victor from the LoS Facebook Page.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153135908955697&set=a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153135908955697&set=a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696&type=1&theater)
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 01:30:05 AM
I think it was smart move honestly. I don't think Richter or Justin would have worked. Although I expect there will be references to past belmonts in the game.
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Post by: Maedhros on August 21, 2013, 02:58:10 AM
It looks like fucking Ezio.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 03:01:07 AM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-21-castlevania-lord-of-shadow-2-release-date-announced (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-21-castlevania-lord-of-shadow-2-release-date-announced)
This is has a couple of more screenshots. With one hinting that you do have a boss battle with new Belmont.
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Post by: TheAcer on August 21, 2013, 04:22:23 AM
What I imagined the modern Belmont "Victor" to be wearing:

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What he is actually wearing:

(click to show/hide)

I'm fine with how LoS Victor looks but am definitely disappointed in his outfit choice to say the least..
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Post by: Nagumo on August 21, 2013, 04:30:41 AM
Aside from the hood and the bearded face this is actually a quite good design. Unlike Trevor's design there is no overuse of armour this time. 
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 04:31:54 AM
I actually like the beared face and I think the hood will grow on me. Got disagree on Trevor :P love the overuse armor. But I guess I am wondering how did he lose his eye  :o
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Post by: Kingshango on August 21, 2013, 04:47:35 AM
Didn't see Victor coming.

I actually think he looks cool, nothing to go "Not muh Belmont" at tho, unless you hate beards. (and if so why would you?)

And the similarities to Assasins Creed are apparent, so apparent that actually called one of the screens "Belmonts Creed".  ;D


And for the rest, seems like they're gonna be some stealth segments and enemies will be using daylight against you. Curious to see how this will work out.

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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 04:55:30 AM
I am pretty excited for Medusa fight it seems my complaints of Titan battle are being answered. You fight Medua and knocked her out and then climb her and maybe try to cut out her heads :P
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 21, 2013, 04:59:57 AM
Quote
You fight Medua and knocked her out and then climb her and maybe try to cut out her heads :P

Or
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 05:03:30 AM
Dark Nemesis : So she will be more like
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If we are having a likely (Zobek) Death battle and Medusa Battle? What other classical enemy bosses would you guys like to see appear?
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Post by: Kingshango on August 21, 2013, 05:17:55 AM
Oh and forget to mention before,not surprised that it slipped into next year. With LOS2 in February, Dark Souls 2 a month later and the Q4 2013 backlog, I'll putting next gen on hold for a little while longer.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 21, 2013, 05:30:17 AM
Since we will be getting battles with Death and Medusa, they might as well add in other creatures that serve as the main pillars of Castlevania like Frankenstein. Oh wait... Dont tell me that the titans represent Frankie?

Victor Belmont = Rejected by the Brotherhood of Assassins, gets to join the Brotherhood of Light instead. /lol
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 05:34:36 AM
What about the Mummy possibly like how he was symphony of the night rather then some bandage dude? And Gaibon to represent the giant bat :P.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 21, 2013, 05:40:39 AM
Well since the game supposedly has optional bosses, I wouldn't be surprised if Galalmoth was one of them.

Or Legion.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 05:50:01 AM
Those two could work since they could be demons from hell and this is SATAN anniversary party you expect some demons :P.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on August 21, 2013, 06:40:13 AM
Those two could work since they could be demons from hell and this is SATAN anniversary party you expect some demons :P.
I`ll bet my money on Slogra, they builded a model they wanted to use in the original LOS and ended just being part as a corpse in the epiloge, we`ll prob`lly see it this time and figure out how he died in front of Gabriel`s tomb.
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on August 21, 2013, 07:02:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOfMim_7jww&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOfMim_7jww&feature=youtu.be)
Victor Belmont from the unreleased Dreamcast game?!
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Post by: Dremn on August 21, 2013, 07:22:42 AM
Victor does look a bit like Ezio, and his face looks really weird in this shot. Maybe his model is incomplete, or he was born disfigured.

EDIT: I just noticed the scar across his eye, neat little homage to Trevor from Curse of Darkness.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.eurogamer.net%2F2013%2Farticles%2F%2Fa%2F1%2F6%2F0%2F8%2F8%2F8%2F4%2FVictor_Belmont.bmp.jpg&hash=1dc86bf6bcfe28bd2e14c1e2d53f4238)
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 07:24:19 AM
Or something disfigured him :P. and he survived with one EYE! BADASS! he is the big boss of the franchise :P
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 21, 2013, 07:29:29 AM
Eh I like it, kinda obscure nod I think, but nice to see Victor alive.
And hood =/= assassin.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 07:32:38 AM
There are people complaining on the Facebook age on why it isn't Richter XD. But seriously Richter wouldn't worked it would felt too much of a remake of Symphony of the night. I do wonder if this belmont will inherit the magic powers of Belnades?
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Post by: Dremn on August 21, 2013, 07:34:54 AM
I wonder what Belmonts came before this guy, maybe the travel book or whatever Gabriel uses will tell us just for the sake of lore.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 21, 2013, 07:38:17 AM
Why is he the last? I don't wnant him to be the last :(
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 07:39:48 AM
My prediction is they will mention Juste, Sonia, Richter and Michael. They don't have to mention every Belmont just the most important ones and if the appearance of Flashbacks are true then maybe we will fight some of them.

He might have syphilis :P
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Post by: thernz on August 21, 2013, 07:51:42 AM
why doesnt victor look like tim curry
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Post by: Dremn on August 21, 2013, 08:06:44 AM
Victor's white hood kind of reminds me of Prototype Simon.

Maybe they built Victor's model off of his.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 08:11:09 AM
I was thinking the same ting  ;D . Kinda of fitting they could finally use the model in their last game of series. I was glad though that didn't become simon, MOF's Simon is how I envision my type of Simon.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 21, 2013, 09:35:46 AM
It makes more sense to Belmont warriors to be 25 - 35 years of age than 19 years guys. To battle the prince of darkness more a more experienced warrior is needed :p
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 21, 2013, 09:56:47 AM
It makes more sense to Belmont warriors to be 25 - 35 years of age than 19 years guys. To battle the prince of darkness more a more experienced warrior is needed :p
I think age is irrelevant, Buffy was much younger, and people accepted her as a vampire slayer. Who's to say Julius didn't enter a strict regiment of training since he was a child?

As for my opinion on Victor, I like the fact they are bringing back an aborted Belmont. Victor is one of those names that is perfect for a hero in the CV series. I DO see the Assassin's Creed likeness, though. Actually, he's kinda(at least to me) a cross between Ezio and Dominic Santiago. Oddly enough, this isn't a gripe. I don't mind his look.

I don't care for his armor, though. Funny who people were ragging on Julius for looking "un-modern" with his 19th century fashion, Victor's gone MEDIEVAL!!! He looks like a homeless knight. Though, the true reason I rag on his costume is that it reminds me what I dislike about a LOT of Japanese art direction in games(Tetsuya Nomura comes to mind), the whole lopsided balance in design. The gauntlet on one are and the other arm being close to bare reminds me a lot of characters like Tidus, or even Advent Children Cloud. Urgh, it's just my preference, but I can't stand imbalance in design. Maybe once in a while, but when it becomes "en vogue", so to speak, urgh!
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Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 10:03:12 AM
I expected more from them than using Victor name, I've even thought about him at some moment but discarded the idea since its a lame move to me. I expected a real new Belmont and this outfit seems off if you consider that he wears it on present days.

Someone else noticed that maybe he is blind? I've only seem him with closed eyes until now, if its true it could be cool since he would be immune to illusions.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 21, 2013, 10:09:56 AM
What? is victor a "modenr" belmont? It cannot be. I think the modern belmont will be.. Sonia
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 10:24:55 AM
Victor Belmont is totally the new Belmont "I am the last of my illustrious line." And Lol he totally is a new Belmont since the cancelled game never got released :P
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Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 10:30:43 AM
Recycled seems to be the correct word here :P
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Post by: TheCruelAngel on August 21, 2013, 10:31:02 AM
I don't care for his armor, though. Funny who people were ragging on Julius for looking "un-modern" with his 19th century fashion, Victor's gone MEDIEVAL!!! He looks like a homeless knight. Though, the true reason I rag on his costume is that it reminds me what I dislike about a LOT of Japanese art direction in games(Tetsuya Nomura comes to mind), the whole lopsided balance in design. The gauntlet on one are and the other arm being close to bare reminds me a lot of characters like Tidus, or even Advent Children Cloud. Urgh, it's just my preference, but I can't stand imbalance in design. Maybe once in a while, but when it becomes "en vogue", so to speak, urgh!

Not defending them, even though I'm a fan of asymmetrical armor design, but they've had precedence in functionality since Roman times:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F7%2F7e%2FGladiators_from_the_Zliten_mosaic_3.JPG%2F400px-Gladiators_from_the_Zliten_mosaic_3.JPG&hash=4cead041a949d17fedc23f8214cefd27)

For the case of Victor (I can't speak for every asymmetrical armor design) the armor is designed in such a way that he has full mobility of his right arm (for whipping!) while his left arm is available for deflecting blows. And since with whip combat you lead with your non-combat arm out (until you strike), it would make sense to protect it as much as possible (short of using a shield, which could end up being cumbersome).

For the case of Cloud in AC, it could be argued that it mimics the style of the cloak and rapier that was practiced during the Renaissance...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hroarr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2FCapo-Ferro-Cloak.jpg&hash=6e553f4fee506fc45315da78d1ede637)

But we know that's a lie.
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Post by: Pfil on August 21, 2013, 11:50:40 AM
Victor reminds me of Tim Curry Belmont.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 21, 2013, 12:28:35 PM
Victor Belmont is totally the new Belmont "I am the last of my illustrious line." And Lol he totally is a new Belmont since the cancelled game never got released :P

uhhh, that really does not make him new.

new would have been a whole new belmont never even mentioned or heard of before like Steven Belmont or James Belmont or something like that.

Although Victor's game did not come out he still existed in a prototype game that most CV fans knew about.

So I would have to say he definitely is not new, but I still applaud MS for not going the fan favorite route by including Richter.

Going with one of the most little known belmonts from the original series who's game never got released was a nice and safe step.

Not much you have to live up to character wise since we never got much on his character from his cancelled game other than him being somewhat of a coward.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 12:31:39 PM
So what now, Victor will become a transgender and change his name to Sonia?
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 01:26:34 PM
uhhh, that really does not make him new.

new would have been a whole new belmont never even mentioned or heard of before like Steven Belmont or James Belmont or something like that.

Although Victor's game did not come out he still existed in a prototype game that most CV fans knew about.

So I would have to say he definitely is not new, but I still applaud MS for not going the fan favorite route by including Richter.

Going with one of the most little known belmonts from the original series who's game never got released was a nice and safe step.

Not much you have to live up to character wise since we never got much on his character from his cancelled game other than him being somewhat of a coward.

Hence why my previous statement was said in joking manner. I know he is well known among the hardcore CV community but he is so obscure outside of the hardcore that essentially I would call him almost new. I have to say one thing I am bit disappointed about Victor Belmont is he seems to have no modern weaponry. I was anticipating a Blade arsenal :(
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 01:53:14 PM
New Gameplay trailer
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - GamesCom 2013 Gameplay Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unQ50CiKNz8#)
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Post by: KaZudra on August 21, 2013, 02:11:33 PM
I'm actually okay with this, Victor redone with the heart of Jesus tattoo and all, and I agree that he looks like a re-worked proto-Simon (before they changed him to gabe)
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 02:16:26 PM
You know actually they could have incorporated Victor Belmont characterization from resurrection into this LOS version with him being a outcast and rebel.
Also I love how in the new gameplay trailer that Vampire Knight refers to Dracula as my "Lord" "My Prince"  ;D and that Castle is against you leaving :P.
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Post by: Dremn on August 21, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Holy damn, LoS2 looks really polished. I love how much quicker the Focus Bar fills in this one.

Looks a lot cleaner than LoS1, Mercury Steam really stepped their game up.

Alucard as a child confuses me though. Either he's playing head games with Gabe, or maybe it's taking place in a what if timeline, or the very distant past.

I really, really want this to be on WiiU.

I like Mercury's take on the Castle being alive too, it's cool to finally see that happen in game instead of spoken about in text.
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Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 03:42:18 PM
I love it. even the combat looks much better. The fact that instead of shadow and light magic, you have two special dedicated weapons for them, makes combat much more varied and interesting.

I do wonder what the deal is with kid Trevor. I mean, we saw in the trailer, that Carmilla is back as well, in her Human, Brotherhood form, no less.

This all definitely has to do with the castle, but what to do with it remains to be seen. of course we do know that despite monsters in the castle recognizing their master, the castle itself no longer does. (the downsides of having a living castle... go to sleep for a few thousand years and forget to feed it souls, when you wake up that shit tries to kill you. tsk tsk)

EDIT: I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees Victor as a polished version of Proto-Simon/Gabe

Someone should point that out to Cox
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 21, 2013, 04:00:15 PM
New Gameplay trailer
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - GamesCom 2013 Gameplay Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unQ50CiKNz8#)
The castle's giving me big Lovecraftian vibes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 21, 2013, 04:20:56 PM
It looks fantastic. The combat looks very fucking fast, faster than LoS 1 this time. The map looks like the ones from Legend of Zelda, as expected. I'm sure we'll see some big areas there.

I'm sold. Now they only need to announce some playable characters as DLC (Victor and Alucard).
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Post by: Kingshango on August 21, 2013, 04:31:53 PM
Combat looks better than the first game and looks more interesting than the E3 demo no doubt. And like others said, I love how the castle is actually alive and trying to kill you.

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Post by: Rugal on August 21, 2013, 04:33:27 PM
I'm sorry.

I can't finish watching this trailer. Gabriel vs some horribly animated golem thing inside Dr Sues castle, then we get to see him spare some kid's life to do battle with an orc of Mordor. This is disgusting.

Oh and Blood Orbs. Had to rip off at least one other game aside from God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Prince of Persia etc.

These are dark times indeed.
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Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 04:36:40 PM
Then turn on the light. You are the only one I see so damn pissy about this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 04:38:27 PM
Blood orbs are from which game? DmC?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on August 21, 2013, 04:38:36 PM
No amount of light can extinguish the darkness that this compulsive lying piece of shit has brought to the Castlevania series.

Blood Orbs are from every DMC game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
What do they do in DMC games?

Also folks like you are the reason that IGA vs Cox wars start.

Just saiyan.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on August 21, 2013, 04:45:28 PM
Where in my previous posts did I mention IGA? But since you want to drop his name, yes. IGA's Castlevanias have sold a lot more than Cox's.

Anyway, Blood Orbs in DMC are used as currency basically.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 04:49:36 PM
Where in my previous posts did I mention IGA?

You go on about ripoff this ripoff that when every game since SoTN has done the same. SoTN is a Super Metroid Clone, and every other metroidvania thereafter is a SoTN clone. I don't see you complaining there...

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But since you want to drop his name, yes. IGA's Castlevanias have sold a lot more than Cox's.
That's funny, given the relegation to handhelds, and the shit budgets IGA was consistently given, you'd think they sold poorly... Isn't LoS the highest Selling CV ever currently according to Konami?

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Anyway, Blood Orbs in DMC are used as currency basically.
Oh boy. Something that bears a similarity to something else that's used in a completely different way, must be ripping it off. it can't be just, you know, taking an in game mechanic and theming it to the character. naaaw couldn't be.
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Post by: KaZudra on August 21, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Blood Orbs simply replace the regular orbs from LOS1 just now more fitting to the Vampire aspect... how is this ripping off more games when all it is is just a reskin and rename?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on August 21, 2013, 04:56:41 PM
You go on about ripoff this ripoff that when every game since SoTN has done the same. SoTN is a Super Metroid Clone, and every other metroidvania thereafter is a SoTN clone. I don't see you complaining there...
That's funny, given the relegation to handhelds, and the shit budgets IGA was consistently given, you'd think they sold poorly... Isn't LoS the highest Selling CV ever currently according to Konami?
 Oh boy. Something that bears a similarity to something else that's used in a completely different way, must be ripping it off. it can't be just, you know, taking an in game mechanic and theming it to the character. naaaw couldn't be.

SotN wasn't a BLATANT ripoff of Super Metroid like LoS is just a bastardization of ripoffs from other different action games. A perfect example is that lame ass ice titan boss. Can you sit there and tell me you actually enjoyed it as the VERY FIRST BOSS you face in the entire game? No. I didn't think so. SotN brought all of its own elements to the table as well as kept things that make Castlevania Castlevania where as Cox dropped all that, tells us lies, and gives us this crap. It's pretty much known that this guy is a liar now. You can't deny that.

Yeah, LoS sold so well (MoF too) that they are releasing a half-assed "collection" bundle. How the fuck are you going to call it a collection with two games? Operation: Akumajo would like a word with you.

The Blood Orbs looks almost exactly the same as they do in the DMC games. I was never bitching about it due to the mechanic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 21, 2013, 05:04:41 PM
Goddamit Rugal... please... STFU.

No, actually don't... I'll simply put you on ignore just like I did to Sumac. You don't bring anything interessing to any discussion, you just keep whining and whining like a kid. We know you hate the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on August 21, 2013, 05:08:22 PM
I assume the collection exists for two main reasons.

1: To get fans who loved Lords of Shadow a chance to play the midquel which was on a portable; this was an issue for Kingdom Hearts II as it relied a lot on a portable midquel, leaving a lot of people in "what the fuck is this shit" sort of mindsets. That model does indeed keep many casual fans out of the loop. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker is a more notable example of this, considering it's also Konami and has had the same issue.
2: To hopefully get Mirror of Fate to sell. From what I understand, while Lords of Shadow was the best selling Castlevania to date, Mirror of Fate stacks up as one of the worst. This could be due to the consumer base who played it on PS360 not being the same sort of userbase supporting the 3DS. Even IGA's games have outsold it, so I assume the ultra-hardcore 'vania fans felt that Mirror of Fate had one of those rushed, Western-developed "placeholder" feelings about the whole game. I think its middling scores enforced this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on August 21, 2013, 05:09:05 PM
So I heard through the grapevine that there's an option in the game that people are really going to be happy about:

In the advanced options, there is a checkbox that disable QTE's which removes cinematic press button kills after every fight. Although this option was in the testing versions so it's unknown if the final game will have it.

And on Victor, he's is pretty much the LOS equivalent of Julius all except in name (at one point he was gonna be Julius), they decided they wanted to use an unused Belmont instead so they choose Victor from Resurrection.

And the source is from the same source that leaked info on MoF and LOS2.
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Post by: Dremn on August 21, 2013, 05:10:34 PM
So I heard through the grapevine that there's an option in the game that people are really going to be happy about:

In the advanced options, there is a checkbox that disable QTE's which removes cinematic press button kills after every fight. Although this option was in the testing versions so it's unknown if the final game will have it.

And on Victor, he's is pretty much the LOS equivalent of Julius all except in name (at one point he was gonna be Julius), they decided they wanted to use an unused Belmont instead so they choose Victor from Resurrection.
We're both in the same thread I see. :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on August 21, 2013, 05:11:50 PM
Hey I was there first. >:(

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on August 21, 2013, 05:15:12 PM
Goddamit Rugal... please... STFU.

No, actually don't... I'll simply put you on ignore just like I did to Sumac. You don't bring anything interessing to any discussion, you just keep whining and whining like a kid. We know you hate the game.

Hey baby. Lookin' for a date?

Go ahead and ignore me then. You aren't doing a good job, though. Glad you felt the need to directly address me. Excellent work.

That Dark Souls II beta can't come any sooner.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 05:21:23 PM
He adds a lot to the conversation, you only need to understand how he express his opinions. At least I dont have seen until now he telling that someone opinion is "invalid" or that his opinion is a "fact", so its not that bad.

I also think that they should at least wait until LoS2 for launch a collection instead of launching ANOTHER one after it.

If that statement about IGA having low-budget for his projects his really true, so Im even more proud of him now. He did all these games with low budget, while Cox had more budget than him in theory. Im not saying that one guy is better than the other but IGA did better or at least the same with less money.

Wait, why Im talking about IGA? This will turn in a war again, forget everything lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 21, 2013, 05:33:12 PM
If that statement about IGA having low-budget for his projects his really true, so Im even more proud of him now. He did all these games with low budget, while Cox had more budget than him in theory. Im not saying that one guy is better than the other but IGA did better or at least the same with less money.

Wait, why Im talking about IGA? This will turn in a war again, forget everything lol
Sometimes, limitations lead to stronger, longer lasting projects. It's really all in how you utilize what you have, and how it benefits the design in the end.

I think if IGA were given a larger budget and a really talented team, they could have made a really great sequel to SotN or the 1999 game.

But, neither will ever happen.

Honestly either way, the franchise future was up in the air for awhile. Too many dumb AAA games companies want a piece of, eventually Konami was going to switch things up. The whole industry followed suit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 05:57:18 PM
SotN wasn't a BLATANT ripoff of Super Metroid like LoS is just a bastardization of ripoffs from other different action games.
Actually, yes it is.

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A perfect example is that lame ass ice titan boss. Can you sit there and tell me you actually enjoyed it as the VERY FIRST BOSS you face in the entire game? No. I didn't think so.
I did enjoy it. The scale and feel of the boss was great, and as the first titan, it was easy. later titans introduce more elements. (and there's really only 3) And it was not the first boss. First boss was the giant Warg.

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SotN brought all of its own elements to the table as well as kept things that make Castlevania Castlevania
Like men that look like women, rpg leveling, Metroid elements... oh wait.

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where as Cox dropped all that,
a dev wanted to do their own take on the IP. deal with it.

 
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tells us lies,
can't really argue there.

 
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and gives us this crap.
which 'crap"?

 
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It's pretty much known that this guy is a liar now. You can't deny that.
somewhat. he has this bad habit of lying to try and cover up when someone guesses things correctly.

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Yeah, LoS sold so well (MoF too) that they are releasing a half-assed "collection" bundle. How the fuck are you going to call it a collection with two games? Operation: Akumajo would like a word with you.
i never liked OA and I think they are pretentious. it's mainly to get new folks into the game. it does suck though. should wait.

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The Blood Orbs looks almost exactly the same as they do in the DMC games. I was never bitching about it due to the mechanic.
they looks imilar but dont work so.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on August 21, 2013, 05:57:43 PM
Since we will be getting battles with Death and Medusa, they might as well add in other creatures that serve as the main pillars of Castlevania like Frankenstein. Oh wait... Dont tell me that the titans represent Frankie?

Well there was that wacky robot in the first game. I'm sure we'll see more of that artificial-life jazz, at least, since

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I'd be alright with seeing some bullshit Egyptian knockoff area to house an Akmodan look-alike. In LoS1 they did a twist on the old aquatic ruins "What civilization was this? Who the fuck knows?" themed level like in Castlevania 3 and 4.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 21, 2013, 06:16:15 PM
So I heard through the grapevine that there's an option in the game that people are really going to be happy about:

In the advanced options, there is a checkbox that disable QTE's which removes cinematic press button kills after every fight. Although this option was in the testing versions so it's unknown if the final game will have it.

And on Victor, he's is pretty much the LOS equivalent of Julius all except in name (at one point he was gonna be Julius), they decided they wanted to use an unused Belmont instead so they choose Victor from Resurrection.

And the source is from the same source that leaked info on MoF and LOS2.
Dammit, PLEASE let the "QTE disable" thing be kept IN the game. THAT would be a GENIUS move on MS's part.

I  always wondered why there aren't two modes in games with QTE, "Cinematic" and "Manual". Cinematic is basically all QTE finishers remain to give the game the illusion of a more "movie-like" feel, while "Manual", there are no finishers. You just kill monsters regularly, no finishing moves. Once an enemy/boss dies, that's it(unless it's part of a non-interactive cutscene, which is fine).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on August 21, 2013, 06:18:09 PM
Some character renders

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Victors render in particular made me wish even more that this game got a next gen up port.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jestercolony on August 21, 2013, 06:20:25 PM
Alright kiddies, I'm going to end this once and for all, so prepare yourself for some education.

Castlevania started with TWO prototypes - One known as Vampire Killer (MSX), which used 'Exploration', but still used the common side-scrolling we've seen for years. The other is what we, the US fan base was introduced to (The action/platforming/linear element)


So let's do the math here

Vampire Killer <-> Simon's Quest

Simon's Quest was the FIRST Castlevania to introduce RPG elements into the series and (OMG) backtracking. How does this make sense? Simple - the hearts are used as EXP. When you level up you gain a defense bonus while buying new whips increase your damage. This exploration element and RPG element idea was not reused until SoTN's release, which now used a map layout (like Super Metroid)


Secondly - I am getting SICK and efin' tired of people calling Lords of Shadow a "RIP" off of other action games. First off, have you REALLY sat down and took the time to understand the core-combat system? The game uses elements not SEEN in any other games, if you SIT down, learn and THINK instead of being a simpleton button masher who enjoys to play their games on EASY.

Lords of Shadow's combat system is an UPDATED version of Lament of Innocence. ...But oh noez its still God of War rip off....

Orly?

God of War release - March 25th, 2005; when playing the demo of it, I called a LoI rip off because of its COMBAT system. The only thing it added was QTEs and a bald headed idiot who has teenage angst issues.

LoI release - October 21st, 2003 - My point exactly.


Who is ripping off, who brah? BRAH?!



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on August 21, 2013, 06:27:41 PM
Every game is a ripoff. Ergo, Wii Music is the most innovative title of all time. Try and refute this, nerds. :3c

I swear, what year did we get mad if every game wasn't 9/10 it's average but super innovative about games?
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Post by: Dremn on August 21, 2013, 06:29:27 PM
Some character renders

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Victors render in particular made me wish even more that this game got a next gen up port.

Aw man, I really liked Toy Maker's Eggman like nose from MoF's art. He doesn't look as twisted anymore. :/

Cool stuff though, glad to see a lot of LoS2 content today. It's been too dry on the news front.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 21, 2013, 06:33:46 PM
Aw man, I really liked Toy Maker's Eggman like nose from MoF's art. He doesn't look as twisted anymore. :/


To quote a overused meme "That's not even his final form!"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 21, 2013, 06:36:42 PM
I'm digging Victor more and more.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 21, 2013, 06:37:38 PM
To quote a overused meme "That's not even his final form!"
Hmm! I didn't even think of that! That would be interesting, he's already implied to be Dr. Frankenstein, him being Dr. Jekyll would be a cool twist as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on August 21, 2013, 06:44:59 PM
Altair confirmed for LoS2.

Oh, and anyone who says they enjoyed the Titan boss fights in LoS is lying horribly. Let's call this Cox disease.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 07:01:57 PM
Lords of Shadow's combat system is an UPDATED version of Lament of Innocence.

Just no, LoI is more like DmC while LoS is more like GoW. In LoS you got massive attacks with excessive crowd control while in LoI the whip ACTS more like a whip and doesnt do all these crazy things.


Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 07:04:50 PM
Altair confirmed for LoS2.

And we are kidding about Snake in LoS2 earlier when its Altair all the time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 21, 2013, 07:08:49 PM
What do they do in DMC games?

Also folks like you are the reason that IGA vs Cox wars start.

Just saiyan.

Takes two to tango.

So I would not say guys like him are entirely to blame for IGA vs Cox wars.

If you don't want to see it happen than ignore him and let him have say what he wants.

Or there is that nifty ignore function the forum has.

Just saiyan...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 07:15:07 PM
So the Toymaker's original form will appear as well. interesting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 21, 2013, 07:20:30 PM
Well, I just watched the new gameplay video and I like what I see for the most part. Yes, the combat looks a lot like the combat from LoS1, but it has a faster pace, and instead of light and shadow magic, you have 2 special weapons each one with one of those effects and its own attack style. I like how the focus bar seems to fill faster. It always felt so slow in LoS1.

The fact that the castle is actually alive and trying to kill you is awesome. In SotN, Alucard says that the castle is a creature of Chaos. Now in the LoS series, we actually have one that is. I didn't that coming and I can't wait to see what other surprises MS has in store for us.

The one thing I am a little worried about is the part where we see Dracula protecting the child Trevor. It looks like an escort mission (something I hate with a passion). I just hope that that kid doesn't have his own health bar. If he does, that means that he can die. And, that is what I hate about escort missions. The AI of the person you are trying to protect is usually retarded to the point in which they will actually run headlong into danger. In my experience, the individual either gets killed by an enemy or will get in my way to the point in which I actually kill them. This is why I hate them so much. Please let the kid be unkillable. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 07:23:42 PM
This form seems to be a disguise.
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Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 07:30:58 PM
I doubt it will be pure escort. might be just a "defeat the enemies to rescue him" and shit
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 21, 2013, 07:56:47 PM
Everything looks amazing, except that Victor, looks like he lives in the middle ages, but cool anyway. If he is the modern times Belmont, he must have a very interesting backstory, having his eye scarred and him being the ''last''. A game about him would kick ass, or at least his bestiary entry must explain a lot about him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 21, 2013, 08:17:01 PM
Everything looks amazing, except that Victor, looks like he lives in the middle ages, but cool anyway. If he is the modern times Belmont, he must have a very interesting backstory, having his eye scarred and him being the ''last''. A game about him would kick ass, or at least his bestiary entry must explain a lot about him.

I don't think he is a modern day Belmont, or at least he isn't in the trailer.

Think about it, he was talking to "prime Gabriel/Dracula" in the trailer, before he went into the long slumber and woke up in the modern days.

So I think he is dressed appropriately for the century he may be living in.

At this point I'm thinking there may not "technically" be a modern day belmont in this game.

I'm expecting MS to maybe go the "Genya Arikado route by having Alucard adapt to the modern day times personality and style wise and have him secretly take on his father in the shadows.

Cox did hint at him possibly drinking blood and becoming Trevor again as far as appearance goes, I can totally see them going that route with Alucard in the modern times.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 21, 2013, 08:17:54 PM
So the Toymaker's original form will appear as well. interesting.
I can go for multiple forms. I love it when some bosses surprise me(Olrox in SotN) and go all out second form on you! Hell, I want to see Zobek go pure Death, and Satan change into something other than a dark haired nude guy in black mist. If there was ANY of the LoS to go all out with the multiple form transformations, it's THIS one!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 21, 2013, 08:30:32 PM
Victor is probably the Belmont who killed Dracula before his slumber.
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Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
But guys, Gabriel gets his powers back as he goes along, and moist likely his outfit too. In the trailers you see him wearing his Epilogue outfit, but with his hair already back to "normal". (when he turns into smoke and enters what looks like a pipe organ)

And that scene where that weird demon thing grabs him by the arm and tosses him, I have a hunch is modern times.

Keep in mind: all this nonsense about the Castle turning against him, is modern day stuff. He doesnt have that problem in his prime. But after a thousand year slumber in hiding... The castle, being what it is, denounced him as it's owner. (or is being influenced by Satan's forces, which is also possible) So as modern Drac, you have to reclaim the castle.

You won't play the whole game as raggy epilogue Dracula. Would you imagine Dracula allowing himself to walk around in that shit more than he has to?

As for Victor, his clothes feel vaguely modern, but it's the addition of a hood and the armor that makes it feel medievalish. keep in mind that Cox and Co have said that this modern city will be styled to fit in with the gothic aesthetics of shit like the castle. I imagine that Victor's armor parts might most likely be passed down or something. (along with the combat cross)

Victor is probably the Belmont who killed Dracula before his slumber.

Actually, given the original LoS 2 teaser, that shows Alucard facing Dracula in the battlefield at the end, I think Alucard, with the stake-forged sword, might be the one who defets him and sends him into his slumber.

Actually, lets theorize here: what if even the holy power of the sword cannot fully kill him? Much like the original was a part of chaos and would just revive or reincarnate, what if having absorbed TFO's vast power just plain makes him unkillable? Which would be why he would need Zobek's help to finally die. Zobek controls death, he could release Gabriel from eternal life. otherwise Im sure he could just jump onto Alucards sword or impale himself with a cross or something. he said he cannot die yet he cannot live. aside from the mandatory being a vampire eternal unlife mopey stuff, what if he means it literally, he can not die?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 09:41:28 PM
Alucard battling him doesnt mean that automatically he wins, IMO Alucard will severely wound Gabriel and lose, maybe even almost dying with Gabriel sparing him one last time, then because of it, someone else taking a chance to finish Gabriel with a common Combat Cross or something else special will happen (Gabriel will enter in slumber because he doesnt want to be in this world anymore or something like that for example, like Alucard did after CV3).

If Gabriel is alive until modern times its because Alucard failed. Well, thats what I expect for now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 21, 2013, 09:44:56 PM
What i mean is, what could have caused Dracula to go into a thousand year slumber? He obviously recovered from his defeat in MoF. only a crushing near-death victory would cause something so drastic. I mean, he wakes up barely remembering who he is. Alucar'd Special Sword might have won him a victory in the past, or at leats wounded Dracula so badly that he had to retreat, and ended up sleeping for a thousand years from that defeat.

Then again, maybe something else happens. who knows.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 21, 2013, 09:54:06 PM
Yeah, its interesting to talk about things like that while the game isnt launched, we can share a lot of ideas xD
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on August 21, 2013, 10:16:21 PM
I'd say that Mr. Cox was the one who overreacted this time. He seemed to suggest there would be a lot of controversy over the choice of Victor Belmont, but honestly, I don't mind it one bit. The Dreamcast game is gone, and it's a nod to its more modern character, so what's the harm? I don't think there are a lot of fans with emotional attachment to that character, and that game isn't coming back at this point. It's a rather inspired choice all things considered. It makes me a little more intrigued; but the problem is, I'm still not crazy about the "play Dracula" idea, or most of the LoS combat/platforming systems seemingly making their return. I don't know what to say about all this. I don't hate the game in of itself, but I'm not super hyped for it, either. With the shock of LoS and its story changes out of the way, and knowing this is the close of Gabriel's tale, maybe I'll just be able to relax and enjoy it more for what it is. By the way, it's been around for a while, but great logo design on LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 21, 2013, 11:34:21 PM
Victor is the modern Belmont and
(click to show/hide)
I am actually loving the combat and platforming. It seems they really improved. Also your right about news being dry it kinda of shame that games like Lightning returns (UGH) and Call Duty (DOUBLE UGH) are getting more coverage but it is the nature of Videogame news.

Also I actually don't mind the QTES but I am glad there is option for people who don't like them. That is pretty cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on August 22, 2013, 01:39:25 AM
Nah, Victor is defiantly from the past. Remember, they said they didn't want to show gameplay of the modern city portion, and Victor appears in a non-cinematic screenshot.

Assuming Victor is Simon's son, we would have a suprisingly straightforward and short-lived Belmont family. I wouldn't mind that as it would tie everything up neatly.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 22, 2013, 01:46:35 AM
Nah, Victor is defiantly from the past. Remember, they said they didn't want to show gameplay of the modern city portion, and Victor appears in a non-cinematic screenshot.

Assuming Victor is Simon's son, we would have a suprisingly straightforward and short-lived Belmont family. I wouldn't mind that as it would tie everything up neatly.


See I don't think so. The reason is first we are assuming this isn't in the modern city but it could be a dilapidated church in the Modern city. Secondly, the leaker guy said this was originally Julius but then they decided to make him Victor Belmont which lends to idea that he is modern Belmont. Thirdly, we technically haven't been shown any gameplay in Victor Belmont reveal :P. Fourthly, the Lord of Shadows 2 Website story says Dracula is trying to regain his power back while Belmont Clan seeks his ultimate destruction which indicates their presence in the Modern era. I am like 90% sure that Victor Belmont is the modern Belmont. But who knows I may be surprised :P.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 22, 2013, 03:13:39 AM
If Victor is really the modern Belmont, then i am calling the ending where both Gabe and Victor would die together after joining forces to defeat Satan.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 22, 2013, 03:20:31 AM
Man this is game that would be amazing with multiple endings ALA Dawn of Sorrow. A ending in which Dracula is redeemed and dies in peace or an ending in which Dracula after defeating Satan becomes the Dark Lord and Alucard and Victor must defeat him. Not holding my breath but man it would be a great idea.
My Ending theory: After Satan's defeat, Alucard and Victor Belmont are totally going to try to kill off Dracula and it will be unwinnable battle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 22, 2013, 06:10:09 AM
I think that Gabriel will probably aid Victor with the last bit of his power before death, to defeat Satan, save the world, and save his bloodline.
Ultimate redemption.

I'm fond of Victor Belmont from Castlevania Resurrection.  He's the one that did NOT want to become a Hunter.  It is possible that this Victor shares similar traits and it will take some convincing on behalf of outside forces (perhaps Alucard, perhaps even Gabriel) to get him to take up the mantle.

The beard makes him look like the old Victor Belmont, too.  There's a bit of a resemblance, even if the white hood makes me think of Assassin's Creed, haha.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 22, 2013, 06:13:42 AM
When he says he is the last of illustrious bloodline, it could mean someone or something killed the rest of the family. Possibily Satan's forces as revenge against Belmont bloodline. Satan in Lord of Shadows does say I will wipe out the name of Belmont from this world.
I could see him being reluctant pre Lord of Shadows 2 but when he is attacking Gabriel doesn't seem to have much hesitation of killing some vampires :P.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 22, 2013, 06:31:06 AM
Last of the Bloodline can also mean that his bloodline has thinned away due to age... but yeah, we can go with the whole "Vampires/Forces killed my whole family" bit as well.  Not sure which one has been covered in the latest news.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 22, 2013, 06:33:29 AM
I am assuming the killed part because of him being blinded from one eyed. There is scar on one of his eyes to indicate that and he only seems to talk with one eye. He also seems pretty bitter :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: son_the_vampire on August 22, 2013, 08:15:04 AM
Nice move!!! I consider introducing Victor as a step in the right direction on LoS behalf. Makes more sense than tying in a bloodline that spans like 500 years or whatever
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 22, 2013, 08:43:07 AM
In the most recent trailers, Carmilla and Marie seem to be in the same place, like a library, maybe Carmilla was casting a Marie illusion
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 22, 2013, 08:58:21 AM
More official art of Victor!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAkLmttx.jpg&hash=f2c84ac58bb3ee475f97f7569a2f2f21)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSUtrEFK.jpg&hash=cf216bfbf76c1954a52d190cc4a8e64d)

This guy is really growing on me, he looks way better without the hood on. :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on August 22, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
His attire, based on that art, does seem a little more modern. I don't know what time period to really put him in, though. It doesn't look too much like present day with the gauntlet arm.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 22, 2013, 09:07:59 AM
The gauntlet arm could be inheritance with combat cross. Also yeah he is growing on me. Hope he takes off that Hoodie :P, probably look better instead of looking like Ezio or a hobo.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 22, 2013, 09:56:28 AM
Holy fuck, that Victor art looks amazing, the first image is made to resemble the art made for gabriel in LOS. Trevor, Simon and Alucard should have gotten the same art. Great
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 22, 2013, 10:00:34 AM
Trevor, Simon and Alucard should have gotten the same art.
Agreed, I'd love to see that happen.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 22, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
Apparently he will have ''wings'' and his gauntlet will have dark powers
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 22, 2013, 10:31:37 AM
Cox retweeted and favorited a tweet I sent him about Trevor, Alucard and Simon receiving the art treatment of Victor. Hope it gets done
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on August 22, 2013, 10:45:34 AM
What saddens me (or annoys me) is that reviewers and gamers will go "CASTLEVANIA IS A ASSASSINS CREED RIPOFF NAOW!! THIS SERIES HAVE NO ORIGINAL IDEAS AT ALL!" Just because of the hoodie. I like the hoodie but if I was a character designer, I would stay faaaar away from that kind of clothing, just to avoid those kind of comments. And Cox is gonna defend himself and deny all similarities, just like he did when LoS was accused of ripping off GoW and SotC. Mercury Steam must've known the reactions to this Victor design, though they're NEVER gonna admit he looks like Ezio. Sigh.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on August 22, 2013, 10:49:16 AM
Mercury Steam must've known the reactions to this Victor design, though they're NEVER gonna admit he looks like Ezio. Sigh.

Seeing that one of the images of Victor was labeled as "Belmont's Creed", I think they were well aware of the similarities.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 22, 2013, 10:58:53 AM
I'll add my little opinion to the conversation...
(which as always isn't so little because I always end up writing long stuff).

I don't think SotN ripped off something from Super Metroid other than the map.
The rest have its basis on games from its own franchise, and the RPG elements are present in dozens of franchises, anyway.

So, they say LoS ripped off GoW and SotC. It's true that GoW fed itself from other successful games, LoI amongst them. The titan battles really reminded me of SotC, and the ledgeforming reminded me of Prince of Persia.

But... after all... be it SotN or LoS...

What's the big deal if it implements things from other games?

I personally don't give a f* damn about innovation, and I'm sick of reading every critic and a lot of people talk about innovation like it was the only important thing, when if fact, it is not.
If something isn't broken, don't fix it. If games are fine the way they are, keep doing the same, perhaps adding little elements characteristic to each title, like the Super Mario saga does, but keeping the essence.

What do I care about stupid innovative games? Every time someone does something completely different it receives a huge amount of unjustified praise from all over the world, fans and critics, but especially critics.

I like platforming, RPG, 3D action games, etc... the games we all like.
What's wrong if a game "copies" something which I liked in the first place?
That's fine for me.

Critics (and some people) seem to have a complex where they have to complain about something all the time, and a rare condition where they love to death something the first time they see it but they hate it if they see it again, using one of the phrases I hte the most in the world... "This has been done before".  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 22, 2013, 10:59:35 AM
What saddens me (or annoys me) is that reviewers and gamers will go "CASTLEVANIA IS A ASSASSINS CREED RIPOFF NAOW!! THIS SERIES HAVE NO ORIGINAL IDEAS AT ALL!"
I haven't seen anyone say that yet, and the artwork of Victor with his hood down makes him look way more like Julius than Ezio.

Another thing I remembered is that Gabriel wore his hood at the very beginning of LoS, the white hood has just become so iconic everyone instantly thinks of Ezio now whenever they see it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on August 22, 2013, 11:52:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SMlEnRXcw8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SMlEnRXcw8&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on August 22, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
lol at the music in that trailer

Blah blah blah fucking giant robot attacking the castle blah blah blah victor looks like a hobo blah blah I hope this game bombs.

Blah.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 22, 2013, 03:18:36 PM
I noticed a map like you see in some games on the screen when I watched the video again. You know the kind you see in games so that you don't get lost. So, it's starting to look like a 3D metriodvania, or it will at least have some of those elements. I'm getting the feeling that this is going to be the opposite of CoD. More like LoI, but better. Exploration, platforming, no leveling, and a variety of weapons. Sounds like what a metroidvania should be. At least, in terms of gameplay.

And, despite the fact that some people hate the lords of shadow games because they are so different from the older games, I like the storyline. I wasn't a big fan of the combat system of LoS1, but it seems like they out did themselves for LoS2. I really can't wait for it to come out.

lol at the music in that trailer

Blah blah blah fucking giant robot attacking the castle blah blah blah victor looks like a hobo blah blah I hope this game bombs.

Blah.

Oh, just SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! YOU DON'T LIKE IT. SO WHAT!? YOU'VE ALREADY MADE YOU POINT! SO, STOP POSTING!! WE'VE GOT IT!!!

STOP ACTING LIKE A SPOILED BRAT AND GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! GOT IT!?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on August 22, 2013, 03:26:53 PM
Castlevania Lords of Shadow Simon Belmont Beta Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2bb2OfdbY#ws)

Here is a reminder of how Simon looked like, no one screamed Assassin's creed at the time though he looks damn near just like Altair
Victor takes less from this yet everyone is slapping the design with assassin's creed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 22, 2013, 03:52:10 PM
This Rugal guy is very childish
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 22, 2013, 04:00:18 PM
Castlevania Lords of Shadow Simon Belmont Beta Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2bb2OfdbY#ws)

Here is a reminder of how Simon looked like, no one screamed Assassin's creed at the time though he looks damn near just like Altair
Victor takes less from this yet everyone is slapping the design with assassin's creed.
How many fans do you think have seen this video?

One was covered at a small event.

The other at fucking Gamescom.

Which one has more exposition? I rest my case.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 22, 2013, 04:15:23 PM

Oh, just SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! YOU DON'T LIKE IT. SO WHAT!? YOU'VE ALREADY MADE YOU POINT! SO, STOP POSTING!! WE'VE GOT IT!!!

STOP ACTING LIKE A SPOILED BRAT AND GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! GOT IT!?

This Rugal guy is very childish

He's trolling. He wants you to get mad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 22, 2013, 04:36:41 PM


Oh, just SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! YOU DON'T LIKE IT. SO WHAT!? YOU'VE ALREADY MADE YOU POINT! SO, STOP POSTING!! WE'VE GOT IT!!!

STOP ACTING LIKE A SPOILED BRAT AND GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! GOT IT!?

My god dude, tone it down a couple notches.

Not defending Rugal by any means, but he is bad mouthing a video game not your mother.

As I said earlier in the topic, if you guys have a problem with Rugal than add him to your ignore list, don't go attacking him and thus getting yourself in trouble flaming him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on August 22, 2013, 04:50:33 PM
How many fans do you think have seen this video?

One was covered at a small event.

The other at fucking Gamescom.

Which one has more exposition? I rest my case.

I expect everyone on this topic to have seen this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 22, 2013, 05:00:38 PM
Everyone in this topic is not every Castlevania fan though.

also, side note: guy asked about the HD MoF

@CastlevaniaLOS @supernoob345 @AndreYounan1 Moving lips too?

@aafd7 @supernoob345 @AndreYounan1 - Yes...lip synced this time

get hype. Actual fucking lip synching would be glorious as opposed to just opening and closing mouths.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on August 22, 2013, 05:13:20 PM
Groundbreaking..

Someone get Cox a medal please.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 22, 2013, 05:25:30 PM
Everyone in this topic is not every Castlevania fan though.

also, side note: guy asked about the HD MoF

@CastlevaniaLOS @supernoob345 @AndreYounan1 Moving lips too?

@aafd7 @supernoob345 @AndreYounan1 - Yes...lip synced this time

get hype. Actual fucking lip synching would be glorious as opposed to just opening and closing mouths.
lol... that's not really important... at all...

Modifications on the gameplay and 60FPS are much more important.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on August 22, 2013, 05:52:55 PM
You know, all they'd have to do to make Victor look less like Altair is remove the hood. I guess he needs something when it rains, though.

Otherwise, he looks pretty awesome to me. Did they say whether or not Gabriel would be harassed by a different Belmont in either time period?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 22, 2013, 06:04:04 PM
I haven't seen anyone say that yet, and the artwork of Victor with his hood down makes him look way more like Julius than Ezio.

Another thing I remembered is that Gabriel wore his hood at the very beginning of LoS, the white hood has just become so iconic everyone instantly thinks of Ezio now whenever they see it.
It kinda pisses me off when suddenly the modern trend becomes the standard of comparison. I mean, when I think of a white hood, I don't think of AssCreed. If anything, I think of FFI's White Mage! ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 22, 2013, 06:32:04 PM
It kinda pisses me off when suddenly the modern trend becomes the standard of comparison. I mean, when I think of a white hood, I don't think of AssCreed. If anything, I think of FFI's White Mage! ;)
Well, maybe if you have a very nice imagination (or are 25+). Because today games are very realistic (graphically speaking). So they are easier to relate to. Do you really think people will compare him with a 8 bit sprite from a very old game or to one of the biggest franchises of these last years??
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on August 22, 2013, 07:04:32 PM
Honestly, Judging on how Proto-simon and Gabriel were designed, I was expecting hooded Belmonts to be the next Tailed Coat Belmonts....
I like the design, but I was expecting something more batman-esque for Victor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on August 22, 2013, 07:06:21 PM
It kinda pisses me off when suddenly the modern trend becomes the standard of comparison. I mean, when I think of a white hood, I don't think of AssCreed. If anything, I think of FFI's White Mage! ;)

You're right! Ugh, MercurySteam just doesn't have an original thought in its collective body.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 22, 2013, 07:36:03 PM
Haha Oh God these recent news injected that spark it was missing in here, imagination and speculation are always the best aprt of waiting  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 22, 2013, 07:37:48 PM
It lacks White Mage red color things design, thats why people dont relate it with FF I think.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 22, 2013, 08:19:47 PM
It lacks White Mage red color things design, thats why people dont relate it with FF I think.
Damn lack of the red triangle saw pattern!!! ;D I want my Victor Belmont, Battlemage!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 22, 2013, 08:24:15 PM
Victor: Curaga! xD
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on August 22, 2013, 08:36:33 PM
Haha Oh God these recent news injected that spark it was missing in here, imagination and speculation are always the best aprt of waiting  ;D

The leak guy was right about one thing, Victor's was gonna be a hot topic amongst some Castlevania fans.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 22, 2013, 10:08:37 PM
Is there still any chance we'll be having a new version of Julius and Sonia?
Or was it just Victor and that's it?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on August 23, 2013, 12:49:10 AM
Is there still any chance we'll be having a new version of Julius and Sonia?
Or was it just Victor and that's it?
I think that's it. Never expect too much.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 23, 2013, 12:51:11 AM
Again my hopes were too high... :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on August 23, 2013, 01:57:58 AM
Groundbreaking..

Someone get Cox a medal please.

That's enough for now. You can express your opinion freely here, but the tone which you choose to do so is not necessary, and nobody here is interested in reading the resulting shouting matches.  
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on August 23, 2013, 08:25:34 AM
Sorry for the absence these weeks, was away working in Barcelona and have been completely disconnected.

To those who inquire about the authentic extension (length) of LOS2, We are going to answer yourself, a 20/25 hours of gameplay, great graphics detail (and almost all new environments between zones), a single disc...... tik tak tik tak tik tak

I think after reading the first paragraph I have you answered, NO, not a SOTN, is like a LOS1 but with better graphics, camera, ¡¡¡HISTORY!!! and ambience (most of the ambience is pure castlevania). Nothing more.

This great for me.

PD: There will be a big surprise (apart from Victor) ... saved one as for December (I think, without confirming that date) who will? ..
PD2: I have heard that are forming teams LOS2 related to after Feb 2014 .... DLC? ..
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Post by: Kingshango on August 23, 2013, 08:48:22 AM
Sorry for the absence these weeks, was away working in Barcelona and have been completely disconnected.

To those who inquire about the authentic extension (length) of LOS2, We are going to answer yourself, a 20/25 hours of gameplay, great graphics detail (and almost all new environments between zones), a single disc...... tik tak tik tak tik tak

I think after reading the first paragraph I have you answered, NO, not a SOTN, is like a LOS1 but with better graphics, camera, ¡¡¡HISTORY!!! and ambience (most of the ambience is pure castlevania). Nothing more.

This great for me.

PD: There will be a big surprise (apart from Victor) ... saved one as for December (I think, without confirming that date) who will? ..
PD2: I have heard that are forming teams LOS2 related to after Feb 2014 .... DLC? ..

Im gonna use my eagle eye to decipher this as best I can:

LOS2 is a fairly long game that last's an estimate of 20 hours and the graphics are wonderful and full of detail and it's all on one disc.

It's not exactly a SOTN type metroidvania, more like it's LOS1 but wayyy bigger in scale and the atmosphere is reminiscent of other Castlevania's (YMMV of course).

Victor isn't the only surprise in LOS2 and that will be revealed in December.

There will probably be DLC but it's done by a separate team and will be released after the game launches in February.

Oh and Bergaron before you leave can you confirm if there is in fact an option that disables QTE's? There was word that it was possible in the testing versions of the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on August 23, 2013, 09:18:26 AM
I agree, I instantly thought about Beta Simon Belmont as well, when I saw Victor, I really wasn't thinking about Assassin's Creed when I saw the hooded because of Gabriel at the beginning of LOS when he was hooded. I think I was more upset about the Combat Cross instead of the Vampire Killer. I like the design of the Combat Cross and I like the gameplay elements with it, but for some reason it never worked for me as a fan. Maybe, I am just too old school. When I think Castlevania, I think Whip not Combat Cross.

By the way, this is totally bad ass looking:

http://www.zavvi.com/games/platforms/ps3/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-collection-zavvi-exclusive-limited-edition-steelbook/10846151.html?affil=awin&awc=2549_1377262747_c8da68f726ea7192eff5e0c2421cd4a0&utm_source=AWin-104425&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=AffiliateWin (http://www.zavvi.com/games/platforms/ps3/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-collection-zavvi-exclusive-limited-edition-steelbook/10846151.html?affil=awin&awc=2549_1377262747_c8da68f726ea7192eff5e0c2421cd4a0&utm_source=AWin-104425&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=AffiliateWin)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 23, 2013, 09:19:08 AM
Bergon: So can we expect 15-17 hours story line game play with optional area and exploration being 6-8 hours? I don't expect to be SOTN but I do want to understand what exactly is COX saying with optional areas, optional enemies and storyscenes and how extensive they are.

Also, extra surprise? Does that mean a extra belmont O_O?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jmodlin210 on August 23, 2013, 09:23:57 AM
Will there be DLC for Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 and what kind of DLC will be in Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2?
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Post by: Chernabogue on August 23, 2013, 09:27:35 AM
Will there be DLC for Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 and what kind of DLC will be in Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2?
LOL how could we possibly know?
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 23, 2013, 09:30:29 AM
Alucard and Victor Belmont Packs Calling it :P. Of course they are going to have a Alucard DLC they would be crazy not too. Wait another possibility for the surprise is PLAYABLE ALUCARD  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 23, 2013, 09:31:57 AM
@Kingshango: No one said anything about a option for disabling QTE's in LoS2 IIRC, they said it about MoF HD. But even so its a VERY good question :P

I don't expect to be SOTN but I do want to understand what exactly is COX saying with optional areas, optional enemies and storyscenes and how extensive they are.

Also, extra surprise? Does that mean a extra belmont O_O?


Optional areas and exploration = backtracking. They've shown in the trailer that you will gain new abilities that can open new areas, like when Gabriel freezes water to climb it. Expect optional enemies to be in it and "storyscenes" to be these presentation scenes when a enemy appears for the first time in the game. If you think like that you will be a lot more close to reality.

About extra surprise it can be a new belmont, if they included Victor they will include Sonia for sure, it seems obvious to me. Cox started mentioning Sonia before, not Victor. So he wants to use the whole Ressurection pack, not only one char.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 23, 2013, 09:34:10 AM
Kingshango: I think he is referring to the leaker guy who mentioned it for Lord of Shadows 2 in some thread. Unless you are reading it too?  :o
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Post by: Bergaron on August 23, 2013, 09:46:37 AM
there are three sides to this story:
- past
- present
- Illusions ... (with few false facts and certain other)

That's what they told me, I guess that Victor is the present (for the tattoo and some clothes (Victor the homeless ... cool ..)), but it is an assumption.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 23, 2013, 09:52:56 AM
Hi everyone  ;D What have I missed guys and gals?
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 23, 2013, 09:54:03 AM
- Illusions ... (with few false facts and certain other)
Ok now I'm interested. Please tell me more. I'm ready to get mindfu***d
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Post by: Dremn on August 23, 2013, 10:02:43 AM
there are three sides to this story:
- past
- present
- Illusions ... (with few false facts and certain other)


That explains Carmilla and young Trevor then.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 23, 2013, 10:06:25 AM
Turns out Gabriel Belmont thought he was a Dracula when the whole time he was plugged into the MATRIX! WOAH.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 23, 2013, 10:12:19 AM
I'm going to assume all of this information happened today right?
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 23, 2013, 10:14:40 AM
Neobelmont: The information that Beragon is giving us  is today. The information on Victor Belmont, the new belmont is this week.
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Post by: Nagumo on August 23, 2013, 10:16:58 AM
PD: There will be a big surprise (apart from Victor) ... saved one as for December (I think, without confirming that date) who will?

Sonia or GTFO.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 23, 2013, 10:18:40 AM
Neobelmont: The information that Beragon is giving us  is today. The information on Victor Belmont, the new belmont is this week.

  -_-  Miss a day $hit happens like a beef at a 7-eleven. OSM already updated the facts page I guess I'll update it as more info comes but school is about to start so I have my priorities.
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Post by: Dremn on August 23, 2013, 11:42:13 AM
Sonia or GTFO.
I would really love to see Mercury Steam's take on a female Belmont. Sonia doesn't get enough love from Konami.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 23, 2013, 11:46:06 AM
If we use the scenes from the trailer as material for thinking, Illusions will happen as the end chapter. Why? Because Gabriel is doing good things and protecting someone that seems to be Trevor, this seems to be a redemption test for me.
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Post by: Dremn on August 23, 2013, 11:50:14 AM
Lots of artwork inbound!

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Looks like the Land of the Dead will make a comeback, hopefully it won't be as tedious as it was in LoS1.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 23, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
There aren't simply better artists in the videogame medium than those in MercurySteam.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 23, 2013, 12:03:29 PM
Quote
Looks like the Land of the Dead will make a comeback, hopefully it won't be as tedious as it was in LoS1.

That's where i gave up on LoS.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 23, 2013, 12:29:51 PM
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Castlevania's Combat form?

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Medusa mixed with Euridice?
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Post by: Flame on August 23, 2013, 01:01:00 PM
TRANSFORMERS, CASTLES IN DISGUISE

Well given the gameplay bit, that does seem to be a Castlevania Golem, animated by what seems to be Castlevania's very blood. (I love that idea of the castle having blood)

Turns out Gabriel Belmont thought he was a Dracula when the whole time he was plugged into the MATRIX! WOAH.
In the end, we will see it was all a bad trip, and we'll see Gabe in modern times, a normal guy, passed out next to some Castlevania games. "whoa, what a dream. I knew I shouldn't have played them all one after the other..."
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 23, 2013, 01:09:48 PM
Well, Carmilla es evil lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on August 23, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
That's where i gave up on LoS.

That's not the land of the dead, it's Dracula's furnace. The same furnace is in MoF as well.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 23, 2013, 01:26:13 PM
That's not the land of the dead, it's Dracula's furnace. The same furnace is in MoF as well.

So, is Dracula going to roast us or turn us into soaps? :P
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Post by: Lelygax on August 23, 2013, 02:14:03 PM
...it's Dracula's furnace. The same furnace is in MoF as well.

Seriously? Now they are even trying to explain why so many roasted chicken exists in Castlevania?!
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Post by: Pfil on August 23, 2013, 02:37:57 PM
Land of the Dead was one of the most boring sections I can remember playing in a game.
I hope they make it a little more fun and less monotonous this time.
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Post by: Flame on August 23, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Well, the part I liked best about it, was that place with the lava and the Gravedigger and shit. THAT area was fucking awesome. I think it was right before the land of the dead proper though. Man that Gravedigger. I forgot about him. he was neat.
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Post by: Dremn on August 23, 2013, 05:52:34 PM
That's not the land of the dead, it's Dracula's furnace. The same furnace is in MoF as well.
You're actually right. My bad.

Good, I'm ok with this. Land of the Dead was really awful.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 23, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
There aren't simply better artists in the videogame medium than those in MercurySteam.
Debatable. There are a tons of great artists that work in the video game industry. Hell, though he's known for his zipper and belt fetish, Tetsuya Nomura, at one time(long, long ago), drew things like this:

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Shame he doesn't do stuff like that anymore.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 23, 2013, 09:18:01 PM
In V. Belmont art, there seems to be a face in the upper right corner, kind of an old face. Maybe its Simon Belmont, giving Victor vampire killing tips ;)
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Post by: somasworld on August 24, 2013, 03:03:57 AM
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Skeletons with red eyes !!! oh my god..i love this one so much.... awesome !!!!
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Post by: Lelygax on August 24, 2013, 03:18:07 AM
Spinal, is that you...?

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Post by: Rugal on August 24, 2013, 08:49:18 AM
There aren't simply better artists in the videogame medium than those in MercurySteam.

Not only does this sentence not make any grammatical sense, it is just plain wrong.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 24, 2013, 08:53:58 AM
Not only does this sentence not make any grammatical sense, it is just plain wrong.
At me look I tremble how

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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 24, 2013, 10:14:34 AM
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Skeletons with red eyes !!! oh my god..i love this one so much.... awesome !!!!

Here's hoping the skeletons are not a complete pain in the ass to beat (but I know they will be).

When you think of a CV game you always think of skeletons as a lesser enemy that was defeated easily, I don't like how LOS changed that...

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Post by: Rugal on August 24, 2013, 12:14:29 PM
Why is Dracula fighting against his own minions in his own castle anyway?
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Post by: e105beta on August 24, 2013, 12:26:44 PM
Why is Dracula fighting against his own minions in his own castle anyway?

Same reason Soma had to: Castle doesn't recognize him as master anymore.
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Post by: somasworld on August 24, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
Here's hoping the skeletons are not a complete pain in the ass to beat (but I know they will be).

When you think of a CV game you always think of skeletons as a lesser enemy that was defeated easily, I don't like how LOS changed that...

yes the skeletons in LOS1 was too strong and too hard to kill....i hope in los2 wee can kill a lot of them easily...it makes more fun...
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Post by: Maedhros on August 24, 2013, 01:01:27 PM
The combat style doesn't help with this.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 24, 2013, 01:33:07 PM
Here's hoping the skeletons are not a complete pain in the ass to beat (but I know they will be).

When you think of a CV game you always think of skeletons as a lesser enemy that was defeated easily, I don't like how LOS changed that...


That was one of the few things I hated about LoS1. I can see Sword Masters and Knights being tough, but not skeletons. In CV, they are meant to be weak by definition.
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Post by: beingthehero on August 24, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
Yeah, their strange resilience took me aback the first time I reached the castle sewers in LoS1. Even in God of War they were easy to kill. It's like the skeletons were replaced by Orcs as the disposable minion.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 24, 2013, 03:53:41 PM
Well, if these skeletons are so resistant like you guys are saying, they should have drunk a LOT of milk to have strong bones. xD

It would be good if we could destroy a skeleton with 4 or 5 strong attacks.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 24, 2013, 04:11:29 PM
I just realized we have a map and this "house of lords" place seems interesting to me with a name like that I wonder if it becomes that demon room in the future that was posted awhile ago.
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Post by: Kaori on August 24, 2013, 04:33:10 PM
That art on page 224 looks gorgeous! I still have no desire to get LoS2 (unless something magically changes my mind), but I love that art! As I've said many times, Mercurystream certainly does at least one thing right, even if I'm not a fan of the LoS saga: the visuals.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on August 24, 2013, 05:42:34 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow Hint: Most of the time where you find Skeletons there`s always a full Crystal nearby...
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Post by: Rugal on August 24, 2013, 06:00:39 PM
Same reason Soma had to: Castle doesn't recognize him as master anymore.

Um.. How long has Gabriel been Dracula now? Soma was some kid who had the power to take souls, Gabriel IS Dracula and sits in the throne room all his life.

What you said doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 24, 2013, 06:05:21 PM
Um.. How long has Gabriel been Dracula now? Soma was some kid who had the power to take souls, Gabriel IS Dracula and sits in the throne room all his life.

What you said doesn't make any sense to me.

Maybe Castlevania is sick of waiting for his husband Dracula and decided to punish him a bit.
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Post by: KaZudra on August 24, 2013, 07:05:52 PM
I think I read somewhere that Dracula wanted to leave the castle and the castle wouldn't let him....
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Post by: VladCT on August 24, 2013, 07:16:23 PM
I think I read somewhere that Dracula wanted to leave the castle and the castle wouldn't let him....
Ooh, yandere castle.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 24, 2013, 07:24:45 PM
See? I said that Castlevania have a love relationship with Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on August 24, 2013, 07:34:19 PM
Castlevania was foreclosed upon, as these are dark economic times. They have to evict Gabe somehow.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 24, 2013, 08:08:13 PM
He's been asleep for like, what, 1000 years? Not even in the castle itself, but in some church. And when he gets back out he's all crusty and old and depowered. Castle has a life of it's own, it was made through a pact with a demon, and probably is a demon itself. probably considers him weak now, or unfit to be the master. Dracula rules through fear. He is extremely strong, and everyone knows it. Even the Castle. Considering you have to regain your lost powers, the Castle is not afraid of you, and thinks you are a weakling now, even if the subordinates themselves still respect you.

There's also the story elements we don't know about yet. Satan's involved again, so his influence could be relevant there.

TL;DR, if you watched the video you would have heard, the Castle-posessed monster(Is it a Vampire warrior?) says "You're not our lord anymore"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on August 24, 2013, 09:53:52 PM
Um.. How long has Gabriel been Dracula now? Soma was some kid who had the power to take souls, Gabriel IS Dracula and sits in the throne room all his life.

What you said doesn't make any sense to me.

I can't be sure, but it seems like the part of the game where Castlevania is attacking Dracula is in the future, which means Dracula has been asleep for over 500 years, so long that he barely remembers who he is upon waking up.

At that point, a reviving Dracula may as well be some guy with minor vampire powers, and if Satan is involved, I could totally see the Castle rebelling against its former master.

EDIT: What Flame said.
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Post by: Chernabogue on August 25, 2013, 02:22:38 AM
I remember Cox or Alvarez said the Castle was rebelling against Gabriel because he wanted to put an end to his eternal life (meaning the destruction of the castle too).
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 25, 2013, 02:26:18 AM
You know I am wondering how Carmilla is back and whether she is illusion? She should be totally dead both her dark and light counterpart. Also it seems she is boss battle with her holding the lantern? Also is the Toy maker, Frankstein?  :o
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Post by: Chernabogue on August 25, 2013, 03:00:12 AM
Also is the Toy maker, Frankstein?  :o
Toy Maker is Frankenstein's twisted apprentice.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 25, 2013, 03:02:09 AM
OR IS HE REALLY FRANKSTEIN?!! (Dun Dun). If he is Frankstein I am hoping for a proper Frankstein monster :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on August 25, 2013, 07:12:04 AM
If i remember correctly, the Castle reveals against Gabriel/Dracula it`s because of some Satan influence and his return to take vengance....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 25, 2013, 07:49:25 AM
Toy Maker is Frankenstein's twisted apprentice.
OR IS HE REALLY FRANKSTEIN?!! (Dun Dun). If he is Frankstein I am hoping for a proper Frankstein monster :D

Toymaker was Rinaldo Gandolfi's apprentice, not Frankenstein's. Frankenstein was killed by Carmilla while he was the owner of the Castle after the Bernhards.

That said, he more or less fills the same purpose either way.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on August 25, 2013, 08:27:01 AM
I hate it when you come home and your apartment rebels against you! Last week my stove died and yesterday a lamp broke. I can totally see what Gabula must be going through!
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Post by: somasworld on August 25, 2013, 09:13:53 AM
the most beautiful fantasy-game this gen !!!!
http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2013/198/672716_20130718_screen001.jpg (http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2013/198/672716_20130718_screen001.jpg)
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 25, 2013, 09:15:09 AM
I wonder if we will ever the mystery of Rinaldo Gandolfi of how he looks like and why is he so important? Maybe its better the mystery is unanswered.
I think we are going to go through a drought of Lord of Shadows news until Tokyo Games Show.
Also if that is Satan's daughter then does Satan mates with ostrichs  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 25, 2013, 09:42:39 AM
I wonder if we will ever the mystery of Rinaldo Gandolfi of how he looks like and why is he so important? Maybe its better the mystery is unanswered.
I think we are going to go through a drought of Lord of Shadows news until Tokyo Games Show.
Also if that is Satan's daughter then does Satan mates with ostrichs  :o

Rinaldo Gandolfi
Lord of the Rings Shadows

YOU SHALL NOT PASS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4UfAL9f74I#ws)
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Post by: KaZudra on August 25, 2013, 10:13:42 AM
the most beautiful fantasy-game this gen !!!!
http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2013/198/672716_20130718_screen001.jpg (http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2013/198/672716_20130718_screen001.jpg)
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1080p
No Jaggies

yep, that's definitely a Screen from the PC version...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 25, 2013, 10:32:01 AM
>implying any other version exists

I would have gotten LoS on PC if

1. It had a PC version

2. I had my new PC back then. (probably would have anyway)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 25, 2013, 10:43:57 AM
I will grab a LoS copy for PC, it will come in a ship with cannons, a skull flag and will be waiting for me in a bay ( :P )
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 25, 2013, 10:54:41 AM
That screenshot is totally a demolished building in the Modern city.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 25, 2013, 12:37:41 PM
It's really crazy how much more "Castlevania" LoS2 looks compared to LoS1. It's almost as if a different team is making it.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 25, 2013, 12:39:01 PM
I think the lack of Sunlight has something to do with it  :P
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Post by: e105beta on August 25, 2013, 01:34:11 PM
It's really crazy how much more "Castlevania" LoS2 looks compared to LoS1. It's almost as if a different team is making it.

Life before Dracula and life after Dracula. It makes sense.

And it's a good thing too. As much as I like LoS, that extra dark feel in MoF and LoS2 is super awesome.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 25, 2013, 01:46:16 PM
I am wondering what other modern aspects we are going to see in game besides the City? Are the Brotherhood of Light in Modern era wielding guns? I wonder if Dracula is going to fight Tanks and F-16s :P. Kinda of like Ninja gaiden with Ryu shooting arrows at tank.

Also I agree I liked LOS but castlevanishness of MOF and LOS2 is pretty great.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on August 25, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
I picked up my copy of LoS PC on steam over the weekend, as of right now, 1 day, 21 hours still feels like forever...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 26, 2013, 03:41:08 PM
Until now, I hadn't noticed the little map on screen in LOS2 gameplay. Looks cool and useful but I think that its too small
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 26, 2013, 04:08:44 PM
Until now, I hadn't noticed the little map on screen in LOS2 gameplay. Looks cool and useful but I think that its too small
It's better then no map at all like in the first game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on August 26, 2013, 06:06:19 PM
I am wondering what other modern aspects we are going to see in game besides the City? Are the Brotherhood of Light in Modern era wielding guns? I wonder if Dracula is going to fight Tanks and F-16s :P. Kinda of like Ninja gaiden with Ryu shooting arrows at tank.


Oh god please no. That was hands down the worst part of Ninja Gaiden.

Unless they make the army base look crazy and Gothic like everything else. That would be very trippy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 26, 2013, 06:10:43 PM
Imagine a Tank Golem shooting dark lasers and explosions. Modern things would only be cool as enemies if combined with fantasy (aka magic).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on August 26, 2013, 08:18:59 PM
Welp. Given how Victor looks, I'm going to assume the super special God order of knights will retain a medieval/ancient flair much in the same way.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on August 26, 2013, 08:49:39 PM
Who knows. As far as we know Trevor was the last Belmont who did work for the Order of Light. Simon Grew and trained by himself and seems to have no relation with them anymore. The order could have evolve with the times while the Belmont legacy could have keep their traditional vampire hunting tecniques... And as far as we can tell for now is that Trevor was also the only Belmont to know his blood relation with Dracula and could still been a secret for his descendants...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 26, 2013, 09:37:01 PM
IMO Simon understood at the ending that Alucard was Trevor, he even did a bitter smile.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Check on August 26, 2013, 11:30:48 PM
The Lord of Shadow combo video is done.  Just waiting to release it at some point.  Just wanted to let you all know.  I think Jorge has seen it already and a few others.  If you'd like to watch it before i release it, just send me a PM and ill give you a unlisted youtube link.

Also just wanted to share, in that gameplay demonstration for LOS2, enemies fly back after they fall to the ground from Rising Strike.  Virtually, you could OTG enemies to death after they landed in MOF and LOS1, so this is a good feature.

However, after talking to Dave Cox about the combo system, and how limited it was in MOF, he said it was intentional.  Personally, i feel like if the best LOS2 has to offer me is 5 hit combos, then they automatically fall to ground, is gonna make the game really bland for me. 

All they have to do is make a second launch send them flying back.  Then the system can become balanced.  After working on the video, i can safely say that.

The air attacks are slower now, and the fact that they fly back after they land is already leading me to believe they will automatically fall after a few hits.  God i hope not.  I really feel like this can hurt the game badly.

It's a hack and slash game.  That's all im saying.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 27, 2013, 05:44:27 AM
A new article from destructoid puts LOS2 among the ten best games that they saw at gamescom.

http://www.destructoid.com/our-top-ten-games-of-gamescom-2013-260689.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/our-top-ten-games-of-gamescom-2013-260689.phtml)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 27, 2013, 05:47:14 AM
Anybody find it kinda of weird the current Destructoid stance on LOS2 after Jim Sterling infamous review of the first.  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 27, 2013, 05:54:42 AM
Either they're ass kissing or there has been some good improvements.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 27, 2013, 05:57:06 AM
I don't know if they are ass kissing they been pretty negative on LOS series until recently. Sooooooo either they got trucks piling money on their yards or there are improvements. EVEN SO ITS WEIIIIIIIIIIRD
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Post by: somasworld on August 27, 2013, 06:01:02 AM
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IGA will never create a better Castlevania than this Lords of Shadow 2 !!!
David Cox has done a lot of things really well....
The series has become really really famous and Castlevania is now one of the
most anticipated games nex year !!!

David Cox we have to THANK YOU
YOU made CASTLEVANIA BIGGER AND BETTER THAN EVER !!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 27, 2013, 06:06:35 AM
I don't know about that. Although I think Igrashi made some sub standard 3D games. I think his ingenuity and prowess when it comes to 2D games cannot be denied. Although I was getting a metroidvania fatigue, I do think he was making some improvements in formula in Order of Ecclesia. I think Mercury Stream is much better at doing 3D Castlevania but I think their work on Mirror of Fate proved that they are not as good at doing 2D Castlevania games. Although I enjoyed Mirror Of Fate it doesn't hold a candle to Igrashi Metroidvania games even though I prefer Mercury Stream art style and characters. My view both Igrashi and Mercury Stream are good for the series just in different ways.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 27, 2013, 07:50:42 AM
IGA will never make a better 3D game, but a /game/ in general? That's debatable, some could argue he already did (Ecclesia, not Symphony because that was not his). And I for one don't want this argument again.

In other news, yay,. posivity in the press! That's great, remember how LoS1 was ill recieved since the beginning? The cfact it ended witha good metacritic surprises me, because all big outlets killed it in their reviews. Except Gamesradar, Gamesradar rules.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 27, 2013, 09:08:04 AM
I would argue that Gamespot grade their 7.0 while numerically low is actually a good review of the game. Although I would put the game numerically the same as Eurogamer did with their 8. I love Lord of Shadows but its flawed game but I am glad that Lord of Shadow 2 is looking to fulfill its potential. Its basically the game, mercurystream wanted to make from the beginning. A game in which you played as Dracula in Castlevania game.
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Post by: Kingshango on August 27, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
I think Gamespot gave a fair review on LOS1 despite it getting only a 7.5 (which is not a bad score btw) but IGN's review just read like the ramblings of an angry IGA fanboy (no offences to the IGA fans here) who's first Castlevania was SOTN. Like the Gamespot It wasn't the score that bothered me but rather the written review as well as the video review.

Aside from that, im glad to see that LOS2 is getting more positive praise compared to LOS1 (and definitely MoF) but journalist do have a history of flipping their switch once they do the review.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 27, 2013, 10:48:34 AM
I don't bother to listen to journalists or reviews anymore. It's so easy to call anything that's marketed as a AAA game a GOTY contender or the greatest thing ever since sliced bread. Playing the game for myself is much more efficient.
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Post by: Bergaron on August 27, 2013, 11:28:07 AM
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IGA will never create a better Castlevania than this Lords of Shadow 2 !!!
David Cox has done a lot of things really well....
The series has become really really famous and Castlevania is now one of the
most anticipated games nex year !!!

David Cox we have to THANK YOU
YOU made CASTLEVANIA BIGGER AND BETTER THAN EVER !!!

Ehhhh ... Is this serious? Or is trolling?

Bigger? no (fantastic bigger for a 3D game, but no have 100 hour..)
Better? mmm waiting LOS2.. but i think NO, only DIFERENT, is almost imposible say that a fantastic game is better than other, is like say FFVII is better than Ocarina of Time.. no... they are fantastic and diferent...

Anyway. A half year Cox fits Castlevania producer, will set you need a calculator to count how many are going to say stupid things. It will be at ease with everyone ...

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 27, 2013, 01:17:31 PM
I don't know about that. Although I think Igrashi made some sub standard 3D games. I think his ingenuity and prowess when it comes to 2D games cannot be denied. Although I was getting a metroidvania fatigue, I do think he was making some improvements in formula in Order of Ecclesia. I think Mercury Stream is much better at doing 3D Castlevania but I think their work on Mirror of Fate proved that they are not as good at doing 2D Castlevania games. Although I enjoyed Mirror Of Fate it doesn't hold a candle to Igrashi Metroidvania games even though I prefer Mercury Stream art style and characters. My view both Igrashi and Mercury Stream are good for the series just in different ways.
Mercury Steam also had 10x the budget that even LoI and CoD combined had. Hell, toss in there all of his Castlevanias combined and maybe you still wont get the budget LoS got.
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 27, 2013, 01:32:22 PM
Honestly I think ten times budget could be attributed to this generation requiring much more money than last generation for blockbusters. Also I don't know if one could really say that all the poor level design and shoddy mechanics in Igrashi games could be attributed to shoddy budgets. I think it is difficult to move from 2D to 3D games and some developers can't manage it to no fault of their own. Anyway it is meaningless to say now whether the Igrashi games in gameplay terms would be better with a larger budget because it won't change what has happened. However I think most would agree that Igrashi 2D games are much much better then his 3D games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 27, 2013, 02:05:30 PM
Mercury Steam also had 10x the budget that even LoI and CoD combined had. Hell, toss in there all of his Castlevanias combined and maybe you still wont get the budget LoS got.
We don't know that, for all intents and purposes salaries in japan are 7x those of Spain.
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Post by: Bergaron on August 27, 2013, 02:12:19 PM
We don't know that, for all intents and purposes salaries in japan are 7x those of Spain.

Exactly!!, Four years ago won 2000 euros a month, now 950 (and I have almost 10 years experience in Oracle technologies). I found the work of chance and work about 10 hours a day.

It is more than possible that the first LOS (but not los2) is cheaper than any 2D castlevania ...

MS is assumed that part of the costs, that is, part of the "payment" was to have the possibility of working with Konami and be known .. that was in the LOS1, now make more your own pace.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 27, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
IGA will never create a better Castlevania than this Lords of Shadow 2 !!!
David Cox has done a lot of things really well....
The series has become really really famous and Castlevania is now one of the
most anticipated games nex year !!!

David Cox we have to THANK YOU
YOU made CASTLEVANIA BIGGER AND BETTER THAN EVER !!!
From the moment you are mentioning Iga you are recognizing what you are denying.
If you are so proud of Cox you don't need to mention Iga.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on August 27, 2013, 03:38:47 PM
A new article from destructoid puts LOS2 among the ten best games that they saw at gamescom.

http://www.destructoid.com/our-top-ten-games-of-gamescom-2013-260689.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/our-top-ten-games-of-gamescom-2013-260689.phtml)

I don't believe it  I'll wait till the review comes out:

Jim Sterling CV:los2 he'll some how pull out of his mind that los:2 is a 6/10 game or something oh and IGN a freaking 7.3 for the consoles and a 7.5 for pc I have no hope from the main sites  :P And if gametrailers bitch about los:2 having no map I'll call them out they said in their los review iirc about having no map there is clearly a map in los:2 . It's clear as day this game is a mass improvement over los in everything okay maybe music but that is debatable  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 27, 2013, 03:50:17 PM
I am actually pretty optimistic this game will be reviewed much better then Lord of Shadows. Lord of Shadows was a bit of a shock to previous castlevania players and it had flaws. I think by now people understand its supposed to be its own sub series and I think they have made some needed improvements.
For me if the game can get a good review from Eurogamer I will be sold :D
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Post by: Rugal on August 27, 2013, 03:50:35 PM
The only things Cox can do well are: Destroying franchises, making sub-par video games, and lying.
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Post by: Flame on August 27, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
The only things Cox can do well are: Destroying franchises, making sub-par video games, and lying.
And the only thing you can do well is flamebait.
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Post by: Rugal on August 27, 2013, 03:55:12 PM
And the only thing you can do well is flamebait.

Sure thing Mr. Flame.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 27, 2013, 03:59:00 PM
Honestly I think ten times budget could be attributed to this generation requiring much more money than last generation for blockbusters. Also I don't know if one could really say that all the poor level design and shoddy mechanics in Igrashi games could be attributed to shoddy budgets. I think it is difficult to move from 2D to 3D games and some developers can't manage it to no fault of their own. Anyway it is meaningless to say now whether the Igrashi games in gameplay terms would be better with a larger budget because it won't change what has happened. However I think most would agree that Igrashi 2D games are much much better then his 3D games.
Of course it can.
Less money = less people to work with 3D assets = more reused assets. Developers work on with the limits they have.

LoI and CoD, even on the PS2, couldn't be considered blockbusters on the PS2, AT ALL. The PS2 blockbusters were GoW, DmC, FF, KH, etc... Castlevania was nowhere near these.

There nothing meaningless in the argument, we'll never know if he could make a better game without them giving the chance in the first place. For one, we could have had better assets/graphics in general (considering the limits of PS2).

It's obvious that LoS was the first time Konami tried to make CV a blockbuster. With IGA, the probably only wanted to make something that would give them easy money, like the 2D games.

Exactly!!, Four years ago won 2000 euros a month, now 950 (and I have almost 10 years experience in Oracle technologies). I found the work of chance and work about 10 hours a day.

It is more than possible that the first LOS (but not los2) is cheaper than any 2D castlevania ...

MS is assumed that part of the costs, that is, part of the "payment" was to have the possibility of working with Konami and be known .. that was in the LOS1, now make more your own pace.

Sorry Bergaron, this makes no sense at all. The only thing these salaries means is that they can have even more people on the team. The budget can still be bigger than these other titles.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on August 27, 2013, 04:03:12 PM
I am actually pretty optimistic this game will be reviewed much better then Lord of Shadows. Lord of Shadows was a bit of a shock to previous castlevania players and it had flaws. I think by now people understand its supposed to be its own sub series and I think they have made some needed improvements.
For me if the game can get a good review from Eurogamer I will be sold :D


They say third times the charm but there are those with their heads so far up their butts that they can't see a good game. Hatfield's ign review was a joke it's not a MV, not part of the main cv storyline I forgot the review but it's foolish, the other guy that did the ign Mof review was so unbelievably harsh like damn and I have no hope for them I except them to make a mediocre score and all the other big sites like GS,GT while they were around the seven score and at least theirs made some form of sense so maybe there is a chance there. As far as the reviews go I do feel that it will be mixed even if all this information is pointing to it being a great action game note I said great action game not just a cv game.

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Post by: e105beta on August 27, 2013, 04:20:14 PM

They say third times the charm but there are those with their heads so far up their butts that they can't see a good game. Hatfield's ign review was a joke it's not a MV, not part of the main cv storyline I forgot the review but it's foolish, the other guy that did the ign Mof review was so unbelievably harsh like damn and I have no hope for them I except them to make a mediocre score and all the other big sites like GS,GT while they were around the seven score and at least theirs made some form of sense so maybe there is a chance there. As far as the reviews go I do feel that it will be mixed even if all this information is pointing to it being a great action game note I said great action game not just a cv game.

The deciding factor is going to be whether the reviewers the big sites get are their "resident fans" or just a game reviewer. I'm always skeptical when I hear things like "I'm the resident fan, so I wanted to review it" because it means the reviewer is coming in with a fairly large bias. While these reviews might work well with people who share the same opinions, they come off as overly critical or overly praising to people who don't have as much of a stake in the matter.

Sorry Bergaron, this makes no sense at all. The only thing these salaries means is that they can have even more people on the team. The budget can still be bigger than these other titles.

I think what he's trying to say is that because the salaries are lower, and because we know MercurySteam was a very small company at the time of LoS, the budget may actually have been just as small as those for IGA's games because the cost of labor was lower, despite maybe having more people.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 27, 2013, 04:24:21 PM
Interesting, so MS is a confinancer of LoS, Konami is so cheap it infuriates me.
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Post by: beingthehero on August 27, 2013, 04:26:08 PM
not Symphony because that was not his).

That's rather disingenuous. Toru Hagihara passed IGA the baton after Bloodletting was canceled, when they made the move to the PSX. Plus IGA is credited as Assistant Director, Scenario Writer, and Programmer- he was very intimately involved with SotN. He confirmed in the Chronicles interview that he was the one who decided to go with the Metroidvania element to lengthen gameplay time. So to say that SotN wasn't his is pretty false.

Also one person isn't responsible for an entire game. Neither IGA nor Cox are Pixel, toiling away on games all by themselves. They are team efforts, and saying that single person is responsible for any of the CV games is quite insulting to the entire teams that actually made the games. For example, it was one of PoR's programmers that put in the Sisters mode, not IGA, and Igarashi mentioned in a blog post that he was overruled during the development of Judgment when he wanted Don't Wait Until Midnight to be Simon's theme but the team chose Vampire Killer instead.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 27, 2013, 04:28:30 PM
It is as I've said before, IGA did miracles with the amount of money they spent in his projects. If Hideo Kojima tried to help IGA like he have helped MercurySteam intervening in things, surely reciclying would be minimum or inexistent. Look at Castlevania ReBirth, since it was cheap to do, they did a lot of new things to it.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 27, 2013, 04:42:07 PM
Of course it can.
Less money = less people to work with 3D assets = more reused assets. Developers work on with the limits they have.

LoI and CoD, even on the PS2, couldn't be considered blockbusters on the PS2, AT ALL. The PS2 blockbusters were GoW, DmC, FF, KH, etc... Castlevania was nowhere near these.

It's obvious that LoS was the first time Konami tried to make CV a blockbuster. With IGA, the probably only wanted to make something that would give them easy money, like the 2D games.



I don't feel this maybe with Cod but Loi really did feel like a legit try at a 3d vania and I think that graphically it surpassed DmC in some ways. DmC to me had great locals but very dull dark(I tried to make it more bright but it's just dark like dang) colors. Loi just the opposite great colors gothic yet, bright and the only thing that held the game back from it's full potential is the level design gameplay wise I think it's better than DmC,GoW,onimusha, and other action games it was fast quick the orb system worked really well the combos were great. So I think that konami did give the team a chance with loi but afterwards no go. Was Loi ever a greatest hit?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on August 27, 2013, 06:50:16 PM
I don't feel this maybe with Cod but Loi really did feel like a legit try at a 3d vania and I think that graphically it surpassed DmC in some ways. DmC to me had great locals but very dull dark(I tried to make it more bright but it's just dark like dang) colors. Loi just the opposite great colors gothic yet, bright and the only thing that held the game back from it's full potential is the level design gameplay wise I think it's better than DmC,GoW,onimusha, and other action games it was fast quick the orb system worked really well the combos were great. So I think that konami did give the team a chance with loi but afterwards no go. Was Loi ever a greatest hit?

DMC1 aged rather horribly IMO, graphics were nothing impressing (even in upscale), gameplay is pretty sluggish and controls are atrocious, they should have remade this and 2 with the DMC3 engine when they did their HD release
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on August 27, 2013, 07:01:09 PM
Interesting, so MS is a confinancer of LoS, Konami is so cheap it infuriates me.

They need to save the money for all that cocaine and laundering counterfeit money with Snake's face on it.

Konami actually has a bunch of other stuff they do besides video games, which may explain why they feel like they can let so much crap slide.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 27, 2013, 08:11:56 PM
They need to save the money for all that cocaine and laundering counterfeit money with Snake's face on it.

Konami actually has a bunch of other stuff they do besides video games, which may explain why they feel like they can let so much crap slide.
Yet they finance stuff like NeverDead, Dance Dance Revolution and.. that thing that spawned Kokoro Belmondo.
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Post by: Maedhros on August 27, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Yet they finance stuff like NeverDead, Dance Dance Revolution and.. that thing that spawned Kokoro Belmondo.
What's the problem with Dance Dance Revolution?
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Post by: Briraka on August 27, 2013, 08:50:17 PM
and.. that thing that spawned Kokoro Belmondo.
Pray tell, what was the thing that Kokoro came from?

Also, what's wrong with Kokoro? I think she looks ADORABLE based on what I've seen of her.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 27, 2013, 08:53:39 PM
Its Otomedius and I dont see anything wrong with it or Dance Dance Revolution.
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Post by: Munchy on August 27, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
Yet they finance stuff like NeverDead, Dance Dance Revolution and.. that thing that spawned Kokoro Belmondo.

Man, I was SO sad NeverDead didn't turn out better. And that they didn't keep Bryce a stupid unfunny jerk like in the first reveal vids. Game could have been so insane...
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Post by: Pfil on August 27, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
My support here to Otomedius and Kokoro Belmondo, but not to Konami who never wants to spend enough money on Castlevania.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 27, 2013, 10:29:03 PM
Man, I was SO sad NeverDead didn't turn out better. And that they didn't keep Bryce a stupid unfunny jerk like in the first reveal vids. Game could have been so insane...
Absolutely, NeverDead is a great idea on paper, I was excited too.

And Kokoro can die in a fire, okplxsthx

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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 27, 2013, 11:18:01 PM
Aha: Those are bloomers.

I don't know why some people are hatin' on Bemani games, they are awesome!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bemani_series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bemani_series)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Puritan on August 28, 2013, 06:49:06 AM
Its Otomedius and I dont see anything wrong with it or Dance Dance Revolution.

Hear hear. Kokoro (and really, Otomedius in general) wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Think Kid Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on August 28, 2013, 07:49:11 AM
Quote
Was Loi ever a greatest hit?

The only thing LoI has get, was a re release version called Castlevania: Lament of Innocence (Konami Palace Selection).
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 28, 2013, 11:47:24 AM
Konami Palace Selection...? Funny name if you ask me xD
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 28, 2013, 01:10:45 PM
Maybe is Konami ''Royal'' Selection
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on August 28, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
And Kokoro can die in a fire, okplxsthx
Yes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 28, 2013, 02:46:02 PM
If you all dislike Kokoro like that, send her for me :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on August 28, 2013, 05:22:56 PM
Yet they finance stuff like NeverDead, Dance Dance Revolution and.. that thing that spawned Kokoro Belmondo.

Kokoro is awesome I know she would be a tsundere I feel it in my gut.Also Esmeralda was well revealing.

If you all dislike Kokoro like that, send her for me :P

nah I will ask for little miss tsundere but she will probably whip me to kingdom come you can get Gesshi hanafuuma instead :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 28, 2013, 09:13:06 PM
No no, I've asked first xD
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 28, 2013, 10:08:50 PM
Well, if Lely asked first for Kokoro, if no one likes Charlotte and Juste send them to me, I might have some ideas for them (not exactly what everyone's thinking).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 29, 2013, 03:12:30 AM
This has turned into a thread full of character requests.  :D

Yo, Pfil, I'm also interested in Juste.  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 29, 2013, 03:40:44 AM
Actually the one Belmont I never liked was Juste. His design it reeks of Alucard clone and not a Belmont  :( . I mean what is with the white hair.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on August 29, 2013, 05:24:08 AM
Poor Juste. He never seems to gather as much enthusiasm as the other Belmonts do.
His game was one of the less appealing titles from the GBA/DS era; his sprite is rather lackluster; he's never actually defeated Dracula. Yet just look at a few of Kojima's portraits and your interest will be revitalized. And he does have an acute sense of style...
He used to be one of my favorite Belmonts, until Julius came along...

I certainly wish MercurySteam would have stuck with the timeline and included Julius in LoS2... That was the logical choice, and I had expected to see 1999. Yet they had to bring back Victor, from Resurrection? His game was cancelled, after all...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 29, 2013, 05:34:38 AM
I certainly wish MercurySteam would have stuck with the timeline and included Julius in LoS2... That was the logical choice, and I had expected to see 1999. Yet they had to bring back Victor, from Resurrection? His game was cancelled, after all...

I, on the other hand, am glad that MercurySteam did not touch Julius.
Give Victor a chance to shine. He must have been suffering "cancelled game syndrome" for so long.  :P
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 29, 2013, 05:39:23 AM
Meh. He still looks like a vampire or half vampire in his picture and I like Kojima drawings. When I picture Belmont, he doesn't come to mind. The funny thing is that I like Harmony of Dissonance despite it being a derivative.

Also I agree I am glad they revived Victor and not Julius. We can finally get a different type of Belmont :D we haven't seen before.
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Post by: Koutei on August 29, 2013, 06:36:32 AM
The Art of Castlevania - Lords of Shadow
Hardcover, 192 pages – February 4, 2014
http://www.amazon.com/Art-Castlevania-Lords-Shadow/dp/1781168954 (http://www.amazon.com/Art-Castlevania-Lords-Shadow/dp/1781168954)
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 29, 2013, 07:01:01 AM
Buying that. Totally!  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 29, 2013, 08:31:52 AM
The art in the bestiary in LOS was great I hope it's included in the book. The artist is named Jorge Benedito
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DoctaMario on August 29, 2013, 10:59:37 AM
Poor Juste. He never seems to gather as much enthusiasm as the other Belmonts do.
His game was one of the less appealing titles from the GBA/DS era; his sprite is rather lackluster; he's never actually defeated Dracula. Yet just look at a few of Kojima's portraits and your interest will be revitalized. And he does have an acute sense of style...
He used to be one of my favorite Belmonts, until Julius came along...

I certainly wish MercurySteam would have stuck with the timeline and included Julius in LoS2... That was the logical choice, and I had expected to see 1999. Yet they had to bring back Victor, from Resurrection? His game was cancelled, after all...

I liked HoD a lot more once I stopped comparing it to SoTN. In a way, it's almost like Silent Hill what with the A castle being the normal world and the B castle being this horrific twisted reflection of it like the Otherworld in SH. To me that was cool. Juste being a Belmont who uses magic was a cool idea though too. I actually like HoD better than any of the other GBA games.

So Victor is the new Belmont? I haven't been keeping up.  :-X
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 29, 2013, 11:06:51 AM
Its cool that Juste uses magic but the design yeesh. Glad they returned back to the classic belmont design with Julius.

Yep Victor our one eyed bum, assassin creed looking Belmont is the new Belmont :D. I wonder if him and Alucard are allies?
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Post by: Nagumo on August 29, 2013, 11:29:03 AM
Harmony of Dissonance belongs to the crème de la crème of the Castlevania series. Plus, Juste is well designed and an all-round  solid character. I'm shocked some people think otherwise. 
 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on August 29, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
I just think he looks too much like Alucard actually to extent I could picture Robert Belgrade voicing him :P. Also he has no personality whatsoever. That why I feel he is meh. Don't hate him though.

I feel Mercury Stream is more confident with Lord of Shadows 2. Like I don't expect their to be weird ass beast riding for like two stages or three :P. Although I do hope they have some surprises that were in Lord of Shadows like drawing the curtains out to burn the vampires with sunlight or the boss battle with Oldrox where you have to destroy his meals.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 29, 2013, 01:35:12 PM
I like HoD. I agree that Juste looks too much like Alucard (I mentioned in an earlier post that Iga has tried the SotN formula in almost all of his games, and HoD is proof, Castle A and B is Normal and Inverted Castle a la SotN). Having said that I really like the magic functionality of Juste, having been attributed to his Belnades blood which explains that ability. The game is long and he did fight Dracula, at least his specter, but he still is Dracula because he had a second form (amalgamation of the relics Juste and Maxim found). I thought that Juste was too strong because one of his kicks was as strong as a vampire killer hit. A great game anyway.  :)
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Post by: beingthehero on August 29, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
Man, I actually didn't find Juste to be like Alucard at all. Juste was always more angelic in appearance, while Alucard was rockin' the vampire outfit. Plus Juste was straight-up heroic, while Alucard had the angst.

and HoD is proof, Castle A and B is Normal and Inverted Castle a la SotN)

Ehhh, that's a little more debatable. The Inverted Castle was pretty much the second half of SotN with little need to go back to Dracula's Castle, right? But like the good Docta pointed out, in HoD you have to travel between Castle A and Castle B constantly to solve puzzles. What you do in one world affects the other, like shattering a breakable wall in Skeleton Cave A will also destroy a completely unbreakable wall in Skeleton Cave B. PoR followed SotN far more closely, with its latter-half paintings.

I just wish the rest of Castle B differentiated itself as differently as the Skeleton Caves, in which both A and B had completely different level designs. Oh wellllll

Fun Factoid:

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One of Kojima's original sketches for Chronicles Simon has him looking very much like a proto-typical Juste.

Speaking of which...

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Juste was originally conceived as having brown hair.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 29, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
Kojima's faces look al the same so I couldn't distinguish between brown haired Juste or Trevor. And Juste is dislike dnot only for being made to draw Alucardf fans, but because he looks like a douche and acts as a prick. In my headcanon he cheated to get the vampire killer from Maxim so bstarting the Belmont whip corruption.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 29, 2013, 03:48:07 PM
About Juste: a man with a face so beautiful and celestial like that, who has so refined taste in decoration, can't be wrong to me  ;)

About Victor: I still find him to be funny because the original one looked like Tim Curry  :P
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 29, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
Yeah but you see he is so beautiful and celestial he can't be human :P which why I don't think he suits being a belmont. Unlike manly Simon and Julius :D.

A Tim Curry Transvestite Belmont from Transylvania would be pretty awesome!
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Post by: Intersection on August 29, 2013, 04:02:03 PM
Ah, seems I need to clean up the mess I've made for myself.

HoD naturally stands among the best Castlevania's I've played. I've just noticed, from running through blogs, articles, forums, that it generally seems less highly regarded than its contemporaries on the GBA/DS. I may be wrong, of course.

And as for Julius, I am glad MercurySteam has left him alone at this point. Yet Cox has already taken so many liberties with the Castlevania storyline that I couldn't help but find it slightly frustrating that LoS2 couldn't stick to the original timeline.
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Post by: Maedhros on August 29, 2013, 04:09:25 PM
LoS is a reboot, after all.
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 29, 2013, 04:10:54 PM


A Tim Curry Transvestite Belmont from Transylvania would be pretty awesome!

Wha? Wait I just remembered that would not be the first time a transvestite would be in a cv was there not a enemy in Sotn iirc used an ice attack.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 29, 2013, 04:52:08 PM
Wha? Wait I just remembered that would not be the first time a transvestite would be in a cv was there not a enemy in Sotn iirc used an ice attack.
Ah yes. That enemy was called Frozen Half. In the original US release of SotN for PS1, the description was: "new half ice spirit. servant of Galamoth." However, in the US release of SotN found in DXC, the description says that they are transvestite ice spirits or something. Although, with the graphics used in SotN, you can't tell the gender of the frozen half. All you really have is the description for the bestiary in the library. That's it.
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Post by: Flame on August 29, 2013, 05:05:54 PM

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Juste was originally conceived as having brown hair.

Trevor? that you?

props to miss Kojima, but sometimes she had a bad case of sameface...
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 29, 2013, 05:40:08 PM
Trevor? that you?

props to miss Kojima, but sometimes she had a bad case of sameface...

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No way!  :P
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Post by: Flame on August 29, 2013, 05:46:44 PM
HOLY SHIT NOW ITS JULIUS WITHOUT THE PONYTAIL YOU ARE SOME KIND OF WIZARD
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Post by: beingthehero on August 29, 2013, 05:53:51 PM

props to miss Kojima, but sometimes she had a bad case of sameface...

YOU have a bad case of sameface
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 29, 2013, 05:55:49 PM
YOU have a bad case of sameface
I'd be freaked out if he hasn't O.o
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Post by: Flame on August 29, 2013, 06:20:55 PM
YOU have a bad case of sameface
Who are you and how do you know what my face looks like

stalker...
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Post by: Lelygax on August 29, 2013, 09:46:00 PM
In my headcanon he cheated to get the vampire killer from Maxim so bstarting the Belmont whip corruption.

Say as you want, but Maxim isnt even a Belmont to inherit this whip lol
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Post by: Neobelmont on August 30, 2013, 12:46:42 AM
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No way!  :P

 That's  a dirty sanchez yuck  :-X
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 30, 2013, 02:25:44 AM
You guys have been playing around with MS Paint. Hehehe.  :)

About Juste: a man with a face so beautiful and celestial like that, who has so refined taste in decoration, can't be wrong to me  ;)

Yup. I always need someone to arrange the furniture. Hehehehe.
He must have inherited much of the graceful Belnades genes rather than the manly Belmont genes.
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Post by: beingthehero on August 30, 2013, 03:44:32 AM
Who are you and how do you know what my face looks like

stalker...

FINE

You have a bad hypothetical, otherwise unknown case of buttface.

buuuurn
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Post by: Trevorcard on August 30, 2013, 03:46:45 AM
Looks like this topic is going to get derailed with face jokes and musing on whether Juste be hot or not :P till we get some news.
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 30, 2013, 07:13:04 AM
Say as you want, but Maxim isnt even a Belmont to inherit this whip lol
Simon did a tournament. That's where their rivality comes from, Juste "won" the whip from Maxim. But judging for the Maxim mode, Maxim is much stronger than Juste.
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Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 07:43:08 AM
Simon did a tournament. That's where their rivality comes from, Juste "won" the whip from Maxim. But judging for the Maxim mode, Maxim is much stronger than Juste.

Maxim shouldnt win this whip, he isnt a Belmont to use it and so it would be like a toy in his hands. Maxim is strong, but if we count a Juste with all his abilities VS Maxim with all his abilities, Juste wins, thats what the game mechanics shows at least xD
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Post by: Ahasverus on August 30, 2013, 07:48:07 AM
Maxim shouldnt win this whip, he isnt a Belmont to use it and so it would be like a toy in his hands. Maxim is strong, but if we count a Juste with all his abilities VS Maxim with all his abilities, Juste wins, thats what the game mechanics shows at least xD
I don't agree, but maybe i'm biased because I despise Juste with passion.
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Post by: beingthehero on August 30, 2013, 07:56:21 AM
What's wrong with Juste?
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Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 08:32:14 AM
What's wrong with Juste?

Maybe its because he is sexy and have a good taste in decoration while Maxim cant even use normal subweapons? j/k

Or its because Juste is taller?
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Post by: Intersection on August 30, 2013, 08:48:35 AM
But judging for the Maxim mode, Maxim is much stronger than Juste.
Alternate character modes will always make you feel more powerful -- since you've finished the game already, you're generally expected just to breeze through it again with a different set of abilities (there are a few exceptions). But it won't tell you anything about the characters themselves.
For example, I was gagging when I saw Maria defeat Dracula in RoB -- especially during the cutscene that follows. It was just... indescribable.

But in fact, I'm curious how Maxim could be a candidate for the whip in the first place; is he of Belmont blood?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on August 30, 2013, 08:51:13 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure where you got that plot point either, Aha-kun. I think you're confuzzling HoD with CotM, unless this is just your own personal take on the canon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 30, 2013, 08:52:37 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure where you got that plot point either, Aha-kun. I think you're confuzzling HoD with CotM, unless this is just your own personal take on the canon.
I swear that's how I remember it... yeah it's been 10 years since HoD so perhaps my memory is blurry, I apologize :3

Edit: No!! i didn't dreamed it!
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Maxim_Kischine (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Maxim_Kischine)

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Official background: Maxim is said to be a childhood friend and rival of Juste although only the second is true. Maxim never actually met Juste face to face until they were sixteen when they competed for the whip. Maxim wields a unique sword called the Stellar Sword. He departed on a training expedition two years ago, right after Juste inherited the title of Vampire Killer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on August 30, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
Of course. But I was wondering how Kischine could be a candidate to inherit the whip in the first place.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on August 30, 2013, 09:17:32 AM
Edit: No!! i didn't dreamed it!
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Maxim_Kischine (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Maxim_Kischine)

Huh, cool. I never even knew about that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 09:55:01 AM
Source being? I can write right now that they competed for a burrito.

In fact this seems to be a bad edit as shown here:
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14:16, March 30, 2013‎ Reinhart77 (wall | contribs)‎ . . (8,426 bytes) (-9,573)‎ . . (Reverting to an earlier version before Forbidden Library content was added)

When Reinhart77 reverted the article, some fanon come back with it. This "official" backstory wasnt there before this and searching in Google about this doesnt return any relevant results. This doesnt appears in manuals too and IMO doesnt even make sense.

Nagumo deleted this fake info (Revision as of 18:59, October 30, 2012 with the username "Nagumo baby") but the revert undid this clean up.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on August 30, 2013, 10:05:33 AM
Huh, not cool. I take back the knowing that I knew to be unknewn.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on August 30, 2013, 10:11:15 AM
Ah, this is confusing. I'll need to play the game again.
Yet Maxim attempted to resurrect Dracula with the intention of supplanting Juste...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on August 30, 2013, 10:29:49 AM
Yup, it's not true. The wiki suffers a bit from lack of quality checks.

A quick look at the game's script and the manual reveals Maxim felt resentful after Juste inherited the title of Vampire Hunter, which I suppose means he took over the duty of his predecessor. I don't think there was any competing involved, though. Maxim was just jealous.

Also, the two of them and Lydie were childhood friends.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 10:33:23 AM
Ah, this is confusing. I'll need to play the game again.
Yet Maxim attempted to resurrect Dracula with the intention of supplanting Juste...

That part is right, he wanted to defeat Dracula to receive glory AND to help Juste, so he doesnt would need to fight Dracula and could live a normal life.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 30, 2013, 10:34:33 AM
Source being? I can write right now that they competed for a burrito.

In fact this seems to be a bad edit as shown here:
When Reinhart77 reverted the article, some fanon come back with it. This "official" backstory wasnt there before this and searching in Google about this doesnt return any relevant results. This doesnt appears in manuals too and IMO doesnt even make sense.

Nagumo deleted this fake info (Revision as of 18:59, October 30, 2012 with the username "Nagumo baby") but the revert undid this clean up.
Just play the game ok? It's there I remember it too.
Edot: Ok, it might have been the "title" vampire killer.

I found the game dialogue and there is this

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Maxim: You-you're right..but compared to the training we had...this is nothing.
So it can be infered that they both did trained to become the Vampire Killer and Juste won, we don't know if Maxim wuold have inherited the whip, but are not denied that either.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 11:13:21 AM
Just play the game ok? It's there I remember it too.
Edot: Ok, it might have been the "title" vampire killer.

Hey, calm down man, its my fav game and I remember almost every dialogue from it I think, Im only sharing what I remember :P

I found the game dialogue and there is this
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Maxim: You-you're right..but compared to the training we had...this is nothing.
So it can be infered that they both did trained to become the Vampire Killer and Juste won, we don't know if Maxim wuold have inherited the whip, but are not denied that either.

This shows that they trained hard without doubt, also we know that Maxim was jealous. But we dont know anything yet about a competition to know if someone won something. They both became Vampire Killers, but Juste hunts with a whip and Maxim hunts with a sword and ninja skills. That is what I understood.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on August 30, 2013, 11:22:13 AM
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I'm not mad I was telling you to play it and tell me what you got :P you are cool. And yep I was half wrong, as always, IGA stories are more open to interpretation. The competition is effectively a plot point in Circle of the Moon and I was confusing them,  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 11:52:06 AM
Yes, in Circle of the Moon without doubt this happen. :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on August 30, 2013, 01:53:25 PM
Yes, it was Circle of the Moon. Now that's a game I know well -- first CV I'd ever known. I didn't know what it was called at that time; I had its soundtrack ringing in my head for years before I figured out what it was.

Hey, calm down man, its my fav game and I remember almost every dialogue from it I think, Im only sharing what I remember :P

Favorite? Don't get me wrong, I love HoD, but it doesn't seem to me a game I'd put down as a favorite. Take the music, for example: it's rather known for being... lackluster. Maybe Juste's theme was somewhat catchy, but for the rest? I was turning off the sound to avoid hearing Maxim's...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 01:58:25 PM
When you like to play old games, music quality starts to become trivial to decide if a game is good or not (doesnt mistake bad quality with bad music please, I mean bad quality as in old chiptunes). I cant say that these musics are the better ones in the series, but they blend well with the atmosphere from the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on August 30, 2013, 02:01:37 PM
Yes, based on the conversations between Nathan and Hugh, in CotM there was some sort of competition. Basically, Hugh was always better than Nathan and felt entitled to be the successor. This arrogance and entitlement was a form of dark weakness that his father saw. Nathan had no such dark weakness and because of this, was named the successor and received the Hunter Whip.

As for HoD, Juste and Maxim were friends. When Juste was given the title of vampire killer, Maxim said he "felt as if a wall was erected between them". My guess is that Maxim felt that Juste would receive a lot of attention or something and would forget about him. Sort of like when a friend gets famous, they can forget where they came from and ignore their old friends. Despite this, Maxim knew that if was the fate of the Belmont clan to fight Dracula. So, to help his friend, Maxim thought he would find Dracula's physical remains and destroy them in the hope of preventing Dracula from resurrecting during Juste's lifetime. And, that's where things went bad. Those of us who played the game know the rest of the story. It's true what they say: "the road to Hell is paved with 'good' intentions."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on August 30, 2013, 02:04:35 PM
Well, Soshiro Hokkai said he was trying to do an experimental sound for the game from the very beginning. Problem is, I don't think it was very wise when he knew that he'd be using the Gameboy Color synth instead of the normal GBA audio channels. It may have been better if he went with a more traditional Castlevania sound.

But in high quality, it's both strange and great.

castlevania:Hod Chapel Of Dissonance (Arranged Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tODsFtKe1PE#)

Of course, I like HoD's soundtrack the way it is, where it's kind of schizophrenic, kind of depressing. I'm kind of surprised you don't like Maxim's Theme, it's one of my more favorite ones. So damn melancholy. Though the Aqueduct of Dragons' theme was pretty boring, and Clock Tower Casualty is initially pretty catchy but starts to get grating way too fast when the synth starts to shriek like a teenage girl in a horror film.

I think everyone agrees that it just wouldn't be HoD if it didn't have the crazy soundtrack.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on August 30, 2013, 02:45:13 PM
With that I agree: in its own, strange way, the music does a lot for the game's atmosphere. The castle feels bleak, haunted -- in fact, I don't believe I've felt the same way playing any other Castlevania title.
Yet after a while it simply becomes a matter of taste. As a composer myself I like to see music from all angles, and I certainly recognize what it brings to the game. But after many, longer sessions of listening to HoD's sountrack, it seems to sink into a grayed, flat, dulled line -- not something I particularly enjoy with this type of game. And the sound quality certainly didn't help either.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 03:13:04 PM
whether Juste be hot or not :P
I vote for yes  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
When it comes to music sound quality (not bad music, but bad quality fo soundfonts) I have no problem.
Provided I like the composition, chords, arrangements, melodies... I really don't care for a top quality sound. I even have in my computer literally hundreds of tracks downloaded from YouTube with JDownloader, because I couldn't get them anywhere else, and when I listen to them, with their low kbps rate and all, I enjoy them as much as a FLAC, because the feeling of each song doesn't change.
That said, of course I'd like to have all my music collection in FLAC, but that just doesn't exist and I'd need like 100 terabytes for music instead of just 2.

About Juste and Maxim, I always felt that behind this friend mask there was something else going on, though perhaps only in their minds.
But perhaps it's only MY mind...  :P

And what's that about a tournament that Simon won?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 03:29:03 PM
And what's that about a tournament that Simon won?

A fake story woven with fanon. Someone write unofficial material or misunderstandings at CV Wiki and then mixed with Ahasverus mistaking some plot elements from CotM with HoD created this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on August 30, 2013, 03:45:59 PM
Makes me wonder if Simon at his prime could beat Juste or Maxim and don't give me the belmont warlord chromosomes between Simon and Juste. If you were to give Simon all his abilities from his games I think he would kick butt I mean he's all ready stronger than both of them in boss rush. But he's also slow as well I could imagine Maxim playing with him I also could see Simon using fireball techniques and eight way whipping on them. Maybe I'm crazy  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 04:01:35 PM
I always wondered about a tournament where all Castlevania characters compete.
It would be nice to have a game about that... kind of like Judgment but with some coherent story which declares some official winner.
I will contradict myself in my state of anime fanservice fangirl, but for the next Judgment, please, less tits and more stories about champions.
I think that winner must be Julius.

Edit: typing mistake.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 04:03:01 PM
I always wondered about a tournament where all Castlevania characters compete.
It would be nice to have a game about that... kind of like Judgment but with some coherent story which decalres some official winner.
I will contradict myself in my state of anime fanservice fangirl, but for the next Judgment, please, less tits and more stories about champions.
I think that winner must be Julius.

Serio's Castlevania Fighter?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on August 30, 2013, 04:05:32 PM
I always wondered about a tournament where all Castlevania characters compete.
It would be nice to have a game about that... kind of like Judgment but with some coherent story which decalres some official winner.
I will contradict myself in my state of anime fanservice fangirl, but for the next Judgment, please, less tits and more stories about champions.
I think that winner must be Julius.

In his prime right? make it a 2d fighting game at that.

Edit

Serio's Castlevania Fighter?

The Simpsons - Dohs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khSIYmTzt6U#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 04:12:59 PM
Serio's Castlevania Fighter?
I used to play Serio's game for some weeks, but I could never beat it.
I kind of suck at fighting games.

Does it have a story where only one character is the champion?
I mean, not like when you beat the game with a character and that character is the champion. I mean like in Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter and other fighting games, where there's some official story from the company which states who is the official champion.

Maybe some user expert in fighting games can add some light to this, I don't know much about that genre.

Anyway, I mean an official game. I know Konami doesn't care about Castlevania and that recently fan games are better than official ones (Lecarde Chronicles, anyone?).
But it would be nice from time to time to receive some feedback from Konami, like when they gave us Rebirth.

In his prime right? make it a 2d fighting game at that.
Yes, I still want to see Julius in his most powerful time, kicking everyone's ass and being all powerful, kind of like when Trunks appeared in Dragon Ball Z and cut the allmighty Freeza in a million pieces.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on August 30, 2013, 04:18:45 PM
ITT: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 30, 2013, 05:26:26 PM
Does it have a story where only one character is the champion?
I mean, not like when you beat the game with a character and that character is the champion. I mean like in Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter and other fighting games, where there's some official story from the company which states who is the official champion.

No, because companies tend to usually do that after they have launched the next game, so in this case its kinda hard to decide. Also they are implementing the story yet, but they already have the system done I think.

For Judgement, you can think that Aeon won and it will still make perfect sense lol


Yes, I still want to see Julius in his most powerful time, kicking everyone's ass and being all powerful,m kind of like when Trunks appeared in Dragon Ball Z and cut the allmighty Freeza in a million pieces.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fzc80Y0I.png&hash=243ca698167df549f08b64fd8b3b4a93)

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Yeah you're right, but since I've started editing this before your post, I couldnt let it gonna to waste right?
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Post by: Maedhros on August 30, 2013, 06:59:17 PM
Don't mind me, I'm just being an ass

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc09.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Fi%2F2013%2F068%2Fb%2Fd%2Fgod_hates_fun_by_brotoad-d5xia53.png&hash=71492b1fa846bd8270611525e20de021)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jestercolony on August 30, 2013, 07:13:43 PM
Castlevania - Bloody Tears Acapella (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AFqYeXKK3I#)


I win the internet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on August 30, 2013, 07:45:18 PM
Exactly like that.
Julius vs. Freeza.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on August 30, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
ITT: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel

This just in: Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 has been reworked into a crossover fighting game with DBZ.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on August 30, 2013, 10:35:27 PM
What the heck, I come back to 6-7 new pages of off topic bullshit?

smh Dungeon...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on August 31, 2013, 12:24:42 AM
Alright, let's return to the main topic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 31, 2013, 07:20:23 AM
As much as I enjoyed reading the derailment...

We have a dearth of news...

Oh wait, Konami has a twitter contest giving away 10 "CVLoS 1 - Ultimate Edition" Steam Codes daily. Just go to their twitter page for details.

-end of news feed-
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 31, 2013, 04:15:35 PM
Someone said that there's another surprise on LOS2 maybe regarding the Belmont Clan. I think that they will bring Sonia as well, maybe they will be ''resurrecting'' characters. Hope so
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on August 31, 2013, 04:28:18 PM
Yeah, I've already mentioned it too, it makes more sense to bring these 2 characters than only 1, even more because Cox mentioned that he liked Sonia, but instead added Victor in this trailer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on September 01, 2013, 08:09:47 AM
It is a possibility. It could be a Belmont hunting Gabriel in the present (Victor) and will see another Belmont hunting him during the castle siege timeline.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 01, 2013, 11:15:10 AM
Wow, it was a long time since I knew something before other so I could share, here it is:

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 – 60% of the game set in the city, 40% in Dracula’s castle; game length

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 is set in two main locations. Players will venture through a new modern-day setting, which encompasses roughly 60 percent of the game. The other 40 percent takes place in Dracula’s castle.

Producer David Cox told VideoGamer:

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“The game takes place about 60 per cent in the city and about 40 per cent in the castle, and you can go between the city and the castle at will [once you reach] a certain stage of the game. As the world opens you have the freedom to go back forth to both. The whole game takes place in one night, the night that Satan is coming back. So playing in this gothic fantasy city, you can imagine, we’ve got rain, we’ve got different weather effects, it still has that [Castlevania] feeling. We didn’t want to make it Gotham City and we didn’t want to put Dracula in the middle of Times Square. We thought that would be ridiculous.”

Cox also commented on Lords of Shadow 2′s length. It’ll be about as long as the original, though there will be “more reasons to explore” because of the game’s structure.

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“I think it’s a really interesting take on the Castlevania universe. If you keep an open-mind and you expect the unexpected I think you can enjoy the game. I think if you [approach with a] closed mind and you say, ‘Oh, it’s not 2D, it’s not Metroidvania’, you’re not going to enjoy the game. If you go into it with an open mind I think we could surprise you. I think it’s the surprise that players will really enjoy.”

Source: http://gamingeverything.com/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-60-of-the-game-set-in-the-city-40-in-draculas-castle-game-length/ (http://gamingeverything.com/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-60-of-the-game-set-in-the-city-40-in-draculas-castle-game-length/)
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 01, 2013, 12:32:10 PM
Interesting. Although, the fact that the castle is only 40% of the game is a little disappointing. I mean if the split was more like 65% castle and 35% city, that might be more appealing. Regardless, I will try and keep an open mind.

(I still don't trust anything Cox says)
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 01, 2013, 12:36:40 PM
Actually I am happy about the ratio. I feel that we seen so many Castles in all the other castlevania and we are going to see a good amount in this game. But I am excited for this Castlevaniaish City.  ;D
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Post by: Maedhros on September 01, 2013, 01:02:58 PM
60/40 is the amount of many older Castlevania games. SC4, CVIII, Rondo... all these games are mostly played outside the Castle.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 01, 2013, 03:19:19 PM
Good point. Most of the old classicvanias spent most of the game with the journey to the castle itself. I had forgotten about that. I guess I'm still used to the metriodvania formula in which you are stuck inside the castle the whole game.

I just hope that the castle is nice and big with lots of different areas. Hopefully, there will be some classic areas from past games like a clock tower, chapel, keep, dungeon, etc.
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Post by: Pfil on September 01, 2013, 05:58:33 PM
The problem with the original LoD wasn't that most of the game was spent outside the castle, but that the journey itself resembled little to Castlevania to many fans, myself included. I'm always inclined to wish more time outside the castle, but always in a Transylvanian haunting baroque look.
I'm not saying that will be the case here, though. I won't know until I play it.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on September 01, 2013, 07:08:25 PM
The problem with the original LoD wasn't that most of the game was spent outside the castle, but that the journey itself resembled little to Castlevania to many fans, myself included. I'm always inclined to wish more time outside the castle, but always in a Transylvanian haunting baroque look.
I'm not saying that will be the case here, though. I won't know until I play it.
Legacy of Darkness? Just the Foggy Lake and the Silent Forest are outside of the castle the rest are inner stages, some zones like Villa were asimilated when Castlevania emerged. As i see it in SCIV as soon as you pass the bridge gate at the begining of the game you are inside the castle... Different from Simon`s Quest where 99% of the game it`s outside and you just need to go inside of the castle`s ruins to kill Dracula at the end of the game.
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Post by: e105beta on September 01, 2013, 08:22:54 PM
Legacy of Darkness? Just the Foggy Lake and the Silent Forest are outside of the castle the rest are inner stages, some zones like Villa were asimilated when Castlevania emerged. As i see it in SCIV as soon as you pass the bridge gate at the begining of the game you are inside the castle... Different from Simon`s Quest where 99% of the game it`s outside and you just need to go inside of the castle`s ruins to kill Dracula at the end of the game.

Seeing that S is adjacent to D on the keyboard, I'm assuming Pfil meant LoS.

The problem with the original LoD wasn't that most of the game was spent outside the castle, but that the journey itself resembled little to Castlevania to many fans, myself included. I'm always inclined to wish more time outside the castle, but always in a Transylvanian haunting baroque look.
I'm not saying that will be the case here, though. I won't know until I play it.

Now whether you believe the developers or not, supposedly (I think it was Enrique that said it) the not Castlevania-ness has to do with the fact that they wanted to show the world as it was before Dracula came to power. I think it's a suitable explanation, as why would the land look like it does under Dracula's influence before the great vampire lord even came to be? Though it could just as easily be said that LoI circumvented the issue by setting up Walter Bernhard as a faux-Draucula figure that ultimately served the same purpose.

But personally, I thought the game DID mostly look Castlevania, though perhaps not as dark, which was probably intentional. The Abbey and the Castle were pretty staple, the Baba Yaga village was suitably dark and dreary, and hell, Agharta even gave me plenty of Rondo/Bloodlines vibes, though I can definitely see why it offended a lot of people's senses. Agharta also needed to be a lot shorter.

In fact, the part of the game that felt the least Castlevania to me was the Land of the Dead. That just felt like stereotypical, fantasy game unearthly wasteland.
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Post by: Flame on September 02, 2013, 06:37:53 PM
I can agree with Agharta dragging on a bit.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 02, 2013, 07:57:24 PM
Agartha sucks. =/
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Post by: beingthehero on September 02, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
I liked a few parts of Agartha, mostly at the very beginning. But by the time I had to fight the black knight, I was more than ready to get out of the place. And that was only the half-way point for that area...

Also the Waterfalls of Agartha was used waaaaaay too much in the game. First time I heard it, I really liked it. By the time I was hearing it in Castle Bernhardt, it was almost comical. And then I was still hearing it in the land of the dead.
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Post by: Pfil on September 02, 2013, 10:02:10 PM
Stupid me, always typing in a rush.
I mean LoS, yes. But that's my personal perception. It was related to the previous comment.

This one...
Good point. Most of the old classicvanias spent most of the game with the journey to the castle itself. I had forgotten about that. I guess I'm still used to the metriodvania formula in which you are stuck inside the castle the whole game.

I just hope that the castle is nice and big with lots of different areas. Hopefully, there will be some classic areas from past games like a clock tower, chapel, keep, dungeon, etc.

What I DID like about the original LoS are some gothic castle areas, like the clock tower and the library, some characters like Gabriel, Zobek and Laura, the voice acting (though the long voices-off were tedious, the voices were beautiful), the general story and the DLC, both of them, especially Reverie. That was the most Castlevania moment for me. And the ending, it was nice.
I wished the music would have been different, and maybe I'd like more about the game. That was the one aspect that killed it personally.
And so that I am saying what I liked about LoS, I'll say what I liked about MoF: some backgrounds and stage designs, the ability to swim (though I don't really care), Trevor's design, voice acting and the general story.
And special mention to LoS' fairies. Especially in the manual (yes, I own it... I try to own everything CV related when I can afford it). It's impossible I dislike a fairy  :)

And please make a screeshot about this, because Pfil saying what she liked about the MS games is indeed a dodo bird in the Dungeon :P

Edit: inserted original comment related to my previous one.
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Post by: Munchy on September 02, 2013, 11:13:52 PM
Agartha sucks. =/

Replaying from scratch on the steam version, Agharta mostly sucks because the game feels like you need game-stopping tutorial text EVERY THIRTY SECONDS AARRRGH. Other than that I like how it looks.

But personally, I thought the game DID mostly look Castlevania, though perhaps not as dark, which was probably intentional. The Abbey and the Castle were pretty staple, the Baba Yaga village was suitably dark and dreary, and hell, Agharta even gave me plenty of Rondo/Bloodlines vibes, though I can definitely see why it offended a lot of people's senses. Agharta also needed to be a lot shorter.

In fact, the part of the game that felt the least Castlevania to me was the Land of the Dead. That just felt like stereotypical, fantasy game unearthly wasteland.

Agree on all counts, especially on the Land of the Dead. How did Gabriel get on Mars? Unless LoS is canonically linked to DooM.
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Post by: Pfil on September 02, 2013, 11:32:09 PM
Even considering I didn't enjoy the game very much, Land of the Dead was BY FAR the most boring part. Actually, it's one of the most boring and out of place stages I've seen in a game, and it seemed to last forever.
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Post by: Ofthenight on September 02, 2013, 11:40:52 PM
So hard to stay dark and not read about this game!
Title: Gotham City in Lords of Shadow 2
Post by: Pfil on September 03, 2013, 12:06:11 AM
Or maybe not.

According to this new interview published by spanish site 3DJuegos, Cox said this:

“All the adventure happens in one single night; the night when Satan has returned. So this gothic fantasy city, as you can imagine, will have rain, different weather effects and everything that characterizes Castlevania. We didn't want to make Gotham City and put Dracula right in Times Square. We thought that would turn out to be ridicule”.

And if we learned something all these years, is that when Cox says something isn't, it's because it really is.
Or not.

Original article > http://www.3djuegos.com/noticia/136506/2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/nuevos-detalles-argumento/ (http://www.3djuegos.com/noticia/136506/2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/nuevos-detalles-argumento/)
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Post by: Nagumo on September 03, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
Topics merged.  :)
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 03, 2013, 09:23:35 AM
Agree on all counts, especially on the Land of the Dead. How did Gabriel get on Mars? Unless LoS is canonically linked to DooM.

Mars?  Looks like Saturn (according to Beetlejuice). xD
Saturn's Sandworms OccultScience Trib. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnmQSCE8T5I#ws)
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 03, 2013, 09:34:53 AM
Land of Death was definitely the weakest area in the game but there was some cool stuff in the level. Loved the eclipse puzzles, the boss fights with guy in hell furnace and pan as well as fights with the reapers. Also there was much more platforming that you actually had to jump even though they were hit and miss. Also the guy who voices the reaper in Lord of Shadow and Mirror of Fate was pretty cool. Hope he appears in Lord of Shadow 2 he has a great voice :D.

By the way you guys I have a feeling that the Chupacabra will be working with Dracula. Maybe as a summon like the fairies?
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Post by: Flame on September 03, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
Im more inclined to think the Chupacabras will be for certain segments in the game, as a gimmick. or maybe just as a story element wth no gameplay relevance, who knows.
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 03, 2013, 03:50:28 PM
If not, I am hoping you can summon something like the fairies that was a cool mechanic. It would be cool if there was a innocent devil like creature you could summon.
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Post by: Pfil on September 03, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
I'm all for fairies, always.
On the other hand, the chupacabras (and the hunchbacks) are BY FAR the ugliest thing a Castlevania has had.

I hope they onclude fairies that follow you all the time like in CoD. Every time I remember CoD the first thing that comes to my head is the fairies, and I named her Pfil  :)

I'm making a new topic about this!  ;D
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 03, 2013, 04:19:40 PM
But they should be ugly :P they are midget monsters. I liked the hunchbacks I think they were good modern take on the classic Hoppers. I don't think Dracula is going to have fairies though :P.

I do think Fairies and the holy water were my favorite weapons in Lord of Shadows. The fairies suicide bombing was pretty weird hope it was worth it!
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Post by: Pfil on September 03, 2013, 05:00:36 PM
I liked the original hunchback sprites, but the moment you turn something into realistic 3D you have to make some adjustments in order to make them more appealing to the eyes, especially in something so related to beauty as Castlevania. I don't say they must be pretty, but there's a limit, at least personally, and those enemies (and Baba Yaga) crossed that line for me. I have no problem with the rest of redesigns, though. However, I still prefer the old ones.

I felt the fairies were a missed oportunity in LoS, I expected something more like in CoD, where you see your fairy following you all the time.
But yes, the fairies attack was cool. Everything fairy-related is cool!  :)
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 03, 2013, 05:06:25 PM
I don't know I thought the use of Fairies as sub weapons was pretty cool and something not seen before.

I don't know :P I think Castlevana has had grotesque things before I mean what about Beelzebub in Symphony of night.  I could understand why you may feel like that they were super ugly.

Man the innocent devil system in Curse of Darkness was pretty cool. Wish it would be implemented again in future castlevania games, too bad the rest of the game was so bland for me.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 03, 2013, 05:36:28 PM
What about a remake of the most remarkable CV games? How about a PS4 version of Dracula's Curse, Lament of innocence, Rondo of Blood, SotN, etc. improving gameplay and giving more strength to the story with better dialogues (not saying that were bad, just some times silly). I say this because I really like LOS approach on their story, not saying that remakes should follow that style, but I think that Castlevania is a franchise worthy of great story-telling, a best seller if there were books. It has great potential. The game that really could be improved is Curse of Darkness. I think that CoD has good gameplay (with Hector, hate it with Trevor), but level design was not good IMO. It would rock that CVIII could be an open world game and you must find Sypha, Alucard and Grant. I don't know, it just ocurred to me :)
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Post by: Maedhros on September 03, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
What about a remake of the most remarkable CV games? How about a PS4 version of Dracula's Curse, Lament of innocence, Rondo of Blood, SotN, etc. improving gameplay and giving more strength to the story with better dialogues (not saying that were bad, just some times silly). I say this because I really like LOS approach on their story, not saying that remakes should follow that style, but I think that Castlevania is a franchise worthy of great story-telling, a best seller if there were books. It has great potential. The game that really could be improved is Curse of Darkness. I think that CoD has good gameplay (with Hector, hate it with Trevor), but level design was not good IMO. It would rock that CVIII could be an open world game and you must find Sypha, Alucard and Grant. I don't know, it just ocurred to me :)
These games would be relegated for a downloadable only title. No one wants to pay full price on these type of games anymore these times (of course, outside enthusiats/fans like us).
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Post by: Pfil on September 03, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
I don't know I thought the use of Fairies as sub weapons was pretty cool and something not seen before.

I don't know :P I think Castlevana has had grotesque things before I mean what about Beelzebub in Symphony of night.  I could understand why you may feel like that they were super ugly.

Man the innocent devil system in Curse of Darkness was pretty cool. Wish it would be implemented again in future castlevania games, too bad the rest of the game was so bland for me.
Yeah, it was cool!

Yes, Order of Ecclesia had some super giant head that was so ugly... At its time, it was the ugliest enemy.
On the other hand, I found Legion to be super scary, so I liked... it? him? I don't know what it is.

I enjoyed it on my 2nd playthrough because I wasn't expecting another LoD, so I focused on what the game tried to be. And innocent devils, the beautiful stages and the wonderful soundtrack helped, of course, along with all the extras.

These games would be relegated for a downloadable only title. No one wants to pay full price on these type of games anymore these times (of course, outside enthusiats/fans like us).
We can enjoy those games in HD via emulation, and, judging from other games I compared, most of the time it's better than the official port to HD.
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Post by: Dremn on September 04, 2013, 05:46:51 PM
?@#^Castlevania?@#^Akumajo?@#^Dracula?@#^Ray Sipe;Twerking;Vampire Killer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5t5a5_FFJM#)
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 04, 2013, 06:17:29 PM
WHAT

THE

HELL
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Post by: uzo on September 04, 2013, 06:29:06 PM
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST SEE
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Post by: beingthehero on September 04, 2013, 07:43:23 PM
I love you OSM
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Post by: Maedhros on September 04, 2013, 09:20:04 PM
Wow OSM, you're pretty old.
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Post by: Belmontoya on September 04, 2013, 09:52:31 PM
HAHAHA

I almost woke up my kid I just laughed so hard!
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Post by: Ralph on September 04, 2013, 09:56:52 PM
I think I found my new favorite Castlevania song.
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Post by: The Puritan on September 04, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
Bonus track for LOS2's OST.
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Post by: DoctaMario on September 04, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
HAHAHAHHAAHA holy shit that was insane! xDDD

So that's what IGA's up to these days... ;-P
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Post by: Kingshango on September 04, 2013, 11:02:32 PM
So...that was a thing.
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Post by: Chernabogue on September 05, 2013, 12:46:08 AM
I hope we get an Hollywood orchestra version in LoS2!
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 05, 2013, 05:24:10 AM
I actually requested to Cox to put this as orchestral track today :P doubt he will answer.
I also got a friend of mine to ask two question in spanish to Enrique Alvarez. First on how the exploration will differ from Mirror of Fate he answer it isn't comparable and Lord of Shadow 2 exploration will have different sensation/feelings than Mirror of Fate whatever that means. Second, when asked on whether there will appear Belmonts besides Gabriel and Victor, he said Maybe  ;D
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Post by: Asgardwolf on September 05, 2013, 06:20:24 AM
I actually requested to Cox to put this as orchestral track today :P doubt he will answer.
I also got a friend of mine to ask two question in spanish to Enrique Alvarez. First on how the exploration will differ from Mirror of Fate he answer it isn't comparable and Lord of Shadow 2 exploration will have different sensation/feelings than Mirror of Fate whatever that means. Second, when asked on whether there will appear Belmonts besides Gabriel and Victor, he said Maybe  ;D
He means you can`t compare the exploration in both games coz LOS2 is bigger. They are differet types of games and i guess that`s why he said it will give you a different sensation.
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 05, 2013, 06:29:29 AM
Yeah I thought as much I just wanted a more substantial answer :P. The 2nd answer of Maybe Belmonts gives me hope.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 05, 2013, 09:18:26 AM
The new Belmont has been revealed, so if another Belmont will make an appearance, he will be someone of a previously known name. I strongly think that there are two options, Leon or Richter. Also, there must be (and I think there will be), an explanation of the origin of the ''new'' combat cross Victor wields. If you look at it closely, looks like a modified version of Dark Pain.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on September 05, 2013, 10:46:48 AM
The new Belmont has been revealed, so if another Belmont will make an appearance, he will be someone of a previously known name. I strongly think that there are two options, Leon or Richter. Also, there must be (and I think there will be), an explanation of the origin of the ''new'' combat cross Victor wields. If you look at it closely, looks like a modified version of Dark Pain.
It looks like Gabriel`s Combat Cross to me
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 05, 2013, 11:17:09 AM
Look
http://playerslink.la/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/victor-belmont-2.jpg (http://playerslink.la/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/victor-belmont-2.jpg)
http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/games/mof/images/art/alucard-05.jpg (http://www.castlevaniacrypt.com/games/mof/images/art/alucard-05.jpg)

The circle in the body of the cross, I don't know just saying
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Post by: Nagumo on September 05, 2013, 12:15:19 PM
If they had guts, they would pick Sonia.
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 05, 2013, 03:27:46 PM
If they had guts, they would pick Sonia.

If they had guts, they would pick Kokoro or maybe Sid imagine if that came true  :P
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Post by: Pfil on September 05, 2013, 03:34:14 PM
If they had guts, they would pick Kokoro or maybe Sid imagine if that came true  :P
Kokoro is the exact opposite of everything MS likes to do.
They'd never choose her. Or Charlotte. Or Maria. Or Shanoa.
I don't even think they'd choose Sonia.
Thank God they put Sypha as a housewife and a kind of subweapon.
Thank God we could play a few minutes as Laura.
That's as far as they go.
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 05, 2013, 03:50:15 PM
Kokoro is the exact opposite of everything MS likes to do.
They'd never choose her. Or Charlotte. Or Maria. Or Shanoa.
I don't even think they'd choose Sonia.
Thank God they put Sypha as a housewife and a kind of subweapon.
Thank God we could play a few minutes as Laura.
That's as far as they go.

I would love Kokoro dat hair and tsundereness  :'(
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 05, 2013, 03:58:01 PM
It would blow us away that if ''the extra Belmont'' were Sonia, and if she is identical to Marie. It would kick major ass.
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Post by: beingthehero on September 05, 2013, 04:10:19 PM
If they had guts, they would pick Gutsman.
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 05, 2013, 04:15:25 PM
It would blow us away that if ''the extra Belmont'' were Sonia, and if she is identical to Marie. It would kick major ass.

I must be the only one that does not really care if Sonia is in it or not  :P I don't know but I am having no yay feelings at all.
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Post by: Pfil on September 05, 2013, 04:16:23 PM
It would blow us away that if ''the extra Belmont'' were Sonia, and if she is identical to Marie. It would kick major ass.
Sonia yes, but make her prettier than Marie.

I must be the only one that does not really care if Sonia is in it or not  :P I don't know but I am having no yay feelings at all.
In that case, I hope they have cut.
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 05, 2013, 04:24:53 PM
Sonia yes, but make her prettier than Marie.
In that case, I hope they have cut.

Cut what her hair? I don't know maybe it's because I only find Carmilla and Marie to look really pretty I would not want Sonia to look like an amazon that might snap your c&*k if you looked at her wrong.   I guess I like girls to look well like girls not one of those super weight lifting ones that have muscles on top of muscles or something crazy :P
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Post by: Briraka on September 05, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
If MS did choose Sonia, she'd seal Gabriel away, but sacrifice herself in the process. Because, you know, women must sacrifice themselves so that the men can continue their bullshit because "fate" says so. :P
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Post by: Maedhros on September 05, 2013, 07:00:06 PM
I don't want Sonia if it doesn't makes sense.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 05, 2013, 09:49:14 PM
In that case, I hope they have cut.

Sure, or they will be trapped there forever...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpad2.whstatic.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F3%2F3b%2FGet-to-Pewter-City-in-Pokemon-Silver-Step-12.jpg%2F550px-Get-to-Pewter-City-in-Pokemon-Silver-Step-12.jpg&hash=1ad7431a3d41ded513cb11748ee6f3dc)
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Post by: shelverton. on September 06, 2013, 03:47:36 AM
If Sonia is in it, and she looks like Marie, I can see her being the one who defeats Gabula forevah!

Gabula: "Marie, it that you?"

Sonia: "eh, whaa.. I mean, yes. Yes, it's me, Marie!"

Gabula: "Oh Marie, I'm so sorry I killed you. Naow we can be together!"

Sonia: "Yeah, whatever. Hey, come here so I can give you a big old hug!"

(And then she stabs him with the combat cross in his back while hugging him. The End.)
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Post by: Nagumo on September 06, 2013, 05:08:48 AM
I must be the only one that does not really care if Sonia is in it or not  :P I don't know but I am having no yay feelings at all.

You can say the same about me if they would pick Richter. No offense against him, but he is like the most dullest choice imaginable. :P
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 07:23:06 AM
I think Richter would have made sense only as a Cameo in the Castle Siege Sequence because of Alucard being there. That is strange thing about Castle siege sequence where are the Belmonts? Glad it wasn't Richter as a Modern Belmont that would been weird. I am still wondering how many years between Mirror of Fate is Castle of Siege Sequence. It would be kinda of lame if Dracula only ruled for a hundred years before going into his deep sleep. What type of Dark Lord is that?!!
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 06, 2013, 08:44:30 AM
It would be kinda of lame if Dracula only ruled for a hundred years before going into his deep sleep. What type of Dark Lord is that?!!
One that ruled 99 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 55 minutes more than the one in the old series  :P
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 09:43:23 AM
Touche  ;D . By the way where the hell were Dracula's troops at the Castle Siege? Were they slacking off or did you reduce their numbers drastically in Mirror of Fate :p
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 06, 2013, 09:55:55 AM
Touche  ;D . By the way where the hell were Dracula's troops at the Castle Siege? Were they slacking off or did you reduce their numbers drastically in Mirror of Fate :p
Maybe the economy was bad and he had to lay off a bunch of workers. Just kidding. That is odd though.

Anyway, does anyone think that there will be an epilogue after the ending credits? I ask because when I consider it, I can see an scene that references AoS or DoS. Basically, after Satan is defeated and Gabula finally gets what he wants (to die), the credits roll and after that we get an epilogue where we see a young adult male in the future and we see him turn around when he hears someone shout: "SOMA!"

To be honest, I don't want to see it happen, but if I thought of it, then someone at Konami or MS might have as well.
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 10:05:29 AM
I mean MS could explain it off with the Brotherhood of Light were that good :P . But still where are the bodies? It would been cool to see the bodies of Dracula's fallen troops at the Castle siege. I mean we know he has them from the Gamescom trailer.
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 06, 2013, 10:26:48 AM
You can say the same about me if they would pick Richter. No offense against him, but he is like the most dullest choice imaginable. :P

 
(click to show/hide)
In all seriousness I do not know how they would do the design but I feel my gut could not handle. If she looked like a blonde Marie then maybe I would have no problems. Also I found a what if about los Sonia a long time ago here it is 

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lady-of-Anguish-182850072 (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lady-of-Anguish-182850072)
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 10:52:44 AM
Anyway, does anyone think that there will be an epilogue after the ending credits? I ask because when I consider it, I can see an scene that references AoS or DoS. Basically, after Satan is defeated and Gabula finally gets what he wants (to die), the credits roll and after that we get an epilogue where we see a young adult male in the future and we see him turn around when he hears someone shout: "SOMA!"

To be honest, I don't want to see it happen, but if I thought of it, then someone at Konami or MS might have as well.
My reaction would be: Darth Vader NO! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s#)

In all honesty, I don't want to see Gabriel reincarnate at all especially as a androgynous Japanese man that would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Neobelmont: Not bad design she could be Simon's goth daughter lol. Its interesting but I know Sonia design seems possibly based off Doris lang except she is way more badass fighter having actually killed Dracula in a game.
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 06, 2013, 12:17:17 PM


Neobelmont: Not bad design she could be Simon's goth daughter lol. Its interesting but I know Sonia design seems possibly based off Doris lang except she is way more badass fighter having actually killed Dracula in a game.

I actually would have zero problems with that for some reason. This design works well for me maybe because she kind of reminds me of Minerva from fire emblem just give her a halberd and see what I mean  :P
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 06, 2013, 12:41:09 PM
I don't know :P I think Castlevana has had grotesque things before I mean what about Beelzebub in Symphony of night.  I could understand why you may feel like that they were super ugly.
I think if Castlevania(and it has) ever goes towards that ugly,gross, grotesque route, they shouldn't skimp. Y'know, skinless bodies, flesh and bone constructions, meaty things that ooze blood and pus. Dammit, I still want to see my idea of a CV area come to life. I always envisioned an area composed of living walls where corpses of the dead are starting to be assimilated into the castle itself, forming a mass of living corridors. The closest we got was a few parts of The Abyss(DoS), the Skeleton Caves(HoD) and the Undead Parasite(LoI). Call it, the Living Catacombs, or the Living Tombs.

Yeah, it was cool!

Yes, Order of Ecclesia had some super giant head that was so ugly... At its time, it was the ugliest enemy.
On the other hand, I found Legion to be super scary, so I liked... it? him? I don't know what it is.
I will always believe that giant demon head was somewhat inspired by Freddy Krueger. His face sometimes looks like him(the expression). The tongue he spits out reminds me of Freddy in New Nightmare.

My reaction would be: Darth Vader NO! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s#)Neobelmont: Not bad design she could be Simon's goth daughter lol. Its interesting but I know Sonia design seems possibly based off Doris lang except she is way more badass fighter having actually killed Dracula in a game.
To be fair, Doris Lang wasn't a vampire hunter. I think she was just a werewolf hunter(like her father). Though, in VHD's world, vampires were the lords of monsters(the nobility), and only a selected few were actually skilled enough to take them down.  :)
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Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
Sure, or they will be trapped there forever...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpad2.whstatic.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F3%2F3b%2FGet-to-Pewter-City-in-Pokemon-Silver-Step-12.jpg%2F550px-Get-to-Pewter-City-in-Pokemon-Silver-Step-12.jpg&hash=1ad7431a3d41ded513cb11748ee6f3dc)
Haha!

Cut what her hair? I don't know maybe it's because I only find Carmilla and Marie to look really pretty I would not want Sonia to look like an amazon that might snap your c&*k if you looked at her wrong.   I guess I like girls to look well like girls not one of those super weight lifting ones that have muscles on top of muscles or something crazy :P
Me too, I like girly girls.

This was the joke...

If they had guts, they would pick Gutsman.
That's why I said "In that case, I hope they have cut"  :P

Cutman. The Cutman theme. I love it  :)
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 02:54:36 PM
DragonSlayr81: She isn't really much of Werewolf hunter either given the first scene. Watching the movie recently it was pretty clear she was there for pervy lols as she is pretty useless throughout the movie. So I see Sonia as the version of Doris Lang we should have got in Vampire Hunter D which is why Bloodlust is much much better film.

You know I wouldn't mind a version of Sonia Belmont who had cruder manners. Someone who could hang out with the most cut throat mercenaries. I am kind of sick of MS dour ladies. You know what Lord of Shadows 2 needs levity of LOS. Mirror of Fate was pretty dark and depressing only a few Simon scenes added some hilarity.

You guys think we will get any new footage and news at the upcoming Tokyo games?
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Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
You mean someone like her? (Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones)
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 03:13:39 PM
YES! Except a bit more prettier and less serious, more of trash talker. That would be a interesting interpretation of Sonia!
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Post by: Melanicus on September 06, 2013, 03:20:20 PM
One that ruled 99 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 55 minutes more than the one in the old series  :P

 ;D
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Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 03:26:22 PM
YES! Except a bit more prettier and less serious, more of trash talker. That would be a interesting interpretation of Sonia!
I never thought from that perspective, and now that I think it... YES!  ;D
Brienne kicks ass in Game of Thrones! I love her!
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 03:34:45 PM
Yep I love her too one of the few character in game of thrones that are good hearted and badass in the series. Also she is one of the more realistic female characters on the show in a medieval setting :D .
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Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 03:46:37 PM
In terms of warriors, yes, that's how real female warriors must have been.
There's some other female medieval types that I find accurate in Game of Thrones.
But yes, she is one of my favourite characters exactly because of that: she has a good hearts and kicks ass!
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 04:04:50 PM
Well in Medieval setting in Game of thrones since I am a history major you have two types.
Shadow Rulers: Ceresi and Margery
Female Medieval Warriors: Brienne.
I was referring to Daenerys but her story and arc makes me as a historian wants to pull out my hair as well as me hating the character :P but that is another conversation.
And Yep agree a good heart and she kicks ass. Made Jamie think twice of attacking her!

But yeah I actually would say I am 60-70% sure we are going to have appearance of Sonia in the game given that Cox mentioned liking her and her being a candidate for Mirror of Fate and the fact that Victor is in the game. I doubt she will have a super large role but a flashback sequence with her would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 06, 2013, 04:18:23 PM
Brienne also made Jamie care for someone for the first time in the show.
I hate Cersei! But the one I really hate is that spoiled brat good for nothing who thinks he rules the world, that stupid little baby tater Joffrey.
Margery is kind of neutral, I'm still waiting to see what's her fate.
I like Aria. I feel sorry for Sansa.
I like Tyrion, Tywin, and I'm still waiting to see Stannis display his full power... so far, he's just talk, but he's got potential to be very powerful.
I also like Sandor Clegane, and Theon is another character I despise. And I liked Cathelyn and Robb, but you know...
I find it interesting what you said about Daenerys, also. I am looking forward to the day she comes and burns Joffrey and Cersei to the ground, but I don't know if that will ever happen. Please expand on that without spoiling me the 4th season, since I'm watching the series but I'm not familiar with the books  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 04:33:04 PM
Daeneyers problems is that she functions as female conqueror in a medieval setting. Granted she wields dragons but a person of her type doesn't seem to fit in medieval setting. In actuality a female conqueror were more prevalent in B.C era such as the Queen of the tribes who defeated Cyrus of the Persian Empire. Secondly, the fact that she is admittedly a Caucasian conquering a bunch of brown people and civilizing them.

 The shows and books seems to show the people of eastern regions of barbaric makes her story arc infuriating for me as a historian and makes me uncomfortable. Third of all, her self entitled attitude of her keep referring herself as Mother of Dragons and as rightful ruler of Westeros when she hasn't even sit foot on Westros and has no knowledge of region makes her an arrogant megalomanic. The show and in the book may depict her as a sort of Abraham Lincoln esque figure of freeing the slaves but the way she does makes it only a policy of a larger goal of forming empire in order to conquer more lands. I think the altruism she displays makes her true goal of being tyrannical empress. At least that what I think. I just think it is her dragons giving her powers and not her skills as a leader. I think if she took over Westros it would be a disaster.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 06, 2013, 07:46:57 PM
^You must be fun at parties...
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Post by: Belmontoya on September 06, 2013, 08:05:12 PM
hahaha  :P
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 06, 2013, 09:19:18 PM
Maedhros: LOL I was asked about it and I got carried away :P. It could been summed I can't stand freakin Daeneyers hope her Dragons eat her.

I wonder if we are going to get Dragon boss battles in Lord of Shadow 2 or if we fight a dragon as a dragon that would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 06, 2013, 11:27:00 PM
I predict... you'll fight some enemy soldiers as a dragon via QTE. Then that's it. No more dragon form.
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Post by: Pfil on September 07, 2013, 01:25:55 AM
@Trevorcard: I see. It's an interesting approach. Very different for me, since I don't know a lot of history. I've been told many times that with my overanalysis on music I ruin it. It must be the same for you with history. I understand you, you just can't help it.
I'm sorry, I really laughed with Maedhros comment! It was so funny, I imagined condescending Willy Wonka saying it!

But in the first season, all I could think of everytime I saw Daenerys with Kahl Drohgo was "I want to be in the middle!"

PS: Don't panic, those are my usual jokes!  :P

Edit: typing mistake.
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 07, 2013, 03:07:32 AM
Pfil: LOL no worries the comment was actually funny  ;D .
Shiroi Koumouri: Well in a article Destructoid they say that their are items you need to collect to a Dragon. Which it could mean that Dragon forms function the same as Purple crystal. Hopefully it is not case and you could control the Dragon when you transform.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 07, 2013, 03:46:15 AM
We will play as a dragon in LoS 2? Like in Lair for PS3?
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 07, 2013, 03:55:06 AM
Hopefully with better controls. Lair's controls were pretty broken!
Seriously if they program a playable dragon it will be difficult to play in a tight space unless they do it in property. Maybe more like Spyro :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 07, 2013, 04:07:33 AM
I just tried Lair for like 1 hour and the game didn't convince me.
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Post by: Bergaron on September 09, 2013, 12:19:11 PM
Nice image web...

http://www.gameblog.fr/blogs/wandanoorchestra/p_95234_castlevania-los-ultimate-280-screenshots-en-3k-3200x1800p (http://www.gameblog.fr/blogs/wandanoorchestra/p_95234_castlevania-los-ultimate-280-screenshots-en-3k-3200x1800p)

Some of the best:

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Lelygax on September 09, 2013, 12:49:09 PM
Nice image web...

http://www.gameblog.fr/blogs/wandanoorchestra/p_95234_castlevania-los-ultimate-280-screenshots-en-3k-3200x1800p (http://www.gameblog.fr/blogs/wandanoorchestra/p_95234_castlevania-los-ultimate-280-screenshots-en-3k-3200x1800p)

Some of the best:

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Wow they are really great, you should post it in the LOS Ultimate for PC too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on September 09, 2013, 01:15:52 PM
Damm i put it in the wrong post x :P
my fault
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Post by: Lelygax on September 09, 2013, 01:25:22 PM
Damm i put it in the wrong post x :P
my fault

Haha, no harm done here, you can still post in the another one if you want. We dont have many news in this thread anyways, so even if its from LoS1 you've helped.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Koutei on September 10, 2013, 12:11:18 AM
Akumajo Dracula Lords of Shadow 2
http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201309100033/ (http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201309100033/)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.gamer.ne.jp%2Fnews%2F2013%2F20130910%2F0033fe070c9717f25ad44fc6407583c35b48%2Fo%2F6.jpg&hash=141a6ad600e86670eb364e3193e31025)

Akumajo Dracula is back.

and, Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sadame no Makyō HD EDITION... Why is a title Akumajo Dracula/Castlevania different?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 10, 2013, 12:20:51 AM
Akumajo Dracula is back.

Thanks for the info.
So... LoS2 is now the new canon?!?  :o

And, Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sadame no Makyo HD EDITION... what?

They are re-releasing it as a downloadable title for the PS3 and Xbox360 for those people who prefer to see the game in HD. Since the game was originally developed in HD.
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Post by: Koutei on September 10, 2013, 12:31:35 AM
So... LoS2 is now the new canon?!?  :o
LoS2 is canon... In LoS timeline. hehe.

HD EDITION... what?
Sorry, I correct. Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sadame no Makyō HD EDITION... Why is a title Akumajo Dracula/Castlevania different?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 10, 2013, 01:07:06 AM
LoS2 is canon... In LoS timeline. hehe.
Sorry, I correct. Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sadame no Makyō HD EDITION... Why is a title Akumajo Dracula/Castlevania different?

That is also what I'm wondering about. why don't they finish the entire LoS saga as Castlevania?

I am speculating:
*The main title change at the last game of that timeline may suggest an upcoming game that might be made by a Japanese team.
*or They might intend to make the LoS timeline replace the IGA timeline for upcoming games. (That's what I meant about a new canon)
*or They just want Japanese fans to know that LoS2 is still Akumajou. This is lame, hehehe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on September 10, 2013, 06:38:15 AM
Konami in japan going back and forth between castlevania and akumajo is really weird, especially doing it halfway through the LoS saga. If I was working with marketing at that company, my head would hurt really bad... Consistency, puhlease.
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Post by: Nagumo on September 10, 2013, 06:52:37 AM
I think the person who decides the name is schizofrenic.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 10, 2013, 09:41:23 AM
Probably. At least, outside of Japan, it always has and will be called Castlevania.
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Post by: Chernabogue on September 10, 2013, 09:54:13 AM
Now we have a Dracula and his castle, so... Well I don't know. (And I don't care, that's just a name to me.)
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Post by: Bergaron on September 10, 2013, 10:16:46 AM
That is also what I'm wondering about. why don't they finish the entire LoS saga as Castlevania?

I am speculating:
*The main title change at the last game of that timeline may suggest an upcoming game that might be made by a Japanese team.
*or They might intend to make the LoS timeline replace the IGA timeline for upcoming games. (That's what I meant about a new canon)
*or They just want Japanese fans to know that LoS2 is still Akumajou. This is lame, hehehe.

It has long been decided that LOS would be called Akumajo in Japan,  in this forum posted this new, LOS1 created confusion with his name in Japan and decided to adapt it so that everyone recognized as part of the Castlevania series in Japan.

Summary: do not be head explode, it's just a decision of markenting (and very old).
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Post by: Pfil on September 10, 2013, 01:17:50 PM
*or They might intend to make the LoS timeline replace the IGA timeline for upcoming games. (That's what I meant about a new canon)
It that is the case, and that comes along with LoS' music, I'm out.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 10, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
It has long been decided that LOS would be called Akumajo in Japan,  in this forum posted this new, LOS1 created confusion with his name in Japan and decided to adapt it so that everyone recognized as part of the Castlevania series in Japan.

Summary: do not be head explode, it's just a decision of markenting (and very old).

Bergaron, if what you are saying is true, so Cox like to be drunk while tweeting:

Quote
Stanislav Plakhov: Mr.Cox can I ask you a question? Why CLoS wasn't released in Japan as a part of Akumajo Dracula series. Just curious.

David Cox: Because it's not part of the Akumajo Dracula series.

Stanislav Plakhov: Simple. But isn't it a part of Castlevania series which is kind of... you know, the same thing (to me at least).

David Cox: It's not the same thing. Castlevania: Lords of Shadow has nothing to do with Akumajo series. It's completely separate.” It's a whole new approach, a new brand that uses certain DNA from previous CV games from the series but it isn't part of it. its set in a separate universe. It's doesn't follow any other CV game. Make sense now?

From: http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4325.msg92279.html#msg92279 (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4325.msg92279.html#msg92279)
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 10, 2013, 03:17:14 PM
Bergaron, if what you are saying is true, so Cox like to be drunk while tweeting:

From: http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4325.msg92279.html#msg92279 (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4325.msg92279.html#msg92279)

I never ever understood that then it's not cv at all wth ?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 10, 2013, 03:32:39 PM
It's not the same thing. Castlevania: Lords of Shadow has nothing to do with Akumajo series. It's completely separate.” It's a whole new approach, a new brand that uses certain DNA from previous CV games from the series but it isn't part of it. its set in a separate universe. It's doesn't follow any other CV game. Make sense now?
Wow... arrogant as always.
And why do they release a game now under the Akumajou Dracula brand?
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Post by: Lelygax on September 10, 2013, 04:16:15 PM
Wow... arrogant as always.
And why do they release a game now under the Akumajou Dracula brand?

Thats why Im clueless and annoyed, since he said this even before MoF release and now plans to use this name.
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 10, 2013, 04:59:11 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmemedepot.com%2Fuploads%2F1000%2F1148_1253230725640.jpg&hash=871e3d207bae39460e67cac8a8aa8bdb)

When it comes to this statement I just do not see any sense as to why Cox would say this. Maybe he has no sense or maybe to truly understand this one has to have no sense at all..... But then again what is sense?

DUN-DUN-DUUUUN!!! Sound Effect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on September 10, 2013, 05:44:22 PM
I would be interested to know sales of Lord of Shadows in Japan. I know that sales in Japan for Castlevania are pretty bad so maybe with Castlevania Lord of Shadows they tried to restart it by branding it Castlevania instead of Demon Castle Dracula. However maybe due to lack of sales for LOS1 in japan or Konami management led to it being rebranded again as Demon Castle. At least I think that is a possibility. Cox is a producer for Lord of Shadow series but I am not sure he has full control over the marketing especially in Japan.
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Post by: shelverton. on September 10, 2013, 06:01:05 PM
I would be interested to know sales of Lord of Shadows in Japan. I know that sales in Japan for Castlevania are pretty bad so maybe with Castlevania Lord of Shadows they tried to restart it by branding it Castlevania instead of Demon Castle Dracula. However maybe due to lack of sales for LOS1 in japan or Konami management led to it being rebranded again as Demon Castle. At least I think that is a possibility. Cox is a producer for Lord of Shadow series but I am not sure he has full control over the marketing especially in Japan.

If I'm not mistaken, Lament of Innocence was also called "Castlevania" in Japan. So they tried it once before. Dunno how that was recieved though.
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Post by: Flame on September 10, 2013, 07:09:52 PM
From what i understand, using Castlevania in japan was iffy, because it's english. it's also a play on words, so not many people understood what "kyassurubania" was supposed to mean.

As for Cox, I think he was just talking out his ass. AD and Castlevania are the same thing, it's like Mega Man vs Rockman. Thats all. he was just trying to buzzword. I dont think even he really knew what he was saying.

Wow... arrogant as always.
And why do they release a game now under the Akumajou Dracula brand?

i don't see how thats arrogant, saying it's a new universe that takes inspiration from previous CV games.. Sounds like a typical marketing bit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on September 10, 2013, 07:14:51 PM
I would be interested to know sales of Lord of Shadows in Japan. I know that sales in Japan for Castlevania are pretty bad so maybe with Castlevania Lord of Shadows they tried to restart it by branding it Castlevania instead of Demon Castle Dracula. However maybe due to lack of sales for LOS1 in japan or Konami management led to it being rebranded again as Demon Castle. At least I think that is a possibility. Cox is a producer for Lord of Shadow series but I am not sure he has full control over the marketing especially in Japan.

LoS PS3

95,768

LoS 360
5,538


16./00. [3DS] Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate <ACT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥4.980) - 14.138 / NEW

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Not too shaby AT ALL. The name change makes no fucking sense.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 10, 2013, 07:20:24 PM
i don't see how thats arrogant, saying it's a new universe that takes inspiration from previous CV games.. Sounds like a typical marketing bit.

How you couldnt know since you've explained it so well now? Its like saying that Mega Man isnt Rockman, when in reality it is. If he had said Lords of Shadows isnt Akumajou Dracula then that could be more understandable and would not be arrogant.

The problem isnt what he said, is how he said.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on September 10, 2013, 09:04:08 PM
I still don't see the arrogance. He was trying to set his continuity apart from the rest. He went about that in a terriblt confusing way though, which doesnt make much sense in hindsight, but it's not arrogant... Just.. silly. or stupid.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on September 10, 2013, 09:42:51 PM
Bergaron, if what you are saying is true, so Cox like to be drunk while tweeting:

From: http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4325.msg92279.html#msg92279 (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4325.msg92279.html#msg92279)

Because is Cox, He says what he has to say at the right time for any of his interests.

Also asserts that LOS2 resembles SOTN, lie.

Said the duration of LOS2 exceed LOS1, now says it is like, when it's actually like but a couple of hours less.

He said there no would be more characters in LOS2.

He said it was Alucard Trevor (now says that as trevor died, actually technically he is not Alucard ..)

he said MoF would not release another console than 3DS (MS lied here too ...)

<<< Put in this space Cox lie that you like >>>

Cox has long had one foot out of Castlevania, business decisions are taken now Konami Japan

P.D. LOS sales were very low in Japan, but this is normal is not a game for Eastern, Western games dislike in Japan, as Gears of War, God of War....., so Konami put Akumajou named it, some will fall into the trap xD.
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Post by: KaZudra on September 10, 2013, 10:37:39 PM
Names are names, Castlevania, Akumajo Dracula...

HoD, AoS, LoI are Castlevania Games in Japan, yet DoS was Akumajo Dracula Despite having less to do with the castle or Dracula.

he said MoF would not release another console than 3DS (MS lied here too ...)

Uuum, no... The HD release was sealed when Cox said the HD version was already finished just as it released.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 10, 2013, 11:56:29 PM
P.D. LOS sales were very low in Japan, but this is normal is not a game for Eastern, Western games dislike in Japan, as Gears of War, God of War....., so Konami put Akumajou named it, some will fall into the trap xD.

Ooohhh... we'll see when it launches.
I just hope I am right on time for my trip when it launches in japan to see it first hand.
Will it launch on the first week of February 2014?  ;)
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 11, 2013, 06:07:33 AM
I don't get it, I tought that Lords was called Akumajou in japan? or Mirror of Fate or something? I remember some outrage about that here.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 11, 2013, 09:13:41 AM
So, Oscar already released the last song of the game, welp.
I like it, but it sounds like Satan is the baddie again.

Still, excellent song, very very tense and dark but the ending is priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AtDc69I1nPs#t=110 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AtDc69I1nPs#t=110)
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Post by: Chernabogue on September 11, 2013, 09:37:38 AM
The mid part sounds a lot like the song we heard at the beginning of the E3 2013 trailer (the one with the piano intro, before "The Titan").

That theme would indeed fit Satan, it's very dark, and powerful. Maybe it'll have electronic elements added, like "The Titan", it could be interesting.

And yeah, so good to hear themes from LoS at the end.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 11, 2013, 10:23:54 AM
Sounds great. Also its possible that this week Dracula's theme is gonna be released. Hope its true
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Post by: Flame on September 11, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
I like it. I mean, i REALLY like what seems to be shaping up as LoS2's theme. I like that halfway they include part of the original LoS theme. It mixes well.
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Post by: Pfil on September 11, 2013, 12:51:53 PM
i don't see how thats arrogant, saying it's a new universe that takes inspiration from previous CV games.. Sounds like a typical marketing bit.
Because he ended with "Make sense now?", like talking down to the other person.
Coming from Cox, I can even hear the tone he used.
The rest of the statement, yeah, just doesn't make sense, but it's not particularly arrogant.
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Post by: Trevorcard on September 11, 2013, 05:16:50 PM
The Music is really good and familiar. I don't like it as much as Titan (the E3 2013 Music) but it will grow on me.

I am actually interested how they are going to portray the cruelty of Dracula and his evil actions. We know that he burned the Brotherhood of Light stronghold and killed Trevor's Wife. But I wonder how much are they going to push it? Such as him drinking the blood of maidens and impaling people. I think they can really portray Dracula as a sympathetic but evil protagonist well if they do it right unlike Kratos post GoW1.
P.S I still think there is chance of Death being the final boss. Zobek is total snake. Free you from your immorality my ass.
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Post by: Gecko on September 11, 2013, 06:08:08 PM
So, Oscar already released the last song of the game, welp.
I like it, but it sounds like Satan is the baddie again.

Still, excellent song, very very tense and dark but the ending is priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AtDc69I1nPs#t=110 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AtDc69I1nPs#t=110)

I got chills from the last part before I even recognized what song it was. That was really cool!
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Post by: Maedhros on September 11, 2013, 06:20:09 PM
It's an okay theme, I guess... Not that I'll remember after I finish the game anyway.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 11, 2013, 06:34:34 PM
Regarding the Akumajo thing, I don't think Cox's wishes for the series mean much. It's Konami of Japan that likely determines what the game should be named over there. They are still the head honchos(the mother company), so their say on specifics would override Cox's wishes. If they want to bring the LoS series under the classic franchise title of "Akumajou Dracula", it's in their right to do so.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 11, 2013, 07:16:44 PM
I think the reason is pretty simple actually: LoS 2 actually has a Dracula...

Nah... or else, MoF too would be called Akumajo Dracula... I dunno, lol.
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Post by: Dremn on September 11, 2013, 07:18:54 PM
So, Oscar already released the last song of the game, welp.
I like it, but it sounds like Satan is the baddie again.

Still, excellent song, very very tense and dark but the ending is priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AtDc69I1nPs#t=110 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AtDc69I1nPs#t=110)
Haven't even listened to the actual song yet but the news of there being an exclusive Castlevania Concert at Playfest is really great news.

EDIT: Well that was kinda nice, I really like Dracula's theme, and hearing the LoS theme at the end was a nice touch too.
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Post by: shelverton. on September 11, 2013, 07:46:33 PM
Towards the end (around 7:30 and forward) you can definitely hear parts of "Beginning" from Dracula's Curse, albeit sliiiiightly different. I remember people having difficulties hearing it in the LoS trailer years back, but whaddabout now?
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Post by: Pfil on September 11, 2013, 09:00:24 PM
Towards the end (around 7:30 and forward) you can definitely hear parts of "Beginning" from Dracula's Curse, albeit sliiiiightly different. I remember people having difficulties hearing it in the LoS trailer years back, but whaddabout now?
I heard it. Why did he have such a huge orchestra but changed the chords and performed only a part? I perceive it more as a tease than a homage, kind of like when I heard Vampire Killer in LoS 1.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 11, 2013, 09:17:01 PM
Towards the end (around 7:30 and forward) you can definitely hear parts of "Beginning" from Dracula's Curse, albeit sliiiiightly different. I remember people having difficulties hearing it in the LoS trailer years back, but whaddabout now?
It's the same snippet present in FInal Confrontation
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Post by: flyingchai on September 11, 2013, 09:28:28 PM
Anyone else hear the choir sing the word "Cah-sel-VAAH-Neea?" lol
Love the music, kinda like it more now that I understand one of the words. :-D
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 11, 2013, 09:47:56 PM
Anyone else hear the choir sing the word "Cah-sel-VAAH-Neea?" lol
Love the music, kinda like it more now that I understand one of the words. :-D
Yep, again, the same as in final confrontation. The best aprt is that they do it with the incorrect spanish pronuciation lol, Cas-TELL-Vania
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Post by: Bergaron on September 11, 2013, 10:00:09 PM
Mehhh is ok but nothing to remember 5/10. Is difficult to do that in a game all songs are fantastic, and los2 already had 2 or 3 above, this had to be the loose ..
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Post by: Pfil on September 11, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
Yep, again, the same as in final confrontation. The best aprt is that they do it with the incorrect spanish pronuciation lol, Cas-TELL-Vania
Haha! That's how everyone says it in Italy, Spain and countries where they speak spanish. I don't know in portuguese, maybe Lely can tell us.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 11, 2013, 11:44:24 PM
Some friend call it Castellvania. I call it Castlevania but with portuguese pronounce (sounds almost like Castelevania with almost no emphasis on "te", mixing "te" and "le" making a "tle"), since for us, its as if english speakers pronounce it "késtolvênia" xD
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Post by: Pfil on September 12, 2013, 12:13:31 AM
Italian, spanish and portuguese are very similar.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 12, 2013, 06:13:39 AM
haha I've always wondered why, I mean, normally it would be mispronounced Cas-tle-vania but for some reason the L changes places.
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Post by: shelverton. on September 12, 2013, 08:37:36 AM
When I was a kid, my friends pronounced it "kassTLEvania" with the heaviest swedish accent you could imagine (though I bet most people can't imagine what that sounds like given how in many movies, when someone is supposed to have a swedish accent, they sound german or - even more confusing - russian.). I remember being a really pretentious kid, trying to correct them :D "IT'S CASS-LLL-VAY-NEE-A DAMNIT!!".
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Post by: e105beta on September 12, 2013, 10:22:09 PM
So, Oscar already released the last song of the game, welp.
I like it, but it sounds like Satan is the baddie again.

Still, excellent song, very very tense and dark but the ending is priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AtDc69I1nPs#t=110 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AtDc69I1nPs#t=110)

I like the part where it goes...well, you know, the part taken from the beginning of the E3 trailer. I still find myself humming that every once in awhile.
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Post by: Munchy on September 12, 2013, 10:38:45 PM
Wow... arrogant as always.
And why do they release a game now under the Akumajou Dracula brand?

Well, I think the main reason is that the "Dracula" cat is out of the bag now, so to speak, where that part of the game was tightly under wraps when LoS1 wasn't out yet. Kinda like IGA's reasoning for the name switch when Harmony of Dissonance was being made - that he wanted to introduce the idea of other non-Dracula antagonists.

And to be fair, I'm certain that LoS1 had nods to the Japanese title in the knight scrolls. Seem to recall the phrase "the demon's castle" or "demoniac castle" being thrown around. It's kind of weird to make that switch mid-miniseries, though, especially when there's the possibility you've brought in new fans who've never played the older ones.
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Post by: e105beta on September 12, 2013, 11:20:38 PM
Technically old news at this point, but somebody on Twitter asked Cox:

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@CastlevaniaLOS I hope that in LOS2 Dracula's bloody whip could be more flashier.  like this pic.twitter.com/UR3zfYJ1fN

And his response was:

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@AlucardLOS - You have to level the shadow whip up thru mastery to make it look like that :)

Kind of cool to know that your weapon "levels up" visually through the mastery system. That's always a nice touch for me in games, albeit not a super important one.
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Post by: uzo on September 13, 2013, 01:54:41 AM
LoS PS3

95,768

LoS 360
5,538
Not too shaby AT ALL. The name change makes no fucking sense.

Actually, for a full console title released in Japan those numbers are abysmal. That's the kind of sales numbers that even low budget handheld titles can get called a failure on.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 13, 2013, 03:09:46 AM
Actually, for a full console title released in Japan those numbers are abysmal. That's the kind of sales numbers that even low budget handheld titles can get called a failure on.
That's right if the franchise was actually famous in Japan. They don't expect most of the sales there at all.
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Post by: Dominus on September 13, 2013, 06:40:39 AM
idk about you but I feel like that track could belong together with the IGAvania tracks. It would be one of the more subdued tracks along them but I think it would still fit

The "Castlevania" singing was cool. Perhaps they thought that if the rest of what they're singing is in latin (or latin sounding gibberish), the spanish (and other latin-descendant idioms) pronunciation would be more fitting
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Post by: uzo on September 13, 2013, 07:56:54 AM
That's right if the franchise was actually famous in Japan. They don't expect most of the sales there at all.

I don't know. it's almost not worth the translation cost and disk printing at that rate. Good business will tell you, if you don't expect it to sell don't bother releasing it.

However, the American version made a boat load of money so I guess they just brought it to Japan out of obligation? Doesn't strike me as something a big publisher would do though. There are plenty of games we don't get in America because they make the decision it 'wont sell' here. Then again, Japan is extremely egocentric, so maybe everything they produce has to release locally and abroad is the secondary always.
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Post by: e105beta on September 13, 2013, 12:17:44 PM
I don't know. it's almost not worth the translation cost and disk printing at that rate. Good business will tell you, if you don't expect it to sell don't bother releasing it.

However, the American version made a boat load of money so I guess they just brought it to Japan out of obligation? Doesn't strike me as something a big publisher would do though. There are plenty of games we don't get in America because they make the decision it 'wont sell' here. Then again, Japan is extremely egocentric, so maybe everything they produce has to release locally and abroad is the secondary always.

I wouldn't doubt that a "Japan-first" attitude has something to do with it. IIRC, Deus Ex: Human Revolution didn't exactly sell well in Japan, but as it was published by Square-Enix, there was probably some unwritten rule that it had to be released there.
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Post by: beingthehero on September 13, 2013, 06:45:19 PM
I don't think Hideo Kojima would dare allow any game he was involved in - even one like Lords where he was barely involved - to not be released in Japan.
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Post by: Flame on September 13, 2013, 11:56:02 PM
Can't someone just ask Cox over the tweety?
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Post by: VladCT on September 14, 2013, 12:46:15 AM
Nah, he'll just lie through his teeth. :P
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Post by: Flame on September 14, 2013, 08:14:25 AM
Better than sitting around guessing
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Post by: Lelygax on September 14, 2013, 10:08:58 AM
Better than sitting around guessing

If he will lie anyway, it will be the same. At least you want to put one more lie in the "Cox's Comedic Lies" book.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 15, 2013, 10:09:33 AM
If there's another "Vampire chess" in this fucking game, I'll fucking kill Cox.
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Post by: Dremn on September 15, 2013, 11:21:47 AM
If there's another "Vampire chess" in this fucking game, I'll fucking kill Cox.
I actually liked Vampire Chess, but that door puzzle later on in the castle was terrible.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 16, 2013, 06:04:19 AM
If there's another "Vampire chess" in this fucking game, I'll fucking kill Cox.
Why? It was the best puzzle in the game, people loved it. That being said I think there won't be recycled puzzles.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 16, 2013, 02:45:45 PM
Why? It was the best puzzle in the game, people loved it. That being said I think there won't be recycled puzzles.
It sucked, too much RNG from the side of the opponent. And completely unnecessary.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 16, 2013, 04:08:45 PM
It sucked, too much RNG from the side of the opponent. And completely unnecessary.
Someone's bad at chess...  :P
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Post by: Lelygax on September 16, 2013, 07:59:22 PM
Someone said... chess? (look at my avatar)

Umineko no Naku koro Ni Ending [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQbbZVRW4A0#ws)
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Post by: Maedhros on September 16, 2013, 08:03:54 PM
Someone's bad at chess...  :P
There's 0 chess logic there.

There's a lot of much better puzzles in the castle, the chess isn't one of them, as it depends on luck (I'm talking about the roullete, even though YOU can exploit and always get the one you want, the PC don't, so you can only count on luck).
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 16, 2013, 09:38:30 PM
To be quite honest, I've never cared for puzzles in action(or action platformer) games. Never. RPGs, I can give leeway to because the pacing is totally different. With action, just give me that, action. I expect a different level of pacing from an action-adventure than I do from an RPG.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 16, 2013, 10:38:01 PM
Look at this. I think that he is Alucard because he has a fucking hole in his chest. Or maybe is another Belmont in LOS2. It was in an article that was about Dracula. The file is named drac06 or something like that, so maybe its Gabriel, I don't know. Anyway, looks amazing.
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Post by: Munchy on September 16, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
To be quite honest, I've never cared for puzzles in action(or action platformer) games. Never. RPGs, I can give leeway to because the pacing is totally different. With action, just give me that, action. I expect a different level of pacing from an action-adventure than I do from an RPG.

Yep. It's really weird when you're jumping and hitting guys, then suddenly have puzzles that are survival-horror levels of time consuming.

Not that I dislike puzzles, quite the contrary. Just not for this kind of game.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on September 17, 2013, 02:41:34 AM
Look at this. I think that he is Alucard because he has a fucking hole in his chest. Or maybe is another Belmont in LOS2. It was in an article that was about Dracula. The file is named drac06 or something like that, so maybe its Gabriel, I don't know. Anyway, looks amazing.

Link, MOFO!

Gabe Newell was also stabbed in the chest but more towards his heart. Trevor was stabbed directly in the centre. So that is probably Dracula in an Alt. Costume. But judging Mercurysteam, unlikely.
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Post by: Nagumo on September 17, 2013, 06:51:12 AM
Looks like Dracula to me.
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Post by: Chernabogue on September 17, 2013, 07:37:03 AM
Judging on the outfit, I'd say Alucard, or maybe Simon (the shoulders). Or a new character.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on September 17, 2013, 12:26:14 PM
It could be another Belmont, Why else should he carry a Combat Cross?
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Post by: Dremn on September 17, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
Look at this. I think that he is Alucard because he has a fucking hole in his chest. Or maybe is another Belmont in LOS2. It was in an article that was about Dracula. The file is named drac06 or something like that, so maybe its Gabriel, I don't know. Anyway, looks amazing.
Richter...?

Nah, it couldn't be.
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Post by: Pfil on September 17, 2013, 02:52:58 PM
Richter in red?
That would be too pushing.
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Post by: Kingshango on September 17, 2013, 05:44:29 PM
Cox says it's an early concept art of Dracula.

Quote from: Dave Cox
It is an early design concept for Dracula

And we get new info on LOS2 this Thursday.
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Post by: Pfil on September 17, 2013, 05:53:47 PM
Still no news about Sonia.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 17, 2013, 06:05:39 PM
Still no news about Sonia.
That's because she don't exist.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 17, 2013, 06:37:14 PM
That's because she don't exist.
She did once...and then she ceased to exist. You know, I've always wondered why there were never any female Belmont vampire hunters in the games. The Belmonts who defeated Dracula were always men. I think it would be nice to have the Belmont hunter be a woman for once. Just for a change. The same thing over and over again gets tiresome.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 17, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
She did once...and then she ceased to exist. You know, I've always wondered why there were never any female Belmont vampire hunters in the games. The Belmonts who defeated Dracula were always men. I think it would be nice to have the Belmont hunter be a woman for once. Just for a change. The same thing over and over again gets tiresome.

I wonder if Belmonts have mothers or are born from trees/cloned/whatever after reading this.
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Post by: Dremn on September 17, 2013, 07:14:34 PM
Cox says it's an early concept art of Dracula.

And we get new info on LOS2 this Thursday.
Ah, that makes more sense.

And nice, looking forward to it. It's funny just last thursday I was rewatching the gameplay trailer too.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 17, 2013, 08:36:44 PM
To be quite honest, I've never cared for puzzles in action(or action platformer) games. Never. RPGs, I can give leeway to because the pacing is totally different. With action, just give me that, action. I expect a different level of pacing from an action-adventure than I do from an RPG.
It changes the pace. GoW2 did it better than LoS, though. In LoS the puzzles don't really feel like they should exist, only some blend with the stage theme actually (like the eletric labs one, one of the best puzzles on the game and that makes sense). I don't mind the ones that unlock doors too, they aren't really intrusive. The ones like the Pan one or the chess... I could live without easily.
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Post by: Pfil on September 17, 2013, 10:06:05 PM
That's because she don't exist.
There was this rumour, and I had hopes that she'd still be revealed some of these days as the last hidden character.

She did once...and then she ceased to exist. You know, I've always wondered why there were never any female Belmont vampire hunters in the games. The Belmonts who defeated Dracula were always men. I think it would be nice to have the Belmont hunter be a woman for once. Just for a change. The same thing over and over again gets tiresome.
I agree. It was so nice to kick ass with Charlotte, Shanoa, Yoko... and back in the day, Maria, Carrie and Sonia!

I wonder if Belmonts have mothers or are born from trees/cloned/whatever after reading this.
No, according to MS, women exist in the CV universe, and they fill the role of providing sons and waiting in the house, and sometimes, when they die, if they could use magic, they will assist as spirits.
That for the good side. Now, for the evil side, there are also women, and they are relegated to boss fights or little vampire girls in a DLC. You know... side characters.
Just like Zobek is present the whole game, Carmilla, with former equal importance in the Order, appears just a while and goes away.

Sometimes I wonder if MS is only constituted by men that grew up playing macho games and watching men's sports... I mean, they must know that there are other roles for women in VG's... and in the world. Or not, IDK...
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 18, 2013, 02:28:36 AM
Sometimes I wonder if MS is only constituted by men that grew up playing macho games and watching men's sports... I mean, they must know that there are other roles for women in VG's... and in the world. Or not, IDK...

They are just going for the traditional route. Let them be and play the game without over thinking things.  :)
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Post by: DoctaMario on September 18, 2013, 10:29:28 AM
It changes the pace. GoW2 did it better than LoS, though. In LoS the puzzles don't really feel like they should exist, only some blend with the stage theme actually (like the eletric labs one, one of the best puzzles on the game and that makes sense). I don't mind the ones that unlock doors too, they aren't really intrusive. The ones like the Pan one or the chess... I could live without easily.

I like puzzles when they're well done and I thought for thr most part they were in LoS. There weren't really any that I thought weren't enjoyable and it can be a nice way to break things up a bit.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 18, 2013, 05:07:48 PM
I like puzzles when they're well done and I thought for thr most part they were in LoS. There weren't really any that I thought weren't enjoyable and it can be a nice way to break things up a bit.
Good for you.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 18, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
I like puzzles when they're well done and I thought for thr most part they were in LoS. There weren't really any that I thought weren't enjoyable and it can be a nice way to break things up a bit.
I think they add nothing to an action/adventure game other than wasting time. And even when I think about it, puzzles in general(in fantasy games) are kinda stupid. Say you have castle in ancient times. Why would the king have this backbreaking puzzle just to open certain gates or such. Imagine you are put in the shoes of a guard, or even the king. You had too much wine and now you gotta take a leak, but to get to the royal washroom, you have to exit through the sun gate by charging the sun stone at the eastern window, and to get the sun stone, you must solve an intricate puzzle. I know it's all fantasy, but there's really NO logic behind puzzles in fantasy games. Castles and temples would more likely have death traps than puzzles. Hell, for CV, I'd prefer JUST traps. It's not like, to enter the king's chamber, you need to collect the 7 scattered pieces of the queen's gem amulet, place them on a pedistal in order of the colored jewel on each piece corresponding to the place they are on the rainbow(bottom to top on the spectrum) just to open that door. It's simply ludicrious.

Or, LOL, the ones that get me pissed the most. You got three levers(or buttons), and each one has some effect on the other two, so you have to push them in order to get through the puzzle, almost resulting in all the buttons being turned on together, or switches lining up. I could just see the puzzle setter thinking this shit up and explaining it to the high priest or king:

Puzzlemaster: Yeah, see this awesome puzzle. You need to push all these buttons in, and then the door opens! But, the trick is, once you push one in, it pushes another out. You need to do it in a certain order!

King: I think you got too much time on your hands!

 ;D
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Post by: Lelygax on September 18, 2013, 08:10:36 PM
You know that these buttons are a archaic type of password right? We do it all the times in banks and internet xD
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 18, 2013, 09:51:48 PM
You know that these buttons are a archaic type of password right? We do it all the times in banks and internet xD
Yeah, but I don't have to search for the tomb of King Arthur and place his crown upon his head to receive one part of the password, defeat three statue guardians to recieve the other part, then align four totems to four constellations to make a key pad appear and type it in before a big boulder smashes me.

And like I said, when it's in RPGs, I don't mind it(for the most part), as the pacing in RPGs(both JRPGs and WRPGs) allow you to take it easy. I also don't mind fetch-questions in RPGs(I know a lot of people hate them). But, for action games, where pacing is faster(considerably), I just don't like them. They ruin the mood for me. If I wanted to play a puzzle game, I would. 
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Post by: Flame on September 18, 2013, 10:16:33 PM
Say you have castle in ancient times. Why would the king have this backbreaking puzzle just to open certain gates or such.

You mean you wouldn't?

It's an effective form of security! Why bother breaking into the castle with the platforming puzzle with spikes and pendulum blades, when the one next door just has a boring ol' gate and scalable wall?
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Post by: Pfil on September 19, 2013, 07:23:22 AM
Actually, I really liked Reverie's puzzles. And that was part of LoS.
The in-game puzzles were OK, too (like the one where you have to push statues).
And, as much as MoF lacked many things in gameplay, I have to say the puzzles were pretty good.
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Post by: Dremn on September 19, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
So where dat new info :V
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Post by: Kingshango on September 19, 2013, 08:23:25 AM
So where dat new info :V

Later tonight.




Probably.
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Post by: Chernabogue on September 19, 2013, 08:52:15 AM
I hope we'll get a new trailer, like the big one we got for LoS1 during the TGS.
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Post by: Flame on September 19, 2013, 11:50:21 AM
You folks seen this? Pretty nice interview with Carlyle and Cox. it's cool to get Carlyle's own insights into the character he's playing.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/09/16/giving-the-dark-lord-voice-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-roundtable.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/09/16/giving-the-dark-lord-voice-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-roundtable.aspx)
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Post by: Intersection on September 19, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
You folks seen this? Pretty nice interview with Carlyle and Cox. it's cool to get Carlyle's own insights into the character he's playing.
Interesting. It's nice to know we have a voice actor who's manifestly involved with character he's bringing to life.
I would wish, however, for Cox to give a better image of the game he's making. But from what I've read, I don't think he'll go very far:
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In Lords of Shadow 2 we wanted more emotion. [...] There’s much more emotion in this game than there was in the previous one for sure.
Well, that's always good to know...?
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I’m just thinking of and example right now, on the 3DS game, when Gabriel kills his own son. That scene, I remember, Robert was actually in the studio crying. And we all sat there like, ‘F***.’ It was so emotional. Even now, I’m getting goose bumps. When we deliver our game, we want to give that emotion to the players. When players play the game [we hope] they’re like, ‘I wasn’t expecting that,’ and, ‘I’m really feeling that.’
By the time I'd gathered the courage to get to that scene, my senses had been so dulled by the game that I had become utterly unable to feel. But it's not as if this ending could have inspired anything at all. Well, maybe laughter... yes, that's probably what I was doing. Laughing. But I wasn't happy. I had just realized that the worst VG conclusion I'd seen in years had come from a Castlevania game. I fell asleep, utterly depressed.
And as for "not expecting that"...

Actually, I really liked Reverie's puzzles. And that was part of LoS.
The in-game puzzles were OK, too (like the one where you have to push statues).
And, as much as MoF lacked many things in gameplay, I have to say the puzzles were pretty good.
I actually agree; the MoF puzzles were surprisingly good.
The LoS puzzles ranged from surprisingly interesting (music box) to tragically stupid (light-shadow markers). While LoS has a few truly decent puzzles in it, it should have been more aware of the difference between "puzzle" and "forced trial and error". And some of those puzzles were utterly mindless -- a classic example of a poorly-chosen filler.
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Post by: Dremn on September 19, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Dang, I expected whatever it was news wise we're supposed to get to be up by now.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 19, 2013, 04:53:50 PM
Quote
I’m just thinking of and example right now, on the 3DS game, when Gabriel kills his own son. That scene, I remember, Robert was actually in the studio crying. And we all sat there like, ‘F***.’ It was so emotional. Even now, I’m getting goose bumps. When we deliver our game, we want to give that emotion to the players. When players play the game [we hope] they’re like, ‘I wasn’t expecting that,’ and, ‘I’m really feeling that.’

So he wants us to cry while playing this game and we to be like "I wasn't expecting that". They already did it since LoS1 with me for the wrong reasons.
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Post by: Flame on September 19, 2013, 06:09:14 PM
Quote
By the time I'd gathered the courage to get to that scene, my senses had been so dulled by the game that I had become utterly unable to feel. But it's not as if this ending could have inspired anything at all. Well, maybe laughter... yes, that's probably what I was doing. Laughing. But I wasn't happy. I had just realized that the worst VG conclusion I'd seen in years had come from a Castlevania game. I fell asleep, utterly depressed.
And as for "not expecting that"...
Really? I really liked Trevor's ending. I felt like it was really well presented. I felt the emotion. I mean, i didn't cry or anything, but it was IMO, well acted, and for all the shortcomings of MoF's cutscenes, I thought that one in particular did well enough.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 19, 2013, 06:17:17 PM
It was greatly acted but limited by the hardware.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 19, 2013, 06:30:20 PM
Exactly, the voice acting was great, but the visual aspect of the cutscenes sucked. Let's hope that when an HD version comes to consoles, the visual aspect of the cutscenes will much better.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 19, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
They should at least lipsynch it.
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Post by: Melanicus on September 19, 2013, 09:16:27 PM
Here's some gameplay footage (same demo as before):

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/09/19/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-gameplay-tgs-2013 (http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/09/19/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-gameplay-tgs-2013)
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Post by: Kingshango on September 20, 2013, 05:54:29 AM
So there's nothing new from TGS from this game then? All I picked up is that MoF HD lets you control with the dpad this time, other than that news has been dry regarding the game.

Well I guess that's it for media of this game till the VGA's or something.
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Post by: Dremn on September 20, 2013, 08:20:41 AM
Disappointing, was hoping for a new trailer.
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Post by: Intersection on September 20, 2013, 08:57:45 AM
Really? I really liked Trevor's ending. I felt like it was really well presented. I felt the emotion. I mean, i didn't cry or anything, but it was IMO, well acted, and for all the shortcomings of MoF's cutscenes, I thought that one in particular did well enough.
All right, so I was exaggerating. If anything, that ending was probably the only MoF cutscene that was made decently. The scene was well acted, and the emotion could have been there if it hadn't already been ruined by just about everything that came before it.
That was just the problem: in the way it was presented, it only stood to show how laughably incoherent the whole rest of the game was.

For all of you waiting for news, I don't think we'll see anything big before some time. For the moment, we'll have to be content with this:
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/20/tgs-will-the-jump-to-hd-make-castlevania-mirror-of-fate-better (http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/20/tgs-will-the-jump-to-hd-make-castlevania-mirror-of-fate-better)
The answer, of course is no.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 20, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
Disappointing, was hoping for a new trailer.
I think most of us were hoping for a new trailer
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Post by: Lelygax on September 20, 2013, 10:40:03 AM
I think its because Cox doesnt focus a lot in eastern events, but I can be wrong.
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Post by: Chernabogue on September 20, 2013, 11:09:32 AM
Kojima made a trailer for LoS1 during TGS 2010 (or 2009?), but since he's not really on that project, it seems normal.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on September 20, 2013, 12:52:17 PM
When LOS1 TGS trailer came out, the game's release was a few weeks ahead, that's why that trailer was published, since LOS2 is still months away, IMO, there won't be trailers soon. Although I think that next week a gaming event will take place (not sure), maybe, just maybe, new info will surface.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on September 20, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
http://pixelenemy.com/lords-of-shadow-2-chat-with-dave-cox-next-gen-frame-rates-notan-issue-in-los2-ending-gabriels-story-more/ (http://pixelenemy.com/lords-of-shadow-2-chat-with-dave-cox-next-gen-frame-rates-notan-issue-in-los2-ending-gabriels-story-more/)
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Post by: Lelygax on September 20, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
OMG, he will really do a new Contra :(
People will start calling it Coxtra.
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Post by: Kingshango on September 20, 2013, 07:25:41 PM
Can't be any worse than The Contra Adventure :-\

As I say this I bet Cox is thinking "Oh yeah, just watch me."
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Post by: Dremn on September 20, 2013, 07:40:34 PM
I am terrified for Contra now.

Depending on how well this one goes I might just be done with Konami altogether, aside from MGS. :/
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Post by: Lelygax on September 20, 2013, 07:44:43 PM
It will become Gears of War with falling bridges. (God of War and Gears of War are GoW, so we will have a GoWvania and a GoWtra)
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Post by: Kingshango on September 20, 2013, 08:21:37 PM
It will become Gears of War with falling bridges. (God of War and Gears of War are GoW, so we will have a GoWvania and a GoWtra)

Can't wait for the arguments around the internet about who came first and who invented who. It's gonna be a grand ol time.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 20, 2013, 08:25:38 PM
Well, one thing for sure: We will have a new stock of jokes to use xD
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Post by: Munchy on September 20, 2013, 10:45:18 PM
Cautiously optimistic about a new Contra. It could be alright. But then again, we've seen time and time again that it's Konami and they have a limitless fountain of ways to derp things up.

But hey, if it introduces more people to Contra that'd be cool.
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Post by: shelverton. on September 21, 2013, 10:17:24 AM
I bet Contra is gonna turn out to be a FPS, not a Gears clone. Konami (and every other japanese company) reeeeeaaally wants a piece of the Halo/CoD/Battlefield cake, but none of them seems to know how to do it. I'm prepared for a shitty Contra that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the sidescrolling ones, except maybe some aliens.

I would much rather have a GoW clone than a FPS, but something tells me it's not gonna be like that. Dunno.
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Post by: Rugal on September 21, 2013, 06:49:13 PM
So, Mr. Cocks wants to ruin another legacy.

Can't say I'm surprised. More compulsive lying content for all.
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Post by: Flame on September 21, 2013, 07:38:50 PM
Maybe it will be a 3rd person shooter? I can't see it going FPS, even for Cox's radical brand of reimagining, and even for the "COD audience".
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Post by: Maedhros on September 21, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
Maybe it will be a 3rd person shooter? I can't see it going FPS, even for Cox's radical brand of reimagining, and even for the "COD audience".
Cox already said he wanted to go for the CoD audience.
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Post by: Belmontoya on September 21, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
How about you all calm the F down and wait until some actual details are revealed before you start the bitch fest.
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Post by: Kingshango on September 21, 2013, 11:48:42 PM
After seeing so many legacy franchises be rebooted and revamped in order to please the lowest common denominator who want nothing to do but play Call of Duty, Halo and Gears of War for several years, I think the early bitching is somewhat justified.

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Post by: Rugal on September 22, 2013, 04:56:56 AM
Don't flamebait.
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Post by: Chernabogue on September 22, 2013, 05:01:47 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FaQXng.gif&hash=71dca264d99b9912e00dcc78645b60f7)
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Post by: e105beta on September 22, 2013, 11:54:54 AM
All this talk of retro-platforming shooters going FPS just makes me think of Maverick Hunter.

Unreleased Mega Man FPS Game: The Complete Demo [Maverick Hunter] [All Known Footage] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLgSqIPL-0U#ws)

Honestly, I think that might have been pretty cool.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 22, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
^
Disgusting...
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Post by: shelverton. on September 22, 2013, 01:14:56 PM
How about you all calm the F down and wait until some actual details are revealed before you start the bitch fest.

I am calm. But sharing expectations and concerns is only natural. Otherwise you can't talk about unreleased games at all and that would be the end of many a forum. But yeah, nobody knows for sure how a Coxtra will turn out. 98% of us wants a 2D sidescroller, but 98% also fear that it's not gonna happen. I wanna bitch about that, a little.

But this is of course a thread about LoS2, so I'll save it for later :D
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Post by: Flame on September 22, 2013, 01:21:17 PM
All this talk of retro-platforming shooters going FPS just makes me think of Maverick Hunter.

Unreleased Mega Man FPS Game: The Complete Demo [Maverick Hunter] [All Known Footage] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLgSqIPL-0U#ws)

Honestly, I think that might have been pretty cool.

Yeah. I thought that had potential. it was being worked on by some Retro Employees who worked on metroid prime.

people get all scared when they hear "FPS", generally because generic war simulator FPS call of patriots of honorduty 15 gives it a bad name.

but there are tons of great FPS games, like Portal, Half Life, Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, and of course, Metroid Prime. Metroid went from 2D to 3D first person, and it's considered "Super Metroid in 3D", and one of the best games in the franchise.

Maverick Hunter also took the best bits of plot from the former games and incorporated a bit of Zero series too. it was X and Zero, fighting Mavericks as usual, it was going to be a 3 part series, where in the third, you would play as Zero, taking down a power mad X, a-la Zero 1.
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Post by: Intersection on September 22, 2013, 01:28:15 PM
I can't say I feel optimistic about a future Coxtra (it's an interesting name, though  :D). I couldn't help but feeling slightly worried after hearing his interview...
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If someone were to do Contra, to say hypothetically, it would be like a new IP in many ways. We are hardcore gamers, we played those games, but there are a lot of people that don’t know what Contra is. They have no idea. There is a massive audience out there, they play Call of Duty and love those games, but they don’t know what Contra is. I think if we were going to reintroduce something to that audience. It has to be new, unique, it’s got to stand out. It’s got to have a new idea, something really cool about it that’s never been done before.
*Ahem* ... ... Haven't we heard that somewhere before?
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Post by: Lelygax on September 22, 2013, 01:30:08 PM
How about you all calm the F down and wait until some actual details are revealed before you start the bitch fest.

Have you seen this?

[Xbox360] BOMBERMAN Act:Zero -OP&Gameplay- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdO0VB1ogMI#)

*Ahem* ... ... Haven't we heard that somewhere before?

If we follow the "script" it will be something like that:

-Cox reboot Contra and names it Contra: Probotector Wars
-Then it says "Probotector isnt Contra"
-In the end its revealed that Bill Rizer is turned in this robot, so he could fight these aliens, its a cliffhanger to a game that shows how it happened.
-A random ally ship that appears for 10 minutes before being destroyed will be named Gradius, no, it doesnt resemble anything the original ship.
-Cox says "You want me to leave? Then buy my games!"
-Cox says in a interview that he would like to work in a Gradius title that appeal to Ace Combat audience.
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Post by: Intersection on September 22, 2013, 01:38:19 PM
Have you seen this?

[Xbox360] BOMBERMAN Act:Zero -OP&Gameplay- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdO0VB1ogMI#)
What... what on earth is that? I never knew it even existed...

-Cox reboot Contra and names it Contra: Probotector Wars
-Then it says "Probotector isnt Contra"
-In the end its revealed that Bill Rizer is turned in this robot, so he could fight these aliens, its a cliffhanger to a game that shows how it happened.
-A random ally ship that appears for 10 minutes before being destroyed will be named Gradius, no, it doesnt resemble anything the original ship.
-Cox says "You want me to leave? Then buy my games!"
-Cox says in a interview that he would like to work in a Gradius title that appeal to Ace Combat audience.
That would be... unfortunate. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 22, 2013, 01:44:28 PM
edited my last post, I expect these things to doesnt happen or it will be a hell :(
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Post by: shelverton. on September 22, 2013, 01:47:52 PM
-Cox reboot Contra and names it Contra: Probotector Wars
-Then it says "Probotector isnt Contra"
-In the end its revealed that Bill Rizer is turned in this robot, so he could fight these aliens, its a cliffhanger to a game that shows how it happened.
-A random ally ship that appears for 10 minutes before being destroyed will be named Gradius, no, it doesnt resemble anything the original ship.
-Cox says "You want me to leave? Then buy my games!"
-Cox says in a interview that he would like to work in a Gradius title that appeal to Ace Combat audience.

I laughed so hard at this  ;D
OMG the horror...
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Post by: Lelygax on September 22, 2013, 02:13:59 PM
Found this, maybe it have already been posted here since its old news:
http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/9/4506470/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-pictured-with-oculus-rift-compatibility (http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/9/4506470/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-pictured-with-oculus-rift-compatibility)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on September 22, 2013, 03:28:47 PM
Man I really don't want to see Contra become Call of Duty. That would crush whatever little faith I have left in this ever changing for apparently the worst industry.
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Post by: Kingshango on September 22, 2013, 03:35:06 PM
Thing is, I don't even think Call of Duty will be as big as it is now next gen. The industry have already put their money on Titanfall to be the next big thing next gen and that game is basically Call of Duty with mechs and jetpacks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: shelverton. on September 22, 2013, 03:47:58 PM
Thing is, I don't even think Call of Duty will be as big as it is now next gen. The industry have already put their money on Titanfall to be the next big thing next gen and that game is basically Call of Duty with mechs and jetpacks.

Yeah, at some point everything must go. I don't think CoD is in any real danger anytime soon, but the only type of games that will keep going strong regardless of trends and timing, are the EA Sports titles. Those are timeless and relevant to soooo many people (even non-gamers) that they'll outlive us all. Too bad I don't care about them at all...

I know people who buy consoles ONLY to play Madden, FIFA and NHL.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on September 22, 2013, 05:43:23 PM
On the Contrary, Contra could use a less obscure Story such as Lance becoming a Tranny in Rebirth...

Contra is a Bullet-hell platformer, if Cox can transition this to 3D, you have gold
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on September 22, 2013, 06:03:59 PM
Yeah. I thought that had potential. it was being worked on by some Retro Employees who worked on metroid prime.

people get all scared when they hear "FPS", generally because generic war simulator FPS call of patriots of honorduty 15 gives it a bad name.

but there are tons of great FPS games, like Portal, Half Life, Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, and of course, Metroid Prime. Metroid went from 2D to 3D first person, and it's considered "Super Metroid in 3D", and one of the best games in the franchise.

Maverick Hunter also took the best bits of plot from the former games and incorporated a bit of Zero series too. it was X and Zero, fighting Mavericks as usual, it was going to be a 3 part series, where in the third, you would play as Zero, taking down a power mad X, a-la Zero 1.

Metroid Prime is, IMO, the one of the best examples of the FPS genre being used as something other than a "Kill everything" SIM. I mean, I get that CoD-style shooters have grown to almost engulf the entire FPS market, but that's not ALL you can get from an FPS.

I don't, however, understand why a Contra game with Cox at the head automatically has to undergo a genre shift. For all we know it could end up looking like Shadow Complex.

Metric asston of assumptions going on right now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on September 22, 2013, 06:36:03 PM
-Cox says in a interview that he would like to work in a Gradius title that appeal to Ace Combat audience.

They already dumbed down Ace Combat to appeal to the CoD crowd with Assault Horizon, and it was as mediocre as you could expect.

I don't think Call of Duty is taken seriously anymore. Activision's policy of saturating the video game market with identical sequels (such as them single-handedly killing off the rhythm subgenre of gaming with endless Rock Band sequels) means that the next Call of Duty certainly has far less hype than the leviathan that was Modern Warfare 2. The upcoming sequel is still being mocked for touting fish moving out of your way as some ground-breaking feature, as well as motion-capturing a dog.

It's kind of weird since I remember playing the first one on PC back in '03, when the series was just a way for the developers behind Medal of Honor: Allied Assault to perfect their vision for the ideal WWII game. Now it's this gold standard for brown n' bloom genericness that still manages to be popular.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 22, 2013, 08:27:24 PM
They already dumbed down Ace Combat to appeal to the CoD crowd with Assault Horizon, and it was as mediocre as you could expect.

Shit! I've only played Ace Combat 2 for PSX and some for PS2. 2 is awesome, but I've disliked these from PS2 IDK why.

Call of Duty certainly has far less hype than the leviathan that was Modern Warfare 2. The upcoming sequel is still being mocked for touting fish moving out of your way as some ground-breaking feature, as well as motion-capturing a dog.

We laughed here too, I've even said that it would be cool if we could play as the dog, like in Medal of Honor 1. xD

On the Contrary, Contra could use a less obscure Story such as Lance becoming a Tranny in Rebirth...

Robotic tranny :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on September 23, 2013, 07:27:06 AM
Oh my god.. Please please PLEASE don't touch my precious Gradius.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on September 23, 2013, 07:37:27 AM
Shit! I've only played Ace Combat 2 for PSX and some for PS2. 2 is awesome, but I've disliked these from PS2 IDK why.

Say whaaaaaaaat

Ace Combat 4 was the best. The game was released in like 2001 and its graphics are still incredible. Ace Combat 5 is still the corniest, hokiest shit I've ever played though. The voice acting was re1 levels of awful, plus second-to-final battle with the pilots SINGING THE JPOP SONG OF PEACE. uggghhhhh
Also replacing the anime-still cut scenes with uncanny valley CGI which unfortunately continues to this day
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on September 23, 2013, 08:00:29 AM
I am calm. But sharing expectations and concerns is only natural. Otherwise you can't talk about unreleased games at all and that would be the end of many a forum. But yeah, nobody knows for sure how a Coxtra will turn out. 98% of us wants a 2D sidescroller, but 98% also fear that it's not gonna happen. I wanna bitch about that, a little.

But this is of course a thread about LoS2, so I'll save it for later :D

I actually would be happy if the Contra legacy continued with the formula of Shattered Solider. The only thing I didn't like about Shattered Solider is limiting the player to only 3 weapons and not fan-service like the spread gun...other than that it was a brutally awesome game I thought. Neo Contra was cool too but, Shattered Solider was more akin to the original. I couldn't make myself play through Legacy of War or C the Contra Adventure.  Everything about those titles turned me off.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 23, 2013, 10:52:26 AM
Oh my god.. Please please PLEASE don't touch my precious Gradius.
They say MS want to reboot Gradius and make it like a Hollywood spacecrafts movie...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on September 23, 2013, 04:59:16 PM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/23/tgs-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-is-most-impressive (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/23/tgs-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-is-most-impressive)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 23, 2013, 05:45:24 PM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/23/tgs-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-is-most-impressive (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/23/tgs-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-is-most-impressive)
What's the point in posting a link to this article? It doesn't tell us anything new about the game. All it does is say that this a great game and mentions the "fan service" in the demo. If it was really fan service, MS would have included the whole conversation from SotN. From what I saw in the demo, it is entirely out of place. it should have been left out. Although, dropping the cup was ok. They really should have made it shatter on the floor though like in the old CV games.

I think what most of us are waiting for is a new gameplay trailer that shows us stuff we have never seen like some sort of interaction with Trevorcard or perhaps some other abilities we haven't seen yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on September 23, 2013, 06:17:45 PM
What's the point in posting a link to this article? It doesn't tell us anything new about the game. All it does is say that this a great game and mentions the "fan service" in the demo. If it was really fan service, MS would have included the whole conversation from SotN. From what I saw in the demo, it is entirely out of place. it should have been left out. Although, dropping the cup was ok. They really should have made it shatter on the floor though like in the old CV games.

I think what most of us are waiting for is a new gameplay trailer that shows us stuff we have never seen like some sort of interaction with Trevorcard or perhaps some other abilities we haven't seen yet.
Yes it`s most of the same even if this review came out today. But it has more sence post this new article about LOS2 than talking about Contra, etc in the LOS2 threat...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on September 23, 2013, 06:50:22 PM
Thank you. CVLOS2 looks incredible.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 23, 2013, 09:14:32 PM
They say MS want to reboot Gradius and make it like a Hollywood spacecrafts movie...
It could be worse. They could make an ultra grounded, dramatic and realistic take on Goemon or Twinbee. A Goemon where everybody looks like realistic Japanese warriors, lots of QTEs and epic Hollywood score. A Twinbee set in some futuristic post-apocalyptic world where specialized soldiers pilot robotic armor to protect the world from theats. ;D

Or a new, edgey "Kid Dracula". Basically kinda like DmC's Dante, a rebellious punk character, says "Fuck you!" a lot, and wears a Sex Pistols t-shirt. The world is being taken over by Galamoth, so Kid Dracula must gather his angst and head into battle!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 23, 2013, 09:53:19 PM
It could be worse. They could make an ultra grounded, dramatic and realistic take on Goemon or Twinbee. A Goemon where everybody looks like realistic Japanese warriors, lots of QTEs and epic Hollywood score. A Twinbee set in some futuristic post-apocalyptic world where specialized soldiers pilot robotic armor to protect the world from theats. ;D

Or a new, edgey "Kid Dracula". Basically kinda like DmC's Dante, a rebellious punk character, says "Fuck you!" a lot, and wears a Sex Pistols t-shirt. The world is being taken over by Galamoth, so Kid Dracula must gather his angst and head into battle!
Hahaha! If I could give you more than just +1 I would :)
I'm really laughing hard! You know what's the best part? That it's true!
I can really imagine those reboots seeing current state of industry!
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Post by: Belmontoya on September 23, 2013, 10:05:54 PM
It could be worse. They could make an ultra grounded, dramatic and realistic take on Goemon or Twinbee. A Goemon where everybody looks like realistic Japanese warriors, lots of QTEs and epic Hollywood score. A Twinbee set in some futuristic post-apocalyptic world where specialized soldiers pilot robotic armor to protect the world from theats. ;D

Or a new, edgey "Kid Dracula". Basically kinda like DmC's Dante, a rebellious punk character, says "Fuck you!" a lot, and wears a Sex Pistols t-shirt. The world is being taken over by Galamoth, so Kid Dracula must gather his angst and head into battle!

Weak.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 23, 2013, 10:25:24 PM
A Twinbee set in some futuristic post-apocalyptic world where specialized soldiers pilot robotic armor to protect the world from theats. ;D

..While they are after 2 bees that are the key to save humanity, these bees are twin and thats why the game is called Twinbee xD

"Twinbee isnt TwinBee" lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on September 23, 2013, 10:36:17 PM
...or if Mercury Steam is asked by Konami to reinvent Suikoden. *shivers*

"Yeah, so we're really excited to make Suikoden more mainstream! We have no experience with RPGs but one of our crew members did briefly play Final Fantasy 13, so we're going with that. And a bit of Mass Effect too cause that sells a lot, and it's kind of an RPG, we think? Who cares, we'll just make something. Oh, and we're not doing 106 characters cause that would take waaaay to long time, and besides, we don't think that was the appeal of the original games anyway, was it? Whatever, we just want to be done with the game and move on to other projects. In fact, I'm getting tired of it as we speak, even though the game is not out yet. I don't wanna be Mr. Suikoden."

I took that way too far :D Just had to get it out of my system. Sorry for that. Carry on!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on September 24, 2013, 03:24:47 AM
Or it might go the way it actually went for CVLoS where mercurysteam makes a wonderful new version of a game that had gone stale with an uninspired developer, making many old fans very happy while bringing in new fans, and also selling the most copies of a Cv game in the process, and essentially bringing a franchise back from the brink of the abyss.

I might be able join in with you guys in your complaints if that wasn't the way it actually went.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on September 24, 2013, 03:41:29 AM
Or it might go the way it actually went for CVLoS where mercurysteam makes a wonderful new version of a game that had gone stale with an uninspired developer, making many old fans very happy while bringing in new fans, and also selling the most copies of a Cv game in the process, and essentially bringing a franchise back from the brink of the abyss.

I might be able join in with you guys in your complaints if that wasn't the way it actually went.

That is kinda 50/50 to be honest. I can't argue with the fact that LoS1 sold a lot and made a bunch of people happy (not me, mind you. But I see why other people might like it.). But they also made Mirror of Fate which, by the look of it, sold about as poorly as some of IGAs last efforts. That particular game is hanging by a thread over this "abyss" you speak of.

I'm sure LoS2 will be better, but I doubt it's gonna repeat the commercial success of LoS1. I don't see Mercury Steam as the "saviour" of Castlevania, more like its impending demise. It's possible that the franchise would've met the same fate had IGA kept going. These are dark times. Times without hope.

Nah, but really. I'm concerned, that's all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on September 24, 2013, 08:33:32 AM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/23/tgs-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-is-most-impressive (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/23/tgs-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-is-most-impressive)

The comments in the article made me die.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on September 24, 2013, 09:01:26 AM
I opened the article. I read: "Lords of Shadow is the best 3D Castlevania game ever made". I closed the article. I upvoted Rugal's post.

That's all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 24, 2013, 09:56:11 AM
I just can't take reviewers like IGN seriously. Considering that it's their job to review games, they probably receive more money for positive reviews meaning that high ratings are bought and paid for. Thus, corrupting the reviews and destroying the credibility of the reviewers. This makes the reviews potential lies and useless for gamers. It's just best to wait for a normal person to buy the game and upload their footage on youtube.
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Post by: VladCT on September 24, 2013, 10:14:54 AM
Or it might go the way it actually went for CVLoS where mercurysteam makes a wonderful new version of a game that had gone stale with an uninspired developer, making many old fans very happy while bringing in new fans, and also selling the most copies of a Cv game in the process, and essentially bringing a franchise back from the brink of the abyss.

I might be able join in with you guys in your complaints if that wasn't the way it actually went.
In my understanding the complaints here are more about him taking a piss on the original mythos by just taking the names and trying to redefine them his way. Next thing we know Bill becomes Red Falcon and Riou goes as insane as Luca Blight.
That said, I hope he doesn't try to reboot franchises from other companies and touch Metal Slug. Last thing I want is a tongue-in-cheek game going grimdark.
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Post by: Intersection on September 24, 2013, 10:17:40 AM
I just can't take reviewers like IGN seriously. Considering that it's their job to review games, they probably receive more money for positive reviews meaning that high ratings are bought and paid for. Thus, corrupting the reviews and destroying the credibility of the reviewers. This makes the reviews potential lies and useless for gamers. It's just best to wait for a normal person to buy the game and upload their footage on youtube.

I don't think it has as much influence as you're making it out to have.
Granted, it seems hard to imagine that larger companies wouldn't be paying reviewers to support their games. Yet there's no shortage of bad reviews out there. From what I've seen (and read), most critics seem to have preserved their independence of spirit -- it's exceedingly difficult to find a professional review that clearly appears to be biased.
So, for the moment, I'm still more inclined than not to trust them, especially when we're dealing with well-established institutions like IGN.
Of course, it's always best to judge a game on your own. Yet there are times when, both literally and figuratively, you can't afford to make a mistake... and that's where reviews come in. They're still very useful, provided you're using them wisely enough. And, like you said, it's always nice to have a few third-party opinions to complement your own.

EDIT: Oh, so this is my hundredth post! Why, this must be celebrated. Quite so.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on September 24, 2013, 10:23:02 AM
some people love it, other hate it. But there is only one authentic truth, all will have to live with everyone, no matter what the views of other people. So, live with it.

See you very focused on MS, considering that they are only four months of relationship with Castlevania, do not you would have to be more focused on the future of Castlevania?, New producer, the new studio, continuation and end of the old saga ...

PD. I hate COD, but I have to live with it ....

PD2. When IGN gives it a 4.5 they are genuine fan of Castlevania, but when I lift the clouds are corrupt .... (I live with it, so is this world).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on September 24, 2013, 10:31:39 AM
I just can't take reviewers like IGN seriously. Considering that it's their job to review games, they probably receive more money for positive reviews meaning that high ratings are bought and paid for. Thus, corrupting the reviews and destroying the credibility of the reviewers. This makes the reviews potential lies and useless for gamers. It's just best to wait for a normal person to buy the game and upload their footage on youtube.

High ratings may indirectly be "bought and paid for" because of advertising and such (you don't wanna bite the hand that feeds you), but I doubt game companies would flat-out bribe reviewers (apart from the occasional free drinks and strip clubs..eh.. I mean, PR events). I did work as a video game reviewer for a couple of years (not in the US though) and noone ever paid anyone to write a positive review of anything. I do however remember a Nintendo PR-person contacting us after we scored Mario Kart Wii a 3/5. He was pretty upset and started to question us why the game didn't get a higher score. We explained that a 3/5 was indeed a "good" score but he wouldn't accept that. On a big site like IGN I imagine things like that might happen even more often, but I dunno. It's not like you'd go back and change the score because someone yelled at you.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 24, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
The complains are because a lot of old fans don't think it is CV, and all that copies it sold, it did so with many people who doesn't know what CV is, and while it made some old fans happy, it made a lot of old fans unhappy.
Also, the complains are based on the way fans perceive MS, myself included.
I can see them doing the same with any franchise, and apparently I'm not the only one.

I don't have much faith in the future of CV because it's not Nintendo we are talking about, it's Konami, and they will care about selling.
We won't have another MetroidVania, and I highly doubt we'll have another ClassicVania.

The future of CV might be Lecarde Chronicles 2. That's the best we'll get. And not from Konami, of course.

To fight between CV fans? No, we all love the same thing. And there's nice people here.
To defend MS? Oh no, dear. Never. They made me lose 6 years of CV.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on September 24, 2013, 10:46:21 AM
The complains are because a lot of old fans don't think it is CV, and all that copies it sold, it did so with many people who doesn't know what CV is

easy to respond to that statement, now people know perfectly well what is LOS (one 3D hack&slash style DMC), if LOS2 sells well ......
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 24, 2013, 11:06:33 AM
Yes, and they will buy it because they like LoS, and I respect that, as much as I don't agree.
But many of those people still don't know anything about older CV games. Let's face it: we CV fans are just a little elite market, and that's why Konami tried to make it appealing to everyone.
Did they succeed? The sales numbers apparently say so.
But that doesn't mean they made a game appealing to older fans, at least not to a great part of the fanbase.
I see your point, and it stands just as much as my point stands.
The way I see it, they could have made LoS a separate franchise, and now they would have CV, with low budget games and some sales, and LoS, a new franchise that sells a lot, and we would all be happy, and also greedy Konami would be happy with that.
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Post by: Intersection on September 24, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
The way I see it, they could have made LoS a separate franchise, and now they would have CV, with low budget games and some sales, and LoS, a new franchise that sells a lot, and we would all be happy, and also greedy Konami would be happy with that.
All this time, I'd been wishing LoS was a separate franchise; yet I'd hope CV would fare better than being relegated to a low budget wing -- for "some sales" only.

I'm all for a bold reimagining of Castlevania; yet this particular one went so far that it got lost in its own dream. When it came out it wasn't Castlevania anymore!
Here's the bottom line: I truly enjoyed Lords of Shadow -- but simply not as a Castlevania game.

But Pfil: you have to show some kind of optimism towards future games; yes, Konami isn't known to pamper its franchises, but we can always hope for a true breakthrough.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on September 24, 2013, 12:19:07 PM
Yes, and they will buy it because they like LoS, and I respect that, as much as I don't agree.
But many of those people still don't know anything about older CV games. Let's face it: we CV fans are just a little elite market, and that's why Konami tried to make it appealing to everyone.
Did they succeed? The sales numbers apparently say so.
But that doesn't mean they made a game appealing to older fans, at least not to a great part of the fanbase.
I see your point, and it stands just as much as my point stands.
The way I see it, they could have made LoS a separate franchise, and now they would have CV, with low budget games and some sales, and LoS, a new franchise that sells a lot, and we would all be happy, and also greedy Konami would be happy with that.

Oh Pfil. I really like you, but there is just so much bs in this post. As I've said before I've been a die hard CV fan since the 80's and I love LOS and fully except it as a cv game. To assume that fans of LOS know nothing about CV is presumptuous and down right ignorant. Most of the people I know who played LOS and liked it were as old of fans as I am. Not all of them are die hard fans who own very game, but they have been playing cv games for as long as me.

Many fans from way back in the day ( and I mean before you were a fan) simply lost interest when castlevania became primarily a low budget nintendo handheld game. LOS has brought back fans who didn't care for the Metriodvania hand held games.

I know a lot of fans like this, and LOS brought them back. Then there are the did hard fans like me who have been around since damn near the beginning, and we love LOS. That's what I call appealing to the true older fans.

It really seems to me that you like the idea of castlevania being this obscure anime Metriodvania game that has a niche crowd. That's not the way it was back in the day and thats not the way many fans want it. It seems like you feel threatened by castlevania being on the big stage again and getting new fans.

LOS is every bit as legitimate as any IGA game in CV. That's fine if you don't like it, but it would be nice if you could stop raining on the parade for those of us who are excited for the sequel. On this particular thread it's a little rude.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on September 24, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
Ya know, speaking of Goemon, where the hell has he been lately. I could really go for a fun co-op insanity platformer right about now.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 24, 2013, 12:33:47 PM
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True, MercurySteam "Reign of Terror" is only 4 months away from its end. I'd love the bitching to stop already.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on September 24, 2013, 01:13:03 PM
Oh Pfil. I really like you, but there is just so much bs in this post. As I've said before I've been a die hard CV fan since the 80's and I love LOS and fully except it as a cv game. To assume that fans of LOS know nothing about CV is presumptuous and down right ignorant.
Have you ever considered tempering your remarks before posting them? No matter how much we disagree with each other, we're here to share our opinions with respect. Even if we don't subscribe to someone else's opinions, we should always try to say so with a certain amount of civility. It's a simple courtesy, both towards others and towards yourself. Because you must understand -- I don't exactly care to know how much bulls**t Pfil wrote, now do I?

Many fans from way back in the day ( and I mean before you were a fan) simply lost interest when castlevania became primarily a low budget nintendo handheld game. LOS has brought back fans who didn't care for the Metriodvania hand held games.

I know a lot of fans like this, and LOS brought them back. Then there are the did hard fans like me who have been around since damn near the beginning, and we love LOS. That's what I call appealing to the true older fans.

It really seems to me that you like the idea of castlevania being this obscure anime Metriodvania game that has a niche crowd. That's not the way it was back in the day and thats not the way many fans want it. It seems like you feel threatened by castlevania being on the big stage again and getting new fans.

LOS is every bit as legitimate as any IGA game in CV. That's fine if you don't like it, but it would be nice if you could stop raining on the parade for those of us who are excited for the sequel. On this particular thread it's a little rude.
Lords of Shadow may have brought some long-time gamers back to the franchise, but I can assure you that it was not intended to appeal to such a crowd; the way I'm looking at it, Lords of Shadow has very little to do with classic Castlevania.
Then again, that's my opinion; I'll leave you to yours. But try not to invoke the "I been here longer than you" argument. It really doesn't rub off well.
I can understand that IGA's titles don't appeal to you as much, but you might try to abstain yourself from calling their fans a "niche crowd" if you're going to assert that LoS is just as legitimate as Metroidvania. You'll have to excuse me, but we can all have our own opinions, and I'm quite certain that Pfil's have precious little to do with "feeling threatened" by new fans. It also happens that I mostly agree with her.
A word to the wise: I'm just as excited as you to see a LoS sequel coming to consoles. So don't fault anyone for "raining on your parade". And the next time you're going to call someone rude, think about yourself first.


Some good advice for all of us:
some people love it, other hate it. But there is only one authentic truth, all will have to live with everyone, no matter what the views of other people. So, live with it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 24, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
True, MercurySteam "Reign of Terror" is only 4 months away from its end. I'd love the bitching to stop already.
Yeah, I want it to stop too. However, I bet it will start up again if someone else gets the opportunity to make CV games and they reboot the series (almost guaranteed to happen). At which point, both the fans who are complaining now and the fans of the LoS series will start bitching. I don't mean to be negative, but this is just the impression I get.

Oh, and what I said about before about IGN and other reviewers, I may have over exaggerated the way things are and how they work, but my point remains the same.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on September 24, 2013, 01:51:29 PM
I can assure you that my posts are tempered intersection. You might note that my whole post started with how much I like Pfil. She's a nice girl and a passionate cv fan. I think very highly of her.

With all do respect I find it offensive for Pfil to imply that fans of LOS know nothing about castlevania. THAT is a BS comment to make, and I stand by what I wrote. I couldn't care less to know what information you wish to get out of my posts Intersection.

I can assure you that LOS was made to appeal to CV fans. I experienced a genuine cv out of it and noticed nods to Cv4 as well as other games. You're not going to convince me that LOS was developed without CV fans in mind. That idea is absurd.

And I didn't start the 'I've been here longer than you argument". Pfil said that LOS fans know nothing about older cv games. I was merely citing myself as proof that that statement is false and again, presumptuous.

And just so you know, I am a fan of many IGA games, so please don't assume that I am not simply because I also enjoy LOS.

By going on to a LOS sequel thread, and doing nothing but bash the games, and mock the development team, you are bound to start to annoy some people.

And by the way, I thought about calling myself rude, and then I thought better of it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 24, 2013, 02:32:49 PM
I know a lot of fans like this, and LOS brought them back. Then there are the did hard fans like me who have been around since damn near the beginning, and we love LOS. That's what I call appealing to the true older fans.
I'm not since the beginning just because I'm 24, but I would have been otherwise, you can be sure of that.
But I want to make clear that I stated that many LoS fans know nothing about CV. Of course not all of them.
Here we have some CV fans tat like it, but we don't have a million fans that bougth a million copies. In that million people, you will mostly find modern gamers that never played a CV game until LoS.

It really seems to me that you like the idea of castlevania being this obscure anime Metriodvania game that has a niche crowd. That's not the way it was back in the day and thats not the way many fans want it. It seems like you feel threatened by castlevania being on the big stage again and getting new fans.
You can be sure of that. I'd love portable MetroidVanias to come forever. Low budget, some recycled sprites, simple stories, but new stages, new music and new characters every time. That's my ideal, yes. Only home console MetroidVanias would be better than that.
But I'd be happy with many downloadable titles as Rebirth too, provided they have new CV stages and music.

LOS is every bit as legitimate as any IGA game in CV. That's fine if you don't like it, but it would be nice if you could stop raining on the parade for those of us who are excited for the sequel. On this particular thread it's a little rude.
OK, I started it as a joke. We were just making fun of MS thinking what they would do with another franchises, based on the way we perceive them.
I will respect that.

By the way, thanks for how you started your post, I like you too  :)

Yeah, I want it to stop too. However, I bet it will start up again if someone else gets the opportunity to make CV games and they reboot the series (almost guaranteed to happen). At which point, both the fans who are complaining now and the fans of the LoS series will start bitching. I don't mean to be negative, but this is just the impression I get.

Oh, and what I said about before about IGN and other reviewers, I may have over exaggerated the way things are and how they work, but my point remains the same.
You can be sure there will always be people complaining. The only way to shut up all of us would be to develop a home console 3D CV with Yamane's style of music, a portable MetroidVania and keep LoS as a separate franchise.
People will always complain when they take away or change what they love. And reboots are the worst thing that can happen to people many times.

And about IGN, I just don't understand Colin Moriarty. He gave a 4,5 to MoF but he loves LoS. I just don't understand it. First, MoF is more CV than LoS the way I see it, and 2nd, you either like them both or dislike them both, how can you give 8,5 to on and 4,5 to the other if they look the same, have the same music and the stories merge?

All this time, I'd been wishing LoS was a separate franchise; yet I'd hope CV would fare better than being relegated to a low budget wing -- for "some sales" only.

I'm all for a bold reimagining of Castlevania; yet this particular one went so far that it got lost in its own dream. When it came out it wasn't Castlevania anymore!
Here's the bottom line: I truly enjoyed Lords of Shadow -- but simply not as a Castlevania game.
That's exactly what I think.

But Pfil: you have to show some kind of optimism towards future games; yes, Konami isn't known to pamper its franchises, but we can always hope for a true breakthrough.
I know, but I just can't when the music is that music. I would forgive anything else and I would have a little more optimism had things been a little different.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on September 24, 2013, 02:54:55 PM
The "Lords of Shadow isn't Castlevania" arguments are so 2009, the iPhone 3GS just came out.

Really tho, just think in 5 more months the Lords of Shadow arc is ending and a new dev team will replace MS.

Then will all have b&m sessions about the next Castlevania reboot then it's back to square 1.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 24, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
And we will have the same complains over and over.
As I said, the only way there will be no complains is if they make home console 3D CV's, portable MetroidVanias, downloadable ClassicVanias and keep releasing LoS games as a separate franchise.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on September 24, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
Alright, just to spread some luv in this thread (which after all is about LoS2) I'm gonna name some positive things about this upcoming game. Because as much as I disliked LoS and MoF, not everything is all black and white.

For example:

- The graphics and the environments we've seen so far in LoS2 look (IMO) gorgeous. LoS1 was a pretty game too but I honestly think Mercury Steam has topped it. Hats off for them!

- The exploration aspect excites me, and I'm glas MS listened to the feedback. Time will tell if they pulled it off, but it's probably safe to say that LoS2 will have more exploration than LoS1. Cause it had none, basically.

- The concept of going between a modern city and the old castle is new to the series, and I'm interested to see what the "modern" setting will be like. Are we jumping on roof tops? I wanna know.

- The camera is no longer fixed. It should make for a less claustrophobic experience and, if done well, really help those fancy graphics come to life.

- The titan battle in the demo looks VASTLY superior to the ones in LoS1. Stuff is actually happening while you climb, and it seems much more dynamic and less repetitive.

- Dracula wielding three weapons should make the combat less monotonous. Enemies will probably have a bit too much health this time as well, but if Dracula has a few other powers up his sleeve (which he should, according to MS) it could mix things up a bit.

- Slogra might be in this game. What do you think?

...so, there. I was positive! I actually liked being positive and constructive. Weird feeling... :S
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on September 24, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
I have high hopes to LoS2. If they make other characters playable, better yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on September 24, 2013, 04:46:31 PM
 :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on September 24, 2013, 04:55:50 PM
- Dracula wielding three weapons should make the combat less monotonous. Enemies will probably have a bit too much health this time as well, but if Dracula has a few other powers up his sleeve (which he should, according to MS) it could mix things up a bit.

This reminds me... I kinda enjoyed the combat in LoS1, but did anyone else have that problem where all you could do on higher difficulties was X X X - dodge, or else get hit? And does anyone who is good at the combat have any tips to circumvent this?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 24, 2013, 05:08:46 PM
Yeah, I want it to stop too. However, I bet it will start up again if someone else gets the opportunity to make CV games and they reboot the series (almost guaranteed to happen). At which point, both the fans who are complaining now and the fans of the LoS series will start bitching. I don't mean to be negative, but this is just the impression I get..
Final Fantasy in a nutshell. For a series where fans openly preach about change and how "true fans" are ones that accept it(because Square SAID FF is about change), they abandon all of that once the change doesn't agree with their precieved notion of what FF should be like. You saw the bulk of this start with FFVII, where the series became more mainstream, and the newer fans were all, "Yeah, older fans, FF's different now! Go sulk somewhere else, because it's OUR series now and we accept the new way it's going!", and the old fans were, "Naw, we want the old games and classic FF settings with Black Mages and such!". Then eventually came FFIX where the newer fans were all like, "What's this change? I don't like it! It's too cartoony!" and old fans were like, "Yay, but why do the characters look like treasure trolls?", then you got various bumps back and forth between settings, and people arguing about each other, pretending to be "enlightened" because they accept a current game, then the second the NEXT one comes out, change their stripes and start ranting how the series is dead!

I think I've said this before on GameFAQs, but nobody is that indifferent to be unbiased against all change. Everybody has a breaking point that, depending on their taste, pushes them over the line where they eventually say, "Yeah, I don't like it!". And to a point, that's fine. You don't have to like everything. It's human to like and dislike things. It's human to rant about things(takes some frustration out, vents some steam). Though, the bit about the lot of ours proposed "rebooted MS versions of other Konami franchises" was more done in fun and jokingly. It wasn't meant to be malicious. It was a poke of fun. It actually can also poke fun at reboots altogether(as the collective of reboots, MS or not, tend to revolve around the same ideas of stripping a franchise of it's soul and mass-marketing it to the mainstream audience... MOST of the time, not ALL the time). It's kinda like poking fun at the idea of Contra, a movie by Michael Bay. Instead of Red Falcon being aliens, it's going to be an army... evil army. There's going to be more explosions, more squad based stuff, and a scene where they are preparing for battle in front of the rising sun.

Ya know, speaking of Goemon, where the hell has he been lately. I could really go for a fun co-op insanity platformer right about now.
It's dead, dude. Personally speaking, I wouldn't mind the series to be revived and given some good attention. I could go for an anime-esque quirky action game. Hell, they can also make it into some cool, large ass adventure ARPG. But, Westerners no likey cartoony quirkiness. That's for babies. It's not gritty, grounded or realistic! And while some people are allowed to think that way, I would hope the majority would just get over that shit. A fun game is a fun game. Who cares if it's super realistic, cartoony, quirky, surreal or grounded? I mean, it's funny that when I was young, everybody taught me not to judge a book by it's cover, because what's inside counts(my generation, that was kinda pounded into our heads), and then you realize that's not really the case. Many good things in this world get overlooked because people don't give them a chance. Shame. What an enlightened age we live in!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on September 24, 2013, 05:10:52 PM
And we will have the same complains over and over.
As I said, the only way there will be no complains is if they make home console 3D CV's, portable MetroidVanias, downloadable ClassicVanias and keep releasing LoS games as a separate franchise.
I'll complain if LoS was a separate franchise. Separate from Akumajou, sure, but I'd take western Castlevania over japanese castlevania every day. i simply can't trust the japanese industry now. LoS is my Castlevania now, I'd get whatever Konami throws out though. I'm not picky. Just avoid anime, camp and IGA at all costs. I'll be fine.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Pfil on September 24, 2013, 06:03:16 PM
Anime and IGA, yeah!
I don't think they will return, to be honest.

"Only time will tell who shall emerge victorious".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on September 24, 2013, 06:58:17 PM
This reminds me... I kinda enjoyed the combat in LoS1, but did anyone else have that problem where all you could do on higher difficulties was X X X - dodge, or else get hit? And does anyone who is good at the combat have any tips to circumvent this?

I just use XXYY then launch, then come down with a guillotine.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 24, 2013, 07:10:39 PM
I opened the article. I read: "Lords of Shadow is the best 3D Castlevania game ever made". I closed the article. I upvoted Rugal's post.

That's all.

"MercurySteam’s maiden Castlevania game, Lords of Shadow, is the best 3D Castlevania ever made. Not only is its gameplay solid, but it truly understands what Castlevania is all about, if not in how it plays, then in how it looks and feels. Indeed, Lords of Shadow, in many ways, feels like a modern-day Castlevania II: Simon’s Quest, an adventure that was about far more than just treking through Dracula’s fortress. It felt meatier and more substantial – though not as traditional – than many entries in the franchise."

After saying this, thats what happened with this guy:
News Reporter Can't Stop Laughing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfK804n1D7M#)


Ya know, speaking of Goemon, where the hell has he been lately. I could really go for a fun co-op insanity platformer right about now.

Maybe he was being smart and hiding like a ninja so one remembers of him for now, I mean, Contra didnt hide and look who is coming to grab it now.

The "Lords of Shadow isn't Castlevania" arguments are so 2009, the iPhone 3GS just came out.

OMG you are a genius, thanks to you I could read the hidden message in this statement:
"Lords of Shadow isn't Castlevania"
Swap some words and voila
"MercurySteam isn't Konami"
or even
"Cox isn't IGA"

- Slogra might be in this game. What do you think?

Yes, but it will looks like Slogra or be like this?
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 24, 2013, 07:24:08 PM
Maybe he was being smart and hiding like a ninja so one remembers of him for now, I mean, Contra didnt hide and look who is coming to grab it now.

I think for Goemon, even though I'd love the series to make a comeback, I'd rather it not if it means, to comeback, it has to be chewed up and regurgitated by the "mainstream trend maker". I see it all similar to Dr. House's explaination of "Circle Queens", which also best describes mainstreaming trends and being "in trend". As long as everything is inside the circle of "trend", it's relevent, but anything outside of the acceptable circle should be beaten, broken and reset so it can be brought into the circle, therefore be worthy of attention.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on September 24, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
I'll complain if LoS was a separate franchise. Separate from Akumajou, sure, but I'd take western Castlevania over japanese castlevania every day. i simply can't trust the japanese industry now. LoS is my Castlevania now, I'd get whatever Konami throws out though. I'm not picky. Just avoid anime, camp and IGA at all costs. I'll be fine.

There is no Akumajou, only this single series you see before you!

But seriously, isn't the fact that "Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2" is now called "Akumajou Dracula: Lords of Shadow 2" in Japan officially send the message that Konami doesn't really see a difference?

I think people need to get over the fact that Konami isn't making the games as love letters to them and just like what they like and don't like what they don't like. Maybe the series goes back to Japan, maybe Lawds-style games become the norm, maybe it becomes an FPS-Adventure RPG. Who knows? Let's just wait and see what we get.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 24, 2013, 08:25:45 PM
I think that everyone is coping with this situation as they can. Be sure that Im making all these jokes but Im not happy with this actual situation, Im doing this to try to forget and to make people feel better. I know that some people doesnt need to do that, since they really liked this game, but I need this for sure.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on September 24, 2013, 10:20:11 PM
I personally found Castlevania diluted when it become a typical PG Animu. I'm tired of all the Characters looking like this.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.zerochan.net%2FMaebara.Keiichi.full.1408699.jpg&hash=06266334cfb5d19d85149d331a6b1169)

Igarashi made a huge mistake by focusing the series on the Japanese Audience when the series wasn't that popular in the West anyways and that was his final card. Like most Anime, they don't look outside the damn box anymore. I thought I grew up but no, Anime just used the same damn cycle with their themes and like Igarashi, he did the same. Hideo too is a Japanese Developer but what makes him renowned amongst other great Japanese Developers? Simple, he watches not just Japanese or Hollywood entertainment but other Foreign Media as well. He has many things to inspire from and therefore he got to the top. But Konami has screwed IGA too. They put their faith on him too much without giving him adequate budget. Miracles don't just happen all the time. That's why we call them miracles. You can't expect SotN to happen all the time. If they gave him enough budget and Iga did more research on Directing, Writing and Inspiration, Castlevania would've been in the same league as MGS. Truth is, there is more market for Video Games in the West and that's why MGS still thrives 'til this day because the main hero is American and has guns but innovative since it is stealth which many games were not at the time like "Thief". IT'S 'MURICAN. And that's what Castlevania was always supposed to be since it's dawn if it was a game of today. A Dark Gothic Conan Vampire Fantasy Action that used fighting yet no button mashing. Elder Scrolls, Dark Souls... Lords of Shadow. That is what Castlevania should've been today and if it had that kind of transition since 1997, it would've been in the same league or perhaps even greater than MGS. But no, it started targeting Japanese Audience and that was their doom. Castlevania is a Western themed game developed by the Japanese, and if it stayed that way it wouldn't have had it's lows by having bishie Belmonts and DMC clone gameplay.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on September 24, 2013, 10:33:39 PM
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They put their faith on him too much without giving him adequate budget.
Hasn't IGA said himself that CV games get above average budgets?

If that's true, then he was mis-spending money.

Probably wasting it on ripping Rondo assets out.


Side note, someone REALLY should go on twitter and ask Cox about why loS is suddenly branded Akumajo Dracula in Japan.

I'm pretty sure any guess we make would likely be close enough, (mainly, marketing reasons) but I'd love an actual official answer. Or as close as he can give.

PS: Jorge! you should add "PC" to the LoS2 like icon!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 24, 2013, 10:40:38 PM
I personally found Castlevania diluted when it become a typical PG Animu. I'm tired of all the Characters looking like this.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.zerochan.net%2FMaebara.Keiichi.full.1408699.jpg&hash=06266334cfb5d19d85149d331a6b1169)

Theres not wrong with Keichi! Auu~! :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on September 25, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
I can assure you that my posts are tempered intersection. You might note that my whole post started with how much I like Pfil. She's a nice girl and a passionate cv fan. I think very highly of her.

With all do respect I find it offensive for Pfil to imply that fans of LOS know nothing about castlevania. THAT is a BS comment to make, and I stand by what I wrote. I couldn't care less to know what information you wish to get out of my posts Intersection.

I can assure you that LOS was made to appeal to CV fans. I experienced a genuine cv out of it and noticed nods to Cv4 as well as other games. You're not going to convince me that LOS was developed without CV fans in mind. That idea is absurd.

And I didn't start the 'I've been here longer than you argument". Pfil said that LOS fans know nothing about older cv games. I was merely citing myself as proof that that statement is false and again, presumptuous.

And just so you know, I am a fan of many IGA games, so please don't assume that I am not simply because I also enjoy LOS.

By going on to a LOS sequel thread, and doing nothing but bash the games, and mock the development team, you are bound to start to annoy some people.

And by the way, I thought about calling myself rude, and then I thought better of it.
*Sigh*
Ordinarily, I'd never get into discussions like this one. Especially on a forum like this, I try to avoid conflict to the best of my abilities -- and I expect others to follow suit... That's probably why I posted in the first place. But, in any case, I shouldn't have. You caught me in a particularly bad mood; I saw red.
Yet some of my remarks still hold true: I may be of of the last to think so nowadays, but I see a difference between "I don't agree at all", or "that's inaccurate", and "there's so much bs in this post". I see a difference between "it lacks foresight" and "it's presumptuous and downright stupid". I see a difference between "that isn't appropriate here" and "that's rude". You probably meant as much, and I must have overreacted; but if I could be allowed to give any advice, I'd ask you to try to avoid unnecessarily inflaming a discussion by keeping your expressions tame. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not trying to impose upon you what I feel you should or shouldn't be writing. Yet I feel that misunderstandings such as these could easily be avoided if we could all avoid making our posts feel more aggressive than they actually are...
But for the moment, act as if I'd never posted beforehand. It doesn't help anything, and I should have realized that.

I'll share a few of my thoughts now, though:
- I still don't think LoS was conceived entirely with classic CV fans in mind. Cox's intentions were far from being a mystery: he had intended, among other things, to bring Castlevania into the mainstream market. And that would involve, he noted, unconventional choices.
- I'm perfectly convinced that many, long-time fans were brought back to the series with LoS; but you can't deny that many more were attracted to the MercurySteam's new blockbuster reboot without exactly knowing much of the series' heritage. I know there to be many new LoS-crazed fans who don't hold Castlevania's past games in particularly high regard.
But that isn't, of course, true for all of LoS's fans (that'd include me ;)). Far from it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on September 25, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
I still don't think LoS was conceived entirely with classic CV fans in mind. Cox's intentions were far from being a mystery: he had intended, among other things, to bring Castlevania into the mainstream market. And that would involve, he noted, unconventional choices.

And 9/11 was an inside job?

I'm tired of hearing this. We have a complete explanation, both how and why this isn't true, that can't be explained away by "Cox lied, series died". Why can't people accept that this was originally supposed to be a CV1 remake?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on September 25, 2013, 01:25:08 PM
having cv4 in recent memory, i get huge cv4 vibes from los. And considering it was originally a cv1 remake, that is unsurprising. moreso given Cox's declared affinity for the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on September 25, 2013, 02:31:35 PM
And 9/11 was an inside job?

I'm tired of hearing this. We have a complete explanation, both how and why this isn't true, that can't be explained away by "Cox lied, series died". Why can't people accept that this was originally supposed to be a CV1 remake?
Here's what I had written: "I still don't think Lords of Shadow was conceived entirely with classic CV fans in mind". I didn't assert that it wasn't conceived with them in mind at all. I had meant to indicate that MercurySteam was also targeting an altogether different audience for its Castlevania entry, one whose adherence would help the franchise regain a prominent position in the gaming industry.
At this point, there's little room for doubt: Lords of Shadow moved Castlevania much closer to the expectations of the modern gaming market. The many comparisons that emerged between LoS and some of the industry's leading franchises were no coincidence. Many of the changes LoS made to CV's style were admittedly intended to draw the attention of a larger, more diverse gaming audience. Now, don't get me wrong here: I'm in no way advancing that it was a bad choice; I was just explaining what I find to be an interesting trend in the series.

So I'm not quite sure what you disagree with.

And I don't believe I'd ever mentioned anything about Cox lying. If he does, that isn't really my concern.  :P

Flame:
What moments in particular reminded you of SCIV? I didn't find the two games to have that much in parallel, if not for the trademark whip swing...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on September 25, 2013, 04:00:40 PM
Castlevania Lords of Shadow - Simon Belmont Concept (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9mcOzbVbig#ws)

This was the original pitch so..... Ehh I like los it was a mix of simons quest and most of all belmont's revenge( it comes off to me as fantasy take a look at crystal castle for instance. More so than horror like los in some parts)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on September 25, 2013, 04:50:56 PM
Here's what I had written: "I still don't think Lords of Shadow was conceived entirely with classic CV fans in mind". I didn't assert that it wasn't conceived with them in mind at all. I had meant to indicate that MercurySteam was also targeting an altogether different audience for its Castlevania entry, one whose adherence would help the franchise regain a prominent position in the gaming industry.
At this point, there's little room for doubt: Lords of Shadow moved Castlevania much closer to the expectations of the modern gaming market. The many comparisons that emerged between LoS and some of the industry's leading franchises were no coincidence. Many of the changes LoS made to CV's style were admittedly intended to draw the attention of a larger, more diverse gaming audience. Now, don't get me wrong here: I'm in no way advancing that it was a bad choice; I was just explaining what I find to be an interesting trend in the series.

So I'm not quite sure what you disagree with.

And I don't believe I'd ever mentioned anything about Cox lying. If he does, that isn't really my concern.  :P

Well I believe I need to apologize. I missed the word "fans", and thought you were making the claim that the game wasn't originally conceived with Castlevania in mind. My mistake.

I actually agree with you: the game wasn't conceived with classic Castlevania fans in mind, it was designed to broaden the audience, but I know a lot of Classicvania fans (myself included) appreciated the game's return to an older theme/aesthetic.
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Post by: Dremn on September 25, 2013, 05:24:09 PM
Yea, there are definitely certain things about LoS that I appreciate as a fan of the older aesthetics pre-SotN.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 25, 2013, 05:29:49 PM
What is similar to Simon's Quest in Lords of Shadow?
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Post by: Kingshango on September 25, 2013, 06:30:15 PM
What is similar to Simon's Quest in Lords of Shadow?

I guess he means the traversal aspect of the game, starting from a village, to forest, ancient ruins, abandon fortress's and finally ending up at the castle. ( I know the game technically ended in the land of the dead but still)
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Post by: Lelygax on September 25, 2013, 06:40:01 PM
So I think its more close to a CV3 without partners to help or SCV4. In LoS you dont need to talk with people to discover new things, you dont need to backtrack, its stage-to-stage while CV2 isnt and it doesnt have a time limit or day/night system.

But I can be wrong, so thats why Im asking that, because I dont know what is similar to CV2 apart from the armor being similar in color with Simon's armor in CV2.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on September 25, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
I wish LoS2 had a Day and Night Cycle and had a text prompt saying "What a Terrible day for a Sunshine" And all the Brotherhood Paladins go Hardcore Crazy.

Being a Hardcore Castlevania fan by the way, if I had the rights to Castlevania back in 2009, mine would've been something as completely new as LoS. Why do I have to follow the same damn pattern if I'm rebooting the series. SotN wasn't made with "Castlevania" esthetics and gameplay so SHUDDUP!  >:(
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Post by: Neobelmont on September 25, 2013, 07:21:40 PM
I guess he means the traversal aspect of the game, starting from a village, to forest, ancient ruins, abandon fortress's and finally ending up at the castle. ( I know the game technically ended in the land of the dead but still)

yeah something like this and the red armor, the night day cycle. babysitting makes me tired so I can't think too well right now.  :(
 but yeah something like this and the red armor, the daylight did make me think of SQ.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 26, 2013, 08:37:52 AM
What is similar to Simon's Quest in Lords of Shadow?
Simply: The sense of a world.
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Post by: Dremn on September 26, 2013, 09:10:53 AM
I hate these droughts of no info. Here's something in the mean time.

http://www.meagan-marie.com/castlevania/ (http://www.meagan-marie.com/castlevania/)

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Post by: Chernabogue on September 26, 2013, 09:56:05 AM
I would totally play with Gabrielle Belmont.  8)
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Post by: Intersection on September 26, 2013, 12:01:56 PM
I wish LoS2 had a Day and Night Cycle and had a text prompt saying "What a Terrible day for a Sunshine" And all the Brotherhood Paladins go Hardcore Crazy.
Uh... interesting idea, I guess? But I'm not sure if "what a terrible day for sunshine" would have enough dramatic effect...
Implementing a day/night system in LoS2 would be a great idea, though. Remember when night fell in Carmilla's castle? Just when you thought you'd finally dealt with with them all... I'd love to see something like that in LoS2.

Being a Hardcore Castlevania fan by the way, if I had the rights to Castlevania back in 2009, mine would've been something as completely new as LoS. Why do I have to follow the same damn pattern if I'm rebooting the series. SotN wasn't made with "Castlevania" esthetics and gameplay so SHUDDUP!  >:(
Well, I wouldn't say that. When it came out, Symphony was ripe with novelty and innovation, but a good part of the game's success lay in how remarkably well Castlevania's past esthetics were integrated within it. Every recognizable aspect of the series, from its unique gameplay to its inspiring music, were flawlessly woven into SoTN -- it was, and it still is, unmistakeably Castlevania. Remember, it was also Hagihara's last effort in the franchise; its perfect union between old and new was key to its success. Also not that SoTN wasn't that radically different, either; the series had been moving in that direction ever since Rondo. After all, Symphony was its sequel.

Simply: The sense of a world.
And a world there was. And yet it was never truly as monumental as it appeared to be. Towering cliffs, thunderous waterfalls, crumbling ruins -- you could feast your eyes on them, but never anything more. You couldn't interact with them; you couldn't explore them; you were literally imprisoned between the insubstantial walls of a linear game. They felt more like decoration, rather than constituting the comprehensive universe I'd expected them to be... Of course, there were those moments when what I saw truly took my breath away. But I'd even have preferred a slightly smaller world, if I could be given the freedom to wander about, far and wide, unbound.
But it seems LoS2's on the way to right that, though. I'm impatiently waiting to see what it'll be like...

I would totally play with Gabrielle Belmont.  8)
Sure, why not? We certainly need another heroine in the series...  ;)
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Post by: Flame on September 26, 2013, 01:26:14 PM

Flame:
What moments in particular reminded you of SCIV? I didn't find the two games to have that much in parallel, if not for the trademark whip swing...

Mostly, the somber atmosphere. (and the fact that it used some CV4 music)

Everything before the castle reminded me of CV4 and it's varied environments before the actual castle. The swamp gets particular mention here, as does Veros Woods.  The Castle really doesnt even need mentioning, since that's the one thing everyone agrees feels decidedly like Castlevania.

And yeah, the whip swing is one thing too.

on the CV2 talk, There's also gabriel's outfit. he's wearing Simon's CV2 outfit. Complete with silver boots and gauntlets.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on September 26, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
I'll share a few of my thoughts now, though:
- I still don't think LoS was conceived entirely with classic CV fans in mind. Cox's intentions were far from being a mystery: he had intended, among other things, to bring Castlevania into the mainstream market. And that would involve, he noted, unconventional choices.
- I'm perfectly convinced that many, long-time fans were brought back to the series with LoS; but you can't deny that many more were attracted to the MercurySteam's new blockbuster reboot without exactly knowing much of the series' heritage. I know there to be many new LoS-crazed fans who don't hold Castlevania's past games in particularly high regard.
But that isn't, of course, true for all of LoS's fans (that'd include me ;)). Far from it.

Here's a little snippet from the Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow wiki.

"Unlike most recent Castlevania games, Ayami Kojima did not participate in the character designs for Dawn of Sorrow. Instead, the characters were drawn in a distinctive anime style. This was done due to influence from producer Koji Igarashi, who wanted to market the game to a younger audience."

Basically, he was watering down the look of Castlevania, taking it from an already disputed gothic anime look, to a saturday morning cartoon anime look, in order to make it more accessible to kids.

LOS is a very mature game visually, and plays in a linear fashion like a classic Castlevania game.

Now which developer do you think had the older cv fans in mind?

And a world there was. And yet it was never truly as monumental as it appeared to be. Towering cliffs, thunderous waterfalls, crumbling ruins -- you could feast your eyes on them, but never anything more. You couldn't interact with them; you couldn't explore them; you were literally imprisoned between the insubstantial walls of a linear game. They felt more like decoration, rather than constituting the comprehensive universe I'd expected them to be... Of course, there were those moments when what I saw truly took my breath away. But I'd have even have preferred a slightly smaller world, if I could be given the freedom to wander about, far and wide, unbound.
But it seems LoS2's on the way to right that, though. I'm impatiently waiting to see what it'll be like...

I for one do not see the open world style of play as an improvement. I see it as an alternate style of gameplay, not a superior feature. I liked the fact that LOS was linear like the original Castlevania was. This was another nod to the older Castlevania games in my opinion. It keeps the focus on action, which is my favorite part of CV. When I am playing a game, I prefer to spend my time battling monsters, and overcoming level obstacles- not wandering around a level collecting items and trying to figure out where to go next. I can appreciate that some fans prefer the Simon's Quest, SOTN open world style, but I don't think it makes sense to complain about the style of game LOS is. You might as well pop in Grand Turismo and complain that you can't drive off of the track and onto public streets.




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Post by: Bergaron on September 26, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
I hate these droughts of no info. Here's something in the mean time.

http://www.meagan-marie.com/castlevania/ (http://www.meagan-marie.com/castlevania/)

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Scroll way down for some nicer pics.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lelygax on September 26, 2013, 04:44:58 PM
Why Xena's sister is invading this topic? :P  j/k

Here's a little snippet from the Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow wiki.

"Unlike most recent Castlevania games, Ayami Kojima did not participate in the character designs for Dawn of Sorrow. Instead, the characters were drawn in a distinctive anime style. This was done due to influence from producer Koji Igarashi, who wanted to market the game to a younger audience."

Basically, he was watering down the look of Castlevania, taking it from an already disputed gothic anime look, to a saturday morning cartoon anime look, in order to make it more accessible to kids.

LOS is a very mature game visually, and plays in a linear fashion like a classic Castlevania game.

Now which developer do you think had the older cv fans in mind?

...IGA? Changing characters portrait is one thing, changing everything else is another. xD
If they decide to change something in some product, its better if they change the box than the product itself IMO.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on September 26, 2013, 04:51:24 PM
So while I was in thirst for info I came across footage of the game from the Eurogamer expo. It's the same demo as E3 and TGS but then I noticed something different about it right around the 9:20 mark, can you spot the difference?

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Gameplay Konami Gamers Night 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OMP1RQS7cs#)
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Post by: Zetheraxza on September 26, 2013, 05:04:25 PM
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something different about it right around the 9:20 mark

NAW! Dave Cox actually listened? Not that it was a problem to me but hey! He does listen... but only if he wants to. Then again, maybe it is only a demo.
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Post by: Flame on September 26, 2013, 05:38:44 PM
Ah the optional hint thing. it'll be nice to go through the game without it this time.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 26, 2013, 05:43:07 PM
So while I was in thirst for info I came across footage of the game from the Eurogamer expo. It's the same demo as E3 and TGS but then I noticed something different about it right around the 9:20 mark, can you spot the difference?

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Gameplay Konami Gamers Night 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OMP1RQS7cs#)

1- That's not Eurogamer Expo, that's konami gamer's night.
2- What's different? Optional hints? nice.

What reassures me is that it's 360 footage and framerate is fine.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on September 26, 2013, 06:52:59 PM
1- That's not Eurogamer Expo, that's konami gamer's night.
2- What's different? Optional hints? nice.

What reassures me is that it's 360 footage and framerate is fine.
Hint: No Quick Ti... or at least somes hope for an option to disable them.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 26, 2013, 08:50:25 PM
1- That's not Eurogamer Expo, that's konami gamer's night.
2- What's different? Optional hints? nice.

What reassures me is that it's 360 footage and framerate is fine.
How can you get that from a shitty off-screen footage (on Youtube, which is capped at 30FPS) is beyond me...
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 26, 2013, 09:02:33 PM
Hint: No Quick Ti... or at least somes hope for an option to disable them.
OMG for realz?

Hey, Dave:

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How can you get that from a shitty off-screen footage (on Youtube, which is capped at 30FPS) is beyond me...
It's constant (no stuttering) that's enough for me.!
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Post by: Lelygax on September 26, 2013, 09:16:44 PM
It's constant (no stuttering) that's enough for me.!

Poor Stuttering...
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on September 27, 2013, 02:49:23 AM
Uh, guys, Cox said a while ago QTE's could be disabled.  :rollseyes:
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Post by: Intersection on September 27, 2013, 09:05:18 AM
Here's a little snippet from the Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow wiki.

"Unlike most recent Castlevania games, Ayami Kojima did not participate in the character designs for Dawn of Sorrow. Instead, the characters were drawn in a distinctive anime style. This was done due to influence from producer Koji Igarashi, who wanted to market the game to a younger audience."

Basically, he was watering down the look of Castlevania, taking it from an already disputed gothic anime look, to a saturday morning cartoon anime look, in order to make it more accessible to kids.

LOS is a very mature game visually, and plays in a linear fashion like a classic Castlevania game.

Now which developer do you think had the older cv fans in mind?
Well, IGA...

You know, there's more to classic Castlevania than linearity and visual maturity.
IGA's games left nearly all of Castlevania's original spirit intact. Its gameplay, its design, its atmosphere -- everything was all flawlessly integrated with what gamers knew from the 8-bit titles of old. It came off to most as a natural, enriching continuation of what made the series great.

Lords of Shadow was created as a full-fledged reboot of the series. It had admittedly adopted Castlevania's mantle to give a fresher, entirely newer look to an aging franchise. As such, it strove to keep some of Castlevania's recognizable, evocative atmosphere, but chose to rebuild and readapt the series to create a large-scale, mainstream 3D title. In the way it was made, Lords of Shadow naturally bears far less resemblance to the titles that older fans might have known.
I'll give you a few examples, if you like:
- LoS is a 3D game.
- It uses a heavy, combo-based system for combat. Fighting is done in large, modern-style arena areas, rather than in linear corridors.
- Enemies aren't interspersed throughout all the game's areas, like in previous Castlevania titles; LoS offers extended, combat-free sequences platforming and exploration, and alternates them with intense, combat-exclusive arena fights.
- LoS doesn't smoothly integrate platforming and combat like other Castlevania games did. Its platforming sequences are scripted to the last movement, and its combat doesn't allow for a shrewd interaction with the environment.
Of course, some of these changes were required in order to create a functional 3D title; but those problems naturally occur when you advance that LoS is closer to classic CV...

Here's a little snippet from the Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow wiki.

"Unlike most recent Castlevania games, Ayami Kojima did not participate in the character designs for Dawn of Sorrow. Instead, the characters were drawn in a distinctive anime style. This was done due to influence from producer Koji Igarashi, who wanted to market the game to a younger audience."

Basically, he was watering down the look of Castlevania, taking it from an already disputed gothic anime look, to a saturday morning cartoon anime look, in order to make it more accessible to kids.

LOS is a very mature game visually, and plays in a linear fashion like a classic Castlevania game.

Now which developer do you think had the older cv fans in mind?

I for one do not see the open world style of play as an improvement. I see it as an alternate style of gameplay, not a superior feature. I liked the fact that LOS was linear like the original Castlevania was. This was another nod to the older Castlevania games in my opinion. It keeps the focus on action, which is my favorite part of CV. When I am playing a game, I prefer to spend my time battling monsters, and overcoming level obstacles- not wandering around a level collecting items and trying to figure out where to go next. I can appreciate that some fans prefer the Simon's Quest, SOTN open world style, but I don't think it makes sense to complain about the style of game LOS is. You might as well pop in Grand Turismo and complain that you can't drive off of the track and onto public streets.
By no means is an open world design always an improvement; in many cases, it can severely hurt a game. But in this case, Lords' linearity actually hampered its gameplay quite a bit. Here's what had happened:
Lords of Shadow tried to integrate the experience of a monumental, immersive environment with the focus and direction of a linear game. It offered spectacular views of seemingly boundless domains: lush forests, towering cliffs, crumbling ruins. Yet by its very nature it needed a specific, set path for its character to progress through. As a result, it was forced to set illogical, artificial barriers within the huge environment it had created. We all know the result: invisible walls; identical ledges you can't climb; apparent paths that can't be followed. Even the fixed camera played a role in this; so did the game's rigid platforming. The game proposed a seamless environment, yet expected the player to follow a single, precise path. This led to a lot of unnecessary confusion and frustration -- at best, the player didn't know why he couldn't move in a certain direction; at worst, he simply couldn't figure out where to go. The bottom line: Lords of Shadow could have better assumed its linearity and given the player a more visibly directed experience, all without sacrificing its gorgeous environment. The game partly missed that cue.

But, of course, we must forgive it: Lords of Shadow had many excellent aspects, and, most of the time, succeeds in a creating an enjoyable and cohesive experience. It was a great vision for the series that we would love to see at its full potential in LoS2. Isn't that why this thread exists in the first place?  ;)

Uh, guys, Cox said a while ago QTE's could be disabled.  :rollseyes:
Victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on September 27, 2013, 11:45:34 AM
Hint: No Quick Ti... or at least somes hope for an option to disable them.
Konami leak guy did hint that there is a possibility something like this would be implemented into the game. Apparently the higher ups are the ones who think flashy QTEs are what most people want...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 27, 2013, 01:35:52 PM
Well, IGA...

You know, there's more to classic Castlevania than linearity and visual maturity.
I'd go on to say that true platforming(as in jumping from platform to platform, not plank walking, climbing or shimmying) and nods to horror cinema was far more important aspects to the series(particularly the classics) than linearity and visual maturity. It's one of the reasons I initially got into CV(I'm a big horror movie fan). With the visual nods to Universal monsters, and the film strip intros(even with Bloodlines), I always saw the visual continuity to be mirroring that more of a horror movie(something Hammer-esque) than something dark and mature. Oddly enough, IGA kept true to both those ideas. His 2D games still had platforming(SotN most definitely) and there's still nods to classic horror and horror movies in general(Invisible Man in PoR, Leatherface, er, Mad Butcher in OoE).

Konami leak guy did hint that there is a possibility something like this would be implemented into the game. Apparently the higher ups are the ones who think flashy QTEs are what most people want...

Higher ups are idiots. Always have been, always will be. I think ALL gmes that use QTEs for certain functions should give the option of turning it off. I'm not saying ALL games should do that, though. Games like Heavy Rain are almost built on QTEs, so it's excusable that they keep their's in tact(the entirety of their gameplay COUNTS on it). But, games where you have to push up on the left joystick and down on the right one just to open a door, just make that shit optional to those who get off on that kinda thing. For everyone else, one button push(action button), bloop, door's open! Easy, no fuss, and keeps the pace going!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on September 27, 2013, 05:07:02 PM

IGA's games left nearly all of Castlevania's original spirit intact.


That's opinion, and not all agree with it.

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Its gameplay,
aside from MAYBE HoD, definitely not. They retained the SoTN spirit in tact, not the classic CV feel.

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its design, its atmosphere
again, debatable, given that Ayami kojima took over art design for the majority of IGA's metroidvanias, and we lost the macho Belmont look and B-movie feel of the 80's. Atmosphere is VERY debatable, especially since atmosphere was pretty varied even across the classicvanias.

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-- everything was all flawlessly integrated with what gamers knew from the 8-bit titles of old.
not at all. Again, debatable.

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It came off to most as a natural,
I don't see repeating the SoTN formula over and over with minor tweaks hoping to make lighting strike twice as "natural".

 
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enriching continuation of what made the series great.
post SoTn also seemed to take itself a bit too seriously IMO. The chronology and overarching plot got a bit too convoluted, and came to a head with shit like DoS and PoR. Even OoE, feels a little forced.
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Post by: beingthehero on September 27, 2013, 07:17:53 PM
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post SoTn also seemed to take itself a bit too seriously IMO...and came to a head with shit like DoS and PoR.


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take itself a bit too seriously


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DoS and PoR

ahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

Also the "macho Belmont" died out in '93 after CV X68k. It was then straight-up anime heroes from then on. I guess the rest can be summed up with that classic defense, WELL THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION
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Post by: Lelygax on September 27, 2013, 07:31:12 PM
Sure, this was so serious when happened in the game:

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Post by: Belmontoya on September 27, 2013, 07:42:04 PM
I was gonna respond to Intersection's last post but I got tired half way through it and gave up.

Anyways, Flame's response pretty much sums it up.
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Post by: Flame on September 28, 2013, 12:18:02 AM
Well true. DoS and PoR were cheesy, for sure. part of the little kid appeal I guess.

Also, i dunno, but I still consider Richter the fine line between the manly Belmont and the anime Belmont. he was all anime, but wasn't too far off from a regular Belmont outside of a bandanna and younger looking face.
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Post by: Nagumo on September 28, 2013, 01:51:40 AM
I think the B-Horror movie aesthetics were already dropped after CVI-III. Bloodlines may have the film reel opening, but it became more gothic atmospherically. Similarly, SCIV feels more like the stage of a gothic vampire novel instead of bad cinema slock. The GB titles never adhered to that concept in the first place.     

As for animu in my Castlevania, anime has been part of the series since it's early days. CVI and II had promotional items like phone cards and trading cards that had anime artwork. Even when you ignore Rondo, there was a trend showing it increasingly become more prevailent in the series. Games like Bloodlines and Dracula X quite clearly have an anime flavor to them. I doubt Symphony of the Night actually had that much of an impact on that developement. It was just a spin-off at the time and CV64 was supposed to be the true successor to the previous games. However, they too chose for anime. But what do you expect from a series with roots in Japan?       

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take itself a bit too seriously

Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit ironic?  :P

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Remember this grimdark artwork? Totally like Lords of Shadow.  :P
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Post by: Maedhros on September 28, 2013, 06:13:44 AM
^
They'll say that it's the werstern manuals that matters. I think that this bullcrap of "taking itself seriously" was debunked so many times already, but people will always says otherwise.

A Japanese game will always have anime influences somewhere. I don't remember a big japanese series that didn't have anime influences.
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Post by: Intersection on September 28, 2013, 08:00:05 AM
That's opinion, and not all agree with it.
Yep, it's my opinion...

aside from MAYBE HoD, definitely not. They retained the SoTN spirit in tact, not the classic CV feel.
Well, that's debatable. I think they do.

again, debatable, given that Ayami kojima took over art design for the majority of IGA's metroidvanias, and we lost the macho Belmont look and B-movie feel of the 80's.
Again, debatable. Not all classic CV's had a B-movie, 80's look, you know.

Atmosphere is VERY debatable, especially since atmosphere was pretty varied even across the classicvanias.
Yup, so it's debatable.
not at all. Again, debatable.
Not at all? I wouldn't say that. Debatable, I think you mean.
  post SoTn also seemed to take itself a bit too seriously IMO. The chronology and overarching plot got a bit too convoluted, and came to a head with shit like DoS and PoR. Even OoE, feels a little forced.
Well, that's actually VERY debatable.
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All right, I've had my fun.  ;D The bottom line: of course it's debatable. Everything is debatable. What you wrote, by the way, is also debatable.
But, basically, here was my point: IGA's titles are instantly recognizable as Castlevania games. Take a few seconds of classic CV gameplay, and superpose it with a few seconds of metroidvania gameplay; you'll see that they have a lot in common. No one's saying that they're identical; it wouldn't be very interesting if they were. IGA 'vanias have significant differences with the 8-bit classics of the 80's; but they'll always come off as a perfectly logical continuation.
Though I see your point, of course. Igarashi's games have their own, distinctive style, and how true you find them to be to the series' original spirit them is always a matter of taste, just like anything else.

I was gonna respond to Intersection's last post but I got tired half way through it and gave up.
... ... ... And how does that help?
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Post by: beingthehero on September 28, 2013, 08:32:25 AM
Well true. DoS and PoR were cheesy, for sure. part of the little kid appeal I guess.

Like Haunted Castle?

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4kidsonly

I would murder if something like that would be 2lords2shadow's box art.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 28, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
I think the B-Horror movie aesthetics were already dropped after CVI-III. Bloodlines may have the film reel opening, but it became more gothic atmospherically. Similarly, SCIV feels more like the stage of a gothic vampire novel instead of bad cinema slock. The GB titles never adhered to that concept in the first place.   

I didn't strictly mean B-Horror, but horror cinema(particularly classic, or in the case of the early CVs, up to that point[80s-90s]) as a whole. I thought Bloodlines felt more like something you'd see at that time in horror(particularly Charles Band's Subspecies). The opening scene for SotN(the view of the castle) reminds me of something very Roger Corman-esque. The CV64 games gave me somewhat of a Hammer-feeling. In the end, any one that references the Boris Karloff Frankenstein Monster really is channeling classic horror cinema. CV used that look up to OoE(in the Minera Prison lab). The classics always had staying power and were HIGHLY influential on horror as a whole.
 
^
They'll say that it's the werstern manuals that matters. I think that this bullcrap of "taking itself seriously" was debunked so many times already, but people will always says otherwise.

A Japanese game will always have anime influences somewhere. I don't remember a big japanese series that didn't have anime influences.

I've said this before, I don't think having anime influences is bad, as long as it's GOOD anime(RoB is an great example, as is Bloodlines, which both have an anime style modeled after 80s/early 90s anime that offers great structure, detailing and shading). When it's "garden variety" fluff(which DoS and PoR seems to be more modeled after), that's when I have a problem.

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Post by: Lelygax on September 28, 2013, 10:01:49 AM
Like Haunted Castle?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.texturemonkey.com%2FHCG%2Fblog%2Fhauntedcastle_%252810%2529.jpg&hash=19c2a2b74a828e6caa4a8a3ab3e5cd4b)
4kidsonly

I would murder if something like that would be 2lords2shadow's box art.

This looks like a cover for a bad porno movie.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 28, 2013, 06:41:15 PM
I've said this before, I don't think having anime influences is bad, as long as it's GOOD anime(RoB is an great example, as is Bloodlines, which both have an anime style modeled after 80s/early 90s anime that offers great structure, detailing and shading). When it's "garden variety" fluff(which DoS and PoR seems to be more modeled after), that's when I have a problem.
Bullcrap, 90's anime look like shit. Nostalgia is the only thing that saves it.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 28, 2013, 07:15:40 PM
Bullcrap, 90's anime look like shit. Nostalgia is the only thing that saves it.
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Post by: Belmontoya on September 28, 2013, 10:05:44 PM
Bullcrap, 90's anime look like shit. Nostalgia is the only thing that saves it.

I disagree. A lot of my favorite animes are from the 90's.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 28, 2013, 10:07:32 PM
Bullcrap, 90's anime look like shit. Nostalgia is the only thing that saves it.
Some are good, some are bad. It's not like I'd think Neon Genesis Evangelion, Devil Hunter Yohko, Ranma 1/2(or anything Rumiko Takahashi) Sailor Moon or X/1999(or for that matter, anything CLAMP related) are suitable artstyles for a CV anime look(even though, personally, I like all of those anime respectively, among others like The Slayers, Tenchi Muyo, Outlaw Star, among many MANY others). But something like Genocyber, Ninja Scroll, or Berserk. I wanted to say some, like Wicked City, but that was 80s, as was M.D. Geist and City Hunter.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 29, 2013, 02:01:12 AM
There were a lot of great animes made in the 90s. The recent animes just don't hold very well if you compare them to those made back then. It is not just about nostalgia, I believe there was more thought and less filler episodes. Yes, there are still some good animes nowadays, but they are few and far between. An improvement I can see in today's anime is the proper integration of 3d effects on the show, and much neater lines, since studios are no longer drawing cels by hand.
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Post by: Belmontoya on September 29, 2013, 08:10:34 AM
And what about studio ghibli? Their films from the 90's look incredible today. I read an article where Princess mononoke was recently included in the top ten best animated films of all time.

Everything about that film is flawless. Even the score.

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Post by: shelverton. on September 29, 2013, 09:17:38 AM
And what about studio ghibli? Their films from the 90's look incredible today. I read an article where Princess mononoke was recently included in the top ten best animated films of all time.

Everything about that film is flawless. Even the score.

I know a lot of people seem confused about actual release dates of Ghibli films, especially since many of their older movies get re-releases, and it's not always clear what is an old movie and what's brand new. I'm still not sure and have to check wikipedia everytime a Ghibli film is being discussed... But yeah, most of those films look spectacular, old or new.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 29, 2013, 09:24:22 AM
And what about studio ghibli? Their films from the 90's look incredible today. I read an article where Princess mononoke was recently included in the top ten best animated films of all time.

Everything about that film is flawless. Even the score.
First, I'm talking about the usual budget release animes. Ghibli studio's movies were always ahead of their time.

What I'm talking about is the animation and the art of these animes that were shown on TV. Comparing them to most of the new ones makes them look like joke on these two aspects. I can't even start to say how many bad looking animes I like...

To the end of 90's we started to get some great looking animes. Probably the highest point of anime.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on September 29, 2013, 10:45:21 AM
First, I'm talking about the usual budget release animes. Ghibli studio's movies were always ahead of their time.

What I'm talking about is the animation and the art of these animes that were shown on TV. Comparing them to most of the new ones makes them look like joke on these two aspects. I can't even start to say how many bad looking animes I like...

To the end of 90's we started to get some great looking animes. Probably the highest point of anime.
I'm not talking animation more than I am character design and art direction. One Piece is sure a great anime series(manga too), and the anime has some great animation(fluidity in movement), but I wouldn't say the style is best suited for the CV series. Neither do I feel the same regarding FLCL, Excel Saga, Serial Experiments Lain. An artstyle in the vein of Cowboy Bebop, Spriggan or Blue Gender might work, though.
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Post by: Flame on September 29, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Bullcrap, 90's anime look like shit. Nostalgia is the only thing that saves it.
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Post by: e105beta on September 29, 2013, 06:05:06 PM
Bullcrap, 90's anime look like shit. Nostalgia is the only thing that saves it.

Define "good".

I always thought Ruroni Kenshin was animated pretty well, and I didn't actually watch it until well into the 2000s.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 29, 2013, 06:58:38 PM
Define "good".

I always thought Ruroni Kenshin was animated pretty well, and I didn't actually watch it until well into the 2000s.
It was a very good exception... even then, some episodes were pretty rough. The second ending is GODLY though.
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Post by: Munchy on September 29, 2013, 11:53:27 PM
Konami leak guy did hint that there is a possibility something like this would be implemented into the game. Apparently the higher ups are the ones who think flashy QTEs are what most people want...

Not that QTEs are a deal breaker for me, but I'll believe it when I see it. Would be nice to have that option.



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Post by: Intersection on September 30, 2013, 11:56:58 AM
Well, here's the latest Castlevania article that's popped up on the internet.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/431017/features/history-lesson-castlevania/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/431017/features/history-lesson-castlevania/)
I can't say it brings anything new; the author calls it a "history lesson". Well, it's better than nothing -- and a chance to check if he's got his history down right.

Here are a few choice morsels:

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What was released in 1987 as Castlevania is the NES port of Akumajo Dracula. While Vampire Killer and Castlevania stem from the same title, the NES and MSX birthed very different games.
The powerful NES delivered Akumajo Dracula's side-scrolling action-platforming, but the MSX broke heftier levels into more manageable chunks. The distinction defines the series to this day: what are the explorable keeps of recent Castlevanias if not scrolling maps chopped into more manageable chunks?
The transition from side-scroller to full-on explorable castle - known as the Metroidvania genre - was gradual, a sense of freedom coughing and spluttering through six iterations.
So Metroidvania was actually born with VK MSX? Splendid.

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Strange then, that in 1991 Konami released Super Castlevania IV for the SNES - an action-platformer as linear as they come. Worked on by many staff who soon left to form Treasure, it's an undeniable visual powerhouse, but a step back to the original Castlevania.
(...) Despite Castlevania IV's attempts to drive a stake through the series' RPG leanings (...)

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its 3DS spin-off Mirror Of Fate (coming soon to XBLA and PSN) show there's still life in the Metroidvania genre too.

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In all there have been 40 Castlevania games, with the upcoming Mirror Of Fate 2 marking game number 41.

The bottom line: our editor might need a CV history lesson of his own.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 30, 2013, 05:56:26 PM
Sorry, let's use this thread to discuss LoS 2 ONLY, please.
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Post by: Intersection on October 02, 2013, 04:36:40 AM
Sorry, let's use this thread to discuss LoS 2 ONLY, please.
That's all very well, but it's not exactly as if we've been doing just that for the past few pages.  :P
So I'm sure that I'm not the only to feel frustrated from this extended lack of news... In the meantime, we'll need to hold off with what we already have.

And the article I presented isn't entirely unrelated:
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In all there have been 40 Castlevania games, with the upcoming Mirror Of Fate 2 marking game number 41.
... ... But I'll admit that doesn't get us very far.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 02, 2013, 05:12:15 AM
Well Cox says that he's editing new trailers this month so we're definitly getting a trailer for LOS2 along with MoF HD for Halloween.
 
Also he said he's already working on his next project. Which is totally not Contra.
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Post by: Intersection on October 02, 2013, 05:40:48 AM
Ah, Cox's latest Twitter feed. Well, I'll certainly be waiting for that trailer.
MoF HD? Eh, not so much.

And I can only pray that his next project isn't Contra.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 02, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
Regardless of whether the next project is Contra or not. If it is a remake by Dave Cox, fan reaction phases turn out something like this.

1. Anger
2. Acceptance
3. Some praise
4. (We will see what stage this is after the conclusion of LoS Saga.
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Post by: Lelygax on October 02, 2013, 04:46:50 PM
Except that 2, 3 and 4 doesnt exist for everyone, only some people :P
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 02, 2013, 04:59:09 PM
Regardless of whether the next project is Contra or not. If it is a remake by Dave Cox, fan reaction phases turn out something like this.

1. Anger
2. Acceptance
3. Some praise
4. (We will see what stage this is after the conclusion of LoS Saga.

Speak for yourself.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 02, 2013, 06:05:09 PM
Regardless of whether the next project is Contra or not. If it is a remake by Dave Cox, fan reaction phases turn out something like this.

1. Anger
2. Acceptance
3. Some praise
4. (We will see what stage this is after the conclusion of LoS Saga.

Nah I think most people are gonna be stuck on 1.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 02, 2013, 06:54:07 PM
I was speaking of those who do change their thoughts. Yeah, people stay in stage one too. Sucks putting details on the phone :/.

By the way, I was in MGS forums earlier and they're still mad about David Hayter not playing as Snake. Well, at least you didn't get your franchise rebooted.
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Post by: Maedhros on October 02, 2013, 07:28:40 PM
I'm on 3 with LoS.
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Post by: Munchy on October 02, 2013, 10:01:44 PM
Regardless of whether the next project is Contra or not. If it is a remake by Dave Cox, fan reaction phases turn out something like this.

1. Anger
2. Acceptance
3. Some praise
4. (We will see what stage this is after the conclusion of LoS Saga.

My feelings about LoS are basically 1-3 wrapped in a ball.
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Post by: Flame on October 02, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
I was 2 and 3 from day 1. i was hyped for this new different take, and I was not let down by it. (except the whole false advertising of Dracula being in it saying Die Belmont)
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 03, 2013, 12:53:46 AM
But that is what made the Plot Twist so surprising. You really thought there was Dracula in the end when it was... YOU, ALL ALONG!

Speaking of Plot Twists,

Wrong Number (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5yjrr7OzYk#ws)
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Post by: Chernabogue on October 03, 2013, 01:22:53 AM
It'll be:

1. Some people like it
2. Some people don't like it
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Post by: Intersection on October 03, 2013, 12:07:19 PM
Regardless of whether the next project is Contra or not. If it is a remake by Dave Cox, fan reaction phases turn out something like this.

1. Anger
2. Acceptance
3. Some praise
4. (We will see what stage this is after the conclusion of LoS Saga.
It's not quite as simple as that.

We've all know that passionate enthusiasm; we've all known that baleful anger; we've all fought; we've all struggled; disputed; challenged each other until the very end -- but now our voices have died out, our eyes have lost their glimmer, our words have lost their meaning, and our very spirits have grown cold. Now, three years after it all started, we're exhausted. And who knows? Maybe it's finally time to let it all go...

I've loved Lords of Shadow; and I've hated it. Now, I've praised it and railed against it more times than I could possibly count -- it all converges into a shapeless blur in the back of my conscience. "Why?" I ask myself. "For what purpose?" I wonder. And, as I am writing these words, I can no longer find an answer...
So, what is left? What now remains behind? Had we left anything untouched? Was there anything that our untold fury could not destroy? I looked around, blind once more, staggering -- and then I saw it. It was still there, undamaged, uncorrupted. No, it wasn't a demon; it wasn't a god. No; it was lying there, atop of a small stack of books over my desk. And so I realized: it hadn't changed! No matter how wrenching the heartbreak, no matter how powerful the emotions we had poured into it, hour after hour, day after day, it had persisted. It had persisted, because that was all that it could do. I looked at it once more, and all those illusions, all those faces, all those strange apparitions that had haunted me for so long all crumbled, melted away. In their place, laying in front of me, stood... a game. Nothing more, nothing less.

So why am I telling you this? Why did I choose to weave that story out of the fabric of my imagination?
Well, to tell you the truth, it's because I think it's time we regained our piece of mind. For the better or for the worse, I have come to terms with Lords of Shadow. I've come to understand it for what it is, no matter how violent my misgivings might be. Yes, it is acceptance, but not the one you seem to prescribe, Zetheraxza; it is one of a different kind. Too long have we been in the fray; it is time we pulled back. From where I'm looking at it, I see something truly interesting, and I smile at it, knowing that that's all that matters.
Soon, Lords of Shadow will have ended. Soon, Castlevania will move on to different realms and different worlds. And soon, it will be time for us to follow its call -- now, we need to look to the future, and not to the past.
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 03, 2013, 01:31:53 PM
I think anyone who has ever struggled with accepting the direction of a game franchise should consider making their own fan game.

It was that frustration with cv that inspired me to start creating not only my own fan game of cv, but to create my own fan made cv universe.

I've felt that cv needed a reboot for some time now, but I don't think ms went about it the way I would have liked them to. I realized that if I wanted to see cv go in the direction I wanted it to, I would have to start it myself. Luckily I have found some talented people to work with along the way.

But creating a cv fan game has also sparked an interest in other cv fan games. They have become my bread and butter for cv. Having my own outlet for creativity with castlevania makes LOS more enjoyable for what it is.



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Post by: Flame on October 03, 2013, 03:31:12 PM
So basically, you kind of see LoS as Cox/MS' CV fangame?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 03, 2013, 03:36:07 PM
I think anyone who has ever struggled with accepting the direction of a game franchise should consider making their own fan game.

It was that frustration with cv that inspired me to start creating not only my own fan game of cv, but to create my own fan made cv universe.

I've felt that cv needed a reboot for some time now, but I don't think ms went about it the way I would have liked them to. I realized that if I wanted to see cv go in the direction I wanted it to, I would have to start it myself. Luckily I have found some talented people to work with along the way.

But creating a cv fan game has also sparked an interest in other cv fan games. They have become my bread and butter for cv. Having my own outlet for creativity with castlevania makes LOS more enjoyable for what it is.

Ah, but you only say that because the series is currently going in your favor. It's so easy to look down when you are at the top with a particular accepted taste/trend. But nothing lasts forever. So you would've made your own game had MS and Cox never stepped in and vanquished the night?
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 03, 2013, 04:06:51 PM
I wouldn't say it's going in my favor at all. My favor would be a classicvania with new hi-res artwork and expanded gameplay mechanics and a fresh start on the story.

I had the ideas in my head for my game back around the time curse of darkness came out. That was the point that i really started getting frustrated with cv. It was a long time after that before I actually started working on The Rise of Castlevania.

When I stared working on the games I wished Konami would make, I stopped worrying or caring if Konami did it themselves. With that expectation out of the way, I was able to become more receptive to what Konami does with the official franchise.

I'm so immersed in the storyline I've written for CV, that it has almost become the new official storyline in my mind. Haha.

But I wouldn't say I consider LOS a fan game, though I think the storyline we have for ROC is a much more realistic way to tell the story of CV. I also think it would be better received by longtime fans.

But I'm able to be excited for anything Konami does or plans because I have my own base covered, ya know?

There's also so many other great fan games in the works right now. There's a lot to be excited for!
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Post by: Intersection on October 04, 2013, 10:19:28 AM
It was that frustration with cv that inspired me to start creating not only my own fan game of cv, but to create my own fan made cv universe.

I've felt that cv needed a reboot for some time now, but I don't think ms went about it the way I would have liked them to. I realized that if I wanted to see cv go in the direction I wanted it to, I would have to start it myself. Luckily I have found some talented people to work with along the way.
Ah, so you've made your own fan games. Any chance I could have a look at them?
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 04, 2013, 01:38:30 PM
Oops bad wording. No I have only worked on Rise of Castlevania. I created music and some sound effects for Castlevania The Lecarde Chronicles, but that is the only other game I have have been a part of. Mig, the programmer of that game is also the programmer of ROC, which is being built on a modified engine of The Lecarde Chronicles.

ROC has gone through many transformations to get where it is conceptually. It features new and all original art, music, story characters, pretty much new everything.

We will be showcasing something new from the game soon.

But this isn't the right thread to discuss it, I apologize for the derail.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 04, 2013, 10:30:52 PM
Finally some news. Well, a picture but is this open world enough for ya?
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Post by: Kingshango on October 04, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
That is artwork from LOS1 my friend.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 04, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
'walks of shame'
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Post by: Asgardwolf on October 05, 2013, 07:50:27 AM
Dracula`s Theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-2MG52wog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-2MG52wog)
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Post by: shelverton. on October 05, 2013, 09:05:54 AM
Dracula`s Theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-2MG52wog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-2MG52wog)

The first minute would've been kinda great in a new Shadowgate game.
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Post by: Flame on October 05, 2013, 02:15:14 PM
YES, I've been waiting to hear this theme apart from the trailer.

I love the piano work on it. I could actually potentially see this in a classic CV game. Especially when the full orchestra chimes in.
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Post by: Chernabogue on October 06, 2013, 01:12:02 AM
This is very, very good.
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Post by: Dremn on October 06, 2013, 09:29:15 AM
Dracula`s Theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-2MG52wog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-2MG52wog)
Probably one of the best Dracula themes ever, I rank it up there with IV's.
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Post by: Intersection on October 06, 2013, 09:44:20 AM
It's a very nice theme, for what it is.
But, of course, is was made-to-order for the trailer, so it doesn't have the depth or the substance we'd expect from that piece. It's pretty far from the visceral impact of SCIV's Dracula Battle theme. Still quite enjoyable, though.
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Post by: Rugal on October 06, 2013, 09:47:12 AM
meh
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Post by: Flame on October 06, 2013, 10:29:04 AM
Probably one of the best Dracula themes ever, I rank it up there with IV's.
Isn't Dracula's theme in SCIV just the game intro theme?

It's a very nice theme, for what it is.
But, of course, is was made-to-order for the trailer, so it doesn't have the depth or the substance we'd expect from that piece. It's pretty far from the visceral impact of SCIV's Dracula Battle theme. Still quite enjoyable, though.
seems that way. That said, It's likely not a battle theme at all. probably play during cutscenes or non battle moments in general. I'm wo0ndering if Victor will have his own battle theme though.

I don't know about you, but I fail to see how SCIV's Dracula theme has "Visceral Impact". It feels just as much like a Cutscene piece as this one does. (because it is)
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Post by: Kingshango on October 06, 2013, 10:30:29 AM
Sounds like something that fit right into a Castlevania intro. Figures considering this theme plays in the main menu.
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Post by: Lelygax on October 06, 2013, 10:42:14 AM
Isn't Dracula's theme in SCIV just the game intro theme?

1st phase uses the normal stage music from this area, 2nd phase (skull face) uses Simon Theme, so you are more or less right I think. :P

I dont think this LoS2 Dracula's Theme is the best theme of all times, I prefer Dance of Illusionsm Riddle or even Vampire's Stomach.
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Post by: Intersection on October 06, 2013, 10:48:34 AM
Isn't Dracula's theme in SCIV just the game intro theme?
It feels just as much like a Cutscene piece as this one does. (because it is)
No, it's far more than that, although it is teased in the game's intro. It's a full battle theme, one you hear in the throne room, during your fight with Dracula.
Dracula Battle: Super Castlevania 4 Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM-4V12JLbk#)

I don't know about you, but I fail to see how SCIV's Dracula theme has "Visceral Impact".
Ah, maybe I didn't choose my words right. It's eerie, unnerving, yes -- but it also has that capacity to seize you, to take hold of you, to instantly draw up emotion... It's rather difficult to explain; but that's more of what I meant by "visceral impact".

I'm wo0ndering if Victor will have his own battle theme though.
I certainly hope he will. If he doesn't, he'd certainly be the first...
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Post by: Flame on October 06, 2013, 11:53:12 AM
personal opinion then. The Dracula theme in SCIV is definitely eerie, but I think it works better in the intro cutscene. It REALLY makes an awesome atmosphere what with the fog and all. But as a boss the,me it's a very passive theme, which makes it not that great for me.

And it's actually the stage theme for the final flight of steps into the keep... I don't think that counts as a Boss theme. That's like counting Sigma's first form theme in X6 as Sigma's theme, when it's used in the stage right before the boss.

IMO Simon's theme is the real Dracula battle theme.

That's one thing that always sort of bothered me about SCIV. Such great music... But yet... It doesn't have an actual REAL boss theme for Dracula... It uses the intro/castle keep theme and then Simon's theme. What gives? they run out of money at the last minute on music?
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 06, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
I don't really think these themes are comparable.

SC4's music is a legend. It's like the Beatle's white album of video game music.

LOS and LOS2 music is delicate, and very introspective to Gabriel. It's a completely different approach to creating video game music.

Comparing the music of these two games is like comparing apples to oranges.

Obviously this new version of Dracula's theme is a beautiful piece. Why not appreciate it for what it is without trying to draw up broken comparisons just to take it down a notch?

You don't have to lower your expectations to appreciate the work of Oscar Araujo; you have to shift them.


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Post by: Kingshango on October 06, 2013, 12:16:05 PM
Jeff's right, besides Dracula's theme new theme is not meant to be battle music like SCV4's was. It's eerie and sets the tone for the game as it should, it definitely better than the epic LotR sounding main menu theme in LOS1.
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Post by: flyingchai on October 06, 2013, 12:47:25 PM
It's just his theme, which will occur again in other tunes throughout the game, much like the main theme did in LOS1.
Dracula's theme is heard again in "Return of Final Confrontation," but with a significantly different feeling to it.
This 2-minute piano version represents the tragic Dracula in a state of despair and without power.
The version in the "Return of Final Confrontation" belongs to the Dracula that's back at his Ultimate Badass state.

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Post by: e105beta on October 06, 2013, 12:49:44 PM
It's just his theme, which will occur again in other tunes throughout the game, much like the main theme in LOS1.
Dracula's theme is heard again in "Return of Final Confrontation," but with a significantly different feeling to it.
This 2-minute one represents Dracula in a state of despair, powerless, tragic.
The version in the final battle music belongs to a Dracula that's back at his Ultimate Badass state.

I really liked the chunk of it we hear in "Return of Final Confrontation". It added a little bit of flavor to the extremely bombastic Satan battle theme.
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Post by: Maedhros on October 06, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
Pretty great melody on this music. :)
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Post by: Flame on October 06, 2013, 09:06:55 PM
Jeff's right, besides Dracula's theme new theme is not meant to be battle music like SCV4's was.

I still don't consider it battle music, but that's just me. I dunno what the devs thought when they composed it.
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Post by: Intersection on October 07, 2013, 04:52:40 AM
And it's actually the stage theme for the final flight of steps into the keep... I don't think that counts as a Boss theme. That's like counting Sigma's first form theme in X6 as Sigma's theme, when it's used in the stage right before the boss.

IMO Simon's theme is the real Dracula battle theme.

That's one thing that always sort of bothered me about SCIV. Such great music... But yet... It doesn't have an actual REAL boss theme for Dracula... It uses the intro/castle keep theme and then Simon's theme. What gives? they run out of money at the last minute on music?
SCIV isn't the only game to have done that. In fact, many CV Dracula incarnations have been given different themes for their different forms.
Among the more famous ones, there's Nothing to Lose and Black Night in CV, Dance of Illusions and Proof of Blood in CoTM, A Toccata into Blood Soaked Darkness - Metamorphosis to the Black Abyss of Death in CoD... And CV64 and LoD have a whole slew of them.

So it's far from being an isolated case.
As for SCIV, since Simon's Theme is, well, Simon's theme, it isn't hard to tell that Dracula Battle is Drac's "REAL" theme. And it plays throughout most of Simon's final battle.
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Post by: The Silverlord on October 07, 2013, 04:59:15 AM
I still don't consider it battle music, but that's just me. I dunno what the devs thought when they composed it.

I think what they did there is tremendous: eerie side being Dracula’s theme, with the player also drawn back to and reminded of the prologue and Dracula's resurrection—the reason for the quest; Simon’s Theme: culmination of the adventure, and rather than Dracula being centre stage, it's Simon.  Dracula’s destruction is at hand.
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 07, 2013, 06:20:23 AM
Dance of Illusions is still king BUT this theme is amazing.

And I hope you remember we already heard the battle form of it

Castlevania Concert in the Play Fest Festival "The Return of Final Combat" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDc69I1nPs#)
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Post by: Shiitake on October 07, 2013, 07:07:46 AM
I think what they did there is tremendous: eerie side being Dracula’s theme, with the player also drawn back to and reminded of the prologue and Dracula's resurrection—the reason for the quest; Simon’s Theme: culmination of the adventure, and rather than Dracula being centre stage, it's Simon.  Dracula’s destruction is at hand.

Wow, elegant read! I really like how you put that.
 
I beat the game not a week ago. At the end, I drawn back to prologue just like you said and felt strange and complex feelings. It was also sad because when I heard the theme I realized that the one of most enjoyable CV games I've ever played is about to end. Then Simon's theme started and changed to mood, but it was a nice shift and overall satisfying end.

It also made me feel sorry for Dracula, maybe for the first time. Because when I fight him while hearing the prologue music, the image of his forgotten gravestone couldn't get out my mind.
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Post by: Flame on October 07, 2013, 08:01:14 AM
SCIV isn't the only game to have done that. In fact, many CV Dracula incarnations have been given different themes for their different forms.

Except all of those are actually exclusively battle themes, where the Dracula theme in SCIV is used twice before then, in the intro, and the Castle Keep. It's not a unique piece in that regard.
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Post by: Intersection on October 07, 2013, 09:04:46 AM
Dance of Illusions is still king BUT this theme is amazing.

And I hope you remember we already heard the battle form of it

Castlevania Concert in the Play Fest Festival "The Return of Final Combat" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDc69I1nPs#)
Interesting. I wasn't aware they hosted a LoS2 concert.
Yet the major drawback of these formal musical performances is that the music that's being interpreted was never meant to be played in a formal setting in the first place. It was composed to give a suitable ambiance to a large-scale battle, not to be performed on its own.
Listen to Araujo's suite. It's almost gruesomely tedious and repetitive. And that has nothing to do with the composer's skill or musicality -- it just has to do with the role his music was supposed to play. Most of his piece is a monotonous stream of insistent, agitated musical beats, rolling across different instruments to give it an illusion of variety. That's perfectly suited for a battle, but it's practically infuriating when listened to on its own.
This pattern remains uninterrupted until halfway through the fourth minute, when the music momentarily dies down to return forcefully with an impressive tutti. Here, we get occasional bribes of Drac's melody, along with sweeping orchestral roars predictably orchestrated through voice and brass. But there's very little substance to it; its only purpose was to give the player a feeling of exaltation during an inspiring battle, and provides very little melodic depth to the piece. It's essentially the blaring trumpets and choirs you'd hear in a Lord of The Rings theme; it "wows" you for a moment, but doesn't exactly keep you listening.

Don't get me wrong here; Araujo is by no means a bad composer. It takes a great deal of talent to capture a sense of atmosphere as well as he did in Lords of Shadow. The only problem here is a conceptual one -- video game music isn't created for stage performance, and in most cases shouldn't be formally interpreted... It belongs in the game itself, where it can thrive.

Except all of those are actually exclusively battle themes, where the Dracula theme in SCIV is used twice before then, in the intro, and the Castle Keep. It's not a unique piece in that regard.
Dracula's theme in SCIV is unique. It it only teased earlier in the game, never entirely fleshed out. In the intro, it instantly seizes the game's eerie, foreboding tone, but doesn't show more -- take as a kind of foreshadowing, if it's appropriate. And it's only in Simon's final encounter that those vague fears materialize. It's probably the most unique Dracula theme in the series.
As for Simon's Theme, Silverlord is right. Once Dracula reaches his 'second form', Simon now has the upper hand, and his theme follows to bring the battle to a close, just as it opened it at the game's beginning. It's some extraordinary musical planning that I haven't found in any other CV.
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Post by: Flame on October 07, 2013, 09:37:33 AM
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Dracula's theme in SCIV is unique. It it only teased earlier in the game, never entirely fleshed out. In the intro, it instantly seizes the game's eerie, foreboding tone, but doesn't show more -- take as a kind of foreshadowing, if it's appropriate. And it's only in Simon's final encounter that those vague fears materialize. It's probably the most unique Dracula theme in the series.
I just don't buy that logic. That's not "teasing". It's just asset reuse. Either it's supposed to be a Dracula theme or an intro theme, who knows, but it's used for both. IMO, and this goes back to what someone here said about LoS in comparison to SCIV, SCIV has a similar "sinister" kind of moody feel to it, like a movie. It's soundtrack is deep and fleshed out, not just catchy chiptunes, some stages have 2 different tracks to them depending on the area. Definitely ambitious. When it comes to Dracula, instead of just pulling out a Dracula battle theme, they keep the eerie mellow theme from the intro, playing in the castle keep. It's actually stage music, not boss music playing... To make you feel like this is it, this is the end. Then Simon starts kicking ass, and we get his theme playing for triumphant feels.

Either way, We'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't consider SCIV's "Dracula theme" to be his theme at all, but the Intro theme reused for the final area.
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Post by: Rugal on October 08, 2013, 06:18:46 AM
Dance of Illusions is still king BUT this theme is amazing.

And I hope you remember we already heard the battle form of it

Castlevania Concert in the Play Fest Festival "The Return of Final Combat" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDc69I1nPs#)

This sounds like evil clown music to be honest with you.
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Post by: shelverton. on October 08, 2013, 06:51:34 AM
This sounds like evil clown music to be honest with you.

Now all I see when listening to it is Kefka from Final Fantasy 6. Or Dhoulmagus from Dragon Quest 8. And a crazy laughter in the background :D

But anyway, I can accept boss battles sounding like this in a Castlevania game. In my personal opinion, it's unbearable to listen to - yes, I dislike it a lot - but for evil bosses it's tolerable and makes sense. I can listen to the final boss music from pretty much any Castlevania, but this will not be listened to outside the game. I'd go mad.

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Post by: Chernabogue on October 08, 2013, 08:03:29 AM
This sounds like evil clown music to be honest with you.
This sounds like evil troll to be honest with you.  ;)

Seriously, this sounds really awesome, and it'll be even better on the OST.
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Post by: Rugal on October 08, 2013, 10:11:19 AM
Except that I am not trolling. I'm giving an honest opinion.

The fact that Shelverton partially agreed with me should have at least given you that inclination, no? I mean, it's great that they have a full orchestra and all, but again the music just sounds very stock and outright bad at times. Again, just an opinion.

If you want well done game orchestrated music, go check out how they redid the Kingdom Hearts soundtrack with the 1.5 HD release.
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Post by: Intersection on October 08, 2013, 11:06:48 AM
I just don't buy that logic. That's not "teasing". It's just asset reuse. Either it's supposed to be a Dracula theme or an intro theme, who knows, but it's used for both. IMO, and this goes back to what someone here said about LoS in comparison to SCIV, SCIV has a similar "sinister" kind of moody feel to it, like a movie. It's soundtrack is deep and fleshed out, not just catchy chiptunes, some stages have 2 different tracks to them depending on the area. Definitely ambitious. When it comes to Dracula, instead of just pulling out a Dracula battle theme, they keep the eerie mellow theme from the intro, playing in the castle keep. It's actually stage music, not boss music playing... To make you feel like this is it, this is the end. Then Simon starts kicking ass, and we get his theme playing for triumphant feels.

Either way, We'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't consider SCIV's "Dracula theme" to be his theme at all, but the Intro theme reused for the final area.
Hm. I think we actually agree here, but our opinions are inverted.  ;D
We both agree about the asset reuse, but I see Dracula's theme being reused in the intro, and you see it the other way around.
The way I'm looking at it makes me feel that there's some intricate foreshadowing at work; the way you're looking at it makes you believe the developers were simply lazy. But I still think I've chosen the more... poetic point of view.

In any case, I'm entirely on par with you as to the general soundtrack. It was a subtle but compelling change of pace among the other CV titles. And that's one of the things that makes it so unique.

As for the LoS soundtrack, they might very well be comparable, but I still feel LoS's music adapted to its atmosphere in a very different manner.
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Post by: The Silverlord on October 08, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
I just don't buy that logic. That's not "teasing". It's just asset reuse.

Also can't argue about them re-using two BGM pieces during the battle.

I think there's a tendency to interpret the term 'asset re-use' in a negative context, as it seems deeply disparaging; i.e. that not enough thought or time and effort was put into something.

I simply don't see the re-use of these two themes in that negative light, or see the necessity of a single battle theme in their place.  That's not to say that wouldn't have worked, or made the battle even better.  But I think the finale was by design.  Everything about that final level has been carefully thought through.

Furthermore, the sound team were certainly good enough they could have created another piece, had they wanted to.  That last level features many BGM pieces.

BTW, I love the fact that Sumac +1'd your post, if I recall correctly, he loves Castlevania asset re-recycling.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 08, 2013, 02:42:22 PM
Except that I am not trolling. I'm giving an honest opinion.

The fact that Shelverton partially agreed with me should have at least given you that inclination, no? I mean, it's great that they have a full orchestra and all, but again the music just sounds very stock and outright bad at times. Again, just an opinion.

If you want well done game orchestrated music, go check out how they redid the Kingdom Hearts soundtrack with the 1.5 HD release.
I actually agree with you. It sounds like something I can see fitting into a Final Fantasy movie. Now that I think of it, so does the Dracula Theme. The Dracula Theme, in particular, has a melodic hook not unlike the kinds you'd hear from Uematsu or Shimomura. The heavy use of chanting almost post-FFVII Uematsu(it seems like since One-Winged Angel, he always finds an excuse to put chanting in some of his epic themes or final boss battles, especially Latin chanting).
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Post by: Chernabogue on October 08, 2013, 03:02:38 PM
If you want well done game orchestrated music, go check out how they redid the Kingdom Hearts soundtrack with the 1.5 HD release.
Already did, thanks for the tip. (Even if most of the tracks aren't featuring real instruments.)

Guess we all have different opinions, that's all.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to give the OST a good listen.
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Post by: Munchy on October 08, 2013, 05:09:00 PM
This sounds like evil clown music to be honest with you.

Hm... I'm not super impressed with it either, but "evil clown" is how I would describe Danny Elfman's music. This sounds more like Araujo waved his hand at the orchestra and said, "Well, uh, make something menacing sounding. I dunno. C'mon guys, chop chop, lunch is in fifteen minutes." Of course, this isn't to disparage the quality of the orchestra. But you know the saying - good actors can't save a bad script. (I wouldn't say "bad" in this case... more like lukewarm.)

I don't like LoS music outside of the context of the game though, so that might explain it.

Although "Return of Final Combat" sounds like a fucking amazing game title in itself.
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 08, 2013, 08:51:13 PM
Yeah I'm not a SUPER FAN of this track either, Final Confrontation was better, it has its moments though. I /guess/ that the final battle is so dan intentse and full with flashy stuff that he was ordered to make the track the less distracting possible. I want to believe.
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Post by: Flame on October 08, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
I myself love that concert video.

What I DO notice though, is it feels like they took 2 or 3 different themes from the game and stuck them together to make one big theme.
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Post by: Lelygax on October 09, 2013, 04:38:46 AM
This sounds like evil clown music to be honest with you.

Haha, truly a gives a "joker" vibe.

P.S: Sumac is back. I've noticed this because he is downvoting Rugal lol

BTW, I love the fact that Sumac +1'd your post, if I recall correctly, he loves Castlevania asset re-recycling.

So someone else noticed him too xD
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Post by: shelverton. on October 09, 2013, 08:49:23 AM
I noticed you can't see your "respect" anymore. Or anyone else's for that matter. Not that I ever had much to begin with. I can't recall ever downvoting anyone ever btw. Killing people with kindness is the new black :)

Now, about the LoS2 music: I wanna hear more of that "electronic vibe" that supposedly will be in this game. A little beat never killed anyone, and it could help giving a bit of focus to the slightly aimless compositions of the LoS saga. Though maybe I shouldn't except "beats" at all, more like ambient, electronic noises here and there...
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Post by: Kingshango on October 09, 2013, 09:43:12 AM
You can hear the electronic synchs a bit clearer in this video.

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 Gameplay - TGS 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMhyCwlRQo#)
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Post by: Intersection on October 09, 2013, 10:49:00 AM
I noticed you can't see your "respect" anymore. Or anyone else's for that matter. Not that I ever had much to begin with. I can't recall ever downvoting anyone ever btw. Killing people with kindness is the new black :)
What happened to the respect system? It vanished from one day to the next...

Now, about the LoS2 music: I wanna hear more of that "electronic vibe" that supposedly will be in this game. A little beat never killed anyone, and it could help giving a bit of focus to the slightly aimless compositions of the LoS saga. Though maybe I shouldn't except "beats" at all, more like ambient, electronic noises here and there...
Be careful what you wish for. A more 'electronic' vibe doesn't guarantee any sort of focus; if anything, it's precisely the kind of music that often degenerate into that aimless noise you're so critical of.

In any case, the ball is in Araujo's side for the moment. We should probably hold back until we actually do get the chance to listen to his score...
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Post by: Bergaron on October 09, 2013, 11:17:49 AM
You can hear the electronic synchs a bit clearer in this video.

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 Gameplay - TGS 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMhyCwlRQo#)

HAHAHA, I love comments Rugal in youtube, this man does not rest, it reminds me of "Don Quijote" I like him simply because he is determined and he keeps trying.
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Post by: Lelygax on October 09, 2013, 11:45:16 AM
What happened to the respect system? It vanished from one day to the next...

Yes, like... a month ago. :P
We had a thread discussing about people abusing respect points, like making a second account only to downvote even more a person. So Jorge decided to do this.
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Post by: Intersection on October 09, 2013, 11:57:36 AM
Yes, like... a month ago. :P
We had a thread discussing about people abusing respect points, like making a second account only to downvote even more a person. So Jorge decided to do this.
Ah well. It was fun while it lasted. Votes, after all, are there to promote a post, not a person.
Though it's always nice to have some bragging rights...

HAHAHA, I love comments Rugal in youtube, this man does not rest, it reminds me of "Don Quijote" I like him simply because he is determined and he keeps trying.
Extraordinary. Now that's commitment.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 09, 2013, 01:33:07 PM
HAHAHA, I love comments Rugal in youtube, this man does not rest, it reminds me of "Don Quijote" I like him simply because he is determined and he keeps trying.

If he could he probably would fly out to Konami Europe HQ, burst into Cox's office and say "YOU SUCK" and leave.

But enough of picking on the guy for his determination, the demo for LOS2 is suppose to hit around Halloween I think, or right around the time of the LOS collection.
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Post by: Maedhros on October 09, 2013, 04:04:59 PM
Rugal is worse than cancer. Totally worth putting on ignore. Well, Sumac too.

There's a big difference in giving opinions and being on a crusade against something.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on October 09, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
But enough of picking on the guy for his determination, the demo for LOS2 is suppose to hit around Halloween I think, or right around the time of the LOS collection.
I don`t think it will come out before the LOSC release this november 5th. Have no sence give away one of the collection attractives. From CV`s Facebook:

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
The Castlevania: Lords of Shadow collection will be available in North and South America starting November 5th for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360!

Included are Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Reverie and Resurrection DLC, Mirror of Fate HD and the exclusive demo for Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2!

This demo will prob`lly be avaible only in this pack for some time...
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 09, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
I don`t think it will come out before the LOSC release this november 5th. Have no sence give away one of the collection attractives. From CV`s Facebook:

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
The Castlevania: Lords of Shadow collection will be available in North and South America starting November 5th for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360!

Included are Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Reverie and Resurrection DLC, Mirror of Fate HD and the exclusive demo for Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2!

This demo will prob`lly be avaible only in this pack for some time...
Wait, why did they move the relase? Bergaron pls
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Post by: Bergaron on October 10, 2013, 01:02:11 AM
realmente no se porqué se retrasa una semana, el juego es gold y está listo hace tiempo. Supongo que es por temas de distribución, eso habria que preguntarselo a los directivos de MS y Konami.
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Post by: Rugal on October 10, 2013, 05:24:09 AM
I love you guys. I'm worse than cancer? Well that's a new one. So, I'm worse than cancer because I don't like the same video game you do and have strong opinions about it? Ok.
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Post by: Nagumo on October 10, 2013, 05:40:12 AM
Let's not get into that. Carry on, please.   
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Post by: Flame on October 10, 2013, 07:07:32 AM
consider EA was voted worst company in America. worse than oil companies or banks.

gaming crowd has strong opinions :P
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Post by: Kingshango on October 10, 2013, 07:42:20 AM
Hell hath no fury like a pissed gamer. No even a scorned woman would dare cross them.

Im pretty sure there's a "Forever alone" joke in there somewhere.


Me personally, I've never been mad at a franchise going in a different direction. Disappointed? Maybe. But I've never been furiously upset by it. But that's just me though, can't speak for anyone else.
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Post by: e105beta on October 10, 2013, 08:55:08 AM
I just want this game to come out already.

Also (since I'm probably the only guy here getting MoF:HD) isn't the demo supposed to come with MoF:HD? That's what I heard at least.
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Post by: shelverton. on October 10, 2013, 09:09:06 AM
(since I'm probably the only guy here getting MoF:HD)

Nah, I'm probably getting it too. I'm curious how it plays and looks on a big screen. Chances are I won't play through the entire game again, but maybe a bit. I hated controlling that game on a 3DS, so it should be safe to say that the HD version will be a better experience for me.
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Post by: Flame on October 10, 2013, 09:20:30 AM
ill be getting it three. i don't have a 3ds. thank capcom for that, ninty.
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 10, 2013, 09:35:40 AM
Rugal is worse than cancer. Totally worth putting on ignore. Well, Sumac too.

There's a big difference in giving opinions and being on a crusade against something.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtSgyzDe.jpg&hash=37f50e04d1b286375e2075d66d95c4b0)
Don't be a bully,be a star...lol
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Post by: Shiitake on October 10, 2013, 09:36:41 AM
I'm definitely getting it too. I don't have 3DS, never had a chance to try it before, so it's kind of a new game to me.
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Post by: Flame on October 10, 2013, 12:09:10 PM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q87/s720x720/1378884_10153311333265697_534082944_n.jpg)

http://www.konami-castlevania.com/art-contest/ (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/art-contest/)
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Post by: Intersection on October 10, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
http://www.konami-castlevania.com/art-contest/ (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/art-contest/)
What? How are "Alucard" and "Trevor Belmont" expected to star at the same time?
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Post by: Asgardwolf on October 10, 2013, 12:54:45 PM
What? How are "Alucard" and "Trevor Belmont" expected to star at the same time?
Young Trevor has been show several times during the trailers.
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Post by: Nagumo on October 10, 2013, 01:03:43 PM
Looks interesting. Also the first time Lords of Shadow somewhat harks back to the style of the NES games, wheter it's intentional or not.
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 10, 2013, 01:09:24 PM
What? How are "Alucard" and "Trevor Belmont" expected to star at the same time?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130724054503%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2F2%2F20%2F1000px-E3-2013_trevor.jpg&hash=fe3b6d901d7308d61c01af1f0fa374b6)
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Post by: Dremn on October 11, 2013, 06:04:03 AM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q87/s720x720/1378884_10153311333265697_534082944_n.jpg)

http://www.konami-castlevania.com/art-contest/ (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/art-contest/)
This is really cool, reminds me of how the NES games have intros that reflect the original horror films.
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Post by: Lelygax on October 11, 2013, 06:54:01 AM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q87/s720x720/1378884_10153311333265697_534082944_n.jpg)

http://www.konami-castlevania.com/art-contest/ (http://www.konami-castlevania.com/art-contest/)


Cox Arts (like in Lucas Arts  xD)
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Post by: Kingshango on October 11, 2013, 07:33:18 AM
Is that horror movie esq poster official or fan made?

Because I want it.
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Post by: Chernabogue on October 11, 2013, 07:43:36 AM
Is that horror movie esq poster official or fan made?

Because I want it.
Official. They're going to release more.
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Post by: Flame on October 11, 2013, 09:33:07 AM
by the by, the poster is based on

(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/s720x720/1385277_10151690239978596_1502781458_n.jpg)
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Post by: Bergaron on October 13, 2013, 02:19:25 AM
http://gamingbolt.com/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-interview-how-the-sequel-will-be-bigger-and-better-than-the-original (http://gamingbolt.com/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-interview-how-the-sequel-will-be-bigger-and-better-than-the-original)

Reporter: Ravi Sinha: Will any classic Castlevania characters like Alucard be making an experience this time around? Will Lords of Shadow 2 introduce other “rebooted” elements like the original did?

Dave: All will be revealed very soon…!
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Post by: JR on October 13, 2013, 02:55:13 AM
Whoa, that's a pretty awesome poster. Really captures the spirit of the original games, in my opinion. I'd love to put something like this on my wall.
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Post by: A-Yty on October 13, 2013, 03:56:44 AM
Quote
The original Castlevania: Lords of Shadow was one of the best games this generation. Featuring an intriguing story line, fascinating cast of characters and the best elements of gameplay from several popular franchises, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow is a game that you need to play.

So when MercurySteam and Konami announced the sequel, we became intrigued on how they can possibly better the original?

Am I the only one who thinks this is a terrible way to start an article? Especially considering game "journalism" in general is ridden with bias & sucking up. It sounds like a damn sales pitch. You're supposed to write interestingly, not make the game sound interesting. That's the responsibility of the people who make the game.

I mean, at least pretend you're objective. Or make it clear that this is only the writer's opinion.
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Post by: Bergaron on October 13, 2013, 08:44:22 AM
That is debatable, for example, for me, and I speak only for myself, LOS1 is the best Hack & Slash of this generation (and I know more people who think the same). So, I can understand that the author of this article thinks the same. I see no problem in that it expresses.
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Post by: VladCT on October 13, 2013, 09:03:55 AM
Still, opinions shouldn't be presented in a way that makes it sound like it's fact. At least add something to the statement that identifies it as an opinion.
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 13, 2013, 09:57:15 AM
All a review can ever really be is an opinion anyways, so what's the big deal? I never read reviews expecting to get solid facts. I read them to get opinions. I thought that's what the purpose of a review was. Unless the reviewer is talking about a bug in the game, or something about the gameplay mechanics, story, or music, then you are getting an opinion.

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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 13, 2013, 10:30:11 AM
All a review can ever really be is an opinion anyways, so what's the big deal? I never read reviews expecting to get solid facts. I read them to get opinions. I thought that's what the purpose of a review was. Unless the reviewer is talking about a bug in the game, or something about the gameplay mechanics, story, or music, then you are getting an opinion.
I agree. It's also not like this is the worst example of journalistic bias. There are far worse gaming journalists out there. Look at the Microsoft sympathizers during the XBONE reveal who criticized the public's reaction and were praising Microsoft for everything they were doing, that they can do no wrong and that the public were idiots for not joining in and supporting XBONE. Now, I'm not saying liking XBONE is wrong, but the way some of those journalists acted(especially towards their own readers and gamers in general) is. Some even ranted after Microsoft gave in and changed XBONE, complaining how it was OUR fault why gamers can't have good things. LOL!

This LoS reviewer, with his "so-called" bias is not even a blip on the radar compared to the other douches out there. 
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Post by: Flame on October 14, 2013, 08:40:31 AM
Here comes another LoS2 movie poster, the first of the fan art ones

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: knightmere on October 14, 2013, 09:13:47 AM
Anyone else rooting for this game to bomb?  If the sales are bad enough we may get a new direction for the series.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 14, 2013, 09:22:23 AM
Anyone else rooting for this game to bomb?  If the sales are bad enough we may get a new direction for the series.
Well, the next one's going to be a new take nonetheless. The thing is, when an installment of a franchise bombs, the companies almost NEVER relate that to people disliking a certain installment over people just lacking general interest in the franchise altogether. It's stuff like that that results on companies abandoning a certain franchise or tossing it into a vault until some day they can revive it. That's kinda what happened to the Breath of Fire franchise with Dragon Quarter, and now, BoF6 is a F2P mobile game. I'm sure that's what happened with Devil May Cry too(DmC didn't sell to their expectations, and they think that means nobody's intererested in the DMC series anymore, so "get your ass into that vault... you're a failure!!").
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Post by: Flame on October 14, 2013, 09:59:02 AM
Anyone else rooting for this game to bomb?  If the sales are bad enough we may get a new direction for the series.
That's a terrible strategy that never works.

I would hope it does well, so we get more CV games.

Also, excuse you, but I'm perfectly happy with the LoS series and the direction it took, so no.
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Post by: VladCT on October 14, 2013, 10:04:23 AM
The thing is, when an installment of a franchise bombs, the companies almost NEVER relate that to people disliking a certain installment over people just lacking general interest in the franchise altogether. It's stuff like that that results on companies abandoning a certain franchise or tossing it into a vault until some day they can revive it. That's kinda what happened to the Breath of Fire franchise with Dragon Quarter, and now, BoF6 is a F2P mobile game. I'm sure that's what happened with Devil May Cry too(DmC didn't sell to their expectations, and they think that means nobody's intererested in the DMC series anymore, so "get your ass into that vault... you're a failure!!").
Fail corporate mindset is fail. Fuck you, suits.
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Post by: flyingchai on October 14, 2013, 10:45:48 AM
Anyone else rooting for this game to bomb? 

No.

....well that's the end of that fuckin conversation.
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Post by: e105beta on October 14, 2013, 10:53:35 AM
It's the safe mentality. When you're investing millions of dollars into game development, it's not exactly a safe bet to invest into the series that just bombed when you have much more profitable avenues.

I wouldn't plan on this bombing, though. LoS did great and this only looks better.
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Post by: A-Yty on October 14, 2013, 11:02:42 AM
Anyone else rooting for this game to bomb?  If the sales are bad enough we may get a new direction for the series.

I'm indifferent to its success. But that's because I seriously doubt bombing would make Konami re-evaluate Castlevania and start treating it how it deserves to be treated. They've let Silent Hill crash and burn years ago. Castlevania might be on the road of becoming something to pass around and let constantly changing average-at-best developers take a shot at it and ride its name. All they really seem to have steam and interest in is MGS. And if Kojima had not managed to intergrate himself to its success so strongly, the main series would meet the same fate as Rising.
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Post by: Nagumo on October 14, 2013, 11:13:52 AM
I think we will get a new direction one way or another. Maybe I'm too naive, but I have a hard time imagining the next team who will work on the series wouldn't attempt at least a little bit too bring it back to it's original aesthetics and what made it charming in the first place.
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Post by: Intersection on October 14, 2013, 01:07:07 PM
Hey, we're talking Castlevania here. We don't all love LoS, but that's a very poor reason to hope for it to fail. Believe me -- if LoS2 bombs, then we're all done for.

Castlevania should be changing direction no matter what. Cox's been clear about the end of LoS's life span; the series shouldn't be staying in place much longer. So there's absolutely no reason to be so defeatist.
Now, of course, if the next CV does turn out to be a LoS spin-off, then it'll be a whole different story...

Here comes another LoS2 movie poster, the first of the fan art ones

(click to show/hide)
Cool art.
Though I'm in the dark as to why we're having "Vistas Zobek"...
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Post by: A-Yty on October 14, 2013, 02:28:09 PM
All a review can ever really be is an opinion anyways, so what's the big deal? I never read reviews expecting to get solid facts. I read them to get opinions. I thought that's what the purpose of a review was. Unless the reviewer is talking about a bug in the game, or something about the gameplay mechanics, story, or music, then you are getting an opinion.

We're talking about an interview, not a review.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 14, 2013, 04:50:21 PM
Anyone else rooting for this game to bomb?  If the sales are bad enough we may get a new direction for the series.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fwhat.png&hash=ce2500d844419c72e763bbf05a1c2e7c)

I don't think it works like that dude.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 14, 2013, 05:10:52 PM
It's the safe mentality. When you're investing millions of dollars into game development, it's not exactly a safe bet to invest into the series that just bombed when you have much more profitable avenues.

I wouldn't plan on this bombing, though. LoS did great and this only looks better.
The problem I have is, usually, the companies push the blame on the fans/consumers. "Oh, it's not OUR fault! YOU people obviously didn't support it enough! YOU are the reason we aren't making any of those games anymore!". Some cases, I can buy it that fan support has waned. But, I call bullshit if those accounts in making a certain game fails because of devoloper bullshit. If you make a new installment of a beloved franchise and it plays terribly, it's not the fan's/audiences' fault they don't want that piece of shit. Hell, it doens't even have to play like shit, it could just be wearing a idea thin with little to no innovation. They won't identify that it's their own fault for this. No, it's passed on to the fanbase("Hey, I guess the fans aren't around anymore! They are bored of the series, so..."). Developers, for what ever bonehead decisions they make, should be held accountable for the games they make. Especially when it comes to franchises that were at one point accept and hailed as being good.

 Companies would do anything to save face, even by resorting to that. Of course, don't think I'm talking about LoS. I might not care for the games, but I don't believe it fits under THIS example.  :)

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Post by: Maedhros on October 14, 2013, 07:29:45 PM
It's the safe mentality. When you're investing millions of dollars into game development, it's not exactly a safe bet to invest into the series that just bombed when you have much more profitable avenues.

I wouldn't plan on this bombing, though. LoS did great and this only looks better.
Don't worry, it WILL bomb (as in much less than what they were expecting). Lots of reasons why, the main one being that the first was divisive enough, which means that not everyone that bought the first will get it again.

It'll sell good enough though.

And considering the game has 0 marketing and hype besides the fanboys and internet dwellers...
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Post by: shelverton. on October 14, 2013, 08:07:34 PM
Don't worry, it WILL bomb (as in much less than what they were expecting). Lots of reasons why, the main one being that the first was divisive enough, which means that not everyone that bought the first will get it again.

It'll sell good enough though.

And considering the game has 0 marketing and hype besides the fanboys and internet dwellers...

Yeah, I don't see it selling over a million copies (PS3/360 combined) like the last game. I predict 500 000 copies total. Like you said, not everyone who bought the first game will buy this, and those who didn't get LoS1 will probably not jump in for the sequel. Well, some will, but I don't see many people doing that. This is, after all, not GTA or Assassin's Creed. Sequels generally don't perform as well as the first game.

On top of that, one might wonder if releasing Mirror of Fate on consoles is such a great idea. Modern gamers, unfamiliar with the LoS saga might try it and decide that LoS is not for them (even if they would potentially like LoS2 much better. They would write the series off as a rough-looking 2D platformer and not give LoS2 a chance.)

I am personally more interested in LoS2 than either of the previous two games, but I don't see it sell a lot. I don't see reviews being great either. Possibly in the 6.5-7.5 range at best.

Though I know absolutely nothing about this. Just speculating for lack of better things to do.
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Post by: e105beta on October 14, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
Don't worry, it WILL bomb (as in much less than what they were expecting). Lots of reasons why, the main one being that the first was divisive enough, which means that not everyone that bought the first will get it again.

It'll sell good enough though.

And considering the game has 0 marketing and hype besides the fanboys and internet dwellers...

The first one wasn't as divisive as some people like to think. It's just divisive among people who frequent Castlevania forums, ignoring all of the mainstream appeal it gained. Also, I don't see how you can say it has 0 marketing and hype considering how much more hyped its been getting than LoS...
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Post by: Neobelmont on October 14, 2013, 10:15:24 PM
los in japan got commercials...... why did los not get commercials over here in the west? That baffles me  ???
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on October 15, 2013, 02:21:28 AM
Konami might be trying too hard to appeal to the Japanese gamers who are not that much into Castlevania.
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Post by: Maedhros on October 15, 2013, 02:58:53 AM
The first one wasn't as divisive as some people like to think. It's just divisive among people who frequent Castlevania forums, ignoring all of the mainstream appeal it gained. Also, I don't see how you can say it has 0 marketing and hype considering how much more hyped its been getting than LoS...
Read one topic about LoS on Neogaf or Reddit or any gaming portal commentary section and you'll see if I'm wrong...
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 15, 2013, 06:53:41 AM
Nah it wasn't that divisive, it's the usual anti los defense force that is very vocal, like tomb raider haters. It's not a DmC case where fans were really offended by heart, most of us did just fine.
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Post by: Rugal on October 15, 2013, 09:08:08 AM
It won't bomb, but it won't be very good either. You seriously can't expect too much from a compulsive liar. The only ones that really absolutely adore LoS are people that don't have the best tastes in action games, or just haven't played any of the many better ones out there.

As for Cox saying he wants to end his series of Castlevania.. Again, compulsive lying. How much of that can we really take as truth?
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Post by: Kingshango on October 15, 2013, 10:34:53 AM
The only ones that really absolutely adore LoS are people that don't have the best tastes in action games, or just haven't played any of the many better ones out there.

I put in hundreds of hours into Ninja Gaiden Black, Ninja Gaiden 2, Devil May Cry 1,3 and 4, Bayonetta and is currently kicking ass in The Wonderful 101 and I liked Lords of Shadow and Lords of Shadow 2 is one of my most anticipated games of 2014.
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Post by: Nagumo on October 15, 2013, 10:47:22 AM
Nah it wasn't that divisive, it's the usual anti los defense force that is very vocal, like tomb raider haters. It's not a DmC case where fans were really offended by heart, most of us did just fine.

And your evidence to support your thesis, professor?  :P

From personal observation on sites NeoGAF and Gamefaqs, I noticed a lot of polarizing comments on the game. For example, Portrait of Ruin got quite a bit of flack here if I remember correctly, but not really anywhere else. This is definitely not the case with Lords of Shadow.   

Also, let's not argue over wheter or not liking Lords of Shadow is a sign of good taste.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on October 15, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
Julius Belmont?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on October 15, 2013, 11:22:11 AM
That's one of the fan-submitted posters...isn't it?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on October 15, 2013, 11:27:10 AM
My main concern for LOS2 is it's release date. I think there will be a lot of new PS4 and XBOX ONE owners who won't want to buy a game made for the old gen consoles. I think a lot of gamers will be wanting to spend their money on games for their new consoles. If anything, I think this will affect the sales of LOS2.

Still, I'm predicting it will do as well as it's predecessor, if not a little better.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on October 15, 2013, 11:42:30 AM
Julius Belmont?
lol so much for the surprise
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That's one of the fan-submitted posters...isn't it?
Nope that one is official
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And your evidence to support your thesis, professor?  :P
Well we did not launch a petition :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on October 15, 2013, 11:51:58 AM
Welp, cat's out of the bag. I believe Cox claimed that he won't be using the name Julius before, didn't he?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on October 15, 2013, 12:11:27 PM
So that's not fan made?

Welp, someone made a oopsie.

Well since the secret is out, I'll go ahead and make the call, Julius was Victor's father and was killed during.....whatever the hell happened while Dracula was sleeping.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on October 15, 2013, 12:35:11 PM
So that's not fan made?

Welp, someone made a oopsie.

Well since the secret is out, I'll go ahead and make the call, Julius was Victor's father and was killed during.....whatever the hell happened while Dracula was sleeping.
I still don't think Victor is modern day Belmont.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on October 15, 2013, 01:00:52 PM
I still don't think Victor is modern day Belmont.

I dunno, the tattoo's on him look pretty modern.

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(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.castlevaniacrypt.com%2Fgames%2Flos2%2Fimages%2Fss%2F037.jpg&hash=10765d702ee28f2182887ae6677a889c)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.castlevaniacrypt.com%2Fgames%2Flos2%2Fimages%2Fss%2F038.jpg&hash=cd8d8e39228888c7d080b04d46e3e3f8)

Plus he does say that he's the last Belmont left. But then again I've been wrong about this type of stuff before so who knows what Shalamaladingdong twist Mercurysteam has up their sleeves.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on October 15, 2013, 02:18:43 PM
Isn't that Gabriel on the left?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on October 15, 2013, 02:54:06 PM
Yeah, I don't see it selling over a million copies (PS3/360 combined) like the last game. I predict 500 000 copies total. Like you said, not everyone who bought the first game will buy this, and those who didn't get LoS1 will probably not jump in for the sequel. Well, some will, but I don't see many people doing that. This is, after all, not GTA or Assassin's Creed. Sequels generally don't perform as well as the first game.
Not quite. We're talking about a very different situation here.
MercurySteam had done well in establishing itself with its new Castlevania 'reboot'. Within the space of a single game, Lords of Shadow had managed to propel Castlevania into the major market spotlights, and had even taken off to a decent amount of critical acclaim. So, naturally, the series is now at the peak of its media hype, with gaming institutions and modern fans alike crowing in anticipation for the sequel. MS would be out of its mind not to take advantage of a situation like this one.
To top it off, ever since Cox announced the end of his involvement, LoS2 started to appear less as a generic, derivative sequel and more as MS's definitive take on Castlevania. In more ways than one, it's acting as a finale, and it's been generally received as such.
From what I've seen, Lords of Shadow isn't showing any signs of decline. I expect to see even higher sales for the sequel.

On top of that, one might wonder if releasing Mirror of Fate on consoles is such a great idea. Modern gamers, unfamiliar with the LoS saga might try it and decide that LoS is not for them (even if they would potentially like LoS2 much better. They would write the series off as a rough-looking 2D platformer and not give LoS2 a chance.)
You'd think even the most oblivious of "modern gamers" would have the sense to read about MercurySteam's newest 3D hack n' slash title before dismissing its 2D, handheld spin-off. Regardless, porting Mirror of Fate to consoles isn't a very wise choice, judging from its lackluster reception and its poor sales.

I am personally more interested in LoS2 than either of the previous two games, but I don't see it sell a lot. I don't see reviews being great either. Possibly in the 6.5-7.5 range at best.
I'm seeing something in the 8+ range, with 9+ reviews if it's pulled off right. It definitely has that potential.

My main concern for LOS2 is it's release date. I think there will be a lot of new PS4 and XBOX ONE owners who won't want to buy a game made for the old gen consoles. I think a lot of gamers will be wanting to spend their money on games for their new consoles. If anything, I think this will affect the sales of LOS2.

Still, I'm predicting it will do as well as it's predecessor, if not a little better.
By the time LoS2 is released, most gamers will still be using their old consoles. If anything, it's a smarter choice to keep it on current-gen. And it won't be the only franchise to have done so.


But Julius? I thought we already had Victor?
I'll have nightmares about what strange "plot twist" Cox will be trying out next... If he does to Julius what he did to Trevor, I think I'll collapse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on October 15, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
What are talking about intersection? Its coming out after both new consoles which are both sold out of reseverves. A ton of people are going to be getting the new consoles, or saving up for one of them. Theres no way this isn't going to effect a game coming out on the old consoles at least a little bit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on October 15, 2013, 04:38:58 PM
What are talking about intersection? Its coming out after both new consoles which are both sold out of reseverves. A ton of people are going to be getting the new consoles, or saving up for one of them. Theres no way this isn't going to effect a game coming out on the old consoles at least a little bit.
Not all the people is interested in the new consoles... Like me.... there are no games of my interest on the new generation yet... all the games i hoping for are coming to ps3 too. Metal Gear Solid V, Guilty Grear Xrd, Assassins Creed IV, Watch Dogs and of course my Beloved Street Fighter will get and update next year... There are plenty of reasons for some people to stay in this generation a bit longer... Even more is there will be Castlevania on it...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Puritan on October 15, 2013, 05:59:27 PM
Isn't that Gabriel on the left?

Man, forget Gabriel. What's Cyclops doing in Castlevania? Or did I miss some new character reveal?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on October 15, 2013, 06:20:55 PM
Nah it wasn't that divisive, it's the usual anti los defense force that is very vocal, like tomb raider haters. It's not a DmC case where fans were really offended by heart, most of us did just fine.
Yeaaahh... no.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on October 15, 2013, 07:18:17 PM
It won't bomb, but it won't be very good either. You seriously can't expect too much from a compulsive liar. The only ones that really absolutely adore LoS are people that don't have the best tastes in action games, or just haven't played any of the many better ones out there.

As for Cox saying he wants to end his series of Castlevania.. Again, compulsive lying. How much of that can we really take as truth?
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg153%2F975%2F8k73.jpg&hash=56da1ea3446ebaa8d55fd7d27d2f88d9)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on October 15, 2013, 10:23:53 PM
How does that guy look like Julius? I see no beard and he's wearing some kind of an Astronaut/HAZMAT suit... Or am I just blind?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on October 15, 2013, 10:41:44 PM
We can speculate that:
1. "Julius" is the true name of Victor.
2. Victor is the last Belmont that he himself knows, he might not know that Julius, another Belmont exists
3. The kid that is supposed to be Trevor is Julius
4. Julius was just written to bring speculation and he does not even exist in game.
Feel free to add more.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on October 15, 2013, 10:44:10 PM
We can speculate that:
1. "Julius" is the true name of Victor.
Watch it be this one
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on October 15, 2013, 11:07:30 PM
I knew it was Gabriel/Dracula, it's taken from this artwork:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc00.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Fi%2F2013%2F187%2F9%2Fa%2Fcastlevania_lords_of_shadow_2_by_vgwallpapers-d6cac0o.jpg&hash=271fa94ce6a58fbd9abfa51cff2ba568)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on October 16, 2013, 12:08:30 AM
I'm willing to bet that Julius might just be a name tossed in a scroll somewhere or mentioned as part of Victor's backstory or something, but without actually showing him, just so's people shut up about Julius Belmont and LoS2 being 1999
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on October 16, 2013, 12:18:28 AM
4. Julius was just written to bring speculation and he does not even exist in game.
I don't think Cox is the kind of guy who'd pull off an Ed Boon. So far his proven explicit lies deny things that are in the games, not the other way around.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on October 16, 2013, 02:53:33 AM
[img]http://imageshack.us/a/img153/975/8k73.jpg[ /img]

Well, the part about Cox possibly possibly lying/misdirecting/bending the truth about LoS ending might very well turn out to be true. I'll believe it when there's an actual game out that does not have anything to do with LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on October 16, 2013, 09:36:37 AM
Here's what Cox's next great plot twist will look like:

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OR:

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How about this one:

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Oh, and this one:

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Here's another one:

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And now, for the great reveal:

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Seriously, though. You'll notice the newest poster's roster doesn't even mention Victor. That's more than enough to suggest that we'll be actually getting some variation of the "Victor is Julius" reveal.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on October 16, 2013, 09:44:43 AM
And now, for the great reveal:
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Oh man, my sides will fly off the galaxy if that really were the case.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on October 16, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
Well this is turning into Trevorcard 2.0. Love it.

I'll go ahead and make another call.

Julius is Victor's dead twin brother that was killed in 1999. During this battle, Victor was about to be killed but Julius steps in and save him by sacrificing his life. Victor walks away with only only a wounded right eye and the only Belmont living. The tattoo on Victor's chest is a tribute to his fallen brother.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on October 16, 2013, 10:43:37 AM
Calling it now: you are all wrong. :P

Most likely this poster was made before they decided to change Julius into Victor, which supports what leak guy said, I believe. Also, Cox said he didn't want to use elements from IGA's timeline anymore, so I have a hard time believing they would use him. Besides, if he really was in the game, they would have revealed him first in order to appeal to all the fanboys.

Pretty sure Victor is also from the past since he fights young Gabula, instead of his older incarnation.

 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on October 16, 2013, 11:06:26 AM
I think that those posters are part of a contest where fans design them to be published in the konami page, unless I got it wrong. On the other hand, Julius was considered but at an Iga's request, Julius was dropped from this saga. When Victor said in the trailer that he is the last of his illustrious bloodline, I'm guessing that they were ''exterminated'' not long before Dracula's resurrection, and I would believe that Zobek could be blamed for that, so Victor is a survivor of a ''Belmont purge''. Why is he the last? how did he lose his eye? I think they were ambushed. Just food for thought :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on October 16, 2013, 11:11:25 AM
I love how people are going berserk on "OMG it's Julius" or "Julius is Victor", while the dude on the poster is just Dracula...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on October 16, 2013, 12:01:43 PM
Calling it now: you are all wrong. :P

Most likely this poster was made before they decided to change Julius into Victor, which supports what leak guy said, I believe. Also, Cox said he didn't want to use elements from IGA's timeline anymore, so I have a hard time believing they would use him. Besides, if he really was in the game, they would have revealed him first in order to appeal to all the fanboys.

Pretty sure Victor is also from the past since he fights young Gabula, instead of his older incarnation.

 
Oldbula becomes gabula like 2 hours into the game, you can see it in the trailer when Gabriel enters that "teleporting room"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on October 16, 2013, 12:49:11 PM
Victor appeared in the Gamescom trailer, right?

Quote from: Cox
The game takes place mostly in the city. We only showed mostly castle stuff because we’re not ready to show the city. The game takes place in one night, it’s a night when Satan comes back to the Earth. A night of chaos, a night of the apocalypse.

He's talking about the Gamescom trailer. So, that's another reason why I don't think that part took place in modern day. We'll see soon enough, I guess.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on October 16, 2013, 01:56:28 PM
In the "Belmont's Revenge" screenshot where Victor fights Dracula, THERE ARE LIKE FREAKING POST-IT-NOTES ON THE DAMN WALL. A modern invention. >_>
For me it's always been obvious that Victor is modern, and the only event we see that happened in the past is the prologue, the battle against the Titan and the Golden Paladin.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on October 16, 2013, 04:26:38 PM
Not sure how I feel about Julius being in this game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on October 16, 2013, 04:54:43 PM
And it just occurred to me, I recall the leak guy saying that there was gonna be another surprise aside from Victor and that it will be revealed at a later date. Maybe Julius was the surprise but Mercurysteam jumped the gun on the reveal early.

This also indirectly confirms that we're getting a new trailer either this week or next. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on October 16, 2013, 05:26:32 PM
Hopefully it actually is a new trailer and not just the same one we've been getting with remixed footage.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on October 16, 2013, 11:21:42 PM
Hopefully it actually is a new trailer and not just the same one we've been getting with remixed footage.
This.

I guess they'll release the trailer on Halloween, with the LoS soundtrack/collection/thing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on October 17, 2013, 06:00:01 AM
I love how people are going berserk on "OMG it's Julius" or "Julius is Victor", while the dude on the poster is just Dracula...

Hehehe. I know that is Dracula's face in the poster. We are just looking at the name that was written somewhere below, thus triggering the speculations.

I guess they'll release the trailer on Halloween, with the LoS soundtrack/collection/thing.

Perhaps. I am really looking for more new tidbits of info coming from the trailer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on October 17, 2013, 12:55:14 PM
Now i guess this was a fan art too:
Julius Belmont?
I just figured out when i saw this new one. All of them are fan made and they´ll be giving away the one who gets more likes. So the Julius Belmont hint was a mistake from the artist.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on October 17, 2013, 02:43:25 PM
This poster campaign is one of the coolest things Konami has ever done for Castlevania. Makes me wonder why they ever bothered to get rid of the horror film aesthetic post SotN.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on October 17, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
This poster campaign is one of the coolest things Konami has ever done for Castlevania. Makes me wonder why they ever bothered to get rid of the horror film aesthetic post SotN.

makes me want to frame them.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on October 17, 2013, 06:03:28 PM
Ahahaha this is too good. Gabriel with Lugosi's facial features (and that smile) is just too fun. All this classic horror in my LOS, I love it. It's a pretty nice thing to do for the series that has largely drawn influence from old monster movies. This one's just the icing on the cake as it's THE Dracula poster.

EDIT: by the way, you know you can just link to the image, right? You don't need to screenshot it. Just right click > Copy image location and that gives you a direct link to the image. (which you can put in [img] tags)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on October 17, 2013, 07:42:43 PM
by the way, you know you can just link to the image, right? You don't need to screenshot it. Just right click > Copy image location and that gives you a direct link to the image. (which you can put in [img] tags)
I know but i do it this way to show the castlevania los facebook description about the contest, discarting Julius theory... There is some text on my previous post, i see you didnt read it or my bad english is hard to understand, not just the picture.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on October 17, 2013, 10:56:54 PM
No LotR poster? lol

(I know, they're looking for horror movies)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on October 18, 2013, 04:29:15 AM
This poster campaign is one of the coolest things Konami has ever done for Castlevania. Makes me wonder why they ever bothered to get rid of the horror film aesthetic post SotN.

More like post CV3.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on October 18, 2013, 06:54:56 AM
More like post CV3.
I think more post SCVIV.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on October 18, 2013, 08:15:15 AM
They brought it back with Chronicles' arrange intro, with the grainy 1930's style movie feel.

CV 2 didn't have much of a horror movie feel either and skewed closer to the general Gothic feeling of the late 90s/00s CV games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on October 18, 2013, 08:42:24 AM
They brought it back with Chronicles' arrange intro, with the grainy 1930's style movie feel.

CV 2 didn't have much of a horror movie feel either and skewed closer to the general Gothic feeling of the late 90s/00s CV games.
???

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz323/nesavenue/castlevania2_2.jpg (http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz323/nesavenue/castlevania2_2.jpg)

http://www.retrogamecases.com/wp-content/uploads/nes_castlevania2simonsquestredacted_front.png (http://www.retrogamecases.com/wp-content/uploads/nes_castlevania2simonsquestredacted_front.png)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: A-Yty on October 18, 2013, 09:09:34 AM
Well, that's the cover and a Nintendo magazine. Sure, it was still a bit of movie style in it, but overall CV2 had pretty eerie parts and it was genuinely darker than CV.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on October 18, 2013, 10:05:06 PM
They brought it back with Chronicles' arrange intro, with the grainy 1930's style movie feel.

CV 2 didn't have much of a horror movie feel either and skewed closer to the general Gothic feeling of the late 90s/00s CV games.
Well, start screen and prologue still have movie reel borders.
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Post by: Nagumo on October 19, 2013, 04:47:56 AM
I see CV1 - 3 as "Überwald gothic", which fits very well with the horror movie aesthetic. Afterwards, I think the games gradually moved to the romantic part of the gothic spectrum.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on October 19, 2013, 09:03:27 AM
So if we are getting a new trailer, I think it will probably be released on Halloween.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on October 19, 2013, 09:31:45 AM
So if we are getting a new trailer, I think it will probably be released on Halloween.

Most likely.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jestercolony on October 19, 2013, 11:24:09 PM
I am actually curious about something, something that has been on my mind for a few months now. I actually forgot my twitter password and the email I used it for, is pretty much ghosted (I no longer use it, and don't remember the password for it.) But, I am slightly curious as to if left over experience from LoS1 (to upgrade Gabriel's skills) would carry over to LoS2? Kinda like, what they did for GoW1 for GoW2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on October 20, 2013, 05:47:41 AM
I am actually curious about something, something that has been on my mind for a few months now. I actually forgot my twitter password and the email I used it for, is pretty much ghosted (I no longer use it, and don't remember the password for it.) But, I am slightly curious as to if left over experience from LoS1 (to upgrade Gabriel's skills) would carry over to LoS2? Kinda like, what they did for GoW1 for GoW2.

Wouldn't that conflict with the fact that Gabe is supposed to be weakened in this game?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on October 20, 2013, 08:17:42 AM
I don't know if he has all of his skills from LOS1 but in the demo he does have the more upgraded versions of his attacks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on October 20, 2013, 01:17:54 PM
The demo is also the prologue/tutorial to the game. It does the Metroid thing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: shelverton. on October 20, 2013, 03:21:30 PM
I don't know if he has all of his skills from LOS1 but in the demo he does have the more upgraded versions of his attacks.

Unless the game has you going back and forth between past and present, after the tutorial stage (which is likely the demo) Gabula will become Oldbula/Crapbula, stripped of all his powers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on October 21, 2013, 11:30:05 AM
Dracula Gabriel is sexy as fuck. No homo.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on October 21, 2013, 12:04:53 PM
Dracula Gabriel is sexy as fuck. No homo.
Oh, indeed he is. I'd be like, take me, I don't care.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on October 21, 2013, 05:24:03 PM
So....maybe I'm going to be alone in this onw, but I distracted myself during a boring meeting at work with this potential spoiler of an idea for LOS2:

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on October 21, 2013, 06:06:34 PM
So....maybe I'm going to be alone in this onw, but I distracted myself during a boring meeting at work with this potential spoiler of an idea for LOS2:

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I'd say that is very likely. It would be a fitting end.
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Post by: Dremn on October 21, 2013, 07:19:38 PM
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Post by: Ahasverus on October 21, 2013, 07:23:51 PM
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Marie = Sonia

Wait what
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on October 22, 2013, 03:34:45 AM
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I agree with this.  :)

Marie = Sonia

Well, I prefer this ending.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on October 22, 2013, 07:54:44 AM
I think I'd rather have Marie come down from heaven as a sort of angel to release Gabriel from his immortality as a reward for saving the world from Satan (assuming he actually saves it and doesn't enslave/destroy humanity afterward).
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on October 22, 2013, 09:35:51 AM
Sonia = Marie would be cool, but if you see in the trailer the places where Carmilla and Marie are set, they're apparently in the same place, so I'm guessing that the actual Marie is an illusion. Also Cox said somewhere that the game will be set in the past, present and illusions. Nevertheless, I also think that Marie will be reincarnated and she may end Gabriel's existence.
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Post by: Neobelmont on October 22, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
Dracula Gabriel is sexy as fuck. No homo.


All OF THE HOMO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwN0gcfrSxs#ws)
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Post by: Flame on October 22, 2013, 06:24:23 PM
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q81/s720x720/1379834_10153347581745697_619038235_n.jpg)
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Post by: Dremn on October 22, 2013, 07:12:50 PM
These posters are seriously amazing.

I swear I will be done with Konami if Castlevania becomes the new Silent Hill, I love this series too much man. :[
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Post by: Chernabogue on October 23, 2013, 01:05:44 AM
They should draw inspiration from what the fans are doing.
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Post by: Flame on October 23, 2013, 11:45:25 AM
Actually, I think most of those are official

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1377046_10153354730825697_270129622_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on October 23, 2013, 11:53:55 AM
Some very impressive work is being done with these posters. They could easily cover Konami's advertising campaigns.

They're even a decent spoiler source; I doubt Konami would officially release these posters if they weren't consistent with LoS2. So let's try to identify the characters as they come.

(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q81/s720x720/1379834_10153347581745697_619038235_n.jpg)

From bottom left, moving clockwise:
1. Skeleton (?)
2. Oldbula/Crapbula (credit Shelverton for the names)
3. Victor Belmont
4. Trevor Belmont
5. Zobek
6. Toy Maker
7. Marie
8. Chupacabra (?)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on October 23, 2013, 12:35:59 PM
7. Marie
I think it's Carmilla.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on October 23, 2013, 12:44:15 PM
I think it's Carmilla.
I doubt it. Carmilla was killed by Gabriel back in LoS1.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on October 23, 2013, 12:46:33 PM
I doubt it. Carmilla was killed by Gabriel back in LoS1.
Like Marie... they both will appear in LOS2 but the one on the poster is Carmilla.
Actually, I think most of those are official

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1377046_10153354730825697_270129622_n.jpg)
All of them are fanmade, at the end of the contest Konami will choose the winner art.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on October 23, 2013, 12:46:49 PM
^Thanks ^^
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on October 23, 2013, 01:43:04 PM
Like Marie... they both will appear in LOS2 but the one on the poster is Carmilla.
Well, I seem to be behind on everything, don't I?
So I had seen her in the trailer, but I hadn't made the link. That certainly clears up my "mystery woman" nonsense. My apologies.
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Post by: Flame on October 24, 2013, 10:35:30 PM
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380838_10153347603390697_848549756_n.jpg)
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Post by: Nagumo on October 25, 2013, 07:17:35 AM
That's my favorite one so far. I like how it strays from the dark colors that all the other posters use. Also, the artwork is both elegant and very haunting. I think I wouldn't mind if they used a style like that in the future. Is this based on the poster from the remake of Nosferatu?   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on October 25, 2013, 09:56:12 AM
based on this

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.impawards.com%2F1979%2Fposters%2Fnosferatu_the_vampyre.jpg&hash=a554a7237d62ad64ed83ac66ed79c8ab)

Like Marie... they both will appear in LOS2 but the one on the poster is Carmilla.All of them are fanmade, at the end of the contest Konami will choose the winner art.

Actually, they are NOT fanmade. These are official Konami/MS posters. One of these will be the prize for their poster contest.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 25, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
I did a poster too for the contest for fun even though I am ineligible because I live in the US.

I put it on the LOS Facebook page and they put me as the #1 top comment!
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Post by: Kingshango on October 25, 2013, 05:37:22 PM
Read though some impressions from those brave enough to buy MoFHD and got confirmation that you can disable QTE's.  :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 25, 2013, 05:54:17 PM
Actually, I think most of those are official

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1377046_10153354730825697_270129622_n.jpg)
What movie poster is that based off of?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on October 25, 2013, 10:47:04 PM
Ok, so I just played the demo, and oh my word, this game is already better than LoS. Obviously its the E3 demo, so some of this may be old news, but here are my thoughts:

-The combat is faster and more responsive. Playing as Dracula feels like playing as Dracula. Your dodges are smooth, and the transition between different weapons is seamless. The only thing I missed in the demo was a move list, because I was ready to experiment with the combos. And if anyone felt like LoS boiled down to mashing the X/[] combo over and over again, LoS2 makes you want to mix it up, particularly because I felt the enemies put enough pressure on me that mixing in AoE attacks was important, rather than just an option.

-Enemies are more varied and have way better AI. Just tossing in shields that you have to break with the Chaos Fists before doing anything else was good for me, but then you have the fact that enemies capitalize on you being knocked to the ground, and even just move a bit quicker, and it's way more fun to interact in combat.

-The music is better. I loved the LoS soundtrack, and thought it was very atmospheric and well composed, but sometimes it was lacking a little something-something, going more for grandiose-ness than energy. IMO, the new soundtrack has energy.

-Platforming is completely better. It's still shimmying-style, so that hasn't changed, but it's quick, quick enough that you still feel entirely in control even when you have to jump through moving cogs while the gold paladin dude is shooting fire arrows at you, something that would have been a clusterfuck nightmare in LoS due to the clunky wall-shimmying.

-Titan was more fun. It was a set-piece and an event, rather than some big stone...thing in a flat room that you just had to fight by crawling all over it like an annoying tick. You fight soldiers on it while its slamming its fist into the castle, jump through cogs ala Clock Tower (LoS) while the Paladin is raining fire arrows down on you, then you have to jump around it while using the paladin to destroy the bolts nailing the titan together. I mean, if you HATED the Titan fights in LoS, I can't guarantee you'll like this one, but there's definitely more to it.

-The atmosphere is more "Castlevania". I'm probably one of the first people on this board who will defend LoS's right to call itself a Castlevania, but the demo of LoS2 just had more of that essence of "Castlevania" that started showing up more in MoF. Can't explain this one much more than that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JR on October 26, 2013, 01:02:22 AM
Gabriel with Lugosi's facial features (and that smile) is just too fun.

Heh, I didn't even realize until now that they used the same Lugosi face for a picture of Dracula in the MSX manual. Everyone else probably already knew, though.
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Post by: Bergaron on October 26, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smjDoBX4a7Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smjDoBX4a7Y)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 26, 2013, 04:03:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smjDoBX4a7Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smjDoBX4a7Y)
Good review. I don't know if this has been mentioned about the demo, but one thing I really liked about the demo was the sound! With the music, the sound was very intense and hectic! I for one am happy the dev team gets more time with the game even though it got pushed back! I mean that demo was at E3 so the game probably already looks tons better than the demo. I am hearing good things about Mirror of Fate HD as well!

I wonder how everyone is going to react when this game does incredibly well and how the perception of Dave Cox will change? I mean this is the first time I think I've seen a Castlevania title since SOTN really have a AAA budget given to it. LOS2 really does look next gen when compared to its fello brethren like God of War, DMC, Metal Gear etc. Whatever the opinion of old school fan or IGA fans it's nice to see Castlevania given the proper funds to shine.

I remember back in the da when you used to see like Super Castlevania 4 and other Castlevania titles all over the cover of the game mags. Usually during Halloween time.
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Post by: Intersection on October 26, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
So it's essentially the same demo we've seen at E3, coupled with the the game's debut trailer. A bit disappointing, but that was to be expected.

As it stands, I'm not worried at all for LoS2; it's well on its way towards a phenomenal success. While the demo isn't as spectacular as I was hoping for it to be, it does show that this sequel is on the right track.
This first taste of LoS2's Titan scaling, while still not entirely perfect, is a significant improvement on the dull patterns of the original's titan fights. Combat is as solid and well-balanced as the original, and I couldn't ask for more. And just as MS promised, we're finally granted with a movable camera (alleluia!). Now, QTE's are still there, but remain far less obtrusive than MoF's; they still aren't necessary, but don't really hurt the experience.
So, again: no worries here.

Though I'm not expecting a "change" in the way Cox is perceived; he is who he is, and I don't see how a new game would make any difference...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on October 26, 2013, 04:55:01 PM
You can remove QTE's entirely in the options menu, someone on Gamefaqs confirmed this already.

Seriously, there should be a header on the side of the box saying "QTE removal included." in big bold letters. Maybe that'll help turn some heads for those who are on the fence.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on October 27, 2013, 07:22:01 PM
The option to remove QTEs made this a far better game than LoS almost instantly.

Thank. God.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 27, 2013, 08:45:52 PM
Im sure some people will still complain simply for the fact that QTE's are even in the game in the first place, whether you can turn them off or not. At least we're actually given a choice this time around, more dev's should consider doing this.

Anyway Halloween is coming and if that's not the best time for new LOS2 media, I dunno what is.
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Post by: Dremn on October 27, 2013, 09:37:04 PM
I'm expecting new stuff Thursday.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 28, 2013, 10:19:19 AM
The option to remove QTEs made this a far better game than LoS almost instantly.

Thank. God.
^ THIS!! Never liked QTE because they are mandatory in most games. This at least caters to both QTE fans and non-QTE fans, which is a wise movie. More games should do this!
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Post by: kadosho on October 28, 2013, 12:38:15 PM
I get the feeling there will be plenty of surprises this time around. I wonder, just how much Dracula's Quest will change the outcome of the bloodline in this new legacy.  ;D *amped up!
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Post by: Maedhros on October 28, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
QTE fans? They simply don't exist.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on October 28, 2013, 01:32:14 PM
LoS QTEs were great though. MGS Peacewalker in the other hand...
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Post by: Intersection on October 28, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
QTE fans? They simply don't exist.
Not entirely true. Some games work extremely well with them. QTE's are very effective to force quick player decisions; and when used correctly, they can prove very useful in enhancing or varying gameplay. For example, I was a huge fan of them when I played Heavy Rain not too long ago.
Of course, when they aren't used correctly, they can become so utterly, nerve-rackingly frustrating...

Lords of Shadow's QTE's were already difficult to swallow (though they could admittedly have been worse). For that matter, though, it was Mirror of Fate that finally offered us the epitome of poorly implemented QTE's.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on October 28, 2013, 02:14:28 PM
Not entirely true. Some games work extremely well with them.
Shenmue
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Post by: Maedhros on October 29, 2013, 02:59:54 AM
There's simply no game where QTE enhances the experience guys. No game at all. It's just there to make the player don't think that they're just watching a movie.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on October 29, 2013, 05:17:29 AM
LOL i just noticed i was blocked by cox on Twitter coz of this:

Ale Gerbes ‏@Asgardwolf 15 Oct
@CastlevaniaLOS  This art is official. Julius Belmont? Can you explain us please? pic.twitter.com/CsNsfBvYWI

Ale Gerbes ‏@Asgardwolf 16 Oct
@CastlevaniaLOS Thank you for aswering my question about this offical art with Julius name on it... pic.twitter.com/3c2HSXDlxB

Such an az$...
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Post by: VladCT on October 29, 2013, 06:08:07 AM
LOL. I believe Nagumo also got blocked because she pointed out a certain thing back then, so maybe she can welcome you to her club of people who got blocked by Cox because he is a jerk. :P
Seriously though, that's a dick move. Well, at least this sort of confirms that a Julius is in, so speculate away. :T
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Post by: Nagumo on October 29, 2013, 08:37:23 AM
Nagumo also got blocked 

(´;ω;`)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on October 29, 2013, 09:03:56 AM
There's simply no game where QTE enhances the experience guys. No game at all. It's just there to make the player don't think that they're just watching a movie.
I'm sorry, but that simply isn't true. There are a few games out there that handle them exceedingly well -- but we've been so boggled down by poorly-designed mainstream titles that we've forgotten what they can be used for.

Quick-time events, when used correctly, are actually supposed to give you a sense of choice and urgency; poorly-implemented QTE's only give you the illusion of it. Games that require you to think about what you're doing, where mashing a QTE may not always be best option; games where a QTE doesn't come alone, where you're given several options, and where you're forced to make a true decision; games where there is no "right" or "wrong" choice; games, even, where a single QTE can affect the entire course of a narrative. That's when they work best; and that's when they enhance gameplay more than any other gimmick out there.

But too often we've seen just what you've described: QTE's designed to fool the player into thinking he's "playing" a cutscene; QTE's where you pertinently know that missing a cue will invariably hurt your character; QTE's implemented as filler, from lack of any better ideas. We see these far too often. QTE's are supposed to be thought-provoking; and yet most of what we've seen today do the exact opposite.

Here's the way I see it: instead of being used as last-ditch cutscene "enhancers", QTE's should always be integrated into a game's core mechanic. Yet another reason why they have no place in most combat-oriented games.
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 29, 2013, 09:36:30 AM
Shenmue did QTE's well.

I honestly don't understand what the issue is with QTE's. I've never minded them in anything. I think some people around here make way too big a deal out of them.
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Post by: Kingshango on October 29, 2013, 09:49:22 AM


I honestly don't understand what the issue is with QTE's. I've never minded them in anything. I think some people around here make way too big a deal out of them.

There are some people out there that will dismiss a game completely just because it has QTE's.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 29, 2013, 01:09:49 PM
There are some people out there that will dismiss a game completely just because it has QTE's.
For me, it ruins the game when you are playing, then a QTE pops up and if you don't do it right, you are penalized. And I mean split-second "press X NOW!" or fall off a cliff. If it's QTE like pressing X multiple of times to open a door or turn a crank, I don't mind because you are given time to do it without a harsh penalty. It just ruins my enjoyment and that's all it boils down to, enjoyment. If I can't fully enjoy a game I'm playing, what's the sense in playing it?
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Post by: Rugal on October 29, 2013, 04:19:17 PM
If I want to play a game with QTEs I'll go fucking play Dragon's Lair.
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 29, 2013, 04:42:55 PM
If I want to play a game with QTEs I'll go fucking play Dragon's Lair.

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Post by: Maedhros on October 29, 2013, 05:54:55 PM
There's no instance of use of QTE that couldn't be implemented as a cutscene at all. Even Shenmue. Even Dragon's Lair. It's simply ridiculously shallow. Make them optional doesn't cut it, they should get rid of this shit for eternity and forget that it even existed.
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 29, 2013, 05:57:46 PM
I'm playing LOS2. It's incredible.
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Post by: e105beta on October 29, 2013, 06:50:12 PM
There's no instance of use of QTE that couldn't be implemented as a cutscene at all. Even Shenmue. Even Dragon's Lair. It's simply ridiculously shallow. Make them optional doesn't cut it, they should get rid of this shit for eternity and forget that it even existed.

To be fair, if Dragon's Lair didn't have QTEs it would be a movie.

Whatever your opinion on QTEs, the point is to make non-interactive parts of the game (i.e. cutscenes) interactive, so saying that there's no instance of a QTE that couldn't be implemented as a cutscene kind of misses the point.
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Post by: Maedhros on October 29, 2013, 07:15:24 PM
To be fair, if Dragon's Lair didn't have QTEs it would be a movie.

Whatever your opinion on QTEs, the point is to make non-interactive parts of the game (i.e. cutscenes) interactive, so saying that there's no instance of a QTE that couldn't be implemented as a cutscene kind of misses the point.
But in Dragon's Lair, QTE's are part of the game, essentialy. They work just like prompts. They could make the game using prompts and ask what the player wanted to do. Like Visual Novels.

In modern games, it just frustates. If you get one wrong, you have to start all over again the scene. It's stupid, shallow and should die.
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Post by: Belmontoya on October 29, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
Maedhros you seem really fired up about these QTE's. I'm getting this image in my head of you being really terrible at them and getting stuck in a game for hours on a QTE spot in some trivial part of a cinema...  :P

The only way I can rationalize your pure hatred for them is that they must be the bane of your video game existence. Hahaha. Do they really trip you up that much?

I think I've missed like 3 QTE's in my whole life. I could take or leave them, but they just don't bother me. I can understand someone thinking they enhance a cinema as much as I can understand someone considering them a minor annoyance. But it's hard for me to understand how anyone could feel so strongly about them one way or another.  :-\
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 29, 2013, 08:01:49 PM
If I want to play a game with QTEs I'll go fucking play Dragon's Lair.
There's a reason I don't like Dragon's Lair. It's the same reason I never liked that Sega hologram game, Time Traveller. Though, to be completely fair, I also don't get enjoyment out of sports games. Again, for me, it's all about enjoyment.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on October 29, 2013, 09:06:32 PM
I guess people complains about QTE`s on this game where wrothy for them.... QTE`s in LOS2 are danm easier than LOS and you can also turn them off... BTW the demo is awesome... the game seems way more difficult and faster than LOS. Better AI`s, combat should be face to face now due to the short range of the weapons... The whip lost a lot of range compared to the LOS Combat Cross, the combos looks the same for the whip but not as easy to combine now.
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Post by: e105beta on October 30, 2013, 08:43:47 AM
But in Dragon's Lair, QTE's are part of the game, essentialy. They work just like prompts. They could make the game using prompts and ask what the player wanted to do. Like Visual Novels.

In modern games, it just frustates. If you get one wrong, you have to start all over again the scene. It's stupid, shallow and should die.

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan.

I liked the way they did QTEs in Die Hard Arcade. If you pulled it off, great, now there's no rocket launcher dude. Oh, you failed? Well, here's a face full of rocket launcher dude
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Post by: shelverton. on October 30, 2013, 09:12:44 AM

What are your opinions on something like the Walking Dead game? Or Indigo Prophecy or Heavy Rain? I tend to hate QTEs most of the time but those games worked for me, especially Walking Dead.
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Post by: e105beta on October 30, 2013, 10:31:21 AM
I like them. I think they add to the urgency or direness of a situation that would be lost if the game was entirely "make choice, watch consequences".

That's what I see as the benefit of QTEs, if used properly. They force split second decisions that result in consequences.

Bad QTEs can exist for a multitude of reasons, though. A lot of times they don't have real consequences, and exist merely as a button pressing rhythm game of sorts like some sort of password to complete a cutscene. Or if they are overly excessive for the action being performed, like mashing a button to open a chest. It shouldn't require out-of-game work to do something that simple.

It also doesn't help if they aren't representative of the actions you're performing (i.e. Press arbitrary 3 buttons to rip out liver) I mean, it wasn't exactly the example of a great QTE, but the boss finisher in Warhammer 40k: Space Marine at least had me pressing buttons that were significant to the overall game experience to beat the crap out of him, with the punch button punching, the chainsaw button chainsawing, and the stomp button stomping. I got to choose how he died, so if I wanted to do nothing but stomp and shoot him to death, I could.

I think the easiest "good QTE" to implement is the "mash button to free yourself" that shows up in tons of games, usually when you're turned to stone or ice or something of the like. Other QTEs require actual work, which is why we get so many bad ones, because developers use it as a way to get out of doing extra work.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Koutei on October 31, 2013, 06:42:58 AM
New screenshots
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.615002801885882.1073741846.185814918138008&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.615002801885882.1073741846.185814918138008&type=1)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on October 31, 2013, 07:00:09 AM
Screenshots look nice, but if that's all we're getting :(

Edit:Nevermind! :D

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - Dracula's Vengeance Trailer - Eurogamer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJk-zhp8aA0#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on October 31, 2013, 07:31:25 AM
Holy shit, Robert Caryle did a great job with the voice acting this time. He sounds positively pissed at god, just as Dracula should. Alucard looks amazing in 3D too. All around this game looks so much better and far more Castlevania than LoS was. No one can deny they listened to the criticism to a good extent. Was that...Shaft I spotted?

Wish we could have seen more of the Belmonts or Victor in the trailer, but that's me being nit picky.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGmxI88m.jpg&hash=6274b15b933d0a47866534348069b1de)

This shot is absolutely gorgeous, we're in for more visual eye candy this time around, and they somehow managed to make it all look even BETTER than the locales in LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on October 31, 2013, 07:39:23 AM
I'll buy LoS2 if:

1) There's a Slogra boss battle
2) There's a Death boss battle
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on October 31, 2013, 07:45:16 AM
You play as Dracula. It would be kind of weird for Dracula to battle those two.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on October 31, 2013, 08:10:27 AM
Cox already confirmed a long time ago that Dracula will fight Zobek...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on October 31, 2013, 08:14:24 AM
considering hes fighting his own castle, its not that strange. also, death? dunno. Zobek seems legit this time around.

fuck those screens are awesome. cant wait for pc edition. my body is so ready
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on October 31, 2013, 08:22:55 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGmxI88m.jpg&hash=6274b15b933d0a47866534348069b1de)

This shot is absolutely gorgeous, we're in for more visual eye candy this time around, and they somehow managed to make it all look even BETTER than the locales in LoS.

If you take out Dracula and put in the chosen undead, this could pass as a screenshot of Dark Souls 2.

The art direction in this game is so good.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Melanicus on October 31, 2013, 08:24:45 AM
That demon-looking thing in one of those screenshots is called Agreus. I found this on it at Wikipedia:

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In Greek mythology Agreus or Argeus and his brother Nomios are two of the Panes, creatures multiplied from the god Pan. They are human in shape, but have the horns of goats. Like Pan, both were the sons of Hermes, Argeus' mother being the nymph Sose, a prophetess: he inherited his mother's gift of prophecy, and was also a skilled hunter. Nomios' mother was the dryad Penelope (not the same as the wife of Odysseus). He was an excellent shepherd, a seducer of nymphs, and musician upon the shepherd's pipes. Agreus and Nomios could also be understood as epithets of Pan, expressing two different aspects of the prime Pan, reflecting his dual nature as both a wise prophet and a lustful beast. Both Agreus (meaning "hunter") and Nomios (meaning "shepherd") are titles of several agricultural gods, including Aristaeus[1] and Pan himself.
Both of these Panes, along with a dozen others, joined Dionysus in his wars in India.[2]


--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreus)

Given that Pan was in LoS, I wonder what implications this might have. Maybe Pan wasn't so benevolent? Or maybe they from grace, though he didn't?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on October 31, 2013, 09:55:21 AM
Cox just confirmed CE is Europe only. >:( >:( >:(

I don't understand decisions like that.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on October 31, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
The gorgeus screenshot is called "The fortress of the Guardian of the Forest" so Pan will surely return. i liked him so much.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on October 31, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
Cox just confirmed CE is Europe only. >:( >:( >:(

I don't understand decisions like that.

Man, Konami Europe can go suck a fat one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on October 31, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
Man, Konami Europe can go suck a fat one.
Wasn`t this game going to be region free?  www.Amaz (http://www.Amaz)...com
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on October 31, 2013, 10:52:31 AM
Wasn`t this game going to be region free?  www.Amaz (http://www.Amaz)...com

Sounds like you can only pre-order through a specific European retailer, so unless they open up Amazon as an option, that's a no go.

EDIT: And of course South Africa even gets it, so it's not a shipping issue
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on October 31, 2013, 11:07:04 AM
Sounds like you can only pre-order through a specific European retailer, so unless they open up Amazon as an option, that's a no go.

Game.co.uk is supposed to be the exclusive retailer for the UK and they ship to the US.  I might order it through them.

The disc I'm sure is going to be region free but the disc is still tied to that region's PSN store so I would then need to buy the DLC from the Europe store.

I mean the game will definitely have DLC, Konami won't pass up money.

I might pre-order it and see how the figures look when more press shots come out.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on October 31, 2013, 11:10:24 AM
Game.co.uk is supposed to be the exclusive retailer for the UK and they ship to the US.  I might order it through them.

The disc I'm sure is going to be region free but the disc is still tied to that region's PSN store so I would then need to buy the DLC from the Europe store.

I mean the game will definitely have DLC, Konami won't pass up money.

I might pre-order it and see how the figures look when more press shots come out.

If this is true you have completely brightened my day.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on October 31, 2013, 11:54:51 AM
That walk Carmilla does just reminds me of a girl who just tried on heels for the first time and is struggling to stay upright as she tries to strut.

Also, did her boobs get bigger since the last game? Or maybe that's just a killer corset? (Kate Beckinsale to play the part in my brainmovie)

That said, I knew they weren't going to pass up an opportunity for having Carmilla come back. Death aside, she's way more integral to the classic series than Cornell, so of the three Lords of Shadow, she was the logical choice to bring back.

Wonder if ol' Gabe is going to catch hell for killing Laura.

Be kind of interesting if the game implemented a morality system, or more like a "path" system, where Carmilla's good side gives you advice that leads you to redemption and Zobek's led you to becoming the ULTIMATE LORD OF SHADOW.

Okay. Interesting was the wrong word. But come on. All the cool kids are doing it now. *dons awesome sunglasses*

I don't know. My head is just teeming with ideas.

But February 2014? I'll have cash in hand.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Oralox on October 31, 2013, 12:45:09 PM
Now just who this fella might be?
Shaft perhaps?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on October 31, 2013, 12:46:55 PM
"I'm not Gabriel anymore, woman"

The chills...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 31, 2013, 01:08:21 PM
He still seems reluctant to refer to himself as Dracula. Even though Cox and crew call him Dracula, it would just make more sense to call him Dracul. Alucard would've been a more fitting Dracula(being the "son of the Dragon").

Anybody think this could be LoS2's equivalent of the Puppet Master?:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesixthaxis.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fcvlos4.jpg&hash=cbe544c1edf20b59d04cb46b2a6d3c24)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on October 31, 2013, 01:13:54 PM
He still seems reluctant to refer to himself as Dracula. Even though Cox and crew call him Dracula, it would just make more sense to call him Dracul. Alucard would've been a more fitting Dracula(being the "son of the Dragon").

Anybody think this could be LoS2's equivalent of the Puppet Master?:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesixthaxis.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fcvlos4.jpg&hash=cbe544c1edf20b59d04cb46b2a6d3c24)

The shot is from the same room as all the past shots of The Toymaker.
This is without a doubt The Toymaker's battle form, which I'm supposing is just him controlling a huge machine while he sits inside of it...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on October 31, 2013, 02:58:36 PM
Lite trailer, without big surprise, but is cool, let see the final in later December/soon January

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/44/1383232700-4.jpg (http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/44/1383232700-4.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on October 31, 2013, 03:07:46 PM
Lite trailer, without big surprise, but is cool, let see the final in later December/soon January

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/44/1383232700-4.jpg (http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/44/1383232700-4.jpg)

December surprise huh, VGA's perhaps?

Oh and that's a rad pic of Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on October 31, 2013, 03:17:22 PM
Maedhros you seem really fired up about these QTE's. I'm getting this image in my head of you being really terrible at them and getting stuck in a game for hours on a QTE spot in some trivial part of a cinema...  :P

The only way I can rationalize your pure hatred for them is that they must be the bane of your video game existence. Hahaha. Do they really trip you up that much?

I think I've missed like 3 QTE's in my whole life. I could take or leave them, but they just don't bother me. I can understand someone thinking they enhance a cinema as much as I can understand someone considering them a minor annoyance. But it's hard for me to understand how anyone could feel so strongly about them one way or another.  :-\
Not really. There's no really hard QTE. I just don't like them.

BTW: The trailer was really great. Robert makes a freaking amazing Dracula. He sounds better as Dracula than as Belmont even.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 31, 2013, 03:53:03 PM
Screenshots look nice, but if that's all we're getting :(

Edit:Nevermind! :D

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - Dracula's Vengeance Trailer - Eurogamer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJk-zhp8aA0#ws)
Ok I am hyped for this game.. Tomb edition..looks beast!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on October 31, 2013, 04:37:54 PM
Cox already confirmed a long time ago that Dracula will fight Zobek...

And Cox is one of those guys whose every statement should have an asterisk at its end with fine print afterwards.

If he's not rocking a giant scythe and pissing you off with little scythes, it's not really a Death fight.
Maedhros you seem really fired up about these QTE's. I'm getting this image in my head of you being really terrible at them and getting stuck in a game for hours on a QTE spot in some trivial part of a cinema...  :P

The only way I can rationalize your pure hatred for them is that they must be the bane of your video game existence. Hahaha. Do they really trip you up that much?

I think I've missed like 3 QTE's in my whole life. I could take or leave them, but they just don't bother me. I can understand someone thinking they enhance a cinema as much as I can understand someone considering them a minor annoyance. But it's hard for me to understand how anyone could feel so strongly about them one way or another.  :-\

I used to hate QTEs a lot more. They're not really a make-or-break for me, but they're just kind of an annoyance that strikes me as lazy more than anything. I'd rather be actually controlling the character or watching a cutscene. It's not testing any skills outside of whether I remember the buttons on my controller. That's not to say they can't be enjoyable, but in those cases they're really just contextual button prompts and not life-or-death situations.

The main bothersome point is that Cox's professed hatred of QTEs in an earlier interview makes their inclusion in the LoS games seem disingenuous. The option to turn them off if a huge bonus, though in Cox's place I'd still question why they need to be there in the first place.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on October 31, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Lite trailer, without big surprise, but is cool, let see the final in later December/soon January

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/44/1383232700-4.jpg (http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/44/1383232700-4.jpg)
Whoa. Awesome pic of Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on October 31, 2013, 06:10:02 PM
This Dracula looks handsome as fuck. He's on my top 3.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 31, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Lite trailer, without big surprise, but is cool, let see the final in later December/soon January

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/44/1383232700-4.jpg (http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/44/1383232700-4.jpg)
Interesting art. I still don't like his bare chest. Especially in that pic, he looks like someone who'd be on the cover of some housewife aimed hot and steamy romance novel(not unlike Fabio).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on October 31, 2013, 08:13:11 PM
Interesting art. I still don't like his bare chest. Especially in that pic, he looks like someone who'd be on the cover of some housewife aimed hot and steamy romance novel(not unlike Fabio).

Vampires HAVE typically been the subject of romance novels and films.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on October 31, 2013, 08:55:35 PM
Someone managed to rip a clear version of the music you hear during the fight with the Golden Paladin.

Castlevania:Lords of ShadowⅡ OST Battle with Golden Paladin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE29lBHXqfY#)

It's the same one you hear when you fight the Daemon Lord but it sounds better orchestrated, it even has a bit of electronica in it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 31, 2013, 09:09:30 PM
Vampires HAVE typically been the subject of romance novels and films.
I'm not debating that, but given that picture of Gabula, he's just eggin' Jim Steinman to write a rock opera about him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on October 31, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
Zobek in the trailer has a cigarette. Doesn't he know that smoking is harmful and it can lead him to death?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on October 31, 2013, 11:44:34 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fdraculacho1n.jpg&hash=60de2d93ad70ebcf184ebbc3c2867a40) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=draculacho1n.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fdracula_ch_marketing_gcoqb.jpg&hash=0c1a4078fba0228d6ff6042ccf330f9a) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=dracula_ch_marketing_gcoqb.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fclos2_hi_res_rgb_cl_1msove.jpg&hash=40c2ebb5325b1b6ab4dbb5e716e54eb8) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=clos2_hi_res_rgb_cl_1msove.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fdracula02lup80.jpg&hash=3a5bd0b7aaa36357220f0641516ba64c) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=dracula02lup80.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fdracula03npovs.jpg&hash=d718e93d79ca917612f27150e34d8e67) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=dracula03npovs.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fdracula06_1ozq1n.jpg&hash=d6685a08439d59c56dda4c4347fe4267) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=dracula06_1ozq1n.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fdracula2000_1jwr7z.jpg&hash=0fb644fe6431594e17eb31882e1076eb) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=dracula2000_1jwr7z.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fdracula_epilogo5yorq.jpg&hash=70325bf616e861274da16452062dd93a) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=dracula_epilogo5yorq.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fdracula_random_1tpq1n.jpg&hash=76a6e7dfd8edd867be033915db04ba57) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=dracula_random_1tpq1n.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fl_bl_draculat5rd2.jpg&hash=951a4904c5691e9c2cf75bad76a37665) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=l_bl_draculat5rd2.jpg)

Trailer was awesome.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on October 31, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
I love this series' art so much. Especially the concept art and production sketches.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on October 31, 2013, 11:54:12 PM
So im drooling over the Dracula's tomb CE and a I just noticed that there's sketch of a mech in the artbook.

Quote
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEvPMeAe.jpg&hash=9dc9cbd91287c6e9ee90795e0858d1fd)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 01, 2013, 12:14:26 AM
OMG Robert Carlyle's amazing in the trailer!

I want the artbook and the figures. Hehehehe.
Is it just me, but... does the Gabula figure seem smaller than the rest?

On a side note... Since LoS2 also talks about fate...
I am dropping a poster of Rumples.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on November 01, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
The tomb and the figures look low quality in that pic. I prefer the full OST than any of those things to be honest.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on November 01, 2013, 01:08:50 AM
The art book will generate excitement. Some of my friends are interested in the game but not much more than in Gears of War or God of War. But that art book pushes them to buy the collector edition, it is likely that some of them give me the game :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on November 01, 2013, 01:10:21 AM
I just noticed that there's sketch of a mech in the artbook.


Holy shit! They aren't kidding with modern day timeline. Metal Gear L.I.G.H.T.

Large
Infantry
Gatling
Heaven
Technology
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on November 01, 2013, 01:13:37 AM
The art, the boxart, the collector edition all look AWESOME!

And OMG, Robet Carlyle in the trailer, he gave me goosebumps...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on November 01, 2013, 02:00:07 AM
Zobek appears two times in the trailer, making friends without Gabriel knowing it? Or working for his authentic leader...? I smell betrayal and manipulation...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on November 01, 2013, 02:06:08 AM
The figurines are Gabriel, Zobek, Victor, and... who is that fourth one (number 3)? A random monster?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on November 01, 2013, 02:32:04 AM
The figurines are Gabriel, Zobek, Victor, and... who is that fourth one (number 3)? A random monster?
Alright you got to remind me who Victor is?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on November 01, 2013, 03:00:30 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.destructoid.com%2F%2Ful%2F264643-dracula-is-fired-up-in-this-lords-of-shadow-2-trailer%2Fh4-noscale.jpg&hash=d92689d8d19ea46d810f5cc4ecd79e58)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.destructoid.com%2F%2Ful%2F264643-dracula-is-fired-up-in-this-lords-of-shadow-2-trailer%2Fh5-noscale.jpg&hash=600b974f7b1224e9cba389f284da64d0)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.destructoid.com%2F%2Ful%2F264643-dracula-is-fired-up-in-this-lords-of-shadow-2-trailer%2Fh3-noscale.jpg&hash=fdeb3f3314df7addae5fd09c225afd37)

This new engine can have mods easy (and expansions..)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on November 01, 2013, 04:55:28 AM
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Trailer was awesome.
The 4th and last pic are simply incredible. I'm really going to miss Mercury Steam's character designs for this series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on November 01, 2013, 07:33:24 AM
Man I hope that there's like an arena mode with like 25 challenges in this game.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on November 01, 2013, 07:34:04 AM
lol Dark Dracula skin? Really?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on November 01, 2013, 07:34:47 AM
Leak guy returned?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on November 01, 2013, 07:45:19 AM
Seems so, he also said that the past and present maps are called "Dracula's Castle" (duh) and "Castlevania City" (which sounds fan fic-ish to me but so did Belmont's becoming Dracula's and Alucard's :P). And that Agreus is pissed at Dracula for killing Pan.

That was pretty much it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on November 01, 2013, 07:48:58 AM
Oh, dear. That's three pages of discussion I've missed while I wasn't here.

I'm glad this new trailer was released; it's by far the most powerful one we've seen. The debut trailer looked amazing, but elucidated little about the plot; The demo and the E3 trailer, while monumental in scale, seemed somewhat unfocused. Dracula's Vengeance isn't extraordinarily long, but it perfectly captures the struggle around which LoS2 revolves. And the voice acting in the trailer is impeccable. Carlyle seems to have outdone himself this time. Bravo.

I'm more divided on the artistic choices. LoS2 sports the darker, gothic tones which I've always appreciated in the series, and I'm very glad to see it. On the other hand, I'm not too enthusiastic about some of the character designs; while I admire Dracula's general aspect, I'm not the biggest fan of the open-chested armor he wears. Somehow, it seems out of place. And I simply can't swallow Alucard's new appearance. He simply looks... ugly, especially since he's given a carbon copy of his father's armor.
On the other hand, Victor and Trevor look decent, and Zobek's character is quite well-executed.

I'm also unsure why MS needed to add "Blood is Family -- Blood is Power -- Blood is Everything" in the end. It hurts the trailer's finale, serves no apparent purpose, and comes out as more than a little cheesy.
Blood is Good.
Blood is Drink.
Blood is Red.
Blood is... Blood.

And as for that mysterious, robed figure, I'll assume it's Shaft. It'd certainly be interesting to see him in the LoS continuity.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Foffy on November 01, 2013, 08:04:33 AM
Man I hope that there's like an arena mode with like 25 challenges in this game.

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Wasn't there an arena implied or at least considered as DLC for the first game? I recall Cox saying something that one of the DLCs was planned to be something like an arena. Instead we got two lazy chapters.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on November 01, 2013, 08:13:18 AM
lol Dark Dracula skin? Really?
Still not as stupid as the Dracula Armor skin. Seriously, I don't see any armor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 01, 2013, 08:20:54 AM
I'm kinda sad that there's no option to preorder for PC. And that the Collector's edition seems console bound as well.

Dark Dracula seems to me more like a cheap attempt at an Alucard Skin.

It's like, they asked for preorder goodies, and MS was like, "Shit, we didn't think of that... uh... Here. Have these... Uh... Skins..." that they made in a day or two.

A Classic Dracula skin would rock though. White hair with a red and black outfit
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dremn on November 01, 2013, 09:27:43 AM
Seems so, he also said that the past and present maps are called "Dracula's Castle" (duh) and "Castlevania City"
...that is....

...genius.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on November 01, 2013, 03:28:57 PM
I'm kinda sad that there's no option to preorder for PC. And that the Collector's edition seems console bound as well.

Dark Dracula seems to me more like a cheap attempt at an Alucard Skin.

It's like, they asked for preorder goodies, and MS was like, "Shit, we didn't think of that... uh... Here. Have these... Uh... Skins..." that they made in a day or two.

A Classic Dracula skin would rock though. White hair with a red and black outfit
When I think classic Dracula, I think something like this:

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Though, I wouldn't mind seeing Gabe pimpin that style, his hair slicked back and all. Though, I could also see him with his hair down, he'd probably look somewhat similar to this:

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Gabula, a vampy chick's magnet!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 01, 2013, 03:58:06 PM
Alright, touche. That definitely IS classic Dracula. And I gotta say, I think Carlyle's face would lend itself to a more traditional Dracula look.

But I meant SoTN style Dracula. Which would also be neat.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 01, 2013, 04:09:38 PM
The Dark Dracula skin worries me since I was holding my breath for a possible Alucard DLC mode.

This seems like a cheap way to get around adding Alucard as a playable character by making gabula kinda resemble him and saying "There you go Alucard fans!". :-[

And I agree with Flame, a symphony of the night style Dracula skin for Gabriel would have been a much better idea.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on November 01, 2013, 04:33:46 PM
The Dark Dracula skin worries me since I was holding my breath for a possible Alucard DLC mode.

This seems like a cheap way to get around adding Alucard as a playable character by making gabula kinda resemble him and saying "There you go Alucard fans!". :-[

And I agree with Flame, a symphony of the night style Dracula skin for Gabriel would have been a much better idea.

I'm right there with you. I just finished MoF HD, and I really want to play more as Alucard. I love his LoSverse interpretation and want to see as much of him as possible.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 01, 2013, 04:37:45 PM
I am hundred percent sure that Alucard is not playable in the game. He will be in DLC from seeing an interview with website a long time ago which suggested that you play with other characters then Alucard which I posted awhile back here. However the DLC may come much much later. I think Flame is right that these DLC skins were made at the last second. Also I love Alucard design in HD its strangely beautiful but show his torment in not being human. He seems to embrace his role as Alucard though. Also is Shaft in this game going to be serving Satan instead of Dracula? That would be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on November 01, 2013, 04:38:28 PM
I'm holding out for Victor Belmont and Alucard expansion DLCs.

Why settle for a costume when you can get whole character storylines?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 01, 2013, 04:58:01 PM
I have had my fair share of complaints about the LOS series, but I have to say I'm relieved that MS did not make Alucard to much of a departure from the original series personality and appearance wise.

Although his origin is clearly a lot of different.

So far I like this new Alucard, even though I was not onboard with Trevor becoming him, so It would be a letdown not to get to play as him for me.

Not to mention MS would really be missing out on including a fan favorite as a playable character.

I remember them saying something along the lines that he will not be playable or unlockable in the initial game, but that does not rule out of possible DLC mode for him in the future.

Its just that this latest "Dark Dracula" preorder has me worried that they may have decided to take the cheap route and not include Alucard and just give as a Gabriel who kinda resembles him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 01, 2013, 04:59:50 PM
Nah I think they just need shit to have too preorder. My money is on Alucard being playable in the game for brief amount of time.  I wonder whether the other Belmonts after Simon will know Alucard identity or will he be a mysterious benefactor like he is in the old series.

Also as much as Trevor changing to Alucard sounds like heresy in Castlevania mythos. I think it works since its alternate universe. It builds up the emotional connection and tragedy between two which honestly I never felt they had in Symphony of the Night.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 01, 2013, 05:01:38 PM
.  I wonder whether the other Belmonts after Simon will know Alucard identity or will he be a mysterious benefactor like he is in the old series.

I have a feeling they will definitely meet, but how tragic would it be if the Belmont killed Alucard because he was a vampire?

Not caring that Alucard was a former belmont himself who is fighting on their side?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 01, 2013, 05:04:33 PM
That could happen. Although I envision a team up with Victor Belmont.
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So he must be working with brotherhood at least.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on November 01, 2013, 05:21:43 PM
Im gonna go ahead and take a shot in the dark and say that Alucard somehow dies after his encounter with Dracula.

Just a weird hunch I have.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 01, 2013, 05:32:48 PM
Which encounter? From what I heard after the castle siege sequence in one internet magazine.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on November 01, 2013, 05:44:39 PM
Which encounter? From what I heard after the castle siege sequence in one internet magazine.
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I dunno I just have this weird feeling that

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It's just a weird feeling I've had but I hope it's just that. Then again Mercurysteam isn't at all afraid to kill off a character in their first appearance.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 01, 2013, 05:47:17 PM
That......would be terrible  :o.

INTERNET RAGE WILL HAVE NO BOUNDS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on November 01, 2013, 05:52:01 PM
Alright, touche. That definitely IS classic Dracula. And I gotta say, I think Carlyle's face would lend itself to a more traditional Dracula look.

But I meant SoTN style Dracula. Which would also be neat.
Both would be neat, and would be a great little nod to the classic canon Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on November 01, 2013, 05:55:03 PM
I really hope that we don't see a redemption in the end... maybe a FAKE redemption. Having Dracula almost being turned and just when you think everything will end right, make Carlyle give his craziest laugh ever and say that he'll never disappear.

Seriously, I fucking love this new Dracula voice.

Making a Alucard mode is essential too. It's a missed opportunity if they don't make one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 01, 2013, 06:11:43 PM
If this game is successful you are going to DLC expansions and skins in the buttloads I guarantee.

If they make Alucard mode they have to differentiate a bit because so far Alucard is just a vampire with a sword so they have to give him more unique abilities.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 01, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
I really hope that we don't see a redemption in the end... maybe a FAKE redemption. Having Dracula almost being turned and just when you think everything will end right, make Carlyle give his craziest laugh ever and say that he'll never disappear.
I thought people wanted LoS to end?

Carlyle Dracula will definitely go down as one of the best though.
If this game is successful you are going to DLC expansions and skins in the buttloads I guarantee.

If they make Alucard mode they have to differentiate a bit because so far Alucard is just a vampire with a sword so they have to give him more unique abilities.
Not entirely. He has the sword, and Dark Pain for a whip. Only thing would be the chaos claws, but then again, he already has gauntlets, and it's not like Dracula even uses special gauntlets. It's just a move.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 01, 2013, 06:24:43 PM
Not sure he will be using Dark Pain. But he does have two abilities that I think Dracula doesn't have the shadows claws and turning into a werewolf.

However according to this Relic rune pack which consists of most of relics shows that Dracula will get the time power. It will be interesting to speculate what the other relics could be.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on November 01, 2013, 06:35:17 PM
updated the los2 page with the new trailer if anybody has not, which I highly doubt but in case you did not it's there.

Well I saw it by clicking on the YT video with Carmilla and her giant
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. Yep I was thinking with my head this time  :P

From what I gathered this collection edition is awesome but will it be a repeat of los and just be in Europe?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on November 01, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
I thought people wanted LoS to end?
But I want it to end. Doesn't mean that he needs to actually CLOSE the history, he can left it open.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 01, 2013, 11:04:30 PM
I've no problem with closure. Takes guts to close a story in a Videogame, comic or cartoon just because "the story is finished." And usually leads to a much better product as a whole. Better a short, good story with closure than a story that goes on forever and never ends. (The Pokemon anime did this, it was supposed to end after the first movie. Instead, Ash is perma-ten, and will never actually become a master)

If LoS is to be just a 3 parter, I see no reason for Dracula's character to be unresolved and remain Dracula. hell, even the classic timeline eventually got rid of him and replaced him Soma, as a hero, essentially redeeming the character of Mathias.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on November 02, 2013, 12:05:49 AM
I think you're doing a mess. Well, these "skins" are gifts to major retailers, give them something unique and they will advertise the game. They can give a "skin" or poster or a sticker, no matter is only a small and ridiculous gift.

It's like when you buy a game mmorpg and they give you a pet or a ring that helps a bit the first 10 levels. Only a small gift to encourage you to buy it in the store, is pure marketing .. nothing more.

What we must be interested in these "Skins" is the availability of MS and the Mercury Engine Mods and almost certain DLC or expansions.

The game is long, about 20 + hours, but tells the story of Gabriel, for that is the trilogy of LOS. There are several interesting characters in the story but are only extras or boss. But the scrolls and the previous games narrate a past and a story about them that make them attractive, and many people want to learn more about them or play something with them.

Alucard, Victor, Carmilla, Brotherhood, Zobek, XXXX, XXXX2
They are all in the game with Gabriel, but Gabriel continues its path in the game. But it may be interesting to know the way these characters are parallel to meet Gabriel, that's where it is likely to come into play some DLC or expansion, are in the same game but different sites visited different routes, playing a different character as he tells his story last year.

They had thought out two DLC , but this delay of four months has done much damage to their plans. Do they make sense out two DLC during 2014 when most of the world will be with the next generation consoles ? not much .. and can not get them out soon because even not started working on them ( not made ) . If PC sales are very large raise could maybe make it count on the PC .

What is more likely is that Konami (but without MS ) dedicated to carry the PC version , with everything turned to max looks as good as many of the early games of the new generation , to XBONE and PS4 and can draw then the DLC with a broad market. Anyway, this last one is just a guess on my part . If sales are good, take out the DLC if they are normal or bad will not because it is not worth . ( it's all because of the change of generation ) . All I say is that if the game is much more open if the mods and skins ... there will be no more games LOS ( by MS ..) so that will allow players to some things ..

P. D. About the fear that the "Dark Gabriel" replace "Alucard DLC" ... come on .. Why give something if you can make money with it ..? Do you not know the big companies? do we know Konami?.

P.D.2 Of course the trailers are made with PC version.. (http://www.gamespot.com/videos/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-dracula-s-vengeance-/2300-6415852/ (http://www.gamespot.com/videos/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-dracula-s-vengeance-/2300-6415852/))
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 02, 2013, 02:02:23 AM
According to amazon.com, it will be out on Feb. 25, 2014.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 02, 2013, 04:41:44 AM
February? ick... they dropped the ball on los 2s release. especially since the ps4 and xbone are right around the corner, without ports of the game...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on November 02, 2013, 05:28:51 AM
According to amazon.com, it will be out on Feb. 25, 2014.
Release date was announced during E3. I remember seeing Feb 24.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on November 02, 2013, 10:55:01 AM
I dunno I just have this weird feeling that

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It's just a weird feeling I've had but I hope it's just that. Then again Mercurysteam isn't at all afraid to kill off a character in their first appearance.
Is this leak guy telling you this or just a feeling you've had this whole time? Killing off Alucard at the very beginning of the game would be absolutely terrible and pretty unnecessary.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 02, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
Remembering now I don't think its possibility. Because Dave Cox confirmed that if Alucard drank blood he would look like how he looked before as Trevor so I am sure they going to do that in game :P meaning they are not going to kill off Alucard just yet early in the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on November 02, 2013, 01:17:34 PM
Is this leak guy telling you this or just a feeling you've had this whole time? Killing off Alucard at the very beginning of the game would be absolutely terrible and pretty unnecessary.

No, just a feeling that I have. Cox says that he plays a minor role in this game had me kinda concerned (yeah I know he could be bullshitting) and the fact that Dracula is seeing ghosts of dead people which include his son Trevor, who we all know became Alucard.

I hope it just remains a feeling and I hope im wrong.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 02, 2013, 01:26:07 PM
But Trevor is dead so that could be why is seeing him as dead person I mean Alucard claimed so himself. Also Cox could just be downplaying Alucard role to put the focus on Dracula story. However, I could understand concern since MS has done some crazy shit in plot before not I didn't appreciate most of them.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 02, 2013, 02:34:33 PM
Yes, Trevor died the blood Gabula poured in Trevor's mouth brought him back to life as a vampire who now calls himself Alucard. So, he did indeed died. Thus, there is no problem with Gabriel seeing illusions/hallucinations of people who died. There's also the chance that they could be the result of the castle waging psychological warfare against Gabula or even physical manifestations of his guilt/self hatred/madness/etc.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on November 02, 2013, 02:55:48 PM
Lords of Shadow 2 has a very interesting premise, from that point of view -- the game seems to intentionally blur the lines between Gabriel's illusions and realities. It would certainly act as a very appealing explanation for the return of Marie and Trevor, as well as the Castle's disturbing rebellion against its master.
Carmilla is given a particularly ear-catching line in the latest trailer: when Dracula, seeing her resurrected, believes himself to be dreaming, she replies: "And if you were never to wake again, would it matter?"
Food for thought.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Maedhros on November 02, 2013, 03:10:15 PM
No, just a feeling that I have. Cox says that he plays a minor role in this game had me kinda concerned (yeah I know he could be bullshitting) and the fact that Dracula is seeing ghosts of dead people which include his son Trevor, who we all know became Alucard.

I hope it just remains a feeling and I hope im wrong.
Where/When did Cox said that?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dremn on November 02, 2013, 03:52:37 PM
No, just a feeling that I have. Cox says that he plays a minor role in this game had me kinda concerned (yeah I know he could be bullshitting) and the fact that Dracula is seeing ghosts of dead people which include his son Trevor, who we all know became Alucard.

I hope it just remains a feeling and I hope im wrong.
Cox says a lot of things.

I expect Alucard and whatever other Belmont we aren't being told about to have significant roles.

Then again, I remember how hype LoS1's trailers were and then when we actually played the game we were surprised to find the game taking a lot of unexpected turns. We're probably being pulled into another ride.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 02, 2013, 05:28:59 PM
Well, I for one, love unexpected turns so long as they aren't a detriment to the story. Plot twists, when done right, usually make people become more engrossed in the story. I mean saw that Trevor would become Alucard? I sure didn't.

I just love the LoS story. I'm not a fan of the gameplay (especially with MoF), but I really like the story. I really feel for Gabriel. He has suffered so much and even though he is an evil vampire now, he still has a trace of humanity in him. I mean when he realized that Trevor was his son, he tried to save him (which lead to Trevor being Alucard). Not to mention that he was crying at that moment. I remember watching that scene and really feeling for Gabriel to the point of almost crying myself. Now then, how many of us were practically driven to tears during that scene? That just shows how much we enjoy the story. If we didn't, we wouldn't care what happened to the characters. These plot twists make the story so great.
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Post by: Maedhros on November 02, 2013, 06:50:11 PM
Well, I for one, love unexpected turns so long as they aren't a detriment to the story. Plot twists, when done right, usually make people become more engrossed in the story. I mean saw that Trevor would become Alucard? I sure didn't.
You're probably the only one on this forum. It was discussed as hell here, since almost the release of the first trailer.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 02, 2013, 07:00:23 PM
You're probably the only one on this forum. It was discussed as hell here, since almost the release of the first trailer.

Yea, it was widely speculated around the forum that was the case.

Especially after the leaks came out.

It was not much of a shock around here at all, although some like myself did not like it.
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Post by: Bergaron on November 02, 2013, 11:36:04 PM
The scene with Alucar, is authentic, not an illusion. It is during the attack of the brotherhood of the castle (remember the trailer).

About the end. Enric Alvarez is a fan of Japanese anime, do not expect an end "Disney" is a story about evil, will be tragic. You saw the first.

And remember that with this release dies this timeline, so what happens to the characters is not very important (there will be no more future, although maybe if passed).
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Post by: DoctaMario on November 03, 2013, 01:30:10 AM
Wow so I got to play the demo today and man was it awesome!

I have to say, as an action game fan, the combo possibilities are going to be fantastic since you can easily switch between the Void Sword, Chaos Claws, and whip so easily. I was pulling off some pretty cool combos. I really wish the game had a hit counter so you knew how long your combos were going.

Im not sure if I'm feeling the "Hold L2 to outline your path thing." there are a lot of objects/platforms that are interactive but look like they're just part of the background. Still, I'm glad the highlight option is there because it would be really annoying to not have any idea where to go next only to find that it's something that you wouldn't have thought was a mode of transport. There were a lot of things like that especially when you're climbing on that war machine.

Still it was awesome. Gabriel/Dracula plays so very well. I can't even imagine what he'll play like once everything's unlocked. I'm even more excited now!

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Post by: Chernabogue on November 03, 2013, 01:00:04 AM
I don't think LoS2 will have too much plot twists. The path to the end will certainely be quite straightforward (Gabriel must find his powers and kick Satan's ass, and we'll get some clues from what happened in the past). The ending can take 2 forms, from what we know:
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 03, 2013, 01:11:37 AM
I don't think LoS2 will have too much plot twists. The path to the end will certainely be quite straightforward (Gabriel must find his powers and kick Satan's ass, and we'll get some clues from what happened in the past). The ending can take 2 forms, from what we know:
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I personally would like version 2.
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Post by: Maedhros on November 03, 2013, 06:30:03 AM
I prefer:

He destroys Zobek and Satan and make them his bitches.
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Post by: Kingshango on November 03, 2013, 08:19:41 AM
So the LOS2 demo is coming to PSN this Tuesday....along with Adventures of Cookie and Cream.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=88440689 (http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=88440689)

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Post by: Chernabogue on November 03, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
From what I heard (and hearing) in the demo's tracks, and in my own opinion, LoS2's music is better than LoS1's. The composition is better, the addition of electronic elements adds something really nice.
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Post by: Flame on November 03, 2013, 12:37:16 PM
With LoS being a success, Aurujo was probably able to get a little more of his own way with the music. The suits wanted him to be different from Yamane's music, from what I heard he wanted to do it similar at the start. So they went more bombastic, and started to creep in with the gothic in MoF and seemingly LoS2, without straying too far from what they established as LoS musical style.
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Post by: Dremn on November 03, 2013, 01:03:43 PM
Someone on /v/ ripped the soundtrack from the LoS2 demo. Enjoy.

https://mega.co.nz/#!zcAEkK6D!A6EHOWj-5A9JtUjlFUbTTmVz79IStwENWvbeWyC4vr4
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on November 03, 2013, 01:23:21 PM
Tried the PSN demo of LOS2! Fun, fun, fun! The only downfall is that I've seen the demo and it's been played out since E3 at least, so it kinda took away from the demo a bit. Also, it seemed kinda dated knowing the game has had a bit of a graphical overhall. I agree the soundtrack is waaay more badass this time around!
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Post by: Kingshango on November 03, 2013, 01:56:33 PM
Ugh, someone spoiled all of the mission names of the full game, kinda wish I hadn't seen it. :(


But I can say that this game is gonna be loooooooooooooong.
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Post by: e105beta on November 03, 2013, 02:05:01 PM
Ugh, someone spoiled all of the mission names of the full game, kinda wish I hadn't seen it. :(


But I can say that this game is gonna be loooooooooooooong.

Source?
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Post by: Kingshango on November 03, 2013, 02:09:08 PM
Source?

EDIT: Also, anyone interested in a discounted EU LoS2 copy?

/v/, Someone who extracted the ost from the demo got a list of all the missions from the game.

http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/216512029#p216538194 (http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/216512029#p216538194)

Go in now before it goes 404, you'll know the list when you see it.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on November 03, 2013, 07:17:08 PM
/v/, Someone who extracted the ost from the demo got a list of all the missions from the game.

http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/216512029#p216538194 (http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/216512029#p216538194)

Go in now before it goes 404, you'll know the list when you see it.
tpp late for me... any other source?
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Post by: Flame on November 03, 2013, 07:43:34 PM
Yknow, it's funny. But I get the feeling a lot more people might like LoS2, and feel ok with more, which is funny since 2 is MS and Cox's last CV. I get the feeling that if the series had gotten the chance to grow a bit more, (perhaps have a few more Belmont vs Dracula games) they could have totally nailed CV after a bit, and gotten people off the fence... I mean, LoS2 seems to be totally great as a CV. Got the atmosphere at least. (Music's gotten better too- the electronic elements REALLY work for it)

Just a thought. Though again, I'm satisfied with a 3 parter as long as it's got decent closure and resolution. No need to drag it on.

PS: those two battle themes are badass
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on November 03, 2013, 08:19:56 PM
tpp late for me... any other source?
Agree. If anybody saved the list, a PM would be appreciated. I've never been one to mind spoilers.
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Post by: EstebanT on November 03, 2013, 09:44:28 PM
He still seems reluctant to refer to himself as Dracula. Even though Cox and crew call him Dracula, it would just make more sense to call him Dracul. Alucard would've been a more fitting Dracula(being the "son of the Dragon").

Anybody think this could be LoS2's equivalent of the Puppet Master?:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesixthaxis.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fcvlos4.jpg&hash=cbe544c1edf20b59d04cb46b2a6d3c24)

To me it seems like a third version of The Daemon Lord
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 03, 2013, 10:53:35 PM
Maybe a LoS2 Spoiler thread should be created from now  ;D
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Post by: Flame on November 03, 2013, 11:29:10 PM
this is the LoS2 spoiler thread
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Post by: SaibotMK on November 03, 2013, 11:30:20 PM
Still no news about this game and it is so close to release. This is one of the few Castlevania games I have little interest in because of how bad they are designing Dracula for the game. If you make a Castlevania 3d platformer, just give us a Belmont, if I play as Dracula I want to have all his powers and just have fun.

No teleport, not even a dash teleport, no projectiles (hell fire, nothing), no transformations, no mist form (mist will likely only be useable for getting into certain points of the game).

I waited awhile, decided to check back and see if their was one new thing announced about the game. Nothing, it is utterly a Belmont / "Dracula" whip using, sword slinging, gauntlet using pure melee character. I would rather play as another Castlevania antagonist and fight a epic powerful Dracula at the end, not play as a Belmont with a Dracula skin.

This is my opinion, sorry if it upsets anyone, I had to share it.
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 03, 2013, 11:54:54 PM
No teleport, not even a dash teleport, no projectiles (hell fire, nothing), no transformations, no mist form (mist will likely only be useable for getting into certain points of the game).
He can use a dash teleport, as seen in the demo. The gameplay trailer shows he can use projectiles with the Void Sword (ice), and most certainely from the Chaos Claws (fire). Transformation is confirmed since the first trailer and by the developers of the game. As for mist form, we still have no info on it, but don't tell me you are disappointed because Drac cannot tranform into mist.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on November 04, 2013, 05:10:51 AM
He can use a dash teleport, as seen in the demo. The gameplay trailer shows he can use projectiles with the Void Sword (ice), and most certainely from the Chaos Claws (fire). Transformation is confirmed since the first trailer and by the developers of the game. As for mist form, we still have no info on it, but don't tell me you are disappointed because Drac cannot tranform into mist.
I remember Cox said Draula`s MOF abilities where a lil sneak peek of his LOS2 powers. In MOF he`s able to throw fireballs, and transform into black mist to past through Simon and Alucard during their fight, similar to Alucard in the same game.
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Post by: Nagumo on November 04, 2013, 06:46:00 AM
Agree. If anybody saved the list, a PM would be appreciated. I've never been one to mind spoilers.

I second that. Or please just post what you remember in spoiler tags, Kingshango.
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Post by: Shiitake on November 04, 2013, 07:11:30 AM
Tip: Dracula can teleport when he falls from a platform, but watch out for his healthbar.
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Post by: Kingshango on November 04, 2013, 07:33:09 AM
I found the list but it was very long due to it listing every segment, so I narrowed it down a bit by each arc and added some tiny interpretation of some mission arcs. Oh and the mission names are shortened for some reason.
Beyond this post, there will be potential spoilers, view at your own risk!

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Post by: Lilgigs on November 04, 2013, 09:15:00 AM

This is my opinion, sorry if it upsets anyone, I had to share it.

That is great and all but you should do a little research before stating things as facts.

As Chernabogue and Asgardwolf said, some if not all of those things will be in game.  There was a 15 min game play video of one void sword power. There will be transformations. There will be other powers.

Konami is holding off on showing everything. This game does not come out until February 2014, things will slowly come out.  If you read through this thread you will also find leaked info about things that are appearing in game.

Check back again at the time of the VGAs/Christmas, I am pretty sure you will see a game play blowout.
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Post by: flyingchai on November 04, 2013, 10:23:55 AM
I found the list but it was very long due to it listing every segment, so I narrowed it down a bit by each arc and added some tiny interpretation of some mission arcs

Wow, interesting. So...this list is an abbreviated version, though? Was there more to it or did I misinterpret?
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Post by: Kingshango on November 04, 2013, 10:39:19 AM
Wow, interesting. So...this list is an abbreviated version, though? Was there more to it or did I misinterpret?

The whole list was abbreviated like that.
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Post by: Lilgigs on November 04, 2013, 11:27:25 AM
Wow, interesting. So...this list is an abbreviated version, though? Was there more to it or did I misinterpret?

The leaked list had like 10 lines of the same thing for each chapter:

So for example:

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Post by: Intersection on November 04, 2013, 12:51:08 PM
Here's the full list:

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Here's a hypothetical order of events:

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Post by: Ahasverus on November 04, 2013, 06:01:51 PM
Multiple endings because.. why not?
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Post by: Maedhros on November 04, 2013, 06:30:15 PM
Dracula's Theme,The Throne Room... they're both pretty amazing.

Combat I and Combat II... I can't even tell which one is better... I'm leaning more toward the second... it sounds completely different from anything LoS did. The eletronic beat is pretty good.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 05, 2013, 03:59:17 AM
My speculation on the ending/s:

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I might edit this as more news comes around, but if I got it correct, hehehehehe.....
I think the cold medicine is driving my imagination.  :)
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 05, 2013, 07:24:29 AM
If there is only one ending, I would prefer that after all is said and done, he dies and his soul is purified and goes to heaven to be with Marie. Not likely I know, but given everything that has happened to him, he deserves it. He saved the world as a human from Satan, but lost everything in the process. Then, he loses becomes a vampire in order to defeat TFO thus saving the world again, but when Gabriel returns from that battle he has become a threat to humanity himself.

He literally lost everything and became what he used to fight against. I know life isn't fair, but come on. If God is truly good and merciful (and not the dick I think that he/she/it is), then he/she/it should reward Gabriel if he beats Satan again by purifying Gabriel and allowing him to ascend to heaven (absolved of all his sins as a vampire) to spend eternity with Marie.
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Post by: flyingchai on November 05, 2013, 07:59:58 AM
MS wants LOS2 to be something that people will be talking about for a long while.
The happy ending with Gabriel being redeemed would NOT be something worth talking about for a while. It would be a typical redemption of the anti-hero situations. They wanted, as Cox said, "an epic tragedy." I'm sure there will be no happy ending.
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Post by: Nagumo on November 05, 2013, 08:06:08 AM
A redemption ending is fine, as long as Gabula admits in end that what he did was wrong and he shouldn't have blamed other people. Then he might actually become a likeable character.   
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Post by: VladCT on November 05, 2013, 08:09:47 AM
He literally lost everything and became what he used to fight against. I know life isn't fair, but come on. If God is truly good and merciful (and not the dick I think that he/she/it is), then he/she/it should reward Gabriel if he beats Satan again by purifying Gabriel and allowing him to ascend to heaven (absolved of all his sins as a vampire) to spend eternity with Marie.
MS wants LOS2 to be something that people will be talking about for a long while.
The happy ending with Gabriel being redeemed would NOT be something worth talking about for a while. It would be a typical redemption of the anti-hero situations. They wanted, as Cox said, "an epic tragedy." I'm sure there will be no happy ending.
If there's anything I'm okay with in LoS, it's that God's a dick. I've seen my fair share of jerkass Gods in other games anyway, and if anything, the stories tend to be more memorable because of that, though it's not that simple either.
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Post by: Dremn on November 05, 2013, 08:55:41 AM
My speculation on the ending/s:

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I might edit this as more news comes around, but if I got it correct, hehehehehe.....
I think the cold medicine is driving my imagination.  :)
I remember we all had a similar theory for LoS1.

I don't think anyone is going to guess what will happen in LoS2, if Cox wants to surprise us and keep us talking for awhile I'm expecting another crazy "what the fuck" moment of sorts for the climax.

I really hope they don't give the story any less ends so we can squash any possibility of more sequels being made, LoS2 looks like a fitting end for this new timeline and I hope they continue to keep it as such. The flavor and hype this game has going for it now would be ruined if we find out early this isn't actually the end of the LoS saga.
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Post by: Melanicus on November 05, 2013, 09:46:15 AM
Here's what I think might happen:

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Post by: flyingchai on November 05, 2013, 10:17:04 AM
And another thing about Dracula vs. Satan...

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Post by: Kamirine on November 05, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
A redemption ending is fine, as long as Gabula admits in end that what he did was wrong and he shouldn't have blamed other people. Then he might actually become a likeable character.

I sorta agree and disagree with this one.  I mean on the one hand, I acknowledge that there are certain things Gabe must come to terms with and except responsibility, but on the other hand, a lot of the events that transpired were not of his own doing or through the manipulation of others. From Marie to Satan himself, those he thought he could trust and those he barely knew.  His hatred and reactions are believable and date I say, human, which is why he has become one of my favorite personifications of Dracula.

If anything, I want him to let go and forgive. Admitting the things he's done wrong, whether it was his fault or not, will be a tad easier then. 
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Post by: Dremn on November 05, 2013, 12:03:35 PM
I think the Brotherhood has a lot to do with everything. We barely know anything about them, and they're the ones who told Marie about the prophecy using the Mirror of Fate. I had a feeling for awhile they're secretly a cult that worships Satan or the Dark arts.

If I am right, why did they need Gabriel to become Dracula?
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Post by: Kamirine on November 05, 2013, 01:05:56 PM
Maybe becoming Dracula wasn't part of the plan for them.  Like they were hoping he would die shortly afterward or at least, have no idea they were apart of anything.
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Post by: Kingshango on November 05, 2013, 01:59:41 PM
I think the Brotherhood had to do something about the Lords of Shadow or let the Lords reign over the world. So they opted for one of their own to become something far worse in exchange and hope that they raise his son to be strong enough to face him.

Only thing is that I don't think they saw Trevor failing.
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Post by: Maedhros on November 05, 2013, 03:45:16 PM
If there is only one ending, I would prefer that after all is said and done, he dies and his soul is purified and goes to heaven to be with Marie. Not likely I know, but given everything that has happened to him, he deserves it. He saved the world as a human from Satan, but lost everything in the process. Then, he loses becomes a vampire in order to defeat TFO thus saving the world again, but when Gabriel returns from that battle he has become a threat to humanity himself.

He literally lost everything and became what he used to fight against. I know life isn't fair, but come on. If God is truly good and merciful (and not the dick I think that he/she/it is), then he/she/it should reward Gabriel if he beats Satan again by purifying Gabriel and allowing him to ascend to heaven (absolved of all his sins as a vampire) to spend eternity with Marie.
Let me hope you're fucking wrong. Prefictable as hell, boring. I'll pray for the ending not be this everyday.
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Post by: Flame on November 05, 2013, 06:35:55 PM
It's the best kind of ending for this kind of Dracula. Redemption is the only way it can end. He can't end it like a villain, because let's face it, this Dracula is far less of a villain than Mathias. Mathias is a villain. Gabriel has legitimate hatred for his situation. he was betrayed and manipulated every step of the way in what he believed was the right thing to do, and it ended with him becoming that which he hunted down in the first place, and he recieved nary a thank you or any kind of appreciation from anyone for all he sacrificed. He's a tragedy, not a black and white villain. Those kinds of tragic villains, are usually given redemption, of some form, or some form of remorseful release. (See: Mr Freeze in the DCAU)
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Post by: Maedhros on November 05, 2013, 07:20:30 PM
Setting up for complete dissapointment then. Because there's no way they can pull this without being bad.
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Post by: SaibotMK on November 05, 2013, 08:10:02 PM
That is great and all but you should do a little research before stating things as facts.

As Chernabogue and Asgardwolf said, some if not all of those things will be in game.  There was a 15 min game play video of one void sword power. There will be transformations. There will be other powers.

Konami is holding off on showing everything. This game does not come out until February 2014, things will slowly come out.  If you read through this thread you will also find leaked info about things that are appearing in game.

Check back again at the time of the VGAs/Christmas, I am pretty sure you will see a game play blowout.

Yes... But see I'm not. Believe me I wish I was, let me shed some light on this. I am not playing ignorant,

1. I am %100 fully aware of Dracula's MOP abilities, I have seen all of them first hand.

2. The first trailer was a cinematic trailer, we saw Dracula teleport, we saw him transform into a black mist bat looking thing. I will tell you now, that confirms absolutely nothing.

3. I have seen the latest full gameplay demo, I %100 sure Cox said "We are giving you all of Dracula's powers to play with at the start of the demo". He says in multiple interviews. I am not saying that is all we will see, what was shown in the demo, but nothing else has been confirmed to my knowledge.

4. Their has to my knowledge no footage or confirmation of a dash teleport in anyway shape or form. (Again I hope I am very wrong, really).

5. I know about mist, but I do not think it is what everyone thinks. It is not just some ability you can just use at any given time. Only at certain parts of the game (again, hope I am wrong).

With all that said, I will say again, I am not trying to upset people. I am not stating facts, but either is anyone else. there is no sources, no proof, no facts, that I am wrong.

I just hope I am (wrong).
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Post by: Flame on November 05, 2013, 08:29:42 PM
Setting up for complete dissapointment then. Because there's no way they can pull this without being bad.
I guess it comes down to taste. For example, if classic Draculahad ended at SoTN, i would have been ok with that, given the context. he went to war with humanity because they killed his wife, and he learned her last words were to not hate Humans. He loses to Alucard and questions how, and Alucard mentions how he lost the ability to love, etc etc. Dracula begs his son to forgive him, and dies. it would have worked, and he seemed remorseful, which makes his appearances later on seem a bit hollow, barring the excuse of chaos and all that jazz.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Puritan on November 05, 2013, 09:31:22 PM
I guess it comes down to taste. For example, if classic Draculahad ended at SoTN, i would have been ok with that, given the context. he went to war with humanity because they killed his wife, and he learned her last words were to not hate Humans. He loses to Alucard and questions how, and Alucard mentions how he lost the ability to love, etc etc. Dracula begs his son to forgive him, and dies. it would have worked, and he seemed remorseful, which makes his appearances later on seem a bit hollow, barring the excuse of chaos and all that jazz.

On a similar note: as much as I enjoyed OOE, I'd have been happy if there was an uninterrupted 100 year gap between SOTN and CV's version of the Bram Stoker novel.

CV3 and The Adventure too. COD sorta cheapened Trevor's victory.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on November 05, 2013, 10:38:24 PM
Yes... But see I'm not. Believe me I wish I was, let me shed some light on this. I am not playing ignorant,

2. The first trailer was a cinematic trailer, we saw Dracula teleport, we saw him transform into a black mist bat looking thing. I will tell you now, that confirms absolutely nothing.

3. I have seen the latest full gameplay demo, I %100 sure Cox said "We are giving you all of Dracula's powers to play with at the start of the demo". He says in multiple interviews. I am not saying that is all we will see, what was shown in the demo, but nothing else has been confirmed to my knowledge.


5. I know about mist, but I do not think it is what everyone thinks. It is not just some ability you can just use at any given time. Only at certain parts of the game (again, hope I am wrong).

I just hope I am (wrong).


2. Why would MS showcase something like teleport in a trailer and not put it in game? Laura can mist/teleport in the DLC and Gabe/Dracula will most likely have the same Mist/teleport ability.

3. You haven't seen all the gameplay footage. In the DEMO you get the three weapons. In the Gamescom footage you see void sword powers. You claim that by trusting Cox completely you are fully powered at the start. You don't have the freeze power at the start, you get it later on in the game, just like the rest of the powers.

Here is the Gamescom footage: www.youtube.com/watch?v=unQ50CiKNz8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unQ50CiKNz8#)

Cox has been known to lie on numerous occasions, he doesn't give things away and misleads you on purpose.

5. Here is a brief snippet of an article:
Being Dracula isn't a matter of translating good into evil - Gabriel has a new range of unique perks. He's now able to transform into a mist, something that's useful for combat, and for passing iron fences. You can glamour mortals, controlling your enemies. You can also "disappear into the night, unseen", which translates into "there may be some stealth bits".

Full article: http://www.oxm.co.uk/55544/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-improved-combat-new-titan-battles-and-the-open-world/?page=2 (http://www.oxm.co.uk/55544/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-improved-combat-new-titan-battles-and-the-open-world/?page=2)

Thanks!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 06, 2013, 12:34:08 AM
Upon ingesting more cold medication...

Here's a much better theory, in my opinion, on the ending.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on November 06, 2013, 05:35:07 AM
It's the best kind of ending for this kind of Dracula. Redemption is the only way it can end. He can't end it like a villain, because let's face it, this Dracula is far less of a villain than Mathias. Mathias is a villain. Gabriel has legitimate hatred for his situation. he was betrayed and manipulated every step of the way in what he believed was the right thing to do, and it ended with him becoming that which he hunted down in the first place, and he recieved nary a thank you or any kind of appreciation from anyone for all he sacrificed. He's a tragedy, not a black and white villain. Those kinds of tragic villains, are usually given redemption, of some form, or some form of remorseful release. (See: Mr Freeze in the DCAU)
But that's where you're wrong. No matter how bitterly he was betrayed, no matter how maliciously he was manipulated, and no matter how regretful of his plight he might now be, Gabriel knows that he can no longer escape what he has become. Dracula is a creature of evil, of hatred, of pure despair, rebelling against the very deity in whose name he once fought. The blind love which once guided him is now naught but a shadow, the insubstantial reminiscence of a passion he can no longer harbor -- all of it has now turned into the inexhaustible rancor and scorn that so defines Dracula's character. Gabriel knows that there is no going back; he knows all too well that there can be no redemption for him. In the end, that is the terrible truth that he so loathes to admit, and the true essence of LoS2's tragedy: he will blame everything for his abhorrent fate, except for what truly brought it about: Gabriel himself.


Upon ingesting more cold medication...

Here's a much better theory, in my opinion, on the ending.

(click to show/hide)
Damn, your ideas are incredible. Spare me a portion of that cold medicine, would you?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on November 06, 2013, 08:12:03 AM
What system is everyone getting the game on?

It seems like PC might be the best version to maximize visuals and have a consistent frame rate.

I am guessing the game is being developed on the PC at the same time as the console version since they have shown off the PC version at e3, Gamescom etc.

I am also guessing we will see a ps4 and xbox one port holiday next year.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 06, 2013, 11:06:08 AM
But that's where you're wrong. No matter how bitterly he was betrayed, no matter how maliciously he was manipulated, and no matter how regretful of his plight he might now be, Gabriel knows that he can no longer escape what he has become. Dracula is a creature of evil, of hatred, of pure despair, rebelling against the very deity in whose name he once fought. The blind love which once guided him is now naught but a shadow, the insubstantial reminiscence of a passion he can no longer harbor -- all of it has now turned into the inexhaustible rancor and scorn that so defines Dracula's character. Gabriel knows that there is no going back; he knows all too well that there can be no redemption for him. In the end, that is the terrible truth that he so loathes to admit, and the true essence of LoS2's tragedy: he will blame everything for his abhorrent fate, except for what truly brought it about: Gabriel himself.

Except Gabriel did NOT bring it on himself. He was following orders. he was doing his duty to the Brotherhood. It was prophesied that the Lords of Shadow were the key to ending the dark spell over the land, and that by getting the pieces of the God mask from them, he might be able to resurrect his wife. Marie, pan, and the Brotherhood all lied to him and misled him however, so that he would be unaware of his ultimate fate.

Even leaving out his rage and pain at not being able to revive Marie, and Satan being the mastermind behind the whole plot, with Zobek stringing him along, In killing the Lords, he unleashed the Forgotten one and weakened his seal. He killed the Lords, so he was responsible for bringing about a creature that could decimate the world. And the only way to enter it's realm to stop it was to become a Vampire, and lose his Humanity. The DLC very clearly shows his progression, as he turns, he slowly becomes colder and more arrogant until he is declaring himself "The Dragon".

It's hardly his fault at all. After that however, there is the matter of his blind rage towards the brotherhood for doing that to him, and the unfortunate concequences of their antagonism towards him.

They hid his son from him and sent him to his death,
They caused Simon's mother to be killed during the attack on the Brotherhood, carried out in vengeance for the death of his son
They caused Simon to also wish vengeance upon his father's killer, not knowing the circumstances.

It's all a viscous cycle.

Besides, the whole point of LoS' epilogue, and the prominent modern day theme of LoS2 is that Zobek bargains for Gabriel's help in stopping Satan again in exchange for releasing him from his immortality. Which he CAn do, he IS death after all- Although I'm willing to bet that it's not Zobek which will release him in the end.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: kadosho on November 06, 2013, 12:22:48 PM
From the start, it always felt that Gabriel's intention was of protecting humanity. Never to cause harm.
Yet Zobek's offer of "aid" comes with a heavy price. The visions, the quest, all of it lead to somewhere.
I feel that this Dracula is unlike any other we've come across. Not to mention that he is the anti-hero lost to time itself.

I am very curious to see where Lords of Shadows II will lead our (dare I say) "hero" next!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on November 06, 2013, 06:57:16 PM

2. Why would MS showcase something like teleport in a trailer and not put it in game? Laura can mist/teleport in the DLC and Gabe/Dracula will most likely have the same Mist/teleport ability.

3. You haven't seen all the gameplay footage. In the DEMO you get the three weapons. In the Gamescom footage you see void sword powers. You claim that by trusting Cox completely you are fully powered at the start. You don't have the freeze power at the start, you get it later on in the game, just like the rest of the powers.

Here is the Gamescom footage: www.youtube.com/watch?v=unQ50CiKNz8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unQ50CiKNz8#)

Cox has been known to lie on numerous occasions, he doesn't give things away and misleads you on purpose.

5. Here is a brief snippet of an article:
Being Dracula isn't a matter of translating good into evil - Gabriel has a new range of unique perks. He's now able to transform into a mist, something that's useful for combat, and for passing iron fences. You can glamour mortals, controlling your enemies. You can also "disappear into the night, unseen", which translates into "there may be some stealth bits".

Full article: http://www.oxm.co.uk/55544/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-improved-combat-new-titan-battles-and-the-open-world/?page=2 (http://www.oxm.co.uk/55544/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-improved-combat-new-titan-battles-and-the-open-world/?page=2)

Thanks!

Firstly, thank you for taking the time to reply, I was wrong and am very glad I was as I was hoping to be. I have followed this thread off & on early on, this is actually not the first time I shared negativity, doubt or wonder. It has been awhile since I have researched the game in depth, and yes, I should have researched before posting.

Thanks
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 06, 2013, 07:30:21 PM
I really love that dodge Gabe has, and the way it leaves blood trails behind. reminds me of the SoTN Dracula art, where his cape pooled into blood at the floor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on November 07, 2013, 08:53:26 AM
Good interview

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/07/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-developer-video-examines-the-creation-of-dracula/ (http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/07/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-developer-video-examines-the-creation-of-dracula/)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on November 07, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
I think we can all agree that Dracula's characterization is the best thing to come out of this series. Carlyle is just God.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 07, 2013, 01:39:36 PM
Agreed, many times over.  Carlyle really does have to rate up there as one of the best Draculas out there.  I'm loving the passionate, and very powerful speeches which he's given in the gameplay trailers for LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on November 07, 2013, 03:04:28 PM
I just don't find HOW he actually got to be transform into Dracula. It was not really well done. But if I ignore all of that, yes, I agree. Carlyle makes an excelent Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 07, 2013, 06:10:43 PM
I just don't find HOW he actually got to be transform into Dracula. It was not really well done. But if I ignore all of that, yes, I agree. Carlyle makes an excelent Dracula.
I totally agree with this. I think transformation of Dracula into a vampire is always the least interesting part. Would have loved that they didn't reveal it and kept in ambiguous instead of releasing those terrible DLC chapters. And I think it didn't matter much to creators either since they didn't even feature how he transformed in the freakin game. My best advice to them if they do present how he transformed in Lords of Shadows 2 is to jettison the DLC chapter explanation and come up with something better. Because the whole getting to shadow plane was really weak.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on November 07, 2013, 07:05:38 PM
I have no doubt if this interview has been posted yet or not as it dates back to August 9th. However, it is the best interview I have ever read about the game so far.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/19/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-interview-on-gabriels-vampire-powers-and-surprising-players/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/19/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-interview-on-gabriels-vampire-powers-and-surprising-players/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 07, 2013, 08:23:56 PM
Yep read the interview hinting at Zobek "Death Battle" and weapon customization and exploration and possibly Alucard DLC. And I agree it is the most indepth interview so far.

By the way you guys I played the demo and its really good. However I hope the void sword beefs up in power throughout the game because its seriously weak right now I just use to gain health and then rely on the badass fire fists and whip. Actually I don't know if the telport is super necessary since the dash mechanic is pretty awesome and I worry telport will make the game is easy. I think if they do grant it should be super late in game kinda of like Devil May Cry 3 and 4 use of the telport.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 07, 2013, 09:39:00 PM
Good interview

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/07/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-developer-video-examines-the-creation-of-dracula/ (http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/07/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-developer-video-examines-the-creation-of-dracula/)
Dave's favorite Dracula was the coppola version? Heh, not a real surprise, given how strongly Gabriel's Dracula draws from Gary Oldman's Dracula. Right down to wearing red armor. (though that's probably just a coincidence, since Gabe was designed to resemble CV2 Simon) Even more than Mathias even, who was also very obviously based on the same Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on November 08, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
I have no doubt if this interview has been posted yet or not as it dates back to August 9th. However, it is the best interview I have ever read about the game so far.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/19/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-interview-on-gabriels-vampire-powers-and-surprising-players/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/19/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-interview-on-gabriels-vampire-powers-and-surprising-players/)
Yeah, in the epilogue Zobek said he is going to rid Gabriel from the immortality he’s cursed with.

 

There is a weapon Gabriel once had that is able to end his life. Remember in the DLC, he broke it.


In mirror of fate Alucard found a piece and i bet that`s how the combat cross was remade and gived to Victor or some Belmont ancestor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 08, 2013, 01:18:18 PM


In mirror of fate Alucard found a piece and i bet that`s how the combat cross was remade and gived to Victor or some Belmont ancestor.

Its been confirmed that Alucard used that piece to make his sword in LOS2.

So unless Alucard dies and it somehow makes it way to victor (which I doubt) then there is no way Victor is getting it.

My bet is that the brotherhood will just had another whip made since they have been shown able to do so such as when they made one for Trevor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 08, 2013, 01:43:21 PM
Its been confirmed that Alucard used that piece to make his sword in LOS2.

So unless Alucard dies and it somehow makes it way to victor (which I doubt) then there is no way Victor is getting it.

My bet is that the brotherhood will just had another whip made since they have been shown able to do so such as when they made one for Trevor.
But will that whip be able to kill him? Trevor's wasn't. gabriel's combat cross was special. it was made by Rinaldo gandolfi, and individual powerful anti-dark upgrades were hidden all around town, and Gabe got them all. Particularly the vampire killing stake.

The Crosses made after are more than likely just replicas. they might not even be made by Rinaldo, seeing as he disappeared and seems to be hiding around somewhere disguised as a senile old man.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on November 08, 2013, 01:48:16 PM
Its been confirmed that Alucard used that piece to make his sword in LOS2.

So unless Alucard dies and it somehow makes it way to victor (which I doubt) then there is no way Victor is getting it.

My bet is that the brotherhood will just had another whip made since they have been shown able to do so such as when they made one for Trevor.
Source pls?

The one made for Trevor is just a copy as you can read it on the MOF description, It can`t kill Dracula as we saw in the same game. It doesn`t even look like the combat cross, but Victor`s... Presonally i dont think Alucard used the cross piece for his sword; as we also saw in MOF he can`t kill Dracula and should be a (Human/not vampire/whatever the reason is) Belmont....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 08, 2013, 02:00:31 PM
Source pls?

..

Haven't you been following Cox's tweets about LOS2?

I thought it was common knowledge around here by now, but maybe you missed it...

Here
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/311013685730627584

Someone asked what became of the combot cross piece that Alucard found and Cox said "that will become a sword".

Obviously its the sword Alucard is seen wielding.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on November 08, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
https://mega.co.nz/#!zcAEkK6D!A6EHOWj-5A9JtUjlFUbTTmVz79IStwENWvbeWyC4vr4

Lords of Shadow 2 demo OST
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on November 08, 2013, 06:13:40 PM
I wish they explained why the Combat Cross is the only thing that can kill Gabriel, unless they planned on elaborating on it in LoS2. There have been no hints whatsoever or clues pointing toward his original weapon being the only thing that can destroy him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on November 08, 2013, 08:12:25 PM
Yep read the interview hinting at Zobek "Death Battle" and weapon customization and exploration and possibly Alucard DLC. And I agree it is the most indepth interview so far.

By the way you guys I played the demo and its really good. However I hope the void sword beefs up in power throughout the game because its seriously weak right now I just use to gain health and then rely on the badass fire fists and whip. Actually I don't know if the telport is super necessary since the dash mechanic is pretty awesome and I worry telport will make the game is easy. I think if they do grant it should be super late in game kinda of like Devil May Cry 3 and 4 use of the telport.

I could see dash evolving into a dash teleport later into the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: kadosho on November 09, 2013, 11:12:37 AM
From the teasers so far, it seems we do cross timelines, and eventually come to terms with who Gabriel has become (including Alucard). Possibly entailing a present day venture? Hm.. what can rival the VK I have always wondered since day one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on November 11, 2013, 02:13:46 PM
Searching around Youtube for any type of media for the game and came across a bit of footage that hasn't been shown before.

La cámara libre de Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGvkL71AbEA#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on November 11, 2013, 02:46:17 PM
Actual platforming?

Shenanigans. This has to be fake.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on November 11, 2013, 03:55:36 PM
My body is ready
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on November 11, 2013, 04:13:31 PM
Holy tits, actual platforming! In 3D. And the SHITTY AUTOMATIC platforming is fast enough to not make me puke.

Everything sounds great so far.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 11, 2013, 06:06:49 PM
Wow!!! He actually moves at a decent speed. In LoS1, he was so slow and it always seemed like he would fall off at any moment. From what I saw in this video, that is not the case. They've actually improved the platforming. Looks like MS has learned from the negatives from LoS1.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on November 11, 2013, 09:15:37 PM
Searching around Youtube for any type of media for the game and came across a bit of footage that hasn't been shown before.

La cámara libre de Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGvkL71AbEA#ws)


Does anyone know who this child is?

This time there is a free camera.

Not only can we enjoy the ????

But for example, over there is another secret, we have to drift apart from the way to get to it, but no problem,
The map will turn into a valuable ally to move and progress.

We can go back to the main route, or we can see whats down here, theres another one.

Im showing you the easy ones, not the harder ones!

Like in lords of shadow, theres plenty to break.

Many of them offer little prizes, for example, experience points.

Now lets find our way back.

I already know, its this way.

We have improved the platforming system, its much faster its more manageable than in lords of shadow 1. Even with the free camera its no problem.

Now lets get back to the path.

With this aesthetic view point each time the game ???? Contrast ....????
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on November 12, 2013, 12:26:38 AM
The child is Trevor
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 12, 2013, 12:38:51 AM
He was translating what they guy in the video said.

My body is ready
Same. though honestly, im beginning to wonder if my body truly is ready..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on November 12, 2013, 07:49:52 AM
ACTUAL PLATFORMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...

...

*ahem* Well, I have to allow myself to have some fun, every once in a while.
Fantastic news, anyhow -- although they could still push it one step further. If they manage to do that, I'll be happy. Really. I will.



Note: does anyone else feel as if Dracula resembles a teddy bear?  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on November 12, 2013, 08:11:14 AM
He was translating what they guy in the video said.

:X
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Post by: Rugal on November 12, 2013, 08:14:14 AM
I wonder if Gabriel is in Slytherin or Gryffindor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on November 12, 2013, 09:32:37 AM
But...I remember LoS1 had some platforming too, I don't know what everyone is getting excited about. ???

I assumed platforming was to be expected.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on November 12, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
But...I remember LoS1 had some platforming too, I don't know what everyone is getting excited about. ???

I assumed platforming was to be expected.
There's like... 3 instances in LoS with really good platforming. The rest is composed of the shitty wall shimming or the semi automatic whip hanging or even the torturous plank walking.

Give me platforms flying in the sky, give me a double jump, pusish me for wrong jump and it's all set.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on November 12, 2013, 05:58:21 PM
I wonder if Gabriel is in Slytherin or Gryffindor.

Is it a joke about the candles?

Otherwise, I don't get it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 12, 2013, 09:30:29 PM
I wonder if Gabriel is in Slytherin or Gryffindor.

Gryffindor, I'd say. Gabriel is a Gryffindor. Even as Dracula I don't think he's really sleazy and snake enough to by Slytherin. he's fucking evil, but still got that courage and personality of a Gryffindor. Now Satan, would be a Slytherin. And I'm NOT saying that just because of Jason Isaacs.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on November 12, 2013, 11:41:38 PM
I see the subweapon d-pad thing is back.

Oh man, pleeease let the blood vomit be a subweapon. Please.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 13, 2013, 03:29:05 PM
Somehow I doubt that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on November 13, 2013, 04:13:15 PM
I know, but it'd be an amazing way to taunt enemies during a battle.

guillotine - buzzsaw - ground pound - switch to Void Sword - *HUUUUUUURK* - stab disgusted and appalled vampire.

As for the chandelier platforming, it looks like Gabe is doing the plank-balancing thing on top of them. If you look closely, you can see some have one board, and some have two so you can go in four directions. It's way snappier, anyway, which is really good. I wonder how much freedom you have to jump from a spot you're tethered to, though.

Also of note is that the demoing guy shows you can fall from the higher-up places to the ground and not have to re-spawn or take fall damage. That's good, because this annoyed the piss out of me in the first two games. (And the N64 games, actually.)
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Post by: Flame on November 14, 2013, 05:34:07 AM
part of the open world thing i reckon
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Post by: Intersection on November 14, 2013, 01:04:51 PM
Gryffindor, I'd say. Gabriel is a Gryffindor. Even as Dracula I don't think he's really sleazy and snake enough to by Slytherin. he's fucking evil, but still got that courage and personality of a Gryffindor. Now Satan, would be a Slytherin. And I'm NOT saying that just because of Jason Isaacs.

If we must reason in Hogwarts terms:

Gabriel is a former Gryffindor prefect, expelled from of his own house against his will. He takes refuge in Slytherin, adopting its way of life and climbing up to its highest ranks, all the while swearing revenge against those who expulsed him, as he believes himself to be guiltless.

Wouldn't that be a more appealing explanation?
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Post by: Flame on November 14, 2013, 04:43:37 PM
Not really, because you don't change houses.
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Post by: Sindra on November 14, 2013, 06:23:27 PM
Okay, I just glance over this every once in a while to catch up on LoS2 news.........


...but how the HELL did Harry Potter get in here?? And why is it actually persisting in conversation?! o_O


It's like the 90's came back and it's suddenly fanfic.net in here.


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Post by: VladCT on November 14, 2013, 06:59:48 PM
...but how the HELL did Harry Potter get in here?? And why is it actually persisting in conversation?! o_O
Rugal started it.
...And then Flame ran with it. :P
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Post by: Flame on November 15, 2013, 12:34:43 AM
It was an interesting thought
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 15, 2013, 10:57:14 AM
If we must reason in Hogwarts terms:

Gabriel is a former Gryffindor prefect, expelled from of his own house against his will. He takes refuge in Slytherin, adopting its way of life and climbing up to its highest ranks, all the while swearing revenge against those who expulsed him, as he believes himself to be guiltless.

Wouldn't that be a more appealing explanation?

I disagree with this. As he is an adult and not in school, he is more an Auror (spelling?) who went  after practitioners of the dark arts like the Death Eaters. However, during he quest, he falls deeper and deeper into darkness eventually becoming a Death Eater himself.
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Post by: Ahasverus on November 15, 2013, 11:39:30 AM
This cosplay.. man.. MAAAN

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc08.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2013%2F318%2Fb%2Fc%2Fgabrielbelmont_by_gabbyleithsceal-d6ual8q.jpg&hash=3081de35735aedd0fdfd9dd9e85ec394)

I'm.. speechless.

Now I want a movie. Someone hire this woman.
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Post by: Intersection on November 15, 2013, 02:17:23 PM
Not really, because you don't change houses.
Technicalities, just technicalities.

I disagree with this. As he is an adult and not in school, he is more an Auror (spelling?) who went  after practitioners of the dark arts like the Death Eaters. However, during he quest, he falls deeper and deeper into darkness eventually becoming a Death Eater himself.
Bah. What else was I supposed to say? Rugal's question pertained to Gryffindor and Slytherin. Though I'll admit that I like your idea.

It was an interesting thought
Yup. Interesting. No more, no less. (Although Rugal could have picked something slightly more CV-related.)  ;D

This cosplay.. man.. MAAAN

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/318/b/c/gabrielbelmont_by_gabbyleithsceal-d6ual8q.jpg (http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/318/b/c/gabrielbelmont_by_gabbyleithsceal-d6ual8q.jpg)

I'm.. speechless.

Now I want a movie. Someone hire this woman.
Impressive. I've gotten so used to the generalized sex appeal of female cosplayers that this one came to me as a shock.

Anyhow, I'm all for a movie. I've always been. Even Hymn of Blood didn't quite cut it for me.
Though Lords of Shadow would probably make for a great film...
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Post by: crisis on November 15, 2013, 03:12:42 PM
Lords of Shadow is pretty much a Hollywood director's take on the saga. LoS is the game of the movie.

I've never watch a Harry Potter film.

Rob Carlyle is a good Dracula, yes, but I feel this guy did it way better

21. Curse of Darkness- Dracula (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP5TKOC6_5M#)
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Post by: Kingshango on November 15, 2013, 03:25:07 PM
Well look who came crawling back? :)

What are your takes on LOS2 so far since your last appearance?
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Post by: Trevorcard on November 15, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
Lords of Shadow is pretty much a Hollywood director's take on the saga. LoS is the game of the movie.

I've never watch a Harry Potter film.

Rob Carlyle is a good Dracula, yes, but I feel this guy did it way better

21. Curse of Darkness- Dracula (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP5TKOC6_5M#)

It depends what you want a a standard badass classical version of Dracula or a interesting version of Dracula. I prefer Robert Caryle but I will say this I think his acting didn't reach greatness in this series until he became Dracula. I think Gabriel Belmont his acting was just good.

By the way good to see you back :D
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on November 15, 2013, 03:52:33 PM
This cosplay.. man.. MAAAN

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc08.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2013%2F318%2Fb%2Fc%2Fgabrielbelmont_by_gabbyleithsceal-d6ual8q.jpg&hash=3081de35735aedd0fdfd9dd9e85ec394)

I'm.. speechless.

Now I want a movie. Someone hire this woman.

HOLY SH*T...
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Post by: Kingshango on November 15, 2013, 03:57:04 PM
Yeah that cosplay is insane. :o
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Post by: crisis on November 15, 2013, 05:41:34 PM
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Well look who came crawling back? :)

You... I remember you. You were one of the Vampire Killers that sealed me.

... you've aged.

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What are your takes on LOS2 so far since your last appearance?

I've played the demo, and from the looks of it, LoS2 is going to be a fucking amazing experience. For one, I absolutely adore Dracula's Theme. It's perfect and sets the mood for the entire game. No complaints in the graphics department, obviously. Dracula controls how he should be; swift and responsive, switching between abilities is super easy and I can't wait to see what else he'll have. MS really stepped up their game and I believe many people here that were turned off by LoS1 would be happy with LoS2. I just don't see any glaring flaws that'll make me say "this isn't Castlevania." The epic intro with Dracula battling & climbing that wooden titan structure just screams God of War (to clarify, the presentation of it), whether you look at that as a bad thing is up to you. I think it's awesome.

I recall Cox saying a while back that they have a segment that was inspired by the "3D rotating parallax" effect seen in that castle stage in Super Castlevania IV (if anybody's beaten the game, you'll know what I'm talking about). Looking forward to that. As for my theories about that plot? They're not that dissimilar from everyone elses, except for a few things: I believe the dream/flashback stuff that Dracula sees involving Carmilla and chibi Trevor is all just a ruse devised by the Toy Maker, for whatever reason. I also believe the Toy Maker might turn out to be Rinaldo; now I know in LoS1 it's hinted that he's disguised as an old beggar living in a swamp, but from what I gathered from MoF, I don't believe that. MoF says the Toy Maker was Gandolfi's apprentice, and was able to create a replica of the Combat Cross. But he was then "cursed" into what he is today. But they also say that it's possible he can be "un-cursed." For some reason I'm thinking that he's gonna turn out to be Gandolfi himself. I dunno why.

As for the ending, Cox said that they've created a finale that no one will expect. Therefor, the cookie-cutter "Dracula repents, reverts to his Gabriel-self, defeats Satan and goes to Heaven" ending is just too predictable and I agree that's the most logical way it could end, HOWEVER I've thought about something completely different, but possible. What if, at the climax, in order for Dracula to defeat Satan and free himself from immortality (I don't believe Zobek will do it, despite what he "promises"), he uses the old time machine in his castle to travel back before the events of LoS1 and causes a time-rift of sorts, destroying all that has transpired in the LoS universe thus allowing for the canon timeline, Lament of Innocence events to take place instead? Pretty bizarre, I know, but it will indeed be a "shocking" ending like Cox promised. Just thought I'd throw that possibility out there.

I'm just a bit confused on the timeline of events, perhaps one of you can clarify for me. At the end of MoF, the castle is clearly destroyed upon Dracula's "defeat" at the hands of Simon & Alucard. How then, is it still fully in-tact by the beginning of LoS2? Does it in fact take place several decades after MoF (Alucard is there, so it happens after MoF's events)?
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Post by: Maedhros on November 15, 2013, 06:45:27 PM
I think that's about right, as Castlevania itself is a creature of darkness. I think that remains true even here, the Castle simply reconstructed itself.
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Post by: Flame on November 15, 2013, 06:46:46 PM
Considering that it's supposedly a seamless world, where you can travel between castle and modern city, well, also keep in mind, the castle crumbled after Gabriel defeated Carmilla as well. Or partially. If the idea that you fight Alucard at the end of the "demo" is true, as the very first teaser for LoS2 implied, then I figure it works the same way it used to. Castle rises when Dracula does.
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Post by: Maedhros on November 15, 2013, 07:20:24 PM
Considering that it's supposedly a seamless world, where you can travel between castle and modern city, well, also keep in mind, the castle crumbled after Gabriel defeated Carmilla as well. Or partially. If the idea that you fight Alucard at the end of the "demo" is true, as the very first teaser for LoS2 implied, then I figure it works the same way it used to. Castle rises when Dracula does.
I still don't believe it's REALLY seamless...

Do you know how they handled the DLC chapter were you go collect the three souls/orbs of the founders? When you pass from one area to another, we get a bit of loading (it's pretty fast though). I think we'll be getting many of these in this game too.
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Post by: Flame on November 16, 2013, 05:54:50 AM
I recall them mentioning seamless. they might be taking a note from arkham city.
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Post by: Intersection on November 16, 2013, 07:49:36 AM
Rob Carlyle is a good Dracula, yes, but I feel this guy did it way better

21. Curse of Darkness- Dracula (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP5TKOC6_5M#)
Indeed. I love the look on his face when he shouts: "Humans are not worthy of the air they breathe!" -- you simply can't do better than that for a classic CV Dracula.

And for that matter, Curse of Darkness easily stands toe-to-toe with Lords of Shadow in narrative terms. Although LoS2 might just change that. I'll have to wait and see.

I still don't believe it's REALLY seamless...

Do you know how they handled the DLC chapter were you go collect the three souls/orbs of the founders? When you pass from one area to another, we get a bit of loading (it's pretty fast though). I think we'll be getting many of these in this game too.
Does that really matter? I don't really mind loading times -- not as long as they preserve that sense of cohesion we're looking for. LoI and CoD had them aplenty, but still managed to present their branching pathways as a single, unified world.

In the end, the only thing I'm actually worried about for LoS2 is its musical score. If the end product sounds at all like what we've heard in the orchestral suite, then I'm afraid that its score will turn out just as dull as its predecessor. Don't get me wrong: Araujo's compositions are very decent; but in the end, they just make for the above-average, generic gaming fare.
The more I listen to the music of previous CV titles (especially the PS2 tracks), the more I'm convinced of this.
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Post by: Chernabogue on November 16, 2013, 08:54:54 AM
Maybe spoilers, just a detail from a trailer.

----

One detail intrigued me. Look at 3:55 in the Gamescon trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZ3ILqCVEg#) (or the E3 2013 trailer), just after the fight between Dracula and that scientist demon thing.

Dracula goes through a portal, he wears his "old Dracula" outfit, but seems to be younger (pitch-black hair, muscles, etc.). Also, he seems to be in the "Satan's office", we saw the artwork some time ago. Anyone else noticed it?
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Post by: Belmontoya on November 16, 2013, 09:41:22 AM
Man... I don't think Curse of Darkness is even in the same league as Lords of Shadow.

LOS has Patrick Stewart...

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Post by: Maedhros on November 16, 2013, 10:46:27 AM
^
Voice that was great for some chapters. I wish I could make him shut up after some time playing.

Carlyle narrating was much better.

He was great as Zobek though.
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Post by: Trevorcard on November 16, 2013, 10:50:11 AM
Totally agree. Robert Caryle acting was way better in later half of the game and DLC Chapters. But I think he was expressing Gabriel Belmont true self a violent man who loved to kill and has been repressing it all this time.
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Post by: Flame on November 16, 2013, 12:54:29 PM
I'm sad that they never got Crispin Freeman to actually voice Dracula proper. He voiced Mathias, but never Dracula.

Why Konami.
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Post by: Trevorcard on November 16, 2013, 01:02:57 PM
It would too reminiscent of Alucard (from anime :P) and would be pretty distracting. Would have loved Crispin Freeman in this game but man Lords of Shadows THEY DO LIKE THEIR BRIIIIIIITSH!
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on November 16, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
Man... I don't think Curse of Darkness is even in the same league as Lords of Shadow.

LOS has Patrick Stewart...
So does Robin Hood: Men in Tights. What's the point?
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on November 16, 2013, 02:36:25 PM
Well yes, of course british, irish or scottish. It's supossed to be in Europe.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on November 16, 2013, 03:50:27 PM
Well yes, of course british, irish or scottish. It's supossed to be in Europe.
I still believe the LoS series doesn't take place in Romania, but some undisclosed nation in an alternate fantasy version of Europe. And by all means, it doesn't have to take place in Romania. If they were given enough leeway to do their own thing, it COULD be set in any country they choose, even the British Isles. It doesn't follow actualy history, it doesn't follow Bram Stoker's novel, and doesn't even follow the original canon. I think it has enough room to establish itself anyway it wants. As long as it doesn't go the Blade Trinity route, saying Dracula was an ancient Roman warrior, we're fine.

Though, what you said did make me laugh, as I recalled watching the "Everything Wrong With" CinameSin video for "Les Misérables", and recalled the guy pointing out that it's odd that a despite being set in France, everybody speaks with an English accent(even the American actors). That also made me think of movies like Troy, Clash of the Titans(remake) and Gladiator, where the majority speak with English accents, even the scattered American actors convert to speaking in English accents(and some are pretty bad).
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Post by: Maedhros on November 16, 2013, 03:59:04 PM
Well yes, of course british, irish or scottish. It's supossed to be in Europe.
Except it isn't in Europe at all.
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Post by: Lilgigs on November 16, 2013, 04:44:04 PM
So do we think the next time we will get new info is at VGX (Rebranded VGAs)?

We need more leaks, I want to hear about powers and transformations.



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Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 16, 2013, 05:50:01 PM
I'm sad that they never got Crispin Freeman to actually voice Dracula proper. He voiced Mathias, but never Dracula.

Why Konami.
Well, he was the voice of Hector in CoD. He is a great voice actor and if the 1999 game was ever made in the old cannon, I'd probably choose him as the voice of Dracula.

I also love him as the voice of Alucard in the Hellsing and Hellsing Ultimate series. Now those are 2 great animes (ultimate is much better though and is actually faithful to the manga, which was also great).
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Post by: Kingshango on November 16, 2013, 07:39:08 PM
So do we think the next time we will get new info is at VGX (Rebranded VGAs)?

We need more leaks, I want to hear about powers and transformations.

Bergaron mentioned that his sources say there's gonna be a surprise in December and VGX is also in December. Since GT and Konami are such good buddies, a new trailer for LOS2 should be a sure thing.

Plus the VGX is suppose to be 3 hours this time and they're also including live demo's too. So there's a good chance that we might finally get to see more of the castle and hopefully the city (which they HAVE to show soon since it's a major setting of the game and they can't hide it forever).
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Post by: Flame on November 16, 2013, 09:58:25 PM
It would too reminiscent of Alucard (from anime :P)
That's the point.

He already voiced Pre-Dracula anyway, they could have gone the full 9 yards and made the trivia link
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Post by: crisis on November 17, 2013, 04:09:02 PM
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That's the point.

He already voiced Pre-Dracula anyway, they could have gone the full 9 yards and made the trivia link

So what in your opinion would've happened in MMZX3?
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Post by: Flame on November 17, 2013, 05:32:37 PM
So what in your opinion would've happened in MMZX3?
That's very out of the blue...

I suppose Vent/Aile and Grey/Ashe would take on Master Thomas, who takes over the plan to "reset" the world. Dunno where they wanted to go from ZXA. (obviously they wanted to lead up to legends, but still)
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Post by: Trevorcard on November 18, 2013, 06:57:21 PM
So here is some food for thought.
@gortaithe In CastlevaniaLOS 2 would you consider the Brotherhood and the Belmont clan a separate faction?

 Dave Cox ‏@CastlevaniaLOS No. So your next question should be are the Brotherhood a force for good or not...and therefore are the Belmont's good or not?
‏@gortaithe oh hoho! the answer lies in shades of grey i'm afraid. could Gabriel's reoccurring dark moods have anything to do with it?
 
Dave Cox‏@CastlevaniaLOS- There is no black and white only shades of grey...good people can do bad things and bad people good...

Interesting implications first of all that Brotherhood and Belmonts are one faction. Belmonts may be the current leaders of brotherhood post MOF or the top fighters or generals. Hopefully that doesn't mean the Golden Paladin is a Belmont :P. Also that this shades of grey meaning the Brotherhood and Belmont conflict between Dracula may not be so simple.
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Post by: Flame on November 18, 2013, 10:26:27 PM
From the start the Brotherhood were some shady fuckers.
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Post by: Trevorcard on November 18, 2013, 10:29:50 PM
Another question who built the brotherhood  :o after MOF. Simon Belmont said in MOF that after Trevor Belmont didn't return (i.e) failed Dracula wiped out the brotherhood and none survived. Which means it is possible that Simon or one of his descendant rebuilt the brotherhood.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on November 19, 2013, 07:33:15 AM
Maybe Dracul destroyed only one fortress while others were not attacked
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Post by: kadosho on November 19, 2013, 11:22:35 AM
Oh the webs the Belmont's weaved over the centuries. Tied in history, dark times, and even more desperate moments in humanity.

Curious though the LoS team will wrap up this tremendous arc (or open a pathway to even more territory they can cross).
Come to think of it, LoS's data format crossed 2 GD's and one BR. Curious how much more content they might be capable of in LoS2.

VGX? Oh the Video Game Awards rebranded, read about that recently. Hmm I wonder what Konami might have in store. Maybe even have a Q&A with the team staff and some of the voice cast?
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on November 19, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
With the close of LOS saga, the ''IGA'' saga should be closed too, after the Demon Castle Wars of 1999 of course. A new and lenghty universe should be created, with a similar ''seriousness'' of LOS saga and the rpg elements of IGA's works. It would work as well, the creation of a whole new Belmont family. The names leon, trevor, sonia, christopher, simon, juste, richter, julius, gabriel, etc, could be replaced with new stories and names. Castlevania will need a new breath of life IMO. And also I think that the apparently near absence of heavy japanese influence on the LOS saga worked very well. The european take on Castlevania was a very good thing for the franchise. I've been a fan of Castlevania since I was 7 years old (now I'm 29) and I want the best for this games in the future. It's MY opinion. Hope no one gets upset by this.
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Post by: thernz on November 19, 2013, 01:58:38 PM
imo the rpg elements in the iga games weighed them down, especially in the later games.

if they revitalized the franchise with another universe, they should just
become haunted castle 3.
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Post by: crisis on November 19, 2013, 02:31:53 PM
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A new and lenghty universe should be created, with a similar ''seriousness'' of LOS saga

I respectfully disagree with this statement, mainly because I loved the overall campiness of the classic canon, the type that the Japanese team understood well. It never took itself too seriously, yet was gory & creepy when it wanted to be. There are many, many examples of the saga including several easter eggs & downright silly stuff among all the chaos & demon-slaying that you're doing, and at the same time none of it was a distraction (to me at least), more of a "hey, having fun? here's this random reminder that you're playing a nonsensical Universal Monster-mash-fest! Now continue on~" The easter eggs LoS included just weren't as memorable or charming. Ya see, there's a fine line between campy and corny, and LoS crossed it with dated jokes/references (cake is a lie! deku tree! etc.) that really felt out of place within the context of the game. Really, if the best they can come up with is that bumbling Chupacabra being the JarJar Binks of the franchise, then they should just not even bother. I just think in their attempt to emulate the "campy" feel, it backfired and made most of us just say "uhh.. okay?" and move on.





hi thernz, i missed you..
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Post by: e105beta on November 19, 2013, 02:56:52 PM
I would have to respectfully disagree with you, crisis XD

I love seriousness and overdrama in games trying to tell a story. It helps me get immersed into the game in a way intentional silliness never does.

The last thing I ever want in most games I play are intentional, silly mood breakers to remind me I'm playing a game. If it has to remind me, then it's either ruining the mood or not doing it right in the first place.
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Post by: crisis on November 19, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Well, to each his own.. all I'm saying is that should the next team include the tongue-in-cheek humor the series is known for, then at least make it good and not super-cheezy (like if MS decided to include a segment in LoS2 that has a Chupacabra doing the macarena. Or Dracula doing a puzzle that involves collecting rings and then reading a scroll that for some reason references Superman 64 only because it has rings in common. let me not jinx anything and end this now)
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Post by: Flame on November 19, 2013, 03:18:19 PM
Well, MoF had a few jokes in the scrolls, namely the Mario/Luigi one in the pipes, which was apparently removed for the HD version.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on November 19, 2013, 05:04:24 PM
Well, MoF had a few jokes in the scrolls, namely the Mario/Luigi one in the pipes, which was apparently removed for the HD version.
Great, they all sucked. The best ones had no internet memes in them.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on November 19, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
Well, MoF had a few jokes in the scrolls, namely the Mario/Luigi one in the pipes, which was apparently removed for the HD version.

Not apparently. it was removed I did in fact search the pipe area not a luigi/mario reference in sight. I think it was replaced with finding someone important.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 19, 2013, 10:49:53 PM
I actually liked the Mario scroll and I really don't know their reason why they took it out.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on November 20, 2013, 12:49:00 AM
They probably took out reference because its not on a nintendo system now (since its hd version) which is kinda of stupid since they had a freakin reference to the deku tree in LOS
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on November 20, 2013, 08:12:35 AM
Isn't Deku misspelled on purpose?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on November 20, 2013, 08:54:39 AM
I would have to respectfully disagree with you, crisis XD

I love seriousness and overdrama in games trying to tell a story. It helps me get immersed into the game in a way intentional silliness never does.

The last thing I ever want in most games I play are intentional, silly mood breakers to remind me I'm playing a game. If it has to remind me, then it's either ruining the mood or not doing it right in the first place.
I don't mind seriousness and drama, but I would love it dialed back a bit. I have a problem with a lot of modern games going overdrama. IMO, it's a trend, nothing more, nothing less. It's good to treat you story in a way that it's not a joke, but most games that tend to lay on the heavy, HEAVY drama are games that I never feel compelled to replay after the first playthrough.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on November 20, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
I think that drama is nice in video games, as long it's action packed. It's like another kind of movies, interactive movies. I like that idea. You can have good actors, great musical scores, etc.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on November 21, 2013, 09:12:51 AM
I have no problem with seriousness as far as Los2. I mean, as awesome as the demo was... So fucking cheesy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on November 24, 2013, 02:59:28 AM
This is why we have no new info.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 24, 2013, 01:33:48 PM
This is why we have no new info.
OMG!!! Gabula has killed Santa and has taken over Christmas!!! Guess I'll be leaving holy water and garlic instead of milk and cookies on Christmas Eve night from now on.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 24, 2013, 06:44:24 PM
Oh no, Darcula ate Santa!

Does this mean that if we're naughty he goes to your home and personally kicks your ass and eats you?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 25, 2013, 01:26:09 AM
Ahahahaha!

Regarding the no new info, they are laying low due to the launch of next gen consoles.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on November 25, 2013, 04:02:58 AM
Or they're getting ready for the VGX's, which is in two weeks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on November 25, 2013, 11:55:59 AM
i need to know what year(s) LoS2 takes place in
just like Cox confirmed LoS1 take place in year months before actual release??
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on November 25, 2013, 03:07:16 PM
Hmm.. the game is on sale on swedish ebay. And people are bidding on it. I don't get it. Its obviously fake? It says it's "imported from England". Eh. Why would ANYONE bid on an auction like this? Unless.......  :o

http://www.tradera.com/item/340703/195731738/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-limited-edition-steelbook-ps3 (http://www.tradera.com/item/340703/195731738/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-limited-edition-steelbook-ps3)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on November 25, 2013, 03:26:37 PM
That same bid was on eBay a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on November 25, 2013, 04:05:57 PM
The only thing they possibly could get is the alpha game which is would be pretty rare. Beta would be rarer. Final build could be possible but 3 months away is still a far stretch unless it was 1.5 months before releasing would make sense. But having a limited edition steel case with the game would be like solo infiltration through Mercurysteam which could be possible but that's highly unlikely but thy would be pretty badass. That game is not real.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on November 26, 2013, 02:16:49 PM
I just wanna say that, from the music of the demo, I don't know the name of the song but it says throne room (I know that Araujo published the original track that bears that name), but the one I'm telling you is amazing. It has a lot of feeling, very sad and moving. I found it, its this one

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Demo Soundtrack: The Throne Room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RHB0tMymn0#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on November 26, 2013, 03:42:59 PM
This song is from Tron
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on November 26, 2013, 04:09:41 PM
Adagio for Tron - Hans Zimmer
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on November 26, 2013, 05:45:15 PM
What???? Well... It's a very very nice piece anyway. I don't remember hearing it in the demo lol. Ok, my bad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on November 26, 2013, 05:52:31 PM
So this song is on the game, but it wasn't made by Araujo, but Hans Zimmer? It was in the zip that claimed the songs were from the demo.

It's beautiful.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on November 26, 2013, 05:59:21 PM
So this song is on the game, but it wasn't made by Araujo, but Hans Zimmer? It was in the zip that claimed the songs were from the demo.

It's beautiful.
I'm pretty sure it's a fake, no way Disney will let their best Daft Punk Hans Zimmer collaboration go to anyone... except Square-Enix for Kingdom Hearts
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on November 26, 2013, 06:10:03 PM
So this song is on the game, but it wasn't made by Araujo, but Hans Zimmer? It was in the zip that claimed the songs were from the demo.

It's beautiful.
2/10 would not troll again
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on November 26, 2013, 06:18:33 PM
It's a legit question.

Someone said the song was in the files from the demo... a placeholder then?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on November 26, 2013, 09:15:25 PM
It's a legit question.

Someone said the song was in the files from the demo... a placeholder then?
Of course not, someone in the internet thought  it sounded similar, uploaded the Tron track under "The Throne Room" name. The real Throne room is this one Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Demo Soundtrack: The Throne Room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RHB0tMymn0#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on November 26, 2013, 09:37:48 PM
Lol, nice try. Same Video.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on November 26, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
Lol, nice try. Same Video.

Perhaps they sounded similar? Ha, I kid.

Anyway, I've yet to try out the demo to LoS2, since school has been eating up all my time. But I've been watching a few trailers, and hot damn I gotta say that it's shaping up to look awesome. Definitely better-looking than the first, and I loved the first game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on November 26, 2013, 11:30:49 PM
It is common game developers and film makers use other tracks in a demo to see how music could fit the atmosphere, just saying.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 27, 2013, 12:55:02 AM
Huh, I was wondering where that sounded familiar from.  I was also thinking that that didn't sound like it was from LoS2.I think that I found another video on youtube with the actual The Throne Room track, but I'm not 100% certain on this.  Aside for that one mislabelled track, the rest are good listening as placeholders until the proper ost comes out. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on November 27, 2013, 01:30:28 AM
The "real" "Throne Room" track is the track called "Prince of Darkness" in the demo rip. Oscar posted it I think.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on November 27, 2013, 07:26:44 AM
Lol, nice try. Same Video.
Ha! :lol:
Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Demo Soundtrack: Prince of Darkness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAkTvYVM49I#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on November 27, 2013, 08:51:04 AM
So, I'm sticking with the following scenario for the Final Battle:

(click to show/hide)

That is all.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 27, 2013, 11:37:27 AM
No, the final battle will be against

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 28, 2013, 09:39:42 AM
Zobek will be the final boss, as Death, in all his glory, with scythes and sickles and all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on November 29, 2013, 07:22:59 AM
Zobek will be the final boss, as Death, in all his glory, with scythes and sickles and all.

That's some pretty wishful thinking. If it DOES happen.. DEATH THREW A SICKLE? QTE!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on November 29, 2013, 08:54:36 AM
I thought zobek was meant to fill the role of shaft.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on November 29, 2013, 02:25:44 PM
Cox said both.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 30, 2013, 02:12:14 AM
For the final battle...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 30, 2013, 02:14:09 AM
That's some pretty wishful thinking. If it DOES happen.. DEATH THREW A SICKLE? QTE!
You never know. Cox is set out to surprise us with his final boss for the series. Satan would be too predictable and a repeat of last game. We never got a proper Death battle, and it's obvious they will fight in LoS2. What if they pull a LoI and make him the final boss? I mean, that sure caught me by surprise when LoI did it.
For the final battle...

(click to show/hide)

Like his good self? I can buy that. I can totally buy that. imagine, fighting an OP as fuck LoS Gabe, with ALL the upgrades. ALL of them. And even ones you never got.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 30, 2013, 02:24:04 AM
Like his good self? I can buy that. I can totally buy that. imagine, fighting an OP as fuck LoS Gabe, with ALL the upgrades. ALL of them. And even ones you never got.

Yes. I think that would be the best choice for the developers since we don't want Gabe to just repeat the battles he had with previous enemies. He might fight Zobek, but it won't be the final battle.

Besides, this would support my vision of the ending.
http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4965.msg150031.html#msg150031 (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4965.msg150031.html#msg150031)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on November 30, 2013, 01:28:08 PM
Though considering you already fight Victor, wouldn't having the final boss being Gabe be a bit of a retread of that?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 30, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
Though considering you already fight Victor, wouldn't having the final boss being Gabe be a bit of a retread of that?
Well, we don't know how Victor fights or what weapon he uses. Though I do like the idea of the last boss being Gabriel. This assumes you fight him as he was just before the battle with Satan in LoS1. I could see that after defeating Satan and thus saving the world, Gabula splits into two entities: one being himself as he is now (Dracula @ full power) and the other being the way he was just before fighting Satan in LoS1. Now that would be a battle!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on November 30, 2013, 07:09:18 PM
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Well, we don't know how Victor fights or what weapon he uses.
he is seen wielding the Combat Cross in the trailer

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I could see that after defeating Satan and thus saving the world, Gabula splits into two entities: one being himself as he is now (Dracula @ full power) and the other being the way he was just before fighting Satan in LoS1.
kinda like a reverse Piccolo in Drago Ball Z? I like it
Title: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: Darkweaver on December 02, 2013, 01:54:50 PM
Check out the picture of the artbook that comes with this Premium Edition of LoS2.  That does not look like the mechanical being in the demo but more like something out of Metal Gear Solid.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEvPMeAe.jpg&hash=9dc9cbd91287c6e9ee90795e0858d1fd)
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: crisis on December 02, 2013, 01:56:33 PM
Well there was the "Mechanical Monstrosity" boss in LoS1 so any robotic enemy in LoS2 shouldn't be that surprising.
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: Darkweaver on December 02, 2013, 02:14:32 PM
Well there was the "Mechanical Monstrosity" boss in LoS1 so any robotic enemy in LoS2 shouldn't be that surprising.

I remember that.  It's just that the one in that artbook appears to be modern.  It looks like it has machine gun turrets and the like from what little we can see of it.  Makes me wonder if there's an MGS reference in the new game.
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: Intersection on December 02, 2013, 02:15:10 PM
Most likely the next Titan we'll see in LoS2. There was already something of a "mechanical being" in the demo.
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: Darkweaver on December 02, 2013, 02:16:57 PM
Most likely the next Titan we'll see in LoS2. There was already something of a "mechanical being" in the demo.

True, but like I mentioned in the OP, the mechanical being in the demo didn't look contemporary whereas this one seems to mainly because of what appears to be machine gun turrets in the back.  Wouldn't be surprised since LoS2 does take place in modern times and maybe there are contemporary versions of vampire hunters.
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: The Puritan on December 02, 2013, 04:59:42 PM
machine gun turrets in the back.

Rocket launchers even. Wouldn't be surprised if they sneak in a Metal Gear Rex/Ray somewhere for another Kojima homage.
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 02, 2013, 05:05:31 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we fight that in the modern era. Also, apparently Medusa was going to be a titan fight in this game, too. Or so I've read on the Castlevania Wiki.

Also, this collection is awesome, but Jesus, those figurines are atrocious. Victor, the Commander, and Zobek look... okay, I guess, but Gabriel is horrible.
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: Munchy on December 02, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
Oh boy. Bloodlines, anyone?

Skeletons piloting these would be amazing.
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: Kingshango on December 02, 2013, 05:53:36 PM
A better look.

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(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gamesource.it%2Fnew_media%2Fgallery%2F1%2F151312%2F1383232416_172652.172653_12_.jpg&hash=2fbf65f2fd88223c4d6cb02fa12963b9)
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: X on December 02, 2013, 05:58:26 PM
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Rocket launchers even. Wouldn't be surprised if they sneak in a Metal Gear Rex/Ray somewhere for another Kojima homage.

Judging from the image it more'n less resembles Metal Gear TX-55 or Metal Gear D. Rex was too boxish and angular, and RAY was more organic-looking.

Metal Gear TX-55: http://media.desura.com/images/groups/1/1/381/tx_55_illust.gif (http://media.desura.com/images/groups/1/1/381/tx_55_illust.gif)

Metal Gear D: http://img2.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/b6/e1/nitako_kocchar/folder/129237/img_129237_3711812_5?1274091226 (http://img2.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/b6/e1/nitako_kocchar/folder/129237/img_129237_3711812_5?1274091226)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on December 03, 2013, 12:09:04 AM
Merged "Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?" with this topic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on December 03, 2013, 12:32:18 AM
Looks like the Brotherhood is getting an upgrade  :o. Wonder if Victor ultimate form will be mecha :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jestercolony on December 03, 2013, 01:08:58 AM
I could imagine Jehuty just randomly flying in like "Sup gaiz"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 03, 2013, 07:05:43 AM
wow, well one could expect that. The story is in the ''future'' mostly and Satan must have influences in all layers of society including cops so Dracul will like ''faq da polees'' lol.

Maybe there will not be a Mecha Victor, but maybe he is from the military or something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 03, 2013, 09:19:11 AM
WTF is MS thinking!? Mechs don't belong in CV. I don't care who currently has the reins!!!! I could see tanks, S.W.A.T. teams, special forces. But, not mechs. This isn' Metal Gear Solid nor is it Gundam. Leave the mechs in the series they belong to.

On another note, titan fights SUCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: soma555 on December 03, 2013, 09:22:34 AM
Not funny, not neccesary.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on December 03, 2013, 09:25:09 AM
In other news, the next Castlevania reboot after LoS brings in magitek androids to the mix. :P
Seriously though, the tech here is supposed to be equivalent to our tech, right? Are we even capable of that yet?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 03, 2013, 09:43:31 AM
we are very capable of that tech, but not for any practical use, yet

Positron Rifle in AoS
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 03, 2013, 09:48:44 AM
That was not expected but it's niiiiceee. Gimme the mechs. See? This is how you position a game in an age, not with skeletons motorcycles.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on December 03, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
Well to be fair, it does seem that in the LOS universe is more technically advanced. Frankenstein's lab had tesla coils around despite them mot being invented 800 years later, the Toymaker's domain could pass as a modern funfair (if it were run by Ted Bundy) and the siege titan looks like it belongs in the 19th century steampunk era.

I have no problem with mechs in the game. But I do get the feeling that they are gonna be serious damage sponges. :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 03, 2013, 10:54:35 AM
There have been mechas in many CV games, frankensteins, eligor, iron golem, guys with chainsaws in their arms, some golems. Also biological engineering with the forgotten one and many many other examples. Dracul will be in a city in modern times, not in a medieval castle hidden in an eclipse also in moderns times, in aria of sorrow the year was 2035 but they were almost isolated from technology. Expect gunfire and even maybe cyborgs. I dunno, I just like LOS saga a lot.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 03, 2013, 12:48:21 PM
A mech is not okay in a modern day setting...  But the tin man in 1797 is okay because....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on December 03, 2013, 02:26:22 PM
Whats the big hubub over mechs? Its modern day. At least it DOES something with the setting, outside of some missable optional weapons *cough AoS*
Title: Re: Mechs In Castlevania: LoS2?
Post by: darkmanx_429 on December 03, 2013, 02:30:37 PM
A better look.

Thanks, I been trying to find this image to see what all the fuss is about!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 03, 2013, 02:52:06 PM
mercurysteam is just using the mech as practice for their Contra reboot
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Sindra on December 03, 2013, 02:53:28 PM
Keep in mind that, while mecha and metal golems and such have been used in past Castlevania games very frequently....they were animated either by dark magics or possessed by baleful spirits. (Tin Man, Crazy Armor, Living Armor, etc.) They didn't have men in them, piloting them. Having mecha or power armor that is controlled by a human inside it paints a completely different picture than mecha or armor being controlled by ghosts or evil powers. By adding the humanizing element to the mix...it loses some of the foreboding uneasiness created by something supernatural or otherworldly. The theme shifts from gothic adventure to modern sci-fi. (and having a few futuristic weapons used to highlight the point "We're in the future!!!" in Aria of Sorrow is not the same)

That's why this is markedly different from previous games, and probably where most people will derive their ill-content from.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 03, 2013, 04:43:05 PM
....they were animated either by dark magics or possessed by baleful spirits. (Tin Man, Crazy Armor, Living Armor, etc.)

No... I don't know where you're getting that info... Tin man isn't possessed...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on December 03, 2013, 05:10:16 PM
I think the difference is context. In previous castlevania particularly the sorrow series, you weren't playing as the villain while in this game you are. So in this game since it is modern era you are fighting against Humans and in order for non human belmonts to up the game I think its fair they bring mechs. I don't expect the mechs to be major part of game just few enemy types.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on December 03, 2013, 05:30:47 PM
Hopefully this is just a fucking placeholder image.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on December 03, 2013, 10:06:06 PM
mercurysteam is just using the mech as practice for their Contra reboot

Not exactly. As I understand it, the robot is one of the bosses of one of the last levels, protects access to a very special building.
And it is also a wink to Kojima, LOS would not exist without him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on December 04, 2013, 12:48:04 AM
Its gonna have a cross over with Metal Gear or Contra....!
XD LOL

Well, obviously it is a tribute to Kojima.
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Post by: Dremn on December 04, 2013, 05:29:46 AM
mercurysteam is just using the mech as practice for their Contra reboot
Aahaha, exactly what I was thinking. It's got a serious Metal Gear vibe going on, but it looks like it would fit nicely into Contra as well.

...man I really hope they don't fuck that up. I'm afraid of them not making it a bullet hell/platformer like it should be.
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 04, 2013, 07:25:54 AM
We got skeletons on motorcycles, maids with vacuum cleaners, and you're whinning about this? A single enemy? That looks great (as always, art direction is amazing) God that's why can't have nice things.
Title: Dave Cox naked
Post by: crisis on December 04, 2013, 10:04:00 AM
There has also been chainsaw-wielding enemies

But I think the worry comes from people believing it will be totally out-of-context, which is understandable to the uninformed. but when you realize all the past references, and that it's an obvious homage to Kojima, and the fact that it's still just a piece of artwork we're judging & nothing more, then it becomes slightly less-shocking.
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Post by: Lilgigs on December 04, 2013, 10:51:33 AM
Well this is something "new":

https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/statuses/408247530699636736

Red mist for Gab/Drac.

If we don't get a powers video this Saturday at VGX, I will be disappointed.

Less than 3 months away:
- we haven't seen any real gameplay in the city
- powers besides the freeze on the void sword

I know they like to keep things secret but we really need some more info. Get people excited about the game, show off what it's about.
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Post by: Flame on December 04, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
We got skeletons on motorcycles, maids with vacuum cleaners, and you're whinning about this? A single enemy?
I hate to be the one to have to say it, but...

"NOT MUH CASTLEVANIUH"
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 04, 2013, 11:40:26 AM
So this is the last Castlevania game in the Lords of Shadow saga and MercurySteam's last Castlevania.  I hope that doesn't mean we're going to eventually get another reboot or that the series is dead after LoS2.  I want more games in the LoS universe now that they have it established.  It's a bit worrisome.
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Post by: e105beta on December 04, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
I hate to be the one to have to say it, but...

"NOT MUH CASTLEVANIUH"

Don't lie. You loved saying it.
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 04, 2013, 12:52:41 PM
Well this is something "new":

https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/statuses/408247530699636736

Red mist for Gab/Drac.

If we don't get a powers video this Saturday at VGX, I will be disappointed.

Less than 3 months away:
- we haven't seen any real gameplay in the city
- powers besides the freeze on the void sword

I know they like to keep things secret but we really need some more info. Get people excited about the game, show off what it's about.
Uh, this isn't new, it's was shown in trailers and in the demo. Also, they don't show much to avoid spoilers (like they did with MoF), and we saw a little bit of the city in the E3 video (during the interviews before the trailer).
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Post by: Flame on December 04, 2013, 01:17:48 PM
Don't lie. You loved saying it.
heh you're right. That was satisfying as fuck


yknow, we've probably seen some pf the city without realizing it. I mean, they DID call it Castlevania City. supposedly they blended it with lots of cv feel
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 04, 2013, 01:21:52 PM
Think about how the anime 'Hellsing' happens. Starts with secrecy and then it's an ask out world war. That's what's happening here. They're trying to show that Dracula is very powerful where he doesn't need superhumans with whips holding down the feud as a secret. I mean, there is 'demon castle 'wars'' that was supposed to be like it but unfortunately it didn't happen. This is all appropriate if it is done right. I'm kinda glad it isn't a stereotypical thing that Castlevania does with all the "I raid your Castle, I kill you and nobody will know".
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Post by: e105beta on December 04, 2013, 01:27:14 PM
If Castlevania City is going to look how I think it's going to look, it's going to be a big bundle of modern-gothic awesomeness.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 04, 2013, 01:46:01 PM
If Castlevania City is going to look how I think it's going to look, it's going to be a big bundle of modern-gothic awesomeness.

Probably pretty much like The Crow or Burton's version of Gotham City.  I wonder what the name of the city is and what country is it in?  I'm assuming Transylvania but I don't know if we even got a clear answer in the first LoS game regarding that.
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Post by: Lilgigs on December 04, 2013, 01:54:25 PM
Uh, this isn't new, it's was shown in trailers and in the demo. Also, they don't show much to avoid spoilers (like they did with MoF), and we saw a little bit of the city in the E3 video (during the interviews before the trailer).


1. I have seen all the trailers, they have shown maybe 2-3 secs of an alley and the church.
2. A CG trailer doesn't count, I'm talking about gameplay. What you see in the trailer is a grey smoke teleport.
3. What he does in the demo isn't mist. Think of what Laura does in the DLC, that is mist.
4. If I am wrong please shoe me where there is mist.

Thanks!
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 04, 2013, 02:07:24 PM
1. I have seen all the trailers, they have shown maybe 2-3 secs of an alley and the church.
Watch the E3 show, they show (in the background) city stuff, such as Old Drac vs a werewolf, IIRC.

Quote
2. A CG trailer doesn't count, I'm talking about gameplay. What you see in the trailer is a grey smoke teleport.
3. What he does in the demo isn't mist. Think of what Laura does in the DLC, that is mist.
Well, I thought it was a sort of mist. Gabriel teleports in a cloud of dark red mist, when he falls from the Titan for example (not playable).
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Post by: Lilgigs on December 04, 2013, 02:27:13 PM
Watch the E3 show, they show (in the background) city stuff, such as Old Drac vs a werewolf, IIRC.
Well, I thought it was a sort of mist. Gabriel teleports in a cloud of dark red mist, when he falls from the Titan for example (not playable).

It's cool. I just wish they would show a bit more. They have talked about how cool it is to play as Dracula, I feel like they should show it.

I know they keep story details secret, they did it with LOS1 and MOF, but I have a sinking feeling a delay could happen. They have about 2 months left of development before going gold and into production. Hopefully it doesn't happen, been waiting forever already.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 04, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
I'm curious if this game is going to take up two discs on the 360 as the original did?  I hope it's longer than LoS especially since it's going to be a Metroidvania.  I want TONS of secrets and areas to explore.  I would be so stoked if it's comparable to SotN or even Curse of Darkness but I doubt that.
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Post by: EstebanT on December 04, 2013, 04:55:52 PM
especially since it's going to be a Metroidvania.

Get ready for disappointment...
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 04, 2013, 05:33:21 PM
Get ready for disappointment...

Well, I thought that's what they were saying plus the map display.  They said it was going to allow for exploration and be seemless, with no levels.  So, I'm just curious, by saying that are you just not expecting a Metroidvania or do you actually know it's not going to be anything like that?  Because while I had my doubts, I'm really hoping for at somewhat of a SotN style of gameplay.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 04, 2013, 06:26:36 PM
I'm curious if this game is going to take up two discs on the 360 as the original did?  I hope it's longer than LoS especially since it's going to be a Metroidvania.  I want TONS of secrets and areas to explore.  I would be so stoked if it's comparable to SotN or even Curse of Darkness but I doubt that.

They never said it was going to be a Metroidvania. They only said open-world.

And I agree, there better be tons of secrets, side quests, etc. And for an alternate costume idea, maybe even LoS1 Gabriel would be cool. AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, MAKE AN ALUCARD MODE.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 04, 2013, 06:30:44 PM
They never said it was going to be a Metroidvania. They only said open-world.

And I agree, there better be tons of secrets, side quests, etc. And for an alternate costume idea, maybe even LoS1 Gabriel would be cool. AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, MAKE AN ALUCARD MODE.

By Metroidvania, I was mainly referring to the exploration aspect.  I know there's not going to be any RPG elements.  I'm just assuming all this because of what I read and the map display.  I'm really hoping we get a lot to explore and a lot of secrets.  So far, the game is looking great.
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Post by: Flame on December 04, 2013, 06:49:31 PM
Metroidvania implies a very specific mazelike open world.

Super Metroid,
Every CV game SoTN-OoE
Megaman Zero
Megaman ZX and ZXA

LoS2's open world is more likely to be similar to Arkham City.
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 05, 2013, 02:13:38 AM
AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, MAKE AN ALUCARD MODE.
Who needs an Alucard mode? Gabriel has a sword, and pretty much the same powers. It'd be repetitive IMO.
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 05, 2013, 07:58:36 AM
AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, MAKE AN ALUCARD MODE.
You know it's coming... as DLC
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Post by: Dremn on December 05, 2013, 08:24:21 AM
Alucard and Victor mode would be great. Why not both in the same mode, pull a modern day Dracula's Curse?
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Post by: crisis on December 05, 2013, 10:59:30 AM


technically, Trevor is actually Dracula
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Post by: Intersection on December 05, 2013, 11:50:00 AM
I'm curious if this game is going to take up two discs on the 360 as the original did?  I hope it's longer than LoS especially since it's going to be a Metroidvania.  I want TONS of secrets and areas to explore.  I would be so stoked if it's comparable to SotN or even Curse of Darkness but I doubt that.
Lords of Shadow made it a point to stray as far away from Metroidvania as it possibly could. I don't think its sequel will change that.

Alucard and Victor mode would be great. Why not both in the same mode, pull a modern day Dracula's Curse?
Not a good idea. LoS2 is Dracula's game; let's keep it that way.

Incidentally, even if it was a viable option, there's only so much variety an Alucard mode could bring to the game. Past his iconic swordplay, a few iconic abilities, and his good looks, there's little Alucard can achieve that his father can't emulate. More importantly, the game's plot would literally have to bend over backwards to accommodate for Alucard's own character. Which also means that a Victor mode won't be seeing daylight any time soon.


technically, Trevor is actually Dracula
And... how exactly did this happen?  :-\
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 05, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
Lords of Shadow made it a point to stray as far away from Metroidvania as it possibly could. I don't think its sequel will change that.

No doubt about that.  But, didn't they say they had listened to complaints about the first game, one of which being people said it didn't feel like Castlevania?  I'm assuming this is going to be a bit more "Metroidvania" because they have said it is open world (I know 'Vania and open world are not exactly the same) and there's a map hud now which closely resembles a Metroidvania map.  So, like they said, they'll be no more stages instead being able to explore the castle and the surrounding city.

Edit: Just to clarify again, when I say Metroidvania, I'm referring to the exploration/open-world nature of those games, not the RPG elements which I know won't be part of LoS2.
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Post by: e105beta on December 05, 2013, 02:00:17 PM
If anything it's going to be a Zeldavania from the looks of it
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Post by: Lilgigs on December 05, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
If anything it's going to be a Zeldavania from the looks of it

Hasn't D. Cox said he would like to work on a zelda game?

I think this is exactly what we will see and I welcome that.

I enjoy Zelda games(non motion control ones) and I enjoyed both Darksiders games.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 05, 2013, 02:30:16 PM
If anything it's going to be a Zeldavania from the looks of it

I'd have absolutely no problem with that.  I love Blood Omen (and the whole LoK series) and from the few hours of playing it, Darksiders although I didn't like the amount of puzzles the latter had.
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Post by: Flame on December 05, 2013, 02:53:40 PM

And... how exactly did this happen?  :-\
If you know the origins of the name, and what Gabe actually calls himself, it should be more obvious.

hint: Gabe Calls himself Dracul, not Dracula.
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 05, 2013, 03:04:44 PM
If anything it's going to be a Zeldavania from the looks of it

And this is no problem. Anyways what have I missed?
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 05, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
And this is no problem. Anyways what have I missed?

Yup, if it's Zelda-like that will be seriously awesome.
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 05, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
Yup, if it's Zelda-like that will be seriously awesome.

your new huh hi. I've been out of the loop here for awhile seems no one missed me  :'( Goes into corner depressed.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 05, 2013, 03:51:09 PM
your new huh hi. I've been out of the loop here for awhile seems no one missed me  :'( Goes into corner depressed.

Well hello there to you too. :)

I'm "kinda" new here.  I registered in 2010 and made a couple posts back then but here I am again.  I think I once belonged to either this Castlevania forum or another many years ago, maybe even as long as a decade ago, but I can't remember to be honest.

Edit: To answer my own question, my first post here in 2010 states that I used to post here even before that so I guess I'm actually an old-timer.
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Post by: crisis on December 05, 2013, 04:54:22 PM
before it's a zeldavania it's a godofvania and a bit collosivania but still coxlevania because igavania and metrovania is gone but perhaps pikminvania minigame is in order



why not just call it "castlevania" guys
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 05, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
before it's a zeldavania it's a godofvania and a bit collosivania but still coxlevania because igavania and metrovania is gone but perhaps pikminvania minigame is in order



why not just call it "castlevania" guys

Saying 'Castlevania' could mean either the linear games or the exploration based ones.  I'm not a fan of the term 'Metroidvania' but it helps define the type of Castlevania game that is more open world and based on exploration.
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Post by: crisis on December 05, 2013, 05:18:17 PM
they're all stupid pointless terms, really
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Post by: Maedhros on December 05, 2013, 06:32:53 PM
It gets the point through, so it'll continue to be used.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 05, 2013, 06:35:40 PM
It gets the point through, so it'll continue to be used.

Exactly.  But if makes everyone happy, I could just say 'exploration-based Castlevania'.
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Post by: Lilgigs on December 05, 2013, 07:23:08 PM
Looks like we could hear some stuff soon. Check out this post on CHUD.

http://www.chud.com/community/t/149722/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.chud.com/community/t/149722/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)

"A bit early yet, but I have a press junket type thing on Tuesday in NYC to play more of the game, and interview Dave Cox. Anything you guys want answered, I'm all ears, all weekend."
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 05, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
Looks like we could hear some stuff soon. Check out this post on CHUD.

http://www.chud.com/community/t/149722/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.chud.com/community/t/149722/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)

"A bit early yet, but I have a press junket type thing on Tuesday in NYC to play more of the game, and interview Dave Cox. Anything you guys want answered, I'm all ears, all weekend."

Thanks for sharing that.  Will look in on that thread after Tuesday.
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Post by: crisis on December 05, 2013, 07:41:56 PM
You don't have to make everyone happy, Darkweaver, I was just making an observation

Someone should ask Cox why the limited edition set with that tomb & all that stuff is only limited to Europe? I'll import it regardless, but it's still an inconvenience
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Post by: Flame on December 05, 2013, 09:44:54 PM
Would Daksiders count as a Zeldavania? Especially since War is a complete rip off of Link abilitywise.
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Post by: crisis on December 06, 2013, 06:02:47 AM
Flame how good are you at Rockman Xover? Do you like the new armors?
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Post by: e105beta on December 06, 2013, 08:26:04 AM
Would Daksiders count as a Zeldavania? Especially since War is a complete rip off of Link abilitywise.

Yup
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Post by: Flame on December 06, 2013, 01:15:23 PM
Flame how good are you at Rockman Xover? Do you like the new armors?
I despise Xover and all that it stands for and hope Capcom burns.

I like the Over designs though. Shame they are wasted on that pile of garbage.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 07, 2013, 04:41:22 PM
All the Soundtrack from the Demo.

Castlevania Lord of Shadows 2 Soundtrack Track 01 Main Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9_3xzyNgQ#ws)
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Post by: Flame on December 07, 2013, 07:12:47 PM
I do love LoS2's Soundtrack so far. The inclusion of more modern instrumentation and arrangements really makes the difference. Combat 1 and 2 are amazing.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 07, 2013, 08:12:59 PM
Scroogy ass Dracula
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Post by: Trevorcard on December 07, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
You know at first I was surprised there was no Castlevania trailer for VGX. But I think it was better they didn't do it because last year presentation of trailer wasn't so great especially with Ozzy Osbourne's kid. Anyway I don't want a trailer I just want some gameplay footage.
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Post by: Bergaron on December 08, 2013, 12:40:37 AM
You know at first I was surprised there was no Castlevania trailer for VGX. But I think it was better they didn't do it because last year presentation of trailer wasn't so great especially with Ozzy Osbourne's kid. Anyway I don't want a trailer I just want some gameplay footage.

This year the new VGX have a "strange" format (Late night show), many companies did not come to display their products or showed only a hint.

Really, the only thing company had to show as much as possible in these VGX was Nintendo and puuf ... I hope they know what they are doing. Because or Nintengo launch 6 AAA+ games in the next eight months or PS4 and XBONE begin receiving good games and then goodbye.

Not very politically correct, uncomfortable questions (WTF Mega64's show after interviewing the CEO Nintendo America, Reggie regretted attend), too much attention was diverted from the trailers ... that is not the way.

In the next month many companies will present their trailers loneliest one way or press conferences to attract more attention. You know the hype of a trailer does not last more one week, so you better do it solo to get attention. VGX really anyone remember the "quantum of break"? Only three things last long in the memory of people several days "witcher 3", "TitanFall", "Joel Banderas"
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Post by: Inccubus on December 08, 2013, 01:29:39 AM
I wouldn't worry bout Nintendo. They always have exclusives in their pocket and decent third party content.
Sony and Microsoft on the other hand have largely lost me and many others in the last two generations due to largely derivative libraries and most of the good games coming out on PC.
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Post by: Flame on December 08, 2013, 01:27:45 PM
Nintendo's VGX announcement was awkward and terrible.
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Post by: Maedhros on December 08, 2013, 01:44:40 PM
I wouldn't worry bout Nintendo. They always have exclusives in their pocket and decent third party content.
Sony and Microsoft on the other hand have largely lost me and many others in the last two generations due to largely derivative libraries and most of the good games coming out on PC.
I wouldn't too. As the Wii U is dead already, there's no need to keep hope for it.

And the last third party exclusive it does have is Bayonetta 2. No one wants to make games for it.
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Post by: Belmontoya on December 08, 2013, 02:01:24 PM
I'm pretty sure sony and Microsoft just had record breaking launches on their consoles. Whoever these lost fans are, they apparently are being more than made up for.

If Nintendo doesn't figure something out, it won't be long before Mario makes his way over to the playstation store.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on December 09, 2013, 02:23:06 AM
I haven't seen anyone post them, so here they are the official game case covers:
PS3
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XBOX360
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Post by: Kingshango on December 09, 2013, 05:22:37 AM
According to Cox, we're getting new info on the game this week (possibly today even).
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Post by: Asgardwolf on December 09, 2013, 08:46:37 AM
According to Cox, we're getting new info on the game this week (possibly today even).
I did hear the latest issue of Game Informer has a nice review about LOS2 and they described some of the new Dracula`s abilities: Mist Form, Bat Summoning, Blood Blades that are thrown like daggers, and Glamoring. Relics Powers that allows Dracula to turning into a dragon after collecting dragon scales, etc... But i haven`t see it. if some one find it can please post it?...
Title: teh dargon return
Post by: crisis on December 09, 2013, 09:02:42 AM
i am excite ;D
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 09, 2013, 09:12:05 AM
I did hear the latest issue of Game Informer has a nice review about LOS2 and they described some of the new Dracula`s abilities: Mist Form, Bat Summoning, Blood Blades that are thrown like daggers, and Glamoring. Relics Powers that allows Dracula to turning into a dragon after collecting dragon scales, etc... But i haven`t see it. if some one find it can please post it?...
:o

My body is ready.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 09, 2013, 10:20:18 AM
I did hear the latest issue of Game Informer has a nice review about LOS2 and they described some of the new Dracula`s abilities: Mist Form, Bat Summoning, Blood Blades that are thrown like daggers, and Glamoring. Relics Powers that allows Dracula to turning into a dragon after collecting dragon scales, etc... But i haven`t see it. if some one find it can please post it?...

That sounds lovely. If someone finds it please post.
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Post by: flyingchai on December 09, 2013, 10:39:10 AM
I don't have the full article, but I do have some small pieces of info from it.
One of the relics is called Stolas' Clock, which works just like the stopwatch. Another is called The Seal of Alastor, which when activated grants Dracula all of his abilities at once for a short period of time. More namedropping from past games at least, unless we actually encounter those demons.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 09, 2013, 11:20:05 AM
I did hear the latest issue of Game Informer has a nice review about LOS2 and they described some of the new Dracula`s abilities: Mist Form, Bat Summoning, Blood Blades that are thrown like daggers, and Glamoring. Relics Powers that allows Dracula to turning into a dragon after collecting dragon scales, etc... But i haven`t see it. if some one find it can please post it?...

I have a subscription but it usually doesn't arrive until the middle of the month.  I doubt it's a review, although, since GI usually doesn't review games that early before they come out especially since LoS2 is two months away.
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Post by: Melanicus on December 09, 2013, 12:02:55 PM
I have a subscription but it usually doesn't arrive until the middle of the month.  I doubt it's a review, although, since GI usually doesn't review games that early before they come out especially since LoS2 is two months away.

He probably just accidentally left out the 'p' in 'preview'.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on December 09, 2013, 12:18:18 PM
Review, Preview, i don`t know, most likelly the to be 2nd. That`s just what i saw looking around the web... as i said: I haven`t see it. but it sopossed to be on the page 75 of the fisical version, i don`t know about the digital one.
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 09, 2013, 12:28:42 PM
Review, Preview, i don`t know, most likelly the to be 2nd. That`s just what i saw looking around the web... as i said: I haven`t see it. but it sopossed to be on the page 75 of the fisical version, i don`t know about the digital one.
Review is the one with a score.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 09, 2013, 02:46:15 PM
I just got my issue of Game Informer, which is odd since it usually comes around the middle of the month.

It is a preview, not a review.  I haven't had chance to read it yet but it shows some new screenshots, one of them being Dracula's Dragon Form, which looks awesome.  When I've had chance to read it, I'll update you more.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 09, 2013, 03:41:38 PM
Okay, I looked it over.  It's only one page.

Some highlights:

- Mist Form allows Dracula to phase through enemies, dodge enemy attacks and pass certain barriers.
- Stealth sections.
- Dracula has no bat form, but can summon bats to distract enemies and glamor them.
- Charming enemies to take control of them.
- Dragon Form.  Details on this are scarce.
- Dracula can use his own blood to manifest his blood whip and can also use it to summon projectile daggers.
- Seal of Alastor unlocks every skill for for each of Dracula's weapons temporarily.
- Stolas' Clock can be used to slow enemies and gain an experience point boost for each attack.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 09, 2013, 04:02:05 PM
Sounds good, would also like to see scans of those screenshots.

Also inb4 "stealth sections in a Castlevania game as Dracula!? This isn't Castlevania, that's not even Mexico!"
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 09, 2013, 04:07:15 PM
Also inb4 "stealth sections in a Castlevania game as Dracula!? This isn't Castlevania, that's not even Mexico!"

It is probably just when you're playing as the old, weak, frail, Dracula in the modern world.

There's stealth in this? That's nice but is it like a tactic thing or just something that happens as an event? Yeah, I think I just answered my own question but I would like it if I could sneak behind the brotherhood and drink their blood or just attack them head on or just freely roam and find a civilian in an alleyway and be like "You came to the wrong neighboorhood... SURPRISE MOTHAFUCKA!" and drink their blood Bram Stoker's style. I like my options in games. I know Castlevania is an action game but it would be nice if in the future they work alot on gameplay and AI so the player can have alot of tactics in their gameplay rather than just block and use various combos. Maybe it is just because I've been playng alotta stealth games like MGS, Mark of the Ninja (You guys should try that, it's a side-scroller but it is stealth) lately but... yeah, it is nice to have options in a game.

Now look at Skyrim. You could have just had the option to play as a Nord male warrior who was The Dovahkiin but no, they implemented races, sex and combat styles anyways, right? Not that Castlevania would have a 'Create you Character' thing, because it has its set characters and linear plot, but in the future I hope they give the gameplay with more options. Just my two cents.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 09, 2013, 04:11:34 PM
From Gameinformer:

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Stealth sections are a new addition to the series, which Konami says is necessary due to his initially incomplete set of talents. Since Dracula begins Lords of Shadow 2 without all of his powers intact, he must take a sneakier approach to certain situations.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 09, 2013, 04:23:02 PM
It still isn't clear whether this is just a section thing or a mechanic. Can I do this as Uber-Power Regained Dracula if I want to though. I know that it is just a section but are the AI behavior just programmed to the section or through-out most of open gameplay where as I am afar from the AI's POV and the AI is just Idle standing or walking around. If I'm partaking in the story, is this a linear progression where the enemies are placed a certain way, because if it is. Then there is no stealth. Just like LoS and the LoS2 Demo where the enemies were placed for you in an event. I need to understand Mercurysteam's approach of open-world. Ah well, maybe it is just sections. Last thing I want is an 'Infamous' style Gameplay.
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Post by: EstebanT on December 09, 2013, 04:31:11 PM
I did hear the latest issue of Game Informer has a nice review about LOS2 and they described some of the new Dracula`s abilities: Mist Form, Bat Summoning, Blood Blades that are thrown like daggers, and Glamoring. Relics Powers that allows Dracula to turning into a dragon after collecting dragon scales, etc... But i haven`t see it. if some one find it can please post it?...

So... Bat that distract enemies like fairies... blood daggers that work like the silver daggers, Turning into a dragon after collecting scales... like summoning a demon after finding crystals... blood whip that works like combat cross...

Im excited for this game but damn...
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Post by: Kingshango on December 09, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
So... Bat that distract enemies like fairies... blood daggers that work like the silver daggers, Turning into a dragon after collecting scales... like summoning a demon after finding crystals... blood whip that works like combat cross...

Im excited for this game but damn...

Reusing assets is what Castlevania does best. ;)
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 09, 2013, 05:09:18 PM
Reusing assets is what Castlevania does best. ;)

*Budgets
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 09, 2013, 05:26:22 PM
Just like LoS and the LoS2 Demo where the enemies were placed for you in an event. I need to understand Mercurysteam's approach of open-world. Ah well, maybe it is just sections. Last thing I want is an 'Infamous' style Gameplay.

I thought MercurySteam has already stated that the beginning of the game will be linear, but as you progress, the game progressively becomes more and more open world. Judging from the demo to the game, it's clear that either the demo is the very beginning of the game, or somewhere near it. I'd imagine he starts the game off with all that we saw in the demo, but somehow loses it all (a la Alucard in SotN, perhaps?), then we go and progress and get the rest of the stuff?

But anyway, yeah, I think we'll start with a linear title like the original LoS, and it'll slowly open up into a more open-ended game.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 09, 2013, 06:11:41 PM
I thought MercurySteam has already stated that the beginning of the game will be linear, but as you progress, the game progressively becomes more and more open world. Judging from the demo to the game, it's clear that either the demo is the very beginning of the game, or somewhere near it. I'd imagine he starts the game off with all that we saw in the demo, but somehow loses it all (a la Alucard in SotN, perhaps?), then we go and progress and get the rest of the stuff?

But anyway, yeah, I think we'll start with a linear title like the original LoS, and it'll slowly open up into a more open-ended game.
Yeah, it looks like the demo is at the start of the game sort of as a tutorial and afterward we see how Gabriel loses his powers and ends up a frail old looking vampire as we saw in the LoS1 epilogue. As we start regaining our powers, the game will likely become more and more open world. I'm kind of disappointed that the dragon form looks like it's going to function like the dark crystal from LoS1. I was hoping for something new and innovative.

Well, that's MS for you.
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Post by: e105beta on December 09, 2013, 07:08:46 PM
So... Bat that distract enemies like fairies... blood daggers that work like the silver daggers, Turning into a dragon after collecting scales... like summoning a demon after finding crystals... blood whip that works like combat cross...

Im excited for this game but damn...

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on December 09, 2013, 07:13:02 PM
I just got my issue of Game Informer, which is odd since it usually comes around the middle of the month.

It is a preview, not a review.  I haven't had chance to read it yet but it shows some new screenshots, one of them being Dracula's Dragon Form, which looks awesome.  When I've had chance to read it, I'll update you more.
Review, Preview, whatever... i didn`t see the magazine, I didn`t read it or have it... I was right about the info and share it with the people in here to let them have some news was my goal. The rest it doesn`t really matters...
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Post by: jestercolony on December 10, 2013, 02:24:11 AM
No Bat form? BOYCOTT!
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Post by: Asgardwolf on December 10, 2013, 05:43:48 AM
i think this are the scans from the game informer magazine.
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Post by: jigru0511 on December 10, 2013, 07:06:58 AM
Looks awesome...
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Post by: Flame on December 10, 2013, 08:17:52 AM
dis gun b gud

wonder what that first pic is of?
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 10, 2013, 09:26:03 AM
Game of the forever? Game of the forever.
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Post by: e105beta on December 10, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
I have to say, I'm very impressed with the particle effects I'm seeing. Some of the particles in the last two games could be a bit, eh, but it seems like they've gotten a handle on it. The green fire in the first pic looks great.
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 10, 2013, 09:34:33 AM
 :D
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Post by: Intersection on December 10, 2013, 12:01:29 PM
And here's for the sake of a third-party source:

http://www.gamepur.com/news/13051-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-details-dracula-ability-revealed-gameinformer.html (http://www.gamepur.com/news/13051-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-details-dracula-ability-revealed-gameinformer.html)
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 10, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
And here's for the sake of a third-party source:

http://www.gamepur.com/news/13051-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-details-dracula-ability-revealed-gameinformer.html (http://www.gamepur.com/news/13051-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-details-dracula-ability-revealed-gameinformer.html)
LOL, they copied my bullet points almost word-for-word.
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Post by: Flame on December 10, 2013, 03:52:19 PM
Some stealth seemed a given, given this image that surfaced ages ago

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi887.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac71%2FFlame-G102%2FNowwithstealthbasedcoveraction_zps12945521.jpg%7Eoriginal&hash=449dba3eb07d40d368506542ecac36ad)

And I kind of like the idea. avoid the light or you burn the fuck up.
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Post by: Maedhros on December 10, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
This is a shitty idea... without any context. The prince of darkness, indeed...

Hope it makes sense when we know why is he doing this. Being weak is a really lame explanation
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Post by: Kingshango on December 10, 2013, 04:45:42 PM
Stealth segments to be the next hated mechanic since beastriding confirmed.
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Post by: crisis on December 10, 2013, 05:17:31 PM
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Stealth segments to be the next hated mechanic since beastriding confirmed.

For some reason i read that as breastfeeding
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Post by: Maedhros on December 10, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
For some reason i read that as breastfeeding
Let's hope Carmilla breatfeeding Dracul will be an actual scene on the game.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 10, 2013, 06:38:11 PM
I got excited when I read "dragon form", but judging from the screen shot, it does indeed appear to be like the crystal summon from the first game (same background and lighting and whatnot). Let's hope I'm wrong. It'd be badass to transform into a dragon for a limited amount of time to fuck shit up.

I like that screen of Gabe looking at the castle. It reminds me of a few other instances, particularly Simon looking at the castle in MoF.

And I'm a sucker for the stealth genre, so I hope that stuff is really fun. Still want a reasonable explanation as to why Gabe's sneaking, though. Kinda makes me hope more MGS costume references are made as unlockables now...
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 10, 2013, 06:52:01 PM
Lol, what if Kojima is lying about how he isn't involved in the game... He did that with The Phantom Pain debut on how it wasn't MGS. Now as much as I love MGS, I only want few references where I go "Ahhh, I see what you did there." but I don't want Dracula hiding inside a cardboard box. I don't what stealth 'sections', I want stealth 'mechanics' in it. Like Skyrim, where it is an action game but you can do stealth IF YOU WANT TO. I know some people wont like stealth so it should just remain as a mechanic. Be tactical or go head on. That is what Castlevania needs if it wants to survive or even progress in modern gaming. Games that have various mechanics and gameplay styles thrive on. I think it needs nice Immersion in my opinion.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 10, 2013, 06:59:33 PM
Lol, what if Kojima is lying about how he isn't involved in the game... He did that with The Phantom Pain debut on how it wasn't MGS. Now as much as I love MGS, I only want few references where I go "Ahhh, I see what you did there." but I don't want Dracula hiding inside a cardboard box. I don't what stealth 'sections', I want stealth 'mechanics' in it. Like Skyrim, where it is an action game but you can do stealth IF YOU WANT TO. I know some people wont like stealth so it should just remain as a mechanic. Be tactical or go head on. That is what Castlevania needs if it wants to survive or even progress in modern gaming. Games that have various mechanics and gameplay styles thrive on. I think it needs nice Immersion in my opinion.

It's this kind of idea that I absolutely enjoy. Unfortunately, sometimes that kind of freedom is given flak from the "hardcore gamers" when it deviates from the franchise's original formula. Even if it's just a mechanic, it's still gonna be bashed for being there, since the LoS franchise was always about hacking and slashing.

Just look at Metal Gear Solid 4. It gave you options about whether or not you wanting to be tactical and avoid combat, or take the difficult route and run-n-gun your way through. The latter option was totally against the genre, and that received a LOT of flak from several "hardcore" MGS fans (particularly those that dwell on GameFAQs).

Can't really speak for the Elder Scrolls series as I haven't played it that much. I spent a few hours in Morrowind, but that was when I was a wee lad.

Anyway, hope what I said made sense at all.
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Post by: beingthehero on December 10, 2013, 07:18:28 PM
Oh boy, stealth sections in an action game. With any luck we will also get a long escort mission with a suicidal person that likes to run into crowds of enemies.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 10, 2013, 07:23:51 PM
Oh boy, stealth sections in an action game. With any luck we will also get a long escort mission with a suicidal person that likes to run into crowds of enemies.

That sounds like Dead Rising...
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Post by: crisis on December 10, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
Honestly I could care less about stealth in this game. just give me excellent platforming from beginning to end and I'll be happy.

I can't understand how it seems some people would prefer stealth sections over platforming in a Castlevania game


Quote
With any luck we will also get a long escort mission with a suicidal person that likes to run into crowds of enemies.

Prolly Dracula escorting chibi Trevor calling it now
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 10, 2013, 07:49:28 PM
I don't think any of us are having X sections over Y sections. I for one want the "DRACULA" experience in this... which I know will not be satiated. I want to sneak up in the city behind a civilian and drink their blood. I want a low level knight hearing footsteps and wind caused by superhuman speed and get feared for what he is about to get into as he backs away and Dracula teleports right behind him and drinks the brotherhood scum's blood with the victim's life flashing before his eyes. I wanna eavesdrop on the guards and hear their plans like he did with Alucard and Simon in MoF. Its these EXTRA things that would make the game fun. Castlevania is an Action/Platformer but if I wanna play it like a stealth game, why is it a bad thing? That is the point of the open world approach. OPTIONS. Link to the Past is action, but you can go stealth if you want to. Nobody complains why it has a stealth mechanic there, because it was only a mechanic. It didn't change the game into a stealth genre. It was an Action RPG, but you could go stealth if you wanted to.

Although, the 2D games had poor AI, AoS had Nemesis soul which would render you invisible for a while. And if I do recall correctly, some enemies would be idle if you weren't in front of them. In DoS, the dead pirates were positioned only to one direction depending where you were. If the pirate was facing right and you intially entered the room from the left, you could attack them from behind. You even got a soul from them which caused grater damage if you attacked an enemy from behind. Stealth were unintentionally there in those games so yeah... INB4 LoS2.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 10, 2013, 07:58:29 PM
I think most of the concern regarding the stealth mission (hell might as well throw in the inevitable escort mission with little Trevor or whoever else) is not that it's a stealth segment in an action game but rather that it's a stealth segment in a action game made by Mercurysteam. Who to a lot of people, don't really know how to implement game mechanics well, which is why hearing that there's  stealth segments in a Castlevania game starring Dracula has some people looking like (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fld.png&hash=b270ace9eac5c59237875d33dcb31b68).
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 10, 2013, 08:57:54 PM
Yeah, I suppose that's understandable. But I have a dream...
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Post by: Maedhros on December 11, 2013, 02:19:05 AM
*reads Zetheraxza post*

BWAHAHAHAHAAH
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Post by: uzo on December 11, 2013, 03:02:28 AM
I think I'll be sitting this release out too, like Mirror of Fate, given the recent info thats come out.

See you guys when Castlevania is interesting again.
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 11, 2013, 03:04:08 AM
See you guys when Castlevania is interesting again.
Isn't that like now?  ;D
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2013, 04:00:43 AM
*reads Zetheraxza post*

BWAHAHAHAHAAH

Not sure whether lovin' or hatin'

Anyways, they've rather been slow with updates. Last thing we got was the gameplay presentation narrated by AluStark himself. Changing skin for the original sub weapons is kind of a low blow in my opinion. I hope we get more than faeries, daggers, holy water and Crystal just being Draculified. To be honest I don't really care about time watch... Unless you can't teleport. I'll just pretend that I'm teleporting in front of my enemies. Those brotherhood snacks won't know what hit 'em! I do HOPE that we can have Dark Inferno of some sort. Mercurysteam, give us immersion!
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Post by: Kingshango on December 11, 2013, 06:06:18 AM
Konami can ease some concerns (or raise concerns even further) if they showed more footage of the game.

Maybe Konami should you know, show more footage of the game. Did they forget that the game comes out in 2 months? I wouldn't be surprised if the game already went gold by now.
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Post by: e105beta on December 11, 2013, 07:56:45 AM
Geez, you guys complain about absolutely everything that doesn't fit your exacting specifications.
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Post by: crisis on December 11, 2013, 08:37:46 AM
To clarify, while adding stealth in a Castlevania isn't a 100% dealbreaker for me, it certainly on paper seems jarring and totally out-of-place, especially in an action/platformer, and I don't see the need for anyone of us to make excuses for it such as "dracula needs to avoid sunlight ((despite according to cox the game taking place in 1 night))" or "why not add other gameplay genres to the mix the more the merrier guys." I don't want to have to worry about being in an annoyingly long puzzle segment (which I'm sure there'll be an abundance of) while at the same time adding stealth elements to it, only because "why not?" I'm not entirely convinced that just because an enemy doesn't see you or waits to attack you right away, that constitutes as proof of stealth in previous CV games. As of right now, I don't see how adding stealth gives any more layers of depth to the game, not anymore than adding QTE's or clumsy Collosus fights to LoS1 made it a better experience instead of just shamelessly tacking it on because it worked for that ps2 game so why not here. I could see the same logic being used, "it worked for MGS so why not here?"

Still, no gameplay videos yet, so it's just too early to make a definite decision. And considering the game is only 2 months away, that's kinda worrying. If we're lucky then we'll only see Dracula for whatever reason sneaking behind a few ledges for only a small small portion of the game. Otherwise I really don't see the point [other than obvious Kojima/MGS homage, which there'll no doubt be bucket loads of anyway]
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 11, 2013, 09:52:38 AM
I could understand adding a stealth option if it wasn't mandatory and had some sort of benefit such as extra damage to the enemy or a one hit kill. Or, if the game is truly open world and you want to explore an optional area where the enemies are much stronger, then a stealth option/mode would work. I could also see a short stealth segment at near the beginning of the game when we are weak and are without our powers.

The deal breaker for me would be forced stealth sections just because the developer thought it would be cool when in reality we could just go in guns blazing without changing the story.

And, don't get me started on escort missions where the person you are protecting can die and has suicidal AI (which is practically all escort missions)!!!!
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 11, 2013, 10:31:37 AM
We're forgetting Ecclesia's stealth sections now for convenience?
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2013, 10:35:33 AM
Thank you, Darkwzrd4. That's exactly how I feel about stealth. Optional, not manditory.

We're forgetting Ecclesia's stealth sections now for convenience?

Whaaaaaaa????
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Post by: DoctaMario on December 11, 2013, 10:39:32 AM
I REEEEAAAAAAALLY think you guys are overthinking the stealth thing. I bet at most, it'll be a couple 5-second sections of the game if that. That doesn't turn the game into a stealth game any more than the sections in LoS1 where you have to throw the spears at the Forgotten One turned that game into an FPS.
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 11, 2013, 10:49:09 AM
Thank you, Darkwzrd4. That's exactly how I feel about stealth. Optional, not manditory.

Whaaaaaaa????
The part in the lighthouse, I think, when you have to avoid the light.
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Post by: EstebanT on December 11, 2013, 11:29:26 AM
I REEEEAAAAAAALLY think you guys are overthinking the stealth thing. I bet at most, it'll be a couple 5-second sections of the game if that. That doesn't turn the game into a stealth game any more than the sections in LoS1 where you have to throw the spears at the Forgotten One turned that game into an FPS.

People are overthinking it. But it's also a forum. "Stealth" is kind of all we have talk about at the moment.
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Post by: Intersection on December 11, 2013, 11:32:19 AM
The part in the lighthouse, I think, when you have to avoid the light.
That hardly makes for a "stealth" section.

I REEEEAAAAAAALLY think you guys are overthinking the stealth thing. I bet at most, it'll be a couple 5-second sections of the game if that. That doesn't turn the game into a stealth game any more than the sections in LoS1 where you have to throw the spears at the Forgotten One turned that game into an FPS.
Something's telling me that stealth elements might turn up more often than you're making it out. MercurySteam wouldn't have listed them amongst Dracula's featured abilities if they weren't designed to weigh in on the gameplay in some way or another.
And honestly: if LoS2's self-proclaimed stealth abilities end up being relegated to one-shot minigame status, it'd be something of a disappointment.
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Post by: EstebanT on December 11, 2013, 11:52:33 AM
Yup, so no matter what Mercurysteam does... Some fans will bitch. Untill the end of time.
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Post by: jestercolony on December 11, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
I find it funny people are bitching about "stealth" when you are playing as a nocturnal predator to begin with. Also pro tip: There was stealth elements in LoS. Well, I don't really consider the first portion stealth, but the part where you had to sneak in to the kitchen and secondly when you had to hide from TFO.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on December 11, 2013, 01:35:39 PM
It`s not going to become in: Tactical Espionage Action: Castlevania Lords of Shadow.

Most likelly it will be for some short sections of the game or maybe one stage. Look at Hard Corps Uprising, a game that is a CrazyShoterPlatformer, how Contra should be, but Arcsystems made a good adaptation of Stealth in the 5th Stage and it worked really fine. We should wait and see what happens and how the things end when the game is done or when we can see any real gameplay of it.
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Post by: crisis on December 11, 2013, 01:55:37 PM
Imagine for a second your dream car for 2014. Everything you could possibly want in a vehicle, it has. But there's this 1 thing: it doesn't play CD's nor does it have an AUX input, only cassette tapes. That'll most likely annoy the hell out of you. If not annoyed, then at least "uhh.. really? cassettes?" Drastic example, yeah, but point is, there's always gonna be stuff in life that's gonna make people say "wtf" especially if it's something they're looking forward to. I'm still annoyed that there's talk of stealth sections in this game. A game that's turning out great, but I'm not a diehard fan of the stealth-action genre, so seeing it in Castlevania obviously annoys me. And even so, if it just turns out to be like a quick small portion of the game then I'll be ok with that, and I'm sure everyone else that's "overreacting" will be too.

Don't act like none of you have never been in a similar situation, where something you're looking forward to has an aspect about it that makes you go wtf, and it annoys the hell out of you. As gamers, chances are we've all experienced this emotion at one point so it's kinda ironic how some here are like "ugh you guys will never be satisfied"
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Post by: Intersection on December 11, 2013, 02:10:27 PM
You'd think part of the blame here would go to MercurySteam for implementing a mechanic that was never seen or needed in the entire history of the franchise...
Just saying.
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Post by: EstebanT on December 11, 2013, 03:17:40 PM
You'd think part of the blame here would go to MercurySteam for implementing a mechanic that was never seen or needed in the entire history of the franchise...
Just saying.

Unless you have some sort of access to the game unavailable to anyone else, you should refrain from calling a mechanic in the game unnecessary. You have no way of knowing if its needed or not. You have not played the game....

Just saying.
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Post by: e105beta on December 11, 2013, 03:36:49 PM
Is there some acceptance criteria for LoS2 that I never got? What makes stealth "unnecessary"? Who made that decision?

The way I see it, if I'm playing some weak ass Dracula at the beginning, it make sense that I can't always go in guns blazing. Not to mention the fact that vampires, you know, stalk.
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 11, 2013, 03:38:19 PM
I REEEEAAAAAAALLY think you guys are overthinking the stealth thing. I bet at most, it'll be a couple 5-second sections of the game if that. That doesn't turn the game into a stealth game any more than the sections in LoS1 where you have to throw the spears at the Forgotten One turned that game into an FPS.

There's stealth? Ehh Blood Omen 2 had it heck the point of mist was to use stealth so no skin off my bones and what's this about overreacting? No seriously what the heck has happened when I was away? I just had finals, I'm sick as f@^K so could some tell me in a nutshell was has exactly happened? Please.  :(
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Post by: Kingshango on December 11, 2013, 03:48:08 PM
There's stealth? Ehh Blood Omen 2 had it heck the point of mist was to use stealth so no skin off my bones and what's this about overreacting? No seriously what the heck has happened when I was away? I just had finals, I'm sick as f@^K so could some tell me in a nutshell was has exactly happened? Please.  :(

I posted this in the last page, it should explain why some people are concerned by this:

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I think most of the concern regarding the stealth mission (hell might as well throw in the inevitable escort mission with little Trevor or whoever else) is not that it's a stealth segment in an action game but rather that it's a stealth segment in a action game made by Mercurysteam. Who to a lot of people, don't really know how to implement game mechanics well, which is why hearing that there's  stealth segments in a Castlevania game starring Dracula has some people looking like (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fld.png&hash=b270ace9eac5c59237875d33dcb31b68).
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 11, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
I posted this in the last page, it should explain why some people are concerned by this:

Ahh I see. I seem to be getting blood omen 2 vibes from Los2 does anyone else feel that way?
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2013, 04:25:51 PM
I think if it is done right, it will prevail. There are still people who are angry about the Reboot, 3D gameplay, Trevorcard and etc. Of course we've all been in that situation. Metroid became FPS, No Xen in HL2 series and the Reboot of CV series was the cherry to the top. But yeah, sometimes there are things you can accept later on after you have the change grow on to you after you find the good in it. And there are people who won't not because they didn't give it chance, but they just didn't like 'something' about it overall...

Tactical Espionage Action: Castlevania Lords of Shadow.

Now that I have been thinking about it after playing almost all of the MGS games and from what I've gathered from the MGSV trailers, Big Boss is... Dracula. The guy had good intentions but had his loved one taken away like Mathias/Gabriel, got betrayed a lot like Gabriel, Got his ass whooped a lot by the his enemies and came back from several comas like the resurrection cycle of Dracula. I played Peace Walker and thought about something they should do in the future games or should've done. Dracula has resurrected several times right? Lets just say he doesn't resurrect his Castle, decorates it and summons various armies and creatures by snapping his fingers. What if he was weak like modern day Gabriel weak and had to do lots of things in order to resurrect his castle such as take over small mansions, churches and then gained some powers from his experience and then resurrect the dead from the churches he took over and summon minions for tasks such as rebuilding the Castle to Magic Researching to Armies to Weapons forge. Minions would range from not just creatures to various undead but they would all be unique even within their races. And it doesn't just end there because different Dark Lords are competing against Dracula to gain power and you much teach them that YOU ARE THE ABSOLUTE POWAH!!!! This would take place around 1800s where the disappearance of Belmonts took place and now you know why...
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Post by: crisis on December 11, 2013, 04:53:24 PM
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Is there some acceptance criteria for LoS2 that I never got? What makes stealth "unnecessary"? Who made that decision?

That's the thing, to each their own man. While some may accept the idea of espionage & Dracula hiding from his enemies, others just don't feel that type of gameplay belongs. Just like how some people wouldn't wanna see a racing minigame thrown in but others may not mind it


Now lets stop this endless debate and give me a fucking kiss already *unloosens bowtie*
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2013, 04:56:28 PM
Just like how some people wouldn't wanna see a racing minigame

Or a fighting game...
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Post by: Asgardwolf on December 11, 2013, 04:58:02 PM
Now that I have been thinking about it after playing almost all of the MGS games and from what I've gathered from the MGSV trailers, Big Boss is... Dracula. The guy had good intentions but had his loved one taken away like Mathias/Gabriel, got betrayed a lot like Gabriel, Got his ass whooped a lot by the his enemies and came back from several comas like the resurrection cycle of Dracula. I played Peace Walker and thought about something they should do in the future games or should've done. Dracula has resurrected several times right? Lets just say he doesn't resurrect his Castle, decorates it and summons various armies and creatures by snapping his fingers. What if he was weak like modern day Gabriel weak and had to do lots of things in order to resurrect his castle such as take over small mansions, churches and then gained some powers from his experience and then resurrect the dead from the churches he took over and summon minions for tasks such as rebuilding the Castle to Magic Researching to Armies to Weapons forge. Minions would range from not just creatures to various undead but they would all be unique even within their races. And it doesn't just end there because different Dark Lords are competing against Dracula to gain power and you much teach them that YOU ARE THE ABSOLUTE POWAH!!!! This would take place around 1800s where the disappearance of Belmonts took place and now you know why...
Castlevacraft?

Or a fighting game...
I remeber Cox saying a couple of times LOS combat system was also inspired by fighting games.
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Post by: Munchy on December 11, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
A fighting game would be cool if done right. I still think Judgment should have been 4 players though. (And obviously with a different character designer but that goes without saying at this point.)

Actually, Judgment could have been amazing if it were 4 player and across all Konami games. Konami Krazy Fistikuffs?

That's the thing, to each their own man. While some may accept the idea of espionage & Dracula hiding from his enemies, others just don't feel that type of gameplay belongs. Just like how some people wouldn't wanna see a racing minigame thrown in but others may not mind it

Yeah, I'd say it just doesn't belong. I honestly can't think of a single non-stealth game containing a stealth section I enjoyed.
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Post by: Maedhros on December 11, 2013, 05:51:16 PM
If there weren't people "bitching" on these forums, this topic would turn into some "masturbatory" place for Flame, Ahasverus, Docta Mario, etc to praise LoS for everything it did to the franchise and how Iga sucked and shit... and without these guys, the topic would be a infinite black hole of hate and negativism coming from guys like me and others.

Diferent point of views are pretty important part of forums. Even extreme ones. Deal with it guys.

EDITED.
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Post by: EstebanT on December 11, 2013, 06:04:49 PM
If there weren't people "bitching" on these forums, this topic would turn into some "masturbatory" place for Flame, Ahasverus, Docta Mario, etc to praise LoS for everything it did to the franchise and how Iga sucked and shit...

Diferent point of views are pretty important part of forums. Even extreme ones. Deal with it guys.

HAHA! Nobody is trying to silence you. Just wait until the game comes out to insult gameplay mechanics that may or may not be important.... people have such strong opinions on shit they know nothing about.

I have never seen anyone in these forums praise everything Mercurysteam does. Calm yourselves IGA fanboys... I might even join you in complaining about the stealth... once more info or the game itself comes out first.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
It's just speculations, mayne. I like discussing things when its just fun and games. I don't like flame however... N-No-N-Not y-you, dungeonite. You're alright.
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Post by: Maedhros on December 11, 2013, 06:28:22 PM
HAHA! Nobody is trying to silence you. Just wait until the game comes out to insult gameplay mechanics that may or may not be important.... people have such strong opinions on shit they know nothing about.

I have never seen anyone in these forums praise everything Mercurysteam does. Calm yourselves IGA fanboys... I might even join you in complaining about the stealth... once more info or the game itself comes out first.

That's cute, because I don't give a shit about Iga or any other name associated with games. I'm not playing a director, I'm playing games. If it's not good, you betcha I'll complain about the problems I see.

About stealth, we're just speculating right now. There's no way to know if it'll be good or not, but based on their past, I can get worried.
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 11, 2013, 06:55:48 PM
As others have said thr Forgotten ONe part of LoS was 100% stealth, however it was annoying, but it might be because of the not so stellar platfforming controls. I have faith in this title because it's ambitious (the most ambitious Castlevania ever without a doubt) and they've had a lot of time of polishing, I mean, they game was finished like 3 months ago, all this time is polishing time, it needs to be perfect or as close as it might be on itself. I seriously don't think that with all the time in the world MS had let their magnum opus being drag to the ground by some stupid decisions.

About the stealth, I'm hoping for less MGS stealth and more Batman stealth.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 11, 2013, 07:02:27 PM
About the stealth, I'm hoping for less MGS stealth and more Batman stealth.

Yeah, Batman stealth is what would really fit in the game.
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Post by: e105beta on December 11, 2013, 07:58:51 PM
That's the thing, to each their own man. While some may accept the idea of espionage & Dracula hiding from his enemies, others just don't feel that type of gameplay belongs. Just like how some people wouldn't wanna see a racing minigame thrown in but others may not mind it


Now lets stop this endless debate and give me a fucking kiss already *unloosens bowtie*

You have no idea how much I want to see an "Akumajō Dracula Kāto" racing game. *puckers lips*
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Post by: Flame on December 12, 2013, 09:05:06 AM
If there weren't people "bitching" on these forums, this topic would turn into some "masturbatory" place for Flame, Ahasverus, Docta Mario, etc to praise LoS for everything it did to the franchise and how Iga sucked and shit...
hey now...
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Post by: Intersection on December 12, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
And now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for crisis to explain just why he's upvoted 17 posts in a row...
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 12, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
hey now...
I liked the part about masturbating.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 12, 2013, 11:27:33 AM
There's so much mass turbulence in this thread. All of us act like that we're master debaters.
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Post by: Nagumo on December 12, 2013, 12:22:08 PM
Nobody is bitching here. Everybody can give whatever critique they want. Let's get back to discussing the game itself, instead of insulting each other.
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Post by: e105beta on December 12, 2013, 02:02:41 PM
I liked the part about masturbating.

I make one post discussing the merits of Symphony of the Night, and all of a sudden I get left out.

Why can't I be masturbatory?
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Post by: Intersection on December 12, 2013, 02:33:23 PM
Why can't I be masturbatory?
Take it as a compliment. You've now been inducted into the "infinite black hole of hate". Welcome to the club.  ;D

Masturbatory considerations aside, though, Maedhros's point is rather sound.
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Post by: Rugal on December 12, 2013, 02:44:16 PM
Lords of Shadow is a terrible addition to Castlevania.

 ;)
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Post by: e105beta on December 12, 2013, 04:20:39 PM
Lords of Shadow is a terrible addition to Castlevania.

 ;)

You're a Funny Guy.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0K63RYrlXc#)
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Post by: DoctaMario on December 12, 2013, 07:36:58 PM
I make one post discussing the merits of Symphony of the Night, and all of a sudden I get left out.

Why can't I be masturbatory?

I think that was Maedhros' way of saying he wants to watch me take advantage of myself. xD

Lords of Shadow is a terrible addition to Castlevania.

 ;)


Where is the LOL button like they have on SRK? xD

So I was playing the LoS2 demo again last night and damn if I'm not even more lookin forward to this game. I'm really hoping I'm right that they intentionally played it safe with LoS1 and are going to stretch out a bit more in LoS2.

Either way, I just 110%ed LoS1 tonight. All the chapters, even the DLC, got all the art and everything. I don't have much more to do in MoF and I'll be ready to tackle LoS2!
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 13, 2013, 02:13:59 AM
Just a theory: What if the Castle Siege was in fact the final chronological chapter of the medieval era of LoS2? (Dracula has all his powers, and loses them against the Paladin and Alucard after crushing down the titan.)
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 13, 2013, 05:22:51 AM
Just a theory: What if the Castle Siege was in fact the final chronological chapter of the medieval era of LoS2? (Dracula has all his powers, and loses them against the Paladin and Alucard after crushing down the titan.)

I'm not entirely sure, though it does make a little sense. But the opening cutscene to the Castle Siege is definitely a game-opening cutscene. Plus, I don't think he'd have cutscenes to introduce the weapons to us if we've already seen them previously.
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Post by: Chernabogue on December 13, 2013, 05:36:15 AM
I'm not entirely sure, though it does make a little sense. But the opening cutscene to the Castle Siege is definitely a game-opening cutscene. Plus, I don't think he'd have cutscenes to introduce the weapons to us if we've already seen them previously.
You missed a word. I mean chronologically, not gameplay-wise. See:

Game
1 Castle Siege (tuto)
2 Old Drac in Modern Times + Flashbacks in the past

Plot
1 Gabriel in the past (finding his weapons)
2 Castle Siege
3 Old Drac in Modern Times
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 13, 2013, 09:44:08 AM
I like the Darksiders 2 soundtrack. The ''Dead'' areas have cool electronic music. I'd like that kind of arrangements in LOS2 calm or serene areas or situations. Also ''Death'' voice actor was great and Carlyle on Drac is in that level of coolness
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Post by: Asgardwolf on December 13, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
At the end of the LOS2 demo you can read Dracula will be back weakened from his battle with Simon and Alucard, It makes think the Castle Siege is taking place at the same time of the MOF (Simon/Alucard) events and after that final battle he got against them both he will not wake up until modern times.
Title: beyoncé ^.^
Post by: crisis on December 13, 2013, 01:31:22 PM
Yeah I too am a tad confused on the exact timeline of events
I mean, the castle crumbles to pieces after Dracula is defeated by Simo y Alucard, but
then the castle siege takes place not soon after, the castle is still in tact
unless the castle siege takes place several decades after MoF, then i can see the castle re-emerging
but if it's immediately after then doth that mean the castle was also immediately rebuilt in record time?
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 13, 2013, 02:58:27 PM
Well, at the end of one of the trailers, we see Alucard with a sword. So, the siege has to be after MoF. It's likely that after the fight with Simon and Alucard, Gabriel recovered from the fight and the castle resurrected itself. For all we know, the siege took place decades, if not centuries, after MoF.

Keep in mind that according to the narration of the first stage in LoS1, it takes place in 1043 AD.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 13, 2013, 03:09:43 PM
1043 AD.

1047, actually.

Also, yeah, this game definitely takes place after MoF. There's no place in the timeline it could work being before or during, since as for the former, Alucard hadn't even awoken yet, and during, well... I'm pretty sure during the events of MoF, Drac was being his lazy ass self and just sitting in a chair all day.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 13, 2013, 04:45:13 PM
I think that the castle siege was 100 years later after Simon and Alucard. Maybe when Drac awakens in modern times, he remembers just Simon and Alucard but later remembers other things. Also I think that once Cox tweeted that modern times Drac was a 100 years without lunch or dinner lol, something like that. All these doubts will be cleared until the game's release
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 15, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
So anyone read this months issue of gameinformer? I did and the dragon from looks really cool since dracula actually turns into one I thought it was just a thing of smoke. I'have to look at it again.
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Post by: Maedhros on December 15, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
So anyone read this months issue of gameinformer? I did and the dragon from looks really cool since dracula actually turns into one I thought it was just a thing of smoke. I'have to look at it again.
Since it'll be just like the Dark Crystal, I'll probably only look once, say "wow, cool" and skip every time I need to use it (meaning time trial chalenges, probably).
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 15, 2013, 11:53:36 AM
There was more but I just skimed through it I have to read it in depth.
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Post by: Intersection on December 15, 2013, 12:13:25 PM
Any news on whether the Dragon form is actually interactive? Or will it just be your standard, disappointing Gabriel summon like it appeared in LoS?
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Post by: Neobelmont on December 15, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
It deleted my dang comment fuuuu......

I'll start from the top

We know about the mist form it's used to dodge powerful attacks,enemies, and barriers, As for the stealth sections there's not much except for that Dracula can use bats to distract opponents but, afterwards "After charming his enemies into servitude, he can take control of them to avoid unwanted encounters."

As for the dragon form he needs a talisman to transform into it and that he needs "ancient dragon scales" to activate this form, other than that "it seems to be a nuclear option for when things get dicey."

Then there's his abilities which has him cutting his wrist to create blades to stun enemies, The Seal of Alastor which unlocks every skill for Dracula weapons but the article says " temporarily" and the stolas clock which slows down time and gives experience for each attack.

The article only has five picture one with the dragon form itself, skeletons, drac dodging an enemy, old drac, and past drac looking at his castle. nothing more than that.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on December 15, 2013, 02:05:48 PM
I know it is just a gameplay challenge and balance but this Dracula is so materialistic when it comes to power. Some of these aren't even his own. He has to collect amulets and scales for his dragon form is kinda weak. Mathias did have the ebony or crimson stone but at least after that he worked for his powers after that. This guy needs to collect things and I'm only implying to Stolas, Alastor and the dragon scales. I'm fine with the Void sword and fists.
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Post by: soma555 on December 15, 2013, 05:31:12 PM
Dracula Dragon Form

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1509840_790307734329645_1707606972_n.jpg)

https://twitter.com/lorddracula1047
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 15, 2013, 06:20:18 PM
This is a different Dracula from Mathias and collecting stuff to achieve transformations or recurring to items to do somethings is just to make the game more entertaining. Just saying.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 15, 2013, 06:35:02 PM
who woulda thought that Dracula's dragon form will probably look like a dragon
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 15, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
Is anyone else disappointed by the lack of bat form in the LoS trilogy?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 15, 2013, 07:01:57 PM
Yes. I really hoped for a bat form
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on December 15, 2013, 07:44:15 PM
At least the Mist Form and Wolf Form are still something. I want new mechanics though, not some bootleg clone of subweapons. At least the light and shadow magic is an actual gameplay now. And how does charm work? Does it let us actually control NPC or is it like Force Unleashed where you tell the enemy that your kin are betraying you and they fight their fellow knights.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on December 15, 2013, 08:27:20 PM
Then there's his abilities which has him cutting his wrist to create blades to stun enemies,

Now that's edgy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on December 15, 2013, 08:32:30 PM
Dracula Dragon Form

Ok, ok. I know it's low res, but it kinda looks like a bloodied flying possum.
Smaug is more magnificent. (Sorry dears, I just have to put it here)

Is anyone else disappointed by the lack of bat form in the LoS trilogy?

Me too. Maybe they don't like the idea of vampires transforming into bats.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 15, 2013, 08:40:04 PM
Me too. Maybe they don't like the idea of vampires transforming into bats.

But...
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on December 15, 2013, 10:13:27 PM
But...
(click to show/hide)

Oh right. Forgot about that.
Maybe they don't want players to play hide and seek as a bat.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 16, 2013, 12:18:07 AM
Oh right. Forgot about that.
Maybe they don't want players to play hide and seek as a bat.
It'd have been a bit dumb to put a bat form with all the plateforming. Alucard's act would be a piece of cake with a bat form.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on December 16, 2013, 03:53:57 AM
Dracula Dragon Form

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1509840_790307734329645_1707606972_n.jpg)

https://twitter.com/lorddracula1047

Dragon form or Goose form? Cause that looks like a plucked goose.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 16, 2013, 08:02:54 AM
It'd have been a bit dumb to put a bat form with all the plateforming. Alucard's act would be a piece of cake with a bat form.

In sure the platforming would've been adjusted accordingly to suit the new mechanic. Or bat form could use up a shitload of your magic bar.... Or something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on December 16, 2013, 12:43:04 PM
GameInformer Preview. Castlevania: Lords Of Shadow 2. A Closer Look At Dracula's Vampiric Powers

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2/b/ps3/archive/2013/12/16/a-closer-look-at-dracula-39-s-vampiric-powers.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/games/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2/b/ps3/archive/2013/12/16/a-closer-look-at-dracula-39-s-vampiric-powers.aspx)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 16, 2013, 01:20:48 PM
Dope.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.gameinformer.com%2Fimagefeed%2Fscreenshots%2FCastlevaniaLordsofShadow2%2FDragon%2520Transformation.gif&hash=107bb60b8ae6517d6fa3af94d9863fe1)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on December 16, 2013, 01:25:43 PM
So we'll actually be able to control our dragon. Neat.
All that's left to wonder about now is whether Drac's dragon form will be your generic "big mushroom" stomping machine, or whether it will have its own unique abilities. I'm hoping MS chooses the second option.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 16, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
Holy shit. Stolas has for some reason always been my favorite enemy. Stolas is back more badass than ever!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 16, 2013, 02:04:57 PM
Maybe we have to defeat Stolas, Alastor and even a dragon to acquire those abilities. That would be great
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 16, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
Dope.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.gameinformer.com%2Fimagefeed%2Fscreenshots%2FCastlevaniaLordsofShadow2%2FDragon%2520Transformation.gif&hash=107bb60b8ae6517d6fa3af94d9863fe1)
Fuck. Me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 16, 2013, 02:49:52 PM
I'm going to lol when those of you that are expecting all these grandiose things will be utterly disappointed when it turns out it's not what you expected once the game's available. Same thing happened right before LoS1's release. There were some that enjoyed it for what it was, and there were many that hated it for what it wasn't. There were articles revealing a lot of random stuff about the gameplay and people would misinterpret things left and right, accurate or not. Same thing's gonna happen with LoS2, mark my words.


as for myself? I have no doubt it's gonna be a good game, but MercurySteam has pulled the classic "bait 'n switch" before and I'm not falling for it again, sorry. I'm keeping my expectations realistic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 16, 2013, 03:04:02 PM
I'm going to lol when those of you that are expecting all these grandiose things will be utterly disappointed when it turns out it's not what you expected once the game's available. Same thing happened right before LoS1's release


as for myself? I have no doubt it's gonna be a good game, but MercurySteam has pulled the classic "bait 'n switch" before and I'm not falling for it again, sorry. I'm keeping my expectations realistic.
I'm expecting "Lords of Shadow 2", not "Christ is coming and is now a videogame - Carmilla's bouncy boobs special edition".

If that's what I get, another LoS, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 16, 2013, 03:06:10 PM
Dragon form or Goose form? Cause that looks like a plucked goose.

You're right. Except for the part where it doesn't look like a goose at all....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on December 16, 2013, 03:35:51 PM
Nah, looks like a straight-up goose head to me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on December 16, 2013, 06:00:53 PM
Where did you guys see that the Dragon would be controlable? Reading the article only confirms it'll be the same as the Dark Crystal.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on December 16, 2013, 06:31:08 PM
Dope.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.gameinformer.com%2Fimagefeed%2Fscreenshots%2FCastlevaniaLordsofShadow2%2FDragon%2520Transformation.gif&hash=107bb60b8ae6517d6fa3af94d9863fe1)
WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THEY MAKE A 2D CASTLEVANIA WITH THIS LEVEL OF ANIMATION

DAMMIT MERCURY STEAM ;___;
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 16, 2013, 07:15:07 PM
Nah, looks like a straight-up goose head to me.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.us%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fhehehehehe_duck.gif&hash=54dac83b96e5fc52a22cc91fdd2da747)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on December 16, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
Nope nope.
Angry Possum.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdixiebonespost.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F11%2Fpossum1.jpg&hash=1d04af23354ce97f669c75b82a600020)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Puritan on December 16, 2013, 09:32:45 PM
>Stolas

Cooool.

>Alastor

Cue inevitable "ZOMGWTFBBQ MS IS RIPPING OFF DMC!!11"  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 16, 2013, 09:46:12 PM
I believe people in these forums are smarter than that....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on December 16, 2013, 10:17:16 PM
Most of these powers aren't new content. The ending of the article says that they're just a slice of his abilities. That better be true.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on December 16, 2013, 10:22:06 PM
I think its been voiced before but guys I am getting worried. The game is coming out in three months and the lack of coverage is worrying.
Edit: What I mean is the lack of gameplay videos since summer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on December 16, 2013, 10:27:51 PM
Holy shit. Stolas has for some reason always been my favorite enemy. Stolas is back more badass than ever!

I hope that he's a boss, and voiced by an awesome old British dude not yet cast in the game. Been waiting to see that crazy fucker again for a while; here's hoping they choose some more outlandish creatures to beat up. LoS1 amped that aspect up a little towards the end of the game, but not enough, really.

I think its been voiced before but guys I am getting worried. The game is coming out in three months and the lack of coverage is worrying.
Edit: What I mean is the lack of gameplay videos since summer.

MercurySteam: Konaaaami!!! What did I tell you about leaving your PR campaigns to the last minute?
Konami: Aw, jeez, Dad's really sore at me now! Time to huff some more Dran-O!
*laugh track*

Don't worry guys, there's a Konami building in my neighborhood. I'll drive by, glaring at them menacingly, and they'll get the message then.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 16, 2013, 10:44:45 PM
I prefer to discover the game in three months than to get spoiled everything like for MoF.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on December 16, 2013, 10:56:11 PM
I think its been voiced before but guys I am getting worried. The game is coming out in three months and the lack of coverage is worrying.
Edit: What I mean is the lack of gameplay videos since summer.

They're doing the same thing that they did with LoS1 and MoF. They wait till the game is a month before release and then media and hands on impressions are out in the eleventh hour.

By the end of January we might end up seeing a good chunk of the game till it's release.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on December 16, 2013, 11:10:37 PM
I guess so. But I think Lord of Shadows 2 has a up hill battle to face with naysayers of both Lord of Shadows 1 and 2. Its like Konami is like like lets ship this game and then whatever  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 16, 2013, 11:27:20 PM
I prefer to discover the game in three months than to get spoiled everything like for MoF.

You know what enrages me more?
(click to show/hide)

I HATE liars.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 16, 2013, 11:29:28 PM
I hope that he's a boss, and voiced by an awesome old British dude not yet cast in the game.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.giantbomb.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F3%2F31838%2F2479898-5306373992-minue.gif&hash=375ac65b6d3538bf476659e79608e708) R u 'avin a giggle m8? il bash ye fookin ead in i sware on me mom.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on December 17, 2013, 01:35:45 AM
Pleasantly suprised Stolas and Alastor actually resemble, you know, Stolas and Alastor. It's not something you can take for granted with these games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on December 17, 2013, 05:52:59 AM
With this whole "Cox lied" crap, the operative word is "IS." Trevor "is" not Alucard.
Trevor died and is nothing but dead.
Alucard WAS Trevor. Literally speaking, Cox did not lie.
Not my opinion, just knowledge of the English language.

I even asked him on Twitter if Alucard "WAS" Trevor, and he said "no comment."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 17, 2013, 06:47:05 AM
It's like when the press asked Marion Cotillard if she was really Tahlia Al Gul. Of course she denied it, that was the whole twist of the movie. That's not lying, that's PR for you.
Title: miley cyrus ^.^
Post by: crisis on December 17, 2013, 07:05:36 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled2-3.png&hash=16f372808d7f014c07d693823ae861ba)
Title: Re: miley cyrus ^.^
Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 17, 2013, 07:34:38 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled2-3.png&hash=16f372808d7f014c07d693823ae861ba)
That pretty much sums it up. He didn't really lie, he just answered in a misleading way. Basically, we can't trust him because even when he tells the truth, it's usually misleading.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 17, 2013, 07:37:57 AM
Mirror of fate's twist was pathetically predictable, but I can imagine the rage if he would've been honest.

OMG Guyz. Cox spoiled the game for everyone. Mercurysteam sux.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 17, 2013, 07:40:41 AM
Mirror of fate's twist was pathetically predictable, but I can imagine the rage if he would've been honest.

OMG Guyz. Cox spoiled the game for everyone. Mercurysteam sux.
They can't win on this forum, really.

In other news, the easiest difficulty is called Twilight Knight lolololol  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on December 17, 2013, 07:41:46 AM
I think its been voiced before but guys I am getting worried. The game is coming out in three months and the lack of coverage is worrying.
Edit: What I mean is the lack of gameplay videos since summer.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 17, 2013, 07:43:44 AM
More art

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbpQ6gDCQAAaegL.jpg:large)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 17, 2013, 07:55:40 AM
It's fanart but it's still nice.
Title: Re: miley cyrus ^.^
Post by: Melanicus on December 17, 2013, 09:11:57 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled2-3.png&hash=16f372808d7f014c07d693823ae861ba)

Well you see, it's all true--from a certain point of view:


Robot Chicken: A Certain Point of View (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOBeD1GC_Y#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 17, 2013, 09:24:19 AM
More art

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbpQ6gDCQAAaegL.jpg:large)
LOL That thing was done in 10 minutes in Photoshop.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on December 17, 2013, 09:49:10 AM
LOL That thing was done in 10 minutes in Photoshop.
That`s not an official art. It`s a fan made, I think is from Ren the guy of the CV:LOS2 Facebook group.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 17, 2013, 10:23:36 AM
WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THEY MAKE A 2D CASTLEVANIA WITH THIS LEVEL OF ANIMATION

DAMMIT MERCURY STEAM ;___;

Too bad the animation budget would be immense. Ugh, would have been so good.

You know what enrages me more?
(click to show/hide)

I HATE liars.

It's not a lie at all. Alucard himself even agrees.

"Trevor died a long time ago father. I am Alucard."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 17, 2013, 11:06:13 AM
Mirror of fate's twist was pathetically predictable, but I can imagine the rage if he would've been honest.

OMG Guyz. Cox spoiled the game for everyone. Mercurysteam sux.

Cox is the only one to blame. Like you said, the twist is absurdly predictable and untasteful.

(click to show/hide)
Quote
It's not a lie at all. Alucard himself even agrees.

"Trevor died a long time ago father. I am Alucard."

(click to show/hide)

I like the games, really. But the story is killing me. I REALLY want the final game to be extremelly epic, and by the look of things, it's doing very well.
Title: Re: miley cyrus ^.^
Post by: Inccubus on December 17, 2013, 11:35:35 AM
That pretty much sums it up. He didn't really lie, he just answered in a misleading way. Basically, we can't trust him because even when he tells the truth, it's usually misleading.

1
:  to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2
:  to create a false or misleading impression

... yeah.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on December 17, 2013, 11:38:02 AM
I hope that he's a boss, and voiced by an awesome old British dude not yet cast in the game. Been waiting to see that crazy fucker again for a while; here's hoping they choose some more outlandish creatures to beat up. LoS1 amped that aspect up a little towards the end of the game, but not enough, really.

MercurySteam: Konaaaami!!! What did I tell you about leaving your PR campaigns to the last minute?
Konami: Aw, jeez, Dad's really sore at me now! Time to huff some more Dran-O!
*laugh track*

Don't worry guys, there's a Konami building in my neighborhood. I'll drive by, glaring at them menacingly, and they'll get the message then.

I said at the time, one of the things that MS was more superspoiler repented of MoF, have revealed much yet nothing "los2".

However even some videos reveal more, one in early January (probably the 10th) and another in February (no date).

More gameplay, the dragon, the toymaker and a surprise show more
There are only 10 weeks, it's nothing ... on the one hand I feel sorry in 10 weeks LoS is over, but then is exciting, begins a new adventure in Castlevania ...

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 17, 2013, 01:27:54 PM
Which is ridiculously contradictory in itself. So, Trevor died now and he's Alucard, yet he insists in calling Dracula his father, which he is supposedly not, considering that he was made by Dracula when he was Gabriel the human, which he's also not anymore because he's Dracula, yet Dracula calls him his son when he's dying, yet he's not his son... AAAUGH!

You're grossly exaggerating how complex it is to make an, IMO, very poor point.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatManIsDead (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatManIsDead)

It's a very, very common trope.

Sorry, no. He may not be called Trevor "because Dracula changed his name", but his motives are the same, his soul is the same, his clothing is the same, his voice is the same, he recognizes Gabriel/Dracula as his father, and Simon as his son, thus he's essentially Trevor.

Did anyone say we can't call him Trevor? Dracula calls him Trevor.

Also, whenever I see someone defending Cox "He's right, Trevor is not Alucard", I try reallly, really hard to not cry in fetal position. It seems like said person is trying too much to hide the truth from himself with semantic plays. I see the point. I understand the symbolics behind "Trevor dying and being reborn as a creature of the night, with nothing to lose anymore", but c'mon dudes?

Stow the drama for a second, will you? Nobody is saying "OMG TREVOR ISN'T ALUCARD IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, OR VICE VERSA. THEY ARE TWO DISTINCT BEINGS ORIGINATING FROM TWO SEPARATE SOURCES". The point is that Cox was running MoF's PR at the point of making that statement, and upon being asked the biggest spoiler of the game, chose no to spoil it and instead responded with what ultimately amounted to a very PR answer.

I don't get why people get so "Cox lied, people died" about it. Sure, he could have abstained from answering the question, but he didn't, and the answer works if you're not being flat out literal about it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on December 17, 2013, 01:55:35 PM
I know 4 people who died from cox's lie, e105beta.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 17, 2013, 02:36:34 PM
Cox murdered my father in cold blood, but that's not the point! It wasn't the lies that killed him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 17, 2013, 02:37:31 PM
Apparently there will be a boss rush mode or something like that according to Cox. But then again, he is a liar lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on December 17, 2013, 03:10:50 PM
A month ago the leak guy came through and said that there's an arena mode in Los2, so that's probably it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 17, 2013, 03:27:28 PM
You're grossly exaggerating how complex it is to make an, IMO, very poor point.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatManIsDead (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatManIsDead)

It's a very, very common trope.

What is a very poor point? Me unlinking Cox spoilerrific antics? Ha, that's cute.

You know what is also a common trope? Writing a decent story, and not spoiling it's twist before the time, or people will bark at
you. Not that he cares, but still...

Trevor becoming Alucard, I WILL admit that would be a good twist on this timeline, but the worst thing Cox did was spoiling his appearance, then lying about it, then we finding out that he can't ever keep a blanket on his own story to make it interesting.

Did anyone say we can't call him Trevor? Dracula calls him Trevor.

Am I saying anything about people calling him Trevor or Alucard? I think I made myself quite clear that what I hated was Cox's little "misleading" info. THAT is what gets me. And there are people jumping right in front of Cox to defend him, saying that, in fact Alucard is not Trevor. And you would be surprised with the ammount of times I called "Alucard" Trevor, and people jumped right in to correct me. Gimme a break.

Stow the drama for a second, will you? Nobody is saying "OMG TREVOR ISN'T ALUCARD IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, OR VICE VERSA. THEY ARE TWO DISTINCT BEINGS ORIGINATING FROM TWO SEPARATE SOURCES". The point is that Cox was running MoF's PR at the point of making that statement, and upon being asked the biggest spoiler of the game, chose no to spoil it and instead responded with what ultimately amounted to a very PR answer.

The drama is only inside your head. Also, nobody is saying that Alucard is not Trevor? I recommend you do a quick skim through the responses not only on this topic, but everywhere on the internet.

I don't get why people get so "Cox lied, people died" about it. Sure, he could have abstained from answering the question, but he didn't, and the answer works if you're not being flat out literal about it.

"Sure, he could have abstained from answering the question"

THIS. This is the whole point.

My opinion is simply: "Cox lied about his own plot twist to ensure the success of it, yet it was outright predictable and disappointing, leading me to think that maybe Cox doesn't have such a firm grasp on the story after all".
He could've abstained, but what he did was generate a bunch of fans that will swear that Alucard is not Trevor. See what I mean?

Also, I'm entitled to my opinion, much like you are. But the fact "Cox lied" is not malleable to opinions. He lied, spoiled his own twist, and that's it, period. "Cox lied, people died" because these people actually DO care for the plot, and hates when they are spoiled about it. It's even worse when the own creator of the work spoils it for you.

That's the WHOLE problem. The spoiling. It ruined the surprise. And it got even worse when Cox decided to "unspoil" the whole thing, just to have the game itself call him a liar. If he's able to sacrifice his own twist to earn some publicity, what more is he able to do?

My opinion on the matter is that, amazingly, this is the only thing I hate about his trilogy and himself. The game? I like it a lot and cannot wait for the sequel.

Also, is anyone aware if MoF will come for PC anytime soon?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 17, 2013, 04:24:49 PM
I'm just going to post this again, because I don't think you took a second to even look at it:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatManIsDead (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatManIsDead)

There is a common trope where characters lose themselves in their alter egos or leave behind past selves that they, for one reason or another, want to leave behind. When Alucard says "Trevor died along time ago, father, I am Alucard" he's being symbolic. It doesn't mean he's contradictory or lying, it means that he no longer sees himself as the man known as Trevor, and acknowledges that his old life is gone. In his eyes, Trevor was a human knight of the Brotherhood. Now he's some disgusting vampire. His essence, his humanity, has changed, and he's adopted the new persona of Alucard to distance himself from his old self.

Yes, it's semantics, but language is full of semantics. You can sit there and say "Cox is a liar" because Alucard used to be Trevor, and obviously he was being dodgy to avoid spoiling the twist, but there are philosophical grounds to the contrary, and plenty of movies/books/games play with it all the time. Also, getting upset about it is dumb. It's marketing, the whole point is to get you talking about it.

Also, Konami spoiled nothing. They revealed too much, maybe, but everyone figured out Trevor becomes Alucard on their own, and there was enough uncertainty that people were arguing that they were two distinct figures up until the very end.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 17, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
I'm just going to post this again, because I don't think you took a second to even look at it:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatManIsDead (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatManIsDead)
Please don't insult my intelligence. Even if I had no idea of what TV Tropes is or the activities the tropers take, supposing I didn't try reading it is going many limbs off. Even the title of the trope is basically Exactly What it Says on the Tin.

There is a common trope where characters lose themselves in their alter egos or leave behind past selves that they, for one reason or another, want to leave behind. When Alucard says "Trevor died along time ago, father, I am Alucard" he's being symbolic. It doesn't mean he's contradictory or lying, it means that he no longer sees himself as the man known as Trevor, and acknowledges that his old life is gone. In his eyes, Trevor was a human knight of the Brotherhood. Now he's some disgusting vampire. His essence, his humanity, has changed, and he's adopted the new persona of Alucard to distance himself from his old self.
That's exactly why, in my previous response, I pointed out this exact same thing. It's all about the symbolism of losing one's self. However, interpretation and symbolism are subjective. The fact that Trevor is Alucard is not. Just to clarify, I know that you know that Trevor is Alucard. The point I'm trying to make refers to the fact that Cox's failure of an evasion became sort of a "shield" of semantics used by people defending him.

Yes, it's semantics, but language is full of semantics. You can sit there and say "Cox is a liar" because Alucard used to be Trevor, and obviously he was being dodgy to avoid spoiling the twist, but there are philosophical grounds to the contrary, and plenty of movies/books/games play with it all the time. Also, getting upset about it is dumb. It's marketing, the whole point is to get you talking about it.
I'd call it "failure marketing". Indeed he got people talking. Talking trash. Getting upset because he spoiled the main selling point of his game is seriously dumb, but not for me. Makes people like me question his intelligence or greediness and carelessness. On my specific case, I have no doubt that Cox is an intelligent man, but I fear that he does not care so much for the game or the plot as to not spoil it. Like you said, he could have simply ignored the questions.

Also, Konami spoiled nothing. They revealed too much, maybe, but everyone figured out Trevor becomes Alucard on their own, and there was enough uncertainty that people were arguing that they were two distinct figures up until the very end.
People didn't figure it out of the blue, with zero spoilers at all. They figured it RIGHT when very revealing images of the twist, namely "Alucard", started appearing on the internet.
It's not like people had a magic ball and started asking. They started comparing promotional art released by Konami, with other plot points and characters released by Konami. So yes, Konami pretty much spoiled itself. Without any "obvious revealing", the fans would never, EVER guess Alucard's identity. Not until they started playing as Alucard, at least.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 17, 2013, 05:28:22 PM
a few of us here at the Dungeon were jokingly and mockingly throwing around the name "Alucard Belmont" well before MoF was even officially announced, lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 17, 2013, 05:31:59 PM
That's exactly why, in my previous response, I pointed out this exact same thing. It's all about the symbolism of losing one's self. However, interpretation and symbolism are subjective.  The fact that Trevor is Alucard is not. Just to clarify, I know that you know that Trevor is Alucard. The point I'm trying to make refers to the fact that Cox's failure of an evasion became sort of a "shield" of semantics used by people defending him.

Of course they're subjective. Language is all about perspective, which is why the question "Is Trevor Alucard?" can be answered "Yes" or "No". Yes, in the sense that Trevor becomes Alucard, no, in the sense that Trevor refers to the human Knight of the Brotherhood and Alucard refers to the vampire. It's all about perspective, and when dealing with PR, any socially normative context for perspective goes out the window.

I'd call it "failure marketing". Indeed he got people talking. Talking trash. Getting upset because he spoiled the main selling point of his game is seriously dumb, but not for me. Makes people like me question his intelligence or greediness and carelessness. On my specific case, I have no doubt that Cox is an intelligent man, but I fear that he does not care so much for the game or the plot as to not spoil it. Like you said, he could have simply ignored the questions

People didn't figure it out of the blue, with zero spoilers at all. They figured it RIGHT when very revealing images of the twist, namely "Alucard", started appearing on the internet.
It's not like people had a magic ball and started asking. They started comparing promotional art released by Konami, with other plot points and characters released by Konami. So yes, Konami pretty much spoiled itself. Without any "obvious revealing", the fans would never, EVER guess Alucard's identity. Not until they started playing as Alucard, at least.

Any press is good press, or so they say.

And you spend more than a third of the game playing as Alucard. They revealed him because he's a major selling point, and if all they did was put out a picture or two and a voice line, then I'd say Konami, and Cox by extension, played MoF's plot far closer to the vest than the vast majority of games that get released nowadays. You can call that a spoiler if you like, but it just looks like advertising to me.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on December 17, 2013, 07:10:23 PM
a few of us here at the Dungeon were jokingly and mockingly throwing around the name "Alucard Belmont" well before MoF was even officially announced, lol

Dungeonites can predict the future. hehehe.  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 17, 2013, 07:43:47 PM
It's not a lie at all. Alucard himself even agrees.

"Trevor died a long time ago father. I am Alucard."
Yeah, and I'm Jerry Cougar Mellencamp.

1
:  to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2
:  to create a false or misleading impression

... yeah.
Yup, pretty much! A lie, by any other name.... is a LIE!  ;D People could spin the rhetoric anyway they want, it's still a lie.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 18, 2013, 06:04:24 AM
Cox said we would get a new trailer around New Year, and that we would get more than a/one trailer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on December 18, 2013, 06:08:21 AM
The way I see it, this can go round and round in circles until the cows come home.  ON one hand, Cox sort of lied.  On the other, he didn't.  People change, and can figuratively be very different people to who they used to be.  It's like in The Hobbit, when Bilbo asks Gandalf whether he will come back (from the quest), Gandalf replies "No, but if you do, you won't be the same.".  It's the same here.  Alucard *used* to be Trevor, just as Dracul was once Gabriel Belmont.  They're very different now to who they used to be when they were alive.  Alucard, when he woke, had an amount of amnesia, and had forgotten a lot of his old abilities. 
  I agree that yeah, Cox was using marketting PR tactics.  That's nothing new at all, and it doesn't make him a big bad who should be hunted down with pitchforks.  However, he wasn't 100% out and out lying.
  Also, Alucard doesn't wear the same gear as he did as Trevor - that gear can be seen in the library, up in the chapel-like room by where his battle cross was kept. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on December 18, 2013, 10:17:29 AM
Why is this such an issue.

let's just enjoy videogames and stop arguing semantics over language and wording Jesus
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 18, 2013, 12:25:44 PM
b/c we're all nerds and that's what nerds do; debate argue & insult each other & the creators over plot details such as these. we can't always talk about gameplay.. Embrace it  : )

In los1 previews cox said he hated qte's yet they're cluttered in the game. He's a liar
I remember IGA saying in CoD previews that Trevor being a playable character was "too predictable" and for the fans to keep guessing. He lied there too


I hope the new trailer or whatever is a Victor-based one. Show us what's happening through Vichiter's perspective. prunyuu~
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on December 18, 2013, 12:54:00 PM
Some box art news, and this time it's straight from Konami:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/12/18/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-box-art-revealed (http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/12/18/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-box-art-revealed)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 18, 2013, 02:57:28 PM
i was watching the Simpsons as it was in the 90s i dont like this new age stuff i feel like it has lost it's edge but that should be expected for a series that has been on the air for as long as it has but anyway I recall the old when Homer was invited to house sit for Mr. Burns in Pennsylvania well anyway Bart stumbles upon the crypt in the dungeon and discovers that Mr. Burns is actually an ancient vampire from Plataea not unlike or really Count Orlock from Nosferatu I watch that film the other night I enjoyed it but i feel i mite watched it again but Mr. Burns proceeds to transform everyone except for Lisa but at the end she discovers that it was actually Marge who is the head queen vampire which remembered me of Carmilla but we dont see what happens next actually I believe they call a truce since they stop and start to sing Hark the Herald Angels Sing in classic Peanuts fasion

I guess what I'm trying to say is, they perhaps unintentionally threw in a shoutout to Castlevania 1's boxart when they put this image in which i thought was pretty phat

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled-5.png&hash=4135e79c5b0e1a80f3bdac9007d89455)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: PFG9000 on December 18, 2013, 03:29:37 PM
i was watching the Simpsons as it was in the 90s i dont like this new age stuff i feel like it has lost it's edge but that should be expected for a series that has been on the air for as long as it has but anyway I recall the old when Homer was invited to house sit for Mr. Burns in Pennsylvania well anyway Bart stumbles upon the crypt in the dungeon and discovers that Mr. Burns is actually an ancient vampire from Plataea not unlike or really Count Orlock from Nosferatu I watch that film the other night I enjoyed it but i feel i mite watched it again but Mr. Burns proceeds to transform everyone except for Lisa but at the end she discovers that it was actually Marge who is the head queen vampire which remembered me of Carmilla but we dont see what happens next actually I believe they call a truce since they stop and start to sing Hark the Herald Angels Sing in classic Peanuts fasion

I lol'd.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 18, 2013, 04:12:59 PM
Are angels or archangels appearing in LOS2? As friends or foes? Could be interesting
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 18, 2013, 05:05:59 PM
It's from the 1992 Francis Ford Coppola film, "Dracula"

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on December 18, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
It's from the 1992 Francis Ford Coppola film, "Dracula"

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Reminds me the Beginnig of the Mountain Fortress...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 19, 2013, 02:59:28 AM
I still wonder who the final boss will be in this game. At first I thought it might be Zobek. Like you defeat Satan and all and since his worst rival is no danger any longer Zobek can now try to rule. However, after these informations about the game got leaked I doubt it. I still think that Zobek will be a boss in this game (also having a Death form) but I doubt he's going to be the final boss.
I also doubt that Satan will be the final boss as he already has played this role in LOS 1. I assume one of the following ideas:
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So even though it certainly has been discussed somehwere among the 300 pages of this thread, who do you think will end up being the final boss? What do you think of these two theories that I have listed here?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on December 19, 2013, 05:51:50 AM

who do you think will end up being the final boss?

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Post by: e105beta on December 19, 2013, 08:19:39 AM
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 19, 2013, 08:54:18 AM
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 19, 2013, 09:14:41 AM
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 19, 2013, 09:27:21 AM
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To avoid major spoilers about a possible leak.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 19, 2013, 09:49:04 AM
To avoid major spoilers about a possible leak.

Oh. I was under the assumption that stuff was already known by people. My mistake.

Carry on. *strolls along*
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Post by: Intersection on December 19, 2013, 10:02:53 AM
I guess I'll have to follow suit with the "spoiler" trend...

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Post by: e105beta on December 19, 2013, 10:14:06 AM
I guess I'll have to follow suit with the "spoiler" trend...

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Post by: crisis on December 19, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
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but as always, ignorance will always prevail so might as well keep using the spoiler tag amirite
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 19, 2013, 10:41:25 AM
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but as always, ignorance will always prevail so might as well keep using the spoiler tag amirite

I am a bit careful on that front though. I was once banned from GameFAQ, because I emntioned that Nito was a Boss in Dark Souls, after I have watched a stream of said game one day before its official release.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 19, 2013, 11:40:44 AM
So even though it certainly has been discussed somehwere among the 300 pages of this thread, who do you think will end up being the final boss? What do you think of these two theories that I have listed here?

Dudes... I don't know about you, but I want the LoS trilogy to tie in with the classic timeline so damn much. I wished it pulled of a plot twist of GIGANTIC proportions that would scream "TAKE THAT!" to every fan's face, confirming in the end that this game was supposed to be canon all along... I have no idea how they would do it, though, but I have a feeling that the "final boss" would be the perfect place...

Now, about the question:
I do not really think Satan will be the ultimate boss of ultimate destiny. I mean, we are all expecting him to be, but there is something else going on, which I cannot quite place my finger on... Like, remember how Zobek was manipulated by Satan? What if Satan turns out to be also manipulated by someone in the end, who was mentioned on the story since the very beginning and we didn't even pay attention?

Like... Rinaldo Gandolfi?

Oh well, one can dream xD
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 19, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
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Dudes... I don't know about you, but I want the LoS trilogy to tie in with the classic timeline so damn much. I wished it pulled of a plot twist of GIGANTIC proportions that would scream "TAKE THAT!" to every fan's face, confirming in the end that this game was supposed to be canon all along... I have no idea how they would do it, though, but I have a feeling that the "final boss" would be the perfect place...

I too have theorized similarly, and the only outcome I can think of is that the only way Dracula can prevent Satan from prevailing, he uses the time machine that's in the castle (recall the "Reverie" DLC) to travel back and somehow prevent either himself from falling to the dark side, or saving Carmilla Zobek & Cornell, thus altering history and allowing for the "canon" timeline to occur. I don't know.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 19, 2013, 12:06:14 PM
I too have theorized similarly, and the only outcome I can think of is that the only way Dracula can prevent Satan from prevailing, he uses the time machine that's in the castle (recall the "Reverie" DLC) to travel back and somehow prevent either himself from falling to the dark side, or saving Carmilla Zobek & Cornell, thus altering history and allowing for the "canon" timeline to occur. I don't know.

I love the idea of tying the canons together (though I'd prefer they didn't), but man... Every time I see the words "time machine" thrown in, it always sounds so silly. And this is really a bummer for me, because I really like time travel plots (Legacy of Kain, for example).

Unless the plot initially involved time travel, it's very hard to actually make it sensible, and just... not silly.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 19, 2013, 12:21:15 PM
I love the idea of tying the canons together (though I'd prefer they didn't), but man... Every time I see the words "time machine" thrown in, it always sounds so silly. And this is really a bummer for me, because I really like time travel plots (Legacy of Kain, for example).

Unless the plot initially involved time travel, it's very hard to actually make it sensible, and just... not silly.

Well, I will hypothesize.

Imagine that at the end of Lords of Shadow 2, Gabriel the Dracul becomes an even greater evil than Satan, threatening destroy the world effectivelly. Then a time traveller or some other sort of time manipulator (Hell, this could be Trevucard himself, wanting to give his father and himself a new destiny after happening upon Frankenstein's hidden Time Machine!) is sent back in time to prevent that Gabriel is ever abandoned as a bastard from the Cronqvist family, in hopes to avert his whole destiny (and even Zobek's own plans). By not being abandoned, Gabriel Cronqvist does not become Dracul, but his son in this new timeline, Mathias, becomes Dracula.

I do not know how the rest would unfold, however. I think that for a time-travel plot tieing to the canon to really work, the time-traveller/manipulator would have to go even farther and prevent that the Brotherhood  is even formed, maybe by killing Zobek while he is wearing the Death Mask (Which would effectivelly make him the final boss, and defeating him would make the Death Mask give rise to his soul becoming the canon Death, whose purpose is to serve the Dark Lord, also justifying Death's apparent hatred for time travellers), so the Lords of Shadow are never even born, as they are the whole reason as to why Gabriel/Dracul even exists.

If this happened and the Dark Lord Carmilla never existed, then the Bernhardts would not be driven out of their castle by her, leading to Walter becoming the Dark Lord and kidnapping Rinaldo's daughter, sending him in his quest to defeat Walter (LoS make it clear that this same thing happened in it's timeline, around Gabriel's time). An older Gabriel would give birth to Mathias Cronqvist in time for him to become a Knight (Remember the dates. Lords of Shadow is 1047, and Lament of Innocence is 1096. The dates do match) and Rinaldo to be stranded in the forest for a long period, and then the rest would unfold as it did.

Let's not forget that, somewhere inside Berhardt Castle, there IS a time machine constructed by Frankenstein, that was mentioned since the very beginning. If they decided to use it, they'd not be pulling it out of their asses to make it work.

I'm starting to think too much here xD
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 19, 2013, 12:24:40 PM
If they don't allow me to punch Zobek in the balls I'll ask for a refund. What a bastard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 19, 2013, 12:26:49 PM
Well, I will hypothesize.

Imagine that at the end of Lords of Shadow 2, Gabriel the Dracul becomes an even greater evil than Satan, threatening destroy the world effectivelly. Then a time traveller or some other sort of time manipulator(Hell, this could be Trevucard himself, wanting to give his father and himself a new destiny!) is sent back in time to prevent that Gabriel is ever abandoned as a bastard from the Cronqvist family, in hopes to avert his whole destiny (and even Zobek's own plans). By not being abandoned, Gabriel Cronqvist does not become Dracul, but his son in this new timeline, Mathias, becomes Dracula, and the rest is history.

I do not know how the rest would unfold, however. I think that for a time-travel plot tieing to the canon to really work, the time-traveller/manipulator would have to go even farther and prevent that the Brotherhood is even formed, so the Lords of Shadow are never even born, as they are the whole reason as to why Gabriel/Dracula even exists.

Let's not forget that, somewhere inside Berhardt Castle, there IS a time machine constructed by Frankenstein.

This makes almost the whole plot of LoS completely meaningless, though. All of this happens, and is just effectively undone and never wound up happening.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on December 19, 2013, 12:28:47 PM
Why don't we keep Lords of Shadow in its own universe? It was never meant to be "canon", and I'm not too keen on seeing another convoluted plot twist try to take us back where IGA left off. Besides, I don't think MercurySteam would love to see its very own brainchild of a series essentially act as a massive prequel to a continuity from which it intentionally tried to distance itself.

Like, remember how Zobek was manipulated by Satan? What if Satan turns out to be also manipulated by someone in the end, who was mentioned on the story since the very beginning and we didn't even pay attention?

Like... Rinaldo Gandolfi?

Oh well, one can dream xD
Well, past Satan, I'm not sure how much more manipulative you can get...  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 19, 2013, 12:31:03 PM
This makes almost the whole plot of LoS completely meaningless, though. All of this happens, and is just effectively undone and never wound up happening.

Just to clarify, I edited a little more up there.

About this point, well... You can view it like this, or you can view that the whole plot of canon Castlevania happened because Lords of Shadow happened. If it hadn't happened, then the whole time travelling would never happen. If something like this makes it's way into the game, then the whole plot of Lords of Shadow would have truly explained why does Death exist, why does Mathias become Dracula ("fate", if you will) and it could strenghten the "need for a Dark Lord" idea. Not even erasing a whole timeline could Dracula be effectivelly be averted, because fate calls for a dark lord. Maybe this could even build up to the final destruction of Dracula.

I always found it weird how Gabriel is referred to as "Dracul" and not "Dracula". In real life, "Dracul" was the title of the father of Dracula.

Why don't we keep Lords of Shadow in its own universe? It was never meant to be "canon", and I'm not too keen on seeing another convoluted plot twist try to take us back where IGA left off. Besides, I don't think MercurySteam would love to see its very own brainchild of a series essentially act as a massive prequel to a continuity from which it intentionally tried to distance itself.
Well, past Satan, I'm not sure how much more manipulative you can get...  ;D

That's the whole point of my hypothesis. Maybe they never intended to distantiate themselves from the canon in the sense of being a "side-story in a parallel universe". Maybe they tried to distantiate themselves (by making a whole lot of things different) intentionally so to not give away the core plot twist that lies in the end of the road. Remember how Cox is always telling us how he wants to tell the origins of Dracula? He kind of ignores that this was already done. Why is that?

Also, why would they not like to make their own child as the true valid prequel for the series they proclaim to love so much? If I were to write something that could twist a plot THIS much, I would be pretty happy with myself.

Remember, this is only an hypothesis. I HIGHLY doubt he will do anything with even a semblance to what I said, but whatever...
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Post by: Inccubus on December 19, 2013, 12:36:01 PM
Well, I will hypothesize.

Imagine that at the end of Lords of Shadow 2, Gabriel the Dracul becomes an even greater evil than Satan, threatening destroy the world effectivelly. Then a time traveller or some other sort of time manipulator(Hell, this could be Trevucard himself, wanting to give his father and himself a new destiny!) is sent back in time to prevent that Gabriel is ever abandoned as a bastard from the Cronqvist family, in hopes to avert his whole destiny (and even Zobek's own plans). By not being abandoned, Gabriel Cronqvist does not become Dracul, but his son in this new timeline, Mathias, becomes Dracula, and the rest is history.

I do not know how the rest would unfold, however. I think that for a time-travel plot tieing to the canon to really work, the time-traveller/manipulator would have to go even farther and prevent that the Brotherhood is even formed, so the Lords of Shadow are never even born, as they are the whole reason as to why Gabriel/Dracula even exists.

If this happened, the Bernhardts would not be driven out of their castle by Carmilla, leading to Walter becoming the Dark Lord (And turning Frankenstein into the vampoire joachim, maybe?). Gabriel would have Mathias in time for him to become a Knight (Remember the dates. Lords of Shadow is 1047, and Lament of Innocence is 1096. The dates do match), and then the rest would unfold as it did.

Let's not forget that, somewhere inside Berhardt Castle, there IS a time machine constructed by Frankenstein.

I'm starting to think too much here xD

Yeah... at that point they would have effectively ripped off the entire plot of Legacy of Kain.
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Post by: theplottwist on December 19, 2013, 12:42:26 PM
Please someone delete this post.

I get really confused with the buttons sometimes u_U

Also, I edited the hypothesis again. Sorry, but I go fixing as I read it again after posting. My one bad habit...
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 19, 2013, 12:44:50 PM
Yeah... at that point they would have effectively ripped off the entire plot of Legacy of Kain.
Well if they rip off the best story in the videogame medium I won't get mad.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 19, 2013, 01:11:43 PM
Heh, also I've got a few other theories based on screenshots.
Remember this beast?
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-KbxYZyelRJk%2FUehWH65hpvI%2FAAAAAAAAqXg%2FhER2jk-9Y58%2Fs1600%2FBehold-a-daughter-of-Satan.jpg&hash=3f7f7c16d9d4fd3592e815a3bf60da71)
Look at its face and now compare it to the face(s) of the Gorgon Titan:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.play3.de%2Fwp-content%2Fgallery%2Fcastlevania-lords-of-shadow-2%2Fcvlos2_climbing-the-gorgon.jpg&hash=5f98ca4078fb9b49822b66dc8bff81bc)
The Gorgon Titan is the result of a Fusion of all three Gorgon Sisters. I suppose that said creature in the first Picture is one of the three sisters.

Also look at this enemy:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbase.ch%2Fuploads%2Fci%2Fshots%2FCastlevania---Lords-of-Shadow-2_b_135343.jpg&hash=79a62eefb56ef37d13a53974c06a1baf)
I think that it is going to be the Toy Maker Boss battle. Look at the face of this creature. It's got the same facial Features as the Toy Maker. I guess he is Controlling this machine. Because let us be honest: Looking at the toy Maker I guess he couldn't stand a single Chance if he would fight Gabriel in his normal form as a human. 
Speaking of the Toy Maker I think that somehow his curse got lifted and he became human again. Now he seeks revenge and wants to kill Gabriel who misused his services to create evil machines.
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Post by: crisis on December 19, 2013, 02:17:58 PM
Aside from time travelling, another unique way they could tie the timelines together is if they include St. Germain somewhere in the plot in LoS2. No, not their version of St. Germain. The same St. Germain as seen in Curse of Darkness. Have him in a similar role; a guide that can "observe, but not interfere." It would be cool fanservice, and just enough of a *winkwinknudgenudge* that despite being separate timelines/universes, there's still a single universal power watching over everything.

Compare it to Marvel comics: There's a character/entity known as the "Living Tribunal." Those familiar with comic books in general should know that there are several "alternate universes," parallel dimensions with varying outcomes (essentially why you see different "versions" of the same hero in many comic series). The Living Tribunal, however, remains unchanged; The Living Tribunal is a virtually omnipotent entity that oversees and maintains balance in the realities that constitute the Marvel Comics Multiverse, including the mainstream universe and ALL alternate universes/realities. Essentially, he/it has no counterparts as he is nigh omnipresent and thus simultaneously exists in all realities and time periods (but no, he/it IS NOT "God." The Living Tribunal is only surpassed by "The One Above All," which is essentially the "God" of the entire Marvel Universe). St. Germain can be something similar, coexisting in both the LoS-verse and the Akumajo Dracula-verse.

Just a thought
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 19, 2013, 04:08:30 PM
I think just a namedropping in a scroll or some painting is enough, Saint German design just doesn't fit the LoS universe.
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on December 19, 2013, 04:34:54 PM
Well, I will hypothesize.

Imagine that at the end of Lords of Shadow 2, Gabriel the Dracul becomes an even greater evil than Satan, threatening destroy the world effectivelly. Then a time traveller or some other sort of time manipulator (Hell, this could be Trevucard himself, wanting to give his father and himself a new destiny after happening upon Frankenstein's hidden Time Machine!) is sent back in time to prevent that Gabriel is ever abandoned as a bastard from the Cronqvist family, in hopes to avert his whole destiny (and even Zobek's own plans). By not being abandoned, Gabriel Cronqvist does not become Dracul, but his son in this new timeline, Mathias, becomes Dracula.

I do not know how the rest would unfold, however. I think that for a time-travel plot tieing to the canon to really work, the time-traveller/manipulator would have to go even farther and prevent that the Brotherhood  is even formed, maybe by killing Zobek while he is wearing the Death Mask (Which would effectivelly make him the final boss, and defeating him would make the Death Mask give rise to his soul becoming the canon Death, whose purpose is to serve the Dark Lord, also justifying Death's apparent hatred for time travellers), so the Lords of Shadow are never even born, as they are the whole reason as to why Gabriel/Dracul even exists.

If this happened and the Dark Lord Carmilla never existed, then the Bernhardts would not be driven out of their castle by her, leading to Walter becoming the Dark Lord and kidnapping Rinaldo's daughter, sending him in his quest to defeat Walter (LoS make it clear that this same thing happened in it's timeline, around Gabriel's time). An older Gabriel would give birth to Mathias Cronqvist in time for him to become a Knight (Remember the dates. Lords of Shadow is 1047, and Lament of Innocence is 1096. The dates do match) and Rinaldo to be stranded in the forest for a long period, and then the rest would unfold as it did.

Let's not forget that, somewhere inside Berhardt Castle, there IS a time machine constructed by Frankenstein, that was mentioned since the very beginning. If they decided to use it, they'd not be pulling it out of their asses to make it work.

I'm starting to think too much here xD

All this, except change "time-traveler" to Solid Snake and add the words Time Paradox...
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Post by: crisis on December 19, 2013, 04:38:36 PM
"design just doesn't fit the LoS universe"

That's the whole point. His design didn't fit 15th century Romania, either. That's what's ironic about him; he's out of place, outside of time. He would just be a tool for them to use IF they wanted something to bridge the two timelines, without using a time machine. Just another alternative from the other theories that were posted.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on December 19, 2013, 05:09:12 PM
I agree with Crisis. Saint Germain being in the game would be a cool way to link them together. Time machines are silly.
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Post by: beingthehero on December 19, 2013, 05:12:17 PM
To be honest I thought giant mechs would be out of place in this universe as well but look where we're at now
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 19, 2013, 05:29:52 PM
I don't think the timelines should be connected nor do I want them to be. Why do people insist that there be a connection between the two!!!?

Here's what I think should happen: After defeating Satan at the end of the game, Gabriel splits into two entities; himself as Dracula and himself as he was just before he fought Satan in LoS1. The human Gabriel would be the final boss. This is where I think two things can happen: 1) you win and the game ends with a cutscene followed by the credits, 2) there are 2 alternate endings; a. if you win the battle, the world is plunged into darkness with Gabriel (Dracula) ruling the world; b. if you lose, Gabriel (human) ascends to heaven where he can be with Marie forever.
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Post by: Flame on December 19, 2013, 05:53:33 PM
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I always found it weird how Gabriel is referred to as "Dracul" and not "Dracula". In real life, "Dracul" was the title of the father of Dracula.
because there was no father. It's a problem wothj classic Dracula when he became mathias. If he's the SON of the Dragon, who's the dragon?

Gabe meanwhile, says he IS the dragon. So he's Dracul. If anything, Trevor is technically Dracula.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 19, 2013, 06:05:39 PM
because there was no father. It's a problem wothj classic Dracula when he became mathias. If he's the SON of the Dragon, who's the dragon?

Gabe meanwhile, says he IS the dragon. So he's Dracul. If anything, Trevor is technically Dracula.
Not everyone knows that Dracul means dragon and that Dracula means son of the dragon in Romanian. I just learned that a year or so ago. Perhaps IGA didn't know that when he came up with the Mathias thing. Or, he didn't care. After all, story always came second to gameplay for IGA. I remember he admitted it at least once.

As far as Mercurystream is concerned, who knows. Gabriel actually calls himself Dracul not Dracula, but every where else in the game refers to him as Dracula. I wonder why that is.
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Post by: theplottwist on December 19, 2013, 06:06:12 PM
I don't think the timelines should be connected nor do I want them to be. Why do people insist that there be a connection between the two!!!?

You mean like, beyond all the references made in the games, with character names, item names, enemies, plotlines and what not?

To be completelly honest, as much as I'd have orgasms if the timelines turned out to be one and the same, I doubt it'll happen. People (like myself) insist on it because all the uproar caused by this reboot would turn out to be unfounded, and the whole thing would give us a completelly new perspective to the story, and maybe give it new life to continue the main plotline. Everyone wished that the canon Castlevania timeline received a breath of fresh air, instead they gave us a completelly different game (That IS good, IMO) with the name "Castlevania" slapped on the title, and a bunch of references that would make no difference if given another name (Rename "Veros Woods" to "Dead Forest" or rename Olrox and Brauner to "Vampire Lieutenant" and "Vampire General" and tell me what difference does it make?). We all know that LoS was developed and marketed to players of the new generation. Imagine if it turned out to be an awesome gambit to make the new audiences start seeking the classic games through a plot twist of sorts, while also opening way for new games to come following the old timeline, now with LoS details added to the mix?

That's be BEAST.

The thing is that we want the old Castlevania to be fixed on where it was not so good, and to evolve. Lords of Shadow brought this hope and quickly whisked it away from us. Deep inside, we all wished that LoS was canon, but it isn't, and we keep on wishing that something will make it canon.
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Post by: theplottwist on December 19, 2013, 06:11:19 PM
because there was no father. It's a problem wothj classic Dracula when he became mathias. If he's the SON of the Dragon, who's the dragon?

Gabe meanwhile, says he IS the dragon. So he's Dracul. If anything, Trevor is technically Dracula.

What I meant in my hypothesis is that, Gabriel being "Dracul" is a sort of a curse calling for a Dark Lord to rise. Following the hypothesis, Mathias would be Gabriel's (now rid of said curse) son, and thus this curse of "need for a dark lord" would skip a generation. With Gabriel now free and out of question, who becomes the Dark Lord? Mathias. And he chooses to take the name of "Dracula"  unwittingly that his father was indeed "Dracul", as if fate itself is trying to set things in place. Gabriel, of course, would not be evil here, but the symbolism would exist. Gabriel was the first cursed, so he's "Dracul". With his fate averted by the time-travel-thingie and having his curse now removed, the whole tragic story would catch on with his hypothetic son, as if fate is trying to weave the same story again, and ultimatelly turn him into "Dracula".
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Post by: crisis on December 19, 2013, 06:14:13 PM
I think it could just be chalked up to Mathias idolizing dragons for their furosity and power. After he became vampire, he started to worship evil, and the dragon is the iconic image of evil. So he's "son of the dragon." Lets not forget that he didn't just change it to Dracula, he changed it to "Vlad Tepes Dracula," not even Gabriel was creative enough to use the full name lol


It's also weird how DraculaDracul renames Trevor "ALUCARD" instead of calling him Dracula. From a storyline-perspective, that doesn't really make any sense if you think about it.
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Post by: theplottwist on December 19, 2013, 06:21:01 PM
"design just doesn't fit the LoS universe"

That's the whole point. His design didn't fit 15th century Romania, either. That's what's ironic about him; he's out of place, outside of time. He would just be a tool for them to use IF they wanted something to bridge the two timelines, without using a time machine. Just another alternative from the other theories that were posted.

Also, following your St. Germain idea... What if the Time Travelling device turned out to be the "Stop Watch" subweapon, designed by Frankestein? Isn't it funny that the Stop Watch did not appear in the LoS saga? Also, Frankenstein was heavily associated with the Bernhardt Castle's Clock Tower. What if the time travelling device is NOT an humongous machine, but a simple Stop Watch?
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 19, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
A Isn't it funny that the Stop Watch did not appear in the LoS saga?
It does. It's part of the new batch of information.

I for one don't like the mixing of series, because it undermines the LoS one (it was all for nothing).
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Post by: EstebanT on December 19, 2013, 07:21:01 PM
It does. It's part of the new batch of information.

So if that one counts,
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Post by: theplottwist on December 19, 2013, 07:39:08 PM
It does. It's part of the new batch of information.

I for one don't like the mixing of series, because it undermines the LoS one (it was all for nothing).

About the Stopwatch, I was mostly speaking about it's non-appearance on previous games. I'm unaware if it'll appear or not.

Well following this logic, every Castlevania game undermines the previous one then, because every Belmont's struggle was for nothing. Alucard's exploits on SotN was for nothing. John and Eric, nothing. Simon? Nothing. Trevor and Trio? Nothing. Even on LoS itself. Gabriel's whole ordeal was for nothing. Literally. Then Trevucard and Simon, also nothing. Trevucard will even get this new game as a chance, but still...

See? It's not about being "all for nothing". It is NOT nothing. The whole thing had to happen so the other thing can happen. If the first thing never happened, then we do not get the next thing. One thing is the product of the other.

Suppose Gabriel follows this path and time-travel and yadda yadda... What is that Gabriel seeks? To be relieved of his immortal life. Would not it be a beautiful closure to his cycle of suffering? To be reborn and live a joyful life, instead of losing everything he had?

Also, people. Nudge me if I'm derailing the topic... It's not my intention to break any rules...
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 19, 2013, 07:57:22 PM
Well following this logic, every Castlevania game undermines the previous one then, because every Belmont's struggle was for nothing.
That's why the old timeline was so terrible. It had no direction, no goal, no character arc, nothing, it was the same thing over and over again randomly put in time. That's where my fondness of the separation of universes come from.
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Post by: Melanicus on December 19, 2013, 08:56:13 PM
As far as Mercurystream is concerned, who knows. Gabriel actually calls himself Dracul not Dracula, but every where else in the game refers to him as Dracula. I wonder why that is.

Cox explained it once as something like this: "The Dragon" is supposed to be the ultimate evil, which Gabriel views himself as. Others view Satan as the ultimate evil, and Gabriel as a lesser one. I think "Dracula" fits because Gabriel-as-Dracula is in a metaphorical sense the son of Satan--he became what he became because of Satan and his machinations.
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Post by: Flame on December 20, 2013, 12:28:46 AM
Not everyone knows that Dracul means dragon and that Dracula means son of the dragon in Romanian. I just learned that a year or so ago. Perhaps IGA didn't know that when he came up with the Mathias thing. Or, he didn't care. After all, story always came second to gameplay for IGA. I remember he admitted it at least once.

As far as Mercurystream is concerned, who knows. Gabriel actually calls himself Dracul not Dracula, but every where else in the game refers to him as Dracula. I wonder why that is.
think about it. To normal people, who is the Dragon? Satan. Gabe is almost as bad as Satan. So he gets called Son of the Dragon. IOW, son of the devil.

Gabe meanwhile, considers himself the dragon, the prince of darkness, since he defeated Satan 1 on 1.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 20, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Do you think that Satan will transform during the fight this time around? Or do ou think he will remain "human"?
If not, what do you believe will he look like in his transformed form? Will he be a dragon or more like a huge demon?
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 20, 2013, 10:20:45 AM
Let's just hope that if Satan is in "human form", this time he'll wear some clothes. Maybe he be in human form and when we beat him, we'll get a cutscene in which both he and Gabriel transform into dragons and do battle as such. Hell, if that happens perhaps we will get an all QTE battle as a dragon (which we'll not like much because we hate QTEs so much) against Satan as a dragon (I would simply prefer a cutscene).
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Post by: crisis on December 20, 2013, 10:35:47 AM
Mortal Kombat Annihilation Final Battle HD 1080p Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjDjkM2RPvA#ws)
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 20, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Well, I was thinking on a grander and more epic scale. Skyscrapers falling. streets getting torn up. humans trying to get away yet getting slaughtered. Etc.

That scene from Mortal Kombat Annihilation was crap (just like the rest of that movie).
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 20, 2013, 11:59:26 AM
because there was no father. It's a problem wothj classic Dracula when he became mathias. If he's the SON of the Dragon, who's the dragon?
The "Dragon", as far as Mathias was concerned, was the "Opposer of God", the Devil. IGA said he renamed himself specifically for that reason, saying Dracula's name to mean specifically "Son of the Devil" rather than "Son of the Dragon". Though the name as taken up both titles as far as history's concerned. And if you want to apply the "Son of the Dragon" title, with liberties, you can say that Walter Bernhard was the "Dragon"(his armor and his lair, Pagoda of the Misty Moon, has some dragon motif). Mathias literally becomes Walter's successor, thus becomes the "Son of the Dragon".

That's why the old timeline was so terrible. It had no direction, no goal, no character arc, nothing, it was the same thing over and over again randomly put in time. That's where my fondness of the separation of universes come from.
I don't see it as that. The repetition is not unlike other game series at the time. Evil always returns, which I always felt is symbolic. The Belmont's struggles is not for nothing. IF you want to look deeper into it, with Dracula representing the evils of man, it's a proper representation of the history of man. Fighting the good fight. There will always be evil in the world. There will always be hatred, murdering, tyranny, terrorism and violence, and when it gets out of control, there will always be those who stand up to quash it with hopes of restoring what little peace we once had, for how long or little we can retain it. That state of peace, if even if the dark forces of life rear their ugly heads again, is worth the fight, each and every time. It's the unending struggle. In CV, it eventually DOES end, but the road from it's proposed start to finish repeats. Evil ushers Dracula into the world, the heroes have to make their stand to stop his dark reign each and every time. No threat is minimal(at least IMO). All are world threatening and must be dealt with accordingly.
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Post by: EstebanT on December 20, 2013, 03:43:31 PM
Do you think that Satan will transform during the fight this time around? Or do ou think he will remain "human"?
If not, what do you believe will he look like in his transformed form? Will he be a dragon or more like a huge demon?

Well... I have an idea
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 20, 2013, 04:15:05 PM
I was hoping for more with the final battle in LoS.  I hope this time he does have a monstrous form.  I know it's cliched in video games but I love big boss battles.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 20, 2013, 05:16:45 PM
I was hoping for more with the final battle in LoS.  I hope this time he does have a monstrous form.  I know it's cliched in video games but I love big boss battles.
Screw the hate regarding cliche final boss transformations. I'm a sap for that kind of thing. It's kinda why I prefer some of the earlier Tales games. The big monstrous transformation into demi-god demons. Some of the remakes of, say Tales of Phantasia and Destiny completely redid the final battles and nixed the transformation and kept there more human forms. Even some of the more modern Tales games feature non-transformed human-like final bosses. Yawn!! Give me over-the-top demonic/angelic/mutant/alien transformations!!!! Keep 'em coming!!
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Post by: crisis on December 20, 2013, 06:44:05 PM
One of the most memorable final boss fights is Mundus from Devil May Cry 1

To be honest, Menace from Dawn of Sorrow could've been epic if
it utilized both the DS screens, he was certainly huge enough
had more ranged deadlier attacks
overall more difficulty
among other factors that could've made it a better fight. Excellent design, though
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Post by: Ahasverus on December 20, 2013, 07:08:43 PM
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Oh come on, that's the dept YOU give to it, the games never hinted at something like that, even Dracula is kinda amnesiac, pathetic, he's not consistent, the Belmonts are complete cardboard cuts, the closest the old series got to an emotional story was Ecclesia.
It was always "hurr bad guy durr good guy hurr oh noes this friend betrays me durrdurr die monster durrdurr why did I fail again doing eaxactly the same as the last 100 years hurrdurr evil never wins".
As i've always said, the old storyline means something due to the stuff we filled with our own imaginations, our own headcannon. The original one is terrible.
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Post by: The Puritan on December 20, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
Screw the hate regarding cliche final boss transformations. I'm a sap for that kind of thing. It's kinda why I prefer some of the earlier Tales games. The big monstrous transformation into demi-god demons. Some of the remakes of, say Tales of Phantasia and Destiny completely redid the final battles and nixed the transformation and kept there more human forms. Even some of the more modern Tales games feature non-transformed human-like final bosses. Yawn!! Give me over-the-top demonic/angelic/mutant/alien transformations!!!! Keep 'em coming!!

You must've loved Drac's SOTN and HOD final forms then. I know I did.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on December 20, 2013, 11:02:18 PM
As i've always said, the old storyline means something due to the stuff we filled with our own imaginations

You mean... we'd have to think for ourselves!? That everything isn't cut and dry? Fuck that noise!

...Srsly tho, I actually like some gaps that don't have an easy explanation. Sure, sometimes (okay, a lot of the time) it's due to incompetence or someone trying to pick up where someone else left off, not really knowing their original intentions, but the mystery is often half the fun.

For example, it used to drive me crazy that there was no explicit ties between the Mega Man Original and X series. But Keiji Inafune gave some insight on this that made me rethink my view of it:

"I get a lot of people asking me if Serges is Wily. I always give them the same answer, 'He might be... he might not be.' (laughs) I think this is one of those things that is best left without an official comment. As creators, one of the fun things we get to do is plant seeds of imagination in our players and let them come to their own conclusions."

This is also why the idea of an official Zelda timeline doesn't really interest me. The insane theories that people come up with about certain symbols are amazing sometimes, ie The Message Behind Majora's Mask:

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/the-message-of-majoras-mask/ (http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/the-message-of-majoras-mask/)

Maybe it's just because I was an English lit major, but I've become increasingly fond of things that require you to come up with an explanation rather than just handing it to you.

And all of this stuff is why I cringe at origin stories, such as Lament of Innocence. It's a great game, but I honestly never really wanted to know where Dracula "came from".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 21, 2013, 08:09:06 AM
You mean... we'd have to think for ourselves!? That everything isn't cut and dry? Fuck that noise!

We're defending bad writing now? I've seen it all.
No, we don't have to /think/ for ourselves, we have to fill all the gaps and plot holes the "writers" didn't give a fuck about in an effort to make a slightly coherent story. Slightly.
But I agree with you about the mistery, I always love me some mistery, as Chaos in the old series for example, or the breinhartds in the new one, things that are important but are not explained just add to their myth. We need more of those!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 21, 2013, 09:47:55 AM
What does anyone think about my post? Does it sound convincing or... Do I sound like a conspiracy theorist?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 21, 2013, 09:48:27 AM
Oh come on, that's the dept YOU give to it, the games never hinted at something like that, even Dracula is kinda amnesiac, pathetic, he's not consistent, the Belmonts are complete cardboard cuts, the closest the old series got to an emotional story was Ecclesia.
It was always "hurr bad guy durr good guy hurr oh noes this friend betrays me durrdurr die monster durrdurr why did I fail again doing eaxactly the same as the last 100 years hurrdurr evil never wins".
As i've always said, the old storyline means something due to the stuff we filled with our own imaginations, our own headcannon. The original one is terrible.
It's a passible saga, and I agree, the depth I gave it is my own, but unlike you, I hold no contempt for it's simplicity. It does what it sets off to accomplish to do, good versus evil, good prevails and evil is silenced until evil rears it's ugly head again. I sometimes prefer the simplicity over needless complication or the hur dur plot twists seen in the LoS series. And don't think I'm going easy on IGA's LoI, as I made it clear I would've had greater respect in the Mathias = Dracula thing if they didn't beat around the fuckin' bush and just made him "Vlad", focusing on "How Vlad became Dracula" rather than "Million dollar question: Dracula! Who is it gonna be?!" with the "I seen it coming from a mile away" twist that MS isn't above doing either(I personally hold more contempt for that type of lame ass sleight of hand than anything else, especially if you are trying to make something meaningful and fall back to such lame ass means of storytelling). There's nothing wrong with a good plot twist, but good is keyword here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 21, 2013, 10:48:38 AM
For some reason, I feel like the only guy who likes both means of storytelling in this franchise. I like both the simplistic stories of the original timeline, and the more "complex" stories of LoS. I've always been one to appreciate different takes on a franchise, which is one reason I like DmC so much.

Anyway, I think of the original timeline more in the vein of games like Ico and Shadow of the Colossus, as in they tell what they need to tell in the plot, and that's all. They use the environment and atmosphere to tell the story, not just dialog and voice-overs. And in the end, they leave much to the imagination, which is one of the enjoyable aspects of it.

And then the Lords of Shadow trilogy is more in the vein of games like Metal Gear and Legacy of Kain, being less subtle about trying to deliver an epic story. The atmosphere and environment sets the mood, but the story is more explicitly stated through dialog, narration, and voice-overs, and tries to deliver the complexity in a more in-your-face kind of way, rather than the vague and subtle way the original timeline did.

That's just my view on it, anyway. Don't think for a minute that I believe the original timeline was as well told as either of the Team ICO games. That's just how I view the way their plot works.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on December 21, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
We're defending bad writing now? I've seen it all.
No, we don't have to /think/ for ourselves, we have to fill all the gaps and plot holes the "writers" didn't give a fuck about in an effort to make a slightly coherent story. Slightly.

But I agree with you about the mistery, I always love me some mistery, as Chaos in the old series for example, or the breinhartds in the new one, things that are important but are not explained just add to their myth. We need more of those!

Which is why I said: "sometimes (okay, a lot of the time) it's due to incompetence or someone trying to pick up where someone else left off, not really knowing their original intentions".

It's not a great thing to have to do, and no, none of the Castlevanias really have great stories... but I've found that your own theories about stuff are often more fun that what the developer actually says.

I do like bits and pieces of the explanations they've given in LoS. I like that Dracula and Death have a more tumultuous relationship, and the explanation for the castle being so gigantic and labyrinthine. The plot of the first game also gave me a smile because it's pretty similar to what happens in Ghouls and Ghosts (guy has to save girl's and other peoples souls because of a dick move by Satan or other demonic guy). It's also fun to have God set up as an almost "trickster" kind of character, basically leading Gabriel on to mop shit up and then leave him to dry. Definitely an Old Testament kind of thing to do.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DraculaFan1981 on December 21, 2013, 01:31:55 PM
We're defending bad writing now? I've seen it all.
No, we don't have to /think/ for ourselves, we have to fill all the gaps and plot holes the "writers" didn't give a fuck about in an effort to make a slightly coherent story. Slightly.
But I agree with you about the mistery, I always love me some mistery, as Chaos in the old series for example, or the breinhartds in the new one, things that are important but are not explained just add to their myth. We need more of those!

And so? Not everyone is looking for the blockbuster experience and some literary gem. A story doesn't have to be explained to death to be good and a certain degree of your own thought is what makes some stories interesting. Not everyone wants their hand held through the entire story. Newer games come along to explain or debunk certain plot holes and if you actually pay attention, it's actually quite decent.

Portrait of Ruin speaks of a prophecy, Wind explicitly stated that the Belmont clan is not to touch the Vampire Killer until 1999, so we have their disappearance in Order of Ecclesia and the Morris Clan as well as Reinhardt Schneider (who has some Bemont blood) and then we have Curse of Darkness fleshing out how it is humanity's evil that is one of Dracula's main sources of power. So no, it's not bad writing, it just requires a lot more attention and connecting the dots. Seriously, this west is best thing gets old, and I've seen thr DMC forums.

Don't get me wrong, I love LoS, I just think that it doesn't take much to understand it and to me, that's a little boring.

People like Munchy and Dragonslayr81 know what their talking about when it comes to the plot of the original series.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 21, 2013, 02:07:07 PM
And so? Not everyone is looking for the blockbuster experience and some literary gem. A story doesn't have to be explained to death to be good and a certain degree of your own thought is what makes some stories interesting. Not everyone wants their hand held through the entire story. Newer games come along to explain or debunk certain plot holes and if you actually pay attention, it's actually quite decent.
You can have both, and hey, there have been like what, 30 games in the old fashion way? It's nice to see a refreshing of things. I for the love of this fanbase hope with all my heart Konami doesn't abandon the traidional 2D series with no plot and keep making the big blockbuster ones, it's not that I don't like the former, it's that I'd hate for they to replace the latter, buit I'm sure there are people who think the opposite. That's why I hope the old way is not abandoned, there's MONEY to be made, Konami, think about it! (and I know you're watching)
And it's not about the west/east, the only great story I can say west has made in the medium is Legacy of Kain, the other best ones have been japanese.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 21, 2013, 02:17:37 PM
We're defending bad writing now? I've seen it all.
What I wanna ask you is that if you consider mechs on pre medieval times, time machines and mechanical scorpions when no modern electricity-manipulation devices existed (much less AI programming, genetic engineering and time experiments), plot-coupon hunting, oversure of "The World is Brown", excessive out-of-context original-content referencing and predictable plot-twists, a "good writting".

Mind you that I'm not implying anything. This is a legitimate question.
Also mind you that I am aware that the old Castlevanias had elements like I mentioned. But they were a lot more "cynical", as a way of speaking, about them, which made things quite interesting, IMO.

No, we don't have to /think/ for ourselves, we have to fill all the gaps and plot holes the "writers" didn't give a fuck about in an effort to make a slightly coherent story. Slightly.
But I agree with you about the mistery, I always love me some mistery, as Chaos in the old series for example, or the breinhartds in the new one, things that are important but are not explained just add to their myth. We need more of those!

Yes we DO have to think for ourselves for a good story to work. If an author never leaves something to your mind, then there is no use to imagination. Be they plot holes or gaps, or not. The "filling in" MUST exist.

In the case of old Castlevanias, I agree 100% that the "space left for us to think" is only there due to a trainwreck of a development, BUT this is extremelly healthy to the series, and today it is done most likely intentionally for this exact purpose. Players like to hypothesize, to get curious, to explore. When you leave nothing to their minds, what is there to see? Nothing but a bland and forgettable story.

The mistery is important, like you said, VERY important, but so is the *lack* of explanation with no contradiction. No explanation is better than the wrong explanation, and the classic games did it very well, in many points (read well: many points, not all points).

The story of Castlevania is not about the ending/conclusion since CVIII. It is about the way to get there. The most memorable characters (Shanoa, Trevor, Alucard) did not become memorable because "final boss". They became memorable because of the story told between "X character enters castle" and "X character kicks Dracula's ass", and the spaces left for us to wonder.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 21, 2013, 03:55:36 PM
I'll agree to disagree then, as I don't share any of your points of view, I don't see an intriguing open ended narrative, I only see a disjointed mess.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 21, 2013, 05:30:51 PM
Screw you guys, I'm going home!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw#)

and thus this debate has ended. good points made on both sides though


In regards to Zobech:
The only thing I regret is the "backstory" they gave him. I don't mind him being Lord of the Dead/Necromancers, I just don't like the fact that they made Death a human before he became "Death." I would've instead rather the man named "Zobek" being Death's facade or avatar, similar to the Zead/Death situation in CoD. I know this is subjective, but I like the idea of Death in Castlevania being an ageless, mysterious entity; he simply is, always has, and always will be.

But then there are those that will argue how Death isn't really "Grim Reaper Death," just one of many Shinigami or "Death Gods." Eh, whatever. Like I said, just give me ageless skeleton-in-cloak wielding scythe, using "human form" to walk amongst people when he so chooses. I don't mind the conflict between Dracula and Zobek at all. In fact, I like the idea how Zobek seems to be at odds with Dracula for the simple reason that Dracula defies Zobek's power over him (or does he?), a nice contrast to Death being "Dracula's confidant" in the original canon. After all, Zead did say "nobody escapes me," meaning nobody can escape inevitable death, except for Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 21, 2013, 06:53:34 PM
Screw you guys, I'm going home!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw#)

and thus this debate has ended. good points made on both sides though


In regards to Zobech:
The only thing I regret is the "backstory" they gave him. I don't mind him being Lord of the Dead/Necromancers, I just don't like the fact that they made Death a human before he became "Death." I would've instead rather the man named "Zobek" being Death's facade or avatar, similar to the Zead/Death situation in CoD. I know this is subjective, but I like the idea of Death in Castlevania being an ageless, mysterious entity; he simply is, always has, and always will be.

But then there are those that will argue how Death isn't really "Grim Reaper Death," just one of many Shinigami or "Death Gods." Eh, whatever. Like I said, just give me ageless skeleton-in-cloak wielding scythe, using "human form" to walk amongst people when he so chooses. I don't mind the conflict between Dracula and Zobek at all. In fact, I like the idea how Zobek seems to be at odds with Dracula for the simple reason that Dracula defies Zobek's power over him (or does he?), a nice contrast to Death being "Dracula's confidant" in the original canon. After all, Zead did say "nobody escapes me," meaning nobody can escape inevitable death, except for Dracula.
I actually like that idea, that Zobek IS Death, and that Death predates the being known as Zobek, but became human(or enters the mortal realm under the human guise of a man named Zobek) to initiate the events that lead to the entirety of that which occur in the LoS series. That would actually be pretty fuckin cool.

Yeah, I just don't like the whole "Death ORIGINALLY being a human" idea(it's actually been brought up pre-LoS, when some people came up with the notion that it might be cool to see an origin tale regarding Death when he used to be a mortal man...yeah). Death's Death, the personification of death itself. He's evil in the CV series, but most we associate with death itself as being a sense of finality and the result, of many times, violence, murder, and dark acts of humanity. Even when it's natural it brings sorrow. Pondering our own mortality and realizing that our hours are ticking away instills a sense of fear in us. Death, itself, might be neutral, but so many negative accounts are associated with it, the figure of Death, the reaper, will always be a force of human fear(the most primal fear). 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on December 21, 2013, 08:20:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153594330990697&set=vb.220827690696&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153594330990697&set=vb.220827690696&type=2&theater)

I don't think anybody posted this. Apparently this a video of Konami community manager answering questions from twitter on Lords of Shadow 2. Not whole lot revealed except that Dracula will be attracted to Carmila and who can blame him ;) and stealth sections seemed to be implied to be in modern sections and the game could be as long as thirty hours due to exploration.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 21, 2013, 08:43:26 PM
I actually like that idea, that Zobek IS Death, and that Death predates the being known as Zobek, but became human(or enters the mortal realm under the human guise of a man named Zobek) to initiate the events that lead to the entirety of that which occur in the LoS series. That would actually be pretty fuckin cool.

Yeah, I just don't like the whole "Death ORIGINALLY being a human" idea(it's actually been brought up pre-LoS, when some people came up with the notion that it might be cool to see an origin tale regarding Death when he used to be a mortal man...yeah). Death's Death, the personification of death itself. He's evil in the CV series, but most we associate with death itself as being a sense of finality and the result, of many times, violence, murder, and dark acts of humanity. Even when it's natural it brings sorrow. Pondering our own mortality and realizing that our hours are ticking away instills a sense of fear in us. Death, itself, might be neutral, but so many negative accounts are associated with it, the figure of Death, the reaper, will always be a force of human fear(the most primal fear).

About the "Death being originally human doesn't work because he was always Death itself on CV universe", I think this also doesn't work. If Death is the concept of death itself, then why can the Belmonts defeat him instead of dropping dead by a mere touch from him? Why does the concept of decay and entropy, possibly the most powerful force on the universe personified, serve a spoiled vampire brat? Death seems too extremelly limited on the CV world to be the very concept of death. He could be death itself personified, of course, and he might play by rules still unknown to us. But that he looks limited, he sure does.

I think Death is an AMAZING character, and on the classic games, he's the one of the only main characters with zero explanation at all. To be so extremelly powerful and end up as a vampire's servant is kind of... Silly. Death serves Dracula because Dracula can kill one whole lot of people? To what purpose? Death could very well stand outside of the whole thing and simply collect the souls, if that's the case. Death serves Dracula because he's "undying"? So what about any other undying creature, why isn't Death serving them? Is it because Dracula has a red peeble? Why is Death bound by this stone, then?

Anyways, I'd love to see Death being explained.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 22, 2013, 10:36:55 AM
If it helps, I don't think that Zobek is Death itself in the LoS universe. He is simply the Lord of the Necromancers and thus also the Lord of the Dead. As far as the personification of death goes, I think we need to look at the reaper enemies encountered in the Necromancer's Abyss. From what I remember, according to the enemy description in the LoS1 bestiary, they are physical manifestations of death itself. So, there isn't one, but many.

In other words, there isn't just one Grim Reaper in the LoS universe.


As for the old cannon, it is never explained well other than that thing about him to be loyal to the owner of the Crimson Stone (stupid really).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 22, 2013, 10:55:48 AM
As for the old cannon, it is never explained well other than that thing about him to be loyal to the owner of the Crimson Stone (stupid really).

The Crimson Stone, an important plot device that was never mentioned again.

Interestingly, Soma has a red stone around his neck in the Sorrow games. Maybe some kind of reference to the Crimson Stone?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 22, 2013, 11:17:04 AM
Similar to LoI's Crimson & Ebony Stones, LoS also has a McGuffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin), the God/Devil Masks; "important" plot devices that are never mentioned again. Go figure.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 22, 2013, 11:51:04 AM
Similar to LoI's Crimson & Ebony Stones, LoS also has a McGuffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin), the God/Devil Masks; "important" plot devices that are never mentioned again. Go figure.
Yep, I come that comes back, with the lost soul, seriously wtf?
The idea of Death being human or beatable never sit with me, however the old series gave a good character with good moments (CoD is HIS game, really, steals the show) and if we can play in the rules of the universe in which Death can be killed, the old character is leaps and bounds above Zobek. He's equally as manipulative, but not as charismatic.
But they are similar somehow, in the sense that I'm always expecting the death battle in a Castlevania game as it's always the one you know will be familiar yet flexible, and developers have come up with great ideas, it's commonly the hardest too, it's the moment of the game when you say things are going down. In the same way, the Zobek fight is the one I'm most looking forward, i bet it will be spectacular.

And I hate him so bad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on December 22, 2013, 01:20:14 PM
When I first beat LoS1, I was kind of disappointed that we didn't get to fight Zobek. Sure, we fought 3 of his necromancer underlings and a dracolich, but we never fought the lord of the dead ourselves. I mean yes we got to fight Satan, but that was just a re-hash of the Pan fight.

Let's just hope that if we fight Zobek in LoS2, it makes up for not fighting him in LoS1
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Post by: Flame on December 23, 2013, 03:21:39 AM
I wonder... What relic might Gabe get from Zobek if he were to kill him?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on December 23, 2013, 05:04:11 AM
The idea of Death being human or beatable never sit with me, however the old series gave a good character with good moments (CoD is HIS game, really, steals the show) and if we can play in the rules of the universe in which Death can be killed, the old character is leaps and bounds above Zobek. He's equally as manipulative, but not as charismatic.
But they are similar somehow, in the sense that I'm always expecting the death battle in a Castlevania game as it's always the one you know will be familiar yet flexible, and developers have come up with great ideas, it's commonly the hardest too, it's the moment of the game when you say things are going down. In the same way, the Zobek fight is the one I'm most looking forward, i bet it will be spectacular.

And I hate him so bad.
Ah...
I think it's time for a good Zead - Zobek debate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 23, 2013, 07:05:42 AM
I wonder... What relic might Gabe get from Zobek if he were to kill him?

I've been thinking about that since the first game. But since we have no idea of what his combat abilities are, it's hard to say what ability Gabe will get outside of the ability to control reapers or open a passage between Earth and Heaven.


....(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fohhh.png&hash=ae408981a5bde06c27d33c1612424533)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 23, 2013, 11:15:44 AM
What do you think will Zobek look like as the Lord of the Dead? In LoS 1 you could kind of see him in his Death Outfit though his face was covered by the Devil Mask that he was wearing. I guess this time around he won't wear a mask when he will transform (which is as good as certain if there is a fight which is also pretty certain to be honest). Do you think he will have a skull face just like the other Necromancers do with no skin whatsoever left or that he will have some skin left and thus resemble the Death from Dante's Inferno?
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhd.wallpaperswide.com%2Fthumbs%2Fdantes_inferno_death-t2.jpg&hash=0df8ce33797b3f1e6f835a61f9b0c844)
I guess due to the fact that this is a Castlevania game and due to the fact that many gamers moaned about the abundance of many classic Castlevania elements he will have a skull face. Do you think he will wield a scythe or do you think that he will simply use Magic just like he did in the chapter 12 cutscene in LoS 1? I assume he's going to wield a scythe, once again for above mentioned reasons. Though it would be nice if he would wear a better looking cloak than the very simple black cloak he was wearing in LoS 1. His Necromancer underlings had way more detailed cloaks. :P
If Zobek will become hostile at one point I wonder if we will have to fight Legion as a Boss before Zobek? Imagine a giant freakin' ball of zombies and corpses in the LoS universe... that would be awesome. Slogra might also make an appearance since he's a skeleton and thus fits the image of Undead that serve Zobek.
Or even better: Maybe a third form of Zobek (beside his human form and the Death form) will be said Legion form. Basically he will create a barrier around him and cover himself with a huge ball of Zombies. So in this universe Legion wouldn't be a tentacle ball cvered with Zombies but Zobek who is using these Zombies as a shield to protect himself. So when you destroy all the Zombies you can reach him and destroy his barrier and thus finish him off. It would be similiar to Cornell:
1. First you fight him in his human form where he uses his sword.
2. After that he transforms to the Lord of the Dead and his life bar refills again. He will use his skythe, use Magic spells (as did Death in some Metroidvania games as well) and summon small sickles.
3. Shortly before he dies he will create a green magical barrier (since he used green lightning in LoS 1 and since all of the Necromancers seem to use Magic spells with the colour green) and protect himself with the Zombies. His life bar will not fill up of course since you won't damage himself but rather destroy the shield of corpses. After that you cestroy the barrier with whatever power you hold and finish him off. Now that's how I would do that fight if I were the game designer responsible for this boss fight. What do you think of my idea and how would you imagine the Zobek boss fight?
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Post by: Dremn on December 23, 2013, 12:47:07 PM
7 pages of no news, jeez guys. I keep checking this thread everytime it's bumped too.
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Post by: Kingshango on December 23, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
7 pages of no news, jeez guys. I keep checking this thread everytime it's bumped too.

It's the holidays man, we're not getting any new info until the beginning of January, the 10th at the earliest.

Till then it's just friendly speculating.
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Post by: Darkweaver on December 23, 2013, 07:20:56 PM
Got around to playing the LoS2 demo.  That demo alone is epic.... Can't wait to see if we actually get to explore a castle.  Can't wait!
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Post by: crisis on December 23, 2013, 08:13:03 PM
I just hope the game won't drag and the pacing is consistent and fun throughout. I know that's unlikely, if the rumors of it being 30+ hours to complete are true, then there's bound to be several chapters that'll just drive me fucking insane.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on December 23, 2013, 09:08:57 PM
I think 30 hours is referring to the exploration. I doubt the main story is going to be much longer than the first game. But I agree I hope it is paced really well. Although I rather game keep getting better even if it starts out not great then game like God of War 3 where it peaks really early.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Darkweaver on December 23, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
So is this game taking up two discs on the 360?  I mean, if it's really that big I would imagine it will.  The first game was two discs on 360 but I remember reading it had to do with uncompressed video and not so much the game itself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 24, 2013, 04:44:22 AM
Noone's gonna say something about my idea that I posted above?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Darkweaver on December 24, 2013, 08:00:42 AM
Noone's gonna say something about my idea that I posted above?
Doesn't Zobek pretty much look like Sean Connery?  It's been awhile but at least that was his "pure" form, right?  At the end of LoS, he looked like all the other Necromancers.
Title: bacon cheeseburger
Post by: crisis on December 24, 2013, 08:11:07 AM
Zobech in his "Lord of the Dead" form looks like Darth Nihilus

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff43%2F17%2F53%2F84%2F34%2F1_nihi10.jpg&hash=6e4308b25fcc5f6e3eac53cf5fe7b2f3)


But I don't think the battle against him will be anything like any other previous Death battles from classic CV. I don't expect to see floating sickles or anything. They're going to try something "new" and "different."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 24, 2013, 08:14:53 AM
Darth Nihilus... his origin is so cool in Malachor V.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 24, 2013, 08:20:00 AM
All I can say is that crisis loves topic titles.  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 24, 2013, 08:35:21 AM
Well I guess one Phase of the battle will remind a Death battle, I guess they will do that.
However one Thing was interesting. I don't know if anyone of you has a screenshot of the bestiary entry for the "Lord of the Dead". It showed Zobek's pure form but it somehow looked different than his appearance in the game. For example you could see corpses or souls in his carcass/ ripcage. Maybe we're going to see that. Imagine him Floating in the air with this ripcage and a skythe. That would look sick. :D
Title: lasagna w/bacon
Post by: crisis on December 24, 2013, 10:02:38 AM
Well i think that is just the artist being creative with the design. For instance, Gabriel's artwork depicts him having long curly hair. His in-game model however has shorter, straight hair. And I believe Satan's artwork shows him having feathers and wings, but in-game model just has him having shadow-like "wings" instead.

But I agree, Zobech with skythe and cloak would look sick. :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 24, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
I don't know why I agree with the idea of Death looking like Darth Nihilus.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on December 24, 2013, 07:11:39 PM
Some nice new info in here.

I used google translate.

Store to buy items, flying creature to explore but this could be a bad translation.

http://www.insidegamer.nl/artikel/108831/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-om-je-in-vast-te-bijten (http://www.insidegamer.nl/artikel/108831/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-om-je-in-vast-te-bijten)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on December 24, 2013, 08:13:04 PM
A castle shop? That's the first I've heard of it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 24, 2013, 09:36:44 PM
pleeeease remix this song for the Shop. top 5 best Castlevania tracks, you're wrong if you disagree

Let's Listen: CV Harmony Of Dissonance - Merchant's Theme (Extended) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5-tNAMamsU#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on December 25, 2013, 12:09:23 AM
In article it says after freeing a "Dwarf Species" you get shop? Calling it the Chupacabra is the shopkeeper.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on December 25, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
Interesting points from the article:

- At some point you can find an egg in the game. After it hatches, a small flying monster will search for items.
- "Some sort of dwarf" (I'm guessing the Chupacabra) will set up shop in the castle. Here you will be able to buy both regular  and unique items. At some point you can unlock here "something that will constitute a large part of the gameplay, but Cox is not allowed to talk about yet".
- The beginning of the game will take mostly in the castle, and apparently lasts quite some time.
- You can turn into a rat to avoid enemies.
- You can take over the bodies of enemies to get past modern security.
- You can freely travel between past and present using portales.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 25, 2013, 02:09:35 AM
Interesting. I'm glad Cox is not spoiling the story/fun.
Title: Re: bacon cheeseburger
Post by: Rugal on December 25, 2013, 06:29:00 AM
Zobech in his "Lord of the Dead" form looks like Darth Nihilus

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff43%2F17%2F53%2F84%2F34%2F1_nihi10.jpg&hash=6e4308b25fcc5f6e3eac53cf5fe7b2f3)


Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 25, 2013, 08:57:39 AM
That's the Castle Shop:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gametactics.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FCastlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-Castle-Shop.jpg&hash=afa06b8598785ec46b1b952f71111f21)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on December 25, 2013, 01:36:12 PM
You can freely travel between past and present using portales.
Here comes the time travel rumors!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: KaZudra on December 25, 2013, 01:47:14 PM
Here comes the time travel rumors!
As long as it has nothing to do with Bioshock infinite, time travel is okay
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 25, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
chrono trigger

x-men: days of future past
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on December 25, 2013, 02:06:26 PM
Traveling between present and past via portals basically means that you're going to be able to teleport to Dracula's Castle at any time. If you miss items in the Castle you just take a portal from the City to the Castle. I guess there will also be some kind of teleport systems for areas within the Castle itself like for House of Lords or Underground Gardens so that you don't need to walk the entire way to the area you want to search for items. 

Also about buying items. Dracula can buy regular items... What would be regular items? Health potions and Magic potions that fill up your Void or Chaos bars? Maybe ammunition for your secondary weapons if there will be any? Energy for the Stopwatch and the Cloak? I am really interested in that.

Also that huge Puppetmaster Boss that we saw in a screenshot is indeed controled by the Toy Maker and is mentioned as a Titan fight.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 25, 2013, 08:56:39 PM
Kinda funny, or weird

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/329/8/d/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2_clan_belmont_meme_by_rubens77belmont-d6vmk5z.png (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/329/8/d/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2_clan_belmont_meme_by_rubens77belmont-d6vmk5z.png)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on December 26, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
Just a pointless musing I had: how would you have felt about LoS if they had left out the arbitrary references to the rest of the series? And by that I mean it still would be an actual Castlevania game, but Gabriel would just Gabriel, no name dropping, no Belmonts, no Vampire Killer, etc. The story would still be the same, but those things would just be left out.

Personally, I couldn't care less if the villain is called Dracula or Count Count, or if you play with Simon Belmont or some guy called Nathan Graves. I noticed some people have oddly specific requirements for a Castlevania game. I always find it amusing when somebody says it's not Castlevania unless Dracula or the Belmonts are in it. That's fine on it's own, but often times people just leave it at that, without going into things that seem more essential, like the game's structure. For example, LoS1 is an oddball in that regard since the main focus isn't the castle, unlike the rest of the series (yes, Simon's Quest and Bloodlines also adhere to that concept).

It probably would have been an interesting situation. I suppose just like how Gargoyle's Quest and Maximo did their own thing separate from Ghosts 'n Goblins, without feeling the need to shoe-horn reimagined versions of Arthur and Prin-Prin into the plot. The story would probably have felt more natural that way. Not that would have suddenly liked the games better, but I prefer a Castlevania game without the obligatory "story checklist" but nails everything else, than the other way around.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 26, 2013, 07:36:51 AM
Kinda funny, or weird

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/329/8/d/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2_clan_belmont_meme_by_rubens77belmont-d6vmk5z.png (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/329/8/d/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2_clan_belmont_meme_by_rubens77belmont-d6vmk5z.png)

*cringe*
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 26, 2013, 08:28:19 AM
i believe that without all the Castlevania references and namedrops, ironically, most people would've argued how much the game in fact still resembles a Castlevania game (albeit superficially). It could've even been dubbed an "honorary Castlevania" by some. People are weird like that, lol

But if Gabriel had a sword instead of a chain whip, however, and they didn't include the middle chapters of the game with the castle (hell, even if they left those parts in), then not so much. There would be no discussion on how LoS could be a Castlevania. Then again, what if Curse of Darkness didn't have "Castlevania" in the title, no references, etc.? I guess that would've been the same scenario  :-*
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 26, 2013, 01:50:54 PM
It could also be a case of gradual change vs non-gradual change.

In the case of LoS, if Gabriel had a sword and wasn't a Belmont, but had the same gameplay and level structure only with Kojima as the lead artist and Yamane as the composer, people wouldn't have made the same arguments because they're used to Castlevania games having that consistent aesthetic. I feel like any gameplay changes would have been looked at as a change to the formula rather than a "this isn't Castlevania!"

Likewise, in LoI, if Leon had a sword and wasn't a Belmont, and they had changed the music and artstyle but left the gameplay untouched, I'd argue a lot of people would be making a lot of the same arguments about it that people have made about LoS.

Because honestly, if you compare LoI, for example, to CV1-3, and the LoS to CV1-3, pretending in each case that those are the only games in the series, neither LoI or LoS is particularly MORE original trilogy than the other. IMO, LoS gets a lot of flak because it doesn't borrow a lot from it's more immediate predecessors, but there's nothing in it that says that, in an alternate reality, Castlevania couldn't have become this "naturally".

FYI, this isn't a "LoS is just like Classicvania!" argument, because I don't think that's true.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 26, 2013, 02:07:14 PM
Nobody can give a specific recipe for a castlevania game. Castlevania games are all different. With that being said.... LoS didn't do anything that hasn't been done before, anyone who says it isn't castlevania is in denial. The music is the only thing that glued all castlevanias together. And then lords of shadow fucked it up. I mean, CoD had like no remixes, but they still felt castlevania-esque. Even pre-michiru games had that sound that can only be described as a castlevania sound. A sound LoS lacked.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 26, 2013, 02:36:03 PM
The music of Castlevania, adequate music, or characteristic music is only established by the ''age'' of the game. When we were children, we played the games regardless of the music, and it grew on us. Tunes such as the nes and snes games ''defined'' castlevania music. If the music such as that remained, and SOTN got released in this time, there would be complains on some tracks that are orchestated in the game and lack the dynamics of older tunes. It's just a matter of musical taste. I like the musical approach in LOS saga. The music in old games are great, don't think I don't like it, I love it!. But it had to evolve. After LOS, Castlevania could get more budget and we could get more games, with better production and gameplay. The only thing I don't like of games before LOS, was the story. The games were great, they still are. But (and this is only my opinion), the previous team were getting Castlevania a little bit ''too japanese''. Castlevania is european in esence, so let europe people handle them. They have been doing it and it appears to be working good for the franchise. I have said this before, and will do it again, I just want IGA to make the 1999 game, and that's it. Konami must let other people manage the franchise. I think its for the best :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 26, 2013, 02:56:57 PM
Even "Castlevania sound" is pretty vague. I mean:
Lost Painting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXV2jtqdsiA#ws)
Dance of Pales (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0TR8KFfGU#ws)

Dance of Pales, when done in a similar sound format as the older games, sounds like something from Mickey and the World of Illusion. That's not a diss, though. The music in that game was awesome.

It's probably an oversimplification, but the biggest change, IMO, that LoS applied to the established Castlevania music standard was a focus on slow buildups, big crescendos, and longer, less repeatable sequences.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on December 27, 2013, 01:03:48 AM
Even "Castlevania sound" is pretty vague. I mean:
Dance of Pales, when done in a similar sound format as the older games, sounds like something from Mickey and the World of Illusion. That's not a diss, though. The music in that game was awesome.

SotN's 2D sprites fit the repetitive sounds well. Also, for that era it is hard to put in lots of musical elements when the disc capacity is limited and you have to share it with coding, graphics, etc.
So yeah, some sounds might sound like those of another game. I am not an expert on game bgm but there might have been some copying involved.

It's probably an oversimplification, but the biggest change, IMO, that LoS applied to the established Castlevania music standard was a focus on slow buildups, big crescendos, and longer, less repeatable sequences.

In other words, it became Hollywood. Some like it (cool, new change), some don't (boo, I'd rather listen to a movie soundtrack). Period.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on December 27, 2013, 02:14:47 AM
Just to be clear, I was not critiqueing Lords in my previous post. And I actually think changing the names would have been inrelevant, since they're just labels.

e105beta, I don't feel like debating this for very long, but I see your point about non-gradual change. However, I think it's also fair to say Lords sometimes stepped out the "parameters" established by the series. For example, the music doesn't particularly support a gothic-horror game most of the time regardless of quality, and the atmosphere of gothic-horror is completely abscent in the Land of the Lycans, while the Land of the Dead may conceive a sense of horror, but not particularly gothic (except Baba Yaga's domain, which is great). Last not but not least, the point I made earlier about the game's structure not being focused on a castle. I would like to emphasise these are completely fair points to make.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the castle section, nor do I think the game betrays the series in every conceivable way, it's just a few major decisions that spoil the experience. For example, MoF already fixed most of those issues, therefore I can recognise the game from being of a related branch of the Castlevania series. The game still falls flat in other areas, but those have to with overall quality and personal taste.

However, my conclusion is that both views can be true at the same time. I'm sure there are people bone-headed enough to fixate on very trivial details like soley on Kojima art, or like I mentioned before, on specific story details. It's as they say: the truth is in the middle somewhere.

Edit: regarding the "glue" that holds the series together, that's obviously the castle itself and the fact that it's gothic horror.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on December 27, 2013, 07:41:58 AM
In that shop picture, you can clearly see the Chupacabra.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 27, 2013, 09:13:33 AM
As long as we get gothic horror one way or another, I'm fine with exploring other kinds of it, or even getting astray from the conventions (sunny green gardens etc). The state of "darkness" has more impact when you've seen the world before it's takeover. I'd love to ivist a dark twisted version of Pan's garden with blood instead of water and so on, the impact would've been diminished if we hadn't seen the beautiful pre dracula time one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on December 27, 2013, 10:54:34 AM
Another random thought of mine: I'm calling it that the big twist in LoS2 is going to be that the Toy Maker is actually Gandolfi. It makes sense when you think about, since they keep bringing up Gandolfi in the knight scrolls without actually showing him. I'm hoping it's true just for the sheer hilarity of the exact same twist being pulled three games in a row.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 27, 2013, 11:16:33 AM
I've thought of the same possibility, Nagumo... perhaps we can discuss it over lunch sometime? : )
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: EstebanT on December 27, 2013, 11:41:51 AM

...regarding the "glue" that holds the series together, that's obviously the castle itself and the fact that it's gothic horror.

That isn't really true... is it?

Quote
For example, the music doesn't particularly support a gothic-horror game most of the time regardless of quality, and the atmosphere of gothic-horror is completely abscent in the Land of the Lycans
Yeah, I agree... But Castlevania areas arent always gothic horror... it would get old fast. I can think of many areas that aren't gothic horror in older castlevanias.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: theplottwist on December 27, 2013, 12:29:42 PM
That isn't really true... is it?
Yeah, I agree... But Castlevania areas arent always gothic horror... it would get old fast. I can think of many areas that aren't gothic horror in older castlevanias.

Well, a game called "Castlevania" that doesn't feature the demon fortress known as "Castlevania" sounds like a "Super Mario Bros." game with zero Mario in it. Preposterous :/ I think this might be my biggest gripe with the first Lords of Shadow, even though Vampire Castle is supposed to be a "Castlevania".

Now for the gothic horror, even though many areas of the games don't present a gothic theme, the series is clearly inspired by the gothic.

The biggest problem of the Lords of Shadow is it's feel. No Gothic, Yes epic.
Epic is cool, but it isn't really Castlevania. Feels... Too different in a not-so-good way.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: theplottwist on December 27, 2013, 12:34:17 PM
Another random thought of mine: I'm calling it that the big twist in LoS2 is going to be that the Toy Maker is actually Gandolfi. It makes sense when you think about, since they keep bringing up Gandolfi in the knight scrolls without actually showing him. I'm hoping it's true just for the sheer hilarity of the exact same twist being pulled three games in a row.

Well, he IS mentioned to have been Gandolfi's apprendice, is it not?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 27, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
SotN's 2D sprites fit the repetitive sounds well. Also, for that era it is hard to put in lots of musical elements when the disc capacity is limited and you have to share it with coding, graphics, etc.
So yeah, some sounds might sound like those of another game. I am not an expert on game bgm but there might have been some copying involved.

I wasn't trying to say anything was copied, just that any true consistency established by Castlevania music has to due with endless remixes. There's nothing gothic about a rock remix of Vampire Killer, whereas a song like Dance of Pales establishes a very elegant, gothic waltz.

Just to be clear, I was not critiqueing Lords in my previous post. And I actually think changing the names would have been inrelevant, since they're just labels.

I was more responding to Crisis, but I appreciate your response.

e105beta, I don't feel like debating this for very long, but I see your point about non-gradual change. However, I think it's also fair to say Lords sometimes stepped out the "parameters" established by the series. For example, the music doesn't particularly support a gothic-horror game most of the time regardless of quality, and the atmosphere of gothic-horror is completely abscent in the Land of the Lycans, while the Land of the Dead may conceive a sense of horror, but not particularly gothic (except Baba Yaga's domain, which is great). Last not but not least, the point I made earlier about the game's structure not being focused on a castle. I would like to emphasise these are completely fair points to make.

I'm not disagreeing, because what you're saying is absolutely true, I'm more just pointing out that a lot of said "parameters" came into existence gradually, rather than being part of the series since it's inception. There are a ton of Castlevania music tracks, particularly the further back you go, that have nothing gothic-horror about them, and there are examples of non-Castle LoS-like environments in other games. Just a couple of examples:

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I'm not trying to say that a good part of Agharta didn't have an unfamiliar feel, but I think it's unfair to say that Land of Lycans is completely absent of Castlevania feel. There is basis for a good part of it, even if it's not necessarily in the parameters that became the standard.

EDIT: Land of the Dead, well, like you said, it's not particularly gothic, but neither was the Abyss or the Pyramid Ruins

However, my conclusion is that both views can be true at the same time. I'm sure there are people bone-headed enough to fixate on very trivial details like soley on Kojima art, or like I mentioned before, on specific story details. It's as they say: the truth is in the middle somewhere.

I actually don't think Kojima art being in the game IS trivial, at least in terms of discussing visual identity. Kojima was with the series a long time, and had a major impact on the art-style and direction. Taking her away, along with the primary composer for a long time, within the course of two games, causes major "culture shock" if you will. I just think it's important to separate the "Castlevania" from the "Kojima-inspired Castlevania" if that makes any sense.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Asgardwolf on December 27, 2013, 04:09:12 PM
Well, he IS mentioned to have been Gandolfi's apprendice, is it not?
Yes, you can read it on one of the knight scrolls in MOF... He was Gandolfi`s Best apprentice until he was cursed and turned evil by the Bernhard family.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 27, 2013, 04:48:34 PM
But alas, the theory of Toy Maker being Gandolfi also contradicts one of the knight scrolls found in LoS1. If you recall, it said that Gandolfi was seen living in seclusion in the swamp, in the guise of a senile old man in rags. The Toy Maker looks the exact opposite of this description, and he clearly resides in the castle.


HMMM....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on December 28, 2013, 07:15:16 AM
About the music, when you take them seperately from the games, you might not immediately associate with gothic-horror. However, I think that music is more agreable with the rest of the assets used when compored to Araujo's. You could say that's a matter of opinion, but certain sounds are known to invoke certain emotions in the listeners. Not saying Castlevania tracks invoke a sense of outright fear or anxiety, but I think they put one better into the right state of mind, a "pleasing terror", if that makes sense.   

But alas, the theory of Toy Maker being Gandolfi also contradicts one of the knight scrolls found in LoS1. If you recall, it said that Gandolfi was seen living in seclusion in the swamp, in the guise of a senile old man in rags. The Toy Maker looks the exact opposite of this description, and he clearly resides in the castle.


HMMM....

The apprentince thing and Gandolfi living as a senile old man are all red herrings, I'm telling you. The location where the knight saw Gandolfi is awfully close to the castle, don't you think? Some food for thought.  :)

That isn't really true... is it?


Not unless my copies of the games are different.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 28, 2013, 09:41:16 AM
Plot twist: Gandolfi is Pan
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 28, 2013, 11:05:28 AM
Plot twist: Marie is a chupacabra
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on December 28, 2013, 11:11:37 AM
Plot twist: Chupacabra is future Gabe trying to stop himself
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on December 28, 2013, 11:17:06 AM
Plot twist: Victor is blind in one eye because he is actually the Daemon lord and he is mad at gabriel for blinding him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on December 28, 2013, 03:07:13 PM
Plot twist: Zobek's true identity is IGA.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on December 28, 2013, 04:28:40 PM
Plot twist: Zobek's true identity is IGA.
I thought he was the Forgotten one?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 28, 2013, 04:58:54 PM
Plot twist: Zobek's true form is Vince McMahon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 28, 2013, 06:12:18 PM
Plot Twist: IGA's Dracula is the final boss of LoS2
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on December 28, 2013, 06:21:50 PM
Plot twist: Ahasverus EstebanT KaZiZ Chernabogue Kingshango and theplottwist are all the same person under different accounts they've been fooling everyone since day 1 I propose a motion to delete these false idols please wait till I PM Jorge about this tomfoolery.


I really wish Square Enix acquired the license to produce Castlevania figures under their Play Arts Kai line they are highly detailed and articulated i remember the NECA figures unfortunately looking better as prototypes than they did when they were actually released i've been drinking sake all night it's called DreamY Clouds is quite good those mini figurines that come with the LoS2 preorder bundle look very amateurish. I'm willing to bet I could create better figures than those as my custom figure collection is quite expansive it even surpasses yours, Flame. So don't even start with me. I wonder if they'll include a "making-of" documentary for LoS2? that would be sweet as we really don't know what goes on behind the scenes aside from interviews transcribed on the net. I mean an in-depth process, kinda like the one included in God of War 3 it showed the thought process that went into creature design, levels, etc. Not just a Q&A interview with Dave Cox and that Enrique guy
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on December 28, 2013, 08:52:09 PM
I thought he was the Forgotten one?

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDzld5g0IG--YFV0G-SLO0wQ9hLEFU7zrpytTw_8c9v553hWvc)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on December 28, 2013, 09:06:17 PM
Plot twist: Ahasverus EstebanT KaZiZ Chernabogue Kingshango and theplottwist are all the same person under different accounts they've been fooling everyone since day 1 I propose a motion to delete these false idols please wait till I PM Jorge about this tomfoolery.

Oooh NOES, ye goteth us... Uh... Me... Yeah, ye goteth me!

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Post by: EstebanT on December 28, 2013, 09:50:28 PM
Well McFarlane Toys actually makes video game figures, sonething like that would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on December 28, 2013, 11:27:16 PM
I really wish Square Enix acquired the license to produce Castlevania figures under their Play Arts Kai line they are highly detailed and articulated i remember the NECA figures unfortunately looking better as prototypes than they did when they were actually released...

If Castlevania were as famous as MGS in Japan, then there will be a Play Arts Kai lineup.
Yeah, those NECA figures are not that pretty when i got them. Oh well...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Claimh Solais on December 28, 2013, 11:36:06 PM
Any figures are better than those atrocities that came with the Dracula's Tomb edition of LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on December 29, 2013, 12:38:23 AM
Any news about the LE and CE of the game?, I can't find any store in Europe or USA that preorder any of the announced CE or LE editions. Specially not the tomb in Europe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on December 29, 2013, 04:29:13 AM
You can pre-order the collector's edition only here:

http://www.game.co.uk/en/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-draculas-tomb-premium-edition-only-at-game-261789 (http://www.game.co.uk/en/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-draculas-tomb-premium-edition-only-at-game-261789)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on December 29, 2013, 06:18:03 AM
You can pre-order the collector's edition only here:

http://www.game.co.uk/en/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-draculas-tomb-premium-edition-only-at-game-261789 (http://www.game.co.uk/en/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-draculas-tomb-premium-edition-only-at-game-261789)

Thanks, I will have to check with them because I think they don't ship stuff of more than 1kg outside the UK.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on December 30, 2013, 07:28:18 AM
Well then hopefully Dracula's Tomb is less than 1kg, because I ordered it and they haven't said anything about it being too big.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on December 31, 2013, 05:24:09 AM
Dracula's Tomb? Looks more like Dracula's air conditioning unit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on December 31, 2013, 08:30:21 AM
It´s coming....

Do not go up to the HYPE Train by the trailers, it is very good game, but it is a LOS, repeat not a SOTN, not a ZELDA, not a SKYRIM and not a GOW ... has a bit of everything and I like it. So Don`t imagine what is not.

The story will bring controversy and big ... I do not know if any of IGA read the script before .. but HOHOHO.

P.D.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fct.weirdnutdaily.com%2Fol%2Fwn%2Fsw%2Fi53%2F2%2F11%2F9%2Fwnd_addd2693c837b063a473f5135ba3e67d.jpg&hash=e28543078ea3fe613c28ffe195b70be7)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on December 31, 2013, 09:59:26 AM
It´s coming....

Do not go up to the HYPE Train by the trailers, it is very good game, but it is a LOS, repeat not a SOTN, not a ZELDA, not a SKYRIM and not a GOW ... has a bit of everything and I like it. So Don`t imagine what is not.

The story will bring controversy and big ... I do not know if any of IGA read the script before .. but HOHOHO.

P.D.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fct.weirdnutdaily.com%2Fol%2Fwn%2Fsw%2Fi53%2F2%2F11%2F9%2Fwnd_addd2693c837b063a473f5135ba3e67d.jpg&hash=e28543078ea3fe613c28ffe195b70be7)
What are you specifically talking about? a new trailer? the tomb coming to america?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on December 31, 2013, 10:16:41 AM
It´s coming....

Do not go up to the HYPE Train by the trailers, it is very good game, but it is a LOS, repeat not a SOTN, not a ZELDA, not a SKYRIM and not a GOW ... has a bit of everything and I like it. So Don`t imagine what is not.

The story will bring controversy and big ... I do not know if any of IGA read the script before .. but HOHOHO.

P.D.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fct.weirdnutdaily.com%2Fol%2Fwn%2Fsw%2Fi53%2F2%2F11%2F9%2Fwnd_addd2693c837b063a473f5135ba3e67d.jpg&hash=e28543078ea3fe613c28ffe195b70be7)

You can't tell me what to do, this hypetrain is on OVERDRIVE!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on December 31, 2013, 10:47:49 PM
I loved LoS, and I'm not expecting it to be any of those other games.

Am I allowed to be hyped anyway?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on January 01, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Wait, who said Lords of Shadow looked like Skyrim or Zelda?  :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 01, 2014, 11:29:08 AM
certain people in this thread started to call LoS2 a "Zeldavania" and "skyrimvania" several pages back
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Post by: Flame on January 01, 2014, 12:00:49 PM
That's silly.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 01, 2014, 01:58:16 PM
Is Bergaron a dev? A lot of his posts sounds like he knows something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 01, 2014, 03:02:28 PM
Is Bergaron a dev? A lot of his posts sounds like he knows something.

From my understanding, he lives in Madrid and knows someone at Mercurysteam. He may very well have seen more of the game than anyone else here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 01, 2014, 05:23:31 PM
Quote
The story will bring controversy and big ... I do not know if any of IGA read the script before .. but HOHOHO.
Canon reboot confirmed.

So,. bergaron, the "open world" is nothing to be excited about? lame.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 01, 2014, 06:36:12 PM
So is it possible my theory of "Dracula traveling back in time to prevent Satan from succeeding and saving himself from becoming Dracula thus altering history for the events of Lament of Innocence to take place" is semi-true after all  :o :o :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Puritan on January 01, 2014, 07:09:41 PM
Timeline wouldn't allow it. Mathias would've been born in 1062. Gabe was born way before that.

But weirder things can happen.

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Post by: Inccubus on January 01, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
You can't tell me what to do, this hypetrain is on OVERDRIVE!

Day 322:

Subject shows masochistic tendencies. Fantasies about a "hypertrain" suggest technological fetish.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on January 02, 2014, 12:09:22 AM
Why would they "insert" LoS in the classic Castlevania timeline when they have said over and over again that LoS is his own thing?.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 02, 2014, 12:51:19 AM
Guys don't run wild because of what one user is writing. After all he might just be a troll or someone who wants to make us freak out.
However, I want official News man. It's 2014 and the game will be released in less than 2 months. Where are new Infos on the game? What the hell? I mean it is not the fault of MercurySteam, I am sure they did a great job on the game. However, the publisher can be accused here: I mean the majority of the game will take place in the modern day City (60 %). And yet nothing was shown of it yet.
I heard people talking about the open world structure, about the City etc. but I never saw any ingame material of said content. And it's not too much asked for to at least get some screenshots of the city. At least a small series of new screenshots showcasing a few new places and enemies would be enough o satisfy me.
Is someone here Feeling the same as me?
 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 02, 2014, 01:27:58 AM
http://www.gamepur.com/news/13151-castlevania-lords-shadows-2-interesting-information-revealed.html (http://www.gamepur.com/news/13151-castlevania-lords-shadows-2-interesting-information-revealed.html)

- At some point you can find an egg in the game. After it hatches, a small flying monster will search for items.
- Some sort of dwarf” (I’m guessing the Chupacabra) will set up shop in the castle. Here you will be able to buy both regular and unique items.
- At some point you can unlock here “something that will constitute a large part of the gameplay, but Cox is not allowed to talk about yet.
- You can turn into a rat to avoid enemies.
- You can take over the bodies of enemies to get past modern security.
- You can freely travel between past and present using portals.

I don't know how valid is this but... seems like prototypevania to me.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 02, 2014, 01:43:02 AM
Guys don't run wild because of what one user is writing. After all he might just be a troll or someone who wants to make us freak out.
However, I want official News man. It's 2014 and the game will be released in less than 2 months. Where are new Infos on the game? What the hell? I mean it is not the fault of MercurySteam, I am sure they did a great job on the game. However, the publisher can be accused here: I mean the majority of the game will take place in the modern day City (60 %). And yet nothing was shown of it yet.
I heard people talking about the open world structure, about the City etc. but I never saw any ingame material of said content. And it's not too much asked for to at least get some screenshots of the city. At least a small series of new screenshots showcasing a few new places and enemies would be enough o satisfy me.
Is someone here Feeling the same as me?

Someone on Gaf mentioned that the preview embargo will be lifted in the middle of this month. So starting next week or so, we'll be seeing more of the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on January 02, 2014, 02:57:53 AM
about the City

To be honest, I prefer that they keep the modern day stuff in secret.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 02, 2014, 03:05:44 AM
@Zetheraxza
That information is legit. It's information I translated from a Dutch article about the game. Someone reposted it elsewhere apperently.

I may be a bit cynical, but I think they avoid showing much of the city because they want to avoid backlash about it looking very out of place in a Castlevania game, similarly how LoS1 got a lot of flack when they showed pics from the Land of the Lycans.

Also, this talk about how "controversial" the story will be makes me worried.     
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 02, 2014, 08:19:22 AM
Is Bergaron a dev? A lot of his posts sounds like he knows something.

I'm not a developer (not gaming  ;D) I currently work as technical support in the computer area of a major Spanish power company.

An old acquaintance works for MS , occasionally have time to send some Whasup , but does not have much in the last year and a half , there were many leaks in MoF (most blame Cox) but also programmers and tester ( the two tester who left the language in MoF and los2 were authentic , at least what we had was true at the time) .

Really what it told me to (very little) last week is what I put in the forum, told me recently and quite more because they will start to release enough information in the next two months to raise the hype .. up to 10 days before launch.

Actually if you look at what you have seen so far are just a little dracula begins when weakened , and almost all pictures of the scene of the demo and a couple of them with alucard , nothing more ... in a game with nearly 3 hours of non-playable scenes ... imagine that remains of the story ..

Particularly I would finish the game otherwise .. but .. at least is somewhat flexible and interpretable part , so more or less each one will have a piece to grip and his theory of the end.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 02, 2014, 10:16:07 AM
I'm not a developer (not gaming  ;D) I currently work as technical support in the computer area of a major Spanish power company.

An old acquaintance works for MS , occasionally have time to send some Whasup , but does not have much in the last year and a half , there were many leaks in MoF (most blame Cox) but also programmers and tester ( the two tester who left the language in MoF and los2 were authentic , at least what we had was true at the time) .

Really what it told me to (very little) last week is what I put in the forum, told me recently and quite more because they will start to release enough information in the next two months to raise the hype .. up to 10 days before launch.

Actually if you look at what you have seen so far are just a little dracula begins when weakened , and almost all pictures of the scene of the demo and a couple of them with alucard , nothing more ... in a game with nearly 3 hours of non-playable scenes ... imagine that remains of the story ..

Particularly I would finish the game otherwise .. but .. at least is somewhat flexible and interpretable part , so more or less each one will have a piece to grip and his theory of the end.

As Long as I will have a very hard but awesome battle against Zobek which resembles a Death battle (with Zobek turning into a Death like appearance as well) I am more than happy.

Does the game at least have an epic final Boss fight? While I Kind of did like the final Boss in LoS 1 I felt it was too easy for a final boss and lacked a second form.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 02, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
Can you spoil the epic whole game please?

 :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on January 02, 2014, 06:41:46 PM
@Zetheraxza
That information is legit. It's information I translated from a Dutch article about the game. Someone reposted it elsewhere apperently.

I may be a bit cynical, but I think they avoid showing much of the city because they want to avoid backlash about it looking very out of place in a Castlevania game, similarly how LoS1 got a lot of flack when they showed pics from the Land of the Lycans.

Also, this talk about how "controversial" the story will be makes me worried.   

I thought they'd said that the city was built around the castle and had a gothic feeling because of it? Or something?

Who knows. These guys just need to put fine print notices at the end of every interview they do.
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Post by: Dremn on January 03, 2014, 01:29:32 AM
LoS was already pretty damn controversial, I don't know how much more controversial LoS2 could get. I guess we should all just expect a super bad end or something else to upset Castlevania fans.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on January 03, 2014, 01:33:27 AM
It will get so controversial that Gabriel and Satan will have homoerotic kissing and shit that will hit the charts on the news! People will be like, "Vidya Gaems maik Keeds Gai!". Did I mention Satan will be illuminati, oh wait he is.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 03, 2014, 04:37:17 PM
No, it will be more like: Satan was actually Jesus in disguise the whole time and God is really the one behind everything just to torment Gabriel and just because God is a prick and felt like tormenting a human for fun. After all, what are humans to gods? Just meaningless pawns to play with and are expendable.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 03, 2014, 04:41:54 PM
very creepy, disturbing children's cartoon, banned from TV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqi5F5MqqTQ#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 03, 2014, 06:59:41 PM
No, it will be more like: Satan was actually Jesus in disguise the whole time and God is really the one behind everything just to torment Gabriel and just because God is a prick and felt like tormenting a human for fun. After all, what are humans to gods? Just meaningless pawns to play with and are expendable.
Now, THAT would be AWESOME.
Game of the forever if true.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 03, 2014, 08:01:30 PM
Yeah, but there would likely be a huge backlash from the conservative religious community who believe in a just and perfectly good God. Then again, who gives a damn so long as the game isn't banned. Besides, I've heard that in recent years atheism has been on the rise.

So long as the story is told well and the gameplay is good, I couldn't care less about how society feels.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 03, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
Conservative religious people aside, that sounds like an awful ending.

What story does that tell? That life sucks because God is a mean kid with a magnifying glass burning off our feelers and watching us squirm and so Dracula, and by extension Satan, is justified in doing all the awful stuff he does? Thanks but no thanks, I already played God of War, and it did the story way better.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on January 03, 2014, 10:24:16 PM
I also agree that most of the modern day city stuff should be kept hidden, with only small tidbits being released to the public. It'll keep a lot of the game a surprise, unlike what happened with MoF (where Trevor himself should have been kept completely a secret).

The only shame with the release of LoS2 is that I'll be taking another long absence from this board, just like I did with MoF, and mostly LoS. I'll be doing the same from every major gaming website and forum. Best way I can think of to avoid spoilers until I finish the game.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 04, 2014, 12:40:37 AM
No, it will be more like: Satan was actually Jesus in disguise the whole time and God is really the one behind everything just to torment Gabriel and just because God is a prick and felt like tormenting a human for fun. After all, what are humans to gods? Just meaningless pawns to play with and are expendable.

That feels like one of the many stories of Ancient Greek mythology.
I prefer they write something else, I'm too bored of greek myths recently.
But anyway, as long as they don't kill the gameplay. Story is always secondary in Castlevania after all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 04, 2014, 09:18:55 AM
Conservative religious people aside, that sounds like an awful ending.

What story does that tell? That life sucks because God is a mean kid with a magnifying glass burning off our feelers and watching us squirm and so Dracula, and by extension Satan, is justified in doing all the awful stuff he does? Thanks but no thanks, I already played God of War, and it did the story way better.
That would not be a real interpretation of god the same way the game does not takes in a historical place, it could work for this universe where god id powerless by a simple spell and saves his fiercest warrior from death only to let him become a monster. It  could work.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 08, 2014, 06:40:57 AM
Apperently, the part about using a portal to travel between the past and the present is not true. I translated that part correctly, though. The Dutch article is gone as well. Not sure what's up with that.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 08, 2014, 07:10:42 AM
Apperently, the part about using a portal to travel between the past and the present is not true. I translated that part correctly, though. The Dutch article is gone as well. Not sure what's up with that.

Count me relieved. That sounded really awful.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 08, 2014, 07:40:58 AM
The truth will come out in a week, so the wait for new media will finally be over.

Until then, this is me right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mDcZGRKQ_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mDcZGRKQ_M)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 08, 2014, 12:43:26 PM
Maybe we'll get a new trailer too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 08, 2014, 01:16:44 PM
The truth will come out in a week, so the wait for new media will finally be over.

Until then, this is me right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mDcZGRKQ_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mDcZGRKQ_M)

What happens in a week?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 08, 2014, 01:21:03 PM
What happens in a week?

Media blowout, new trailer.
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Post by: crisis on January 08, 2014, 01:52:00 PM
Can I call you Kingshanghai from now on?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 08, 2014, 02:13:07 PM
Can I call you Kingshanghai from now on?

Only if you're nasty. ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 08, 2014, 06:40:03 PM
Media blowout, new trailer.
How did you find this out?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 08, 2014, 06:42:40 PM
How did you find this out?

It is on Dave Cock's Twatter.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 08, 2014, 10:54:04 PM
I didn't see anything about "next week" though. He stated that he would work on a new trailer. Wasn't the embargo supposed to lift today on the 9th of January?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on January 09, 2014, 06:14:19 AM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/09/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-shows-its-dark-side (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/09/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-shows-its-dark-side)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2014, 06:15:08 AM
Hands on inmpressions and first screenshoots of the city.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/09/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-%E2%80%93-mercury-steam-takes-a-second-bite-of-konami%E2%80%99s-bloody-franchise/ (http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/09/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-%E2%80%93-mercury-steam-takes-a-second-bite-of-konami%E2%80%99s-bloody-franchise/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 06:53:19 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20131005024260%2Fsurvival303%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fd2%2FItshappening.gif&hash=61acdc75ab105ebed2c619fdbcbcfc42)

Seriously though, that description of Dracula feeding on those innocent people sounded brutal.

I love it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 09, 2014, 06:54:21 AM
French article with pics. And young Drac in modern city (or so it seems)!

http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00018719-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview.htm#infos (http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00018719-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview.htm#infos)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on January 09, 2014, 06:56:08 AM
http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/09/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-gets-new-modern-day-screens-artwork/ (http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/09/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-gets-new-modern-day-screens-artwork/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2014, 07:14:35 AM
Gameinformer preview

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2/b/xbox360/archive/2014/01/09/battling-satan_1920_s-forces-in-castlevania_3a00_-lords-of-shadow-2.aspx? (http://www.gameinformer.com/games/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2/b/xbox360/archive/2014/01/09/battling-satan_1920_s-forces-in-castlevania_3a00_-lords-of-shadow-2.aspx?)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on January 09, 2014, 08:09:06 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.vg247.com%2Fcurrent%2F%2F2014%2F01%2FCastlevania_lords_of_shadow_2_8.jpg&hash=3ac4ac1620022b5a6a543bbde3ea4364)

Gabriel: Never. I'll never turn back to the Dark Side. You've failed, your highness. I am a Belmont, once more.
The Emperor: [angry] So be it... Belmont!
[BZZZZZT]
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 09, 2014, 08:19:43 AM
The city looks nice and I like the vibe that those screenshots give. Not to sound like a negative nancy, but I once again have to question its presence in a Castlevania game, though. Sorry, I can't help it.  :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 08:25:11 AM
The city looks nice and I like the vibe that those screenshots give. Not to sound like a negative nancy, but I once again have to question it's presence in a Castlevania game, though. Sorry, I can't help it.  :(

What's presence?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 09, 2014, 08:32:16 AM
Very clever.  :-*
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 09, 2014, 09:16:55 AM
From what I'm reading, things are looking very promising for LoS2. I'm just hoping these reviewers aren't jerking us around like Cox does.

Right now, I'd kill for a new gameplay video.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 09, 2014, 09:51:33 AM
That lightning bolt guy might be a version of Shaft. At first I thought it was Zobek but Zobek has hair

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jerking us around like Cox does.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2014, 10:13:10 AM
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Bum: "Sup brah."
Dracula: "I haven't the slightest idea what you've just said just now."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on January 09, 2014, 10:17:43 AM
They keep saying Lords of Shadow 2, but I keep seeing things that remind me more of Blood Omen 2 on a grander scale.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 09, 2014, 10:21:35 AM
The city looks a lot more futuristic that I thought it would be.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 09, 2014, 10:31:40 AM
Holy God the city looks better than expected. Bravo!
And the old guy looks like just resurrected Satan.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 09, 2014, 10:33:40 AM
Finally, we got some new infos. And man do these sound awesome. I cannot wait to play the game. The City Looks really good and I like the gothic vibe it gives of with all the spires in the background.
I think the bold guy who attacks Gabriel with electricity is one of the aformentioned Acolytes that we need to defeat. It definiately is not Zobek, since he Looks different and attacks with green coloured magic.
The French article mentioned a nice puzzle: We need to place decorations on a theater stage based on a narration in the background. 
There will be mini games which are optional and grant you rewards like a shooter game where you Need to shoot some targets.
The already known sneaking sections were mentioned in several articles and seem to be well designed. For example you need to possess rats and bite on a cable. Thus a technician will arrive in order to repair said cable. You possess the technician and use him to pass a security door.
Look at this Screen:
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Another puppet being placed in the same room as the one that resembles a flea. Thus I assume that the Boss fight against the Toy Maker will be way more epic than I thought: You will Need to destroy several puppets. You know what this reminds me of? It clearly resembles the Ganon Puppet Boss in Zelda Wind Waker. :D
All in all I look forward to this game. It will be a great experience.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 09, 2014, 10:53:43 AM
The bald guy description says "Satan Acolyte"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on January 09, 2014, 12:13:29 PM
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1. We taking it to the strees the only thing that could top this is if there were a seven eleven because all beefs are at a seven eleven  :P

2. It seems that we will team up Victor so that's interesting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 09, 2014, 12:22:25 PM
Now that I got a good look at Victor, his anatomy is bugging me. He's got pinhead syndrome like Gabriel from LoS.

The city looks great, pretty much how I imagined it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on January 09, 2014, 12:28:14 PM
They keep saying Lords of Shadow 2, but I keep seeing things that remind me more of Blood Omen 2 on a grander scale.

I've said that as well and it will play better than BO2(He has the same powers as Kain too) as well speaking of when Los2 comes out, there should be a deathbattle between Kain and Dracula. Who would win?

Now that I got a good look at Victor, his anatomy is bugging me. He's got pinhead syndrome like Gabriel from LoS.

The city looks great, pretty much how I imagined it.

Why does Victor remind me of that guy from the last of us I never played it but my friend has iirc.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 09, 2014, 12:30:07 PM
The city doesn't look that bad, glad we FINALLY got to see more of it, would love a gampelay video right about now.

I just don't like the how the exploration aspect of it keeps getting somewhat downplayed by Cox and others, are we going to be able to travel freely around or not?

Also, that bald guy has to be this series version of Shaft, the only difference here is he is a acolyte of Satan rather than Dracula, hence why he is zapping him in that one pic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on January 09, 2014, 12:33:39 PM
So maybe an open world was too much for ms then? Would not be the first time they cut down on stuff I remember MoF having things with the 3ds camera iirc.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 01:02:28 PM
It's probably about as open world as Darksiders 2

I remember MoF having things with the 3ds camera iirc.

I thought that was rumor
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2014, 01:28:50 PM
Oh I almost forgot, "he" appeared on /v/ again.

He says that Mercurysteam's next project is a sci fi action game for the PS4 and XB1.*coughcontracough*

And as for the future of Castlevania, he says that it's in the hands of Konami Japan now.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 09, 2014, 01:29:47 PM
Oh I almost forgot, "he" appeared on /v/ again.

He says that Mercurysteam's next project is a sci fi action game for the PS4 and XB1.*coughcontracough*

And as for the future of Castlevania, he says that it's in the hands of Konami Japan now.

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Wait, Konami of Japan? HUH? O____O
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 01:33:38 PM
And as for the future of Castlevania, he says that it's in the hands of Konami Japan now.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 09, 2014, 01:48:17 PM
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I really hope that they don't turn Castlevania in anime again
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 09, 2014, 01:49:08 PM
Sorry, I didn't know how to use the spoiler button
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 09, 2014, 02:04:56 PM
I call bullshit on that rumor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 02:11:57 PM
Has he been wrong yet? I can't remember all of his claims.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 09, 2014, 02:21:24 PM
2D Castlevania is really dead, isn't it? :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
2D Castlevania is really dead, isn't it? :(

Not necessarily.

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Post by: KaZudra on January 09, 2014, 03:22:55 PM
Nice News, but Montioring Cox's twitter reveals one big thing, he's being super quiet about MoF PC
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 09, 2014, 03:40:19 PM
2D Castlevania is really dead, isn't it? :(

Possibly not, but the original canon may be considering they apparently want to continue to milk the LOS saga.

But this is just a rumor at the moment.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on January 09, 2014, 03:41:14 PM
A prequel..?

Well that could be one of two things.

1. A Gabriel focused game that takes place pre-LoS, similar to how the MoF prologue was before LoS. Some other random demon will be the main bad guy, ending will be more standard fare Cv shit since he wont become dracula yet. maybe the ending seways into the murder of marie at his own hands.

2. A game about the founders, which I would be ALL for. I still want playable Zobek.

Nice News, but Montioring Cox's twitter reveals one big thing, he's being super quiet about MoF PC

From what i hear, they are not releasing it right along with the console versions because they want to release it later on "eventually" basically.

my bet's on a PC release around the time of LoS2's release.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 09, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
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Gabriel: Never. I'll never turn back to the Dark Side. You've failed, your highness. I am a Belmont, once more.
The Emperor: [angry] So be it... Belmont!
[BZZZZZT]

Reminds me too much of Zaed from Curse of Darkness

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So maybe an open world was too much for ms then? Would not be the first time they cut down on stuff I remember MoF having things with the 3ds camera iirc.

It is probably as open world as Vampire's Masquerade - Bloodlines. Small, yet explorable but of course this game will be bigger in Size. I'm expecting Vice City or Infamous or just More buildings like Vampire's Masquarade.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 09, 2014, 03:43:22 PM
If Konami of Japan does get the series they should either make their own reboot or go back to the original canon IMO.

The LOS series was MercurySteam's thing, most of their fans probably would not feel at ease with Konami of Japan getting it anyway after LOS2, we already have members saying stuff about hoping that they don't turn the LOS series into a anime...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 09, 2014, 03:47:17 PM
Oh I almost forgot, "he" appeared on /v/ again.

He says that Mercurysteam's next project is a sci fi action game for the PS4 and XB1.*coughcontracough*

And as for the future of Castlevania, he says that it's in the hands of Konami Japan now.

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I never would have imagined  ;D

There was even a meeting that was considered a bit "rough" for some "insistence/threat excessive by Konami JP, pressuring MS to continue with LOS ..... money call money..
Even talk year and a half ago (and now remains a possibility) the purchase of MS by Konami to have full control over future projects.

If Konami of Japan does get the series they should either make their own reboot or go back to the original canon IMO.

The LOS series was MercurySteam's thing, most of their fans probably would not feel at ease with Konami of Japan getting it anyway after LOS2, we already have members saying stuff about hoping that they don't turn the LOS series into a anime...

I'm with you. A LOS designed and made in Japan would be as hard as a SOTN done in the West.
Everyone who do what you do best. But other Western studies of Konami ...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
I'd actually kind of like to see Konami JP give a LoS game a try.

Personally, I'm kind of done with the old canon. Maybe not if they made a 1999 game, but everyone knows that's not going to be able to live up to the hype. At the same time, I don't want ANOTHER reboot since this one only lasted three games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 09, 2014, 04:24:55 PM


Personally, I'm kind of done with the old canon. Maybe not if they made a 1999 game, but everyone knows that's not going to be able to live up to the hype. At the same time, I don't want ANOTHER reboot since this one only lasted three games.

Well just to point out, the Nolan Batman film series only lasted three films and they where pretty darn popular.

I personally think a good cut off for a reboot series is 3 entries.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 04:34:24 PM
Well just to point out, the Nolan Batman film series only lasted three films and they where pretty darn popular.

I personally think a good cut off for a reboot series is 3 entries.

Movies =/= games

I can't think of a movie series that has 18 entries, which is how many games there were in the old canon with a unique plot, and that's not counting the ones that were retconned out of it.

EDIT: Well, there is James Bond

EDIT EDIT: Additionally, the original Batman movie series was only 4 movies long, so it's not like there was a precedent for a long series
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 09, 2014, 04:49:23 PM
Well, if the franchise is going back into the hands of Konami Japan, I really hope they don't do continue the LoS saga. LoS is a western imagining and I don't think the people of Japan fully understand western culture well enough to do a good job. That said, I really don't think the LoS saga should be continued. It was meant to be 3 games, and it should stay as it was intended. If anything more is done with it, I could only see a prequel. And, if the happens, I think that MS should make it. The LoS saga was their imagining, they should be the ones to decide when it is concluded.

In reality, I would prefer it if Konami Japan just rebooted the series again, or if they gave it to another developer to reboot it and do their own thing. The old canon is dead and LoS is coming to a close with LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 09, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
I'm confused how some of yous say you won't want Konami to return to the old canon because "there's nothing left to explain/show, we already know what happens etc." but a prequel to LoS would be just as much redundant, because likewise we already know what happened to the Brotherhood, how things came to be, etc. so yeah. At that point it just boils down to, do you prefer coke or pepsi.


The best bet I think would be for them to make a canon that mirrors the classic timeline/story but doesn't strictly adhere to it. Ya know the same basic idea that was introduced in CVIII and onwards, Trevor being the first to kill Dracula, etc. but include a new take on things, different plots, gameplay, etc. That way it'll still feel familiar, yet new at the same time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 09, 2014, 05:02:43 PM
Movies =/= games

I can't think of a movie series that has 18 entries, which is how many games there were in the old canon with a unique plot, and that's not counting the ones that were retconned out of it.

EDIT: Well, there is James Bond

EDIT EDIT: Additionally, the original Batman movie series was only 4 movies long, so it's not like there was a precedent for a long series

well doesn't matter film series,video games, tv shows or whatever, I was giving my personal opinion on reboots in general.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 09, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
I just want more ClassicVania.

Timeline, reboot, whatever. Just don't kill off the Castlevania I love, I beg of you Konami, LoS is neat but it doesn't have much to do with what I love about this series in the first place; the gameplay.
The best bet I think would be for them to make a canon that mirrors the classic timeline/story but doesn't strictly adhere to it. Ya know the same basic idea that was introduced in CVIII and onwards, Trevor being the first to kill Dracula, etc. but include a new take on things, different plots, gameplay, etc. That way it'll still feel familiar, yet new at the same time.
This is what I would really like to see happen. I didn't think they would ever go back to the old canon, but a fresh start again that gets this series back to what I love about it would be great.

LoS is done after LoS2, Dracula's story is finished. After LoS1 I learned my lesson about Castlevanias without Dracula in it. LoS3 being a prequel doesn't interest me at all, nor does an LoS3 for that matter.

I apologize if I come off as entitled in tone, but I'm just upset there is a possibility Konami is going to milk LoS after all. I had a feeling it would happen, but I wanted to hope it wouldn't.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2014, 05:12:23 PM
I wonder who this guy is? For a second I thought it was Dracula hopped up on roids:

Quote from:
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Could be another vampire variation like the high vampires in MoF.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 09, 2014, 05:14:38 PM
To be honest a prequel of LoS with the origin of the lords, the bernhardts and frankenstein and the necromancer wars sounds good. But so does the demon castle wars so whatever.

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And I personally hope MercurySteam is bhought by Konami, they need an ambitious studio and Kinami gives them freedom they won't get in another publisher (that loves focus testing).

I think a second team of MS could keeo making castlevania game (the one from Mirror of Fate)

I dunno, future is equally uncertain and exciting for sure, anyway, we need this game to be a success.


Eeeh that guy is certainly Satan.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 09, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
But Satan doesn't wear pants
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2014, 05:26:12 PM


Eeeh that guy is certainly Satan.

Could be, probably took those 1000 years of time to pump some serious iron to look like that.

Another thought that he could be another one of Satan's children, we've already seen the daughter after all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on January 09, 2014, 05:44:01 PM
WTF?!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHl4GLPn.jpg&hash=61def9a690182392deae0c3a49f7382e)
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Post by: crisis on January 09, 2014, 05:54:47 PM
it's a Hellgate /dmc
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Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2014, 05:55:39 PM
Looks more like he wandered on the set of Deus Ex.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 09, 2014, 06:12:22 PM
WTF?!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHl4GLPn.jpg&hash=61def9a690182392deae0c3a49f7382e)
That screen gets me all funny. The same with the one in the army base. My brain can't compute it, really.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 09, 2014, 06:27:06 PM
I like how there is Kitchen cupboards, stools, a possible microwave, coffee mugs and coffee machine in the picture and then to top it off, there's this huge dark prism and Prince of Darkness in it. #CASTLEVANIA
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Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
I sometimes wonder if Gabriel thinks to himself "How did I even get here? One moment im just doing Gods work as a brotherhood soldier, the next minute im a vampire strolling down the streets of a large city."
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 09, 2014, 06:42:11 PM
The bald guy description says "Satan Acolyte"
I hope they actually give him a name. Satan Acolyte sound so generic. I actually don't like that, which they did in the first one.
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I mean, I just think, if the character is significant to be put into "boss status", just give him a unique name. Hell, even
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Same for MoF, like the Daemon Lord. Daemon Lord is "what" it is, but I would've like to know WHO it is. Wouldn't it be stupid if you fought someone called the "Human King". LOL! I mean, there are hundreds of demons and monsters in worldly lore to choose from. All 72 demons from Ars Goetia are up for grabs, dammit. I would've been content with any of them if they were fitting of the beast.

That being said, bosses like Necromancer or Succubus don't bother me. They are usually a class above, and they are already rooted int he CV series.

Not necessarily.

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Post by: crisis on January 09, 2014, 06:54:19 PM
Ironic how they call certain characters generic titles "Silver Warrior" and "Black Knight," yet waste good names/homages such as Olrox and Brauner on even MORE generic-looking bat demons. Go figure!
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 09, 2014, 07:02:19 PM
.....why are you guys using spoiler tags when discussing a rumor?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 09, 2014, 07:13:55 PM
I sometimes wonder if Gabriel thinks to himself "How did I even get here? One moment im just doing Gods work as a brotherhood soldier, the next minute im a vampire strolling down the streets of a large city."
And exorcising coffee mugs. Being Dracula is hard.
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Post by: e105beta on January 09, 2014, 08:13:42 PM
I'm confused how some of yous say you won't want Konami to return to the old canon because "there's nothing left to explain/show, we already know what happens etc." but a prequel to LoS would be just as much redundant, because likewise we already know what happened to the Brotherhood, how things came to be, etc. so yeah. At that point it just boils down to, do you prefer coke or pepsi.

Since I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who said anything like that, I'll reply

Not the same thing. Not for me at least.

It's not about "knowing what happens". It's that the old canon is fleshed out. We have an origin, we have an ending, we have every major 100 year Belmont, we have early resurrections in between, we have non-Belmont side stories, and we have remakes. The only thing REALLY missing is Demon Castle Wars, and maybe 400 years between Leon and Trevor where they could put in an Alucard origin story. That's two games, and I'm sure nobody at Konami wants to deal with the hype machine that is Demon Castle Wars. Other than that, I'd rather just see them retire the timeline. It tells its story. Let it be done.

On the other hand, a founder prequel to LoS could actually be a game with a potentially interesting gameplay mechanic ala CVIII/Trine with a lot of backstory that hasn't been delved into yet. Does it matter that I know how it ends? No, not really, because that's typically the case with a prequel. And if they didn't want to do a prequel, there's probably 500-800 years in between the LoS2 demo and when he wakes up in the future in which to place a game. The difference is there's an untapped rebooted universe vs a universe that's already been pretty fleshed out.

Disagree with me if you want, fine, but it's not just "coke or pepsi".
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Post by: Bergaron on January 09, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
Errr not... It is a .. is a living laboratory of a pharmaceutical company propidad Zobek, there you find the first servant of Satan (the "woman" of himself to the head and tentacles in the white coat, which we can see on the pictures).

So no, not a kitchen and if it has to do with history.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on January 09, 2014, 08:57:14 PM
I got it! Basically this whole thing is a drug trip. Everything is an illusion. When Dracula (User) beats Satan (The Intoxication) you basically beat the game and then see the SHOCKING TWIST!

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Post by: Ahasverus on January 09, 2014, 09:21:21 PM
I'm not against the kitchen, I actually liked, it's a juxtaposition but I think that's kinda the idea, this game is trying things that have never be attempted and probable never will. I personally want it to go nuts at everything.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on January 09, 2014, 09:45:09 PM
Yeah, exactly. Impress me. I'm all about that life. This is still a Castlevania game with Vampires, Dracula, Belmonts, Heaven vs Hell, etc. It doesn't have to be the cliche of its medium.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 09, 2014, 10:28:31 PM
Wow. Such a sudden explosion of posts.

I love the look of the city. The kitchen is interesting. Everything is an illusion in Gabe's mind. Yeah, he is on an acid trip. hehehe.

So, Konami Japan will further milk the LOS franchise. damn. And here I was hoping for something other than LOS.
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Post by: SaibotMK on January 09, 2014, 10:34:24 PM
Between this information and everything I just read in this thread I am pumped  :o

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2/b/ps3/archive/2013/12/16/a-closer-look-at-dracula-39-s-vampiric-powers.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/games/castlevania_lords_of_shadow_2/b/ps3/archive/2013/12/16/a-closer-look-at-dracula-39-s-vampiric-powers.aspx)

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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 09, 2014, 10:38:15 PM
Be wary of too much hype.
You might deflate if the game delivers less that what it promised.
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Post by: Munchy on January 09, 2014, 11:16:10 PM
I'm not against the kitchen, I actually liked, it's a juxtaposition but I think that's kinda the idea, this game is trying things that have never be attempted and probable never will. I personally want it to go nuts at everything.

This is basically my thought on the game. I love the complete wackiness of demons piloting mechs and Satan owning corporations like a demonic Mr. X from Streets of Rage.

I'm definitely looking forward to it... and I hope Konami is wise and doesn't turn LoS into the next IGAvania series by milking it for almost a decade until people are sick of it.

My personal hope/guess for the basic plot arch goes like this:

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Post by: Chernabogue on January 10, 2014, 12:22:29 AM
On one screenshot with Victor, we can see a burning car on the right. So he's the modern day Belmont?
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Post by: mzubailah on January 10, 2014, 12:25:51 AM
Guys ! , This interview has new footage from both modern times and Past
AND IT LOOKS WICKED !
http://www.news10.net/entertainment/gameguys/article/268114/244/Konamis-Cox-talks-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-next-gen-possibilities (http://www.news10.net/entertainment/gameguys/article/268114/244/Konamis-Cox-talks-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-next-gen-possibilities)
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Post by: Little Dracula on January 10, 2014, 12:35:19 AM
Developer Diary 1.

http://youtu.be/afp6mLa6BPw (http://youtu.be/afp6mLa6BPw)
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 10, 2014, 12:44:32 AM
In that new footage, Dracula looks brutal as fuck.
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Post by: Dremn on January 10, 2014, 12:54:48 AM
Guys ! , This interview has new footage from both modern times and Past
AND IT LOOKS WICKED !
http://www.news10.net/entertainment/gameguys/article/268114/244/Konamis-Cox-talks-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-next-gen-possibilities (http://www.news10.net/entertainment/gameguys/article/268114/244/Konamis-Cox-talks-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-next-gen-possibilities)
Looking good, better than expected.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 10, 2014, 02:22:30 AM
I didn't know there were Zerg in LOS 2. :D Btw why are the Zerg creatures fighting he mech in the beginning of the Video? I thought both of them are part of Satan's Forces.

Also were did you get that artwork of the winged Satan like guy? I didn't find it in the new screenshots.
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 10, 2014, 02:51:32 AM
I didn't know there were Zerg in LOS 2. :D Btw why are the Zerg creatures fighting he mech in the beginning of the Video? I thought both of them are part of Satan's Forces.

Also were did you get that artwork of the winged Satan like guy? I didn't find it in the new screenshots.
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Castlevania:_Lords_of_Shadow_2/Gallery#January_2014 (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Castlevania:_Lords_of_Shadow_2/Gallery#January_2014)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 10, 2014, 04:36:58 AM
The news that Konami of Japan is taking back the series is very nice, but words cannot express my disappointment if they would make a reduntant prequel to a storyline that the original creators already declared to need no further expanding. What happend to their plans of Castlevania having no set in stone history anymore? That sounded very exciting to me.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 10, 2014, 04:58:55 AM
Rumors, lol.
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Post by: crisis on January 10, 2014, 05:19:37 AM
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It's not about "knowing what happens". It's that the old canon is fleshed out. We have an origin, we have an ending, we have every major 100 year Belmont, we have early resurrections in between, we have non-Belmont side stories, and we have remakes. The only thing REALLY missing is Demon Castle Wars, and maybe 400 years between Leon and Trevor where they could put in an Alucard origin story. That's two games, and I'm sure nobody at Konami wants to deal with the hype machine that is Demon Castle Wars. Other than that, I'd rather just see them retire the timeline. It tells its story. Let it be done.

Cox described the LoS series like that of a book; LoS1 is the beginning, MoF is the in-between, LoS2 is the end. Like you said it too tells its story, and by Cox own admission it's gonna be done. So what difference will it make if there was a prequel or not? It's kinda like how Bram Stoker's great grand-nephew decided to write a sequel to Dracula, called "The Undead." At that point it's just them milking the cow even more. You don't want to see a couple games in the 400 years between LoI and CVIII, or 1999, but you want a LoS3 prequel instead?

Even if they did a LoS3 prequel featuring the Brotherhood with young Zobek, Carmilla, etc. that just means there will be no Belmont [since Gabriel was the first], obviously no Dracula, just the Bernhard castle and monsters. We'll have Brotherhood vs. not Dracula aka Walter, and at that point it's debatable whether it could still be called a true Castlevania, only in name, because it wont feature the 2 main draws in any way, no matter how anyone cuts it. It's just a side-story, and all that was explained in the Brotherhood scrolls anyway. Fruity Pebbles or Cocoa Pebbles
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 10, 2014, 05:37:02 AM
Why are we discussing These things when there is a ton of stuff to discuss about (new informations that have been revealed)?
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Post by: e105beta on January 10, 2014, 07:08:07 AM
Cox described the LoS series like that of a book; LoS1 is the beginning, MoF is the in-between, LoS2 is the end. Like you said it too tells its story, and by Cox own admission it's gonna be done. So what difference will it make if there was a prequel or not? It's kinda like how Bram Stoker's great grand-nephew decided to write a sequel to Dracula, called "The Undead." At that point it's just them milking the cow even more. You don't want to see a couple games in the 400 years between LoI and CVIII, or 1999, but you want a LoS3 prequel instead?

I actually said I wouldn't mind seeing a Alucard origin story or the 1999 game, I'm just disputing the "Great, LoS is done, now let's go back to the main canon" because while there are opportunities, they're running out of space. I'd rather see them stick with a new universe where there actually is a good bit of room to add in new Belmont stories as well as an interesting premise for a prequel. No, it's not "bleh or blah" because the opportunities are definitely different.

But you can have this one. Let's talk about the new game at hand.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AM
Well I welcome any side stories in any timeline so I don't get mad. And I still stand for the Dracula-Belmont less series in a different mythology. It seems some are more open than others.
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Post by: crisis on January 10, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
What I really hope for is that they (Konami of Japan), should they reboot the saga again, slightly follow the basic outline of the old canon mythology, which is that of Trevor being the first to slay Dracula, his ancestor Christopher being the next, so on and so forth. But at the same time having the freedom to alter the plot as they see fit, as well as gameplay. I wouldn't want them to take the LoS-route by fusing characters together or drastically changing them (Trevor+Alucard, Leon+Mathias, etc.) just for the sake of plot twist. Keep it simple. New narratives featuring Trevor, Sypha, etc. would be cool, I'd love to see a "new take" on HoD or RoB, but with freedom to include new stories with new characters (they can easily ignore the "100 year rule" if they want). I guess like a "classic canon remix" version of games I don't know how else to describe it
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 10, 2014, 09:01:39 AM
Nah, the classic tale is already told, I want brand new characters. But a classic remix would be good too. In fact I'd like anything lol
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Post by: Bergaron on January 10, 2014, 09:10:42 AM
Konami has yet to close the old canon to start the new "open line". That almost certainly will milk LOS ... nobody leaves a game exist without spinning .. at least the producer. But that does not mean at all that LOS3 is will be the next "official" Castlevania .., I tell the next (regardless of economic adventures LOS3) is for the Japanese market.
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Post by: e105beta on January 10, 2014, 09:20:40 AM
I just want new characters with new stories. I actually liked the alternate take on existing characters that LoS did (well, maybe not Brauner and Olrox) but I want to see new Belmonts or side family members doing new things. I'd prefer they stick with whip wielders, though a Johnathan-esque fighter wouldn't be bad. They don't even have to be fighting Dracula for all I care. I'd be interested to see what the Belmont that never got to fight Dracula does in his spare time. If they go back to the old canon, who did the pre-Trevor Belmonts fight? LoS-wise, what did all the Belmonts between Simon and Victor do?

In regards to the footage, the combat looks really smooth and flashy, but the Zerg-beasts actually seem more out of place than the mechs. It's like in Turf, which I doubt anyone here has read, when the vampires fought the alien bootleggers.

Konami has yet to close the old canon to start the new "open line". That almost certainly will milk LOS ... nobody leaves a game exist without spinning .. at least the producer. But that does not mean at all that LOS3 is will be the next "official" Castlevania .., I tell the next (regardless of economic adventures LOS3) is for the Japanese market.

I'm not sure it going to Japan means they'll be making it for the Japanese "market", and I use quotes because Japan is not where Konami gets even close to the bulk of their Castlevania sales.
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 10, 2014, 09:31:46 AM
The winged monster is Satan, it's confirmed on Facebook.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 10, 2014, 09:42:01 AM
The winged monster is Satan, it's confirmed on Facebook.

The underworld must have excellent trainers, he looks like he's ready to go 100 rounds with a mutant alligator.

What a difference 1000 years make:

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Post by: Ahasverus on January 10, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
The underworld must have excellent trainers, he looks like he's ready to go 100 rounds with a mutant alligator.

What a difference 1000 years
Well he lifted.

Konami has yet to close the old canon to start the new "open line". That almost certainly will milk LOS ... nobody leaves a game exist without spinning .. at least the producer. But that does not mean at all that LOS3 is will be the next "official" Castlevania .., I tell the next (regardless of economic adventures LOS3) is for the Japanese market.
So the new game will be an Akumajou? Interesting! 3DS I bet.
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Post by: crisis on January 10, 2014, 11:39:24 AM
I guess it's also possible the rumored game could be in the same style of LoS, but not necessarily follow the same storyline.
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Post by: Dremn on January 10, 2014, 12:14:07 PM
I guess it's also possible the rumored game could be in the same style of LoS, but not necessarily follow the same storyline.
I would love to see the series salvage the art direction of LoS, but go back to the original gameplay.
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 10, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
Lots of new LoS2 stuff and no one bats an eye. Some random dude casts a rumor on the Internet, and everyone loses their mind.

lol  ;D
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Post by: Dremn on January 10, 2014, 12:58:17 PM
Lots of new LoS2 stuff and no one bats an eye. Some random dude casts a rumor on the Internet, and everyone loses their mind.

lol  ;D

I'm a terrible fan, I know. v___v
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 10, 2014, 01:11:17 PM
The winged monster is Satan, it's confirmed on Facebook.

Bit of a letdown for me, while he does look more dangerous now I still was hoping that he would have a more "modern" look, maybe a business suit and a ponytail.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 10, 2014, 02:19:42 PM
Do you think this will be Satan's only form or will he transform?
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Post by: Kingshango on January 10, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Bit of a letdown for me, while he does look more dangerous now I still was hoping that he would have a more "modern" look, maybe a business suit and a ponytail.

Look on the bright side, at least he had the courtesy to cover his lower regions with something other than black smoke. (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fmanny.png&hash=6bc82c2a89a1ae26de18eaad927d0c6f)
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Post by: Nagumo on January 10, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Konami has yet to close the old canon to start the new "open line". That almost certainly will milk LOS ... nobody leaves a game exist without spinning .. at least the producer. But that does not mean at all that LOS3 is will be the next "official" Castlevania .., I tell the next (regardless of economic adventures LOS3) is for the Japanese market.

Is that a guess or do you know something more?
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on January 10, 2014, 05:03:41 PM
http://www.news10.net/entertainment/gameguys/article/268114/244/Konamis-Cox-talks-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-next-gen-possibilities (http://www.news10.net/entertainment/gameguys/article/268114/244/Konamis-Cox-talks-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-next-gen-possibilities)

I approve this message...

Tons of new LOS2 pics in game on the LOS2 facebook page...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FM7jW0Si.jpg&hash=82579bccb20f1962a66dbc25642fa19c)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLyemO2K.jpg&hash=8340ec8b22e4cb7d28bb5141feab9d51)
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Post by: Flame on January 10, 2014, 05:38:37 PM
Gotta say this is looking amazing. I'm loving that gameplay too
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Post by: crisis on January 10, 2014, 05:44:49 PM
the video's not working for me, wtf Flame  >:(
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 10, 2014, 05:51:05 PM
Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Gameplay Preview - Castlevania LoS2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcPeA3Ou00E#ws)


Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - NEW GAMEPLAY! Modern Day Setting + interview w Dave cox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G5i0JKzvos#ws)
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Post by: Flame on January 10, 2014, 06:07:00 PM
the video's not working for me, wtf Flame  >:(
I didn't post one...

EDIT: Now I did.

Interview with Dave Cox regarding Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9HENY3G90I#ws)
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 10, 2014, 06:25:11 PM
So my question for the day is does a game sale from a media blowout a month away from release especially when during all this time there was so little information? LOS2 has had no hype what's so ever since when the VGA's right and the vengeance trailer?
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Post by: Bergaron on January 10, 2014, 06:33:30 PM
Is that a guess or do you know something more?

What I know :

1) The decision that LOS is the last LOS (for MS) took nearly two years ago.

2) Shortly after, Konami began to think about the future (at that time LOS had no as important as now for Konami)

3) Last trips to Japan from MS and Cox ( recently) was to discuss the new project and to discuss the launch of LOS2 . At this point I have to say that change their policy , they went on to say that the PC version is the "next -gen" , did not expect sales of such large consoles XBONE and PS4 , (almost 7 million and this Christmas many more . . ) have concern about whether these sales may affect sales of the game . Why let a little more freedom to the PC version ( these months improved a little ) and they say it's the most graphically spectacular . ( Although the PS3 version I've seen looks very good .. ) . Try guide or encourage as PC sales to fear about possible few customers Xbox360 and PS3.

4) Contrary to what is being rumored on NeoGAF by Cox misinterpreted statements about the PC version , they will not make a version for next-gen , the reasons are clear .. does not make sense to take out a next-gen game that came out a year ago for other platforms with just a few graphic improvements (60fps , full HD) , the authentic fans will already have purchased in other formats. If it were to attract new fans because it would not make sense that would have a game without LOS1 and MoF.

Did this discarded? no, but not for MS, maybe Konami do, but not something that is on the table, especially since both Xbone and PS4 may play LOS2 "virtually". Sales would be small and the great effort, it is something that is very clear and MS Cox. But what Konami do in one or two years .. only they know (anyone said FFX HD? :)

5) Returning to the original question, Konami began searching options for the future, the resurgence of the Castlevania name gave opportunities to retake other projects, there is a project out there for portable platforms,  Konami are very big heads lately with LOS but ... no study has begun to LOS3 .. Enriz Alvarez give them the LORE before Gabriel. But there is 0 LOS3 fact (have not even started yet ... the LOS2 DLC). Two years it would take to get a set of quality of LOS if they start now. Unless Konami milking LOS doing a shit for "Live" and "Plus" (which can be done in 8 months). So Konami bet on what they had initially thought, does an old game canon? I do not know. But right now is more likely to succeed where they have, also not risk much Konami (Kojima is no longer there to risk instead). If this new game succeeds is possible to suggest Konami that there is life farther than LOS in Castlevania.

My personal bet, if there will be a different castlevania soon, but Konami will also squeeze LOS at least one more game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 10, 2014, 06:52:54 PM
So my question for the day is does a game sale from a media blowout a month away from release especially when during all this time there was so little information? LOS2 has had no hype what's so ever since when the VGA's right and the vengeance trailer?
I was just wondering how high the pre-order rate is for LoS2 compared to LoS1, I feel like a lot of people probably aren't aware that the game releases next month.

I like the new footage we've gotten but I definitely need more right now, especially when it's so close to release. All I know is it's a LoS sequel and it's going to be way darker.
What I know :
[long post]
If there is a portable game in the works I have a feeling it will be a new Akumajo or something else, Konami probably won't try LoS on portables again because of MoF's lackluster sales and reception. Maybe Metroidvania isn't dead.

LoS3 sounds like it would definitely be about the war leading up to LoS1. Nothing about that lore makes it sound like a fitting Castlevania game, sounds like it would be made just for LoS fans.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 10, 2014, 07:17:11 PM
LoS3 sounds like it would definitely be about the war leading up to LoS1. Nothing about that lore makes it sound like a fitting Castlevania game, sounds like it would be made just for LoS fans.
Eeeh I'd take it.

Thank you Bergaron, you're the best thing that has happened to this forum ina  long long time :)

(click to show/hide)

And I'm looking forward to the new Akumajou.
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Post by: KaZudra on January 10, 2014, 07:38:12 PM
So I was Going over an interview + Demo Gameplay where Cox would answer questions, one thing jumped out to me, where the interviewer mentions that LoS2 is the Second installment of a Planned Trilogy, unmistakenly mentioning MoF right afterwards, Cox Didn't Dismiss the Reporter, Could this mean LoS3 is secretly in the works? or that another Developer is going to take charge of finishing it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgk6HRw1kA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxgk6HRw1kA)
Stating it at 8:55

makes me wonder...

This was August, LoS3, Been there, done that.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 10, 2014, 08:06:28 PM
So my question for the day is does a game sale from a media blowout a month away from release especially when during all this time there was so little information? LOS2 has had no hype what's so ever since when the VGA's right and the vengeance trailer?

Count me interested to see what happens.

LoS didn't have a lot of media surrounding it pre-release, arguably less than LoS2, and LoS2 has managed to at least settle itself on the "Games we're looking forward to" lists of various websites. At the same time, LoS didn't have to fight a next-gen battle, so that could affect sales a lot.

Depends on how many people trashed their old consoles after upgrading, really.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 10, 2014, 08:12:11 PM
Remember that long 8 minute trailer we got for LoS1? Wish we would get one like that for this game.

For those who don't know what I'm talking about:

Castlevania Lords of Shadow - Hideo Kojima Special Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1kNvUnvt3w#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 10, 2014, 08:22:45 PM
Hideo made that trailer, I hope he does a new one (and the chuácabra's voice haha)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on January 10, 2014, 08:27:22 PM
Dat Satan voice

I love Jason Isaacs, but damn that's a nice Satan voice.

That said, the trailer all but spoils the entire game
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on January 10, 2014, 08:29:45 PM
May contain SPOILERS

http://www.relyonhorror.com/in-depth/interview-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-producer-talks-about-plot-influences-dracula-and-victor-belmont/ (http://www.relyonhorror.com/in-depth/interview-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-producer-talks-about-plot-influences-dracula-and-victor-belmont/)

Audio interview with Cox, 18 min.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 10, 2014, 08:32:59 PM
All they need to do is invest a little bread into a decent commercial, that will get everyone's attention. But DON'T make it like LoS1's [Japanese-only] commercial:

Castlevania Lords of Shadow commercial PS3 sony playstation3 JP jpn japanese japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u6fsFnS6sM#ws)

seriously wtf was that about? lol


the last CV commercial we got in the USA was for Lament of Innocence, and I thought it was pretty cool:

CASTLEVANIA: LAMENT of INNOCENCE- 2003 Television Commercial #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBpON5Mv87o#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 10, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
http://www.relyonhorror.com/in-depth/interview-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-producer-talks-about-plot-influences-dracula-and-victor-belmont/ (http://www.relyonhorror.com/in-depth/interview-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-producer-talks-about-plot-influences-dracula-and-victor-belmont/)

Audio interview with Cox, 18 min.
Cox was trying to be really careful about spoilers in that, but I ended up hearing things I probably shouldn't have heard yet.

Just a warning to you guys if you do listen to this.
the last CV commercial we got in the USA was for Lament of Innocence, and I thought it was pretty cool:

CASTLEVANIA: LAMENT of INNOCENCE- 2003 Television Commercial #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBpON5Mv87o#)
Wow, this takes me back. I remember seeing this commercial a lot before I even got into the series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 10, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
I don't know if I wanna hear 18 min of this but put spoiler tags because I do want to know.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 10, 2014, 09:54:57 PM
The audio interview is interesting but yeah it has some spoilers in there regarding some enemies and stuff.
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Post by: Munchy on January 11, 2014, 12:44:55 AM
So the new game will be an Akumajou? Interesting! 3DS I bet.

They seem to have switched back to Akumajo for localizing LoS2. I imagine because it's more brand recognition and the whole "Is Dracula in it?" cat is well out of the bag now.

Also, a Japan-made LoS3 sounds intriguingly weird. A Japanese take on a European take on a Japanese take on American horror movies and European mythology. It'd be extremely hard for it not to look completely disjointed next to the other three games though, especially if the last game makes the series as open-and-shut as Cox says.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 11, 2014, 01:34:18 AM
History of Castlevania (Spanish)
Loquendo - Linea Cronológica de Castlevania (Parte 1).mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XKcDI_GD-k#ws)

Very good, I laughed a lot, I did not remember some details like "Castlevania Legends" :)
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Post by: Little Dracula on January 11, 2014, 08:07:16 AM
History of Castlevania (Spanish)
Loquendo - Linea Cronológica de Castlevania (Parte 1).mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XKcDI_GD-k#ws)

Very good, I laughed a lot, I did not remember some details like "Castlevania Legends" :)



Nice stuff but the "loqueando" voice ruin it for me :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jigru0511 on January 11, 2014, 08:43:47 AM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on January 11, 2014, 08:50:20 AM
I was playing around in photoshop with the latest assets released by Konami, and I found this behind (in another layer) the toy dragon artwork.

http://abload.de/img/clos2_toydragoncopia0asul.jpg (http://abload.de/img/clos2_toydragoncopia0asul.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 11, 2014, 09:04:18 AM
I was playing around in photoshop with the latest assets released by Konami, and I found this behind (in another layer) the toy dragon artwork.

http://abload.de/img/clos2_toydragoncopia0asul.jpg (http://abload.de/img/clos2_toydragoncopia0asul.jpg)
Considering the multiple skulls within the body, the organ-y look and multiple mouths, perhaps this is the LoS's version of Legion.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 11, 2014, 09:39:03 AM
(click to show/hide)

I will take away the intrigue, NO.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 11, 2014, 10:01:51 AM
I will take away the intrigue, NO.
I love you.
I can see in the pics that Gab and Vic don't hate each other that much.

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(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fimg%2Fclos2_toydragoncopia0asul.jpg&hash=ff2fd7fdbb32b5140e031938c83c5cae)
Wow that's amazing, very SIlent Hill-y. Good enough Legion for me.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 11, 2014, 10:04:59 AM
So Victor Belmont is being played by Anthony Howell from the Dracula NBC show.
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Post by: Maedhros on January 11, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
No one talked about the secret mode here huh? What do you guys think it'll be. Everyone knows I hope for Alucard. Fuck Victor, I don't want to play with another guy using a whip.

^ If that's Legion, it's bad. Legion is a fucking ball of corpses, they shouldn't try too hard to change it. It would be interesting to see how they would translate that into a boss. Now, it'll be just another fight with a humanoid monster, like the billions we got on LoS 1 and will get on LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 11, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
If that's Legion, it's bad. Legion is a fucking ball of corpses, they shouldn't try too hard to change it.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20110505000546%2Fcastlevania%2Fes%2Fimages%2F9%2F91%2FCircle_of_the_Night.gif&hash=52f6dc69d190fa702c743d3d83218f3b)

Quote
The origin of Legion's design is a biblical account of a large number of demons who possessed a man.

Yeaaah.. no
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 11, 2014, 10:22:30 AM
Maybe that's a normal enemy and not a Boss at all. I mean, we don't know how big this thing is, it could be very small, smaller than Gabriel, it could be just as big as a troll or it could be Gargantuan and be another Titan like Boss. Maybe it is a normal enemy, mabe it is a Titan fight, maybe it is Legion, maybe it is Zobek's final form or maybe just another boss, who knows? Or maybe it won't appear in the game at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 11, 2014, 10:44:44 AM
Nice creature/monster/stuff! :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 11, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
I was playing around in photoshop with the latest assets released by Konami, and I found this behind (in another layer) the toy dragon artwork.

http://abload.de/img/clos2_toydragoncopia0asul.jpg (http://abload.de/img/clos2_toydragoncopia0asul.jpg)

Why is legion even being talked about? It looks more like Menace to me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 11, 2014, 10:59:44 AM
We all know that creature will simply be called "Demon Corpse" and nothing more  ;)
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 11, 2014, 11:19:32 AM
How big do you think will it be if it is in the game?
Just as big as Gabriel or huge (if the small skulls near his arm are as big as a normal human head)? Then again if it would be huge and its legs being underwater wouldn't the water Level be too high for Gabriel to walk normally thus making this Thing rather small?
Do you think it is realistic that this might be Zobek's final form with the big skull face (which has eyes)? I mean he might be in a Death form before and after you fought him in a Death like battle he turns into this...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 11, 2014, 11:41:16 AM
I hope it's Zobek's second form. It suits him well.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 11, 2014, 01:36:46 PM
We all know that creature will simply be called "Demon Corpse" and nothing more  ;)
I would hate it to have such a generic name. I was thinking the same thing after I say that picture. "Watch they call this things something like 'Viscera Demon' or "Tumor Entity". Hell, if it's NOT Legion, if they choose to make some Lovecraftian connection by calling it a "Shoggoth", I'd have mad respect for them. If it turns out to be something called a "Gore Knight", I'd be really disappointed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 11, 2014, 02:06:58 PM
One question though remains: Why DID they use this picture as a certain layer for the Toy Dragon image? That's something that bothers me...
Anyway, in that Cox interview someone posted before in this thread Cox mentioned that we haven't seen all the Titan bosses yet. So here are my predictions for the remaining Titans:
1.) A giant Mech
2.) Leviathan
3.) Legion
AND/ OR that thing on the Image (maybe Zobek's final form)

So we'd have 5 Titans, though I don't consider the Siege Titan a Titan fight since you fight on him and since he doesn't have a health bar... it's more like an interactive stage. And from what we have read in some previews the Gorgon is actually a fight against the Titan! Thus we'd have to fight 4 Titans.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 11, 2014, 02:40:02 PM
I heard the rely on horror interview, and I think that there is very little spoiler material. A very interesting interview. I think that Cox said just one line that does sound spoilerish, so listen to it if you want. I thought it was great.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 11, 2014, 02:49:40 PM
No one talked about the secret mode here huh? What do you guys think it'll be. Everyone knows I hope for Alucard. Fuck Victor, I don't want to play with another guy using a whip.
I'd be up for both, but it's probably Alucard mode. I would be greatly surprised and a little disappointed if that wasn't the case. This new Alucard deserves to be playable.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 11, 2014, 03:07:30 PM
One question though remains: Why DID they use this picture as a certain layer for the Toy Dragon image?
Isn't that the way a lot of Creepypastas start off. "I found this hidden image within this data, now I keep having nightmares. Something's lurking outside and I see it out of the corner of my eye. I get phone calls from dead children and creepy emails about people who know everything I'm doing. I keep seeing this face peer in at me through the dark, white, eyeless sockes that has an abnormally large grin as if someone slit it's cheeks open..." ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 11, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
Are we sure that...thing is Legion? It would be nice if it was, I always though Legion would look beautifully grotesque with Mercurysteams art direction. Someone should tweet the pic to Cox for confirmation, he'll probably dodge it though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 11, 2014, 04:30:12 PM
Go to Lords of Shadow's Facebook page. I posted there.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=801424173206090&set=o.220827690696&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=801424173206090&set=o.220827690696&type=1&theater)

Yeah, Legion would be cool, though I rather assume that this might be Zobek's form as stated before. The reason for this can be found in the giant skull. Because it does have a skull face I somehow associate it with a deformed version of Death and thus assume it to be Zobek's second or third form (depending if his first form is human or not and the second one being classic Death with scythe and all).
Another reason for this particular enemy being Zobek might be found in the fact that it consists of many undead. Remember the artwork of the Lord of the Dead in the travel book in LOS 1? Even though it could have been an expression of artistic freedom it could also be a hint for us: It showed Zobek having many souls in his chest /under his coat. Maybe he canalyzes all these souls to form this ultimate form.
Then again the Environment doesn't feel like it would fit a Zobek Boss fight, but who knows?

Oh and another thought that is the result of the above stated stream of thoughts: What if Zobek in some sense would BE Legion. As I have written he has absorbed the Souls of many unfortunate Dead and they might be the source for his power. As I have written he might use said souls to form the ultimate undead being, being a grotesque amalgimation of many, many undead, thus being noone less than Legion.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on January 11, 2014, 06:01:37 PM
Mark my words: It's the Flesh Golem.

But it'd be cool if it was a G-Virus-mutated-like Zobek.
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Post by: Flame on January 11, 2014, 08:27:03 PM
Any other artwork have hidden layers?

More specifically, what about the other Toymaker images shown before?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 11, 2014, 08:50:40 PM
Mark my words: It's the Flesh Golem.

But it'd be cool if it was a G-Virus-mutated-like Zobek.

Now imagine if this was a cloned process from Zobek.

SOLID Zobek, LIQUID Zobek and SOLIDUS Zobek. They fought for what they believed in... LIFE.

LoS3 concept.
Title: goku ssj4 pix
Post by: crisis on January 11, 2014, 09:24:45 PM
it would be phat if Goemon made a cameo
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 12, 2014, 01:00:58 AM
Okay, there's another theory beside that Thing being Zobek, which by the way would be still my favourite theory.
Now in the Podcast Cox mentioned that the blood of the Castle that rebels against his master since it feels he could be saved by redemption and thus not rule the Castle any longer will manifest in a character in the game. Now imagine if this creature we see here is said character. Remember: In the original timeline the Castle itself was a creature of Chaos. And this creature is chaotic with all the teeth and skulls and ist deformed Body. Plus the watery ground it is standing on is coloured red with blood. The creature having no skin bleeds. Now imagine this being a boss fight where the blood will take different ever changing forms (or at least several different forms) during the battle, another characteristic of Chaos.
Plus it was hidden behind a Toy Maker Boss image and from the previews we know that the Toy Maker will fight against Dracula since he will be possessed by the blood.
I mean that's a legit theory, though I would prefer this boss being Zobek (I don't simply want to fight a small humanoid Zobek and that's it; he should transform).
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Post by: Munchy on January 12, 2014, 01:32:08 AM
it would be phat if Goemon made a cameo

Designed so he fits in LoS.

But still with the pipe attack.

I'd also take an LoS-ized Konami Man.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 12, 2014, 02:01:31 AM
They are preparing a video to teach new images shortly before or just when you can place your pre-purchase on Steam. Efforts are made with Steam by Dave Cox and JP Konami, they put the dates. But it is assumed that policy Konami will be 1 month before the game's release. So for 24, 27 or 28 January will have this new video, very shocking because he wants to climb up the hype pre-sales, there is another video done that should have been taught last January 10 (show the dragon and the toymaker) along with new images. At the end they simply distribute a video of gameplay for publishers and the the new images.

It is unclear if they will teach this video next week or longer wait to February, it would be too much information in January and they have more things you publish to date on February 21, where the information will be cut. I think this video delayed until February and publish on the pre-purchase day the video that are made it now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 12, 2014, 02:38:30 AM
They are preparing a video to teach new images shortly before or just when you can place your pre-purchase on Steam. Efforts are made with Steam by Dave Cox and JP Konami, they put the dates. But it is assumed that policy Konami will be 1 month before the game's release. So for 24, 27 or 28 January will have this new video, very shocking because he wants to climb up the hype pre-sales, there is another video done that should have been taught last January 10 (show the dragon and the toymaker) along with new images. At the end they simply distribute a video of gameplay for publishers and the the new images.

It is unclear if they will teach this video next week or longer wait to February, it would be too much information in January and they have more things you publish to date on February 21, where the information will be cut. I think this video delayed until February and publish on the pre-purchase day the video that are made it now.

Wait a second. I didn't get that quite. They were supposed to show us a video on January 10th which would have shown us gameplay of Drac's Transformation into a Dragon as well as dialogue and gameplay of the Toy Maker Boss fight, but decided to show it only to some journalists? What the hell? Why didn't they show us this video? I would love to see the Toy Maker Boss in motion. When will they release said video of the Toy Maker Boss fight? 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on January 12, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
I'm alright with it either way, but I wonder if we have any control over dragon form. Like Melee attack, fire breathe, etc or if it is just a special move that has him transforming into a dragon. Again either way its really cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 12, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
Gotta feeling it's just a glorified Item Crash  o.o;;
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 12, 2014, 02:41:39 PM
it would be phat if Goemon made a cameo

It would be phat if Ryukotsuki or Neclord made an appearance Seriously this version of Dracula needs more rivals.

Anyways there are now promoting los2 and the dracula skin at gamestop now just saw it a minute ago. 

The hell is the topic ssj4 goku?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 12, 2014, 03:42:26 PM
Gotta feeling it's just a glorified Item Crash  o.o;;
An old article made reference to Dragon pieces or something. Sounds exactly like the Dark Crystal, an animation probably will play and an attack will happen.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 12, 2014, 06:12:28 PM
An old article made reference to Dragon pieces or something. Sounds exactly like the Dark Crystal, an animation probably will play and an attack will happen.
Yeah, it's likely going to be this game's version of the dark crystal. At least for most of the game. If at all, any use of the dragon form other than what the dark crystal from LoS1 did will likely occur in a QTE sequence.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 12, 2014, 06:19:45 PM
Gotta feeling it's just a glorified Item Crash  o.o;;
It is the new dak crystal, but I have the feeling the dragon will be playable in the final battle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on January 12, 2014, 11:29:47 PM
Interview with Cox. He spoils the beginning of the game when you play as "decrepit" Dracula.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-08-the-god-of-war-comparisons-really-pissed-us-off (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-08-the-god-of-war-comparisons-really-pissed-us-off)
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Post by: SaibotMK on January 12, 2014, 11:59:56 PM
Interview with Cox. He spoils the beginning of the game when you play as "decrepit" Dracula.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-08-the-god-of-war-comparisons-really-pissed-us-off (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-08-the-god-of-war-comparisons-really-pissed-us-off)

"a blink-style shadow movement ability"  ;D, I really hope that means what I think it does (dash = Teleport later in game).

Far as the god of war comparisons pissing them off, I understand that but they can't be that surprised. I know people who loved LoS 1 but still will compare it to GoW to a extent. Its the whip that does it.

That article was a good read, I do like the quality over duration approach. 10 to 15 hours into AC 4 you've played the entire game and your not even halfway through the story depending on how you play. You've played everything the game has to offer and not through with the main story, that is not a good thing. Trust me, I have 32 hours into AC 4, Man O Wars spawning all over the ocean, it is a very unchallenging game (Very). AC games are very repetitive, I will finish AC 4 because I paid $60 for it on Steam and need to finish it.

With that being said, a solid 20 hour challenging fun game with a good story and good progression is much better then a drawn out repetitive game with no progression. AC 4 has no progression, you are going from 4 cannons to 21, Mortar shot, heavy shot, fire barrels and hull upgrades. Its the same idea with Edward the character you play, your getting more of the same exact thing as you play the game.

Anyway, something to think about incase anyone (not that anyone is here that I've seen) thinking 20 hours is too short. A lot more rewards, challenge, progression then in a hyped up longer then fuck AC game I will tell you that, and I have not even played LoS 2 yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 13, 2014, 07:04:57 AM
I'm kind of giddy about the whole optional bosses thing. That's always been my favorite thing about exploration style games: optional bosses guarding awesome upgrades.

Exciting!
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 13, 2014, 07:45:37 AM
Man I am super excited for this game  ;D A vampire that actually murders people, side missions and optional bosses and a interesting melding of scifi (mechs) with gothic. However I do think this game has a high chance of underselling. It seems in looking at comments through numerous articles you see two types other than fans of first game. Those who are Igrashi or Bust and a bunch of these types are even among some journalists with podcast like Joystiq saying the game started out as non Castlevania game and than there are those who don't know anything about the game, like they don't even know that it is in separate universe than the Classic timeline. Despite improvements I see game making over Lords of Shadow 1, there is generally lack of excitement for it in comparison to other releases in 2014.

 Although Lords of Shadow 1 is highest selling Castlevania game apparently it still didn't sell that well in comparison to other high profile games, I remember when Tomb Raider the reboot sold 3 million and Square Enix considered that a failure. I think Mercury stream ending of series at 2 may have something to do with this even though I am glad they are because I rather see it end gloriously than milked to death. 

Do you guys think after seeing preview articles its going to review well and sell well?
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 08:05:24 AM
If the game reviews well (it seems it will) it will sell well. Don't worry about the Tomb Raider case, it's all about the budget, wages in spain are less than in the uk, TR had lot's of licrnsing for engine and physics and of course an incredible marketing campaign. LOS 2 won't have thosr costs to recoup, and the PC versión will help those who already got into next gen. This last month will be critical. If they can market it well it will sell well, the premise is uncommon in videogames and pretty exciting, people could be interested only in the being a vampire in an open world, if they sell that they win.

And we too because we can kiss our series goodbye if it doesn't sell (konami exec: old series didn't sell, neither did new series, no market for it, kill it).
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 13, 2014, 08:14:07 AM
The thing is I hope journalists review it as its own thing which I think they will. It was issue with first of Lords of Shadow 1 but in fairness it was pretty drastic reboot to the series not that I am complaining. I think even developers acknowledge the criticism of Lords of Shadow 1: improving the combat, platforming, exploration and storytelling and setting it in more gothic environment. I do think reviews scores are really going to matter this time and game can't afford the game scores that Mirror of Fate got. The reviews would also need to dispel the notion that this game isn't GoW ripoff which Lords of Shadow 2 is really in my mind dispelling.
The weird thing is I still don't get why Konami executives are against making 2D titles in 3DS or in Xbox live or PSN . Surely there is big fan base for them and they will be get profits from it. You could make 3D titles but also make 2D ones as well, Konami is fucking weird.
Also on that scene of Dracula killing the family? It seems the previews are mixed one it with some thinking its just shock value while others really liking it. Wonder if people are going make huge ruckus over it when the game comes out.
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Post by: beingthehero on January 13, 2014, 09:45:06 AM
If the game reviews well (it seems it will) it will sell well.

Like Psychonauts, Okami, and the pre-Lords CV games.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 09:51:14 AM
Like Psychonauts, Okami, and the pre-Lords CV games.
Those are harder sells. We're talking about AAA open world be a vampire action game. That will surely get more attention than japanese paper graphics be a wolf rpg.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on January 13, 2014, 11:17:03 AM
We're talking about AAA open world be a vampire action game.

OKay, I want to e clarified properly here. How 'Open World' are we talking about here? I'm not talking about size but what scale of exploration is this according to the information we have? What game comes close to this?
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 11:51:19 AM
Hey look, it's the Chupacabra :P

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fedgecast.lvlup-files.buscafs.com%2Fuploads%2Fnews%2Fphotos%2Fnews_photo_36611_1389278947.jpg&hash=b96949d86bb7ab804c78e0ca626c5444)

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OKay, I want to e clarified properly here. How 'Open World' are we talking about here? I'm not talking about size but what scale of exploration is this according to the information we have? What game comes close to this?
Ironically, Okami.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 13, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
Well someone got upset that a vampire did a vampire thing and called it "rape". :rollseyes:

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/yes-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-did-make-me-feel-uncomfortable- (http://www.usgamer.net/articles/yes-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-did-make-me-feel-uncomfortable-)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 12:24:09 PM
Well someone got upset that a vampire did a vampire thing and called it "rape". :rollseyes:

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/yes-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-did-make-me-feel-uncomfortable- (http://www.usgamer.net/articles/yes-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-did-make-me-feel-uncomfortable-)
It's the USA. What did you expect, there's always a wacky conservative around.

Heeeeeeeey guys, I'm sure you'd love this :)

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The old Castlevania staple of hearts as power-ups has returned all too literally, as Gabriel steals a human heart from an altar and eats it to raise his energy up again. The empty castle beckons you forward by how loud you can hear the ghosts of victims Gabriel’s brought back to his castle–including his own family–scream for release. The ghost voices eventually lead to a beast being formed from the rubble, scythe-wielding knights, some hectic platforming when one of the wings of the castle starts to collapse, and obtaining an ice dagger allowing you to freeze water and enemies at will. The way you get back out is by following an evil wolf spirit guide through the void.
http://www.chud.com/148391/mcp-early-impressions-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/ (http://www.chud.com/148391/mcp-early-impressions-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 13, 2014, 12:40:07 PM
Well someone got upset that a vampire did a vampire thing and called it "rape". :rollseyes:

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/yes-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-did-make-me-feel-uncomfortable- (http://www.usgamer.net/articles/yes-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-did-make-me-feel-uncomfortable-)
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I'm sitting in a roundtable interview with a handful of journalists after having just spent more than an hour playing Lords of Shadow 2, the scene in question being one in which a withered Dracula stumbled toward a family with his arms outstretched, the camera abruptly switching to a first-person perspective. He kills the father outright, then grabs the mother and sinks his fangs into her neck, draining her life energy to restore his.

Sexualized imagery is nothing new in vampire fiction, but this scene is kind of stunning for how blatant it is with its allusions to rape.

I stopped reading there, she's fishing for hits. This is click-bait, anyone who thinks of this as an act of rape is deeply deluded or has never heard of vampires before.

I am so sick of reading about shit like this too, people have become way too sensitive lately to the dumbest things.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 13, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
Heeeeeeeey guys, I'm sure you'd love this :)
http://www.chud.com/148391/mcp-early-impressions-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/ (http://www.chud.com/148391/mcp-early-impressions-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/)


Heh, a few years ago I made a joke that hearts might come back in LOS2 by having Dracula rip their hearts out and eat them.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 12:48:25 PM
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Totally not a feminazi. I love how some women try to mask their insecurities with sexual defensiveness. Well, fuck you, the game is finished and I'm gonna revel in killing that woman and her child.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 13, 2014, 01:11:59 PM
Although Lords of Shadow 1 is highest selling Castlevania game apparently it still didn't sell that well in comparison to other high profile games, I remember when Tomb Raider the reboot sold 3 million and Square Enix considered that a failure. I think Mercury stream ending of series at 2 may have something to do with this even though I am glad they are because I rather see it end gloriously than milked to death. 
I think that's a problem with  lot of big developers, unreal expectations. Squa Enix is notorious for this, though Capcom's also pretty crappy regarding such expectations. I think the world of gaming would be a lot better if these folk learned to have grounded expectations.

And yes, another problem developers(not just games, but you see this with movies too), is that nobody has the gall to end a series with tact. They always have to prolong the series and squeeze out as much milk from it as possible. As a result, you have things, let's use movie series as an example here, that have overstayed their welcome and are looked down upon because they REACHED that point, when had they ended the series a few installments after the initial one(or even keep the initial a stand-alone film with NO tacked on sequel), it would've been much better in the long run. I don't know, it just seems like humanity has the knack of fuckin good things up. We have it all there, things crafted to perfection, and we have the gall to fuckin believe by adding to it, it will make it better, so we add, and add, and add, and add, and it just becomes a mess load of crap.

Totally not a feminazi. I love how some women try to mask their insecurities with sexual defensiveness. Well, fuck you, the game is finished and I'm gonna revel in killing that woman and her child.
I don't know if her looks are any judgement of her character(to be fair, I have no idea what a feminazi would look like, as most feminists I've seen don't really stand out as looking unordinary). Though, if I was to judge her by that, she looks like the girls I went to high school with that were into Sarah McLachlan(many of whom were in the student council and eventally lead to "I Will Remember You" being chosen as our graduation class song).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 01:20:15 PM
I'm not saying she /is, she just irks of an insecure individual, so Dracula can't feed on women now because that is sexist? But he can feed on men because, you know, men don't get raped or whatever. She has an agenda, and judging for neogaf, she fell on her face. And she did a great publicity stunt for the game so we should thank her, really.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on January 13, 2014, 01:39:29 PM
Well someone got upset that a vampire did a vampire thing and called it "rape". :rollseyes:

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/yes-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-did-make-me-feel-uncomfortable- (http://www.usgamer.net/articles/yes-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-did-make-me-feel-uncomfortable-)

This is how I felt

"Everyone Is Now Dumber" - Billy Madison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c#)

Seriously I don't know what this individual was thinking but I really don't know what to say. What a dumb article if not outright stupid. I just don't see the similarities between a family getting slaughtered and a women getting raped it makes no sense and if the comments are to go by anything then I think she just made a fool of her self. I mean come on really a vampire sucking blood is rape and I know vampires can be sexual but this scene is.... ahh just fail on her part, really doubt anyone is going to take her article seriously :rollseyes:

Heh, a few years ago I made a joke that hearts might come back in LOS2 by having Dracula rip their hearts out and eat them.

Afew years ago I was dead serious about literal hearts being a power and it has happened oh what a glorious day, mind you this was back at the chapel when I was new.


I'm not saying she /is, she just irks of an insecure individual, so Dracula can't feed on women now because that is sexist? But he can feed on men because, you know, men don't get raped or whatever. She has an agenda, and judging for neogaf, she fell on her face. And she did a great publicity stunt for the game so we should thank her, really.

Got a link for Neo-Gaf?
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 13, 2014, 01:40:06 PM
Problem with Kat Bailey and her associate Jeremy Parish is they are known anti Lords of Shadows journalists. So I don't understand why they picked her out to go preview the game. Sexism or not aside, the preview of game wasn't even covered it was just focusing one scene. You could say they overshot or the scene didn't work or it seemed sexist but why did she have make the whole preview on this one scene?!! Ahaverus is right it is made to get hits.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 01:45:35 PM
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Got a link for Neo-Gaf?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=750818 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=750818)

Everyone's like: Are you kidding me? He's Dracula, not the red cross.
This has been the best publicity for the game.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 13, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
No matter whether they talk good or bad about you, it is important that they talk about you....

Nothing is random..

Know who to invite and everything is studied. There is no better advertising than that is not advertising.

Do not forget that los2 is a game intended primarily for an adult audience, this will come good ..  for hardcore market
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 13, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Problem with Kat Bailey and her associate Jeremy Parish is they are known anti Lords of Shadows journalists. So I don't understand why they picked her out to go preview the game. Sexism or not aside, the preview of game wasn't even covered it was just focusing one scene. You could say they overshot or the scene didn't work or it seemed sexist but why did she have make the whole preview on this one scene?!! Ahaverus is right it is made to get hits.

If that's the truth then what a shame folks who write this kind of stuff even more the upper heads who chose people who hate the game to see it are absolutely ridiculous. Is common sense less and less these days or what?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=750818 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=750818)

Everyone's like: Are you kidding me? He's Dracula, not the red cross.
This has been the best publicity for the game.

Maybe common sense is still in humanity. I'll have too see or read.

Dang it all let me post a comment  :P
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Post by: crisis on January 13, 2014, 02:48:20 PM
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Not going to lie I love blue haired anime chicks

wats your opinion on Bulma from DBZ?
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Post by: Inccubus on January 13, 2014, 03:19:39 PM
I stopped reading there, she's fishing for hits. This is click-bait, anyone who thinks of this as an act of rape is deeply deluded or has never heard of vampires before.

I am so sick of reading about shit like this too, people have become way too sensitive lately to the dumbest things.

I got a little farther.

And I completely agree. Rape is rape and murder is murder. Both are wrong, and heinous acts that have no excuses. What is being done there is a false equivalency and is disingenuous bullshit and completely misses the point not only of the scene in question but of gaming in it's entirety. As much as I don't like Cox or LoS I have to respect them and MS for sticking to their guns on this.
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Post by: Maedhros on January 13, 2014, 03:20:53 PM
If that's the truth then what a shame folks who write this kind of stuff even more the upper heads who chose people who hate the game to see it are absolutely ridiculous. Is common sense less and less these days or what?

Maybe common sense is still in humanity. I'll have too see or read.

Dang it all let me post a comment  :P
Well, you're NeoBelmont, not Neogaf man.

Seriously now, make an account already. Ahasverus already have one and we get super lovey dovey there. :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on January 13, 2014, 03:45:48 PM

But..... you haven't seen the "Family scene" yet, have you? Everyone's laughing at this reporter without even knowing how the scene plays out? RLY? In another interview posted a few pages ago, it's stated that Drac kills the father, then the mother, and then he goes for the daughter and the camera doesn't show what happens, suggesting that it's too horrible to even watch. I'm not saying the reporter isn't overracting, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that she might be right either. I'm saving my judgement until I've actually, y'know, seen it.
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Post by: Maedhros on January 13, 2014, 03:50:46 PM
It seems like the scene is controlable. You can choose the order you kill the victims. The last one ends being "raped" (LOOL). Apparently she didn't knew that and thought it was only the woman that would suffer from it.

Looks like a feminazi to me...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on January 13, 2014, 04:04:36 PM
Plus it doesn't matter what order you do it in. Either way making up imaginary "rape" scenarios that are not in any way implied defeats the purpose of the scene.
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Post by: shelverton. on January 13, 2014, 04:06:25 PM
Well, 9 out of 10 times, the portayal of women in video games is pretty terrible - and I'm not only talking about rape - so I don't blame people for going all "feminazi" on the industry.

I an clearly a minority who thinks that here so I'll leave it at that.

The game sounds better and better. I especially like the Zelda/Darksiders/Metroid/ArkhamAsylum comparisions :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 04:11:26 PM
But..... you haven't seen the "Family scene" yet, have you? Everyone's laughing at this reporter without even knowing how the scene plays out? RLY? In another interview posted a few pages ago, it's stated that Drac kills the father, then the mother, and then he goes for the daughter and the camera doesn't show what happens, suggesting that it's too horrible to even watch. I'm not saying the reporter isn't overracting, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that she might be right either. I'm saving my judgement until I've actually, y'know, seen it.
None of the other 200 previews mentioned rape so I'd suggest that's a little bit on bad weight on her side. She's even saying Dracula didn't  drink blood of the other two and that has been denied.
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Post by: Maedhros on January 13, 2014, 04:17:46 PM
Well, 9 out of 10 times, the portayal of women in video games is pretty terrible - and I'm not only talking about rape - so I don't blame people for going all "feminazi" on the industry.

I an clearly a minority who thinks that here so I'll leave it at that.

The game sounds better and better. I especially like the Zelda/Darksiders/Metroid/ArkhamAsylum comparisions :D
It's an industry full of men, with men as the majority fanbase. But I never seen it not being disrespecful towards women, saved for some few specific cases. But I REALLY don't want to discuss about this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DoctaMario on January 13, 2014, 04:35:43 PM
In an era where you can go to Dictionary.com on your smartphone and instantly find a definition of the word "rape," someone whose occupation deals with words not knowing the definition of the word and projecting it onto a scene like that is unacceptable. The word rape is like the word genius: overused and attached to things it doesn't have anything to do with.

On that note, we have a little over a month before this beast is released! Who's as excited as I am? ;)
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 13, 2014, 04:44:20 PM
Well, I think the woman who wrote that article was being over-sensitive. She is probably also a twilight fan who prefers her vampires to be emo and sparkle in the sunlight. News flash!!! Those aren't vampires. Their emo fairies with a blood fetish.

The Dracula in LoS2 seems to be a what a vampire should be. Evil, Brutal, Bloodthirsty, etc. Kind of reminds me of the Alucard from the Hellsing anime. And, I'm glad he's like that. As far as I'm concerned Twilight and movies like it have seemingly castrated the image of vampires as frightening monsters. It's nice to see the reputation of actual vampires is being restored. Seriously, Vlad the Impaler must be rolling in his grave (and yes I know he wasn't a real vampire).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 13, 2014, 05:19:33 PM
So guys, Castlevania is a pretty neat series.
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Post by: crisis on January 13, 2014, 05:24:02 PM
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The word rape is like the word genius: overused and attached to things it doesn't have anything to do with.
icu taking jabs at Kanye West iway ouldshay say too am excited for this game However I haveno't preordered it yet and i do plan on getting the [Europe-only] special edition tomb shit dont know about yo.u I'm sure it'll be available on ebay tho I wonder if all Cox says nowadays is true about gameplay mechanix ya know pull the ol bait n switch witch we all have fallen for sooner or later but it's okay cuz Castlevania will once again be the reason why i come home at  night pun intended#turnup(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.documentingreality.com%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fmysmile%2Flaugh.gif&hash=66c2859e4fed98de687ae23ca18ddade)
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Post by: Eärendil on January 13, 2014, 05:27:11 PM
How many of you folks are skipping the PS3/360 release and just going for the PC version? I am, based on the concurrent PC launch date, Cox's comments (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/lords-of-shadow-2-pc-version-almost-like-next-gen/1100-6417029/) about the PC version, and the improved experience even the port of the old LOS1 engine had over the original release. I found his comments intriguing. Though he says they would have had to taken steps backwards, it really seems like LOS2 would have been better served as a current console generation launch as well. Looks like an Xbox controller+Steam on the PC is the closest were going to get to that, which is fine with me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 05:30:00 PM
How many of you folks are skipping the PS3/360 release and just going for the PC version? I am, based on the concurrent PC launch date, Cox's comments (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/lords-of-shadow-2-pc-version-almost-like-next-gen/1100-6417029/) about the PC version, and the improved experience even the port of the old LOS1 engine had over the original release. I found his comments intriguing. Though he says they would have had to taken steps backwards, it really seems like LOS2 would have been better served as a current console generation launch as well. Looks like an Xbox controller+Steam on the PC is the closest were going to get to that, which is fine with me.
I wish I had a good PC, I'd buy it in a heartbet, give me 60fps or give me death.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 13, 2014, 07:05:44 PM
I don't have any of the mentioned platforms to play it on, I'll just be one of those guys waiting anxiously for full playthroughs on youtube. v__v
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 07:18:41 PM
I don't have any of the mentioned platforms to play it on, I'll just be one of those guys waiting anxiously for full playthroughs on youtube. v__v
I pity you.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on January 13, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
Dear forum,

Please, post a link to this "Family scene" everyone is talking about, if there is one. It may not even be out yet, yet people talk about it like they've seen it inside out, and I'm turning mad of curiosity. It seems that I'm too incompetent to find it myself, or the relevant information pertaining it's existence.
Thank you.

Your truly,
ThePlotTwist.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 07:45:23 PM
Dear theplottwist

The game is released in one month and the aformentioned scene was shown to the press only, with all jourlaists pointing its shocking avlue but only one accusing Cox of gloryfying rape.

I look forward to your impressions once we can see it.


Your's not truly.
Azu.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 13, 2014, 07:50:49 PM
I don't have any of the mentioned platforms to play it on, I'll just be one of those guys waiting anxiously for full playthroughs on youtube. v__v

Did you not play LoS?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 13, 2014, 09:02:53 PM
I don't have any of the mentioned platforms to play it on, I'll just be one of those guys waiting anxiously for full playthroughs on youtube. v__v
Let me guess... you own a Wii U.

Wow... seems like a nice decision if you want some third party games... (not).

Try at least to get a PC as second platform, otherwise you'll miss out A LOT. Unless, of course, you're fine with playing only Mario/Zelda/Whatever Nintendo makes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 13, 2014, 09:03:29 PM
Did you not play LoS?
I did, when my 360 wasn't missing/busted/whatever.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 13, 2014, 09:41:34 PM
I did, when my 360 wasn't missing/busted/whatever.

Got it. Just got a bit confused because I was pretty sure you played LoS. Now it makes sense.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on January 13, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
Only just read about the "rape" comments. Well... vampires have been given a sexual connotation since Stoker's book. I guess you could call the vampire bite a rape of sorts, in that it's an unwanted invasion of personal space and, in this case, probably of the spirit (assuming the family comes back as the undead and Gabriel doesn't just turn them into raisins).

All that notwithstanding... it's Dracula. I'd say this kind of violence is a given.

And if Cox hated the God of War comparisons before... well, playing as a "bad guy" with a tragic past isn't going to help that any.

My main question is, if Gabriel wants to be freed of his immortality, and is extremely decrepit and on the verge of death when Zobek saves him... why wouldn't he just, I don't know, dash his own brains out or something? It's weird that he would be in need of saving, yet unable to die, then just go along with a guy who stabbed him in the back hundreds of years earlier.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 13, 2014, 10:17:10 PM
This has been the most fun Castlevania day ever. Konami should be dancing up and down of happiness, this game suddenly appeared on the radars of a lot of people. Great publicity stunt.
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My main question is, if Gabriel wants to be freed of his immortality, and is extremely decrepit and on the verge of death when Zobek saves him... why wouldn't he just, I don't know, dash his own brains out or something? It's weird that he would be in need of saving, yet unable to die, then just go along with a guy who stabbed him in the back hundreds of years earlier.
He didin't die with Simon's stabbing so we could imagine he just can't die, at all, even  nuking his body with a bomb will end in him regenerating. Or that's how I understand it. That's why he needs Zobek.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 13, 2014, 10:28:06 PM
Apparently also in article I read awhile back, it is mentioned that each time Dracula dies he is rejected from entering heaven or hell :P. So he may be really desperate when he needs Zobek. Also Patrick Stewart voice is soooooo convincing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 13, 2014, 11:01:45 PM


My main question is, if Gabriel wants to be freed of his immortality, and is extremely decrepit and on the verge of death when Zobek saves him... why wouldn't he just, I don't know, dash his own brains out or something? It's weird that he would be in need of saving, yet unable to die, then just go along with a guy who stabbed him in the back hundreds of years earlier.

If he killed himself he'll just end up awakening with cars flying aroung. He wants to stay dead for good and what better help to end immortallity than the lord of the dead.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 13, 2014, 11:05:36 PM
OH no wonder he has issues.

As for the feminazis, LoS2 is a vampire game, if you can't stomach the true horrors of the vampiric mythos, go away (languish in your own stupid Twilight world) and never come back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 13, 2014, 11:14:49 PM
Honestly my issue isn't that she had problem with the scene is that she made a article about the whole scene before the game is out rather than a preview of the freakin game! She is entitled to her opinion but piece just seems like bad game journalism (OMG WHAT A SURPRISE  :P).
You know there is mention of Zobek running a company LOL, I wonder what type of company he runs? Probably insurance :P.
By the way guys I don't think castle is in past, I think it may be in its own dimension within the city or maybe the castle is within Dracula all this time (LE PLOT TWIST?!!)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 13, 2014, 11:25:28 PM
Honestly my issue isn't that she had problem with the scene is that she made a article about the whole scene before the game is out rather than a preview of the freakin game! She is entitled to her opinion but piece just seems like bad game journalism (OMG WHAT A SURPRISE  :P).
You know there is mention of Zobek running a company LOL, I wonder what type of company he runs? Probably insurance :P.
By the way guys I don't think castle is in past, I think it may be in its own dimension within the city or maybe the castle is within Dracula all this time (LE PLOT TWIST?!!)

Hmm, the castle is a living being. It is connected to Dracula and Dracula still exists. Thus maybe the Castle still exists but not as the ruins that we see in the modern day but it created its own dimension where it can still exist.
Cox mentioned that Satan would be resurrected in the castle. Now imagine if near the end of the game the old castle will return to the modern times (like quickly building itself or being warped in in some kind) andthe entire city will be destroyed. :D
Also on a side note: Since Satan is resurrected in the castle and since the Leviathan sleeps under the castle grounds the leak about the progression of the game might be real after all, with the Leviathan being the final boss though it would be an unusual choice for a final boss!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Melanicus on January 13, 2014, 11:46:48 PM

Also on a side note: Since Satan is resurrected in the castle and since the Leviathan sleeps under the castle grounds the leak about the progression of the game might be real after all, with the Leviathan being the final boss though it would be an unusual choice for a final boss!

Unless the "Castle's blood" is really Leviathan's blood, and the fight with "Leviathan" is the fight with his congealed blood, a.k.a. the gore monster shown a few pages back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on January 14, 2014, 01:23:56 AM
Might as well mention this now than never. I'm a little bugged by Victor's design if he really is the present-day Belmont. For starters, he's wearing a medieval-era gauntlet. There are also some other parts that aren't feasible to be modern-day designs, unless...oh my god, Victor somehow time-travelled to the present.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 14, 2014, 01:31:10 AM
Might as well mention this now than never. I'm a little bugged by Victor's design if he really is the present-day Belmont. For starters, he's wearing a medieval-era gauntlet. There are also some other parts that aren't feasible to be modern-day designs, unless...oh my god, Victor somehow time-travelled to the present.

Ta-dah~ Time Travel solves every unanswered plot hole. Lazy story writers....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 14, 2014, 01:53:43 AM
Might as well mention this now than never. I'm a little bugged by Victor's design if he really is the present-day Belmont. For starters, he's wearing a medieval-era gauntlet. There are also some other parts that aren't feasible to be modern-day designs, unless...oh my god, Victor somehow time-travelled to the present.
Yea, I'm kinda interested how his look will be explained, if they bother to. Otherwise I'll chalk it up to a tradition or he simply went nuts from the family curse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 14, 2014, 03:43:42 AM
His outfit looks completely medieval, down to how ragged his clothes are. Maybe the game takes place in a apocalyptic future or something? Either that or he is a cosplayer.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 14, 2014, 04:29:34 AM
On one screenshot, you can see torches behind Victor, and on another one, a burned car. I think he fits both eras.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on January 14, 2014, 06:03:58 AM
The game is released in one month and the aformentioned scene was shown to the press only, with all jourlaists pointing its shocking avlue but only one accusing Cox of gloryfying rape.

I look forward to your impressions once we can see it.

You see, by what people are talking here and other forums, and by our previous experiences with shrieking feminists and sensationalitic journalism, I think you all got the right opinion. The woman is just trying to play "honest opinion", and the scene will be nowhere near as hair pulling as she's making it to be.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 14, 2014, 07:07:34 AM
Also in the pic where Drac and Vic are talking, Victor seems to have something in his hand. Looks like a small pharmaceutical container
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 14, 2014, 07:57:00 AM
Meh the same can be said about Julius and he turned out fine. Victor Belmont probably as last feels he should represent his clan he is conservative :P. Wouldn't be surprised if he is equipped with holy hand grenades of Antioch :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on January 14, 2014, 08:30:55 AM
Julius is at the very least modern-ish with his leopard-print coat and dress shirt (I might be mistaken with the term here). Victor has a freakin' medieval gauntlet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 14, 2014, 08:40:35 AM
I forgot the leviathan was even a thing. Can we make a bullet list of things we know about the game so far?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on January 14, 2014, 08:55:51 AM
Julius is at the very least modern-ish with his leopard-print coat and dress shirt (I might be mistaken with the term here). Victor has a freakin' medieval gauntlet.
And fights using a freakin' medieval whip... It could be just part of his heritage as the whip is it...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 14, 2014, 09:02:43 AM
Also the tattoo is a bit modernism for medieval Europe :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 14, 2014, 09:13:17 AM
Wether Satan is the final Boss or not (I don't hink he is, I guess he's the second to last boss) I would wish him to transform into a Dragon himself and gain control over Dracula's Dragon form so that we've got a fight Dragon against Dragon.

Also, when do you assume will the trophie list for LoS 2 appear?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 14, 2014, 09:16:22 AM
Also the tattoo is a bit modernism for medieval Europe :P

It looks like they're trying to combine a medieval look with a modern look to create something that fits their hybrid setting.

And whoever said Julius was modern looking, he looks 1800s at best

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100819203747%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2Fb%2Fb1%2FJulius_HD.png&hash=6be302a012a531f91094dc7c6bf43f65)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 14, 2014, 09:26:11 AM
Julius has a great design anyway. The only Kojima belmont with a personality.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on January 14, 2014, 09:35:08 AM
Nah, both Leon and Juste had personalities, even if Leon was stubbornly stoic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on January 14, 2014, 09:52:52 AM
And whoever said Julius was modern looking, he looks 1800s at best
I don't think pattern printing would be available in the days of yore, unless that's actual leopard skin, which I think would be impractical.

And fights using a freakin' medieval whip... It could be just part of his heritage as the whip is it...
Handing down a weapon through the ages because it's the only thing known to be effective is logical, at least. Handing down armor that might very well be obsolete after so long?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 14, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
I don't think pattern printing would be available in the days of yore, unless that's actual leopard skin, which I think would be impractical.

Practicality always loses out to cool in character design, but you could be right. I still stick to the claim that he looks more like an 1800's cowboy than anything.

On a slightly different subject, does anyone else think Leon should have kept his knight outfit? I think it looked cooler than his vampire hunting outfit:
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It was also more historically accurate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 14, 2014, 10:32:20 AM
Hey, Alucard can wear whatever suit he wants, he always looks good
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In other news, I just remembered there were pre order costumes, i wonder if there are unlockable costumes? What if ALucard is playable too and we get a classic costume? Siiick.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 14, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
Hey, Alucard can wear whatever suit he wants, he always looks good
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In other news, I just remembered there were pre order costumes, i wonder if there are unlockable costumes? What if ALucard is playable too and we get a classic costume? Siiick.
I'd acually love to see a full-on retro "Dracula tux and cape" costume for Gabe. That would look sick(every girl's crazy for a sharp dressed man!!)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 14, 2014, 06:08:53 PM
So you guys if the game is supposedly 20 hours long like Lords of Shadow and Dave cox says there is exploration and game is up to thirty hours. Does that mean that exploration average is ten hours and he says there is apparently trials like Lords of Shadow in the game as well but in Eurogamer that also bunch of time is added due to an added mode.
So here is some Calculation estimates
Main Game = 20 hours
Exploration= 6-10 hours
Trials= 2 hours
Extra Mode (possibly New Game + or play as another character) = 2-3 hours
Total: 30+?
What do you guys think? Is Dave Cox really speaking truth about a large amount of exploration and if so how many hours would that be.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 14, 2014, 06:34:03 PM
I would not put my money on the Extra mode, it will be Boss Rush mode.

And it's 2014 so the other playable character will be $20 DLC, of course
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 14, 2014, 06:56:04 PM
I agree the new mode would probably be new game + and maybe boss rush. Alucard or Victor Belmont will be PAID DLC.  I am just interested with this notion of optional bosses and random enemy encounters and collection of items. I am not expecting it to be ala Symphony of Night but I am hoping its going to be a super big improvement over the exploration in Mirror of Fate :P which while amusing wasn't the best part of that game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 14, 2014, 07:02:05 PM
I hope MercurySteam has a bit of good heart and there are nice free unlockable costumes for New Game +
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 14, 2014, 07:04:30 PM
I hope MercurySteam has a bit of good heart and there are nice free UNLOCKABLE COSTUMES for New Game +

THIS! i don't want no recolourations.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on January 14, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
Might as well mention this now than never. I'm a little bugged by Victor's design if he really is the present-day Belmont. For starters, he's wearing a medieval-era gauntlet. There are also some other parts that aren't feasible to be modern-day designs, unless...oh my god, Victor somehow time-travelled to the present.

Well, the castle had a giant clockwork tower, big electric gizmos, not to mention stained-glass windows in... 1038? Anachronisms have always been a staple of Castlevania.

Although it would be pretty funny if time traveling was how Victor got to the present, considering his origins.

I hope MercurySteam has a bit of good heart and there are nice free unlockable costumes for New Game +

Actually an unlockable SotN style Drac outfit or a classic Bela Lugosi-style one would be godlike. (Well, the latter would just look silly on Gabriel, considering the hair... but costumes of older versions of Dracula would be too cool.)

OH SHIT... what if they threw in that red muscles-looking armor from the Francis Ford Coppola film? (modified enough so as to avoid lawsuits?)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 14, 2014, 07:10:42 PM
The fact that there is a Time machine in Lords of Shadow DLC(yeah them not being that great may make most people not realize its existence) :P it would be weird if it was a throwaway one time thing so who knows maybe Victor Belmont found it :P in the past and went to the present.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 15, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
There is a review, a spanish review of the first hours of LOS2. Maybe you would consider it as spoilish reading, but what I can tell you about my own interpretation of what I just read, as we all know, there will be many plot twists, and for me at least is increasing the hype for the game. It's in spanish. Interesting read if you want to take a look. The ones that read it may understand me. :)

http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/avances/avance-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-61999 (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/avances/avance-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-61999)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 15, 2014, 09:50:37 AM
So the vampire killer is the only weapon capable of killing Dracula.. Cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 15, 2014, 10:33:55 AM
Zobek doesn't have the full combat cross. He only has combat cross that Gabriel destroyed in DLC while Alucard has stake. So Zobek :P is lying a bit. It seems both are needed to kill Dracula.
Wonder who is the Knight? (Alucard?)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 15, 2014, 10:43:45 AM
I think so too. The ''ninja'' may be Alucard
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 15, 2014, 10:47:37 AM
I don't think that Zobek has the remainings of the Vampire Killer. But who knows for certain. We have to wait.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 15, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
Correction I don't think (Alucard) is ninja/knight that saves Dracula because Alucard (Trevocard) wouldn't leave Dracula to feast on a family unless he had personality change lately :P.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 15, 2014, 11:09:36 AM
I do think that he is Alucard because (and of course I may be wrong) maybe nobody in present times would be carrying a sword, and also as of now makes two appereances, but now that I think of it, maybe Dracul would recognize his sword, or maybe he is using another. Too many doubts lol. Also, does anybody had noticed that in the vengeance trailer, when Alucard threatens Dracul, they are standing like they are facing something or somebody else? There's smoke around, so the paladin and company are already obliterated. There's a lot food for thought lol.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on January 15, 2014, 12:16:34 PM
"In this area also awaits other familiar elements from the first game: the return of old familiar characters, like the Chupacabra (Who finds himself locked in a special cell, on Dracul's order)"

HAH Gabe got his revenge for all that bullshit, this is glorious.

But apparently you do have to free him, since apparently he is needed to open certain doors.

Also, interesting, that article mentions that the LoS2 demo featured in the LoS collection has no quick time events, (something they faulted it for, lol) not even to suck blood.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on January 15, 2014, 12:33:20 PM
Also, interesting, that article mentions that the LoS2 demo featured in the LoS collection has no quick time events, (something they faulted it for, lol) not even to suck blood.

That along would improve my opinion of this game by leaps and bounds.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on January 15, 2014, 12:53:57 PM
I don't think that Zobek has the remainings of the Vampire Killer. But who knows for certain. We have to wait.

Well, Alucard does have the single most important part in vampire killing antics (besides the Vampire Killer in Castlevania mythos that is): the stake he recovered on former Carmilla's room, now Dracula's. Zobek will probably recover it from Alucard in a battle or something, or will set up a situation where Alucard finally kills him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 15, 2014, 01:39:43 PM
I am to hope he willgive him a kiss, to please the fans
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 15, 2014, 01:54:31 PM
Oh so Zobek will kill Alucard, another reason for killing him, that bastard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 15, 2014, 02:17:37 PM
So do you guys think we'll finally get to hear an LoS version of Bloody Tears?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: alucardsan on January 15, 2014, 02:20:57 PM
Hello, And in the end, you can play with Alucard? Or not? Will there be a DLC for it? That you may say something Bergaron ...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 15, 2014, 02:22:24 PM
Hello, And in the end, you can play with Alucard? Or not? Will there be a DLC for it? That you may say something Bergaron ...
I'm betting you can't, but it would be crazy if we didn't get Alucard DLC. I mean, really Mercury, the only thing fans want from you and you can't give it to us?
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So do you guys think we'll finally get to hear an LoS version of Bloody Tears?
I think we will.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 15, 2014, 09:29:32 PM
LOL there is a line in the article where it is mentioned that Dracula actually jailed the Chupacabra, I bet that was his first order of business after :P annoying the hell out of him in 1.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 15, 2014, 09:34:37 PM
MS knows fans want to play as Alucard. But fans have to pay extra just to play that mode. Mwahahahaha!

A recent Tweet from Cox:
@CastlevaniaLOS Dont know if it has been answered or not, but will there be a bonus for having the save file of the first LOS??
@DrFunkatronic - No sorry

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Post by: Trevorcard on January 15, 2014, 09:37:41 PM
I don't get the point of that question with save file. This ain't mass effect. To be honest i am willing to pay DLC if you could actually have a story mode with Alucard rather than a costume change choice although that would be cool too. Alucard would have to have different combat and relic system then Alucard, I wonder how they will incorporate Dark and Light magic to him.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 15, 2014, 09:41:45 PM
Maybe that person was thinking along the lines of AoS and DoS where you get something in DoS when the AoS cartridge is inserted on the DS.

I hope that they do more than a palette swap for the Alucard DLC.
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Post by: Munchy on January 15, 2014, 11:23:06 PM
I actually wouldn't mind if the game had no secondary playable characters.

Variety's good and all, but MoF had four playable (honestly extremely similar) characters, and splitting abilities four ways really just diluted the game when we could have had just one very versatile Belmont.
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 16, 2014, 12:08:20 AM
I don't care that much for other characters. Give me a good adventure with Dracula and I'll be happy.
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Post by: The Puritan on January 16, 2014, 12:09:40 AM
LOL there is a line in the article where it is mentioned that Dracula actually jailed the Chupacabra, I bet that was his first order of business after :P annoying the hell out of him in 1.

And then a whole army of them serve Gabe as his minions Despicable Me-style.
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Post by: shelverton. on January 16, 2014, 07:21:37 AM
Unlockable playable characters means you would have to play a game AGAIN which is something I never ever do anymore, so I'm fine with no Alucard. But if you guys want him so badly I definitely hope he's there.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on January 16, 2014, 08:09:53 AM
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Castlevania-Lords-Shadow-2-Shouldn-t-Censored-61652.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Castlevania-Lords-Shadow-2-Shouldn-t-Censored-61652.html)
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Post by: Flame on January 16, 2014, 10:01:55 AM
That along would improve my opinion of this game by leaps and bounds.
I was kind of looking forward to neck chomping finishers. :\

I don't get the point of that question with save file.
Well Konami DID create shit like Psycho Mantis... And a few games used to do that back when memory cards were a thing.

Maybe that person was thinking along the lines of AoS and DoS where you get something in DoS when the AoS cartridge is inserted on the DS.

wait what, this is news to me, what happens
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Post by: crisis on January 16, 2014, 10:45:39 AM
I forgot about that AoS/DoS connection. i forget what eggzactly happens, i think it's like an item or something. i like using the Terror Bear to attack my enemies  o.o;
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Post by: Inccubus on January 16, 2014, 11:17:58 AM
I was kind of looking forward to neck chomping finishers. :\

Since when do finishers have to necessarily be QTEs? They were around decades before the advent of pace breaking, hand holding cinematics. I'd rather a skill based finisher over a reflex based QTE any day.


Well Konami DID create shit like Psycho Mantis... And a few games used to do that back when memory cards were a thing.

Yeah. That's nothing new and it certainly doesn't belong to Mass Effect.
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Post by: e105beta on January 16, 2014, 02:21:05 PM
Since when do finishers have to necessarily be QTEs? They were around decades before the advent of pace breaking, hand holding cinematics. I'd rather a skill based finisher over a reflex based QTE any day.

What exactly is a "skill based finisher"?
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Post by: Intersection on January 16, 2014, 02:52:46 PM
wait what, this is news to me, what happens
You get a rare ring. Which you get on your own terms anyway, but only much later in the game.

What exactly is a "skill based finisher"?
A variable finisher move that depends on your current abilities (at least that's my conception of it). And it's an interesting idea, too.
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 16, 2014, 04:22:40 PM
Well we already know there is option to turn of the QTES and possibly at higher difficulty they are automatically turned off. I do respect MS for putting this option. I love QTES for finishing off bosses but for other shit(outside of boss battles) can get tedious. So I will turn off QTES when I am not in a boss battle :P.
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Post by: Munchy on January 16, 2014, 07:22:11 PM
Well we already know there is option to turn of the QTES and possibly at higher difficulty they are automatically turned off. I do respect MS for putting this option. I love QTES for finishing off bosses but for other shit(outside of boss battles) can get tedious. So I will turn off QTES when I am not in a boss battle :P.

Now this is something that's a little confusing to me. Do they mean you can turn off both QTEs and button prompts?

For example, Silent Hill Downpour let you turn off prompts. This meant that when you stand in front of a door, the normal message saying "X to Open" would not pop up on the screen.

Resident Evil 6 for the PC had an option to turn off QTEs if I'm remembering correctly (meaning, auto-complete them, so that no input was required).

So, in LoS2, does this mean that the option just shows you a cinematic kill when it would normally require a QTE? Or will the on screen indicators just vanish?
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 16, 2014, 07:35:14 PM
Now this is something that's a little confusing to me. Do they mean you can turn off both QTEs and button prompts?

For example, Silent Hill Downpour let you turn off prompts. This meant that when you stand in front of a door, the normal message saying "X to Open" would not pop up on the screen.

Resident Evil 6 for the PC had an option to turn off QTEs if I'm remembering correctly (meaning, auto-complete them, so that no input was required).

So, in LoS2, does this mean that the option just shows you a cinematic kill when it would normally require a QTE? Or will the on screen indicators just vanish?
Yes the on screen prompts and QTES will disappear on this option. People who play the recently released demo such as me noticed that option is included to turn them off and will be included in the final game. For example if you grab a brotherhood knight and are about to dispatch him, usually a QTE would appear that you have to press right in order to suck his blood, with QTE turned off, you just press grab button and you bite the sucka. Another example is when Gabriel is on giant robot, QTES will appear which you have to press correctly in order to avoid getting smashed into castle, with the QTES turned off, it just plays with giant robot smashing itself into castle without anything happening to you.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 16, 2014, 07:36:46 PM
MoF HD had the option of disabling QTE's.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 16, 2014, 07:42:02 PM
Soooo guys the legion type monster is called the flesh titan. Ha.
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 16, 2014, 07:51:26 PM
Where did you get the information from of the name?
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Post by: Dremn on January 16, 2014, 07:58:52 PM
Soooo guys the legion type monster is called the flesh titan. Ha.
Dracula has to climb that shit?

Disgusting.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 16, 2014, 07:59:02 PM
Where did you get the information from of the name?
Spanish article.
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 16, 2014, 08:00:42 PM
Got a link? I would like to read it  ;D using the magic of google translate.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 16, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Oh, sorry, it's "Blood Colossus" and it's not a titan :P

Quote
Con ella recuperamos vida y tendremos que usarla para derrotar en primer lugar a uno de los nuevos mid-boss o jefe intermedio que saldrá a nuestro paso: el Coloso de Sangre.
http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/avances/avance-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-61999 (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/avances/avance-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-61999)
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 16, 2014, 08:06:29 PM
Wait I don't think thats legion monster, I thinks thats its the stone golem since I remember from video that explained gameplay you fight the stone golem after regaining the void sword in the castle right before you see kid Trevor.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 16, 2014, 08:07:55 PM
Wait I don't think thats legion monster, I thinks thats its the stone golem since I remember from video that explained gameplay you fight the stone golem after regaining the void sword in the castle right before you see kid Trevor.
Oooh, never mind then, Legion it is :P (I'm still betting Zobek OR chaos/the castle)
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 16, 2014, 08:46:41 PM
I don't get the point of that question with save file. This ain't mass effect. To be honest i am willing to pay DLC if you could actually have a story mode with Alucard rather than a costume change choice although that would be cool too. Alucard would have to have different combat and relic system then Alucard, I wonder how they will incorporate Dark and Light magic to him.

Just curious have any of you played Suikoden I-III with a save file from the first you would be surprised Konami was pulling a mass effect before well... mass effect. Me personally it was just from II-III gotta find the first one physical. Why IV and V did not do this is beyond me but Iv did have that spin off tactics where you could pass data from iv and play as the MC from IV Lazlo is the name I think players call him kind of Like Tir and Ryou (IIRC) from two. Three had their characters named been awhile and I have only beaten I and II  out of the five :'(
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Post by: thernz on January 16, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
so what do you guys think of bioquimek

i was confused until i realized it was derived from the spanish word bioquimica

i like the name, hellish business magnates from spain
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 16, 2014, 09:09:08 PM
Apparently the head of corporation is some hideous Russian witch named Raisa Volkova who we saw in first trailer tossing Dracula through the glass.
http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Alberto%20Lloret/clos2_screen_09.jpg (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Alberto%20Lloret/clos2_screen_09.jpg)
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Post by: Zetheraxza on January 16, 2014, 09:15:08 PM
Apparently the head of corporation is some hideous Russian witch named Raisa Volkova who we saw in first trailer tossing Dracula through the glass.
http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Alberto%20Lloret/clos2_screen_09.jpg (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Alberto%20Lloret/clos2_screen_09.jpg)

Y'know, judging her from trailers and all... She still got a nice body. though. But if I "would" ;) I'd put a bag on 'er head.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 17, 2014, 12:22:40 AM
Apparently the head of corporation is some hideous Russian witch named Raisa Volkova who we saw in first trailer tossing Dracula through the glass.
http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Alberto%20Lloret/clos2_screen_09.jpg (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Alberto%20Lloret/clos2_screen_09.jpg)
At least she's an original character. I prefer her to be a Russian witch named "Raisa Volkova" than LoS's version of Drolta Tzuentes or even Celia Fortner.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 17, 2014, 12:55:38 AM
You get a rare ring. Which you get on your own terms anyway, but only much later in the game.

Aside from the you get a displayed Mina doll in Yoko's shop.

At least she's an original character. I prefer her to be a Russian witch named "Raisa Volkova" than LoS's version of Drolta Tzuentes or even Celia Fortner.

I agree. Urgh... her head. I want to chop it off.

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Post by: The Silverlord on January 17, 2014, 04:27:57 AM
Hmmm, Victor is Tregard

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FI1V7VLf.jpg&hash=67b5f0e1fbc1ec035fa1309f1aba6e1a)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightmare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightmare)
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Post by: The Puritan on January 17, 2014, 05:00:14 AM
At least she's an original character. I prefer her to be a Russian witch named "Raisa Volkova" than LoS's version of Drolta Tzuentes or even Celia Fortner.

Besides, MOF gave us Celia. Well, a Celia as a scroll mention.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on January 17, 2014, 05:04:07 AM
Oh, sorry, it's "Blood Colossus" and it's not a titan :P
http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/avances/avance-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-61999 (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/avances/avance-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-61999)
And is not the one found in the toy dragon ss. it`s the stone golem we saw in the trailers they are talking about.
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Post by: e105beta on January 17, 2014, 10:04:53 AM
At least she's an original character. I prefer her to be a Russian witch named "Raisa Volkova" than LoS's version of Drolta Tzuentes or even Celia Fortner.

Good lord, who would ever want to bring her back?
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Post by: Nagumo on January 17, 2014, 10:39:32 AM
I could ask the same question about Vincent Dorin.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 17, 2014, 10:48:39 AM
I could ask the same question about Vincent Dorin.
Well you might hate Vincent so much that you'd like to see him die like the coward he was.
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 17, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
I agree loved the reference of Vincent Dorin much more than Brauner or Olrox. Glad he died like the coward he is.
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 17, 2014, 01:25:50 PM
I agree loved the reference of Vincent Dorin much more than Brauner or Olrox. Glad he died like the coward he is.

besides him being a coward his hair reminded me of a mushroom hey not as bad as being a football head  :rollseyes:
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Post by: Bergaron on January 17, 2014, 02:02:38 PM
Come on guys and girls, we will see it asleep. Derive a little, which happened on the 24th? and the 25th to podreis buy? Two games.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 17, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
Come on guys and girls, we will see it asleep. Derive a little, which happened on the 24th? and the 25th to podreis buy? Two games.
Podrías escribir en español esa parte? El traductor no ayudó :P
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 17, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
FUCK GAME.CO.UK. They just sent me email telling me they cancelled my preorder of Limited Edition Lords of Shadow 2 because they don't ship outside of Eu. At least I am saving money. Be warned all.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 17, 2014, 02:23:07 PM
Que estais dormidos, el 24 esta a 7 dias y el 25 si todo sale bien podria haber sorpresa doble..
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Post by: Nagumo on January 17, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
I got an email as well about my pre-order being cancelled because they don't ship more than 1 kg outside the UK. I guess they don't want my money.
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Post by: e105beta on January 17, 2014, 02:34:38 PM
FUCK GAME.CO.UK. They just sent me email telling me they cancelled my preorder of Limited Edition Lords of Shadow 2 because they don't ship outside of Eu. At least I am saving money. Be warned all.
I got an email as well about my pre-order being cancelled because they don't ship more than 1 kg outside the UK. I guess they don't want my money.

I got the same fucking email. I was pissed.

If you're still looking for a Collector's Edition, though, the Zaavi LoS2 Steelbook Edition is still buyable. Just pre-ordered mine.

EDIT: Just checked on eBay. People are listing the Dracula's Tomb Edition for $300. I was willing to pay $170, but... *sigh*
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Post by: Eärendil on January 17, 2014, 02:37:45 PM
Speaking of preorders.. Kind of surprised the preorder for the PC version hasn't gone live on Steam yet, considering we're almost a month from launch.
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Post by: alucardsan on January 17, 2014, 02:40:31 PM
Bergaron,ya pregunte el otro día,¿tú sabes si hay DLC de Alucard o parte jugable?.Si soy pesado lo siento
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Post by: e105beta on January 17, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
Open question: Is there really a reason that there's an Australian version and a South African version but not a US version outside of some nostalgia left behind by the British Empire?

Like, really? It's farther away and the currency is different. I don't see why the US isn't getting it.
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Post by: alucardsan on January 17, 2014, 02:49:46 PM
Here in Spain worth  94€ Edition of the tomb of dracula, I deals it game.es
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 17, 2014, 03:55:56 PM
When do you think will we be able to see a new trailer for Lords of Shadow? As far as I know Cox already worked on a trailer some time ago.
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Post by: Dremn on January 17, 2014, 05:14:47 PM
I agree loved the reference of Vincent Dorin much more than Brauner or Olrox. Glad he died like the coward he is.
Yea, I also thought that was one of the better scenes in the game.
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Post by: crisis on January 17, 2014, 07:11:22 PM
its a shame you condone such acts of cruelty, Oswaldo  >:(
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 17, 2014, 08:01:55 PM
Que estais dormidos, el 24 esta a 7 dias y el 25 si todo sale bien podria haber sorpresa doble..
Espera, doble? Por qué? Dios santo ! 2 trailers?
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 17, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
Do you guys think Satan will have a titan form? Possibly the leviathan?  It would be awesome if they had section where you turned into a Dragon like the part in Devil May cry 1 where you turn into a devil and chase mundus that was cool.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 17, 2014, 08:31:47 PM
Do you guys think Satan will have a titan form? Possibly the leviathan?  It would be awesome if they had section where you turned into a Dragon like the part in Devil May cry 1 where you turn into a devil and chase mundus that was cool.
I don't think so, but that would be awesome, I too want the last fight to be Dragon Dracul vs Big thing.
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Post by: Eärendil on January 17, 2014, 08:38:44 PM
In the recent trailer, when Carmilla greets Dracula, she looks to be wearing her attire when she was a founder. Kind of anxious to see how that evolves. Either way, she looks.. uhm.. quite her hot self.. you know.. for a video game animation.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 17, 2014, 08:48:52 PM
In the recent trailer, when Carmilla greets Dracula, she looks to be wearing her attire when she was a founder. Kind of anxious to see how that evolves. Either way, she looks.. uhm.. quite her hot self.. you know.. for a video game animation.

She was perfect in art form, has to be perfect in game form
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20101222205319%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2F4%2F47%2FLordCarmilla.jpg&hash=60f1c853118ee46115e25f8b87bea52f)

Marry me, Carmilla
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Post by: crisis on January 17, 2014, 09:15:19 PM
It's all just an illusion to fuck with Dracula's mind (as is chibi Trevor)
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 17, 2014, 09:16:54 PM
Given Dracula staring when Carmilla kneeling I don't think he cares that it is a dream. :P I mean since death of Succubus in MOF, Dracula is probably really lonely.
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Post by: Little Dracula on January 17, 2014, 09:33:33 PM
I can't help it and preordered the tomb but just for the artbook, the figures and the tomb looks cheap as hell.
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Post by: Munchy on January 17, 2014, 10:19:51 PM
Apparently the head of corporation is some hideous Russian witch named Raisa Volkova who we saw in first trailer tossing Dracula through the glass.
http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Alberto%20Lloret/clos2_screen_09.jpg (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Alberto%20Lloret/clos2_screen_09.jpg)

Sounds pretty cool. Hopefully she'll be a proper boss unlike Baba Yaga.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 18, 2014, 12:56:42 AM
Given Dracula staring when Carmilla kneeling I don't think he cares that it is a dream. :P I mean since death of Succubus in MOF, Dracula is probably really lonely.

Can't he just make another succubus?
Maybe Drac does not care if everything is a dream. It is better for Drac to dream than to face suffering awake, I suppose.
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Post by: Trevorcard on January 18, 2014, 01:07:08 AM
He can't now since he lost most of his powers and castle hates him, poor guy.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 18, 2014, 01:15:43 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami-castlevania.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fbestiary.jpg&hash=60ff6ba3d678ded1075c80290078cdcf)

NPC.

She was perfect in art form, has to be perfect in game form
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Marry me, Carmilla

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Ok Carmilla accept the alliance, let us unite to dethrone Satan and take his place together.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JR on January 18, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
FUCK GAME.CO.UK. They just sent me email telling me they cancelled my preorder of Limited Edition Lords of Shadow 2 because they don't ship outside of Eu. At least I am saving money. Be warned all.

Same here...sons of bitches. It only took them 2 months to tell me.

Between this and pre-ordering the LE of the first game, both of my experiences with GAME pretty much sucked.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 18, 2014, 03:03:06 AM
If you do not live in Europe I would keep the money you are likely to take out a special edition for USA (this would be the logical expectation created)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 18, 2014, 11:02:22 AM
I doubt they would announce a US special edition this late into the game
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on January 18, 2014, 04:36:26 PM
Do you guys think Satan will have a titan form? Possibly the leviathan?  It would be awesome if they had section where you turned into a Dragon like the part in Devil May cry 1 where you turn into a devil and chase mundus that was cool.

Hm... I think everyone knows my thoughts on the Titan battles, but I kinda like the idea of slugging out a giant Satan in Dragon form for world supremacy. Like a biblical version of a kaiju movie, or a nod to that one big robot fight with Axel Gear in Rocket Knight Adventures.

Also, Carmilla looks way better as a human. Her vampire form looked a little too much like one of those grey aliens if you ask me. I wonder if you'll have to fight the founders again (or their apparitions)? Carmilla as the big crying mask thing, Zobek as Death, and Cornell as... something else?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 18, 2014, 04:53:13 PM
Nope I don't think so, though I bet that we will fight Zobek as his Lord of Shadow self.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 18, 2014, 11:37:54 PM
okay guys and girls..... who would win, Dracula in his prime or Dante in his prime (not the DmC version)??
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 19, 2014, 12:37:53 AM
Also, Carmilla looks way better as a human. Her vampire form looked a little too much like one of those grey aliens if you ask me.

Either ways I would still go Japanese Ero Manga on them. Carmilla in human form has DDs though. Consider her Vampiric form (NOT THE SECOND BOSS FORM, HELL NAW!!) as something attractive as a fantasy species such as an Elf, especially WoW's Night Elves where they have full white eyes, purple skin, elven ears and odd hair color. But they still work on an attractive hourglass body and attractive facial symmetry that we males so yearn for and vise versa or in a homosexual sense. That's just human sexuality, they tried to make that bald vampire lady attractive with revealing clothing and feminine body. They managed to engross and arouse at same time. Those Mercurysteam people are quite smart, I tell ya.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on January 19, 2014, 12:50:04 PM
okay guys and girls..... who would win, Dracula in his prime or Dante in his prime (not the DmC version)??

Dante because he has a billion weapons and all that cancelling jazz.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 19, 2014, 02:34:48 PM
WoW Real Carmilla

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ok... in spoiler tag..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 19, 2014, 03:12:04 PM
Is that a Zabrak?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 19, 2014, 03:25:08 PM
AHHHHHH AT LEAST SLAP A SPOIL TAG ON THAT PLEASE!?

I come here to tell y'all about some info the leak guy put out yesterday and I get spooked by....whatever the hell that is.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 19, 2014, 03:43:18 PM
AHHHHHH AT LEAST SLAP A SPOIL TAG ON THAT PLEASE!?

I come here to tell y'all about some info the leak guy put out yesterday and I get spooked by....whatever the hell that is.
What did the leak guy say ?
Dracula because unless you have some plot device to kill him for good  he will keep coming back and back. Other then that I think they are equally matched.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on January 19, 2014, 03:56:15 PM
AHHHHHH AT LEAST SLAP A SPOIL TAG ON THAT PLEASE!?

I come here to tell y'all about some info the leak guy put out yesterday and I get spooked by....whatever the hell that is.
Details please :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 19, 2014, 04:14:34 PM
Details please :P

He is talking about the Zabrak Bergaron posted. Apparently, Kingshango finds Zabraks unhuman, ugly, and offensive. I hope you feel good about yourself, you RACIST! How would you feel if some human commented on your alien physique, huh? If you say that to a wrong Zabrak, they will Force Choke you.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 19, 2014, 04:19:46 PM
Details please :P
What did the leak guy say ?
Dracula because unless you have some plot device to kill him for good  he will keep coming back and back. Other then that I think they are equally matched.

First off, I asked him when we're getting a new trailer and he said close to release as well as a public demo of the game (Bergaron said the trailer(s) are coming possibly this week right? Then that means that a demo will be available to the public a week afterwards)

Secondly, he didn't mention any super plot twist other than Victor being a badass and that Alucard doesn't die offscreen like the rest of the LOS characters, in fact he say's he plays a key role in the game.

Thirdly(or whatever) I asked about any remixes of past Castlevania tunes and he said that, like LOS1, they're will be little homages intewoven into the music, no remasters or anything.

And finally I asked him do we finally get our hands on Zobek and does he have a cool form that resembles Death and fights like him as well. He said we do and while he didn't describe how he looked or fought like, he did go on to say that not only is he quite possibly the best fight in the game, he ranks it as one of the best bossfights in the Castlevania series (in his opinion).  I told him that was an very VEERRRRY blod statement to make. Then again he probably meant in the Lords of Shadow series of Castlevania's but we'll see soon enough.

And on a parting note I asked if we'll ever see him around leaking info when Konami decides to remimagine another series *Coughcontracough*? He say's as long as he doesn't get fired.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 19, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
Daaaaaamn  ;D That some leak lets hope that Zobek boss battle lives up to that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 19, 2014, 04:26:14 PM
Good to hear about Zobek, and good that he is not spoiling that much, just enough to get us hyped. Hope he leaks more about the NEW series ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 19, 2014, 05:43:50 PM
Secondly, he didn't mention any super plot twist other than Victor being a badass and that Alucard doesn't die offscreen like the rest of the LOS characters, in fact he say's he plays a key role in the game.

Wait, does something happens to Alucard?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 19, 2014, 07:22:26 PM
Wait, does something happens to Alucard?

I know Alucard has to die, but... :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 19, 2014, 07:32:08 PM
Wait why does Alucard have to die. I could see him surviving this story and everyone else dying.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 19, 2014, 07:40:42 PM
Wait, does something happens to Alucard?

Wait why does Alucard have to die. I could see him surviving this story and everyone else dying.

To clarify, I asked him does Alucard get more screentime or does he appear in a few scenes and then die a dog's death like most of the characters in the LOS games? And he answered that Alucard does get plenty of screentime and that he plays a pivotal role in the story.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 19, 2014, 07:45:13 PM
Yeah I knew Alucard wasn't going to die like that. I wonder if there is Alucard boss battle?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 19, 2014, 08:07:20 PM
I know Alucard has to die, but... :(
I always thought, that the last line of DoS suggested that Alucard would become the Dark Lord in the next sorrow game (out of neccessity or whatever) and that we'd have to kill him doing him a great sendoff. But alas, that didn't happen.
Wait why does Alucard have to die. I could see him surviving this story and everyone else dying.
Because he's a vampire and hates his existence?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 19, 2014, 08:09:12 PM
Yeah I knew Alucard wasn't going to die like that. I wonder if there is Alucard boss battle?

Well crap, the one question that slipped my mind and forgot to ask. :(

Also, in related news, the game is all done and has gone gold.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on January 19, 2014, 08:12:21 PM
Well crap, the one question that slipped my mind and forgot to ask. :(

Also, in related news, the game is all done and has gone gold.
That's exciting
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 19, 2014, 08:17:35 PM
I always thought, that the last line of DoS suggested that Alucard would become the Dark Lord in the next sorrow game (out of neccessity or whatever) and that we'd have to kill him doing him a great sendoff. But alas, that didn't happen.Because he's a vampire and hates his existence?
Meh. He will get use to it. He probably meet a hot LOS version of Maria Renard :P and feel better.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on January 19, 2014, 08:57:06 PM
Alucard has to die to give the series closure. You can't just have Dracul die and Alucard stick around when there's no longer a purpose for his existence.

He keeps living because he's dedicated himself to destroying his father.

I mean, even classic Alucard went into an eternal slumber after CV3 to rid the world of his cursed bloodline.

This would be similar, except more permanent. Maybe whatever plot device allows Dracul to die allows him to die and move on as well?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 19, 2014, 11:08:18 PM
careful with the theories we write in this forum, MS and Konami are following and it seems they do not like that guesses in the theories.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 19, 2014, 11:25:33 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, produced by Georges R. R. Martin.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 19, 2014, 11:28:37 PM
careful with the theories we write in this forum, MS and Konami are following and it seems they do not like that guesses in the theories.

Oh we know they're watching, in fact Alvarez was here a few days ago just lurking.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 19, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
careful with the theories we write in this forum, MS and Konami are following and it seems they do not like that guesses in the theories.

What are they going to do, change the ending?

Oh god...this is Mass Effect 3 all over again!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 20, 2014, 12:29:53 AM
What are they going to do, change the ending?

Oh god...this is Mass Effect 3 all over again!

Wait, so that means to say, some of our theories did hit the bull's eye?
Ooooooohhhhh....

They cannot change the ending at this stage.

I always thought, that the last line of DoS suggested that Alucard would become the Dark Lord in the next sorrow game (out of neccessity or whatever) and that we'd have to kill him doing him a great sendoff. But alas, that didn't happen.Because he's a vampire and hates his existence?
I didn't think he would become the next dark lord, IGA could have meant that there's gonna be someone else assuming that position.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Bergaron on January 20, 2014, 02:24:45 AM
Oh we know they're watching, in fact Alvarez was here a few days ago just lurking.

in Spanish I am very tired from work....

Lo se, me contactó por mensaje privado, quería que acabaran las filtraciones y de paso saber el nombre del topo, yo le dije la verdad... no hay realmente ningún topo, solo que se me da bien analizar e incluso le ofrecí a explicarle como había llegado a cada una de mis conclusiones (esta industria es jodidamente predecible, especialmente si has estado metido en el mundo de los negocios y el marketing, en realidad los gamers son como ovejas..), pero también entiendo que esto puede complicar la vida a algún empleado de MS y este no tener ni idea, lo he pensado y no vale la pena que por ejercer mi ejercitar mi imaginación un empleado se quede en paro, en España somos muy mal pensados y no se yo si se lo ha creido... así que dejo este "jueguecito" de contar cosas, total tampoco hay mucho que deducir ya y tampoco es que haya contado mucho..

Como ultima predicción aquí dejo mas o menos lo ultimo que le envié en un correo respuesta:

La ventana de hype de LOS2 es muy limitada, en Marzo la NextGen cobrará mucha fuerza con titulos de verdad y no juguetes y la vieja generacion casi caera en el olvido, tenemos a la vuelta de la esquina DarkSoul 2 (juego con publico muy similar al LOS2 y mismos formatos..) y Metal Gear V, lo dicho una ventana del hype muy pequeña apenas 2 semanas (y antes del lanzamiento oficial), si yo fuera el reponsable de marketing mi estrategia seria clara, este fin de semana (un mes antes del lanzamiento oficial) se pone en pre-venta en Steam, el viernes 24 (los viernes son ideales para estas noticias o novedades, quien sepa un poco de comercializacion de ocio ya sabrá porque...) mostraria el megatrailer, con Alucard, el Dragon, ToyMaker... un trailer badass. Un hype por las nubes y la pre-venta activada en steam (donde se concentraran la mitad de las ventas de este juego) como toque final y para quemar todas las naves porque dentro de 3 semanas se les acabo el hype y la atencion mediatica haría que la gente es que reacia a realizar pre-compras lo comprara, para eso, sacaria el MoF en Steam en una de estas dos modalidades,

A) En un pack con el LOS2 por 10/15 euros mas en el precio (poco probable),
B) Vendiendolo por separado en Steam por 20/25 euros pero al igual que en consolas dando acceso con su compra a la BETA de PC de LOS2.. no os extraña que no haya beta de PC..?? algo quieren hacer con ella  ;D . 

Me decanto mas bien por esta ultima porque da mas beneficios económicos y deja un campo mas abierto y menos criticable por los compradores para dentro de 1 año sacar una edicion definitiva con los 3 juegos y los DLC. En ambos casos tanto el A) como el B) el MoF estaria listo para jugarse en ese mismo momento, con lo cual los jugadores que no son fan de la pre-compra acabarian comprandolo porque tendrian algo con que jugar en ese momento.

Pero repito esto es lo que YO haria, que no tiene porque parecerse con la realidad...

Un placer gente.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on January 20, 2014, 03:02:20 AM
We are a Castlevania fanbase on a Castlevania forum discussing Castlevania games. We are awaiting a new Castlevania game. Guessing plot points and gameplay stuff is what we do.

And since there are so many varying games within the franchise, some of which we know the devs are fans of, or have recognized in the last two LoS games as references and eastereggs, (as well as just being genre and story savvy, and having a "hunch" for these things) It would not be surprising if we guessed some top secret plot twist.

I would mention the Alucard situation in MoF, but that simply wasn't hidden very well. A little misdirection could have gone a long way. AKA show some of him, maybe show some of him speaking, or just appearing in a cutscene. hiding him the way they did, while releasing his design, was very peculiar for such a fan favorite character, which led to speculation as to why, which led to analysis of his design, which was similar to Trevor's, and well, there you go.

Also the fact that after LoS1 and Cox's misdirection attempts there, anything he says or denies automatically gets considered a lie or more misdirection.

So saying "No, Trevor is not Alucard", automatically had people thinking "Trevor must be Alucard"

I apologize if the devs who lurk here don't like that we are trying to guess their story, but it comes with the territory of being CV fans, and they should expect that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jestercolony on January 20, 2014, 03:57:19 AM
I GOT IT!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on January 20, 2014, 05:25:58 AM
careful with the theories we write in this forum, MS and Konami are following and it seems they do not like that guesses in the theories.

What, are they afraid or something?

If anything, they should be happily incorporating our hypothesises into the game. Would make for much better twists (crisis proposed some, Ashaverus proposed some, just to start), and would explain the story much more concisely than what I've seen until now. Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I am saying, Konami and MS lurkers, LoS's plot went from "maybe I was wrong about this game!" to "WTF this was the twist??", you should be ashamed of it, and we can do much better at it than you. It looks like a wacky fanfiction (c'mon, the big bad up 'till now is Satan, thrown in on the story at the last fuckin' minute with the most cryptic clues in a game after Simon's Quest that hinted at his appearance and that could mean fuckin' anything! Why not keep Zobek, that magnificent bastard, and construct Satan's appearance better on LoS2???), with a paper-thin character inserted in (the originals didn't try to disguise their paper-thin characteristic with fabricated pathos as you're doing), and unnecessary fanservice, as if trying to appeal to long-time fans' nostalgia, hiding the fact that you raped their names. I'll never forgive you for Brauner and Trevor Belmont. The only character that's been holding my atention and curiosity up until now is Rinaldo Gandolfi. He didn't show his face once, but his backstory has been delivered so well that I can't stop wondering about his fate. You'll throw some bullshit about him on our faces on LoS2, won't you? I know you will.

Gameplay elements? What, so you think you're innovating so goddamn much about the hack n' slash genre that you don't like us "spoiling" your game before it's out? This could be a pretty funny joke...

My final opinion is: LoS2 is looking gorgeous and mildly interesting, in fact, and I recognize that I'm being pretty dramatic.
However now, read carefully: It is looking gorgeous and interesting, doesn't mean it'll will be gorgeous and interesting in its entirety. Previous experience with both LoS games tells me that the "gorgeous" part will be relegated to graphics only. The story went from picturesque and exquisite to mediocre and terribly predictable (with very, VERY few truly awesome tidbits thrown in, like making the castle truly alive, being honest here), and you reaaaaally should not whine, and instead, listen to your CVDungeon fans, because we have played Castlevania and dozens of other games much more than you can imagine, and we know our shit. A single Dungeonite has more Castlevania on his thumb than the whole Konami's creative department together with their whole families and pets.

Whew, I had to vent dramatically xD
Knowing that they watch us and "don't like" what we think sends me over the edge. They don't have to like or not, they have to produce something top-notch (REALLY top-notch, no "mainstream" top-notch) and sell quality games. Saying that they don't like their fan's opinions and demonstrations of interest (like developing theories) just looks like they want us to simply shut up and buy any trash they want to sell us, even if it is fecal matter on a sardine tin. Maybe, that's what they want, in the end...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 20, 2014, 05:35:54 AM
Then again who says that one guy stating the fact that they don't like our theories is telling the truth? I think we cannot say for sure. It would be something else if someone from MS or Konami would say it himself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 20, 2014, 06:36:36 AM
They're just mad because I guessed Rinaldo is actually the Toymaker.  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 20, 2014, 07:15:48 AM
Hahaha chill Enric, we do our guesses and love our little leaks because we're INTERESTED and we are so more than any part of the internet. We love drama, conjetures, guesses, it's part of every CV launch around here. And as someone said, perhaps you could grab an intresting thing or two for your game. There hasn't been a single damaging "info" everything has lead us to more hype, and you know what, we've most certainly spread the word. For example, I used to create a thread in neogaf for screens, and it would get 1000 views, but with every new news I created more and more, each time they had some hundred more, now the last screens thread got 40000 views and the one
 about the rape article? 110000. I'm not saying I'm the marketing responsible, but we all give the game more exposure than the konami marketing so when it hits it gets harder.

And you really thinl people wold not expect a Zobek bossfight? Los

Can't wait for your game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on January 20, 2014, 07:48:12 AM
They're just mad because I guessed Rinaldo is actually the Toymaker.  :)
I remember it was stated in one the Fallen Knight Scrolls in MOF that the Toy Maker was of Gandolfi`s best apprentice.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on January 20, 2014, 08:03:21 AM
I remember it was stated in one the Fallen Knight Scrolls in MOF that the Toy Maker was of Gandolfi`s best apprentice.

I see you noticed the red herring.  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on January 20, 2014, 08:18:30 AM
I see you noticed the red herring.  :)
Prob`lly it was. We would have to wait till LOS2 comes out to get the real answer to our question.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on January 20, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
She was perfect in art form, has to be perfect in game form
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20101222205319%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2F4%2F47%2FLordCarmilla.jpg&hash=60f1c853118ee46115e25f8b87bea52f)

Marry me, Carmilla

You do know she's a lesbian, right?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 20, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
You do know she's a lesbian, right?
Welp, time to get a sex change.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 20, 2014, 11:05:51 AM
Quote
I always thought, that the last line of DoS suggested that Alucard would become the Dark Lord in the next sorrow game (out of neccessity or whatever) and that we'd have to kill him doing him a great sendoff. But alas, that didn't happen.
Well, I always thought that the only individuals in the old cannon who had a legitimate claim to becoming the next true dark lord were Alucard and Soma. I was also theorizing that there would come a point in which Alucard would start to see that people would always come after to Soma and try to turn him.  So, Alucard decides to prevent that from happening by killing Soma himself but Soma defends himself and the two have an epic battle to the death. The winner would be the first one to give into darkness, which would give him the edge to kill the other and ascend to the throne.

As for Alucard in the LoS universe, once Dracul is dead, he either commit suicide or seal himself away for eternity.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 20, 2014, 11:06:09 AM
Konami bro is a hero to us all, I hope he keeps his job. He does a better job getting me excited for these games than Konami's marketing team does.

I fully expect Alucard to die in this game too, once Gabriel is freed from his immortality the Belmont Clan will dissolve along with it's oldest members. Victor will probably live, acting as the Belmont family's 2nd chance at a normal, happy life.

Or maybe everything isn't solved and Victor keeps tradition going.

Very excited to hear him talk about Zobek having a great fight, I'm pretty convinced Konami guy is not just talking hype after leaking all the cool bits about Mirror of Fate ahead of time. I'll just be over here crossing my fingers for the best arrangement of "Room of Closed Associates" to play during that fight.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 20, 2014, 11:09:34 AM
I think that it will be Alucard who will destroy Dracula (maybe even after Dracula told him to do so), because Zobek might be killed and destroyed at that point.
Do you think that Alucard will be a boss fight? If he is what would make him different from  a Victor Belmont fight aside from the weapons? Do you think he would use Vampire abilities? Do you think that Alucard would transform?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on January 20, 2014, 11:19:35 AM
Or they could pull an Abrams Star Trek 2, and have Alucard freed from immortality and Gabriel is the one to fall into an "eternal" sleep. Gabriel then becomes the dark protector of the world as his atonement. That leaves it open to future sequels with Gabriel remaining the main character and Trevor appearing as a Force Ghost.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 20, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
I remembered something, the leaked mission/chapter list lists Alucard/Trevor and Zobek a bunch of times but at a certain point "Alucard" stops showing up during a pivotal chapter with Zobek. I think Zobek might kill Alucard and that explains why Gabriel will fight him?

I'm probably way off but we'll see.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on January 20, 2014, 11:56:11 AM
I think Gabriel already has enough of a reason to want to kill Zobek.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on January 20, 2014, 01:12:14 PM
They're just mad because I guessed Rinaldo is actually the Toymaker.  :)

From all of his machines, my guess is that he's Frankenstein.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 20, 2014, 01:20:58 PM
From all of his machines, my guess is that he's Frankenstein.
Don't think so, as Gabriel had to collect Frankenstein's fingers in the DLC. But after all, we don't know.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 20, 2014, 01:23:14 PM
I think that it will be Alucard who will destroy Dracula (maybe even after Dracula told him to do so), because Zobek might be killed and destroyed at that point.
Do you think that Alucard will be a boss fight? If he is what would make him different from  a Victor Belmont fight aside from the weapons? Do you think he would use Vampire abilities? Do you think that Alucard would transform?

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 20, 2014, 01:56:58 PM
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Is there a picture of this guy?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 20, 2014, 01:59:42 PM
I´m sorry google translator is not the best way to communicate, i said in spanish

Parece que no les sienta bien algunas "adivinanzas" o teorias, ¿porque? porque sean spoilers o no lo recriminan y dicen que tiene que acabar, lo cual no entiendo, sepa o yo no algo, lo adivine o no puedo contarlo si yo quiero... eso es lo que queria decir, pero con la traduccion al ingles se ha interpretado diferente. No es que no les guste lo que imaginais aqui.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 20, 2014, 02:41:27 PM
Hmm, I'd think he might turn into a bat form, similiar to the vampires in LoS 1, but not as monstrous but more asthetic if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 20, 2014, 02:43:20 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.vidaextra.com%2F2014%2F01%2F200114-castlevania-lords2-lucha.jpg&hash=d79aff23e8de3157bd8c916b9f713258)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.vidaextra.com%2Fgalleries%2F200114-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2%2F200114-castlevania-lords2-08.jpg&hash=237064a0410874515a113ab832fab326)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 20, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Zobek needs to kill Alucard because he has the stake of the Vampire Killer and he promised it to Gabriel. he will be like "I told you I was going to give you the VK, and that included killing your own son for that" and then battle ensues.

@bergaron: You're our hero, please never leave us

http://www.vidaextra.com/galeria/200114-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/9/ (http://www.vidaextra.com/galeria/200114-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/9/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 20, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Zobek needs to kill Alucard because he has the stake of the Vampire Killer and he promised it to Gabriel. he will be like "I told you I was going to give you the VK, and that included killing your own son for that" and then battle ensues.
Well shit. Looks like I wasn't far off then if this is how it will play out.

Poor Trevor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 20, 2014, 03:47:53 PM
I remembered something, the leaked mission/chapter list lists Alucard/Trevor and Zobek a bunch of times but at a certain point "Alucard" stops showing up during a pivotal chapter with Zobek. I think Zobek might kill Alucard and that explains why Gabriel will fight him?

I'm probably way off but we'll see.

I feel like Alucard has to be the one to finish off Gabriel. It's so...poetic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 20, 2014, 04:06:24 PM
I guess that Gab will see his end in the hands of both Victor and Alucard. The Brotherhood elders told Marie that ''Trevor and his lineage will be the only ones capable to stop him'' or something like that
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 20, 2014, 04:15:29 PM
I feel like Alucard has to be the one to finish off Gabriel. It's so...poetic.
Either Alucard or Victor.

I expect it to be Victor for obvious reasons.

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He's pretty much Julius too, why wouldn't the strongest/last Belmont be the one to deliver the coup de grâce?

I wonder if the "Lost Soul" will return in LoS2. It's obvious it's Zobek or has a connection to him, but I'd like to see it explained in-game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Thy Gory Rory on January 20, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
I'm just gonna have a little fantard moment and say I'd be totally chill with Alucard in this universe being the equivalent of what Raiden is to the Metal Gear Solid franchise. Yeah, it's already been discussed about Konami either milking the opportunity or wasting it. The current state of this situation has been a very complacent happy medium. We'll soon find out within the storyline of LoS2...

Also, I'm really intrigued with "The Lieutenant" speculation. Cool overall design. When you zoom in up close to the figurines in the "Dracula's Tomb Premium Edition" photo you do see somewhat of a wolf design similar to Alucard's MoF werewolf design (especially with the red slanted eyes). I believe the upper leg armor is somewhat on par with his regular stylized look, too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on January 20, 2014, 07:03:56 PM
Zobek needs to kill Alucard because he has the stake of the Vampire Killer and he promised it to Gabriel. he will be like "I told you I was going to give you the VK, and that included killing your own son for that" and then battle ensues.

@bergaron: You're our hero, please never leave us

http://www.vidaextra.com/galeria/200114-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/9/ (http://www.vidaextra.com/galeria/200114-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/9/)
think i will give the stake to Victor coz prob`lly like MOF it should be him and not Alucard who can kill it, same as Simon on that game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 20, 2014, 08:00:05 PM
Here is a food for thought that I got from Gamefaqs forums :P don't know if they will portray in the game. But Alucard has to feed to survive right? So is he feeding it on animals or monsters like mirror of fate or HUMANS in centuries before modern setting. Does he feed on criminals? Kinda of like a benevolent hannibal. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 20, 2014, 08:05:50 PM
Here is a food for thought :P don't know if they will portray in the game. But Alucard has to feed to survive right? So is he feeding it on animals or monsters like mirror of fate or HUMANS in centuries before modern setting. Does he feed on criminals? Kinda of like a benevolent hannibal. What do you guys think?
If he feed on humans he'd look as Trevor, and for all we know he's still grey, unless he decided to go full Genya Arikado.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 20, 2014, 08:08:58 PM
I am just wondering because he looks way better than he did in MOF, maybe a stylstic choice but also I don't expect Alucard to look like old Dracula so I expect he is drinking blood of some sort.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 20, 2014, 08:09:48 PM
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How did Iga Alucard feed? He could eat regular food, right?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 20, 2014, 08:23:59 PM
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How did Iga Alucard feed? He could eat regular food, right?
IGA Alucard is a dhampir (half-vampire, half-human). They can survive either by food or drinking blood. LoS Alucard is a full vampire so he needs blood and only blood to survive. We just don't know if he feeds on humans or animals yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 20, 2014, 08:28:52 PM
I am just wondering because he looks way better than he did in MOF, maybe a stylstic choice but also I don't expect Alucard to look like old Dracula so I expect he is drinking blood of some sort.
Console limitations. As you can see from the MoF artwork, he was always meant to be a beautiful man (of course, it's Trevor, I mean, take me, now).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 20, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
IGA Alucard is a dhampir (half-vampire, half-human). They can survive either by food or drinking blood. LoS Alucard is a full vampire so he needs blood and only blood to survive. We just don't know if he feeds on humans or animals yet.

Lol. I was joking, I know what you mean. I am interested in knowing that.... But pot roast is in Mof....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on January 20, 2014, 11:31:56 PM
One thing Id like to see happen is God popping in at the end and telling Gabe what's up. Saying that He never made any promises, only "Holy" men like the Brotherhood and Zobek, so Gabes anger is WAY misdirected. Then he tells Gabe that he loves him, but that Gabe is too gullible and thats not Gods fault.

Then God pimps away.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on January 21, 2014, 04:09:23 AM
careful with the theories we write in this forum, MS and Konami are following and it seems they do not like that guesses in the theories.

Well gee, that's just too fucking bad now isn't it?

That's not their call. Quite an arrogant thing to try and crack down on. If they're really that afraid their 'story' may be spoiled, then maybe they should actually craft a good and unexpected narrative. You can see through their "plot twists" a mile away before the games are even out.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 21, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Yeah. You know it's a bad thing when people are buzzing and talking about your games.  :P

If there really is anybody at Konami or MS who feels offended by fans discussing their games, they really need to pull their heads out of their asses. That is just ridiculous.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 21, 2014, 09:25:08 AM
Well gee, that's just too fucking bad now isn't it?

That's not their call. Quite an arrogant thing to try and crack down on. If they're really that afraid their 'story' may be spoiled, then maybe they should actually craft a good and unexpected narrative. You can see through their "plot twists" a mile away before the games are even out.
That's what I was going to say. If they read this forums, they might actually get a GOOD idea of what NOT to do, and hell, I consider a lot of us here(if anything, all of us) very bright and imaginative. They can actually pick up on some of the GREAT ideas we come up with. We DO come up with some interesting things during the storm of speculation!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 21, 2014, 09:55:31 AM
That's what I was going to say. If they read this forums, they might actually get a GOOD idea of what NOT to do, and hell, I consider a lot of us here(if anything, all of us) very bright and imaginative. They can actually pick up on some of the GREAT ideas we come up with. We DO come up with some interesting things during the storm of speculation!

But we come up with ideas based on what they give us.... You have to have the whole thing planned out so the people making the game can be working on it, Mercurysteam can't just change direction at random.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 21, 2014, 10:03:51 AM
Bergaron already stated that he expressed it in a wrong way. They DO like us discussing about the game and making theories. They just don't like the leaks which is understandable....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 21, 2014, 10:30:29 AM
I'm sure they've got a laugh of two from us.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on January 21, 2014, 11:07:28 AM
To be fair, have the leaks about LoS2 been that spectacular? Konami-kun from 4chan has mostly teased and hinted so far. It's not like he revealed the obligatory shocking plot twist yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 21, 2014, 11:21:33 AM
we all know Dracula is gonna be redeemed back to Gabriel at the end, just like Darth Vader why is every1 in denial
this is the "shocking twist"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 21, 2014, 11:22:46 AM
Bergaron already stated that he expressed it in a wrong way. They DO like us discussing about the game and making theories. They just don't like the leaks which is understandable....

Leaks can't happen without someone from their camp releasing info. If we happen to hit on certain plot twists just by pure speculation, that is not the same thing as a leak. It's a lucky guess. And there's no way to know that any of that speculation is correct unless it get's officially released.

So where is the harm?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on January 21, 2014, 11:36:06 AM
To be fair, have the leaks about LoS2 been that spectacular? Konami-kun from 4chan has mostly teased and hinted so far. It's not like he revealed the obligatory shocking plot twist yet.
Exactly, the've been teases, not full on leaks, while we, in the Castlevania Dungeon might guess one point or two fro that info, that's because we've followed every piece of information and have previous experience with the series (your "friend" always betrays you in Castlevania, that stuff) and we don't really have our purchase tied to a plot twist, we'll buy the game /anyway/, and more often than not, what happens here, remains here.
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this is the "shocking twist"
And he deserves it, but I hope there is more.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 21, 2014, 11:59:10 AM
That's true. Anyways, what I would like to see is an interview with Patrick Stewart about LoS 1 and 2. :D Wonder why they never let him talk about the game. I don't think that he would deny an interview nor feel uncomfortable when talking about the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 21, 2014, 12:26:26 PM
Pat Stew was just hired to read lines from the script. i doubt he knows anything about castlevania. y'know just like how Hugo Weaving said despite signing a contract to voice Megatron he knows nothing about the Transformers series
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: shelverton. on January 21, 2014, 12:40:06 PM
If someone would come here and actually leak the story, that would kind of an asshole thing to do. I like leaks such as music tracks, certain boss characters or even parts of the gameworld map. But spoiling the story kinda ruins the game for me. Speculating is fine, cause you don't know for sure.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 21, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
If someone would come here and actually leak the story, that would kind of an asshole thing to do. I like leaks such as music tracks, certain boss characters or even parts of the gameworld map. But spoiling the story kinda ruins the game for me. Speculating is fine, cause you don't know for sure.

Exactly. We would be as pissed or even more pissed than Mercurysteam. I've never met anyone who enjoys spoilers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 21, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
I've never met anyone who enjoys spoilers.
Raises arm up super slow-like*
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 21, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
Raises arm up super slow-like*

Die monster.....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 21, 2014, 03:04:59 PM
Hopefully, the trailer up the hype, because between DS2, MGS5 Wicher3 and there are very few reviews or news los2, the expectation falls, many of my friends do not even know that the game comes out next month and that some do not even exist.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 21, 2014, 03:16:25 PM
The question is when is the trailer going to be released?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 21, 2014, 03:22:01 PM
The question is when is the trailer going to be released?

If not by the end of this week, then definitely at the beginning of February with the public demo the following week.
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Post by: crisis on January 21, 2014, 03:30:21 PM
lol, silly rabbits

the trailer will be released a day AFTER the game is released
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 21, 2014, 03:40:25 PM
I don't mind spoilers at all.

You guys shouldn't too, since this is a spoiler topic by essence. If someone posted the entire story here without putting it on spoiler tags, he wouldn't be at fault at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 21, 2014, 03:49:42 PM
I don't mind spoils at all.

You guys shouldn't too, since this is a spoiler topic by essence. If someone posted the entire story here without spoiling it, he wouldn't be at fault at all.

Wait.... What?
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Post by: Maedhros on January 21, 2014, 04:03:41 PM
Edited the post.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 21, 2014, 04:06:55 PM
The trailer must be released by the end of this week simply because there are two trailers that are going to be released until the release of the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 21, 2014, 06:46:49 PM
I don't mind spoilers at all.

You guys shouldn't too, since this is a spoiler topic by essence. If someone posted the entire story here without putting it on spoiler tags, he wouldn't be at fault at all.

He wouldn't be at fault... but he would be an asshole. There is a difference between spoiling the whole story and spoiling little things that just make us want to play the game even more.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gunlord on January 21, 2014, 08:00:49 PM
Yeah, I'm with Esteban. While I'm not the sort of guy to get too worked up over spoilers, we do have spoiler tags here in this forum. There's no point having 'em if you don't use 'em, right? Leaks will happen, but if you've got some juicy info you think CV fans might like, just put 'em under spoiler tags as a caution--better safe than sorry and all :)
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Post by: Dremn on January 21, 2014, 11:25:35 PM
He wouldn't be at fault... but he would be an asshole. There is a difference between spoiling the whole story and spoiling little things that just make us want to play the game even more.
Then don't hang in the spoiler thread?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 22, 2014, 01:52:16 AM
Calm down people~♪♫

I personally don't mind minor game spoilers during the speculation phase. It helps fuel the speculations and keep the topic on the game alive. When the game's released then it is ok to post the major spoiler.

Although my attitude towards the movies is different. I would rather like being spoiled so that I won't waste money on a movie that I don't like.
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Post by: shelverton. on January 22, 2014, 03:19:35 AM
Then don't hang in the spoiler thread?

I understand if people wanna discuss and spoil the entire game when it's out in stores. But spoiling the story a whole month before the game is released? I dunno. It's not the kind of spoilers I expect from this thread and I would probably prefer if that person used spoiler tags even in here. I know I would if I actually had any spoilerific information to share. Because it's the nice thing to do. But now I'm getting ahead of myself. Nobody's spoiled anything yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on January 22, 2014, 05:36:08 AM
Hi guys, I am new in the forum; I wait can comment about the new LoS 2, the most expected game for me.

 Ok, David Cox have confirmed to me via twitter that, the artbook incluides in the tomb edtion is different from the another artbook that is sell apart "The art of Castlevania" (sorry, I am spanish and my english it's a little rusty).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 22, 2014, 09:37:17 AM
I've got a question since I'm usually not that interested in achievements, but for this game I am: When doy you think will the achievements of LOS 2 be revealed?
Maybe the achievements will give us a hint of some bosses and or show their faces on the achievement icon. Again these might just support the hype for the upcoming release.
When are these achievements usually revealed?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 22, 2014, 09:57:02 AM
Ok, David Cox have confirmed to me via twitter that, the artbook incluides in the tomb edtion is different from the another artbook that is sell apart "The art of Castlevania" (sorry, I am spanish and my english it's a little rusty).
Cool, I'll probably be getting that when it's out. I hope there's some artwork in there we haven't seen yet.
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on January 22, 2014, 10:07:02 AM
I thought that this had been established a while ago, from Cox, re: the artbook (by Titan Books) and the Tomb edition of the game's artbook. :)  There is now also the limited edition of the Titan Books artbook, which I mentioned in the artbook thread.  I'm also massively hoping for plenty of previously unseen shinies in either book.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 22, 2014, 11:00:42 AM
I've got a question since I'm usually not that interested in achievements, but for this game I am: When doy you think will the achievements of LOS 2 be revealed?
Maybe the achievements will give us a hint of some bosses and or show their faces on the achievement icon. Again these might just support the hype for the upcoming release.
When are these achievements usually revealed?
Around 2/3 weeks before launch.
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 22, 2014, 11:25:25 AM
A new trailer by the end of this week would be an awesome  :)

Also is odd that I want Konami to give this game a commercial, no commercials?
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 22, 2014, 11:29:49 AM
Around 2/3 weeks before launch.

Thanks for the info. Maybe the Zobek Boss achievement icon will show a skeletal face. :P
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on January 22, 2014, 12:19:42 PM
A new trailer by the end of this week would be an awesome  :)

Also is odd that I want Konami to give this game a commercial, no commercials?

Agreed, on both points.  I'd lve to see a live action commercial in the vein of Lament of Innocence's ad, with someone dressed as Gabriel, with Robert Carlyle doing the voice-over.  That would rock.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on January 22, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
Update on the Dracula's Tomb edition of LoS2.  It appears that the figurine of Dracul has been pulled, leaving just the figures of Zobek, Victor, and the Lieutenant.  Seemingly to make up for this, GAME are now throwing in all of the dlc packs.  *Scowls.*  I'm really puzzled as to why no figurines of Gabriel and his son.  If anyone has any clue as to why the details of the edition were changed, I'd really apreciate to hear, as I'm sure others who've preordered this will be.
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Post by: Flame on January 22, 2014, 02:16:55 PM
Hey guys, I just had a thought...

Remember how putting the Konami Code in LoS1 gave you an 8 bit CV2 Simon that imitated your actions?

What if this time, doing the same gives you an 8 bit DRACULA sprite..? how awesome would that be?
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Post by: EstebanT on January 22, 2014, 03:06:15 PM
Update on the Dracula's Tomb edition of LoS2.  It appears that the figurine of Dracul has been pulled, leaving just the figures of Zobek, Victor, and the Lieutenant.  Seemingly to make up for this, GAME are now throwing in all of the dlc packs.  *Scowls.*  I'm really puzzled as to why no figurines of Gabriel and his son.  If anyone has any clue as to why the details of the edition were changed, I'd really apreciate to hear, as I'm sure others who've preordered this will be.

Well still better than the special edition we Americans aren't getting. Btw rhapsody of the darkness? Nice!
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on January 22, 2014, 03:38:46 PM
. Btw rhapsody of the darkness? Nice!

Yup!  It's not my favourite Versailles song by a long shot, but I like those lines from it. :)  Ascendead Master, Aristocrat's Symphony, Masquerade, Zombie, Revenant Choir, and God Palace are my favourites.  I love their very Castlevania-esque costumes.  (And yes, I know that Gackt, formally of Malice Mizer, practically cosplayed as Alucard in his video for 'Mizerable'.)
  I saw Versailles live twice, the second of which had a meet n greet.  Amazing experience.  Sadly, I can't say the same for Jupiter, as I'm really not impressed by their new vocalist Zin, younger replacement model imo for the far superior Kamijo, who's a walking Lestat if there was one.  :)

As for the Tomb edition amendments, it just feels a bit of a let down, even if yeah, the figures aren't the most incredible.  For the £100 price tag, you'd hope that you'd get something a bit more fancy, like how for LoS1 you got the god mask replica.  Truth be told, I'd like to know why the figurines original line up at the very least didn't have Alucard/Trevor and Marie.  That said though, I'm mainly pre-ordering the Tomb edition for the artbook, whcih I'm a sucker for.
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Post by: Dremn on January 22, 2014, 03:53:39 PM
I really want to see Zobek's "Death" form, the Necromancer is a really cool take on the traditional robed/grim reaper look Death has had in the series forever. I hope Zobek has something similar, giant scythe and all.
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 22, 2014, 04:13:00 PM
Agreed, on both points.  I'd lve to see a live action commercial in the vein of Lament of Innocence's ad, with someone dressed as Gabriel, with Robert Carlyle doing the voice-over.  That would rock.

I wonder if anyone could ask cox or something. Or if their reading this all what I have to say is

Family Guy - Mr. Griffin Goes to Washington - Come On - 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O53hM8smids#)
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on January 22, 2014, 04:18:53 PM
I wonder if anyone could ask cox or something.

Agreed!  Right, who's on Twitter, who'd like to do the honours?
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Post by: e105beta on January 22, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
Update on the Dracula's Tomb edition of LoS2.  It appears that the figurine of Dracul has been pulled, leaving just the figures of Zobek, Victor, and the Lieutenant.  Seemingly to make up for this, GAME are now throwing in all of the dlc packs.  *Scowls.*  I'm really puzzled as to why no figurines of Gabriel and his son.  If anyone has any clue as to why the details of the edition were changed, I'd really apreciate to hear, as I'm sure others who've preordered this will be.

Looks like the guy who's buying my EU copy of the game will appreciate that.

Works for me. I'm a default skin kind of guy

As for the Tomb edition amendments, it just feels a bit of a let down, even if yeah, the figures aren't the most incredible.  For the £100 price tag, you'd hope that you'd get something a bit more fancy, like how for LoS1 you got the god mask replica.  Truth be told, I'd like to know why the figurines original line up at the very least didn't have Alucard/Trevor and Marie.  That said though, I'm mainly pre-ordering the Tomb edition for the artbook, whcih I'm a sucker for.

I'm the sucker who's paying $260 USD for it because GAME won't ship it overseas. Gotta love eBay
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Post by: EstebanT on January 22, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
Yup!  It's not my favourite Versailles song by a long shot, but I like those lines from it. :)  Ascendead Master, Aristocrat's Symphony, Masquerade, Zombie, Revenant Choir, and God Palace are my favourites.  I love their very Castlevania-esque costumes.  (And yes, I know that Gackt, formally of Malice Mizer, practically cosplayed as Alucard in his video for 'Mizerable'.)
  I saw Versailles live twice, the second of which had a meet n greet.  Amazing experience.  Sadly, I can't say the same for Jupiter, as I'm really not impressed by their new vocalist Zin, younger replacement model imo for the far superior Kamijo, who's a walking Lestat if there was one.  :)

As for the Tomb edition amendments, it just feels a bit of a let down, even if yeah, the figures aren't the most incredible.  For the £100 price tag, you'd hope that you'd get something a bit more fancy, like how for LoS1 you got the god mask replica.  Truth be told, I'd like to know why the figurines original line up at the very least didn't have Alucard/Trevor and Marie.  That said though, I'm mainly pre-ordering the Tomb edition for the artbook, whcih I'm a sucker for.

Dude. I agree with everything you just said regarding Versailles, Kamijo, Lestat, Jupiter, and LOS2. Except for Zombie I prefer Forbidden Gate. I love the intro to Rhapsody of the darkness. I like Klaha more than Gackt.

Im just getting the limited edition artbook. I cant afford to get the special edition from EU.

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Post by: TatteredSeraph on January 23, 2014, 12:53:06 AM
Dude. I agree with everything you just said regarding Versailles, Kamijo, Lestat, Jupiter, and LOS2. Except for Zombie I prefer Forbidden Gate. I love the intro to Rhapsody of the darkness. I like Klaha more than Gackt.

Im just getting the limited edition artbook. I cant afford to get the special edition from EU.

*Laughs*  Oh, I also love Forbidden Gate.  The problem I have is trying to choose between them all, asde for a few songs.  I think that Desert Apple is the one which I flat out hate, followed by Libido (apart for live, when it works better), and Edge of the World.  I think that Versailles' last album was sadly a let-down, I think because Kamijo wasn't as involved with the writing as before.  I suspect a fall out more than being just burnt out.  Ah well!  I'm now looking forward to Kamijo's solo mini-album.  From the CD Japan interview thing with him for the release of his solo debut single 'Louis', I'm responsible for him quoting IwtV's 'I assume I need no introduction'.  XD
  I prefer the style of music from Klaha's era of MM, but Gackt's era brought Illuminatti, Regret, and Gekka no Yasoukyoku - Nocturne in the Moonlight.  It was reading about that on the CV Dungeon which introduced me to visual kei music, and I haven't looked back since, having grown up listening to 70s glam rock.

Ahem.  Apologies for the slight thread derailment.

   It would be nice to see a release of some decent, good-sized LoS figurines.  Gabriel/Dracul, Marie, and Alucard/Trevor all definitely deserve their own figures.  I'm not much of one for figurines normally (artbooks are more my thing), but I would definitely get good LoS ones.  The NECA Alucard was a bit fo a disappointment for me, so I didn't collect any of the others.  As for the artbooks, I really do hope that there's some really good new and unseen artwork in them.  I've really loved LoS's art style, which is saying something considering that Ayami Kojima's art style is responsible for me getting to Castlevania to begin with.
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Post by: flyingchai on January 23, 2014, 04:49:02 AM
Per the official LOS FB, New Trailer today at 2pm GMT...about an hour and a quarter from now.
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Post by: Flame on January 23, 2014, 05:06:04 AM
Per the official LOS FB, New Trailer today at 2pm GMT...about an hour and a quarter from now.
Oh man i'm excited
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 05:29:22 AM
What? When? New trailer??
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Post by: Kingshango on January 23, 2014, 05:39:25 AM
Per the official LOS FB, New Trailer today at 2pm GMT...about an hour and a quarter from now.
:D

So that means the demo will go public next week then, if leak guy was right on the money.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 06:00:43 AM
[New Official] Dracula's Destiny Trailer HD [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBiyEWc3GA#ws)
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Post by: Kingshango on January 23, 2014, 06:27:53 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m22tk69pkR1qzi80do1_500.gif&hash=188bb5758d6f76ba4f601ab3a6cbe937)

It's almost here.
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Post by: Flame on January 23, 2014, 06:40:50 AM
FUCK YES

I-is that... Death..?

Also calling it now- final battle will be Gabriel Belmont vs Dracul

Through whatever contrivance, Gabriel Belmont, will fight himself as Dracul, and YOU will control Gabriel.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 06:55:27 AM
Welp, great second form, Zobek :D
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Post by: flyingchai on January 23, 2014, 06:56:45 AM
Leviathan tentacle at 1:54. Standing by my theory that Leviathan is the last battle.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 23, 2014, 06:59:03 AM
I didn't read anything here yet. I want to watch the trailer. But I hope they do not spoil Zobek's true form.  Though I am still hoping that he will resemble Death.

Do we hear the Toy Maker speak?
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Post by: flyingchai on January 23, 2014, 07:03:18 AM
Yes we hear The Toymaker. He sounds perfectly consistent with his appearance.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 23, 2014, 07:07:42 AM
Yes we hear The Toymaker. He sounds perfectly consistent with his appearance.

I guess a high pitched voice? Like a Clown?
Again I won't watch it till I know if we see Zobek's true form. :P Also does the Trailer make apparent that we will fight Zobek?
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 07:11:13 AM
I didn't read anything here yet. I want to watch the trailer. But I hope they do not spoil Zobek's true form.  Though I am still hoping that he will resemble death.
They do spoil it, and y es he resembls death.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 23, 2014, 07:16:42 AM
I guess a high pitched voice? Like a Clown?
Again I won't watch it till I know if we see Zobek's true form. :P Also does the Trailer make apparent that we will fight Zobek?

Yes they spoil it and yes he looks like Death.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on January 23, 2014, 07:17:46 AM
FUCK YES

I-is that... Death..?

Also calling it now- final battle will be Gabriel Belmont vs Dracul

Through whatever contrivance, Gabriel Belmont, will fight himself as Dracul, and YOU will control Gabriel.
Well, as Alucard said in this new trailer:¨Only my father, Gabriel Belmont can destroy Dracula¨.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 07:20:30 AM
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Post by: Flame on January 23, 2014, 07:20:38 AM
Well, as Alucard said in this new trailer:¨Only my father, Gabriel Belmont can defeat dracula¨.
Not just that, but Dracul going all "I am your destiny" and shit. Though that could be to Alucard.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 07:30:22 AM
"You're a traitor" was said by Dracula or Zobek?
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Post by: Flame on January 23, 2014, 07:46:40 AM
"You're a traitor" was said by Dracula or Zobek?
"BETRAYER!" was by Zobek, although it is LIKELY to Dracula, probably a prelude to the fight with him- it might just be a ruse and it's to someone else or something else that sounds different out of context
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Post by: cerebralbore on January 23, 2014, 07:50:01 AM
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"You're a traitor" was said by Dracula or Zobek?

 Its Zobek who said it. I suppose that Dracula will break the pact that they do (in the end of the LoS 1).

 The trailer have spoilers... shit. I don't like when they show bosses or even the Dragon's transformation.
 I must said that really love the "old Dracula" appearance: he looks even more evil whit those orange/ambar eyes. I wait that at the end of the game they let us play with that skin all the game  :P
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 07:51:10 AM
So this is the second to last trailer right?
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Post by: Little Dracula on January 23, 2014, 07:57:49 AM
Epic trailer!, only one month to go.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 23, 2014, 07:58:02 AM
So this is the second to last trailer right?

Probably gonna be the launch trailer a week before the game comes out or something. Whatever it is, they should at least add some gameplay in it.
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Post by: theplottwist on January 23, 2014, 08:01:29 AM
Oh my god there will be time travel... Every bit of info I see of this game reassures me more of it, somehow...
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 08:29:49 AM
I believe that the ''Gabriel is the only who can destroy Dracula'' has to do when Satan's defeat in LOS. Seemed like the ritual of the founders so there would be ''two Gabriels''. I don't know lol this story is great.
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Post by: crisis on January 23, 2014, 09:11:58 AM
kinda like when Piccolo split with Kami in Dargon Ball Z

ive seen this all coming a mile away man. since like before MoF was released for 3DS
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Post by: e105beta on January 23, 2014, 09:12:49 AM
Oh my god there will be time travel... Every bit of info I see of this game reassures me more of it, somehow...

How are you getting that? It sounds to be like Gabriel will just have to defeat his darkside. Maybe a boss battle with the dragon?

Also, I'm starting to think that boy Trevor is not an illusion, like he's a fragment of Trevor's soul or something like that. Just the way Marie talks about Dracula coming home to his family.
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Post by: Dremn on January 23, 2014, 09:21:23 AM
Awesome trailer, and damn they actually showed Zobek's true Death form. He looks nuts.

I can see the Gabriel vs himself thing playing out for sure, sounds like something Mercury Steam would do. I would be up for it, I've really grown to like Gabriel as a character. Seeing him kick his darkside out of himself so he can ascend to heaven would be a fitting finale.

The Toy Maker is one of the most interesting looking characters in the LoS verse to me right now, I was intrigued by his appearance in MoF but was disappointed I didn't get to know that much about him. Looking forward to whatever crazy stuff he brings to the table in this game.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
I believe that Marie and Trevor are deceiving images in some parts and in other the real spirits. Or at least the images of Marie could be a trap for Dracul because she appears in the same place as Carmilla if you look closely. Also I read somewhere that Trevor represents Gabriel's redemption and the castle doesn't want that.
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Post by: flyingchai on January 23, 2014, 09:23:25 AM
If Gabriel's light side ascended into Heaven, then there would be no need for Marie to tell Dracula it's time for him to return to her and his family. His soul would already be in Heaven.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 09:24:10 AM
aaaand it would be the rightful Castlevania final fight, a Belmont vs Dracula
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Post by: Dremn on January 23, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
aaaand it would be the rightful Castlevania final fight, a Belmont vs Dracula
Shit, now I really want it to play out like that.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
As you may know, I'm a man of theories, especulation and conjectures, but I still don't have idea of how to explain human Carmilla, Trevor and Marie besides "illusions" but s far thadoesn't make sense, as hallucinations can't hurt you. Even more so Human Carmilla.. why her? gabriel didn't know her, and she didn't seem to have a important role, why not human Cornell or human Zobek?.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 09:38:07 AM
Maybe Carmilla lives on in Gabriel's blood because he drank Laura's blood and she had Carmilla's. Twisty twisty
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Post by: e105beta on January 23, 2014, 09:40:11 AM
As you may know, I'm a man of theories, especulation and conjectures, but I still don't have idea of how to explain human Carmilla, Trevor and Marie besides "illusions" but s far thadoesn't make sense, as hallucinations can't hurt you. Even more so Human Carmilla.. why her? gabriel didn't know her, and she didn't seem to have a important role, why not human Cornell or human Zobek?.

Because she's the first vampire, and Gabriel drank the blood of one of her direct children to become one. You could say she's living on inside Dracula through her blood which would have been in Laura
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 09:45:38 AM
But this is not Vampire Queen Carmilla but Human Carmilla, who should be dead.
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Post by: Dremn on January 23, 2014, 09:50:54 AM
As you may know, I'm a man of theories, especulation and conjectures, but I still don't have idea of how to explain human Carmilla, Trevor and Marie besides "illusions" but s far thadoesn't make sense, as hallucinations can't hurt you. Even more so Human Carmilla.. why her? gabriel didn't know her, and she didn't seem to have a important role, why not human Cornell or human Zobek?.
Perhaps Carmilla and Gabriel were blood related?

Seems like a twist they would put in, I mean no one could ever guess Marie being pregnant with Trevor before LoS1.

Another thing I noticed in the trailer was that priest calling to Satan, was that a Brotherhood member?
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 09:52:57 AM
Perhaps Carmilla and Gabriel were blood related?

Seems like a twist they would put in, I mean no one could ever guess Marie being pregnant with Trevor before LoS1.
Carmilla died a virgin. Well, ascended a virgin.
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Post by: cerebralbore on January 23, 2014, 10:02:28 AM
 The fact is that "human Carmilla" represent the bright side of her: one of the founders of light brotherhood. Maybe, this can explain why she said: "and your weakness will be my strenght". She is the good side of someone while Dracula is the dark side of Gabriel.

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I believe that the ''Gabriel is the only who can destroy Dracula'' has to do when Satan's defeat in LOS. Seemed like the ritual of the founders so there would be ''two Gabriels''. I don't know lol this story is great.

 Interesting theory: its possible that, for the last battle, someone can "invoke" the good soul of Gabriel (that live in the heaven) to fight against his bad side (dracula in his dragon form). Nice !
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Post by: crisis on January 23, 2014, 10:04:49 AM
i could be wrong but i think it was mentioned here that the Japanese LoS1 website listed Carmilla's last name being "Cronqvist"
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Post by: theplottwist on January 23, 2014, 10:14:56 AM
How are you getting that? It sounds to be like Gabriel will just have to defeat his darkside. Maybe a boss battle with the dragon?

Also, I'm starting to think that boy Trevor is not an illusion, like he's a fragment of Trevor's soul or something like that. Just the way Marie talks about Dracula coming home to his family.
Nowhere dude, I'm just conjecturing, as everybody. But I give it that it sounds much more like Gabriel fighting his darkside. I just hope that it is a very real, very physical Gabriel fighting a very real and very physical Dracula, or the battle comes in the form of another symbolic way, or we'll have one more God of War comparison to make...

The one saying that only Gabriel can defeat Dracula is Alucard, and he's the one who posseses the combat-cross stake, which belonged to Gabriel before his transformation. This could be what he means. The stake represents Gabriel when he was human.

i could be wrong but i think it was mentioned here that the Japanese LoS1 website listed Carmilla's last name being "Cronqvist"
Yeah well, it's pretty much dubious-to-incorrect information. Take a gander here (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Castlevania:_Lords_of_Shadow). Nagumo said he'd ask Cox, but no answer.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 10:28:35 AM
The fact is that "human Carmilla" represent the bright side of her: one of the founders of light brotherhood. Maybe, this can explain why she said: "and your weakness will be my strenght". She is the good side of someone while Dracula is the dark side of Gabriel.
Actually if you harm the dark side you harm the good side too. That's why Human Carmilla should be DEADER. if the vampire Carmilla is killed, the good Carmilla is killed too.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 10:42:34 AM
Maybe somehow the original combat cross will be reformed and it is the weapon that normal Gabriel will use against Dracula
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 23, 2014, 10:45:24 AM
Well, as far as the Gabriel vs. Dracula battle goes, Dracula might time travel to just after his first victory over Satan in the necromancer's abyss (while he was still human) and the two fight to the death with us controlling Dracula.
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Post by: Intersection on January 23, 2014, 10:47:28 AM
My thoughts on the trailer itself.

Gabriel and Zobek again deliver the cast's strongest character performances, but that's to be expected. They are, after all, LoS2's main anchors.
Carlyle doesn't fully convey the poise and cynicism of the Dracula we've grown used to, but he doesn't really need to -- his newly bitter and vengeful portrayal of Gabriel manages to sound even better than his original LoS performance, something I hadn't thought possible until now.
Patrick Stewart's portrayal of Zobek is unsurprisingly excellent, but I don't think anyone here has doubts on the general quality of his voice acting. Zobek's artistic design is likewise excellent -- the modern elegance of his costume is a great fit to the character's personality.

Alucard's portrayal remains mediocre. And that isn't just because I can't get used to his new accent; MoF's Alucard was a downright disappointment (then again, the whole game was), and I can't say Madden sounds that much better in LoS2 -- his one most important line in the trailer quickly falls flat, for lack of any convincing delivery (and any music to accompany it).
And it doesn't help that MS's Alucard design borders on the downright ugly.

The Toy Maker sounds just as deliciously mischievous as I'd imagined. With impeccable design and the promise for some new, twisted fun, this is easily one of LoS2's most anticipated characters. Isaacs is ever so slightly disappointing as Satan this time around -- his delivery seemed a bit wobbly. The design choices are pretty sound, though.


The "Blood is Family, Blood is Power, Blood is Everything" catchphrase is back, and while it's just as underwhelming as it was in the last trailer, at least it's not completely out of context this time around...
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 10:52:32 AM
I thought Isaac's Satan worked better when calm and decieving. And I agree with Alucard, while I like his design, his actor sounds.. off so far. His Trevor portrayal was better IMO.
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Post by: Gamermeister on January 23, 2014, 10:54:44 AM
Two things:

1. Could that be SHAFT who's summoning Satan???

2. Satan looks like he's been locked in a penitentiary doing nothing but pumping iron and being pissed for 1000 years.
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Post by: e105beta on January 23, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
But this is not Vampire Queen Carmilla but Human Carmilla, who should be dead.

I think when you're pulling the whole "I live in your head" trope, you can look however you want.
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Post by: theplottwist on January 23, 2014, 11:40:33 AM
Satan or Man Harpy?

Also, I'm curious about you guys. When you saw Satan for the very first time on LoS, in game, what did you think?

I didn't have any spoiler or anything. No pictures, no nothing. When Satan appeared on the screen, I swear to God that I though it was Mathias Cronqvist, now "Draculized". I mean, his face does look different to that of Mathias original design, but I really though that it was more like an upgrade to the high-polygon-count era and western traces.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 11:43:01 AM
I thought it was Alucard O.o ..  the whole father thing.
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Post by: Flame on January 23, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
So... when do PC pre-orders open..?
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 12:32:49 PM
Supposedly tomorrow or friday
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 23, 2014, 12:38:30 PM
[New Official] Dracula's Destiny Trailer HD [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBiyEWc3GA#ws)

Most awesome late birthday present  ;D
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Post by: crisis on January 23, 2014, 01:32:54 PM
Just a reminder to everyone: Jason Isaacs, etc. sounded different delivering their lines in the final LoS1 trailer than they did in the actual game (such as, the "you monkeys dont deserve redemption" speech). It's obvious they use different takes. So it'll most likely be the same with LoS2. Even in the very first LoS2 trailer Dracula saying "I AM DRACOOL" sounds different than he did in more recent trailers. Compare it for yourself.
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Post by: e105beta on January 23, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Just a reminder to everyone: Jason Isaacs, etc. sounded different delivering their lines in the final LoS1 trailer than they did in the actual game (such as, the "you monkeys dont deserve redemption" speech). It's obvious they use different takes. So it'll most likely be the same with LoS2. Even in the very first LoS2 trailer Dracula saying "I AM DRACOOL" sounds different than he did in more recent trailers. Compare it for yourself.

That take was awful. The take in the Vengeance trailer was superior by far.

I actually don't think Satan sounded all that bad, just that Dracula and Zobek blew it out of the park (and Carmilla too, surprisingly. Her delivery is really good)
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on January 23, 2014, 01:59:16 PM
Agreed, Crisis.  I spotted this ages ago, when I first heard the difference in delivery for 'I am the Dragon, Dracul!  I am the Prince of Darkness!  That is my vengeance!'  It'll be interesting to see how it works out in the actual game itself.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 23, 2014, 02:06:35 PM
Man that Death looked awesome, well if it IS Zobek, who knows? Then again he has green light near his head and we know that the necromancers use green magic. Hmm, the question remains, which form will we fight him despite his awesome Death form? As a human, as the Necromancer that we saw in LoS 1 or even as something really big that he transforms into after his Death form? I still think that it might be possible that he changes into that huge ugly skull faced Monster after the Death form. I assume he is going to have 3 forms.

The Toy Maker sounded pretty awesome. Also in one scene he was shown with normal human skin, but when he was Controlling his puppet he had the blue skin that we know from MoF. I guess the blood makes him bad again but once we fought him he will be human again.

Camilla will be a Boss. And also I recognized the area where she attacked Gabriel being the Mirror area that was shown in one of the older artworks. 
My theory is that the founders didn't die when Gabriel destroyed their evil halfs. After all the Lords of Shadow claimed that their good sides would be dead as well. Who tells that they weren't lying? After all they are evil.
This would also make the series remain open ended concerning possible Sequels which might happen as we have heard before. Gabriel kills his evil side (I guess Dracula will have both a human and a Dragon form) but who says Dracula will Keep being dead. Dracula always managed to come back in some way or another in the old series as well. :P
Plus fighting Dracula as the final Boss would make sense. A Belmont fighting Dracula, and the final Boss being a Lord of Shadow, appropriately for the game's name.
Also that tentacle in the Trailer wasn't a tentacle of the Leviathan, it was a tentacle of the Gorgon as I recognize this room having lots of Stone statues of Brotherhood members (also seen on a screenshot before).

Satan looks awesome.
Anyone else thinks that the accolyte summoning Satan looks awesome?
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Post by: Inccubus on January 23, 2014, 02:13:12 PM
[New Official] Dracula's Destiny Trailer HD [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBiyEWc3GA#ws)

I AM THE WING THAT FLAPS IN THE NIGHT!!
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Post by: Bergaron on January 23, 2014, 02:26:39 PM
See Enric?. There isn´t an infiltrator, I missed the date of the trailer for 4 hours. Peace ..., (only have luck with my guess)
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 23, 2014, 02:30:50 PM
See Enric?. There isn´t an infiltrator, I missed the date of the trailer for 4 hours. Peace ..., (only have luck with my guess)

Bergaron could you ask Enric or Cox the possibility of having commercials for this game please. It seems that you speak to MS frequently on somethings. Or maybe I'm crazy.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 23, 2014, 02:35:28 PM
I like how the Toymaker sounds exactly how I thought he would.
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 23, 2014, 02:37:33 PM
Carmilla died a virgin. Well, ascended a virgin.

Now, THAT'S a sin  :P


aaaand it would be the rightful Castlevania final fight, a Belmont vs Dracula

Wait a proper castlevania finale. My body ohh.....
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Post by: cerebralbore on January 23, 2014, 02:37:58 PM
 Guys, one supposition: could be that Gabriel (like the good side of Dracula) be prisioner in the Forgotten One's dimesion, waiting for someone require her help and free him? (maybe too crazy supposition).

 PD: for me, all the voices sounds nice in this trailer.
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Post by: Inccubus on January 23, 2014, 02:41:23 PM
Wasn't the good Gabriel supposed to have ascended after the defeat of Lucifer, thus before he even became a vampire?
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 23, 2014, 02:45:29 PM
Guys, one supposition: could be that Gabriel (like the good side of Dracula) be prisioner in the Forgotten One's dimesion, waiting for someone require her help and free him? (maybe too crazy supposition).

 PD: for me, all the voices sounds nice in this trailer.

likewise the voices rock as for Alucard Madden rocks so I do not see it or maybe because I like this version of Alucard which still sounds funny to me.

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Post by: Bergaron on January 23, 2014, 02:47:49 PM
And.. one more trialer un two weeks (the last.)

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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
And.. one more trialer un two weeks (the last.)

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What??

Ponlo en español, yo si te entiendo
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Post by: Kingshango on January 23, 2014, 03:00:01 PM
And.. one more trialer un two weeks (the last.)

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So February 6 then?

So using the process of elimination, that leaves the date for the public demo on either the 11th or the 12th.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 23, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Queda un trailer, normalito, sin mucha novedad, en dos semanas.
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P.D: Ojo esto son adivinanzas, no hay ni topo ni nada por el estilo, son deducciones mias..que cada uno saque sus conclusiones
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 23, 2014, 03:01:00 PM
And.. one more trialer un two weeks (the last.)

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But we won't fight Satan and Dracula at the same time I hope but one after another. :P Like you know, two boss battles.

Ehh Belmont plus err Alucard versus Dracula?
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Post by: Dremn on January 23, 2014, 03:11:39 PM
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Shiiiiit I'm getting hyped.
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Post by: shelverton. on January 23, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Victor's face looks...weird.

I still haven't seen a lot of gameplay, which is fine I guess... I just want to see a bit of the exploration they're talking about. Branching paths... Open environments.. Anything! Depending on how it's done, it could be a dealbreaker for me. I am not gonna play this for the combat alone.
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Post by: Maedhros on January 23, 2014, 03:43:35 PM
Cheesy as fuck.

Carlyle sounds... off on this trailer. I liked the other one much more than this one, dunno why.

Ehh, if the ending is really Gabriel and Someone vs Dracula and Satan...  :-X

Well, I'll wait for the game first, it's not so far anyway...
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Post by: Dremn on January 23, 2014, 03:45:28 PM
Cheesy as fuck.
Would you have it any other way for Castlevania though?
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Post by: cerebralbore on January 23, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
But we won't fight Satan and Dracula at the same time I hope but one after another. :P Like you know, two boss battles.

Ehh Belmont plus err Alucard versus Dracula?

 Bergaron, se que es parte de la magia ¿pero exactamente que tipo de relación tienes con Mercury Steam? Estoy intrigado.
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on January 23, 2014, 04:01:31 PM
[New Official] Dracula's Destiny Trailer HD [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBiyEWc3GA#ws)

I'm game.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 23, 2014, 04:02:46 PM
Bergaron, se que es parte de la magia ¿pero exactamente que tipo de relación tienes con Mercury Steam? Estoy intrigado.

Absolutamente ninguna, me dedico a deducir simplemente.
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Post by: Maedhros on January 23, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
Would you have it any other way for Castlevania though?
Dunno, I never liked Castlevania for it's story or cheesyness/campyness. It's almost purely gameplay and music for me.
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Post by: crisis on January 23, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
there's 2 types of cheez; "tongue-in-cheek" cheez and "we take this seriously and you should too" cheez


so now we have the EPIC CONCLUSION TO THE LORDS OF SHADOW SAGA with THE EPIC CONCLUSION TO THE DARK KNIGHT LEGEND

The Dark Knight Rises - Official Trailer #3 [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8evyE9TuYk#ws)


EPIC
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Post by: flyingchai on January 23, 2014, 04:10:13 PM
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the final battle being against Dracula himself.
You'd have to destroy the very character that you spent the entire game developing. That would be really tragic indeed!
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Post by: Maedhros on January 23, 2014, 04:15:39 PM
I hated the last movie. Compared to the second... it was a huge dissapointment... =(
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Post by: thernz on January 23, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
dang, satan's been working out.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 23, 2014, 04:43:45 PM
aaaand when Gabriel defeats Dracula, he dies too. There's the tragedy.
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Post by: The Puritan on January 23, 2014, 04:48:03 PM
I am the dark terror that chills the hearts of men.

Yeah, but do you flap in the night?
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Post by: EstebanT on January 23, 2014, 04:54:34 PM
What if Bergaron is actually Eric Alvarez.
What if alucard gets turned part demon, "The Luitenant", and dracula is forced to kill him.
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Post by: crisis on January 23, 2014, 04:56:17 PM
Quote
Yeah, but do you flap in the night?

No, but he faps during the night.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 23, 2014, 05:09:22 PM
What if Bergaron is actually Eric Alvarez.

He has his own account.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 23, 2014, 05:14:12 PM
Why is everyone assuming that if the final battle is Gabriel vs. Dracula, we control Gabriel? Considering that since we are playing through the game as Dracula, it's more likely that we be controlling Dracula and fighting Gabriel. If that is the case, how do they separate? Many of you think that after the battle with Satan at the end of LoS1, Gabriel's good half went to heaven and his dark half remained behind and that is what became a vampire and killed the forgotten one. I'm not sure that's the case. From what I remember, after that battle with Satan, Gabriel was back to his normal self. Alive. The light that left him was the power the spirits gave him to come back to life and fight Satan.

In other words, I don't think that he never split into light and dark like the founders did. He just became a vampire so that he could survive the dimensional prison where the forgotten one was.
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Post by: crisis on January 23, 2014, 05:18:57 PM
I'm sensing a God of War scenario, where Kratos had to literally fight multiple copies of himself off to protect his family.

God of War 1 - Final Battle, Part.2of3 - Kratos vs Clones - God Mode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ji08mlMyhA#)


Picture this, but LoS-ized
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
Bergaron is a mole AND I LOVE HIM
In other words, I don't think that he never split into light and dark like the founders did. He just became a vampire so that he could survive the dimensional prison where the forgotten one was.
But he might do the ritual and split himself willingly to destroy "The Dragon", assuming Gabriel was "pure hearted" as Marie said, the one left behind would be normal gabriel belmont.
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Post by: Maedhros on January 23, 2014, 05:43:42 PM
BTW, the trailer confirmed again that the Dragon transformation is just a glorified item crash. It looks exactly the same as the dark crystal animation.

This game is releasing Feb 1, right?
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
BTW, the trailer confirmed again that the Dragon transformation is just a glorified item crash. It looks exactly the same as the dark crystal animation.

This game is releasing Feb 1, right?
We knew that. And no, feb 25.
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 23, 2014, 06:41:09 PM
So.... Gabriel Belmont for persona 5 anyone? Anyone ...... >_>
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Post by: GuyStarwind on January 23, 2014, 06:41:28 PM
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 23, 2014, 07:57:53 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7409%2F12112336464_7e73903ec9_o.jpg&hash=4eefc7a101e5b361f6e6f1e19ee237f8)
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Post by: Inccubus on January 24, 2014, 12:04:38 AM
Why is everyone assuming that if the final battle is Gabriel vs. Dracula, we control Gabriel? Considering that since we are playing through the game as Dracula, it's more likely that we be controlling Dracula and fighting Gabriel. If that is the case, how do they separate? Many of you think that after the battle with Satan at the end of LoS1, Gabriel's good half went to heaven and his dark half remained behind and that is what became a vampire and killed the forgotten one. I'm not sure that's the case. From what I remember, after that battle with Satan, Gabriel was back to his normal self. Alive. The light that left him was the power the spirits gave him to come back to life and fight Satan.

In other words, I don't think that he never split into light and dark like the founders did. He just became a vampire so that he could survive the dimensional prison where the forgotten one was.

If that's true then when it was said that he would end up just like the Lords of Shadow it was just a red herring?
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 24, 2014, 12:13:17 AM
I just noticed in the trailer, did Victor perform a Grand Cross?

My speculation.

Since the trailer mentioned that it is only Gabe who can defeat the Dragon, plus given the possibility of a split between good Gabe and bad Gabe, what if Victor is really good Gabe?
Good Gabe (Victor) teams up with bad Gabe for the final showdown, then they all die. the end.
Then normal Gabe would wake up and say wtf I've been smoking?
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Post by: TheFly22284 on January 24, 2014, 02:09:16 AM


Since the trailer mentioned that it is only Gabe who can defeat the Dragon, plus given the possibility of a split between good Gabe and bad Gabe, what if Victor is really good Gabe?
Good Gabe (Victor) teams up with bad Gabe for the final showdown, then they all die. the end.

I've been wondering this myself. The name would be a perfectly symbolic, if on-the-nose, choice. My only problem with it is that Dracula repeatedly seems fraught and shows some remorse. If there is a split, it may happen during the course of this game. I'm not really convinced, but it's plausible.
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on January 24, 2014, 02:55:57 AM
I'm wondering whether the mirror of fate has anything to do with it.  After all, back in LoS1, there was a hint in Gabe's reflection just as he walked through it of his self as Dracul.  What if the mirror then shows his reflection as Gabriel, who is able to then be drawn out of Dracul?
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Post by: Nagumo on January 24, 2014, 04:44:06 AM
This game needs a Satan working out montage.
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Post by: uzo on January 24, 2014, 08:56:54 AM
Pat Stew was just hired to read lines from the script. i doubt he knows anything about castlevania. y'know just like how Hugo Weaving said despite signing a contract to voice Megatron he knows nothing about the Transformers series

If what Cox said is true (I know, it's a stretch already), then the cast of voices are actually told the entire story and asked if they want to be involved in it. They're doing the work that they 'believe in'. Was in some pre-release interview for the first LoS.

Again, from Cox, so take it with a nugget of salt.
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Post by: EstebanT on January 24, 2014, 09:09:19 AM
I just noticed in the trailer, did Victor perform a Grand Cross?[/s]

I'm pretty sure he had a dark crystal in his hand. It would be cool, but I'm sure it's just a boob demon.
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Post by: e105beta on January 24, 2014, 09:18:40 AM
If what Cox said is true (I know, it's a stretch already), then the cast of voices are actually told the entire story and asked if they want to be involved in it. They're doing the work that they 'believe in'. Was in some pre-release interview for the first LoS.

Again, from Cox, so take it with a nugget of salt.

Robert Carlyle did an interview with where he sounded knowledgeable enough about his role as Dracula, so while the voice actors may not be Castlevania experts, they at least know the entirety of the LoS story.

I mean, you have to have full knowledge of the character you're playing to get really good acting, regardless of whether its just voice. I'm sure everyone in the cast has seen the entire script.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 24, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
If what Cox said is true (I know, it's a stretch already), then the cast of voices are actually told the entire story and asked if they want to be involved in it. They're doing the work that they 'believe in'. Was in some pre-release interview for the first LoS.

Again, from Cox, so take it with a nugget of salt.
Though, what they "believe in" could have a wider range of what some might think they believe in. No doubt Mr. Stewart is a great actor, but it's not like every role he chooses is based on Shakespearean drama and seriousness. He IS in American Dad, and starred in Tobe Hooper's campy space vampire horror flick, Lifeforce, back in the 80s. If he BELIEVES in those projects, that's fine, but that also means Mr. Stewart has a quirky side to himself(Robin Hood: Men in Tights is proof of that) and isn't all "Mr. Drama".
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 24, 2014, 09:52:40 AM
I remember Patrick Stewart saying that his wife lovd the story of LoS1, or was it Robert?
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 24, 2014, 03:05:39 PM
Castlevania On NES Influenced Lords Of Shadow 2 In Many Ways Says Dave Cox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn49LNBFfAQ#ws)


Street Fighter Featuring Gabriel From Castlevania Says Dave Cox | Will It Happen Capcom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zLha8aazac#ws)

I found this to be fun so.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 24, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
I remember Patrick Stewart saying that his wife lovd the story of LoS1, or was it Robert?
Well I never heard Patrick Stewart saying anything about LoS whatsoever. :P That's why I asked if there is any source of him writing or saying anything about LoS.

What do you think of Agreus btw? Do you think he will be a Boss? I could imagine him being a Titan battle, not in his normal form but since he is made of Wood and seems to like nature maybe he'll merge with a plant or something, especially considering there's a Castle Area called Underground Garden.
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Post by: Inccubus on January 24, 2014, 07:09:25 PM
I just noticed in the trailer, did Victor perform a Grand Cross?

My speculation.

Since the trailer mentioned that it is only Gabe who can defeat the Dragon, plus given the possibility of a split between good Gabe and bad Gabe, what if Victor is really good Gabe?
Good Gabe (Victor) teams up with bad Gabe for the final showdown, then they all die. the end.
Then normal Gabe would wake up and say wtf I've been smoking?

You know what I noticed? Young Trevor and Victor seem to go to the same tailor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on January 24, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
I've been wondering this myself. The name would be a perfectly symbolic, if on-the-nose, choice. My only problem with it is that Dracula repeatedly seems fraught and shows some remorse. If there is a split, it may happen during the course of this game. I'm not really convinced, but it's plausible.

This is because even though the split happened to Gabriel, he was so pure hearted that even his evil side has some good in him.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 25, 2014, 04:44:07 AM
This Video is a bit older and I don't know if it was discussed back then on this Forum but I'll post it anyways for General enjoyment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ9QMRnkPKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ9QMRnkPKk)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SirChupacabras on January 25, 2014, 05:49:44 AM
I like the idea that Victor is cryptically the good side of another character, maybe Gabriel or someone else.  He's even wearing a gauntlet.

Also, is there any indication that Cornell is returning in any form?  There may be a few mild similarities between an unshaven human Cornell and Victor.  It's hard to say.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 25, 2014, 06:43:26 AM
There was NO split, but no one says there won't be a split at the end that triggers the Gabriel vs The Dragon battle. That's pretty effective as they would both die and it would be a kinda redemption for Gabriel without being an astounding triumph.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 25, 2014, 08:14:27 AM
Maybe in the split, the Dragon Form will posses the Leviathan monster that could be dormant beneath the Castle remains and that is Gabriel's Final Battle
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 25, 2014, 08:44:09 AM
... especially considering there's a Castle Area called Underground Garden.
Wow, really? Wonder if they were inspired by the Saturn Nocturne in the Moonlight?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on January 25, 2014, 02:35:15 PM
>Still no PC preorder

Seriously, why. "preorders now open!" and they even show 360/PS3 AND PC.

On that matter, I wonder if they will do steam exclusive or actually have a physical PC release. I'd really like a physical release...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 25, 2014, 07:54:30 PM
So my impressions of the trailer is it's good but is not that best put together trailer like the last two. Although awesome Carmila and motherfucking death puts in the good category. You know for as much as people shit on mod I think the game had more memorable boss battles than Lords of Shadows 1 and even more challenging. I am hoping the boss battles are plentiful in LOS2 and hope they are good as Cornell boss battle which was amazing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 25, 2014, 08:45:22 PM
the trailer lacked 1 thing; gameplay. it feels like it wants to cater to Hollywood movie audiences moreso than us [see: Dark Knight Rises trailer i posted]. it's still a good i mean "EPIC" trailer, but it wouldn't have hurt to throw in some actual gameplay footage, sheesh (and by that i mean showing off platforming segments, delivering some combos to a group of enemies, etc)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on January 25, 2014, 08:52:57 PM
Probably the last trailer they will show it. Although we did have the tutorial trailer a few months back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 25, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
They are afraid that if they threw in gameplay, fans might notice stuff that they don't want to show yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 25, 2014, 10:36:01 PM
>Still no PC preorder

Seriously, why. "preorders now open!" and they even show 360/PS3 AND PC.

On that matter, I wonder if they will do steam exclusive or actually have a physical PC release. I'd really like a physical release...
THIS.

In the latest trailer, they showed a physical PC box, so let's hope there'll be one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on January 25, 2014, 10:54:19 PM
From what I hear, Europe, (or parts of) are getting a physical release. it still gets registered to steam, but it's physical.

the trailer lacked 1 thing; gameplay. it feels like it wants to cater to Hollywood movie audiences moreso than us [see: Dark Knight Rises trailer i posted]. it's still a good i mean "EPIC" trailer, but it wouldn't have hurt to throw in some actual gameplay footage, sheesh (and by that i mean showing off platforming segments, delivering some combos to a group of enemies, etc)

We've seen gameplay though. We had that whole Xbox video showing off some of Gabe's moves and shit.

This is just a hype/VA trailer to sell the VA's and characters.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 26, 2014, 12:07:50 AM
weve seen some gameplay but I wanted THIS trailer to show more gameplay. why cant they mix hype VA's & characters with gameplay segments?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on January 26, 2014, 06:52:07 AM
why cant they mix hype VA's & characters with gameplay segments?

Because AAA game development.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: mzubailah on January 27, 2014, 08:38:28 AM
It seems that "Samuel Hubner Casado" On twitter already has the game
and he's already 50% in the game

EDIT :
And he's answering questions
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 27, 2014, 09:08:37 AM
So the game has been already been shipped. Spoilers are imminent
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on January 27, 2014, 09:43:43 AM
WHEN THE fuck DOES THAT DEMO LANDS ON STEAM???  >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 27, 2014, 09:56:32 AM
So the game has been already been shipped. Spoilers are imminent


Most likely review codes but im gonna be careful if I come across something that comes off as a major spoiler.
WHEN THE fuck DOES THAT DEMO LANDS ON STEAM???  >:(

Well if what Bergaron and leak dude says is correct and we do get one last trailer next week, then it's a safe bet that the demo will land on the 11th of February.  Dunno if the Steam demo will hit the same day though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 10:26:35 AM
So the game has been already been shipped. Spoilers are imminent
Nooo fucking way.. source?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 27, 2014, 10:29:53 AM
https://twitter.com/Spainkiller

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 27, 2014, 10:42:15 AM
Nooo fucking way.. source?

The game went gold not too long ago and review codes were probably sent out too. Not surprised someone got a hold of a copy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 27, 2014, 10:45:49 AM
Woooooo spoilers time, these next couple of weeks will be very interesting. :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 10:52:39 AM
https://twitter.com/Spainkiller

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Hopefully he's a reviewer, because if not, the game iso will be leaked like tomorrow.

Edit: he's a reviewer. That's relieving. he seems like liking it :)

Shipping means sending the game to stores.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 27, 2014, 10:57:55 AM
The game will be unveiled, it is leaked, but pre-order this steam is delaying, I bet it's because of problems with the demo.

I hope they get it right because it can cost them dearly, the hype is over, and games like Shadow of Mordor or the next titles and steal all the attention in the media. No mention what to see games that are closer and is more palatable one PS4, Xbone ... if not take the pre-sale this week PC will hit hard ..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on January 27, 2014, 11:02:54 AM
https://vine.co/v/MuzPmzDXlxP
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 11:05:10 AM
The game will be unveiled, it is leaked, but pre-order this steam is delaying, I bet it's because of problems with the demo.

I hope they get it right because it can cost them dearly, the hype is over, and games like Shadow of Mordor or the next titles and steal all the attention in the media. No mention what to see games that are closer and is more palatable one PS4, Xbone ... if not take the pre-sale this week PC will hit hard ..
The game is not leaked yet (believe me, I have my sources lol) but you are right, they need to ride the hype wave like tomorrow.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 27, 2014, 11:09:56 AM
https://vine.co/v/MuzPmzDXlxP

Such a pretty game.

The PC version will look stunning.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 27, 2014, 11:27:02 AM
https://vine.co/v/MuzPmzDXlxP
Holy shit, the city looks fucking amazing. Their new graphics engine really was worth the hype.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on January 27, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
Lol and i got banned from the LOS2 facebook grup coz post the same link...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 11:40:18 AM
Holy shit, the city looks fucking amazing. Their new graphics engine really was worth the hype.
And taht is a PS3.. incredible.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 27, 2014, 11:53:19 AM
Lol and i got banned from the LOS2 facebook grup coz post the same link...
Konami is already butthurt over the impending leaks, lol

Why are they being so uppity about us seeing any footage? I'd rather see gameplay, all these trailers they're releasing are too cinematic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 27, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
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I am putting these infos in spoiler boxes despite this being a spoiler thread, because I guess some information don't want to be heard by everyone. I hope you appreciate that.
Title: prunyuu~
Post by: crisis on January 27, 2014, 01:28:44 PM
am i in the minority that would rather be playing as decrepit Dracula in modern times instead of young Dracula
Title: Re: prunyuu~
Post by: Kingshango on January 27, 2014, 01:34:15 PM
am i in the minority that would rather be playing as decrepit Dracula in modern times instead of young Dracula

I feel the same way too honestly. I would have prefered that Dracula would gradually start looking younger each time he gains his powers back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cardrac on January 27, 2014, 01:40:35 PM
Achievement list is up! Spoilers guys, be warned:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/68435826 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/68435826)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 27, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
Achievement list is up! Spoilers guys, be warned:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/68435826 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/68435826)

Oh maaaaaaaan.
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Title: Re: prunyuu~
Post by: EstebanT on January 27, 2014, 01:49:53 PM
am i in the minority that would rather be playing as decrepit Dracula in modern times instead of young Dracula

Maybe after the Los series are over.... We get to play a Sotn sequel where you play as master librarian!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cardrac on January 27, 2014, 01:52:12 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 27, 2014, 02:04:17 PM
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I think it's almost time for a seperate spoiler thread. Not now though, maybe after the demo is released, by then we may have already seen the ending with all these leaks coming out so soon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dremn on January 27, 2014, 02:09:32 PM
=snip=
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 27, 2014, 02:20:28 PM
Were those all the bosses? Hopefully not...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 27, 2014, 02:35:08 PM
I hope not either, those are probably just bosses that matter to the story.

Also, hola Enric. ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 27, 2014, 02:35:28 PM
Were those all the bosses? Hopefully not...
I hope not as well, considering most of those were already seen via press release art and trailers. I hope the hint at there being lots of optional stuff means additional hidden bosses.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 02:54:39 PM
Whohoho these achievements sound great, it will pan out the way I wanted, I would not be worried about the bosses, LoS1 had a few bosses without achievement. There is only one absence that makes me sad and that is Legion (He'd drserve an achievement). Bring on february!

am i in the minority that would rather be playing as decrepit Dracula in modern times instead of young Dracula
I'm crossing my fingers for old drac to be an unlockable skin.
Title: LoS 2 SPOILER THREAD - A miserable little pile of spoilers.
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 02:57:09 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftecnoslave.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F11%2Fcastlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-logo.jpg&hash=5d0aff1e48a9bc4323241ade96fa54fd)

This one is to keep the other clean. Yeah we know the ending, but it's not the goal, but the ride what matters.

Also, please use spoilers, always, even here, thank you.

Could a mod please "2" to the title?  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 27, 2014, 03:02:48 PM
I don't want to read the achievement list!!!! aaaaah help!! I DO wanna read it!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 27, 2014, 03:07:00 PM
So what are the other bosses that the achievements don't list then? Is Legion really one of them?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on January 27, 2014, 03:08:59 PM
So what are the other bosses that the achievements don't list then? Is Legion really one of them?

We wont know until the beastiary leaks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 03:15:15 PM
So what are the other bosses that the achievements don't list then? Is Legion really one of them?
I don't think so. Legion would have deserved an achievement. I'm counting him off the game. Sad, but still, I'm sure the game will deliver.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 27, 2014, 03:17:07 PM
So if those are only the bosses important to the story... Where is alucard? I mean.... The first Los2 trailer promised us an alucard battle....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 27, 2014, 03:20:21 PM
I read it, actually nothing is really new to the people loyal to this forum, I think. And I also believe that those are not all the bosses, because I recall Cox tweeting something about a boss that is not on the list. Maybe that list is incomplete
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on January 27, 2014, 03:24:17 PM
Los1 didn't have an achievement for every boss either. Not even defeating The Forgotten One and absorbing his power had an achivement. Now that would have been a deserved achievement..."Dracula Begins" or something. :-D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 27, 2014, 03:32:52 PM
Where is this legion talk coming from? I mean legion would be awesome but.... Where did you guys get that he (they) would be in the game?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 27, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
I guess that Zobek might turn into Legion.
Also I am sure that some bosses were not listed. For example the acolyte that summons Satan, as the first one is the scientist Lady, the other one the bald guy who shoots lightning.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 03:37:15 PM
I guess that Zobek might turn into Legion.
No, we already saw his death form. looks great BTW.
Where is this legion talk coming from? I mean legion would be awesome but.... Where did you guys get that he (they) would be in the game?
It's a fan favorite, and one of the monsters that would benefit the most from HD and production values, very shocking. It was wishful thinking. Well, there's always the Alucard DLC.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 27, 2014, 03:45:33 PM
I guess that Zobek might turn into Legion.
Also I am sure that some bosses were not listed. For example the acolyte that summons Satan, as the first one is the scientist Lady, the other one the bald guy who shoots lightning.

Lightning acolyte is probably acolyte 1. Acolyte two is probably the shaft looking one
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow - SPOILER THREAD - A miserable little pile of spoilers.
Post by: VladCT on January 27, 2014, 03:50:18 PM
I think you can change the thread title by changing the subject of the first post.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow - SPOILER THREAD - A miserable little pile of spoilers.
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 03:54:29 PM
I think you can change the thread title by changing the subject of the first post.
I love you!

So, who wanna be the first to open the black book to the entire internet?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 27, 2014, 04:37:33 PM
Still don't like the generic use of names. I mean...
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 05:02:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of Shadow 2 - SPOILER THREAD - A miserable little pile of spoilers.
Post by: Dremn on January 27, 2014, 05:18:38 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of Shadow 2 - SPOILER THREAD - A miserable little pile of spoilers.
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
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I wonder if
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Title: Re: Lords of Shadow 2 - SPOILER THREAD - A miserable little pile of spoilers.
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 27, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
Howabout getting all the dirty laundry out in the air, as far as spoilers are concerned:

Secret Achievements:

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Title: Re: LoS 2 SPOILER THREAD - A miserable little pile of spoilers.
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 05:40:26 PM
Vampire kiss. Ha.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 27, 2014, 05:42:41 PM
so now we have 2 essentially identical threads that contain LoS2 info/spoilers and both started by Ahasverus
Title: Re: LoS 2 SPOILER THREAD - A miserable little pile of spoilers.
Post by: Zetheraxza on January 27, 2014, 05:45:43 PM


Howabout getting all the dirty laundry out in the air, as far as spoilers are concerned:

Secret Achievements:

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 05:51:04 PM
so now we have 2 essentially identical threads that contain LoS2 info/spoilers and both started by Ahasverus
Haha yep, I wanted this one to be more or less spoiler thread, and more about launch hype but then speculations came and went and we fell for it. The story could be a sensitive case so soon to release so I'd prefer this one to be more general, I'm sure there are people here who don't want to be spoilered by the hard facts we have now.
And some of us can't really wait so go ahed and go wild at the spoiler thread.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 27, 2014, 06:30:18 PM
b-but this thread is clearly labeled HERE BE SPOILER INFO, has been for years in fact. both threads serve the same purpose~
i just think you may be getting a little ahead of yourself lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on January 27, 2014, 06:35:48 PM
Well dragon form looks visually impressive
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 27, 2014, 06:38:03 PM
b-but this thread is clearly labeled HERE BE SPOILER INFO, has been for years in fact. both threads serve the same purpose~
i just think you may be getting a little ahead of yourself lol

Yea gotta agree with Crisis here.

Really no need for a spoiler thread when this thread clearly warns of spoilers and thus permits posting spoilers here.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 06:38:24 PM
b-but this thread is clearly labeled HERE BE SPOILER INFO, has been for years in fact. both threads serve the same purpose~
i just think you may be getting a little ahead of yourself lol
Well then feel free and make a spoiler free thread
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 27, 2014, 06:45:44 PM
Well then feel free and make a spoiler free thread
The point is there is no need for either when you have this thread here.

Spoilers are advertised as being posted so long as the spoiler tags are used.

And the spoiler free discussion is here as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
The point is there is no need for either when you have this thread here.

Spoilers are advertised as being posted so long as the spoiler tags are used.

And the spoiler free discussion is here as well.
It should not be (but that's only my opinion) as people not only from here, but the whole internet are reading this thread for information of the game (we're the best source and compilation after all) and I'm sure many people will be píssed and/or tempted by a wild spoiler, it was different before today because it was all speculation, it's not speculation anymore, we even know the ending.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 27, 2014, 07:07:00 PM
It should not be (but that's only my opinion) as people not only from here, but the whole internet are reading this thread for information of the game (we're the best source and compilation after all) and I'm sure many people will be píssed and/or tempted by a wild spoiler, it was different before today because it was all speculation, it's not speculation anymore, we even know the ending.

whatevs, whats done is done, I just do not see the point in having a separate thread for something that could be posted here with spoiler tags.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on January 27, 2014, 08:22:59 PM
Not to be a downer, but I'm amazed how not excited I am. I'm far more curious to see what comes next.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on January 27, 2014, 08:26:47 PM
Agreed x 3. This is already a SPOILER thread for the LOS saga. Rather than have another thread made for no reason, how about we have an exercise in discipline and... just stay the fuck away from the forums in the first place? The internet is going to be lit with spoilers in the imminent future.  Whether it's in this thread or a click away in a separate thread, splitting it achieves what exactly? O_o

I'm gonna try to hibernate from here until 2/27. By then I'm sure I'll have beaten the game. :-D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on January 27, 2014, 09:05:59 PM
This place should be spoiler free, I want to come to this thread to read general discussion and news without being spoiled.

Interview with Enric, I don't have time to translate right know, maybe other can do it.

http://abload.de/img/hobby_consolas_-_febrn5s0p.jpg (http://abload.de/img/hobby_consolas_-_febrn5s0p.jpg)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 27, 2014, 09:13:13 PM
I never will understand why the fuck a SPOILER THREAD should be spoiler free.

Hell, why don't you guys create an spoiler free thread and let people who want to spoil things here, like always.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 27, 2014, 09:32:55 PM
This place should be spoiler free, I want to come to this thread to read general discussion and news without being spoiled.

Interview with Enric, I don't have time to translate right know, maybe other can do it.

http://abload.de/img/hobby_consolas_-_febrn5s0p.jpg (http://abload.de/img/hobby_consolas_-_febrn5s0p.jpg)
No new info but: There is a very hidden pot roast in the game lololol Game of the Forever confirmed.

Also, he says he wants the next take on Castlevania to be completely different to his.
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 27, 2014, 10:24:36 PM
Can't we chance this thread to a non-spoiler one?? It's stupid to have a "leak/spoiler" one, and this one.

Or else, I'll stop checking the forums for a month.  :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on January 27, 2014, 10:26:55 PM
This place should be spoiler free, I want to come to this thread to read general discussion and news without being spoiled.

Thread title for anyone who missed it:

"The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
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Post by: Kingshango on January 27, 2014, 10:33:32 PM
Can't we chance this thread to a non-spoiler one?? It's stupid to have a "leak/spoiler" one, and this one.

Or else, I'll stop checking the forums for a month.  :(

I'll just say that after the final trailer is released (rumored to be next week), that would be a good time to avoid this and many other forums.  Cause we all know that they'll be inevitable leaks and livestreams from brave fools who will no doubt break street date a few weeks in advance just like LOS1.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 27, 2014, 11:04:18 PM
From Spain Killer:

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 27, 2014, 11:57:12 PM
Can't we chance this thread to a non-spoiler one?? It's stupid to have a "leak/spoiler" one, and this one.

Or else, I'll stop checking the forums for a month.  :(

There's a non spoiler thread dear. Staked on top of the page list.
Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 - The facts(No discussion) (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4993.0.html)

I am so tempted to merge both topics.
My inner mod says to merge.
I might as well merge them.
MERGED!


It is too troublesome to have two similar threads.
Besides, everyone dealing with spoilers should just use the spoiler tag.
That tag is there for a purpose.

Now, those people who do not want to get spoiled.
Don't click the damn tag!

and you might want to stay away from this thread.

I would just like to reiterate this
Thread title for anyone who missed it:
"The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
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Post by: Kingshango on January 28, 2014, 12:50:25 AM
From Spain Killer:

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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 28, 2014, 01:29:39 AM
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 28, 2014, 10:00:15 AM
All these spoiler tags silly -_-

anyways

[New & Official] Developer Diary #2: Exploring the World [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVGMYECZnuA#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 28, 2014, 10:37:57 AM
I really really hope that the Belmont Lineage menu, shows a large family tree with info the Belmont ancestry, with drawing of them. That would be ultra cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 28, 2014, 11:31:37 AM
This game looks so pretty, I need more footage asap.

lol at the chandelier footage popping up from Super Castlevania IV

"Belmont Lineage" caught my eye, I wonder if we'll see a drawing of an LoS styled Sonia and Richter or maybe even new names.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 28, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
The city looks pretty in motion, glad they've retained that gothic look with the mix of modern architecture without going full downtown New York or Chicago. Also, didn't get why they added that SCV4 chandelier thing but it's whatever, gotta pander right?

Oh and going back into spoiler territory

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Post by: flyingchai on January 28, 2014, 12:00:37 PM
Also, didn't get why they added that SCV4 chandelier thing

To show fans another example of how LOS2 drew some inspiration from an old CV title.
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Post by: Nagumo on January 28, 2014, 01:01:32 PM
This game looks so pretty, I need more footage asap.

lol at the chandelier footage popping up from Super Castlevania IV

"Belmont Lineage" caught my eye, I wonder if we'll see a drawing of an LoS styled Sonia and Richter or maybe even new names.

99% certainty we'll see more name drops at this point. I'm already glad if they just acknowledge Sonia, even though I know it's stupid and pointless.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 28, 2014, 01:32:41 PM
That chandelier SCIV scene on the trailer is nothing like the scene happening on LoS 2... one is skill based, the other is almost automatic. See how you just can move the chandelier in four directions... at least, it's a bit better than anything LoS did with "platforming" (except the clocktower section with whip, that was pretty cool).
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Post by: e105beta on January 28, 2014, 02:06:06 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 28, 2014, 02:23:37 PM
so wen Darcula says "i am your hate, your fury, your vengeamce. I AM YOU'RE DESTINYY" my theory is that he is talking to his younger self. either he A) splits himself in half like Zobeck Carmilla y Cornell did and Piccolo y Kami in Dargon Ball Z, or B) he timetravels to the events of LoS1 before he fought the Forgetful One, thus preventing himself from succumbing to the darkside and obliterating the events of this timeline.

also, be prepared for a segment in the game that resembles the "rotating parallax background" level from Super Castlevania IV. Cox confirmed quite a while ago that they have a part like this in LoS2.

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Post by: Flame on January 28, 2014, 02:24:08 PM
That chandelier SCIV scene on the trailer is nothing like the scene happening on LoS 2... one is skill based, the other is almost automatic. See how you just can move the chandelier in four directions...
Now you're just being picky.

It's what it was based on, and that's that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on January 28, 2014, 02:42:36 PM
I just now typed by hand 7 out of the 10 questions from that interview with Enric Alvarez in Google Translate. Since this was done with Google Translate, it will have some weird words and grammar issues. It goes in order from up to down, left to right. (The numbers should help...)

Without further ado, here's the translated interview!

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Once again, I apologize for the poor translation. The last three questions had stuff to do with what Mercurysteam is doing next, why LOS2 isn't coming to Xbox One or Playstation 4, etc.
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Post by: SaibotMK on January 28, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
Coolness ^, I do wonder how many hours id take to master and unlock everything in the entire game though. Wonder if we know that yet?
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Post by: cerebralbore on January 28, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
So, looking now in movement, the three-headed serpent boss, must be the 3 gorgons in only one being. Love the modern-oldschool city.

 PD: we must make a request to David Cox and MS to put the "old Drácula" skin like a unblock extra in the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 28, 2014, 04:33:53 PM
"Euryale, Stheno and Medusa" is on a different section than "Gorgon"

MEDUSA HEADS ARE BACK TO HAUNT US
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: SaibotMK on January 28, 2014, 05:16:33 PM
So, looking now in movement, the three-headed serpent boss, must be the 3 gorgons in only one being. Love the modern-oldschool city.

 PD: we must make a request to David Cox and MS to put the "old Drácula" skin like a unblock extra in the game.

That would be amazing

"Euryale, Stheno and Medusa" is on a different section than "Gorgon"

MEDUSA HEADS ARE BACK TO HAUNT US

LOL
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 28, 2014, 06:03:58 PM
MEDUSA HEADS ARE BACK TO HAUNT US
Leak guy did hint they would be back in the Gorgon battle...
Title: nagumo vs. jorge
Post by: crisis on January 28, 2014, 07:15:01 PM
Quote from: Ahasverus
Also, he says he wants the next take on Castlevania to be completely different to his.

perfect opportunity for the long-awaited Akumajo Dracula "Alucardvania" to come out
Title: Re: nagumo vs. jorge
Post by: Ahasverus on January 28, 2014, 07:34:50 PM
perfect opportunity for the long-awaited Akumajo Dracula "Alucardvania" to come out
If it's not by IGA's terribly incompetent 3D team, go ahead.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 28, 2014, 08:10:12 PM
If you go to the castlevania wiki, you can see like 5 seconds of new gameplay in the ad. You can see like 2 seconds of the Agreus battle and also of that purple wind guy. Its not much at all. But i get excited about the smallest of new stuff.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 28, 2014, 08:58:38 PM
I just saw that ad on the wiki, where did that even come from?

And why is that ad not on Youtube?



Oh right, it's Konami. :rollseyes:
Title: Re: nagumo vs. jorge
Post by: Munchy on January 28, 2014, 09:43:14 PM
If it's not by IGA's terribly incompetent 3D team, go ahead.

As much as I enjoyed Lament of Innocence, yeah this.

Don't anybody throw bricks at me, but I don't understand the fascination with Alucard. I mean, I kind of do, with his appearance in SotN pioneering the "ridiculous loads of loots and weapons" aspect of Castlevania, but... there's no guarantee at all that Alucard coming back will mean that a new game will be as good as that one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on January 28, 2014, 10:20:22 PM
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If it's not by IGA's terribly incompetent 3D team, go ahead.

Same here.

If IGA goes back to the series, he should stick to making the 2D games, with a separate team doing good 3D games. As in, put more effort into the level design than just "hallway, room full of enemies, another hallway, more hallways, another room full of enemies, etc." I think they could make a good 2D game on the consoles if they went and redrew all of the enemies in HD, Castlevania style. That would throw the "it's next-gen, games have to be in 3D" argument out the window, as far as I'm concerned. 2.5D would be good as well. As for the 3D games, they need to make sure to avoid making the mistakes of the other 3D iterations pre-LOS, be it a poor camera or monotonous level design.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 28, 2014, 11:14:57 PM
I don't think IGA will ever touch the series again, I expect someone new to come along.

So I'm wondering if this will play for the final battle, or if this is when you
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Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 - Final Battle Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nncRy9-46c#ws)
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Post by: Nagumo on January 29, 2014, 01:28:58 AM
The series is not just defined by IGA or MS, so somebody else with a different vision would be my preference.
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Post by: mzubailah on January 29, 2014, 01:40:36 AM
Guys , can someone please post the link to the Ad in here
i can't seem to find it
Title: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 29, 2014, 01:50:20 AM
Don't anybody throw bricks at me, but I don't understand the fascination with Alucard. I mean, I kind of do, with his appearance in SotN pioneering the "ridiculous loads of loots and weapons" aspect of Castlevania, but... there's no guarantee at all that Alucard coming back will mean that a new game will be as good as that one.

The fascination with Alucard sprouted from his awesomeness in SotN.
Yeah, developers would rather skirt the issue with the Alucard game cause they don't want to draw the fan's ire.
Trevorcard by MS, as an example, split the fans. What more an Alucard game?

However, personally, I want that game to happen. But I am also aware of the consequences.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Abnormal Freak on January 29, 2014, 01:54:39 AM
I wanna see the Nagumo versus Jorge standoff already.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 29, 2014, 02:01:55 AM
I wanna see the Nagumo versus Jorge standoff already.

Crisis shall be the referee. Hehehe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on January 29, 2014, 02:18:45 AM
I don't think IGA will ever touch the series again,

Let's hope is that way.

Interview with Cox.

http://abload.de/img/coxmqud4.jpg (http://abload.de/img/coxmqud4.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 29, 2014, 04:24:20 AM
If you go to the castlevania wiki, you can see like 5 seconds of new gameplay in the ad. You can see like 2 seconds of the Agreus battle and also of that purple wind guy. Its not much at all. But i get excited about the smallest of new stuff.

Meh, I cannot watch this ad on the wiki since it only shows German ads to me. :( I guess Agreus appears normal sized here?
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Post by: Kingshango on January 29, 2014, 05:25:59 AM
Meh, I cannot watch this ad on the wiki since it only shows German ads to me. :( I guess Agreus appears normal sized here?

He's pretty tall.
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Post by: Rugal on January 29, 2014, 07:40:04 AM
Music sounds as generic and lifeless as ever. Give Castlevania to Platinum games.
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Post by: crisis on January 29, 2014, 08:12:07 AM
Artwork of Satan's final form:

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Post by: Kingshango on January 29, 2014, 08:15:32 AM
Leaked pic of Alucard in modern day! :o

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Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 08:50:50 AM
I hate you both
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 09:01:16 AM
Music sounds as generic and lifeless as ever. Give Castlevania to Platinum games.
Yeah terrible. In other news, one of the most important soundtracks publications just reviewed the LoS Ultimate Score.http://tracksounds.com/reviews/castlevania_lords_shadow_ultimate_oscar_araujo.htm (http://tracksounds.com/reviews/castlevania_lords_shadow_ultimate_oscar_araujo.htm)

10/10
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Post by: EstebanT on January 29, 2014, 10:21:51 AM
10/10

I still can only remember like 5 tracks from the whole soundtrack.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
I still can only remember like 5 tracks from the whole soundtrack.
Read the review. They address fan criticism and how it was criticized for being "Holliwood epic".Their parameters don't adress catchyness but cohessiveness and catharsis, e g. You may not remember the melodic line but when the track wants to reflect sorrow it does mangnificently. It's another point of view more musician oriented, you may not like the /style/ but in its style its wonderful.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 29, 2014, 10:55:27 AM
Read the review. They address fan criticism and how it was criticized for being "Holliwood epic".Their parameters don't adress catchyness but cohessiveness and catharsis, e g. You may not remember the melodic line but when the track wants to reflect sorrow it does mangnificently. It's another point of view more musician oriented, you may not like the /style/ but in its style its wonderful.

I'm usually the one defending Lords of Shadow, but I just can't when it comes to the musical aspects. It doesn't even have anything to do with the music of past Castlevanias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atM3ZhF8MVs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atM3ZhF8MVs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1rCl64PNI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1rCl64PNI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j8iEnZB7K4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j8iEnZB7K4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI6Tinpwtlk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI6Tinpwtlk)

It sounds very generic. Sure, it fits the game very well.... but its not very memorable. Keep in mind I don't think "generic" means Oscar Araujo isn't talented or that the soundtrack isn't good, but 10/10?

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e g. You may not remember the melodic line but when the track wants to reflect sorrow it does mangnificently.

So Oscar can write a sad song... I would hope so... Since he writes music...
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Post by: e105beta on January 29, 2014, 01:11:16 PM
I still can only remember like 5 tracks from the whole soundtrack.

Catchyness is not the ultimate measure of quality
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 01:11:35 PM
geez Ahasverus lol.

You don't have to defend every aspect of LOS at every turn, even the most avid LOS fan can admit that one thing CVLOS lacks is a memorable score.

Most of it is easily forgettable for the most part save for a few tracks.
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Post by: cerebralbore on January 29, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
 The music created by Oscar for the first LoS is impeccable. The memorable that can be a ost is relative for everyone; for example, I love the ost of Matrix, my mother would never love anything like this.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 29, 2014, 01:21:45 PM
Indeed. Music is just a matter of taste. You like it or you don't like it. But this doesn't make Music good in an objective manner. If you want to define Music as objectively good you need to review it like in that article.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 01:31:49 PM
Just to clarify, there is a difference in music being "good" and "memorable".

I think CVLOS music sounds good.

But do I think its memorable?

no.

Especially in comparison to the old castlevania series from the NES days all the way up to playstation 2.

I think they do to much to make it sound like a hollywood score which is their thing I guess, its just not a score I thought would fit well with the castlevania series which is known for its catchy music.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 29, 2014, 01:37:30 PM
Catchyness is not the ultimate measure of quality

I agree 100%
Listen to Belmont theme, Draculs theme, Carmilla, Final confrontation, waterfalls of agharta... Not particularly catchy. But very memorable in my opinion...

Now listen to the rest of the album without falling asleep.

I'm not just saying it to be a dick. I bet adding electronic like they promised will make it stand out more.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 29, 2014, 02:05:21 PM
The important thing about the soundtrack of LOS is that it does what they set out to do with it. It creates an atmosphere that morphs to match the mood of the player. Sometimes it doesn't always line up, but this was an experimental type of score to do for a video game and I think a kink here and there can be forgiven.

If Oscar had been trying to make another SOTN score or somethig like that, then we could call it a failure.

Complaining bout the LOS score because it doesn't have catchy songs like previous cv titles is like complaining about a submarine because it can't fly. You have to understand what the purpose of the LOS score is to appreciate it.

I think it's a great body of work. I don't usually choose to listen to it on it's own, but I remember being blown away by it while I was playing the game.

MOF on the other failed at this in my opinion.
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Post by: Dremn on January 29, 2014, 02:09:06 PM
I like Mirror of Fate's soundtrack way more than LoS's, something about it just struck a better chord with me.

I'm especially fond of the Dracula Battle theme and how it cleverly mixes "Dark Lord of the Vampires" and "Final Confrontation" into it. DL theme can be heard at 3:10, FC at 4:50.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow ~ Mirror of Fate OST: Final Fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F103ZhvqPs#ws)

Dark Lord of the Vampires: Castlevania Lords of Shadow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRfnb3ugcD0#)

Castlevania Lords of Shadow Music - Final Confrontation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvzhoq2SHuk#)

And then some of MoF's own original tracks were pretty great, they sounded more "Castlevania" than most of LoS's score.

Lament - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Mirror of Fate Expanded Soundtrack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnl4Ge6gDEI#)

Castlevania Lords of Shadow ~ Mirror of Fate OST: Night Watchman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzDzOuXtLzo#ws)

Castlevania Lords of Shadow Mirror of Fate OST - Library (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92BMGPv3uos#)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 02:10:41 PM


Complaining bout the LOS score because it doesn't have catchy songs like previous cv titles is like complaining about a submarine because it can't fly. You have to understand what the purpose of the LOS score is to appreciate it.



Lol, I know exactly what their purpose was and what they set out to do.

They explained that perfectly well during the development of LOS1.

But does not mean that everyone is going to like and appreciate it?

No.

Its all subjective really, but if LOS was its own thing with a soundtrack like that I wouldn't mind it as much, but its a Castlevania title, granted that it is a reboot.

And who the hell would expect a submarine to fly?

Your comparison is a bit off there considering its understandable for a fan to expect a catchy soundtrack out of a CV title considering its history said series has had with music.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on January 29, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
I agree 100%
Listen to Belmont theme, Draculs theme, Carmilla, Final confrontation, waterfalls of agharta... Not particularly catchy. But very memorable in my opinion...

Now listen to the rest of the album without falling asleep.

I'm not just saying it to be a dick. I bet adding electronic like they promised will make it stand out more.

Don't forget Hunting Path. That's like the go-to theme.

I guess I'd have to say I agree, but the biggest issue with LoS music (at least for me) isn't memorability, because all of the big cues and songs are memorable for me. I hear a song, I'm like "YEAH, THAT'S THE SONG THAT WAS PLAYING WHEN I BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF CORNELL!". My issue is that while 70% of the soundtrack is really memorable, 30% isn't and that's the stuff that they actually play the most.

That, and that the soundtrack was a bit limited, or at least if felt limited because you kept hearing the same tunes.

For me, if a soundtrack enhances the game/movie experience, it's achieved its goal. It doesn't necessarily need to be something I go and listen to in my downtime to be good. For example, there are only a few songs from MoF that I actively go back and listen to, Reaver or Clocktower or Theatre or Dracula Battle, but that doesn't mean that while I was playing the game I didn't find the other more somber, atmospheric themes absolutely stellar at getting the right feel.

I don't know, I guess that's just me. I don't mind if other people are looking for something different in a soundtrack, but you aren't going to get me to admit that the soundtrack was anything less than phenomenal at accomplishing what it set out to do.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 29, 2014, 02:54:42 PM
I didn't say everyone had to like it. I said complaining about it for not having catchy songs is complaining about the wrong thing. If you want to criticize it objectively, then criticize it for what it is. For example, complaining that the moods don't always match up, or that the vibe was wrong. They did not intend to put catchy upbeat music in LOS. If you don't like that, that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the score was a failure, or a low point in the series. It means that you just don't like the angle they took. Many long time fans like myself appreciate that they did something different with LOS.

Let me make another analogy. It's like complaining about a circle for it not having sharp edges. I don't think I can make that any clearer. Lol

Anyways, to me MOF tried to do the same thing, but the execution was off. I found that atmospherical music in a side scroller game was a bad fit, and maybe that's why the score came off as boring to me. But it could have been just uninspired compositions. I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that many people listened for the wrong things with the LOS soundtrack and found themselves dissapointed because of it.

I don't understand how anyone who knew what the score of LOS was about could make a complaint that the songs weren't catchy. What were you expecting? Bloody tears to break or something?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 03:08:06 PM


I don't understand how anyone who knew what the score of LOS was about could make a complaint that the songs weren't catchy. What were you expecting? Bloody tears to break or something?

Because it was not their thing, it was not to their liking, is that so hard to understand?

Some people like to play a castlevania game with different music in mind, it doesn't have to be Bloody tears are anything like that, as I said earlier its subjective really.

Its ok if you like that kind of hollwood score/ambient type of music in your CV games, others do not.

What LOS set out to do was its own thing which is understandable, it set out to have that type of musical score and it did what it set out to do perfectly, but it does not mean that people who know what the score set out to do should automatically be onboard with it, especially when they are accustomed to a different type of musical score in the series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 29, 2014, 03:26:23 PM
Watch out guys, Spain Killer isn't the only one with a copy of the game. The game has leaked out in certain places already so heads up.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 29, 2014, 03:33:55 PM
I feel like I'm talking to myself here.

Stop using the word "catchy". I don't want catchy in lords of shadow, it obviously doesn't fit.
Music can be not "catchy" and still manage to not bore you to death. There is such thing as balance. Listen to Crystal Teardrops and you will get what I mean.

Am I the only one who thinks this way? Certainly not.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 29, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
Watch out guys, Spain Killer isn't the only one with a copy of the game. The game has leaked out in certain places already so heads up.

Anyone in specific?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Watch out guys, Spain Killer isn't the only one with a copy of the game. The game has leaked out in certain places already so heads up.
Where?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 29, 2014, 03:53:33 PM
Anyone in specific?

Another review copy.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 03:58:12 PM
Another review copy.

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Ah, so /v/.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 29, 2014, 04:00:31 PM
I agree with you EstanbanT

In my personal taste, LOS was a good score, and not boring.

In that same taste, MOF was a boring score.

Maybe it was it was because the nature of the game was very different, but maybe not.

Because it was not their thing, it was not to their liking, is that so hard to understand?

Some people like to play a castlevania game with different music in mind, it doesn't have to be Bloody tears are anything like that, as I said earlier its subjective really.

Its ok if you like that kind of hollwood score/ambient type of music in your CV games, others do not.

What LOS set out to do was its own thing which is understandable, it set out to have that type of musical score and it did what it set out to do perfectly, but it does not mean that people who know what the score set out to do should automatically be onboard with it, especially when they are accustomed to a different type of musical score in the series.

I'm not sure if you're actually reading what I'm saying or not.
I didn't say everyone had to like it. I said complaining about it for not having catchy songs is complaining about the wrong thing. If you want to criticize it objectively, then criticize it for what it is. For example, complaining that the moods don't always match up, or that the vibe was wrong. They did not intend to put catchy upbeat music in LOS. If you don't like that, that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the score was a failure, or a low point in the series. It means that you just don't like the angle they took. Many long time fans like myself appreciate that they did something different with LOS.

I am clearly saying here that it's fine if people disagree with the angle they took. Meaning it's fine if it's not "their thing".

What is irritating to me is when someone tries to critique the score under the pretense of it being something other than what it is meant to be. I also find it irritating when people throw this term "hollywood" around. All styles and genres of music are used in films. Elctronic, rock, blue grass, virtually everything. There is no typical score for films. Fully orchestrated music that doesn't follow a traditional structure is not the default definition of a score for film.

No one is debating that music is subjective. Everyone likes different things, that is fine.

If you still don't see what I'm trying to say then I'm going to give up, because this is getting exhausting.






Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 29, 2014, 04:00:55 PM
Watch out guys, Spain Killer isn't the only one with a copy of the game. The game has leaked out in certain places already so heads up.
Awesome, bring on the gameplay footage.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 29, 2014, 04:06:37 PM
Awesome, bring on the gameplay footage.

Give it a week or so, I can feel the water running.(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fwin.png&hash=c7ffcf647bee0c11f9158b7b2630d137)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 04:09:04 PM


If you still don't see what I'm trying to say then I'm going to give up, because this is getting exhausting.

lol some people take this stuff to seriously.

Your getting irritated and exhausted over a discussion about a video game's music score?

Just go ahead and give up then if its getting to you so much.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 29, 2014, 04:24:59 PM
lol some people take this stuff to seriously.

Your getting irritated and exhausted over a discussion about a video game's music score?

Just go ahead and give up then if its getting to you so much.

???
Its pretty irritating to have people not acknowledge your points at all. I too am getting exahusted of this argument getting nowhere. And im not taking it too seriously, as i'm sure neither is he... But wasting time talking to nobody sucks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 04:25:43 PM
@Alucard It's because you haven't understood that music does not consist on catchyness and that there is a reason why cellphone ringtones don't have award ceremonies, because music goes deeper than that. I'd suggest you to read the review and understand the professional critic angle and then decide if you agree or disagree with it.

About the leaks, stop giving me false hopes  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 04:31:50 PM
@Alucard It's because you haven't understood that music does not consist on catchyness and that there is a reason why cellphone ringtones don't have award ceremonies, because music goes deeper than that. I'd suggest you to read the review and understand the professional critic angle and then decide if you agree or disagree with it.



Lol how did I fail to understand?

Did all of you guys miss the part of my post earlier where i pointed out that LOS's score set out to do something different with its score it and did it perfectly?

I never said that because it did not have any catchy tunes that the soundtrack was not deep or had no meaning to it, I only gave my opinion on what I as well as others expect from a CV soundtrack and why its so off putting to some.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 29, 2014, 04:33:22 PM
lol some people take this stuff to seriously.

Your getting irritated and exhausted over a discussion about a video game's music score?

Just go ahead and give up then if its getting to you so much.

No. I'm getting exhausted because you keep missing my point! But I just downed a monster, so...

I'm musician and writer myself, so I am very passionate about music. Castlevania has been my favorite video game music for over 20 years, so I get especially passionate about this games music. 

I am also currently making music for a fan Castlevania game. I spend hours at work each day analyzing the different music of the series over the years. I appreciate all of it and I make a real effort to understand the motive of the different composers.

I will admit that I may be a little obsessed right now, and overly sensitive to the topic of CV music. But damn it, I can't help it!

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 04:38:58 PM
No. I'm getting exhausted because you keep missing my point!

How did I miss your point?

All I have really be doing is reiterating mine for the most part.

I get that LOS score should be judged by what it set out to do, which is why I pointed out earlier I thought they did a good job in that respect.

They wanted to create a soundtrack based on the mood of the player, they sought to differentiate this score from the previous entries and make it more mainstream which is ok for them since this was a reboot and a fresh start.

The only thing for the most part I have been saying is that I just do not agree with such a score being in a CV game.

If it was its on IP I could easily judge it by its own merits, but since its a CV game I have to look back and see how it stacks up to previous entries.

But even then I know what kind of score it set out to be and accomplish.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on January 29, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
Could it be that you are one of the "I think LOS should not be a Castlevania" CV fans?

If so, that would make the last couple of hours make a whole lot more sense to me.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 04:49:42 PM
Eh, LoS music is boring for me because I found it boring.

That's about it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 04:49:54 PM
Could it be that you are one of the "I think LOS should not be a Castlevania" CV fans?



I used to be, but lately I have become a lot more tolerate of it and see it as a CV game now, although obviously different and rebooted.

I still however hold the notion that it would have been much better under its own IP rather than the CV series, but still I have grown more interested in it than before, especially with Mirror of Fate and CVLOS2 although the former did let me down, but at least it got the CV vibe to it (minus the soundtrack) and so far I could say the same of CVLOS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 04:55:46 PM
Eh, LoS music is boring for me because I found it boring.

That's about it.
I can get behind this :P I for one hate the Lamment of Innocence score, bores me to tears, but I know it also won its fair share of awards.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 29, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
Castlevania III, IV, Bloodlines, Rondo, Belmont's Revenge, and SotN have the best soundtracks in the series in my opinion.

Rebirth gets honorable mention because I am forever the Rebirth guy around here. :P

The LoS universe's music is meant to fit the mood more than anything else, and at this point I get that message. I still wish it had some more melody in it though, nothing will ever beat that sweet Konami sound of old. One of Castlevania's defining features has always been it's music, I like the LoS series but the music is not it's strong suit when compared to what I'm familiar with when it comes to the series score.

I hope the next attempt at the series brings back that familiar sound.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 05:00:36 PM
Castlevania III, IV, Bloodlines, Rondo, and SotN have the best soundtracks in the series in my opinion.

Rebirth gets honorable mention because I am forever the Rebirth guy around here. :P
How did you dare to forget Belmont's Revenge *youarealreadydead.jpg*
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 05:01:02 PM
It's strange for me to say that I accept LoS a lot more now because I know it's ending with this game? I can respect a developer wanting to finish a story. LoS is a very different take on Castlevania. Besides the music, I'll remember some good things that came from it.

But what I'm much more interested is to see where the series goes from here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 29, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
How did you dare to forget Belmont's Revenge *youarealreadydead.jpg*

AAAAAAAAh IM SORRY D8
It's strange for me to say that I accept LoS a lot more now because I know it's ending with this game?
Nah, that's where I'm at now too. LoS is a mixed bag among the fans, you either think its a Castlevania game or you don't. I honestly did not become a real fan of this new series until that hype LoS2 CG trailer and Mirror of Fate establishing the Belmont clan/Dracula into it's canon.

When I think Castlevania, I think Dracula, not Satan.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
Satan was a complete asspull. Yeah, having Dracula (or Dracul, as he call himself for no reason at all) as playable character won me for LoS2. And making the battle system faster and apparently less use the same combo over and over again will be great too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 05:19:15 PM
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Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 05:38:54 PM
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I understand that spoiler differently. If you read it carefully, it leaves on the air that maybe there's another battle after Satan.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 05:43:42 PM
I understand that spoiler differently. If you read it carefully, it leaves on the air that maybe there's another battle after Satan.

Really?

Because the final achievement which says

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 05:49:00 PM
Really?

Because the final achievement which says

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"And save the world, again." That part makes me think there's something after it. The chapter structure hints at that too.

The only problem I'm having right now is having Gabriel coming back/spliting from Dracula. That's bullshit IMO.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 05:50:46 PM
Really?

Because the final achievement which says

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I don't think so, by this point the leaked level list is pretty legit and we know there is something that comes after that. Probably
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 05:56:05 PM

The only problem I'm having right now is having Gabriel coming back/spliting from Dracula. That's bullshit IMO.

Agree there, but it seems to be the only way we are going to get a Belmont vs Dracula final battle since Victor seems to be getting shafted.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 29, 2014, 05:59:14 PM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news everybody....

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If you look...

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Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
that might be
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Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 06:18:07 PM
I don't think so, by this point the leaked level list is pretty legit and we know there is something that comes after that. Probably
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Probably Dracula himself. If he Gabriel is really separated from him, we'll fight Dracula using Gabriel in the end...

Dunno, I'll wait to see...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 06:19:46 PM
These spoilers say nothing about Alucard. Fuck, they are making him secondary huh? Even when he is a Belmont too, he is getting the shaft...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on January 29, 2014, 06:22:44 PM
...getting the shaft...
HA
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 29, 2014, 06:24:51 PM
These spoilers say nothing about Alucard. Fuck, they are making him secondary huh? Even when he is a Belmont too, he is getting the shaft...
Tease character for DLC.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 06:26:44 PM
Tease character for DLC.
Are they considering DLC? Has Cox said something about it?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 29, 2014, 06:27:03 PM
These spoilers say nothing about Alucard. Fuck, they are making him secondary huh? Even when he is a Belmont too, he is getting the shaft...

Yea the little we are hearing on Alucard has me uneasy...

Especially since he should be pretty important since he has the only thing that is known to be able to kill Gabriel/Dracula for good.

It seems more and more likely that he gets killed at some point midway in the game and has his sword taken, the most likely murderer seems to be Zobek/Death.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 29, 2014, 06:41:45 PM
Alucard DLC will happen.

Believe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on January 29, 2014, 06:48:32 PM
Yea the little we are hearing on Alucard has me uneasy...

Especially since he should be pretty important since he has the only thing that is known to be able to kill Gabriel/Dracula for good.

It seems more and more likely that he gets killed at some point midway in the game and has his sword taken, the most likely murderer seems to be Zobek/Death.
If he gets killed for no reason, I'll be fucking pissed off!!!

I'll complain here until I get banned.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 29, 2014, 07:04:07 PM
i dunno if i like how they perhaps unintentionally revealed major plot points in the trailer for instance Darcula saying "i am your hate your destiny" y Alucrad saying "the only one that can kill Darcula is Gabriel Belmont" i mean come on. add to that the knowledge of "separating into 2 beings" from LoS1's plot it becomes obvious that this will happen again in LoS2. can it really be that predictable? well yes because we predicted what would happen in MoF before it's release so i guess the same thing is happening with LoS2. only thing that has me intruiged plot-wise is what Cox said how the ending will be a big "wtf" moment

otherwise this will be the first videogame i've purchased in a long time. haven't really been gaming as much as i used to nowadays.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 29, 2014, 07:36:25 PM
Alucard DLC will happen.

Believe.

I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point.
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Post by: flyingchai on January 29, 2014, 07:40:03 PM
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We may think we know how this goes down....but I'm expecting the unexpected still.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 29, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
only thing that has me intruiged plot-wise is what Cox said how the ending will be a big "wtf" moment

This. Coupled with this.

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Would mean this.
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or

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on January 30, 2014, 01:12:54 AM
You have to remember it's Cox, Cox likes to say things.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 30, 2014, 02:46:16 AM
Can anyone tell the Name(s) of the other guy(s) with a Review copy?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 30, 2014, 08:24:54 AM
Spainkiller finished the game. He says there are some "meh" parts (probably the revilled Areus fight) but that it was a very good game. So, crisis averted.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 30, 2014, 08:32:42 AM
Spainkiller finished the game. He says there are some "meh" parts (probably the revilled Areus fight) but that it was a very good game. So, crisis averted.
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Well, I do not remember any game more than 20 hours not have some "meh" parts o mision, except Zelda Ocarina of Time. Even FF had many boring parts.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 30, 2014, 08:36:07 AM
Well, I do not remember any game more than 20 hours not have some "meh" parts o mision, except Zelda Ocarina of Time. Even FF had many boring parts.
Hey bergaron :3 do you have it already? Any conjectures you'd like to share with us? How are the behind the scenes in mercury now?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on January 30, 2014, 08:44:48 AM
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Spainkiller finished the game. He says there are some "meh" parts (probably the revilled Areus fight) but that it was a very good game. So, crisis averted.

what
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 30, 2014, 08:56:07 AM
what
what what?
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Post by: Dremn on January 30, 2014, 09:05:34 AM
what
Oh you card
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on January 30, 2014, 09:07:01 AM
Spainkiller finished the game. He says there are some "meh" parts (probably the revilled Areus fight) but that it was a very good game. So, crisis averted.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on January 30, 2014, 09:07:11 AM
Hey bergaron :3 do you have it already? Any conjectures you'd like to share with us? How are the behind the scenes in mercury now?

I do not have it, if I tell the truth even think I'll buy when the price goes down in steam, 29 euros is my stop. I find it an amazing game, best artistic design ever seen in this generation and in the top 5 soundtracks (for those who likes hollywood and epic), excellent gameplay. Give it a 9/9.5, the graphics look like next generation but on XBOX360 and PS3 it shows that have "trimmed" to enter the console with good framerate, the PC version stands much..

But now I'm more hype for Dark Sould2, Expansion D3, MGSV, Thief and TitanFall. Los2 be a safe purchase (only for the graphics I'll buy it) but right now I feel like playing a game with a different game style to a Hack & Slash (Except ARPG like D3), tastes change with the days and now feel like most other styles game.

:)


Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on January 30, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
Spainkiller deleted the tweets but ENDING SPOILERS
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 30, 2014, 09:25:42 AM
Spainkiller deleted the tweets but ENDING SPOILERS
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Cox would be a HUGE troll and liar if this is not the end.

I know LOS fans want it to continue, but Cox and MS has over and over and over and over reiterated that this is the final chapter to the LOS series.
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Post by: VladCT on January 30, 2014, 09:29:46 AM
You know, I really would love to have Cox's fireproof pants. :P
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Post by: Dremn on January 30, 2014, 09:32:45 AM
Spainkiller deleted the tweets but ENDING SPOILERS
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SIGH

Can we at least get some actual Classicvanias in the LoS art style then? God dammit Konami.

I kind of expected it to turn out like this after I saw "Belmont Lineage" in the Journal, Konami could probably make games about whoever they mention.
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 30, 2014, 09:34:57 AM
Urg, ending spoilers already. Fuck, I need that game now.
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Post by: flyingchai on January 30, 2014, 09:53:43 AM
Cox has said numerous times that they want fans to talk about & debate the ending for years to come. This obviously means that although the story has an end, we will be able to interpret it in a number of ways.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 30, 2014, 09:54:32 AM
So leak guy was right about Konami continuing the Lords of Shadow series without Mercurysteam.
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Post by: crisis on January 30, 2014, 10:01:04 AM
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Post by: e105beta on January 30, 2014, 10:04:37 AM
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 30, 2014, 10:12:05 AM
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Pretty much. I do hope they drop the "LoS" moniker however.
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Post by: Nagumo on January 30, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
I saw that tweet, too. He just said the ending wasn't as open and shut as they said it would be. He didn't seem to imply there was a huge sequel bait or anything, though.
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Post by: Dremn on January 30, 2014, 11:26:07 AM
Pretty much. I do hope they drop the "LoS" moniker however.
Agreed.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 30, 2014, 11:39:11 AM
Oh, crisis...
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Let's just hope that LoS2 is a good game and that even if the ending is a little open-ended, Konami or anyone else doesn't try and continue the LoS saga. LoS2 was meant to be the end as far as MS was concerned and I think if someone else tried to continue it, the series would become stagnant like the pre-LoS cannon is. I also fail to see the point in trying to link the two timelines. They are completely different and seem to exist in different worlds. It would just create plot holes.

Pretty much. I do hope they drop the "LoS" moniker however.
Agreed. I think once LoS2 is out, Konami should either go back to the old cannon, or do another reboot either alone or with a different developer.
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Post by: crisis on January 30, 2014, 11:45:38 AM
maybe it ends like this

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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 30, 2014, 12:25:25 PM
Still noone that knows the Name or the page of the other guys who leak Content of the final game?
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Post by: KaZudra on January 30, 2014, 03:08:42 PM
Still noone that knows the Name or the page of the other guys who leak Content of the final game?

LoS2 will not be the last LoS game, these 3 games have resurrected the long sleeping franchise in a more mainstream fashion...
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Post by: Maedhros on January 30, 2014, 03:41:51 PM
I'll be fucking pissed if LoS2 isn't the last LoS game. There's nowhere to go, fuck this shit!

Stories about Brotherhood, new Belmonts... no, really, fuck all of this. Reboot this shit again, please.
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Post by: EstebanT on January 30, 2014, 03:45:22 PM
I would prefer that before Iga....
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Post by: crisis on January 30, 2014, 03:50:38 PM
i think you mean "i would prefer that before the classic canon," which doesn't belong to a single producer

anyway, if they were to make another game in the style of ReBirth, then that'd be way better than a "Mirror of Fate 2"
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Post by: Maedhros on January 30, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
LoS2 ending = this

next gen Castlevania teaser trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LKuo1IBhNY#)


* Heavily modified to fit LoS universe *
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 30, 2014, 04:04:26 PM
LoS2 ending = this
next gen Castlevania teaser trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LKuo1IBhNY#)
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I'm half expecting it.
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Post by: EstebanT on January 30, 2014, 04:17:52 PM
i think you mean "i would prefer that before the classic canon," which doesn't belong to a single producer


No, I mean exactly what I said
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Post by: crisis on January 30, 2014, 04:38:41 PM
u think you're gonna have a personal confrontation with IGA one day, then? maybe things won't exactly go in your favor

i guess i can understand that lol
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 30, 2014, 04:56:51 PM
u think you're gonna have a personal confrontation with IGA one day, then? maybe things won't exactly go in your favor

i guess i can understand that lol
That demented in cowboy hat that carries a whip everywhere? I wouldn't touch that guy :P
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Post by: Dremn on January 30, 2014, 06:01:18 PM
anyway, if they were to make another game in the style of ReBirth, then that'd be way better than a "Mirror of Fate 2"
This is all I've been asking for for awhile now.

Belmont's Revenge or Legends ReBirth Konami, please and thank you. You will not regret it.
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Post by: e105beta on January 30, 2014, 06:39:05 PM
I'll be fucking pissed if LoS2 isn't the last LoS game. There's nowhere to go, fuck this shit!

Stories about Brotherhood, new Belmonts... no, really, fuck all of this. Reboot this shit again, please.

What's wrong with new Belmonts?
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 30, 2014, 06:45:07 PM
I'll be fucking pissed if LoS2 isn't the last LoS game. There's nowhere to go, fuck this shit!

Stories about Brotherhood, new Belmonts... no, really, fuck all of this. Reboot this shit again, please.
I wholeheartedly agree!!!!! After LoS2, the LoS saga should be left alone. MS said that it was suppose to be the end and it should be left as such. I say give the reins to another developer and reboot the series again.
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Post by: Maedhros on January 30, 2014, 07:06:53 PM
What's wrong with new Belmonts?
I simply don't think LoS should try the same approach as the old series. Make the series more like Zelda, with multiple universes and self-contained stories. A multiverse if we can call that.

That and I think that a LoS without Mercury Steam wouldn't be the same thing. So, no, I don't want a new LoS game or new Belmonts on a new LoS game or something. I prefer if they simply tried another thing with the series.
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Post by: Koutei on January 30, 2014, 07:48:03 PM
My LoS2 ending speculation
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Post by: Maedhros on January 30, 2014, 07:55:21 PM
My LoS2 ending speculation
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That would be so fucking lame. Dracula should be the final boss, so Dracula has to win this.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 30, 2014, 07:58:00 PM
In other news, the games is supposedly shorter than LoS1 with almost all fat trimmed, also the world while open and "decently stiched together" is not "as seamless as Dark Souls". Also SPOILER FIGHT

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Post by: KaZudra on January 30, 2014, 08:53:12 PM
I simply don't think LoS should try the same approach as the old series. Make the series more like Zelda, with multiple universes and self-contained stories. A multiverse if we can call that.

That and I think that a LoS without Mercury Steam wouldn't be the same thing. So, no, I don't want a new LoS game or new Belmonts on a new LoS game or something. I prefer if they simply tried another thing with the series.

I see your point, but if left in capable hands, it could turn out for the better. Kojima turned to Platinum for Metal Gear Rising and yes it was a far-cry to the rest of the series it was also very plausible in the Metal Gear universe but also amazing in it's own right.


also, I'm making a new topic on Zelda in which I agree with you, but there is too many off topic points to make
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Post by: Zetheraxza on January 30, 2014, 08:59:53 PM
My LoS2 ending speculation
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Post by: Munchy on January 30, 2014, 10:34:11 PM
Can't say I'm surprised that the ending leaves sequel possibilities open. If LoS2 does sorta-gangbusters like the first game, it'll likely stick around for a while as Konami finds other developers to make more LoS games on the cheap.

I agree with Enric that the next game should be completely different. If LoS did anything right, it was proving that the series can shake things up and still be successful. Although the lesson Konami will take away from it will likely be "DAAAAAH IT SOLD A LOT LET'S MAKE 15 MORE, BAWS".
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on January 31, 2014, 04:48:14 AM
In other news, the games is supposedly shorter than LoS1 with almost all fat trimmed, also the world while open and "decently stiched together" is not "as seamless as Dark Souls". Also SPOILER FIGHT

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Which basically means that - at least according to Spain Killer and regarding his personal oppinion - there is an excellent Boss fight as well that will be even better than the above mentioned.
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Post by: cerebralbore on January 31, 2014, 05:23:15 AM

 I really love LoS 1 and probably, LoS 2. But I think that this "parallet version" of the saga, must end whit LoS 2. Its normal that Konami want use up this new gold chicken, but if they do a new LoS game, it probably would be like the last Batman (Arkham Origins), a game with less quality than his 2 predecessor. LoS is MS, so better let that it sleep.
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Post by: crisis on January 31, 2014, 05:49:03 AM
so has anyone else noticed not one of these leaks mentions as Slogra/Gaibon battle
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 31, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
so has anyone else noticed not one of these leaks mentions as Slogra/Gaibon battle
Because it doesn't exist? We knowthat since  like 3 years ago. Sad I know, but again, DLC :P
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Post by: Nagumo on January 31, 2014, 07:00:46 AM
I simply don't think LoS should try the same approach as the old series. Make the series more like Zelda, with multiple universes and self-contained stories. A multiverse if we can call that.

That and I think that a LoS without Mercury Steam wouldn't be the same thing. So, no, I don't want a new LoS game or new Belmonts on a new LoS game or something. I prefer if they simply tried another thing with the series.

Stay out of my head!
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Post by: crisis on January 31, 2014, 07:42:24 AM
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Because it doesn't exist? We knowthat since  like 3 years ago. Sad I know, but again, DLC :P

so why even tease his corpse in the LoS1 ending? and i wouldnt rely too much on dlc, it could be underwhelming too  that said, if Slogra isn't an enemy in los2 then i doubt they're saving him for later

its like when ppl say alucard isn't featured in los2 as much as he should be well that must mean he will be dlc. why tho? maybe they're just planning a few "challenge packs" or a boss rush and a few skins and that's it.


it's like they say, "expectation is the root of all heartache"
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Post by: EstebanT on January 31, 2014, 07:52:42 AM
[New & Official] Abbey Road Recordings [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I8WE0XnLLE#ws)
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 31, 2014, 08:43:36 AM
Never heard Araujo talk before. True words.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 31, 2014, 09:46:06 AM
That commercial from the Castlevania wiki with a few new clips:
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 NEW GAMEPLAY TV Spot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXlNCErenmw#ws)
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on January 31, 2014, 11:01:44 AM
Gabriel must acquire double jump as Cox said in twitter a while ago. Will wings come out from his back? Angelic or demonic? I would like them to be bat-wings... or Dragon wings.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 31, 2014, 11:32:07 AM
That commercial from the Castlevania wiki with a few new clips:
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 NEW GAMEPLAY TV Spot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXlNCErenmw#ws)

I like LOS2 a lot, but this commercial is very bad....
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 31, 2014, 11:37:22 AM
PC players are going to get a bonus, according to Cox. Maybe MoF HD?
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Post by: EstebanT on January 31, 2014, 12:19:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnSlAfc1tHnCPflx4_ugGJg?app=desktop&persist_app=1 (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnSlAfc1tHnCPflx4_ugGJg?app=desktop&persist_app=1)

Same trailer better quality.
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Post by: Bergaron on January 31, 2014, 12:22:47 PM
PC players are going to get a bonus, according to Cox. Maybe MoF HD?

something to push the sells...
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 31, 2014, 12:39:44 PM
something to push the sells...
Metal Gear V demo?
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Post by: Hagathrom on January 31, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
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http://www.amazon.com/CASTLEVANIA-Lords-Shadow-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00I4WG7Q2/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1391203443&sr=1-3&keywords=Castlevania+Lords+of+Shadow (http://www.amazon.com/CASTLEVANIA-Lords-Shadow-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00I4WG7Q2/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1391203443&sr=1-3&keywords=Castlevania+Lords+of+Shadow)

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Post by: Ahasverus on January 31, 2014, 03:05:02 PM
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oh my
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Post by: Flame on January 31, 2014, 03:44:55 PM
PC players are going to get a bonus, according to Cox. Maybe MoF HD?
Has anyone asked him on an ETA for PC preorders?

Or if PC players can get physical copies?

EDIT: Nevermind. SOON™ it is.

Still, what about physical copies?
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Post by: Maedhros on January 31, 2014, 04:06:48 PM
Bonus for PC gamers? I'll accept MoF HD, ok?
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Post by: Flame on January 31, 2014, 04:13:39 PM
Bonus for PC gamers? I'll accept MoF HD, ok?
yeah I'd be totally ok with that.
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Post by: cerebralbore on January 31, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
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http://www.amazon.com/CASTLEVANIA-Lords-Shadow-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00I4WG7Q2/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1391203443&sr=1-3&keywords=Castlevania+Lords+of+Shadow (http://www.amazon.com/CASTLEVANIA-Lords-Shadow-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00I4WG7Q2/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1391203443&sr=1-3&keywords=Castlevania+Lords+of+Shadow)

 WTF?? they could have include it in the tombs edition, Konami mother fucker !!!!
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Post by: Dremn on January 31, 2014, 05:06:35 PM
"Castlevania" on the tracklist better be an arrangement of classic songs, but I know it's probably just going to be some fanfare thing when you approach it.
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Post by: crisis on January 31, 2014, 06:54:33 PM
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"Castlevania" on the tracklist better be an arrangement of classic songs, but I know it's probably just going to be some fanfare thing when you approach it.

i agree Oswaldo, am not expecting it to be a remix from CV1 or anything but i suspect it'll be good in its own right. despite the "Hollywood epicness" of the LoS series soundtrack thus far, i must admit that there are still several tunes that are just excellent, such as BatmanBelmont's Theme, Vertical Prison, Prince of Darkness, just to name a few

due to the overall gothicness LoS2 seems to be oozing of, i am hoping it would have tunes to match. the game is looking phat and i cannot wait to play it
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Post by: Dremn on January 31, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
WILL YOU STOP CALLING ME OSWALD
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Post by: Maedhros on January 31, 2014, 09:01:02 PM
WILL YOU STOP CALLING ME OSWALD
Haha, EXCUUUUUSE me OSWALD!
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 31, 2014, 09:38:38 PM
WILL YOU STOP CALLING ME OSWALD
I'll call you Osmosis :P
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Post by: Dremn on January 31, 2014, 10:34:19 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZOyOzz5.gif&hash=7e3722e0297eca1baa8248f19d3b3095)
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Post by: Munchy on February 01, 2014, 12:36:40 AM
i agree Oswaldo, am not expecting it to be a remix from CV1 or anything but i suspect it'll be good in its own right. despite the "Hollywood epicness" of the LoS series soundtrack thus far, i must admit that there are still several tunes that are just excellent, such as BatmanBelmont's Theme, Vertical Prison, Prince of Darkness, just to name a few

due to the overall gothicness LoS2 seems to be oozing of, i am hoping it would have tunes to match. the game is looking phat and i cannot wait to play it

Agreed on both counts. There are several parts in the first game where the music comes together really well with the scenery and the combat.

I still think though, as far as using an orchestra goes, there are many games that do it better. For example, Onimusha or the PS2 Rygar.

My main hope is that the soundtrack has more than fifteen songs this time around and that we're not left listening to the same cycles of three tunes in about twelve different levels. Rearrangements of old songs I can take or leave.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 01, 2014, 07:18:31 AM
Alrighty guys. Here's a theory I have about the final boss.
I won't put it into spoiler tags, because you know, it is just my theory based on some thoughts and logic conclusions that I made and that I want to discuss with you.

The achievement list doesn't say anything about Alucard. What if at the end of the game Dracula will team up with Alucard to fight Satan. But then something unexpected might happen. Maybe they will do something similiar to Symphony of the Night. Remember, when Shaft controlled Richter? Well something similiar might happen to Alucard. Satan, being someone who likes to possess all kind of people throught history takes control of Alucard and tries fighting Dracula in the body of his beloved son. Would be pretty tragic if you ask me. Now, there's two possible ways of ending the game... the bad ending would occur if Dracula would fight Alucard and kill him and thus also kills Satan. Tragic, yet he saved the world once again. Of course similiar to what occured in SotN you didn't fight the true final Boss, thus the game ends a little bit earlier and you won't unlock the Boss Rush mode since you didn't fight all of the bosses in the game. :D And just like Spainkiller, it won't take you around 20 hours to complete the game. Remember, Cox said there would be a possibility to refight bosses and there's also supposed to be optional bosses? Plus this way Satan would be able to revive again pretty soon. Open end. :P

Now here's my theory for the good and true ending (that similiar to SotN would be the canon ending for the game and the series as a whole):
You can try finding a way to either prevent Satan from possessing Alucard or find a way to drive him out of Alucard without having to kill him. After that the true final Boss fight of the game would occur: against Satan in his black winged angel form and against his true form, the Leviathan.
Now in order to do that you would either have to find everything, complete a certain challenge or find a certain item that allows us to somehow free Alucard from Satan's influence. Said item might be guarded by a secret or optional boss (Dave told us that there would be at least one optional boss on a hidden path). So searching for and finding that optional area, clearing it and fighting the true final boss would enhance the game time to nearly 20 hours (or in the case of Spainkiller maybe to 17 hours).
I mean that leaked level list was pretty accurate. And it did mention the Leviathan at the end so I just doubt that the final battle is „just“ against Alucard. If it is, we cannot change that and need to find joy in the other bosses (like the Toy Maker, the Gorgon, Carmilla, the Acolytes etc.), but honestly I doubt that this will be the case and that MS might have done the same thing SotN did. Sure there won't be a whole new area to explore like a mirrored castle but there might be a true final boss leading to a good ending.
Finally Cox mentioned that one major boss/ character wouldn't be listed on the achievement list. And that one guy just might be Alucard.
What do you think about my theory?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 01, 2014, 08:48:48 AM
I wish Slit, I wish.
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Post by: Neobelmont on February 01, 2014, 02:13:36 PM
That commercial from the Castlevania wiki with a few new clips:
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 NEW GAMEPLAY TV Spot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXlNCErenmw#ws)

A commercial..... a freaking commercial. oh God ... Where's the U.S one? My wish is half true now  ;D

Edit:FOr all the things Los2 has going for it that was underwhelming


M. Bison "Yes Yes!" Widescreen HD reupload (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs#ws)




LoS2 ending = this

next gen Castlevania teaser trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LKuo1IBhNY#)


* Heavily modified to fit LoS universe *

NO GOD! PLEASE NO!!! NOOOOOOOOOO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc#)

NO Alucard please
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 01, 2014, 07:54:14 PM
Bonus for PC gamers? I'll accept MoF HD, ok?
Most likely... ever since Mirror of Fate HD released for Xbox 360/PS3, Cox has been very quiet on questions regarding the PC release (I even contributed, I got no response). It would be a generous motion since the consoles got the first Lords of Shadow 3 years before the PC version, also received the Castlevania bundle containing LoS, all of the DLC, and MoF HD which itself included the demo for LoS2. I myself would pay for it, but I presume that MoF didn't get that many sales overall and it would at least be played if it were included with LoS2.

Whether it's true or not, I dunno... Konami could also include MoF as a pre-purchase freebie for steam users much how I got XCOM: Enemy Unknown for free for pre-purchasing Bioshock infinite.
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Post by: Dremn on February 01, 2014, 10:37:37 PM
Something leak pleeeeaaaaaaase.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 02, 2014, 12:56:38 AM
Wait until Feb 27, then all leaks are gonna happen. hehe.
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Post by: Bergaron on February 02, 2014, 05:37:37 AM
Something leak pleeeeaaaaaaase.

Next Friday-Sunday you will have a lot of news, info and material.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 02, 2014, 06:45:19 AM
Next Friday-Sunday you will have a lot of news, info and material.
Review embargo?
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 02, 2014, 06:46:32 AM
All I want is the demo on Steam.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 02, 2014, 06:54:42 AM
All I want is the demo on Steam.

If what Bergaron says is true about new media this week, then the demo is definitly next week. Probably gonna hit on the 11th.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 02, 2014, 06:55:52 AM
Next Friday-Sunday you will have a lot of news, info and material.

 How you know it?  ;D
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Post by: Bergaron on February 02, 2014, 07:23:28 AM
Next castlevania-Konami
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPnrkbak6v8#t=146 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPnrkbak6v8#t=146)
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Post by: crisis on February 02, 2014, 07:35:45 AM
^that game is the unofficial Castlevania for GameGear that was never released lol
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 02, 2014, 07:52:49 AM
What do you guys think? How big will Death be compared to Gabriel?
Just as big as him or way, way bigger like Cornell in his werwofl form or even the Forgotten One?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage-upload.de%2Fimage%2FXFSfvt%2Fb2e474ee79.jpg&hash=da8315d81a07d4cf7ef33ec977d5bbe4)
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Post by: Maedhros on February 02, 2014, 08:04:24 AM
^that game is the unofficial Castlevania for GameGear that was never released lol
Seriously?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 02, 2014, 08:05:47 AM
^that game is the unofficial Castlevania for GameGear that was never released lol
Love the lead up to some of the bosses. The mood changes and suddenly shit gets real, and then the boss shows up in dramatic fashion. Love that!!
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Post by: crisis on February 02, 2014, 08:47:12 AM
Quote
Seriously?

lol what i meant was, had Konami decided to release a Castlevania for the GameGear back in the day, it probably would've looked like that game
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Post by: Maedhros on February 02, 2014, 08:56:38 AM
lol what i meant was, had Konami decided to release a Castlevania for the GameGear back in the day, it probably would've looked like that game

Oh. I see. I thought it really was a Castlevania game/spin-off changed to be a standalone game.

It's one of the best games inspired by Castlevania out there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 02, 2014, 09:14:18 AM
Next castlevania-Konami
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPnrkbak6v8#t=146 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPnrkbak6v8#t=146)

That game looks and plays fantastic! ;D

The only thing its lacking in is the music department, other than that it looks like a superb CV game to me.
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Post by: Flame on February 02, 2014, 03:20:07 PM
I found this

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fth03.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2FPRE%2Fi%2F2013%2F310%2Fd%2F3%2Fcastlevania__lords_of_shadow_2___alucard_by_elonir-d6t8c8r.jpg&hash=406c286c95990a4dddea65e74986701f)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 02, 2014, 04:15:05 PM
I found this too

http://elonir.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-God-Paladin-413515014 (http://elonir.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-God-Paladin-413515014)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 02, 2014, 05:12:25 PM
I found this too

http://elonir.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-God-Paladin-413515014 (http://elonir.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-God-Paladin-413515014)
Aren´t those fanmade?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 02, 2014, 05:23:23 PM
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/02/02/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-esrb-rating-has-nudity-and-violence-but-no-rape-controversy-in-sight/ (http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/02/02/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-esrb-rating-has-nudity-and-violence-but-no-rape-controversy-in-sight/)

A character gets a stake in the head.... a "her" specifically.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 02, 2014, 05:26:35 PM
Maybe Satan's daughter is killed like that
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 02, 2014, 05:59:13 PM
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/02/02/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-esrb-rating-has-nudity-and-violence-but-no-rape-controversy-in-sight/ (http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/02/02/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-esrb-rating-has-nudity-and-violence-but-no-rape-controversy-in-sight/)

A character gets a stake in the head.... a "her" specifically.

I'm thinking Carmilla.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 03, 2014, 03:14:07 AM
 Malphas's rare concept art from LoS1 (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs.cghub.com%2Ffiles%2FImage%2F145001-146000%2F145740%2F187_max.jpg&hash=c104b4f3288721460dba57214f8d75b0)

 I just love the aspect of this character.
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Post by: Dremn on February 03, 2014, 03:35:53 AM
That just makes me more excited for the artbook coming out. :D
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Post by: Flame on February 03, 2014, 10:13:07 AM
What do you guys think? How big will Death be compared to Gabriel?
Just as big as him or way, way bigger like Cornell in his werwofl form or even the Forgotten One?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage-upload.de%2Fimage%2FXFSfvt%2Fb2e474ee79.jpg&hash=da8315d81a07d4cf7ef33ec977d5bbe4)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs28.postimg.org%2Fmwuk9xbvf%2FDeath.gif&hash=eb70f63cde5317231c827033d6822003)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 03, 2014, 10:28:27 AM
he looks like a prunyuu~
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 03, 2014, 10:44:44 AM
Apparent new interview on youtube

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - Community Q&A with Dave Cox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj5QtdC-rmA#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 03, 2014, 10:45:28 AM
Spoiler?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 03, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
Well, nothing new, confirms that the skins and likely the relic pack will be available for sale later on as regular DLC, and that there will NOT be an unlockable Dave Cox skin, lol.

"No, I don't think so. I don't think players want to play with me, that's for sure."

And apparently there will be a few "funny" unlockables once you complete the game that he's keeping secret.

Now i'm curious.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 03, 2014, 03:18:26 PM
I found this too

http://elonir.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-God-Paladin-413515014 (http://elonir.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-God-Paladin-413515014)
I'm getting a total THIS vibe from that render:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fprincessofpavement.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F08%2Fbeetlejuice-beetlejuice-the-movie-1081504_848_477.jpg&hash=b47e6be36de7c911a2db5444076be5b8)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 03, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
I found this too

http://elonir.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-God-Paladin-413515014 (http://elonir.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-God-Paladin-413515014)

 I must said one thing: I would swear that the arcangel is in fact a black man (look the boss fight carefully).
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Post by: flyingchai on February 03, 2014, 05:20:06 PM
The paladin sounds like Colin McFarlane, who voiced The Forgotten One...
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Post by: Neobelmont on February 03, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
I must said one thing: I would cuss that the arcangel is in fact a black man (look the boss fight carefully).

ehh why would you cuss if it was a black man? Just curious
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 04, 2014, 04:55:50 AM
 Cause when hi is moving his swords previously fight againts Dracula (in the sequence), the reflection of his fire's sword shows that, behind the armor, there are a black skin (the lights effects of this game are fucking awesome)


 And sorry, looking now the dictionary, seems that cuss is "maldecir". I wanted to said swear, that is "juraría". I will edit to evoid more mistakes. Thanks
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 04, 2014, 05:08:59 AM
Not to crash the party, but you can see the paladin unmasked in different trailers.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 04, 2014, 05:21:21 AM
Not to crash the party, but you can see the paladin unmasked in different trailers.

 Put the links please. EDIT: ahaha, alright, I just see it: I don't know that the guy with the cross was the paladin. It's a pity, it would have been the first black character in LoS saga.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 04, 2014, 05:27:54 AM
http://www.redbull.com/us/en/games/stories/1331631548306/castlevania-whips-back-onto-consoles (http://www.redbull.com/us/en/games/stories/1331631548306/castlevania-whips-back-onto-consoles)

As we all know, gameplay is about 20 h, but apparently 30 h in other undisclosed game modes
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 04, 2014, 05:34:47 AM
French article, I'm translating what's new/interesting (source: http://www.xboxlive.fr/news_affiche_23269.html (http://www.xboxlive.fr/news_affiche_23269.html))

- Game's length is around 20h, around 30+h if you want to complete everything
- Alucard might be playable as DLC (Cox didn't say anything on that)
- Game is linear at the beginning, but becomes open-world after a few hours (it becomes more and more open when the player advances in the game). Cox compared the progression of LoS2 to the progression of a Zelda game.
- Only one ending.
- DLC are confirmed, but won't change the main story or the ending.
- No PS4/XBO port.
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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 05:38:29 AM
Alucard DLC sounds like it's definitely happening now.

20-30 hours sounds like a great length considering LoS1 took me 40 hours to finish.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 04, 2014, 06:02:18 AM

30 hours sounds awesome; be sure that will be even more hours to found all the secrets, improvements, etc.
 
That Alucard's DLC must be mine (I have never buy a DLC before).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 04, 2014, 08:21:11 AM
A trailer is supossed to be released this week right? As the prophet Bergaron said :p
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 04, 2014, 08:28:15 AM
A Victor Belmont DLC would be nice too
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 04, 2014, 08:46:07 AM
 I just see this trailer of the new Thief (next in my wish list) and I believe that Castlevania LoS 2 should make a trailer like this: whit a narrator explain things and long in length

 Thief - 101 Trailer (UK Trailer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS_SjXMCXLY#ws)
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 09:08:56 AM
A trailer is supossed to be released this week right? As the prophet Bergaron said :p

Either Thursday or Friday.

And a public demo next week, most likey on the 11th.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 04, 2014, 09:16:59 AM
The public demo will be the same one that comes with Mirror of Fate HD right?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 09:19:20 AM
The public demo will be the same one that comes with Mirror of Fate HD right?

Yep.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 04, 2014, 10:17:42 AM
Oh my fucking God. Jesus Christ. So, so, so awesome:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
Oh my fucking God. Jesus Christ. So, so, so awesome:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
Hype x999
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 10:39:36 AM
Oh my fucking God. Jesus Christ. So, so, so awesome:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)

Such a whimsical bossfight.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 04, 2014, 11:09:12 AM
i like how the hud isn't seen, i do hope you can toggle it on or off
having it off emerses you more into the game's world
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Post by: Asgardwolf on February 04, 2014, 11:18:12 AM
Oh my fucking God. Jesus Christ. So, so, so awesome:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
just epic... Wow.. what a boss battle...
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 04, 2014, 11:19:25 AM
Such a whimsical bossfight.

As a not English native Speaker is that a rather good or bad judge? :D
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
As a not English native Speaker is that a rather good or bad judge? :D

Good.
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Post by: crisis on February 04, 2014, 11:27:12 AM
that boss fight looked incredibly easy btw
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 11:32:47 AM
that boss fight looked incredibly easy btw

After surviving Ninja Gaiden Black on Master Ninja, all boss battles are easy to me, Demons/Dark Souls included.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 04, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
wow
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 12:05:31 PM
Oh my fucking God. Jesus Christ. So, so, so awesome:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/02/04/fighting-the-toy-maker-in-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
Wow, holy damn. I really need to find a way to play this game.

(click to show/hide)
that boss fight looked incredibly easy btw
Agreed, but good thing difficulty modes exist.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 04, 2014, 12:19:44 PM
Looks so gooooood!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 04, 2014, 12:57:01 PM
Interesting. So it looks like the Toymaker was also possessed when we saw him on his perch in Mirror of Fate. Anyone know who is doing the possessing? The Forgotten One?

Also, why no music in the video? I suppose they decided to leave it out for the vid along with the HUD.

And IGN also has some nice new art screens. Particularly the Toymaker's Puppets sheet was interesting. Is that Slogra and a stylized Drac?
http://www.ign.com/images/games/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-xbox-360-125916/52f1235ef4b4979a58123cb0 (http://www.ign.com/images/games/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-xbox-360-125916/52f1235ef4b4979a58123cb0)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 01:21:52 PM
I think that's Walter Bernhard, who casted the spell on him.

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/2014/02/04/teatromarionetasjpg-123cb0.jpg (http://assets1.ignimgs.com/2014/02/04/teatromarionetasjpg-123cb0.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 04, 2014, 01:32:19 PM
Bernhard, eh? That could be interesting. Whoever it is, it seems like they've been trying to usurp Drac as the Lord of the Castle for a long time.
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Post by: crisis on February 04, 2014, 01:39:58 PM
the red hair is characteristic of Walter's
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 01:43:34 PM
Whoever it is, he's dressed like Wind Waker Ganondorf.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 01:55:41 PM
Why not?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5523%2F12310467274_b2f6f37e7f_c.jpg&hash=4478a94ea06d9b12b11aecc22785b549)

Look at the fabric patterns.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 04, 2014, 02:26:59 PM
The combat looks extraordinarily fluid, far unlike the combat in LoS.

EDIT: I also felt bad for the Toymaker at the end of that video :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
Why not?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5523%2F12310467274_b2f6f37e7f_c.jpg&hash=4478a94ea06d9b12b11aecc22785b549)

Look at the fabric patterns.
Nice catch, that's a neat nod to the old canon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 04, 2014, 02:52:22 PM
Haha oh wow. Well it was only a matter of time till Walter showed up one way or another, considering the Bernhards were namedropped in LoS1

also, dat fight.

So, the kid puppet is Trevor, the Dragon is Dracula, the Toymaker is obvious, and the redhead is likely Walter Bernhard.

So who's the other puppet with the hat supposed to be I wonder?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 04, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Yeah this looks nice. Also another detail. Look at the structure of that huge Tentacle that pushes th Toy Maker into the pool of blood. It has the exact same strucutre of flesh and form as this "Legion" monster. Maybe I'll make a screenshot. Anyways, I guess it is confirmed that this Monster is the personification of blood. ;)

Theory time: Blood is red. As is the hair of Walter Bernhard. Maybe the curse of the Castle, the blood, the monster that controls the castle is noone else than good ol' Bernhard himself. And near the end of the game he reveals himself as the "blood Monster."   
Also Bernhard cursed the Toy Maker. After his curse was lifted as seen in the Video and the Toy Maker being human again he is cursed by the blood again. Another sign, that this might be Walter Bernhard?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 02:56:31 PM
So im hearing this game got a 6 from Gameinformer. :o

For comparison, LOS1 got a 9 and MoF got a 8/75.
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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 03:01:09 PM
So im hearing this game got a 6 from Gameinformer. :o

For comparison, LOS1 got a 9 and MoF got a 8/75.
Ouch.

I hope this game doesn't end up disappointing, everything about it looks so much more promising than LoS1 did.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 03:03:43 PM
Ouch.

I hope this game doesn't end up disappointing, everything about it looks so much more promising than LoS1 did.

Here's are his reasoning's:

•Claims nearly every attempt this game makes to "stray from its fundamental kill room formula ends in failure".
•Reviewer loved the first game, said "Unfortunately this sequel is as fresh as a whiff of garlic breath".
•Good new combat mechanics but enemies stun locking you out of combos from across the map while you fight with the camera.
•Reviewer hates the modern setting, its filled with generic alley ways, factory levels.
•Says there was one stealth segment that was the worst of its class. The more traditional Castlevania settings are better.
•Says there is one great level with the toy maker, outside of that most of the game is just ground previously covered in the first game.
•"This shambling monstrosity is composed of chunks from other, better games"


Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 04, 2014, 03:05:58 PM
i preordered the game today

i might have to take off work on the 25th
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 03:08:10 PM
•"This shambling monstrosity is composed of chunks from other, better games"
So it's like the first game? :P

Those other complaints range from reasonable to whiny from the sound of it.

However, Mirror of Fate scoring higher? I thought everyone and their mothers hated MoF with a burning passion. (I loved it though. :()
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 03:09:30 PM
So it's like the first game? :P

Those other complaints range from reasonable to whiny from the sound of it.

Looking at the other reviews from the new issue, this issue is nuts.

And yes, everyone hated MoF, even some LOS1 fans.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 04, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
Here's are his reasoning's:

•Claims nearly every attempt this game makes to "stray from its fundamental kill room formula ends in failure".
•Reviewer loved the first game, said "Unfortunately this sequel is as fresh as a whiff of garlic breath".
•Good new combat mechanics but enemies stun locking you out of combos from across the map while you fight with the camera.
•Reviewer hates the modern setting, its filled with generic alley ways, factory levels.
•Says there was one stealth segment that was the worst of its class. The more traditional Castlevania settings are better.
•Says there is one great level with the toy maker, outside of that most of the game is just ground previously covered in the first game.
•"This shambling monstrosity is composed of chunks from other, better games"
TL;DR, NOT MUH CASTLEVANIA, NOT MUH LORDS OF SHADOW 1, NOT MUH MEDIEVAL SETTING

EDIT: Someone seriously needs to ask Cox if PC will get a physical release, particularly over here in the US. i dont have a twitter, or i'd ask myself
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 03:12:23 PM
Well at least DKC:TF got a 9 (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fmanny.png&hash=6bc82c2a89a1ae26de18eaad927d0c6f)

Every game more or less got shitted on cept that one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 04, 2014, 03:18:51 PM
some people loved Superman Returns but hated Man of Steel.. i dunno how that's possible but to each their own
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 03:19:46 PM
This is fishy. They say that the review is half page long, you just can't review a 20+hours long game in half a page. I'm smelling another "I played 2 hours" situation.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 03:21:42 PM
This is fishy. They say that the review is half page long, you just can't review a 20+hours long game in half a page. I'm smelling another "I played 2 hours" situation.

Probably got stuck on that stealth section with the minotaur just like Spainkiller and called it quits. He DID say that a stealth section in the game was the worst of it's class.

Now im eager to see how this section plays off.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
Could just be a situation of you either love it or hate it because it's different, just like LoS1.

I mean, they called this game a "shambling monstrosity" and gave it a 6? That's pretty generous for something that's apparently not of this good earth.
some people loved Superman Returns but hated Man of Steel.. i dunno how that's possible but to each their own
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Post by: Rugal on February 04, 2014, 03:24:07 PM
lol factory levels.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 04, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
he probably played it the same way IGN played Sonic unleashed

How IGN played Sonic Unleashed? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW4TpBCc20Q#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
Probably got stuck on that stealth section with the minotaur just like Spainkiller and called it quits. He DID say that a stealth section in the game was the worst of it's class.
Now im eager to see how this section plays off.
How about we pray for some Day one patch.
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Post by: e105beta on February 04, 2014, 03:32:19 PM
However, Mirror of Fate scoring higher? I thought everyone and their mothers hated MoF with a burning passion. (I loved it though. :()

OMG I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.

Seriously though, GameInformer gave Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn a 7 and a 5.5 because "TOO HARD WAH WAH WAH"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 03:33:36 PM
How about we pray for some Day one patch.

A skip option like the one they had for the vampire chess game would help.

OMG I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.

Seriously though, GameInformer gave Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn a 7 and a 5.5 because "TOO HARD WAH WAH WAH"

Let's not forget their quality review for Paper Mario: TTYD

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6.75
"Lisa and I both knew that our Paper Mario scores were going to cause controversy. Yes, we know that many people out there will love it. We also know that it is a well-made game. However, it also WILL NOT appeal to many people - I would safely say that more people will dislike it than like it. Why? Like we said in the review, it's a very kiddie game - it's target audience is clearly young gamers - I would say 10 and under. For that reason, we had to score it low. Remember, we aren't scoring games strictly on our personal opinions, we're also scoring them based on how much we think THE GAMING PUBLIC will like them."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 03:35:59 PM
OMG I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.
Mirror of Fate is the whole reason I'm still on board with the LoS series, it did pretty much everything I was hoping for and more for the new canon lore. It established the Belmont clan, gave us Dracula, but ultimately I finally had a portable Castlevania game on my 3DS. That's really the one thing I wanted more than any other game for my 3DS was a new Castlevania.

Plus it gave us some amazing designs for the Belmonts, ones I might like more than the original canon's designs. I will never stop praising Mercury Steam's artists.

The jumping was super clunky and some bosses were kinda w/e, but it was a much better game than I thought it would be.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 03:40:58 PM
Oh enric, if this game is bad... let's just say that my this year's trip to Madrid will be.. on fire.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 03:46:29 PM
I know this game can't be THAT bad, not expecting 10's or anything but a 6? And a lower score than MoF at that?

The only real negative I see is how the stealth segments are implemented and the camera controls, everything else sounds like he's ranting rather than reviewing.


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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 03:46:56 PM
Wait, how did Lightning Returns score higher than LoS2?

Ok I'm calling some serious bullshit now, that game looks like complete ass. The whole Lightning saga is awful.
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Post by: Rugal on February 04, 2014, 03:47:30 PM
How about you pray for a good game? This game is shaping up to be decent at the very best. This is what usually happens when games are hyped up and fail to live up to expectations.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
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How about you pray for a good game? This game is shaping up to be decent at the very best. This is what usually happens when games are hyped up and fail to live up to expectations.
This game just can't possibly be WORST than both LoS and MoF. If it is, MercurySteam can kiss their bussiness goodbye.
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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 03:51:07 PM
This game just can't possibly be WORST than both LoS and MoF. If it is, MercurySteam can kiss their bussiness goodbye.
That's clearly not going to happen since their Contra project was probably already greenlit. If LoS2 does tank they have one more card up their sleeve.
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Post by: Flame on February 04, 2014, 03:51:49 PM
Wait, how did Lightning Returns score higher than LoS2?

Ok I'm calling some serious bullshit now, that game looks like complete ass. The whole Lightning saga is awful.
Lightning Returns is actually pretty fun, believe it or not. The new combat system is nifty.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 03:54:41 PM
Lightning Returns is actually pretty fun, believe it or not. The new combat system is nifty.

The game is actually not that bad, im just sick of SE shoving Lightning down our throats and telling us "She's your goddess, LOVE HER!"
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Post by: e105beta on February 04, 2014, 03:54:58 PM
Let's not forget their quality review for Paper Mario: TTYD
Quote from: GameInformer
6.75
"Lisa and I both knew that our Paper Mario scores were going to cause controversy. Yes, we know that many people out there will love it. We also know that it is a well-made game. However, it also WILL NOT appeal to many people - I would safely say that more people will dislike it than like it. Why? Like we said in the review, it's a very kiddie game - it's target audience is clearly young gamers - I would say 10 and under. For that reason, we had to score it low. Remember, we aren't scoring games strictly on our personal opinions, we're also scoring them based on how much we think THE GAMING PUBLIC will like them."

I can barely comprehend the irony in that statement, if just based on the fact that my 12 year old sister, who had never played an RPG in her life, loved Paper Mario 64 but couldn't get into Paper Mario TTYD based on the fact that it was too wordy and harder to follow.

They're have no idea what they are doing over there.

Mirror of Fate is the whole reason I'm still on board with the LoS series, it did pretty much everything I was hoping for and more for the new canon lore. It established the Belmont clan, gave us Dracula, but ultimately I finally had a portable Castlevania game on my 3DS. That's really the one thing I wanted more than any other game for my 3DS was a new Castlevania.

Plus it gave us some amazing designs for the Belmonts, ones I might like more than the original canon's designs. I will never stop praising Mercury Steam's artists.

The jumping was super clunky and some bosses were kinda w/e, but it was a much better game than I thought it would be.

Ditto ditto and ditto.

In addition to that, I thought it provided a nice, serious, atmospheric take on a classic formula with some bitchin' art direction. Plus, I'm a sucker for the whole father -> son -> grandson le tragic backstory angst.

The game is actually not that bad, im just sick of SE shoving Lightning down our throats and telling us "She's your goddess, LOVE HER!"

She's so booooring
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 03:55:37 PM
That's clearly not going to happen since their Contra project was probably already greenlit. If LoS2 does tank they have one more card up their sleeve.
Sales will dictate that. If they plummet (and if the game is bad, they will) they could just scrap the game. They did it witha  contra once, they can do it again.

In sadder news, our series is going to get Metroid'ed :( Again. This time for the wrong reasons.
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Post by: Bergaron on February 04, 2014, 03:56:53 PM
This review comes to us right now Konami will be forced to get more information. Regarding the review .. judge for yourselves, after the first I would not believe me nothing, take 6 months to play first for believing me three or four reviews of funboys .. after I played LOS1 and think of me (for my personal taste) of the top 5 games of the older generation. Above many games 9.5 / 10 rated ..

I really do not like FIFA, Sims, Fighting Game, and shotter. If you put them tubiera note would put them 4-7 at the best. Because I do anything fun.

To taste the colors there. Try it yourself and judge.

By the way the game is difficult is a problem? Dark Soul then they put a 2/10 no?

PD is not too difficult, just as said a thousand times, is not hitting buttons, you have to use your head and that some do not know.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 04, 2014, 04:04:04 PM
Wait, how did Lightning Returns score higher than LoS2?

Ok I'm calling some serious bullshit now, that game looks like complete ass. The whole Lightning saga is awful.
AND they said Lighting Returns is the WORST of the trilogy. To rank the worst of a trilogy of shit(the worst being the most rancid, stinking, slimy turd of the turd pile, hyperbole aside, they DID say it was below FFXIII and FFXIII-2, both that weren't that good to begin with) above LoS2 is kinda insulting.

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The game is actually not that bad, im just sick of SE shoving Lightning down our throats and telling us "She's your goddess, LOVE HER!"
Toriyama's mad obsession with her. He wants EVERYBODY to be as enthralled with her character as he is! "She is the ideal waifu! Strong, determined, yet gentle... like a rose!". Yeah, anybody remember that presentation? He brought out a rose and described how alike it is to Lighting? LOL!
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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
In sadder news, our series is going to get Metroid'ed :( Again. This time for the wrong reasons.
What does this mean? Other M'd or just no games?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 04:06:06 PM
Regardless of score, im still gonna play it. I've played games that scored lower than a 6 and had fun with those than games that scored 9's and 10's.

My hypetrain stops for no number!

(Know what, fuck it, that's my new sig.)
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Post by: Flame on February 04, 2014, 04:06:54 PM
AND they said Lighting Returns is the WORST of the trilogy. To rank the worst of a trilogy of shit(the worst being the most rancid, stinking, slimy turd of the turd pile) above LoS2 is kinda insulting.
I've heard the opposite, that LR is the BEST of the 3 13 games. I'd believe it.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 04:08:54 PM
What does this mean? Other M'd or just no games?
Forgotten, no sales, no games  :(
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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 04:10:28 PM
Forgotten, no sales, no games  :(
I think everyone predicted that future whether LoS2 did well or not, Konami doesn't know how to handle any of their good IPs lately that are not Metal Gear Solid.

Castlevania deserves a rest.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 04:11:39 PM
Castlevania deserves a rest.

Not before we get that Alucard DLC.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 04, 2014, 04:12:23 PM
I've heard the opposite, that LR is the BEST of the 3 13 games. I'd believe it.
I'm just saying that Game Informer said it was the worst.

Personally, I think I like the battle system more(more action based), but what they said in the article(as I read a summery of), is that there's a slew of fetch quests. I'm really not that into fetch quests(they are like, some of the WORST aspects of RPGs, be them JRPGs or WRPGs).

Forgotten, no sales, no games  :(
Into the vault with you! Go keep Goemon and the Hudson crew company!!!! *vault door slams*
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 04:12:54 PM
Not before we get that Alucard DLC.
I agree.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 04, 2014, 04:14:57 PM
I agree.

Castlevania doesn't need a rest. It needs a good developer.
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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 04:15:11 PM
Not before we get that Alucard DLC.
I'm pretty sure we'll get that anyway.

When Castlevania returns, I'd like to hope we see 2DVania make a comeback in some form. To me, Castlevania at it's heart has and always will be a 2D series.

With this renaissance of promising side scroller games on Kickstarter like La-Mulana 2, Shovel Knight, and Mighty No .9, this would be a ripe time to bring back 2DVania.
Into the vault with you! Go keep Goemon and the Hudson crew company!!!! *vault door slams*
Goemon, Bomberman, Sparkster...yea... ;__;
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 04:17:17 PM
Castlevania doesn't need a rest. It needs a good developer.
Konami wil relegate it to a Silent Hill fate, rolling from c-tier developer to z-tier developer with eac new iteration. I don't want that, I'd rather let it go. Then come back in 20 years or something with a bang. Or not.
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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 04:21:05 PM
Worst case scenario, Castlevania MOBA/F2P.

That would be the absolute death of the series.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 04:24:19 PM
Or Castlevania get's demoted to iPhone's with microtransactions up the ass.

Which is sadly a possiblilty. :(
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Post by: e105beta on February 04, 2014, 04:25:43 PM
OK guys, GameInformer didn't like it. Don't start doomsaying already.

I mean, none of the other LoS games were controversial.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 04:26:07 PM
Or Castlevania get's demoted to iPhone's with microtransactions up the ass.

Which is sadly a possiblilty. :(
So dead, then. oh, my heart.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 04, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
OK guys, GameInformer didn't like it. Don't start doomsaying already.

I mean, none of the other LoS games were controversial.
Yeah, let's see what other sites/magazines think of it. Majority of reviews aren't always high. Sometimes you get some scores that are inconsistent with the rest.
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Post by: Flame on February 04, 2014, 04:28:43 PM
I'm just saying that Game Informer said it was the worst.

Personally, I think I like the battle system more(more action based), but what they said in the article(as I read a summery of), is that there's a slew of fetch quests. I'm really not that into fetch quests(they are like, some of the WORST aspects of RPGs, be them JRPGs or WRPGs).
 Into the vault with you! Go keep Goemon and the Hudson crew company!!!! *vault door slams*
In all honesty, I never pay attention to game journalism.

modern day gaming journalism, including reviews, suck.
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Post by: KaZudra on February 04, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
OK guys, GameInformer didn't like it. Don't start doomsaying already.

I mean, none of the other LoS games were controversial.

Game Informer holds half Credibility, most of thier perfect reviews obviously shows that they are paid half of the time, but they gave Mirror of Fate 8.5
If you browse through the 9+ reviews you'll spot alot of shitty games on that list.
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Post by: e105beta on February 04, 2014, 05:14:34 PM
Game Informer holds half Credibility, most of thier perfect reviews obviously shows that they are paid half of the time, but they gave Mirror of Fate 8.5
If you browse through the 9+ reviews you'll spot alot of shitty games on that list.

Yeah, like I said earlier, they lost all credibility with me when they gave Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn a 5.5
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 05:16:24 PM
I can't take this. More reviews, like right now!
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Post by: Maedhros on February 04, 2014, 05:23:25 PM
I can't take this. More reviews, like right now!
I'm half wanting to see bad reviews just to see you imploding. :P

If I wasn't banned for offense on GAF for calling someone dense, I would having fun with you and Bedlam. :D

I wouldn't take scores so seriously. Or neogaf opinions about a game seriously too. The internet is full of negativism, I trust no one.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 05:37:12 PM
Oh, my dear mahedros, I'm going to have fun, one way or another, you don't have idea. If they screwed the game you'll see me badmouthing this with he same fiercity I've been standing for it.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 04, 2014, 05:40:50 PM
And dat fight with toy maker looks fantastic. Maybe the stealth sections are SO SHITTY that it made the reviewer give the game a low score.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 05:44:37 PM
Maybe the stealth sections are SO SHITTY that it made the reviewer give the game a low score.

That's what I assume.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 05:46:02 PM
Ending super super SUPER spoiler
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Post by: crisis on February 04, 2014, 06:07:19 PM
how is that a super super SUPER spoiler, that's common knowledge around here  :P
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 06:09:14 PM
how is that a super super SUPER spoiler, that's common knowledge around here  :P
I think we were all holding out hope.
More post game spoilers:
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Post by: Kingshango on February 04, 2014, 06:10:19 PM
Ending super super SUPER spoiler
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Really, im hearing otherwise.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
Really, im hearing otherwise.
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Post by: crisis on February 04, 2014, 06:21:58 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 04, 2014, 06:23:20 PM
Any differences on New Game +?
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on February 04, 2014, 06:51:05 PM
Any differences on New Game +?
that's hard to say. my guess is that you are weakened by to starting strength and keep most of your stuff, but some stuff like key items relevant to the story are taken. that's the way it's usually done in my experience. or, they it could be like in dark souls were you start as you were at the end of the game, but the enemies have more health and have higher attack and higher defense.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 04, 2014, 06:56:28 PM
Just messing around with Windows Movie Maker, I edited in some DoS songs into the music-less Toy Maker boss fight. Say what you will, I think it fit pretty well, despite not being orchestrated, "epic" and movie-like.

Movie 0003 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXAMAKsnsjY#ws)

For some reason, the beginning audio's a bit derpy when I save in the highest quality AVI. It corrects itself, though.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
Just messing around with Windows Movie Maker, I edited in some DoS songs into the music-less Toy Maker boss fight. Say what you will, I think it fit pretty well, despite not being orchestrated, "epic" and movie-like.
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For some reason, the beginning audio's a bit derpy when I save in the highest quality AVI. It corrects itself, though.
In fact, I think the reason why they cut the music is because it features an old remix. I'm also looking forward for the inevitable Bloody Tears redux on Carmilla's fight :P
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Post by: EstebanT on February 04, 2014, 07:54:24 PM
In fact, I think the reason why they cut the music is because it features an old remix. I'm also looking forward for the inevitable Bloody Tears redux on Carmilla's fight :P

When videos of MoF started appearing they also had no music.
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Post by: Flame on February 04, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
In fact, I think the reason why they cut the music is because it features an old remix. I'm also looking forward for the inevitable Bloody Tears redux on Carmilla's fight :P
I wouldnt give them that much credit. Didnt they say LoS2 would have no remixes?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 04, 2014, 08:00:41 PM
I wouldnt give them that much credit. Didnt they say LoS2 would have no remixes?
Sucks. I mean, it's Bloody Tears, I forgave them last time, but with Carmilla again it's almost unforgivable.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 04, 2014, 08:26:55 PM
Sucks. I mean, it's Bloody Tears, I forgave them last time, but with Carmilla again it's almost unforgivable.

They got lazy or they wanted to establish a character theme song.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 04, 2014, 08:44:29 PM
They got lazy or they wanted to establish a character theme song.
A character theme song with no character.... ;)

Dammit Konami, just buckle down and let MS remix some classic songs. Fuck the whole, "That are too feminine!" bullshit!
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Post by: EstebanT on February 04, 2014, 08:47:28 PM
I wouldnt give them that much credit. Didnt they say LoS2 would have no remixes?

In the Abbey Road video Cox says old tracks will be a thing
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Post by: e105beta on February 04, 2014, 09:26:50 PM
A character theme song with no character.... ;)

Dammit Konami, just buckle down and let MS remix some classic songs. Fuck the whole, "That are too feminine!" bullshit!

Even if we went with the assumption that the LoS2 soundtrack is shite, Dracula's theme is like the one good song.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 04, 2014, 09:42:25 PM
Even if we went with the assumption that the LoS2 soundtrack is shite, Dracula's theme is like the one good song.
Dracula's Theme has a classical sound to it(I'd say it's universal, given that it fits in LoS's games, but could very well fit in the classic games too). Hell, you could put it into a Dracula movie(or even a horror movie) and the song would fit in well.
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Post by: Munchy on February 04, 2014, 09:52:20 PM
I think everyone predicted that future whether LoS2 did well or not, Konami doesn't know how to handle any of their good IPs lately that are not Metal Gear Solid.


Konami just doesn't know what to do at all without Kojima leading them by the nose, really.

I don't necessarily discount reviews (because they're just opinions at the end of the day), but it seems extremely strange to me that someone could love the first game but hate this one. Especially knocking LoS2 for being a patchwork of other games, because, uh, isn't that exactly what the first one was?
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Post by: Dremn on February 04, 2014, 10:48:51 PM
Even if we went with the assumption that the LoS2 soundtrack is shite, Dracula's theme is like the one good song.
I'm a big fan of that theme and "The Throne Room" as well. I think LoS2's music will end up having the best music out of the three games.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 04, 2014, 11:15:08 PM
In the latest French interview I read, COx said there'll be remixes of old tunes. But I think we should expect tiny nods like in LoS1 rather than full remixes.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 05, 2014, 02:40:48 AM
 A article about a expo of Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 manage by Konami. They have show artworks and storyboards. The article is in french, if someone could translate it... Thanks  :P

 http://www.goldengeek.net/compte-rendu-exposition-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/ (http://www.goldengeek.net/compte-rendu-exposition-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/)

 Another link with the same expo, but with more photos (some of then really funny xD)

 http://www.gamalive.com/actus/19485-exposition-castlevania-dernier-bar-avant-la-fin-du-monde-konami.htm (http://www.gamalive.com/actus/19485-exposition-castlevania-dernier-bar-avant-la-fin-du-monde-konami.htm)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 05, 2014, 03:05:59 AM
Let me do it. ;) The expo is in Paris, maybe I'll go if I have the time (as Paris is 300kms from where I live).

The statue of Gabriel was at the entrance.

They are presenting (on 2 floors) artwoks and sketches. Dave Cox was there and answered questions.

Not much stuff to say about it.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 05, 2014, 04:40:57 AM
Let me do it. ;) The expo is in Paris, maybe I'll go if I have the time (as Paris is 300kms from where I live).

The statue of Gabriel was at the entrance.

They are presenting (on 2 floors) artwoks and sketches. Dave Cox was there and answered questions.

Not much stuff to say about it.

 Make photos and question and share it with us. Really envy you live so near  :P.
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Post by: thernz on February 05, 2014, 05:32:58 AM
i want to sit on statue dracula's lap
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 05, 2014, 06:16:28 AM
Cox will cease to control his twitter acount and will hand it over to konnami on february 14th :o. He tweeted that himself.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 05, 2014, 06:35:44 AM
Cox will cease to control his twitter acount and will hand it over to konnami on february 14th :o. He tweeted that himself.

Why should he do that though?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 05, 2014, 06:45:13 AM
Cox will cease to control his twitter acount and will hand it over to konnami on february 14th :o. He tweeted that himself.
For what reason? He's still an employee at Konami. Unless he gave out too much information via tweets.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 05, 2014, 07:06:00 AM
His Twitter moniker is @CastlevaniaLOS. As the projects are done, he's giving them back the name.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 05, 2014, 07:22:16 AM
He'll be back in June with a new Twitter handle.

I can  see it now, @Contra(insert subname here).
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 05, 2014, 08:05:08 AM
He'll be back in June with a new Twitter handle.

I can  see it now, @Contra(insert subname here).

 All the votes bet it. New fucking awesome reboot of Contra (I wait that the new characters have the tough guy's appearance of the first Contra).
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 05, 2014, 08:05:53 AM
A character theme song with no character.... ;)
Eeh.. Carmilla had the best tracks in LoS1.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 05, 2014, 08:42:37 AM
Eeh.. Carmilla had the best tracks in LoS1.
Plus it contained nods to "Black Night" from CV1.
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Post by: Anglachel on February 05, 2014, 09:10:59 AM
I'm not worrying too much about the Gameinformer review, for one reason: the same thing happened with the first Lords of Shadow. Some liked it, some didn't. Plus, I've seen plenty of other reviewers (who played the game's early hours) say that they had a blast playing and are excited for the full adventure.

Also, I have the feeling the reviewer was being dishonest when he said that he liked the first Lords of Shadow. I feel like maybe he said that to have some (fake) credibility?
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 05, 2014, 09:36:55 AM
I still wonder. Was it really the same guy who reviewed LoS 1 and MoF or was it a different reviewer? Because if it is a different reviewer... well it's somewhat udnerstandable that the review might be different.

Anyways, Spainkiller is going to give LoS 2 an 8. See that's a fair score. I seriously expect most Reviews to be between 7.5 and 9 with a few exceptions having either a score below 7.5 or above 9 (Rely on Horror might once again give a 10 as the guy who's reviewing it is LOVING it so far, we write on facebook).
Heh, would be funny if IGn will give this game a better score than GI gave. Maybe an 8?

Also expect a terrible score from that woman who descirbed that feeding Scene as a rape allusion/ metaphor. Though I sincerely hope that after all the controversial they are going to let someone else review the game. 
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Post by: Anglachel on February 05, 2014, 09:43:08 AM
I also think it might follow suit with the first Lords of Shadow, in the sense that the gaming community will love it but a minority of journalists/fanboys will scathe it.

I wonder what good ol' Colin Moriarty will say about Lords of Shadow 2. Although he detested Mirror of Fate, he did commend the first game (even saying it's underrated as a Castlevania game) and seems very enthusiastic about the second.
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Post by: shelverton. on February 05, 2014, 09:44:27 AM
What if, God forbid, the reviewer played through the game and felt it didn't deserve more than a 6/10? Why are people coming with all kinds of explanations for this when it doesn't have to be more complicated than that? He/she just didn't love it. Simple as that.  Some of you have already made your mind up that this will be a 9/10 and you will probably not change your mind when you play it. Good for you! Same with those of you who hates everything about LoS. You've already made your mind up too that this is gonna suck. At least this person has, you know, played the game. Reviews are what the are. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean that there must be something wrong, or that the reviewer didn't play more than two hours. Ok, end of rant. I just see this kind of critique aimed towards reviewers all the time. It's sooo ignorant.
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Post by: beingthehero on February 05, 2014, 09:50:07 AM
Also, I have the feeling the reviewer was being dishonest when he said that he liked the first Lords of Shadow. I feel like maybe he said that to have some (fake) credibility?

HOW DEEP DOES THE CONSPIRACY GO?!?
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Post by: Anglachel on February 05, 2014, 09:55:41 AM
HOW DEEP DOES THE CONSPIRACY GO?!?

Please forgive me. In hindsight, that isn't the best analysis I could have given.
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Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 10:58:38 AM
What if, God forbid, the reviewer played through the game and felt it didn't deserve more than a 6/10? Why are people coming with all kinds of explanations for this when it doesn't have to be more complicated than that? He/she just didn't love it. Simple as that.  Some of you have already made your mind up that this will be a 9/10 and you will probably not change your mind when you play it. Good for you! Same with those of you who hates everything about LoS. You've already made your mind up too that this is gonna suck. At least this person has, you know, played the game. Reviews are what the are. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean that there must be something wrong, or that the reviewer didn't play more than two hours. Ok, end of rant. I just see this kind of critique aimed towards reviewers all the time. It's sooo ignorant.

I don't think it's fair to pull out the "reviews are just an opinion" card when talking about pre-release professional viewers, because their opinions are published for the sole purpose of allowing buyers to make more educated decisions about buying a product. Nobody really wants their opinion, they want to know if the game is good enough to buy, so yeah, a review is going to come under greater scrutiny than somebody's blog or someone's opinion on a forum.

In this case, the points made either:
A. Don't add up
B. Sound whiny

For example, LoS1 was "an awesome 3D Castlevania [made] by ripping off awesome games and infusing its signature style" but LoS2 is a "shambling monstrosity is composed of chunks from other, better games"

Or

He "says there is one great level with the toy maker, outside of that most of the game is just ground previously covered in the first game" which sounds incredibly whiny considering this is a Castlevania game is obviously going to take place in Castlevania, which was a setting in the first game. It's lines like that that make me think "What exactly were you expecting?" It's like the IGN review that came knocking on LoS1 for not being more like SotN. It wasn't a stupid review because it didn't give LoS a 9/10, it was stupid because it was deriding what the game wasn't, rather than critiquing what it was.

I'm positive that the stealth section is going to be dumb and stupid and is going to make everyone want to get it done as fast as possible so they can get back to the actual game, but a 6/10 is a BAD score, and there's nothing in the review blurb that justifies a 6/10
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Post by: Anglachel on February 05, 2014, 11:01:10 AM
What I really wanted to say was that I don't think that anyone who is looking forward to Lords of Shadow 2 should be worried by one reviewer who has given it a bad score, when plenty of other previewers have said they enjoyed it.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 05, 2014, 11:09:34 AM
What I really wanted to say was that I don't think that anyone who is looking forward to Lords of Shadow 2 should be worried by one reviewer who has given it a bad score, when plenty of other previewers have said they enjoyed it.
I am worried because this game depends on more than us fans to be succesful, and the fate of the series is at hand.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 05, 2014, 11:12:54 AM
From what I've been hearing, Gameinformer isn't the only one unhappy about LOS2.

Next few weeks are gonna get ugly folks.(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Flupe1.png&hash=50a3fcbb7f7aeccb6e3331747e07dbc2)
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Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
From what I've been hearing, Gameinformer isn't the only one unhappy about LOS2.

Next few weeks are gonna get ugly folks.(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Flupe1.png&hash=50a3fcbb7f7aeccb6e3331747e07dbc2)

Ooh, juicy details. Source?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 05, 2014, 11:18:00 AM
Ooh, juicy details. Source?

VideoGamer UK Podcast: Metal Gear Solid, Bravely Default and Free-To-Play Exploitation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9tiITRkV2I#ws)

About 8 minutes in, they can't say much due to embargo but you can hear the disappointment in their voices. By the looks of it, that 8 from Spainkiller might end up being the highest score this game gets. :(
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 05, 2014, 11:34:44 AM
Nope Rely on Horror will give this game at least a 9. Also some German sites and German magazines seem to be pretty positive about the game as well.
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Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
Ugh, the pre-controversy controversy is killing me
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 05, 2014, 11:56:04 AM
Ugh, the pre-controversy controversy is killing me

Yeah me as well. I mean, what we saw of the game up to now was very good.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 05, 2014, 12:02:20 PM
Yeah me as well. I mean, what we saw of the game up to now was very good.

This is why I stay extremely cautious about press previews these days. All of them end up strikingly positive and full of hype with little to no negativity but when the game comes out all of the reviews tell a different tale from what was written a month ago.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 05, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
This is why I stay extremely cautious about press previews these days. All of them end up strikingly positive and full of hype with little to no negativity but when the game comes out all of the reviews tell a different tale from what was written a month ago.

Well I didn't mean the previews necessarily but more the footage we saw. For example the Toy Maker Boss. Sure it is just one Boss, but why should the rest of the game drop in Quality if this Boss is pretty well designed.
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Post by: crisis on February 05, 2014, 12:07:13 PM
well maybe the game actually does suck. lol or at best, just slightly better than LoS1 gameplay-wise

i told you guys a while ago: don't get your hopes too high and then watch them gradually fade once the game is released because it didn't turn out like you expected. the old "bait 'n switch" routine. it could be a glitchy mess for all we know

however for me? i think i'm still gonna enjoy it because i don't take it as seriously as most other people. i love action/platformer games and los2 is right up my alley. will there be aspects about it that annoy me? sure, just like there was in the first los. but i still liked it and don't regret buying it.

i dont think this game is "make or break" for castlevania at all. look at judgment; they could've easily put the series on hiatus after that flop but they didn't. CV will live on and if the leaks are true that the next stage in the CV saga is already in the works then i dunno why everyone's so worried about castlevania being "put to rest" if los2 flops
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 05, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
well maybe the game actually does suck. lol or at best, just slightly better than LoS1 gameplay-wise

i told you guys a while ago: don't get your hopes too high and then watch them gradually fade once the game is released because it didn't turn out like you expected. the old "bait 'n switch" routine. it could be a glitchy mess for all we know

however for me? i think i'm still gonna enjoy it because i don't take it as seriously as most other people. i love action/platformer games and los2 is right up my alley. will there be aspects about it that annoy me? sure, just like there was in the first los. but i still liked it and don't regret buying it.

i dont think this game is "make or break" for castlevania at all. look at judgment; they could've easily put the series on hiatus after that flop but they didn't. CV will live on and if the leaks are true that the next stage in the CV saga is already in the works then i dunno why everyone's so worried about castlevania being "put to rest" if los2 flops

Indeed and as Long as I myself enjoy the game and have fun with it and as Long as the series lives on everything is good.

Though I hope the series won't go back to heavy Anime style like Judgement... because that was just too much Anime. SotN as good, but not the Anime in Judgement. Urgh..
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 05, 2014, 12:12:52 PM
As always it wouldn't be surprising if the game is more liked in Europe and S.A than the US. That's how it's always been with CV, see why Us didn't get a collector's edition.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 05, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
Well I see why people are afraid.... Old series don't sell... It gets rebooted and they also don't sell.... Who's gonna pay for the games to keep being made?
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Post by: Dremn on February 05, 2014, 12:40:28 PM
So it sounds like instead of Titans being the weak-point of the game, the stealth sections will take that mantle this time.
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Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
So it sounds like instead of Titans being the weak-point of the game, the stealth sections will take that mantle this time.

I hope they're all at the beginning.

Honestly, I questioned their inclusion since they were first announced. Who wants stealth in a Castlevania game?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 05, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
So it sounds like instead of Titans being the weak-point of the game, the stealth sections will take that mantle this time.

Ironically, I haven't heard a single negative thing about the titans in this game.....yet.
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Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 01:19:11 PM
Ironically, I haven't heard a single negative thing about the titans in this game.....yet.

I really do think it's because nobody has played very far into the game. It sounds like there's a lot of stealth early game, plus a Toy Maker demo that we know everyone played, but I have yet to hear ANYTHING about the rest of the game.

I'm not saying it to be "that guy" just that reviewers are historically notorious for not playing through an entire game, especially if it's 20+ hours long. Remember how many LoS1 reviews there were that went all "OMG IT'S ALL JUNGLE THIS GAME HAS NO CASTLE"? I do. Then two month's later the game is super good 85/100 game with weak early levels but a great mid/final section and by MoF's release it's suddenly some instant classic that Mirror of Fate just couldn't live up to.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 05, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
If i were Konami, I'd be publishing some reviews like right now.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 05, 2014, 01:35:24 PM
I'm not saying it to be "that guy" just that reviewers are historically notorious for not playing through an entire game, especially if it's 20+ hours long.

I can't remember where (it might have been from Sessler) but I've read that reviewers don't actually have to finish a game due to meeting certain deadlines. So they either rush through it or play just about enough to write a review about it and give it a score without even finishing it (or in some cases, let someone else finish the game while they watch).
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Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
I can't remember where (it might have been from Sessler) but I've read that reviewers don't actually have to finish a game due to meeting certain deadlines. So they either rush through it or play just about enough to write a review about it and give it a score without even finishing it (or in some cases, let someone else finish the game while they watch).

After reading the GameInformer review, that's exactly what it sounds like. Lots of metaphors, lots of bold statements, no reasons.
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Post by: Ascension on February 05, 2014, 01:53:31 PM
To me that's what it sounds like also.  A reviewer not playing a whole game and giving it scores is about the same as a movie critic watching just the first half of a movie, turning it off and scoring it, IMO.  Bad or good scores, I'm still excited for this game.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 05, 2014, 02:00:51 PM
I really don't care how well it does in reviews either. I'm just worried about the well being of my favorite franchise.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 02:04:30 PM
I really don't care how well it does in reviews either. I'm just worried about the well being of my favorite franchise.

They're not entirely unrelated
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 05, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
Quote
A reviewer not playing a whole game and giving it scores is about the same as a movie critic watching just the first half of a movie, turning it off and scoring it, IMO.

to be fair, how many games are there that take an hour and a half/two hours to complete?

like previously said, there are certain deadlines in the industry that reviewers have to adhere to
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Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 02:14:01 PM
to be fair, how many games are there that take an hour and a half/two hours to complete?

like previously said, there are certain deadlines in the industry that reviewers have to adhere to

Game isn't going to be out for 20 days. I work 40-50 hours a week and I'm sure I could beat the game well within that.
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Post by: crisis on February 05, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
you have to consider there are other games to review, too, each with varying deadlines, and everybody has different schedules. you cant expect a reviewer to sit down & professionally play through several 15-20 hour games straight, right lengthy reviews for each of them, while juggling every other aspect of their lives and function normally, all within a deadline

if you can do that then you must be some sort of saiyan from planet vegeta
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 05, 2014, 02:28:30 PM
 I don't cause worry the notes of some pages. Like the first LoS 1, many players left the game in the ice titan chapter (like my brother).

 If I would have been a scaredy cat, my last vision of Zelda Ocarina of time would have been the steal castle's part, with the guards; it was difficult to me for my youth, but now I can said that it was the most funny stealth part that I have ever play in a game. Examples of stealth parts bad implement in a game: the stealth sections of Las of Us; I always must finish shoot and cane the enemies. ALWAYS !!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 05, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
you have to consider there are other games to review, too, each with varying deadlines, and everybody has different schedules. you cant expect a reviewer to sit down & professionally play through several 15-20 hour games straight, right lengthy reviews for each of them, while juggling every other aspect of their lives and function normally, all within a deadline

if you can do that then you must be some sort of saiyan from planet vegeta

Professionals reviewing games have no time to professionally review games? Yes there are plenty of games coming out, but they also hire lots of people.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 05, 2014, 02:35:09 PM
Then they should not call that a review but a quick look if you can't play through it all. Which is fun because Giant Bimb's quick looks are the best reviews around.
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Post by: crisis on February 05, 2014, 02:45:38 PM
well maybe they also gotta follow certain rules, which may say its not necessary for them to complete the game from start to finish or whatever, and they just do that to conserve time. i dont know and i dont think nobody here knows for sure, either. and its even more time-consuming if you have to review a game you dont really like, from a genre you dont like. like i said everyone has different schedules and tastes; there are very few people posting here that like or even tolerate the Madden franchise or sports games in general but if you were tasked to play through an entire season and right a lengthy review, covering all aspects, you might just be a little biased

im just offering a different point of view, is all
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 05, 2014, 02:51:16 PM
I know that there's not much to talk about until it actually comes out, but really? 3 pages dedicated to talking about reviews of the game? In today's shitty "professional" gaming journalism world that either A: hates things for changing,  B:are paid to hate/love a game, or C: hate it for not following trends?

Oh, or D: hate it because IT'S SEXIST! RAPE EVERYWHERE! THIS GAME IS RAPING ME BY EXISTING

Only reviewer I really listen to, and even then he's not a full time reviewer, is Johnny from Super Gaming Bros.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SomecallmeJohnny (http://www.youtube.com/user/SomecallmeJohnny)

he's pretty fair.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
well maybe they also gotta follow certain rules, which may say its not necessary for them to complete the game from start to finish or whatever, and they just do that to conserve time. i dont know and i dont think nobody here knows for sure, either. and its even more time-consuming if you have to review a game you dont really like, from a genre you dont like. like i said everyone has different schedules and tastes; there are very few people posting here that like or even tolerate the Madden franchise or sports games in general but if you were tasked to play through an entire season and right a lengthy review, covering all aspects, you might just be a little biased

im just offering a different point of view, is all

I'd ask the reviewer at the office who likes Madden to review it.

I mean, I could be completely off-base and Game Informer is actually running a skeleton crew, but when I run the numbers through my head I don't see how they don't have enough time to do it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 05, 2014, 03:05:12 PM
Seriously, Reviews don't mean jack shit if you don't know the reviewer's taste in video games.
Example; If I were to review The Mass effect trilogy, I would give them all low scores mostly because I didn't enjoy it from the start.

Point is, as soon as my game hits steam, it's bought, fuck the reviewers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 05, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
Regardless of score, im still gonna play it. I've played games that scored lower than a 6 and had fun with those than games that scored 9's and 10's.

My hypetrain stops for no number!

(Know what, fuck it, that's my new sig.)

Rock that man rock it  8)

in other news is it possible that IGN might like it?

IGN AU Talks Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhg-4UpMPLg#ws)

besides the cutscenes (and blood?) from my understanding she seems to talk about it in a positive light. 

Also was the GI reviewer Tim Tury by the way? If it is considered me shocked.


I know that there's not much to talk about until it actually comes out, but really? 3 pages dedicated to talking about reviews of the game? In today's shitty "professional" gaming journalism world that either A: hates things for changing,  B:are paid to hate/love a game, or C: hate it for not following trends?

Oh, or D: hate it because IT'S SEXIST! RAPE EVERYWHERE! THIS GAME IS RAPING ME BY EXISTING

Only reviewer I really listen to, and even then he's not a full time reviewer, is Johnny from Super Gaming Bros.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SomecallmeJohnny (http://www.youtube.com/user/SomecallmeJohnny)

he's pretty fair.

He just reviewed SOTN and Rondo of blood he's pretty chill. His ghost and Goblins review was funny as well.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 05, 2014, 04:37:17 PM
Rock that man rock it  8)

in other news is it possible that IGN might like it?

IGN AU Talks Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhg-4UpMPLg#ws)

besides the cutscenes (and blood?) from my understanding she seems to talk about it in a positive light. 

Also was the GI reviewer Tim Tury by the way? If it is considered me shocked.


He just reviewed SOTN and Rondo of blood he's pretty chill. His ghost and Goblins review was funny as well.

 Could someone make a recap of the interview, my english is too bad to translate listening the interview.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on February 05, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
I never really listen to reviewers. Plus, given their time constraints and their personal tastes, it's likely that their experience reviewing a game is quite different from buying the game and playing it on their own time their way with none of the constraints their under when reviewing the game.

It's why when a new game comes out that i'm interested in, I wait a few weeks and watch part of a play through on youtube so that I can see how the game is when played by someone with none of the restraints a professional reviewer is under. My favorite being DSPGaming.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 05, 2014, 05:11:18 PM
I never really listen to reviewers. Plus, given their time constraints and their personal tastes, it's likely that their experience reviewing a game is quite different from buying the game and playing it on their own time their way with none of the constraints their under when reviewing the game.

It's why when a new game comes out that i'm interested in, I wait a few weeks and watch part of a play through on youtube so that I can see how the game is when played by someone with none of the restraints a professional reviewer is under. My favorite being DSPGaming.

He's a pretty cool guy. Though most often he blames certain games for things he has done wrong. :D Hence all the "How not to Play" Videos. :D
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on February 05, 2014, 05:16:09 PM
He's a pretty cool guy. Though most often he blames certain games for things he has done wrong. :D Hence all the "How not to Play" Videos. :D
That's the one thing that annoys me about him. But for the most part, he takes his time and enjoys the games he plays. I have only see him quit 3 or 4 games. And, one of them (dark souls), he went back to and completed it.

He's usually very entertaining and that's probably the reason I like him the best.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: mistressalucard on February 05, 2014, 05:34:41 PM
Which version are you all getting?  xbox360 or ps3?

I just preordered it and got the xbox360 version since my ps3 is now upstairs and the ps4 is in the living room.

But all the other versions of Castlevania I own are playstation if there was a choice.

I am sort of rethinking this.  Is there a huge difference in graphics?
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 05, 2014, 06:07:06 PM
All this issue about press review and score reminds me a few things: if you really like and enjoy the game, it´s doesn´t matter if the press give it a low score (I know that the sales are important). I am honest to say that all the direction in LoS does not like to me at all; maybe as a stand alone franchise or spiritual sucessor (like Ghost & Goblins-Maximo).

It´s a good trilogy, with good music and ambience, but maybe not a "perfect" last gen games like The last of Us or Mass Effect, acording to the press. Yeah, these are different games, but their sales and reviews where high. Some people enjoy them, some others not (I have to confess that I only play Mass Effect for 5 minutes, and get boring).

I really like and enjoy games like Bulletstorm, Darksiders, Shinobi for PS2, Ninja Blade, and I don´t care if reviewers gave them low scores. So, let´s wait ´till the game comes out and play for ourselves, and we will give our self score :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 05, 2014, 06:25:12 PM
Which version are you all getting?  xbox360 or ps3?

I just preordered it and got the xbox360 version since my ps3 is now upstairs and the ps4 is in the living room.

But all the other versions of Castlevania I own are playstation if there was a choice.

I am sort of rethinking this.  Is there a huge difference in graphics?
PC.
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Post by: mindbender on February 05, 2014, 06:58:10 PM
Yup. After experiencing how much nicer looking and easier to play the PC version of LoS1 was compared to the console, i can't accept anything less. I'm sure it'll be great to play with a PS4 controller too!
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Post by: Flame on February 05, 2014, 07:26:59 PM
It's why when a new game comes out that i'm interested in, I wait a few weeks and watch part of a play through on youtube so that I can see how the game is when played by someone with none of the restraints a professional reviewer is under. My favorite being DSPGaming.
DSP

Not THE DSP, right..?

Right..?
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Post by: Dremn on February 05, 2014, 07:37:31 PM
DSP is a gigantic spaz who doesn't deserve the amount of cash he has right now. I'll never understand why he gets so much attention.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 05, 2014, 07:40:50 PM
DSP

Not THE DSP, right..?

Right..?

Hey if people find enjoyment in watching the most cringeworthy attempts at playing video games this world has ever seen and be a total dickass to your own fanbase (hell a dickass in general) then by all means he's free to watch DSP.

That said, let's keep the DSP talk for another thread.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 05, 2014, 08:43:37 PM
i am getting it for PS3, but i agree PC is the best way to go graphics/FPS-wise
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Post by: Flame on February 05, 2014, 10:48:04 PM
I'm actually really conflicted. On the one hand, PC will obviously be the best version of the game, but on the other hand, we still don't know if PC will get a physical release or just steam. I really want a box for this one.

Also, PC gaming, no matter how good, just can't replace that feeling of sitting on your couch playing a console on your TV
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Post by: e105beta on February 05, 2014, 10:59:33 PM
I'm actually really conflicted. On the one hand, PC will obviously be the best version of the game, but on the other hand, we still don't know if PC will get a physical release or just steam. I really want a box for this one.

Also, PC gaming, no matter how good, just can't replace that feeling of sitting on your couch playing a console on your TV

Steambox, yo
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Post by: KaZudra on February 06, 2014, 12:00:28 AM
I'm actually really conflicted. On the one hand, PC will obviously be the best version of the game, but on the other hand, we still don't know if PC will get a physical release or just steam. I really want a box for this one.

Also, PC gaming, no matter how good, just can't replace that feeling of sitting on your couch playing a console on your TV
big picture mode, Controller, and HDMI.
It's pretty much the same as consoles
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Post by: Little Dracula on February 06, 2014, 03:10:43 AM
Very positive preview here:

http://www.totalxbox.com/70766/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-making-the-xbox-360-sing/ (http://www.totalxbox.com/70766/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-making-the-xbox-360-sing/)
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Post by: Flame on February 06, 2014, 05:20:06 AM
big picture mode, Controller, and HDMI.
It's pretty much the same as consoles
my pc and tv are on different floors
hdmi cable is not an option unless its wireless which is too expensive

also

steambox

HA
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 06, 2014, 05:37:20 AM
Very positive preview here:

http://www.totalxbox.com/70766/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-making-the-xbox-360-sing/ (http://www.totalxbox.com/70766/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-making-the-xbox-360-sing/)

 Nice ! Here another review (many spoilers here) of the 4 first hours (I think that have been posted here before) from hobbyconsolas http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/avances/avance-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-61999 (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/avances/avance-castlevania-lords-shadow-2-61999); the impresions of the journalist are huge positives too. Remember the notes of the first LoS1 :http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/castlevania-lords-of-shadow/critic-reviews (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/castlevania-lords-of-shadow/critic-reviews) there was also a high fluctuation amongst the notes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 06, 2014, 07:15:03 AM
VOID SWORD MINI-TRAILER

[New & Official] Reveal of the Void Sword [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSjD3uhlEDA#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 06, 2014, 08:26:19 AM
by the way, did anyone else notice the chaos claws have a fireball move?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 06, 2014, 09:19:03 AM
Who says ''I underestimated you''?... Victor?
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Post by: e105beta on February 06, 2014, 09:49:16 AM
Who says ''I underestimated you''?... Victor?

Probably one of Satan's Acolytes. That's not Victor's voice.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 06, 2014, 10:09:23 AM
You must be right. I thought weird to Victor to underestimate Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 06, 2014, 10:43:03 AM
The wait on PC preorders is killing me. Some time before the turn of the century would be nice, considering PC preorders have been touted as open since they opened PS3/360 ones.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 06, 2014, 10:43:40 AM
Look
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Post by: Anglachel on February 06, 2014, 10:51:43 AM
Look

I would hope it would come to the U.S. but probably no.  :(
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 06, 2014, 10:56:17 AM
Do you have it?
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Post by: Anglachel on February 06, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Do you have it?


That is a picture that Dave tweeted today.
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Post by: e105beta on February 06, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
What is it?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 06, 2014, 12:13:46 PM
I wish the Steam pre-order will hurry up and list, the game is going to release in less than 3 weeks
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Post by: Flame on February 06, 2014, 01:11:12 PM
I wish the Steam pre-order will hurry up and list, the game is going to release in less than 3 weeks
I REALLY don't get what the holdup is. Or that Dave would just up and say something about it besides "Soon™"
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 06, 2014, 01:43:42 PM
Why was the twitter page deleted?
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Post by: Asgardwolf on February 06, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
He also said the game will be avaible for D/L on PSN/XBL the rlease day but i can`t see any preoder options on PSN, it actually says Disk Only... I asked about it but no answer... It seens he just like to answer retard questions and retweet B*ll Licking comments as always...
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Post by: uzo on February 06, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
I wish the Steam pre-order will hurry up and list, the game is going to release in less than 3 weeks

From my understanding, there isn't going to be a simultaneous PC release. It will release sometime later on PC and there is no concrete date. Unless I have outdated info. It's hard to follow with like 6 pages a day here, lol.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 06, 2014, 02:36:15 PM
What is it?

 This http://www.game.es/Product/Default.aspx?SKU=099264 (http://www.game.es/Product/Default.aspx?SKU=099264) the special box of the "entry edition". I have only see it in game.es, I don't know if is exclusive or no. Looks awesome, probably the version that I will get.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 06, 2014, 02:51:16 PM
I'd love a Castlevania spin-off just called: Belmont. I think the image works pretty well :P
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Post by: Dremn on February 06, 2014, 03:04:35 PM
New interview discussing the franchise past, present, and future.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/06/talking-the-past-present-and-future-of-castlevania (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/06/talking-the-past-present-and-future-of-castlevania)

Quote
“I honestly don’t know what’s next for Castlevania,” he admitted. “Whoever comes after us should feel free to take it forward in any way they see fit. We always saw this as a torch being passed to us, and we knew one day we would pass that torch on. If they want to continue in this [Lords of Shadow] universe, they are more than welcome as far as we are concerned, but, of course, if they want to go back to the old canon or, indeed, forge their own destiny, then we should allow them their chance.”

“One thing I do know: Castlevania will never die, and as long as there are fans out there who want to spend some time with these characters, in this world, then its future is assured.”
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Post by: Anglachel on February 06, 2014, 03:15:10 PM
I'd love a Castlevania spin-off just called: Belmont. I think the image works pretty well :P

Ah, something about the name Belmont just perfectly fits with a clan of vampire hunters. Bless whoever thought that up.  8)

I kinda have the feeling this one would come to North America. It's not full blown as the Tomb Edition but it's certainly neat. Then again, Dave has been saying for a while that there wouldn't be a special edition for North America.  ???
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Post by: Flame on February 06, 2014, 03:24:15 PM
From my understanding, there isn't going to be a simultaneous PC release. It will release sometime later on PC and there is no concrete date. Unless I have outdated info. It's hard to follow with like 6 pages a day here, lol.
The trailer seems to imply otherwise, considering all the "preorder now!" images show the PC version included. Dave Cox also just keeps saying "soon" the preorders will open. Soon
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Post by: Bergaron on February 06, 2014, 03:42:22 PM
PC version, same day that console version, steam game ready, pre-order imminent, problems with steam for extra special, but they are already practically solved.

And with this last message I leave. :)

P. D. The game is very good 9/10, do not believe anyone pissed you put a 6/10 because the game is not like you want, try it, see videos and then judge you, for me it is LOS1 x 5. A few will like it and others hate is it not in all games?.

PD2 The DLC will not change anything endgame, as Cox said, only show past histories and parallel paths of the characters (like Alucard), there will also be some very cheap cosmetic DLC.

Good luck community
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 06, 2014, 03:46:48 PM
 New preview (this time in video) from EliteGamer about he first hours of the game; his conclusions:

 - Impeccable camera.
 - Improve combat.
 - Artistically shocking
 - The weapons can be upgrade.
 - Dracula have stealth parts cause in this moment of the aventure, it isn't enough strong to combat against the enemy.
 - The test version was the ps3; it have some graphics irregularities, some badlooking textures definition, the antialiasing should improve.

 Personal conclusion from the journalist: almost unbeatable first sensations, looks adictive, demanding skill, combat+puzzle+stealth seems nice, doing that the game don't feel repetitive.

 Sorry for my english.
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Post by: Neobelmont on February 06, 2014, 03:48:30 PM
PC version, same day that console version, steam game ready, pre-order imminent, problems with steam for extra special, but they are already practically solved.

And with this last message I leave. :)

P. D. The game is very good 9/10, do not believe anyone pissed you put a 6/10 because the game is not like you want, try it, see videos and then judge you, for me it is LOS1 x 5. A few will like it and others hate is it not in all games?.

PD2 The DLC will not change anything endgame, as Cox said, only show past histories and parallel paths of the characters (like Alucard), there will also be some very cheap cosmetic DLC.

Good luck community

peace out then B   8)  so in your opinion overall the people will love it. heck I know I'll love but people do follow review scores
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 06, 2014, 03:48:52 PM
PC version, same day that console version, steam game ready, pre-order imminent, problems with steam for extra special, but they are already practically solved.

And with this last message I leave. :)

P. D. The game is very good 9/10, do not believe anyone pissed you put a 6/10 because the game is not like you want, try it, see videos and then judge you, for me it is LOS1 x 5. A few will like it and others hate is it not in all games?.

PD2 The DLC will not change anything endgame, as Cox said, only show past histories and parallel paths of the characters (like Alucard), there will also be some very cheap cosmetic DLC.

Good luck community

One more question though Bergaron, if you allow: Will the story related DLCs introduce new bosses as well as did the Resurrection DLC in LoS 1? I would love to see some more unique boss fights in this universe before the devs say goodbye to the CV franchise. Do you have any info on that?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 06, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
PC version, same day that console version, steam game ready, pre-order imminent, problems with steam for extra special, but they are already practically solved.

And with this last message I leave. :)
Thanks for everything Bergaron.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 06, 2014, 04:36:52 PM
And with this last message I leave. :)

Good luck community

 Desde el primer momento sabía que estabas metido en el ajo. Ha sido un placer tenerte por estos lares. Ya verás nuestras reacciones ante ¿tu creación? ;). Buena suerte a ti también Bergaron.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 06, 2014, 05:02:10 PM
PC version, same day that console version, steam game ready, pre-order imminent, problems with steam for extra special, but they are already practically solved.

And with this last message I leave. :)

P. D. The game is very good 9/10, do not believe anyone pissed you put a 6/10 because the game is not like you want, try it, see videos and then judge you, for me it is LOS1 x 5. A few will like it and others hate is it not in all games?.

PD2 The DLC will not change anything endgame, as Cox said, only show past histories and parallel paths of the characters (like Alucard), there will also be some very cheap cosmetic DLC.

Good luck community
D-do you know if will there be a physical PC release..? Will it if there is- get the PC preorder bonus..?

Suerte, Bergaron, te vas asi nomas? Que pena... No volveras en algun momento en el futuro..?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on February 06, 2014, 05:03:46 PM
New preview (this time in video) from EliteGamer about he first hours of the game; his conclusions:

 - Impeccable camera.
 - Improve combat.
 - Artistically shocking
 - The weapons can be upgrade.
 - Dracula have stealth parts cause in this moment of the aventure, it isn't enough strong to combat against the enemy.
 - The test version was the ps3; it have some graphics irregularities, some badlooking textures definition, the antialiasing should improve.

 Personal conclusion from the journalist: almost unbeatable first sensations, looks adictive, demanding skill, combat+puzzle+stealth seems nice, doing that the game don't feel repetitive.

 Sorry for my english.
Finally!!!! A review that sounds very encouraging. I'm still on the fence on whether to get the game or not, but I think I will eventually.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 06, 2014, 05:32:10 PM
I'm actually really conflicted. On the one hand, PC will obviously be the best version of the game, but on the other hand, we still don't know if PC will get a physical release or just steam. I really want a box for this one.

Also, PC gaming, no matter how good, just can't replace that feeling of sitting on your couch playing a console on your TV
My PC is directly connected to a TV. You know that magic thing they invented called HDMI? I have one cable.

I don't have a couch though. I prefer playing on my bed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 06, 2014, 05:57:25 PM
My PC is directly connected to a TV. You know that magic thing they invented called HDMI? I have one cable.

I don't have a couch though. I prefer playing on my bed.

His TV is too far away from his computer
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 06, 2014, 06:00:48 PM
PC version, same day that console version, steam game ready, pre-order imminent, problems with steam for extra special, but they are already practically solved.

And with this last message I leave. :)

P. D. The game is very good 9/10, do not believe anyone pissed you put a 6/10 because the game is not like you want, try it, see videos and then judge you, for me it is LOS1 x 5. A few will like it and others hate is it not in all games?.

PD2 The DLC will not change anything endgame, as Cox said, only show past histories and parallel paths of the characters (like Alucard), there will also be some very cheap cosmetic DLC.

Good luck community
The hero we need, but not the one we deserve...

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Farewell my friend, may you come back some day.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 06, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
His TV is too far away from his computer
Not my problem.

I moved mine to be next to my TV.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 06, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
PC version, same day that console version, steam game ready, pre-order imminent, problems with steam for extra special, but they are already practically solved.

And with this last message I leave. :)

P. D. The game is very good 9/10, do not believe anyone pissed you put a 6/10 because the game is not like you want, try it, see videos and then judge you, for me it is LOS1 x 5. A few will like it and others hate is it not in all games?.

PD2 The DLC will not change anything endgame, as Cox said, only show past histories and parallel paths of the characters (like Alucard), there will also be some very cheap cosmetic DLC.

Good luck community

I hope the future brings you back, friend
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Melanicus on February 06, 2014, 09:36:55 PM
New preview here:

http://oxcgn.com/2014/02/06/red-cross-australia-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview/ (http://oxcgn.com/2014/02/06/red-cross-australia-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 06, 2014, 11:03:29 PM
And with this last message I leave. :)
Good luck community

Thanks a lot for all the info Bergaron!
We'll be awaiting your return.  :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 06, 2014, 11:47:02 PM
Thanks Bergaron, have a nice break! :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 07, 2014, 02:42:56 AM
Wait, did I miss something? Why is Bergaron leaving?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 07, 2014, 04:49:22 AM

 Another "hands on" review of the first hour : http://www.totalxbox.com/70766/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-making-the-xbox-360-sing/ (http://www.totalxbox.com/70766/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-making-the-xbox-360-sing/)

 Enric Álvarez said this in twitter about the 6 of gameinformer: "Es que "eso" no es una review. Es una pataleta. Te sugiero probar la demo y juzgar por ti mismo :)"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 07, 2014, 05:34:45 AM
Another "hands on" review of the first hour : http://www.totalxbox.com/70766/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-making-the-xbox-360-sing/ (http://www.totalxbox.com/70766/previews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-making-the-xbox-360-sing/)

 Enric Álvarez said this in twitter about the 6 of gameinformer: "Es que "eso" no es una review. Es una pataleta. Te sugiero probar la demo y juzgar por ti mismo :)"
Hahaha I love Enric's commetary. And I agree with him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 07, 2014, 05:47:55 AM
PD2 The DLC will not change anything endgame, as Cox said, only show past histories and parallel paths of the characters (like Alucard), there will also be some very cheap cosmetic DLC.

Past Belmont DLC?   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Silverlord on February 07, 2014, 05:52:12 AM
And with this last message I leave. :)

Good luck community

"We'll not meet again."

You are the wind.  Be well, Bergaron! :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 07, 2014, 06:39:25 AM
Past Belmont DLC?   
More like past Belmont prequel. I can smell it from here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 07, 2014, 08:19:41 AM
More like past Belmont prequel. I can smell it from here.

Yes please
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 07, 2014, 08:22:27 AM
PC version, same day that console version, steam game ready, pre-order imminent, problems with steam for extra special, but they are already practically solved.

And with this last message I leave. :)

P. D. The game is very good 9/10, do not believe anyone pissed you put a 6/10 because the game is not like you want, try it, see videos and then judge you, for me it is LOS1 x 5. A few will like it and others hate is it not in all games?.

PD2 The DLC will not change anything endgame, as Cox said, only show past histories and parallel paths of the characters (like Alucard), there will also be some very cheap cosmetic DLC.

Good luck community
I can't believe I missed this. Probably the most significant post in 395 pages of discussion.  ;D

Farewell, then, Bergaron. I wish you the best of luck...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 07, 2014, 08:26:41 AM
More like past Belmont prequel. I can smell it from here.
"Belmont Lineage" in the journal makes me think we're gonna see art of Belmonts LoSized, like Richter and such. I have a feeling it's fuel for Konami's fire if they want to keep the LoS train going.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 07, 2014, 08:29:04 AM
No please :S
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Post by: Nagumo on February 07, 2014, 08:35:43 AM
(click to show/hide)

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 07, 2014, 08:49:39 AM
"Belmont Lineage" in the journal makes me think we're gonna see art of Belmonts LoSized, like Richter and such. I have a feeling it's fuel for Konami's fire if they want to keep the LoS train going.

Even if it's just art, I really want to see this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 07, 2014, 09:06:09 AM
Maybe I have low standards, but as long as los2 has images of past belmonts and at least 1 remix I will be a happy man.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 07, 2014, 09:36:03 AM
MercurySteam has no business adapting unrelated classic CV characters into LoS2. Of course, if they're to be actually related to the storyline, I won't mind, but LoS and MoF's unsubtle references were already aberrant enough. Lords of Shadow did everything it could to distinguish itself as a reboot -- so let's try to be consistent here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 07, 2014, 09:40:40 AM
Good News, Lord of Shadow will hit PC pre-order next week
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Post by: Kingshango on February 07, 2014, 09:41:55 AM
You forgot that the demo has also been confirmed for next week.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 07, 2014, 09:42:43 AM
MercurySteam has no business adapting unrelated classic CV characters into LoS2. Of course, if they're to be actually related to the storyline, I won't mind, but LoS and MoF's unsubtle references were already aberrant enough. Lords of Shadow did everything it could to distinguish itself as a reboot -- so let's try to be consistent here.

Mercurysteam can do whatever they want. It's a reboot. Mercurysteam works for Konami who owns Castlevania and its characters old and new.

I don't think it's unreasonable for Mercurysteam to include info about the Belmont lineage from Simon all the way to Victor. It would be really awesome. I don't care if its a shitty reference like Grants, as long as I get artwork with it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 07, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
What if the extra mode this game has is some sort of bonus chapter done like MoF where you play as various Belmonts inbetween Simon and Victor? That would be a nice way to wrap everything up.   
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 07, 2014, 10:37:21 AM
In that case, I'd suggest MercurySteam come up with its own Belmont history, rather than borrowing from the classic cannon. I'm just hoping for a little more creativity, which LoS2 can definitely provide -- but I'll admit I've also grown skeptic of MS's redesigns after MoF.

Then again, if this is only to involve artwork, then I don't see any harm to it; LoS2's artistic design is sound as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on February 07, 2014, 10:54:52 AM
What if the extra mode this game has is some sort of bonus chapter done like MoF where you play as various Belmonts inbetween Simon and Victor? That would be a nice way to wrap everything up.   

I would love to play as a battle-cross wielding Richter or Juste.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 07, 2014, 10:56:14 AM
I admit, I regret not having a console version, Gamestop game me a LoS Tshirt for preorder, midnight release last time, sadly I won't be enjoying a physical box nor a chance for merchandise
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 07, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
I would love to play as a battle-cross wielding Sonia.

Fixed that typo for you.  :)
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 07, 2014, 10:57:07 AM
It would be beyond awesome if The Belmont Legacy option contains many Belmonts, regardless of canons. Konami approved it, so MS could do anything. No harm in any of the alternatives
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 07, 2014, 11:23:20 AM
I would have liked to see Mercury's version of the Alucard/Richter bromance. Oh the tension...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 07, 2014, 12:23:39 PM
Fixed that typo for you.  :)
Would so be ok with this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on February 07, 2014, 01:26:02 PM
Fixed that typo for you.  :)

But I like Juste.  ??? He was the first Belmont I played as.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 07, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
But I like Juste.  ??? He was the first Belmont I played as.
Poor you.

So, I'm like, thirsty, for more info, these last days of waiting are the worst.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on February 07, 2014, 01:31:31 PM
Poor you.

So, I'm like, thirsty, for more info, these last days of waiting are the worst.

Poor me because I like Juste, or I haven't played as Sonia? lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 07, 2014, 03:50:21 PM
In that case, I'd suggest MercurySteam come up with its own Belmont history, rather than borrowing from the classic cannon. I'm just hoping for a little more creativity, which LoS2 can definitely provide -- but I'll admit I've also grown skeptic of MS's redesigns after MoF.

Then again, if this is only to involve artwork, then I don't see any harm to it; LoS2's artistic design is sound as far as I'm concerned.

That was the first thing that I dislike from the LoS Saga... I think that MS is more creative than to borrow names from the old canon. Yes, I know that is a reboot, but don´t forget Cox words: "Forget all you know about Castlevania". Then, why they use the same names from before? Even the logo is the same from the last IGA´s games (just with a little beak in the C). And so, why to make their own canon, if ther saga/trilogy ends with LoS 2? I remember a lot of people complaining with the changes from IGA and his timeline, but, is necessary another "rebooted" canon?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 08, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
I would have liked to see Mercury's version of the Alucard/Richter bromance. Oh the tension...

Oh my... please no....
Hahahahahahaha! it would have been funny and awkward.

But I like Juste.  He was the first Belmont I played as.

First statement: You are not alone. I love that interior decorator.   :)
Second statement: Poor you.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 08, 2014, 12:44:19 AM
A local video game store told me there'll be a physical box for LoS2. :) (PC version of course)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 08, 2014, 06:31:49 AM
One of the photos from the Paris Art Exhibition shows the concept art for Leviathan. Battle totally confirmed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 08, 2014, 06:36:13 AM
One of the photos from the Paris Art Exhibition shows the concept art for Leviathan. Battle totally confirmed.
Cool, any pics Around?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 08, 2014, 06:50:33 AM
I posted the pic on my Tumblr since it seemed to be deleted from the FB album in the CVLOS2 community:

http://flyingchai.tumblr.com/post/76000264733/leviathan-i-just-like-saying-the-name (http://flyingchai.tumblr.com/post/76000264733/leviathan-i-just-like-saying-the-name)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 08, 2014, 07:26:57 AM
Behold, rat gameplay

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 08, 2014, 08:56:41 AM
What exactly does the Leviathan pic show. I don't see something on that image that resembles a creature. The only thing I can see are stones and flames but nothing that seems to be the Leviathan. Can somebody explain to me where I can see him.

Also that video of the rat gameplay (stealth section) is not shown here. Can you post a link to the video that I can click on. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 08, 2014, 09:39:46 AM
That was the first thing that I dislike from the LoS Saga... I think that MS is more creative than to borrow names from the old canon. Yes, I know that is a reboot, but don´t forget Cox words: "Forget all you know about Castlevania". Then, why they use the same names from before? Even the logo is the same from the last IGA´s games (just with a little beak in the C). And so, why to make their own canon, if ther saga/trilogy ends with LoS 2? I remember a lot of people complaining with the changes from IGA and his timeline, but, is necessary another "rebooted" canon?
The name drops are obviously nods to the original canon. It's not like they simply ran out of new names for Belmonts(obviously, Gabriel's a new Belmont). Hell, there can still be Richard Belmont, David Belmont(hehehe), Thomas Belmont, Alexander Belmont, Michael Belmont, Anthony Belmont, Charles Belmont, Vincent Belmont, Marcus Belmont... the list goes on. 

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg843%2F9735%2Fcfe.gif&hash=6acd53ac49d7e850e41ff0315a60ea62)
I've been always meaning to ask someone, but where exactly does this gif originate from? Gotta be something from the 70s!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 08, 2014, 09:47:06 AM

Also that video of the rat gameplay (stealth section) is not shown here. Can you post a link to the video that I can click on.
There's no video, it's just the screenshot
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 08, 2014, 09:49:22 AM
The name drops are obviously nods to the original canon. It's not like they simply ran out of new names for Belmonts(obviously, Gabriel's a new Belmont). Hell, there can still be Richard Belmont, David Belmont(hehehe), Thomas Belmont, Alexander Belmont, Michael Belmont, Anthony Belmont, Charles Belmont, Vincent Belmont, Marcus Belmont... the list goes on.

Ishmael Belmont, Wallerbie Belmont, Keith Belmont, Nigel Belmont, Gus Belmont....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 08, 2014, 10:39:57 AM
What exactly does the Leviathan pic show. I don't see something on that image that resembles a creature.


To me it looks like Dracula is falling into a place that looks like Hell, or may even be part of Hell itself we'll see.
I'm sure I see Leviathan in the top left of the picture, sitting on a wall with a couple of tentacles hanging down and eyes all over its body...similar to one of the statues in the Void Sword chamber.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 08, 2014, 10:57:26 AM
A sneak peek of the LOS2 OST

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Castlevania-Lords-Shadow-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00IB0GRDK/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1391824198&sr=8-26&keywords=castlevania+Lords+of+Shadow (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Castlevania-Lords-Shadow-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00IB0GRDK/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1391824198&sr=8-26&keywords=castlevania+Lords+of+Shadow)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 08, 2014, 11:09:38 AM
A sneak peek of the LOS2 OST

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Castlevania-Lords-Shadow-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00IB0GRDK/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1391824198&sr=8-26&keywords=castlevania+Lords+of+Shadow (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Castlevania-Lords-Shadow-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B00IB0GRDK/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1391824198&sr=8-26&keywords=castlevania+Lords+of+Shadow)
Wow, the samples are awesome already! Looks like the battle music during the initial Brotherhood Assult is different in the final game. Or maybe it'll be for a modern day Brotherhood encounter, that electronic synth would be appropriate for a modern setting. o_O

EDIT: Hunter and Prey is an orchestration of Lady of the Crypt! Woo!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 08, 2014, 12:48:20 PM
Wow, the samples are awesome already! Looks like the battle music during the initial Brotherhood Assult is different in the final game. Or maybe it'll be for a modern day Brotherhood encounter, that electronic synth would be appropriate for a modern setting. o_O

EDIT: Hunter and Prey is an orchestration of Lady of the Crypt! Woo!

 Woau, nice discovery. Araujo has shown a lot of time (twitter, souncloud) that he is a fan of the electronic music. His next EP will be about it. I think that the first time, he need a ost strong but not too much risky, because was a reboot and need a solid base. I am sure that this time "puede hacer más lo que le salga del nabo" xD.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 08, 2014, 12:54:16 PM
Wow, the samples are awesome already! Looks like the battle music during the initial Brotherhood Assult is different in the final game. Or maybe it'll be for a modern day Brotherhood encounter, that electronic synth would be appropriate for a modern setting. o_O

EDIT: Hunter and Prey is an orchestration of Lady of the Crypt! Woo!

Can't say I'm a fan of the majority of this music. Brotherhood Assault DOES sound good, though. I think that has to do with the heavy electronic synth(very 80s/Retro Wave-esque, which I'm a big fan of). Other than that, the only stand outs, IMO, are the variants of the Dracula Theme(Carmilla and Carmilla's Spell). Everything else is meh, and if this is the gist of the OST, there is no classic remixed songs. Really disappointed at the Toy Maker. For such a musicless fight, the song should've been more eeriely whimsical. If anything, that's what Araujo lacks, range of different styles. I think in this case, something more diverse in sound would've worked better. Meh.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 08, 2014, 12:55:45 PM
I thought it was disappointing... I heard no electronic... The "castlevania" track was the one I had the highest hopes for.... It was meh. The toymaker one sounded like everything the character isn't... Draculs theme, carmilla, and carmillas spell are all rearrangements? I guess I will wait for the whole soundtrack... But I will try to not have high hopes for it.
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Post by: flyingchai on February 08, 2014, 01:12:04 PM
The "castlevania" track was the one I had the highest hopes for....
It's an orchestration of Alucard's & Simon's battle with Dracula in Mirror of Fate.
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Post by: crisis on February 08, 2014, 01:18:32 PM
"Leviathan" is prolly the essence of the castle itself
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Post by: EstebanT on February 08, 2014, 01:20:11 PM
It's an orchestration of Alucard's & Simon's battle with Dracula in Mirror of Fate.

*puke*
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Post by: Kingshango on February 08, 2014, 01:24:04 PM
I think it's alright but then again I knew exactly what we were getting when it came to the music so my expectations were low already. (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fyeshrug.png&hash=85087377a020c68a634f040c267f9052)
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Post by: Maedhros on February 08, 2014, 02:35:00 PM
The soundtrack sounds bad for me again... well, who cares, music isn't why I'll play this game at all.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 08, 2014, 02:44:31 PM
The soundtrack sounds bad for me again... well, who cares, music isn't why I'll play this game at all.

Plus, as Dragonslayr already demonstrated, using old Castlevania music will fit more in LOS2 than it did in LOS1.
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Post by: Gamermeister on February 08, 2014, 02:51:36 PM
I liked the LoS soundtrack and LOVED the MoF soundtrack. I expect Ill dig the new one as well!
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 08, 2014, 03:09:27 PM
I liked the LoS soundtrack and LOVED the MoF soundtrack. I expect Ill dig the new one as well!
What ever floats your boat.
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Post by: Intersection on February 08, 2014, 03:16:45 PM
This is mortifying. No matter how much Cox tries to hammer in the importance of Castlevania's music, the fact remains that the supposedly "largest orchestra in gaming history" has been used to produced the worst music in the entire history of the franchise.

Bravo, Oscar, you've done it again: from the few excerpts I've just heard, it looks as if LoS2's soundtrack is set to sound just as flat, aimless, and uninspired as that of its two predecessors. I can only hope that Amazon's preview is simply misleading, and that we'll be eventually treated to something actually worth listening to...

Honestly, why even bother to give iconic names to individual tracks if each one is going to sound more generic than the next? Why not just dub half the tracks in the OST "headache-inducing battle music", the other half "nondescript harmonies", and only distinguish the game's three or four actually interesting themes? I mean, even the standout "Dracula's Theme" inexplicably needed to be rearranged three different times under three different names...

True, I've become far too wary of Araujo's scores for my own good, so I'm a bit harsh here. And it'd be definitely safer to wait until the full soundtrack is released before starting to criticize it. Especially since I never expected the LoS2 soundtrack to be good in the first place... And yet - can't a person be allowed to hope every once in a while?
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Post by: flyingchai on February 08, 2014, 04:23:21 PM
I can't wait to hear Satan's track, I really loved how it sounded when they played it live at Play Fest.

Of these 19 tracks I'd have to say I'm not too crazy about the excerpt of Track 2 but...I'll wait until actually hearing the full pieces before passing a firm judgment. As a fan of the LOS1 score, this is sounding pretty good so far.
As far as Dracula's Theme, Carmilla, and Carmilla's spell sounding the same, it makes sense that we hear the tune in more than one piece since it's the main theme of the whole game, and the fact that it's the same as Carmilla's theme without a doubt poses some sort of underlying significance.

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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 08, 2014, 04:37:01 PM
To me it looks like Dracula is falling into a place that looks like Hell, or may even be part of Hell itself we'll see.
I'm sure I see Leviathan in the top left of the picture, sitting on a wall with a couple of tentacles hanging down and eyes all over its body...similar to one of the statues in the Void Sword chamber.

Just like the walls in the room with the chandeliers show some tentacles.

What do you guys think: Is the blood creature the Leviathan or something else? I still think These are two different  entities, the blood creature being the ghost of Walter Bernhard and the other creature, Leviathan being Chaos itself-

I hope for a Lovecraftian looking Titan sized Boss. :P Maybe Leviathan will be the biggest Titan of the entire Lords of Shadow series.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on February 08, 2014, 05:10:24 PM
I see a giant eagle with glowing red beak in the Leviathan picture.
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Post by: Melanicus on February 08, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
Samples are also up here:

http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/ (http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/)

They're different from the ones on Amazon.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 08, 2014, 06:15:05 PM
Samples are also up here:

http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/ (http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/)

They're different from the ones on Amazon.
Slightly different, but more or less the same.
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Post by: flyingchai on February 08, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
Samples are also up here:

http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/ (http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/)

They're different from the ones on Amazon.

They start about 15 seconds before the ones on Amazon.
The first third or so of most of Araujo's LOS cues are consistently pretty bland, until you get deeper into the composition. That's usually where the awesomeness is contained, IMHO.
e.g. The Titan, Final Confrontation, Return of Final Combat, The Evil Butcher, just to name a few.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 08, 2014, 06:27:40 PM
This is mortifying. No matter how much Cox tries to hammer in the importance of Castlevania's music, the fact remains that the supposedly "largest orchestra in gaming history" has been used to produced the worst music in the entire history of the franchise.

Bravo, Oscar, you've done it again: from the few excerpts I've just heard, it looks as if LoS2's soundtrack is set to sound just as flat, aimless, and uninspired as that of its two predecessors. I can only hope that Amazon's preview is simply misleading, and that we'll be eventually treated to something actually worth listening to...

Honestly, why even bother to give iconic names to individual tracks if each one is going to sound more generic than the next? Why not just dub half the tracks in the OST "headache-inducing battle music", the other half "nondescript harmonies", and only distinguish the game's three or four actually interesting themes? I mean, even the standout "Dracula's Theme" inexplicably needed to be rearranged three different times under three different names...

True, I've become far too wary of Araujo's scores for my own good, so I'm a bit harsh here. And it'd be definitely safer to wait until the full soundtrack is released before starting to criticize it. Especially since I never expected the LoS2 soundtrack to be good in the first place... And yet - can't a person be allowed to hope every once in a while?

This is the first time I read something coming from you that isn't garbage... I actually agree with you 100%
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 08, 2014, 07:03:51 PM
OK guys I don't know what planet I'm living in but I see this score being superior to the 2 before.
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Post by: e105beta on February 08, 2014, 07:12:10 PM
This is the first time I read something coming from you that isn't garbage... I actually agree with you 100%

No, it's still pretty garbage.

OK guys I don't know what planet I'm living in but I see this score being superior to the 2 before.

Planet Wrong. It's ok, I live there too.
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Post by: flyingchai on February 08, 2014, 07:40:51 PM

Planet Wrong. It's ok, I live there too.

That makes 3 of us.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 08, 2014, 07:41:13 PM
People were just hoping for more of a "melodic" feel in LOS2 when it came down to the music, something close to the original games at least. Can't really blame them for being a bit hopeful that Araujo would switch up a bit. But hey at least they won't have to put up with Araujo's Hollywood esq music anymore after this (unless they're also fans of Contra, then I dunno what to tell you).

Me personally, the soundtrack is exactly what I'd thought it would be so im not disappointed but im not exactly thrilled as I do expect most of the tunes to repeat itself throughout the game. But if I ever do get tired of the music, I can always import songs from the older Castlevania titles.


That makes 3 of us.


Add me as the 4th ranger.

And is it me or is the forum slow as hell lately?
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Post by: crisis on February 08, 2014, 08:53:26 PM
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And is it me or is the forum slow as hell lately?

somebody clogged the toilet, again
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 08, 2014, 08:58:35 PM
Add me as the 4th ranger.

And me like the 5th man in discord.

 
And is it me or is the forum slow as hell lately?

 Yeah, really slow load.
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Post by: Dremn on February 08, 2014, 11:01:22 PM
I...can't help but feel disappointed by the music too. I expected exactly what I heard before I even hit play, but I guess I was hoping for something with more melody like the old music.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 08, 2014, 11:51:17 PM
I...can't help but feel disappointed by the music too. I expected exactly what I heard before I even hit play, but I guess I was hoping for something with more melody like the old music.

I didn't expect more melody... But I did expect electronic... I WAS PROMISED ELECTRONIC
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 09, 2014, 12:08:56 AM

 Yeah, really slow load.

So i am not the only one with the problem. I originally thought my internet service provider is slow.

I didn't expect more melody... But I did expect electronic... I WAS PROMISED ELECTRONIC

Do not expect all promises to be delivered. Especially with the LoS saga.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 09, 2014, 12:32:09 AM
The sound quality of the samples is horrifying. I know there are some space requirements, but c'mon, that's like 56kbs.
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Post by: somasworld on February 09, 2014, 04:47:53 AM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Gabriel becomes a kid at the very end of LOS2 = Cox spoiled the end with his new twitter-account :( :( :( :(

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
he spoiled the end because his new twitter account is kid-dracul  not kid-dracula !!!

i hate such big terrible spoilers :( :(



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Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 09, 2014, 04:58:39 AM
I've heard via the CVLOS2 fb group that apparently another 12 tracks will be added to the soundtrack.  If anyone else is on there, it's one of the comments in reply to my post with the amazon listing.  I then found the sumthing.com listing for the soundtrack.  I had been poking around trying to find whether there were any any listings yet for the ost, which so far I'm really liking.  I hope though that the song used in the cinematic trailer features in it, as that's one of my favourites.

Sorry I didn't post it here first.  I've been trying to avoid this thread as much as posisble to try and avoid too many major spoilers... Well, I've already had one spoiler ruined for me by looking through the artwork folder on the fb group from the Paris exhibit and realising it wasn't spoiler-free. ¬_¬
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Post by: Intersection on February 09, 2014, 06:23:18 AM
This is the first time I read something coming from you that isn't garbage... I actually agree with you 100%

Listen, I'm genuinely sorry if anything I've written in the past has alienated you (the same to you, e105beta), and I can assure you that fostering disagreement never figured among my original intentions -- but it also happens that calling my posts "garbage" isn't something that will help me, you, or this community build some semblance of a meaningful discussion. I could say the same for everything I've seen of you write -- but where would that get us? Nowhere.
I'm glad that we do share common ground here, and to be honest that's all I really care about. Even if we don't see eye to eye on some other related matters, I don't want that permeating into every post I see from you in the future, because that just isn't how this kind of a forum is supposed to function. I'm also a much bigger fan of LoS than what you seem to think, so hold your horses for a second and you might realize that our opinions aren't as incompatible as you've made them out to be.



So i am not the only one with the problem. I originally thought my internet service provider is slow.
Well that's a relief. I'd also assumed my internet connection had taken a hit...

Well, I've already had one spoiler ruined for me by looking through the artwork folder on the fb group from the Paris exhibit and realising it wasn't spoiler-free. ¬_¬
Wait, there's a Paris exhibition? Why haven't I heard of it? I could actually go see it at this point...
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 09, 2014, 06:35:02 AM
I think it might have been a one night only event.  I think it might have been an invite-only.  There aren't a huge number of guests visible in the photos.  It's the one from which some pictures of the French Konami division cosplaying a mx of LoS characters and old timeline chars appeared on Cox's twitter.  There were some very pretty paintings.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 09, 2014, 06:53:10 AM
I think it might have been a one night only event.  I think it might have been an invite-only.  There aren't a huge number of guests visible in the photos.  It's the one from which some pictures of the French Konami division cosplaying a mx of LoS characters and old timeline chars appeared on Cox's twitter.  There were some very pretty paintings.
It lasts one month.
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 09, 2014, 07:00:43 AM
Thanks!  ;D

Now to find a way to get to Paris... 
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Post by: crisis on February 09, 2014, 07:06:10 AM
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Gabriel becomes a kid at the very end of LOS2 = Cox spoiled the end with his new twitter-account :( :( :( :(

OMG so teh brotherhood gathers the Dargon balls and wishes Darcul back to chibi form!!! like in the anime ever DBZGT!!!!!it makes sense cox you sly fox you i called it from the start but as always none of you believe me

o yeah 1 more thing u better learn to love the LoS2 ost or suffer the consequences >:(

Castlevania: Lament of Innocence (Extra Parts Pumpkin Subweapons) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrG904qu7Y#)
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Post by: Nagumo on February 09, 2014, 07:13:52 AM
Listen, I'm genuinely sorry if anything I've written in the past has alienated you (the same to you, e105beta), and I can assure you that fostering disagreement never figured among my original intentions -- but it also happens that calling my posts "garbage" isn't something that will help me, you, or this community build some semblance of a meaningful discussion. I could say the same for everything I've seen of you write -- but where would that get us? Nowhere.
I'm glad that we do share common ground here, and to be honest that's all I really care about. Even if we don't see eye to eye on some other related matters, I don't want that permeating into every post I see from you in the future, because that just isn't how this kind of a forum is supposed to function. I'm also a much bigger fan of LoS than what you seem to think, so hold your horses for a second and you might realize that our opinions aren't as incompatible as you've made them out to be.

Let's keep it at that. If anyone has to more to say, please take it to PM. While we're at it, let's stop calling each other's posts garbage as well.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 09, 2014, 07:32:43 AM
I find the tiny ost samples more melodic and less "static notes plagued" than los' style, I don't get where do you get yhe hate, you know what was coming, and at least this one sounds kinda different.

And being 100% honest I expect that child theory to be true and in the last frame the father calling the son "Mathias".
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Post by: crisis on February 09, 2014, 07:40:06 AM
yes the lords of shadows soundtrack was meant to bring tears to you're eyes
not make you dance  >:(
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Post by: Kingshango on February 09, 2014, 08:15:31 AM


And being 100% honest I expect that child theory to be true and in the last frame the father calling the son "Mathias".

Or Soma.
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Post by: Intersection on February 09, 2014, 08:18:38 AM
Incidentally, does anyone know exactly where the Paris exposition is being hosted?
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Post by: Maedhros on February 09, 2014, 09:13:48 AM
I don't really have a problem with orchestrated soundtracks. But yeah, LoS soundtrack is too ambient for my liking. Something like Soul Sacrifice have a stronger sense of melody than almost everything in LoS.

Of course, exceptions exist on both.

4. A Certain Magician's Life [Susan Deyhim] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DniPkt2Xmgs#ws)
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Post by: Belmontoya on February 09, 2014, 09:51:41 AM
I've been listening to the LOS soundtrack a lot while spriting this week, and it's actually starting to grow on me more. It's got a really cool balance of abrasiveness and fragility. It really does take you down a river of emotion while listening to it. Through choppy and calm waters, and sometimes down water falls.

Listening to it without playing the game gives you a chance to pick up on a lot of the awesome details. 

I'm planning to do a few new renditions of past Castlevania songs in our game. It is mainly all new music, but I think a few remakes of some of the lesser known songs that I think are really great would be nice to do. I've just added Belmont's Theme to that list.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 09, 2014, 10:16:29 AM
yes the lords of shadows soundtrack was meant to bring tears to you're eyes
not make you dance  >:(

Well, that mediocre soundtrack almost bring tears to my eyes.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 09, 2014, 10:19:45 AM
Incidentally, does anyone know exactly where the Paris exposition is being hosted?
In "Le dernier bar avant la fin du monde" (lit. The Last Bar Before the End of the World"). 19 Avenue Victoria, in Paris ‎.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 09, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
Well, that mediocre soundtrack almost bring tears to my eyes.
Aye, tears of disappointment! Disappointment DOES make one sad, and sadness IS an emotion, so I guess they've accomplished what they set out to do, in the same way the Crazy Taxi theme annoys to the point of anger.
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Post by: Dremn on February 09, 2014, 12:23:46 PM
16 days left. :)
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Post by: Kingshango on February 09, 2014, 12:39:29 PM
And the demo goes public on Tuesday (I think, sometime this week at least).

Oh and I should mention that someone on /v/ has the game is doing a Q&A.

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 09, 2014, 12:42:19 PM
Tuesday can't come soon enough!
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 09, 2014, 12:44:19 PM
Already lost. Summary please.
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Post by: Dremn on February 09, 2014, 01:01:55 PM
And the demo goes public on Tuesday (I think, sometime this week at least).

Oh and I should mention that someone on /v/ has the game is doing a Q&A.

(click to show/hide)
Holy shit, someone got it early?  :o
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 09, 2014, 01:03:21 PM
Holy shit, someone got it early?  :o
Reviewer.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 09, 2014, 01:04:40 PM
Already lost. Summary please.

-He says that the combat feels better than it did in LOS1
-Atmosphere wise, it feels like Castlevania than LOS1 did at least
-He feels that the modern setting look good outside but is not a fan of the generic interiors like the lab and factories
-Music is similar to the first one with techno synths mixed in (as most were expecting)
-He's playing the PC version, which runs well (doing as no QTE run)
-So far the game is non linear but not as open world as a metroidvania
-He's only played 7 hours of it but if he had to give it a score, he'd give it a 7/10 and states that it's enjoyable (aside from the stealth stuff) but if your a fan of the first game, you'll love LOS2
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Post by: Flame on February 09, 2014, 01:06:50 PM
And yet still no PC preorder.

They've really dropped the ball on this. It's almost disgusting, and it's really pissing me off. All we get is " SOON™ " without any actual addressing the matter. They said preorders were open, and showed all 3 versions as ready for preorder, and yet the PC preorders are missing, and remain so, this late.

I wish they would say something. Some kind of "sorry about that, we're having trouble" or something. That PC preorder bonus better be fucking good.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 09, 2014, 01:12:35 PM
And yet still no PC preorder.

They've really dropped the ball on this. It's almost disgusting, and it's really pissing me off. All we get is " SOON™ " without any actual addressing the matter. They said preorders were open, and showed all 3 versions as ready for preorder, and yet the PC preorders are missing, and remain so, this late.

I wish they would say something. Some kind of "sorry about that, we're having trouble" or something. That PC preorder bonus better be fucking good.

PC preorders are suppose to go up this week I think.
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Post by: Belmontoya on February 09, 2014, 01:18:20 PM
I would just be happy that they're doing a PC release at all. When has Castlevania ever been a PC game?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 09, 2014, 01:23:34 PM
I would just be happy that they're doing a PC release at all. When has Castlevania ever been a PC game?
The very first one :P

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Felblogdemanu.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2006%2F12%2Fvampire_killer_-konami-_front.jpg&hash=da8b00f96d9d0d4bf65a7a90e894323b)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 09, 2014, 01:28:23 PM
And yet still no PC preorder.

They've really dropped the ball on this. It's almost disgusting, and it's really pissing me off. All we get is " SOON™ " without any actual addressing the matter. They said preorders were open, and showed all 3 versions as ready for preorder, and yet the PC preorders are missing, and remain so, this late.

I wish they would say something. Some kind of "sorry about that, we're having trouble" or something. That PC preorder bonus better be fucking good.
My bet: it drops on Tuesday on Steam, and the bonus is MoF HD on PC.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 09, 2014, 01:31:41 PM
That guy is telling us everything we already knew.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 09, 2014, 01:35:19 PM
-He says that the combat feels better than it did in LOS1
-Atmosphere wise, it feels like Castlevania than LOS1 did at least
-He feels that the modern setting look good outside but is not a fan of the generic interiors like the lab and factories
-Music is similar to the first one with techno synths mixed in (as most were expecting)
-He's playing the PC version, which runs well (doing as no QTE run)
-So far the game is non linear but not as open world as a metroidvania
-He's only played 7 hours of it but if he had to give it a score, he'd give it a 7/10 and states that it's enjoyable (aside from the stealth stuff) but if your a fan of the first game, you'll love LOS2
Thanks man. Sounds ok.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on February 09, 2014, 01:37:37 PM
The very first one :P

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Felblogdemanu.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2006%2F12%2Fvampire_killer_-konami-_front.jpg&hash=da8b00f96d9d0d4bf65a7a90e894323b)

Touché. Touché.   :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 09, 2014, 03:06:21 PM
Could someone please link me to that page where this guy answers questions?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 09, 2014, 03:21:01 PM
if your a fan of the first game, you'll love LOS2

 So I will love it deeply  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 09, 2014, 04:06:55 PM
how deep will you love it, exactly  o.o;
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 09, 2014, 04:11:26 PM
Could someone please link me to that page where this guy answers questions?

http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/230940418/#q230949983 (http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/230940418/#q230949983)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: dienekes96 on February 09, 2014, 07:31:35 PM
- ... but if your a fan of the first game, you'll love LOS2
That is more than enough for me.  Apologies that my first post is essentially a "me too", but after the initial 6 from GI, I started to worry a bit.  This is my most anticipated game since the LOS2 teaser hit in the late spring of 2012.  That is a long time to wait, so I'd like the wait to be worth it.

It is nice to temper expectations, but I'd still like to be excited.  Although a bit self-serving, if the game works for the fans of LoS, I'll consider that a rousing success.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 09, 2014, 08:34:00 PM
1 thing i do miss about the metroid-style games, are all the unique death animations. i love how every enemy either had a quick death with their limbs flailing, or a long drawn-out bloodbath screaming loudly, and everything in between

its a shame we'll prolly never see little details like this again (or at least, in the 3D games)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 09, 2014, 08:47:41 PM
1 thing i do miss about the metroid-style games, are all the unique death animations. i love how every enemy either had a quick death with their limbs flailing, or a long drawn-out bloodbath screaming loudly, and everything in between

its a shame we'll prolly never see little details like this again (or at least, in the 3D games)
Baffles me why they never chose to follow up SotN with another Metroidvania on the PS1(or even PS2). It was like, "Okay, Castlevania team, you guys did good with SotN! Made the CV series cool again and made the CV series interesting to new fans... so work on handheld games! Yup!". Don't get me wrong, I love the handheld games(some more than others), but I think how much cooler it would've been if IGA wasn't pushed(or pushed himself) to do two mediocre 3D CV game and spent that budget and effort doing some pretty quality 2D CV stuff for the PS2. Is it really because Sony had some beef against non-3D games(strange because of games like Odin Sphere, Guilty Gear and such, which utilize 2D graphics)? If so, I can't help to think anybody that subscribed to that notion hindered the great things that could've been. Hell, I still feel that way now regarding some things with the newere consoles(and how some people think you should ONLY make games for them if "these" qualifications are met). Such mind set is poisonous to all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TheAcer on February 09, 2014, 08:52:38 PM
I'm getting the impression that MS shot themselves in the foot by adding badly implemented stealth sections/mechanics into the game. If that's the case, it's ironic as they had easy access to MGS veteran devs or god damn Hideo Kojima himself to ask for advice from.

I wouldn't be surprised if this game generally gets 6s and 7s from reviewers across the board because of this matter.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 09, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
Baffles me why they never chose to follow up SotN with another Metroidvania on the PS1(or even PS2). It was like, "Okay, Castlevania team, you guys did good with SotN! Made the CV series cool again and made the CV series interesting to new fans... so work on handheld games! Yup!". Don't get me wrong, I love the handheld games(some more than others), but I think how much cooler it would've been if IGA wasn't pushed(or pushed himself) to do two mediocre 3D CV game and spent that budget and effort doing some pretty quality 2D CV stuff for the PS2. Is it really because Sony had some beef against non-3D games(strange because of games like Odin Sphere, Guilty Gear and such, which utilize 2D graphics)? If so, I can't help to think anybody that subscribed to that notion hindered the great things that could've been. Hell, I still feel that way now regarding some things with the newere consoles(and how some people think you should ONLY make games for them if "these" qualifications are met). Such mind set is poisonous to all.

I actually think it was a very good idea to make 3D on consoles and 2D on handhelds. Even now I think they should keep doing that. Especially with modern handhelds. I just think Iga and his henchmen fucked it up as far as the 3D goes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 09, 2014, 09:09:46 PM
I actually think it was a very good idea to make 3D on consoles and 2D on handhelds. Even now I think they should keep doing that. Especially with modern handhelds. I just think Iga and his henchmen fucked it up as far as the 3D goes.
I don't. I think IGA and his team just weren't capable of doing good 3D, regardless. It's one of those, "Stick to what you're good at." situations. Same for MS regarding MoF. IMO, 3D ideals just don't work on a 2D plane(which WAS MoF in a nutshell, a 2D game that tried to play like the 3D LoS game that came before it). Now, I'm not saying there shouldn't have ben any movement to establish the series in 3D, it just shouldn't have been done by IGA. The thing is, handheld-wise, even his best DS CVs(even GBA ones) feel limited, IMO. It's like, they could've been so much more had they been given the budget of SotN and the graphics and sound quality of a PS1 or even a PS2 game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on February 09, 2014, 09:31:15 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fgameinformer2014-03088ksrk.jpg&hash=4f487e1a8047bcb27c5d53d94e91bc3f) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=gameinformer2014-03088ksrk.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 09, 2014, 09:37:59 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2Fgameinformer2014-03088ksrk.jpg&hash=4f487e1a8047bcb27c5d53d94e91bc3f) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=gameinformer2014-03088ksrk.jpg)

As soon as I got to the part where he says "It's a decent God of War clone" I immediatly stopped reading. Jeff Cork is now on my reviewer shit list.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: EstebanT on February 09, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
As soon as I got to the part where he says "It's a decent God of War clone" I immediatly stopped reading. Jeff Cork is now on my reviewer shit list.

You would think someone who gets paid to review videogames would know enough about videogame history to know not every hack and slash is a god of war clone....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on February 09, 2014, 10:08:46 PM
I'm so sick of that comparison.

The first time I played a God of War game one of the first things I said to my brother was, "Wow, this really reminds me of a Castlevania game."

It's like saying Paul McCartney's new music is an Oasis clone. Come on people!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 09, 2014, 10:55:47 PM
Baffles me why they never chose to follow up SotN with another Metroidvania on the PS1(or even PS2). It was like, "Okay, Castlevania team, you guys did good with SotN! Made the CV series cool again and made the CV series interesting to new fans... so work on handheld games! Yup!". Don't get me wrong, I love the handheld games(some more than others), but I think how much cooler it would've been if IGA wasn't pushed(or pushed himself) to do two mediocre 3D CV game and spent that budget and effort doing some pretty quality 2D CV stuff for the PS2. Is it really because Sony had some beef against non-3D games(strange because of games like Odin Sphere, Guilty Gear and such, which utilize 2D graphics)? If so, I can't help to think anybody that subscribed to that notion hindered the great things that could've been. Hell, I still feel that way now regarding some things with the newere consoles(and how some people think you should ONLY make games for them if "these" qualifications are met). Such mind set is poisonous to all.

My guess is they wanted to bring the SoTN gameplay style to handhelds, and when the first two did well, (one not being an IGA game) Aria happened.

I guess they decided to stick to handhelds to be safe after that, or the games started selling less than SoTN, and by Dawn, just got stuck there because they stopped moving the same numbers, and the 3D experiments kept failing, and they probably figured that a 2D game on the PS2 wouldn't work.

basically, a downward spiral from one harmless idea of going handheld.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 09, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Don't rely on reviews only. Be your own judge.

That goes for everything in you life too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 10, 2014, 01:26:29 AM
Is the link to that /v/ thread with CV Infos  for anyone else not working anymore?  :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 10, 2014, 03:53:53 AM

 A three paragraph review, woau, the most profesional and serious review that I have ever read (shit, I lost 2 minutes of my life).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 10, 2014, 06:36:15 AM
Hey there.
I've got an important question regarding that thread on /v/ with the reviewer: He didn't answer my question yet. Actually no new questions showed up at all. I can hardly imagine that noone else posted anything new. Is it becauseit is an Archive link and it only Shows the entire discussion till this oint. While I could post a question it is marked as a ghost reply whateve this is supposed to mean.

So if it still goes on somewhere how can I find it? 4chan looks so unorganized with stuff being posted about all sort of things.
Any tips for me? :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 10, 2014, 07:12:34 AM
 Hands on of Gametrailers. Please, someone could make a summary? I don't understand too well the spoke english.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/hogbb9/thanks-for-playing--castlevania--lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-discussion (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/hogbb9/thanks-for-playing--castlevania--lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-discussion)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 07:59:14 AM
Hands on of Gametrailers. Please, someone could make a summary? I don't understand too well the spoke english.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/hogbb9/thanks-for-playing--castlevania--lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-discussion (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/hogbb9/thanks-for-playing--castlevania--lords-of-shadow-2-hands-on-discussion)

The general idea is that LoS2 is "weird" and not like traditional Castlevania in its thematic elements.

He cites the stealth as something very un-Castlevania, though he doesn't quite attack it as bad, just simplistic.

He also mentions the robot suits as bizarre, and says that the religious themes, i.e. God vs Satan and Angels vs Demons as something that seemed pretty weird to him.

He said he liked the combat and that there appeared to be a LOT of moves you can unlock, though worries the mastery system might force players to spam certain moves to unlock new moves.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 10, 2014, 09:11:57 AM
Uuuuugh that's a TERRIBLE preview, a bunch of nerds saying durr durr we didn't see this coming this is surprising this doesn't seem plausible in the setting it's too crazy derp". I lost all hope if this is what itis going to be. This is not your typical AAA, assholes, it doesn't have to be what you EXPECT to be. Ugh.

The worst part is how they mock the game, like saying "this is so kiddy, robot voice hurr durr" that stupid smug face is always mocking the game, as if he could do better, or anything but being an armchair designer. Holy fuck, my ears hurt AND I want to punch someone.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 10, 2014, 09:53:38 AM
So any new discussions going on on 4chan?
Again I just ask because after my reply yesterday evening there are no new posts showing up on the thread linked here, the alst one being me asking for any Titans fights you encounter.

 http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/230940418/#q230949983 (http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/230940418/#q230949983)

Thus I wonder if the discussion just stopped there and noone kept dropping in asking any new questions or if the link being entitled as "Archive" doesn't Show any new Posts.

If this is the case could anyone knowing that mess that is 4chan (at least for me never having been on this site before) explain to me how I might find further LoS 2 discussion?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 09:54:31 AM
I understand how having fans of the series review the games would be horrible. But it seems like anyone reviewing the game from IGN to gameinformer have no clue about the past of the series at all. All I hear is "God of War hur" and "Modern isnt Castlevania durrr"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 10, 2014, 10:05:50 AM
Uuuuugh that's a TERRIBLE preview, a bunch of nerds saying durr durr we didn't see this coming this is surprising this doesn't seem plausible in the setting it's too crazy derp". I lost all hope if this is what itis going to be. This is not your typical AAA, assholes, it doesn't have to be what you EXPECT to be. Ugh.

The worst part is how they mock the game, like saying "this is so kiddy, robot voice hurr durr" that stupid smug face is always mocking the game, as if he could do better, or anything but being an armchair designer. Holy fuck, my ears hurt AND I want to punch someone.

 You hit the target Ahasverus; 2 nerds guys (I and sure that one of them haven't social life) tie up with the past of the saga, still can't see that LoS is a reboot, not conected with IGA games. This kind of "profesionals reviewers" are who will fuck LoS 2 notes with coments like "God of War meet assassins creed and DmC". AWESOME...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 10:18:26 AM
Uuuuugh that's a TERRIBLE preview, a bunch of nerds saying durr durr we didn't see this coming this is surprising this doesn't seem plausible in the setting it's too crazy derp". I lost all hope if this is what itis going to be. This is not your typical AAA, assholes, it doesn't have to be what you EXPECT to be. Ugh.

The worst part is how they mock the game, like saying "this is so kiddy, robot voice hurr durr" that stupid smug face is always mocking the game, as if he could do better, or anything but being an armchair designer. Holy fuck, my ears hurt AND I want to punch someone.

While there's precedent for the inclusion of robots in Castlevania, I can still kind of understand their reactions about the demon robot soldiers. It's new, and it's different, but then again so is the modern setting. If anything, it's impressive that I keep hearing that the modern outside doesn't even come off as being that modern.

What completely baffles me, though, is their reaction to the religious themes. It's goddamn Castlevania, of course there are going to be religious themes. And how is a flying paladin in golden armor any weirder than an Amalaric Sniper? That's not even the most bizarre enemy that's been in a Castlevania game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 10, 2014, 10:38:54 AM
They act surprise, like as if the Lords of Shadow series an alternate series or something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 10, 2014, 10:43:08 AM
Ah, "professional" reviewers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 10, 2014, 11:52:12 AM
Honestly, that little preview sounded fair to me. Whenever I talk to my friends or other people about LoS they always bring up that it's not the Castlevania they're familiar with or particularly like.

One thing I have to agree with them is Mercury Steam not trusting the player enough, the on screen prompts always seem kinda "duhhh no shit" to me, and that's not an issue that's exclusive to just MS. It's a problem that's very rampant in a lot of video games today. Maybe it's because the devs really don't trust the player, or they're level design just isn't smart/clever enough for someone to look at and go "oh, I get it." It varies.

For a series that started off as a Barbarian whipping candles hunting B list horror movie monsters, "weird" is a fair assessment of LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 10, 2014, 12:07:40 PM
I just do not get it. I really don't why can't cv be different? why is it that people call themself's reviewers. This game is going to fail because of lack of common sense. Why is it that not one of these reviewers/previewers not mention the history of the franchise you know 25+ years instead of saying wahh wahh it's not symphony or it's a God of war clone how can you be a fan of the series and say that it's... mmmm. Fools ruin a good thing and while sometimes all what you need is one bad seed, in this case it's a bunch of seeds that think they know but really, don't know anything and it's just completely baffling. and then there's the folks that accept their opinion as fact and pass it. This makes me sad how critics in gaming are really a pity. If I wanted to become a reviewer or previewer I should just jump in instead of watching the professionals because I would pose the possibility of becoming just as bad as them. 

Mind you I have not watched it but reading the comments here is just.... I gotta go see y'all later. I think you all feel what I feel.

Such a disappointment that people will destroy something and then mock it because it's different I wonder if this individual would mock megami tensei then? 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 10, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
Demonic robots fit Castlevania more than some of the enemies in SOTN on the Saturn. *looks at enemies in the Underground Garden*

Seriously, though, just because it's in the modern setting does not make it a bad game. Sounds like people are criticizing the game for not appealing to fans of the previous Castlevania games and for it being something that it isn't. Even if it is similar to God of War, (I haven't played GoW, for various reasons) a good reviewer would review the game based off of it's own merits, not what it's based off of or took inspiration from. As for the whole "game holds your hand" deal, they are letting you turn the tips off this time, something I am personally doing myself.

At this point, the whole "modern city, it's not Castlevania!" complaint is starting to sound like the hate that Metal Gear Rising gets due to it being a hack-n'-slash compared to previous Metal Gear outings. Castlevania Lords of Shadow is not the same as the Castlevania that people saw in 1997. Mercurysteam's take on Castlevania is it's own, separate thing from Konami and IGA's takes on Castlevania. They should have reviewed it as such. I know that's how I'd review it.

I was going to watch the video, but I was busy with some stuff, and the comments seem to sum up what the reviewers are saying fairly well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 10, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Keep in mind that previews are only meant to share a few personal impressions, and don't constitute a professional critique. So in essence, those "nerd guys" aren't any less justified in their opinions then we are.  It's also hardly surprising to see someone describe LoS2 as "weird"; by any Castlevania standard, Lords of Shadow is very weird indeed.

As the GI appreciation, I'll grant you that a 6/10 review is hardly a good way to start the cycle, but I'd wait until LoS2 actually comes out before starting to "durr-durr" my way through it. No one will be able tell how accurate the score is until the game is released, so it's pointless to start complaining early.


Incidentally, those angry people who insist on calling LoS a God of War clone aren't as unreasonable as you'd think; you can't reduce this CV subseries to a fit of plagiarism, but you also can't deny that Lords borrows heavily from other successful franchises -- God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, and Devil May Cry among others. It's a very thin line to tread, anyhow; few modern hack n'slash games can escape the inevitable GoW comparison.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 10, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
So any new discussions going on on 4chan?
Again I just ask because after my reply yesterday evening there are no new posts showing up on the thread linked here, the alst one being me asking for any Titans fights you encounter.

 http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/230940418/#q230949983 (http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/230940418/#q230949983)

Thus I wonder if the discussion just stopped there and noone kept dropping in asking any new questions or if the link being entitled as "Archive" doesn't Show any new Posts.

If this is the case could anyone knowing that mess that is 4chan (at least for me never having been on this site before) explain to me how I might find further LoS 2 discussion?
that site is an archive. of course no new posts appear.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on February 10, 2014, 01:02:01 PM
I find it funny how people want a game named "CASTLEVANIA" to not be judged by the standards of what a CASTLEVANIA game is.

Want to create your own game and have it judged by the premise it proposes without comparisons being made? Please, create your own IP.

Castlevania LoS "is" a Castlevania game (haha). Thus, expect a lot of lines to be drawn from it to the originals. If it fails to be a Castlevania game, expect it to be pointed out. And this game fails miserably at being a Castlevania, from the soundtrack to the plot.

However, it succeeds immensely as a Lords of Shadow game. A shame it is called "Castlevania". It WILL be judged as a Castlevania.

What...? "Reboot"? Please tell me how saying the word "reboot" allows you to do whatever the hell you wish to any game you want, like "rebooting" Mario and changing everything you ever knew about the game just because you said "reboot". This is no excuse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 10, 2014, 01:10:28 PM
by all means tell me: what makes a Castlevania game? what is essential to a cv game?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 01:15:09 PM
Keep in mind that previews are only meant to share a few personal impressions, and don't constitute a professional critique. So in essence, those "nerd guys" aren't any less justified in their opinions then we are.  It's also hardly surprising to see someone describe LoS2 as "weird"; by any Castlevania standard, Lords of Shadow is very weird indeed.

As the GI appreciation, I'll grant you that a 6/10 review is hardly a good way to start the cycle, but I'd wait until LoS2 actually comes out before starting to "durr-durr" my way through it. No one will be able tell how accurate the score is until the game is released, so it's pointless to start complaining early.


Incidentally, those angry people who insist on calling LoS a God of War clone aren't as unreasonable as you'd think; you can't reduce this CV subseries to a fit of plagiarism, but you also can't deny that Lords borrows heavily from other successful franchises -- God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, and Devil May Cry among others. It's a very thin line to tread, anyhow; few modern hack n'slash games can escape the inevitable GoW comparison.

You are aware lament of innocence, castlevania 64, and legacy of darkness are pre god of war right? Just making sure....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 10, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
weve had the "what makes castlevania castlevania" debates mad times already, what can be said that hasnt already been said?

that said, y are so many getting upset & discombobulated from reading/watching these reviews that you knew what to expect, you knew exactly how they were gonna approach it just like they did with los1, the god of war comparions & such*. its like you knew what they were gonna say about the game, but still get disappointed from what they say, i dont get it :-X

it is what it is, los saga has divided fans from the start & loox like gonna be no different with los2. im sure ill still enjoy it regardless (although that 1 "messy" stealth section every1 keeps complaining about has me a bit worried)


*concerning the gow comparisons, it is true there have been many games that predate the god of war-esque style, but since god of war's release, god of war has been the gold standard for that type of genre, and not even the latest Devil May Cry games have been looked at the same since DMC3. until a game is released that is on par or perhaps surpasses god of war in terms of everything, those certain types of games will always be considered "inferior" or "another gow clone," it's just the way it is for now. its annoying, yes, but it's also temporary, and we just gotta deal with it. i know this is subjective, as many would argue gow has already been surpassed, but not many games have seen the success god of war has seen [in the action/hack-n-slash/platformer genre, anyway]
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 10, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
You are aware lament of innocence, castlevania 64, and legacy of darkness are pre god of war right? Just making sure....

To be fair none of those games had chain whipping mechanics.

All of their whips felt like just that......whips.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 10, 2014, 01:24:57 PM
as far as cv goes, a whip is a whip. chain or leather. loi played ver similarly to los in the combat dept.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 01:27:22 PM
To be fair none of those games had chain whipping mechanics.

All of their whips felt like just that......whips.

You have got to be kidding me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
Honestly, that little preview sounded fair to me. Whenever I talk to my friends or other people about LoS they always bring up that it's not the Castlevania they're familiar with or particularly like.

One thing I have to agree with them is Mercury Steam not trusting the player enough, the on screen prompts always seem kinda "duhhh no shit" to me, and that's not an issue that's exclusive to just MS. It's a problem that's very rampant in a lot of video games today. Maybe it's because the devs really don't trust the player, or they're level design just isn't smart/clever enough for someone to look at and go "oh, I get it." It varies.

For a series that started off as a Barbarian whipping candles hunting B list horror movie monsters, "weird" is a fair assessment of LoS2.

See, I get that it's different, and that it's not what fans have grown accustomed to over the last 11 or so years, but Castlevania has changed a LOT over the 25+ years it has been around. I don't see anything in LoS2 that is so particularly "weird" that it doesn't seem Castlevania. Demons, flying armor, robots, homunculous, giant flying jellyfish, Greek gods and monsters, Egyptian mythology, Hindu mythology, American urban legends, giant robotic centaurs, a maid with a vacuum cleaner, etc; these are all things that have been added to the series since the series inception. I don't see what's so ridiculous about a demon robot soldier, a flying golden paladin, a clockwork titan, or religious themes (which isn't even really new).

I mean, I expect to see the stealth come up as something uncharacteristic, and it has, but outside of that, I just don't see it. At least not in LoS2. LoS had a bit more of a generic fantasy theme in some of the areas, but that seems to have been wholly rectified in LoS2.

Keep in mind that previews are only meant to share a few personal impressions, and don't constitute a professional critique. So in essence, those "nerd guys" aren't any less justified in their opinions then we are.  It's also hardly surprising to see someone describe LoS2 as "weird"; by any Castlevania standard, Lords of Shadow is very weird indeed.

As the GI appreciation, I'll grant you that a 6/10 review is hardly a good way to start the cycle, but I'd wait until LoS2 actually comes out before starting to "durr-durr" my way through it. No one will be able tell how accurate the score is until the game is released, so it's pointless to start complaining early.


Incidentally, those angry people who insist on calling LoS a God of War clone aren't as unreasonable as you'd think; you can't reduce this CV subseries to a fit of plagiarism, but you also can't deny that Lords borrows heavily from other successful franchises -- God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, and Devil May Cry among others. It's a very thin line to tread, anyhow; few modern hack n'slash games can escape the inevitable GoW comparison.

I may just be particular, but I think it's possible to draw comparisons to God of War without reducing it to "clone" status. Clone implies that the game is merely derivative and lacking almost entirely in creativity, which I don't think LoS is.

Case in point, nobody called Symphony of the Night a "Metroid clone", instead it got its own moniker to denote that it was still a Castlevania, only now with Metroid elements.

IMO, all the semantics revolve around reception. SotN and LoS came into the game under similar circumstances, but only the latter had to contend with the increasingly niche fanbase of the former. Classicvania was just losing fans all together, but Metroidvania created a super-fan for every fan it lost.

To be fair none of those games had chain whipping mechanics.

All of their whips felt like just that......whips.

To be fair, Castlevania had chain whips long before God of War was even a thought
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 10, 2014, 01:29:41 PM
as far as cv goes, a whip is a whip. chain or leather. loi played ver similarly to los in the combat dept.

Already knew that, its obvious really.

The point here is that he brought up LOI,CV64,and LOD as examples of 3d castlevania games that where out before God of War.

The thing is however that God of War still was the first to do the chain whipping mechanic first in 3D, something LOS is doing now.

Those 3 games where based on the leather whipping rather than chain whipping.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 10, 2014, 01:30:06 PM
So we're really having this "What is a Castlevania " argument again? (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fshaq2.png&hash=ce3de644fd1f5309a44975b4477fd6ef)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 10, 2014, 01:31:56 PM

To be fair, Castlevania had chain whips long before God of War was even a thought

Read and understand my posts more carefully, its obvious we are referring to chain whips on the 3.D plane.

You have got to be kidding me.

Lol great reply, if this is the kind of responses I can expect from you than maybe I should avoid trying to have actual discussions with you in the future.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 01:36:42 PM
Read and understand my posts more carefully, its obvious we are referring to chain whips on the 3.D plane.

Lol great reply, if this is the kind of responses I can expect from you than maybe I should avoid trying to have actual discussions with you in the future.

Leather or chain is such a stupid and specific detail.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 10, 2014, 01:39:54 PM
Leather or chain is such a stupid and specific detail.

Lol how so?

we are referring to game mechanics after all, the look and feel of swinging a leather whip on the 3.D plane is obviously different than swinging a chain one.

Just compare LOI and LOS gameplay mechanics to see what I meant.

My point is obviously going over your head, my point is that you can't use those 3 castlevania games as a basis to your argument of 3.D castlevania games being out before God of War and thus the LOS series did not take inspiration from it when really those three have nothing to do with the gameplay mechanic God of War and the LOS series happen to share.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 10, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
@e105beta AKA Big the Cat

concerning the "weird" enemy types, i agree its true none of them are alien to the series, since those types havent really been seen in the 3D side of the series, i could see why some would say they "dont belong" in castlevania especially in los2. theyre just simply uninformed about the franchise as a whole and how diverse the enemy cast has been. the 3D games monsters are largely inferior to the 2D games in terms of uniqueness and originality, although there are a few exceptions (motorcycle skeletons for instance)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 10, 2014, 01:45:57 PM
 @theplottwist, so you have in your hand, in your head, in your brain, what is the esence of a castlevania, what must be had a game to be a castlevania. Sure man.

 I was a really deep fan of Turok saga (I don't know if you meet it). I had Turok 1, Turok 2 and Turok 3 too. The 1 was great, and the 2 was the best with any doubt. The 3 was the worst of three, worst graphics, weapons, enemies... But was a turok (a turok is a man killing dinosaurs-dinozoids and another kind of monsters). When Turok was announced for PS3 I get bonner. The game was a reboot of the saga, still was a shooter, but in a new unniversy, without connection whit the others, without weird weapons, only killing dinosaurs (no monsters), but was still a Turok (remember, a man killing dinosaurs).
 The game was a bad shooter, and still a Turok (a bad turok).

 Castlevania have the most basic of a castlevania (try to found it in your heart) and are a great game. Fuck, I would had given a hand for a good reboot turok, a game whit a gameplay that works. Not import that hadn't any connection whit the olds Turok, only a game where you can kill dinosaurs with a nice gameplay. Who still waits a reboot that be the same that the olds tittles of a saga, they simply have a problem: CABEZONERÍA SUPINA.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 01:58:54 PM
@e105beta AKA Big the Cat

concerning the "weird" enemy types, i agree its true none of them are alien to the series, since those types havent really been seen in the 3D side of the series, i could see why some would say they "dont belong" in castlevania especially in los2. theyre just simply uninformed about the franchise as a whole and how diverse the enemy cast has been. the 3D games monsters are largely inferior to the 2D games in terms of uniqueness and originality, although there are a few exceptions (motorcycle skeletons for instance)

Finally someone gets the reference.

And I definitely agree with you there. The 3D games have tended to be pretty conservative in terms of enemy types, which is why I want to see whatever crazy shit MercurySteam has thought up for LoS2. That's part of the fun.

Like this guy:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.medialib.totalxbox.com%2Fscreens%2Fdir_382%2Fimage_38220_620.jpg&hash=0cd9f647147505d70e31fc1995dea4eb)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 10, 2014, 02:06:28 PM
Reviews that don't tell me what I want to hear are obviously terrible and written by poopie faces.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 10, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
15 days left and not a lot has leaked out, surprising.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Lol how so?

we are referring to game mechanics after all, the look and feel of swinging a leather whip on the 3.D plane is obviously different than swinging a chain one.

Just compare LOI and LOS gameplay mechanics to see what I meant.

My point is obviously going over your head, my point is that you can't use those 3 castlevania games as a basis to your argument of 3.D castlevania games being out before God of War and thus the LOS series did not take inspiration from it when really those three have nothing to do with the gameplay mechanic God of War and the LOS series happen to share.

Castlevania had 3D third person action adventure hack and slashes first.  Castlevania chain whips, secondary weapons, combos, puzzles, platforming, relics... Even Greek mythology first... I wonder who took inspiration from whom...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 10, 2014, 03:06:23 PM
Castlevania had 3D third person action adventure hack and slashes first.  Castlevania chain whips, secondary weapons, combos, puzzles, platforming, relics... Even Greek mythology first... I wonder who took inspiration from whom...

Lol no one is arguing the fact that God of War took some inspiration from Castlevania, in fact the creators of God of War even admit this.

What we are talking about now is you trying to deny that LOS took some inspiration from God of War, namely the chain whipping combat which causes many fans to point that out (much to some LOS fans dismay).

The whole point I was making earlier was you could not use those 3 games you listed when it had nothing to do with what people use to draw the comparison of LOS to GOW since neither of those 3 you listed had chain whipping combat mechanics.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 03:10:15 PM
Lol no one is arguing the fact that God of War took some inspiration from Castlevania, in fact the creators of God of War even admit this.

What we are talking about now is you trying to deny that LOS took some inspiration from God of War, namely the chain whipping combat which causes many fans to point that out (much to some LOS fans dismay).

The whole point I was making earlier was you could not use those 3 games you listed when it had nothing to do with what people use to draw the comparison of LOS to GOW since neither of those 3 you listed had chain whipping combat mechanics.

Lords of Shadow looks like Castlevania via God of War proxy?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 10, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Lords of Shadow looks like Castlevania via God of War proxy?

.....no

What drove you to that conclusion is beyond me.

I'm merely trying to help you understand where the comparison to God of War is coming from.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 03:19:41 PM
.....no

What drove you to that conclusion is beyond me.

I'm merely trying to help you understand where the comparison to God of War is coming from.

You said Lords of Shadow looks like God of War, and God of War took inspiration and looks like Castlevania.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 10, 2014, 03:33:28 PM
Of Course GoW, DmC, and LoS are going to be similar, did anyone forget that LoS is a Hack~n~Slash game? I know Cox said it was a million times now...

Rygar for Ps2 has Chain Physics 3 years before God of War, hell it has many elements that God of war has and did it better.

Just because A is more popular than B, and B is similar, does NOT mean B ripped off A.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 10, 2014, 03:42:33 PM
You said Lords of Shadow looks like God of War, and God of War took inspiration and looks like Castlevania.

I never said that, I said Lords of Shadow took inspiration from a gameplay mechanic used in God of War.

I never said that it looked like God of War and vice versa.

Look at it this way, LOS took gameplay inspiration from GOW while GOW took some aesthetic aspects from the previous CV games before it.

Thats not simply saying one looks like the other and so on.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
I think everyone just needs to agree that:

1. Castlevania had chain whips long before God of War
2. Castlevania and Rygar did 3D whip-like combat before God of War, but Castlevania's 3D outings stuck with leather whips
3. Castlevania helped inspire God of War, which the God of War devs have admitted
4. God of War stylized and popularized 3D combat using chain weapons
5. Lords of Shadow borrowed God of War's combat style and built on it

That's what game design is: it's iterative. Iteration after iteration after iteration. It's basically volley ball with design ideas. That's how genres get better, by borrowing ideas from previous games either in their own series or in rival series to create more fun, compelling gameplay.

Originality is overrated, and gameplay "purity" only works for Mario.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 10, 2014, 03:52:23 PM


1. Castlevania had chain whips long before God of War
2. Castlevania and Rygar did 3D whip-like combat before God of War, but Castlevania's 3D outings stuck with leather whips
3. Castlevania helped inspire God of War, which the God of War devs have admitted
4. God of War stylized and popularized 3D combat using chain weapons
5. Lords of Shadow borrowed God of War's combat style and built on it



agreed! ;D

Especially with 2,4 and 5 which was the main parts of my point that I was trying to get across through this whole thing that has dragged on for to long.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 03:56:00 PM
Sorry if I continue with all the stuff regarding GoW-LoS comparition... But I can´t be still without said my opinion...

The main complaint to me, to refer LoS a very similar game to GoW is not the whip-chain mechanic, no... is everything else!: the not-free camera from the first LoS, the ambience music, the QTE, the beast riding, the chain to move across obstacles, the fact that to have more energy, you must get a determined quantity of items (and for energy and magic, by the way), the puzzles (too much in the end, in my opinion)... We will see the diferences of LoS1 to LoS2 when we see Dracula and his blood whip :P in action...

...If DMC, PS2 Rygar, or the pre-3d Castlevanias has all that elements, to me they are all GoW clones... but they do not have it. And lets not talk about other games influences (PoP, SotC), because is pretty clear to the most of us here that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 04:16:09 PM
I think everyone just needs to agree that:

1. Castlevania had chain whips long before God of War
2. Castlevania and Rygar did 3D whip-like combat before God of War, but Castlevania's 3D outings stuck with leather whips
3. Castlevania helped inspire God of War, which the God of War devs have admitted
4. God of War stylized and popularized 3D combat using chain weapons
5. Lords of Shadow borrowed God of War's combat style and built on it

That's what game design is: it's iterative. Iteration after iteration after iteration. It's basically volley ball with design ideas. That's how genres get better, by borrowing ideas from previous games either in their own series or in rival series to create more fun, compelling gameplay.

Originality is overrated, and gameplay "purity" only works for Mario.

I agree. But please expand on number #5. Other than beast riding I see nothing else borrowed from the God of War series as far as combat goes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
I agree. But please expand on number #5. Other than beast riding I see nothing else borrowed from the God of War series as far as combat goes.

Hmm, the combat mechanics: the parry system? The relics? The way you make some puzzles? Ok, I understand...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 10, 2014, 04:26:17 PM
I liked when we had this debate.
In 2008.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 04:27:30 PM
Oh, and do not forget the QTE, for combat or to regenerate energy or magic, to open doors, to finish foes... and the list can go on...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 10, 2014, 04:29:47 PM
I liked when we had this debate.
In 2008.

2009 actually.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 10, 2014, 04:30:59 PM
Oh, and do not forget the QTE, for combat or to regenerate energy or magic, to open doors, to finish foes... and the list can go on...
The ones that don't exist anymore in 2 of the 3 games of the series? (Because they are turned off by default) Yeah.

Actually LoS was announced in 2008 and by that time some people were saying "It should be a CV because it has whips and monsters" and others were saying "that doesn't make it a Castlevania" and so on.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 04:31:57 PM
I liked when we had this debate.
In 2008.

Yeah, with the first LoS and all the reviews... But I think that the re open of the eternal debate is because the new reviews to LoS 2... This seems to not stop, maybe because we are talking of very similar games (both LoS 1 and 2), regarding Chain whip Gabriel and blood whip Dracula...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 04:33:47 PM
The ones that doesn't exist anymore in 2 of the 3 games of the series? Yeah.

Oh, they are not more QTE in MoF and LoS 2? Excuse me, I guess I was wrong. By the way, glad you have play LoS 2 to aseverate that...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 04:36:57 PM
The ones that don't exist anymore in 2 of the 3 games of the series? (Because they are turned off by default) Yeah.

Actually LoS was announced in 2008 and by that time some people were saying "It should be a CV because it has whips and monsters" and others were saying "that doesn't make it a Castlevania" and so on.

Jeje, good of you that edit your past comment... And I am not one of that people to want LoS become a Castlevania. I insist, that I prefer that LoS were a stand alone franchise with its own history...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 10, 2014, 04:40:42 PM
Jeje, good of you that edit your past comment... And I am not one of that people to want LoS become a Castlevania. I insist, that I prefer that LoS were a stand alone franchise with it own history...
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow and Castlevania are different series with their own story (for now)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 10, 2014, 04:41:27 PM
 Guys,  5 pages full of this over-exposed debate. This is really boring.

 My sentence: I import a pretty shit if LoS 1 take influences of GoW, why? Cause LoS 1 is like a thousands times better than GoW 3 (and sure, than those piece of nonsense calling Ascension).

 Go to bed, too burnt out my intelligence whit this topic for today.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 10, 2014, 04:49:52 PM
So apparently LOS2 has three different special editions for Europe.... America gets a Gamestop skin....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 10, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
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Cause LoS 1 is like a thousands times better than GoW 3
several ways to answer this

ehh i'd say theyre on par with each other
HELL fucking NO you must be smoking crack, and not the good kind
i disagree but i respect your opinion
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 04:55:10 PM
Guys,  5 pages full of this over-exposed debate. This is really boring.

 My sentence: I import a pretty shit if LoS 1 take influences of GoW, why? Cause LoS 1 is like a thousands times better than GoW 3 (and sure, than those piece of nonsense calling Ascension).

 Go to bed, too burnt out my intelligence whit this topic for today.

Sorry if I re open the debate. I know is over-exposed in the past.

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow and Castlevania are different series with their own story (for now)

Oh no, I hope that LoS remains as a stand alone story.

Siento si les ofendí, @Ahasverus and @cerebralbore, lo que menos quiero es pelear...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 04:56:09 PM
I liked when we had this debate.
In 2008.

Damn, has it really been 6 years?

Guess that would explain why Mike Belmont is bringing up all the same, refuted, tired old points. He joined in 2011.

So apparently LOS2 has three different special editions for Europe.... America gets a Gamestop skin....

I will never forgive Cox for his Britishness.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Damn, has it really been 6 years?

Guess that would explain why Mike Belmont is bringing up all the same, refuted, tired old points. He joined in 2011.


No, pal, I follow the Castlevania dungeon since 2001 without said a word... until 2011 when I join the forum... And I was not the one to brought back the same, "refuted" and tired old points, by the way...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 10, 2014, 05:01:39 PM
Está bien Mike, tu opinión es bastante común, y en cierta parte entendible, sólo que, cómo dicen por ahí, no hay qué llorar por la leche derramada.

----------------

So guys, what are you doing to ease the pain of these eternal days?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 10, 2014, 05:03:29 PM
why do people still shop at gamestop i hate that place

i mean, if its the only shop thats local then by all means

but srsly, they have a reputation of ripping off customers & shady business tactics when it comes to their "exclusive content," trade-ins, questionable used games policies, amongst others

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So guys, what are you doing to ease the pain of these eternal days?
i just stare at your photo all day long
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 10, 2014, 05:06:00 PM
Está bien Mike, tu opinión es bastante común, y en cierta parte entendible, sólo que, cómo dicen por ahí, no hay qué llorar por la leche derramada.

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So guys, what are you doing to ease the pain of these eternal days?

Thanks... the less thing that I do not want, is to become a grumpy hater...

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To ease the pain? I heard that tuesday is the day for the LoS 2 free demo, am I wrong? I want to test the game by myself...
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Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 05:13:22 PM
why do people still shop at gamestop i hate that place

i mean, if its the only shop thats local then by all means

but srsly, they have a reputation of ripping off customers & shady business tactics when it comes to their "exclusive content," trade-ins, questionable used games policies, amongst others
i just stare at your photo all day long

Because I'm lazy, and the closest non-Gamestop game store is 30-45 minutes away.

EDIT: Even better, I'm a Pro Rewards member. Eww.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 10, 2014, 05:24:22 PM
i just stare at your photo all day long
I know. I do the same.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 10, 2014, 05:45:28 PM
I will never forgive Cox for his Britishness.
Come on Konami USA! Be the ones to get the CV series NEXT so we can get all the special edition stuff!
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Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 05:48:17 PM
Come on Konami USA! Be the ones to get the CV series NEXT so we can get all the special edition stuff!

Hopefully their next proposal doesn't suck.
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Post by: Anglachel on February 10, 2014, 06:05:20 PM
Come on Konami USA! Be the ones to get the CV series NEXT so we can get all the special edition stuff!

It hasn't really been confirmed or denied that it's coming to North America. I would like to think that it is, especially since it's nearing release date. Then again, maybe the Tomb Edition hasn't been getting enough pre-orders, so they decided to release a "lite" version to win people over.

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Post by: crisis on February 10, 2014, 06:06:19 PM
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I know. I do the same.

Donny "Giovanni Ribisi" Dancing On The Movie Ted HD ᴴᴰ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJuzjwsR1WY#ws)
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 10, 2014, 06:08:43 PM
Come on Konami USA! Be the ones to get the CV series NEXT so we can get all the special edition stuff!
Castlevania Rises, ultra mega AWESOME cinematic First Person Shooter, set in New York.
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Post by: e105beta on February 10, 2014, 06:46:33 PM
Castlevania Rises, ultra mega AWESOME cinematic First Person Shooter, set in New York.

Starring Sergeant John Belmont, a grizzled army vet with a vendetta against the evil Russian paramilitary warlord Boris Dracula!
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Post by: crisis on February 10, 2014, 06:49:35 PM
need i remind you all, "first person" castlevania already exists

Castlevania Akumajou Dracula The Arcade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEJUIKCV3io#)

悪魔城ドラキュラ the arcade castlevania the arcade final boss and ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGAaOrvIEX8#ws)
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Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 10, 2014, 06:50:39 PM
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Castlevania Rises, ultra mega AWESOME cinematic First Person Shooter, set in New York.

Darth Vader NO! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s#)
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Post by: Dremn on February 10, 2014, 09:07:45 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - Toy Maker Boss Battle PC Gameplay [1440p] TRUE-HD QUALITY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgUOEw3IVJI#ws)

1440p footage of the Toy Maker Battle, now you can see what this game really looks like on a PC.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on February 10, 2014, 09:39:24 PM
Y'know, when he fights the Bipedal Metal Gear phase in the end, the whip and chaos claws don't make hit sounds when attacking the Toymaker. In LoS and MoF, each time you landed a hit, it had a satisfying sound to it. And I wonder why was Toymaker crying in the end? Is it because he remembered Gabriel's Tragic tale or did he have anything to do with his destruction?
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Post by: crisis on February 10, 2014, 11:32:07 PM
am really hoping for some grotesque enemies and nightmare-inducing segments. 1 of the few things i liked about Curse of darkness was Legion's lair more specifically the lead-up to it. it starts rather typical but as u traverse deeper & deeper your surroundings become more bizarre, almost as if youre being digested by a giant demon with the flesh-like floor and walls pulsating and covered in blood. now despite cod's fails, THAT part was cool

i would love a segment similar to that in los2
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Post by: Nagumo on February 11, 2014, 12:48:23 AM
Reviews that don't tell me what I want to hear are obviously terrible and written by poopie faces.

Most loathed professions in the world:
 
4. Used Car Salesman

3. Politician:

2. Lawyer

1. Video Game Journalist a.k.a HACKS   
 
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 11, 2014, 02:12:13 AM
This demo will never arrive. I'm losing my mind.  :rollseyes:
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 11, 2014, 02:14:22 AM
So guys, what are you doing to ease the pain of these eternal days?

I keep myself busy by lurking in other forums/sites that have no relation to video games.
There are so many things that are coming out this year. /giddy
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 11, 2014, 02:16:56 AM
Another dude on 4chan posted his impressions on the game (he's played 2 hours before posting this):

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Things I like so far:
>free camera
>magic powers are tied to weapons now
>you can disable QTEs
>great art style
>a lot of boss fights, fast and neat platforming

What I don't like:
>forced stealth sections where you can posses people/monsters and turn into rats
>shitload of cutscenes - two hours in I'm still playing the tutorial and there's a cutscene every few steps I take, it's kinda annoying - though I'm sure the game will open up soon

I truly hope those stealth sections aren't THAT bad.
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Post by: crisis on February 11, 2014, 05:19:17 AM
well folks, there you have it

the stealth in los2 will be messy & disrupts the flow of the game, 1 complaint thats consistent with every review i've read

its stuff like this that can drag the fun factor of a game down immensely.we'll see...
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Post by: Kingshango on February 11, 2014, 05:33:50 AM
Looks like the team that design the titan fights in LOS1 also did the steath bits in LOS2.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 11, 2014, 05:43:03 AM
Looks like the team that design the titan fights in LOS1 also did the steath bits in LOS2.

 xDD.

 Two more previews:

 http://zedgamesau.net/reviews-2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview (http://zedgamesau.net/reviews-2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview)

 http://www.unautreblog.com/2014/02/07/compte-rendu-castlevania-los2-mes-impressions/ (http://www.unautreblog.com/2014/02/07/compte-rendu-castlevania-los2-mes-impressions/)

 The second is in french, so I dont understand anything.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 11, 2014, 05:48:40 AM
xDD.

 Two more previews:

 http://zedgamesau.net/reviews-2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview (http://zedgamesau.net/reviews-2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview)

 http://www.unautreblog.com/2014/02/07/compte-rendu-castlevania-los2-mes-impressions/ (http://www.unautreblog.com/2014/02/07/compte-rendu-castlevania-los2-mes-impressions/)

 The second is in french, so I dont understand anything.
Nothing interesting in the French one.
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Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 07:14:17 AM
Two more previews:

 http://zedgamesau.net/reviews-2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview (http://zedgamesau.net/reviews-2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview)

 http://www.unautreblog.com/2014/02/07/compte-rendu-castlevania-los2-mes-impressions/ (http://www.unautreblog.com/2014/02/07/compte-rendu-castlevania-los2-mes-impressions/)

 The second is in french, so I dont understand anything.

First guy is obviously paid off. Nobody likes the stealth sections
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Post by: Zetheraxza on February 11, 2014, 07:14:58 AM
Stealth sections and a lot of cutscenes? Well, I smell "that guy" is still involved in the game somehow.

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 07:20:28 AM
Stealth sections and a lot of cutscenes? Well, I smell "that guy" is still involved in the game somehow.

(click to show/hide)
I would have liked that Mercury hadn't got cocky and Kojima would had been still supervising. They were making stealth, they had the best stealth developer fpr stealth in the world but their arrogance blinded them. See the results now.
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Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 07:25:27 AM
I would have liked that Mercury hadn't got cocky and Kojima would had been still supervising. They were making stealth, they had the best stealth developer fpr stealth in the world but their arrogance blinded them. See the results now.

Who says Kojima isn't busy doing other stuff? The impression I got was that he was only there to "brand" the first game in the first place.
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Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 07:30:06 AM
First guy is obviously paid off. Nobody likes the stealth sections
i get the feeling im not gonna  have much issue with them. i love me some stealth. and turning into rats is pretty damn Dracula
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 07:56:51 AM
Who says Kojima isn't busy doing other stuff? The impression I got was that he was only there to "brand" the first game in the first place.
He was making Peace Walker back in the LoS times. He had a good advisor role and helped them with some aspects. They were doing STEALTH and chose not to work with the master of stealth. It was a bad decision. MS could be good action developers but stealth needs years of study, I personally think that mercury's biggest problem is overambition combined with overconfidence. Same case with MoF, you just don't think that you can make a good 2d game because you made a good3d one, completely different beasts.
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Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 08:09:59 AM
i get the feeling im not gonna  have much issue with them. i love me some stealth. and turning into rats is pretty damn Dracula

I probably won't mind them either, since I'm so easily satisfied, but I'm surprised a previewer/reviewer actually likes them.

He was making Peace Walker back in the LoS times. He had a good advisor role and helped them with some aspects. They were doing STEALTH and chose not to work with the master of stealth. It was a bad decision. MS could be good action developers but stealth needs years of study, I personally think that mercury's biggest problem is overambition combined with overconfidence. Same case with MoF, you just don't think that you can make a good 2d game because you made a good3d one, completely different beasts.

Mirror of Fate is one of my favorite games ever, so this argument is lost on me.

But again, I point out, who says Kojima would have worked with them anyway? Who says they didn't bring him in once or twice? I mean, I have no idea so I'm not going to try and claim they're being overambitious or overconfident or whatever.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 08:25:17 AM
You might like MoF but it had some objective flaws. Some of them amateur.
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Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
You might like MoF but it had some objective flaws. Some of them amateur.

Ok, I'll bite: What "objective" flaws did it have?
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Post by: Intersection on February 11, 2014, 08:46:24 AM
In case anyone's interested, here's for the french article:

- Stunning artistic design; the work put into it definitely shows, and it's easy to get lost in LoS2's world. There's a bonus section that displays artwork you can unlock throughout the game.
- Fluid, intuitive gameplay that's easy to pick up. But fighting sequences aren't simple and will feel challenging for most. Button mashing isn't the way to go -- you need to strategize. There are plenty of new abilities and spells to discover.
- He spent a great time previewing the game and feels that LoS2 is clearly of good quality. He's very excited for the full version, and mentions that there are many references to LoS1 and MoF characters.

He mentions nothing about stealth, so maybe that's a good sign...

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And here's to quickly weigh in on the the MoF discussion -- that game suffers from far more than just a few objective flaws. But you know my opinion already, so I won't press any further.  ;D
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Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 08:58:24 AM
And here's to quickly weigh in on the the MoF discussion -- that game suffers from far more than just a few objective flaws. But you know my opinion already, so I won't press any further.  ;D

I do know your opinion, and while I disagree with it, you have every right to hold it.

All I'm taking issue with is the word "objective"

EDIT: To clarify, yes, there were objective flaws with Mirror of Fate. For example, the FPS on the 3DS version was pretty bad, and the checkpoint system in the killed the difficulty (though I guess for some people, that could be a good thing). However, I'm talking about "objective" issues with the game that prove Ahasverus's implication that MercurySteam didn't know how to create a good 2D game.
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Post by: Ralph on February 11, 2014, 09:32:38 AM
LOS2 preorder is now open on Steam. The bonus is a -10% discount so far. No demo yet.

Interestingly enough, it shares almost the same system requirements as LOS1.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on February 11, 2014, 09:34:43 AM
I got not problem with the check points in MOF coz is not really an issue in the higher difficulites and i use to play game like that, but in lower difficulties it was really helpful for my wife who is not really a gamer but likes Castlevania a lot. There`s something for everyone...
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Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 10:13:52 AM
LOS2 preorder is now open on Steam. The bonus is a -10% discount so far. No demo yet.

Interestingly enough, it shares almost the same system requirements as LOS1.
thats it? pretty pitiful for making us wait so long. the fuck, ms...
still don't know if there's  a physical  pc release do we?
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 11, 2014, 10:15:36 AM
Demo now available on steam
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 11, 2014, 10:19:36 AM
Does anybody know what is shown in the Belmont Lineage option in LOS2 travel book?
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Post by: EstebanT on February 11, 2014, 10:21:35 AM
I've been asking the same question for soooooooo long!!!!
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
Does anybody know what is shown in the Belmont Lineage option in LOS2 travel book?
We don't have idea.
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Post by: Dremn on February 11, 2014, 10:43:09 AM
Does anybody know what is shown in the Belmont Lineage option in LOS2 travel book?
I'm going to guess artwork.
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Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 10:43:44 AM
LOS2 preorder is now open on Steam. The bonus is a -10% discount so far. No demo yet.

Interestingly enough, it shares almost the same system requirements as LOS1.

I'm not surprised. I imagine LoS1 already pushed the upper limits of the 360/PS3 hardware, so it makes sense that LoS2's graphical improvements were primarily engine-based rather than hardware based.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 11, 2014, 10:48:29 AM
Habemos muchos que hablamos español aqui verdad?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 11, 2014, 10:49:07 AM
The demo is up on PSN now.
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Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 10:52:02 AM
Habemos muchos que hablamos español aqui verdad?
si, pareceria que si.
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Post by: Dremn on February 11, 2014, 10:56:16 AM
Fuuuuck only 13 days left, this countdown is killing me.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 11, 2014, 11:08:05 AM
Habemos muchos que hablamos español aqui verdad?

De donde eres?
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Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 11:13:25 AM
si, pareceria que si.

Siento que soy el único que no habla español
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 11, 2014, 11:14:57 AM
Yo soy Mexicano
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Post by: Intersection on February 11, 2014, 11:23:58 AM
Siento que soy el único que no habla español
No, you're not the only one.

But seeing as this has become the new language thread, I might as well give this a try:

Y aurait-il éventuellement d'autres francophones ici?
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Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 11:29:59 AM
No, you're not the only one.

But seeing as this has become the new language thread, I might as well give this a try:

Y aurait-il éventuellement d'autres francophones ici?

Pudeo hablar español, pero no bien

Francés, no a todos.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 11, 2014, 12:00:55 PM
Mexicano tambien
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on February 11, 2014, 12:14:44 PM
I really love how much informative are all the last posts.... :P
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Post by: Kingshango on February 11, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
Hey guys
Pulp Fiction - English Motherfucker Do You Speak It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mDTLphIVY#)

Loved the demo BTW and holy hell the console version does this game no justice from a visual standpoint.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 11, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
Y aurait-il éventuellement d'autres francophones ici?
Ouaip! ;)

--

The PC demo is fantastic, loved it, and the controls are very smooth, even keyboard/mouse.

Also, a local VG shop told me LoS2 has a physical box on PC too.
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Post by: beingthehero on February 11, 2014, 12:26:23 PM
Si, de acuerdo, kingshango
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Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 12:27:54 PM
Ouaip! ;)

--

The PC demo is fantastic, loved it, and the controls are very smooth, even keyboard/mouse.

Also, a local VG shop told me LoS2 has a physical box on PC too.
I have no doubt that Europe will get a physical box. I'm worried the US will not get one, and will be confined to just steam.
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Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 12:38:20 PM
gonna drop this here

http://www.twitch.tv/thekonamiman (http://www.twitch.tv/thekonamiman)

it's currently 12:00 or so in PST, so about 6 EST they will be back likely.

I'm gonna make sure to ask them why exactly it took so fucking long for PC preorders- with nothing to show for it but a measly discount. That's REALLY pissed me off.

ALSO, if the US will get a physical PC box or just steam. Since Dave Cox isn't answering my twits.

EDIT: That said, I'm not expecting them to answer either of those.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 11, 2014, 12:44:40 PM
They updated the OST's tracklist: http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/ (http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 12:48:13 PM
Well, according to Konami's Facebook page, the 10% discount on the steam preorder is the preorder bonus.

That's

fucking

bullshit
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Post by: Gamermeister on February 11, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
Oh shit!

"The Toy Maker's Heart" is a redux of my favorite theme from MoF, "Carousel's Engine!" I'm VERY happy with that. :D
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Post by: crisis on February 11, 2014, 01:10:27 PM
Flame just keeps getting trolled by konami bahahahaha *continues eating tuna sandwich*
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Post by: jigru0511 on February 11, 2014, 01:16:09 PM
i try to speak or write in English but sometimes i can't, because maybe i don't find the correct words or i forget to apply those in the context... I'm Colombian and of course i speak and write in Spanish better than english. I always read you guys because is nice to see who many persons are waiting for CLoS2, and well... Hello to todos
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Post by: Bergaron on February 11, 2014, 01:17:25 PM
Konami lies!!!....

https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/433328927860207616 (https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/433328927860207616)

Free DLC reliqs and skins (and pack with MoF).

But the problems were greater than expected.

I do not buy it without the bonus! :), I'll wait. Dark Souls 2 is very close

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc05.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2014%2F042%2F8%2Fa%2Flos2_by_intheflorsh-d761p6l.gif&hash=a54765dce0ce3a0a462b6a8c4b95cc77)
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Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 01:26:53 PM
Konami lies!!!....

https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/433328927860207616 (https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/433328927860207616)

Free DLC reliqs and skins (and pack with MoF).

But the problems were greater than expected.

I do not buy it without the bonus! :), I'll wait. Dark Souls 2 is very close

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc05.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2014%2F042%2F8%2Fa%2Flos2_by_intheflorsh-d761p6l.gif&hash=a54765dce0ce3a0a462b6a8c4b95cc77)
I wonder what exactly went wrong? I'm betting my money on Amazon/bestbuy/etc pitching a fit that their exclusive preorder bonuses weren't going to be exclusive to them or something.

EDIT: and that Konami probably didn't like the idea of giving away a game for free.

That said, "More surprises to come" doesn't instill much confidence in me considering thats the same he said about THAT failed preorder bonus. And still no news on whether or not the US will get a physical PC release like Europe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 11, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
If it's MoF, they probably did a Alice Madness returns and Put the game in the Game to access it through the menu.....

The Demo was really good, but probably lacking the "Seller" element like the ps3/360 Demo of the First Lords of Shadow
I really love it when a game features everything the e3 trailer has
I happily paid for my copy of LoS2
I've also had Taco Bell today (hadn't had in in months), Snowed and LoS2, my feburary is complete
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Post by: crisis on February 11, 2014, 01:44:15 PM
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I've also had Taco Bell today

what kinda taco did u have? my fav are the cheesy gordita crunch, and am also partial to soft chicken taco w/ hot sauce
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 11, 2014, 01:47:54 PM
Hopefully their next proposal doesn't suck.
We don't even know what their first proposal was(during the time Konami of Europe proposed LoS). The closest we got to an American helmed CV was Resurrection. Besides, people like to flaunt how Europe is the motherland of gothic horror. Sure, Europe is the birthplace of such horror stories, Stoker and Shelley, and Japan is the birthplace of Castlevania itself, but America, the birthplace of the iconic Universal monster depictions of said monsters. I don't think one should write us off so soon.

am really hoping for some grotesque enemies and nightmare-inducing segments. 1 of the few things i liked about Curse of darkness was Legion's lair more specifically the lead-up to it. it starts rather typical but as u traverse deeper & deeper your surroundings become more bizarre, almost as if youre being digested by a giant demon with the flesh-like floor and walls pulsating and covered in blood. now despite cod's fails, THAT part was cool

i would love a segment similar to that in los2
I was kinda hoping we would've gotten something like that with LoS's Forgetten One. That is something I always wanted MORE in the CV series, very viceral and meaty looking areas. Something like the Undead Parasite, really meaty, organic, living(or undead) area you actually travel through. That and more Clive Barker-esque inspiration. The whole "beings of pain" with meat hooks and all. Beelzebub and Forgotten One(LoI one) really invoked that sort of feeling, as did the raw back Minotaur in CoD and Gergoth(skin faced and all). THESE are the horrific things I'd love to see MORE in the CV series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 11, 2014, 01:53:55 PM
I look Forward to playing this game (and also Dark Souls 2).
After I finished LoS 2 I will watch the Let's Play of Gamermeister. This guy is a fuckin' genius. He's got great commentary, great usage of swear words at the right times and informative commentary when it's necessary. You should check out his great Mirror of Fate LP!
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIQqWsOLbNuXcw8fRnAK5SXD9o79AZzE7 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIQqWsOLbNuXcw8fRnAK5SXD9o79AZzE7)

And his first Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goAwKm74rNE&index=2&list=PLIQqWsOLbNuXcw8fRnAK5SXD9o79AZzE7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goAwKm74rNE&index=2&list=PLIQqWsOLbNuXcw8fRnAK5SXD9o79AZzE7)
You can hear the dedication of this guy, great. I just hope he will LP Dark Souls 2 as well. That would be sooo hilarious. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 11, 2014, 01:55:29 PM
Konami lies!!!....

https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/433328927860207616 (https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/433328927860207616)

Free DLC reliqs and skins (and pack with MoF).

But the problems were greater than expected.

I do not buy it without the bonus! :), I'll wait. Dark Souls 2 is very close
Well, look who's back.  ;D

So LoS2 preorders will be bundled with MoF? It seems MS is really intent on force-feeding us that game...
Still, I'm not going to complain. More is better, as they say.

I'm actually a bit on the edge here; either I'll order it early, benefit from the 10% discount, and snatch those few exclusive relics and skins, or I'll patiently sit and wait until the "Ultimate Collector's Edition" (or something to that effect) comes out, as it invariably will, with every DLC and the entire host of post-release improvements these copies usually feature. I'm still not sure which way I should go...

Incidentally, what "problems" are you referring to?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 11, 2014, 02:03:47 PM
am sure theres gonna be some areas/enemies that were cut from the game... maybe in the commentary they will discuss that. and maybe we might see those areas in future dlc
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 02:05:21 PM
Well, look who's back.  ;D

So LoS2 preorders will be bundled with MoF? It seems MS is really intent on force-feeding us that game...
Still, I'm not going to complain. More is better, as they say.

I'm actually a bit on the edge here; either I'll order it early, benefit from the 10% discount, and snatch those few exclusive relics and skins, or I'll patiently sit and wait until the "Ultimate Collector's Edition" (or something to that effect) comes out, as it invariably will, with every DLC and the entire host of post-release improvements these copies usually feature. I'm still not sure which way I should go...

Incidentally, what "problems" are you referring to?
he means that Cox and MS wanted to bundle the preorder on steam with all the other preorder bonuses AND a free copy of the PC version of MoF HD.

But for whatever reason, they were not able to do that, which is why the only thing they have to show is a 10% discount as a "preorder bonus".

I'm pretty sure neither Bergaron nor Cox are really allowed to say what the problems were due to internal konami stuff, though we can all probably guess what they were about.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 11, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
Mexicano tambien

Mexicano igualmente :).
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On theme, any news about the demo in Xbox Live???
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 11, 2014, 02:09:16 PM
what kinda taco did u have? my fav are the cheesy gordita crunch, and am also partial to soft chicken taco w/ hot sauce
Funny, I got the Gordita Crunch combo w/ Doritos Fiery Tacos
Today has been a good day
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
En esta página se habla español!!
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Colombia baby :P

My laptop runs this game. How good is that? VERY good.

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Post by: Kingshango on February 11, 2014, 02:18:49 PM


On theme, any news about the demo in Xbox Live???

They normally update on Wednesday so tomorrow.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
They normally update on Wednesday so tomorrow.
And Live Silver peasants the week after that.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 11, 2014, 02:22:06 PM
And Live Silver peasants the week after that.

Oh, yeah, I forgot that little detail (I´m silver). Thanks for the info ;)...

Oh well, let´s continue rocking with Brütal Legend 8)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 11, 2014, 02:40:17 PM
Jaja hay mas mexicanos. Tengo casi 20 años siendo fan de Castlevania. Como me llamo Miguel, mi pseudónimo en otros sitios es Mike Belmont también. Total, tengo una fuerte necesidad de saber que otros Belmont aparecerán en el Belmont Lineage. Me gustaría que fuera una mezcla de nombres nuevos y del canon anterior con su respectiva historia resumida.

I would like a mix of new and classic names with a small story of them.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 11, 2014, 02:43:57 PM
Currently I'm playing Skyrim: The Elder Scrolls, it helps me survive the wait for LOS2
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 02:45:34 PM
I already played Skyrim. I have nothing :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 02:48:31 PM
I already played Skyrim. I have nothing :(

Castlevania marathon?
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Post by: EstebanT on February 11, 2014, 02:49:11 PM
Jaja hay mas mexicanos. Tengo casi 20 años siendo fan de Castlevania. Como me llamo Miguel, mi pseudónimo en otros sitios es Mike Belmont también. Total, tengo una fuerte necesidad de saber que otros Belmont aparecerán en el Belmont Lineage. Me gustaría que fuera una mezcla de nombres nuevos y del canon anterior con su respectiva historia resumida.

I would like a mix of new and classic names with a small story of them.

Igual aqui. I mean.... Surely they wouldn't skip from Simon to victor right? So many belmonts in between.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 11, 2014, 02:51:15 PM
Castlevania marathon?

That's exactly what I'm doing. I started from game 1 again. Currently stuck in that fucking red tower in draculas curse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 11, 2014, 02:51:54 PM
 난 괜찮아 그리고 내가 할 수 있는 그리고 네 그것을 즐길 수 있기 때문에 내 방에 내 대형 평면 스크린 텔레비전에 재생 됩니다 3 역 재생 고 나 여기에서 우리는 점점 많은 눈 때문에 이제는 하나의 또 다른 한편 그것은 실현 재생 등 내 취미에 밀린 나 보다 5 일 주말 아니 사과 하 게 내가 한 첫 번째 게임에 대 한 자정 릴리스에 대 한 그것을 얻을 수 있습니다 약 2 주에 출시 너희들은 내 부하 시간 문제 끝까지 당신을 윤 창 것입니다 원하는 드라이브 어디에 차 홉 매우 큰 것은?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 11, 2014, 02:52:32 PM
All these impressions and screens...

Damn, I'm getting sad I have nothing to play this game on. Oh well, enjoy the ride for me gentlemen. ;__;
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 11, 2014, 02:54:31 PM
Jaja hay mas mexicanos. Tengo casi 20 años siendo fan de Castlevania. Como me llamo Miguel, mi pseudónimo en otros sitios es Mike Belmont también. Total, tengo una fuerte necesidad de saber que otros Belmont aparecerán en el Belmont Lineage. Me gustaría que fuera una mezcla de nombres nuevos y del canon anterior con su respectiva historia resumida.

I would like a mix of new and classic names with a small story of them.

Jeje, sorry for use the pseudonym that you use in other sites :).

A mix of new and classic names??? Well, I expect Gabriel, Trevor, Simon, Victor... But I would glad to see a female Belmont (not a wife of some one, a true Belmont)...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 02:56:38 PM
Castlevania marathon?
Every day is Castlevania marathon for me. Heh.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 11, 2014, 02:58:19 PM
You did everything in Skyrim? I just bought the game a month ago
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 03:03:26 PM
You did everything in Skyrim? I just bought the game a month ago
Doing everything is pretty much impossible :P BUt I've played through the main camapaign twice, completed the college of mages, the companions and the dark brotherhood, and then played through the two expansions (I think Dawnguard has a nice homage to Castlevania, last battle and everything). But I've been playing 3 years heh.

The forum has had a lot of visitors these days, it's getting pretty slow.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 11, 2014, 03:06:51 PM
Thanks @Slit_Zurifa for the kind words. Far too kind. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 11, 2014, 03:07:32 PM
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Damn, I'm getting sad I have nothing to play this game on. Oh well, enjoy the ride for me gentlemen. ;__;

fundraiser for oswald incoming?
dont worry i will enjoy other things as well  o .o;
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 03:11:36 PM
Enric was here today :3
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 11, 2014, 03:20:24 PM
https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/433328927860207616 (https://twitter.com/CastlevaniaLOS/status/433328927860207616)(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc05.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2014%2F042%2F8%2Fa%2Flos2_by_intheflorsh-d761p6l.gif&hash=a54765dce0ce3a0a462b6a8c4b95cc77)
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 This "fatality" is fucking amazing "blood is everything".

 La demo me ha parecido cojonuda, las voces increíbles, la música cojonuda, el gameplay ha mejorado, los efectos de luces en tiempo real, y que puedo decir, con 20 minutos de demo he sentido como nunca ha Drácula, porque Gabriel no lo he visto por ningún lado, sino a un alter-ego que lo ha absorbido por completo, una bestia de la oscuridad.

 I shouldn't had played the demo, now I feel more hyped than ever.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 03:36:37 PM
Doing everything is pretty much impossible :P BUt I've played through the main camapaign twice, completed the college of mages, the companions and the dark brotherhood, and then played through the two expansions (I think Dawnguard has a nice homage to Castlevania, last battle and everything). But I've been playing 3 years heh.

The forum has had a lot of visitors these days, it's getting pretty slow.
Tried modding it? Skyrim modded offers plenty of new things, including expansions.

There's also a few castlevania mods out there.

Particularly, theres a mod for Gabriel's outfit in LoS1, there's a combat cross mod that adds a bunch of Combat crosses that you can buy from Sonia Belmont (Yep) only downside is- only those specific ones from her have the whip effect. All the ones you can craft, have an invisible attack, since the whip is basically a retexture of the sword.

There's alucard's outfit, and a castlevania quest or two.

EDIT that stream is live now, BTW
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 11, 2014, 03:59:07 PM
Leak Guy appeared once more, for the last time. ;__;

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 04:02:11 PM
SO Im not sure if I heard right, the guy in the back was really hard to hear over the game, but I guess the only release on PC is digital ;_;

I'm a sad panda.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 11, 2014, 04:05:17 PM
Leak Guy appeared once more, for the last time. ;__;

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 11, 2014, 04:47:14 PM
I just played the demo on my PS3, and it seems to be good. However, when I was playing it, I was on the Siege Titan, and I got hit by one of those spinning gears. I should have transported back to the middle point of the Titan (that's where I was at), but, instead, Dracula just starts falling, hitting the rest of the spinning wheels on his way down! He fell all the way down to limbo, and that's when I restarted the demo, much to my disgruntlement.

Has anyone else encountered this glitch? Because let's hope this problem has been fixed in the final version...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 11, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
I just played the demo on my PS3, and it seems to be good. However, when I was playing it, I was on the Siege Titan, and I got hit by one of those spinning gears. I should have transported back to the middle point of the Titan (that's where I was at), but, instead, Dracula just starts falling, hitting the rest of the spinning wheels on his way down! He fell all the way down to limbo, and that's when I restarted the demo, much to my disgruntlement.

Has anyone else encountered this glitch? Because let's hope this problem has been fixed in the final version...
Have played the same demo several times since was released with MOF HD and never happened to me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 11, 2014, 05:09:43 PM
Just watched a friend of mine play the demo, the only negative thing I can say about it is the annoying on screen prompts telling you the obvious and highlighting your path. I wish you could turn those off as well.

The game looks 10x smoother and cleaner than LoS1, and some of the new moves they put in look amazingly fun to do. I'm even more hyped now to see the full game, and hopefully be able to play it for myself eventually ;~;
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 11, 2014, 05:59:08 PM
En esta página se habla español!!
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Colombia baby :P

My laptop runs this game. How good is that? VERY good.

Tu italiano molto bene!!! Mio anche italiano e nero :)

That's right I understand italian and some spanish as well especially since where I live I need to. But man do I need to brush up on it.

oh and now everyone has played the demo I played it when mof-hd came out it seems no one was interested in my opinion.


cue lone man theme

the incredible hulk-Lonely man theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4C1ZQKmw4#)

nah but in all seriousness now all of us can talk about it  :)

Also in other news I some how helped gamestop make a preorder on LoS2 what can I say I'm an enthusiastic person 8)

All in all I cannot see how this game can do bad.
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Post by: Anglachel on February 11, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
Any ideas about what the PSN digital pre-order bonus will be? I feel like it could one of the skins or some exclusive theme.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 11, 2014, 06:46:23 PM
Eeeh, the demo was pretty ok... not really bad, but not good too... In fact, it made me want to not buy the game now and wait for the middle of the year to get it on a sale or something...
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Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 06:48:56 PM
Any ideas about what the PSN digital pre-order bonus will be? I feel like it could one of the skins or some exclusive theme.
Don't get your hopes up.
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Post by: mindbender on February 11, 2014, 06:55:38 PM
Eeeh, the demo was pretty ok... not really bad, but not good too... In fact, it made me want to not buy the game now and wait for the middle of the year to get it on a sale or something...
You were going to get it on PC right? I'm torn too, because I feel it's important to buy this to encourage konami to keep bringing games to PC (bought metal gear rising for the same reason). I don't think I want to pay more than $30 for the game though, and it will likely hit that price in the summer.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 11, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
Any ideas about what the PSN digital pre-order bonus will be? I feel like it could one of the skins or some exclusive theme.
During today`s Konami stream i asked about LOS2 been for pre order on PSN, The answer i got was that the game just will be avaible at launch. Like Mirror of Fate HD i guess... Also asked if someday we will be able to get Curse of Darkness on PSN just as Lament Of Innocence, but not answer about this one...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 11, 2014, 07:34:36 PM
http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/ (http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/)

Director's Cut of the ost for LoS2 is up on Sumthing.com, available for pre-order.  It's sounding amazing.  However, it doesn't sound like the epic music from the original, cinematic trailer is going to be present on it.  I'm actually really quite sad about that, as it's a favourite of mine.  :( :-[  I hope that it features in the game itself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 11, 2014, 07:37:10 PM
You were going to get it on PC right? I'm torn too, because I feel it's important to buy this to encourage konami to keep bringing games to PC (bought metal gear rising for the same reason). I don't think I want to pay more than $30 for the game though, and it will likely hit that price in the summer.
Yes.

I'm bummed that MoF HD wasn't the pre-order incentive... instead, 10% of discount, which is a fucking joke!
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Post by: Lilgigs on February 11, 2014, 07:50:21 PM
Yes.

I'm bummed that MoF HD wasn't the pre-order incentive... instead, 10% of discount, which is a fucking joke!

I'm not really getting the complaints about the "late" pre-order for pc. Why do you need a digital game pre-ordered? You and flame need to relax.

Also, complaining about a pre-order incentive makes you sound cheap. If you don't want to pay full price just wait.

Maedhros you already stated on GAF you didn't know if you were buying day one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 08:59:00 PM
Why do you need a digital game pre-ordered? You and flame need to relax.
I return your question with a question: why does a physical game need to be preordered? In today's market, it will not sell out.
 if it's not a hit, there will be many copies available. if it's a blockbuster, retailers will scramble to get more as soon as they can. There's no reason to preorder a game digitally or physically save for already pre-buying it, making the process easier once it releases. With a physical launch, you pre-buy and have a copy reserved. with a digital launch, you pre-buy it, and just need to install once it launches.

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I'm not really getting the complaints about the "late" pre-order for pc.
It's a matter of principle. They touted a PC version as this big deal, and then the PC version gets treated like a second rate thought. PREORDERS OPEN! RESERVE YOUR COPY TODAY ON PS3, XBOX 360 AND PC! and yet no pc. Silence from Dave Cox, just "Soon(TM)" I mean, when exactly did preorders for consoles open? End of January..?and complete silence from dave cox other than "soon." almost half a month later, after only barely squeezing it out of Cox that he had a surprise for PC preorders, making people going for that version excited that the wait would be worth it for something special... Preorder releases on steam with no preorder bonus, nothing special, justa measly 10% discount, which Konami then proceeds to tout as a preorder incentive. Everything is swept under the rug, and we are meant to assume that the PC preorder was late for no reason. Oh boy, that wait was sure worth it for 6 bucks off! Konami obviously won't say anything, because game companies today don't admit fault, and apparently according to dave cox, what they were planning was not able to go through. and even that tweet is buried in his sea of other tweets, and you wouldn't find that out unless you were actively looking for it and following all of his twitter convos. (And Bergaron who popped in to confirm it)

So half a month late, just for a 10% discount. if you told me 20%, or 25% off, I could maybe swallow the pill and accept it. But just 10%? I don't give a fuck if i sound ungrateful. That's insulting. 6 bucks off for our troubles after being teased with candy and treats for half a month? And they have the gall to tell us THAT'S the pre-order bonus?

Quite frankly, it feels fucking insulting.

That's like you've got 3 guys ordering a sandwich for lunch at a fast food place. As a bonus, if they order it they get the sandwich, and a choice side order of fries, chicken nuggets, or onion rings. The guy at the counter making the sandwiches pulls you aside and tells you that just for you, if you wait a little longer, he's going to let you order not only the sandwich, but a special order as well! So you see people ordering their sandwiches, and getting their side orders, and this goes on for hours, way past lunch time. Whenever you ask the guy how much longer you have to wait, he tells you you'll be able to order your food "soon!" and again promises you will get something special with your order. Eventually, dinner time arrives, and he finally lets you order. And what do you get? Just the sandwich with a little extra cheese in it. When you ask him what happened to the bonus order you were going to get, his partner tells you the extra cheese is the bonus! and the guy tells you that he just wasn't able to prepare what he was going to give you as a side order. But then he reassures you that you shouldn't worry, because there's more special promotions coming up!

Tell me you'd be very convinced at any promises like that.

Might not be entirely accurate, but that's how it feels.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 11, 2014, 09:12:19 PM
http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/ (http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/)

Director's Cut of the ost for LoS2 is up on Sumthing.com, available for pre-order.  It's sounding amazing.  However, it doesn't sound like the epic music from the original, cinematic trailer is going to be present on it.  I'm actually really quite sad about that, as it's a favourite of mine.  :( :-[  I hope that it features in the game itself.
I can swear I heard it there.

Edit: I was wrong, I thought you meant the last trailer, not the CGI one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on February 11, 2014, 09:57:46 PM
Preordering for physical copies are so you can pick it up on release day in a preferred store or have it shipped to you on release day.

The PC version didn't take a back seat. Konami has said that the PC version would be released on the same day as the console version and they haven't broken that. They also got the preorder up 2 weeks before release so you can preorder it. It is the same game if you preorder it 2 years before or 2 weeks before.

It is just a game, Konami isn't trying insult you. If you aren't happy about it, then vote with your wallet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 10:05:31 PM
Preordering for physical copies are so you can pick it up on release day in a preferred store or have it shipped to you on release day.

The PC version didn't take a back seat. Konami has said that the PC version would be released on the same day as the console version and they haven't broken that. They also got the preorder up 2 weeks before release so you can preorder it. It is the same game if you preorder it 2 years before or 2 weeks before.

It is just a game, Konami isn't trying insult you. If you aren't happy about it, then vote with your wallet.

It's a matter of principle, and responsibility. It feels insulting that after half a month late, they are trying to sell me on a 10% discount as a pre-order bonus when it very obviously is a rushed last minute thought to give some kind of incentive to PC owners. You think they could at least have made it 20%.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 11, 2014, 10:59:59 PM
I can swear I heard it there.

Edit: I was wrong, I thought you meant the last trailer, not the CGI one.
That track was released months (maybe years) ago, but not in an official way.

Wait 2-3 weeks after the game is released and you'll get a complete gamerip from some site.

EDIT: LOL It's out, I'll see if it is complete at home, and well-ripped too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on February 11, 2014, 11:11:18 PM
Is just me or the demo looks a little better on 360?.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 11, 2014, 11:36:07 PM
It's a matter of principle, and responsibility. It feels insulting that after half a month late, they are trying to sell me on a 10% discount as a pre-order bonus when it very obviously is a rushed last minute thought to give some kind of incentive to PC owners. You think they could at least have made it 20%.
PC already gets all of the Console pre-orders, saving $6 AND all 3 pre-order bonuses seems better than full price and 1 of the 3.

Sadly we probably will not be getting that bonus which is most likely a free copy of Mirror of Fate which is a real setback for me because I never got to play MoF and I really don't want to watch a playthrough via youtube...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 11, 2014, 11:41:45 PM
I still haven't downloaded it YET (give me 1 hour), but, on the complete music rip (from the demo):

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 11, 2014, 11:44:55 PM
PC already gets all of the Console pre-orders, saving $6 AND all 3 pre-order bonuses seems better than full price and 1 of the 3.
Except PC is not getting the console preorders bonuses... All the Preorder bonuses will be future DLC, but not PC exclusive DLC, DLC in general. Where did you get the idea that PC is getting 6$ off and the Console bonuses? PC is getting JUST the 6$ off, unless I'm missing something here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 12, 2014, 01:20:40 AM
I can swear I heard it there.

Edit: I was wrong, I thought you meant the last trailer, not the CGI one.

Yup, it's the cgi one I meant.

That track was released months (maybe years) ago, but not in an official way.

Wait 2-3 weeks after the game is released and you'll get a complete gamerip from some site.

EDIT: LOL It's out, I'll see if it is complete at home, and well-ripped too.

I already have multiple rips of the track, one of which apparently came from Araujo's soundcloud (not is no longer there).  It's more that I was hoping to see it on the ost in the hope in part as a sign that it, and uses of some of its motifs, feature in the game's soundtrack.  PLus the song is epic. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 12, 2014, 01:33:48 AM
I still haven't downloaded it YET (give me 1 hour), but, on the complete music rip (from the demo):

(click to show/hide)

Ahahahaha! We knew it's gonna happen.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 12, 2014, 02:51:33 AM
I still haven't downloaded it YET (give me 1 hour), but, on the complete music rip (from the demo):

(click to show/hide)

*Cackles*  Yup, I also figured this.  Thanks, Chernabogue!  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 12, 2014, 03:02:46 AM
Full game music tracklist -- not the OST, the gamerip (numbers represent the amount of tracks with the same name -- they are often various cues from a bigger track, or variations on a theme, a common thing in gamerips)

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 12, 2014, 04:10:52 AM
Hmm... I wonder why not bother and just go the whole hog and release the full tracklist you've just given on the 'director's cut'?

Thanks by the way, you're a star.  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 12, 2014, 04:35:02 AM
Hmm... I wonder why not bother and just go the whole hog and release the full tracklist you've just given on the 'director's cut'?

Thanks by the way, you're a star.  ;D
That' around 4 hours of music, and some tracks are just copies.

You're welcome!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 12, 2014, 04:43:10 AM
(click to show/hide)
This one is priceless. It's happened to me before.  ;D
Thanks for the tracklist, anyhow.

Does anyone know whether or not LoS2 will offer a few classic remixes? I remember Cox promising this, but I haven't heard anything from the few samples Amazon offered. I had expected those "City in Flames" and "Castlevania" tracks to mirror Divine Bloodlines and Vampire Killer...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on February 12, 2014, 04:53:58 AM
http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/ (http://www.sumthing.com/p/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-1/)

Director's Cut of the ost for LoS2 is up on Sumthing.com, available for pre-order.  It's sounding amazing.  However, it doesn't sound like the epic music from the original, cinematic trailer is going to be present on it.  I'm actually really quite sad about that, as it's a favourite of mine.  :( :-[  I hope that it features in the game itself.

I do remember seeing a long time ago that Dave confirmed it would be in the game, but given current events, anything could happen.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 12, 2014, 05:05:42 AM
Does anyone know whether or not LoS2 will offer a few classic remixes? I remember Cox promising this, but I haven't heard anything from the few samples Amazon offered. I had expected those "City in Flames" and "Castlevania" tracks to mirror Divine Bloodlines and Vampire Killer...
So far, I heard nothing paying tribute to older games. The VK music box track from LoS1 returns, but I don't know if it'll play during the game.

Some themes from LoS1 and MoF are included/arranged though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 12, 2014, 05:15:08 AM
I do remember seeing a long time ago that Dave confirmed it would be in the game, but given current events, anything could happen.

I'd read something along those lines as well.  Ah well, just over two weeks left to wait, and we'll see.  As the version I'm getting isn't out until the 28th, I will be vanishing from here for a few days.  I had tried to avoid here after the embargo was lifted, but the castle calls.  *Laughs*

Oh, I read earlier on Cox's twitter (not sure if it's already been announced here or not after the initial 'surprise' falling flat was mentioned), that there won't be any extra surprises included at all with the PC pre-order, as apparently, he couldn't pull off whatever he wanted to do.  Sorry guys. :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 07:06:38 AM
Ook, do we have a download for the OST rip? :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 12, 2014, 07:07:17 AM
Quote
Oh, I read earlier on Cox's twitter (not sure if it's already been announced here or not after the initial 'surprise' falling flat was mentioned), that there won't be any extra surprises included at all with the PC pre-order, as apparently, he couldn't pull off whatever he wanted to do.  Sorry guys. :(
dudes that preordered pc version be like

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dedoimedo.com%2Fimages%2Flife%2Ftrolling-rage-face.jpg&hash=26521a5ddfa1e470a7fb2e6d658b1b0b)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on February 12, 2014, 07:48:55 AM
OST RIP:

https://mega.co.nz/# (https://mega.co.nz/#)!8YMAUSyR!KgIy1UXGdp8sEj1xuiFB7H-rLDtk4slBCW7T5fZzE9E

 8)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 12, 2014, 07:54:58 AM
Ede did a review but the review isn't online yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 12, 2014, 07:57:48 AM
dudes that preordered pc version be like

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dedoimedo.com%2Fimages%2Flife%2Ftrolling-rage-face.jpg&hash=26521a5ddfa1e470a7fb2e6d658b1b0b)
a bit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 08:04:10 AM
I love yu, Khanzo.

Do we know the score of that review?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 12, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
I love yu, Khanzo.

Do we know the score of that review?

It (allegedly) got a 9 but the poster claimed it was a typo.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 08:17:26 AM
It (allegedly) got a 9 but the poster claimed it was a typo.
What does that mean lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 12, 2014, 08:30:55 AM
What does that mean lol

He got too excited I guess.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 08:50:45 AM
My god, that soundtrack, talk about a masterpiece. This blows every classical composed Castlevania ost out of the water. 0.8.2 down on the street_m1 <3
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 12, 2014, 08:59:24 AM
My god, that soundtrack, talk about a masterpiece. This blows every classical composed Castlevania ost out of the water. 0.8.2 down on the street_m1 <3

I'd give you a flame shield but know what, you'll be alright without one. Have fun. :)

And can someone be a dear and upload the whole soundtrack to Youtube plz?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 12, 2014, 09:01:28 AM
OK so I tried the LoS2 demo, PC version. Wow. I can't believe how bad that was.

Just to put this into perspective, not 5 minutes into the game I somehow glitched through the floor on the Titan for no reason and fell through the titan and  backgrounds until I died at the bottom of the glitch void.

So when I could actually do things on the Titan, and not glitch into the void, the Titan was as bland and boring as I expected, if not more so. Spending 5 minutes making a dude shoot rivets was just lame as hell.

And then it ended, just as they were going to let me kill the stupid sniper. Super short. Not satisfying at all.

The only good thing I can say is, the combat was smoother than LoS was. Though perhaps a bit heavy on the effects, making it hard to see at times.

I actually expected the game to stand up way better than that, but after that pathetic demo I don't even know if I'd play it for free. It's certainly not getting my money.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 12, 2014, 09:03:23 AM
I can't download it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 12, 2014, 09:06:50 AM
I can't download it.

You're not missing much buddy. Trust me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 12, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
OST RIP:

https://mega.co.nz/# (https://mega.co.nz/#)!8YMAUSyR!KgIy1UXGdp8sEj1xuiFB7H-rLDtk4slBCW7T5fZzE9E

 8)

Ooohhhhhhhhhh! :D

Sadly, it's not showing up for me at all if I click on the link.  :'(  Is there another way you could get the ost to those of us having problems with the linkage?  We'd be very grateful!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 12, 2014, 09:13:20 AM
For me the demo worked just fine. I got it when I bought CLOS MoF HD, so that version was ok. It is very short, but I liked it. What meant was the OST
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on February 12, 2014, 09:17:25 AM
Ooohhhhhhhhhh! :D

Sadly, it's not showing up for me at all if I click on the link.  :'(  Is there another way you could get the ost to those of us having problems with the linkage?  We'd be very grateful!

Sadly Im having troubles downloading it too. I got it from FFshrine music section. I hope someone can do a torrent of it. In my country (Venezuela) the internet speed is among the WORST in the world...  >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 09:19:45 AM
Ooohhhhhhhhhh! :D

Sadly, it's not showing up for me at all if I click on the link.  :'(  Is there another way you could get the ost to those of us having problems with the linkage?  We'd be very grateful!
Don't click on the link, copy the whole url into your browser bar.

Credits 2

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.pandawhale.com%2F38848-The-Feels-gif-UHzu.gif&hash=4b0c69577c858e0cff5710f0482ace07)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 12, 2014, 09:27:53 AM
Cheers!  Do people know whether the link is clean and free of nasties, such as viruses?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on February 12, 2014, 09:37:40 AM
Cheers!  Do people know whether the link is clean and free of nasties, such as viruses?

I dont think so, many ppl has given thanks to the op in the thread at FFshrine  and comenting on the aspects of the ost and stuff.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 12, 2014, 09:39:55 AM
Don't think so in what way?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 12, 2014, 09:47:55 AM
The archive is clean.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 12, 2014, 09:51:49 AM
I'm downloading the OST now. Super psyched!!!

Also, I played the demo back when MoF HD came out and really liked it. I liked how they made Drac's evade move basically a 3D version of Alucard's backdash from SotN. Nice touch. Not to mention the game is visually gorgeous.

Combat was fine. I don't love Drac with a whip, but his other two weapons are pretty cool. And the sounds and animation when you're beating on a dude's shield to break it is SO satisfying. haha

No glitches ever happened to me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 12, 2014, 09:53:24 AM
Quote
Just to put this into perspective, not 5 minutes into the game I somehow glitched through the floor on the Titan for no reason and fell through the titan and  backgrounds until I died at the bottom of the glitch void.

Happened to me on the PS3 version as well. Bear in mind, this is the same demo as was included with Mirror of Fate HD. Hopefully, the glitch has been fixed in the final version...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Melanicus on February 12, 2014, 09:56:47 AM
The archive is clean.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_WJOyqmg_gpc%2FSwT6hMX1TfI%2FAAAAAAAAB2g%2FUo7Qbk6_OdQ%2Fs320%2FZelda%252BRubinstein.jpg&hash=b1be7d48db1e60abdb2179753543c8e0)

Fixed.   ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 12, 2014, 10:02:28 AM
am i look to forward play dream los2 in the darkness with no contact? yes please : )
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on February 12, 2014, 10:09:55 AM
If there's any track I would have wanted from LoS, it would have been Castle Hall.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 12, 2014, 10:14:54 AM
OST great so far
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 12, 2014, 10:16:58 AM
Credits 1 & 2 are beautiful tracks
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 12, 2014, 10:20:15 AM
There are some fun classic tunes in the Toymaker's tracks. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on February 12, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
There are some fun classic tunes in the Toymaker's tracks. :)

 :o There are? Like what?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 12, 2014, 10:35:37 AM
I don't think the download link is working anymore, and I copy pasted the whole URL. I've been stuck on that spinning black circle screen for 10 minutes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 12, 2014, 10:38:14 AM
Quote from: e105beta
Credits 1 & 2 are beautiful tracks
but can the world attest to that beauty? we shall see

Quote from: Gamermeister
There are some fun classic tunes in the Toymaker's tracks. :)
hey i know you. youre the guy that does that thing, correct?

Quote from: OSM
I don't think the download link is working anymore, and I copy pasted the whole URL. I've been stuck on that spinning black circle screen for 10 minutes.
i think u need to sit down and relax already
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Melanicus on February 12, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
Try FireFox. I was using Chrome at first and that didn't work, but FireFox worked great.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 12, 2014, 10:40:29 AM
:o There are? Like what?

It's Theme of Belmont, only made to sound like it's coming from a toybox.
Of course Beginning is still in the Satan battle music...but I haven't come across any other classic tunes anywhere.
Awesome music, nonetheless!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 12, 2014, 10:42:48 AM
Weird, it's working now for me.

Thank you MKKhanzo and FFShrine. Someone should try looking for more gamefiles, I wanna know what's in that Belmont Lineage section.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 12, 2014, 10:45:38 AM
It works for me too.

But then I got hit the realization that my internet is slow as all hell. So im just gonna wait till someone feels generous enough to upload it to Youtube.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 12, 2014, 10:46:28 AM
hey i know you. youre the guy that does that thing, correct?

Yep, that's me. I do a thing. I do a thing every day. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 12, 2014, 10:57:19 AM
Although I still like it a lot, I'm a little disappointed with the Satan battle music. I was expecting it to sound even better in game, but the live version from Play Fest actually sounds better.  :-\
The last minute or so is still amazing though.

Carmilla's Fight is really growing on me too, especially those ascending strings in the second half.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 12, 2014, 11:15:57 AM
So uh, is anyone working on an MP3 conversion of these tracks?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on February 12, 2014, 12:42:49 PM
Or someone gentle enough to put them individually or in smaller packs on mediafire?  ;D


































please?  :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 12, 2014, 01:05:38 PM
Whoooaaa.

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Well the OST was pretty nice, but damn, not a single classic track anywhere. Just some reorchestrated MoF tracks.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 12, 2014, 01:25:55 PM
That. Sucks. I expected at least one. :(

Oscar araujo uploaded Dying for a drop of blood on his channel.
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Post by: Intersection on February 12, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
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I'll probably follow up with a soundtrack review once I've calmed down.


EDIT: This was written in a fit of frustration, so I've put my message under "spoilers". Just know that I had a particularly unpleasant experience downloading the OST.
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Post by: crisis on February 12, 2014, 01:57:44 PM
i will jest wait for it to upload on youtube. payshince is a virtue my friends.

in the meantime, i was cleaning out my bellybutton until i realized, who will buy the strategy guide for the game. maybe since OSM is still stuck in the ps2-era he can at least afford the strat guide an tell us if it reveals anytjhing juicy
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 12, 2014, 02:06:08 PM
Eh, by the way, the LoS 2 demo is available at Xbox Live, and it seems that its free for all (both Gold and Silver). I´m at work right now, so if is true, I will download tomorrow early, to prove by myself...

For the OST/RIP, I haven´t listened, but I hope to download later...
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 12, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
I would like a ''Belmont DLC'' with Victor fighting his way to Dracul
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Post by: KaZudra on February 12, 2014, 03:24:30 PM
get Lords of Shadow 2 on PC for $40!

http://www.dealzon.com/deals/castlevania-lords-of-shadow#castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.dealzon.com/deals/castlevania-lords-of-shadow#castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
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Post by: MKKhanzo on February 12, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Eh, by the way, the LoS 2 demo is available at Xbox Live, and it seems that its free for all (both Gold and Silver). I´m at work right now, so if is true, I will download tomorrow early, to prove by myself...

For the OST/RIP, I haven´t listened, but I hope to download later...

How big in MB is the demo on XBX?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 12, 2014, 03:39:39 PM
I've listened to the OST, and I only have one thing to say: Araujo has outdone himself again.

So here's the answer that burning question I'd had -- Yes, LoS2's soundtrack actually does manage to sound worse than either LoS's or MoF's. Hell, I didn't even think that was possible until now.

Granted, most of Araujo's previous works were bland, but they never truly went below mediocrity. Yet this time around I've listened to tracks so altogether incoherent that I can't describe them as anything else but awful. LoS's music was often uninspired, but never really poorly composed; and yet most of LoS2's music possesses so little structure or form that I can't blame the OST's flaws on simple creative droughts anymore. In essence, I've never heard any of Araujo's music actually sound bad before...

The soundtrack isn't without its strong points, of course -- Dracula's Theme, for one, stands among the game's few enjoyable pieces -- but on the whole it's an undeniable disappointment. LoS's mistakes haven't just been repeated; they've gotten noticeably worse.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 12, 2014, 04:10:28 PM
How big in MB is the demo on XBX?

706.75 MB :P. Glad that I bought the 320 GB HD for my Xbox 360 Slim in Christmas :D
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Post by: EstebanT on February 12, 2014, 04:14:53 PM
I've listened to the OST, and I only have one thing to say: Araujo has outdone himself again.

So here's the answer that burning question I'd had -- Yes, LoS2's soundtrack actually does manage to sound worse than either LoS's or MoF's. Hell, I didn't even think that was possible until now.

Granted, most of Araujo's previous works were bland, but they never truly went below mediocrity. Yet this time around I've listened to tracks so altogether incoherent that I can't describe them as anything else but awful. LoS's music was often uninspired, but never really poorly composed; and yet most of LoS2's music possesses so little structure or form that I can't blame the OST's flaws on simple creative droughts anymore. In essence, I've never heard any of Araujo's music actually sound bad before...

The soundtrack isn't without its strong points, of course -- Dracula's Theme, for one, stands among the game's few enjoyable pieces -- but on the whole it's an undeniable disappointment. LoS's mistakes haven't just been repeated; they've gotten noticeably worse.

I didn't like the soundtrack either, but can you be a little more specific please?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 04:16:24 PM
Konami's PR team are tracking Bergaron down :( They want to fire him/cut it from the company. Let's pray for him. We owe him a lot (and they owe him a lot of sales too).
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Post by: MKKhanzo on February 12, 2014, 04:20:35 PM
Konami's PR team are tracking Bergaron down :( They want to fire him/cut it from the company. Let's pray for him. We owe him a lot (and they owe him a lot of sales too).

This is sad to read.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 12, 2014, 04:22:50 PM
All he ever did was giving approximate dates of trailers. He never did anything wrong
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Post by: crisis on February 12, 2014, 04:27:01 PM
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Konami's PR team are tracking Bergaron down :( They want to fire him/cut it from the company. Let's pray for him. We owe him a lot (and they owe him a lot of sales too).

lol are u serious? well he WAS our mole, and he WAS fully aware of what he was doing and the repercussions it will eventually have against him. im sure some disciplinary action may be warranted, but firing him is a lil drastic. not like he leaked the game's script or anything.

suspension with pay, ms/konami. dont be dicks.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 04:33:08 PM
lol are u serious? well he WAS our mole, and he WAS fully aware of what he was doing and the repercussions it will eventually have against him. im sure some disciplinary action may be warranted, but firing him is a lil drastic. not like he leaked the game's script or anything.

suspension with pay, ms/konami. dont be dicks.
Great so let's leech him while he's useful and abandon him with his carrer killed. You know what crisis, that's not my style. He's bergaron, he's no one else here, he's not a konami employee here, he's just an user on a forum and we shouldn't say anything more than that. None of us.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 12, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
Can the reactions in this forum to the demo, reviews, o OST/RIP was the reason for Bergaron to be in troubles? Well, is strange, because he is not the only one to post information or spoilers here.

But..., how do you know that information, @Ashaverus???
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 04:58:40 PM
Can the reactions in this forum to the demo, reviews, o OST/RIP was the reason for Bergaron to be in troubles? Well, is strange, because he is not the only one to post information or spoilers here.

But..., how do you know that information, @Ashaverus???

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I think there are some platform confusions here. Either by GAF or this Bergaron guy. The current plan for PC is set in stone but there is an opportunity coming up for one of the platforms that I wrote about here.
His declarations ended up in neogaf (by myself, and others, just spreaded information) then this happened
...
Bergaron probably shouldn't be leaking internal discussions with first party, IMO. Now I have to get our PR involved. :\
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 12, 2014, 05:03:24 PM
I think there are some platform confusions here. Either by GAF or this Bergaron guy. The current plan for PC is set in stone but there is an opportunity coming up for one of the platforms that I wrote about here.
His declarations ended up in neogaf (by myself, and others, just spreaded information) then this happened
...
Bergaron probably shouldn't be leaking internal discussions with first party, IMO. Now I have to get our PR involved. :\

Do you have the link, for full information? So the main problem is for spread an leak information about a game release for PC, or am I wrong?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 12, 2014, 05:05:43 PM
Sad to hear about Bergaron, seems that Konami is about to crack down on future leaks.

Gotta feeling leak guy on /v/ is gonna be laying low for a while.
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Post by: Dremn on February 12, 2014, 05:06:18 PM
Well who thought it would be a good idea to even talk about Bergaron outside of this forum?

I hope he doesn't lose his job, Berg and Konami Leak Guy did a WAY better job marketing this game than Konami's whole PR did.
Gotta feeling leak guy on /v/ is gonna be laying low for a while.
He posted last night for the last time.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 12, 2014, 05:13:34 PM
Well who thought it would be a good idea to even talk about Bergaron outside of this forum?

I hope he doesn't lose his job, Berg and Konami Leak Guy did a WAY better job marketing this game than Konami's whole PR did. He posted last night for the last time.

Me either... But, is true that thanks to both guys we know much information about the game. But, many of us here know, too, in speculation or other sources, right? Their information were strictly confidential?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 05:16:15 PM
Well who thought it would be a good idea to even talk about Bergaron outside of this forum?
Guilty here. And other people. This forum is public, you know.
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I hope he doesn't lose his job, Berg and Konami Leak Guy did a WAY better job marketing this game than Konami's whole PR did.
Pretty much.

This "scandal" was because people were asking what happened to the "Free MoF Pre-Order incentive" and of course begaron spilled the beans. BTW, I don't even think he works for konami, he's just very close to someone who is not so tight lipped and is in the upper management, otherwise he wouldn't had known about executive meetings (Japan being "aggressive" over a new LoS game, for example).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 12, 2014, 05:21:12 PM
OT: Damn this forum is hella slow lately...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 12, 2014, 05:36:40 PM
Someone needs to tell konami/MS/Cox/etc that Bergaron or not, it was painfully obvious that free MoF HD was what Cox wanted to do for the PC preorder.

I mean honestly. Cox wouldn't shut up about surprises and soon. what kind of surprise would be worth delaying PC preorders for half a month? surely not a bundle of the 2 skins and relic pack... The only obvious conclusion is that he was trying wo work out some sort of deal that included MoF HD as a preorder for PC users.

I didn't need Bergaron to say it for me to figure it out. I was already speculating it about a week before PC preorders opened, when PC users were starting to get more antsy about "where the hell is that preorder".

I Hope Bergaron doesn't get in trouble for something that was very obvious already... he merely confirmed the suspicions many already had, nothing more.

MS and Cox are VERY bad at keeping secrets, and not because of leaks. They are just way too open about details, which opens the floodgates of speculation, which usually ends up with somebody guessing correctly.

I second Mike Belmont's query- do you have a link to where this is being discussed? I'd like to give a piece of my mind there on this.

get Lords of Shadow 2 on PC for $40!

http://www.dealzon.com/deals/castlevania-lords-of-shadow#castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://www.dealzon.com/deals/castlevania-lords-of-shadow#castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
Where do i put the code in at Green man gaming?

Guilty here. And other people. This forum is public, you know.Pretty much.
Won't lie, me too. I never mentioned any names or where from though. Saying "a source from elsewhere" usually makes people assume /v/ anyway.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 12, 2014, 05:48:40 PM

MS and Cox are VERY bad at keeping secrets, and not because of leaks. They are just way too open about details, which opens the floodgates of speculation, which usually ends up with somebody guessing correctly.


Exactly, that is why my surprise to hear some one here, like Bergaron have troubles with the information leak. In the other hand, what would happen if he gave wrong info, like DLCs or Special Edition localization? I mean, this is an open forum, and everyone is free to talk/write, I think.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 12, 2014, 06:01:00 PM
Not surprising considering Ahasverus always posted about the leaks on fucking Neogaf, where there's one PR guy from Konami who reads the forum everyday. And always said that they were posted here. That was the main problem. Making references to his leaks would be ok, but saying where to find was a real problem.

Sadly, I think they'll track him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 12, 2014, 06:03:59 PM
So, the spoiler tags that many ask for it have not worked well after all, I supossed...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 12, 2014, 06:11:13 PM
So, the spoiler tags that many ask for it have not worked well after all, I supossed...
Spoiler topics shoud be avoided by people who don't want spoilers.

Call me a dick, but I'll spoil on this topic without a second thought if I can. If someone made a topic with "NO SPOILERS HERE", I wouldn't post spoilers there, because, common sense.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 12, 2014, 06:12:28 PM
Sadly, I think they'll track him.
I don't think so.  Not even Alvarez could. And if Klownami weren't such morons at almost everything (not blaming Mercury here) bergaron shouldn't had be needed.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 12, 2014, 06:19:38 PM
I don't think so.  Not even Alvarez could. And if Klownami weren't such morons at almost everything (not blaming Mercury here) bergaron shouldn't had be needed.
I don't think Konami are being dicks. Companies wants their secrets to be kept that way for their reasons. Things like this can both make people buy or not buy a game and since they can't control it, naturally they will be against it.

If Bergaron is someone from Konami, he probably signed a contract that prevented him of leaking things.
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Post by: crisis on February 12, 2014, 06:22:24 PM
i remember around late 2007/early 2008 there was a guy that suddenly appeared on GameFAQS of all places & posted a couple screenshots of the then-unknown Order of Ecclesia. he also asked for help for proper translation of the name of the first crab boss. not too long after he disappeared & the thread was removed

even before that i recall someone that was leaking us info about portrait of ruin. he/she stuck around for a lil while even after the game was released. then disappeared
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 12, 2014, 06:27:07 PM
i remember around late 2007/early 2008 there was a guy that suddenly appeared on GameFAQS of all places & posted a couple screenshots of the then-unknown Order of Ecclesia. he also asked for help for proper translation of the name of the first crab boss. not too long after he disappeared & the thread was removed

even before that i recall someone that was leaking us info about portrait of ruin. he/she stuck around for a lil while even after the game was released. then disappeared
I think that we can continue to expect things like this on the future, as this is the biggest Castlevania forum on the internet.
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Post by: Dremn on February 12, 2014, 06:44:51 PM
Let's not point fingers now, just cross your fingers our comrades will be able to avoid Konami's ninjas safe and sound.
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Post by: beingthehero on February 12, 2014, 06:53:47 PM
i remember around late 2007/early 2008 there was a guy that suddenly appeared on GameFAQS of all places & posted a couple screenshots of the then-unknown Order of Ecclesia. he also asked for help for proper translation of the name of the first crab boss. not too long after he disappeared & the thread was removed

And it was Gunlord of all people that suggested Brachyura.

I remember taunting the guy at first because we all that the screens were fake, and saying 'are you seriously kidding me? doesn't konami, a Japanese company, actually have a translation division?" and he said 'I AM THE TRANSLATION DIVISION!'

It was also Semianonymous that got him in trouble because he emailed Konami about the leaked screens to see if they were legit. That's when the guy disappeared....and then IGA said someone got fired for that in one of the OoE interviews.
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Post by: Gunlord on February 12, 2014, 06:58:08 PM
Man, I can't believe you remember that hero-kun. That was 6 years ago!

That said, I think the translator guy came back said he had indeed been released. He wasn't mad about it though, he admitted he did wrong cause he didn't know you're under an NDA when you do translation work like that. He said he wouldn't do it next time and was thankful for the lesson, since if he was on a more important project it might have been a lot worse.
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Post by: Flame on February 12, 2014, 07:19:41 PM
Why is this site so slow? jesus.

So i tried the demo the other night. man, that was smooth. From what I understand, it's not based on the final game, and I hope not, since one of the big issues that i think they fixed up in say, that toymaker video, is the fact that the attacks from all 3 weapons are a bit too flashy, and con very often result in you getting hit because you couldn't see the attack indicator over the bright flashy flash.

other than that, really smooth and visually impressive. if games like this look the way they do at the end of the generation's lifespan, (also, compare Saint's Row 1 with Saint's Row 4) Imagine what games will look like at the end of the new generation? I mean some games already look pretty impressive visually. Imagine!

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Post by: e105beta on February 12, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
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Sick burn
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 12, 2014, 08:02:38 PM
So, after hearing it, my thoughs about the soundtrack are:

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Let´s see and hear how that music fits in the middle of the game...
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Post by: KaZudra on February 12, 2014, 10:09:53 PM
Where do i put the code in at Green man gaming?
As you checkout, Paste the code in the Vouncer Section and add voucher, it should pop up when you click "next step"
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Post by: Bergaron on February 12, 2014, 10:52:15 PM
Konami's PR team are tracking Bergaron down :( They want to fire him/cut it from the company. Let's pray for him. We owe him a lot (and they owe him a lot of sales too).

If Konami or MS fire me without be one of its employees, it is certainly a "magic" company. Do not worry, there's an equal chance they'll do something like finding an honest politician in Spain

Konami PR Push this button
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Post by: Dremn on February 12, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuE4KZYH.png&hash=4dac193d7b6f25ab423a0de8f758b1fa)
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Post by: derision on February 12, 2014, 11:27:16 PM
Jesus, the full version of the Toymaker fight theme is awesome. Carmilla's got a pretty nice one too.

Also, about that "Castlevania" track... looking forward to whenever that plays since it's amazing. Unsurprisingly, those tiny little Amazon snippets don't do these justice.

I just want to spend the rest of the night picking out some tunes but I'm busy. Shit. By the way, does anyone know which track is the one that played in the VGA trailer?
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Post by: BigDotBomber on February 13, 2014, 12:33:33 AM
Looks like that Edge score turned out to be a 4/10. 
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Post by: Gamermeister on February 13, 2014, 12:40:22 AM
After listening to the full soundtrack, I have to say that I L-U-V-D it. Essentially, if you liked LoS's OST, you'll dig this one. I really liked the darker vibe. And it really is much more electronic. It actually reminded me a bit of the music from the Soul Reaver games. Great music there too. I also found the score had more movement. Lots of drums and rhythmic synths driving things along.

For someone who likes to blast instrumental music while working, this soundtrack is a must have. Its muey bueno!!!
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Post by: derision on February 13, 2014, 12:57:09 AM
Looks like that Edge score turned out to be a 4/10.

I read back a little and saw some mention of a possible edge score, but didn't see much details on the when/where/how. Anyone mind elaborating?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 13, 2014, 01:01:20 AM
Why is this site so slow? jesus.

The site suffers from too many people accessing it. There has been a large quantity of guests and new users registering here. I think it always happens when a new game is about to be released.
Just relax a bear with it until all the hype dissipates and we're back to our boring normal forum activities.

Hello again Bergaron!

As for the soundtrack, I'll just wait for it to appear on youtube cause I am too lazy to wait for downloads. hehehe.

On a side note: I also am wondering why is Konami Japan not promoting LOS2 on their main site. They are pushing MGSV instead.
I was hoping that they'll have some sort of event at Konami Style, but there is none. Does this mean that the release date for the Japanese translation is later than the worldwide release on Feb 25?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 13, 2014, 01:44:45 AM
SPOILER about Zobek fight (don't ask me where I got this from):

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Post by: Foffy on February 13, 2014, 01:55:56 AM
Dayum, where are all of these things coming from? Like..how in the world did the games entire soundtrack get dumped? It's in the demo.
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Post by: Dremn on February 13, 2014, 02:02:23 AM
SPOILER about Zobek fight (don't ask me where I got this from):

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Sounds amazing.

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Post by: Koutei on February 13, 2014, 02:52:55 AM
On a side note: I also am wondering why is Konami Japan not promoting LOS2 on their main site. They are pushing MGSV instead.
I was hoping that they'll have some sort of event at Konami Style, but there is none. Does this mean that the release date for the Japanese translation is later than the worldwide release on Feb 25?
Nope. It's 2014 TBA. Probably, March or April.

http://www.konami.jp/products/dracula_new/ (http://www.konami.jp/products/dracula_new/)
http://www.konami.jp/products/dracula_los2_xbox/ (http://www.konami.jp/products/dracula_los2_xbox/)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 13, 2014, 03:16:51 AM
Sounds amazing.

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Nope, sorry. :( But I was told how the final Boss will be fought:

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Post by: Dremn on February 13, 2014, 03:22:44 AM
Nope, sorry. :( But I was told how the final Boss will be fought:

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Post by: Nagumo on February 13, 2014, 06:04:23 AM
Looks like that Edge score turned out to be a 4/10.

Wow, that's pretty harsh. These first two reviews are not very good PR for this game.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 06:21:27 AM
Nope, sorry. :( But I was told how the final Boss will be fought:

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I don't know why I had this suspicion.
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Post by: thernz on February 13, 2014, 06:29:18 AM
are there any clips of the open world or stealth segments anywhere
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 06:45:38 AM
are there any clips of the open world or stealth segments anywhere
Not yet (and welcome back!).

So the game is apparently officialy bad, the stealth sucks, tje level design sucks and pads to no end. If this kills the series I will be very pissed off. Hopefully nor Cox nor Alvarez will ever touch this series again. Stupid cocky men.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on February 13, 2014, 07:00:44 AM
Not yet (and welcome back!).

So the game is apparently officialy bad, the stealth sucks, tje level design sucks and pads to no end. If this kills the series I will be very pissed off. Hopefully nor Cox nor Alvarez will ever touch this series again. Stupid cocky men.

My friend, you seem to really jump all over the place. One second you are in love with it, and another you are growing fangs. I say wait it out. I'm sure the title will be divisive to reviewers like how the first game was divisive to fans.

I wonder if this will impact the supposed prequel.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 13, 2014, 07:01:47 AM
Chaos Claws trailer

[New & Official] The Chaos Claws Unleashed [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGp506pAmjE#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 13, 2014, 07:09:18 AM
officialy bad, the stealth sucks, tje level design sucks
so lords 2 is a recreation of minera prison island in 3d
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 07:10:44 AM
My friend, you seem to really jump all over the place. One second you are in love with it, and another you are growing fangs. I say wait it out. I'm sure the title will be divisive to reviewers like how the first game was divisive to fans.

I wonder if this will impact the supposed prequel.

The reviewers/previewers seem as bipolar as Ahasverus, honestly.

I'll be interested to read the 4/10 review. That's a pretty awful score, and I'd like to see the justification.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 07:16:15 AM
I don't trust gameinformer, but I thrust edge. Look.

Quote
Excerpt from the review:

"the first lords of shadow is remembered as a commendable achievement from a relatively small team working to a comparatively tight budget. it's sequel, by contrast, cannot disguise the resources with which it was made. lords of shadow 2 is clunky, ugly and deeply misguided. it's a game that sees the lord of the damned as a vehicle for rat-powered linear stealth, and that takes a future gothic-london setting and then sets the action in tower blocks and sewers. mercury steam says this will be the final game in the lords of shadow saga, and on the evidence of the cluttered, bloated and forgettable mess, it's just as well."

......
But for all its litany of crimes, pacing is the biggest. There might be a half-decent ten-hour game in here somewhere, but instead what we have is stretched beyond breaking point and padded with dreary filler.

Halfway through the game, with a mutant infection threatening humanity's existence and a shady group making preparations to summon Satan to conquer the planet, Dracula spends a couple of hours finding Mirror of Fate fragments because the ghost of his dead son says he needs it to play with his toys. This sojourn to the netherworld hosts the nadir of a game with copious low points: another instafail stealth section in which you must evade Agreus, the goat-headed brother of Pan, as you traverse a garden littered with dead leaves that will alert your pursuer if you step on them. If he catches you, his whirlwind attack sends you back to the start. It's tortuous stuff, but the biggest insult is that you fight him immediately afterwards and it's a cakewalk.

.....
Stealth:
Good stealth games afford the player a flexible approach and a viable, if fraught, means of getting out of trouble if things go wrong. LOS2 omits the former - there is only ever 1 solution, and forcibly disables melee powers
Platforming:
Banal and unfailable linear platforming...
Plot/Script:
Voice talent wasted on a hokey script....
Visuals:
Even more shocking than the unimaginative visual design is how rough it all looks: Running at 720p but seemingly rendered some way south of this, this is a jagged mess with textures that, at times wouldn't look out of place in a PS2 game
Unlockable concept artwork...squirelled about the place....we found one piece in a bin bag, which felt appropriate in a sad sort of way
Combat
The sole saving grace is the combat system.
The boss fights are the high points of both character and combat design...
General
There may be a half-decent 10 hour game in here somewhere, but instead what we have is streched beyong breaking point and padded with dreary filler.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 07:26:29 AM
I don't trust gameinformer, but I thrust edge. Look.

Honestly? It sounds like there are few legitimate complaints in there, but the rest sounds like someone pissed in their polenta.

Stealth:
Even if it is fucking atrocious, we know it's not even close to a majority of the game, yet all the reviewers seem to be focusing on it like it's the defining feature of the game.
Platforming:
Nothing new here. Everyone made the same complaints about the first one. 8/10.
Plot/Script:
^^^
Visuals:
Yeah, ok, I played the demo. Nice try.
Combat:
Oh wow, the primary focus of the game is actually good. Would you look at that?

Seriously, I'm going to play the game for myself, and make my own decision. I'm a forgiving gamer. I can deal with bad pacing and get through a couple of annoying stealth segments if the meat and potatoes of the game are good.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 13, 2014, 07:29:22 AM
finding things in garbage bins is a thing i love in video games, from deus ex to bioshock
i'm glad lords 2 keeps up the standard in that regard
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on February 13, 2014, 07:31:36 AM
I think the stealth stuff deserves to be hammered, for even on paper, it just sounds fucking BAD. Stealth in Castlevania? Starring a powerful vampire lord? It screams "well, we sort of want to just check boxes for AAA games". This is never, ever a good reason to include it.

This is how we got QTEs all over the fucking place with this subseries, too. But enough criticism helped MercurySteam realize that they're garbage and can (and should) be turned off. Too bad they won't be making another Castlevania with rat transformations, huh? ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 07:32:36 AM
Of course I'm buying the game, that's because I'm a sucker, Konami must br laughing at me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 13, 2014, 07:48:55 AM
its just a shame that even if the stealth segments are few & far between, theyre annoying enough that almost every review ive read hasnt described them in any positive light. i can just picture a part towards the end where after i pass a few obstacles, theres another stealth section around the corner, and ill be all like "ugh not this again"

the bland factory levels are also worrying too. they say the city itself is visually & aesthetically impressive, but once you go behind all that and enter a warehouse box factory, it falls flat & uninspired. sounds like a major buzzkill :/

that said, despite all this & thernz seizure-inducing signature, i still cant wait to play it
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 13, 2014, 07:49:37 AM
I wonder if Rugal feels vindicated.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 07:53:46 AM
I think the stealth stuff deserves to be hammered, for even on paper, it just sounds fucking BAD. Stealth in Castlevania? Starring a powerful vampire lord? It screams "well, we sort of want to just check boxes for AAA games". This is never, ever a good reason to include it.

This is how we got QTEs all over the fucking place with this subseries, too. But enough criticism helped MercurySteam realize that they're garbage and can (and should) be turned off. Too bad they won't be making another Castlevania with rat transformations, huh? ;)

Dude, hammer the stealth all you want. I don't really give two shits because it probably won't hamper my experience all that much, and if you think it'll kill some sort of upcoming trend, all the more power to you.

I just think it's disingenuous to downrate an entire game based on a segment that is supposedly 10% of the game, if even that. 7/10? Sure. 4/10? Nah...

I'm just not seeing how these reviews are lining up with the LoS1 reviews. Aside from the stealth, it seems to be bringing up all the same issues, while noting that the combat and boss battles, the focus of the game, has improved greatly, and aside from Edge, everyone has been praising the graphics. Yet LoS1 got largely positive reviews, and people are slamming LoS2 for the same stuff, yet it's getting far, far worse reviews because "lolbadstealth". To warrant a 50% drop in quality, that stealth better be buttfucking awful.

Like, I should want to take it up the rear rather than play through it.

I wonder if Rugal feels vindicated.

I thought he was pretty vindicated by MoF.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: knightmere on February 13, 2014, 08:04:23 AM
If its any consolation, hopefully Konami will recognize the error of their ways and stop outsourcing Castlevania to shitty devs like MS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 13, 2014, 08:07:41 AM
The sudden turnaround in this thread suprises me. What happend to all reviewers are hacks?

I wonder if Rugal feels vindicated.

I honestly wondered the same thing earlier today.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 08:11:25 AM
its just a shame that even if the stealth segments are few & far between, theyre annoying enough that almost every review ive read hasnt described them in any positive light.

This guy liked them, but I've concluded he's a freak:
http://zedgamesau.net/reviews-2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview (http://zedgamesau.net/reviews-2/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview)

The sudden turnaround in this thread suprises me. What happend to all reviewers are hacks?

Does it really surprise you? Haven't things always been this volatile?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 08:12:41 AM
If its any consolation, hopefully Konami will recognize the error of their ways and stop outsourcing Castlevania to shitty devs like MS.
What? They will relegate it tp bargain bin, it won't surprise me if the next developers are Zynga.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on February 13, 2014, 08:19:02 AM
Dude, hammer the stealth all you want. I don't really give two shits because it probably won't hamper my experience all that much, and if you think it'll kill some sort of upcoming trend, all the more power to you.

I just think it's disingenuous to downrate an entire game based on a segment that is supposedly 10% of the game, if even that. 7/10? Sure. 4/10? Nah...

I'm just not seeing how these reviews are lining up with the LoS1 reviews. Aside from the stealth, it seems to be bringing up all the same issues, while noting that the combat and boss battles, the focus of the game, has improved greatly, and aside from Edge, everyone has been praising the graphics. Yet LoS1 got largely positive reviews, and people are slamming LoS2 for the same stuff, yet it's getting far, far worse reviews because "lolbadstealth". To warrant a 50% drop in quality, that stealth better be buttfucking awful.

Like, I should want to take it up the rear rather than play through it.

I understand what you mean. I am not saying the stealth is clearly so bad it docks the game this heavily, as I'm sure there is more to it. But I do think it's telling that a small element of the game has yet to be praised, and only highlighted as perhaps the worst thing about it thus far.


If its any consolation, hopefully Konami will recognize the error of their ways and stop outsourcing Castlevania to shitty devs like MS.

What is Silent Hill? :3c
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 13, 2014, 08:25:26 AM
Now im really curious to see the stealth segment with Agreus, just to see how bad it is.

I don't even think the titan fights in LOS1 got THIS much shit.

I wonder if Rugal feels vindicated.

If I had to guess, this is how he's feeling right now:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzSAElpH.gif&hash=baee3978952a2f1fe927b9d54386abd9)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 13, 2014, 08:30:03 AM
so who here is gonna upload the soundtrack to youtube already? im waiting
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 13, 2014, 08:37:47 AM
If its any consolation, hopefully Konami will recognize the error of their ways and stop outsourcing Castlevania to shitty devs like MS.

 ¿Que significa exactamente "shitty devs"?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 08:46:23 AM
I understand what you mean. I am not saying the stealth is clearly so bad it docks the game this heavily, as I'm sure there is more to it. But I do think it's telling that a small element of the game has yet to be praised, and only highlighted as perhaps the worst thing about it thus far.

It's probably terrible. I have little doubt of that. I get that the idea of vampire glamour and trickery is cool, but I have no idea why MercurySteam put it in. It has no place in a HnS, and it has no origin in the history of Castlevania.

But if the stealth is the worse thing about it, then good, because I expect the stealth to be bad. How about the combat? Is that good? Apparently it is, but let's focus on how the stealth isn't.

As someone who uses reviews to get an idea of what he's getting into before playing a game, I'm frustrated that these reviews lack any real value. They focus primarily on the bad side features and not the admittedly good core features. I mean, yeah, the game as a whole might actually be bad, but that's not what I'm seeing in the review.

The only other legitimate complaint I'm seeing is the pacing, which I would understand a bit more if it was longer than LoS1, but since it's clocking in at about the same amount of time, I wish they would go into more detail about WHY the pacing is so much worse in LoS2.

It's like all of the fan reactions to Mass Effect 3. Yes, that ending was pretty bad, and it definitely wasn't what I was looking forward to, but to say Mass Effect 3 ruined the series because of it would be stupid because the game itself was pretty phenomenal. 2 years out, when I think of the game, I don't think of the ending, I think of the 98% of the game that was really frikkin' awesome. I guess it's a good thing that reviewers typically don't finish games in that case :P

so who here is gonna upload the soundtrack to youtube already? im waiting

I already converted everything to MP3.  I can do it when I get home from work.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 13, 2014, 09:00:28 AM
I don`t know if im asking too much but if you can share a torrent with the ost it would be awesome
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 09:04:45 AM
I don`t know if im asking too much but if you can share a torrent with the ost it would be awesome

I would, but I do not have the upload bandwidth to seed it. Sorry.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 09:10:08 AM
I don`t know if im asking too much but if you can share a torrent with the ost it would be awesome
I'll fp it, give me a few hours.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
What if MercurySteam day 1 patched out the stealth?

Beach Boys - Wouldn't It Be Nice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlVmv0K-pk#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 13, 2014, 09:27:12 AM
The irony that Lords 1 was supervised by the maestro of stealth, Mr. Hideo "Metal Gear" Gillian Kojima.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 09:41:15 AM
OSt torrent here (please seed) http://www.4shared.com/file/Prnjo_zXba/LoS2_ost.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/Prnjo_zXba/LoS2_ost.html)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 13, 2014, 11:29:57 AM
Ahasverus, what happened to you? One second you were touting LoS2's infinite merits and complaining about unprofessional reviews, the next you're lamenting Konami's choice in choosing MercurySteam as a developer. I've never been so completely confused in my life. Did Rugal steal your account? Is he forcing you at gunpoint to write these lines?

People, the game hasn't yet been released -- why is this entire forum giving up hope all of sudden because two leaked reviews were supposedly negative? They may very well be accurate, but at this point they hardly constitute what you could call a general consensus. Why don't we wait at least until official reviews are actually written before starting to complain?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on February 13, 2014, 11:32:06 AM
You guys are awesome.

I'll make a deal with all of you right now.. Mail me your $60, and I'll mail you a copy of Metal Gear Rising or Devil May Cry 3. The choice is yours. No need to spend $60 on the (shaping up to be) garbage that is Lords of Shadow 2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 11:35:17 AM
Ahasverus, what happened to you? One second you were touting LoS2's infinite merits and complaining about unprofessional reviews, the next you're lamenting Konami's choice in choosing MercurySteam as a developer. I've never been so completely confused in my life. Did Rugal steal your account? Is he forcing you at gunpoint to write these lines?

People, the game hasn't yet been released -- why is this entire forum giving up hope all of sudden because two leaked reviews were supposedly negative? They may very well be accurate, but at this point they hardly constitute what you could call a general consensus. Why don't we wait at least until official reviews are actually written before starting to complain?

God I felt like everyone was going insane. Nice to know you still have a good head on your shoulders, Intersection, HOWEVER MUCH I MAY DISAGREE WITH THE THOUGHTS THAT COME OUT OF IT.

 :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 11:44:22 AM
Ahasverus, what happened to you? One second you were touting LoS2's infinite merits and complaining about unprofessional reviews, the next you're lamenting Konami's choice in choosing MercurySteam as a developer. I've never been so completely confused in my life. Did Rugal steal your account? Is he forcing you at gunpoint to write these lines?

People, the game hasn't yet been released -- why is this entire forum giving up hope all of sudden because two leaked reviews were supposedly negative? They may very well be accurate, but at this point they hardly constitute what you could call a general consensus. Why don't we wait at least until official reviews are actually written before starting to complain?
Gameinformer review was very unprofessional, the Edge review actually has some valid complaints, and truth to be said, they are baffling. MS had all the time in the world, had their chances, had our confidence and support, and they deliver a sub par product filled with "brilliant ideas" that don¿t have anything to do in the game. And in the procsess put the entire series in peril. This is a no win situation, if the game sells, people would be supppporting a game that fundamentally doesn't work, and if it doesn't, the series is dead. I don't know what to think right now, I'm as conflicted as you are about myself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 13, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
I'm as conflicted as you are about myself.

Are you? That's one extremely self-assured total heelturn there.

I enjoyed the demo and am still looking forward to the game. This is one of those games where I definitely want to play it for myself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 13, 2014, 12:14:21 PM
I personally am going to wait for the general consensus of reviews before buying. Even though the demo by itself seemed good enough, who's to say that the main game won't be bad?

If some of these complaints are true, then they should have focused more on making a good linear game that took some new ideas and executed them in a good way than have a big, open-world that is full of problems. It seems like linear 3D Castlevania games always seem to review better than the ones that try to be like Metroid. As great as a 3D Metroidvania would be, I'd take a more linear Castlevania over a flawed Metroidvania game any day. (for the 3D entries)

Of course, the above is my inference of 3Dvania from what I have observed. We will have to wait until the game releases to get all of the review scores...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 13, 2014, 12:17:14 PM
Man Ahaverus went and turned heel. Now he's gonna be walking around with the back and white colors and the Hollywood shades. :(


I still wanna play it, I've played shit games plenty of times before and this game may end up being the best shit game of the year.

You guys are awesome.

I'll make a deal with all of you right now.. Mail me your $60, and I'll mail you a copy of Metal Gear Rising or Devil May Cry 3. The choice is yours. No need to spend $60 on the (shaping up to be) garbage that is Lords of Shadow 2.

I can get those games for free, not to mention I have those games already.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on February 13, 2014, 12:18:27 PM
You guys are awesome.

I'll make a deal with all of you right now.. Mail me your $60, and I'll mail you a copy of Metal Gear Rising or Devil May Cry 3. The choice is yours. No need to spend $60 on the (shaping up to be) garbage that is Lords of Shadow 2.

Neither game is worth $60, so you're just trying to steal from people! O:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on February 13, 2014, 12:31:55 PM
Neither game is worth $60, so you're just trying to steal from people! O:

You're right.. But LoS2 isn't worth $60. My advice to everyone is to skip LoS2 and just go buy Dark Souls 2. The game will be better in every way.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 12:34:31 PM
I still wanna play it, I've played shit games plenty of times before and this game may end up being the best shit game of the year.
lol I love your mentality. I want some.
You're right.. But LoS2 isn't worth $60. My advice to everyone is to skip LoS2 and just go buy Dark Souls 2. The game will be better in every way.
Except graphics (Which are hideous). And some people don't like their games to rape them.


I for one, will buy this game AND South Park :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on February 13, 2014, 12:36:26 PM
You're right.. But LoS2 isn't worth $60. My advice to everyone is to skip LoS2 and just go buy Dark Souls 2. The game will be better in every way.

Dark Souls II? My man. <3
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 13, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
You're right.. But LoS2 isn't worth $60. My advice to everyone is to skip LoS2 and just go buy Dark Souls 2. The game will be better in every way.

Oh wow, the youtube troll has an account here. What do you know.

I'll pass on the advice.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 12:41:49 PM
There is no need to be upset (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 13, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
lol I love your mentality. I want some.


Just take some "Fuck it" and enjoy life.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on February 13, 2014, 12:48:31 PM
LoS raped our love for Castlevania.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 12:53:31 PM
LoS raped our love for Castlevania.
Eh, LoS reignited mine, it's LoS2 (not even MoF) what hurts me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on February 13, 2014, 12:55:46 PM
I don't get why you're so discouraged all of a sudden. You should at least wait till the game comes out.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 13, 2014, 01:03:14 PM
I got a chance to quickly click through the soundtrack earlier and didn't come across the VGA trailer theme.

Hey, that 4:20 "enough talk" track sounds like a potential Victor boss battle. Hot or cold? Haven't kept up on the spoilers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 13, 2014, 01:06:21 PM
The irony that Lords 1 was supervised by the maestro of stealth, Mr. Hideo "Metal Gear" Gillian Kojima.

exactly lol.

If they wanted some stealth in their new take on the CV series than I think it would have been better and more believable to do it in LOS1 when Gabriel was a human vampire hunter and they had the supervision of the best there is in the stealth department Hideo Kojima watching their back.

Instead they did it in LOS2 where not only was Hideo not involved this time around, we now have a very powerful vampire lord we are playing as having to sneak around certain areas in the game, yea its understandable in his weakened decrypted state, but any form after that I don't see it as necessary one bit.

And another complaint I am seeing is the bland level design of some of the areas in the city, believe it or not I was looking forward to the city settings and what they would do with it, but after reading some of the reviews my hopes have gone down by a lot, I still hear that it looks fantastic at certain parts however.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 13, 2014, 01:24:49 PM
As far as I know, the only reviewer that most of us had contact was the spanish guy, I don't remember his name. He said the game was ok. I think that the problem here is that LOS2 is overly criticized because they keep comparing it to other games and older Castlevania games. The stealth parts in the game, I think that were just to fill story gaps. Dracul begins weak and fire arms will kill him, so he's gotta hide. When he grows on power, stealth will no longer be necessary. I think that stealth bits were designed just as a little plus on the gameplay, this is not Batman: Arkham City. Apart from that, the gameplay, combat seems solid, the music IMO is great. We just have to wait to play the game for ourselves. I am almost 30 years old and I had my share of played games. One thing that I am sure of is that if you like the game, that game can be the best game of all universe, even if others say it's shit, or you just won't like it. Just play the game and make your own judgement.

LOS brought back Castlevania to a wider audience. Not just the same fanbase IGA built (which is a good thing). I do hope that LOS catalyzes a more deep approach to a Castlevania story, a new story.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
I got a chance to quickly click through the soundtrack earlier and didn't come across the VGA trailer theme.

Hey, that 4:20 "enough talk" track sounds like a potential Victor boss battle. Hot or cold? Haven't kept up on the spoilers.
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Post by: derision on February 13, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
Cooold
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Any reason in particular why you didn't just say "cold" and end it right there? I basically hung a bright red neon sign over my post telling you to use your discretion.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 13, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
I think that the problem here is that LOS2 is overly criticized because they keep comparing it to other games and older Castlevania games.

I don't think that is the problem here as far as reviewers goes since LOS1 did pretty good in the review department.

Which really does beg the question as to why so many of the reviews as of late has been more negative than positive when reviewing LOS2?

Especially in comparison to its predecessor LOS1?

So I can't agree with the notion that the reviewers are overly criticizing is here due to what you said since LOS1 proves to the contrary here.

I think they have legitimate complaints about it and are basing the score on those legit complaints, sure a 4/10 is harsh, that I can agree on fully, but from what I've read and heard a 7/10 is pretty fair here.
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Post by: Dremn on February 13, 2014, 01:33:18 PM
Just wait until the game is out and play it for yourselves guys.

If LoS2 does turn out to be terrible, than the two things that's really worrying me right now are Konami going gung-ho with a LoS3, or deciding fuck it, Castlevania should die off for a long time. Seeing good 2D Castlevania completely disappear would be heart breaking.

The LoS series doesn't have anything to do with the sole reason I fell in love with Castlevania in the first place; the gameplay. I appreciate LoS's aesthetics and art direction but I really wish all of that would be applied to a Classicvania or true Metroidvania with the familiar gameplay we all know and love, candle whipping and catchy ass music and all.

When I think about it I feel like I developed a small case of stockholm syndrome because LoS is the only thing that has to do with Castlevania right now. :(
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 13, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
Just wait until the game is out and play it for yourselves guys.

If LoS2 does turn out to be terrible, than the two things that's really worrying me right now are Konami going gung-ho with a LoS3

Them doing a LOS3 without MS should be out of the cards anyway since the LOS series is their baby and should end when they decide to end it, which is LOS2.

And the LOS series while carrying the Castlevania name is still its own thing, they could easily either go back to the original series or hand it off for another developer to get a shot with a new reboot even if LOS2 fails.

I doubt they would give up on the Castlevania series if LOS2 failed.
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Post by: crisis on February 13, 2014, 02:04:42 PM
well theres always Pachislot 3 to look forward to
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Post by: Maedhros on February 13, 2014, 02:18:36 PM
Remember when I said that LoS2 would sell worse than LoS? Some people on Neogaf didn't believe in me. If these reviews keep coming with 4~6... man... garbage bin material.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 13, 2014, 02:29:48 PM
...One thing that I am sure of is that if you like the game, that game can be the best game of all universe, even if others say it's shit, or you just won't like it. Just play the game and make your own judgement...

Yes, I share your words. For example, nearly every gamer that I know hates GOW Judgment, but I love it, and I put it second to GOW2 in my Gears preferences.

But, for the reviews of LoS 2, the major complaint is the stealth section. Maybe MS will put a patch to change it? Like SCE Santa Monica does with GoW Ascension to low the difficulty in certain part of the game. But many of us here haven´t played the game, so when the game comes out, we will say our own opinion of that portion of the game.

Personally, I don´t like too much the stealth in gaming. When I played Batman Begins in PS2 a few years ago, I love the stealth parts, so I bought Splinter Cell Chaos Theory to prove a "real" stealth game. I simply hate it... So, in few words, I like the stealth to not be the entire gameplay in a game, and not to be so "realistic". So, I am sure that the stealth parts in LOS 2 will be the different gameplay that many hates, like the Colossus part were in the first one :P...
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Post by: Kingshango on February 13, 2014, 02:47:46 PM
Remember when I said that LoS2 would sell worse than LoS? Some people on Neogaf didn't believe in me. If these reviews keep coming with 4~6... man... garbage bin material.

Looks like I was right when I said that the 8 from Spainkiller will be the highest score this game gets. Sites like Gamespot, IGN, Giantbomb etc. are gonna rip this game apart.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 03:08:31 PM
A finnish magazine gave it like a 9.5. This game will be more divisive thn God Hand.
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Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 03:10:54 PM
End then, in the ultimate divine joke, IGN gives this game a 10/10

You heard it here first, folks.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 13, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
A finnish magazine gave it like a 9.5. This game will be more divisive thn God Hand.

Nah I thinks it's gonna be pretty straightforward ranging from 4 to 7 (or if we take the 5 star system to account, 2 to 3 stars), especially coming from the US based sites.

End then, in the ultimate divine joke, IGN gives this game a 10/10

You heard it here first, folks.

They didn't like the first two games, no way is that happening. Hell the way things are going, I'd be a miracle if it got anything higher than a 5 from IGN if even Edge and GI hates it. They may as well not even bother to review the game anyway.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 13, 2014, 03:38:53 PM
Ign....

The guys who have Judgment a 7.5 and Mirror of fate a 4....
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 03:42:04 PM
LoS2 getting a 2 from ign confirmed lol
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Post by: Dremn on February 13, 2014, 03:47:35 PM
Really surprising LoS1 scored higher than LoS2 so far when LoS2 has way more to do with what we would associate Castlevania with aesthetically. Not to mention actually having Dracula, Alucard, and a Belmont clan. I figured things like that would earn it a few extra points, y'know? Obviously though the gameplay is what ultimately matters, LoS1 wasn't favored for it's gameplay either.

I still think including Satan, or even making him an important plot point is probably the dumbest thing ever for Castlevania. Like, Satan has never had anything to do with the series before, besides the presence of evil everywhere.

I mean, Dracula's right hand man is Death. As far as I'm concerned Dracula in the old canon was "Satan" himself.

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Post by: jestercolony on February 13, 2014, 03:49:10 PM
Why is it, that everyone happens to be so worried about the reviews? I personally believe that game shouldn't be based around reviews because I have discovered that some of the most "shitty reviewed" games happen to be the best, while other reviews score the even shittier fanboy games. Seriously, if all they are bitching about is the stealth segments of the game, just maybe that the fact is, is that they are horrible at stealth gameplay elements to begin with. Personally, from all my years of gaming: Absolutely do not let reviews stun you away from a game that you might enjoy. I read a review once that Zone of the Enders was horrible, but when I played it (it was out for awhile) I absolutely loved it. No, I didn't buy it for the MGS2 demo, because I already had MGS2.  Personally, in my belief, most of these reviewist don't even bother to understand the game fully, they rush through it, only picking up on the small flaws here and there that could stun the game overall. I remember when people used to say that most of the move set in LoS1 was useless, but when you actually sit down and begin to understand the game, you clearly will see that these people are morons and really have no business being paid to play video games to begin with.

Remember, these are idiots who are playing on the Easy setting, expecting to get their hands held because they are so spoiled by easy-win games that require no strategy or critical thinking. Their objective is to find every thing that is wrong with the game, instead of highlighting it's grand mechanics. An example of this, is calling LoS a God of War clone, when the games are in fact entirely the two games have different game play mechanics. In God of War, all you had to do was use the same combo over and over again (an "I win button") while in LoS, you are supplied with a Focus Combat system that punishes you when you use the same combo too many times, and provides Knock Down/Back mechnics, along with AoE and CC. No real strategy there folks, yep, just another clone.

I really wouldn't even bother listening to reviews - I will either research the via videos (game play only) and or buy the game myself to make a final judgement on if I like the game or not and personally, I will not make a final judgement of the game until I have actually beat the game, not just after playing 3-4 hours of it.

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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 13, 2014, 04:02:11 PM
another thing that I was looking forward to but now appears to have been dashed is how this game was supposed to be "not linear".

While from what I read it is true that the game is not as linear as LOS1 it is still not as open as I would have liked.

Maybe my opinion on it will change when I play it, but from what I've seen and read the game does not have the kind of exploration and open worldness I was hoping for.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 13, 2014, 04:03:10 PM
We are an enthusiast forum. Call it hardcore gamers if you want. Our opinions about reviews can be very different from the mainstream one, but it doesn't matter, when most of the people take these score seriously.

I'm sure people here and in other places will enjoy the game. Just don't think it'll be remembered as a success.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 13, 2014, 04:05:10 PM
 Venga tios, dejo el foro por un día y me encuentro todo este montón de despropósitos:

 - Supuestas reviews (que no aparecen en ningún link) que ponen a LoS2 por los suelos.
 - Haters y trolls de CLoS emergen con fuerza y se apoyan en estas supuestas "rivius" para tirar argumentos cargados de excrementos y el "que vuelva IGA" de turno.
 - La mitad del foro (los no trolls de IGA) que tienen fe en el juego, tambaleándose por las notas de las reviews.

 No voy a dar argumentos porque veo que por aquí, cabezotas sois un rato, y eso está claro que no va a cambiar pero, para creer que un 2 es una nota profesional, con un buen baremo, que no ha sido colocada después de expulsar vilis y estertores de niña del exorcista, entonces, ya no es que seáis cabezotas, sino más bien una piara de ovejas deseosas de escuchar un "que viene el lobo" para salir desperdigadas por el monte como locas.

 Y tu @Rugal, tanto que estás promocionando la compra del Dark Souls 2 antes que la del CLoS2, instala el veterano Blade: The Edge of Darkness, también de Mercury Steam (es más, hacerlos todos), a ver de donde "se emborracha" el Dark Souls2; eso también lo digo para el que llamó a los de Mercury Steam "novatos".
 Sorry for not write in english, just too late in Spain, and too bewildered for the way that have taken the forum.
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Post by: Dremn on February 13, 2014, 04:08:04 PM
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Damn, I do remember that. Nice job man.
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Post by: Flame on February 13, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
You're right.. But LoS2 isn't worth $60. My advice to everyone is to skip LoS2 and just go buy Dark Souls 2. The game will be better in every way.
Good thing I'm getting it for 40$! That Yogscast discount is just too good.

LoS raped our love for Castlevania.
Don't speak for me. Lords of Shadow had me hyped as hell back when it was teased. Finally, a good, big budget Castlevania that promised to not be quirky and rehashed, or clunky. I loved LoI, but it was far from perfect. And even for a PS2 game, it didn't really take advantage of the graphical capability.

And then there was shit like the DS games and Judgement... Which really turned me way off. LoS was a Castlevania game I could actually be excited about. That actually got attention again, as opposed to off hand mentions in tiny editorials in gaming magazines.

I don't get why you're so discouraged all of a sudden. You should at least wait till the game comes out.
I'm surprised to see you of all people, suggesting someone wait till a LoS game comes out to hate or like it...

But I agree. I don't know why you are getting so worked up Ahasverus. A review is just an opinion. And ever since the 2000's, it's popular to hate on everything for arbitrary reasons. Game reviews are jokes.

play the demo, buy the game, then make up your own mind. Dont let other people decide for you whether you should like or dislike it.

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Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 05:21:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLP6b6mOolw&list=PLjpCQ7mEEYOh6LbadgYTxWgLO58gSEgf-&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLP6b6mOolw&list=PLjpCQ7mEEYOh6LbadgYTxWgLO58gSEgf-&index=1)

It's a work in progress
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Post by: Anglachel on February 13, 2014, 06:45:04 PM
Good thing I'm getting it for 40$! That Yogscast discount is just too good.
Don't speak for me. Lords of Shadow had me hyped as hell back when it was teased. Finally, a good, big budget Castlevania that promised to not be quirky and rehashed, or clunky. I loved LoI, but it was far from perfect. And even for a PS2 game, it didn't really take advantage of the graphical capability.

And then there was shit like the DS games and Judgement... Which really turned me way off. LoS was a Castlevania game I could actually be excited about. That actually got attention again, as opposed to off hand mentions in tiny editorials in gaming magazines.
I'm surprised to see you of all people, suggesting someone wait till a LoS game comes out to hate or like it...

But I agree. I don't know why you are getting so worked up Ahasverus. A review is just an opinion. And ever since the 2000's, it's popular to hate on everything for arbitrary reasons. Game reviews are jokes.

play the demo, buy the game, then make up your own mind. Dont let other people decide for you whether you should like or dislike it.



Hear, hear! Castlevania has never gripped me so until I played Lords of Shadow. It fully engrossed me in the series like never before! Happy to have it and don't ever want to get rid of it.  :D :)
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Post by: crisis on February 13, 2014, 06:50:06 PM
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Hear, hear! Castlevania has never gripped me so until I played Lords of Shadow. It fully engrossed me in the series like never before! Happy to have it and don't ever want to get rid of it.  :D :)

if u love it so much than why dont u marry it!!!!!  >:( >:(
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 07:05:49 PM
OK you guys I hope you had enjoyed the ost torrent, I have to turn off my pc now, the bill is going through the roof
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Post by: Kingshango on February 13, 2014, 08:10:11 PM
Y'all careful what I post here now, seems we got some official Konami people monitoring this thread.
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Post by: Lilgigs on February 13, 2014, 08:34:27 PM
It has already been said but some of you need it hammered home. Play the game and decide for yourself. If you don't want to pay $60 then don't. Wait for a sale, rent it, split it with a friend.

Don' t start ripping a game until you've played it. Reviews are opinions, everyone has one. Rugal has his, King has his, I have mine. LOS wasn't for everyone and LOS2 will be the same.

A lot of people rip Castlevania 64 but I love that game. I still remember renting it and liking it so much I bought it 2 days later. From having to carry a bomb from room to room and not get hit to skeletons on motorcycles to that damn garden maze, so many good memories.

If you base all your purchases off reviews you will miss out on some fun games.

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Post by: Dremn on February 13, 2014, 08:49:14 PM
Y'all careful what I post here now, seems we got some official Konami people monitoring this thread.
BRING BACK GOEMON
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Post by: Neobelmont on February 13, 2014, 08:52:06 PM
Y'all careful what I post here now, seems we got some official Konami people monitoring this thread.

I'm really lost not only because school has started but alot of things are happening at the moment so can someone please tell what the heck has happened all what I know is that the pc version is jipped, reviews are lackluster and now konami is watching us so if you guys and girls are watching Let me say this. Ever since Konami has grace this new logo(the one in the upper right) there has never been an new oldschool vania and no, remakes(CVARB,DxC,CvC,) do not count.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgameswalls.com%2Fwallpapers%2Fr%2Frumble-roses%2Fkonami-1.jpg&hash=68783493dafb16b257c4954fb8d52dc6)


If I could put in my two cents in. I cannot comprehend how critics are just hammering down on this and with that knowledge comes this, There are alot of people that will agree with them and will become afraid to check it out and you know what I say to that? Screw it. I've been waiting four years and I refuse to let a whole bunch of people who are not going into detail about the things that make this bad and to only talk about the bad to disgruntle me (whiff of garlic breath heck you  must smell like garlic breath)  >:( If I followed the damn crowd I would lose me and I like what I like. How could one part cripple the whole game my mind cannot make sense of it.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 13, 2014, 09:01:50 PM
Eh Konami, we'll all buy your game, but we always do, it's not us you should be worried right now. Of course if this game is a dissapointment some of us might leave or grow bitter, and taht itself is pretty bad, but you amde these games to catch another audience, one with no emotional attatchment to the series, one that can abandon you without notice, they just want /a/ great game. If you falied with that, you wasted 6 years for nothing.
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Post by: Neobelmont on February 13, 2014, 09:08:17 PM
Eh Konami, we'll all buy your game, but we always do, it's not us you should be worried right now. Of course if this game is a dissapointment some of us might leave or grow bitter, and taht itself is pretty bad, but you amde these games to catch another audience, one with no emotional attatchment to the series, one that can abandon you without notice, they just want /a/ great game. If you falied with that, you wasted 6 years for nothing.
Here's a question if it's great, incredible but, what if it's not a great game what then? Will you leave it or grow bitter(I think this should be a question I think all should answer it's interesting) . It takes alot for me to become bitter(Mof did this to a point) at a series, but a four year wait can do that as well yet, from what I've seen and played I can't believe it's bad.
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Post by: Dremn on February 13, 2014, 09:25:08 PM
I'll definitely be one of those people who will grow bitter or just give up on the series if LoS2 is awful, or if they make a LoS3. I'm probably not the type of fan they're interested in anymore anyway though.
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Post by: e105beta on February 13, 2014, 09:31:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLP6b6mOolw&list=PLjpCQ7mEEYOh6LbadgYTxWgLO58gSEgf- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLP6b6mOolw&list=PLjpCQ7mEEYOh6LbadgYTxWgLO58gSEgf-)

Ok, all done. Enjoy and get hyped. Lord knows this forum needs it.
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Post by: Dremn on February 13, 2014, 09:45:36 PM
Man Dracula's theme is so good, if only the whole discography for the LoS series sounded as good as that song and Belmont's theme. It's nice to have actual melody in the music.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 13, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
BRING BACK GOEMON
Kid Dracula too!  ;)
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 13, 2014, 10:10:14 PM
Here's a question if it's great, incredible but, what if it's not a great game what then? Will you leave it or grow bitter(I think this should be a question I think all should answer it's interesting) . It takes alot for me to become bitter(Mof did this to a point) at a series, but a four year wait can do that as well yet, from what I've seen and played I can't believe it's bad.

If it is not great, but I liked it, I would retain in my collection of games. I did the same to games like Ninja Blade, Bulletstorm, GOW Judgment, Matrix Path of Neo, Rygar, Shinobi, Nightshade... and many more. Games with low scores in some reviews, and part of my collection. Yes, I know that their are not CV games, but, I see the other side of the coin: I still do not accept the LoS saga at all. The first one was really good, as a game, but not a CV one, for me. So, I were a little bitter here, when, after finish it and complete some challenges, I changed it for Arkham City, without doubt. Maybe some day I will play it again...

I mean, LoS 2 could be a very good game. Many would love it, old school CV fans, IGA fans, LoS fans, and non CV fans, because when they played it, it will be great for them. I played the demo this morning, and I like it. I will buy it (not at first day) 'cause is a CV game, but even if its a good game, maybe my "bitter" side will change it for other game... maybe Arkham Origins? :rollseyes:
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Post by: Munchy on February 13, 2014, 11:12:55 PM
If LoS2 does turn out to be terrible, than the two things that's really worrying me right now are Konami going gung-ho with a LoS3, or deciding fuck it, Castlevania should die off for a long time. Seeing good 2D Castlevania completely disappear would be heart breaking.

Whatever comes next, I honestly doubt Castlevania will be shelved. It's survived 25 years with mostly middling sales, so I doubt Konami would drop it when an entry that sold (comparatively) gangbusters was made only a couple years ago.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 14, 2014, 03:23:31 AM
Just my 2 cents on the reviews issue.
I think some people are so concerned with the reviews simply because it would prevent newbies from ever purchasing the game. And sometimes for some people the reviews matter more than word of mouth.
As for myself, i don't care about the reviews, I buy what I want.

As for the official Konami people monitoring the boards, Akumajou Dracula Pachislots please.  8)
And of course, a 2D Castlevania.  ;D
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 14, 2014, 05:48:27 AM
 Looks guys (those who knows spanish), the reaction of a well know gamer (no a girly gamer, a serious gamer) when he saw the 4 of Edge to CLoS2:OJO con las notas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEaPmLUbb-Q#ws)

 A intelligent reflection
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Post by: Asgardwolf on February 14, 2014, 06:46:03 AM
Not totally related to the game but cool... Love my wife...
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 14, 2014, 06:59:23 AM
Just saw the pics on fb on the LoS2 page.  There's acually a Valentines Day thread here in the off-topic section, btw. :)
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 14, 2014, 07:18:28 AM
Not totally related to the game but cool... Love my wife...
Heh. Now that's love.
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Post by: MKKhanzo on February 14, 2014, 07:36:50 AM
AsgardWolf! hahahah ESO ES AMOR COMPA!  ;D

Sorry for the offtopic.  My wife last year had a pretty present to me too:

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: alucardsan on February 14, 2014, 08:34:42 AM
La revista Playmanía española le da de nota un 95 de 100 al juego, pero claro... como es española no será objetiva, no?... No adjunto el artículo pq no sé cómo se hace.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 14, 2014, 08:36:25 AM
LoS2 mug? Yeeeeeah classy! :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 14, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
La revista Playmanía española le da de nota un 95 de 100 al juego, pero claro... como es española no será objetiva, no?... No adjunto el artículo pq no sé cómo se hace.
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Spanish magazines were overly positive with los1 too. But I agreed with them so that 95 (!) is good news for me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 14, 2014, 09:03:03 AM
La revista Playmanía española le da de nota un 95 de 100 al juego, pero claro... como es española no será objetiva, no?... No adjunto el artículo pq no sé cómo se hace.

 Un 95? Cojonudo. I have found this page: http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Daniel%20Acal/6_0.jpg (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Daniel%20Acal/6_0.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: alucardsan on February 14, 2014, 09:16:42 AM
That is from the magazine playmania, I have the whole story but you don't hang it here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: alucardsan on February 14, 2014, 09:19:26 AM
I'm sorry if you don't understand, I am using a translator ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jigru0511 on February 14, 2014, 09:21:44 AM
Para ser sinceros, playmania es un revista con una reputación muy dudosa, creo que es de las que le ponen un 95 a RE5  cosas así de exageradas, no dudo que Castlevania 2 se merezca excelentes notas pero no de esta revista
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 14, 2014, 09:24:08 AM
Look at Alucard, being his usual sultry self. lolz
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 14, 2014, 09:26:42 AM
Un 95? Cojonudo. I have found this page: http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Daniel%20Acal/6_0.jpg (http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/sites/default/files/users/Daniel%20Acal/6_0.jpg)

I'm very lackluster at spanish so it will take me awhile to read it. For me it has always been key words that help me in spanish and italian now that I think about it I need an italian that's non scholastic. but I do like that if I'm reading this right is that Los 2 is more technical than the first in combat and it sounds good not only there are alot of things that stated that's just not in the american ones. The skill tree,combat,ect but it does not bag on it for one section.

I think I got the jist of it now and I just woke up. Is Los2 really going to be that polarizing?

edit: http://www.play.tm/preview/81819052/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/ (http://www.play.tm/preview/81819052/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/)

this is a preview but I see the factory and while it's just a picture it seems well detailed.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 14, 2014, 09:40:54 AM
i agree that reviews are just the same as individual opinions and no one should rely solely on a review(s) they read on the internet, but the fact remains, if theres a common element or complaint that consistent in each review you read, good or bad, then theres some truth to that. its not all just bullshit from "noob reviewers" or haters.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: alucardsan on February 14, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
I what I say that will not be a 95 insurance but not a 4
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 14, 2014, 10:00:26 AM
i agree that reviews are just the same as individual opinions and no one should rely solely on a review(s) they read on the internet, but the fact remains, if theres a common element or complaint that consistent in each review you read, good or bad, then theres some truth to that. its not all just bullshit from "noob reviewers" or haters.

Right, but if stealth is the worst part, then I'm fine with that. Didn't expect much else.

But Neobelmont makes a very good point, one that I've been trying to stress: these bad reviews miss an awful lot. Sure, tell me the stealth is bad or that the pacing is a bit bloated, but don't gloss over everything else in the game just to tell me that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 14, 2014, 10:01:40 AM
i agree that reviews are just the same as individual opinions and no one should rely solely on a review(s) they read on the internet, but the fact remains, if theres a common element or complaint that consistent in each review you read, good or bad, then theres some truth to that. its not all just bullshit from "noob reviewers" or haters.

Okay but, should that one single complaint over shadow the whole game and ruin it for everyone who are taking their reviews seriously? I think all of us had played a game where there was an annoying part but still trucked it till the end(or put in a backlog) and even with that one problem I mean come on. This one,single, part will become the new nitro part that almost everyone hates. Back to what I was saying, okay maybe it is a bad part yet, this one part over the whole picture does not justify so much negativity. If this whole game was stealth okay I could see it but we know it's not and no one goes into depth about why it's so bad. Justifying there reasons yet no one is doing that in these negative reviews. How is it that the previews were so absolutely positive treating this game is the next hot thing, now it's all gone to hell and their trying to say don't touch this game with a ten foot pole because of one section. I mean come on I think that's really crazy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on February 14, 2014, 11:34:28 AM
Sooo MercurySteam.. love bites huh?

Apparently so does your game. Seriously Konami? Just give the Castlevania license to either From Software or Platinum games. This arrogant baboon known as David Cox isn't cutting it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevelyan on February 14, 2014, 11:50:27 AM
Sooo MercurySteam.. love bites huh?

Apparently so does your game. Seriously Konami? Just give the Castlevania license to either From Software or Platinum games. This arrogant baboon known as David Cox isn't cutting it.

Well, Cox is finished with CV now.  I actually found it somewhat strange how Cox/MS seemed to want to be rid of the liscence.  Usually, you see people try and keep hold of a liscence/franchise as long as they can.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 14, 2014, 11:54:03 AM
Sooo MercurySteam.. love bites huh?

Apparently so does your game. Seriously Konami? Just give the Castlevania license to either From Software or Platinum games. This arrogant baboon known as David Cox isn't cutting it.

If only the facts backed you up....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 14, 2014, 12:07:55 PM
https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow/photos/a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696/10153789008775697/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow/photos/a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696/10153789008775697/?type=1&theater)

LoS fb page has jst posted that MoF HD WILL be available free as a pre-order freebie on the PSN.  Unfortunately, this only applies in Europe, the Middle East, Australia and New Zealand.  Shame for people who were after this for the PC preorder.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 14, 2014, 12:14:52 PM
https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow/photos/a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696/10153789008775697/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow/photos/a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696/10153789008775697/?type=1&theater)

LoS fb page has jst posted that MoF HD WILL be available free as a pre-order freebie on the PSN.  Unfortunately, this only applies in Europe, the Middle East, Australia and New Zealand.  Shame for people who were after this for the PC preorder.

Konami wouldn't know good marketing if it ran up and mushroom stamped them in the face.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 14, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow/photos/a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696/10153789008775697/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow/photos/a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696/10153789008775697/?type=1&theater)

LoS fb page has jst posted that MoF HD WILL be available free as a pre-order freebie on the PSN.  Unfortunately, this only applies in Europe, the Middle East, Australia and New Zealand.  Shame for people who were after this for the PC preorder.
Good i hope it`s smth else for the U.S. coz i already have MOFHD...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 14, 2014, 01:23:21 PM
soo now that we know the "mirror of fate" fragments play a role in los2, does that mean the Lost Soul will also make an appearance, being that the Lost Soul is the physical manifestation of the mof
or not
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 14, 2014, 01:24:49 PM
Sooo MercurySteam.. love bites huh?

Apparently so does your game. Seriously Konami? Just give the Castlevania license to either From Software or Platinum games. This arrogant baboon known as David Cox isn't cutting it.

If only the facts backed you up....

 Seriously?? Platinium? they are fuckings machines of make videogames, but they are too much frenetic for a Castlevania.
  I got haemorrhoids reading your comments.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on February 14, 2014, 02:24:01 PM
soo now that we know the "mirror of fate" fragments play a role in los2, does that mean the Lost Soul will also make an appearance, being that the Lost Soul is the physical manifestation of the mof
or not

I almost want to believe it's still alive. The mirror glowing to Alucard at the end seemed like a hint to me.

What I want to know is if the Daemon Lord truly died. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 14, 2014, 03:07:24 PM
Sooo MercurySteam.. love bites huh?

Apparently so does your game. Seriously Konami? Just give the Castlevania license to either From Software or Platinum games. This arrogant baboon known as David Cox isn't cutting it.
You can tell that this is Rugal's moment of glory.  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 14, 2014, 06:52:10 PM
So, if a review give a bad score, people will proceed to say that the review is shitty, but when some spanish magazine gives it a 9.5 and calls the game the second coming of Jesus, then they are right...

FUCKING DOUBLE STANDARDS, how do these work!?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 14, 2014, 07:23:59 PM
https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow/photos/a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696/10153789008775697/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow/photos/a.10151025830595697.768176.220827690696/10153789008775697/?type=1&theater)

LoS fb page has jst posted that MoF HD WILL be available free as a pre-order freebie on the PSN.  Unfortunately, this only applies in Europe, the Middle East, Australia and New Zealand.  Shame for people who were after this for the PC preorder.
Are you sure it's just those areas? gaming sites all around seem to suggest it's in general.

My anger is palpable.

Fuck you Konami. Fuck you.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 14, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
So, if a review give a bad score, people will proceed to say that the review is shitty, but when some spanish magazine gives it a 9.5 and calls the game the second coming of Jesus, then they are right...

FUCKING DOUBLE STANDARDS, how do these work!?
We're not politicians, we're fans and we can have any double or triple standards if we feeli like it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 14, 2014, 07:38:52 PM
So, if a review give a bad score, people will proceed to say that the review is shitty, but when some spanish magazine gives it a 9.5 and calls the game the second coming of Jesus, then they are right...

FUCKING DOUBLE STANDARDS, how do these work!?
Im not following this review thing too much because fuck reviews, but theres also a difference between US gaming journalism, and EU gaming journalism. on the EU scene, it seems to be more legit. FAR more legit than over here.

Also, I suppose it  matters when a magazine from the game's hometown gives it a review.

Mercurysteam is spanish, so if a spanish magazine gives it a review, that's something to listen for, no?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 14, 2014, 07:40:22 PM
As for the pre order bonus in PSN...

Are you sure it's just those areas? gaming sites all around seem to suggest it's in general.


A site in Mexico/Latam has put that information today (LevelUp), and Gamespot (US, I believe) has give the same info, so I think that is worldwide... or maybe a confussion.

As for the reviews, again, I remember when I see the trailers, speculations, and reviews of former games. IGA games, to be precisely. How many of us has left the saga because of that reviews? I mean, they were not great ones, I accept it, but they have many Castlevania stuff that many of us love. We buyed them, and we played them, and we have all of them in present I am sure, so, the reviews really does not matter for real fans of a saga like Castlevania, with its more than 25 years of existence...

...Maybe is the fear for a period of years without CV games, if LoS 2 doesn´t sell well?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 14, 2014, 07:49:39 PM
So, if a review give a bad score, people will proceed to say that the review is shitty, but when some spanish magazine gives it a 9.5 and calls the game the second coming of Jesus, then they are right...

FUCKING DOUBLE STANDARDS, how do these work!?

That alleged 9.5 review hasn't really been discussed much further beyond brief mentions in passing. What are you talking about?

There's also the issue of this review not being in English so many people can't really talk about it in detail, much less throw it under the bus.

This whole "holier than thou" thing you try to pull is very tiring. You do this on neogaf as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 14, 2014, 08:29:16 PM
We're not politicians, we're fans and we can have any double or triple standards if we feeli like it.

That's why I can't take you seriously after all, try at least to be consistent on your thinking. You hate the game when Edge gives it 4 but love it when a less known site give it 9.5.

Im not following this review thing too much because fuck reviews, but theres also a difference between US gaming journalism, and EU gaming journalism. on the EU scene, it seems to be more legit. FAR more legit than over here.

Also, I suppose it  matters when a magazine from the game's hometown gives it a review.

Mercurysteam is spanish, so if a spanish magazine gives it a review, that's something to listen for, no?

No. In fact, we could go as far as say that they could be biased on their review.

Edge review was pretty fair, if you actually read it. The stealth sections and the problems they have with no i-frames, pacing, etc... all of them are pretty fair and accumulating them makes the game not sound that good after all. It makes the game seems worse than the first (the pacing is a problem they didn't solve at all).

That alleged 9.5 review hasn't really been discussed much further beyond brief mentions in passing. What are you talking about?

There's also the issue of this review not being in English so many people can't really talk about it in detail, much less throw it under the bus.

This whole "holier than thou" thing you try to pull is very tiring. You do this on neogaf as well.

I'm not trying anything, I'm simply saying what I'm seeing around the net. People are trying to downplay reviews because they are giving low scores to the game based on their gameplay. It wasn't the same when these same magazines/sites gave 9/8 to the first game. Double Standards.

It obvious that some people already choose to buy the game and think that it'll be great and it won't make them not buy it. That don't give them the right to downplay the reviews from people who actually played the game in the first place.

Not caring about reviews is ok.

BTW, I think you'll continue to get tired of me in the future.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 14, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
And this is what I can't take you seriously. Would you kindly show me that post of mine profusing my love for the game after the spanish review? Or anyone else's for that matter? Because your e penis of ever rightness can't viagra itself with fabricated controversy, can it?.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 14, 2014, 08:52:50 PM
I'm not trying anything, I'm simply saying what I'm seeing around the net. People are trying to downplay reviews because they are giving low scores to the game based on their gameplay. It wasn't the same when these same magazines/sites gave 9/8 to the first game. Double Standards.

So you're saying that misdirecting your frustrations comes naturally to you. Okay, that says a lot. You say that you're "simply" responding to a very vague overall consensus on what you're seen on the net. lol, where? As I said, no one's making a fuss here. No on neogaf even cares, and I doubt it's even brought up there. Gamefaqs is silent.

It obvious that some people already choose to buy the game and think that it'll be great and it won't make them not buy it. That don't give them the right to downplay the reviews from people who actually played the game in the first place.

Not caring about reviews is ok.

Oh please. People are totally justified in "downplaying" reviews that they don't find adequate. And that has been a common complaint. Some readers are left thinking, hmm, this aspect of the game I was curious about wasn't covered. I don't quite think this review is thorough enough and I'll wait for more insight. Hardly an illogical response.

BTW, I think you'll continue to get tired of me in the future.

How can I continue to get tired of you when I'm already dead asleep? I've lurked neogaf for awhile and know enough. You're an emotional, cynical hypocrite with a persecution complex. You overreact to things that go against your views and are not beyond twisting the facts to belittle others and prop yourself on a false pedestal.

Things don't get much simpler. At the risk of further getting into a juvenile multi-quote argument I'll save you the trouble and say that I'm done talking to you. I've already made myself clear.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 14, 2014, 09:09:03 PM
And this is what I can't take you seriously. Would you kindly show me that post of mine profusing my love for the game after the spanish review? Or anyone else's for that matter? Because your e penis of ever rightness can't viagra itself with fabricated controversy, can it?.

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Spanish magazines were overly positive with los1 too. But I agreed with them so that 95 (!) is good news for me.

Of course, you'll probably say that you never said that you love the game on this post. Not even 5 posts you were talking like MS was worse than cancer, citing that you respect Edge's opinion (I agree that GI "review" is too short, though)

I'll repeat: try to be consistent on your opinion. And wait for the game, as me and others already said when only GI review was out. Going on this rollercoaster of emotions isn't productive.

So you're saying that misdirecting your frustrations comes naturally to you. Okay, that says a lot. You say that you're "simply" responding to a very vague overall consensus on what you're seen on the net. lol, where? As I said, no one's making a fuss here. No on neogaf even cares, and I doubt it's even brought up there. Gamefaqs is silent.

Oh please. People are totally justified in "downplaying" reviews that they don't find adequate. And that has been a common complaint. The readers are left thinking, hmm, this aspect of the game I was curious about wasn't covered. I don't quite think this review is thorough enough and I'll wait for more insight. Hardly an illogical response.

How can I continue to get tired of you when I'm already dead asleep? I've lurked neogaf for awhile and know enough. You're an emotional, cynical hypocrite with a persecution complex. You overreact to things that go against your views and are not beyond twisting the facts to belittle others and prop yourself on a false pedestal.

Things don't get much simpler. At the risk of further getting into a juvenile multi-quote argument I'll save you the trouble and say that I'm done talking to you. I've already made myself clear.

Oh, the usual "break the post into parts to give a response".

First: I'm not frustated. I'm just pointing that people shouldn't practice double standard. When only the GI review was out, you could see it on Neogaf and here (fuck, I won't go looking back here or there, you can go back some pages for yourself). Me and others said to wait for other reviews, as it was just one opinion.

Second, you could actually say that from GI review, as it was very short and from there, we couldn't really say too much about the game. Edge review is ok and they cover everything that is needed to be known about the game. Pacing, combat, platforming, stealth sections and open world, everything is there. Didn't they gave the first game an 8?

So you go to personal offenses in the end of your argument? Wow, who's being juvenile here? And I never said my opinion about the game at all, or that I'm actually right and you guys wrong. I'm just talking about double standards.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 14, 2014, 09:24:36 PM
Man you are asking /me/ to not like a positive review, I like to know the game is not Sonic 2006 levels of bad. If Mercury screwed this they deserve to be bashed to hell and back. But alas, all I have is the reviews, at least until the game is out. I'm really frustrated you know.

And I agree, personal insults are a little too far.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on February 14, 2014, 09:32:20 PM
Magazines from Spain like Playmania or Hobby Consolas are trash, they are nothing but marketing tools, is really hard to know if they are saying the truth or just making videogame companies happy.

Got my copy of Edge, here we go:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2F4ocdf8.jpg&hash=3fa5e217eb67dd87d1c9d49b43b97b60) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=4ocdf8.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2F1yger3.jpg&hash=dce29190a0762569bedac9a6e5c6bdff) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=1yger3.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2F24lfx1.jpg&hash=7d4f0ae0c018fdb682c1508df3073797) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=24lfx1.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2F3kidn2.jpg&hash=08ef6c07e514b30520f150bdde99cef2) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=3kidn2.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 14, 2014, 09:39:34 PM
Magazines from Spain like Playmania or Hobby Consolas are trash, they are nothing but marketing tools, is really hard to know if they are saying the truth or just making videogame companies happy.

Got my copy of Edge, here we go:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2F4ocdf8.jpg&hash=3fa5e217eb67dd87d1c9d49b43b97b60) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=4ocdf8.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2F1yger3.jpg&hash=dce29190a0762569bedac9a6e5c6bdff) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=1yger3.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2F24lfx1.jpg&hash=7d4f0ae0c018fdb682c1508df3073797) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=24lfx1.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabload.de%2Fthumb%2F3kidn2.jpg&hash=08ef6c07e514b30520f150bdde99cef2) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=3kidn2.jpg)
"But the biggest influence was God of War"

Stopped reading there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 14, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Man you are asking /me/ to not like a positive review, I like to know the game is not Sonic 2006 levels of bad. If Mercury screwed this they deserve to be bashed to hell and back. But alas, all I have is the reviews, at least until the game is out. I'm really frustrated you know.

And I agree, personal insults are a little too far.
I'm not asking you to not like the review man, I'm saying that you shouldn't change your opinion so much because of reviews. Flame, for example, had been consistent on his position (and right, actually, reviews doesn't matter, ever) and that he'll give a chance to the game regardless. You almost broke when Edge review came out.

The most legit review we had so far came from the leaker (Spanishkiller, I guess... don't remember his name), because he doesn't seems like your typical reviewer and more like a guy who likes videogames.

While I agree that it's frustating that some reviewers aren't liking the game (on the sense that it'll affect the sales), I simply accept that the game actually has a chance of being worse than the first LoS. The biggest problem on this is the franchise being affected by this. Hopefully, it'll sell well enough to be kept alive.

Don't view this as an order, it's just a recomendation/warning/tip.

"But the biggest influence was God of War"

Stopped reading there.
It is though, since the first game. I don't want to engage on this argumnt again, though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on February 14, 2014, 09:52:12 PM
Hey everyone its been awhile and I been lurking on this thread since I been busy with school. You know I feel you man Ahasverus it kills me that this game is getting terrible reviews but you know I realized that were games that got great reviews and I wasn't impressed with (Batman Arkham City, Bioshock Infinite) and there were games that got bad reviews and I enjoyed them (Killer 7, Nier) . The game could be worse than Lords of Shadows 1 but you know I had fun with Mirror of fate which had a bunch of flaws and hopefully I will have fun with Lords of Shadow 2. If the game sucks it will suck but I already got it preorder so I guess I will find out. I will be back here to give my review. See ya guys later.
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Post by: e105beta on February 14, 2014, 10:12:40 PM
So...yeah, the whole review doesn't make much more sense than the blurb. I stand by that claim.

Sure, they make the claim that LoS2 falls short of LoS1, but they don't demonstrate it in the review, especially on the first page. Most of the review I just found myself nodding and asking myself, "Ok, how is this any different from the first game?" The combat, the platforming, the script, the pacing, etc. I mean, it literally sounds like exact complaints with the first game, right down to the complaint about the unblockable sound being the same with every enemy. If you didn't like it in LoS1, you're not going to like it in LoS2...but they liked LoS1. I mean, I played the demo. It played better than LoS1. Not seeing it there.

I'm also suspicious of the graphics claim, since the "jagged mess" that the game supposedly is was not apparent in the slightest in the demo. It looked better than LoS1 did.

The stealth is a legitimate complaint, so I'll be interested to see how it plays out in the actual game. Particularly in the Agreus portion, since, IIRC, Spainkiller said it was easy once he remembered about the mist.

I don't know what this Spanish review is saying, and honestly, I could care less. The Edge review made me want to play the game because everything I read made me think of the first game which I liked. So *shrug*

EDIT: Honestly, I don't think it's the same reviewer. He cites God of War more than he cites LoS1, which by now is a fairly irrelevant discussion, and from the review I gather he has a very shallow understanding of the first game, and thus bizarre expectations. I think that's what's causing the score disparity.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 15, 2014, 12:19:48 AM
Alright guys, calm down. Don't take your frustrations here.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 15, 2014, 03:38:50 AM
Flame:

I got the areas that the PSN bonus of MoF will be released in directly from the fb post which I linked.


As for the matter of whether I'm going "Oh no!  This game is going to be crap, because the reviews coming in say it is!  Arghhhh!" is a non-existant matter for the moment for me.  I paid attention to what I'd heard about LoS1, saying that it wasn't a Castlevania game yadda yadda yadda.  I then proceeded to ignore the game for a while, before curiousity lead me to watching a movie of the game on youtube, and found myself impressed.  When I finally ended up getting a console, I picked up the game at the same time.  I ended up really loving the game, even with knowing what was coming up.

On the flip side, the game I've played which is meant to be really good but I wasn't so keen on was Assassin's Creed 1.  I find the gameplay repeatative, and the system clunky.  AC2 however is amazing, and for me the highlight of the games. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 15, 2014, 03:45:59 AM
If you want to play the game, play it. If you don't want, pass your way. That's that simple ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 15, 2014, 03:55:16 AM
If you want to play the game, play it. If you don't want, pass your way. That's that simple ;)

Exactly.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 15, 2014, 06:01:11 AM
So I tweeted Enric about the Agreus section and he got defensiv as always, jeez, see? That's why we are where we are. They seriously believe they made Ocarina of Time. And I like Enric (at least he's enthusiast)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 15, 2014, 06:28:56 AM
Flame:

I got the areas that the PSN bonus of MoF will be released in directly from the fb post which I linked.


As for the matter of whether I'm going "Oh no!  This game is going to be crap, because the reviews coming in say it is!  Arghhhh!" is a non-existant matter for the moment for me.  I paid attention to what I'd heard about LoS1, saying that it wasn't a Castlevania game yadda yadda yadda.  I then proceeded to ignore the game for a while, before curiousity lead me to watching a movie of the game on youtube, and found myself impressed.  When I finally ended up getting a console, I picked up the game at the same time.  I ended up really loving the game, even with knowing what was coming up.

On the flip side, the game I've played which is meant to be really good but I wasn't so keen on was Assassin's Creed 1.  I find the gameplay repeatative, and the system clunky.  AC2 however is amazing, and for me the highlight of the games.
You're confusing reviews with the opinion of fans of the series. LoS had RAVING reviews. GI and Edge gave it a nice score.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 15, 2014, 06:52:17 AM
I'm not, Maedhros.  I didn't specify what source of pov had initially made me wary of LoS.  Personally, I don't really care much for what other people say (especially before the game is out), be it a magazine review or a review from a fellow fan, I'll make my own opinion.  Everyone has different opinions and tastes after all.  I've been a fan of the series for over ten years now, and yes, I love both the original timeline games and LoS so far.  All I'm saying is that I won't write off LoS2 as a pile of crap until after I have played the game and formed my own judgement.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 15, 2014, 07:37:47 AM
bottom line: i will buy myself, and if i tell u guys not to buy it, then all u better will listen to me an not buy, ok?
why?becuase i say so.end of discussion(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sideshowcollectors.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Frock.gif&hash=a386d4c0f747b95fcfa354a5a0c35c6f)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 15, 2014, 08:03:54 AM
Crisis has spoken, this discussion is over.

In other news, new footage that shows the gameplay that we all wanted to see (with commentary unfortunatly):

Rocket Beans' Hard Reset (Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2) Folge 8 - 1/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iiUWsyvnkQ#ws)


I'll be in the shelter, you guys have fun.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on February 15, 2014, 08:06:14 AM
Flame, you're delusional buddy.

Lords of Shadow has been a God of War ripoff since the very beginning. With that stated.. Seems like Cox's imagination continues to be non-existent. So much for "changing" Castlevania. All Cox managed to do was change it into a heaping pile of cat shit. Also lol at "badly designed fat left on Lords of Shadow 2's bones." That's sig worthy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 15, 2014, 08:15:32 AM
Holy crap that looks HORRIBLE like GARBAGE TIER OMG Mercury seriously what were you smoking UGH
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 15, 2014, 08:35:02 AM
I'm talking about the stealth. The rest of the game is fine. And those people playing have a mental disfunction. 10 minutes to jump in the ledge with the bats indicating your path, and falling off the chandelier? Really?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 15, 2014, 08:59:24 AM
I'm talking about the stealth. The rest of the game is fine. And those people playing have a mental disfunction. 10 minutes to jump in the ledge with the bats indicating your path, and falling off the chandelier? Really?

And even with the game literally telling them what to do, they were still getting lost. (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fsnoop.png&hash=593ea0909df5c33a02e6380851fe07b1)

And while that stealth segment certainly looked(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fscusthov.gif&hash=1fae003921cec34c4785331c0b5eb18a), thankfully it doesn't seem to last long, like 3/4 minutes or so and there seems to be only three of them (that we know of).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 09:07:17 AM
I'm talking about the stealth. The rest of the game is fine. And those people playing have a mental disfunction. 10 minutes to jump in the ledge with the bats indicating your path, and falling off the chandelier? Really?

And even with the game literally telling them what to do, they were still getting lost. (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fsnoop.png&hash=593ea0909df5c33a02e6380851fe07b1)

And while that stealth segment certainly looked(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fscusthov.gif&hash=1fae003921cec34c4785331c0b5eb18a), thankfully it doesn't seem to last long, like 3/4 minutes or so and there seems to be only three of them (that we know of).

I feel like they should make it a requirement that you have to be good at playing games to stream them professionally.

That being said, the stealth didn't look all that bad. I mean, it wasn't Metal Gear Solid tier or anything close, but it looked quick and easy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Sindra on February 15, 2014, 09:35:37 AM
This thread has gotten absolutely fantastic to read......

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on February 15, 2014, 09:41:28 AM
I shouldn't be surprised that after out of place high fantasy elements in the first game, the developers felt they needed to put out of place sci-fi elements in the second one.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 09:43:16 AM
I shouldn't be surprised that after out of place high fantasy elements in the first game, the developers felt they needed to put out of place sci-fi elements in the second one.

It does feel kind of weird seeing Dracula run around in a factory setting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 15, 2014, 09:54:43 AM
Bloodlines had a factory level
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Flame on February 15, 2014, 09:58:55 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that stealth section doesn't look so bad?
I mean, was it needed? maybe not, but it can't hurt. breaks up the pace with something different. And as long as the controls are good, I'm ok with it. you people are all overreacting over this.

Flame, you're delusional buddy.

Lords of Shadow has been a God of War ripoff since the very beginning.
I guess lament of innocence went forward in time to rip off God of War then huh?

God of War did not invent hack n slash. it popularized it.

I know you are baiting. But seriously. At least put some effort into it.

Bloodlines had a factory level
(click to show/hide)

No it wasn't. Not for the setting. Especially since aside from being a factory, it's purpose in game, is to be a clocktower stage with gears and shit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 15, 2014, 10:07:46 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that stealth section doesn't look so bad?
I mean, was it needed? maybe not, but it can't hurt. breaks up the pace with something different. And as long as the controls are good, I'm ok with it. you people are all overreacting over this.

You're not the only one, Flame.  Especially when the game lasts what, 20 hours or so?  It mixes things up imo, stops things from being too samey all through the game.  Plus, I also really liked the rats transformation, definitely referencing Coppola's Dracula there imo.  Perhaps those armoured thug guards looked a bit sci-fi-ish, sort of WH40Kish, but they also looked like big burly brutes in modern takes on Medieval armour which also seem to be referencing Coppola's Dracula.  The *massive* guns looked a bit insane, but hey, I can live with that.  The sudden transition into the castle I admit I really liked.  The castle's looking gorgeous.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 10:12:57 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that stealth section doesn't look so bad?
I mean, was it needed? maybe not, but it can't hurt. breaks up the pace with something different. And as long as the controls are good, I'm ok with it. you people are all overreacting over this.

*raises hand*

I just said it didn't look at that bad.

No it wasn't. Not for the setting. Especially since aside from being a factory, it's purpose in game, is to be a clocktower stage with gears and shit.

True, but there were parts like this:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-n3PoTP0WTWs%2FUhG8028B53I%2FAAAAAAAAROg%2FRLE7OiIggH4%2Fs320%2Ffactory.gif&hash=9f56ad30f337b51bf349e188978a8c1c)

Reminds me a lot of this:

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Which is kind of the vibe I was getting from the stealth part. IMO, it's a cool mix of motifs, it just feels a bit odd since it's definitely not a regular setting in Castlevania.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 15, 2014, 10:16:41 AM
but does the stealth look fun to do
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on February 15, 2014, 10:19:47 AM
Lament of Innocence was more like Devil May Cry, however the combo system was pretty unique and fresh. It also actually felt like I was playing a Castlevania game. Lords of Shadow on the other hand is just a blatant ripoff of God of War. How can you not see it?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 15, 2014, 10:22:42 AM
most of the time in lament, i was flipping around like a mad man rather than doing actual combos
i guess lords is pretty similar in how the optimal style of fighting was to roll around
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Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 10:25:48 AM
but does the stealth look fun to do

It doesn't look not fun.

That's all I can really say at this point. From Edge's review, it sounded like what they didn't like about it was that it didn't allow a lot of freedom, which I can imagine can be jarring since that means MercurySteam is actively disabling your abilities, but if it really boils down to being an environmental design puzzle, then I'm fine with that.

EDIT: If anything, it looks the stealth puzzles in Assassin's Creed that took place in the free running dungeons. You didn't have a ton of "options" but it was a fun little exercise.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 15, 2014, 10:31:16 AM
AC never had "great" stealth sections IMO, I always felt it wasn't very well-developed, which is a shame.

And the German guys should really get some skill. Seriously.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 15, 2014, 10:33:44 AM
Stealth sections look absolutely awful, I was getting some dumb Batman vibes from it.

Seeing Gabe eat and squeeze a heart out of the statue was disgusting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 15, 2014, 10:39:25 AM
I actually thought that touch of him eating the heart was pretty cool.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 15, 2014, 10:46:00 AM
It was!
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 15, 2014, 10:52:07 AM
It's exactly the sort of thing I would expect Drac to do, as well as reminding me a little bit of a scene in Queen of the Damned.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 11:06:18 AM
What exactly did Enric say to you on Twitter, Ahasverus?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 15, 2014, 11:08:19 AM
To tell you the truth, from that German video, the stealth part didn't bother me as much as the fuckin collapsing floor section near the end fo the video. That looked like a real bullshit section!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 15, 2014, 11:23:51 AM
So I've read the Edge review, and I'll admit that I was surprised to find entire pages devoted to criticizing the fundamentals of LoS2's battle system, considering how little they have changed since LoS1. e105beta already mentioned this -- most of the combat elements Edge seems to have found fault with in this review were already present in the original reboot, so I'm lost as to why they they were praised in LoS1 and panned in LoS2.


As far as Stealth sections go, they certainly don't look entirely unenjoyable. But they do seem heavily scripted, with their execution looking pretty clumsy at times.
It's also hard not to notice how jarring they are in context. You're playing as Dracula, after all -- that alone should spare you any need for rat-worthy tactics. You'd at least expect to keep your combat abilities during stealth. I mean, why not just give those guards a good whipping before moving straight on to the next area? That's honestly much more consistent with Dracula's aesthetic...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 15, 2014, 11:28:53 AM
IGN (aka the site that will give this game a 5/10) posted a video showcasing the weapons and abilities.

The Weapons of Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP3hvSe28ww#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on February 15, 2014, 11:31:23 AM
To tell you the truth, from that German video, the stealth part didn't bother me as much as the fuckin collapsing floor section near the end fo the video. That looked like a real bullshit section!

No way! That shit seemed easy. Judging by what I've seen now, LoS2 has the same bullshit. Big Beautiful Exteriors you wanna explore but there is collision and I HATE things like that. When the platforms were falling down, they kept jumping. They should've kept running until the edge and then jump. As for myself, I may screw up once, twice or even three times. But those guys suck! I bet you don't even have to calculate your jumps. The collision will help you in that section and it will only turn off if you're late in your jump and that is if there is collision in that section. I know it is early in the game but I kind of agree about the freedom. While you CAN SEE that Dracula can platform quite well, the game only gives you certain walls and ledges you can platform or climb on. I thought you could turn into rats at will and only use your Mana/Magicka/Blood which would run out fast and make you haste but you can only turn into them at certain points. I say that's bullshit and seriously thought we were over things like that in gaming. I will still ENJOY the game but honestly, LoS series has been fun but not in a genuine sense of fun. Like all DS Castlevanias and this, it was all hype. I always looked at Castlevania Series and looked at it as "It could've been more" gameplay wise but it just leaves me hanging  :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 15, 2014, 11:34:59 AM
PC Guru (Hungary) - 85/100
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
IGN (aka the site that will give this game a 5/10) posted a video showcasing the weapons and abilities.

The Weapons of Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP3hvSe28ww#ws)

Man, look at that jagged mess of PS2 level graphcis.

Doesn't this game look visually awful guys? Like, it looks really, really bad. My 2 year old daughter could make a better looking game than this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 15, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
Man, look at that jagged mess of PS2 level graphcis.

Doesn't this game look visually awful guys? Like, it looks really, really bad. My 2 year old daughter could make a better looking game than this.

No kidding, this is Shenmue 1 levels of graphics.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 15, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
lol at some of the people getting butthurt by the reviews. :D

But those stealth section........said it before and I will say it again, DRACULA SHOULD NOT EVEN NEED THEM TO BEGIN WITH.

The ONLY instance in that game where the stealth section would have been believable was during his weakened and decrypted state, but judging by that video he is still going to be pulling that stealth shit even after regaining his power.

And not to mention that it felt out of place and looked like it would be a real momentum buster, like say you played through this game and the combat (which so far looks good in LOS2) is just starting to reach new heights for you, your enjoying it and want more and then BOOM!, your hit with a "stealth section" lol.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 11:50:34 AM
No kidding, this is Shenmue 1 levels of graphics.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.trustedreviews.com%2F94%2Ff33e5a%2F942d%2F7445-Shenmue1.jpg&hash=a743e1ca2aeed9e05beabb88d8587d90)

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Yeah, that's about right.

Also, at 0:47, that goddamn soldier is getting HIT-STUNNED by the VOID SWORD.

I knew I wasn't crazy.

lol at some of the people getting butthurt by the reviews. :D

But those stealth section........said it before and I will say it again, DRACULA SHOULD NOT EVEN NEED THEM TO BEGIN WITH.

I ain't butthurt, just the more I play/watch, the more holes I'm finding in the Edge review. At this point, I almost want to say it's...stupid. It's a stupid review.

Agree with you about the stealth though. Maybe there will be a passable explanation?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 15, 2014, 11:54:00 AM


Agree with you about the stealth though. Maybe there will be a passable explanation?

I doubt it, I can't think of any believable reasoning to have Dracula (post weakened state) having to sneak around lesser enemies.

But maybe...just maybe....... :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 11:58:13 AM
I doubt it, I can't think of any believable reasoning to have Dracula (post weakened state) having to sneak around lesser enemies.

But maybe...just maybe....... :-\

Maybe if he's seen, the eye of Sauron Satan will find him and the shard of the Mirror of Fate will overcome his senses, leaving Alucard to carry him the rest of the way up to Mount Hell?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 15, 2014, 11:58:59 AM


Also, at 0:47, that goddamn soldier is getting HIT-STUNNED by the VOID SWORD.

It certainly wasn't like this on the demo I played (i've put the game of the hard difficult). It was like I was attacking the air, except with the Chaos Claws, the only weapon with a satisfying hit.

The stealth section looks like CANCER. Why the hell they should be there? I'm sure they'll make the experience sour as fuck.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 15, 2014, 12:02:49 PM
It certainly wasn't like this on the demo I played (i've put the game of the hard difficult). It was like I was attacking the air, except with the Chaos Claws, the only weapon with a satisfying hit.

If there's anything they can change between the E3 demo and now, hitstun would be one of the easier things. I wouldn't be surprised.

Can someone who speaks Spanish ask Enric if the team changed the hitstun values since creating the E3 demo?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on February 15, 2014, 12:13:28 PM
I think there shouldn't have been a Stealth Section, but Stealth Mechanics being implemented wouldn't have been bad. I would love to go behind one of them Brutes, drain their blood and possess them and kill bunch of guards one by one or just directly kill them as DRACUL! They took the concept of challenge and increased it only to drain down freedom. A good open world game plays more like a Sandbox rather than giving you the illusion of freedom and have collisions/invisible walls. I WANTED A DRACULA SIMULATOR, not some hack and slash...

I'mma be playing this on easy just so I feel like an uber-powerful Vampire.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 15, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
If there's anything they can change between the E3 demo and now, hitstun would be one of the easier things. I wouldn't be surprised.

Can someone who speaks Spanish ask Enric if the team changed the hitstun values since creating the E3 demo?
We'll see. I'm not betting on it, though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 15, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: DarkPrinceAlucard
The ONLY instance in that game where the stealth section would have been believable was during his weakened and decrypted state,

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decrypted

u keep using  that word and i dont think it means what u think it means

i think u mean to say **decrepit**

u keep making this same mistake darkprincealucard

mannn i dont even care about los2 at this point u just keep saying "decrypted" over n over

just PLEASE use decrepit from now on so i can sleep better at night

ur driving me insane boy
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Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 15, 2014, 01:04:31 PM
Just watched the video. The two people playing should have spent less time talking and more playing. Also, the stealth section shown in the video didn't seem too bad, but it's probably the first stealth section of the game. While it's no Deus Ex, I wasn't really expecting it to be. As for this whole Agrues stealth section complaint, it sounds like the people running into issues with it aren't keeping track of what their special abilities are. Granted, from the IGN video, we've seen that the mist works differently from LOS1's DLC. But still, if one was playing Deus Ex Human Revolution (which has better stealth sections than what was shown in the video), you still would be aware of the ability to turn invisible if you kept good track of what augmentations you have unlocked and which ones you haven't.

At least, that's how some of these reviewers complaining about the section come off to me, anyways. (especially if they are playing as bad as the people in that video, if not worse!)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 15, 2014, 01:21:45 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2Fxq90%2F89%2F1o78.jpg&hash=7ed72978bfb3d177a52bd472f31b8dba) (https://imageshack.com/i/2h1o78j)

thanks for the correction...

I used that in like 2 of my posts, not sure how it got to the point that you felt the need to call me out on it but whatever.

Its just that when your typing you just tend to spell out the words as your typing, my bad if a upset you so much.

I know what the word means that I spelled out by the way, just used it in the wrong manner.
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Post by: crisis on February 15, 2014, 02:05:45 PM
the first step to recovery is admitting that u have a problem (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sideshowcollectors.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fpint.gif&hash=5ba4772caa1efcddb62e0cd18d87326e)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gunlord on February 15, 2014, 03:36:43 PM
It's just a mistake, and we all make mistakes. I'm sure DarkPrinceAlucard will be careful of the spelling now, so let's not spend any more time on it. :)

Back on topic, have there been any other castlevanias with a "stealth" mechanic? I guess avoiding the searchlights in Order of Ecclesia sort of counts? :o
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Post by: derision on February 15, 2014, 04:09:37 PM
I wish those guys in that german vid were more attentive so that they could have shown off more from the game. Ignoring the indicators, hurling themselves into pits during the last section (even looking at a tiny video I could tell where you were supposed to go).

Will be interesting to see more footage land, hopefully throughout this next week. I want to see more of the city in particular.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 15, 2014, 05:49:04 PM
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Back on topic, have there been any other castlevanias with a "stealth" mechanic? I guess avoiding the searchlights in Order of Ecclesia sort of counts? :o

no but i gotta say, despite how out-of-place the stealth in los2 may seem, i gotta give mercurysteam credit for having the balls to try something new
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Post by: Flame on February 15, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
no but i gotta say, despite how out-of-place the stealth in los2 may seem, i gotta give mercurysteam credit for having the balls to try something new
Is it really new though? Stealth sections are nothing new in games, and Konami specifically is no stranger to stealth gameplay. It really shouldn't be too surprising. I mean there was already some MGS easter eggs in LoS1, it was only a matter of time until there was an actual stealth segment in a castlevania game. Particularly LoS.
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Post by: Anglachel on February 15, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
Too bad nothing has been said about the Mirror of Fate avatars that Dave said would come to the U.S.
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Post by: Ofthenight on February 15, 2014, 08:53:33 PM
The reviews don't really mean much to me these days, especially considering the games they give 9's+ to. Plenty of games I have loved score lower.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on February 15, 2014, 11:40:54 PM
At this point I agree with Enric Alvarez .
"The only problem is that using the brain to play seems to have gone out of fashion".

For me the game is fine, I like much more than 1, especially the combat system, the scrolls and references to the history of the Belmonts are abundant. Would it have changed some things? fully, I would not in the modern era, have changed any of the stealth zones for areas of pure platforms, removing visual aids in plataforms. The blockade would a little more complicated and less powerful (something easily solvable in patch), and some other things.

Are stealth levels suitable for Castlevania? no, but for me gives a break to the game, avoid what happened with LOS1 ... 20 hours killing enemies are many hours for a hack & slash, these phases give you a break, and I like, but are not suitable for players of Diablo or Call of Dutty ... Phases are quite easy if you use the brain, much easier than having pure Stealth games. But are appreciated, although not quite fit or stick with dracula. While scoring a few hours of this game having more than 20 hours ... I do not see the problem, most games of this generation lasts 6-12 hours and see many 10 there ... (hypocrisy)

Not understand the notes I was seeing, we all have different taste, I do not I like games that are considered masterpieces and works vice versa.

For me this game is a 9/10 (I hope I corrected some things with some DLC and patch). And I repeat is a hack & slash but not a "Diablo" ... you have to think to play. I get the feeling that most of the reviews have players who do not know the history of LOS just started the game and began pounding on buttons because they wanted to finish it quickly and move on to another game (well it's their job). Playing fast and LOS is somewhat inconsistent, and even LOS1, so I can see your anxiety and frustration for not advancing fast in history stages of stealth, but that's not my problem as a player if I want to enjoy the los2 as what is.

Some of you in this forum will hate it and others like me will love it (At what castlevania game that does not happen? even "Castlevania: Harmony of Despair"), but the creators (like IGA) are entitled to make their own game, like a more or less people.

If you're not sure of the purchase, for easy, catch a pirate PC version, play it and if you think that you liked or worth the 35 euros, then buy it to support Konami (I do it with some games).

Greetings.

P.D. If you can buy the PC version is the best and that .... say, more chances you have to adapt the game to your personal tastes ..

PD2 I laugh as the reviews highlight some details that can be corrected easily but then they score 10 games that are full of flaws .. I guess you are worth so much money.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on February 16, 2014, 12:31:55 AM
All this negativity makes me want the game even more, but I don't like what the LoS saga is doing to the Castlevania community.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on February 16, 2014, 12:51:49 AM
Back on topic, have there been any other castlevanias with a "stealth" mechanic? I guess avoiding the searchlights in Order of Ecclesia sort of counts? :o

Aria of Sorrow: Nemesis soul would render you invisible for a few seconds

Dawn of Sorrow: Dead pirates dropped a soul that would inflict greater damage when attacked from behind and they also wouldn't know if you were behind them until you are in front of them.

As I said, Stealth is better when only programmed on AI. Makes the game more immersive that way.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on February 16, 2014, 01:58:29 AM
I've tried the demo and while too short, i can say that it felt much better than the first LoS, so i think that i might actually enjoy  the second game. Also about stealth sections, MGS has a lot of them.
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 16, 2014, 04:42:58 AM
Bergaron, thank you!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 16, 2014, 06:35:20 AM
Bergaron always brings the truth.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ofthenight on February 16, 2014, 09:11:29 AM
I really liked the demo, if the full game is that type of loop then I would love it. Some of the platforming towards the end was less than average for AAA game design, the colors of the connecting platforms shouldn't be so similar so the player can see the differences. Just me nitpicking, it wasn't terrible.

I really like the combat though, some of the best control I've played in a while, on my second playthrough it really felt powerful switching weapons at just the right time.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 16, 2014, 09:19:53 AM
I noticed that the track "enough talk g9" from the rip shares some elements with "Nothing to Lose" from CV1 at 0:30, especially the strings. Quite interesting.
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Post by: e105beta on February 16, 2014, 10:13:14 AM
In that same vein, 1:03 sounds like the beginning to Tragic Prince:

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 OST - Enough Talk (Grand Battle) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_z-M8kz0zM#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 16, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
In that same vein, 1:03 sounds like the beginning to Tragic Prince:
Not bad too! Nice spot.

Some "atmosphere" tracks also contains some notes from "Divine Bloodlines", in a very calm/quiet arrangement, though it may be purely unintentional (atmosfere 5).
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 16, 2014, 01:56:14 PM
New reviews (by found in gamefaqs):

 Video Gamer (french magazine) ->17/20

Play Mania (spanish magazine) -> 95/100

Pelaaja (finnish magazine) -> 9/10

Gameinformer 6/10

Edge 4/10

Bipolar notes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on February 16, 2014, 02:29:59 PM
I'm sensing so much European Union in these reviews.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 16, 2014, 02:40:15 PM
I'm sensing so much European Union in these reviews.
What if american reviewers are just bad?
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Post by: thernz on February 16, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
dynasty warriors garners good reviews back in japan

games don't really have an objective quality anyway, cultural preferences and a person's own aesthetic after all. it's probably more than pride lol.

dynasty warriors is actually a masterpiece of combat design though. hopefully, lords 2 is the same way.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 16, 2014, 03:23:02 PM
What if american reviewers are just bad?
What if the european reviews are paid?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 16, 2014, 03:39:09 PM
What if the european reviews are paid?
It's Klownami, they can't pay themselves for a single website ad much less for a review.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 17, 2014, 08:11:39 AM
While its not impossible that Mercury Steam or Konami could have paid for good reviews (as much as any other game studio or publisher could), it's MUCH more likely that its just 'home team advantage'. By this I mean they possibly scored the game higher due to pride in fellow europeans.

We saw this with LoS1 and MoF too. The trend seems to indicate its just that. On the other side of the fence (or ocean in this case), American reviews seem to be pretty diverse on the LoS games.

It's somewhat common to have some bias leech in no matter what is being reviewed in relation to where it's being reviewed. However, because not many european studios make games the favoritism is really blatant and obvious in these cases. They're just excited to see their region produce a 'big name' game.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 17, 2014, 08:24:34 AM
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While its not impossible that Mercury Steam or Konami could have paid for good reviews (as much as any other game studio or publisher could), it's MUCH more likely that its just 'home team advantage'. By this I mean they possibly scored the game higher due to pride in fellow europeans.
This is a stupid argument. There's absolute no proof of a "home team advantage" nor a reason for it. If there is, show it to me.
There are thinns like differences in taste, according to sales american players like shooters and gore more than europeans and more than japanese, that is a more likely reason to the sudden shift in scores, that european players are more receptive at the tone and intention of the game than americans because of their preferences.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 17, 2014, 08:27:24 AM
Well my curiosity lead me to having everything in the game spoiled for me (and when I mean everything I mean EVERYTHING) but despite all that, I still wanna play it anyway.
 
Even though I know American publications are gonna murder this game at this point, I'll just ignore them and see how "bad" it is for myself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 17, 2014, 08:46:22 AM
lmao the game is gonna be released in like a week and a half dude, you really couldnt help yourself to avoid spoilers until then? u should practice stronger restraint my friend

unless youre not intending to buy the game at all then spoil yourself all the way. but its like reading the entire script and watching the leaked ending for Avengers 2 not 24 hours before it's released in theaters even after you already bought a ticket.. why even do it to yourself it just ruins the whole experience lol
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Post by: Melanicus on February 17, 2014, 08:47:03 AM
Well my curiosity lead me to having everything in the game spoiled for me (and when I mean everything I mean EVERYTHING) but despite all that, I still wanna play it anyway.
 
Even though I know American publications are gonna murder this game at this point, I'll just ignore them and see how "bad" it is for myself.

Would you mind directing me to where your curiosity led you, so I too can spoil everything for myself?  ;D You can PM me if you want.
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Post by: e105beta on February 17, 2014, 09:21:44 AM
Well my curiosity lead me to having everything in the game spoiled for me (and when I mean everything I mean EVERYTHING) but despite all that, I still wanna play it anyway.
 
Even though I know American publications are gonna murder this game at this point, I'll just ignore them and see how "bad" it is for myself.

Do you think American publications are going to murder the game because of something you got spoiled for you?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 17, 2014, 09:32:04 AM
Do you think American publications are going to murder the game because of something you got spoiled for you?

No not that.
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Post by: e105beta on February 17, 2014, 09:57:01 AM
No not that.

All I want to know is:

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 17, 2014, 10:06:27 AM
In case this wasn't mentioned before, here's an extended preview for LoS2 from the French reviewer Jeux Video.
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00018721-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview.htm (http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00018721-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview.htm)

I didn't feel like translating the entire article, so here are the section titles and the conclusion:

- A game under influences
Highlights common ground with DMC, SoTC, Bayonetta, and GoW.

- Kratos' Shadow
Highlights storyline and aesthetic similarities to GoW (not gameplay)

- Two Worlds for the price of one
The game switches between two distinct game worlds. Fully 3D with free camera, partially explorable environments.

- A dynamic gameplay
Gameplay is pretty diverse, switching between dynamic combat, puzzle segments, and platforming sequences. Character customizable with interesting weapons and competences. QTEs can be removed. Blocking, Chaos, Void, etc.

- A complete and upgradeable inventory
(Nothing we don't already know)

- An adventure full of surprises

Conclusion:
A true melting pot borrowing with varying success from many influences and inspirations, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 seems to have taken cues from all sides in order to garner the largest audience possible. And if its protagonist has been somewhat denatured as a result, most player types will be able to find elements compatible with their affinities. While suffering from an uneven aesthetic, this adventure nevertheless manages to offer a strong and well-studied gameplay, as well as a solid game length. Full opinion coming in the review.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 17, 2014, 10:23:16 AM
In case this wasn't mentioned before, here's an extended preview for LoS2 from the French reviewer Jeux Video.
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00018721-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview.htm (http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00018721-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-preview.htm)
Oh yeah, that preview was awful. I can't wait to see what they'll cook up for the real test.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 17, 2014, 10:25:19 AM
All I want to know is:

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I haven't seen it go down but going on the info the answer is:
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 17, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Oh yeah, that preview was awful. I can't wait to see what they'll cook up for the real test.

I can't read French. Was the preview written awfully? The feedback sounded pretty good to me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 17, 2014, 10:40:08 AM
Where did you get everything spoiled Kingshango?

Also what are the other Titans? Leviathan, giant Mech?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 17, 2014, 10:47:52 AM
Where did you get everything spoiled Kingshango?

Also what are the other Titans? Leviathan, giant Mech?

Basically plot spoilers and what the Leviathan is, nothing on the other titans.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 17, 2014, 11:04:02 AM
Basically plot spoilers and what the Leviathan is, nothing on the other titans.

Enlighten us.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 17, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
I was gonna just PM it to you guys but fuck it I'll just spoil tag it, basically read it if you wanna get spoiled:

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 17, 2014, 11:57:46 AM
I was gonna just PM it to you guys but fuck it I'll just spoil tag it, basically read it if you wanna get spoiled:

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I guess the whole "open ended" thing wasn't bullshit. Damn.
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Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 17, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 17, 2014, 12:31:46 PM
Ugh, all but one of those was extremely obvious...but that one...I shouldn't have clicked.

I'll see you guys Friday after next. I'm not at critical mass yet, but I don't want to spoil any more for myself.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 17, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
I was gonna just PM it to you guys but fuck it I'll just spoil tag it, basically read it if you wanna get spoiled:

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That second spoiler is extremely disappointing to read. What the hell Mercury Steam.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 17, 2014, 12:48:02 PM
That second spoiler is extremely disappointing to read. What the hell Mercury Steam.

Yup that's the one.

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Post by: Ahasverus on February 17, 2014, 01:01:53 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 17, 2014, 01:09:23 PM
That second spoiler is extremely disappointing to read. What the hell Mercury Steam.

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I know right?

Say what you want about IGA and his interpretation of the original canon, but at least in the end he had Dracula put away for good by the belmont clan with the Help of Alucard.


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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 17, 2014, 01:18:38 PM
Cox himself spoiled #2 like 2 years ago in a tweet.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 17, 2014, 01:24:55 PM
Cox himself spoiled #2 like 2 years ago in a tweet.

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nope

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Post by: Ahasverus on February 17, 2014, 01:40:10 PM
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 17, 2014, 01:42:38 PM
I can't read French. Was the preview written awfully? The feedback sounded pretty good to me.
Basically, it was "We love GoW GoW GoW GoW Castlevania GoW GoW".
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 17, 2014, 01:47:10 PM
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Where did it say that?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 17, 2014, 02:04:34 PM
That second spoiler is extremely disappointing to read. What the hell Mercury Steam.

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Yeah exactly. That's just ridiculously lame. Though, I suppose anti-climatic is what I'd use to describe the LoS series in a whole...

Honestly at this point hearing about all the spoilers, and after playing that underwhelming and glitchy demo, this whole second game sounds really lame. It really just places LoS1 as the high point of the series, and it's been all downhill fast from here. Though in my opinion that isn't much praise, as LoS1 was riddled with it's own issues...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 17, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 17, 2014, 02:41:06 PM
Thanks for the info Kingshango.

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Post by: MKKhanzo on February 17, 2014, 02:48:01 PM
 Well if thats true then I would have some questions:

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And:

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 17, 2014, 02:49:22 PM
Everything else but the Belmont Lineage info dump leaks.

I guess it's not as spectacular as I was hoping it would be.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 17, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
Somebody give this man an answer! I too want to know about the Belmont lineage tab.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 17, 2014, 03:09:36 PM
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Everything else but the Belmont Lineage info dump leaks.

I guess it's not as spectacular as I was hoping it would be.

i read this in oswald cobblepot AKA the penguin's voice

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent.hollywire.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fresize%2F2012%2F07%2F20%2Fbatman_danny_devito_penguin-500x299.jpg&hash=9dd75a3d078a02a24da28ece6e19512a)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 17, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 17, 2014, 03:59:47 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CASTLEVANIA-LORDS-OF-SHADOW-2-PS3-PROMO-Brand-New-/131118862992 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CASTLEVANIA-LORDS-OF-SHADOW-2-PS3-PROMO-Brand-New-/131118862992)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevelyan on February 17, 2014, 04:17:33 PM
Regarding the ending spoilers -
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jmodlin210 on February 17, 2014, 04:38:14 PM
After Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 gets released, will they release Castlevania: lords of shadow 3? are they going to release dlc stories for castlevania lords of shadow 2 for alucard, victor, simon, belmonts?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 17, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
HAHAHAHA

I was expecting a shitty ending, but this is completely, utter bullshit! What the fuck? What the hell!? What a completely CRAP ending. Hopefully, this shit is fake!

And people say the old timeline is worse? IF it's not on par, it's even worse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 17, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
After Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 gets released, will they release Castlevania: lords of shadow 3?

Konami might, but Mercurysteam has already said that they are definitely done with the series after Lords of Shadow 2, so they would be doing it without them which some fans may find troubling.

MS said that the Lords of Shadow series was meant to be a trilogy with LOS1,MOF,and LOS2, but Konami owns it and they could just get another team to make a Lords of Shadow 3 if they wanted to.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 17, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
These unmarked, casual impressions of allegedly spoilerific info tell me that I should have probably bailed out of this thread sooner.

Listening to the soundtrack is one thing, but I actually want there to be some intrigue when I play this game for myself. I spoiled some pretty major things about LoS1 before release, and I was kicking myself for it throughout the game. Not letting that happen this time.

See you all when the game hits.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 17, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
These unmarked, casual impressions of allegedly spoilerific info tell me that I should have probably bailed out of this thread sooner.

Listening to the soundtrack is one thing, but I actually want there to be some intrigue when I play this game for myself. I spoiled some pretty major things about LoS1 before release, and I was kicking myself for it throughout the game. Not letting that happen this time.

See you all when the game hits.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 17, 2014, 05:52:40 PM
Regarding the ending spoilers -
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LoS3 is supposed to be a prequel according to our leaky buddies.

Like I said before, I will probably stop paying attention to this series if Konami keeps LoS going. 2DVania must live, otherwise I don't see myself buying anymore Castlevania games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 17, 2014, 05:53:41 PM
HAHAHAHA

I was expecting a shitty ending, but this is completely, utter bullshit! What the fuck? What the hell!? What a completely CRAP ending. Hopefully, this shit is fake!

And people say the old timeline is worse? IF it's not on par, it's even worse.
Yeaaaah no. This one actually follows an arc, makes sense, and is not indifinetly bloated. Well done Mercury, the ending might be controversial, but you created a good story.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 17, 2014, 06:20:47 PM
That ending doesn't seem very controversial or groundbreaking, or that people will talk about it for more than a few months other than 'best/worst cv endings' in the classic threads subforum.

The game itself doesn't seem like the worst thing (considering that this series boasts such AAA titles like curse of darkness, Judgment, Legends, and Haunted Castle), or even all that bad. But it's not the super duper quality action title or whatever that they kept boasting it would be. It seems like this generation's Lament of Innocence, which had similar hype as the ultimate 3D Castlevania but it was only good and nothing more.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 17, 2014, 06:23:08 PM
Yeaaaah no. This one actually follows an arc, makes sense, and is not indifinetly bloated. Well done Mercury, the ending might be controversial, but you created a good story.
They created a complete story. Good? Completely debatable. For me, it's a very shitty story. And if this ending is confirmed, it would be even worse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 17, 2014, 06:42:55 PM
I liked it because they didn't go for the safe route.
I think with prequel they mean between los1/mof and los2, not LoS: Origins.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 17, 2014, 06:50:56 PM
I liked it because they didn't go for the safe route.
I think with prequel they mean between los1/mof and los2, not LoS: Origins.
Not going the safe route doesn't mean anything at all.

You or anyone here could create a non-safe Castlevania origin history. That doesn't mean it would be automatically a good story.

I know that you're praising the developer for trying something new. In fact, a reboot is exactly doing that. But it's simply not a good story, even though it's completely original. It's conveyed on a bad way, with lots of problems. Of course, in my opinion. They could have a much better story if they wanted.

Well, it's the story they wanted to tell at least. Too bad it'll leave a taste on my mouth: a really bad taste.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 17, 2014, 09:40:18 PM
and glitchy demo,
underwhelming is subjective- but glitchy? what
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 18, 2014, 12:45:31 AM
wow what an ending... ???
I would rather take my own ending for the saga than what they served. /sigh...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 18, 2014, 01:30:51 AM
Less than 10 days to go. Gnnnnnn.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 18, 2014, 02:08:36 AM
This ending is incredibly disappointing. LoS2's plot had such a promising setup that I had actually expected something interesting from MercurySteam. But this... This is just... *Bangs head on table*

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 18, 2014, 04:06:17 AM
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Also, I just read Spainkiller's review. He gave the game a 83/100.

Hating:

 

The positive:

 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Hagathrom on February 18, 2014, 05:44:47 AM
http://www.polygon.com/2014/2/18/5419932/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2s-dracula-is-a-tony-soprano-nosferatu (http://www.polygon.com/2014/2/18/5419932/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2s-dracula-is-a-tony-soprano-nosferatu)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 18, 2014, 06:07:43 AM
I don't agree that the ending sounds "happy."
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Title: "Nagumos of Shadow"
Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 07:01:20 AM
yesterday i turned on my 3DS for the first time in months, and lo and behold, it worked! it was malfunctioning before the b button just would not work for some reason but now its back to normal now i can finally play starfox64 3D, its been sealed in its original plastic since it came out lol. now i can finish chrono trigger & kirby super star

but anyway who here has preordered the European Limited edition "Dracula's Tomb" edition Lords of Shadow? i wanana get it but since i live in friggin America i have to order it via ebay and scalpers are trying to sell it for like $300. i already have some rare los promo items and materials that arent available to the public so i dont knowe if i should throw down the coin on this package i dont think its worth anymore than $150 although i been proved wrong before in fact with my hand accidented on the piano and lied you, feel myself guilty. the dlc is going to get delayed most likely
Title: "Crisis on Infinite Lords of Shadow"
Post by: thernz on February 18, 2014, 08:10:23 AM
Fun fact: the city is actually called "Castlevania City", he evens insists it's not a joke.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 18, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
Wasn't it Wygol City? I think Castlevania city is a rethorical name.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on February 18, 2014, 08:44:27 AM
Castlevania City is now canon.

Please let that sink in for a moment.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on February 18, 2014, 08:49:36 AM
Aaand flashback to that horrible Worlds of Power novel.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on February 18, 2014, 08:50:26 AM
Castlevania City is now canon.

Please let that sink in for a moment.
Only Simon's Quest had acknowledged the name "Castlevania" before right?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 10:05:25 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/castlevania/comments/1y6jkv/for_the_past_month_weve_been_working_to_create_a/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/castlevania/comments/1y6jkv/for_the_past_month_weve_been_working_to_create_a/)

Review embargo lifts 25th, guys. Don't get your hopes up.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 18, 2014, 10:38:28 AM
underwhelming is subjective- but glitchy? what


See my previous post on it here:

OK so I tried the LoS2 demo, PC version. Wow. I can't believe how bad that was.

Just to put this into perspective, not 5 minutes into the game I somehow glitched through the floor on the Titan for no reason and fell through the titan and  backgrounds until I died at the bottom of the glitch void.

So when I could actually do things on the Titan, and not glitch into the void, the Titan was as bland and boring as I expected, if not more so. Spending 5 minutes making a dude shoot rivets was just lame as hell.

And then it ended, just as they were going to let me kill the stupid sniper. Super short. Not satisfying at all.

The only good thing I can say is, the combat was smoother than LoS was. Though perhaps a bit heavy on the effects, making it hard to see at times.

I actually expected the game to stand up way better than that, but after that pathetic demo I don't even know if I'd play it for free. It's certainly not getting my money.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: theplottwist on February 18, 2014, 11:50:06 AM
Castlevania City is now canon.

Please let that sink in for a moment.

This is absolutelly ridiculous, seriously. Now I understand the whole "city growing from the castle" shenanigans, but holy crap this name is horrid... Why not call the city... "Castle City" maybe? Or "Castille" if we're going full blown spanish? But no... Castlevania City it is. All that is left now is to have Dracula as a mayor.

Only Simon's Quest had acknowledged the name "Castlevania" before right?

Nope. Order of Ecclesia also did it on enemy descriptions. Symphony of the Night did it too on the prologue text.

Y'know, I always found it strange that the game calls the castle "Castlevania" so rarely.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 18, 2014, 11:56:57 AM
It's not Castlevania city in game, it's Wygol

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. Wygol Village, one of the areas found in Lords of Shadow, has become the city in which Lords of Shadow 2 is set. The village, which was set beside Dracula's castle, grew after the castle was left deserted.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-08-the-god-of-war-comparisons-really-pissed-us-off (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-08-the-god-of-war-comparisons-really-pissed-us-off)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 18, 2014, 12:09:46 PM
It's not Castlevania city in game, it's Wygol

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-08-the-god-of-war-comparisons-really-pissed-us-off (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-08-the-god-of-war-comparisons-really-pissed-us-off)
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it WAS wygol village

now it's castlevania city...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 18, 2014, 12:21:08 PM
Hmm. I'll believe you for now. It does sound weird, but whatever, it's a name.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 18, 2014, 12:30:02 PM
is wygol that much of a good name either
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
why couldnt they just call it "Aljiba City" or something, y'know, an actual reference to one of the classic games
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 18, 2014, 01:43:29 PM

See my previous post on it here:
That's very strange. Ive never seen a single bug in my demo, and bugs dont seem to be a common complaint with the game. The only complaints I see are

1. the effects are too bright and can cause you to get hit because you didnt see the attack indicator (this I agree with, although from the gameplay videos like the toymaker fight, it seems like theyve toned down the brightness)

2.the ridiculous hand holding with the camera zooming in on the same thing every few minutes to remind you what to do (also agreed, but since it's a tutorial and seems to very obviously have been made with "Demo" in mind I can overlook it)

and

3. NOT MUH CASTLEVANIA

which is still an argument I hear tossed around here and there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 18, 2014, 01:45:52 PM

 Extra extra! New demo extended that show the gold paladin's fight (at the end of the video):

 B Preview- Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iLE81rwDnQ#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 18, 2014, 01:47:03 PM
why couldnt they just call it "Aljiba City" or something, y'know, an actual reference to one of the classic games

They could've just called it 'the City' a la F.E.A.R.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 18, 2014, 02:08:18 PM
Maybe they named the city Castlevania, so we don´t forget that LoS 2 is a Castlevania game :P.

Why not to use the name Warakiya, or Valachia, of the first games??? Even Transilvania, for once!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 18, 2014, 02:31:26 PM
Say whatever you want, but that prayer between the paladin and Dracul was very cool.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 18, 2014, 02:33:37 PM
Castlevania city is a really quirky name.

Like they named it that during development and at the end, thought the name was neat enough to keep as it's actual name.

I'm ok with it.

Extra extra! New demo extended that show the gold paladin's fight (at the end of the video):

 B Preview- Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iLE81rwDnQ#ws)
Very interesting.
Say whatever you want, but that prayer between the paladin and Dracul was very cool.
I agree, that was real neat. Like the early spoilers said, he grabs the cross and it doesn't hurt him because he really is still God's chosen one, despite being an unholy abomination.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 02:35:29 PM
Am I the only one not that bothered by "Castlevania City"?

It's like a game called "Donkey Kong 64" taking place on Donkey Kong Island.

Or to use a real life example, it's no more ridiculous than "New York City" or "West Valley City" or "Salt Lake City"

Am I missing something?

EDIT: Just watched that video. Guard breaking? Very interesting... In LoS1 attacking a guarding opponent always meant an unblockable to the face. Nice to know they're promoting aggressive gameplay. Seems like they're making it easier to air combo too, what with every attack not hitting Dracula out of the air.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 02:45:11 PM
i think Flame & e105beta are fine with just about every negative thing someone has to say about los2 lol

"man this stealth section really sucks!" ... it's actually not that bad, very immersive i like it

"castlevania city? could've been more creative than that!" ... i actually think it fits quite well

"the demo was glitchy as i fell through the titan for no reason, left me with a big WTF look on my face" ... it was very well thought out and conceived, i experienced no problems, u sure it was a glitch and u werent just hallucinating?


LOL i love you guys  :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 18, 2014, 02:46:08 PM
why couldnt they just call it "Aljiba City" or something, y'know, an actual reference to one of the classic games
Castlevania is the entire name of the series. How much of an actual reference do you want.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 02:48:27 PM
i think Flame & e105beta are fine with just about every negative thing someone has to say about los2 lol

"man this stealth section really sucks!" ... it's actually not that bad, very immersive i like it

"castlevania city? could've been more creative than that!" ... i actually think it fits quite well

"the demo was glitchy as i fell through the titan for no reason, left me with a big WTF look on my face" ... it was very well thought out and conceived, i experienced no problems, u sure it was a glitch and u werent just hallucinating?


LOL i love you guys  :D

Honestly, I think I'm just really easy to please. Unless a game is an outright snorefest, I will play it and most likely like it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 18, 2014, 02:50:23 PM
Even Judgment?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 02:51:31 PM
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Castlevania is the entire name of the series. How much of an actual reference do you want.

just about any name is better than "Castlevania City," no matter which way you cut it or defend it!
i wouldve even been fine with "Ahasverus District"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 02:53:13 PM
Even Judgment?

Yup, even Judgement, in that "Oh my god, why are we playing this?" kind of way.

I got it for Christmas. It was a fun little diversion and I played it long enough to unlock everyone.

Art sucked a bag of dicks, though
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
i even wouldve liked "Nagumo Boulevard" better than Castlevania City!!!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 18, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
Look. It is actually a very good name.

The city was built where once was a mighty castle. The is a Transylvania, Pennsylvania, etc etc. Castlevania is ok and it makes sense. That's it. Also as someone already said, Castlevania has been used as the name of a place, the castle. So, another place can be named like that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
no, it's not. it's a lame, generic name. its not unique or creative. lets just call the entire continent "castlevania peninsula" & the game takes place in "northeast castlevania region," because i dunno
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 18, 2014, 03:16:29 PM
I think of this as the "use your real name, Robin" part of Mercury's trilogy, the part when they take a symbolic name and fit it into the cannon. It's kind of neat.
just about any name is better than "Castlevania City," no matter which way you cut it or defend it!
i wouldve even been fine with "Ahasverus District"
They owe me that. At least IGA put me in Curse of Darkness.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 03:20:09 PM
no, it's not. it's a lame, generic name. its not unique or creative. lets just call the entire continent "castlevania peninsula" & the game takes place in "northeast castlevania region," because i dunno

It's a city that built up around a castle the size of a planet named Castlevania. It's probably the most notable thing about the area in the history of forever.

What's so wrong with that?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 18, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
I dunno, "Castlevania City" makes sense to me.

The fucking castle is smack-dabbed right in the middle of it, why not. And it would make sense to someone who goes "whys it called Castlevania? Oooooh thats why."

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 03:39:56 PM
like Flame said its almost as if it was just a placeholder name early in development & forgot to give it a more unique one & by the time they noticed it was too late, so they left it as "Castlevania City." no more creative & just as dumb-sounding as "dave cox-land"


(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled_zps76d58b1e.jpg&hash=5b35c940ab182fafc4ec5a55e483a5de)


sorry if i offend any1, just having fun
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 18, 2014, 03:56:14 PM
like Flame said its almost as if it was just a placeholder name early in development & forgot to give it a more unique one & by the time they noticed it was too late, so they left it as "Castlevania City." no more creative & just as dumb-sounding as "dave cox-land"

Agreed.
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Post by: Neobelmont on February 18, 2014, 04:06:14 PM
Anyone remember Nanomachine Island >_>

Just saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano_Breaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano_Breaker)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on February 18, 2014, 04:08:23 PM
I only wish there were a real Castlevania City.  :-\
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Post by: beingthehero on February 18, 2014, 04:08:35 PM
Nano Breaker is a masterpiece, though ;_;
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 18, 2014, 04:18:41 PM
Nano Breaker is a masterpiece, though ;_;

hey rainbow blood right? Oh or oil right?  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 18, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
i think Flame & e105beta are fine with just about every negative thing someone has to say about los2 lol

"man this stealth section really sucks!" ... it's actually not that bad, very immersive i like it

"castlevania city? could've been more creative than that!" ... i actually think it fits quite well

"the demo was glitchy as i fell through the titan for no reason, left me with a big WTF look on my face" ... it was very well thought out and conceived, i experienced no problems, u sure it was a glitch and u werent just hallucinating?


LOL i love you guys  :D

THANK YOU! I was about to say that, and that's evident from the very first game. There's never a problem with the game, every decision was the right decision for them or they don't have a problem with any polemic decision.

Add Ahasverus too, even though he have some breakdowns sometimes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 18, 2014, 04:30:43 PM
Nano Breaker is a masterpiece, though ;_;
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130912234224%2Ffossilfighters%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe2%2FHow-about-no-bear.jpg&hash=a8971460da8c1f9067c85e553b329458)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 18, 2014, 04:31:55 PM
Lol castlevania city.

How lazy and generic can you get?

Come on now MS, we all know you can be more creative than that.

I agree with the notion that it was probably something used as a placeholder in the original concept that for whatever reason they decided to keep in the end.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 18, 2014, 04:33:36 PM
Im out on a loop, what are we arguing about again? (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fdwill.png&hash=552197577df1d54f6bf074da589bc5a0)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 18, 2014, 04:35:34 PM
Im out on a loop, what are we arguing about again? (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fdwill.png&hash=552197577df1d54f6bf074da589bc5a0)

No arguments here.

Some are saying how generic and lazy the "Castlevania City" name is while others are saying how much they don't mind or like it.
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Post by: uzo on February 18, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
Whether or not the name "Castlevania City" is a dumb name for the city in LoS2. It's been discoevered to be the name Mercury Steam used for it.

Hint: It is dumb.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 18, 2014, 04:39:13 PM
No arguments here.

Some are saying how generic and lazy the "Castlevania City" name is while others are saying how much they don't mind or like it.

Oh, well carry on then.




It's a lame name btw. (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fthumbsdown.gif&hash=c4e322f509ff982adde9ef359932765b)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 18, 2014, 04:41:21 PM
THANK YOU! I was about to say that, and that's evident from the very first game. There's never a problem with the game, every decision was the right decision for them or they don't have a problem with any polemic decision.

Don't speak for me that way. or I can say the same thing for some people and IGA, to whom he is infallible and is the patron saint of Castlevania. Do you really want to start that all over again?

I acknowledge that the LoS series isn't for everyone, and that LoS1 and MoF have their issues, which while they didn't bother me, I can see as issues.

it all boils down to that argument we love, "what makes a castlevania game".

My list is relatively simple. Toss me Belmonts, Dracula, a giant improbable Castle, monsters, and I'm content to give leeway on the direction. I'm also very open to seeing different people do different takes on the franchise.

Art is relatively important too, which is a big factor in my dislike of DoS and PoR. LoS meanwhile, most people agree has a pretty good art style to it. Judgement for example, has an unforgivable artstyle and character redesigns. (although some of them are better than others. Shanoa and Trevor Beltmont are ok with me, while Sephiroth Alucard is plain and boring, and Simon Yagami is disgusting. As is Maria Renard.)

LoS1 had enough nods and throwbacks to older CV games to make me happy. MoF I have yet to play for myself, but has great Castlevania atmosphere.

and LoS2, from screenshots ive seen, has the same atmosphere, even in the modern day city. the gameplay seems smooth and responsive, much improved over LoS1, and well, I haven't actually played it yet so I can't really judge beyond "LoS1 and MoF were ok with me so this probably will be too"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 18, 2014, 04:43:43 PM
Are we really arguing about the name? Can we discuss how awesome the paladin scene was? Please.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 18, 2014, 04:46:45 PM
Are we really arguing about the name? Can we discuss how awesome the paladin scene was? Please.

read my above post, there aren't any arguments here, so far this thread has been pretty tame, people have voiced their dislike of the name (such as myself) while others have said they do not mind it.

What thread are we reading here where there are actually people arguing over the name?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 04:48:50 PM
THANK YOU! I was about to say that, and that's evident from the very first game. There's never a problem with the game, every decision was the right decision for them or they don't have a problem with any polemic decision.

Add Ahasverus too, even though he have some breakdowns sometimes.

And why is that a bad thing?

I know you have no issue with someone not liking the game in its entirety, so why do you have an issue with someone liking the game in its entirety?

I really like the soundtrack.

I don't have an issue with the name "Castlevania City". It's a name, just like "New York City". Wow, how creative is that? It's the big city in New York. Couldn't they have called it Liberty City? Geez.

And if you were paying attention, I was actually quite wary about the stealth at first. It sounded bad, but I don't have any real beef with the stealth that I saw in the German preview. That could change, but as of right now, while not impressive, isn't all that bad, IMO

Am I not allowed to be honest? Just because you might see some irreconcilable flaws with the games doesn't mean I have to have them.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 18, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Well in a attempt to stir thing along, for my latin dungeon brehs, what was Drac and the Paladin chanting?
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Post by: thernz on February 18, 2014, 04:49:35 PM
fences and trees were still standing after dracula blew everything up

what are those fences made of
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 18, 2014, 04:50:09 PM
read my above post, there aren't any arguments here, so far this thread has been pretty tame, people have voiced their dislike of the name (such as myself) while others have said they do not mind it.

What thread are we reading here where there are actually people arguing over the name?

Youre right. So Carmilla narrates the intro?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 18, 2014, 04:51:17 PM
Now there is a argument brewing over those who supposedly love every aspect of Lords of Shadow being called out for it. :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
Now there is a argument brewing over those who supposedly love every aspect of Lords of Shadow being called out for it. :P

I'm just here, giving my opinions, but I guess some people aren't ok with that.

It's always safer to criticize than commend, I guess.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 18, 2014, 04:55:44 PM
I'm just here, giving my opinions, but I guess some people aren't ok with that.

It's always safer to criticize than commend, I guess.

Hey, more power to ya man.

I don't mind people stating their opinions myself, so long as I'm able to give mine as well without having rocks thrown at me. :'(
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Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 04:58:56 PM
Hey, more power to ya man.

I don't mind people stating their opinions myself, so long as I'm able to give mine as well without having rocks thrown at me. :'(

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstream1.gifsoup.com%2Fview3%2F1158900%2Fcaptain-kirk-throws-a-rock-o.gif&hash=f692354bade3278975bd69352f4c9d6d)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 18, 2014, 05:00:41 PM
Don't speak for me that way. or I can say the same thing for some people and IGA, to whom he is infallible and is the patron saint of Castlevania. Do you really want to start that all over again?

I acknowledge that the LoS series isn't for everyone, and that LoS1 and MoF have their issues, which while they didn't bother me, I can see as issues.

it all boils down to that argument we love, "what makes a castlevania game".

My list is relatively simple. Toss me Belmonts, Dracula, a giant improbable Castle, monsters, and I'm content to give leeway on the direction. I'm also very open to seeing different people do different takes on the franchise.

Art is relatively important too, which is a big factor in my dislike of DoS and PoR. LoS meanwhile, most people agree has a pretty good art style to it. Judgement for example, has an unforgivable artstyle and character redesigns. (although some of them are better than others. Shanoa and Trevor Beltmont are ok with me, while Sephiroth Alucard is plain and boring, and Simon Yagami is disgusting. As is Maria Renard.)

LoS1 had enough nods and throwbacks to older CV games to make me happy. MoF I have yet to play for myself, but has great Castlevania atmosphere.

and LoS2, from screenshots ive seen, has the same atmosphere, even in the modern day city. the gameplay seems smooth and responsive, much improved over LoS1, and well, I haven't actually played it yet so I can't really judge beyond "LoS1 and MoF were ok with me so this probably will be too"
Don't take it too seriously. It was just a fun observation.

I don't really have a problem with you guys always sounding so positive, it makes things equal.
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Post by: theplottwist on February 18, 2014, 05:02:07 PM
THANK YOU! I was about to say that, and that's evident from the very first game. There's never a problem with the game, every decision was the right decision for them or they don't have a problem with any polemic decision.


They're not problems. They're "features" :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
They're not problems. They're "features" :P

It's true.  ;)

EDIT: In the interest of keeping actual conversation going, I actually really liked the whole Paladin fight & end scene. Don't know why that one preview said it was so weird.

Probably too "oogah boogah religion" for them.
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Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 05:19:41 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_en3tE7aKwk8%2FTOVv7ppcxeI%2FAAAAAAAACc4%2FKTCUEk3lbCE%2Fs640%2Ffat%252Bdog.jpg&hash=e9a06669ea0a364928073592bea9631d)

shes not fat, shes healthy
shes not "out of shape" either, last time i checked, round is a shape

i wonder what the chances are of los2 breaking los1's record of best selling castlevania game. honestly i dont think it's gonna happen
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Post by: EstebanT on February 18, 2014, 05:26:31 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_en3tE7aKwk8%2FTOVv7ppcxeI%2FAAAAAAAACc4%2FKTCUEk3lbCE%2Fs640%2Ffat%252Bdog.jpg&hash=e9a06669ea0a364928073592bea9631d)

shes not fat, shes healthy
shes not "out of shape" either, last time i checked, round is a shape

i wonder what the chances are of los2 breaking los1's record of best selling castlevania game. honestly i dont think it's gonna happen

Learn to "Subjective" dude.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 18, 2014, 05:37:24 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_en3tE7aKwk8%2FTOVv7ppcxeI%2FAAAAAAAACc4%2FKTCUEk3lbCE%2Fs640%2Ffat%252Bdog.jpg&hash=e9a06669ea0a364928073592bea9631d)

shes not fat, shes healthy
shes not "out of shape" either, last time i checked, round is a shape

i wonder what the chances are of los2 breaking los1's record of best selling castlevania game. honestly i dont think it's gonna happen
Definitely won't happen.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 18, 2014, 05:40:20 PM
WHERE MUH LEAKS
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 18, 2014, 05:42:21 PM
why so serious, EstebanT?

im obviously joking. these new members lately need to chill out, after all, i earned the "Trollmeister" award for a reason  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 18, 2014, 05:47:37 PM
why so serious, EstebanT?

im obviously joking. these new members lately need to chill out, after all, i earned the "Trollmeister" award for a reason  ;)

Lol. You got me.
Im just so tired of the shit lords of shadow is getting from fans and reviewers. I was actually pretty excited about the new paladin scene and I expected a circlejerk. Came to find a bunch of people whining about how bad the name "castlevania city" is...
THAT SCENE WAS AWESOME. ANYONE?!?!?
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 18, 2014, 05:52:06 PM
As for the Paladin-Dracula fight, it is interesting. Reminds me a little the one against Gabriel and Brauner, from the first game. But here, the video guy needs to block more often :P...

And, will be more SoTN quotes along the game? In the first minutes I remember the "What is a man..." and now the "Die monster...". I think that to this point we all know that the game have the Castlevania game in its name. Is really necessary that quotes from SoTN???
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Post by: Dremn on February 18, 2014, 06:06:40 PM
That Paladin fight was cool, but man he should have used the chaos claws sooner.

Wish we could have seen more of that story recap before the video cut off.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 18, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Lol. You got me.
Im just so tired of the shit lords of shadow is getting from fans and reviewers. I was actually pretty excited about the new paladin scene and I expected a circlejerk. Came to find a bunch of people whining about how bad the name "castlevania city" is...
THAT SCENE WAS AWESOME. ANYONE?!?!?

I thought it was awesome, and I was all hyped for the recap WHEN IT CUT OFF.

ARGHHHH!

Though, that guy sucked. Like, hard. When he started trading hits with the paladin, I was sighing in frustration. What is this, Hajime no Ippo? Why is everyone who gets to play these games early bad?

And, will be more SoTN quotes along the game? In the first minutes I remember the "What is a man..." and now the "Die monster...". I think that to this point we all know that the game have the Castlevania game in its name. Is really necessary that quotes from SoTN???

It's probably just the developers having a little fun.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 18, 2014, 06:50:25 PM
I think they deliberately didn't show Alucard putting Gabriel to sleep to let a window for future "prequel to LoS2" games which can retconn taht part saying "Alucard put him in sleep.. 50 years before Lords of Shadow 2, in the meantime there was this Belmont that..."
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Post by: Kamirine on February 18, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Honestly, scenes like that makes it hard for me to think LoS2 will be a bad game:  I'm reserving judgement but it's hard with scenes like that to hype me up.

And 'Castlevania City' made me laugh.  It's so corny and bad, it kinda works.  Like something your mom that doesn't know any better might refer to the game as.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 18, 2014, 06:52:16 PM
... Why is everyone who gets to play these games early bad?


After seeing that gameplay and the one of the german guys, I think that maybe that´s the reason for the low scores, and the concerning about the stealth, for example. It´s not see that complicate, but we will see when the game comes out, and we play for ourselves...
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Post by: Belmontoya on February 18, 2014, 09:10:12 PM
I can already tell that the stealth sections are going to be the new hotly debated topic like the QTE's of LOS1.  :rollseyes:

I might not even play LOS2. It's going to take a lot to take me away from Flappy Bird these days.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zetheraxza on February 18, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
The problem is that It sounds like a Fan City. Its like bunch of CV fans joined up and called it Castlevania City. It would have been better if the City was just called Castlevania. No reason to add city for its suffix. Even Dracula's Castle is called "Dracula's Castle". They never called anything Castlevania, so far it has only been a Brand Name, a Brand Name you kinda trust less after they have new detergent producing company. I liked the "Epic Holy Rap Battle Arm Wrestling Contest" in the end, you could totally see the crowd blown away~
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Post by: thernz on February 18, 2014, 09:55:24 PM
Though, that guy sucked. Like, hard. When he started trading hits with the paladin, I was sighing in frustration. What is this, Hajime no Ippo? Why is everyone who gets to play these games early bad?
there wasn't much point for him to try when his void sword meter recharged at a rate where he could just exchange hits with the paladin anyway. obviously being a tutorial, that's not very indicative of the actual combat.

people aren't obligated to be skillful at games anyway. it's not like losing constantly in a game would necessarily cause the user to have a more negative reception. that's common territory in other character action games and stuff like dork souls.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 18, 2014, 11:29:02 PM
The problem is that It sounds like a Fan City. Its like bunch of CV fans joined up and called it Castlevania City. It would have been better if the City was just called Castlevania. No reason to add city for its suffix. Even Dracula's Castle is called "Dracula's Castle". They never called anything Castlevania, so far it has only been a Brand Name, a Brand Name you kinda trust less after they have new detergent producing company. I liked the "Epic Holy Rap Battle Arm Wrestling Contest" in the end, you could totally see the crowd blown away~
It sounds awkward. There's many different things they could've called the city. I'm partial to Jova City, or even Cordova(like in CoD). Castlevania city in a CV game is like having a new Final Fantasy game where you travel to "Final Fantasy City". It just doesn't sound right.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 19, 2014, 12:21:04 AM
I wonder if EstebanT will grimly nod his head when he sees the words Castlevania City appear on the screen for the first time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 19, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Wow just wow... first the ending then the name of the city... Can't they be more creative?
Oh well, carry on.


I'll just await the madness on the 25th once the embargo is lifted.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on February 19, 2014, 02:00:02 AM
Not bad too! Nice spot.

Some "atmosphere" tracks also contains some notes from "Divine Bloodlines", in a very calm/quiet arrangement, though it may be purely unintentional (atmosfere 5).

Not picking on you in particular Chernabogue, but is this really what Castlevania music has been reduced to? Picking out stray notes that are reminiscent of classic tunes? I would shed tears if not for the shear contempt I have for these soundtracks.
And, indeed, those tears would be bloody.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dark Nemesis on February 19, 2014, 02:54:20 AM
I looked some pages back and didn't see it posted, so here is a video interview, with Cox, regarding the music of LoS 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKQuy3o_2w#t=86 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKQuy3o_2w#t=86)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on February 19, 2014, 02:56:26 AM
And that one word encompasses everything I dislike about LoS music. "Score".


Look. It is actually a very good name.

The city was built where once was a mighty castle. The is a Transylvania, Pennsylvania, etc etc. Castlevania is ok and it makes sense. That's it. Also as someone already said, Castlevania has been used as the name of a place, the castle. So, another place can be named like that.

Except that if you're going to follow that naming convention it would be Castlesylvania or maybe Casylvania since the above examples are compounds with the word sylvan meaning forest. Hell, Casylvania would have been a clever homonym at least.


Don't speak for me that way. or I can say the same thing for some people and IGA, to whom he is infallible and is the patron saint of Castlevania. Do you really want to start that all over again?

Not for nothin' but it seems like you mention IGA more than anyone else most of the time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 19, 2014, 04:00:58 AM
Just preordered my PC version, with a free French official guide, oh yeah! :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 19, 2014, 05:10:37 AM
Castlevania being the name of Dracula's castle is some bizarre addition made by the localization team. I guess it's fine that they follow the English versions of the game in this case, but it's already stupid to use it as a name to begin with. Also, why would a Romanian city use a name that's half English, half Romanian? 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 05:15:14 AM
Damn we're whiny.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 19, 2014, 05:18:52 AM
I just think it's hilarious. But I guess if you can't say Castlevania City without a straight face you're just hating.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 05:49:28 AM
I just think it's hilarious. But I guess if you can't say Castlevania City without a straight face you're just hating.
I can't lol It's cringe worthy. But still, we're whiny haha.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 19, 2014, 06:01:12 AM
Castlevania City sounds a bit strange, but I think that's okay. Not good, not bad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 19, 2014, 06:03:32 AM
Castlevania City sounds like something I'd expect from Captain N.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: ryatwo on February 19, 2014, 06:54:39 AM
Not to berate the current conversation, but isn't it a bit much to go on for 4 pages worth of discussion just for the name of a city? Personally I don't see much harm in the name, but I guess it is a bit silly. I guess that shows how much of an info dump we need right now, eh?

So I wanted to say something about the previous spoilers from before but couldn't because of board registration issues. Here they are:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 19, 2014, 06:58:09 AM
It's official, the dungeon has lost it's mind.

Next there's gonna go back and forth about how cucumbers taste better than a pickle. :rollseyes:
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: e105beta on February 19, 2014, 07:14:02 AM
It's official, the dungeon has lost it's mind.

Next there's gonna go back and forth about how cucumbers taste better than a pickle. :rollseyes:

WOAH WOAH WOAH.

There is no way in HELL that cucumbers taste better than pickles.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 19, 2014, 07:42:53 AM
Castlevania City sounds like something I'd expect from Captain N.

^^^ This. It sounds like something you'd see in an 80s adaptation of the series. The name "Castlevania" itself is very much a product of the 80s(it was coined then as the Western title to the Akumajo Dracula series, which is why it's ripe with that old 80s feel). That's good to keep the title as a sense of familiarity, but that's probably the most that should be done with it. It's almost pulling in the memories of The Simpsons how Bart's are saying, "This is the part when Die Hard does this....", calling all the main characters of movies by the movie titles(which oddly enough, back then during the 80s and early 90s, I knew people like that). Now, you don't see that as much.

WOAH WOAH WOAH.

There is no way in HELL that cucumbers taste better than pickles.

^^^ SOOOOO much THIS!!!!  ;)
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Post by: Nagumo on February 19, 2014, 07:45:35 AM
Not to berate the current conversation, but isn't it a bit much to go on for 4 pages worth of discussion just for the name of a city? Personally I don't see much harm in the name, but I guess it is a bit silly. I guess that shows how much of an info dump we need right now, eh?

It was worth it.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 19, 2014, 07:56:13 AM
WOAH WOAH WOAH.

There is no way in HELL that cucumbers taste better than pickles.

Damn straight, pickles are the truth, cucumbers get tossed out on sight.
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Post by: VladCT on February 19, 2014, 08:29:33 AM
About the name of the city and how horribly cheesy it is, it depends on the feel of the setting. When you're a hard-rockin', cheesy, over-the-top game like Guilty Gear, you can get away with someone being named Bedman. However, seeing as the LoS trilogy is more dark and srsbsnss, not many people would be okay with Castlevania City. Note that I said "not many".
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Post by: thernz on February 19, 2014, 09:23:51 AM
Imagine if it was named Dracula City.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 19, 2014, 09:25:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9IIDjV1zI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9IIDjV1zI)
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Post by: Kingshango on February 19, 2014, 09:33:23 AM
Maybe I've been desensitized due to too much internet exposure but that "family meal" scene is not nearly as vile as those journalist's made it out to be.

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Post by: cerebralbore on February 19, 2014, 09:58:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9IIDjV1zI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9IIDjV1zI)

 I am getting bonner  :o
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Post by: Nagumo on February 19, 2014, 09:59:22 AM
Imagine if it was named Dracula City.

In the Japanese dub it will KYASSURUVANIA SHI TY

 
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 10:01:40 AM
So Dracula is ineed weak while in the stealth section. Now that makes me happy.
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Post by: thernz on February 19, 2014, 10:08:11 AM
I hope loincloth Dracula is an alternate costume.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 19, 2014, 10:11:22 AM
Watching the vieo further and I've come to the conclusion that this guy is the German equivalant of DSP.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 10:12:23 AM
I hope loincloth Dracula is an alternate costume.
yes please.


Well, faith restored, it's nice to see the game being played by someone who actually can play, that stealth section was a non issue, and it absolutely doesn't look like a PS2 game.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 19, 2014, 10:17:11 AM
So guys what do you think about that feeding Scene?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
So guys what do you think about that feeding Scene?
A normal scene. I've seen worse on my little pony.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on February 19, 2014, 10:32:50 AM
That's all there was to te stealth? Pfft, these guys don't deserve to review games. I was surprised that the guy was actually more than decent or, he actually did spend 5 hours on the game before uploading, lol. Either ways, it shows that the game isn't hard if you use common sense. I preordered this for PS3 with skins and relics two weeks ago, and I am glad I did it now. Reviews by wrong people is the worst thing you can do to the developers and the players.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 19, 2014, 10:36:51 AM
So guys what do you think about that feeding Scene?

I've seen worse in Breaking Dawn.

And I swear to god im not kidding.
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Post by: thernz on February 19, 2014, 10:42:05 AM
the way media affects you is based on personal experiences and etc, so it's all subjectivity in regards to that scene. so if it doesn't offend you, that still doesn't really have any weight against someone who gets discomfort from the scene.

what bothered me personally is that he wasted the father's blood, and that i wasn't really sure how the scene fit between the scenes before and after.
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Post by: flyingchai on February 19, 2014, 10:51:35 AM
i wasn't really sure how the scene fit between the scenes before and after.
...giant demon knocks emaciated Dracula senseless, he wakes up in a locked room with his "gift" from Zobek, takes a nap after his first feeding in centuries and wakes up in Zobek's house. What's the problem.
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Post by: thernz on February 19, 2014, 10:58:39 AM
I'M DUMB.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 19, 2014, 11:03:59 AM
Also that chandelier Scene is pretty easy actually. :D These German dudes were horrible. I would have done way betterthan them.
But that Greek Player seemed pretty decent at the game and also pretty cool as well.
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Post by: Dremn on February 19, 2014, 11:05:36 AM
The guy playing this game is awful.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 11:07:04 AM
What is fun is that the chandeliers work in reverse physics.
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Post by: flyingchai on February 19, 2014, 11:12:17 AM
The guy playing this game is awful.
At least he passed the collapsing floor to the Void Chamber, unlike the two German guys. My main problem with this fellow's gameplay is that he doesn't seem to know what a sync block is.

Oof I just can't wait to play this right!  ;D
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 11:22:44 AM
What I find funny is that Gabriel still takes Zobek's advice after all this time.
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Post by: Dremn on February 19, 2014, 11:38:37 AM
I really don't like how much this game holds your hand, and the factory is painfully generic looking. Oscar's score made me feel like I was watching an Arkham sequel.

After meeting with Trevor though it felt like Castlevania again. Well, as "Castlevania" LoS can get, I mean.

They made it way too obvious Zobek's guard is Alucard in disguise.
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Post by: flyingchai on February 19, 2014, 11:42:18 AM
I really don't like how much this game holds your hand

The game only holds your hand when it's the first time Dracula uses a particular power.
It just seems like a lot of hand holding because...there are a lot of powers to get acquainted with in just the first hour.

And since we've already seen via recent gameplay footage how some players just totally suck, it's kind of understandable why the initial use hand holding to show the player how to use a power is appropriate.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 11:51:23 AM
Yeah i certainly can't blame them. I think those visual cues can be turned off right?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 19, 2014, 11:53:58 AM
Yeah i certainly can't blame them. I think those visual cues can be turned off right?

The text telling you to come back later? Yep but only on prince of darkness.

The glowing and the camera stopping you dead in it's tracks to show you where you can and cannot go at this time? Nope.
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Post by: e105beta on February 19, 2014, 12:03:50 PM
After watching that whole video, I REALLY don't see what the problem that everyone (i.e. GI and Edge) seems to have with this.

The combat looks worlds better than the first, especially in the way that you're now clearly allowed to fight in the air without getting instantly fly-swatted.

The stealth seemed simple enough, and story-wise it is completely explained.

The platforming looked better than LoS1's, mostly speeding it up.

The voice acting was no better or worse than LoS1.

The graphics look fine. Environments are detailed and beautiful and the particle effects look appropriately toned down.

I'll be disappointed if this does poorly because of the reviews. As someone who loved Lords of Shadow, this looks way better.

The game only holds your hand when it's the first time Dracula uses a particular power.
It just seems like a lot of hand holding because...there are a lot of powers to get acquainted with in just the first hour.

And since we've already seen via recent gameplay footage how some players just totally suck, it's kind of understandable why the initial use hand holding to show the player how to use a power is appropriate.

Spainkiller did say that the hand-holding ends, and like you say, while we're all pro-gamers here on Castlevania Dungeon, obviously that does not hold true for everyone.

I mean, the beginning explained to this guy in no short terms how to sync-block, and yet he clearly has no idea how to do it.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 19, 2014, 01:53:51 PM

 Another video, this time from IGN abut the bosses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUrmEMLwCFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUrmEMLwCFI)

 I don't have seen it so, I dont know if contain too much spoiler or the number of bosses that appear.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 01:57:39 PM
The family cene had good voice acting.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 19, 2014, 02:21:22 PM

 After seeing the 2 parts of the gameplay videos, I only can say that a nerd and useless reviewer-gamer can fuck a total enjoyable game like this and with his absurd experience, try to make that another games don't enjoy the game (don't buy I mean).

 The gameplay is really fine and fun, I am secure that this guy showing the gameplay will be a great movement for Konami, MS and the sales of the game.

 Pharrell Williams - Happy (Official Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM#ws)
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Post by: Maedhros on February 19, 2014, 02:26:10 PM
For people who don't care about reviews, you guys seems to focused on dissing them every time you can huh?

Why don't you guys just, you know, forget the reviews?

I'm definitely not getting this game on the first day. Garbage bin price for me (steam sales).
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 02:27:52 PM
Yep, that last guy's video cemented my fate, stealth is a non issue and the game seems as fun as LoS1, if anything the only negative I see is the monochrome night palette but I haven't seen the full game hopeufully some variety comes into play later. This looks like the sequel to LoS alright, and I'm excited again.
Also, the guy of the video said in a comment that he's really really liking the game even though he is a hardcore action gamer.

For people who don't care about reviews, you guys seems to focused on dissing them every time you can
I'm definitely not getting this game on the first day. Garbage bin price for me (steam sales).
Will you leave this thread and every LoS2 realted now until you play it?
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Post by: e105beta on February 19, 2014, 02:31:26 PM
Honestly, the worst part of the game is the greek guy down in the bottom right hand corner that talks throughout the whole thing.

I hope MercurySteam took him out for the final version
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Post by: crisis on February 19, 2014, 02:39:46 PM
Quote from: Big The Cat
Honestly, the worst part of the game is the greek guy down in the bottom right hand corner that talks throughout the whole thing.

are you sad to experience gabriels tragedy all this time
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Post by: e105beta on February 19, 2014, 02:41:09 PM
are you sad to experience gabriels tragedy all this time

So very sad
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Post by: Flame on February 19, 2014, 03:38:35 PM

Not for nothin' but it seems like you mention IGA more than anyone else most of the time.
Because I've seen the majority of people who complain about the LoS series, and the majority are people who whine about Konami making LoS and "why can't we just get more metroidvanias"

many people who were either just ok with them or disliked them, were quite a few of LoS1's supporters. Since the game does away with many of the elements that became series staples with IGA, (metroid style open world confined to the castle, pretty boys, gimmick driven gameplay, SoTN multiple weapon gameplay) and returns to more traditional elements, (linear point A to point B level progression, macho "manly" Belmont, location variety- the castle is not the entire game, several classic locations, whip gameplay, which became rare in IGA's games- only 2 of his 7 castlevania games have a main character who is a whip user... This is not counting Judgement- which is a spin off fighting game and not a main series entry.) it becomes more of a classivania in overall structure.

Which, design story and art direction aside, turned off many people, particularly the kind of CV fans who entered the series during IGA's run, and consider metroidvania their favorite CV style.

That's why I say that. I mean, IGA pretty much owns the Metroidvania style. Which is a pretty impressive accomplishment in itself, actually.
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Post by: crisis on February 19, 2014, 03:49:45 PM
i will say this, an original metroidvania in the style of order of Ecclesia with the graphics of MoF would be awesome and just what the 3DS needs

altho i DO miss my beloved hand-drawn sprites
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 19, 2014, 03:52:35 PM
Because I've seen the majority of people who complain about the LoS series, and the majority are people who whine about Konami making LoS and "why can't we just get more metroidvanias"


Lol not true, not trying to pick a fight but I have seen just as many "retro CV fans" display their dislike for CVLOS as well.

Its not all "IGA fans" since many of us also liked the classic series well before IGA had his crack at it.

IGA is the scapegoat around here that people use, IGA was getting shitted on well before LOS even was mentioned, its not as rosy for IGA around this board as some like to point out.

IGA is just used here because he had the series beforehand and when some LOS fans see hate being thrown at the LOS series they immediately go to "you must be a IGA fan" since he was making the kind of CVs that where being put out before LOS, I've seen this on this board as well as others including youtube.

When In all likelyhood it could very well be someone who preferred the classics just as much as the metroidvanias, hence making the whole "IGA retaliation mode" that some LOS fans like to go into mute really.
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Post by: Inccubus on February 19, 2014, 03:59:03 PM
Castlevania being the name of Dracula's castle is some bizarre addition made by the localization team. I guess it's fine that they follow the English versions of the game in this case, but it's already stupid to use it as a name to begin with. Also, why would a Romanian city use a name that's half English, half Romanian?

Actually it would be half English half Latin. It's a silly name either way.
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Post by: theplottwist on February 19, 2014, 04:17:58 PM
Actually it would be half English half Latin. It's a silly name either way.

If the name was simply "Castelvania" (swapping E and L), it'd be a correct romanization (haha, romanization), as "Castelul" is one word for "Castle" in romanian, and it'd form a cute contraction.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 19, 2014, 04:18:14 PM
Lol not true, not trying to pick a fight but I have seen just as many "retro CV fans" display their dislike for CVLOS as well.

Its not all "IGA fans" since many of us also liked the classic series well before IGA had his crack at it.

IGA is the scapegoat around here that people use, IGA was getting shitted on well before LOS even was mentioned, its not as rosy for IGA around this board as some like to point out.

IGA is just used here because he had the series beforehand and when some LOS fans see hate being thrown at the LOS series they immediately go to "you must be a IGA fan" since he was making the kind of CVs that where being put out before LOS, I've seen this on this board as well as others including youtube.

When In all likelyhood it could very well be someone who preferred the classics just as much as the metroidvanias, hence making the whole "IGA retaliation mode" that some LOS fans like to go into mute really.

You must be an IGA fan.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 19, 2014, 04:21:31 PM
You must be an IGA fan.

I like IGA, but I can find and point out flaws in many of his games.

I'm not blind to his failures.

I certainly like him better than Cox and co, mostly because he had more enthusiasm for the CV series.
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Post by: crisis on February 19, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
on teh contrtary! New York City (my hometown) rolls off the tongue just beautifully. "Pennsylvania City," however, does not & just sounds derpy, likewise, Castlevania City. Wygol City wouldve been the best option for loS2, only because they already gave us Wygol Village in the first game, and thousands of years later when los2 takes place, it just became Wygol City. but this just my opinion on the matter, but lets move on..

despite popular belief, Flame is NOT an "IGA-hater." in fact, some of his favorite games have been produced by IGA. Aria of Sorrow is the game that got Flame enthusiased with Castlevania again. fLame believes that at his best, IGA gives us AoS and OoE. at his worst however, we get copypasta like PoR and Harmony of Despair. its kinda like a tough love scenario; je seems like he berates IGA but it comes from a place of love; if he didnt like or hated him then he would just pay all the games produced by him no mind, and troll on anyone that even mentions a metroivania. if IGA made gestures to give Flame a peck on the cheek (or elsewhere), Flame wouldnt automatically say no, cuz he believes such an encounter will make for an intruiging and quirky story to tell us, because he genuinely cares. someone that has hatred for IGA wouldnt do that.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 19, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
I wonder if IGA likes better, cucumbers or pickles?
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Post by: e105beta on February 19, 2014, 04:31:39 PM
fLame believes that at his best, IGA gives us AoS and OoE. at his worst however, we get copypasta like PoR and Harmony of Despair.

I thought PoR was a good game...

Then again, DoS is also my favorite non-SotN Metroidvania  :-X
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Post by: theplottwist on February 19, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
If the name was simply "Castelvania" (swapping E and L), it'd be a correct romanization (haha, romanization), as "Castelul" is one word for "Castle" in romanian, and it'd form a cute contraction.

One thing I should elaborate better on. "Castlevania" probably means "Castle on the woods" or "Castle on the forest", since "sylvania" comes from "Sylvam" which in fact, as Inccubus put forth, is Latin.

Thus, it's safer to say that it means "Castle in the woods" than "Castle in Transylvania".

And then we have this issue with LoS2 city name... "Castle in the woods City" holy cannoli.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 19, 2014, 04:34:21 PM


despite popular belief, Flame is NOT an "IGA-hater."

Might not be directed at me, but I never called him a "IGA-hater".

Although I do find it odd that IGA has to be brought up most of the time when someone has something bad to say about LOS.

I've seen that so much lol.

Like someone will say,

"Lords of Shadow's story really does suck balls!"(which is harsh i know)

But then a LOS fan will swoop in with a,

"But IGA's story is soooo much better right? :rollseyes:"

Its like he has to be brought in at every turn even when people don't even mention the guy when talking about Lords of Shadow.
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Post by: Inccubus on February 19, 2014, 04:48:07 PM
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Post by: Dremn on February 19, 2014, 05:41:05 PM
i will say this, an original metroidvania in the style of order of Ecclesia with the graphics of MoF would be awesome and just what the 3DS needs

altho i DO miss my beloved hand-drawn sprites
Anything to keep 2DVania alive.
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Post by: Zetheraxza on February 19, 2014, 06:38:41 PM
I like MoF combos and Platforming, but I want it in SotN and DS formula. Imagine playing SotN with Comboes with different weapons and hanging off ledges and wall jumping but without the slow pace MoF presented.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 19, 2014, 06:43:39 PM
I though that OoE brings a little combo system, with the two buttons asigned to the weapons (X and Y, I believe). But yes, a 2d CVgame with the cool graphics of MoF would be great... but with the portables´ music, please :)
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 19, 2014, 07:13:08 PM
I like MoF combos and Platforming, but I want it in SotN and DS formula. Imagine playing SotN with Comboes with different weapons and hanging off ledges and wall jumping but without the slow pace MoF presented.
What, you mean the vertical shimmying from ledge to ledge? No thank you.

And combos, I wouldn't mind seeing them in a 2D CV, but the whole "tank enemies" thing has to go. It works in 3D CVs, but that's something that, unless you plan on doing a CV BEU in the vein of Final Fight, Double Dragon, or more fitting, Golden Axe and the Capcom Dungeons & Dragons games, there's no point. Enemies should be like the ones already presented in the Metroidvanias from SotN to OoE, of varying strength and difficulty, depending on how far you go into the game. The enemies in early on(particularly low level enemies) like Zombies and Skeletons should ALWAYS be taken down in a few hits(one or two at most), armors can take more damage, and then you go one with other enemies that are more durable. I actually think, playing the new Strider, it kinda does a good job as far as enemies are concerned. It isn't about pure fighting(no combos, as far as I've seen), but low level grunts can be dispatched with a simple slash, others you need to charge your attack to break their shields, and larger robots take multiple attacks. That type of balance is something you need in CV, IMO. 

Though as far as things I'd love to see return to 2D CVs, REALLY want SCV4's whip swing to make a come back. THAT should be more of a mainstay in this series(2D and 3D). Lots of physics based swinging action would be super awesome!
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Post by: Eärendil on February 19, 2014, 07:58:07 PM
Though as far as things I'd love to see return to 2D CVs, REALLY want SCV4's whip swing to make a come back. THAT should be more of a mainstay in this series(2D and 3D). Lots of physics based swinging action would be super awesome!

Harmony of Dissonance had the whip swinging action, if I'm not mistaken. That was a very underrated game, btw. It was actually my favorite on the GBA. Anyway, I'm not so sure we'll ever see a new 2D or 2.5D platformer released on major console or PC from Konami again. It just seems like the business model is to tap into as much mainstream as possible to get the most revenue. And 3D games are the best way to do that now. Perhaps there will still be future 2D or 2.5D castlevania made for handhelds or tablets/phones. It seems like anything impressively new in the 2D/2.5D platform vein may not even come from Konami, but as unofficial or independent fans creations for download on your PC. I think the next major castlevania release from Konami will be another reboot of the franchise or current generation consoles or PC. I don't believe, as some, that they'll delve back into the LOS version of castlevania again. A new major castlevania release may even revisit the original classic castlevania ala Simon Belmont. I just don't know if it will be anytime soon. Not to be a debbie downer, but I can even see Konami shelving the franchise for 3 to 4 years before even attempting another major game.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 19, 2014, 08:06:27 PM
Well, the hope for a 2D CV game is in a digital copy, right? Like the Rebith one. And with great 2D classics like Ducktales and Strider, there is a light of hope for a 2D game, I think...
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Post by: crisis on February 19, 2014, 08:15:55 PM
actually harmony of dissonance doesnt have the 8-way whipping mechanic like super castlevania iv; Juiced juste had the whip flail technique juste like Richiter had in symphony of night

the 8-way whipping was only revisited in harmony of Despair, with Julian belmont
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Eärendil on February 19, 2014, 08:31:38 PM
Well, the hope for a 2D CV game is in a digital copy, right? Like the Rebith one. And with great 2D classics like Ducktales and Strider, there is a light of hope for a 2D game, I think...

Well, technically, Mirror of Fate HD is that, even if it's just a polished over re-release port of the DS. And that'll also eventually be on PC I suppose. But yeah, Castlevania Rebirth was nice and so was Harmony of Despair, but those aren't considered major console releases are they? I'm referring to major releases such as Symphony of the Night, Lament of Innocence, Curse of Darkness, Judgement (ugh..), Lords of Shadow, etc...

actually harmony of dissonance doesnt have the 8-way whipping mechanic like super castlevania iv; Juiced juste had the whip flail technique juste like Richiter had in symphony of night

the 8-way whipping was only revisited in harmony of Despair, with Julian belmont

Oh yes, the flailing of the whip. Thanks!
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Post by: crisis on February 19, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
yor welcome. Would you like to inherit my Castlevania collection?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 19, 2014, 08:46:43 PM
Well it seems things have taken a turn for the better slightly and I have not spoiled anything for me except the holy DBZ blast that Sh!T was awesome  :D

And I knew that stealth was not that bad or bad enough to destroy the whole game I mean come on! Don't lose the faith and follow you own gut.

You and me gut together forever solving crimes and making up rhymes  ;)
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Post by: Thy Gory Rory on February 19, 2014, 09:03:07 PM
A lot of ups and downs in this thread over the past couple of weeks but LoS2 is looking quite promising. I've always been psyched and recently in anticipation/preparation I've been going back through LoS and clearing all the chapters in Paladin mode. I wish Lords 2 here in the US had an $80 limited collector's edition like last time. Some of the pre-order bonuses are kinda okay but I harken back to the days when you get figurines, soundtracks, art books or even a t-shirt (like last time...)
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Post by: Eärendil on February 19, 2014, 09:03:54 PM
Would you like to inherit my Castlevania collection?

Am I entitled? I mean, sure, I would like to inherit your collection.  :D
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 09:09:46 PM
Hey guys, anyone here from the old LoS1 thread remembers a certain intervew in japanese that was posted ion the (now defunct) LoS1 Japan website where IGA and David Jaffe talked? Or did I dream it?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 19, 2014, 09:16:23 PM
Hey guys, anyone here from the old LoS1 thread remembers a certain intervew in japanese that was posted ion the (now defunct) LoS1 Japan website where IGA and David Jaffe talked? Or did I dream it?

I recall reading that interview in that thread and yes it does exist.

But I'll be damned if im going through that LOS1 thread looking for it.
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Post by: Koutei on February 19, 2014, 09:16:57 PM
Not dead.

http://www.konami.jp/castlevania/jp/official/voices/index.html (http://www.konami.jp/castlevania/jp/official/voices/index.html)
google translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami.jp%2Fcastlevania%2Fjp%2Fofficial%2Fvoices%2Findex.html&act=url)
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 19, 2014, 09:17:59 PM
I LOVE YOU
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Post by: Neobelmont on February 19, 2014, 09:24:56 PM
Not dead.

http://www.konami.jp/castlevania/jp/official/voices/index.html (http://www.konami.jp/castlevania/jp/official/voices/index.html)
google translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami.jp%2Fcastlevania%2Fjp%2Fofficial%2Fvoices%2Findex.html&act=url)


Why the heck is that only in japanese? I bet if this was in english it would shut up almost ever person who says this is a gow rip off why!?


has the volkov fight been put up yet?

Crazy Bosses in Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUrmEMLwCFI#ws)



A lot of ups and downs in this thread over the past couple of weeks but LoS2 is looking quite promising. I've always been psyched and recently in anticipation/preparation I've been going back through LoS and clearing all the chapters in Paladin mode. I wish Lords 2 here in the US had an $80 limited collector's edition like last time. Some of the pre-order bonuses are kinda okay but I harken back to the days when you get figurines, soundtracks, art books or even a t-shirt (like last time...)

Been a while since I've seen you you're the person that made the custom Richter sprite way back when right? How you've been?
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Post by: Munchy on February 19, 2014, 10:16:54 PM
i will say this, an original metroidvania in the style of order of Ecclesia with the graphics of MoF would be awesome and just what the 3DS needs

altho i DO miss my beloved hand-drawn sprites

Ehh... If it had more framerate sure.

And more stuff to jump on/avoid getting crushed by. OoE's extra challenge tower had it so beautifully right compared to the rest of the game.
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Post by: Flame on February 20, 2014, 12:44:32 AM

despite popular belief, Flame is NOT an "IGA-hater." in fact, some of his favorite games have been produced by IGA. Aria of Sorrow is the game that got Flame enthusiased with Castlevania again. fLame believes that at his best, IGA gives us AoS and OoE. at his worst however, we get copypasta like PoR and Harmony of Despair.
I stand by my stance that AoS is IGA's BEST CV game, and the only one of the Metroidvanias to come close to SotN. In my eyes, it's literally SotN 2.

Also, correction: Aria of Sorrow is the game that got me INTO Castlevania in the first place. And real late too. I must have played it perhaps around the time I joined here, maybe a year earlier. It's in my top 3 favorite CV games, the other two being Bloodlines and SotN, in no particular order[of ecclesia]

 
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its kinda like a tough love scenario; je seems like he berates IGA but it comes from a place of love; if he didnt like or hated him then he would just pay all the games produced by him no mind, and troll on anyone that even mentions a metroivania. if IGA made gestures to give Flame a peck on the cheek (or elsewhere), Flame wouldnt automatically say no, cuz he believes such an encounter will make for an intruiging and quirky story to tell us, because he genuinely cares. someone that has hatred for IGA wouldnt do that.
I appreciate IGA. i wouldn't say i LOVE him, but I can appreciate his role in the franchise. I just feel like he was deeply flawed in his game creation process, and that while sometimes it managed to work, when it DIDN'T work, it was glaring and stood out.

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Although I do find it odd that IGA has to be brought up most of the time when someone has something bad to say about LOS.
You said it yourself. He was previously in charge of the series.

But it goes a bit deeper considering he was in charge of it for so long. as Dave Cox calls it, he was "Mr. Castlevania" for years. So obviously, when relating to anything that came out between SoTN and LoS, he is ultimately responsible. Not many franchises have a single person in control and actively pushing forward their specific vision for so long.

Not even Mega Man, despite Inafune being involved since day 1.

The reason I bring him up, is therefore because if I talk about metroidvanias, I'm talking about IGA.

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ol not true, not trying to pick a fight but I have seen just as many "retro CV fans" display their dislike for CVLOS as well.
The Metroidvania fans seem to be the most vocal then, because the most common argument I hear is about LoS vs metroidvanias. It drives me nuts.

By the way DarkPrinceAlucard, do you have a larger version of your avatar?

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Post by: Maedhros on February 20, 2014, 02:56:17 AM
  I appreciate IGA. i wouldn't say i LOVE him, but I can appreciate his role in the franchise. I just feel like he was deeply flawed in his game creation process, and that while sometimes it managed to work, when it DIDN'T work, it was glaring and stood out.


That happens in LoS too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 20, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
Well, Thief just leaked and it comes out the same day as LoS, leaks are coming and unwanted spoilers too. Anytime now. Please be careful.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 20, 2014, 09:07:27 AM
I hope everything leaks this weekend somehow, I'm officially out of patience.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 20, 2014, 09:15:01 AM
I hope everything leaks this weekend somehow, I'm officially out of patience.
It most probably will. I hope the spoilers don't spread out.
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Post by: Inccubus on February 20, 2014, 09:25:46 AM

Why the heck is that only in japanese? I bet if this was in english it would shut up almost ever person who says this is a gow rip off why!?

That'll never happen. Because regardless of the inspiration for GoW, LoS1 in practice feels closer to GoW than it does to any of the previous 3D CV games to a lot of people.
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Post by: crisis on February 20, 2014, 09:27:34 AM
where is the Devil Mask
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 20, 2014, 09:36:27 AM
where is the Devil Mask
That's probably how Zobek transforms.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 20, 2014, 10:46:22 AM
That Gorgon fight Looks awesome. She can spit fireballs that will burn an area on the ground so that it will be inaccessible for quite som time. She uses her tentacles and also her fists though I wonder if there will be other attacks like a flame breathe, bites or even Medusa heads.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 20, 2014, 12:11:16 PM
 DRACULA'S TOMB UNBOXING !!!! Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2: Dracula's Tomb Unboxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsvAPBmPo0#ws)

 What she said about the artbook? (I dont understand too well the speak english)

 Those figurines still looks bad for me, but I like the desing of the steelbook.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 20, 2014, 12:21:14 PM
Wow. Draculas tomb sucks
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 20, 2014, 12:34:59 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2: Dracula's Tomb Unboxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsvAPBmPo0#ws)

for those that are too lazy to click the link lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 20, 2014, 12:37:41 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2: Dracula's Tomb Unboxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsvAPBmPo0#ws)

for those that are too lazy to click the link lol

 How can I put a video??

 PD: someone that can tell me what she said about the artbook??? Thanks.
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Post by: e105beta on February 20, 2014, 12:39:52 PM
How can I put a video??

 PD: someone that can tell me what she said about the artbook??? Thanks.

The artbook only focuses on Lords of Shadow 2, was designed by a British comic book publisher, and can only be obtained in the tomb edition
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 20, 2014, 12:50:17 PM
The artbook only focuses on Lords of Shadow 2, was designed by a British comic book publisher, and can only be obtained in the tomb edition

 What? only in the tomb edition? no the same of the "Entry level" edition? FUCK.
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Post by: e105beta on February 20, 2014, 12:51:13 PM
What? only in the tomb edition? no the same of the "Entry level" edition? FUCK.

They have to make it worth somebody's while.

Namely mine.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 20, 2014, 12:58:40 PM
So I've been thinking of going on a completionist playthrough of Lords of Shadow to kill time until LoS2 comes out. Does anyone know the average time it would take to attain 110% (DLCs included)? I was hoping to get that finished before the sequel's release.

And yes, "Dracula's Tomb" looks woefully underwhelming.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 20, 2014, 01:03:49 PM
The game has arrived to stores. Brace yourselves.
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Post by: crisis on February 20, 2014, 01:08:45 PM
lol ahasverus treating it like the second coming of Christ, everything will be ok dude (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsideshowcollectors.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Flol.gif&hash=3e7e349be079cec02affb1537638d210)

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So I've been thinking of going on a completionist playthrough of Lords of Shadow to kill time until LoS2 comes out. Does anyone know the average time it would take to attain 110% (DLCs included)? I was hoping to get that finished before the sequel's release.

heres wat you do:

- stock up on 2 liter mountain dew and/or any high-sugar energy drink
- dont forget Hostess has brought back twinkies so yuo dont have to worry about losing weight
- shut your cellphone off all day saturday evening, as it'll take you all throughout the night until early sunday morning to finish
- have a clean set of underwear & socks, just in case
- keep your laptop charged and preferabbly have youtube open in you're browser, in case you get stuck at some point you can just look it up easily
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Post by: Intersection on February 20, 2014, 01:20:30 PM
The game has arrived to stores. Brace yourselves.
It's as the saying goes: the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.

heres wat you do:

- stock up on 2 liter mountain dew and/or any high-sugar energy drink
- dont forget Hostess has brought back twinkies so yuo dont have to worry about losing weight
- shut your cellphone off all day saturday evening, as it'll take you all throughout the night until early sunday morning to finish
- have a clean set of underwear & socks, just in case
- keep your laptop charged and preferabbly have youtube open in you're browser, in case you get stuck at some point you can just look it up easily

That sounds brutal.
I had intended to split up the playthrough over a few days -- there's a reason why the game's broken up into chapters. I was only looking to probe the relative difficulty of the trials.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 20, 2014, 01:35:47 PM


By the way DarkPrinceAlucard, do you have a larger version of your avatar?

yea from here
http://satoakiamatatsu.deviantart.com/art/ALUCARD-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-416618747 (http://satoakiamatatsu.deviantart.com/art/ALUCARD-Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-2-416618747)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 20, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
So I've been thinking of going on a completionist playthrough of Lords of Shadow to kill time until LoS2 comes out. Does anyone know the average time it would take to attain 110% (DLCs included)? I was hoping to get that finished before the sequel's release.

And yes, "Dracula's Tomb" looks woefully underwhelming.
If you did it before and remeber Gems and Scrolls location and the best way to beat the trials i think it will be like 8 or 10 hours, but if you don`t it will be like 22 hours of game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: theplottwist on February 20, 2014, 02:15:57 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2: Dracula's Tomb Unboxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsvAPBmPo0#ws)

for those that are too lazy to click the link lol

Woah, what a terrible collector's edition!

And... What the heck is that with the monster hands?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 20, 2014, 02:21:24 PM
If you go to the portfolio pages of Merrcury's illustrations you'll find awesome pics and design. for example, this one http://javieralcalde.carbonmade.com/projects/4708022 (http://javieralcalde.carbonmade.com/projects/4708022) has a new Simon one and.. Female Trevor? Perhaps trevor was supposed to be a woman? And I found one with the very first "barbarian" Gabriel design http://s.cghub.com/files/Image/028001-029000/28946/805_large.jpg (http://s.cghub.com/files/Image/028001-029000/28946/805_large.jpg). Pretty cool!

This one has lots of unseen images, Sypha Belmont! http://danieljimenez.cghub.com/images/ (http://danieljimenez.cghub.com/images/)
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 20, 2014, 02:33:56 PM
If you go to the portfolio pages of Merrcury's illustrations you'll find awesome pics and design. for example, this one http://javieralcalde.carbonmade.com/projects/4708022 (http://javieralcalde.carbonmade.com/projects/4708022) has a new Simon one and.. Female Trevor? Perhaps trevor was supposed to be a woman? And I found one with the very first "barbarian" Gabriel design http://s.cghub.com/files/Image/028001-029000/28946/805_large.jpg (http://s.cghub.com/files/Image/028001-029000/28946/805_large.jpg). Pretty cool!

This one has lots of unseen images, Sypha Belmont! http://danieljimenez.cghub.com/images/ (http://danieljimenez.cghub.com/images/)

 No no, the barbarian desing isn't Gabriel, he is Tukaram, a playable character of "Blade the Edge of Darkness", the most stunning game of the old Enric Alvarez's studio. Oscar Araujo make the music for this game too, and the art-designers are the same too. So guys, if I were you, I would install this game right now !!
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Post by: crisis on February 20, 2014, 02:48:33 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.cmcdn.net%2F20133565%2F780x390.jpeg&hash=4e679825234d9c597aee7bf186113541)

reminders me of [Order of Ecclesia]
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 20, 2014, 02:57:52 PM
Oh ok. He looks like Gabriel :P
I finally found a hi-res image of those bestiary books. Yay. Zobek's drawing FTW.
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Post by: KaZudra on February 20, 2014, 03:31:49 PM
So I've been thinking of going on a completionist playthrough of Lords of Shadow to kill time until LoS2 comes out. Does anyone know the average time it would take to attain 110% (DLCs included)? I was hoping to get that finished before the sequel's release.

And yes, "Dracula's Tomb" looks woefully underwhelming.

from start to finish, knowing what you are doing... 36 hours max
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Post by: thernz on February 20, 2014, 03:38:33 PM
blade of darkness is good
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 20, 2014, 04:02:25 PM
No no, the barbarian desing isn't Gabriel, he is Tukaram, a playable character of "Blade the Edge of Darkness", the most stunning game of the old Enric Alvarez's studio. Oscar Araujo make the music for this game too, and the art-designers are the same too. So guys, if I were you, I would install this game right now !!

I looked it up from the looks of it this was one of their early works with codemasters. I do not recall codemaster being a good company at all.
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Post by: thernz on February 20, 2014, 04:57:50 PM
they were the publishers, tho

while that does have considerable influence on a project because they're behind deadlines and etc, it's not really fair to grade a game on that

prob better to judge based on the developer
but i guess on rebel act's case, blade of darkness is their only game lol
and mercurysteam only really hit success with lords
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DoctaMario on February 20, 2014, 05:28:36 PM
So I've been thinking of going on a completionist playthrough of Lords of Shadow to kill time until LoS2 comes out. Does anyone know the average time it would take to attain 110% (DLCs included)? I was hoping to get that finished before the sequel's release.

And yes, "Dracula's Tomb" looks woefully underwhelming.

How much of it do you have done already? Going straight to Paladin mode cuts off a lot of time because it automatically counts as having beaten all the lower difficulties. Some of the Trials are maddening though. Most of them are average difficulty but there are a few that drove me absolutely ballistic. xD Still, if you've been through the game already and gotten most of the gems, and played a good bit throughout the weekend, I could see you having it done by LoS2 time.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 20, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
they were the publishers, tho

while that does have considerable influence on a project because they're behind deadlines and etc, it's not really fair to grade a game on that

prob better to judge based on the developer
but i guess on rebel act's case, blade of darkness is their only game lol
and mercurysteam only really hit success with lords

 The development of Blade of darkness was really unexpected by many motives. I only can said that Revel Act (Mercury Steam) and Codemaster don't finish their relationship with kisses and flowers...
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Post by: Flame on February 20, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
The image of the succubus with her female harem vaguely reminds me of Frank Frazetta's work for some reason.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on February 20, 2014, 08:37:25 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2: Dracula's Tomb Unboxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsvAPBmPo0#ws)

for those that are too lazy to click the link lol

They really like making it big, not even close to ACIV anyway. I like the tomb, but the figures an lack of OST makes me cry.
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Post by: MKKhanzo on February 20, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
On topic, or maybe off topic:

I was watching Underworld (first one) and was surprised to see how EQUAL weakened Gabula looks like Viktor when he was just awakened and then when he put his purple robe in, then the city and its colors, wow they seriously got inspired by it.

 I have never liked the LoS saga, but this Underworld marathon Im getting is putting me in a "state" of not being so "hater" against the city setting that will have LoS2.

 
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Post by: Nagumo on February 21, 2014, 02:25:26 AM
I found a video that showed the cinematic right after the Paladin fight. It's a recap of the previous two games. It also finally explains somewhat why Gabula hates humans.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Introduction PS3 HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OguUoYoP3yo#ws)
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 21, 2014, 04:00:02 AM
The illustrations are beautiful.
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Post by: Dremn on February 21, 2014, 05:00:34 AM
That intro was amazing, beautiful illustrations. It's funny it didn't even mention Satan, I forgot he was even part of the lore. WHY COULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT?

Now I just want ClassicVanias in the LoSverse even more. ;___;
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 21, 2014, 06:02:17 AM

Now I just want ClassicVanias in the LoSverse even more. ;___;

 I understand you ;___; , more redesings please, they are so pretty and huggable.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 21, 2014, 06:50:46 AM
I suppose the game was Leaked for ps3?
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Post by: Kamirine on February 21, 2014, 07:43:57 AM
That intro was amazing, beautiful illustrations. It's funny it didn't even mention Satan, I forgot he was even part of the lore. WHY COULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT?

Now I just want ClassicVanias in the LoSverse even more. ;___;

Have to agree here. One of the things I dislike about LoS is Satan even being involved at all.  Heck, I dislike/love Zobak so much more as the villain in this.  I constantly want to face punch him and he's so manipulative.  He's the one person I want Gabe to actually get some kind of revenge on.
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Post by: e105beta on February 21, 2014, 08:29:28 AM
Have to agree here. One of the things I dislike about LoS is Satan even being involved at all.  Heck, I dislike/love Zobak so much more as the villain in this.  I constantly want to face punch him and he's so manipulative.  He's the one person I want Gabe to actually get some kind of revenge on.

The way I see it, Zobek is the real villain. It's his quest for power that fuels the whole story. While Satan may have come up with Zobek's plan to unite the God Mask, Satan wouldn't have had anyone to execute it without Zobek.

Satan, on the other hand, is the vehicle. It's his power that serves as a threat to move the story along, because honestly, who serves as a threat to Death and Dracula other than Satan? At the same time, while he has the power, he's not the one who holds all the cards. He didn't possess the Devil Mask, he doesn't have the Vampire Killer, he isn't using Dracula's power to achieve his own aims.

So yeah, while Satan is the final boss, I don't think he's the real villain. He's more the "threat".
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 21, 2014, 08:30:47 AM
It's official, the game has leaked.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F71%2F71389492c6324070fe4c2adbcc592a1db8a0ffd51d5abd7ab7c679084eadfac6.jpg&hash=e874f870bf72f8d007b6f806ad85f822)

I'm out.
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Post by: Dremn on February 21, 2014, 08:42:06 AM
It's official, the game has leaked.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F71%2F71389492c6324070fe4c2adbcc592a1db8a0ffd51d5abd7ab7c679084eadfac6.jpg&hash=e874f870bf72f8d007b6f806ad85f822)

I'm out.
Finally, time to close the book on this trilogy.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 21, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
Finally, time to close the book on this trilogy.

Heh, "Trilogy".
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 21, 2014, 09:14:00 AM
Why, where did the game leak? Just because an official YouTube site (no private youtuber) uploaded the intro?

Or was the whole game leaked somewhere on another site like twitch (or an ongoing playthrough)?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 21, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Why, where did the game leak? Just because an official YouTube site (no private youtuber) uploaded the intro?

Or was the whole game leaked somewhere on another site like twitch (or an ongoing playthrough)?
How sweet and innocent you are.
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: e105beta on February 21, 2014, 09:26:47 AM
How sweet and innocent you are.
(click to show/hide)

That means it's...playable?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 21, 2014, 09:51:35 AM
That means it's...playable?
What do you think?
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Post by: e105beta on February 21, 2014, 09:58:07 AM
What do you think?

Hehehe...

Nah, I think I'll just wait to play it on my PS3
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Post by: Dremn on February 21, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
Heh, "Trilogy".
DAMMIT KONAMI DON'T MILK THIS SHIT

BRING BACK 2DVANIA
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Post by: e105beta on February 21, 2014, 10:20:22 AM
DAMMIT KONAMI DON'T MILK THIS SHIT

BRING BACK 2DVANIA

I would bet you good money that the next game will be a 2D Castlevania made by Japanese developers set in the LoS universe.
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Post by: Nagumo on February 21, 2014, 10:25:20 AM
a 2D Castlevania made by Japanese developers 

set in the LoS universe.

So many conflicting feelings.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 21, 2014, 10:31:39 AM
No more Japanese Castlevania. PLEASE!!!!
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Post by: beingthehero on February 21, 2014, 10:46:44 AM
Yeah those 23 years of just Japanese Castlevanias was rough, but we soldiered through it all the same.
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Post by: Dremn on February 21, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
I would bet you good money that the next game will be a 2D Castlevania made by Japanese developers set in the LoS universe.
As long as I get candle whipping and all that other good stuff LoS just didn't have.

Can we get Michiru Yamane back for the music please? :[
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Post by: LoneChild on February 21, 2014, 11:03:20 AM
Yeah those 23 years of just Japanese Castlevanias was rough, but we soldiered through it all the same.

LOL, logged in just to give you a + for that.

Hi everyone, by the way :)  I´m on my way to the shadows again.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 21, 2014, 11:12:22 AM
DAMMIT KONAMI DON'T MILK THIS SHIT

BRING BACK 2DVANIA
They will bring back 2D vania.. in the LoS universe. Michiru and all, hopefully.
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Post by: e105beta on February 21, 2014, 11:14:53 AM
They will bring back 2D vania.. in the LoS universe. Michiru and all, hopefully.

I would really hope it wouldn't just be another Team IGA game, just in the LoS universe.

What ever happened to the "It doesn't have to be IGA, I just want something not Lords of Shadow new!" I was seeing a couple weeks ago.

Lies. Lies and deceit I tell you.
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Post by: Dremn on February 21, 2014, 11:18:59 AM
I would really hope it wouldn't just be another Team IGA game, just in the LoS universe.

What ever happened to the "It doesn't have to be IGA, I just want something not Lords of Shadow new!" I was seeing a couple weeks ago.

Lies. Lies and deceit I tell you.
I wouldn't be against a new universe either.

If it were up to me I would be making the 1999 game, Belmont's Revenge Rebirth and bringing Sonia back into the canon with her own 2DVania.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 21, 2014, 11:30:09 AM
Meh why do we have to talk about IGA and the future of CV in this thread? It could be ist own seperate thread. Id rather prefer to see People talking about LoS 2. So any streams yet? Like on twitch tv etc.
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Post by: Dremn on February 21, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
Meh why do we have to talk about IGA and the future of CV in this thread? It could be ist own seperate thread. Id rather prefer to see People talking about LoS 2. So any streams yet? Like on twitch tv etc.
You're right, my bad.

Start posting streamlinks if you guys find them.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 21, 2014, 11:39:34 AM
You're right, my bad.

Start posting streamlinks if you guys find them.

Ask an you shall receive.

http://www.twitch.tv/gramers (http://www.twitch.tv/gramers)
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Post by: jigru0511 on February 21, 2014, 11:43:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f2zLgZ3VMs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f2zLgZ3VMs) new gameplay i think
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 21, 2014, 11:56:14 AM
Ask an you shall receive.

http://www.twitch.tv/gramers (http://www.twitch.tv/gramers)
That's not the final game. It's the same PC preview the greek guy played.
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Post by: KaZudra on February 21, 2014, 12:09:39 PM
You can Pre-load LoS2 on steam, 4 days until release.
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Post by: Intersection on February 21, 2014, 12:28:01 PM
Well, then. Either every single preview we've seen so far was hosted by wildly incompetent gamers, or there's something wrong with LoS2's platforming (those swinging chandeliers in particular). To be honest, it's probably a bit of both.
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Post by: Flame on February 21, 2014, 12:32:32 PM
You can Pre-load LoS2 on steam, 4 days until release.
how does that work?

also, having gotten the game from Greenman gaming i gotta wait for my code
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 21, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
 So, there are a pirate version of the game for PC, ps3 and xbox?? Today seems impossible stand your game "virgin" until the launch day. So sad...

 
The way I see it, Zobek is the real villain. It's his quest for power that fuels the whole story. While Satan may have come up with Zobek's plan to unite the God Mask, Satan wouldn't have had anyone to execute it without Zobek.

Satan, on the other hand, is the vehicle. It's his power that serves as a threat to move the story along, because honestly, who serves as a threat to Death and Dracula other than Satan? At the same time, while he has the power, he's not the one who holds all the cards. He didn't possess the Devil Mask, he doesn't have the Vampire Killer, he isn't using Dracula's power to achieve his own aims.

So yeah, while Satan is the final boss, I don't think he's the real villain. He's more the "threat".

 Yeah, seems that Zobek is the engine and Satan just the gear. I really love Zobek character, his role, the aspect, his voice, so manipulating... (just love).
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Post by: johncraze on February 21, 2014, 12:57:42 PM
Did the pc version really leak?
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 21, 2014, 01:38:12 PM

 New review.... nanana, time to jerk off ...........the score is ¡9,3! http://www.gry-online.pl/S016.asp?ID=19269 (http://www.gry-online.pl/S016.asp?ID=19269)
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Post by: Asgardwolf on February 21, 2014, 02:04:37 PM
Any link to the pc game torrent?
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 21, 2014, 02:08:37 PM
Any link to the pc game torrent?

 The piracy is apply the full weight of the law... ???
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Post by: kaiwai on February 21, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
Sorry guys, this was maybe already posted, but here are the first 2 french reviews:

(click to show/hide)

 ;)
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Post by: e105beta on February 21, 2014, 02:23:53 PM
Well, then. Either every single preview we've seen so far was hosted by wildly incompetent gamers, or there's something wrong with LoS2's platforming (those swinging chandeliers in particular). To be honest, it's probably a bit of both.

I'd say more the former rather than the latter, and not just to be obnoxious.

Two words: sync block.

Sorry guys, this was maybe already posted, but here are the first 2 french reviews:

85 ain't bad. 85 ain't bad at all
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Post by: Asgardwolf on February 21, 2014, 02:52:27 PM
The piracy is apply the full weight of the law... ???
Not in my country... I bought the PS3 version anyway... Just can`t wait 4 more days...
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Post by: Kingshango on February 21, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
Not in my country... I bought the PS3 version anyway... Just can`t wait 4 more days...

We've waited two years for this, four days should be nothing.

And Enric I know you're here, none of us will pirate the game ok. ;)
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Post by: KaZudra on February 21, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
how does that work?

also, having gotten the game from Greenman gaming i gotta wait for my code

I got mine directly through steam ironically the day before that Code,
Steam usually lets bigger titles to be pre-downloaded (have to wait for unlock though) for less strain on the servers.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 21, 2014, 03:05:24 PM
I couldn't play the leaked pirated version even if a wanted to, my PC is crap at running games and I don't have a modded PS3 or Xbox 360.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 21, 2014, 03:27:41 PM
That's not the final game. It's the same PC preview the greek guy played.

The same gameplay of the "B Preview" at YouTube? I though that he was playing in his Xbox 360, for the buttons displayed. Am I wrong?

P.D. That greek guy scares me, in moments...
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 21, 2014, 03:35:08 PM
The same gameplay of the "B Preview" at YouTube? I though that he was playing in his Xbox 360, for the buttons displayed. Am I wrong?

P.D. That greek guy scares me, in moments...

 It's the 3ª part of his gamplay (of "B preview"). And not, its pc, but the button in the screens appears like xbox (dont know if will happen the same if you play with a ps3 control in pc or will happear the ps3 buttons in screen)
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Post by: crisis on February 21, 2014, 03:49:48 PM
Quote
We've waited two years for this, four days should be nothing.

b-but u already watched all the gameplayvideos and boss fights and all the easter eggs and details and know the entire plot from beginning to end
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Post by: Inccubus on February 21, 2014, 05:55:08 PM
We've waited two years for this, four days should be nothing.

And Enric I know you're here, none of us will pirate the game ok. ;)

Speak for yourself. I'll pirate that shit just on principle. :P
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 21, 2014, 05:58:48 PM
wtf don't pirate the game! the series needs the sales. better try to get it early. I payed a visit to my local store and guess what the will sell it on sunday. guess who will be the frist in line at 9am?
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Post by: crisis on February 21, 2014, 06:04:12 PM
i remember los1 midnight launch, i was at gamestop and i was the only one on line that was getting castlevania. everyone else was getting NBA2k10 lol
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Post by: Maedhros on February 21, 2014, 06:07:53 PM
Sigh...

Bought...
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Post by: Flame on February 21, 2014, 06:36:37 PM
Speak for yourself. I'll pirate that shit just on principle. :P
What principle? Wanting the franchise to die?
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Post by: Asgardwolf on February 21, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
wtf don't pirate the game! the series needs the sales. better try to get it early. I payed a visit to my local store and guess what the will sell it on sunday. guess who will be the frist in line at 9am?
And i bought the game too... but if i can try the game earlier much better...
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Post by: Kingshango on February 21, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
Speak for yourself. I'll pirate that shit just on principle. :P

Joking or not, this is one of the reason's that the series is at this point in the first place.
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Post by: crisis on February 21, 2014, 07:21:47 PM
Quote
Sigh...

Bought...

u wont regret it dude. cuz at the end of the day, despite the controversial plot & music we debate about over n over, its still gonna be a good video game and its job is to entertain us, bring temporary happiness to our lives in this fucked up world we live in

too often we forget how lucky we all are to even type on laptops, own big screen TVs, have money to buy the stuff we want. all luxuries that are denied to millions
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Post by: Kingshango on February 21, 2014, 08:09:49 PM
There are walkthroughs on Youtube already as well as on Twitch.

Fun fact: Turns out you can sprint in this game like you could with the cyclone boots from LOS1, which is brand new to me. (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fohhh.png&hash=ae408981a5bde06c27d33c1612424533)
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Post by: Flame on February 21, 2014, 08:55:30 PM
makes sense, I mean, he kept the relics I presume.

I dont remember, can he double jump? he might have ditched the Seraph Shoulders. Carmilla fucked them up already through "misuse", making them unable to sustain full flight anymore, so i suppose the same would go for him.
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Post by: KaZudra on February 22, 2014, 12:13:36 AM
i remember los1 midnight launch, i was at gamestop and i was the only one on line that was getting castlevania. everyone else was getting NBA2k10 lol
I remember that shit too, it was worth it tho, that Shirt was too cool to pass up.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 22, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
So guys I've heard something from a very close source.


Agreus. It's bullshit. Like real bullshit. It seems that you are put not in a maze but in a corridor with square things surroinded by leaves, there are two bells to attract his Attention, but both are unuseful after the third box. The thing is that Agreus can "smell you" and he stays around the box you are giving you very little time to run, and the miraclous mist mode? It lasts 5 seconds and in this part pf the game you can only for some reason use it when fully charged. Yeah, it's bullshit.
My source says that the game is miles better than 1... Until that part.
Now I'm kinda happy and sad.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 22, 2014, 12:21:45 AM
Enric, pal, I know you're here. Patch Agreus, I BEG you, everyone, every single person has called bullshit on it, it's not about using the brain, it's about his ai patterns and level design which leads more to failure. Please Enric. It seems to be the only glaring abyss on a well constructed piece of art.
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Post by: e105beta on February 22, 2014, 12:29:35 AM
That's disappointing to hear, and I highly doubt it's going to get patched. Who knows, though.

Guess it'll be "that one part".
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 22, 2014, 12:48:01 AM
That's sad.
I just hope people who play the game won't be deterred by that one part.
Although I'm sure some would ditch the game at that point.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 22, 2014, 12:58:52 AM
That's sad.
I just hope people who play the game won't be deterred by that one part.
Although I'm sure some would ditch the game at that point.
If people are stupid enough to buy a game and stop playing it because a part is hard or bad designed, it's really sad for them... Can't wait to see what those people would do with real life.  :rollseyes:
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 22, 2014, 01:00:47 AM
So guys I've heard something from a very close source.


Agreus. It's bullshit. Like real bullshit. It seems that you are put not in a maze but in a corridor with square things surroinded by leaves, there are two bells to attract his Attention, but both are unuseful after the third box. The thing is that Agreus can "smell you" and he stays around the box you are giving you very little time to run, and the miraclous mist mode? It lasts 5 seconds and in this part pf the game you can only for some reason use it when fully charged. Yeah, it's bullshit.
My source says that the game is miles better than 1... Until that part.
Now I'm kinda happy and sad.

That sounds.....fantastic

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi61.tinypic.com%2F2q220c2.gif&hash=9975339d8bac0be61ce30e260abe0df1)


If people are stupid enough to buy a game and stop playing it because a part is hard or bad designed, it's really sad for them... Can't wait to see what those people would do with real life.  :rollseyes:

Let me get this straight, your comparing someone quiting a fictional videogame because it is to hard to someone quiting something in real life because it is to hard? :-\
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Post by: Bergaron on February 22, 2014, 01:17:15 AM
obviously that will have patches, like all games of the last years. It will correct some things (Agreus has a trick) and new content will be added.

Someone was remembered as Gran Tourismo 5 to start and end? as Skyrim was the beginning and the end?. Many patches passed.

Judge all games or just not to judge anyone.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 01:31:30 AM
Hey guys: Does anyone have any Infos on that second acolyte Boss? The dude with the lightning and the bold head. Do you fight him in a normal human form or does he transform or even control a giant mech?

Does anyone know if there are other Titan bosses?

And also does Dracula's doppelganger transform into a Dragon that you Need to fight? Could someone ask These questions to a source that has knowledge of These things or maybe know it themselves already?
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 22, 2014, 01:52:22 AM
I found a way to extract the music from the demo's archive but not to re-import it inside the archive. By changing the music files, it'd be possible to mod the music, and add classic tunes. If someone finds a way to reimport the music inside the Music.packed file, I'll make a custom CV music mod for LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 02:49:54 AM
Man I turned of that one stream now during the Carmilla fight. Didn't want all of it spoiled to me. What I saw looked pretty good though. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on February 22, 2014, 03:40:10 AM
If people are stupid enough to buy a game and stop playing it because a part is hard or bad designed, it's really sad for them... Can't wait to see what those people would do with real life.  :rollseyes:
Just because people hate bullshit in their game that would be otherwise decent without it doesn't mean they're suicidal losers. What the hell, Chern?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 22, 2014, 04:34:45 AM
If people are stupid enough to buy a game and stop playing it because a part is hard or bad designed, it's really sad for them... Can't wait to see what those people would do with real life.  :rollseyes:

 Yeah, the same that happend whit the first colossus in LoS1, many people stop to playing... My borther was one of them (foolish).

  A unboxing of the tomb's edition with more details:

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2: Dracula's Tomb Premium Edition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xax9JfAZr4#ws)

 The figurines are make with plastic... MEH

 Zobek, your figurine is still more bad than you. You don't deserve this man, you no!!!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 05:36:30 AM
Well im watching the Agreus part right now.

Ahasversus source is right, he's no fucking joke, he has the hearing of an Oblivion guard. Step on the leaves for even three seconds and he'll find you and send you back to the beginning. To avoid the leaves you have to hop around stone ledges and quickly turn into mist. There are bells around that you have to hit with a knife to distract him from you're current position. However, even if you're far away and on the leaves too long, he'll come running at top speed towards you're location and send you back to the start.

On the bright side, that segment is short but man does it look aggravating to the impatient, I can really see a lot of people rage quitting at this point.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: soma555 on February 22, 2014, 05:46:55 AM
Finally

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 22, 2014, 05:47:32 AM
Well im watching the Agreus part right now.

Ahasversus source is right, he's no fucking joke, he has the hearing of an Oblivion guard. Step on the leaves for even three seconds and he'll find you and send you back to the beginning. To avoid the leaves you have to hop around stone ledges and quickly turn into mist. There are bells around that you have to hit with a knife to distract him from you're current position. However, even if you're far away and on the leaves too long, he'll come running at top speed towards you're location and send you back to the start.

On the bright side, that segment is short but man does it look aggravating to the impatient, I can really see a lot of people rage quitting at this point.

 Yeah, this guy has have to repeat this part many times. Don't know if will be a "trick" to  complete this part.

 At least, Agreus will be the first to punish all the pirates who get the leaked version. AGREUS IS THE PUNISHER OF LoS2 MOTHA FUCKERS !!! xDDDDDDD
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 06:08:14 AM
What a timely coincidence. Hello everyone. I have the game (not pirate, early copy) and have played it 9:30 straight hours... until the Agreus part  (that son of a bitch). Ask me everything.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 22, 2014, 06:17:46 AM
Seems like shitty design. Not surprising.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 22, 2014, 06:18:12 AM
I've been watching a walkthrough of the game, and apperently Dracula's castle exists in some kind of different dimension. Since travel between Dracula's castle and the present seems possible, could that perhaps mean that...

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: somasworld on February 22, 2014, 06:22:52 AM
GREAT REVIEWS FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Pelaaja(Finnish magazine): 9/10

Gamereactor(Swedish mag): 8/10

baziwood 95 / 100

vidoe-games aktuell 81/100

video-gamer (french magazin) 17/20

maniac 85 / 100

gameininformer 6 /10

edge 4/ 10

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
THE hype grows
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Lilgigs on February 22, 2014, 06:27:46 AM
Seems like shitty design. Not surprising.

Not surprising you are complaining. It is non stop on GAF and here. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is fairly simple. But you already bought it like we all knew you would.

You are basically the same as Rugal at this point.
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How about before certain people ask for a patch you wait until it is released and everyone gets to try it. Also, who cares if it is hard whether by good or bad design, it is their game, they designed it how they want.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 06:32:23 AM
Seems like shitty design. Not surprising.
Actually this is the best designed game I've played recently and I work for a games magazine. The exploration is FUN, I've wasted hours just going around the castle. The controls are simple and the level design is really good. I only have two complaints so far

- The second stealth section. It's hard.
- Fucking Agreus

Stealth is, honestly, overrated. No stealth section lasts more than 5 minutes. Actually there are shorter. Also, it's a lie that there is no escape from them if spotted, you only have to return to a shadow portal (rat portal) and the enemies will lose you.

It's been a great, GREAT game so far, it's like an Assasskns Creed 1/2 leap. The game is also more similar to Symphony of the Night that you think.  That was really downplayed in marketing.

However, Agreus just frustrated me. I wasted 2 hours, mist and everything, nothing.  What a shame. because the lead up to it was great and visually appealing. It just stopped me from my marathoon. I'll try again later, though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: kaiwai on February 22, 2014, 06:41:29 AM

gameininformer 6 /10

Sorry, but, do we actually have a proof that Game Informer gave a 6/10 to LoS2 ?
Because I can't find their review on internet !!  :-X :-X :-X

PS: sorry, I guess it's in their magazine ?!  :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: somasworld on February 22, 2014, 06:45:53 AM
you dont need to read the gameinformer review...look to the other great real reviews....there u can see that this game is really good...

Pelaaja(Finnish magazine): 9/10

Gamereactor(Swedish mag): 8/10

baziwood 95 / 100

vidoe-games aktuell 81/100

video-gamer (french magazin) 17/20

maniac 85 / 100

gameininformer 6 /10

edge 4/ 10
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 22, 2014, 06:46:25 AM
Not surprising you are complaining. It is non stop on GAF and here. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is fairly simple. But you already bought it like we all knew you would.

You are basically the same as Rugal at this point.
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How about before certain people ask for a patch you wait until it is released and everyone gets to try it. Also, who cares if it is hard whether by good or bad design, it is their game, they designed it how they want.

What's wrong with a legit complaint? In fact, every complain I have with this game is a legit bullshit design from the part of the developer. So now we can't say that the game has bad parts then?

The bolded part... this is a fucking ridiculous post. Not everyone will simply suck MS cock because they wanted to put it that way so no one can complain.

Actually this is the best designed game I've played recently and I work for a games magazine. The exploration is FUN, I've wasted hours just going around the castle. The controls are simple and the level design is really good. I only have two complaints so far

- The second stealth section. It's hard.
- Fucking Agreus

Stealth is, honestly, overrated. No stealth section lasts more than 5 minutes. Actually there are shorter. Also, it's a lie that there is no escape from them if spotted, you only have to return to a shadow portal (rat portal) and the enemies will lose you.

It's been a great, GREAT game so far, it's like an Assasskns Creed 1/2 leap. The game is also more similar to Symphony of the Night that you think.  That was really downplayed in marketing.

However, Agreus just frustrated me. I wasted 2 hours, mist and everything, nothing.  What a shame. because the lead up to it was great and visually appealing. It just stopped me from my marathoon. I'll try again later, though.
I'm talking about Agreus (and stealth sections in general). It's completely unnecessary mechanic for this game, really. There are lots of better ways for them to change the pace of the game, but they choose one of the worst ones (and they had Kojima there on the first LoS, they could have used his knowlegde about this if they wanted, but nope).

That's why this is bullshit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 07:04:49 AM
It is bad design. But it IS surprising, contrary to what you said. The rest of the game has been superb.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 22, 2014, 07:18:03 AM
It is bad design. But it IS surprising, contrary to what you said. The rest of the game has been superb.

 Don't worry he do it for vice  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 07:28:10 AM
Oh, remember that Gameinformer (or Edge, I can't remember) complained about how Dracula had time to search for toys for his son while the world was burning? Well, the time freezes when he enters the castle dimension. These reviewers are retarded.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 22, 2014, 07:32:12 AM
I think he just meant it felt anti-climatic. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 07:35:26 AM
I think he just meant it felt anti-climatic.
It isn't. The Castle parts are always great and mindblowing. Seriously you don't have idea what is going on but it is so great. And they have cool platfforming! (not ledging platfforming!)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 22, 2014, 07:41:57 AM
Of course you would say that. You're a character from the game!

But you won't fool me.......
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 07:45:39 AM
Of course you would say that. You're a character from the game!

But you won't fool me.......
Well I'm the worst castle part lol

Any questions?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 22, 2014, 07:49:05 AM
Just because people hate bullshit in their game that would be otherwise decent without it doesn't mean they're suicidal losers. What the hell, Chern?
No, you're misreading my post (maybe it was badly written too). Not talking about suicidal stuff, but hard things in life (like finding a job, raising a family, etc.) -- you can't "quit" those things just because it's hard. Just my 2 cents, I think it's stupid to buy a game 60 euros/dollars and not finishing it...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 07:52:27 AM
No, you're misreading my post (maybe it was badly written too). Not talking about suicidal stuff, but hard things in life (like finding a job, raising a family, etc.) -- you can't "quit" those things just because it's hard. Just my 2 cents, I think it's stupid to buy a game 60 euros/dollars and not finishing it...
I quited there. I was playing non stop for almost 10 hours. The game was amazing but that part told me "yeah, time to stop". I was having a blast. Sadly it is that bad.

"I can smell your fear" - Get used to those words.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 22, 2014, 08:18:40 AM
lol they patched an extremely difficult section towards the end of god of war ascension called "Trials of Archimedes" they had to make it easier because it was too damn hard & people were complaining

so is very possible same thing can happen with los2
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 22, 2014, 08:35:14 AM
It is bad design. But it IS surprising, contrary to what you said. The rest of the game has been superb.
It's IS not surprising for me, because this developer tends to put lots of bad decisions sections in all their games. LoS 1 is full of them, so it's not surprising that they would do it here again.

It isn't. The Castle parts are always great and mindblowing. Seriously you don't have idea what is going on but it is so great. And they have cool platfforming! (not ledging platfforming!)
Something like 3D Mario games or Alice/Psychonauts/etc then? If the platforming actually includes moving platforms, things that don't require you to press a button to use the chain on it automatically, etc I'll be pretty happy. I haven't seen anything yet that's much different than the first game on the videos.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 08:41:34 AM
It has both, ledging and platfforming, the second is more prominent here than LoS 1 .
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on February 22, 2014, 09:06:46 AM
I would not call those stealth section "stealth" they look more like a puzzle where you need to think how to use the environment and abilities to move on....
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 09:23:46 AM
finally got agreus.
I found something interesting.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 22, 2014, 10:00:58 AM
theyh shoulda had Dracula turn into a wolf instead of rats
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 10:07:16 AM
theyh shoulda had Dracula turn into a wolf instead of rats
Rats are super fun. Also gotta love the rat music.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 22, 2014, 10:15:50 AM
well gather around children, and lets recap the tragic story of gabriel belmont by watching the entire saga in movie format

Castlevania : Lords of Shadow - The Games Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM81xmwakOg#ws)
Castlevania: Mirror of Fate [HD] - The Movie - [All Cutscenes in 1080p] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tduUbe9YdRU#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 10:30:07 AM
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 10:33:20 AM
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I have no idea what you mean by this, but it sounds awesome. :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 22, 2014, 10:35:59 AM
obviously that will have patches, like all games of the last years. It will correct some things (Agreus has a trick) and new content will be added.

Someone was remembered as Gran Tourismo 5 to start and end? as Skyrim was the beginning and the end?. Many patches passed.

Judge all games or just not to judge anyone.

So Agreus patch confirmed? Or are you saying there's a trick to make Agreus really easy? Either way, for my own sake, I'm glad.

Also, Agreus:

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 10:46:35 AM
There is a /method/ that is half luck and half skill. Try to pass ledging behind every box, when you are before the "non box part" make the last bell ring, use mist, go behind the new boxes, then use the new bell, open the door. At this point I was spotted (ugh) but after restarting the door was already open so I ran for my life with the cyclon boots (lol)

and guess who is cannon now
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And the chupacabras will go from Please die already to d'awww isnt it adorable like in three lines. Best charaxter in the game lol.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 10:54:44 AM
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Post by: Inccubus on February 22, 2014, 11:08:17 AM
wtf don't pirate the game! the series needs the sales. better try to get it early. I payed a visit to my local store and guess what the will sell it on sunday. guess who will be the frist in line at 9am?

They don't get my money up front any more, plus I've never supported this reboot and I sure as hell won't do it with my hard earned cash.

Furthermore, as I've said before, it's stealing, not piracy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
Nah it's joking. kinda. I love him. Also, contrary to some misconceptios around
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 22, 2014, 11:11:12 AM
They don't get my money up front any more, plus I've never supported this reboot and I sure as hell won't do it with my hard earned cash.

Furthermore, as I've said before, it's stealing, not piracy.
Well, fuck you Inccubus. You simply don't deserve playing a game you didn't pay for. Dick.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on February 22, 2014, 11:13:47 AM
What principle? Wanting the franchise to die?

Not supporting things I don't like. But I won't know for sure that I won't like it until I play it. It's no different than if I went and played someone else's copy of it since I'm not going to go to the trouble of buying it and then returning it.
If I like it they get my money later rather than soon which makes no difference to their pockets.
If I don't like they were never going to get my money anyway so it also makes no difference.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 22, 2014, 11:15:51 AM
but do you actually want to play the game at all

there's already a demo and etc
and not all that different from lords 1
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on February 22, 2014, 11:17:52 AM
but do you actually want to play the game at all

there's already a demo and etc
and not all that different from lords 1

I like to give things a fair shake, and this demo seems pretty limited. I want to try the final product.
If I like it I'll buy a digital copy, and continue playing the one I already have. If not, I'll just delete it anyway.
Point is Konami isn't actually loosing anything at any point in this process.
It's like that retarded notion in modern business culture that time is money. That's bullshit and disingenuous.


Well, fuck you Inccubus. You simply don't deserve playing a game you didn't pay for. Dick.

Deserving is irrelevant. The reality is it happens all the time and the industry makes plenty of money from people that turn around and decide to buy the games. The people that just steal the game however they can were never going to pay for them in the first place. Anyone who thinks differently is naive.

For the record most of my money goes to independent games that are actually innovative and do something to further the art form instead of milking the masses and fanboys.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 22, 2014, 11:19:25 AM
Not supporting things I don't like. But I won't know for sure that I won't like it until I play it. It's no different than if I went and played someone else's copy of it since I'm not going to go to the trouble of buying it and then returning it.
If I like it they get my money later rather than soon which makes no difference to their pockets.
If I don't like they were never going to get my money anyway so it also makes no difference.
Weird line of reasoning, most certainly you won't pay for it and you will still enjoy it. Old school legacy games are one thing, no one will bat an eye for you downloading Belmont's revenge or even judgment, their impact is done, but this is a game that is not even released. it's pretty shady and dishonest.

And lol "masses" as if this was a game for the masses.
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 11:20:52 AM
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 22, 2014, 11:24:52 AM
No, you're misreading my post (maybe it was badly written too). Not talking about suicidal stuff, but hard things in life (like finding a job, raising a family, etc.) -- you can't "quit" those things just because it's hard. Just my 2 cents, I think it's stupid to buy a game 60 euros/dollars and not finishing it...

But those things really don't compare in the slightest to quiting a fictional video game.

On the one hand quiting one could have long term and series impact on the rest of your life (such as quiting a job for instance) while the other is just a form of entertainment that has no bearing on how you will be able to live through the rest of your life.

I think your going a tad overboard with the defense of LOS2 here, but I do agree that it would be dumb to spend that kind of money and just quit at a part like that, you would essentially be wasting money.

But the difference is that it won't have a longterm impact on your life.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on February 22, 2014, 11:34:58 AM
Joking or not, this is one of the reason's that the series is at this point in the first place.

And where did you come up with that? I think there has been plenty of consensus here that the series is where it is because it got stale to the fan base and Konami decided to go for mass appeal than relying on the core fans that had been supporting it up until Judgement.


Weird line of reasoning, most certainly you won't pay for it and you will still enjoy it. Old school legacy games are one thing, no one will bat an eye for you downloading Belmont's revenge or even judgment, their impact is done, but this is a game that is not even released. it's pretty shady and dishonest.

And lol "masses" as if this was a game for the masses.

Nothing wierd about it. And you're assuming enjoyment. Nothing shady about it. This isn't a back alley deal. I'm being completely open about my intentions. Dishonest is downloading it enjoying it and then not buying it.
You know what I find wierd? People listing LoS2 as their favorite CV before they've even played it.

The entire LoS trilogy was designed and stated to be made to appeal to a broader audience. And it has consistently done so by aping aspects of other popular action games. If that isn't an attempt to appeal to the masses (gaming masses are implied) then I don't know what is.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 11:36:56 AM
HEAVY SUPER HEAVY SPOILERS
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 11:43:37 AM
What the hell was Game Informer talking about? This game looks fine to me.

If they loved LoS1 I don't understand why they hated LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 11:45:59 AM
If you loved LoS1 you will die of constant orgasms.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on February 22, 2014, 11:59:56 AM
What the hell was Game Informer talking about? This game looks fine to me.

If they loved LoS1 I don't understand why they hated LoS2.

I've never trusted anything that reviewers say about graphics. It's a highly subjective aspect of any game. Plus I've observed that some people are more sensitive to things like color depth and FPS.
My first question here is did the same reviewer write up both games?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 12:01:27 PM
What the hell was Game Informer talking about? This game looks fine to me.

If they loved LoS1 I don't understand why they hated LoS2.

Im not seeing it either, stealth sections aside everything else seems like an improvement of the first game.

Unless Agreus's stealth segment really pissed them off, which I don't particularly blame them since it does look like a pain to get through.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 12:02:34 PM
THE TRAIN LEVEL IS SO COOL
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Post by: uzo on February 22, 2014, 12:04:51 PM
If you don't like the game, don't play it. Or if you think it's not worth the asking price, wait for a Steam sale at least. It'll hit about 5$ eventually, and if you're not too thrilled about playing it I'm sure you can wait a year or two for that price drop.

Just don't go around parading that you're going to pirate it like an asshole.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 12:04:58 PM
THE TRAIN LEVEL IS SO COOL

You're watching it too? Im a sucker for train stages and it's giving me life.

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Post by: thernz on February 22, 2014, 12:05:51 PM
lol lords having mass appeal
when did that ever happen
it just targeted a bigger niche
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 12:08:55 PM
ok I got to another bullshit stealth section.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 12:10:58 PM
FIND SOME WAY FOR ME TO REACH YOU
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Post by: Bergaron on February 22, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
What the hell was Game Informer talking about? This game looks fine to me.

If they loved LoS1 I don't understand why they hated LoS2.

In this industry and in life there are friends and enemies. There is jealousy and selfishness, whims and tantrums.

Cox does not sit well with many people, some "adults" act like children because you were not invited to any event or gave him a Tomb Edition.

Therefore I tell you, you try and careful review of the twenty-first century (it misses the professionalism of the old days)

I do not like the end ... very disney for me (that I like sad endings). But let closes the story of "LOS", I've enjoyed (well not much MoF).

From the next day 25 it's time to think about the "new" Castlevania. SotN2? ...

P. D. I'm dying to see MS squeezing power of PS4 graphics :)
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 12:11:43 PM
FIND SOME WAY FOR ME TO REACH YOU

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Post by: Inccubus on February 22, 2014, 12:12:42 PM
If you don't like the game, don't play it. Or if you think it's not worth the asking price, wait for a Steam sale at least. It'll hit about 5$ eventually, and if you're not too thrilled about playing it I'm sure you can wait a year or two for that price drop.

Just don't go around parading that you're going to pirate it like an asshole.

I don't know that I won't like it yet until I try it and I won't give over my cash ahead of time.
I'll download it as I please and the end result will be no different to anyone who matters in that scenario.
People need to stop jumping at every mention of the  pirate "boogey-man".


lol lords having mass appeal
when did that ever happen
it just targeted a bigger niche

I never said it has achieved mass appeal, but it is as plain as day that many of the decisions, including the very inception of the project, was motivated by an attempt for mass appeal on Konami's end.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 12:14:19 PM
Oh I passed the bullshit section. It was piss easy.  Thet are puzzles more thab stealth.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 12:14:30 PM
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Oh that's why.
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 12:20:45 PM
ok no I thought i had do it but i didn't its bullshit. it's bwfore the second acolyte.

edit: I did it for realsies. just use bats on the two corridor guards, walk until the staircase and use mist and pray to go through the fence.
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Post by: uzo on February 22, 2014, 12:28:29 PM
I don't know that I won't like it yet until I try it and I won't give over my cash ahead of time.
I'll download it as I please and the end result will be no different to anyone who matters in that scenario.
People need to stop jumping at every mention of the  pirate "boogey-man".

There is a demo already. Albeit short, but a demo none the less. It hits what is likely to be the core of the game in a small bite size.

You really have no leg to stand on here. You're just looking to get away with free games while using some bullshit justifications. Just admit you're a petty thief or keep it to yourself.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 12:41:30 PM
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 12:46:15 PM
Man I hate the switches you have to slit your wrists on.

Shit like that makes me squeamish.

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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 12:50:38 PM
Man I hate the switches you have to slit your wrists on.

Shit like that makes me squeamish.

Yeah im not a fan of wrist harming like that.

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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 12:54:06 PM
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Well I guess you can say

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YEAHHHHH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANez1olaSE#)
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 12:56:49 PM
Well I guess you can say

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YEAHHHHH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANez1olaSE#)
God dammit lmao
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Damn, now we have to wait until more videos are uploaded.
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Post by: crisis on February 22, 2014, 01:08:58 PM
well so much for that Slogra corpse that was teased at the end of los1 for no reason

dont think theres any Slogra enemy or boss battle in los2 is there
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 01:12:03 PM
well so much for that Slogra corpse that was teased at the end of los1 for no reason

dont think theres any Slogra enemy or boss battle in los2 is there

Yeah it's a bummer that he's not a enemy in this game, he could have fitted right in the game as well. Shame his model had to go to waste on a statue/corpse.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 01:14:38 PM
well so much for that Slogra corpse that was teased at the end of los1 for no reason

dont think theres any Slogra enemy or boss battle in los2 is there
Would have liked to fight Slogra and Gaibon as a Belmont anyway.

Well, a non-vampire Belmont.

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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 01:16:07 PM
OMFG WHAT A PLOT TWIST
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Post by: GuyStarwind on February 22, 2014, 01:28:49 PM
Where are you guys watching this stuff or whatever?
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 01:30:57 PM
Where are you guys watching this stuff or whatever?
http://www.youtube.com/user/CGInfernoBlast/videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/CGInfernoBlast/videos)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 22, 2014, 01:31:32 PM
Where are you guys watching this stuff or whatever?

Just search youtube for "Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 walkthrough".

So far they have covered about 5 hours of the game.
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Post by: Munchy on February 22, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
After watching some of that Greek guy's previews.... Jesus Christ, the architecture porn is strong with this game. Any time you're in the castle is just a goddamn feast for the eyes.

Does anyone who has the game know if there's an option to turn off all the tutorial text? They made a huge deal out of not having as much hand-holding in this game, but it sure doesn't look like it at first glance.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on February 22, 2014, 01:32:48 PM
Thank you
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
Where are you guys watching this stuff or whatever?
I AM playing it right now. Oh, and thise for you loolking forward to a certain fight.. you will not be dissapointed. You will die a lot, though.

And the twist put the game over its head.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 01:39:26 PM
I AM playing it right now. Oh, and thise for you loolking forward to a certain fight.. you will not be dissapointed. You will die a lot, though.

And the twist put the game over its head.
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 01:47:13 PM
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Long, hard, the way it must be. It delivered.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 01:50:30 PM
Long, hard, the way it must be. It delivered.
DETAILS MAN.

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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 01:52:17 PM
DETAILS MAN.

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I will spoil everything but that. PM me.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 01:57:13 PM
I will spoil everything but that. PM me.
Sent.

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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 02:08:39 PM
Sent.

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Well, go on, pm me the dirt.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 02:12:53 PM
Well, go on, pm me the dirt.
Done and done.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 02:15:38 PM
I'm stupid. I reloaded a checkpoint because I was lost and it led me BEFORE my last bossfight. The long and hard one. Yeah. Fuck me.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 02:17:34 PM
I'm stupid. I reloaded a checkpoint because I was lost and it led me BEFORE my last bossfight. The long and hard one. Yeah. Fuck me.
RIP
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
Done and done.

Thanks.

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Post by: Kamirine on February 22, 2014, 02:19:31 PM
Sent.

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Please tell me as well.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Please tell me as well.
Just sent.

Do not click unless you want something big spoiled for yourself:

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Post by: uzo on February 22, 2014, 02:27:08 PM
I'll take the spoiler as well if anyone cares to PM it.

If it's this 'big' as it seems people are reacting to it, it may be at least somewhat interesting.
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Post by: Kamirine on February 22, 2014, 02:29:39 PM
Wow. Didn't see that coming at all.  I'll forward it to you Uzo.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 22, 2014, 02:35:44 PM
I'm interested as well!
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Post by: Kamirine on February 22, 2014, 02:39:45 PM
I'm interested as well!

Sent!
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 22, 2014, 02:43:22 PM
send me one as well, sounds interesting. :)
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Post by: uzo on February 22, 2014, 02:43:55 PM
Thanks. Though I'm not sure how that-

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Post by: Kamirine on February 22, 2014, 02:47:52 PM
Thanks. Though I'm not sure how that-

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The secretive nature of the PM is building unintentionally hype, lol. DPA, I'll send you one.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 02:52:45 PM
Thanks. Though I'm not sure how that-

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 22, 2014, 02:55:51 PM
u guys are making me so jelly the temptation in this thread is strong

BUT i will not succumb. game is only a few days away
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 22, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
By prequel I meant before LoS1, not between MoF and LoS2. It was obvious they didn't intend anything else from MoF to LoS2.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
By prequel I meant before LoS1, not between MoF and LoS2. It was obvious they didn't intend anything else from MoF to LoS2.
I bet you the prequel would be about the following:

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Post by: thernz on February 22, 2014, 03:01:21 PM
lords of shadow prequel where you play as satan in angst when he's grounded by god and sent to his room

lords of shadow interquel where you pump iron as satan

lords of shadow interquel where it's a dungeon keeper clone and you play as dracula maintaining his minions
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Post by: e105beta on February 22, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
u guys are making me so jelly the temptation in this thread is strong

BUT i will not succumb. game is only a few days away

Stay strong with me, Crisis. I need solidarity or I will succumb.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
lords of shadow interquel where it's a dungeon keeper clone and you play as dracula maintaining his minions
Why can I already see this being made? It sounds like the perfect dumb iOS game Konami would be interested in making.

EDIT: Guest number keeps jumping, I guess Konami is here.
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Post by: uzo on February 22, 2014, 03:06:05 PM
If done well it could actually be really cool. That's exactly what I'd expect to be doing when I think about playing as Dracula for real.
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 03:22:53 PM
Finally I can finish my quest. Wish me luck. What a game man, what a game. Unbelievable.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 03:22:58 PM
Someone on /v/ has beaten the game and revealed a bit more.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDd5TbKc.jpg&hash=ba269b7f57784b651ef34f98f6cbb3e5)

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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 03:36:54 PM
Wow Satan is competent for one.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 22, 2014, 03:38:03 PM
Shit!!! I accidentally saw a BIG BIG spoiler!!! noooo
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Post by: EstebanT on February 22, 2014, 03:38:38 PM

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WHAT? WHY THE FUCK NOT?
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 03:39:58 PM
WHAT? WHY THE FUCK NOT?
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 22, 2014, 03:44:50 PM
Shit!!! I accidentally saw a BIG BIG spoiler!!! noooo

How did you accidentally see it? ;D

Everything is wrapped in spoiler tags around here.

Not to mention the topic's title warns there are spoilers.
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
The final boss is kicking by ass. Reminds me of Vergil from DMC3
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 03:47:41 PM
YOU WON'T FUCKINB BELIEVE THIS
I BEAT THE LAST BOSS
AND MY XBOX JUMPED AN UNHANDLED ERROR

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN MERCURYSTEAN
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 03:48:12 PM
YOU WON'T FUCKINB BELIEVE THIS
I BEAT THE LAST BOSS
AND MY XBOX JUMPED AN UNHANDLED ERROR

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN MERCURYSTEAN

Oh damn.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 03:48:20 PM
YOU WON'T FUCKINB BELIEVE THIS
I BEAT THE LAST BOSS
AND MY XBOX JUMPED AN UNHANDLED ERROR

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN MERCURYSTEAN
lol Xbox
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Post by: e105beta on February 22, 2014, 03:51:06 PM
YOU WON'T FUCKINB BELIEVE THIS
I BEAT THE LAST BOSS
AND MY XBOX JUMPED AN UNHANDLED ERROR

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN MERCURYSTEAN

1/10 would not play again?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 22, 2014, 03:51:52 PM
YOU WON'T FUCKINB BELIEVE THIS
I BEAT THE LAST BOSS
AND MY XBOX JUMPED AN UNHANDLED ERROR

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN MERCURYSTEAN

Not surprised after experiencing the glitchy PC demo.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 04:00:20 PM
OkOk calm down everyone.
My save didn't get corrupted.
It loaded right after the final blow, it's ok.
Crisis averted.

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Bravo.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 22, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
lol I know, but I open the spoiler tags just to see how long they are and the spoilers were the first three words. Shit. Not blaming anybody. My bad
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 04:05:04 PM
OkOk calm down everyone.
My save didn't get corrupted.
It loaded right after the final blow, it's ok.
Crisis averted.

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Bravo.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 22, 2014, 04:15:09 PM
It's unbelievable to think it's over. Isn't it?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 04:15:58 PM
Okay a few questions:

Was the Agreus boss fight good at least (other than that stupid stealth section before)?

In the Dracula Boss fight, did Dracula transform into a Dragon or other big Monster (having a second form)?

How was the second Acolyte fight? I hope the second Acolyte either transformed into a huge monstrosity like Raisa or controls a mech. Is he that pruple looking Sculp Wind? I hope not.

What are the other Titan bosses?

How does the Leviathan look? I hope awesome. Do you actually fight the Leviathan like you did fight the Gorgon with Health bar and all?
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Post by: e105beta on February 22, 2014, 04:16:55 PM
It's unbelievable to think it's over. Isn't it?

Not for me it ain't.

BRING IT ON, TEUSDAY!
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 04:20:00 PM
I don't regret having all of this stuff spoiled for me, but man now I really want to play this game. I have no idea when I will be able to though.
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 04:23:46 PM
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Okay a few questions:

Was the Agreus boss fight good at least (other than that stupid stealth section before)?

In the Dracula Boss fight, did Dracula transform into a Dragon or other big Monster (having a second form)?

How was the second Acolyte fight? I hope the second Acolyte either transformed into a huge monstrosity like Raisa or controls a mech. Is he that pruple looking Sculp Wind? I hope not.

What are the other Titan bosses?

How does the Leviathan look? I hope awesome. Do you actually fight the Leviathan like you did fight the Gorgon with Health bar and all?
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Post by: Trevelyan on February 22, 2014, 04:26:14 PM
Can someone pm me the big spoiler?
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Post by: EstebanT on February 22, 2014, 04:27:20 PM
Is the acolyte in purple Shaft?
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
Could you tell me what the other Titan FIGHTS are? (not counting Titan Levels like the Siege Titan who didn't have a health bar). Or let me say it like this: What are the other bosses with big forms like the Toy Maker or the Gorgon?
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 04:28:20 PM
Can someone pm me the big spoiler?
Don't. Really. Everyone, try not to spoil yourselves. I'm having high feelings now but it's because I came almost in blank. Those punches wouldn't ad been felt otherwise. The game is amazing. Period. I'm gonna award him the only 9 I've given in 2 years for my magazine. Go, buy it, enjoy. There are flaws, yes, some baffling? yes. Do they sour me? hell not. what. a. ride.

Is the acolyte in purple Shaft?
That's not his name but he feels like him.
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Could you tell me what the other Titan FIGHTS are? (not counting Titan Levels like the Siege Titan who didn't have a health bar).
None. And it's better that way.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 04:33:47 PM
Okay, but what are the other big or huge bosses like Medusa or the Toy Maker? Are there other bosses with really big monstrous forms?

Do you even fight the third acolyte? The one in red robes summoning Satan?

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Is this a Boss too? But he's not the second acolyte? Because he's a mech Boss.
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These giant mechs of the second acolyte are Special mechs not the same mechs that we did see before in the game (the big ones that are controlled by the soldiers). Does each of the three mechs look different or are they the same? Do they look like in MGS?

What is your favourite Boss if I may ask?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 04:39:35 PM
Okay, but what are the other big or huge bosses like Medusa or the Toy Maker? Are there other bosses with really big monstrous forms?

Do you even fight the third acolyte? The one in red robes summoning Satan?

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Is this a Boss too? But he's not the second acolyte? Because he's a mech Boss.
http://aggrogamer.com/assets/118958984152d6c8c82a890.JPG (http://aggrogamer.com/assets/118958984152d6c8c82a890.JPG)

These giant mechs of the second acolyte are Special mechs not the same mechs that we did see before in the game (the big ones that are controlled by the soldiers). Does each of the three mechs look different or are they the same? Do they look like in MGS?

What is your favourite Boss if I may ask?
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 04:48:32 PM
What do the Dracula forms look like if I may ask?

Oh Victor is a Boss as well? O_o I hope it's a badass Boss fight.

Is there a traditional giant Military SciFi Mech who will serve as a Boss?

Is this a Boss as well? http://image-upload.de/image/ykWzZ8/11137283ad.jpg (http://image-upload.de/image/ykWzZ8/11137283ad.jpg)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 04:51:33 PM
What do the Dracula forms look like if I may ask?

Oh Victor is a Boss as well? O_o I hope it's a badass Boss fight.

Is there a traditional giant Military SciFi Mech who will serve as a Boss?

Is this a Boss as well? http://image-upload.de/image/ykWzZ8/11137283ad.jpg (http://image-upload.de/image/ykWzZ8/11137283ad.jpg)
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Post by: Kamirine on February 22, 2014, 04:52:34 PM
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 04:53:49 PM
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Misread. I included the three fights as my favorite. They are for different reasons.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
Heh, so that blood thing is Dracula? O_o omg

What's the hardest Boss in the game btw?
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
O_o omg

What's the hardest Boss in the game btw?
You spoiler that!

The last one. It's crazy.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
I hope with small sickles that fly around, Magic attacks and scythe attacks. But Death IS Zobek right?

I guess the second form will be a red blood creature just like that pic as well, just way bigger, more bizarre and more Lovecraftian. Could you at least say yes or no to this theory?
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 22, 2014, 05:01:17 PM
People, why are you spoiling yourselves? We know for a fact the game is more than good enough. Isn't that matter of celebration? It is for me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
People, why are you spoiling yourselves? We know for a fact the game is more than good enough. Isn't that matter of celebration? It is for me.
Sorry pal, it's them who want it. I don't.

I hope with small sickles that fly around, Magic attacks and scythe attacks. But Death IS Zobek right?

I guess the second form will be a red blood creature just like that pic as well, just way bigger, more bizarre and more Lovecraftian. Could you at least say yes or no to this theory?
- Yes and yes.
- No lol. And as I said there are not a first and second forms, they both coexist.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on February 22, 2014, 05:12:55 PM
I'm spoiling myself because I won't buy this game anytime soon. I'm a poor starving college student with no money  ;D
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 05:24:24 PM
I'm spoiling myself because I won't buy this game anytime soon. I'm a poor starving college student with no money  ;D
Pretty much my story as well as not owning any platforms it's on.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 05:27:52 PM
Im not sensitive to being spoiled just as long as I can play it myself once it's available.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 22, 2014, 05:28:27 PM
 I don't care about spoilers at all. It doesn't make me not play the game or make it worse for me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 22, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
Does the Victor Boss fight come before or after the Dracula Boss?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 22, 2014, 05:33:39 PM
Im not sensitive to being spoiled just as long as I can play it myself once it's available.

This is exactly how I feel as well.

I did the same thing with Yakuza 4, even if I spoil the story for myself I still have the gameplay to look forward to.

The story is only part of the entire game.

That is why i have never been all worried about spoiling myself ahead of time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 22, 2014, 05:36:07 PM
Oh yeah... the story is the worst aspect of Castlevania for me anyway, so having it spoiled doesn't mean that much anyway.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 05:46:09 PM
Does the Victor Boss fight come before or after the xxxxxx Boss?
Can you /please/ spoiler that word? lol It is before, but it's pretty late in the game.

I don't think spoilers are detrimental. but believe me things punch harder in surprise.

Ok guys, I will be active until tomorrow only. I can't risk myself to be traced and get fired or something worse. Ask all you can now and tomorrow. You're cool!

in other news
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 05:55:30 PM
I can't risk myself to be traced and get fired or something worse.
Do you work for Konami or something?

I think you're fine at this point man, too many people have beaten the game already.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 06:02:44 PM
Do you work for Konami or something?

I think you're fine at this point man, too many people have beaten the game already.
I work for a magazine and I already said here the score I will give. As scores are to be divulged since tuesday or so I could be traced and that would be unfortunate. There was a NDA that I jumped over to be here, I've always lurked this forum and I started to see some negativity. My expectations were lowerded too. But this game is worthy of my praise, as a fan. This game will be enjoyed most by fans, forget the general public, they will be confused as fuck while the fans would be like "woah, this is how I envisioned this on my head" and so.

This is not hyperbole, this game is not only similar to Symphony of the Night, it's probably the NEW Symphony of the Night. If it's not well regarded now, be sure history will be kind with it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 22, 2014, 06:04:51 PM
Fans of what? Castlevania or Lords of Shadow?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 06:05:42 PM
Fans of what? Castlevania or Lords of Shadow?
Both. This game could be part of the original canon and no one would bat an eye. Change Marie with Lisa and done. It's obvious that Victor was supposed to be called Julius. They are too similar, powers and all.
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Post by: crisis on February 22, 2014, 06:08:36 PM
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This is not hyperbole, this game is not only similar to Symphony of the Night, it's probably the NEW Symphony of the Night.

that is a bold statement my friend. the general consensus is that symphony is pretty much lightning in a bottle, however, when i own the game tuesday i will make a concrete decision not jsut fot me but for ALL castlevania fans on the planet
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 06:13:30 PM
that is a bold statement my friend. the general consensus is that symphony is pretty much lightning in a bottle, however, when i own the game tuesday i will make a concrete decision not jsut fot me but for ALL castlevania fans on the planet
Don't get me wrong. This won't be a /timeless/ masterpiece like SOTN, and has flaws, but it's as bold as Symphony was. it will be imitated and a reference for all new 3D Castlevanias. Not to mention it's a Metroivania too, pure and simple.

It's, the first successful 3D metroidvania. That's quite a feat.
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Post by: theplottwist on February 22, 2014, 07:54:46 PM
This is not hyperbole, this game is not only similar to Symphony of the Night, it's probably the NEW Symphony of the Night.
Both. This game could be part of the original canon and no one would bat an eye. Change Marie with Lisa and done. It's obvious that Victor was supposed to be called Julius. They are too similar, powers and all.
Don't get me wrong. This won't be a /timeless/ masterpiece like SOTN, and has flaws, but it's as bold as Symphony was. it will be imitated and a reference for all new 3D Castlevanias. Not to mention it's a Metroivania too, pure and simple.

It's, the first successful 3D metroidvania. That's quite a feat.

Dude... I lost count on how many limbs you went off there...
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 08:02:49 PM
Hey OSM

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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 08:29:32 PM
Hey OSM

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Aw shit where did you see it? That one guy just uploaded a new video but he's nowhere near the end.
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Post by: thernz on February 22, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
ban everyone not using spoiler tags
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 08:40:46 PM
Aw shit where did you see it? That one guy just uploaded a new video but he's nowhere near the end.

Livestream on Twitch.

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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 09:09:23 PM

nvm
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 09:13:07 PM
nvm
Warp room.  Then kill the 2 monsters there at the front, then go down the alley. I was stuck but I didn't remember there was an alternate alley under the "billboards" you came from.
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Post by: KaZudra on February 22, 2014, 09:18:24 PM
Still Waiting the final 24 hours, Mostly Spoiler Free. I have trained my patience well...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 22, 2014, 09:21:53 PM
@Agreus

so are you unlocking achievements left & right or what
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 09:24:55 PM
@Agreus

so are you unlocking achievements left & right or what
Nah I'm not a cheevos guy. I have some, like 12,  few for a finished games. Achievements seem to be hard to get.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 09:32:24 PM
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
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I told you. It's perfect
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 09:41:57 PM
I told you. It's perfect

Sure beats the first games finale setting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jormungand on February 22, 2014, 09:43:01 PM
Hello first post here. ;D

I got the game yesterday, I purchased it for reviewing it on the website where I work (because Konami's PR never replied my email, so yay! no NDA  8)...whatever)

Anyways, after almost 8 hours of playing it, it has some strange feeling like a 3D SOTN. Most of the problems that LOS1 had has been fixed. It has some difficult spikes here and there and definitely if you want challenging boss battles, don't play it on easy or normal.

BTW, the map SUCKS, it's pretty ambiguous about where to go and showing your exact location. The combos on the whip are pretty much the same as LOS1 but now you need to use each one of them in order to level up your weapon.

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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 09:46:46 PM
I thought the map is ok. White for parts on your level, black for things over and under you. Reminds me of Saints Row's.
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Post by: jormungand on February 22, 2014, 09:49:51 PM
I thought the map is ok. White for parts on your level, black for things over and under you. Reminds me of Saints Row's.


The map On screen is ok, the map on the Traveler's guide is not that good imo, you cannot zoom on it and its a problem where the place is too big and so.
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Post by: Agreus on February 22, 2014, 09:56:42 PM
I never needed it to be honest. I only marked the warp room and went from there. Got lost once though. Pretty big map.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 10:14:22 PM
After all of what I've seen of this game, I want whatever drugs GI and Edge were sniffin cause I didn't see a 6 nor a 4 out of this game.

The game is a solid 7 at the least, an 8 or 8.5 at the most. The stealth segments and hokey script prevent it from being 9 status however but it's a better game than the first one. Day one locked solid.
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Post by: Dremn on February 22, 2014, 10:18:49 PM
Man.

I have no idea what's next for this series after seeing the ending.

A little part of me is going to miss Mercury Steam working on Castlevania though. It's been a really interesting ride, and I loved all the time we spent speculating over things.

Out of all the weird reboots for franchises I've seen, Lords of Shadow is probably one of the weirdest and craziest ones yet, but it's a positive feeling more so than a negative one.

They weren't afraid to do new things, and while the gameplay had nothing to do with what I loved about the Castlevania franchise in the first place, it was nice seeing this reboot all the way through.

They got my money for the first two games already, if I ever can in the near future I will probably pick up LoS2 as well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 22, 2014, 10:57:11 PM
Slept 8 hours. Woke up. 8 pages of spoilers.

Man, temptation... But I only have a few days to wait, so that's cool.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 22, 2014, 11:09:13 PM
Slept 8 hours. Woke up. 8 pages of spoilers.

Man, temptation... But I only have a few days to wait, so that's cool.

Trust me, avoid this thread and other threads on the net and go in blind, it'll be so much sweeter.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 22, 2014, 11:14:10 PM
Trust me, avoid this thread and other threads on the net and go in blind, it'll be so much sweeter.
My plan. I already stopped checking the Wiki, even if I'm an admin LOL.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 22, 2014, 11:48:18 PM
After all of what I've seen of this game, I want whatever drugs GI and Edge were sniffin cause I didn't see a 6 nor a 4 out of this game.

The game is a solid 7 at the least, an 8 or 8.5 at the most. The stealth segments and hokey script prevent it from being 9 status however but it's a better game than the first one. Day one locked solid.

It took you that long to say day one locked solid  :P

It's been locked or whatever with me since day one.

For the reviewers here without spoiling it, if you could describe the modern day setting in one word what would it be?

Also I feel like castlevania and shin megami tensei should have a crossover but that's just me.
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Post by: jormungand on February 23, 2014, 12:37:59 AM
It took you that long to say day one locked solid  :P

It's been locked or whatever with me since day one.

For the reviewers here without spoiling it, if you could describe the modern day setting in one word what would it be?

Also I feel like castlevania and shin megami tensei should have a crossover but that's just me.

It´s like castle segments of LOS1 but with pipes, steam, cars and light posts. Feels repetitive and lifeless sometimes. Pretty good work in the graphics tough
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Post by: Bergaron on February 23, 2014, 12:44:44 AM
I'm glad some of you like the game you like to rate a 8/9, is really what it is, a good game with some flaws (some are correctable).

I told you that play yourselves to judge, we do not all like the same type of games. Some do not like all styles of games, but its kind of gender los2 is very very good. (eg I am a big fan of Kingdoms of Amalur game despised by many but which I loved)

Good thing they are doing the DLC (not made ​​yet) and developers take note and learn from the opinions and criticisms. I already said it several times but the DLC did not contribute anything at the end of the story, only tells the parallel current paths and some past events, is only confirmed for now Alucard (as it all depends on sales), but were thinking in 3 DLC (those with history are the ones that matter, the rest are cosmetics) if sales go well.

If things go well 3 DLC would be just before year end, but it is very probable that only the first DLC is made by MS and the other two by another Konami team.

MS already has his head in the new project and do not want to spend resources.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 23, 2014, 01:16:38 AM
Whoa loads of pages! It's getting exciting~!
I'm now really curious as to why some already call the game SOTN 2.0

Oh and btw, anyone kind enough to pm me those juicy spoilers.
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Thanks. ♥

Ohhhh the spoilers~~~ tee heee heee
I can't wait to see the cut scenes.
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Post by: Nagumo on February 23, 2014, 02:03:41 AM
If anyone could send me the PM too, that would be great.
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Post by: Hagathrom on February 23, 2014, 02:21:04 AM
...For those, who've gotten their copy early; this question is for you? Is Lords of Shadow 2,  everything it said it was going to be and more?
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Post by: Munchy on February 23, 2014, 02:34:52 AM
Does anyone who has the game know if there's an option to turn off all the tutorial text? They made a huge deal out of not having as much hand-holding in this game, but it sure doesn't look like it at first glance.

Anyone?
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 23, 2014, 05:06:09 AM
Okay I only spoiled some bosses, not the in between boss gameplay. The bosses look cool. I hope that the Contra bosses will also be as epic. :P
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Post by: uzo on February 23, 2014, 07:05:52 AM
People, why are you spoiling yourselves? We know for a fact the game is more than good enough. Isn't that matter of celebration? It is for me.

Some people just don't give a shit. You're not their mommy. Let them do what they want.

I'm not planning on playing it, either any time soon, or at all. They've lost me already. So, I don't really care about keeping away from spoilers at this point. Mostly I was curious about the sequel potential, since I want this stuff to end and get back to the main series.


This game could be part of the original canon and no one would bat an eye.

Wrong.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 07:39:56 AM
^ You are wrong. But you haven't played it so I understand.

The modern setting is interesting, and the city has VERY cool parts, however it's kinda heartbreaking that with all these crazy towers and Locations in the distance the tram made you traverse through pipe corridors, which are as boring as always. When you're out things get better . There is one funny thing and it's that Dracula uses elevators. It's funny, I mean it's the prince of darkness, using an elevator lol.

In summary, the modern setting is too interesting, and there are very cool modern locations (a plaza, a cathedral, a maniac asylum, the streets are pretty cool) but both Acolyte's headquarters are generic and drab, the worst parts of the game by far. Mind you, you pass more time in the Castle than the city and the csstle is amazing. The sight of the throne room entrance will get you speechless. The game is pure architechtural porn.
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Post by: MKKhanzo on February 23, 2014, 07:52:34 AM
;D ;D ;D Attention  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Attention  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Attention ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:::::LORDS oF SHADOW 2 REVIEWS:::

Bgamer review: 9.0 - http://bgamer.sapo.pt/index.php/revista (http://bgamer.sapo.pt/index.php/revista)

Pelaaja(Finnish magazine): 9/10

Gamereactor(Swedish mag): 8/10

baziwood 95 / 100

vidoe-games aktuell 81/100

video-gamer (french magazin) 17/20

maniac 85 / 100

gamas 80 / 100

gameininformer 6 /10

edge 4/ 10

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the hype is growing!!! some people call LOS2 already SOTN 2.0

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 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 Seems like most European press is praising the game, while american one no. Just saying.
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Post by: bigbossbalorg on February 23, 2014, 07:53:12 AM
Hmmm without spoiling it, how is the writing and the story?
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 07:58:04 AM
Hmmm without spoiling it, how is the writing and the story?
The writing is typical video game, the dialogue feels more theatrical than natural. The story on the other hand is very good, and (learning from the first game) is not relegated to cutscenes only, it's always present. Things are really confusing at first, then get intriguing (still confusing) but by the end everything clicks godly. Whoever said it was worse than 1 is on drugs .
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 23, 2014, 07:58:37 AM
Hmmm without spoiling it, how is the writing and the story?

Seems "ok" to me, not good not great but certainly not bad.

But the ending does seem like it would put a damper on it since its very anticlimatic in my opinion.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 08:01:39 AM
The ending ending is.  It feels that it's lacking 2 minues more of closure. But the ending chapter is amazing.

One thing I liked is that every character is used for good, none of them is botched, hell, even the Chupacabras is lovely and developed. I'm in love with it d'awww.
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Post by: Kamirine on February 23, 2014, 08:09:27 AM
Some people just don't give a shit. You're not their mommy. Let them do what they want.

I'm not planning on playing it, either any time soon, or at all. They've lost me already. So, I don't really care about keeping away from spoilers at this point. Mostly I was curious about the sequel potential, since I want this stuff to end and get back to the main series.


Wrong.

I can't see how this game story wise could be part of the original canon without messing it up to hell and back.  Alucard alone ruins it, we won't even go into older characters, their relationships, and how vastly different they're done here.  So I agree, I would strangle someone at Konami if they tried.

The game is it's own reboot and gets to do vastly different things: it's better that way.  Steps on no one's toes who are fans of the older universe while Cox and his team gets to delight us with their intriguing retelling.  It doesn't need to be part if the older universe.

But on a different note:  am I the only one alarmed that all good reviews so far are only European?  Man, I really hope it scores well all around.  It really looks like a great game.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 08:16:29 AM
Kamirine:
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 23, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
I can't see how this game story wise could be part of the original canon without messing it up to hell and back.  Alucard alone ruins it, we won't even go into older characters, their relationships, and how vastly different they're done here.  So I agree, I would strangle someone at Konami if they tried.

The game is it's own reboot and gets to do vastly different things: it's better that way.  Steps on no one's toes who are fans of the older universe while Cox and his team gets to delight us with their intriguing retelling.  It doesn't need to be part if the older universe.

But on a different note:  am I the only one alarmed that all good reviews so far are only European?  Man, I really hope it scores well all around.  It really looks like a great game.

agreed.

The notion that " if it was a part of the original canon no one would bat a eye" thing is completely false here.

Lets not forget that the LOS series changed A LOT from what was established in the original canon.

The Alucard/Trevor thing being the most glaring as well as Dracula being a belmont before becoming Dracula.

In Lords of Shadow 2 its set in modern times which I would assume in 2013/2014?

If so fans would obviously bat a eye at that since AOS established a end to Dracula (physically) in 1999 and here we are playing as him in the year 2000.

Its obvious it would not work in the original canon and even trying to fit it in would cause many people to become angry at the glaring inconsistencies it would produce with the original canon, even more so that IGA's apparent inconsistencies I would say.

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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 08:29:33 AM
My affirmation has its limits, of course they should change lots of story things for the old cannon (duh) but the tone and overallplot is not an Anti-Castlevania. That's what I meant, this game is not a LoS 1 case of "why is this happening? castlevania was never like this" this game plays well and reasonably into the series. The whole series, both old and new, it may not share the story but it shares the spirit.
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Post by: uzo on February 23, 2014, 08:44:04 AM
I dunno about you but I don't want Gundams in my Castlevania. It's disqualified as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 08:48:33 AM
I dunno about you but I don't want Gundams in my Castlevania. It's disqualified as far as I'm concerned.
There are no Gundams. Your prejuidces are weird, the series has had almost every enemy in the world incluiding Motorcycle skeletons. Humans in military armir suits with machineguns are no diffwrent than armored knights with swords, it's the same type of enemy in diferent times. And your Castlevania will probably not come back. It would be weird a return to the classic formula when this game finally nailed it. I expect (and want) morr 2D games of course, but the old universe will feel boring, but that's my opinion.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 08:51:59 AM
Bitching about enemy types in Castlevania is kind of stupid, we've had like, thousands of types? From all influences and time periods and all that. That's the best part of the series, even, the variety.
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Post by: Dominus on February 23, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
I like the main universe and the LoS universe for what they are, so I'd rather have them be...separate

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I would like that spoiler PM too btw
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Post by: crisis on February 23, 2014, 09:26:49 AM
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@Agreus

are there nonsensical references to other games and outdated meme jokes like there was in the first los?
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 09:38:14 AM
@Crysis
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Post by: jormungand on February 23, 2014, 09:49:14 AM
LOL I was like WTF when one monster shoot me with something that I thought was a shotgun, but then I remembered the Bone Musket from SOTN  ;)

Seriously, if someone rants about the enemies in this game, it only shows their complete ignorance in the series's bestiary.
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Post by: uzo on February 23, 2014, 09:54:11 AM
There are no Gundams.

They're mechs. Mechs need to stay out of Castlevania. Aria of Sorrow was in the present/future and handled it very well. It kept all the potentially crazy shit out of the spotlight and focused on what Castlevania is about.

Even if they were to venture into a modern human city, my god, what the hell is with mechs and science labs, and all this other shit. This is not Metal Gear, as much as MS may pretend it to be.

Sure, you can have a Belmont ripping through a modern city filled with the undead. Thats fine, even sounds cool. Don't be getting Mobile Police Patlabor, or some evil Einstein's super laser lab, coming into the scene though.


Your prejuidces are weird, the series has had almost every enemy in the world incluiding Motorcycle skeletons.

Motorcycle Skeletons were stupid, especially for the time period. Castlevania 64 was pretty bad in general in my opinion.


Humans in military armir suits with machineguns are no diffwrent than armored knights with swords, it's the same type of enemy in diferent times.

That's fine. Aria did it. Didn't say anything about soldiers, just mechs.


And your Castlevania will probably not come back. It would be weird a return to the classic formula when this game finally nailed it. I expect (and want) morr 2D games of course, but the old universe will feel boring, but that's my opinion.

Wishful thinking on your part. It's only as 'boring' as the team making it, and the budget they get.

Also, I don't consider LoS "nailing it". It's a side step at best. It's basically just it's own separate series with a few artificially implanted references here and there. The first game started off as a weird one shot experiment, and it's been off the rails ever since. Getting worse, not better.


tl;dr

Keep the mechs in Metal Gear where they belong. You're Castlevania. Act like it.
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Post by: jormungand on February 23, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
Keep the mechs in Metal Gear where they belong. You're Castlevania. Act like it.

Poor Thin Man, Poor automatons, Poor robots that appeared in Kid Dracula series. Poor Mecha Knights and the Gear Steamer from Castlevania Bloodlines....

Bleh, kids these days.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 23, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
I just want this shit to end already.

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@jormungand

Where they focused that much though? There were only a few of these enemies types on Castlevania. We can even call them a joke, if anything. In LoS, they are to be taken seriously.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 10:16:55 AM
So, everyone, I think I'm out. Well, perhaps I'll stay around all this day but my time is coming to an end. It's my time for the final words.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow2 is quite an achievement. There are so many, so many things and could have go wrong and they didn't. It's finally the 3D castlevania game we always wanted, big, epic, with lots of exploration and platfforming, gorgeus (for the most part) setting and of course amazing combat. It's really nice to finally play as Dracula, you can't imagine the grin on my face the first time I did a "Hellfire" for example. The game treats both Castlevania series with uttermost respect, but is not afraid to make things feel new. That's what I want for the future. I don't want to go back to old predictable stories and settings, I want Castlevania to keep this path of boldness, it feels amazing, you feel as part of something you can't comprehend. I missed that feeling in gaming for many years (since the Legacy of Kain series) and I don't want it to go away.

So, as a summary, my (non so spoilery but kinda) pros and cons list.

Pros
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Cons
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Phew, that was a long one. Hope I helped you. Castlevania fans, you get your well deserved reward for all your fidelity. This game will be remembered fondly by history and is well deserving of all the praise it can get. It has flaws that can be corrected and, why not, perhaps a good DLC will put the icing on the cake ;) Bravo Mercury, Bravo and thank you! You changed my low expectations with awe and admiration!
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 23, 2014, 10:24:26 AM
@Agreus, I see that you keep calling this a metroidvania, but from what I heard the game is not all the open world.\

In fact, Cox and MS have made it a note to distance this from a metroidvania in interviews if I recall correctly.

Like take for instance Curse of Darkness, that game is a 3.D metroidvania where you can go anywhere and backtrack at anytime in a vast world, is Lords of Shadow 2 similar to that level of exploration?

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Post by: Nagumo on February 23, 2014, 10:26:32 AM
Thanks for sharing lots of information about the game, Agreus. Take care.

Regarding the enemies, due to how serious LoS takes it self, most of the things it tries to pull off ends up trumping the ninja maids in silliness. 

 
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 10:27:25 AM
@Agreus, I see that you keep calling this a metroidvania, but from what I heard the game is not all the open world.\

In fact, Cox and MS have made it a note to distance this from a metroidvania in interviews if I recall correctly.

Like take for instance Curse of Darkness, that game is a 3.D metroidvania where you can go anywhere and backtrack at anytime in a vast world, is Lords of Shadow 2 similar to that level of exploration?
it is a metroidvania. Pure and simply. Believe me. Take my word from it. If Darksiders is a Metroidvania, if Arkham Asylum is a metroidvania, this is one too. Yes, you can backtrack everywhere and anytime.

As my psot got stuck on last post of last page lol I will dare to post it here again, as I would like people to read it, I'm sure it will reach mor epeople than my magazine's review! Sorry if it's against the rules.



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So, everyone, I think I'm out. Well, perhaps I'll stay around all this day but my time is coming to an end. It's my time for the final words.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow2 is quite an achievement. There are so many, so many things and could have go wrong and they didn't. It's finally the 3D castlevania game we always wanted, big, epic, with lots of exploration and platfforming, gorgeus (for the most part) setting and of course amazing combat. It's really nice to finally play as Dracula, you can't imagine the grin on my face the first time I did a "Hellfire" for example. The game treats both Castlevania series with uttermost respect, but is not afraid to make things feel new. That's what I want for the future. I don't want to go back to old predictable stories and settings, I want Castlevania to keep this path of boldness, it feels amazing, you feel as part of something you can't comprehend. I missed that feeling in gaming for many years (since the Legacy of Kain series) and I don't want it to go away.

So, as a summary, my (non so spoilery but kinda) pros and cons list.

Pros
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Cons
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Phew, that was a long one. Hope I helped you. Castlevania fans, you get your well deserved reward for all your fidelity. This game will be remembered fondly by history and is well deserving of all the praise it can get. It has flaws that can be corrected and, why not, perhaps a good DLC will put the icing on the cake ;) Bravo Mercury, Bravo and thank you! You changed my low expectations with awe and admiration!

Take care anyone! Any questions today will be answered gladly!
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 23, 2014, 10:29:42 AM
it is a metroidvania. Pure and simply. Believe me. Take my word from it. If Darksiders is a Metroidvania, if Arkham Asylum is a metroidvania, this is one too. Yes, you can backtrack everywhere and anytime.

But Cox has gone on the record of saying while it does carry elements from a metroidvania that it really was not intended to be one in the first place.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/30/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-progression-similar-to-metroidvania-titles/ (http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/30/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-progression-similar-to-metroidvania-titles/)

"Cox stressed that Lords of Shadow’s 2 environment wasn’t consciously fashioned to feel like previous ‘Metroidvania’ titles and added, “Yeah, I mean it wasn’t a conscious decision to do that. People say to us ‘is this a Metroidvania style game,’ and I suppose in hindsight looking at it now, there are elements of that.

“But I wouldn’t say we’ve tried to model it on something like Symphony of Night, because it’s very different. Certainly there’s more scope for exploration and more scope for backtracking than there was in the original game, so it is closer to the classic games in that respect
.”"

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Post by: Maedhros on February 23, 2014, 10:33:06 AM
Metroidvania needs:

- A map that unlocks progressively as you explore (unless you find a map)
- Secrets areas that don't show easily on the map
- You can't advance there unless you get key/skill X/Y/Z
- It can have or not sequence breaker (as in not being linear, but still having importance to the gameplay, like in Super Metroid/SOTN where you could go to the underground first or explore the towers, etc).
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Post by: Flame on February 23, 2014, 10:33:44 AM
They're mechs. Mechs need to stay out of Castlevania. Aria of Sorrow was in the present/future and handled it very well. It kept all the potentially crazy shit out of the spotlight and focused on what Castlevania is about.

Aria also did nothing to take advantage of it's modern setting outside of a zombie type and like 3 weapons.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 10:35:16 AM
Metroidvania needs:

- A map that unlocks progressively as you explore (unless you find a map)
- Secrets areas that don't show easily on the map
- You can't advance there unless you get key/skill X/Y/Z
- It can have or not sequence breaker (as in not being linear, but still having importance to the gameplay, like in Super Metroid/SOTN where you could go to the underground first or explore the towers, etc).
All of them yes. Sorry Cox, your game is a metroidvania.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 23, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
Aria also did nothing to take advantage of it's modern setting outside of a zombie type and like 3 weapons.

To be fair it was set in a old castle and the only reason why it had some modern elements in it was because thanks to the 1999 demon castle wars soldiers and other modern people had been there.

I'm sure if it was actually set in the city it would have also had just as much modern shit as Lords of Shadow 2 considering it is set even further in the future.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 23, 2014, 10:38:15 AM
Aria also did nothing to take advantage of it's modern setting outside of a zombie type and like 3 weapons.
I think that was his point. It kept the Castlevania element there without going too crazy with the sillyness.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 23, 2014, 10:39:40 AM
All of them yes. Sorry Cox, your game is a metroidvania.

Well Cox and MS disagrees lol, but I will find out for myself once I get my hands on it.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 10:40:27 AM
Well Cox and MS disagrees lol, but I will find out for myself once I get my hands on it.
Which is weird, there's nothing to be ashamed of, that's awesome.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 23, 2014, 10:42:29 AM
All of them yes. Sorry Cox, your game is a metroidvania.
At what point does the game stops holding the hand?
When do you/can you start exploring for real?
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Post by: Nagumo on February 23, 2014, 10:42:56 AM
While I was watching walkthrough videos, I was thinking how this game took Aria's subtle method of bringing Castlevania to the future, beat it over the head, set it on fire, drove over it two times, and dumped its corpse in an abyss.   
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Post by: Belmontoya on February 23, 2014, 10:54:15 AM
AOS and DOS said they took place in the future, and that was about it. I don't know if "subtle" is the right word to use, or "uninspired". In my opinion, those games took an opportunity to take Castlevania into new visual territory, and threw it away.

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Post by: beingthehero on February 23, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
I agree with Jeffrey in that the sorrow games utilized the modern setting too little (though DoS was more upfront about it with the prologue and first stage), but I think Lords 2 has gone to the other extreme without hitting that sweet middle spot.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 11:01:57 AM
At what point does the game stops holding the hand?
When do you/can you start exploring for real?
After the first Acolyte. You still have freedom when you first enter the castle though, but your habilities are kidna limited then.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 11:03:06 AM
Guess who got the game?
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I've played it two hours, I just needed to come here and say this is so good. And the Stealth is one room. Really? is that it? Oh.
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Post by: uzo on February 23, 2014, 11:06:27 AM
Poor Thin Man, Poor automatons, Poor robots that appeared in Kid Dracula series. Poor Mecha Knights and the Gear Steamer from Castlevania Bloodlines....

Bleh, kids these days.

Tinman was a steam powered axe rotator on a wooden canon base. Not a mech.

Automations are the windup toys in OoE, right? Not a mech.

Kid Dracula? Instantly denied. You're just stretching at this point.

And most of the ideas in bloodlines were pretty lame as it is. They really went out there, almost as much as LoS did. I know that's not a popular opinion, but I don't like CV64 or Bloodlines in this regard.

Still, none of these examples are even close to being ED-209's. Sorry, but those are not good comparisons.


Aria also did nothing to take advantage of it's modern setting outside of a zombie type and like 3 weapons.

Which was the smart thing to do.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 11:07:23 AM
You are the problem then, not the series. Sorry.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 23, 2014, 11:10:36 AM
Kamirine:
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No, they aren't. The way they were concieved are two different ways. WHAT they are are two different THINGS...

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Post by: Kingshango on February 23, 2014, 11:13:05 AM
Woah
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 11:14:12 AM
No, they aren't. The way they were concieved are two different ways. WHAT they are are two different THINGS...

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I think he clarified with his post below saying he mant that this game fits more into the Castlevania tone than Lords 1 and a game with a similar premise in the old cannon wouldn't be an outsider.
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Post by: Belmontoya on February 23, 2014, 11:15:21 AM
What's the big deal with mechs? They're a futuristic weapon that scientists are actually trying to develop along with powered exoskeletons.

This is the first Castlevania game that takes place in the future that actually shows us what that future looks like. We can't be afraid to look. You're going to see futuristic weaponry.

Which was the smart thing to do.

It wasn't smart. It was lazy. I suspect they had the idea to put the game in the future, and then came to find they had no idea what to make that future look like.
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Post by: jormungand on February 23, 2014, 11:17:53 AM
Kid Dracula? Instantly denied. You're just stretching at this point.
Still, none of these examples are even close to being ED-209's. Sorry, but those are not good comparisons.

Hope you know that David Cox loves Kid Dracula series tough.

Based on your judgement, ED-209 is an automaton not a mech btw.

So with this I rest my case and hope to talk about something else.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 23, 2014, 11:19:30 AM
Poor Thin Man, Poor automatons, Poor robots that appeared in Kid Dracula series. Poor Mecha Knights and the Gear Steamer from Castlevania Bloodlines....

Bleh, kids these days.

Don't forget this little guy...
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Gatling_Knight (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Gatling_Knight)
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Post by: jormungand on February 23, 2014, 11:24:38 AM
Don't forget this little guy...
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Gatling_Knight (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Gatling_Knight)

Lol spot on!
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 23, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
I think he clarified with his post below saying he mant that this game fits more into the Castlevania tone than Lords 1 and a game with a similar premise in the old cannon wouldn't be an outsider.
Visually/art direction, I'd agree. But he said Alucard acts the same, so they're the same.

Visually, I do have to say, it's exactly how a 3D CV SHOULD look. The thing with MS's CVs(even the Vampire Castle/Carmilla/Bernhard Castle in the first one and the art direction of MoF), it seems to carry on the more fanciful looking look as the IGAvanias. Basically, lot of Baroque style, even in times that pre-dates that era and artistic movement(both MS and IGA's guilty of showing that style in the Crusades era of CV). IMO, that's fine, as it's something I prefer over more historical accurate style.

Oddly enough, while I might've griped about LoS in the past(most of it has to do with the gameplay, mainly the arena traps where you are locked in a room/area and can't leave until you clear it of enemies, as well as the horrible QTE and faux platforming such as shimmying, scooting, plankwalking and ledge crawling. But stuff like the robots and such aren't that bad, IMO. After playing the demo, it felt the least "offensive" to my tastes(Dracula controled pretty easily and was able to dispatch enemies fairly quickly, unlike in LoS, which it seemed like EVERYTHING was a tank and Gabriel was weak as fuck against them).
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Post by: Kamirine on February 23, 2014, 11:46:21 AM
DragonSlayr81 clarified what I meant.  :)

Guess who got the game?
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I've played it two hours, I just needed to come here and say this is so good. And the Stealth is one room. Really? is that it? Oh.


Be sure to tell us what you think!  I'm very curious about the overall gameplay and boss battles.
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Post by: e105beta on February 23, 2014, 11:49:07 AM
UGH, I WANT THIS GAME NOW!

WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY!?!?
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Post by: dienekes96 on February 23, 2014, 11:51:13 AM
The stealth they are talking about is no doubt the Agreus section.  The rat stealth sections are fun and pretty easy.  The Agreus stealth section is another thing entirely.  The problem is that they only give you 50% of the advice.  The bell to deal with the hunter they share, but it isn't as important as you may think.

What really matters is using Mist to walk across the sections of leaves you have to cross.  Prior to mist, I died about 18 times.  Once I figured out when and how to use Mist, I died about two or three times.

Such a frustrating section, I absolutely believe that it cost the game points.  That said, once you know what to do, it is merely a speedbump in a pretty impressive game.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 23, 2014, 11:53:02 AM
Diving back into spoiler territory a bit but here's the Agreus stealth segment where reviewers were throwing a bitch fit at:

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Granted, he probably retried this a million times but it seems that these stealth sections feels like they're overblown a bit by reviewers.
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Post by: Kamirine on February 23, 2014, 12:01:29 PM
UGH, I WANT THIS GAME NOW!

WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY!?!?

Because Cox gets to point and laugh while he plays his own copy. All while he sits and watchs these posts about wanting to play his game. He is getting strength from our tears, sir.  He is getting strength from our tears.
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Post by: Shiitake on February 23, 2014, 12:03:55 PM
it is a metroidvania. Pure and simply. Believe me. Take my word from it. If Darksiders is a Metroidvania, if Arkham Asylum is a metroidvania, this is one too. Yes, you can backtrack everywhere and anytime.

A true Metroidvania game forces you to backtrack to progress with minimal guidance, right?
In LoS2 that's is optional, you can backtrack for upgrades, collectibles, extras if you want. I've just beat the Leaked Edition and never used the wolf medal, not once. And your mission is always marked on your map. So may I say LoS2 looks quite a lot but not work much like a metroidvania?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 23, 2014, 12:07:16 PM
Diving back into spoiler territory a bit but here's the Agreus stealth segment where reviewers were throwing a bitch fit at:

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Granted, he probably retried this a million times but it seems that these stealth sections feels like they're overblown a bit by reviewers.
Wow, he made that look pretty easy.
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Post by: e105beta on February 23, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
Diving back into spoiler territory a bit but here's the Agreus stealth segment where reviewers were throwing a bitch fit at:

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Granted, he probably retried this a million times but it seems that these stealth sections feels like they're overblown a bit by reviewers.

Would I be bad person for saying that actually looked...fun?

Reminded me of those sections in Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, Hyrule Castle and Forgotten Fortress. The latter was particularly annoying, but boy was it satisfying to beat.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 23, 2014, 12:15:23 PM
Would I be bad person for saying that actually looked...fun?


Nah you wouldn't be a bad person.

Crazy? Maybe, but not bad.
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Post by: uzo on February 23, 2014, 12:18:08 PM
Hope you know that David Cox loves Kid Dracula series tough.

Based on your judgement, ED-209 is an automaton not a mech btw.

So with this I rest my case and hope to talk about something else.

I like Kid Dracula too, but it's a parody. LoS2 is serious business, or so it thinks it is at least.

And I've been using many different references with mechs, piloted and unpiloted to make sure I cover all bases. They're all mechs.

Dracula fighting gundams is just lame. There are some things that just stick out like a sore thumb, and that is definitely making the list.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 12:19:07 PM
A true Metroidvania game forces you to backtrack to progress with minimal guidance, right?
In LoS2 that's is optional, you can backtrack for upgrades, collectibles, extras if you want. I've just beat the Leaked Edition and never used the wolf medal, not once. And your mission is always marked on your map. So may I say LoS2 looks quite a lot but not work much like a metroidvania?
To go to certains parts of the city you must backtrack and use abilities you didn't have before. Same with the castle. That is not optional.
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Post by: dienekes96 on February 23, 2014, 12:19:23 PM
Maybe it is fun when you know what you are doing.  Until you figure it out, it is pretty frustrating.  Now that y'all know via that snazzy video, you might actually enjoy it.
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Post by: crisis on February 23, 2014, 12:22:46 PM
@uzo

are you completely ruling out the possibility of you ever playing los2, or are u just skipping it for now & perhaps consider revisiting it sometime in the future
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Post by: e105beta on February 23, 2014, 12:28:01 PM
Nah you wouldn't be a bad person.

Crazy? Maybe, but not bad.

After all that anti-hype, "designed by satan" as Ahasverus said on Neogaf, I'm honestly disappointed.

It looks no worse than those goddamn moblins in Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, so if that's what they mean by insta-fail stealth, then I don't see the problem.

Maybe it is fun when you know what you are doing.  Until you figure it out, it is pretty frustrating.  Now that y'all know via that snazzy video, you might actually enjoy it.

Again, so was Forgotten Fortress. That was at the beginning of the game and I remember getting caught over and over and over again. And it was long, too.

I feel like "frustrating" nowadays is always considered mutually exclusive with "good", which while I can understand, I disagree with.
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Post by: uzo on February 23, 2014, 12:28:48 PM
@uzo

are you completely ruling out the possibility of you ever playing los2, or are u just skipping it for now & perhaps consider revisiting it sometime in the future

I can't say I'll never play it. I don't have enough narrative investment to care about the story, so I'm not jumping up and grabbing it immediately. I doubt I'll pay more than 5$ for it on Steam if I ever do buy it at all. I'd be much more likely to play it if someone I knew were to have gotten it and lent it to me, though I know no one locally who likes the LoS games at all so that's out.

It'll probably fall on my plate for study purposes at some point or another though.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 23, 2014, 12:32:09 PM
After all that anti-hype, "designed by satan" as Ahasverus said on Neogaf, I'm honestly disappointed.


To be fair, I think he was being sarcastic.
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Post by: crisis on February 23, 2014, 12:37:12 PM
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I can't say I'll never play it. I don't have enough narrative investment to care about the story, so I'm not jumping up and grabbing it immediately. I doubt I'll pay more than 5$ for it on Steam if I ever do buy it at all. I'd be much more likely to play it if someone I knew were to have gotten it and lent it to me, though I know no one locally who likes the LoS games at all so that's out.

It'll probably fall on my plate for study purposes at some point or another though.

Dumb and Dumber- So you're telling me there's a chance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM#)
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Post by: Dremn on February 23, 2014, 12:44:44 PM
Would anyone be against a thread discussing our final thoughts on the LoS saga as a whole?
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 12:49:53 PM
You can't go back to the throne room after the endgame? lame :P
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Post by: crisis on February 23, 2014, 12:54:02 PM
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Would anyone be against a thread discussing our final thoughts on the LoS saga as a whole?

should wait till the game is [officially] released so everyone can give an equal opinion
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Post by: thernz on February 23, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
Lords of Shadow 2 gameplay videos so far make it seem more in the vein of Curse of Darkness than Symphony of the Night. Like a major point for a good metroidvania is having multiple branches/paths you can take. Maybe a bit like Metroid Fusion, since the game is basically pushing you to fulfill objectives all the time, though Lords 2 isn't as open.

Not that having a linear structure is inherently bad or anything though (Order of Ecclesia).

Would anyone be against a thread discussing our final thoughts on the LoS saga as a whole?
just make a new thread
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Inccubus on February 23, 2014, 01:11:31 PM
There is a demo already. Albeit short, but a demo none the less. It hits what is likely to be the core of the game in a small bite size.

You really have no leg to stand on here. You're just looking to get away with free games while using some bullshit justifications. Just admit you're a petty thief or keep it to yourself.

A lot of assumptions in those statements.
That demo isn't good enough for me. If you don't like it, that's your problem.

I've never hidden the fact I download whatever I please from companies I have an ideological problem with.
At least I have the balls to admit it and actually do something about the corporate bullshit.

I am many things, sir, but petty isn't one of them. I neither need justification nor anyone's approval for the way I do things.
I support gaming companies that I feel deserve it. And when I say I delete the games I don't like and buy the ones I do you can take that to the bank.

Meanwhile, if your fear drives you to make up your own justifications for not liking my methods, that's your prerogative.

...
...
...
Now. Despite the fact that I'm completely serious about my view on this subject. I have to wonder how many of those that chose to draw this out realized that I'm partially trolling the fanboy/boyscouts? I even drew out curses from some of you.
I find it incredible no one even tried to argue why downloading the full game and only buying afterwards might be wrong or even any different from playing the demo instead in a real way.
We'll see if I even bother to download this. Walkthrough videos better wow the hell out of me.

Also, pirates don't need legs. ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on February 23, 2014, 02:16:23 PM
For those who are not going to buy the game and just want to see the end (their loss the game is magnificent).

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Post by: cerebralbore on February 23, 2014, 02:31:34 PM

 Thanks @Agreus for all yours impressions about the game. I don't entry in this forum in the last day and its good find argumented impressions. You only get my hype up like a volcan !

 @Bergaron, you are tempt my saintliness whit this link about the end of the game. ARGGGGGGGGG
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 23, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
A true Metroidvania game forces you to backtrack to progress with minimal guidance, right?
In LoS2 that's is optional, you can backtrack for upgrades, collectibles, extras if you want. I've just beat the Leaked Edition and never used the wolf medal, not once. And your mission is always marked on your map. So may I say LoS2 looks quite a lot but not work much like a metroidvania?

Not really. See: Metroid Fusion.

Backtracking happens in a linear fashion. Only the backtrack for itens is completely on the hands of the player.
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Post by: EstebanT on February 23, 2014, 02:40:37 PM
So I don't care about specifics... But there are optional bosses right?
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 23, 2014, 02:59:00 PM

 About the Backtracking, I (and millions of players) can said that, when is a obligatory bactracking, are a annoying resource to stretch out the game, like in Metal Gear 1, when you have to do it to recover the fucking sniper rifle; seriusly, there are someone who this kind of things likes fun?? REALLY???!!
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Post by: Dremn on February 23, 2014, 03:02:52 PM
For those who are not going to buy the game and just want to see the end (their loss the game is magnificent).

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Can't wait until someone uploads the Death battle footage. I want to see that again.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 23, 2014, 03:15:35 PM
About the Backtracking, I (and millions of players) can said that, when is a obligatory bactracking, are a annoying resource to stretch out the game, like in Metal Gear 1, when you have to do it to recover the fucking sniper rifle; seriusly, there are someone who this kind of things likes fun?? REALLY???!!
Why not?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 03:22:37 PM
You really can't access either throne room. That's lame.

The optional bosses seem to be incluided in the Kleidos challenges but those are hard.

lol there is
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Post by: DraculaFan1981 on February 23, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
I'm stuck at the part where you have to find the second acolyte. Does anyone know how to get past the 3 Golgoth Guards?
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 04:08:45 PM
I'm stuck at the part where you have to find the second acolyte. Does anyone know how to get past the 3 Golgoth Guards?
It's the worst. Use bats in the first two bats, walk to the door without using mist, turn into mist just before you touch the door guard light, run to the door and pray for your life.
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Post by: Foffy on February 23, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
Has there been a list of optional bosses yet? I mean, if this is to be a genuine Metroidvania, you absolutely need entirely optional areas.
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Post by: cerebralbore on February 23, 2014, 04:30:30 PM
Why not?

 Do that a gamer retrace his steps obligatory, no, it's not fun. Come back to the same stages, the same enemies in the same places, why? why not use new stages? new situations? It's too easy recycle the own game and after said that is really long game with X hours... Optional backwards for those who want all the secrets? Ok. Do backwards yes or yes, like a nazi? FUCK NO
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DraculaFan1981 on February 23, 2014, 04:32:06 PM
It's the worst. Use bats in the first two bats, walk to the door without using mist, turn into mist just before you touch the door guard light, run to the door and pray for your life.

Thanks! I just got past it.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 23, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
About the Backtracking, I (and millions of players) can said that, when is a obligatory bactracking, are a annoying resource to stretch out the game, like in Metal Gear 1, when you have to do it to recover the fucking sniper rifle; seriusly, there are someone who this kind of things likes fun?? REALLY???!!
Backtracking can be fun if they don't try to bog you down while doing so. In SotN, let's use this as an example, it doesn't take you long to backtrack in certain areas because either you know how to avoid the enemies/are familiar enough to take safe routes, or you are at a level/have enough abilities to make any obsticle a breeze. For example, you can backslide, double jump over enemies in your way, and might be strong enough to dispatch most with a single hit. That makes backtracking easier to swallow.

Now, when fighting is a chore(enemies are tanks), and sometimes you get locked into rooms where you have to clear them just to procede, that's where I'd find annoyance while backtracking. And this isn't just on the LoS series, as IGA did this in LoI and CoD too. To put that in an equivalent of JRPGs, that's like playing a game where the random encounters are high and running into monster after monster with each step WHILE retreading areas you already explored. Basically, backtracking's only as good as the developers allow you to have fun while doing it.
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Post by: DraculaFan1981 on February 23, 2014, 04:42:45 PM
Right before the second acolyte, Trevor led me into a room with lightning and statues. What do I do there?
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Post by: EstebanT on February 23, 2014, 05:01:15 PM
Now, when fighting is a chore(enemies are tanks), and sometimes you get locked into rooms where you have to clear them just to procede, that's where I'd find annoyance while backtracking. And this isn't just on the LoS series, as IGA did this in LoI and CoD too.
I don't remember that being the case at all. I remember LOI, COD,LOS, and MOF making you clear rooms only the first time, when backtracking you can totally skip.
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Post by: Hagathrom on February 23, 2014, 05:09:24 PM
Would anyone be against a thread discussing our final thoughts on the LoS saga as a whole?

I think that this would be a grand idea. As I can see the standard for future Castlevania Titles being that if its not up to the expectations of titles like Lament of Innocence, SOTN , or MS's Dracula The Lords of Shadow Trilogy its doomed to failure.
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Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 05:17:22 PM
Has there been a list of optional bosses yet? I mean, if this is to be a genuine Metroidvania, you absolutely need entirely optional areas.
Please show me the optional areas of Arkham Asylum. Let's not start creating false barriers. The optional content is hard to access as those challenges are no joke and not only you need to unlock them by getting really rare kleidos nails but you need to get a certain amount of medals to access the next challenges. I won't do that and I'm sure that will be for super enthusiasts only.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 23, 2014, 05:18:33 PM
Right before the second acolyte, Trevor led me into a room with lightning and statues. What do I do there?
Nothing. Return to the acolyte, then go back there.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 23, 2014, 06:29:01 PM
I don't remember that being the case at all. I remember LOI, COD,LOS, and MOF making you clear rooms only the first time, when backtracking you can totally skip.
That's not the case at all.
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Post by: DraculaFan1981 on February 23, 2014, 06:40:31 PM
Nothing. Return to the acolyte, then go back there.

Thanks. Just beat Zobek and this is my last question. Where was Satan summoned?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 23, 2014, 06:48:22 PM
Thanks. Just beat Zobek and this is my last question. Where was Satan summoned?

I'll fill that in.

Think, If you were summoning Satan, where's the last place anyone would look for you?
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Post by: DraculaFan1981 on February 23, 2014, 07:14:32 PM
I'll fill that in.

Think, If you were summoning Satan, where's the last place anyone would look for you?

I'm almost at the Cathedral, but there's burning debris in the way.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 23, 2014, 07:16:25 PM
I'm almost at the Cathedral, but there's burning debris in the way.

Look around for a gate on the right side and use mist, it's really easy to miss.
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Post by: DraculaFan1981 on February 23, 2014, 07:19:11 PM
Look around for a gate on the right side and use mist, it's really easy to miss.

Thanks, just found it.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 08:27:17 PM
The toy maker. Holy crap, the toy maker section. 11/10 :o
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Post by: Kingshango on February 23, 2014, 08:32:39 PM
The toy maker. Holy crap, the toy maker section. 11/10 :o

Charming wasn't it?
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Post by: MKKhanzo on February 23, 2014, 08:49:20 PM
 Regarding the ending:

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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
I'm about to do the fight I've looking forward the most. After all these years, days and nights of anticipation, finally, YOU will fall against me
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
Double post because I DON'T FUCKING CARE HOLY SHIT
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Post by: RichterB on February 23, 2014, 09:42:51 PM
There are some ironic statements here about how it has flaws, but it can be improved upon. I could have said the same thing about the N64 era of games, and have, and would be just as valid in saying so. Second, MS is being praised for doing different things, even if they don't all work out. So, now that's OK? People threw a fit about the N64 games trying new things that were more in line with Castlevania in 3D. Anyway, I plan to wait on LoS2. I wasn't looking for a SotN 2.0, if that's even what it is, and while some of it looks interesting, it looks like it still has too much wailing on tank enemies with combos, which is not part of Castlevania. Cox came out today and said 2D Castlevania is not possible anymore, but I want a different kind of 3D Castlevania.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 09:50:39 PM
There are some ironic statements here about how it has flaws, but it can be improved upon. I could have said the same thing about the N64 era of games, and have, and would be just as valid in saying so.
The 64 games were all around flaws with some cool things worth improving upon. There's a difference. This game delivers. They are like Yin and Yang.
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Post by: RichterB on February 23, 2014, 09:55:14 PM
The 64 games were all around flaws with some cool things worth improving upon. There's a difference. This game delivers. They are like Yin and Yang.

I'm not convinced at what cost for the franchise it delivers. But to each their own, and I'm glad others are enjoying it. I may enjoy it well enough as a game like I enjoyed LoS1, but I don't know that it'll do what I want for Castlevania. From what I've seen, I think the intangibles were more in the N64 games. But that's me. I do think they answered some flaws from the previous entries, or combined some of the better elements from flawed entries...but it doesn't address a lot of my core problems from what I can see. I just don't want Konami to say, okay, it's nailed here, let's follow this formula and direction, because that might turn me off even more. And I was already turned off during the overkill of Castleroids past the GBA era.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 09:59:41 PM
Fair enough pal.

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About to face the final battle. Wish me luck.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 23, 2014, 10:49:14 PM
DAT final battle. Did they outsource that to Platinum games or something?  ;)

I'm too tired and overwhelmed to post a full review, perhaps tomorrow, but I'm more than satisfied. What a game, what a ride. What a ride these years have been guys, these years with you.

Time to celebrate! Cheers, and thank you Mercury!
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 23, 2014, 11:57:32 PM
THE TEMPTATION, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Post by: Kart!k on February 24, 2014, 12:49:01 AM
Hey guys could anyone explain the role of alucard in this game without spoiling anything
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 24, 2014, 01:09:48 AM
Hey guys could anyone explain the role of alucard in this game without spoiling anything
"In the name of my Mother, I will defeat you again."

lol
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Post by: Kart!k on February 24, 2014, 01:35:33 AM
"In the name of my Mother, I will defeat you again."

lol
He is a Boss/Mini boss?
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 24, 2014, 01:45:14 AM
He is a Boss/Mini boss?
Don't know, I don't have the game, and didn't spoil myself the game. This line is from SotN, but seeing what happened in MoF, it could totally happen.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 24, 2014, 01:49:53 AM
Hey guys could anyone explain the role of alucard in this game without spoiling anything

He is important. He is a key character.

I cannot say more since I know the spoilers.  ;)
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Post by: Kart!k on February 24, 2014, 02:39:44 AM
He is important. He is a key character.

I cannot say more since I know the spoilers.  ;)
Thanks  :)
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 24, 2014, 02:45:21 AM
@ Ahasverus:

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Post by: MKKhanzo on February 24, 2014, 05:03:34 AM
Cox came out today and said 2D Castlevania is not possible anymore.

LOL why? Because they cant, nobody can then? HA
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Post by: Kamirine on February 24, 2014, 05:20:31 AM
LOL why? Because they cant, nobody can then? HA

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Coming from a GamesTM interview with David Cox, producer of the Castlevania: Lords of Shadows series...

I think those days (of 2D Castlevania games) are gone, yes. I think hardcore gamers would love to play another 2D Castlevania, but the reality is that it’s a very niche market and Konami really want this series to be mainstream again. We took this direction in order to reach that bigger audience, otherwise we would have carried on with the 2D approach. That’s not to say I don’t think there will ever be another 2D game in the series, it might happen but just not from MercurySteam. When you look at the future on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, I don’t think people want to play 2D games on those consoles. Core gamers may still want something like that, but there’s an expectation among the wider public for big, epic games.

Meanwhile, I am looking forward to the very 2D Child of Light and Mercenary Kings on my PS4.  I just like games: I don't care what 'D' it's in.  I guess I'm in the minority, niche market.  :'(
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Post by: jormungand on February 24, 2014, 05:21:26 AM
Finished the game last night after 12+hours.
I was highly disappointed by the final battle and the ending. Now I realize that many parts of the story are very nonsensical or illogical. (Like Dracula being able to use elevators and light switches without hesitation) Also, they waste characters with good potential like Victor Belmont.

Too bad, this was one of my most anticipated games of the year.  :'(
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Post by: Kamirine on February 24, 2014, 05:26:50 AM
Finished the game last night after 12+hours.
I was higlhy dissapointed by the final battle and the ending. Now I realize that many parts of the story are very nonsensical abd illogic. Also, they waste characters with good potential like Victor Belmont.

Too bad, this was one of my most anticipated games of the year.  :'(

If you don't mind me asking:  what came off as illogical or nonsensical?  And was the final fight still good but just lack luster after
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Post by: Flame on February 24, 2014, 05:34:10 AM
Finally got my code from GMG. preloading now.

by the way, I'd like to say how good it feels that it is installing over the demo version. That's just glorious.
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Post by: jormungand on February 24, 2014, 05:40:59 AM
If you don't mind me asking:  what came off as illogical or nonsensical?  And was the final fight still good but just lack luster after
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Well I need to explain it with spoilers so if you haven't played the game don't read ;)

Nonsensical like:
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About the final battle
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Post by: Intersection on February 24, 2014, 07:09:31 AM
LOL why? Because they cant, nobody can then? HA
Just ignore Cox's occasionally idiotic comments. He's been making them for years now.

DAT final battle. Did they outsource that to Platinum games or something?  ;)

I'm too tired and overwhelmed to post a full review, perhaps tomorrow, but I'm more than satisfied. What a game, what a ride. What a ride these years have been guys, these years with you.

Time to celebrate! Cheers, and thank you Mercury!
Glad to see you back on track, Ahasverus. But keep in mind that some of us don't have their LoS2 copy yet, and that you're not exactly easing the wait...  :-\
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 24, 2014, 07:12:51 AM
The game's only out on the 27th in Europe, but I'll try to get my copy earlier. I can't wait anymore.  :o
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Post by: Intersection on February 24, 2014, 07:27:19 AM
Launch trailer.

[New & Official] Launch Trailer HD [Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGRipzDePT4#ws)
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 24, 2014, 07:28:36 AM
Saw the end video posted earlier in the thread...

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The toy maker. Holy crap, the toy maker section. 11/10 :o
It was an interesting break of pace(in a good way). Too bad...
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Post by: thernz on February 24, 2014, 07:42:10 AM
Uhh, I have a major plot question about the castle.
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Post by: Agreus on February 24, 2014, 07:47:44 AM
Uhh, I have a major plot question about the castle.
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One of the supposed plot holes isn't one.
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Post by: thernz on February 24, 2014, 07:56:59 AM
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Post by: Agreus on February 24, 2014, 08:09:44 AM
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No, it is physical but is triggered through Dracula's mind. In other words, he can manifest the true Castle.
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Post by: jormungand on February 24, 2014, 08:10:45 AM
Something that I forgot to add that maybe is going to disappoint a lot of you.

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Post by: uzo on February 24, 2014, 08:22:32 AM
LOL why? Because they cant, nobody can then? HA

That Mercurysteam arrogance again...
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 09:00:15 AM
Something that I forgot to add that maybe is going to disappoint a lot of you.

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We knew that. Since long ago. That's not a dissapointment at all.
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Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 09:10:20 AM
if Konami opts out of making anymore 2D games an instead focus solely on big budget triple AAA+ EPIC OR GO HOME WE NEED THAT CALL OF DUTY AUDIENCE MONEY titles, then itll most likely hurt not only the franchise but the company in the long run & eventually put them in the current situation Capcom is in (although it seems they may be slowly regaining their senses with the release of Ducktales y Strider but they still gotta long way 2 go)

am not saiyan big budget CV games are bad in fact is just what the series deserves, its just that they need to keep original castlevania in tact at all costs or else like Zobech says it will become "a mere shadow of its former self" which many would agree is already happening (or has happened for the past few years now). tragic irony or poetic justice? u decide o.o;
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Post by: jormungand on February 24, 2014, 09:26:25 AM
We knew that. Since long ago. That's not a disappointment at all.

Well sorry sir. That's a disappointment for me then.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 24, 2014, 09:27:19 AM
That Mercurysteam arrogance again...
Not MS. Cox still works as an employee of Konami. MS =/= Konami. He might favor MS for undertaking projects, but that are still their own studio, just as Double Helix and Ninaj Theory are their own studios despite working on Capcom games.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 09:44:32 AM
Yeah, Mercury is not Cox' studio.
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 24, 2014, 09:50:58 AM
Guys once again my question to those who have played the game:

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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 09:53:06 AM
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Post by: Intersection on February 24, 2014, 09:55:27 AM
if Konami opts out of making anymore 2D games an instead focus solely on big budget triple AAA+ EPIC OR GO HOME WE NEED THAT CALL OF DUTY AUDIENCE MONEY titles, then itll most likely hurt not only the franchise but the company in the long run & eventually put them in the current situation Capcom is in (although it seems they may be slowly regaining their senses with the release of Ducktales y Strider but they still gotta long way 2 go)

am not saiyan big budget CV games are bad in fact is just what the series deserves, its just that they need to keep original castlevania in tact at all costs or else like Zobech says it will become "a mere shadow of its former self" which many would agree is already happening (or has happened for the past few years now). tragic irony or poetic justice? u decide o.o;
There are such things as AAA+ 2D games, you know. Classic Castlevania isn't necessarily synonymous with low budget.

In a way, "Epic or go home" is what we're looking for -- it's keeping the original Castlevanian design intact while pulling all of the modern stops to make an 'epic' contemporary CV that's also true to its name. We want big budget Castlevania -- not a low-priority franchise left on the monetary back-burner.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 09:58:45 AM
I agree. Look ar the new strider, that's AAA 2D, or Donkey Kong Returns. I want more of that.
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Post by: Bergaron on February 24, 2014, 10:00:59 AM
1) Cox is not the producer of the Castlevania (officially soon) series, the next Castlevania producer will decide , as Cox has done so far ( with the consent of the payer is Konami ) .

2) Cox gives YOUR OPINION not Konami , it's true they are a little big heads to explode LOS saga, but it will happen as the whim try to launch another title.

3) We can not deny that the market for 2D games is now occupied by the " indies " with titles for mobile and steam, Konami like Nintendo does not want to fight for games 2 and 3 euros. There is little profit margin. That runs counter to castlevania . Positive runs 3D/2D Nintendo remains the best-selling long and earnestly console is not a 3D game console ...

4) Will there be more Castlevaniaen 2D ? , 100 %, but only for portable consoles is contemplated .

5) MS manufactures custom games , it's a factory , they are paid to do the game and the marketing benefits and is fully in charge of Konami. You can blame them for an ending that you do not like, the camera , wanted to see catwoman in the game , for many things, but do not blame them for the future of Castlevania , they work to order ..

I have spoken  :-X
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 10:05:20 AM
I hope you are not leaving us anytime son Bergaron, what would be of us without you?  ;D
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Post by: Dremn on February 24, 2014, 10:08:22 AM
4) Will there be more Castlevaniaen 2D ? , 100 %, but only for portable consoles is contemplated .
This is all I needed to hear.

Konami please do not ever kill off 2D Castlevania. ;__;

I wonder if the next 2DVania will be a Metroidvania or something new. I would like to see Mercury Steam collaborate on a future title again as the lead art team, a 2D Castlevania with Mercury Steam's designs would be fantastic to see. MoF and LoS2 have really sold me on their excellent art direction.

Heck, I would love to see a 2D re-imagining of Lords of Shadow as a whole. I can only imagine how pretty those sprites would be.

Now a question about LOS2; is this an unused song?

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 Demo Soundtrack: The Throne Room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RHB0tMymn0#ws)

I haven't heard it once in the entire game so far.
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Post by: ZiggyAkaStardust on February 24, 2014, 10:19:13 AM
Could someone who has completed the game list all the bosses and their various forms you encounter in this game? I would appreciate that very much!
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Post by: EstebanT on February 24, 2014, 10:21:59 AM
That would be so awesome! Could somebody please do that?!
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Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 10:23:19 AM
that track isnt from lords of shadow at all its a track from something else that somebody thought went great with the los2 soundtrack
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Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 24, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
Another question:

Does anyone know when LoS 2 will be able to be played on Steam here in Germany/ Europe? I've bought the PC Version but I cannot play it yet.
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 24, 2014, 10:26:01 AM
that track isnt from lords of shadow at all its a track from something else that somebody thought went great with the los2 soundtrack
Nope, that track is from "Tron: Legacy" and was used as a placeholder by Oscar Araujo when the first demo was out.
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Post by: Dremn on February 24, 2014, 10:27:22 AM
Nope, that track is from "Tron: Legacy" and was used as a placeholder by Oscar Araujo when the first demo was out.
...really? Wow. .__.

Well, it's a great song and it fits Castlevania very well.
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Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 10:29:59 AM
waitaminute

how is it some of you are beating los2 so quickly? am willing to bet you guys put it on EASY MODE
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Post by: ZiggyAkaStardust on February 24, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
Someone please list all boss and I mean all and their various forms. That would be very much appreciated!
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Post by: jormungand on February 24, 2014, 10:33:49 AM
Someone please list all boss and I mean all and their various forms. That would be very much appreciated!

I can do that when I get home from work (in like 8 hours) :)
If someone wants to do that before I have no problem.
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Post by: Foffy on February 24, 2014, 10:35:08 AM
1) Cox is not the producer of the Castlevania (officially soon) series, the next Castlevania producer will decide , as Cox has done so far ( with the consent of the payer is Konami ) .

2) Cox gives YOUR OPINION not Konami , it's true they are a little big heads to explode LOS saga, but it will happen as the whim try to launch another title.

3) We can not deny that the market for 2D games is now occupied by the " indies " with titles for mobile and steam, Konami like Nintendo does not want to fight for games 2 and 3 euros. There is little profit margin. That runs counter to castlevania . Positive runs 3D/2D Nintendo remains the best-selling long and earnestly console is not a 3D game console ...

4) Will there be more Castlevaniaen 2D ? , 100 %, but only for portable consoles is contemplated .

5) MS manufactures custom games , it's a factory , they are paid to do the game and the marketing benefits and is fully in charge of Konami. You can blame them for an ending that you do not like, the camera , wanted to see catwoman in the game , for many things, but do not blame them for the future of Castlevania , they work to order ..

I have spoken  :-X

So, is the portable title the Akumajo Dracula game being considered by Konami? I believe it was you who implied Lords 3 or Akumajo were the next ideas going forward.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 24, 2014, 10:47:39 AM
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Post by: jormungand on February 24, 2014, 10:49:41 AM
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I tought the same. They wasted that character.
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Post by: Nagumo on February 24, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
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Post by: Intersection on February 24, 2014, 11:21:36 AM
What's up with all of the emoticons?
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Post by: ZiggyAkaStardust on February 24, 2014, 11:25:49 AM
Jormungand please do that and it would be great if you list every single boss you fought through the game and all their various forms. I would appreciare that very much!
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Post by: Kamirine on February 24, 2014, 11:30:58 AM
Please stop spamming the reviews.  It's kinda annoying.  Contribute more to the conversation then that.

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Post by: jormungand on February 24, 2014, 12:06:04 PM
Jormungand please do that and it would be great if you list every single boss you fought through the game and all their various forms. I would appreciare that very much!

Yep. Im at work right now so I'll do it when I arrive at home  8). I don't remember the names of all the bosses. They are not so many and they don't have secondary forms as far as I remember.
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Post by: e105beta on February 24, 2014, 12:11:39 PM
Please stop spamming the reviews.  It's kinda annoying.  Contribute more to the conversation then that.

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Depending on who you talk to, Alucard has always been the strongest person in Castlevania.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 24, 2014, 12:35:58 PM
Please, Konami, let the next incarnation shift back to the Belmonts and keep Dracula as the main villain. No more "let's play as Dracula". Hell, might I add a suggestion. Focus on the family feud, meaning show a little more about the Belmonts rather than the chosen hero set off to vanquish the evil. Show the family aspect, their parents upon sending their children out to protect the world, the siblings that bond with as children but are forced to leave behind and such. And the same for Dracula. Maybe it's time to write in Mircea and Radu into the continuity, re-establish Elizabeth Bartley into the closer ranks and so on(you could even write new siblings for Dracula). Focus on the Belmont family versus Dracula's family, something that CAN span decades.

Regarding this one...
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 24, 2014, 12:44:42 PM
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 24, 2014, 01:10:41 PM
WTF with all those newbies spamming reviews and asking for stuff about LoS2? That's almost more annoying that all those spoiler things. :-X
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Post by: Kingshango on February 24, 2014, 01:33:28 PM
WTF with all those newbies spamming reviews and asking for stuff about LoS2? That's almost more annoying that all those spoiler things. :-X

It's Somasworld or whatever, he's bodysurfing with new accounts.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on February 24, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
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Post by: Bergaron on February 24, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
I do not think it takes say, is obviously if you play the game, Victor will have more time in the history of LOS2 .. I think someone here complained about short time of Victor. Although, i don´t know why discarted the story of Sonia in LOS2. I hope she will included in the Victor DLC.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 24, 2014, 02:44:16 PM
I do not think it takes say, is obviously if you play the game, Victor will have more time in the history of LOS2 .. I think someone here complained about short time of Victor. Although, i don´t know why discarted the story of Sonia in LOS2. I hope she will included in the Victor DLC.

What? En español mejor jeje, tu crees que habrá un DLC de Victor? Ojalá :D
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Post by: e105beta on February 24, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
I do not think it takes say, is obviously if you play the game, Victor will have more time in the history of LOS2 .. I think someone here complained about short time of Victor. Although, i don´t know why discarted the story of Sonia in LOS2. I hope she will included in the Victor DLC.

Alucard DLC, AND Victor DLC?

Looks like I'm going to be buying plenty of DLC for this game
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 24, 2014, 02:49:46 PM
If Konami will milk LOS saga, they have to make a Victor game. He has wings, runs like hell, has a gauntlet, lost his eye, scarred like Simon. How? I think he deserves a game. I really liked the story of LOS2 but there are more implicit aspects that could do very well in a novel.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 03:21:39 PM
You're crazy telling Konami not to make a game featuring Dracula again. Playing as Dracula is awesome. You need ti play the game.

All in all, I'd rather not say Konami what they should do. I had never suggested for then to make a western reboot and now I'm pleased greatly. So, surprise me, Konami.

Edit: Sonia DLC? Say whaaaaat beegaron?  :O
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Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 03:30:05 PM
so either this game is still hella easy even when its on normal/hard difficulty, or you guys that already beat it just put it on the easiest n00b setting from the start

which is it?
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Post by: Dremn on February 24, 2014, 03:46:47 PM
You're crazy telling Konami not to make a game featuring Dracula again. Playing as Dracula is awesome. You need ti play the game.

All in all, I'd rather not say Konami what they should do. I had never suggested for then to make a western reboot and now I'm pleased greatly. So, surprise me, Konami.
The only thing I would suggest for Konami would be to never include Satan in the story ever again.

I still can't take him seriously even after LoS2.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 03:55:04 PM
Satan is more of. Vehicle than a character.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 24, 2014, 04:05:58 PM
Belmont as a main character.

Dracula as the main antagonist, no more origin story bs. Just make him the guy you fight at the end, plain and simple.

Traditional platforming.

Make it less llike God of War, or perferably nothing like God of War.

Make it challenging, yet fair.

Have more traditional Castlevania music, Get Yamane back if possible or someone of equal talent.

Have it set in a castle full of monsters from B horror movies and various mythologies.

Make a new timeline or set it in the old one, doesn't matter either way.

And finally:

Make it 2D, not 2.5D, not 2 half and 1/4 quarters, 2motherfuckinD.

BAM, there's you're Castlevania.

P.S: make it a Classicvania like Adventure Rebirth, Give the Metroidvania format a rest.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
No and no and no. I won't stand a return to Dracula being a silent villain at the end.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Totally agree with you, @Kinshango. Castlevania deserves a return to its roots.

To this far, and after spoiled myself almost everything, and after seen a few videos, and after all these years of LoS lore, I prefer to consider this saga as a spinoff of Castlevania, because you play as the main antagonist of it: Dracula. I want to play as a true blooded Belmont (not a Cronqvist bastard).

And I do not consider LoS 2 as a metroidvania, neither a SoTN 2.0. To me, metroidvania belongs to 2D, like Super Metroid or SoTN. Calling Darksiders and Arkham games metroidvanias is strange for me... And if LoS 2 is a SoTN 2.0 in terms of great sales, yes, is a SoTN 2.0...
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Post by: Maedhros on February 24, 2014, 04:38:49 PM
I just want something with good gameplay... is it too much to ask?

If I see a fucking "platforming" section in Castlevania ever again...
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Post by: Kingshango on February 24, 2014, 04:39:11 PM
Well I knew my suggestion's wouldn't please everybody but it is what it is. Sorry Ahaversus.

Anyway, some trivia regarding the ending from the leak guy and how it was originally gonna end:

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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 04:40:56 PM
That orignal ending was ballsy as fuck. But the man deserves a bone. Hi life is too tragic.

What does the leak guy say about Sonia?
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 04:41:41 PM
Oh and
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Forgive me about these, but Alucard reminds me to this guy:
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 24, 2014, 04:50:57 PM
So Ahasverus, there's or not real platforming sections on this game, now that you finished?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 24, 2014, 04:51:26 PM
Forgive me about these, but Alucard reminds me to this guy:
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nearly thew up in my mouth, thanks for reminding me of that game.

Oh and I left out another detail about the ending
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What does the leak guy say about Sonia?

He said that Mercurysteam has already moved on, so no(?)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 24, 2014, 05:11:00 PM
Well I knew my suggestion's wouldn't please everybody but it is what it is. Sorry Ahaversus.

Anyway, some trivia regarding the ending from the leak guy and how it was originally gonna end:

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Now, that is an actually interesting ending. Perhaps tragic, perhaps unforgiving, but so very fitting -- in other words, that is the ending that should have been.
Besides, Dracula's story it isn't meant to be black and white -- and it's definitely not a matter of "deserving a bone", either. This ending simply makes sense in context. The one Konami opted for seems completely at odds with the game's premise.

Oh and I left out another detail about the ending
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And this is very worrying...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: uzo on February 24, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
Belmont as a main character.

Dracula as the main antagonist, no more origin story bs. Just make him the guy you fight at the end, plain and simple.

Traditional platforming.

Make it less llike God of War, or perferably nothing like God of War.

Make it challenging, yet fair.

Have more traditional Castlevania music, Get Yamane back if possible or someone of equal talent.

Have it set in a castle full of monsters from B horror movies and various mythologies.

Make a new timeline or set it in the old one, doesn't matter either way.

And finally:

Make it 2D, not 2.5D, not 2 half and 1/4 quarters, 2motherfuckinD.

BAM, there's you're Castlevania.

P.S: make it a Classicvania like Adventure Rebirth, Give the Metroidvania format a rest.

I agree except for:

2.5D is great. I wouldn't mind that at all.

I don't really see a problem with having similar combat to God of War. I still don't understand the outcry on this one. THough you're asking for 2D gameplay anyway, so it's kind of a moot point either way.

I don't mind the exploration style, just lay off the RPG elements a bit. Lament was perfect in that you gained equipment, not level ups.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 24, 2014, 05:23:26 PM
The review embargo will be lifted at midnight according to IGN.

What shelter is strong enough for the shitstorm that is to come?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
I vote for a hack n´slash game, but please, without QTE, even if this can be turned off :P.

And I prefer a 2D sprite game over a 2.5D one, like DXC or MoF, I believe...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dremn on February 24, 2014, 05:31:28 PM
Oh and I left out another detail about the ending
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I also don't have an issue with 2.5D, as long as it looks great and everything on screen is readable.

I have a feeling whatever form 2D Castlevania takes next, it will be taking some cues from LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 05:33:37 PM
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I am afraid that is:
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dremn on February 24, 2014, 05:34:20 PM
I am afraid that is:
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: RichterB on February 24, 2014, 05:43:24 PM
I agree except for:

2.5D is great. I wouldn't mind that at all.

I don't really see a problem with having similar combat to God of War. I still don't understand the outcry on this one. THough you're asking for 2D gameplay anyway, so it's kind of a moot point either way.

I don't mind the exploration style, just lay off the RPG elements a bit. Lament was perfect in that you gained equipment, not level ups.

Just a brief reply from my perspective, and maybe it's redundant based on things I've said in the past:

1.) I wouldn't mind 2.5D as one format as long as it's done right with "pixel"-perfect jumping and hit detection (ala New Super Mario Bros). The DXC felt a bit off in that regard. Visual tricks like the river stage are very welcome, however.

2.) Now, as for the God of War combo combat problem, it ruins the action-platforming flow necessary in a classic Castlevania game, 2D or 3D. It becomes more about pre-set combos and dodges than player ingenuity mixing different attacks together while moving around the enemy. It also encourages tank-like enemies that slow the game down unnecessarily, and prevents jumping/platform combat, as you start into a combo every time you attack, thus making you susceptible to narrow death pits. Finally, it reduces the importance of sub-weapons to complement your attacks.

EDIT: This is the bare bones of what an ideal boss battle flow for Castlevania in 3D should be like, from LoD: Medusa: Castlevania Legacy of Darkness - Medusa (Carrie - Hard) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08-xfQdLfBE#)
Grim Reaper: Castlevania Legacy of Darkness - Death (Reinhardt - Hard) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9zh6OdaFQ#)

Carrie's fight is slightly distorted here because she has her magic powered up to max, which slows down some of Medusa's attacks--though, she eventually gets those off, as you see the result. Regardless, what you see here that's different and better than GoW or LoS is it's not a check/checkmate kind of fighting, where its input set button combo for maximum damage, dodge roll, come back and repeat. It is organic, moving around with your control stick, sticking in short attacks when there is an opening like in classic Castlevania. You can do a lot of different tricks, too, including the usage of various sub-weapons to differect effects, or mix in slides and close-quarters slashes while jumping at the enemy. Same for the fight with Death. It feels a lot faster and much less robotic than God of War. That's the best I can explain it right now. One less specific way of saying it is there's not a separation between the boss battles and the main gameplay of fighting and platforming; they flow into one another naturally for whatever you need to do.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 05:45:48 PM
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Yes, you are right, but I can think of anyone...

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 24, 2014, 06:27:37 PM
Yes, you are right, but I can think of anyone...

They'll probably throw in somebody new, or an enemy from the old timeline.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 06:28:29 PM
So Ahasverus, there's or not real platforming sections on this game, now that you finished?
There are far more than LoS1, but shyiming is still the main traversal platfforming. that being said, controls and collision issues are mostly addressed. And I think there won't be a sequel. Spiritual sequel maybe (a new reboot with polished LoS gameplay). The ending is conclusive.
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 06:29:40 PM
They'll probably throw in somebody new, or an enemy from the old timeline.

I prefer a totally new character. Serioulsy, I want to LoS mantains as a spinoff saga.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 06:39:12 PM
The ending is conclusive.
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That´s not the Dracula I remember :(.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 24, 2014, 06:42:54 PM
That´s not the Dracula I remember :(.
I remember him a bit like that in the ending of SOTN, while dying though.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 06:50:22 PM
I remember him a bit like that in the ending of SOTN, while dying though.

You are right. I think is because he is refering to his wife and his son. But apart of that, I cannot remember other situation like that...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 24, 2014, 07:01:25 PM
There are far more than LoS1, but shyiming is still the main traversal platfforming. that being said, controls and collision issues are mostly addressed. And I think there won't be a sequel. Spiritual sequel maybe (a new reboot with polished LoS gameplay). The ending is conclusive.
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I would like a prequel where you play as the founders. they could go full CV3 mode with it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 07:04:30 PM
@Ahasverus

so u must have died only a handful of times from start to finish? or is it still a lil bit moderately difficult while playing on easy mode  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 24, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
question:

I'm going to insta turn off QTE's.

if im doing that, should I turn the difficulty to hard to compensate?

im not sure on it. QTE's are usually the brunt of the difficulty in these games, since they are split second timing things, and turning them off feels like easymode. but I also dont want to go balls deep into hard mode and fuck myself over in combat as well
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 07:17:23 PM
im most likely gonna leave it on normal while QTE's are off then work my way up, that way the game will be more satisfying after all those challenging battles

i really think the reason most ppl that got the game early that beat it so early with little effort mainly for bragging rights lol. theres no way these guys are revealing everything about the game so early if they were playing thru it on normal or hard. either that or the game is just stupidly simple no matter what difficulty is on
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 24, 2014, 07:20:08 PM
Totally agree with you, @Kinshango. Castlevania deserves a return to its roots.

To this far, and after spoiled myself almost everything, and after seen a few videos, and after all these years of LoS lore, I prefer to consider this saga as a spinoff of Castlevania, because you play as the main antagonist of it: Dracula. I want to play as a true blooded Belmont (not a Cronqvist bastard).

And I do not consider LoS 2 as a metroidvania, neither a SoTN 2.0. To me, metroidvania belongs to 2D, like Super Metroid or SoTN. Calling Darksiders and Arkham games metroidvanias is strange for me... And if LoS 2 is a SoTN 2.0 in terms of great sales, yes, is a SoTN 2.0...

You know, this is the only comment that rustles my jimmies anymore.

There's nothing more "true blooded" about Leon Belmont or any of the original canon Belmonts than Gabriel Belmont or any of the LoS Belmonts. At some point, Leon had an ancestor with no last name, and someone called him "Belmont" and thus the Belmont last name was born. Same thing in LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 24, 2014, 07:24:07 PM
Surprised that nobody mentioned this, but doing QTE's give you extra exp, so im guessing that disabling them give you no extra exp.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 07:26:59 PM
You are right. I think is because he is refering to his wife and his son. But apart of that, I cannot remember other situation like that...
What part of reboot you don't get?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 24, 2014, 07:31:25 PM
question:

I'm going to insta turn off QTE's.

if im doing that, should I turn the difficulty to hard to compensate?

im not sure on it. QTE's are usually the brunt of the difficulty in these games, since they are split second timing things, and turning them off feels like easymode. but I also dont want to go balls deep into hard mode and fuck myself over in combat as well

It's shitty design, fake difficult. Turn then off as they fucking sucks 100% of the time.

I always play games on hard.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 07:34:11 PM
What part of reboot you don't get?

Well, I dont like the term "reboot" since the beginning. I respect LoS as a game, but nothing more...

EDIT: I see the two timelines or "cannon" as without get merged.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 24, 2014, 07:34:20 PM
Forgot to ask: is LoS2 stealth any good? Does it feel justified?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 07:35:44 PM
You know, this is the only comment that rustles my jimmies anymore.

There's nothing more "true blooded" about Leon Belmont or any of the original canon Belmonts than Gabriel Belmont or any of the LoS Belmonts. At some point, Leon had an ancestor with no last name, and someone called him "Belmont" and thus the Belmont last name was born. Same thing in LoS.

Yes, but at least, neither Leon nor his descendents become Dracula, isn´t?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 07:36:42 PM
i mean if anyone of these leakers that are posting all this info here acquired the game Saturday and finished it late Sunday or earlier today then that just means u took the easy method of beating it (or all these guys are just superduper hardcore elite gamers that beat 20+ hour games in 24 hours after theyre released). im not judging, whatever floats ur boats guys to each their own

i just cant buy a game ive been waiting several years for, just to put it on easy & be done with it in no time. a lot of the fun in these types of games is getting your ass kicked several times, then finally defeating it once you figure out a good strategy to overcome said obstacle. such a satisfying feeling, which is why i take pride in saying i conquered the entire devil may cry or ninja gaiden series on the hardest settings. very rarely do i ever set any game i play on "easy mode." am i the only 1 here that feels this way?

usually it takes me at least a week to finish a game of this calibur. factor in other priorities (work, errands, etc.) i just dont have time to sit down & complete a 20 hour game in 1 sitting.


or maybe u guys just used the strategy guides? either way i never buy those either. if i get stuck somewhere i just look up hints on youtube lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 24, 2014, 07:38:10 PM
Yes, but at least, neither Leon nor his descendents become Dracula, isn´t?
They would have been unless IGA hadn't retconned Sonia.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 07:40:32 PM
Yes, but at least, neither Leon nor his descendents become Dracula, isn´t?
Leon is every bit as retcon as Gabriel could be, the old series' first Belmont was Trevor, plain and simple (some would Argue Sonia was too) IGA just wanted to feel important. LoS is a reboot, it exists, that's what it is, what you think or not is irrelevant.
Forgot to ask: is LoS2 stealth any good? Does it feel justified?
No and no. Sadly the worst part, happily it lasts 5 minutes max.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 07:47:23 PM
Leon is every bit as retcon as Gabriel could be, the old series' first Belmont was Trevor, plain and simple (some would Argue Sonia was too) IGA just wanted to feel important. LoS is a reboot, it exists, that's what it is, what you think or not is irrelevant.

Well, the same could be said of all of our comments, not pal? I mean, you want to LoS be part of the canon, isn´t? But MS and Cox insist that is a different story, am I wrong? So, if you think that is the same canon, is irrelevant too.

If is a reboot, there is a lot of history to tell. Remember Cox words: "Forget all you know about Castlevania". ´Nuff said...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 08:00:03 PM
Well, the same could be said of all of our comments, not pal? I mean, you want to LoS be part of the canon, isn´t? But MS and Cox insist that is a different story, am I wrong? So, if you think that is the same canon, is irrelevant too.
I never said that. And if I did, that was irrelevant too. There is no "much story to tell", the LoS story is whatever the LoS team needs it to be, it doesn't have to be 25 games leading nowehere like old series. Or it could. Whatever they want.

 Some of you people should stop masking your insecurities covering the sun with the tip of your finger.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 24, 2014, 08:01:21 PM
When it comes to the future of the Castlevania series, I think Konami is going to continue in the LOS universe. Them going back to the original timeline would be like a step backwards, as most people would not be familiar with what is going on and would become confused quickly. The fact that Konami wanted the ending changed is just proof that they have plans for a Lords of Shadow 3, be it a prequel or a sequel. (assuming LOS2 sells well, of course) Personally, as lackluster as that ending and final battle was, I'd rather them end it here than have 10-15 games in one universe before deciding "Uh-oh, we're running out of spaces in the timeline! Time to reboot!"

If Castlevania is going to not run into the same problems the original series did, the developers need to think of ways to push the series' gameplay forward and not rehash the same basic style of gameplay from seven games prior. Granted, not every problem the original series had was controllable. (games being released back when plots in video games weren't all that strong) Having every game in the series being about the Belmonts would only lead to it getting stagnant in the long run, especially if they all have the same basic abilities and backgrounds. Same thing with Dracula being the last boss of nearly every game in the series. Who said that Dracula had to be the final boss? Why not give a gameplay and story reason for some other monster/malevolent being/whatever to be the last boss, be it Death, Walter Bernhard, Carmilla, Frankenstein, or even a rogue Belmont who is the final boss because <insert whatever well-executed plot point here>?

My point is that, with a title as generic as Castlevania, you could make it about pretty much anything as long as a castle is involved in some way or another.

At the end of the day, though, I am happy with whatever Castlevania game is released as long as it's fun to play. That's part of the reason why I plan on getting LOS2 tomorrow because, as unsatisfying as the ending and final battle is, what matters when I'm playing a game is if I am having fun and not whether the game has any connection to the old timeline. (not that that's a bad thing, though that wouldn't apply to LOS2) Granted, the reviews for the game will sway how soon I will be getting the game, but I still think I will enjoy the game in spite of it's flaws.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on February 24, 2014, 08:01:34 PM
Belmont as a main character.

Dracula as the main antagonist, no more origin story bs. Just make him the guy you fight at the end, plain and simple.

Traditional platforming.

Make it less llike God of War, or perferably nothing like God of War.

Make it challenging, yet fair.

Have more traditional Castlevania music, Get Yamane back if possible or someone of equal talent.

Have it set in a castle full of monsters from B horror movies and various mythologies.

Make a new timeline or set it in the old one, doesn't matter either way.

And finally:

Make it 2D, not 2.5D, not 2 half and 1/4 quarters, 2motherfuckinD.

BAM, there's you're Castlevania.

P.S: make it a Classicvania like Adventure Rebirth, Give the Metroidvania format a rest.

Pretty much all of this. I don't mind if Dracula has some more character development but I'm easy either way. Also I'm fine with both 2.5D and 3D but really I'm good with whatever.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jormungand on February 24, 2014, 08:05:35 PM
As requested, here's the list of all the bosses in LOS 2.

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And thats it.
I don't listed some sub-bosses because after you defeat them, they spawn as normal enemies.


Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 08:08:12 PM
I never said that. And if I did, that was irrelevant too. There is no "much story to tell", the LoS story is whatever the LoS team needs it to be, it doesn't have to be 25 games leading nowehere like old series. Or it could. Whatever they want.

 Some of you people should stop masking your insecurities covering the sun with the tip of your finger.

The only thing that I said, is that I dont want a Belmont turning Dracula. I dont understand your complaint. For all past and present post from you, it seems that you want the history of LoS being merged with the old canon (IGA or not IGA). I mentioned that I dont remember other situation with a "human feeling" Dracula in the old canon. Then you mentioned that what part of the reboot I don´t get it. Maybe we get confused in that part, I am sorry. And apply your last statement with yourself, too...

EDIT: And I refer that is a lot to history to tell, because someone here give the information that the ending for LoS 2 is intended for posible sequels...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 08:15:10 PM
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I'd rather them end it here than have 10-15 games in one universe before deciding "Uh-oh, we're running out of spaces in the timeline! Time to reboot!"

well put it this way, if they do decide to go the 10-15 game route which would take a decade or 2, i doubt you or any of us would care cuz we'd be grown-ass adults with children & careers & other important priorities to worry about the direction this series has taken

most likely when we're in our 40's when buying Christmas presents for our kids we'll notice the latest castlevania game in the store & say "hey, i remember being really invested in those games, glad to see its still alive" & move on
as opposed to "ugh i hate the way this series has turned into which is why i have bratty kids & a shit job now i hate my life"
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 24, 2014, 08:17:25 PM
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The only thing that I said, is that I dont want a Belmont turning Dracula.
That's ok. I get that. It was a really sensitive change and I can get why some poeple are upset. Whoever I think while in the old cannon that's unthinkable, that's the whole basis for the LoS cannon, and as they're separate, there's really no point for pointing the finger at LoS for things on the original series.
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For all past and present post from you, it seems that you want the history of LoS being merged with the old canon (IGA or not IGA).
That's not true. I once said I could see MS using some kind of plot device to reset things merging the new and the old cannon, but I wasn't hoping for that, and of course, that didn't happen.
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. I mentioned that I dont remember other situation with a "human feeling" Dracula in the old canon. Then you mentioned that what part of the reboot I don´t get it.
Lamment of Innocence (ugh) SOTN and Portrait of Ruin disagree with you.
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And I refer that is a lot to history to tell, because someone here give the information that the ending for LoS 2 is intended for posible sequels...
I personally don't think so. The stakes can't be raised that much, to be honest. At all. Think of it more like the Legacy of Kain: Defiance ending. It was open but conclusive.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on February 24, 2014, 08:20:02 PM
well put it this way, if they do decide to go the 10-15 game route which would take a decade or 2, i doubt you or any of us would care cuz we'd be grown-ass adults with children & careers & other important priorities to worry about the direction this series has taken

most likely when we're in our 40's when buying Christmas presents for our kids we'll notice the latest castlevania game in the store & say "hey, i remember being really invested in those games, glad to see its still alive" & move on
as opposed to "ugh i hate the way this series has turned into which is why i have bratty kids & a shit job now i hate my life"
My plan is to have said kids be CV fans too. So, I'll be caught up on all the latest CV gossip
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 08:20:23 PM
well put it this way, if they do decide to go the 10-15 game route which would take a decade or 2, i doubt you or any of us would care cuz we'd be grown-ass adults with children & careers & other important priorities to worry about the direction this series has taken

most likely when we're in our 40's when buying Christmas presents for our kids we'll notice the latest castlevania game in the store & say "hey, i remember being really invested in those games, glad to see its still alive" & move on
as opposed to "ugh i hate the way this series has turned into which is why i have bratty kids & a shit job now i hate my life"

Totally agree. I have to admit that my first impression to the LoS saga where of hate. Mostly the Cox point of view. But, in the time, I learn to see and judge LoS as a game. Its difficult in times, after reading some post here, but in the end, I will always love Castlevania for what is really are for me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 24, 2014, 08:27:58 PM
@Ashasverus:

Sorry again if I was to start a fight. I dont inted to do it.

Sorry too, I need to read that posts... I trust you.

Well, Lament of Innocence have not Dracula in it. But a "human feelings" Mathias  is true. That´s what I like from LoI, because is like in the Francis Ford Coppola movie. I need to play PoR again to remember such a thing.

And I hope that the trilogy is end with LoS 2. For me, is enough with that. A good comparision with LoK Defiance; I love that saga too :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 24, 2014, 08:29:01 PM
PC Version of LoS2 gets HD Texture Pack, must be enabled via advanced settings.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 24, 2014, 08:37:20 PM
PC Version of LoS2 gets HD Texture Pack, must be enabled via advanced settings.
source?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 24, 2014, 08:54:21 PM
You're crazy telling Konami not to make a game featuring Dracula again. Playing as Dracula is awesome. You need ti play the game.

All in all, I'd rather not say Konami what they should do. I had never suggested for then to make a western reboot and now I'm pleased greatly. So, surprise me, Konami.

Edit: Sonia DLC? Say whaaaaat beegaron?  :O
Dracula as hero is done for. There's only so much you can do with him. I'd rather the next incarnation focus on something else(a new interpretation that doesn't star Dracula as the main hero).

No and no and no. I won't stand a return to Dracula being a silent villain at the end.
No one said he'd return to a being a silent villain. Refrain from jumping to conclusions. You really can't go back to the type of storytelling of pre-LoS CVs, so if they'd continue on in a different direction, and a new villainous Dracula returns as the ruler of Wallachia/Transylvania, I'd expect him to be very deep and well written. Just because some one's a villain doesn't mean the can't be well written. I mean, if anything, that would make such a game better, considering the main villain of the LoS(Satan), is hardly well written himself. Satan's kinda what Dracula was in the original canon, just "there" to be twarted.

Leon is every bit as retcon as Gabriel could be, the old series' first Belmont was Trevor, plain and simple (some would Argue Sonia was too) IGA just wanted to feel important. LoS is a reboot, it exists, that's what it is, what you think or not is irrelevant. No and no. Sadly the worst part, happily it lasts 5 minutes max.
Technically, the old series' first Belmont was Christopher, but later changed that to Trevor, then Sonia(retconned), then Leon. And IGA's creation of LoI had little to do with feeling important that trying to explain why, in SotN's manual, it stated Dracula to be an "estimated 800 years old", which would mean he's older than his real world counterpart, Vlad III. Whether IGA was the one who concieved the notion of Dracula to be "over 800" or it was Toru Hagihara(probably most likely), IGA felt it was his job(after becoming the main "Castlevania Guy") to explain why. Personally, I don't think it would've mattered. To think Dracula as being over 800 in the late 1700s kinda makes him more mysterious than usual, and that kind of mystery I can live with NEVER being explained. 

As requested, here's the list of all the bosses in LOS 2.

(click to show/hide)

And thats it.
I don't listed some sub-bosses because after you defeat them, they spawn as normal enemies.
So it looks like there's no hidden bosses, if that's the complete list.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 24, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
source?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/239250/ (http://store.steampowered.com/app/239250/)

Just updated today, in bold letters
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: mgfcortez on February 24, 2014, 09:02:19 PM
well put it this way, if they do decide to go the 10-15 game route which would take a decade or 2, i doubt you or any of us would care cuz we'd be grown-ass adults with children & careers & other important priorities to worry about the direction this series has taken

most likely when we're in our 40's when buying Christmas presents for our kids we'll notice the latest castlevania game in the store & say "hey, i remember being really invested in those games, glad to see its still alive" & move on
as opposed to "ugh i hate the way this series has turned into which is why i have bratty kids & a shit job now i hate my life"

well 1st off i'm 37 years old played castlevania as a kid and still care about the direction this series has taken.
no way i'm going to act like glad to see its still alive" & move on sure i hate my job and shity life but castlevania is a happy point in my life and will always care where its going.
now after seeing the new game from start to end i say its a great game i like it a lot but it really shits on the old time line at some places witch pisses me off.
but what can you do i still love the new game i just keep the old time line and the new game apart in my mind and its all good:P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 24, 2014, 09:03:04 PM
http://store.steampowered.com/app/239250/ (http://store.steampowered.com/app/239250/)

Just updated today, in bold letters
Ah ok. I was checking the store page and hadnt seen it lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 24, 2014, 09:03:56 PM
Ah ok. I was checking the store page and hadnt seen it lol
I only noticed it in the steam forums, lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 24, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
augh, when does the steam version unlock its already 12:30 already
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 24, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
Quote
No one said he'd return to a being a silent villain. Refrain from jumping to conclusions. You really can't go back to the type of storytelling of pre-LoS CVs, so if they'd continue on in a different direction, and a new villainous Dracula returns as the ruler of Wallachia/Transylvania, I'd expect him to be very deep and well written. Just because some one's a villain doesn't mean the can't be well written. I mean, if anything, that would make such a game better, considering the main villain of the LoS(Satan), is hardly well written himself. Satan's kinda what Dracula was in the original canon, just "there" to be twarted.

IGA also hinted at some possibilities on CV games that had other villains besides Dracula all the time

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Figa2-2.png&hash=d0316e49f5104baa28b7fee59fd9ce9f)


me myself? i always thought, should they use Dracula as the "protagonist" again in the future, they should set it from Mathias' point of view; a game taking place a century after the events of Lament of Innocence (leave the exact year ambiguous, like they did with OoE). kinda like a reverse-AoS where we have Mathias now known as Vlad Tepes (yet still not infamously known as Dracula) on his quest to conquer the demon realm by collecting souls from demons & vampires alike. which would ultimately lead him to conflict with Galamoth, explaining why he holds a grudge against him. throw in some interesting narrative such as Vlad's struggles to shed all his human emotions & become truly ruthless (only for it all to basically be thrown out the window once he meets Lisa, and we all know how that turns out & what it does to Dracula's psyche), perhaps some ancestor rivalry, etc. this particular setting is ripe with potential imo

or instead, like IGA said, make a game that has Shmeegel Belmont hunting a powerful vampire lord like Olrox or a reimagined Guilles De Rais sometime in the 12th century (again leaving exact year ambiguous) & Dracula will be completely absent (or, just there "behind the scenes")

now THAT i would love to see
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on February 24, 2014, 11:15:26 PM
me myself? i always thought, should they use Dracula as the "protagonist" again in the future, they should set it from Mathias' point of view; a game taking place a century after the events of Lament of Innocence (leave the exact year ambiguous, like they did with OoE). kinda like a reverse-AoS where we have Mathias now known as Vlad Tepes (yet still not infamously known as Dracula) on his quest to conquer the demon realm by collecting souls from demons & vampires alike. which would ultimately lead him to conflict with Galamoth, explaining why he holds a grudge against him. throw in some interesting narrative such as Vlad's struggles to shed all his human emotions & become truly ruthless (only for it all to basically be thrown out the window once he meets Lisa, and we all know how that turns out & what it does to Dracula's psyche), perhaps some ancestor rivalry, etc. this particular setting is ripe with potential imo

I was never crazy about any Dracula origin story to begin with... But this sounds like a fun idea, if only because being set in a Demon Realm would essentially force developers to come up with some outlandish and freaky locales.

So if anyone sets out to buy LoS2 tomorrow, here are my two questions at this point-

Is the 360 version still two discs?

Can tutorial texts be turned off? (ie, those saying "You can't access this area now, come back later" or "Press R2 to expunge the phalanges" etc etc)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 24, 2014, 11:21:01 PM
I was never crazy about any Dracula origin story to begin with... But this sounds like a fun idea, if only because being set in a Demon Realm would essentially force developers to come up with some outlandish and freaky locales.

So if anyone sets out to buy LoS2 tomorrow, here are my two questions at this point-

Is the 360 version still two discs?

Can tutorial texts be turned off? (ie, those saying "You can't access this area now, come back later" or "Press R2 to expunge the phalanges" etc etc)

1. 360 version is single disc

2. Text hints can be turned off and are unavailable on the hardest difficulty. However you'll still have to deal with the camera stopping you to show you where to go and the glowing bits.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 25, 2014, 12:02:16 AM
Guys again, it would be awesome if there would be discussion about Lords of Shadow 2, about contents of the game etc and not about new IGA games. Don't know why it is discussed to death in this thread. I am not against IGA isucssions, but please not in this thread.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 12:03:32 AM
Guys again, it would be awesome if there would be discussion about Lords of Shadow 2, about contents of the game etc and not about new IGA games. Don't know why it is discussed to death in this thread. I am not against IGA isucssions, but please not in this thread.
Welcome to the Castlevania Dungeon Forums, enjoy your stay.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Munchy on February 25, 2014, 12:13:38 AM
1. 360 version is single disc

2. Text hints can be turned off and are unavailable on the hardest difficulty. However you'll still have to deal with the camera stopping you to show you where to go and the glowing bits.

Ooh! Both are very good things! Not that I've decided which version to buy or even if I'm going to buy it any time soon, but that makes the choice much easier. Earth Defense Force 2025 may have to take priority for now.

I wonder what was different between the first one and the second that it was able to fit on one DVD?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 25, 2014, 12:22:20 AM
Gametrailer: 8.3
Gamespot: 7
Ign: 6.5

I copied this text from a gamfaqs topic:

"Surprise, they don't like it.

Footnotes:

-the reviewer gets hung up on the stealth sections
-talks about god of war a lot
-complains about the city in particular not being gothic or interesting enough
-right after posts a stunning vista of the city that says "absolutely beautiful",
-later in the review the visuals and environments are praised for being gothic
-Vague complaints about the story
-complaining about modern enemies
-gushes about the "open" world structure to the point where the score doesn't seem quite right
-outright refers to the original LoS as "stellar"  "

Well, they didn't like the first LoS either so that's okay/ nothing unexpected. The Gamespot score isn't actually that bad, better than I expected. The Gametrailers score is outright great.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on February 25, 2014, 12:31:08 AM
A lot of reviews coming right now, some people like it, some people don't and some people were drunk because their text makes zero sense. I have the feeling that some media outlets have a hidden agenda no matter if the game is good or bad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 12:40:48 AM
An important French gaming website gave the game a 16/20. http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00019373-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-test.htm#infos (http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0001/00019373-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-test.htm#infos)

Conclusion (from the X360/PS3 version):

Good points
- Good design... (1)
- Great battle system
- Epic bosses
- Fabulous OST
- Non-linear adventure
- Length is very good, especially if you go for 100%

Bad points
- (1) but some sci-fi environments didn't work well
- Environments are less diverse than in the first one
- Not perfect on a technical point of view
- Loading is sometimes long (which is stupid, as they said in the main test that loading wasn't a problem...)
- Teleportation system is bad
- Some gameplay sequences are overused (maybe stealth, but they liked it)
- The camera is sometimes blocked in some small places
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 12:44:00 AM
For fuck's sake, LinusBelmont, stop spamming all those reviews... Plus you don't have them all, and it's just fucking annoying. Grow up and come back in 10 years (or don't).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on February 25, 2014, 01:14:15 AM
I don't mind seeing reviews but could you tone down the emoticons? They're an eye sore.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 25, 2014, 01:32:42 AM
IGN Germany gave it a 7 at least: http://de.ign.com/review/22375/review-zu-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2 (http://de.ign.com/review/22375/review-zu-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 25, 2014, 01:53:50 AM
Linus,
If you are going to post about the review scores, please use the modify button (to keep the reviews in one reply) if the thread is still on that page. Too many review scores on a page makes it look ugly and might deter people from posting their comments.
You may want to start a new post regarding the review scores if the thread is already on the next page.

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Now back to the discussion on LOS2.
I've watched the ending. I didn't like it.
I'll just wait for those who have the game to say their comments.

As for the future of the series... I don't know what would happen.
Well, I was actually looking at the Konami's Consolidated Financial Results for 2013. And there was only one mention of Castlevania. They seem to focus more on other things.
Anyway, here's the report for those who are interested.
http://www.konami.co.jp/zaimu/2014/0206/en_mh2txw.pdf (http://www.konami.co.jp/zaimu/2014/0206/en_mh2txw.pdf)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 25, 2014, 01:55:15 AM
@LinusBelmont

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FjiFfM.jpg&hash=6c1264cf37eaaccccb1b5b4a79058bd6)

In other developments, for those of you who have the PC version of LOS2, is it possible to mod the game? As in, does it come with development tools to make mods ala Unreal Tournament? Just curious.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 02:01:04 AM
In other developments, for those of you who have the PC version of LOS2, is it possible to mod the game? As in, does it come with development tools to make mods ala Unreal Tournament? Just curious.
If you find a way to reimport files into a .packed file, I'll make a music mod for the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Silverlord on February 25, 2014, 02:09:04 AM
Eurogamer awarded a 5.  I feared they would corroborate the Edge score . . .

Quote
The ferocity of the combat - it's bluntly realised at times, but it's undeniably potent - means that Lords of Shadows 2 is a little more fun over the long term than its many failings might suggest. It's generally a pleasant enough way to fritter away 15 or 20 hours, but you're unlikely to see anything new or distinct, or even to experience the panoramic opulence the original adventure provided.


The CVG review seems brutally honest despite the high mark they've awarded.

Quote
LoS2 feels closer to Metroid Prime than Symphony of the Night ... Drac even gets his own morph ball, with the power to possess rats and scuttle through vents.

Cutscenes yank him between locations, serving up the world as self-contained segments that give little impression of a cohesive whole.

The rubbish map screen only has two settings: 'microscopic room detail' or 'looking down from space'.

we know a loading screen when we see one. Especially when we see one every four minutes.

automated platforming ... Wonky world building and platforming so wooden

Castlevania City doesn't hang together organically ... this is a linear world pretending to be open.

lack the speed of God of War and the depth of a Platinum brawler
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LinusBelmont on February 25, 2014, 02:29:16 AM
Lords of Shadow 2 - Reviews from all around the world
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Lords of Shadow 2 - Reviews from all around the world
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gametrailers.com 8.3

es.ign.com (Spain) 7.9

ign benelux 8.3

officialplaystationmagazine.co... 8

PlaystationUniverse.com 9

GamesBeat 8

psx-sense.nl 8.0

theaveragegamer.com Great

gamepro.de 85 / 100

videogameszone.de 79 %

thisisxbox.com 90 %

games-news.de 84 / 100

onlysp.com 8 / 10

jeuxactu.com 17 / 20

multiplayer.it 7.3

videogiochi.com 7.5

gameswelt.de 7.5 / 10

pushsquare.com 7 / 10

kritikanstvo.ru 8 / 10

gamezilla.komputerswiat.pl 7 / 10

lesnumeriques 4 / 5

gameblog.fr 4 / 5

gamestar.de 80

gamekyo.com 7 / 10

CVG 8

heavy.com 9/ 10

thearabgamer.com 8.5 / 10

insidegamingdaily.com 7.5 / 10

venturebeat.com 80 / 100

gamesided.com 8

joystic.com 4 / 5

play3-live.com 17 / 20

EGM 7.0

gamespot 7

Bgamer review: 9.0

Pelaaja(Finnish magazine): 9/10

Gamereactor(Swedish mag): 8/10

totalxbox 8/10

baziwood 95 / 100

vidoe-games aktuell 81/100

video-gamer (french magazin) 17/20

jeuxvideo.com 16 / 20

maniac 85 / 100

gamas 80 / 100

gameininformer 6 /10

edge 4/ 10
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 25, 2014, 02:45:32 AM
Meh, you know what other game had mediocre scores? MGRising. I don't know if most of the press is willing to play 15 hours and learn some mechanics anymore. If I hadn't played it I would be scared, but I did and I liked it so meh.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LoneChild on February 25, 2014, 02:58:34 AM
Linus, just stop it, please. You got annoying two pages ago already.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 25, 2014, 03:31:15 AM
Im gotta be honest, these reviews aren't as harsh as I thought they would be. I thought it was gonna get murded and end up getting below 6 across the board, turns out all it got was a schoolyard beatdown where the kids become friends in the end.

But like my sig says, this hypetrain stops for no number.

P.S. Holy fuck Kotaku 4 hours on Agreus!? Really!? Even Bloodworth from Gametrailers called you a chump!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Silverlord on February 25, 2014, 03:53:00 AM
Meh, you know what other game had mediocre scores? MGRising. I don't know if most of the press is willing to play 15 hours and learn some mechanics anymore. If I hadn't played it I would be scared, but I did and I liked it so meh.

I'll stick pick up a copy, definitely.

I've avoided spoilers, expectations are in check, so Lords 2 may indeed surprise me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Hagathrom on February 25, 2014, 04:23:07 AM
http://kotaku.com/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-the-kotaku-review-1530389490 (http://kotaku.com/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-the-kotaku-review-1530389490)

And another reviewer who gave the game an F cause it took forever to get past
Agreus.

Really Kotaku maybe you guys just suck at playing games.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kamirine on February 25, 2014, 04:24:26 AM
Already bought and playing it, so screw reviews. Coming up on the infamous Agreus part soon.  I'm going to time myself on it for shits and giggles.

So far, I don't think it's too bad.  I like it more than LoS, in terms of it being/feeling more like a Castlevania game, atmosphere wise.  Or rather, the castle parts. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on February 25, 2014, 04:26:43 AM
Where is the review guy? I have some bad news for him  :'(

http://www.gamerankings.com/ps3/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/articles.html (http://www.gamerankings.com/ps3/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/articles.html)

American press is diving HARD this game (as expected)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 04:31:47 AM
Don't forget: be your own judge.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 25, 2014, 04:40:06 AM
Enough already Linus, stop spamming review scores.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Hagathrom on February 25, 2014, 04:50:37 AM
...I fully expect to spend most of my time backtracking through entire areas to find everything... 3 weeks of fun here I come.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 05:16:05 AM
It's times like this I'm glad I loved Mirror of Fate.

Otherwise, I'm not sure my hype meter would have been able to take this butchering.

But really Kotaku? 4+ hours? Something stinks around here and it's not the game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 25, 2014, 05:20:43 AM
why hasn't anything been done about Linus's spamming the same reviews?

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 25, 2014, 05:42:15 AM
linus needs to cut that shit out. bots aren't this annoying
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on February 25, 2014, 05:45:27 AM
Technical comparison between PC/360/PS3

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-lords-of-shadow-2-face-off (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-lords-of-shadow-2-face-off)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: REmaster on February 25, 2014, 05:46:41 AM
Hey folks, been awhile.

The day has finally arrived, and I'll be picking up the game in about two hours. To those that already have the game or plan to pick it up, I hope it's a fun ride and I look forward to discussing it with you guys when I'm done.

Enough talk...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 06:12:27 AM
As annoying as Linus is, why are almost none of his reviews on Metacritic? It'd bump the Metascore at least 10 points
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LinusBelmont on February 25, 2014, 06:18:55 AM
As annoying as Linus is, why are almost none of his reviews on Metacritic? It'd bump the Metascore at least 10 points

people are being idiotic to mention metacritic, as that doesnt even factor in a mass majority of the reviews, and are mostly highly profitable review sites and not the smaller review sites

im seeing way more good than bad reviews, except most bad reviews seemed to find there way on to metacritic whill the good ones go ignored,
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jormungand on February 25, 2014, 06:25:47 AM
Well, I got a 7 for my review and I got past Argeus on my third attempt. I don't know why this "expert" reviewers from trusted sites had problems with that section.
But all the reviews, even mine, complain pretty much about the same: The story is a wasted opportunity and the ending is the worst joke in the series after Castlevania Judgment,
(If someone wants to watch my review I can get the link but be aware...it's in Spanish)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 25, 2014, 06:35:39 AM
I don't know what game they're playing.  Anything less than5 is broken, a 6 just works, LoS  isn't broken and works very well. I'm living on Planet Bizarro or something?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 06:51:29 AM
I don't know what game they're playing.  Anything less than5 is broken, a 6 just works, LoS  isn't broken and works very well. I'm living on Planet Bizarro or something?

Stealth sections man. They didn't make any friends. I guarantee you if they were not in the game there would be a 10-20% score increase across the board.

And in the immortal words of Colin Moriarty:
"It lacks the gothic atmosphere that makes previous games in the series feel distinct and memorable...even the various areas he explores in the past don’t feel or look all that interesting, either" and yet "the world and everything in it is so beautiful. Lords of Shadow 2 is a pretty game"

? ? ? ? ? ?

Or here's a score breakdown from Now Gamer:

Quote
Graphics 5.0 / 10
Sound 3.5 / 10
Gameplay 3.5 / 10
Longevity 4.0 / 10
Multiplayer N/A / 10
Overall 4.0 / 10

5/10 for graphics...really? Really?

I don't want to sound like the social justice warrior gamer, but I feel like a lot of reviewers went into this game WANTING to dislike it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on February 25, 2014, 07:08:18 AM
Not 'mods are asleep', at least not with me.
More like 'I don't want to be spoiled'... but yes, these posts are annoying.  Will remove these and that stupid sink.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 07:13:10 AM
Or here's a score breakdown from Now Gamer:
That's pure trolling (or they're IGA fanatics...)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LinusBelmont on February 25, 2014, 07:21:24 AM
Stop spamming reviews.

Thank you.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 25, 2014, 07:22:41 AM
Those nefarious IGA provocateurs!

And come on with the spamming about the reviews. Any one of us can google 'lords of shadow 2 reviews' to get the same info.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 07:25:21 AM
That's pure trolling (or they're IGA fanatics...)

Eh, I've seen so many "bring back IGA!" comments in the comments sections it's just a given that everyone would rather be playing SotN 2.

But seriously, it's like the same thing with the Metro review:

http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/25/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-review-dracula-sucks-4317289/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/25/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-review-dracula-sucks-4317289/)

What is it with the British and these stupid graphics comments? Did they all go to some party and decide, "Hey guys, we need another point of contention." "Hmm, how about that the graphics suck?" "Sure, that sounds great. Let's put that in our reviews."

I'm not seeing  the complaint come from anywhere else but the UK.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LinusBelmont on February 25, 2014, 07:29:23 AM
helle to everyone !!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

you wanna see the metracritic-world-scores from Lords of Shadow 2  ?????

here you can see it !!!!! we all love castlevania :) :) :)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/68635768?page=4 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/68635768?page=4)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: The Silverlord on February 25, 2014, 07:57:26 AM
What is it with the British and these stupid graphics comments?

They're not all bad, surely?

Eurogamer does reveal that, 'There are moments of real artistry - few games have splintered marble with such style or lit dripping pipework so indulgently  - and Dracula's castle offers treats like a cathedral spire surrounded by loops of chains, set in the noble darkness of a cave.'

CVG lists ‘gorgeous art design’ as a positive.

Mind, Edge is scathing.  Here's the very review that will probably go down in Castlevania history:
http://www.edge-online.com/review/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-review/ (http://www.edge-online.com/review/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-review/)

Quote
Even more shocking than the unimaginative visual design is how rough it all looks. Running at 720p, but seemingly rendered some way south of that, this is a jagged mess, with texture work that at times wouldn’t look out of place in a PS2 game. It’s compounded by the fact this is arriving at the fag end of a generation, when expectations are that much higher.

Speaking as a Brit myself, I think we can say that's bollocks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 08:04:05 AM
They're not all bad, surely?

Eurogamer does reveal that, 'There are moments of real artistry - few games have splintered marble with such style or lit dripping pipework so indulgently  - and Dracula's castle offers treats like a cathedral spire surrounded by loops of chains, set in the noble darkness of a cave.'

CVG lists ‘gorgeous art design’ as a positive.

Mind, Edge is scathing.  Here's the very review that will probably go down in Castlevania history:
http://www.edge-online.com/review/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-review/ (http://www.edge-online.com/review/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-review/)

Speaking as a Brit myself, I think we can say that's bollocks.

Fair enough. I just noticed a trend that all of the graphics comments were coming out of British publications. It's nice to see that it's not an all encompassing opinion.

That Eurogamer review, while I might find the score harsh, was actually very fairly written. As I've said before, from what I'm reading I will most likely adore this game, but I can see where reviewers are taking issue with it.

I just think the 4s and 5s are extraordinarily harsh, given the standards most publications have set for reviews.

EDIT: Honestly, since I know I'm not going to get a Castlevania game with the same level of atmospheric artistry again anyway post-MercurySteam, I just hope this gets enough sales to justify that Victor DLC Bergeron was talking about, since I assume the Alucard DLC is still on the way.

Also, MoF currently has a higher Metascore than this. Wut?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 25, 2014, 08:16:08 AM

 The spanish gamers are burning the forums of the spanish's magazines. The magazines are losing their credibility and the readers want justice.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 25, 2014, 08:18:54 AM
Question: Is anyone else from Europe not able to Play this game yet? It's 17:19 here in Germany but I cannot Play LoS yet. WTF?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 08:21:52 AM
Question: Is anyone else from Europe not able to Play this game yet? It's 17:19 here in Germany but I cannot Play LoS yet. WTF?
The game is released in two days in Europe...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 08:25:16 AM
The spanish gamers are burning the forums of the spanish's magazines. The magazines are losing their credibility and the readers want justice.

I take it Spain doesn't like the game?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 25, 2014, 08:32:59 AM
And so LoS2 is a critical failure. It's definitely a disappointment, but not altogether unexpected. Worst of all, I can't really call out individual critics for being particularly harsh, since more than half of the reviews published (including those I trust most) are decidedly negative, and essentially share the same complaints.
But I will have to fully play through the game before giving my final opinion.

Still, from reading these reviews, I'm also picking up the some of the same symptoms LoS had: if there is a general consensus, it's that LoS2 is stellar in combat and enemy design, but pronouncedly mediocre in nearly everything else.
It seems I'll just have to enjoy the combat for what it is, and try ignore the rest...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 25, 2014, 08:34:54 AM
And I've had enough of those ridiculous score lists.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 25, 2014, 08:39:16 AM
I take it Spain doesn't like the game?

 The magazines had qualify the game whit 7,7,5 and 8 (the three more biggest online magazines). The users doesn't belive then: think that others worse games with more fame and well support get notes better than CLoS2 and that doesn't deserves (Call of dutys, Assassins Creeds, God of wars). Useres belive that magazines are buy off by the companies and that the reviews are not subjetives. Practically the 99% of the users that went buy the game, still want it. Spanish users won't let that LoS2 faint.

 Las revistas han calificado el juego con 7, 7,5 y 8 (las 3 revistas online más conocidas). Los usuarios no las creen: piensan que peores juegos con más fama y mejor soporte mediático han conseguido notas que LoS2 y no se lo merecían (como Call of Duty, Assassins Creed y God of war). Los usuarios piensan que las revistas están untadas en manteca por las grandes compañías y que sus análisis, no son subjetivos. Prácticamente el 99% de los usuarios que iban a comprar el juego, siguen con esa decisión. España al menos no dejará que CLoS2 desfallezca.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 08:48:41 AM
And so LoS2 is a critical failure.
Considering those scores, and the only 3-4 bad reviews, I don't see where the critical failure is. Most of the reviews are praising the game.

Or do you think a game with an average review of 7-8 out of 10 is bad?  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 08:50:09 AM
The magazines had qualify the game whit 7,7,5 and 8 (the three more biggest online magazines). The users doesn't belive then: think that others worse games with more fame and well support get notes better than CLoS2 and that doesn't deserves (Call of dutys, Assassins Creeds, God of wars). Useres belive that magazines are buy off by the companies and that the reviews are not subjetives. Practically the 99% of the users that went buy the game, still want it. Spanish users won't let that LoS2 faint.

 Las revistas han calificado el juego con 7, 7,5 y 8 (las 3 revistas online más conocidas). Los usuarios no las creen: piensan que peores juegos con más fama y mejor soporte mediático han conseguido notas que LoS2 y no se lo merecían (como Call of Duty, Assassins Creed y God of war). Los usuarios piensan que las revistas están untadas en manteca por las grandes compañías y que sus análisis, no son subjetivos. Prácticamente el 99% de los usuarios que iban a comprar el juego, siguen con esa decisión. España al menos no dejará que CLoS2 desfallezca.

Hmm, I figured Spain was handing out the best reviews.

Go Spain! Buy 1,000,000 copies of LoS!

It's only 1/47th of your entire population :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 25, 2014, 08:53:14 AM
And so LoS2 is a critical failure.
Hyperbole at it's finest. -__-
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 25, 2014, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Intersection
And so LoS2 is a critical failure.

It only got three scores below a 5, everything else are 7's and 8's, which if I can recall are not exactly "failing."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 25, 2014, 08:58:41 AM
Sorry, I was looking at Metacritic. But the game isn't a critical success, either.

EDIT: the site compounded 12 reviews in the 60's range or below (PS3 and X360 included).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 09:01:23 AM
Sorry, I was looking at Metacritic. But the game isn't a critical success, either.

No, it isn't. This game won't be rated as highly as LoS.

Metacritic is a bit depressing right now, but I expect the score to rise at least 10 points per console after all the reviews come in.

For anyone not following, it's:

Xbox 360: 69
PS3: 61
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 25, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
Sorry, I was looking at Metacritic. But the game isn't a critical success, either.
No one expected it to be one, and honestly fuck reviews. Be your own judge.

So far journalists are criticizing the stealth and terrible plot but are praising everything else. Where is the negativity for this coming from?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on February 25, 2014, 09:14:32 AM
Well, 7-8 is what really deserves the game, the first time I played it I put a note 9 (history and those magnificent boss battles makes you forget some things).

I've recently returned to play, with the hype of the story off, i saw the authentic defect, I think a 7-8 (depending on your taste in stealth phases) is the most fair.

As I told the end is regrettable, was not what someone told me long ago, "Dracula kill Alucard, defeated Satan but remained very weak, brotherhood will capture and shatters. Tortured (braveheard type) ". Are they changed? no idea, but even he can be categorized as end (I'm afraid to Konami issued in any meeting that final open ..)

They have not learned much from MoF where they tried to try many things and few worked well for them.

With LOS2 something happened, but in that sense i admire them that are not afraid to try things. Some work some do not. The modern era does not quite fit, Stealh phases enjoy me but for the player of Hack & Slash is a WTF! enormous.

I hope that their next project will be more "typical" programming and simply do that everyone expects the game without departing from the script.

P. D. Rebel Arc Studios, original team that founded later MS had a game called "Blade the edge of darkness" Founder Authentic Style Daemon Souls, few will know. If I were MS rescue and would use that license.

About Sonia: Sonia was seriously contemplated, i would like (do not know) that she included in Victor DLC ..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Bergaron on February 25, 2014, 09:17:06 AM

delete
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 25, 2014, 09:19:28 AM
No one expected it to be one, and honestly fuck reviews. Be your own judge.
I'm always my own judge.
But I will have to fully play through the game before giving my final opinion.

So far journalists are criticizing the stealth and terrible plot but are praising everything else. Where is the negativity for this coming from?
Criticisms are directed towards the stealth, the plot, the environment design, the platforming, the puzzles, and the overall coherence of the game. They certainly don't appear in every review, but when they do, they're definitely negative.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 09:20:08 AM
As I told the end is regrettable, was not what someone told me long ago, "Dracula kill Alucard, defeated Satan but remained very weak, brotherhood will capture and shatters. Tortured (braveheard type) ". Are they changed? no idea, but even he can be categorized as end (I'm afraid to Konami issued in any meeting that final open ..)

That's sounds terrible. Glad they changed it. Yikes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 25, 2014, 09:24:35 AM
As I told the end is regrettable, was not what someone told me long ago, "Dracula kill Alucard, defeated Satan but remained very weak, brotherhood will capture and shatters. Tortured (braveheard type) ". Are they changed? no idea, but even he can be categorized as end (I'm afraid to Konami issued in any meeting that final open ..)
That just sounds depressing. Poor Gabriel, I'm a little glad they changed the ending now.
About Sonia: Sonia was seriously contemplated, i would like (do not know) that she included in Victor DLC ..
I would have loved to see Sonia.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 25, 2014, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: Bergaron
As I told the end is regrettable, was not what someone told me long ago, "Dracula kill Alucard, defeated Satan but remained very weak, brotherhood will capture and shatters. Tortured (braveheard type) ". Are they changed? no idea, but even he can be categorized as end (I'm afraid to Konami issued in any meeting that final open ..)

Leak guy said something along those lines. So they really did change the ending to see if they can milk Lords of Shadow in the future.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 09:33:00 AM
Leak guy said something along those lines. So they really did change the ending to see if they can milk Lords of Shadow in the future.

Maybe they changed it because that ending sounds really overly depressing
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dremn on February 25, 2014, 09:37:29 AM
Maybe they changed it because that ending sounds really overly depressing
Agreed. LoS1 had a sad ending, but no one would feel any sort of fulfillment from that proposed conclusion.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 09:40:49 AM
LoS1 had a sad ending, but no one would feel any sort of fulfillment from that proposed conclusion.

Exactly. LoS was an origin. Origins for villains are typically tragic. But having the anti-hero save the world then get tortured after killing his son?

No thanks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 25, 2014, 09:47:57 AM
why isnt it unlocked here US east? its 25th, and it still says unreleased. what the fuck? do i have to reinstall it? When the fuck are they unlocking it on steam?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 09:51:34 AM
I'm playing CotM to ease the wait...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 09:55:22 AM
why isnt it unlocked here US east? its 25th, and it still says unreleased. what the fuck? do i have to reinstall it? When the fuck are they unlocking it on steam?

10 AM PST.

It unlocks in 8 minutes
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LinusBelmont on February 25, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

info for all metroidvania-fans!!!  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

with all these great awesome reviews form Lords of Shadow 2 it is sure that this game will be absolutely successful and

you we will never see a metroidvania again!!!!! i think the metroidvanias was a little bit dated... thats my opinion....   

welcome to the new wonderful castlevania-3D-world :) :) :) ): :) :) ):

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Slit_Zurifa on February 25, 2014, 09:59:30 AM
In TWO days?? Are you fucking kidding me?? :(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 10:00:38 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

info for all metroidvania-fans!!!  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

with all these great awesome reviews form Lords of Shadow 2 it is sure that this game will be absolutely successful and

you we will never see a metroidvania again!!!!! i think the metroidvanias was a little bit dated... thats my opinion....   

welcome to the new wonderful castlevania-3D-world :) :) :) ): :) :) ):

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

LOL

Please don't delete this one. This is hilarious.

In TWO days?? Are you fucking kidding me?? :(

Europe?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 10:03:28 AM
In TWO days?? Are you fucking kidding me?? :(
Not at all, it's out on the 27th in Europe.

--
Also, LinusBelmont's post are making me blind.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 25, 2014, 10:06:29 AM
Linus how old are you. Curious.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 25, 2014, 10:11:14 AM
Linus how old are you. Curious.
The troll is a very ancient creature. It's best not to ask.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 10:14:09 AM
The troll is a very ancient creature. It's best not to ask.

"An ancient creature drenched in the blood of the innocent, drifting in space through an endless, shifting maze. For such a creature, death" would be a gift."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kamirine on February 25, 2014, 10:26:36 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

info for all metroidvania-fans!!!  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

with all these great awesome reviews form Lords of Shadow 2 it is sure that this game will be absolutely successful and

you we will never see a metroidvania again!!!!! i think the metroidvanias was a little bit dated... thats my opinion....   

welcome to the new wonderful castlevania-3D-world :) :) :) ): :) :) ):

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So much stupid in one post. . .
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 25, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Yup, the Doctor is in.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LinusBelmont on February 25, 2014, 10:41:26 AM
sorry  ;D ;D ;D that were my 5 minutes of stupidsss hehe
sorryy

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on February 25, 2014, 10:45:26 AM
I think there's some revisionist history going on at some of these places. Now, I don't have a final verdict on LoS2 yet (though I'm not hyped for it), but I find the sudden praise of LoS1 over LoS2 to be shocking. I recall a lot of LoS1 reviews being less positive than reviewers are letting on. Like on IGN, they're saying now that LoS1 was pretty good, and so LoS2 is a letdown. I thought they famously lambasted LoS1? Curious.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 10:54:47 AM
I think there's some revisionist history going on at some of these places. Now, I don't have a final verdict on LoS2 yet (though I'm not hyped for it), but I find the sudden praise of LoS1 over LoS2 to be shocking. I recall a lot of LoS1 reviews being less positive than reviewers are letting on. Like on IGN, they're saying now that LoS1 was pretty good, and so LoS2 is a letdown. I thought they famously lambasted LoS1? Curious.

You know, I was thinking the same thing, but Metacritic shows that out of all the reviews, only 9 were "Mixed" so I guess there's that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 25, 2014, 11:24:29 AM
Info about the DLC from Gaf, im taging it since it contains some spoilers

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 25, 2014, 11:24:40 AM
ppl flip flop on their opinions all the time, im not surprised

at least a few ppl here at the dungeon are consistent with their tastes (u know who u are)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LoneChild on February 25, 2014, 11:24:56 AM
Reviews... I don't give a fuck about them regarding Castlevania.

Are you even going to try playing this game objectively? I know i'm not, because I'm one of those guys playing Castlevania since i was 10 years old, so I've never been objective regarding it from the start until today. It's just about the game "ringing the bell" for you, really. Take the N64 games for example, you know you enjoyed them, you naughty naughty Boy.

So, if you feel your expectations getting eroded by those mediocre, at best, reviews, just think about that.

Two more things:
That Kotaku guy is an ASS, and kotaku rating system is "do play / do not play", literally. Seriously, WTF?.
I Don't know if you guys tried, but I installed the LoS2 demo on both my Xbox and PC and there's a HELL of a difference, and I dont even have a top-spec computer at all, believe me. The game looks SO much more beautiful on the PC, there's no possible comparison, even at low settings.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 25, 2014, 11:39:34 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

info for all metroidvania-fans!!!  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

with all these great awesome reviews form Lords of Shadow 2 it is sure that this game will be absolutely successful and

you we will never see a metroidvania again!!!!! i think the metroidvanias was a little bit dated... thats my opinion....   

welcome to the new wonderful castlevania-3D-world :) :) :) ): :) :) ):

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Linus, be aware, I've seen people banned for lesser offenses. You might want to tread lightly or try to contribute to the discussion like an ordinarily sane, rational person.

About Sonia: Sonia was seriously contemplated, i would like (do not know) that she included in Victor DLC ..
I was contemplating this while driving home from school today...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
ppl flip flop on their opinions all the time, im not surprised

at least a few ppl here at the dungeon are consistent with their tastes (u know who u are)

Hope I'm one of them.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 25, 2014, 12:12:47 PM
Can anyone who has the game tell me if there's any day one patches to download?

Fuck reviews! Play video games! :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 25, 2014, 12:18:28 PM
Got my copy in today, just filed my taxes and had money to spare so decided to go ahead and preorder it last friday.

But I'm having a bit of bad luck, just got in from work only to find out that no one was at my house to sign for my package, it was delivered to my apartment complex's office instead and they are on break and will not be back for another 2 hours lol.

But I'm pretty sure given the videos I have seen that I am going to have to play my own castlevania music during this game, hence why I purchased it for the Xbox 360. :-X
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 25, 2014, 01:53:18 PM
This game is so smooth and pretty oh mah gawd... DAT FRAMERATE DAT CAMERA SMOOTHNESS
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: cerebralbore on February 25, 2014, 02:11:26 PM

 Guys, looks metacritic, the miracles happend: the players won't jump through hoops with Castlevania LoS2. Up yours hands againts the magazines and the notes !!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 25, 2014, 02:44:50 PM
Might get my copy tomorrow. Until then, I'll sleep in my coffin...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 25, 2014, 02:54:14 PM
Is it weird that the more I hear those blood sfx and see Dracula eat hearts and shit, I get hungry?  :P

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Post by: crisis on February 25, 2014, 02:59:20 PM
by tomorrow half the dungeon would have already beaten it cuz theyre playing on "Twilight Knight"

so i assume they also sparkle in daylight
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 25, 2014, 03:05:01 PM
by tomorrow half the dungeon would have already beaten it cuz theyre playing on "Twilight Knight"

so i assume they also sparkle in daylight

I'm not. :P

I never go for that easy mode crap at the beginning of the game unless I'm extremely interested in the story of the game rather than the gameplay which rarely happens.

I'm playing on Creature of the Night.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 25, 2014, 03:23:57 PM
decided the game felt too easy so i went Lord of Shadow difficulty.
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Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 03:35:08 PM
decided the game felt too easy so i went Lord of Shadow difficulty.

Are you enjoying it so far?
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Post by: Flame on February 25, 2014, 03:46:27 PM
Are you enjoying it so far?
sure am. I like the castle bits. they feel like something i'd find in an older 3D CV game.
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Post by: crisis on February 25, 2014, 03:49:02 PM
*high five to Flame & DarkPrinceAlucard* word up


i am enjoying the game (so far) because its exactly what i expected it to be
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Post by: Zuljaras on February 25, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
I m enjoying the game so far as well :) I only got to the part where I capture that ugly woman thing and bring it back to Patrick Steward :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 25, 2014, 04:03:25 PM
ppl flip flop on their opinions all the time, im not surprised

at least a few ppl here at the dungeon are consistent with their tastes (u know who u are)

Damn straight you know who you are.

*high five to Flame & DarkPrinceAlucard* word up


i am enjoying the game (so far) because its exactly what i expected it to be

You better not leave me out either Crisis!  >:(  I just came from school and I'm going to test play then do my homework and study

Also I tend to play on higher difficulties and if I beat dark souls how hard can this be heck I also beat Los(knight mode is hard and paladin is very hard iirc been awhile since I played it) and mof on hard mode with 100%(really not that hard to complete it sadly)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 25, 2014, 04:55:27 PM
I'm 3 hours into this game and I must say that I just HATE that shimmying is still the main focus here rather than actual platforming.

I mean good lord, didn't MS learn from all the fans complaints about them and how they wanted REAL platforming to return?

That being said there have been some bits of regular platforming, but in very small douses while shimmying has been dumped on us by the gallons. :-\
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Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on February 25, 2014, 05:10:14 PM
OK, so I go to Gamestop, and there is one guy at the counter. I wait 20 minutes for the customers at the counter to purchase the game. When I finally get to the counter, I find out that the game is already sold out!

You know Gamestop, there is such a thing as better service...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Thy Gory Rory on February 25, 2014, 06:27:56 PM
Gamestop sucks dankey kang's balls. I had to remind the person at the counter that since I actually pre-ordered the game I get the bonus double sided poster. Nifty gift! Loving the game so far, exactly what I expected and wanted!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 25, 2014, 07:04:00 PM
Having a lot of fun with the game right now, I really don't want to put it down. Loving the interconnected world and the skill tree/weapon upgrade system in particular.

Gorgon is definitely this game's wake-up boss, if you're playing on hard anyways. I got my ass kicked pretty badly. Looking back, I probably should have remembered to use some of my relics.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 25, 2014, 07:05:49 PM
So far, it's nothing special. The modern bits are so dull and boring... everything inside the castle was better so far.

Mastery system is useless so far, as you still stick to use the same combos you used in the first game. I can see me grinding because of it's presence later... ugh...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 25, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
I'm 3 hours into this game and I must say that I just HATE that shimmying is still the main focus here rather than actual platforming.

I mean good lord, didn't MS learn from all the fans complaints about them and how they wanted REAL platforming to return?

That being said there have been some bits of regular platforming, but in very small douses while shimmying has been dumped on us by the gallons. :-\

My best guess would be that its a way to make each room last longer, making the game longer, without having to spend extra making more rooms and backgrounds.

In that regard it makes sense, but it still sucks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 25, 2014, 08:59:01 PM
Yay, got the Dragon form...

It sucks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 25, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
And Satan finally falls...

No, it's not LoS2's Satan -- I'm still stuck on my 110% playthrough of the original. The DLC will probably take a few more hours, which I might or might not have. At this point, I'm tired of waiting; I'll be grabbing LoS2 tomorrow, trial or no trial.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 25, 2014, 09:15:05 PM
Anyone know if there are any video playthroughs going on right now using the Dark Dracula skin? I got the armored one and it looks way better than I expected, but I'm wondering what the the other looks like in motion.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
Just beat the Gorgon

Right now I'd give the City parts a 7/10 and the castle parts a 8/10.

So if the darn story would just pick up the pace, which I'm sure it will, easy 9/10 in my book.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 25, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
So if the darn story would just pick up the pace, which I'm sure it will, easy 9/10 in my book.
I'm very interested in what you'll think of the plot of this game when you're finished.
Title: Marathoned LoS2 to the End Today. My Thoughts. (Yes. Spoilers.)
Post by: KyleVoakes on February 25, 2014, 10:10:11 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 25, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
I'm very interested in what you'll think of the plot of this game when you're finished.

Just tell me one thing:

Does the game ever let go of my hand? I'm assuming it does...but there's that nagging worry in the back of my skull.
Title: Lords of shadow opinions
Post by: Belmont legacy on February 26, 2014, 12:16:08 AM
So since the sequel to lords of shadow just dropped yesterday, I was wondering if anyone picked a copy up and if it's any good. I had heard mixed reviews.  Some say it's pretty good while others say it's awful. I personally loved lords of shadow and mirror of fate so I'm hoping it's as promising.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 26, 2014, 12:40:24 AM
My copy and my guide just arrived at my local shop. Gonna grab them after work (less than 4 hours). :)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 26, 2014, 01:23:57 AM
Merged a few topics. Keep all the LoS2 discussion in this thread, guys.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 26, 2014, 02:48:49 AM
Just tell me one thing:

Does the game ever let go of my hand? I'm assuming it does...but there's that nagging worry in the back of my skull.
5 hours in and it still treats me like a kid.
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Post by: REmaster on February 26, 2014, 06:09:06 AM
5 hours in and it still treats me like a kid.

Yea, it's getting pretty old. I don't mind a hint about something new, but it keeps reminding me of shit I learned 8 hours ago lol. I'm just gonna turn the hints off completely.

As far as the game itself, I absolutely love the castle parts. The City is kind of meh for me so far. I feel like the
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and stealth sections with enemies that look like they belong in Quake or Unreal tournament are a little much, though I do like the nod to the Coppola film when he turns into rats. I saw an interview with Cox the other day where he said it was his favorite vampire film, so it doesn't surprise me.

It's pretty apparent that Mercury steam went with a "Arkham City" approach with this game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 26, 2014, 07:27:52 AM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned or noticed before but theres a statue in Zobeks mansion that looks exactly like the mural at the entrance to the inverted castle in SOTN.
Title: Re: Marathoned LoS2 to the End Today. My Thoughts. (Yes. Spoilers.)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 26, 2014, 07:30:49 AM
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Sadly, for the info we got, Konami botched the ending. The original one was certainly more on line with the LoS1 type of ending we expected.
Title: Re: Marathoned LoS2 to the End Today. My Thoughts. (Yes. Spoilers.)
Post by: e105beta on February 26, 2014, 07:46:13 AM
Sadly, for the info we got, Konami botched the ending. The original one was certainly more on line with the LoS1 type of ending we expected.

Even if the ending is as lacking in closure as everyone is saying, the original one doesn't seem any better. IMO, it's worse.

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Title: Re: Marathoned LoS2 to the End Today. My Thoughts. (Yes. Spoilers.)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 26, 2014, 07:53:23 AM
Even if the ending is as lacking in closure as everyone is saying, the original one doesn't seem any better. IMO, it's worse.

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Post by: Kingshango on February 26, 2014, 07:59:28 AM
Maybe if people complained enough, Konami will change the ending via patch like ME3. :P

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Post by: e105beta on February 26, 2014, 08:02:43 AM
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This just better not be a Konami decision to make more sequels. I would love to see another LoS game, but NOT AFTER 2. 2 IS THE END.

Just stick one somewhere in the 800 years of Dracula sleep to show what the Belmonts did for so long.

EDIT: Oh my god, I just thought of something...

That statue in Zobek's room looks like the teleport statue in SotN. What if that's a sign that there's a secret ending?

I can dream, can't I? I mean, Mirror of Fate had an unlockable final cutscene...no, kill the hype, kill the hype...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 26, 2014, 08:33:41 AM
I could guess that another DLC could be made, Victor, Alucard and ending DLC. I don't care. I want a real ending.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 26, 2014, 08:41:09 AM
the hand holding is pretty minimal IMO, i turned hints off, and there were points where I actually got lost or confused and had no idea what to do.

by the way, the castle segments give me a HEAVY LoI vibe for some reason.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: ryatwo on February 26, 2014, 08:41:48 AM
Anyone know if there are any video playthroughs going on right now using the Dark Dracula skin? I got the armored one and it looks way better than I expected, but I'm wondering what the the other looks like in motion.

So the Dark Dracula skin is actually pretty cool. Its normal Dracula, except its a color palette swap, his hair is white and overall costume is swapped out with black.

I don't know if my version of the Armored Dracula is bugged or not, but it looks kinda underwhelming to be honest. All it has is armored boots, and weird straps that go around the back of Dracula's coat and overall the color scheme is exactly the same as well (kinda the look you get when wearing overalls). Can someone tell me how the Armored Dracula really looks, or is mine not bugged somehow?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Rugal on February 26, 2014, 09:18:23 AM
Why are there Terran Marines from Starcraft in this game?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 26, 2014, 09:35:54 AM
Why are there Terran Marines from Starcraft in this game?

Starcraft II: Legacy of Dracula
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jormungand on February 26, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
I could guess that another DLC could be made, Victor, Alucard and ending DLC. I don't care. I want a real ending.

This is Konami right now after reading your comment: http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/magnum.gif (http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/magnum.gif)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 26, 2014, 09:40:38 AM
Does someone know if it is possible to make the PC commands appear instead of the XBox ones? It's really annoying.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 26, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
This is Konami right now after reading your comment: http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/magnum.gif (http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/magnum.gif)
lol
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 26, 2014, 10:10:05 AM
So the agreus stealth segment... it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

That said, it IS terribly unclear and slightly confusing. but not nearly as game breaking as some people make it out to be. the atmosphere, area design and music totally make up for it.

EDIT: Okay, here's some reasons WHY the agreus thing feels more bullshit than it really should.

1. aiming daggers is not friendly.

2. sometimes he doesn't hear the bells, which ends with him running right into you despite it going off.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 26, 2014, 10:39:38 AM
So in the Agreus section, if you hit that owl holding the Mirror of Fate with a chaos bomb...
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10/10 Mercury Steam
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jormungand on February 26, 2014, 10:52:37 AM
So in the Agreus section, if you hit that owl holding the Mirror of Fate with a chaos bomb...
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10/10 Mercury Steam

That's GOTY for me
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 26, 2014, 10:54:22 AM
So in the Agreus section, if you hit that owl holding the Mirror of Fate with a chaos bomb...
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10/10 Mercury Steam
AHAHAHA

I hit it with a freeze blast and it died. after I thought "man i should have tried a chaos bomb"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 26, 2014, 11:28:08 AM
Even if the ending is as lacking in closure as everyone is saying, the original one doesn't seem any better. IMO, it's worse.

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My 2 cents
I'm not sure I agree.

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So in the Agreus section, if you hit that owl holding the Mirror of Fate with a chaos bomb...
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10/10 Mercury Steam
Incredible. Absolutely incredible.  ;D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 26, 2014, 11:37:00 AM
So is the gandolfi mystery never resolved?
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Post by: Kingshango on February 26, 2014, 11:53:01 AM
So is the gandolfi mystery never resolved?

Unless he's in another scroll, he's still an enigma.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Agreus on February 26, 2014, 12:06:16 PM
So is the gandolfi mystery never resolved?
That's the prequel hook.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on February 26, 2014, 12:13:20 PM
That's the prequel hook.

Lords of shadow 3 announced. Make some weapons then run around forests like a crazy hobo for hours. Get your daughter killed via QTE
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Post by: e105beta on February 26, 2014, 12:20:29 PM
I'm not sure I agree.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 26, 2014, 01:00:38 PM
Question:

When I first played LOS2, the game said something that ''install something to improve gamin experience''. Is it Install the game in your console (PS3). Or what it's referring to?
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Post by: e105beta on February 26, 2014, 01:05:37 PM
Question:

When I first played LOS2, the game said something that ''install something to improve gamin experience''. Is it Install the game in your console (PS3). Or what it's referring to?

It installs the game onto your HD.

Also, has anyone 100% the game yet?
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Post by: Flame on February 26, 2014, 02:42:01 PM
gotta say, it's a bit easier to find gems in this than LoS1. I'm already almost max health.

i dont remember if loS1 did this, but I like how there's a very clear indicator of how many health/chaos/void upgrades you have left to get, since the bars are segmented
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Post by: crisis on February 26, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
@Flame

i also get subtle lament of innocence vibes while wandering thru the castle. very beautiful in an eerie sort of way. the only way lords of shadow 2's castle will be topped aesthetically is if and when the next castlevania game is on ps4, theres no debating this

the detail & atmosphere is utterly amazing. i just slowly walk around & try to take everything in, as opposed to running thru the corridors. throw on some ambience music from symphony's soundtrack, and its just orgasmic

i just wish the camera had a zoom-in feature :/
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Post by: Flame on February 26, 2014, 03:39:31 PM
the detail & atmosphere is utterly amazing. i just slowly walk around & try to take everything in, as opposed to running thru the corridors. throw on some ambience music from symphony's soundtrack, and its just orgasmic
I cant help but hear Wood Carving partitia in the library.
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i just wish the camera had a zoom-in feature :/
this. So much.

time for me to join the spoiler fun since i recently got to this point-

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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 26, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
Oh yea the scenery is fantastic, very CV like with the dark and gothic beauty you would expect in a 3.D CV game.

one thing I hated about LOS1 was those brightly lit fantasy areas of the game, needless to say LOS2 does not have any of those as far as I can tell which is a good thing.

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Post by: derision on February 26, 2014, 05:11:59 PM
Got the mist form about an hour ago and have been spending my time going through previous castle areas looking for upgrades. Game's really opening up and it's been a joy so far- It was a nice little surprise to see that the castle areas are actually interconnected. I even got to what assume is the entrance to the toy maker's place, but I couldn't do much since it seems I need an upgrade to proceed. Love that feeling.

I've said this already, but it is tough to put this game down.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 26, 2014, 05:38:22 PM
Ok, after seeing amost a full walkthrough in Youtube (I don´t have the game, but after seeing it, I wish I have it. Money is the principal obstacle :( ), I like it so much. I liked more than LoS 1, ´cause of the correct dark atmosphere. I feel a little like the Arkham games and Darksiders. The boss fights are pretty good, but my favorites are the Toy Maker and the Victor fight. I like the Toy Maker story in the theather, and love the Narrator voice. I am surprise at the patience of Dracula in that part, too :P. I expected that the Inner Dracula fight were with a more devil creature, like a past Dracula´s transformation. A dragon, or something like that. My favorite character is, at this moment Agreus. I like his horned head :) and his voice...

I minor words, I really like to play this game. It looks just good. But I have to wait a little more time to get it...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 26, 2014, 06:52:49 PM
the detail & atmosphere is utterly amazing. i just slowly walk around & try to take everything in, as opposed to running thru the corridors. throw on some ambience music from symphony's soundtrack, and its just orgasmic

Someone should do a mod of the PC version and throw in some Yamane composed music.

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Post by: Kingshango on February 26, 2014, 07:16:57 PM
Someone should do a mod of the PC version and throw in some Yamane composed music.


The ost for Lament of Innocence works surprisingly well in the castle area's.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on February 26, 2014, 07:26:18 PM
The ost for Lament of Innocence works surprisingly well in the castle area's.

Hey, is any way to do a similar stuff like that in the Xbox 360? Like put external music in the game, in sustitution of the in-game music?

EDIT: Maybe is a noob and absurb question, but I would like to know, please :)
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Post by: Flame on February 26, 2014, 07:27:37 PM
only thing though is that even if one were to replace the music, you would basically have to, from scratch program triggers for the music, since the game has ambient tracks, and no area specific music. (though interestingly turning into a rat has it's own music)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 26, 2014, 07:52:02 PM
Ok, I just have to say, that after seeing all the walkthrough via Youtube of LoS 2, my only words are: I WANT THAT GAME ! ! ! I want to play it for myself. I don´t care if I have seen all the story, I just want to fight that bosses. Now, my favorite one is, undoubtedly Death. Is the best Death fight in a 3D Castlevania game. The fights in LoI and CoD are cool too, but Death is not very free to move, like here in LoS 2. That scyte is amazing :o. The only thing that is missing are the little scytes. Well, I didn´t see in the Youtube walkthrough. Ashasverus said that they are there. Well, only when I play the game for myself, I will find if is true. Also,
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PS I know that, since my first post, I´ve been a little insulting in all related to the LoS saga. I acepted. But, some time ago I learn to see that games like they pretend to be in the beginning: a separate Castlevania history. And, in the end, that will be for me, a different story, the Dracula story. Really good game :D...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 26, 2014, 08:55:33 PM
anyone else feel that
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speaking of which,
 
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 26, 2014, 09:04:37 PM
Just beat the game. I thought it was about to get truly epic righht before the Zobek battle..but that final battle and ending were fucking lame. LAME!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 26, 2014, 09:13:03 PM
^I thought that was the best fight in the game. or any game since MGRising.
anyone else feel that
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speaking of which,
 
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 26, 2014, 09:18:27 PM
The castle wasn't just in his head. He took Satan's 2nd acolyte with him before fighting him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 26, 2014, 09:49:03 PM
The castle wasn't just in his head. He took Satan's 2nd acolyte with him before fighting him.
Bingo.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Eärendil on February 26, 2014, 10:30:18 PM
I've been busy as hell @ work and haven't been able to play LOS2 until tonight. I don't have any installs at work tomorrow, so I took the day off to Dracula it up. On my first play through and so far I'm enjoying the hell out of this game. I liked LOS1, but LOS2 is definitely an improvement. My first play-through of LOS1 and its DLC content was on the Xbox 360. For LOS2 I went with Steam to utilize my new gaming rig. The controls and game play feel so much more fluid than LOS1. Having camera freedom is also great. Everything is maxed out per the in-game config and the game looks gorgeous, but I do have a question for you other PC gamers...

For anyone playing with a Nvidia GPU: Have you forced any additional enhancements in the Nvidia control panel over the game's own config file? Any noticeable improvements or issues? I haven't played around with it yet. For those that have newer GPUs, are there any optimal settings over just going with the highest settings in the game's config? Thanks.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: meanguyjones on February 26, 2014, 11:12:25 PM
by far one of the most disappointing games i have ever played in my life, every bad review for this game has been spot on with the exception of the complaints about agreus.

besides the combat, everything is a major step down from los1. oscar araujo still can't handle making more than 3 new tracks per game, and even makes IGA blush with how many fucking tracks from mof and los1 he reused.


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jesus fucking christ even the graphics, with the exception of the castle areas, are worse than los1. i sure did love battling conveyer belts as the prince of darkness though!

i loved los1. loved mof. waited 3+ years for this game, didn't overly hype myself unless you consider thinking that more of the same of los1 with a story that would close everything out would be a good thing as hyping myself up.

sorry if this comes off as rambling, but i just beat it and i'm sitting here like what the fuck? is that it?






Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 26, 2014, 11:34:42 PM
makes IGA blush with how many fucking tracks from mof and los1 he reused.
wut, I still haven't heard any reused tracks from LoS1 or MoF, and I'm pretty far in.


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jesus fucking christ even the graphics, with the exception of the castle areas, are worse than los1.

you're not baiting are you?

design =/= graphics

the graphphics are fine. it's some of the city environments which are kind of uninteresting unless they are of the kind that shove a castle spire in your face or give you a broad view of the city below and the moon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 26, 2014, 11:40:43 PM
OK, so, I played the demo before. Wasn't too impressed as you know. I figure I'd start checking out some footage of people playing the game and see what the later sections of the game are like.

Wow.

There was some dudes in Starcraft marine robot armor suits in this evil science corporation lab warehouse place, and Dracula got one shotted by one of them. It was every bit as awful as that sounds. Dracula could do nothing but distract them with bats and hide in the corner. It did not look fun at all. This is not anywhere near Castlevania.

I have to take back the claim that I might at some point play the game. It's not going to happen. I feel sick now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: REmaster on February 26, 2014, 11:53:51 PM
I could guess that another DLC could be made, Victor, Alucard and ending DLC. I don't care. I want a real ending.

lol just beat it, same here.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 26, 2014, 11:58:01 PM
wut, I still haven't heard any reused tracks from LoS1 or MoF, and I'm pretty far in.
The battle theme from MoF, the Theatre/Carousel theme, the "LoS" theme/leitmotiv, the opening theme from LoS, the Daemon Lord battle track, etc. -- a lot of LoS/MoF tracks are actually reused.

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Also, on my personal experience:
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I'm glad I didn't spoil myself so far, I really enjoy the game (I'm playing on LoS difficulty, with mouse/keyboard, and that's a good challenge).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 27, 2014, 12:04:46 AM
OK, so, I played the demo before. Wasn't too impressed as you know. I figure I'd start checking out some footage of people playing the game and see what the later sections of the game are like.

Wow.

There was some dudes in Starcraft marine robot armor suits in this evil science corporation lab warehouse place, and Dracula got one shotted by one of them. It was every bit as awful as that sounds. Dracula could do nothing but distract them with bats and hide in the corner. It did not look fun at all. This is not anywhere near Castlevania.

I have to take back the claim that I might at some point play the game. It's not going to happen. I feel sick now.
There's some odd contradiction in this game. For one...
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GuyStarwind on February 27, 2014, 12:07:45 AM
Just a random thing but I think Victor has cool quotes
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 12:08:09 AM

There was some dudes in Starcraft marine robot armor suits in this evil science corporation lab warehouse place, and Dracula got one shotted by one of them. It was every bit as awful as that sounds. Dracula could do nothing but distract them with bats and hide in the corner. It did not look fun at all. This is not anywhere near Castlevania.

I have to take back the claim that I might at some point play the game. It's not going to happen. I feel sick now.
Oh don't be such a drama queen. The segments are all VERY brief, and the early ones are actually kind of interesting. playing on the idea that Dracula is weakened it works, though having them later on is pretty inexcusable. What's MORE inexcusable isnt so much the stealth itself, but that you have no option to fight or defend yourself if you are spotted. You'd think they would have taken cues from MGS on stealth sections. while in them you can't use weapons. I have no idea if Golgoth Guards are even programmed to take damage. they DO have health bars, which deplete when you possess them, but as far as attacking them? i have no idea if it would even work, in the event someone unlocked weapons.

In total, the modern day stealth segments aren't even 5% of the game. probably even less, considering once you clear the areas, those stealth segments disappear.

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There's some odd contradiction in this game. For one...
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Well it seemed to me like it might have to do with the leaves everywhere. like he has special power on them. I mean the failure is this weird thing where he like, sinks into the ground with you. I figure when you are above on that platform, he doesnt have that special ability.

Also, on falling, i was very upset that I cannot jump all the way down from the top of the gorgon's lair to the bottom bridge. but i suppose it's for a reason, considering it would break the game otherwise.

im kind of wishing for a mod to get rid of invisible walls
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 27, 2014, 03:46:14 AM
Current average LoS2 metacritic score:

65

Harmony of Despair average metacritic score:

67

 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 27, 2014, 05:13:26 AM
Current average LoS2 metacritic score:

65

Harmony of Despair average metacritic score:

67

Ouch.
Well at least it still isn't as low as Judgment.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 27, 2014, 06:19:11 AM
Current average LoS2 metacritic score:

65

Harmony of Despair average metacritic score:

67

 

I never take pleasure at my favorite series suffering, but I did laugh darkly at that. I still have yet to play it - I was going to get it by the end of this week initially, but after the low scores I'm going to hold off until the inevitable Steam sale. : /
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dominus on February 27, 2014, 06:25:23 AM
Current average LoS2 metacritic score:

65

Harmony of Despair average metacritic score:

67

 

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that sounds so wrong
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 07:21:19 AM
I never take pleasure at my favorite series suffering, but I did laugh darkly at that. I still have yet to play it - I was going to get it by the end of this week initially, but after the low scores I'm going to hold off until the inevitable Steam sale. : /

I know my opinion is bunk, but...it really isn't that bad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 07:39:44 AM
There's some odd contradiction in this game. For one...
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I don't see that as a contradiction, but more because...

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 07:52:25 AM
i feel los2 is a fun game & im glad i bought it, however i def sympathize with those that dont wanna spend $65 for it. try n get a used copy for like $45 or something. the castle segments alone make it worth a purchase imo. like i said i knew what i was in for months ago, i knew how mercurysteam was approaching this game so my expectations were in check, and im not disappointed with false promises or whatever. expectation is the root of all heartache

if ur waiting for it to drop to like $2 on steam then i dunno what to tell you
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: flyingchai on February 27, 2014, 08:16:36 AM
Aside from my initial expression of dissappointment over the ending, overall the game was very good. The stealth was the weakest component, but the combat was fantastic. Storywise, everything made sense, though I really believe it's necessary to play the first 2 games to fully appreciate it.
I'll definitely play it again starting tonight on Prince of Darkness mode.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 08:21:19 AM
I've actually enjoyed the stealth sections. I must be insane but every time I got to throw bats, or possess rats or people I thought it was pretty fun sneaking around. No reason Dracula can't be subtle or clever from time to time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on February 27, 2014, 08:26:35 AM
Got it today, the tomb is crap, don't buy it, even as a hardcore Castlevania fan, is not worth it.

Got it on PS3, so far the game is super fun and the stealth sections are not that bad, combat system is great too. My only complain is how the game looks, there is something weird going on with the resolution, sometimes is fine and sometimes the resolution goes down like crazy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 08:57:31 AM
I've actually enjoyed the stealth sections. I must be insane but every time I got to throw bats, or possess rats or people I thought it was pretty fun sneaking around. No reason Dracula can't be subtle or clever from time to time.
most of the people criticizing turning into rats and sneaking around like that have probably never read the book, or know anything about traditional vampire/Dracula lore. Mainly the fact that bats aren't the only thing he can turn into. traditionally, it's bats, mist, rats, and a large dog.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 09:04:48 AM
most of the people criticizing turning into rats and sneaking around like that have probably never read the book, or know anything about traditional vampire/Dracula lore. Mainly the fact that bats aren't the only thing he can turn into. traditionally, it's bats, mist, rats, and a large dog.

I think it's just that they want to rape everything in sight.

I mean, I understand the frustration. After fighting
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why do I have to turn into a rat to sneak around Golgoth Guards? It feels really gamey that I can't kill them, that they're somehow the strongest beings in the universe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 09:06:26 AM
Why do I have the feeling Enric and Cox will blame the fans for this game..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 27, 2014, 09:12:31 AM
[lots of stuff]

Its just like really screwed up and super lame fan fiction. None of that shit even looks good.

Sorry, but that killed it for me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 09:27:10 AM
I think it's just that they want to rape everything in sight.

I mean, I understand the frustration. After fighting
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why do I have to turn into a rat to sneak around Golgoth Guards? It feels really gamey that I can't kill them, that they're somehow the strongest beings in the universe.

Because you want to get in and out of that facility as quietly and as unseen as possible both times you are there. Just because he could go in there and cause a big scene doesn't mean it's necessarily smart to or preferable for your current purpose.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: bigbossbalorg on February 27, 2014, 09:32:08 AM
Its doing very well in user reviews on metacritic.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 27, 2014, 09:33:35 AM
I've been hearing some stuff about the development process of this game (and the other LOS games) and BOY is it a rabbit hole.

Mr. Alvarez if you're reading this, this is NOT a good look. >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 27, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
Why do I have the feeling Enric and Cox will blame the fans for this game..

Seems to be a trend among people who come into a franchise and start telling the fans what they have already is not cool and needs to change.

See also Ninja Theory and dmc.

The arrogance is off the charts.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: meanguyjones on February 27, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
I've been hearing some stuff about the development process of this game (and the other LOS games) and BOY is it a rabbit hole.

Mr. Alvarez if you're reading this, this is NOT a good look. >:(

don't leave people hanging, go on..
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 09:45:41 AM
I've been hearing some stuff about the development process of this game (and the other LOS games) and BOY is it a rabbit hole.

Mr. Alvarez if you're reading this, this is NOT a good look. >:(
PM me the deets mang.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 09:48:42 AM
I think DmC had poor writing but the combat was solid and the level design and concept of limbo pulling Dante away and distorting his surroundings was very well done. Its not really a good example to use.

A better example would be the difference between Prince of Persia: Sands of Time and the sequel Warrior Within.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: thernz on February 27, 2014, 09:49:01 AM
most of the people criticizing turning into rats and sneaking around like that have probably never read the book, or know anything about traditional vampire/Dracula lore. Mainly the fact that bats aren't the only thing he can turn into. traditionally, it's bats, mist, rats, and a large dog.
does the game lose lore points because dracula has magnificent blood vomit powers

i'm not sure how lore is an actual excuse when the segments are just badly designed compared to other stealth games. i'm fond of dracula's exploding rats, it's just the implementation that seems sketchy. not so much because it's difficult, but because it's too much of a restrictive puzzle. so it's not fun to actually use any of dracula's power because it never feels inventive on my part.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 27, 2014, 09:50:42 AM
The user reviews on metacritic are worth reading because it's very humorous to see the sheer number of people who created accounts in the past couple of days just to rate the game a 10 and say variations of 'REVIEWERS ARE STUPID'.

Also don't blue-ball us, Kingshango, spill dem beans
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 09:51:37 AM
I've been hearing some stuff about the development process of this game (and the other LOS games) and BOY is it a rabbit hole.

Mr. Alvarez if you're reading this, this is NOT a good look. >:(
I think you can stop teasing us, all is said and done :P Just say it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 09:53:11 AM
Because you want to get in and out of that facility as quietly and as unseen as possible both times you are there. Just because he could go in there and cause a big scene doesn't mean it's necessarily smart to or preferable for your current purpose.

How about
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Everything was going to hell in a handbasket and I was still trying to be sneaky
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 27, 2014, 09:53:48 AM
don't leave people hanging, go on..
PM me the deets mang.
I think you can stop teasing us, all is said and done :P Just say it.


It's in spanish so im gonna have to translate it via Google, I'll pm it once it's ready.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jestercolony on February 27, 2014, 09:54:20 AM
So, I finished LoS2 this morning and I wish to give it my thoughts without the use of spoilers -

After waiting four years and have only pre-ordered the game a year ago, I for one was happy to sit down and play the game. But sadly, not all was what I thought it was out to be. First off, the game itself was hyped to hell by Konami/MS over their FB...etc. But as some remember, I wrote the original combat guide for the first LoS, but took it offline on gamefaqs (I no longer publish guides because I've honestly become very lazy in writing FAQs and keeping up to date with the current ones I made, so I pulled them.)

Combat itself - the system itself is basically the same as in LoS1, the only issue is I feel that combat is a little bit more lagged and the camera system makes it somewhat harder for some abilities to be properly done. It angers me slightly that Gabriel/Dracula does not have his original move set from the original game. Of course, the new abilities are nice, but it would of been a more sweet transition if we had been given the original moves. It also angered me that upon getting the double jump ability, that it lacks it's combos that where originally in the first game. The master system may increase your damage output, but if one goes into the game knowing what to expect and what to do, the system itself is obsolete.  The stealth segments in the game weren't that bad, besides one part, which I will not get into. But in reality, the stealth should of been reworked and should of allowed us to have a move set and abilities (stealth finishers/different animal forms...etc) that would allow us to easily get through certain areas. There is really nothing "RPG" about this title.

Exploration - Given the fact the game is supposedly "bigger" than the first is rubbish. I completed the game in less than 8 hours and the fact remains that it doesn't 'feel' that big. Someone mentioned earlier in the forums that they called this one "SoTN 2.0". Sorry, but it isn't. The exploration element wasn't even all that grand as it was hyped up to be from Konami/MS on FB. I never found myself lost once and I find that nevigation through the castle and the city has significant flaws and the areas felt as if they had no charm. I admit, some places looked cool than others, but overall I feel the game was rushed, even though it took them four years to make it.

Music - The music itself is alright. I can't really comment too much on it without getting technical.

Overall -

The game itself was alright, sadly there was still a lot more that could have been explained and a few things could have shown up to make the game itself connect to the last two games. The ending itself pissed me off, I wasn't happy about it. It didn't truly feel like a climatic ending. The bosses themselves did not prove a challenge to me (I played on the Lord of Shadow setting mind you.) But it did feel good to get rid of a certain foe.

Overall Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 is alright, but it pales compared to the first game. Combat did not feel faster, or tigher, it actually felt laggy.  So would I suggest fans to get this game? Sure why not, but don't let your hopes get to you. This game could have been the ultimate vampire type game, if it was given more time and polish. But I guess we'll wait and see with DLC.

This was just a lay down from a fan who has been with the series since the original NES release.

(:

fin

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 09:54:57 AM

It's in spanish so im gonna have to translate it via Google, I'll pm it once it's ready.

Add me to the PM please
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 27, 2014, 09:56:55 AM
Same here, bubba
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 10:01:19 AM
How about
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Everything was going to hell in a handbasket and I was still trying to be sneaky

It's smarter to avoid walking directly into gunfire from a giant hell shooting cannon in a tightly enclose space?

I would also like a PM of the development info, if you don't mind.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 10:05:45 AM

It's in spanish so im gonna have to translate it via Google, I'll pm it once it's ready.
Give it to me, I'll trnaslate it in no time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
OMG just post the super-secret info here in spoiler tags!!! sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 10:07:55 AM
It's smarter to avoid walking directly into gunfire from a giant hell shooting cannon in a tightly enclose space?

I would also like a PM of the development info, if you don't mind.

Eh, I just don't see it. Dodge it and smack his shit up like everyone else.

Really, though, this is like my only beef with the game. I'm absolutely loving this and I think it's a shame it's getting mediocre reviews.

But as long as I get my Alucard DLC, my Victor DLC, and maybe ending DLC, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 10:10:13 AM
Oh ok, I can... see that. That was certainly the impression lately. It's a completely different person than from the pre-LoS times, and it seems it's all his baby, his all perfect baby. Yeah, Molyneux comes to mind.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 10:11:17 AM
Oh ok, I can... see that. That was certainly the impression lately. It's a completely different person than from the pre-LoS times, and it seems it's all his baby, his all perfect baby. Yeah, Molyneux comes to mind.
Hoo boy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 27, 2014, 10:12:43 AM
Can you give a quick summary and just pm the whole thing later?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 10:13:09 AM
Hoo boy.
"There's nothing wrong with Agreus' section! It's just that these days playing using your brain is out of fashion" - Actual quote.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 27, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
Here it is in full. due to popular demand (and Crisis yelling at me)

Part 1

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Part 2
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Part 3
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Finale
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 10:18:22 AM
Eh, I just don't see it. Dodge it and smack his shit up like everyone else.

Really, though, this is like my only beef with the game. I'm absolutely loving this and I think it's a shame it's getting mediocre reviews.

But as long as I get my Alucard DLC, my Victor DLC, and maybe ending DLC, I'll be happy.

Well you just have to be open to the possibility that Dracula isn't all powerful anymore. These are giant hulking supernatural guards with supernatural weapons that combine magic and science and that being blasted by that stuff could do serious damage to a vampire. Its not like those are just any old guns like the ones the possessed citizens and the soldiers use.

I wish Possession was able to be used in combat on large enemies like how you could grapple and control the Wargs and Trolls of LoS1. I'd do that all the time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 10:20:26 AM
"There's nothing wrong with Agreus' section! It's just that these days playing using your brain is out of fashion" - Actual quote.

To be fair, IMO, there is nothing wrong with the Agreus section. It took me like 5 minutes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on February 27, 2014, 10:20:38 AM
Is there a not google translate version coming? I'm not sure exactly what hes saying there half the time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 27, 2014, 10:22:30 AM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 10:24:12 AM
Here it is in full. due to popular demand (and Crisis yelling at me)

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Where did you get this from?

I had a little difficulty reading this, but it sounds like Alvarez is a huge cock bag and everyone at MS feels the LoS series is awful. The only one who is proud of it is Alvarez because he's got an ego the size of Jupiter because of the financial success behind LoS1, and Konami apparently being very content with that.
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I never believed it for a second. Konami doesn't like to invest money in anything Kojima doesn't have some kind of hand in, even if it's just a suggestion.

I'm surprised they haven't renamed the company "Kojima" at this point.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 27, 2014, 10:26:15 AM
Again, Rugal must be feeling so vindicated by now
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
I don't understand what the big deal is from that. That could be any game development company. Lay offs after projects are especially common. Just sounds like typical office bureaucracy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 10:29:25 AM
To be fair, IMO, there is nothing wrong with the Agreus section. It took me like 5 minutes.
Calling everyone who had problems with it (read: almost everyone) for not using its brain is gross.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 10:30:17 AM
i can only imagine how the internal discussions at Capcom HQ must be like
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 10:32:03 AM
i can only imagine how the internal discussions at Capcom HQ must be like
Your stereotypical fears of shady business practices and purposely pissing on the fans fully realized. Capcom is hands down the absolute worst of the bunch.

This post is probably sugarcoated with hyperbole, I apologize, I have some serious grudges against Capcom and how they do business and treat their IPs.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: LordsofepicShadow420 on February 27, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
Its doing very well in user reviews on metacritic.
This is true, i saw the iga conspirators reviews falsely slamming the game and I made sure to rate it 10/10 and point out the bs of criticizing the steath (think it wen over people's heads) and rat things without aknowledging the fact that it is Traditional Vampire Lore from Bram Stroker's Dracula (but I doubt these people have read such a tome).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 10:37:14 AM
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I'm not. It was obvious from the start it was just a marketing gimmick.

Calling everyone who had problems with it (read: almost everyone) for not using its brain is gross.

Yeah, it's uncalled for. But then again, what do you say to the guy who was stuck on it for 4 hours because he forgot his powers?

Where did you get this from?

I had a little difficulty reading this, but it sounds like Alvarez is a huge cock bag and everyone at MS feels the LoS series is awful. The only one who is proud of it is Alvarez because he's got an ego the size of Jupiter because of the financial success behind LoS1, and Konami apparently being very content with that.I never believed it for a second. Konami doesn't like to invest money in anything Kojima doesn't have some kind of hand in, even if it's just a suggestion.

I'm surprised they haven't renamed the company "Kojima" at this point.

Kind of lame that MercurySteam thinks that LoS sucks, because I sure like it.

BETTER HOPE THAT COX ISN'T BRINGING MERCURYSTEAM ONTO HIS CONTRA PROJECT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL THE TALENT IS LEAVING.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 10:38:51 AM
Guest numbers skyrocketed.

KingShango disturbed the hornet's nest.
BETTER HOPE THAT COX ISN'T BRINGING MERCURYSTEAM ONTO HIS CONTRA PROJECT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL THE TALENT IS LEAVING.
Oh dear.

I would just can the idea altogether or use whatever they have now and make it a new IP.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 27, 2014, 10:39:18 AM
*See's my name on Gaf*

I made it ;D

Wait, Konami doesn't have ninja's do they? ???
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 10:41:04 AM
i dont mind Dracula turning into several rats for a few segments, but i wish they also gave him the ability to transform into a giant vicious wolf so we can at least maul those cyber-guards to death as opposed to crawling past their feet


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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 10:42:17 AM
*See's my name on Gaf*

I made it ;D

Wait, Konami doesn't have ninja's do they? ???

A couple cybernetic ones, yeah.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
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This post is probably sugarcoated with hyperbole, I apologize, I have some serious grudges against Capcom and how they do business and treat their IPs.

its a love/hate relationship with Capcom. cuz despite all their stupid decisions, they are still responsible for hundreds of iconic characters & series that we literally grew up with. if Capcom ever goes bankrupt, it will no doubt be devastating cuz they were such an awesome company and to see them reduced to this is just a terrible shame
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on February 27, 2014, 10:47:01 AM
A couple cybernetic ones, yeah.

Well shit, Im going off the grid before the goons come through the door, blasting me and taking my grog, See y'all later.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 10:51:06 AM
Yeah, it's uncalled for. But then again, what do you say to the guy who was stuck on it for 4 hours because he forgot his powers?
That wasn't against him. it was against me. I didn't need 4 hours.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 10:56:20 AM
its a love/hate relationship with Capcom. cuz despite all their stupid decisions, they are still responsible for hundreds of iconic characters & series that we literally grew up with. if Capcom ever goes bankrupt, it will no doubt be devastating cuz they were such an awesome company and to see them reduced to this is just a terrible shame

If that ever happened all of those IPs would go up for auction and someone would buy them. Hopefully Keiji Inafune's company could afford to purchase the Mega Man series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
so guys i forget to show u all what i got with my copy of los2

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Devil Mask coming soon!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 11:04:34 AM
That wasn't against him. it was against me. I didn't need 4 hours.

What you say to him?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 27, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
And it's finally time for me to take LoS2 for a spin, with the complete LoS mileage under my belt. Not too shabby at all.

Although I wish the PC version didn't come with console prompts. It took me fifteen minutes to figure out that the right analog stick was controlled by the mouse.  :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on February 27, 2014, 11:25:24 AM
so guys i forget to show u all what i got with my copy of los2



Devil Mask coming soon!

 Crisis, what edition is that? Preorder bonus?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 11:44:33 AM
so guys i forget to show u all what i got with my copy of los2

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Devil Mask coming soon!
why exactly is LoS2 coming with LoS1 materials?


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EDIT: I read a bit of that rant by that anonymous MS employee.

It's so sad. Though it DOES make A LOT of things much clearer. Suddenly Mirror of Fate being so strange and unpolished makes perfect sense. As well as the sudden change in art style for it, instead of the same one used in LoS. and the very strange hybrid of 2D and hack n slash.

willing to bet that was the MS team at their worst... and if it's true that MoF was developed by MS' "B" team, then it would make sense that they wouldn't be able to work well under the pressure, whereas the loS2 team was able to scrape by somehow.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 11:51:21 AM
Yeah I concur. I liked this Alucard, very ballsy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 11:55:39 AM
why exactly is LoS2 coming with LoS1 materials?


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EDIT: I read a bit of that rant by that anonymous MS employee.

It's so sad. Though it DOES make A LOT of things much clearer. Suddenly Mirror of Fate being so strange and unpolished makes perfect sense. As well as the sudden change in art style for it, instead of the same one used in LoS. and the very strange hybrid of 2D and hack n slash.

willing to bet that was the MS team at their worst... and if it's true that MoF was developed by MS' "B" team, then it would make sense that they wouldn't be able to work well under the pressure, whereas the loS2 team was able to scrape by somehow.

I thought the stated Lords of Shadow Timeline was as follows.

1046 - Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate (Gabriel Belmont)
1047 - Lords of Shadow
1073 - Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate (Trevor Belmont)
1101 - Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate (Simon Belmont and Alucard)
1102-2014 - Lords of Shadow 2
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
I thought the stated Lords of Shadow Timeline was as follows.

1046 - Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate (Gabriel Belmont)
1047 - Lords of Shadow
1073 - Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate (Trevor Belmont)
1101 - Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate (Simon Belmont and Alucard)
1102-2014 - Lords of Shadow 2
I don't know actually. now that i think about it, i may have misunderstood Alucard.

that said, there's still all of between the tutorial and LoS2 proper for an alucard game. :P

I just think it'd be a wasted opportunity not to do something more with Alucard besides just DLC and his MoF appearance. Mainly due to his sword skillz in LoS2 as opposed to his copypaste Trevor moveset from MoF.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 12:01:05 PM
Lord-Audie on GAF translated part of the MS employee's post:

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Greetings, given the situation, I would like to shed some light about the development of this game. I work for mercury steam and i would like to share my story anonymously about the things people don't know, the frustrations and information about the day to day of working there. This is dedicated to those that have put sweat and tears (he used an idiom that basically means the same) in the development of this game, specifically those that worked until the disaster that is lords of shadows 2.

- Kojima had nothing to do with the development of the first game, he put his stamp, came to the studio, signed a few things and that's it... no one should think otherwise. He had less to do on the sequel.

- The majority of the people that worked on this game believes that this game is pure shit (he add some things about shit on shoe soles). No one should be surprised about reviews.

- Enric Alvares is the one to blame for this. Without a doubt he is responsable of messing up the development of this game based on his judgment that overrode the opinions of programmers, designers and the people in charge of art.

- In spite of the good appearance he gives to the press, this "visionary" has more in common with David cage and Molyneaux. All style and no substance. This guy is serious trouble.

- This guy is all over himself (I presume that's what he means with "Mezquina y Altiva". Since the "success of lords of shadow 1" his ego has grown over the edge to the point that he doesn't even greet you when you pass him by on the studio. He doesn't believe on his staff.

jett translated some other relevant bits:
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-The entire team is aware that the game we made is a complete piece of shit, we wish it was fit to lick the boots of the original game.

-Enric Alvarez is to be blamed. Without a doubt he's the one who screwed up the development of this game, basing everything on his own personal criteria, ignoring programmers, desingers and artists.

- There's no corporate culture, just a handful of people working in the blind and at the mercy of the whims of an alleged visionary.

- Absolutely all design decisions are approved, appropriated and cut by Enric Alvarez.

- Future expectations are pretty much null. The publisher, Konami, isn't happy at all with the mediocre game we've made.

A lot of people in the staff think LoS2 is garbage, and Konami isn't happy about it either?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 12:02:59 PM
As unfortunate as this insider story fiasco is, I'm still loving the game, and I still want my DLC. You better give me my DLC Konami.

Gib me dlcies plox.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 12:04:26 PM
As unfortunate as this insider story fiasco is, I'm still loving the game, and I still want my DLC. You better give me my DLC Konami.

Gib me dlcies plox.
yeah, all things considered, despite a rocky development, it came out alright. I mean, with the horror story that is that dev story, it could have been MUCH worse.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevelyan on February 27, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
Sad to say, but that post about MS is fairly common stuff for game developers.  The bigger the success, the bigger the egos get, coupled with the pressure of AAA game finances.  "Must be able to work with 'strong personalities'" is literally a requirement in the job applications for some of these places.

Be thankful they handed the property off to someone else to make the next game, because it might go a newer passionate and fresh studio in the way MS probably was before.

Still I am surprised that they refer to the game as 'everyone knew it was shit', is it really that bad?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 12:06:03 PM
As unfortunate as this insider story fiasco is, I'm still loving the game, and I still want my DLC. You better give me my DLC Konami.

Gib me dlcies plox.
I wonder how much of the staff is left to work on the DLC. I wouldn't be getting too excited about it now if Mercury Steam is in such shitty shape now.

Now I understand why there's a possibility Konami might be handling LoS3 internally.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 12:07:45 PM
Well they weren't happy with his original ending at any rate. Which I'd have to agree with, it was super depressing and awfully dark.

I don't think the game is mediocre, the actual combat is much better than the first game but then again who knows, it could have been even better than what it is now, and is only at its current state because dude wouldn't listen to his staff.

Mechanically they still made a good game, but not knowing where the team could have/would have taken the setting, story, and ending, I'm sure being in the know of what might have been but wasn't would piss them off quite a bit if they had something better in mind but one mans ego vetoed the concepts.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
Now I'm curious about the things we never got to see because of Enric. Perhaps lost concept art will surface over the years.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 12:09:29 PM
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Crisis, what edition is that? Preorder bonus?

it is just the lords of shadow press release kit, given only to members of the press. now its mine

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why exactly is LoS2 coming with LoS1 materials?

so do u think model A is just an homage to Axl
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 12:10:05 PM
I wonder how much of the staff is left to work on the DLC. I wouldn't be getting too excited about it now if Mercury Steam is in such shitty shape now.

Now I understand why there's a possibility Konami might be handling LoS3 internally.

Lords of Shadow 3 featuring Swords and Alucard, and made for Konami by Platinum. Pre-Order now for your Raiden DLC Skin.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 12:12:58 PM
Lords of Shadow 3 featuring Swords and Alucard, and made for Konami by Platinum. Pre-Order now for your Raiden DLC Skin.
I can already see an Alucard skin happening in a Rising 2, if they do make it.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 12:13:27 PM
I wonder how much of the staff is left to work on the DLC. I wouldn't be getting too excited about it now if Mercury Steam is in such shitty shape now.

Now I understand why there's a possibility Konami might be handling LoS3 internally.

I know, but...it's just not over yet!

I mean, Victor needs to be more fleshed out, and Alucard deserves some actual playtime.

And deep, deep down inside, I'm still hoping for a secret ending. At least until I get it disproven. I don't mind the positive nature of the ending like some people, but the last thing I want is a damn cliffhanger ending, especially if MS is going to shit.

I. Need. Closure. Dammit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 12:21:20 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 12:25:55 PM
Well

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 27, 2014, 12:29:37 PM
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- Future expectations are pretty much null. The publisher, Konami, isn't happy at all with the mediocre game we've made.

Now I really wonder if this has any connection with IGA being trotted out again at GDC 2014.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on February 27, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
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- Future expectations are pretty much null. The publisher, Konami, isn't happy at all with the mediocre game we've made.

Pfft, just a bunch of IGA conspirists. I bet he bought out all the suits. Let's go add more 10/10 reviews on Metacritic to spread the gospel truth.     
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kamirine on February 27, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Now I really wonder if this has any connection with IGA being trotted out again at GDC 2014.

IGA is said to be coming back at GDC?  When is that again?

Anywho...well that developer's whistle blowing probably explains a lot of the story and general direction of the game.  I said in another thread I felt LoS being a Castlevania game was second place...maybe I was right.

But overall, I'll say this:
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 12:54:51 PM
Now I really wonder if this has any connection with IGA being trotted out again at GDC 2014.
Pfft, just a bunch of IGA conspirists. I bet he bought out all the suits. Let's go add more 10/10 reviews on Metacritic to spread the gospel truth.   
It's really weird IGA just suddenly appears again after, what, 4 years?

Leak guy did say something about the next game being directed toward the Japanese crowd, I can't remember the exact quote but it was along those lines.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 01:07:14 PM
It's really weird IGA just suddenly appears again after, what, 4 years?

Leak guy did say something about the next game being directed toward the Japanese crowd, I can't remember the exact quote but it was along those lines.

I welcome the return of IGA as long as he puts a little effort into mixing it up a bit. Just SOMETHING new.

If I see that damn skeleton sprite one more time...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kamirine on February 27, 2014, 01:10:27 PM
It's really weird IGA just suddenly appears again after, what, 4 years?

Leak guy did say something about the next game being directed toward the Japanese crowd, I can't remember the exact quote but it was along those lines.

It is a very conveniently odd that he just show up like this.  He could have done this years ago.

Should he make a comeback,  I want my 1999 game FINALLY.  Maybe in the style of CV III.  Or maybe that and a remake of CV III.  And new sprites if it's 2D damn it!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on February 27, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
Another day and I could play 2 hours. Here's my review of where I am currently.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 27, 2014, 01:24:05 PM
I just want /something/ I simply can't wait 4 years for a new Castlevania.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 01:26:55 PM
Order of Ecclesia was the last thing he worked on right? That was 6 years ago. Whatever happens next I hope we still play as Dracula, seems no fun going back to the same ol' same ol' already, and Soma doesn't count.

Maybe you'll luck out Ahasverus and the next game will be for the 3DS and come out in just 1 or 2 years.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 27, 2014, 01:27:53 PM
Ok I've barred my doors and window's and I have an imaginary Mossberg for whatever mechanical ninja comes through.

Even after all of what was posted about the studio's internal issues, I still like the game, even moreso than the last but it's disheartening to hear about what the LOS saga as a whole could have been if it weren't for the over excessive meddling, especially LOS2.

They're definitely some talent over there at Mercurysteam but to hear them being held back by one man's ego is sad.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
I just want /something/ I simply can't wait 4 years for a new Castlevania.
All good things take time.

I think a break would be wise for the brand. I'd rather Konami research and plan out their next strategy instead of rushing another game out, but then again they are a business so you might just get your wish.

Practically all of my favorite franchises are either dead or have been beaten to death by the problems of current and last gen, I would hate to see Castlevania join the obituaries too.
They're definitely some talent over there at Mercurysteam but to hear them being held back by one man's ego is sad.
Wish the money I have put towards that artbook would go to the talented artists, they deserve it. I said it a gorillian times and I'll say it again, say what you want about the gameplay and everything else about LoS but the art direction is just too fucking good.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 01:32:04 PM
i always felt that to close the canon timeline proper, they should release 3 games on the 3DS

the first being 1897, aka "Bram Stoker's Castlevania"
the second, i dunno, a game starring Soleiyu perhaps? or a game that takes place between loi & cviii? or just a cviii remake
lastly, 1999
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 27, 2014, 01:52:28 PM
Another day and I could play 2 hours. Here's my review of where I am currently.

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Man that death...
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 27, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
Order of Ecclesia was the last thing he worked on right? That was 6 years ago. Whatever happens next I hope we still play as Dracula, seems no fun going back to the same ol' same ol' already, and Soma doesn't count.
Maybe you'll luck out Ahasverus and the next game will be for the 3DS and come out in just 1 or 2 years.
The only reason they chose to focus on Dracula for LoS was because they never focused on him before. LoS was to be MAINLY the "Dracula story" and that's concluded. Why continue to play as Dracula? That's like saying, "Fuck Link, let's just make the LoZ series, from here on out, be ONLY about playing as Ganon/Ganondorf!". Besides, fun is what you make of it. As long as the characters are engaging and the gameplay is good, it really doesn't matter WHO you play as.

Personally, like I said before, I'd love a focus on both. Maybe a more family dynamic(give Dracula a family, like his brothers Mircea and Radu). Maybe make family a main theme(very Game of Throne-ish in that regards, House versus House). Have the new CVs focus on not only the Belmont clan and Dracula(and his family), but also the Belnades, the Danasty clan, maybe even the Bernhards(bring them back as rivals to Dracula and his family). I think there's some crazy cool things you can do by exploring all that instead of just skimming over it(like the original canon) or focusing solely on one character(LoS). It's also something that would lend itself nicely to historical progression, and span centuries telling the story(again, not skimming over it, but giving depth to the Belmonts who against Dracula and his cursed family).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Gamermeister on February 27, 2014, 02:07:25 PM
Beat the game. I really only have one BIG gripe:

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Beyond that, fun game. Plus 1 whole bonus point for

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Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 02:21:16 PM
Beat the game. I really only have one BIG gripe:

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Beyond that, fun game. Plus 1 whole bonus point for

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 27, 2014, 02:43:13 PM
The only reason they chose to focus on Dracula for LoS was because they never focused on him before. LoS was to be MAINLY the "Dracula story" and that's concluded. Why continue to play as Dracula? That's like saying, "Fuck Link, let's just make the LoZ series, from here on out, be ONLY about playing as Ganon/Ganondorf!". Besides, fun is what you make of it. As long as the characters are engaging and the gameplay is good, it really doesn't matter WHO you play as.

Personally, like I said before, I'd love a focus on both. Maybe a more family dynamic(give Dracula a family, like his brothers Mircea and Radu). Maybe make family a main theme(very Game of Throne-ish in that regards, House versus House). Have the new CVs focus on not only the Belmont clan and Dracula(and his family), but also the Belnades, the Danasty clan, maybe even the Bernhards(bring them back as rivals to Dracula and his family). I think there's some crazy cool things you can do by exploring all that instead of just skimming over it(like the original canon) or focusing solely on one character(LoS). It's also something that would lend itself nicely to historical progression, and span centuries telling the story(again, not skimming over it, but giving depth to the Belmonts who against Dracula and his cursed family).

I never said make the franchise about him and Zelda has never had a game focus on Gannondorf so it wouldn't be like that at all and is not a valid comparison.

Playing as Dracula in LoS2 was really fun, I just think that only getting one game like that in nearly three decades is kind of a shame and one or two more wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 27, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 27, 2014, 03:06:17 PM
I never said make the franchise about him and Zelda has never had a game focus on Gannondorf so it wouldn't be like that at all and is not a valid comparison.

Playing as Dracula in LoS2 was really fun, I just think that only getting one game like that in nearly three decades is kind of a shame and one or two more wouldn't hurt.

Maybe is the fact that Dracula was the main antagonist since the first Castlevania, with the exception of Aria and Dawn (you know who is Soma). As for a Dracula´s story, I had enough with the LoS games. I want to be the vampire hunter again...

i always felt that to close the canon timeline proper, they should release 3 games on the 3DS

the first being 1897, aka "Bram Stoker's Castlevania"
the second, i dunno, a game starring Soleiyu perhaps? or a game that takes place between loi & cviii? or just a cviii remake
lastly, 1999

I vote for a Dracula´s Curse Chronicles, with the original game (with saving feature) and a remake. 2D is okay, but I am fine with a 2.5 D like Dracula X Chronicles or Mirror of Fate. Not a metroidvania, please, just a classic game, with different paths, like in CVIII. That´s why is my favorite game :). (I know that Rondo of Blood has too, but I like it more CVIII)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shinobi on February 27, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
i always felt that to close the canon timeline proper, they should release 3 games on the 3DS
the first being 1897, aka "Bram Stoker's Castlevania"
the second, i dunno, a game starring Soleiyu perhaps? or a game that takes place between loi & cviii? or just a cviii remake
lastly, 1999

I don't think Bram Stoker's novel was supposed to be canon in Castlevania storyline, Only the US version of Bloodlines use it as a backstory for the game. Someone posted a translation from the manual of japanese version of Bloodlines(Vampire Killer) and nothing written or mentioned about Bram Stoker's novel but something about Elizabeth's involvement for the assassination of a queen, Quincy Morris may have nothing to do for killing Dracula before his son does but only mentioned his name and that's it.

Neither of those 3 you've mentioned will be a proper closure for castlevania timeline since we already have one and that was the Sorrow games which sets in the latest era, they are nothing more but fillers.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 27, 2014, 03:40:45 PM
I don't think Bram Stoker's novel was supposed to be canon in Castlevania storyline, Only the US version of Bloodlines use it as a backstory for the game. Someone posted a translation from the manual of japanese version of Bloodlines(Vampire Killer) and nothing written or mentioned about Bram Stoker's novel but something about Elizabeth's involvement for the assassination of a queen, Quincy Morris may have nothing to do for killing Dracula before his son does but only mentioned his name and that's it.

Neither of those 3 you've mentioned will be a proper closure for castlevania timeline since we already have one and that was the Sorrow games which sets in the latest era, they are nothing more but fillers.

I though that Elizabeth was involved in the death of Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austrian-Hungary empire, the reason to the World War I began, isn´t?

But agree, that the story of Braham Stoker does not feel in the canon at all, only for the Morris name.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shinobi on February 27, 2014, 03:50:08 PM
I just reread the translation from the japanese manual and Quincy Morris did killed Dracula before his son does sorry, but nothing mentioned how he killed Dracula, maybe he used Vampire Killer instead of a knife like the novel does? :rollseyes: Also the japanese manual never mentioned that John Morriss and Eric Lecarde was there as a witness.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 27, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
Playing as Dracula in LoS2 was really fun, I just think that only getting one game like that in nearly three decades is kind of a shame and one or two more wouldn't hurt.
Well, he IS the villain of the series for a reason. Besides, if it's gameplay-wise, mostly everything THIS Dracula can do, so can Alucard(original canon and LoS).

Besides, I love my Dracula to be evil. Maybe turn up the notch and have him extra sadistic in whatever new CV story/reboot they go with next. I want one where he's abducting villages and having them impaled in his courtyard or skinning them alive in his dungeon.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 27, 2014, 05:11:24 PM
To be fair, IMO, there is nothing wrong with the Agreus section. It took me like 5 minutes.
There's NOTHING wrong for you on this game.

It's like every game is perfect for some people... good god,just admit that some games have problems. There's nothing wrong in stating negative things about a game, it won't make the game worse for you anyway. But saying that that POS design is good actually makes me pissed off!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 05:12:06 PM
Neper from GAF fully translated the anonymous employee's post:

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Well, I would like to shed some light over the development of this game... Working with Mercury Steam -and I would like to tell this anonymously- is about an everyday frustration. Here's to every guy that has experienced hell during the development of this game, but especially to those who have led this to the mess that Lords of Shadows 2 is:

- Kojima had little to nothing to do with the development of the first game, he came by, set a seal, visited the studio, signed some things and that was it. He had even less to do with Mirror of Fate and LoS2.

The vast majority of this team is aware that the game we've done is a real piece of shit that has nothing to do with the first one's quality and production values... Nobody is surprised by the low reviews we've got.

- If there's someone to blame here, that's Enric Álvarez. He is the person who has led a broken development based on his personal criteria, completely overlooking programmers, designers and artists. Despite his nice look to the press, often considered as some sort of creative "visionary" in the looks of David Cage and Molyneux, this guy has serious problems. He is a mean and naughty guy, and since the "success Lords of Shadows 1" his ego has grown to the point of not even daring to say 'hello' when you meet him in the hallway.

His distrust to his own workers is enormous. Most of the development team often found out features of the game through press news, rather than from the studio's head - unbelievable. And there is no corporate culture here at all... this is just a handful of people working blindly and at the disposal of an alleged visionary.

- The studio's internal structure is archaic, still based on the old partners of the Scrapland days. I'll give you an example so you can see the full picture: the studio's signature engine (one with many flaws) was solely coded by two guys, one of them being a founder of the company and Enric's confident. Access for the new programmers to the source code to update or refurbish the engine is denied, so things are still done in a 10-year-old fashion.

- Many of the studio founders are people with zero abilities for running a studio. Often here newbie developers know more than their own bosses. This structure only leads to a slow, messy and absurd development process, with the end result of Lords of Shadows 2 being a perfect example of what happens due to that.

- Absolutely every design idea has to be monitored, taken away and mutilated by Enric Álvarez. Several game designers have grown tired of this and have abandoned the studio.

- The art direction for this project has been erratic and beheaded. After Enric dismissed every idea and core decission from our main art director for the previous projects, he decided to just leave. It was a battle of egos unleashed by Enric (something that he has carried over with since his times in Rebel Act). Our now former art director is still working in Madrid, now with the Tequila guys making RIME.

- Many others have just turned to other studios offers, sick of the situation here. Almost every month we see fellow devs packing up and getting out of here looking for a new job abroad -that's sad-. It's amazing how the biggest AAA game developer in Spain is not even willing to make its workers a counteroffer. This company does not think highly of its talented workers and their good work. There has never been any kind of salary bonus or anything that remotely resembles it. Not even a single "Good job team!" acknowledgement.

- The production management for this project has been terrible, way often the heads of each department dismissed every production deadline and imposed their own criteria. As a result, the development was delayed for six months, and that investment only came out of MercurySteam's pockets.

Many can't help comparing this situation to something similar that already happened in a company in which many of us worked: Pyro Studios (the team behind the Commandos saga). The QA department is treated like cattle, with shameful wages and almost everyday bullying.

- Expectations for our future are quite bad... with a publisher like Konami really upset after the mediocre game we've made.

- After completing Lords of Shadows 2 MercurySteam has fired 35 workers, and it's embarrasing that no website or journalist is talking about that. More firings are expected to come in the following days.

- And finally, because not everything is bad in here, I wanted to say that the real team behind this company is an incredible bunch of people. If all those guys who are not allowed to be promoted due to our Jurassic studio leads had the chance to set the course of the company, our future would be so bright. There's just so much passion and talent here, more than I've ever seen anywhere else, but it's completely held back. I really hope that those who read this understand what we've lived here. Someone has to say this so it is not lost in time after the game's launch.

Thank you for reading me.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 27, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
If is true, is really sad that things like this was happening in the development of LoS 2. But, I think that if a LoS 3 or a prequel were in development, then we were talking about real problems. I hope that Mercury Steam not disappear, like other companies, recent or old.

EDIT: But the situation inner MS, is the cause of the final product in LoS 2? That would be even sad.

- Kojima had little to nothing to do with the development of the first game, he came by, set a seal, visited the studio, signed some things and that was it. He had even less to do with Mirror of Fate and LoS2.

This is not new for me, as has being said, his name was only a hook to give a bigger expectation for the first LoS 1 (not in me, because I am not a fan of Kojima games). I remember that his major contribution was to change the face of the original Gabriel into the definitive one, am I wrong?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
One of my favorite parts about this game is the music. It's so much better than LoS1, which i thought was fine, though maybe a bit too bombastic and hollywood.

the themes this time round are nicer.

I specifically like the battle themes and the ambient castle themes.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on February 27, 2014, 06:08:53 PM
Neper from GAF fully translated the anonymous employee's post:

Cox vs Enric then, who would win a battle of cockyness?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 06:20:21 PM
So, does anyone have rips of the artwork in the Journal? I want to see those Belmont Lineage illustrations, no one has bothered to upload any of it yet.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on February 27, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
Hey guys its been awhile. I am ten-twelve hours into game. I am enjoying it so far although I am mixed on whether this game is better than Lords of Shadow 1 or not. Although Lords of Shadow 2 is better in gameplay department, Lords of Shadow felt more focused. There was beautiful vistas and enemy variety while in this game besides castle segments, the art design is sorely lacking. Seriously there are few good enemy types the rest are generic. Also why the fuck can't you kill the Golgoth guards. Now here is two big story problem I had so far.

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Anyway should be done soon and will post a review of it when I am done.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 27, 2014, 07:30:14 PM
And so, according to our friend Enric Alvarez (and a CVG review):

https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/439019647933759488

Of course. It's all our fault.
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Post by: KaZudra on February 27, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
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Open world feels great, I'm going to gather secrets before Doing the New Game +
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Also, Guardian Keys are in the City of the Damned, be sure to have 3 on you at almost all times.
Death battle was great, I mastered all weapons pretty easy there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 27, 2014, 07:52:30 PM
And so, according to our friend Enric Alvarez (and a CVG review):

https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/439019647933759488

Of course. It's all our fault.

Well, maybe he only cited that review to justify the other ones. The bad ones. But, the title seems kind of stupid. At last, the reviewer gave the game a 8 :rollseyes:.

I don´t remember that the fans (well, in this forum) ask for stealth sections in the game. In resume, if they are the words of Mr. Alvarez too, is a very dissapointment statement...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JayDominus on February 27, 2014, 07:53:45 PM
The good bits range from decent to drop-dead gorgeous. The bad bits... ugh. Agreus and stealth sections in the second half shouldn't be in the game. Also, the ending is pretty damn lame.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 08:02:23 PM
And so, according to our friend Enric Alvarez (and a CVG review):

https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/439019647933759488

Of course. It's all our fault.
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"Would these hiccups have slipped through had the team been focused on the template perfected in the first game? Who knows. The true irony? The story is about a man brought low by listening to the advice of others. Just as Gabriel was wrong to answer the call of fate, so MercurySteam should know to tread its own course, instead of swaying to satisfy the Castlevania old guard. In trying to be all things to all people it offers less to those that loved it for what it was. Forget the dead family and vampiric curse - that's the true tragedy of this Dracula."
What a crock of shit. Why is everyone suddenly acting like LoS1 was a masterpiece?

After reading that anonymous employee's post it sounds like this review was bought out; pin everything on the fans instead of your own internal struggles.

Enric Alvarez is on my shit list now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on February 27, 2014, 08:03:59 PM
And so, according to our friend Enric Alvarez (and a CVG review):

https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/439019647933759488

Of course. It's all our fault.

Didn't think I'd lose this much respect for a guy this fast. Hell Cox is looking like a saint compared to him.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dominus on February 27, 2014, 08:14:58 PM
What an idiot.

IDK about Cox. I pay attention to him a lot. IDC about him lying about the plot and the "forget all you know about CV" tho. The masks are a important part of CV was dumb tho
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 27, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
Didn't think I'd lose this much respect for a guy this fast. Hell Cox is looking like a saint compared to him.
Cox isn't a bad guy (I think), he just says more than he should and has an issue with lieing. A lot.

Or, perhaps, to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe some of the things he's said and promised were in the works but were shot down by Enric early on? Now I feel like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, I'm gonna stop myself there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Little Dracula on February 27, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
Didn't think I'd lose this much respect for a guy this fast. Hell Cox is looking like a saint compared to him.

Are you serious?, he is retweeting positive reviews, that's all, he never said that he blame the fans. And about the employee stuff, I don't know if is true or false but is sad that some random guy said something like that with not proof and people believe like it is fact, I guess this is perfect for those who hate LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 27, 2014, 08:23:27 PM
And so, according to our friend Enric Alvarez (and a CVG review):

https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/439019647933759488

Of course. It's all our fault.

That review is highly critical and isn't exactly excusing MS for its divergence from the first game.

If you walked away from that review thinking "it's the fans' fault" I have to question whether you actually read anything other than the headline or the last paragraph.

Also, Did someone here just consider the idea that THIS review was bought out? This one? Really?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 08:27:45 PM
WOW, that ending.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on February 27, 2014, 08:39:35 PM
I'm not having fun anymore... I'm just going automatically on my "complete everything 100%" mode now.

Reggreting this a lot... I should have waited.
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Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 08:54:45 PM
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Post by: Shinobi on February 27, 2014, 09:08:16 PM
Well, he IS the villain of the series for a reason. Besides, if it's gameplay-wise, mostly everything THIS Dracula can do, so can Alucard(original canon and LoS).

Besides, I love my Dracula to be evil. Maybe turn up the notch and have him extra sadistic in whatever new CV story/reboot they go with next. I want one where he's abducting villages and having them impaled in his courtyard or skinning them alive in his dungeon.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: RichterB on February 27, 2014, 09:09:01 PM
Did Kurt or Jorge sign off on their thoughts about the game yet?

I'm not having fun anymore... I'm just going automatically on my "complete everything 100%" mode now.

Reggreting this a lot... I should have waited.

Sorry to hear this. I've been there before with games. The first time I recall feeling it with a Castlevania game was Curse of Darkness I believe (though it did introduce a fully functional 3D camera). I was afraid I'd get the same feeling with LoS2, so I just had to hold my ground after caving in on LoS1. What would you say is the biggest problem: Level design, combat, or the Lords of Shadows universe story?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
What DOES Jorge think?

WE SUMMON THEE, OH MIGHTY ADMINISTRATOR OF DARKNESS!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 09:39:10 PM
There's NOTHING wrong for you on this game.

It's like every game is perfect for some people... good god,just admit that some games have problems. There's nothing wrong in stating negative things about a game, it won't make the game worse for you anyway. But saying that that POS design is good actually makes me pissed off!

Alright, let me give it a shot...

FUCK, THIS TOOK ME FIVE WHOLE FUCKING MINUTES! COME ON MERCURYSTEAM, GET WITH THE FUCKING PROGRAM!

Seriously, your anger is amusing. What's my opinion to you? I honestly have no problem with the Agreus part. Put on your big boy pants and deal with it.

Cox isn't a bad guy (I think), he just says more than he should and has an issue with lieing. A lot.

Or, perhaps, to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe some of the things he's said and promised were in the works but were shot down by Enric early on? Now I feel like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, I'm gonna stop myself there.

That's...exactly the thought I had early today.

It's all part of the twist: While Enric presented the whole nice guy face, and Cox took the heat for being the big bad producer, it turns out Cox only had the fans in mind while Enric was off playing MS Dictator.

He will die a martyr. He also confirmed that there IS a 100% reward. No idea what it is, but damn now I'm going to be hunting like crazy for artwork.

EDIT: AND THEN HE TWEETED "Oops gotta watch them spoilers!" GOD DAMMIT DAVE! GET YOUR CLAWS OUT OF MY EMOTIONS!

WOW, that ending.

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Let's hope it's DLC bait. I need some damn closure.

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I don't know how I feel right now. 6/10 at it's worst, 9/10 at it's best, averaging out to about a 8/10? I dunno.

I'm just really frustrated by that ending. MoF still holds the award for being my favorite Castlevania of all time.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 09:54:38 PM

That's...exactly the thought I had early today.

It's all part of the twist: While Enric presented the whole nice guy face, and Cox took the heat for being the big bad producer, it turns out Cox only had the fans in mind while Enric was off playing MS Dictator.
it is very possible. VERY possible, and i would believe it.

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He will die a martyr. He also confirmed that there IS a 100% reward. No idea what it is, but damn now I'm going to be hunting like crazy for artwork.

EDIT: AND THEN HE TWEETED "Oops gotta watch them spoilers!" GOD DAMMIT DAVE! GET YOUR CLAWS OUT OF MY EMOTIONS!
Welp, time to go item hunting I guess. I only have 1 upgrade left to find for health, and 2 each for chaos and void... other than that, artwork time i guess. Time to star smashing things everywhere. I swear to IGA if they pulled a SoTN fake ending, I might just strangle someone. Then again, probably shouldnt get my hopes up. probably an unlockable or something.

speaking of smashing- barrels only take one hit!

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Let's hope it's DLC bait. I need some damn closure.
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I don't know how I feel right now. 6/10 at it's worst, 9/10 at it's best, averaging out to about a 8/10? I dunno.

I'm just really frustrated by that ending. MoF still holds the award for being my favorite Castlevania of all time.
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I'd say 6.5/10 is about right. 7/10 depending on the time of day and my mood at the moment. Also I liked the Second Acolyte battle. it was too easy, but it was cool and fun.
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Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 10:04:40 PM
i just need my alucard fix

My fiancee spent the whole game asking me "Is Alucard on yet? Has Alucard shown up yet?"
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I'd say 6.5/10 is about right. 7/10 depending on the time of day and my mood at the moment. Also I liked the Second Acolyte battle. it was too easy, but it was cool and fun.

6.5 is just too low for me. I just can't rate this game lower than Final Fantasy XIII.
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Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 10:28:42 PM
I wonder, what counts as 100%? Do achievements count? Do Kleidos challenges count? or just collectibles like in MoF?

I wonder because there's an achievement for completing 110% of the game. wheres that 10% come from?
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Post by: e105beta on February 27, 2014, 10:34:53 PM
I wonder, what counts as 100%? Do achievements count? Do Kleidos challenges count? or just collectibles like in MoF?

I wonder because there's an achievement for completing 110% of the game. wheres that 10% come from?

Ideally 100% would unlock something, then 110% would be after completing the unlocked content.

I've got time. I'm just going to do everything, see what happens. If this turns out to be some secret boss leading to a real ending, I will be floored. I'm expecting a skin.
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Post by: Flame on February 27, 2014, 10:44:31 PM
They set the bar pretty high in MoF as far as 100% content goes. Just a skin unlockable would be the worst.

EDIT: question, where does the Konami code go? what part of the menu?
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Post by: Munchy on February 27, 2014, 10:49:11 PM
And so, according to our friend Enric Alvarez (and a CVG review):

https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/439019647933759488

Of course. It's all our fault.

That review is kind of funny, because it doesn't actually link "fan pressure" with what they saw wrong with the game (namely, the automatic platforming, stealth sections, and modernity???).

Most of the reviews paint a similar picture - that it's at turns a great game, though one that assumes the player has some severe ADD that will dissuade them from doing any one action (combat, platforming, puzzle) for more than five minutes before writing it off as boring.
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Post by: derision on February 27, 2014, 11:17:57 PM
Dracula gives out an audible chuckle before attacking the kid. Might be more noticeable with earphones or a headset, but it's unmistakable.
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Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 12:25:03 AM
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Post by: Chernabogue on February 28, 2014, 01:48:12 AM
Dracula gives out an audible chuckle before attacking the kid. Might be more noticeable with earphones or a headset, but it's unmistakable.
He does.
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Post by: thernz on February 28, 2014, 01:50:15 AM
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Post by: The Silverlord on February 28, 2014, 02:53:41 AM
What a crock of shit. Why is everyone suddenly acting like LoS1 was a masterpiece?

To be fair, CVG awarded the original Lords of Shadow a 9.4/10 and highly praised it, saying 'this 24 year-old franchise centred squarely on the undead, has just been given an incredible new lease of life'

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/268667/reviews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-review/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/268667/reviews/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-review/)

The first game did rather well in UK press: GamesMaster 94, Xbox World 360 Magazine 92, OXM 90, IGN UK 85, GamesTM 8, Edge 8
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Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 06:24:55 AM
I think that the extra 10% comes from getting all 4 conditions on each Kleidos Challenge. The 4th condition always being that you get conditions 1, 2, and 3, in the same attempt.

Or I'm hoping that's the case because those optional conditions seem like they're going to be a huge pain in the ass, especially on Prince of Darkness. Whatever we get for 100% is definitely more than a Trophy or an Achievement because the game doesn't have one for getting just 100%. You get "The Outer Limits" for getting 110%.

I would love for it to be Draculas staple cape fireball move. I was really hoping that'd be one of the Chaos Claw attacks, but it was not.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: jormungand on February 28, 2014, 06:39:54 AM
Cox isn't a bad guy (I think), he just says more than he should and has an issue with lieing. A lot.

Or, perhaps, to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe some of the things he's said and promised were in the works but were shot down by Enric early on? Now I feel like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, I'm gonna stop myself there.

If only you knew how Cox handles some contracts with Konami Jpn...
Hint: Small letters on a contract prevented the game for being launched last year.
That's all I can say.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 06:50:45 AM
Well if the development was as much of a mess as that leak says it was, the game being delayed was probably a good thing.
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Post by: jormungand on February 28, 2014, 06:56:09 AM
The game went gold last year, they delayed it for, let's say, rea$$ons.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 28, 2014, 07:01:03 AM
The game was originally had a November release last I heard.
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Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 07:05:16 AM
The game went gold last year, they delayed it for, let's say, rea$$ons.

Ah that's different then.
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Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 07:17:41 AM
I think that the extra 10% comes from getting all 4 conditions on each Kleidos Challenge. The 4th condition always being that you get conditions 1, 2, and 3, in the same attempt.

Or I'm hoping that's the case because those optional conditions seem like they're going to be a huge pain in the ass, especially on Prince of Darkness. Whatever we get for 100% is definitely more than a Trophy or an Achievement because the game doesn't have one for getting just 100%. You get "The Outer Limits" for getting 110%.

I would love for it to be Draculas staple cape fireball move. I was really hoping that'd be one of the Chaos Claw attacks, but it was not.

Does Prince of Darkness give you any completion rate?

Because I'm trying to think of the best way to go about this. Can I collect everything on my first playthough, then New Game+ and just beat the game? Do the Kleidos challenges carry over?

UGH, I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THIS BONUS IS! Here's hoping 100% unlocks some new gameplay segment and then 110% comes from completing that gameplay segment.
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Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 07:22:10 AM
From what I've read, New Game+ carries over your health, void, and chaos meters, and gives you all of your experience and mastery back so you can buy all of your old skills again, or if you beat the game without all of them bought, buy different ones first this time around.

There is a separate trophy/achievement for completing all of the Kleidos on Prince of Darkness mode specifically. So either they don't carry over, OR the Kleidos Challenges are unique to that difficulty with different enemy sets and optional conditions.

Either way I'm sure beating the game on Prince of Darkness counts in and of itself.
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Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 07:25:59 AM
From what I've read, New Game+ carries over your health, void, and chaos meters, and gives you all of your experience and mastery back so you can buy all of your old skills again, or if you beat the game without all of them bought, buy different ones first this time around.

There is a separate trophy/achievement for completing all of the Kleidos on Prince of Darkness mode specifically. So either they don't carry over, OR the Kleidos Challenges are unique to that difficulty with different enemy sets and optional conditions.

Either way I'm sure beating the game on Prince of Darkness counts in and of itself.

Someone on GameFAQs says he's 2 diaries away from 110%, but didn't mention anything about getting anything for 100%. So there goes my theory.

It's looking like a skin.

The Price is Right losing horn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A#)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 08:05:51 AM
So why is
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Post by: Shinobi on February 28, 2014, 08:13:16 AM
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Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 08:21:42 AM
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Post by: flyingchai on February 28, 2014, 08:23:50 AM
Prince of Darkness mode is already a real bitch, I actually died thrice just in the prologue.
I never got a gameover once in the prologue even in all those times I played the demo!
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 28, 2014, 08:56:05 AM
So, remember when in LOS1 you couldn't start from scratch paladin mode, is it the same in LOS2?
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Post by: flyingchai on February 28, 2014, 08:59:28 AM
So, remember when in LOS1 you couldn't start from scratch paladin mode, is it the same in LOS2?

You do start a brand new game, only when you get the Void Sword, Chaos Claws, and their primordial projectile gems, you can buy all of the combos you got the first time around straightaway. All secrets you discovered the first time around are also still discovered and you don't have to find them again.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 09:14:17 AM
So I put in the Konami code. Dracula winks instead of angrily looking at you.

Not sure what else it does though aside from that.

EDIT: Im dumb, gives you the cheat menu. Where you can give yourself all gems, god mode, etc
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Post by: flyingchai on February 28, 2014, 09:17:13 AM
So I put in the Konami code. Dracula winks instead of angrily looking at you.

Not sure what else it does though aside from that.

Check the Extras menu, there might be cheat options.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 28, 2014, 09:17:43 AM
So I put in the Konami code. Dracula winks instead of angrily looking at you.

Not sure what else it does though aside from that.
lol where did you put it?
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 28, 2014, 09:29:00 AM
What's God mode?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 28, 2014, 09:30:45 AM
So I put in the Konami code. Dracula winks instead of angrily looking at you.

Not sure what else it does though aside from that.

EDIT: Im dumb, gives you the cheat menu. Where you can give yourself all gems, god mode, etc
Noo fucking way :D :ultra happy:
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Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 09:33:07 AM
Just a heads up, turning on any cheats is going to disable the game from saving your data and prevent you from unlocking any achievements/trophies.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 28, 2014, 09:49:21 AM
Just a heads up, turning on any cheats is going to disable the game from saving your data and prevent you from unlocking any achievements/trophies.
That is roundable with some save edits.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 28, 2014, 10:05:35 AM
So I put in the Konami code. Dracula winks instead of angrily looking at you.

Not sure what else it does though aside from that.

EDIT: Im dumb, gives you the cheat menu. Where you can give yourself all gems, god mode, etc
Oh goodness I need to see this. How campy is Gabriel's face when he does it? Is it like "'AAAAAAAAYYY"? That sounds gif worthy.
If only you knew how Cox handles some contracts with Konami Jpn...
Hint: Small letters on a contract prevented the game for being launched last year.
That's all I can say.
I don't feel comfortable talking about the inner workings of Mercury Steam anymore, I'd rather not bring drama to this forum or have anymore Konami heads looking at this place.

But, that's pretty funny if that is the reason there was a delay. I'm guessing he didn't see the fine print?
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Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 10:16:10 AM
Here it is.

still processing, but give it a little time...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YWStwn-Kg0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YWStwn-Kg0#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 28, 2014, 11:18:19 AM
Ahasverus edit your post on GAF, it wasn't me who found the cheat menu. :V

It was Flame.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on February 28, 2014, 11:27:00 AM
You folks are just now finding about the cheat menu? This was discovered by someone on gamefaqs several days ago.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/68663290 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/672716-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2/68663290)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 28, 2014, 11:31:15 AM
The plot thickens.

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28/02/ UPDATE - Spanish website "Vadejuegos" confirmed with their own sources if the info posted here was true. Their results next:

- Vadejuegos is in position of confirming the story and clarifying some aspects of it.
- Development of Casltevania was very problematic due to leadership and communication problems.
- "Development problems are basically what was posted online".
- "In the end, the lead end up being the person who has been here for the most time or laughs the most at Alvarez' jokes"
- "Being creative there is complicated. People's ideas don't get anywhere. Rafael Jimenez, art director got tired of that and ended up in Tequila. They had him hand tied. He said "Well, here you remain with your brilliant ideas"".
- "Jimenez did the first game's art which was awesome, and (thanks to his departure) this second one is a Frankenstein. There is a power struggle. Some parts are pretty, some aren't".
- "This Castlevania ended up being a little weird due to that. Each department goes with itself and there is no internal communication".
- "They mistreat their people. They.. distrust themselves. It's a very weird ambient, very little creative"
- Relating the stealth sections: "Some of us said, "But what is this? Are we really doing this? Why rats? Really?". Those things were bad and talked between us. This has been like this for 2 years, not before.
- "There weren't any meetings. We found out things llots of times by the press".
- Regarding the first post veracity: "It's not true (that I know of) that Konami is displeased with the game. That can't be known yet".
- "The delay didn't involve out pocket's money (that we know of) it was the normal thing caused by a production of this size.
- Alvarez has been contacted.


http://www.vadejuegos.com/noticias/desvelamos-los-problemas-de-desarrollo-de-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-20140228.html (http://www.vadejuegos.com/noticias/desvelamos-los-problemas-de-desarrollo-de-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-20140228.html)
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Post by: Dremn on February 28, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
I wonder what will happen to Alvarez now.

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EDIT: Man Flame your video is taking an eternity to finish processing.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 28, 2014, 11:46:11 AM
I wonder what will happen to Alvarez now.
Nothing. He's the director, founder, owner and lead writer of MercurySteam, at best, he gets humbled a little, at worst, he drags the whole studio down with him. Keep an eye on the studio making the LoS DLC, that will be the one who carries the series forward.
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Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 11:52:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCd7AzQzlu8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCd7AzQzlu8#ws)

HAHAHA!

HA..HA!

HA...HA...ha...

Haha...ha...ha...hahaha...ha...

Fuck
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Post by: Dremn on February 28, 2014, 11:55:09 AM
I don't even have the game and that disappointed me.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 28, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCd7AzQzlu8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCd7AzQzlu8#ws)

HAHAHA!

HA..HA!

HA...HA...ha...

Haha...ha...ha...hahaha...ha...

Fuck
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Fuck you too, Dave.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 12:07:30 PM
Aw. That makes me sad.
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Post by: Kingshango on February 28, 2014, 12:07:47 PM
The plot thickens.

http://www.vadejuegos.com/noticias/desvelamos-los-problemas-de-desarrollo-de-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-20140228.html (http://www.vadejuegos.com/noticias/desvelamos-los-problemas-de-desarrollo-de-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-20140228.html)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCd7AzQzlu8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCd7AzQzlu8#ws)

HAHAHA!

HA..HA!

HA...HA...ha...

Haha...ha...ha...hahaha...ha...

Fuck

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(Ill remove a gif if it's slowing you down).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 12:12:34 PM
no way. there has to be something... someone tweet cox with this shit. we need confirmation!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 12:14:54 PM
Flame, Flame. Its okay. Just let it go. We're at least getting Alucard DLC that will show us what he was doing when we weren't around him and wont offer us anymore closure on what happened at the end of the game.
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Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 12:15:57 PM
no way. there has to be something... someone tweet cox with this shit. we need confirmation!

You think I already didn't?

https://twitter.com/e105beta/status/439487031115513856 (https://twitter.com/e105beta/status/439487031115513856)

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I think that's the exact face I made when I watched this video.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 12:23:47 PM
i wonder... what if you beat satan AFTER getting  full completion ...?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 12:24:52 PM
i wonder... what if you beat satan AFTER getting  full completion ...?

Yes! Let's keep hoping! The more we hope, the more powerful our disappointment.

Then we can use that disappointment to fuel our transformation into vampire lords.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on February 28, 2014, 12:27:30 PM
Yes! Let's keep hoping! The more we hope, the more powerful our disappointment.

Then we can use that disappointment to fuel our transformation into vampire lords.
Finish NG+ :P

We're approaching SNES days levels of naiveness lol
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Post by: Dremn on February 28, 2014, 12:28:14 PM
I was expecting the reward to be a super campy old school Dracula or Simon Belmont skin.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 12:38:43 PM
Would have loved a Rondo of Blood Dracula skin, complete with gigantic cape.
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Post by: Ahasverus on February 28, 2014, 12:41:21 PM
hey guys do any of you have that old ooold interview where Araujo says Konami told him the old Castlevania music was feminine? I can't find it and the oldest reference on the internet that I've found is from here (a Kingshango's post).
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Post by: Neobelmont on February 28, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
So I just beat last night and well overall the game is good. I think we all agree that it's not perfect and it would have been if stupid things like stealth were left out.

For me the pros were the castle segments which looked so freaking good. At times I was saying this is why I got this, the boss battles are awesome( my favorite was the fight with Victor) their such a step up from los1 in every aspect, the combat is awesome except every time I sync blocked one enemy an other did an unblockable at the same time and even with somersault I still got hit. The voice acting is so incredible I loved I can't say anymore than every one brought their characters to life I just wished there was more back story to them.

Things that I hated were the stealth. It's not game breaking but it pulls me out and say come on I just want to get this done with. The present day setting when compared to the past is staggering, it's very boring compared to the past segments, the final boss battle was lackluster compared to los 1 it just was not fun and for all the complaints that the Argeus section( This section only took me like maybe 15 minutes to maybe half an hour his ai gets stupid if you use mist  I swear I'm not crazy but I got away from using mist) had it was not even half as bad as the riders of the freaking storm I hated the end of that fight so stupid. I tell you it's almost impossible to avoid the electricity. music was mixed heck sometimes I heard nothing, but when I did hear music it did fit in and felt really good, as for story the whole los saga had a simple story nothing ground breaking or even all that great except for the obvious. but one scene made me very ehh and that was
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really not even 20 minutes and that happens WTH.

Overall this (without that challenge mode it has) get's an 8-7 in my book because overall the game felt good but what kept it from a 9 are the stupid things that were in it stealth,lackluster story, two boss battles(with one having a dumb finishing segment), but then it makes up for the combo system, the great locals that don't have to do much with the present, and the voice acting, every single one of the voices are great for me with Richard Madden and Robert Caryle taking the cake.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on February 28, 2014, 01:54:02 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 02:06:09 PM
http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/entrevista-enric-alvarez-esto-que-ha-pasado-con-castlevania-es-totalmente-injusto (http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/entrevista-enric-alvarez-esto-que-ha-pasado-con-castlevania-es-totalmente-injusto)

Big ass justification interview from Enric Alvarez.

He justifies the open ended ending in it, so I think what we see is what we get. It makes me worry about closure DLC, but then again, he could just be talking a big game for the papers, while Konami was just looking to milk it for DLC.

I dunno. I'm so ugh about this whole thing at this point. I feel like some guy who didn't really like Castlevania got me all excited about Castlevania again then pissed all over my Castlevania.

Like what the hell, man?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on February 28, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
@e105beta

will you ever trust humans again?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 02:15:42 PM
@e105beta

will you ever trust humans again?

Yeah, after I get redeemed in the 3rd game.

NOT LIKE THIS GUY.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 28, 2014, 02:32:05 PM
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It's bugging me more than it should I was thinking ahh man this is so cool my hype was through the roof at this point then bam. and he only had  a fragment does it work that way? Why did we  need to collect  like what three shards?


http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/entrevista-enric-alvarez-esto-que-ha-pasado-con-castlevania-es-totalmente-injusto (http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/entrevista-enric-alvarez-esto-que-ha-pasado-con-castlevania-es-totalmente-injusto)

Big ass justification interview from Enric Alvarez.

He justifies the open ended ending in it, so I think what we see is what we get. It makes me worry about closure DLC, but then again, he could just be talking a big game for the papers, while Konami was just looking to milk it for DLC.

I dunno. I'm so ugh about this whole thing at this point. I feel like some guy who didn't really like Castlevania got me all excited about Castlevania again then pissed all over my Castlevania.

Like what the hell, man?

Wait what happened? yeah the ending made me sour slightly I thought this was supposed to be the end.

And what about not liking cv?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 02:43:56 PM
It's bugging me more than it should I was thinking ahh man this is so cool my hype was through the roof at this point then bam. and he only had  a fragment does it work that way? Why did we  need to collect  like what three shards?


Wait what happened? yeah the ending made me sour slightly I thought this was supposed to be the end.

And what about not liking cv?

It's an interview with Alvarez. It's a lot of "Reviewers don't know what they're talking about" and "This is the story we wanted to tell" mumbo jumbo.

The two things that stood out to me was that the interviewer commented on how the games were tale of redemption (which they totally are, or are at least supposed to be) and how the ending was super open ended, and all Alvarez could reply with was "Well, this is a story of unobtainable redemption, and we didn't want to make a conclusive ending because it had to end this way. Dracula is too complex of a character to have a real ending". It's total bullshit, and I hope he's just paying lip-service because Konami wanted ending DLC. I can only hope.

He also mentioned at the beginning that when they were approached by Konami, he and a couple other big players at MS really weren't familiar with Castlevania AT ALL. Konami had to bring in outside Castlevania experts.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Neobelmont on February 28, 2014, 02:57:42 PM
It's an interview with Alvarez. It's a lot of "Reviewers don't know what they're talking about" and "This is the story we wanted to tell" mumbo jumbo.

The two things that stood out to me was that the interviewer commented on how the games were tale of redemption (which they totally are, or are at least supposed to be) and how the ending was super open ended, and all Alvarez could reply with was "Well, this is a story of unobtainable redemption, and we didn't want to make a conclusive ending because it had to end this way. Dracula is too complex of a character to have a real ending". It's total bullshit, and I hope he's just paying lip-service because Konami wanted ending DLC. I can only hope.

He also mentioned at the beginning that when they were approached by Konami, he and a couple other big players at MS really weren't familiar with Castlevania AT ALL. Konami had to bring in outside Castlevania experts.

oh man. oh man. I thought they knew at least a little or something.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 28, 2014, 02:57:55 PM
I dunno. I'm so ugh about this whole thing at this point. I feel like some guy who didn't really like Castlevania got me all excited about Castlevania again then pissed all over my Castlevania.

Like what the hell, man?
This is exactly how I felt after finishing Lords of Shadow 1.

I'm done following reboots of old franchises, like, what's the point of even using the name of an old IP if you're just out to piss off everyone following the brand in the first place? Why not invest all that money and time into something new? If you're going to bring something back, do it right.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevelyan on February 28, 2014, 03:06:32 PM
I feel like some guy who didn't really like Castlevania got me all excited about Castlevania again then pissed all over my Castlevania.

Like what the hell, man?

This is what i'm feeling somewhat, it's conflicting.  LOS got me back into CV after a long time and I was excited, both to learn the conclusion to LOS's story (which I love) and for whatever came next for Castlevania.  But now, with the combination of Konami making them leave the story wide open, and LoS2 getting bad reviews makes it seem unlikely we'll ever get a definitive conclusion to this story. 

The way MS seemed to want to be done with LoS so (relatively) quickly had me worried for a while and it seems that wasn't unfounded.  That's the part that seemed really strange to me.

As soon as 2 was announced, Dave Cox had said "We don't want to be 'The Castlevania team", what we need is a developer who is happy to be that, I think. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 03:11:28 PM
I had a thought on the final two bosses...

You know what would have been an amazing finale?

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on February 28, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
From that article:
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In Mercury Steam you had had a previous path Castlevania obviously ... But was there any person, or you were a number, in the study that you were fans of Castlevania?

Alvarez: No, I particularly, no. Obviously any game that claims to know must be tested saga, like many other things, and this was my case. I knew the saga had played, but to paraphrase an English expression was not my cup of tea. At that time he was engaged in PC games, Quake, strategy games ... Another story, come on. The study had important people who themselves were absolute fans of the series and could take advantage of all this knowledge and all this sensitivity to pull ahead.
Konami... smdh

Why would you pick someone who had zero interest in the series to begin with? No wonder LoS1 was a GoW ripoff. Now I'm just getting upset reading all of this and suddenly seeing all these dots connect even more.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevelyan on February 28, 2014, 03:20:17 PM
From that article:Konami... smdh

Why would you pick someone who had zero interest in the series to begin with? No wonder LoS1 was a GoW ripoff. Now I'm just getting upset reading all of this and suddenly seeing all these dots connect even more.

From a financial point of view, I can sort of understand it.  If you're familiar with Star Trek, a similiar thing happened.  Director J.J Abrams said he was "never a Star Trek fan", and he made a really successful reboot film (and a second one that had a lot of problems, with less good reception, sound familiar?)

The first one worked exactly how Konami wanted it, and for all we know, 2 might have sold great aswell (but seems unlikely)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on February 28, 2014, 03:24:27 PM
By the way guys but the fact that art director left makes sense a lot. The enemy design and variety really is poor in this game. LOS1 and Mirror of Fate had way more interesting enemy variety. The ones here I think someone in this forum said is as medicore as Curse of Darkness
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
I had a thought on the final two bosses...

You know what would have been an amazing finale?

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To an extent that fixes it, but something still needs to be done about the
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Trite lines aside, no game should actually leave me asking that if it's supposed to be the conclusion. I'm tired of "artists" feeding me these bullshit lines about "interpreting my own ending" when really they just don't know how to write a fucking ending. I'm playing your story to experience a story. If I wanted to create my own, I'd go write fan-fiction.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on February 28, 2014, 03:36:30 PM
So guys I am at the point where
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Should I lower my expectations at this point or raise them now I am at final stretch.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
So guys I am at the point where
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Should I lower my expectations at this point or raise them now I am at final stretch.

The upcoming part is pretty lackluster, but fairly quick. The Second Acolyte is a pointless character, but his boss fight is cool.

Then, there's a pretty cool twist, followed by the best fight in the game, one of the coolest in the series, actually, and then you get into the home stretch that, while decent, ends in pure, narrative tragedy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on February 28, 2014, 03:41:02 PM
From that article:Konami... smdh

Why would you pick someone who had zero interest in the series to begin with? No wonder LoS1 was a GoW ripoff. Now I'm just getting upset reading all of this and suddenly seeing all these dots connect even more.
That brings back memories of Samuel Bayer's contempt for the A Nightmare on Elm Street series when he was brought in to do the reboot. Hell, I recall some people saying he didn't even like horror movies(he considered himself better than that), and was only taking the job because Michael Bay told him that it would be a good way to get your foot into the industry if you want to transition from music video director to movie director.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 03:43:37 PM
You go to people not too familiar for a fresh take. If not you're just doing the same thing over again. I think Lords of Shadow was great, I just wish they'd set up a better self contained continuity for it so we could keep getting installments on consoles alongside handheld sidescrollers based off of the traditional one.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
To an extent that fixes it, but something still needs to be done about the
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Trite lines aside, no game should actually leave me asking that if it's supposed to be the conclusion. I'm tired of "artists" feeding me these bullshit lines about "interpreting my own ending" when really they just don't know how to write a fucking ending. I'm playing your story to experience a story. If I wanted to create my own, I'd go write fan-fiction.
Yeah well i have no idea how I would write finality for that ending so I wont bother trying.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kamirine on February 28, 2014, 04:26:03 PM
From a financial point of view, I can sort of understand it.  If you're familiar with Star Trek, a similiar thing happened.  Director J.J Abrams said he was "never a Star Trek fan", and he made a really successful reboot film (and a second one that had a lot of problems, with less good reception, sound familiar?)

The first one worked exactly how Konami wanted it, and for all we know, 2 might have sold great aswell (but seems unlikely)

That's the thing with Mr. Abrams:  he may not have been a Trek fan, but he obviously studied up on the source material and had enough respect for the old franchise to do a reboot that not only pleased most older fans, but brought in new ones, and all while still adding his own flare.

This guy couldn't even get the basic concept of Castlevania (badass family fights Dracula after fighting his slew of monsters) right, save MoF. (And I borderline felt that was a bone throw to older fans too.). He didn't know about CV and it showed: a LOT of things make sense now. He's like that movie director that makes a movie based on something and except for a few things, gets it all wrong.  (Like the Resident Evil movies.). I stand by LoS would have been better as it's own title, away from the Castlevania universe: he could have had complete freedom to do as he pleased, without having to shoehorn elements of the old series to appease the fans. 

Dare I say, I wish MS had been given the chance to do just that.  Whatever this game was meant to be will haunt me now: if what he said was true, and he feels like trying to please fans instead of following whatever original idea he had like with LoS1, how would that game and story have come out?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
By that logic the Sorrow games didn't get the basic premise right either.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on February 28, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
Yeah but they played upon that dynamic by having Soma try and stop that endless cycle from repeating while simultaneously dealing with people who wanted the Belmont family vs Dracula to occur forever.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 04:50:26 PM
He's like that movie director that makes a movie based on something and except for a few things, gets it all wrong. 

I think it was Uzo who mentioned LoS feels like "The videogame of the movie of the videogame" wasnt it?
Title: Katy Perry
Post by: crisis on February 28, 2014, 04:53:13 PM
@Flame I SAID THAT NOT UZO

btw my d-arts megaman arrived today :D am very excite. it has excellent sculpt. will pose next to my other figures so i can make ultimate Smash bros. team post photos soon. would you be interested to see?
Title: Re: Katy Perry
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 05:00:41 PM
@Flame I SAID THAT NOT UZO

btw my d-arts megaman arrived today :D am very excite. it has excellent sculpt. will pose next to my other figures so i can make ultimate Smash bros. team post photos soon. would you be interested to see?
My apologies, I remembered that wrong then. Still, eerily accurate.

Also, I have Mega Man D-Ats. Magnificent sculpt indeed. looks just like he should. I also have, in addition to my own Mega Man, Bass, X, Zero Type 1, Black Zero type 2, Vile, and Ultimate Armor X.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on February 28, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
Wait for the Revelations DLC...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs21.postimg.org%2Fro9snau12%2FCLOS2_2014_02_28_00_05_51_539.jpg&hash=73a9072bd03f9a83b1101bbd311a14cb)
Title: crisis is a buttnugget
Post by: Dremn on February 28, 2014, 05:14:43 PM
oh so thats how that works
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
Yeah but they played upon that dynamic by having Soma try and stop that endless cycle from repeating while simultaneously dealing with people who wanted the Belmont family vs Dracula to occur forever.

My point being it's not just about Belmonts killing Dracula, because we've had two games without him as Dracula proper, one game where he exists as Dracula for all of two seconds before running away, and five games where he's killed by other people, six if you count using Sypha, Grant, or Alucard at the end of 3.

Oh and a fighting game where you get to play as Dracula.

There have been many different approaches to Castlevania, and Mercury Steams is no less deserving of the series title. I would even say the game is more about Dracula than the Belmonts because he's been in all of them somehow but a Belmont has not, and he's what each game centers around with the possible exception of Lament of Innocence which was a dual origin story for both Leon and Dracula.

Without Dracula there is no Castlevania. So a stand alone series centering on him is quite appropriate.



Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 05:34:53 PM
putting Armored and Dark Dracula together produces some kickass results.

http://s28.postimg.org/z68rj9563/1393555784041.jpg (http://s28.postimg.org/z68rj9563/1393555784041.jpg)

EDIT: we need automatic image resizing on this forum.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on February 28, 2014, 05:39:47 PM
I might as well share a few impressions. Keep in mind that I'm only a few hours into the game.

- I'm surprised to see that LoS2 is a genuinely nonlinear game. And while this is nowhere near Metroidvania depth, I'm actually managing to somewhat enjoy backtracking, which is a huge improvement over the dull chapter replays of LoS1 and the abysmal forced backtracking of MoF.

- There's a shop, which should normally be a very welcome addition. Though I haven't used it much for the moment.

- The combat system has been given a few small but definite improvements. Unblockable attacks are no longer signaled by a barely visible white light -- the new cue is painfully obvious, but that's still a good thing. And there's an air dodge. Finally.
There's also an interesting new block-breaking mechanic, which is pretty solid for the time being. It adds a little more combat depth, allows for some new enemy design, and gives the chaos claws an additional raison d'etre beyond simply dealing more damage. The mastery system looks pretty neat, but hasn't yet amounted to anything. I'll need a few more hours to fill the gauge.
Most of LoS's combat moves return in LoS2, which is unsurprising but still welcome. It's strange but just as satisfying to be controlling Dracula the way I'd controlled Gabriel.

- There's a clear world dichotomy here. Dracula's Castle can be beautiful, sometimes breathtaking, and is well-crafted for the most part. It also features the brunt of the game's interesting combat and enemy design. Reality is dull, ugly, generic, has stealth, and is plagued with an absolutely ridiculous plot development. It's hard not to have a preference.

- Platforming, like in LoS1, still relies on dull, heavily scripted wall shimmying. This may change later on in the game, but for the moment a few jumps and a few swinging chandeliers aren't exactly conducive to "real platforming". On a positive note, Dracula's climbing speed is thankfully much quicker than Gabriel's, which does tend to shorten the shimmying tedium. And LoS1's mortifying balancing segments are finally gone.

- Stealth is horrible. LoS2 doesn't even bother to give you the illusion of freedom as everything is scripted and explicited to a T, and any attempt you make at leaving the given path is invariably and severely punished. The environments you cross are ugly and uninteresting, failure makes the entire business abominably repetitive, and the whole concept in itself is jarring in context.
- The plot is a simple carrot-and-stick narrative, only armed with an absurd plot point that you'd be hard-pressed not to laugh at. As far as I'm concerned, only the voice acting is competent.
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- The game holds your hand for far too long. I'm getting tired of the all-too-obvious camera pans, the interminable prompts, the constant hints provided by Zobek, and those bats. I simply can't get rid of those bats, even when I disable hinting. It's almost insulting.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 06:04:35 PM
I dont mind the bats, they are far less intrusive than glowing yellow ledges.

And sometimes they are needed, since not everything climbable is obviously climbable.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kamirine on February 28, 2014, 06:17:50 PM
My point being it's not just about Belmonts killing Dracula, because we've had two games without him as Dracula proper, one game where he exists as Dracula for all of two seconds before running away, and five games where he's killed by other people, six if you count using Sypha, Grant, or Alucard at the end of 3.

Oh and a fighting game where you get to play as Dracula.

There have been many different approaches to Castlevania, and Mercury Steams is no less deserving of the series title. I would even say the game is more about Dracula than the Belmonts because he's been in all of them somehow but a Belmont has not, and he's what each game centers around with the possible exception of Lament of Innocence which was a dual origin story for both Leon and Dracula.

Without Dracula there is no Castlevania. So a stand alone series centering on him is quite appropriate.

Let me clarify: for a reboot, which LoS is suppose to be, it got Castlevania wrong.  Yes, there were games eventually that stared non-Belmonts, but the Belmont family were still accounted for/explained away and it was still in the realm of a built upon story.

You play as Dracula through Soma  :rollseyes:, but to be fair, I thought Dracula being reincarnated as a Japanese teenage boy was rather silly to say the least. Another rant for another day and thread.

The problem I have with LoS is as a reboot and after all the--let's be frank--lying Cox did before the first game was released, it was expected to be a reboot of the game back at it's roots.  And those roots are a badass with a whip from a kickass family fighting Dracula. 

Not Dracula as a sympathetic  anti-villain/borderline hero who fights Satan.  I actually like the story and characters enough (save Satan, Zobak was the better villain in my eyes) that it's actually why I wish it wasn't Castlevania related: I would have loved to see where it would have gone without having to shoehorn Caatlevania mythos in there.

And with the way LoS's story is, you really couldn't apply the old story or mythos to it (for starters, Dracula is a Belmont and anti-hero...), so it's more a complete alternate universe than a stand alone backstory for CV's Dracula as we knew him. Too much was changed.

This may be an agree to disagree moment, admittedly. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 07:10:29 PM
I agree that you don't like the series to a point that blinds you to the fact that Konami said it was Castlevania, so it is. Whether you, I, or anyone else like the game or not. We're all at their mercy as to where they decide to take the series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kamirine on February 28, 2014, 07:26:15 PM
I agree that you don't like the series to a point that blinds you to the fact that Konami said it was Castlevania, so it is. Whether you, I, or anyone else like the game or not. We're all at their mercy as to where they decide to take the series.

I'm not blind to anything, but I don't have to LIKE LoS as a Castlevania game or agree with it as being one.  It's my opinion and I'm entitled to have it just as you are with it fitting into the series without being generalized for it.

Though I do agree that it's up to Konami now for what's to come.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on February 28, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
I agree that you don't like the series to a point that blinds you to the fact that Konami said it was Castlevania, so it is. Whether you, I, or anyone else like the game or not. We're all at their mercy as to where they decide to take the series.

So is Legends still a Castlevania game even if it was removed from canon by IGA? Because it has the Konami emblem on it so it's liking they're saying it is.  And Kid Dracula?  I mean it does have Galamoth or whatever in it.  And those slot machine game.  Where the hell do they count in the series?!

Jokes aside, Lords was worth it just for that
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. Doubt we'll stay with Lords but if not, I want new shit, not going back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 07:44:18 PM
Of course it's still a Castlevania game, it's just a non-canon Castlevania game. Like Judgement, 64, Legacy of Darkness, and the Lords of Shadow series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kamirine on February 28, 2014, 07:54:19 PM
Of course it's still a Castlevania game, it's just a non-canon Castlevania game. Like Judgement, 64, Legacy of Darkness, and the Lords of Shadow series.

I wouldn't say Lords is non canon per-say, since it's a reboot.  Maybe alternate universe since it features some of the same people but a different setting and retelling of their story. 

@MaddiChan
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on February 28, 2014, 07:54:51 PM
Well, if we take the IGA timeline, then yes, those games are not canon...

...But still Castlevanias Games
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 28, 2014, 08:05:10 PM
And those slot machine game.  Where the hell do they count in the series?!

Hehehe. Pachislot 3 is a remake of CV3 in slot machine form, minus Grant, again.

Well, if we take the IGA timeline, then yes, those games are not canon...

...But still Castlevanias Games

Yup. Whether people like them or not.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
So, any Japanese reviews or thoughts come out yet? I'm curious as to how Castlevania's Hometown feels about the last Lords game.

For that matter, what did they think of the first? Pixiv has itself some Japanese Gabriel fanart, but I cant read moon, so browsing famitsu tells me nothing
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on February 28, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
I wouldn't say Lords is non canon per-say, since it's a reboot.  Maybe alternate universe since it features some of the same people but a different setting and retelling of their story. 

@MaddiChan
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I would say its non-canon since it was never meant to be a complete reboot of the franchise but be a stand alone series.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 28, 2014, 09:53:55 PM
So, any Japanese reviews or thoughts come out yet? I'm curious as to how Castlevania's Hometown feels about the last Lords game.

For that matter, what did they think of the first? Pixiv has itself some Japanese Gabriel fanart, but I cant read moon, so browsing famitsu tells me nothing

LoS2 is not yet released in Japan. The official Konami site says TBA 2014.
I even browsed famitsu and the last thing they posted regarding LoS2 was the Tokyo Game show.
I also checked out the interest level and only 11 people displayed interest on the PS3 version, 0 interest on the Xbox360.

The fanart you see in pixiv is based on screenshots/trailers/etc. and not all who post in pixiv are Japanese.
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on February 28, 2014, 10:00:35 PM
Hehehe. Pachislot 3 is a remake of CV3 in slot machine form, minus Grant, again.

Why does Konami hate Grant.  Poor pirate ninja mummy guy.  I still love you Grant. *holds lighter*

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Yup. Whether people like them or not.

And ironically, most people don't. Save Kid Dracula.  You have no soul if you hate that game. And the more people that hate Lords, that's just more sexy Gabe for me.

I wouldn't say Lords is non canon per-say, since it's a reboot.  Maybe alternate universe since it features some of the same people but a different setting and retelling of their story.

Perfect!  So eventually both universes can cross paths and both Dracs can sit around shooting the shit over a glass of blood! Or back to back Alucards fighting hoards of monsters!  Genius! Fucking genius!

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So, any Japanese reviews or thoughts come out yet? I'm curious as to how Castlevania's Hometown feels about the last Lords game.

For that matter, what did they think of the first? Pixiv has itself some Japanese Gabriel fanart, but I cant read moon, so browsing famitsu tells me nothing

I've been wondering that too.  Is Lords popular over there?

I would say its non-canon since it was never meant to be a complete reboot of the franchise but be a stand alone series.

No, shut up!  I want my sexy Dracula crossover damn it!  Back to back Alucards! Feel the dream!  8)
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 28, 2014, 10:10:06 PM
Why does Konami hate Grant.  Poor pirate ninja mummy guy.  I still love you Grant. *holds lighter*

I have no idea why they hate him so. Such a shame that the Danesti clan is ignored even though in real life they are the rivals of the Draculesti clan.

Perfect!  So eventually both universes can cross paths and both Dracs can sit around shooting the shit over a glass of blood! Or back to back Alucards fighting hoards of monsters!  Genius! Fucking genius!

I want my sexy Dracula crossover damn it!  Back to back Alucards! Feel the dream!  8)

Ah the dream is felt (even though I personally prefer the beauty of SotN's Alucard more then LoS's), but sadly I doubt it would happen except of course in Fanfiction! Are you a writer?  ;) Make it happen. hehehe.
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Post by: Kamirine on February 28, 2014, 10:17:01 PM
I would say its non-canon since it was never meant to be a complete reboot of the franchise but be a stand alone series.

Hm, good point.  Nevermind, non-canon it is.

@Maddi: as said, there is always fan fiction.
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on February 28, 2014, 10:21:27 PM
I have no idea why they hate him so. Such a shame that the Danesti clan is ignored even though in real life they are the rivals of the Draculesti clan.

Because Grant isn't pretty and mysterious like Alucard or have boobs that shoot magic.  And before anyone corrects me: yes,  I know Sypha's boobs don't shoot magic but admit it:  that's all you saw after seeing her judgement design. Magical boobs.

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Ah the dream is felt (even though I personally prefer the beauty of SotN's Alucard more then LoS's), but sadly I doubt it would happen except of course in Fanfiction! Are you a writer?  ;) Make it happen. hehehe.

And just like that, you're my favorite!  Someone that shares the dream! We can make a club and start a petition!  YEAH!  And I don't write fan fiction so much as random smut.  It just scares people, trust me.
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Post by: Flame on February 28, 2014, 10:42:22 PM


Perfect!  So eventually both universes can cross paths and both Dracs can sit around shooting the shit over a glass of blood! Or back to back Alucards fighting hoards of monsters!  Genius! Fucking genius!
Something tells me Gabriel Dracula wouldn't get along with Mathias Dracula...
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No, shut up!  I want my sexy Dracula crossover damn it!  Back to back Alucards! Feel the dream!  8)
I'm pretty sure I had a japanese pic somewhere of both Alucards with swapped clothes...
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 28, 2014, 10:55:36 PM
Something tells me Gabriel Dracula wouldn't get along with Mathias Dracula...

Battle of the egos.

I'm pretty sure I had a japanese pic somewhere of both Alucards with swapped clothes...

Yeah. I think I saw that too somewhere in pixiv.
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Post by: Trevorcard on February 28, 2014, 11:02:53 PM
I just finished the game. Wut
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So you guys I don't know ending wasn't that bad for me maybe your warnings about it made my expectation so low.
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Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 11:06:13 PM
- The game holds your hand for far too long. I'm getting tired of the all-too-obvious camera pans, the interminable prompts, the constant hints provided by Zobek, and those bats. I simply can't get rid of those bats, even when I disable hinting. It's almost insulting.

While the Zobek hints go away, I was almost sad when they did.

"Maybe you can cool. her. down. somehow."

"She's too good for you. Find a way to slow her down."

Screw you too, Zobek.

I just finished the game. Wut
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So you guys I don't know ending wasn't that bad for me maybe your warnings about it made my expectation so low.

I actually watched the ending before fighting Zobek. Man, it pissed me off as I'm sure everyone here knows.

However, after going through the end game motions, the ending...didn't bother me as much? I mean, it still sucks, but I guess I was so high off of the boss fights that I just didn't care. It was nowhere near the emotional ending that the series deserves, but it was a typical action game ending, I guess.

You know, since you mention it, the whole final boss fight to the credits roll kind of felt like something right out of DMC.
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Post by: Trevorcard on February 28, 2014, 11:08:26 PM
By the way I want to say that boss battles are pretty amazing in this game. For all of mercury stream fault they know how to do some great boss battles.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on February 28, 2014, 11:17:00 PM
Something tells me Gabriel Dracula wouldn't get along with Mathias Dracula... ..

Why not?

From what i can gather the 2 have some things in common, both are very poweful vampires, both despise god for taking away their beloved, and both have a affinity for the color red/blood. ;D

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Post by: Trevorcard on February 28, 2014, 11:22:21 PM
I do want to say something else. I get it now. Dave Cox is a fucking liar, this was a guy in interviews who said there is going to optional cutscenes, optional enemies blah blah blah. What a fucking asshole. You know with all the development problems this game had, I am pretty amazed it turned out to be a good game. Not a great game which should been but a good game.
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Post by: Foffy on February 28, 2014, 11:25:40 PM
I do want to say something else. I get it now. Dave Cox is a fucking liar, this was a guy in interviews who said there is going to optional cutscenes, optional enemies blah blah blah. What a fucking asshole. You know with all the development problems this game had, I am pretty amazed it turned out to be a good game. Not a great game which should been but a good game.

So, Dave Cox being Dave Cox...?

You should know, man. He's pulled this before.
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Post by: Trevorcard on February 28, 2014, 11:30:23 PM
Dude I know he did but you know at some point it gets too far. There is point where some guy who this guy (Trevor) ain't Alucard (Mirror of Fate) thats fine but when he lies about the content in the game. Thats bullshit. Seriously I love Lords of Shadow series and I love LOS 1 and universe but man Lords of Shadow 2 could been great. This is a 7-8 game when gameplay mechanics are way better than Lords of Shadow 1 but man you don't feel excitement or hype or even heart that 1 had. Exploration is cool but seriously I wouldn't mind if it was linear if they could made the game feel tighter. Fewer Wow moments and grandeur than Lords of Shadow 1.
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Post by: uzo on February 28, 2014, 11:32:02 PM
I feel like some guy who didn't really like Castlevania got me all excited about Castlevania again then pissed all over my Castlevania.

He's been doing it from the very beginning. It's just starting to sink in for some people a little later than others.


He also mentioned at the beginning that when they were approached by Konami, he and a couple other big players at MS really weren't familiar with Castlevania AT ALL. Konami had to bring in outside Castlevania experts.

Is this really a surprise? It was pretty obvious from the very first game. I still can't figure out if the game was even a Castlevania game at the beginning. I really am leaning toward "No".


I think it was Uzo who mentioned LoS feels like "The videogame of the movie of the videogame" wasnt it?

I believe I've mentioned it, possibly not in the same words. I'm not the only one who mentioned it though, as you know now.
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Post by: Trevorcard on February 28, 2014, 11:41:35 PM
So I just remembered few things fucked up in the plot.
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Post by: Maedhros on February 28, 2014, 11:42:17 PM
Victor... what a FUCKING JOKE. I'm sure they didn't had ANY IDEA of what to do with him. So let's kill him in the first 10 minutes.
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Post by: Trevorcard on February 28, 2014, 11:45:03 PM
It would been so bad if
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Post by: Maedhros on February 28, 2014, 11:48:14 PM
I killed him so fast that it didn't make it any good at all. Void Sword is OP.

Cool that he has all Gabriel's movements and a few extras. Maybe he'll be playable on DLC. As he stands now, he's a fucking useless "badass" character.
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Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 11:50:54 PM
I do want to say something else. I get it now. Dave Cox is a fucking liar, this was a guy in interviews who said there is going to optional cutscenes, optional enemies blah blah blah. What a fucking asshole. You know with all the development problems this game had, I am pretty amazed it turned out to be a good game. Not a great game which should been but a good game.

Seriously, that one interview he did where he was talking about optional bosses had me pissing my pants with joy.

In his mind, the Paladin in the Kleidos challenge is probably an "optional boss"
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Post by: Foffy on February 28, 2014, 11:51:56 PM
I killed him so fast that it didn't make it any good at all. Void Sword is OP.

Cool that he has all Gabriel's movements and a few extras. Maybe he'll be playable on DLC. As he stands now, he's a fucking useless "badass" character.

If the claims about IGA not wanting them to use the name Julius, maybe he knew that they were killing off this fucker as soon as they introduced him.
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Post by: e105beta on February 28, 2014, 11:56:38 PM
He's been doing it from the very beginning. It's just starting to sink in for some people a little later than others.

Speak for yourself. I very much enjoyed LoS and MoF, and I still do. LoS2 hasn't changed that.

Is this really a surprise? It was pretty obvious from the very first game. I still can't figure out if the game was even a Castlevania game at the beginning. I really am leaning toward "No".

I saw the Castlevania in LoS, I saw it even more in MoF, and for all its modern day flaws, the castle parts in LoS2 scream Castlevania. Did I think Alvarez himself was a big time Castlevania fan? Well, I don't think I ever really thought about it before now. I was too busy focusing on Cox claiming his undying love for the series, which I don't actually doubt.
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Post by: Foffy on February 28, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
I saw the Castlevania in LoS, I saw it even more in MoF, and for all its modern day flaws, the castle parts in LoS2 scream Castlevania. Did I think Alvarez himself was a big time Castlevania fan? Well, I don't think I ever really thought about it before now. I was too busy focusing on Cox claiming his undying love for the series, which I don't actually doubt.

Don't you think it's striking that the most Castlevania-ish title in the Lords of Shadow series was one that Mercurysteam had to make because the real sequel to Lords of Shadow wasn't ready? I think that's a bit telling.
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 01, 2014, 12:00:03 AM
Seriously, that one interview he did where he was talking about optional bosses had me pissing my pants with joy.

In his mind, the Paladin in the Kleidos challenge is probably an "optional boss"
You mean in his deranged mind :P. That still doesn't explain optional story bits though. Also he totally lied to your face on twitter about something after the ending. Isn't a good look for him.

Seriously my problem with Lords of Shadow 2 is it has all ingredients to be great and had the development to be great and didn't come together. Seriously although I don't have major problems with ending like most of you do. The ending is still pretty bland.
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Post by: Little Dracula on March 01, 2014, 12:15:13 AM
I can't believe all the complains about the Argeus part, I don't consider myself a great player and I figured it in less than 5 minutes.

So far I'm loving the game, the toymaker and Carmilla stuff (level design and story) was fantastic. In the other hand, everytime I have to back to the real world I want to kill myself, such a crap design.
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 01, 2014, 12:18:26 AM
The thing that annoyed me about Carmilla and Toymaker is there roles were really small just served as boss battles. They were good boss battles but should have larger role
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Post by: e105beta on March 01, 2014, 12:39:27 AM
Don't you think it's striking that the most Castlevania-ish title in the Lords of Shadow series was one that Mercurysteam had to make because the real sequel to Lords of Shadow wasn't ready? I think that's a bit telling.

I guess? I'm not quite sure I'm making the connection.

You mean in his deranged mind :P. That still doesn't explain optional story bits though. Also he totally lied to your face on twitter about something after the ending. Isn't a good look for him.

Seriously my problem with Lords of Shadow 2 is it has all ingredients to be great and had the development to be great and didn't come together. Seriously although I don't have major problems with ending like most of you do. The ending is still pretty bland.

Yeah, can't say I'm very appreciative of that. He could have just said "No".

The thing that annoyed me about Carmilla and Toymaker is there roles were really small just served as boss battles. They were good boss battles but should have larger role

I feel like the less characters in a MercurySteam game, the better the story.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 01, 2014, 01:36:27 AM
You know, I'm honestly relieved the people who presented such a, uh, different vision of the series weren't Castlevania fans. I guess the only one who was a fan was Lore Master Cox.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 01, 2014, 02:58:30 AM
Great game. Disappointing plot.
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on March 01, 2014, 06:21:02 AM
Don't you think it's striking that the most Castlevania-ish title in the Lords of Shadow series was one that Mercurysteam had to make because the real sequel to Lords of Shadow wasn't ready? I think that's a bit telling.

Heck, wasn't there a previous post in this very thread previously where the Spainish director dude was complaining about having to change shit to suit fans and regretting it?  LoS 2 probably would have been more 'in name only' than Lords1 would have been if he'd gotten his way. 

But see, I look at LoS as a Frankenstein  Monster that can be interpreted in two ways that technically aren't wrong.  You can argue it isn't 'Castlevania' and be right, but you can defend it's  'Castlevania' and still be right. There is enough wrong with it where it's so vastly different from the original where and does come off more like "the movie of the game, the game".  But if you're deranged like I can get, I see it like this:

Lord1 = movie-esque retelling of Lament except Zozo is Mathias, Satan is Death and Gabe is. Leon...who happens to turn into Dracula. 
Mirror = a more 'castlevania' feeling mash of Castlevania 1 and 3, with metroidvania like gameplay.
Lord2 = the 1999 game where Soma (or Dracula as a good guy, just go with the basic thought on this one) is the good guy.  And looks hotter.  And shows sexy chest.

See?  Tilt your head and believe--it works.  And if you can't, just take Castlevania out of the title and it's not hard to see in the veins of a game like Legacy of Kain as it's own vampire tale.  Both sides win!  8)
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Post by: Maedhros on March 01, 2014, 06:37:17 AM
Even though I finished Agreus fast, I can say for sure that it's the worst design for a stealth section so far on the game.
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Post by: Viskod on March 01, 2014, 06:56:46 AM
I think you are all greatly over estimating the influence Cox has on the game design of this series. He intermediates between Konami and Mercury Steam and does some PR. Mercury Steam tells him what they are planning on doing and that's all he has to go by. If he relates something to the public that later gets changed or cut, that is not his fault and there's nothing he can do about it.

He's also probably a step removed from the world of petty semantics and hair splitting a lot of you seem to live in. The optional bosses in the Kleidos Challenges, are optional bosses and you cannot fault the man for not knowing that doesn't fit your narrow opinion of what an optional boss is.

He may very we'll believe that getting a trophy or achievement  for hitting 110% counts as a reward because he doesn't understand that players might not think that's good enough.

We all apparently have one egomaniac to direct our collective ire at for how disappointing the story in Lords of Shadow 2 ended up, and it's not David Cox.
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Post by: e105beta on March 01, 2014, 07:41:52 AM
I think you are all greatly over estimating the influence Cox has on the game design of this series. He intermediates between Konami and Mercury Steam and does some PR. Mercury Steam tells him what they are planning on doing and that's all he has to go by. If he relates something to the public that later gets changed or cut, that is not his fault and there's nothing he can do about it.

He's also probably a step removed from the world of petty semantics and hair splitting a lot of you seem to live in. The optional bosses in the Kleidos Challenges, are optional bosses and you cannot fault the man for not knowing that doesn't fit your narrow opinion of what an optional boss is.

He may very we'll believe that getting a trophy or achievement  for hitting 110% counts as a reward because he doesn't understand that players might not think that's good enough.

We all apparently have one egomaniac to direct our collective ire at for how disappointing the story in Lords of Shadow 2 ended up, and it's not David Cox.

I agree with that last point, I do, but if Cox is as big a Castlevania fan as he claims, and he claims he's a pretty big one, he knows EXACTLY what "optional bosses" implies.
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Post by: crisis on March 01, 2014, 08:38:00 AM
the irony is that if lords of shadow had indeed dropped the castlevania title & been its own series, we'd prolly be arguing how it could still be an "honorary castlevania" due to its similarities
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Post by: Kamirine on March 01, 2014, 09:16:02 AM
the irony is that if lords of shadow had indeed dropped the castlevania title & been its own series, we'd prolly be arguing how it could still be an "honorary castlevania" due to its similarities

Ironically, this.  I am actually replaying LoS now to see maybe if I 'appreciate' it better.  Or rather see it better as a CV title because I already like the story. 

I think you are all greatly over estimating the influence Cox has on the game design of this series. He intermediates between Konami and Mercury Steam and does some PR. Mercury Steam tells him what they are planning on doing and that's all he has to go by. If he relates something to the public that later gets changed or cut, that is not his fault and there's nothing he can do about it.

He's also probably a step removed from the world of petty semantics and hair splitting a lot of you seem to live in. The optional bosses in the Kleidos Challenges, are optional bosses and you cannot fault the man for not knowing that doesn't fit your narrow opinion of what an optional boss is.

He may very we'll believe that getting a trophy or achievement  for hitting 110% counts as a reward because he doesn't understand that players might not think that's good enough.

We all apparently have one egomaniac to direct our collective ire at for how disappointing the story in Lords of Shadow 2 ended up, and it's not David Cox.

This could very well be true and if so, I feel sorry for Cox.  He's getting a lot of headache he doesn't deserve when he does mean well.  It's believable, considering if the employee's complaints are in fact true, it goes to show that incredible lack of communication he complained about.

Being the face of this series has to suck for Cox.
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Post by: Flame on March 01, 2014, 10:12:32 AM
Well, the guy on gamefaqs beat the game at 110%, still no change.

So I guess the reward was the achievement. Amazing reward huh?
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on March 01, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Being the face of this series has to suck for Cox.

Oh, I dunno.  Maybe if he does it just right, he'll find the release he was loooking for.
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Post by: Flame on March 01, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
so i thought up how the ending could have been better.

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Post by: Dremn on March 01, 2014, 10:57:59 AM
so i thought up how the ending could have been better.

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I had a pretty similar ending in mind, Victor really should have been the one to end Gabriel's immortality.
Oh, I dunno.  Maybe if he does it just right, he'll find the release he was loooking for.
Pfffft
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on March 01, 2014, 11:42:52 AM
What? Might be all Cox needs: a good release to relieve stress this game provides. I mean, I would help Gabe find the release he needs.  I'd show him men can be more than a miserable pile of secrets.  So
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Post by: e105beta on March 01, 2014, 12:00:45 PM
so i thought up how the ending could have been better.

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Thanks for that. It's my new head-canon.
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Post by: JayDominus on March 01, 2014, 12:58:07 PM
In my head-canon being stabbed with VK only brings Satan back to hell, Drac follows him there, there's a grand three phase epic battle of Prince of Darkness vs The Lightbringer and after the battle Dracula uses his raw power of both Lord of Shadow and God's Chosen One to transform into his dragon form and end Lucifer for good. And then he has a choice - to either join Marie in Heaven or stay in Hell as the new management.
If someone from MercurySteam is reading you have my blessing to steal this idea for a post-ending DLC.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 01, 2014, 01:00:41 PM
I had so many ideas for great endings I was very disappointed with the actual one.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 01, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
I have no idea why they hate him so. Such a shame that the Danesti clan is ignored even though in real life they are the rivals of the Draculesti clan.
Again, that's one reason I want a "family" focused CV series. They can do sooo much with all the different clans(especially in the CV unverse where it's not just the Draculesti and Danesti, but the Belmonts, Belnades, Bernhards and such), the rivalries, the alliances, and even betrayals. This concept is one they really don't go into, in EITHER canons(original and LoS).

the irony is that if lords of shadow had indeed dropped the castlevania title & been its own series, we'd prolly be arguing how it could still be an "honorary castlevania" due to its similarities
I actually wouldn't have mind if LoS was it's own thing. And as own thing, IF it didn'g get greenlit as a CV, no doubt they'd tread down a different path regarding themes. Nothing wrong with Konami sprouting out a new IP(they can use more series other than MGS and Castlevania, since they are reluctant to do anything with the bulk of their OTHER franchises). Hell, the "dark fairy tale" thing, it could've been the North-Western Europe equivalent of CV(the Eastern Europe action adventure). Instead of focusing on Dracula, horror, focus on Norse and Celtic lore of the British Isles and Scandanavia. The Seelie and Unseelie Court, the Wild Hunt, the Thin Places, pagan cults, druids, vikings and the good and evil supernatural forces of those lands. THAT could've been fuckin COOL! And all those British actors and actresses would've felt far more naturally connected to THAT sort of fantasy world, IMO. Kinda would've liked to see a similar thing with Getsu Fūma Den(rebooting, or bringing it back as a Japanese styled CV Action/Adventure game). By that, you'd have Konami with control over a trinity of lore:

Castlevania(Eastern Europe, horror/dark fantasy based)
Lords of Shadow(North/Western Europe, dark fantasy based)
Gesu Fuma Den(Japanese, dark fatnasy based)

Would also open each title up for loose connections to each other(they could all exist within the same world, and are spread far enough apart to allow each to happen in their own respected region).

Oh well, it doesn't mean there still can't be another game like the one I proposed.
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Post by: The Puritan on March 01, 2014, 02:34:59 PM
Too many pages for me to go and check, so: did anyone else chuckle when they realized Zobek's Bodyguard had
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Post by: KaZudra on March 01, 2014, 03:05:58 PM
Alucard was almost a waste to put in this game, Victor was a complete waste...
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This game obviously had some development hell, I think there was alot of Crunching to finish the game, as you see there was alot of ideas in the game and some sections being all-out half assed, Part where they give you too many hints, parts where they give you no hints...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 01, 2014, 06:42:09 PM
This story is completely bullshit! BWAHAHAHA, what a fucking joke! They fucking killed Alucard character in this.

God, I need to finish this already... just these chalenges and I can finish this shit already and probably never touch EVER AGAIN!
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Post by: Dremn on March 01, 2014, 06:46:48 PM
What? Might be all Cox needs: a good release to relieve stress this game provides. I mean, I would help Gabe find the release he needs.  I'd show him men can be more than a miserable pile of secrets.  So
Good lord woman
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Post by: meanguyjones on March 01, 2014, 08:12:57 PM
got a good laugh out of how people are overly excited at this game being mediocre


no wonder IGA bailed
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Post by: Darkson on March 01, 2014, 09:07:13 PM
Honestly, even if he could come back, I doubt he wants to. The man spent a decade on the series. Even if you love something, it'll become tiresome after a while. That's why most authors go to different projects, to spice things up.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 01, 2014, 09:22:41 PM
Finished. 100%.

I'm never going back. The ending was even worse than it was when I readed it, holy shit. It's obvious that it was completely changed on the last minute.

Overall, I can't give more than 6.5/10 for this game. It was worse than the first LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Darkson on March 01, 2014, 09:32:02 PM
Well, at least you gave it a chance. I, personally, think the game is a solid 9.

Only cons I can think of are:

-victor is underused, but the presence of the mirror shard does explain that he could be being controlled by fate itself
-stealth sections, while simple puzzles in a more active form, could've been more forgiving.
-Golgoth guards should've became late game enemies
-ending is lackluster, but it does convey hope for the future in Gabriel, who spent the beginning wanting to die.
-modern sections are a bit bland

But enemy variety, combat, story (pretty good. Not great, but pretty good), atmosphere, music, and the castle environments are just spectacular. Lovely game, though it seems that its a "love it or hate it" sleeper hit situation.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 01, 2014, 09:51:25 PM
If the modern areas were as interesting as the Castle areas, i would really consider this game 9/10 on that alone. The Castle areas are FANTASTIC, and their enemies are pretty cool.

The city areas, aside from major setpieces like the train, are boring, and fighting the same demons or mechs/riot police gets old fast. Their designs are not memorable at ALL. And neither are the majority of the city areas.

So that alone makes half the game boring and uninteresting past the initial playthrough. The city was cool enough the first time I was going through it discovering new areas and shit, but once you are done with the game, and you start item hunting, while the streets are full of Dark Monks, Horned Demons and Satan soldiers, or Riot mechs, it quickly becomes a chore. The castle also had much more creative "platforming". Sure it was the same shimmy and balance beam shit as the rest of the game, but you know what? at least it looked cool, and in places like City of the Damned, was creative, like the giant chains.

In the City, it's all scaling concrete walls or elevator shafts.

I'll probably occasionally go back to this game for the castle areas alone. Even then though, there's missed opportunity. Why Can't you visit the throne room at will? WHY? I mean even in the story event, you dont even visit it, you visit the book behind it.

That bugs me the most, that you cant visit the throne room.

But aside from that, the castle is all i'll revisit.

And i wish you could refight bosses through some bonus options. Would give the game some more replay value. I know, metroidvanias dont let you. But they at least eventually incorporated a boss rush mode!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: VladCT on March 01, 2014, 09:58:29 PM
So apparently the game has an unhandled error bug, at least in the PS3 version:
「Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2」 Bug #04 ~ "Unhandled Error" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biLG4e7oGTg#ws)
Dunno how the player triggered it, but it's there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Darkson on March 01, 2014, 09:59:38 PM
With dlc, we are likely to see a boss rush mode. Besides the alucard dlc, I suspect we may see something involving those doors with the hands jutting out of them.

As for the error: odd.
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Post by: Flame on March 01, 2014, 10:11:45 PM
You know, i had a thought as to one of the reasons the city was boring.

The post apocalyptic city in flames thing.

Darksiders did it well. Darksiders also had 100 years between doomsday and the start of the story mode, in between the environment was altered or reclaimed and stuff.

But While in the screenshots I was expecting to actually be Dracula in 20XX, modern city, hopping across rooftops in a gothic city, with a castle right next to an LCD screen, what I got, was ruins. The Asylum looked cool, the rooftop fight with the Riot Police was cool, and the area AROUND Bioquimek looked cool. But when everything is in flames, it all becomes generic apocalyse imagery.

Does anyone else know what I mean? The modern city, for all it's corporations and sewers, could still have been interesting if it was still alive and bustling with people going about their daily lives, unaware that the prince of darkness was running across the building rooftops chasing a demon.

Also enemy variety, i mentioned this before about the catsle, but it had enemy variety, and different areas had their unique enemies. harpies were ONLY outside the Gorgon's lair, Jailers and their minions were ONLY in City of the Damned, and brotherhood knights were only in the Bernhard Wing and exterior areas.

The demons in the city though are the same ones everywhere. They could have done much more. Like, include a graveyard with zombies. Or specific demon types for specific areas.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 01, 2014, 10:15:25 PM
Well, at least you gave it a chance. I, personally, think the game is a solid 9.

Only cons I can think of are:

-victor is underused, but the presence of the mirror shard does explain that he could be being controlled by fate itself
-stealth sections, while simple puzzles in a more active form, could've been more forgiving.
-Golgoth guards should've became late game enemies
-ending is lackluster, but it does convey hope for the future in Gabriel, who spent the beginning wanting to die.
-modern sections are a bit bland

But enemy variety, combat, story (pretty good. Not great, but pretty good), atmosphere, music, and the castle environments are just spectacular. Lovely game, though it seems that its a "love it or hate it" sleeper hit situation.

All these problems and a solid 9 eh? Ok then.

I agree with everything. And that's why I can't give it a better score. In fact, playing this game was a chore. I completed it only because I started it already. 6.5~7 for me is playable, but not essencial. A regular game.

The castle areas were too short. They were pretty, but too short. In fact, I would have preferred if MS dropped the city altogether and made 4 more areas inside the Castle. When you get to the map room and see the Castle, you think it'll be huge... but it really isn't. Total bummer.

Victor AND Alucard are fucking useless on this game.

Stealth sections are ridiculous. Completely unnecessary, I dont care if it makes sense on the story, it simply sucks. And RAT Dracula... someone is using some great shit on MS, WORST IDEA ever. Seriously... why? Everytime I had to transform into a rat I was already getting angry.

The music is completely forgetable, for most part. Besides the battle themes and one the plays when you visit Chupacabra, which was pretty cool. It's no news that I simply don't like this type of music at all.

The gameplay, while improved from the first game, after you master your weapons it tends to make you rely on 3 or 4 movements. The weapon variety was cool, so, it was more like 12 movements, which is ok. Void Sword was my preferred weapon. The movement where Gabriel spin the sword and goes in one direction was OP as fuck!

The story is a complete joke. Sorry for people who liked it, but it's objectively bad. What about the redemption? Fuck.this.shit MS. In fact I didn't want redemption at all, but this open end was lame.

Bring the new Castlevania already. I don't want to see more LoS in my life. In fact, I'll simply forget everything about it in the future.
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Post by: crisis on March 01, 2014, 10:24:52 PM
itd be funny if the next producer reveals at E3 "forget everything you knew about lords of shadow"

buuuuurrrrrrnnnnn!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Darkson on March 01, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
In bram strokers Dracula, aka the original, Dracula transforms into a rat.

And the issues I presented only counted for .2 points each. As for the story, you may think,it is bad but that doesn't mean it truly is. As I said, it's pretty good. Not great, but not bad either.

Gabriel proves his statement from back when he first fought lucifer: god forgives and redemption is available to all who ask for it. He asks for redemption and is given his chance. He isn't dead, but he has reconciled with his son and won't be alone anymore. He still has to repent, but that can be for another game or so.

The tale is about Gabriel, no one else. It's why the castle sections are there to show more of his inner conflict and how his humanity and his corruption are at odds constantly.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JayDominus on March 01, 2014, 10:58:15 PM
I do like LoS in general... but LoS 2 really dropped the ball when it comes to story. It's all over the place - does he want redemption, does he want death, does he want revenge? What was that "when the moment comes, choose your family" moment was all about? Why does Vampire Killer kill Satan? What were the Masks all about? Why does Dracula suddenly not want to die in the end? Why is Alucard okay with his hated father still being alive? What happens to them now? Who's going to manage hell now? What did Drac see in the mirror before he shattered it? What was the Castle? Was it a mental projection or a real place? If it's a real place, where does it exist? If it's a mental projection, how does he bring the bald guy in there and how did he meet Agreus? Why doesn't Dracula question modern technology? Why don't people question Zobek being still alive? Why didn't Zobek and Dracula thought, for just a moment, that the scary looking b[bleep!]tch may just happen to be an acolyte? And if Dracula can take on Death and Satan, why can't he kill a single Golgoth Guard?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 01, 2014, 11:02:13 PM
In bram strokers Dracula, aka the original, Dracula transforms into a rat.

And the issues I presented only counted for .2 points each. As for the story, you may think,it is bad but that doesn't mean it truly is. As I said, it's pretty good. Not great, but not bad either.

Gabriel proves his statement from back when he first fought lucifer: god forgives and redemption is available to all who ask for it. He asks for redemption and is given his chance. He isn't dead, but he has reconciled with his son and won't be alone anymore. He still has to repent, but that can be for another game or so.

The tale is about Gabriel, no one else. It's why the castle sections are there to show more of his inner conflict and how his humanity and his corruption are at odds constantly.
Seriously? That's cool, but it's still a shitty idea for gameplay. It can be cool on books and such, but for gameplay purposes... it sucks.

Seriously, I don't really care about Bram Stolker. I'm a fan of Castlevania only, not the Dracula mythos.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Darkson on March 01, 2014, 11:40:22 PM
I do like LoS in general... but LoS 2 really dropped the ball when it comes to story. It's all over the place - does he want redemption, does he want death, does he want revenge? What was that "when the moment comes, choose your family" moment was all about? Why does Vampire Killer kill Satan? What were the Masks all about? Why does Dracula suddenly not want to die in the end? Why is Alucard okay with his hated father still being alive? What happens to them now? Who's going to manage hell now? What did Drac see in the mirror before he shattered it? What was the Castle? Was it a mental projection or a real place? If it's a real place, where does it exist? If it's a mental projection, how does he bring the bald guy in there and how did he meet Agreus? Why doesn't Dracula question modern technology? Why don't people question Zobek being still alive? Why didn't Zobek and Dracula thought, for just a moment, that the scary looking b[bleep!]tch may just happen to be an acolyte? And if Dracula can take on Death and Satan, why can't he kill a single Golgoth Guard?

I'll answer this case by case

1. He initially wanted death, but throughout the game he develops through interactions with Marie and Trevor (who represent his humanity), victor, and alucard into wanting both revenge against zobek for his role in Marie's death, and lucifer for his manipulation of the events themself. It's why Gabriel is quite happy to kill zobek In a more personal manner.

2. The moment is to remind Gabriel that, if he wants to one day be reunited with Marie and reconcil with Trevor/alucard, he needs to remain true to his original self.

3. The vampire killer, due to being forged by the holiest if blacksmiths and having been somewhat further empowered by zobek, is able to slay the weakened lucifer (who is weaker on earth than in hell) due to being a creature of darkness, just like the lords of shadow.

4. The masks were more of a red herring than a true plot device. Lucifer used zobek to cause the spirits of the dead to be unable to ascend to heaven, to deny god and to, likely, eventually use them to become even more powerful than his father. The gods mask idea of power was implemented into zobeks mind to further this, and he was given the devil mask to gain easier control over others as well. It was all to further lucifers goal.

5. He's been reconciled with his son, so he is no longer alone. And, with alucard and having grown past the death phase, he wishes to repent for his actions and redeem himself.

6. Alucard knows that only Gabriel would be able to defeat lucifer, and, since Gabriel has been in seclusion for centuries, has likely mellowed out and isn't as angry as before at his father.

7. They will likely try to protect humanity. Who is to say that only zobek and such were the only threats? Other vampires can rise, demons or beings from the shadow realm as well. Not to mention, lucifer died on earth, so he's still in hell.

8. Lucifer. He died on earth, not hell. He's always weaker on earth and will return to hell upon death or defeat.

9. Likely saw that he may be able to truly redeem himself yet. Likely a sequel hook though.

10. The castle is a pocket dimension itself. It is from where Gabriel can store his powers and the denizens of his castle, which explains how the castle itself quickly repairs itself once he's around. Gabriel is able to bring others into it and things out of it, which is why the blood can escape from it and how he can bring the bald dude into it. It holds his humanity and powers as well. As for agreus, he likely traveled into the dimension to take revenge upon Gabriel for pans death. Agreus was an old god as well, so he did have some power.

11. Because modern tech is easy to grasp outside of going into its insides. You don't need to know how a light switch works to realize that you need to flip it to turn the lights on.

12. Only Gabriel knew zobek had seemingly died, and even then, he did ask how he was still alive. Zobek likely had a way to avoid dying due to being The Lord of the dead.

13. Because she was, previously, just looking like a normal human who, when apparently exposed to the gas, was transformed. They thought that she was transformed and as such, wasn't an acolyte.

14. The guards armor is indestructible. But they are quickly grown grunts with the mind of a child. They are only useful to serve as basic guards, nothing more.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JayDominus on March 01, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
I'll answer this case by case

1. He initially wanted death, but throughout the game he develops through interactions with Marie and Trevor (who represent his humanity), victor, and alucard into wanting both revenge against zobek for his role in Marie's death, and lucifer for his manipulation of the events themself. It's why Gabriel is quite happy to kill zobek In a more personal manner.

2. The moment is to remind Gabriel that, if he wants to one day be reunited with Marie and reconcil with Trevor/alucard, he needs to remain true to his original self.

3. The vampire killer, due to being forged by the holiest if blacksmiths and having been somewhat further empowered by zobek, is able to slay the weakened lucifer (who is weaker on earth than in hell) due to being a creature of darkness, just like the lords of shadow.

4. The masks were more of a red herring than a true plot device. Lucifer used zobek to cause the spirits of the dead to be unable to ascend to heaven, to deny god and to, likely, eventually use them to become even more powerful than his father. The gods mask idea of power was implemented into zobeks mind to further this, and he was given the devil mask to gain easier control over others as well. It was all to further lucifers goal.

5. He's been reconciled with his son, so he is no longer alone. And, with alucard and having grown past the death phase, he wishes to repent for his actions and redeem himself.

6. Alucard knows that only Gabriel would be able to defeat lucifer, and, since Gabriel has been in seclusion for centuries, has likely mellowed out and isn't as angry as before at his father.

7. They will likely try to protect humanity. Who is to say that only zobek and such were the only threats? Other vampires can rise, demons or beings from the shadow realm as well. Not to mention, lucifer died on earth, so he's still in hell.

8. Lucifer. He died on earth, not hell. He's always weaker on earth and will return to hell upon death or defeat.

9. Likely saw that he may be able to truly redeem himself yet. Likely a sequel hook though.

10. The castle is a pocket dimension itself. It is from where Gabriel can store his powers and the denizens of his castle, which explains how the castle itself quickly repairs itself once he's around. Gabriel is able to bring others into it and things out of it, which is why the blood can escape from it and how he can bring the bald dude into it. It holds his humanity and powers as well. As for agreus, he likely traveled into the dimension to take revenge upon Gabriel for pans death. Agreus was an old god as well, so he did have some power.

11. Because modern tech is easy to grasp outside of going into its insides. You don't need to know how a light switch works to realize that you need to flip it to turn the lights on.

12. Only Gabriel knew zobek had seemingly died, and even then, he did ask how he was still alive. Zobek likely had a way to avoid dying due to being The Lord of the dead.

13. Because she was, previously, just looking like a normal human who, when apparently exposed to the gas, was transformed. They thought that she was transformed and as such, wasn't an acolyte.

14. The guards armor is indestructible. But they are quickly grown grunts with the mind of a child. They are only useful to serve as basic guards, nothing more.
1. I take it Drac would gladly rip Zobek a new one anyway when Satan's out of the picture.
2. Yeah. AND IT GOES COMPLETELY NOWHERE.
3. But it's a VAMPIRE Killer. Not a Devil Killer. It can only kill Dracula because it's overcharged on vamps. Carmilla died from it because she was a vampire. And it was made by Gandolfi.
4. Makes sense... except for the fact that they do work in a way. God Mask works. You see dead people as if they are alive. Devil Mask works. It makes you kill your wife and that mute girl who can't shut the f[bleep!]ck up during a boss battle.
5. Does he? Never seen in the game itself.
6. Centuries of undeath are a good time to hold a grudge.
7. Yeah, would be nice... if it was in the game. Which it wasn't. It's just speculation.
8. Never stated in the game proper. From how it looks, he's gone forever.
9. Nice one. For the so-called trilogy finale.
10. Makes sense.
11. Words like "Pharmaceutical corporation" and "Antidote" when said by f[bleep!]cking Dracula are pretty hilarious. How does he even know them?
12. No, I was referring to a lore text that said that Zobek the general public of Castlevania City knows is 112 years old.
13. Only not, she didn't look anything like infected.
14. Indestructible? So Death, Leviathan and Lucifer aren't, but those guys are indestructible. Seriously, they should've made them fightable the second they introduced Chaos Claws.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Zuljaras on March 02, 2014, 12:01:36 AM
I guess I will be in the minority but I liked the game. I liked the boss fights. I even liked the end. The Death model was amazing for me :)

Now I need to revizit some places and get all the lore so I can read it in peace :D
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Darkson on March 02, 2014, 12:18:30 AM
1. I take it Drac would gladly rip Zobek a new one anyway when Satan's out of the picture.
2. Yeah. AND IT GOES COMPLETELY NOWHERE.
3. But it's a VAMPIRE Killer. Not a Devil Killer. It can only kill Dracula because it's overcharged on vamps. Carmilla died from it because she was a vampire. And it was made by Gandolfi.
4. Makes sense... except for the fact that they do work in a way. God Mask works. You see dead people as if they are alive. Devil Mask works. It makes you kill your wife and that mute girl who can't shut the f[bleep!]ck up during a boss battle.
5. Does he? Never seen in the game itself.
6. Centuries of undeath are a good time to hold a grudge.
7. Yeah, would be nice... if it was in the game. Which it wasn't. It's just speculation.
8. Never stated in the game proper. From how it looks, he's gone forever.
9. Nice one. For the so-called trilogy finale.
10. Makes sense.
11. Words like "Pharmaceutical corporation" and "Antidote" when said by f[bleep!]cking Dracula are pretty hilarious. How does he even know them?
12. No, I was referring to a lore text that said that Zobek the general public of Castlevania City knows is 112 years old.
13. Only not, she didn't look anything like infected.
14. Indestructible? So Death, Leviathan and Lucifer aren't, but those guys are indestructible. Seriously, they should've made them fightable the second they introduced Chaos Claws.

1. Likely, due to Gabriel's powers.

2. Not exactly. At the end of the game, he could've easily killed alucard and satan together. Instead, he waits and lets satan make the first move, saving his son when, old dracul, would've just killed him.

3. Lore wise, the weapon is called "the combat cross". The stake at the end is the "vampire killer". It is a holy weapon useful against the creature of darkness first, not just a vampire killer. It's why he was able to kill corneal, the titans, the dracolich, pan (an old god), and others in the first game.

4. They do work, but plot wise they are a red herring. The god mask just lets you see spirits as if they were alive. The devil mask allows others to control you.

5. Yes they do, like when they team up to take out zobek and lucifer. And when alucard asks what they do now.

6. And centuries of undeath are also a good time to come to terms with the past and learn to forgive.

7. You asked for what they could do now. Half your questions are in concern as to what happens in the future.

8. Lucifer died on earth in the last game. Gabriel broke his neck and caused a holy explosion. In this game, he comes back and dies on earth again. It is safe to assume he's back in hell. Kill him in hell though, and oblivion is his likely destination.

9. It is a lackluster ending, but is not likely the finale. Just because mercury steam is done, doesn't mean konami is. They can easily have someone like platinum games work on it.

10. Thank you

11. Gabriel was clearly awake for centuries, so he likely knew some words and such. Just look at the credits scene from 1.

12. People can reach the age of 120 these days. Since the modern times for the people of lords of shadow is more advance then ours, it is safe to say that his age isn't that unusual to them. What with biogas and such.

13. Yes she did. She had a twisted head and malformed mouth, just like them. Just because she wasn't spitting green goo, doesn't mean she couldn't pass for infected.

14. I agree with you on this one, still kinda minor though

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on March 02, 2014, 12:37:52 AM
got a good laugh out of how people are overly excited at this game being mediocre


no wonder IGA bailed

If you're going to snark, at least say something that makes sense.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: JayDominus on March 02, 2014, 03:28:23 AM
1. Likely, due to Gabriel's powers.

2. Not exactly. At the end of the game, he could've easily killed alucard and satan together. Instead, he waits and lets satan make the first move, saving his son when, old dracul, would've just killed him.

3. Lore wise, the weapon is called "the combat cross". The stake at the end is the "vampire killer". It is a holy weapon useful against the creature of darkness first, not just a vampire killer. It's why he was able to kill corneal, the titans, the dracolich, pan (an old god), and others in the first game.

4. They do work, but plot wise they are a red herring. The god mask just lets you see spirits as if they were alive. The devil mask allows others to control you.

5. Yes they do, like when they team up to take out zobek and lucifer. And when alucard asks what they do now.

6. And centuries of undeath are also a good time to come to terms with the past and learn to forgive.

7. You asked for what they could do now. Half your questions are in concern as to what happens in the future.

8. Lucifer died on earth in the last game. Gabriel broke his neck and caused a holy explosion. In this game, he comes back and dies on earth again. It is safe to assume he's back in hell. Kill him in hell though, and oblivion is his likely destination.

9. It is a lackluster ending, but is not likely the finale. Just because mercury steam is done, doesn't mean konami is. They can easily have someone like platinum games work on it.

10. Thank you

11. Gabriel was clearly awake for centuries, so he likely knew some words and such. Just look at the credits scene from 1.

12. People can reach the age of 120 these days. Since the modern times for the people of lords of shadow is more advance then ours, it is safe to say that his age isn't that unusual to them. What with biogas and such.

13. Yes she did. She had a twisted head and malformed mouth, just like them. Just because she wasn't spitting green goo, doesn't mean she couldn't pass for infected.

14. I agree with you on this one, still kinda minor though
2. Yes it does. He didn't kill Alucard because he never wanted to. He was horrified at the fact that the guy he just murdered is his son and tried his best to rejuvenate him. There was no choice, he just played bait and switch with Satan. No dilemma, no nothing, he got his bloody cake and ate it.
3. The Combat Cross is just that, a Cross with a chain whip in it. Considering how every Belmont in LoS had one, it's got to be a standard issue Brotherhood weapon for its special warriors. Cornell was staked with his own weapon, the Titans died because their runes were messed. Got nothing on Pan. Combat Cross was only important in LoS 2 up to that point because it had The Vampire Killer stake and it was the only thing that could kill Drac. No mention of Satan.
4. OK.
5. I was talking about him wishing to be a good guy now. Does he? Never mentioned in the game.
6. A fine point. Just like mine.
7. Because that's what the ending - the "grand finale" of the f[bleeping]king trilogy failed to provide - closure. It's Mass Effect 3 all over again.
8. Drac and Alu certainly look sure that he's gone for good. And there was no explosion this time, just a winged corpse.
9. Or they can just bring back the old continuity which a lot of people demand (but I'm really afraid of it). But a lot of PR mentioned that it's the end of LoS, once and for all.
11. He seems recently awakened, otherwise why is he so dry? If he was awake for such a long time, he surely would have a drink by then.
12. City Memorial addresses his age as unusually good and praises his good heart
13. No-no-no. The infected were completely messed up, she only had the head and scales.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on March 02, 2014, 06:06:57 AM
Gabriel's combat cross is unique. There are lots of standard issue reproductions but his is special because it was the original forged by Gandolfi himself with holy water and the nails and wood from the cross of Christ.

The word antidote isn't new, he'd know what that means. He doesn't have to concern himself with what the word pharmaceutical means.

Dracula wanted to die because he had lost all hope, until Alucard approaches him with the plan to use the sword forged from the stake of the vampire killer to put Dracula to sleep until Satans acolytes were ready to summon him so that they would lose all trace of his power and think he was obliterated in that holy explosion and no he wouldn't end upon hell because Cox has already stated that in this canon death for Gabriel would mean total oblivion.

He still wants to die at the start of the modern day segment because being in that deep sleep fragmented his memory and he doesn't remember his conversation with Alucard or the plan, which is why he can fool Zobek.

Alucard doesn't want to kill Gabriel because he obviously found out about Zobek and Satan and realizes that his father was kind of screwed over and not just totally evil.

The Golgoth guards use deadly guns that mix magic and science. Unless you're going to argue for the game not having a life bar period and nothing in it should be able to kill Gabriel period so he should have infinite life don't arbitrarily argue for one thing to not be able to harm him.
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Post by: JayDominus on March 02, 2014, 06:46:10 AM
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Gabriel's combat cross is unique. There are lots of standard issue reproductions but his is special because it was the original forged by Gandolfi himself with holy water and the nails and wood from the cross of Christ.
Fair point, it has been quite some time since I read flavor text in LOS1.
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The Golgoth guards use deadly guns that mix magic and science. Unless you're going to argue for the game not having a life bar period and nothing in it should be able to kill Gabriel period so he should have infinite life don't arbitrarily argue for one thing to not be able to harm him.
There's a fine line between being able to harm him and killing him in one hit. He is the Prince of Darkness. He SHOULD be able to take those mothereffers in an open fight.
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Post by: Viskod on March 02, 2014, 07:21:12 AM
In the areas in which you find them it always serves his purpose to get past them quickly or quietly or as I. The train section to get to the front of the train and avoid them.

There's no reason why Dracula can't be quiet and cunning, it gives us a chance to see more of the things that the myth is if the character includes instead if just punching dudes.

That being said I would have loved to be able to use possession in combat.
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Post by: JayDominus on March 02, 2014, 07:24:10 AM
Except for the Acolyte area. Nergal knew he was coming, so there was no purpose in sneaking.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 02, 2014, 09:25:12 AM
People really trying to defend golgoth guards, REALLY??
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Post by: Viskod on March 02, 2014, 09:27:10 AM
Nergal did not know he was coming, which is why Gabriel and Alucard stood out of sight when Victor died, so he wouldn't see them and they would keep the element of surprise. Also referenced by his first words being "Do my eyes deceive me?" Because he couldn't believe Gabriel was there.

Even if he did know Gabriel was coming why would Gabriel want to cause a big ruckus on the floors below and let him know he was in the building and on the way, Zobek warned Gabriel ahead if time that this "rival" would prove very dangerous so it would be stupid to not keep the element if surprise for as long as possible.
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Post by: Viskod on March 02, 2014, 09:30:38 AM
People really trying to defend golgoth guards, REALLY??

Yes, because it's surprisingly easy to do in the context if the game. Especially when the argument against them is always just "I don't like stealth" which is a perfectly valid opinion that exists separately from the context of this games stealth segments.

I'm not saying they are the best examples of stealth mechanically, but they do work.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 02, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Yes, because it's surprisingly easy to do in the context if the game. Especially when the argument against them is always just "I don't like stealth" which is a perfectly valid opinion that exists separately from the context of this games stealth segments.

I'm not saying they are the best examples of stealth mechanically, but they do work.
They don't work on the context that they aren't fun, something that games should always strive for. They "work", but they aren't really good.

I could say the opposite: people are trying to give arguments to validate why the Golgoth Guards are overpowered in this game. While they are valid arguments/defenses, doesn't mean they are good explanations, at all. Specially while they are tied with such bad and unnecessary mechanic on this game. If it was ONLY for ONE time, I would be more understandable, as Dracula WAS really weak.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 02, 2014, 10:12:03 AM
I think Golgoth Guards were used to show Dracula was still weak at the beginning. When he becomes more powerful, Dracula still needs the "element of surprise", so he cannot rush through the buildings to reach the Acolytes. My 2 cts on the matter.
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Post by: Intersection on March 02, 2014, 10:19:45 AM
Four chapters later, and my expectations for the game have plummeted. Here are a few more impressions. (Keep in mind that what I'd first enjoyed in LoS2 still stands; this is just to point out a few glaring faults).

- I'd said that the game was "genuinely nonlinear", but it's probably not the right term. LoS2's world is based on a nonlinear structure, and there can be some worthwhile backtracking to be done, but for the most part it's simply a series of rigidly linear paths that are connected by larger areas that serve as destinations. The map actually makes this pretty clear. There are definitely a few interspersed locations that you can explore, but when you've set on a linear path you're expected to follow it.

- Traversal segments through LoS2's city areas are more dull, disoriented, and just plain ugly than anything I've yet seen from MS. Especially once you've gotten used to the towering spires and breathtaking vistas you'd witnessed only a few chapters before, the uniformly grey, dark, and bare rooms of those dilapidated modern buildings you're forced to explore start to look like the ugliest environments you've ever laid your eyes on. Nearly every single room looks the same, with only one variation or another of the same damp walls, half-destroyed modern furniture, and utterly colorless surroundings. To make things worse, there's often very little logic to the paths you'll be forced to take; there were times when the level design became so incoherent that I lost sight of where I was going, or how I was supposed to be getting there. It wasn't rare for me to find myself platforming through random trial-and-error. After all, why on earth is Dracula forced to scuttle through a bookstore and restore power to a mental asylum if he only needs to reach the exterior of a corporate HQ (to which Zobek had already teleported Dracula in the first place)?
Even the Bioquimek segments, which are comparatively an improvement, don't offer much more past the miles upon miles of the same sealed rooms and metal platforms, electrical wires and pipelines, and crates and barrels of toxic waste. You're also supposed to be exploring a large, modern city, but there isn't a human being in sight, unless you count the mutilated bodies you'll find lying on the ground. I know that there's a plot point to take care of this, but this doesn't explain why every single area you explore is completely empty, save for the occasional mutant pack you'll encounter here and there.
There's also relatively little enemy variety in "Castlevania City"; the only monsters you'll consistently encounter are mutants -- mutants eating corpses, mutants with claws, mutants with sticks, mutants with sledgehammers, mutants with shotguns, big mutants with horns, all of which look like they're pasted straight from Resident Evil (which they probably are). Only the occasional dishonored vampire or riot police spice up the combat. Still, I'd like to understand just what kind of an idiot chose to paste flying, gun-toting mech armors into a gothic-styled Castlevania game centered on Dracula, taking place in modern (and not future) day. To the game's credit, though, mechs are still fun to defeat.

- I mentioned in my last post that stealth was terrible. I take that back. Stealth is absolutely atrocious. It's not even just linear -- it's "do exactly this or die" linear. And when you're not sure what exactly you're supposed to do, since the game rarely makes that clear, then you're completely screwed. Even the slightest glimmers of player ingenuity are punished as if they were fatal mistakes -- so what is there left to enjoy?
Incidentally, could someone explain why getting accidentally hit by a bat-swarmed guard's rocket launcher does as much damage as getting hit by the fired rocket itself?

- "Next Stop: Castlevania." Do I even need to mention how poorly-made this section is? I mean, if there absolutely needed to be a generic moving train sequence, it could at least have been done correctly. But no -- stick an obtrusive cutscene every ten seconds of gameplay, and you've clearly got a winner. Not that the gameplay is particularly interesting in the first place. Combat? There's combat, all right, interrupted as it invariably is thirty seconds after it starts. Stealth? Golgoth guards? You bet.  Stupid shimmying puzzles? How about "avoid the lights on the top of the train", and "avoid getting hit by the wall on the side"? That's called a recipe for success.

The game's plot is still a complete mess, and Marie's and Carmilla's appearances in the next chapter don't help in the least. But I'd given up on the narrative long ago. Besides, despite another stealth section (can't get enough of these, can we?), Drac's return to his castle marks the return of some solid combat and a good boss encounter. So I'm not one to complain here.
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 02, 2014, 10:37:00 AM
I totally agree with all your points. I think the game is good but not the tight experience that Lords of Shadow 1 had. The weird thing is they took out fat that was in LOS1 but added more fat, so weird. Also train sequence had moments of Badass reduced by that stupid avoid the stupid lights on the train. Also I hate the fact that bug demon comes in all types in this game. IS HELL ONLY FILLED WITH GENERIC STUPID BUG DEMONS.

Also beauty of castle vistas really destroys the city stuff. They should have made this game 80% castle and 20% city and the game would been better for it.
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Post by: crisis on March 02, 2014, 10:44:30 AM
ive been reading a lot of newfound praise for los1 lately

not even 2 years ago people were shitting on it left & right, and when i read stuff how los2 is seemingly worse than los1 that just baffles me
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on March 02, 2014, 10:47:20 AM
The thing is Lords of Shadow 2 has really better combat but Lords of Shadow 1 had more interesting vista, better enemy variety. Lords of Shadow 1 was game that knew what it was, Lords of Shadow 2 is game that doesn't seem to know what it is. Is it a stealth game? A combat game? A exploration game? Bergaron said it best they tried to do too much. Lords of Shadow 2 is a good game but its mess. In short the sequel doesn't fulfill the potential of first one. Problems in development yeah you can see it in this game.
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Post by: crisis on March 02, 2014, 11:12:00 AM
i recall people saying (on this forum & others) los1 is just a strange frankenstein-esque amalgam of several different games aesthetically & gameplay-wise, borrowing from everything else except the series it was supposed to be apart of, albeit much worse in execution, i.e. a "mess"

then people were shitting on los1's enemies too; the big-nosed trolls & goblins, the pig-orc vampires, chupacabras. most common word used to describe these enemies was "uninspired"


but it seems los1 is being looked back on as a "more-focused attempt at 3Dvania" which contradicts various opinions i've read since it was released up until now. its just funny to me how things can change so drastically over the course of a couple years
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Post by: Maedhros on March 02, 2014, 11:12:19 AM
I think Golgoth Guards were used to show Dracula was still weak at the beginning. When he becomes more powerful, Dracula still needs the "element of surprise", so he cannot rush through the buildings to reach the Acolytes. My 2 cts on the matter.

So make it as that Dracula can fight and defeat them, (after he gets his Chaos Claws), if he gets exposed.

It just too weak strawman, this argument.
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 02, 2014, 11:30:41 AM
i recall people saying (on this forum & others) los1 is just a strange frankenstein-esque amalgam of several different games aesthetically & gameplay-wise, borrowing from everything else except the series it was supposed to be apart of, albeit much worse in execution, i.e. a "mess"

then people were shitting on los1's enemies too; the big-nosed trolls & goblins, the pig-orc vampires, chupacabras. most common word used to describe these enemies was "uninspired"


but it seems los1 is being looked back on as a "more-focused attempt at 3Dvania" which contradicts various opinions i've read since it was released up until now. its just funny to me how things can change so drastically over the course of a couple years
I think that was because of the initial shock of people because Lords of Shadow is really different from previous castlevania. I think people have valid right to say they don't like the game because it was different from was before or the designs not to their linking. However, I am looking at Lords of Shadow 1 as its own thing and I think the game art design and look was pretty inspired and gameplay mechanics were good but just needed to be improved. It was first try after all. Unfortunately it seems mercury stream weren't able to improve on a pretty solid foundation besides the combat. I will say one thing about Mercury stream they really know how to do boss battles. At least they continued that tradition of Castlevania games.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 02, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
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Post by: Viskod on March 02, 2014, 12:18:36 PM
They don't work on the context that they aren't fun, something that games should always strive for. They "work", but they aren't really good.

I could say the opposite: people are trying to give arguments to validate why the Golgoth Guards are overpowered in this game. While they are valid arguments/defenses, doesn't mean they are good explanations, at all. Specially while they are tied with such bad and unnecessary mechanic on this game. If it was ONLY for ONE time, I would be more understandable, as Dracula WAS really weak.

I do wish the game had given us opportunity to beat the tar out of one at a later point in the game. Catch one out and about somewhere, Dracula surprises him and knocks his gun away, guard looks in the Erie toon the gun flew then back to Dracula who us just cracking his knuckles.
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Post by: Shinobi on March 02, 2014, 12:23:40 PM
Now currently playing the game, am I the only one that this game reminds me of Tenchu? I think that's the good thing in my own perspective that is. The rat thing isn't really a bad thing nor ineffective for me either.
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Post by: thernz on March 02, 2014, 12:36:12 PM
but it seems los1 is being looked back on as a "more-focused attempt at 3Dvania" which contradicts various opinions i've read since it was released up until now. its just funny to me how things can change so drastically over the course of a couple years
well lords 2 is relatively worse in all those aspects, basically.
lords 2's thematic elements like stealth and modern city etc are also more distanced from older castlevania's themes i guess too?

dungeon's userbase has also changed since 3 years ago lol.
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Post by: KaZudra on March 02, 2014, 12:38:16 PM
Get this, The Revelations DLC is real, and you play as Alucard!
http://www.justpushstart.com/2014/03/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-revelations-dlc-could-be-coming-soon/ (http://www.justpushstart.com/2014/03/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-revelations-dlc-could-be-coming-soon/)

maybe was can get a Victor DLC (Covers his part before death), and a True ending DLC (a Real Final fight with Satan)
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Post by: Dremn on March 02, 2014, 12:45:13 PM
ive been reading a lot of newfound praise for los1 lately

not even 2 years ago people were shitting on it left & right, and when i read stuff how los2 is seemingly worse than los1 that just baffles me
I don't get it either, LoS1 didn't magically get better after all these years. A lot of people are being kinda flip floppy about it.
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 02, 2014, 01:10:30 PM
I don't get it either, LoS1 didn't magically get better after all these years. A lot of people are being kinda flip floppy about it.
I would disagree. Some of us loved Lords of Shadow 1 and for me as castlevania fan whose excitement dissipated at time of Sorrow games, Lords of Shadow 1 brought me back to the franchise.  It is shame it was disappointing.
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Post by: e105beta on March 02, 2014, 01:21:32 PM
ive been reading a lot of newfound praise for los1 lately

not even 2 years ago people were shitting on it left & right, and when i read stuff how los2 is seemingly worse than los1 that just baffles me

I thought the same thing, but when you actually go back and look at it, you realize it was people HERE were shitting on it left & right. A lot of people genuinely liked it.

Just look at the metacritic.
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Post by: beingthehero on March 02, 2014, 01:40:35 PM
I thought the consensus here was that metacritic and reviews don't matter because reviewers are dumb and biased and only paid to give good scores.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 02, 2014, 01:46:56 PM
I don't get it either, LoS1 didn't magically get better after all these years. A lot of people are being kinda flip floppy about it.

There's a term for this but since I can't think of the proper name, but the phenomenon is synonymous with the 3D Zelda games where the follow up game is disappointing and the previous game(s) are looked at a bit more fondly.

This is also synonymous with 3D Castlevania's as well.
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 02, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
Kingshango: I never got your opinion on Lords of Shadow 2. Did you think it was better or worse than Lords of Shadow 1?
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Post by: Kingshango on March 02, 2014, 02:02:24 PM
Kingshango: I never got your opinion on Lords of Shadow 2. Did you think it was better or worse than Lords of Shadow 1?

Have not played the game myself yet but from what I've seen of the game, some aspects look great (the castle, the combat, the bosses, the somewhat non linear world) and some aspect are.......not so great (the generic interiors of the modern setting, the stealth, the plot, oh dear God the PLOT). It's a solid 7/10 until I get my hands on it, then I'll make a more detailed review.
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Post by: e105beta on March 02, 2014, 02:31:24 PM
Have not played the game myself yet but from what I've seen of the game, some aspects look great (the castle, the combat, the bosses, the somewhat non linear world) and some aspect are.......not so great (the generic interiors of the modern setting, the stealth, the plot, oh dear God the PLOT). It's a solid 7/10 until I get my hands on it, then I'll make a more detailed review.

My friends and I have already started using the phrase "Well, at least it's not as bad as Victor" when describing awful writing and characterization.

Goddammit MercurySteam.
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Post by: bigbossbalorg on March 02, 2014, 02:39:31 PM
I thought Dracul was a really good character.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 02, 2014, 02:45:21 PM
Don't see many of the American scores. Here's one from a non-gaming site, Bloody-Disgusting(one of my favorite horror movie sites):

Score: 6.5/10

http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3281129/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-review/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3281129/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-review/)
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 02, 2014, 02:51:01 PM
I'm sure that there will be a LOS3.

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Post by: Eärendil on March 02, 2014, 03:28:27 PM
After finishing the game, I took a few days to simmer down just so my little review wouldn't come off as a rant. Unfortunately, this is going to sound like a rant anyway...

The game begins with a lot of excitement. Even the story starts off well and stays fairly engaging with good content up until the plot gets lazy and disappointing near the end. The classic castle in design, game play experience and atmosphere, all work very well. The classic castlevania aspect of the game is very beautiful and I have very little problem with any of it. The boss fights and combats are amazing. The overall controls are clearly improved upon over LOS1 and the freedom of camera angle is also a solid improvement. The added feel of exploration is decent, though I think that could have been better still. My initial thoughts overall of the game were very positive early on. You may even remember that I made a favorable post earlier in this thread after I had a few hours of play...

Unfortunately, though, as the game progresses, some very glaring and embarrassing problems just plain out ruin the overall experience. Lords of Shadow 2 will be remembered by me as a game with so much wasted potential. I'm kind of pissed off at Konami more than I am Mercury Steam. It's bloody goddamned inexcusable not to catch the colossal failures in development of the modern design and layout of the city. The blandness, lifelessness and otherwise underdeveloped look of the city structures and garages as opposed to the beautiful Gothic Castlevania backdrop completely breaks immersion. The poor scaling, puzzling wall placements and textures are so bad it looks almost intentional or a joke. Likewise, the creatures in the city are repeatedly generic and predictable. These problems make the recent story about the struggles within MS seem very believable. It looks like the modern elements were developed after or possibly started around the time that the original art director left. Because the classic castle design is a complete 180 from the modern city design. Konami should have scoffed at this when they did their own tests and sent this rather unfinished product right back to Mercury Steam and told them, "Hell no, this is unacceptable. Clean this up. Hire a new art director. Or we'll take over with the license and finish it elsewhere." It's embarrassingly bad. You can't avoid not noticing through half of the game. Unfortunately, the plot doesn't help to ease the significance of the design flaws either. Like many of you, I'd been a fan of the franchise since a child in the late 80s. But I actually enjoyed the fresh new take on Castlevania with the story of Gabriel Belmont/Dracula and the Lords of Shadow. My hopes were that Mercury Steam would progress upon that story, not turn it into a steaming pile. That is the result of 8 years of development? Here's to hoping they salvage it with a conclusion in the DLC, if there is going to be such, and put this facepalm of a plot to bed. To be clear, I do not blame Dave Cox. I think he did the best he could in the face of less than favorable circumstances. I think he is otherwise a respectable person. But he has got to be happy his involvement is over.

Edit: I'm going to add a few more thoughts and let this go for now. I already see talk of a LOS3. I find that disappointing. I think Konami should just do a whole new reboot altogether. I can't see a new studio wanting to carry on with any kind of attached canon to the Lords of Shadow storyline now. I hope Konomi will give a decisive conclusion to this saga in the rumored "Revelations" DLC for LOS2. But as far as a whole new game, I really hope now that Konami makes a new 3d game in the vein of the classic vanias, or if you like, even a 2D/2.5D game. Maybe even visit or revisit some historical Vlad Dracula and Bram Storker Dracula together for the next Prince of Darkness. Perhaps they revisit the metroidvanias or even a whole new route from anything that has been previously done; whatever... just put the Lords of Shadow concept to bed!
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Post by: Darkson on March 02, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
Mind elaborating on what makes the plot faceplaming? I'll admit that is isn't great, but it's still pretty good.
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Post by: e105beta on March 02, 2014, 05:50:19 PM
Mind elaborating on what makes the plot faceplaming? I'll admit that is isn't great, but it's still pretty good.

As one of this game's previous paladins, I'll give it a shot.

First, the idea that Dracula is weak and needs to gain strength is never fully realized because the game never gives you any real idea of when he's "powerful" beyond him no longer being a decrepit old man. At his peak, Dracula is supposed to be a being so powerful neither Satan nor Death dare challenge him, that it takes 500+ years for his enemies to get the confidence to re-invade the world. We never see this in the game, part for gameplay reasons and part for story reasons. For example, stealth. It makes sense at the beginning, but eventually it should go away. I think the first moment it truly becomes unacceptable is the Agreus fight, since you fight him right afterwards. There was no need for sneaking. It's pure gameplay reasoning getting in the way of plot. By the time he's put down Raisa Volkova, he should be able to bust Golgoth Guards like nobody's business. He's more powerful than a child of Satan, nobody but Satan or his other children should really be able to mess with him. And why is he sneaking into Nergal's headquarters? Why doesn't he just bring down the building? He logically has the power to do it, but no, he sneaks there and Nergal makes him his bitch with some lightning. Then, with no real upgrades after that, Dracula rips Zobek and new one and kills Satan. The game, story-wise, does a horrible job of making the player feel powerful outside of the actual boss fights. It's incredibly inconsistent.

Second, the castle cutscenes, while probably the best plot moments, never reach their conclusion. Marie gives him the most compelling speech in the game, about how he needs to free himself from the castle, become who she really knows he his, and choose his family, but it never happens. Dracula agrees with it, but it never really happens. To free himself from the castle, he needs to shed his dark side, since the castle is essentially a manifestation of his power, but this doesn't happen. Defeating Inner Dracula would show his dominance over his dark blood and his decision to move towards the light, but it doesn't happen. He fights Inner Dracula, but doesn't even get to strike the finishing blow. The blood just flows away saying "You can never get rid of me!", and it's right! As long as Gabriel is Dracula, he will never be able to live in peace. He will forever be stuck in the "castle" of his mind. He needs to die. He needs to find redemption in death. He wants to be with his wife. He does not want eternity, and Alucard doesn't either. Neither of them ever wanted to be a vampire, and while it makes sense that they could put aside their grudge to defeat Satan and Zobek, the idea that they just walk off into the distance as father and son is lame. You can claim that Dracula and Alucard's outlook on life just changed when they realized they had each other, but that's pretty weak and not really one of the primary themes of the story, and hence the claim of bad plot.

Third, Victor. His fight was awesome, but with what they did to him, he shouldn't have even been included. His shift from a hero of the Brotherhood and champion of humanity to buddy buddy with Dracula, the vampire that ruled the land with an evil fist, destroyed his order, and is the corrupted origin of his bloodline happens far, far too quickly. He literally gets handed the antidote, along with his butt, then makes up his mind to sacrifice himself for him. Even if we were playing as anyone else, the shift from "I am your enemy" to "I will die for you!" is way too fast. It's not even a spur of the moment Matrix dive moment. He pre-meditates sacrificing himself so that Dracula can get an idea where the next acolyte is. He doesn't die defending Dracula from a badguy, he doesn't die trying to kill said badguy, he dies to become a glorified Dodo Relic. He completely ignores his responsibilities as commander of the Brotherhood. He also never gave that antidote to someone.

That. Is. Awful.

Fourth, a lot of the story is presented a very unique, psychological way. This would be fine if the game stuck to the series's themes of fate, vengeance, and redemption, but it doesn't so the story just comes off as a bunch of goofy head stuff and leaves a lot of loose ends. Why can the Vampire Killer kill Satan? It didn't kill him in LoS, so why does it work now? In fact, who says Satan is even dead? He didn't die last time, so why is he dead now? He was just sent back to hell. Same with Zobek. Zobek didn't die last time, so what makes him dead now? Nobody ever explains it. So if that's the case, then why did Dracula stage a 500+ year gambit for the sole purpose of killing Satan and Zobek if there is nothing in the game that tells us how this is actually going to finally kill them? The uncertainty of payoff to prep time ratio is untenable. And that's big stuff. There's little stuff too, like Dracula waking up, talking to Zobek, screaming, going back to sleep, then waking up again to remember his conversation with Zobek. The way it was presented is confusing. Or back to Victor, if Zobek can figure out that one of the acolytes is in the Biomek corporation, then why can't he conclude that the largest weapons dealer in the world that deals in weapons laced with dark magic might POSSIBLY have an acolyte in it? Victor needed to die for that? Bad writing. They also tossed aside some primary themes, such as God's influence in the matter and the workings of Fate, with no real conclusion other than Gabriel smashing the Mirror and resolving that fate had no hold over him. But that was never the problem! The problem was that God revived Gabriel to repent, and Gabriel said "Fuck you!"

Now this is more personal preference, but the perfect ending to this game would have been something along these lines: Gabriel is ready to use the Vampire Killer on himself, but Inner Dracula doesn't allow it. He takes over Gabriel which ensues in a fight against Victor who gets the Vampire Killer and uses it to fight Dracula. Then, the fight would then flit between that and a mirror'd fight with a dark manifestation of Inner Dracula. So while Dracula fights Victor in real life, Gabriel fights Dracula in his mind. Then, Gabriel beats Dracula, symbolizing the letting go of his hatred and grief, and Victor uses the opportunity to impale Dracula with the Vampire Killer. Big impressive moment with light and blood and screaming and then bam, Gabriel dies and finds himself in the arms of Marie or something like that. That kind of ending would have utilized the themes of the series so much better.

I love Castlevania. I love Classicvanias and Metroidvanias. I've played every game in the series minus the gameboy ones. I love Lords of Shadow. Mirror of Fate is one of my all time favorite games, as little sense as that makes. I even give LoS2 a 7.5/10 because of how fun it's combat and boss battles were, and how beautiful the castle sections were. But I cannot get over how badly LoS2 botched up a perfectly set up storyline. It's just...bad.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on March 02, 2014, 06:08:45 PM
I like your idea for the ending. I'll admit I'm no LoS fan but I think the way you described how it should've ended would've been a good way to end the series.
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Post by: Darkson on March 02, 2014, 06:29:42 PM
With some reflection, I actually agree with most of what you say beta. Which, of course, hurts the story and knocks the game to a solid 8.3 though. I suppose I just focused so much on Gabriel that I ignored the missed opportunities, poor conclusions, and mistakes like victors handling.

The Golgoths should've been beatable later on. Victor should've killed Gabriel at the end, perhaps with alucard choosing death as well. And Satan should've been the final boss in a truer form.

If I may add though, perhaps have alucard also holding Gabriel down and giving victor time to stake both of them? Gabriel is fighting, but its a neck to neck battle that forces alucard to also die to give both men their freedom.
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Post by: e105beta on March 02, 2014, 06:39:55 PM
With some reflection, I actually agree with most of what you say beta. Which, of course, hurts the story and knocks the game to a solid 8.3 though. I suppose I just focused so much on Gabriel that I ignored the missed opportunities, poor conclusions, and mistakes like victors handling.

The Golgoths should've been beatable later on. Victor should've killed Gabriel at the end, perhaps with alucard choosing death as well. And Satan should've been the final boss in a truer form.

If I may add though, perhaps have alucard also holding Gabriel down and giving victor time to stake both of them? Gabriel is fighting, but its a neck to neck battle that forces alucard to also die to give both men their freedom.

I agree with that. I wish bodybuilder Satan was given an actual fight. While LoS1 Satan had the subtle, "Prince of Lies" feeling to him, LoS2 Satan had this cocksure, arrogant, ruthless, magnificent bastard feeling to him that I would have loved to take on in an actual fight. I mean, he just ripped the 3rd acolyte's face off for no good reason. I wanted to fight that guy!

I also would not object to Alucard getting staked as well at all. Would be a nice conclusion for both of them, leaving Victor as the last Belmont standing.
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Post by: uzo on March 02, 2014, 06:40:51 PM
The plot sounds hilariously awful. Did anyone make a compilation of the cutscenes on Youtube yet? I think I have to see this trainwreck in action. Got some popcorn ready.



Also...

I thought the consensus here was that metacritic and reviews don't matter because reviewers are dumb and biased and only paid to give good scores.

Only used by people when it agrees with them. Only invalid when it doesn't.

If someone is going to defend or shit on a game, they need to use their own words. It's fine to use actual reviews as a reference point for your argument, and maybe even corroboration in some cases, but simply pointing to Metacritic and saying a game is 'awesome' or 'shit' just makes you look like a moron.
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Post by: Darkson on March 02, 2014, 06:42:48 PM
With dlc beta, we may have Gabriel go to hell. I have a feeling though that the alucard dlc will be the first and last dlc, but I am hoping there is more. I'd just like to have the dragon fight the serpent.
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Post by: e105beta on March 02, 2014, 06:49:41 PM
The plot sounds hilariously awful. Did anyone make a compilation of the cutscenes on Youtube yet? I think I have to see this trainwreck in action. Got some popcorn ready.

Walkthroughs are about as good as it gets right now.

Only used by people when it agrees with them. Only invalid when it doesn't.

If someone is going to defend or shit on a game, they need to use their own words. It's fine to use actual reviews as a reference point for your argument, and maybe even corroboration in some cases, but simply pointing to Metacritic and saying a game is 'awesome' or 'shit' just makes you look like a moron.

I wasn't trying to claim that at all. I was simply using Metacritic as a reference point to show how LoS1 was much more well received outside of the Dungeon than people remember.

With dlc beta, we may have Gabriel go to hell. I have a feeling though that the alucard dlc will be the first and last dlc, but I am hoping there is more. I'd just like to have the dragon fight the serpent.

That would be my last hope for the ending, but I'm not getting my hopes up until I see the very end of said DLC if it ever even comes to pass. Right now, as far as I'm concerned, it's never happening.
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Post by: crisis on March 02, 2014, 06:51:42 PM
i would love to see some lords of shadow action figures high quality like the Play Arts Kai figure line

a play arts Kai Dracula or Trevo would look pretty phat dont yuo guys think?
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Post by: Darkson on March 02, 2014, 06:55:35 PM
Gabriel has plenty of material rife for story telling. How about we get the guys who wrote neir to write the next story, while platinum games further polishes the story and environments?
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Post by: Kingshango on March 02, 2014, 06:55:55 PM
Everything

You've said it all.

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Post by: Maedhros on March 02, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
I remember a time where people wanted to see redemption on the ending, while I was one of the few who wanted to not see it. No one got anything in the end, though.
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Post by: Darkson on March 02, 2014, 07:13:03 PM
You know what Gabriel should've said to the golden paladin, at least once?
"Call your dogs! They can feast on your corpse!" As a little nod to vorador from lok. The game really should've had better references.
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Post by: Dremn on March 02, 2014, 07:32:10 PM
Alvarez is the only person who probably thinks his story is 10/10

Why has no one uploaded the Belmont Lineage illustrations yet? :V
i would love to see some lords of shadow action figures high quality like the Play Arts Kai figure line

a play arts Kai Dracula or Trevo would look pretty phat dont yuo guys think?
Would love to see it happen, I would love to own a Simon Belmont or Death statue.
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Post by: uzo on March 02, 2014, 07:32:46 PM
i would love to see some lords of shadow action figures high quality like the Play Arts Kai figure line

a play arts Kai Dracula or Trevo would look pretty phat dont yuo guys think?

As much as I don't really like the LoS series in a whole, the majority of character designs and artwork are fantastic (Simon Belmont not withstanding).

I would totally be down for figures of LoS1 Gabriel, along with some MoF Trevor and Alucard.
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Post by: Eärendil on March 02, 2014, 08:04:07 PM
As one of this game's previous paladins, I'll give it a shot.

That wasn't a mere shot, that was a 16" salvo direct hit. The plot was an enormous disappointment. This combined with the flaws in the design of the city flat out ruined the game. I won't rate it a horrible game. The boss fights, combat and immersive castle environments kept me going. But the story and the last few hours of the game left me so utterly disappointed and scratching my head, I can only think that the person responsible, albeit Alverez, or whoever that had final say on how it unfolded, is a complete jackass. It's a mockery. The story goes straight to hell (and not in a good way). Here's to hoping whatever evolves as the DLC for LOS2 can salvage this into a satisfying conclusion. But at this point, I'm not expecting it.
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Post by: Dominus on March 02, 2014, 08:05:27 PM
I need someone on the internet to extract all of LoS2 boss portraits like yesterday and post them on the wiki because those things are giving me so much life.
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Post by: Flame on March 02, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
(Simon Belmont not withstanding)

Don't you be dissin' Simon. best redesign IMO. kept the best of both iterations. barbarian, and redhead
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Post by: JayDominus on March 02, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
Don't you be dissin' Simon. best redesign IMO. kept the best of both iterations. barbarian, and redhead
Hell yes this. BDSimon ain't got shit on LoSimon.
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Post by: uzo on March 02, 2014, 08:32:21 PM
Don't you be dissin' Simon. best redesign IMO. kept the best of both iterations. barbarian, and redhead

I cant get over the retarded face belt.





Oh also, in response to my own query (also highly likely I could have missed it before in this thread) there seems to be a cutscene compilation for Lords of Shadow 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo)

Really though, 3 and a half hours? That's Metal Gear territory.
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on March 02, 2014, 09:25:47 PM
Alright, played the game two and half times now so I'll give my thoughts.  And try to stay serious and on track, but no promises.

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All done. Time for waffles.
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Post by: Flame on March 02, 2014, 09:37:14 PM
I cant get over the retarded face belt.
Really? I liked it. Didn't look like he could bend over, but it looked cool. Reminded me of something I may have seen in a history book, regarding ancient armors, kind of like how samurai faceplates had demon mouths on them.





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Oh also, in response to my own query (also highly likely I could have missed it before in this thread) there seems to be a cutscene compilation for Lords of Shadow 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dlL1MFoWo)

Really though, 3 and a half hours? That's Metal Gear territory.

3 and a half hours is HARDLY Metal gear territory. That's actually, for a 20 hour game, pretty small time.
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Post by: Dremn on March 02, 2014, 09:44:19 PM
3 1/2 hours is nothing, MGS4 has over 24 hours of cutscenes. I should know, I had a lot of free time once and watched every single cutscene in the game, it was like the length of 5 trilogies or something.
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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on March 02, 2014, 10:01:56 PM
3 1/2 hours is nothing, MGS4 has over 24 hours of cutscenes. I should know, I had a lot of free time once and watched every single cutscene in the game, it was like the length of 5 trilogies or something.

I know some people may that about MGS as a whole, but I commend a man that damn dedicated to his story.  I wish more games were half as dedicated. I mean fuck no, I don't want every video game to have stories as long, my attention span is far too short for that, but damn. Awesome dedication. I salute him.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 03, 2014, 12:38:22 AM
I think it's also worth adding that the Dracula-Alucard gambit is the most convoluted plan ever.
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 01:02:43 AM
Especially since Zobek, as lord of the dead, can not be killed- considering he was already killed once before, and Satan, similarly, was already killed by gabriel once before. When satan is killed, he just goes back to hell.

game does nothing to establish why these two deaths are any different than their last two.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 03, 2014, 01:03:48 AM
Why has no one uploaded the Belmont Lineage illustrations yet? :V
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Post by: Viskod on March 03, 2014, 04:32:50 AM
I've seen this misunderstanding a lot over the game, but Dracula does not break the Mirror of Fate at the end, what he breaks is the Wolf Crest, which shows he chooses staying there with Alucard over staying in his own world in the Castle with those visions (ghosts?) of Marie and Trevor. You can see the crest glow with the same blue glow that it does every time he gets it out and holds it up.

Then you can just chalk up him saying "Who knows what fate has in store for us" to bad writing and a plot hole.
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Post by: Little Dracula on March 03, 2014, 05:17:37 AM
I've seen this misunderstanding a lot over the game, but Dracula does not break the Mirror of Fate at the end, what he breaks is the Wolf Crest, which shows he chooses staying there with Alucard over staying in his own world in the Castle with those visions (ghosts?) of Marie and Trevor. You can see the crest glow with the same blue glow that it does every time he gets it out and holds it up.

Then you can just chalk up him saying "Who knows what fate has in store for us" to bad writing and a plot hole.


Really?,
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My opinion about the game.

In my opinion is a great game, first of all, reviews below 7 are total BS, never had any problem with the stealth parts, a non issue for me and to be honest I have fun with them but I must say that they don't belong to a Castlevania game.

I feel like they dropped the ball with the last 3rd of the game, the story feels rushed, characters underused, the last boss is mediocre, and the ending was OK but not the ending to close the LoS saga, they better have a kickass last boss and ending in the DLC.

The combat is super fun but the mastery system is pointless. Music is amazing, the art in the castle is amazing as well but the city is mediocre at best. Love the Carmilla and Toymaker parts but I'm dissapointed at Alucard's role in the game and the absence of Simon, the story had a lot of potential but they barely scratched the surface, overall I love Gabriel in this game, probably in my top 3 of favourite Castlevania characters.


Overall, taking into account that Castlevania was a dead corpse before, MS not the most prestigious company with lack of resources, I think they have done a great job, no matter what happen with this game, the franchise is alive thanks to them and for that I'm grateful, plus LoS1 is one of my favourite games of last gen.


Now is up to Konami to chose the right developer to continue the franchise but they must know that some fans can't stand change, they live in the past and they can't accept anything but SoTN clones, good luck with that.


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Post by: derision on March 03, 2014, 05:29:48 AM
I've seen this misunderstanding a lot over the game, but Dracula does not break the Mirror of Fate at the end, what he breaks is the Wolf Crest, which shows he chooses staying there with Alucard over staying in his own world in the Castle with those visions (ghosts?) of Marie and Trevor. You can see the crest glow with the same blue glow that it does every time he gets it out and holds it up.

Then you can just chalk up him saying "Who knows what fate has in store for us" to bad writing and a plot hole.

You're wrong. Even from behind the object's ornate rim is recognizable.

It's the mirror.
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Post by: jormungand on March 03, 2014, 06:35:40 AM
The plot sounds hilariously awful. Did anyone make a compilation of the cutscenes on Youtube yet? I think I have to see this trainwreck in action. Got some popcorn ready.

Enjoy the trainwreck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONvrNOh9EF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONvrNOh9EF4)
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Post by: Intersection on March 03, 2014, 06:41:49 AM
Now this is more personal preference, but the perfect ending to this game would have been something along these lines: Gabriel is ready to use the Vampire Killer on himself, but Inner Dracula doesn't allow it. He takes over Gabriel which ensues in a fight against Victor who gets the Vampire Killer and uses it to fight Dracula. Then, the fight would then flit between that and a mirror'd fight with a dark manifestation of Inner Dracula. So while Dracula fights Victor in real life, Gabriel fights Dracula in his mind. Then, Gabriel beats Dracula, symbolizing the letting go of his hatred and grief, and Victor uses the opportunity to impale Dracula with the Vampire Killer. Big impressive moment with light and blood and screaming and then bam, Gabriel dies and finds himself in the arms of Marie or something like that. That kind of ending would have utilized the themes of the series so much better.
And that is one delicious ending.
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Post by: Viskod on March 03, 2014, 07:08:54 AM
You're wrong. Even from behind the object's ornate rim is recognizable.

It's the mirror.

I am. I watched it again after posting that just to be sure, and you're right, the difference in the ornate borders of the two items is noticeable.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 03, 2014, 08:05:27 AM

Really?,
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My opinion about the game.

In my opinion is a great game, first of all, reviews below 7 are total BS, never had any problem with the stealth parts, a non issue for me and to be honest I have fun with them but I must say that they don't belong to a Castlevania game.

I feel like they dropped the ball with the last 3rd of the game, the story feels rushed, characters underused, the last boss is mediocre, and the ending was OK but not the ending to close the LoS saga, they better have a kickass last boss and ending in the DLC.

The combat is super fun but the mastery system is pointless. Music is amazing, the art in the castle is amazing as well but the city is mediocre at best. Love the Carmilla and Toymaker parts but I'm dissapointed at Alucard's role in the game and the absence of Simon, the story had a lot of potential but they barely scratched the surface, overall I love Gabriel in this game, probably in my top 3 of favourite Castlevania characters.


Overall, taking into account that Castlevania was a dead corpse before, MS not the most prestigious company with lack of resources, I think they have done a great job, no matter what happen with this game, the franchise is alive thanks to them and for that I'm grateful, plus LoS1 is one of my favourite games of last gen.


Now is up to Konami to chose the right developer to continue the franchise but they must know that some fans can't stand change, they live in the past and they can't accept anything but SoTN clones, good luck with that.


No, fuck you. Stop making fans like a fucking hivemind, everyone is entitled to their opinions. If the majority of the fans wants this, who are you to say that they are wrong?

And I wouldn't want no one to herd this monster without identity called Lords of Shadow. It's dead for me, hope it stays this way. And if Castlevania is dead after it, so be it, I prefer it dying that way than having another LoS game.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 03, 2014, 08:07:03 AM
- A new classic/IGA game, and fans won't be pleased.
- A new LoS game, and fans won't be pleased.
- A whole new game, and there's some hope.

Oh, that discussion again.
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Post by: e105beta on March 03, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
Can't we just want a good game? I'm sure I'll find enjoyment in anything that comes my way next.
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 08:35:48 AM
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- A new classic/IGA game,
Don't be so sure, theres a difference between a classic game, and an IGA game.

That said, a sprite based classicvania like Rebirth, despite being fun and cool, probably wouldnt do too well. I dont know how well rebirth sold.

And a large portion of the fabase really is of the "SotN was my first vania and I dont like anything else but metroidvanias" kind.  It can't be denied. They exist. There's also the people who never really liked metroidvanias at all too.

And if Castlevania is dead after it, so be it, I prefer it dying that way than having another LoS game.

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Post by: Maedhros on March 03, 2014, 08:39:56 AM
Can't we just want a good game? I'm sure I'll find enjoyment in anything that comes my way next.
I wouldn't mind another reboot. I gave LoS a chance, and I'll give anything else they give us a chance. But I won't like another LoS automatically. It's that bad (for me).
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 08:42:38 AM
I'm wondering how Konami themselves would handle the LoS world given the chance. For one I might worry about the production values, given the reputation of Konami japan and 3D Castlevania, but i'd also wonder about the story and characters.

Like, what if they stuck Kojima on board? I think he might not do that bad. Well, maybe I'm just curious.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 03, 2014, 08:45:54 AM
There's three shitty games out already, it doesn't matter what they do on a next game, they blew it on the first game for me and finished to kill it on the second. I don't care for a third or a fourth.

If they want to mantain that gameplay but change the setting, I would be ok (given they drop the automatic platforming).
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Post by: Viskod on March 03, 2014, 08:50:09 AM
I am of the super wishful thinking mind that maybe Konami will keep making third person action/adventure Castlevanias for consoles and at the same time keep making 2D Castlevanias for handhelds or being made available as downloads from PSN or XBM.

I would be super pleased if we got a big budget Consolevania every 2 or 3 years and in between each one, a 2D Castlevania.

But Konami isn't Nintendo, and they likely don't have the resources to handle that kind of release schedule for something like Castlevania
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 08:51:18 AM
There's three shitty games out already
That's like, your opinion man.

 I disagree. I can agree on faults, including some grievous ones, but as a whole, im mostly satisfied with the LoS games. Only the supposed ending really makes me upset.

Hey here's a plot inconsistency. The story forgot about this-

Zobek is all like, TRAITORS! IMMA KILL YOU!

meanwhile- Satan is resurrecting somewhere.

So, whatever happened to "only you in possession of your powers can stop Satan"? Did Zobek forget that? What was he gonna do once he killed Gabe? take on Satan and be killed? Hide?

he could have waited for AFTER gabe killed satan to call him a betrayer and try to kill him.
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Post by: derision on March 03, 2014, 09:00:10 AM
No, fuck you. Stop making fans like a fucking hivemind, everyone is entitled to their opinions. If the majority of the fans wants this, who are you to say that they are wrong?

And I wouldn't want no one to herd this monster without identity called Lords of Shadow. It's dead for me, hope it stays this way. And if Castlevania is dead after it, so be it, I prefer it dying that way than having another LoS game.

Talk about a kneejerk reaction. He said "some fans", so you can get to work with unknotting those panties now. Things don't always have to be about you.

It's a crude statement with some truth in it. Browsing various places online, you frequently see people saying "bring back iga", "now iga can come back", or "where's my 99 game". There's a loud voice for a return to a specific kind of castlevania game even though it might not be the best approach. If another Metroidvania landed and it was still reusing Rondo sprites and repeating hallways, I probably wouldn't even bother.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 03, 2014, 09:26:11 AM
My humble opinion is this: The 99 game that IGA owes to the people... and that's it. No more from him. While the games were very good, the story was getting to stupid levels. Besides Castlevania is in Europe, not Japan, leave Japan out from Castlevania. You don't see a whip versus a katana, a Belmont versus a Samurai. Gotta give someone else a chance.

On the other hand, if a LOS3 comes out, in any way or another, we will accept it and maybe even like it. In the end of the day, it's up to Konami to decide if the want to paste the name Castlevania to someone with rifles and shotguns storming a castle to kill a Vampire dictator or something. We are allowed to rant about it.

LOS2 is good, like an IGA game, the gameplay is good, but the story lackluster. But at least it's different to recycling SOTN like IGA did for many many years. It worked, it was good, but new blood was needed.
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Post by: GuyStarwind on March 03, 2014, 09:49:12 AM
My humble opinion is this: The 99 game that IGA owes to the people... and that's it. No more from him. While the games were very good, the story was getting to stupid levels. Besides Castlevania is in Europe, not Japan, leave Japan out from Castlevania. You don't see a whip versus a katana, a Belmont versus a Samurai. Gotta give someone else a chance.

I agree with this. I think Iga's games are fun but some of his ideas are bad or unfinished. For example Hector as a Devil Forge Master. Why don't these guys ever show up again? As for the Japan thing I agree completely. Normally I wouldn't care but in this case I do. I think the events of the sorrow games are fine just leave out the Japanese stuff please.
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Post by: crisis on March 03, 2014, 09:51:41 AM
when mom and dad used to fight they would always tell me "we're just having a discussion honey, go back to bed"   : (
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 09:54:41 AM
I just realized- listening to LoS2's Satan battle theme, at the end, during the reprise of Final Confrontation, they are chanting "Castlevania"

Listen to 5:20

Satan (Grand Battle) - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 OST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QBADjkCgiM#ws)

And that made my day. That makes the track 10x better.

I really wish I knew what they were chanting in other tracks of LoS1 and 2!
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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 09:58:26 AM
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WUT

NO SIMON? No one new? REALLY?

So I wasn't being rused...? ;__;
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 10:00:11 AM
WUT

NO SIMON? No one new? REALLY?

So I wasn't being rused...? ;__;
It's not even Adult Trevor- it's the young child trevor.
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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 10:04:57 AM
WHHHHHYYYYYYY

I'M SO DISAPPOINTED RIGHT NOW

They had 1000 years of history to work with that they could have told us about at least 2 or 3 other Belmonts and they don't even bother?

Man the Belmont clan got jobbed in this canon hard. Damn you Enric.
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 10:09:08 AM
WHHHHHYYYYYYY

I'M SO DISAPPOINTED RIGHT NOW

They had 1000 years of history to work with that they could have told us about at least 2 or 3 other Belmonts and they don't even bother?

Man the Belmont clan got jobbed in this canon hard. Damn you Enric.
That was going to be the case form the start. they wanted to make a trilogy.

'Sides, they remade the best Belmonts, Trevor and Simon. And their designs were actually pretty in line with their previous designs.

Trevor was barely changed at all.

Either way, Konami owns loS, so if they want to, they can milk games taking place between MoF and LoS2's prologue. There's quite an expanse of time there if im not mistaken. And Dracul says to Victor when he mentions he's immortal, 'Something you belmonts dont seem to understand" implying he fought more down the line.

There's also the possibility of non-Dracula centered shit after Alucard plays his gambit with daddy.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 03, 2014, 10:14:07 AM
Really? I liked it. Didn't look like he could bend over, but it looked cool. Reminded me of something I may have seen in a history book, regarding ancient armors, kind of like how samurai faceplates had demon mouths on them.
Looks very Asian-inspired. It's one of the reasons I feel MS's artists are not strictly inspired by Western art, but Eastern as well. You see that a lot, nowadays, though, which is good. Eastern artists inspired by the West, and Western artists inspired by the East. The result is usually something really imaginative and breath-taking.

Now is up to Konami to chose the right developer to continue the franchise but they must know that some fans can't stand change, they live in the past and they can't accept anything but SoTN clones, good luck with that.
Fear of change is not restricted to older fans. I've seen a few posts HERE(in this thread) where folks would wholely accept the LoS-style as the standard, even after LoS. Even the continuation of LoS, from here on out, brushing aside any other possible ventures and ideas simply because they don't want future CV's that aren't in the style of LoS. That's ripe with the fear of change. Change does not take sides, nor benefits modern appeal over that of older appeal. Change strikes no alliance, and just rolls within it's own accord. Just because you were able to find the recent turn appealing doesn't mean you'll find future turns to be in your favor. Change doesn't bend to YOU, you bend to IT!

- A new classic/IGA game, and fans won't be pleased.
- A new LoS game, and fans won't be pleased.
- A whole new game, and there's some hope.

Oh, that discussion again.
Hope this is the case. While I wouldn't mind a return to the classic canon(if only for games made detailing the major events like the Demon Castle War), I would love something new most of all. No classic, no LoS, just NEW(that, who knows, might take some inspiration from BOTH classic and LoS).
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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 10:27:35 AM
Either way, Konami owns loS, so if they want to, they can milk games taking place between MoF and LoS2's prologue. There's quite an expanse of time there if im not mistaken. And Dracul says to Victor when he mentions he's immortal, 'Something you belmonts dont seem to understand" implying he fought more down the line.
I don't get how that's going to work if Dracula was asleep for 1000 years.

Honestly, after Victor's death I don't even want any new games with Belmonts in the LoS series. We know how the clan ends and it's disappointing as hell.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 03, 2014, 10:46:39 AM
I think it's also worth adding that the Dracula-Alucard gambit is the most convoluted plan ever.
It was the best part of the story.

I've been thinking something about Zobek's /death/.

In LoS1, Zobek's corpse dissapeared, but when it didn't the instant it was burned, it just was after the battle, so perhaps Zobek didn't really die in LoS1, just got burned, injured and ran into hiding as the rat he is.
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Post by: crisis on March 03, 2014, 10:50:39 AM
hOw about we all just stop playen cv games altogether so we will no longer be disappoint & butthurt

lets change this to the Kirby Superstar Dungeon and no more bickering and harmful insults will occur forever dont like it? oh you have an outer belly button instead of normal inner? too bad, find somewhere else to post
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 03, 2014, 10:59:52 AM
hOw about we all just stop playen cv games altogether so we will no longer be disappoint & butthurt

lets change this to the Kirby Superstar Dungeon and no more bickering and harmful insults will occur forever dont like it? oh you have an outer belly button instead of normal inner? too bad, find somewhere else to post
I agree. I will fanboy Hatsune Miku from now on.
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Post by: e105beta on March 03, 2014, 11:07:48 AM
It was the best part of the story.

I liked it, but when I think about how much of a long shot it really was, it loses a little impact.

I mean, having Alucard be the ultimate mastermind was awesome, and emphasizing the fact that Dracula is so powerful it takes hundreds of years for his enemies to feel safe again was great, but they were missing one question: "But I killed Satan before, and he did not die then. What difference does it make now?" and then they need an answer to that question, and I'm sorry, "lol VK" doesn't really cut it, because Gabriel used the VK while God-roided to fight Satan last time and it didn't finish him off.

I mean, the easiest answer would be for Gabriel to go down to Hell and finish the job, so I don't know why they did that.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 03, 2014, 11:12:17 AM
I don't get how that's going to work if Dracula was asleep for 1000 years.

I'm not sure why I care about LoS lore, but wasn't he asleep for 500 years? The castle siege takes place 500 years after LoS1 according to the wiki. That time period would seem ideal for Konami to milk with 2-3 games.

But I don't even want to talk about this. I just want something different, preferably something new.     
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Post by: GigaDan on March 03, 2014, 11:28:16 AM
I'm not sure why I care about LoS lore, but wasn't he asleep for 500 years? The castle siege takes place 500 years after LoS1 according to the wiki.
The game didn't make note of it. I'm just stupefied that this game is worse than Mirror of Fate. They beat out wolf-doors with crazy mind-castles, inconsistent art quality, and stealth segments. Also it's about 3 hours longer of misery.

I did an all-day stream on twitch. That part of the experience made it more enjoyable. Had some CV fans stop by to see how this game was.
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Post by: JayDominus on March 03, 2014, 11:35:34 AM
I just realized- listening to LoS2's Satan battle theme, at the end, during the reprise of Final Confrontation, they are chanting "Castlevania"

Listen to 5:20

Satan (Grand Battle) - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 OST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QBADjkCgiM#ws)

And that made my day. That makes the track 10x better.

I really wish I knew what they were chanting in other tracks of LoS1 and 2!
This is f[bleep!]king awesome. I don't care if people say Oscar is too forgettable or Hollywoody, the guy has passion for his job.
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Post by: jormungand on March 03, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
Finally, after a week of release, Konami put together his media praise for the game.
Kinda funny now for those who have already played it.

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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 12:08:27 PM
Quote
"Oscar Araujo does it again with first class orchestral themes."

Because the soundtrack is an imperative part of the gameplay, right? :rollseyes:
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 03, 2014, 12:10:30 PM
I just realized- listening to LoS2's Satan battle theme, at the end, during the reprise of Final Confrontation, they are chanting "Castlevania"
That's funny, because this chant was already used in the very first LoS1 trailer (after Gabriel asks about the mask). I catched the chant in LoS2 as soon as they released the concert version of "Satan", and that's a nice addition.


Because the soundtrack is an imperative part of the gameplay, right? :rollseyes:
Uh, who said it was gameplay-only on that picture?  :rollseyes:
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Post by: JayDominus on March 03, 2014, 12:14:03 PM
Because the soundtrack is an imperative part of the gameplay, right? :rollseyes:
Considering how it's Castlevania we're talking about...
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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 12:14:40 PM
Uh, who said it was gameplay-only on that picture?  :rollseyes:
When you're trying to advertise a good image for a video game you would normally focus on the gameplay, not the icing on top. Makes it look like a critic's review for a film.

I just found it silly. nbd honestly
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 12:19:18 PM
When you're trying to advertise a good image for a video game you would normally focus on the gameplay, not the icing on top. Makes it look like a critic's review for a film.

I just found it silly. nbd honestly
Not really.

Soundtrack is every bit as important as the gameplay.

4 big things:

1. Gameplay
2. Presentation/visuals
3. Music
4. Story

(not necessarily in that order)

If a game is amazing but has shit music, it  affects the overall experience.

speaking of music, i really wouldn't mind if Oscar Aurujo came back for future CV titles. You can tell he enjoys what he does, and had fun making the music for LoS2. it just screams "passion".
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Post by: JayDominus on March 03, 2014, 12:20:51 PM
Not really.

Soundtrack is every bit as important as the gameplay.

4 big things:

1. Gameplay
2. Presentation/visuals
3. Music
4. Story

(not necessarily in that order)

If a game is amazing but has shit music, it  affects the overall experience.

speaking of music, i really wouldn't mind if Oscar Aurujo came back for future CV titles. You can tell he enjoys what he does, and had fun making the music for LoS2. it just screams "passion".
Gimme a high-five! I wholeheartedly agree on Oscar coming back for future games.
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Post by: e105beta on March 03, 2014, 12:21:33 PM
Because the soundtrack is an imperative part of the gameplay, right? :rollseyes:

Considering the number of times I've heard how music is one of someone's most important reasons for playing Castlevania, I'd say it is.
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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 12:22:35 PM
Not really.

Soundtrack is every bit as important as the gameplay.
When it comes to Castlevania it's like a "no shit it has good music" sort of thing. When I pick up a game that says "Castlevania" it better have good music. It's like saying "the gold coins in Mario are as gold as ever!"
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Post by: Intersection on March 03, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
So our good friend Alvarez has been interviewed by Eurogamer Spain. He speaks about the LoS2's development, tries to make sense out of its story, and says a few things about MS's future. And then there's his reaction to LoS2's reviews, which you can find if you scroll down a bit.

http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/entrevista-enric-alvarez-esto-que-ha-pasado-con-castlevania-es-totalmente-injusto (http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/entrevista-enric-alvarez-esto-que-ha-pasado-con-castlevania-es-totalmente-injusto)

This one's particularly... interesting:

Quote
Puedes decir, 'a mi me me gusta mucho el rock pero no soporto la ópera', esto es una opinión, no un análisis. Si tuviera que hacer un análisis de "Don Giovanni" no sabría ni por donde empezar y este ejercicio de honestidad falta en la prensa de videojuegos. Hay mucha gente que analiza videojuegos y no está a la altura del videojuego que analiza.

Rock and opera? Don Giovanni? That man must really be desperate.
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Post by: JayDominus on March 03, 2014, 12:42:17 PM
Ummm... In English please?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 03, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
speaking of music, i really wouldn't mind if Oscar Aurujo came back for future CV titles. You can tell he enjoys what he does, and had fun making the music for LoS2. it just screams "passion".
As long as he injects more variety into his music, I wouldn't have a problem. That, or like some past games, feature a couple of different composers per installment. While I don't care for his music, his music works well for cut-scenes, particularly dramatic scenes. I wouldn't mind if he was given the main duties of scoring for THAT, while someone else could inject some of that classic Castlevania sound during the gameplay sections. I actually think BOTH could work together.
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 12:52:50 PM
As long as he injects more variety into his music, I wouldn't have a problem. That, or like some past games, feature a couple of different composers per installment. While I don't care for his music, his music works well for cut-scenes, particularly dramatic scenes. I wouldn't mind if he was given the main duties of scoring for THAT, while someone else could inject some of that classic Castlevania sound during the gameplay sections. I actually think BOTH could work together.

I felt Lords 2's music was plenty varied.

What i notice though, and he did this in loS1 also, is in all or most of  the tracks, he tries to fit in the main theme of the game as the underscore or background. Which is probably why a lot of tracks in loS1 felt so samey
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Post by: Intersection on March 03, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
Ummm... In English please?
Spanish isn't exactly my most proficient language, so I'm not about to translate the article. But you can take a look at this if you like. It doesn't transcribe the full interview, which is why I didn't post it.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/03/03/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-studio-boss-one-must-be-blind-or-stupid-to-give-it-a-410/ (http://www.vg247.com/2014/03/03/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-studio-boss-one-must-be-blind-or-stupid-to-give-it-a-410/)
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Post by: derision on March 03, 2014, 01:02:45 PM
When it comes to Castlevania it's like a "no shit it has good music" sort of thing. When I pick up a game that says "Castlevania" it better have good music. It's like saying "the gold coins in Mario are as gold as ever!"

I'm just gonna go straight to the point and say, "what the hell are you talking about?"

Favorable quotes about graphics, music, pretty much anything about a game have been plastered on promo stuff and even boxes for decades.

Arajuo gained notoriety and awards for his LoS work and it's a legit selling point. People typically like good music in their games.

This is the definition of a non-issue.
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Post by: uzo on March 03, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
To quote the above article:

Quote from: Enric Alvarez
“I agree that, in the end, it’s an opinion, and an opinion is totally respectable, but let’s not confuse an opinion and a review. The review is about the object and the opinion is about the subject. You can say “I do really rock but I hate opera”, and this is an opinion, not a review. If I had to review “Don Giovanni” I wouldn’t even know how to start, and this honestly is something the gaming press lacks. A lot of people who review games do not live up to the game they’re reviewing.

Really dude? Really? Just keep digging yourself a grave with that ego.
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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
This is the definition of a non-issue.
I already said it wasn't a big deal man :V
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 03, 2014, 01:06:31 PM
I felt Lords 2's music was plenty varied.

What i notice though, and he did this in loS1 also, is in all or most of  the tracks, he tries to fit in the main theme of the game as the underscore or background. Which is probably why a lot of tracks in loS1 felt so samey
Not varied enough, IMO. The most varied in LoS2 was the use of electronic music.

While I don't mind if composers use motifs in their scores, the overuse, IMO, which sometimes happens does not good. I think that's the downside with having a movie-like video game. Where as in movies, you CAN get away with something of the such, because movies aren't typically long. In video games, however, you spend a longer time emersed in the world, so the typical movie composer route just won't cut it most of the time. I'm not saying you can't have movie-like music, but in games, give us something MORE than just THAT.

Of course, wonder how much of Oscar's creativity was stilted by Konami. From the whole comment about typical CV music being "feminie"(which is bullshit), it seemed like he wanted to do something similar but was encouraged to do something different.

Also, it might be just me, but I wouldn't mind hearing a little more church organ or harpsicord in his pieces. Maybe even a little more nods to classic composers like Bach(which CV, in general, is known to do).
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Post by: e105beta on March 03, 2014, 01:10:50 PM
I felt Lords 2's music was plenty varied.

What i notice though, and he did this in loS1 also, is in all or most of  the tracks, he tries to fit in the main theme of the game as the underscore or background. Which is probably why a lot of tracks in loS1 felt so samey

Some people may not like it, but I've always liked it when a composer can integrate their main theme into a lot of the soundtrack. It's why I like the FFIX soundtrack so much.
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Post by: derision on March 03, 2014, 01:18:54 PM
I already said it wasn't a big deal man :V

You also said it was silly and defended your stance for several posts, even though the only thing that was "silly" was the fact that this was an actual concern to begin with.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 03, 2014, 01:22:38 PM
Some people may not like it, but I've always liked it when a composer can integrate their main theme into a lot of the soundtrack. It's why I like the FFIX soundtrack so much.
The thing about FFIX's soundtrack is, there are a LOT of songs on that OST(at lot of music in FFIX). Even without all the arrangements of key songs and melodies, you have a lot of original music of wide variety(Uematsu does variety good, as he's able to go rock, pop, jazz, old medieval-sounding, among others). Though the FF series, in general, even without Uematsu, has high variety. Hamauzu kept that up, and I'm sure Shimomura will continue that with FFXV. 
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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 01:25:35 PM
You also said it was silly and defended your stance for several posts, even though the only thing that was "silly" was the fact that this was an actual concern to begin with.
Or I was just replying back to people?
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Post by: e105beta on March 03, 2014, 01:29:52 PM
The thing about FFIX's soundtrack is, there are a LOT of songs on that OST(at lot of music in FFIX). Even without all the arrangements of key songs and melodies, you have a lot of original music of wide variety(Uematsu does variety good, as he's able to go rock, pop, jazz, old medieval-sounding, among others). Though the FF series, in general, even without Uematsu, has high variety. Hamauzu kept that up, and I'm sure Shimomura will continue that with FFXV.

Sure, but the best moments were where they brought back the main theme.
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 01:48:43 PM
I cant wait for the OST, theres one or two tracks that I just cant find on youtube, particularly the one that Seems to play mostly while in overlook tower. There's barely any music to it and is like a singing kinda deal.

Might just record it off the game :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on March 03, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: Flame
I cant wait for the OST, theres one or two tracks that I just cant find on youtube, particularly the one that Seems to play mostly while in overlook tower. There's barely any music to it and is like a singing kinda deal.

Might just record it off the game :P

personally i think its stupid how the next d-Arts is gonna be yet another zero, agree?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 03, 2014, 02:07:31 PM
Sure, but the best moments were where they brought back the main theme.
They were mainly parts the revolved around Zidane and Garnet's particular stories. The three main motifs focused on Zidane's memories("The Place I'll Return to Someday") , Garnet("Melodies of Life", which acts as the game's main theme as well) and Kuja("Kuja's Theme"). Lesser themes were arranged, but not to the point of being overused. Beatrix's Theme(Rose of May) was arranged for "Protecting My Devotion", and Freya's Theme was arranged for "Burmecia". Though, even with the arrangements, there's still great variety in style within the soundtrack. The unique reinterpretations of other songs keep the arrangements from becoming stale.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on March 03, 2014, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: DragonSlayr81
They were mainly parts the revolved around Zidane and Garnet's particular stories. The three main motifs focused on Zidane's memories("The Place I'll Return to Someday") , Garnet("Melodies of Life", which acts as the game's main theme as well) and Kuja("Kuja's Theme"). Lesser themes were arranged, but not to the point of being overused. Beatrix's Theme(Rose of May) was arranged for "Protecting My Devotion", and Freya's Theme was arranged for "Burmecia". Though, even with the arrangements, there's still great variety in style within the soundtrack. The unique reinterpretations of other songs keep the arrangements from becoming stale.

so how long have u been using the "DragonSlayr81" handle? since the aol days i bet o.o;
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 02:28:38 PM
personally i think its stupid how the next d-Arts is gonna be yet another zero, agree?
A bit
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 03, 2014, 04:09:52 PM
Not really.

Soundtrack is every bit as important as the gameplay.

4 big things:

1. Gameplay
2. Presentation/visuals
3. Music
4. Story

(not necessarily in that order)

If a game is amazing but has shit music, it  affects the overall experience.

speaking of music, i really wouldn't mind if Oscar Aurujo came back for future CV titles. You can tell he enjoys what he does, and had fun making the music for LoS2. it just screams "passion".
It's like you love to kill the franchise that I love(d)... why the hell would I want Oscar Araujo when what he delivers is worse than anything I've heard on this series before?

NO, please, just like LoS should be dead, Oscar should be doing his music for other games, but Castlevania.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 03, 2014, 04:13:01 PM
Well, as for the LoS 2 music... Yes, I liked more than the first one. I liked too the reuse of the main theme. As being said, the music is not bad, but I really miss that CV music, and I am not talking of remixes of old themes, I want more pipe organ, piano, violin, toccatas... CV music can be classic-orchasted music, like the Castlevania New Classic soundtrack, released some time ago.

LoS 2 music is an improvement on the first one, and if Araujo continue in the same way, giving more Castlevania-like music, then welcome (VK musicbox was great, but not enough for me) If he enjoys what he do, the he can focus that feel in a more accurate soundtrack...

PD A week ago the main theme here were the inminent lauch of LoS 2. I never imagined that after a week, I read such comments regarding the game (plot, ending, gameplay, reviews...) and the apparent staff member POV of the development. Talk about a "plot twist" here in the forum...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 03, 2014, 04:15:29 PM
LoS 2 music varied? Hell, no.

You know what is varied? Having opera, orchestral, eletronic, blues and prog rock as inspirations in one game. Sorry, that's what this series music sounded like in the past.

Oscar approach is different from everything that Castlevania sounded in the past, just like the game. It's a total reboot.

Hell, there almost 5 variations of Dracula's Theme on the game and variation's of Belmont Theme too... varied is not the word you use to call LoS OST, at all.

I'll repeat that it's the only CV that sounded so bad to me in all these years... well, better than Harmony of Dissonance (which still have some awesome compositions there hindered by the low quality instruments of the GBA) and Order of Shadows.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 04:41:44 PM
It's like you love to kill the franchise that I love(d)... why the hell would I want Oscar Araujo when what he delivers is worse than anything I've heard on this series before?

NO, please, just like LoS should be dead, Oscar should be doing his music for other games, but Castlevania.

WAH WAH YOU WANT TO KILL THE FRANCHISE!

No, I just have different opinions and different taste, deal with it.

Also,

I DONT LIKE THING!

That's fine, but it's your opinion.

You need to stop making such violent kneejerk reactions to anything people say they like about LoS. It comes off as ridiculously immature.

You didnt like it. we get it.

Some of us did like it.

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Having opera, orchestral, eletronic, blues and prog rock as inspirations in one game. Sorry, that's what this series music sounded like in the past.
Only SotN had that kind of musical variety. The rest of the Metroidvanias stick very closely to Baroque/neoclassical or gothic more organ inspired tracks, when it isnt just a remix of an older track. They don't have the same level of variety, and follow one theme of music. This is no different from LoS following a more bombastic orchestral theme.

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Oscar approach is different from everything that Castlevania sounded in the past, just like the game. It's a total reboot.
And I liked some of it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 03, 2014, 05:01:05 PM
Complaining about a complain doesn't head anywhere.

And we know you love it, so you too, shouldn't care when I complain about something. I'll continue to complain as long as my interest on this franchise and this forum continues, so deal with it.

And every soundtrack in Castlevania always had lots of variation in then, I dunno what the hell you're talking about.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 05:10:35 PM
Complaining about a complain doesn't head anywhere.

And we know you love it, so you too, shouldn't care when I complain about something. I'll continue to complain as long as my interest on this franchise and this forum continues, so deal with it.

Says the one that complained that I enjoy killing the franchise. That's not complaining either. It's baseless whining and mud slinging over opinions.

Also of course i care if you complain. if i disagree with what you are saying, I'll respond to your complaint. that's the way this works. Someone complains, someone else responds to the complaint. Deal with that
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 03, 2014, 05:24:26 PM
Man, you took that seriously? It was a joke... sigh.

And I'm the immature one here...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Darkson on March 03, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
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logan2122

Sure, on first impression right after beating the game I felt let down too, but while reflecting during the credits it didn't take long for me to realize what this entire game was about and what it was trying to say.

The game's final moments are huge letdowns and extremely anti-climatic compared to previous boss encounters and how Satan was built up. Without God's magic powers (the first game) only a fully powered Dracula was said to have what it takes to even take Satan on. The Vampire Killer combat cross was never mentioned to be a Satan killer as well, that just makes no sense and was totally the devs just winging it cus they couldn't get their proper Satan boss fight done. After the fight with Alucard I was totally expecting a balls out boss fight between a fully powered Dracula and fully powered Satan, something akin to us the players controlling the Dragon in a huge mega boss fight against whatever super form Satan can concoct. The battle would've been hovering just above Castlevania City and you could get a bird's eye view of the city. So you can say the ending was anti-climatic. What you cannot say however, was that the story was bad and/or had no closure. And here's why.

The entire game was a Father-Son tale a thousand years in the making (remember that tagline in the E3 trailer? It was actually true within the context of the game's story). More than anything, his son's presence was seen and felt the most throughout all the game and especially during his internal memories/conflicts. Little Trevor, the white wolf, Alucard, etc. The story/message/theme of the first game was how far one would go for a wife/woman they love. For the second game they amped it up to show how strong a Father's love can be. These fantasy stories parallel the real world, I've seen this happen to countless dudes. At first its all about the girlfriend/wife but then once the son/daughter is born BAM its all about them, and rightfully so. It is the natural order of things in the hearts of men, as Dracula would put it. That's why their can't really be a sequel to this, because no love goes beyond the love of a father/mother to their son/daughter. That's kind of the peak of it, thematically. Alucard, being the father that he was knew all this, and devised his entire elaborate plan around the fact that Dracula's inner Gabriel would prevail over his inner Dracula due to his unbreakable bond/love towards him ("Only my father, Gabriel Belmont, can destroy Dracula").

When Mirror of Fate came out, I kept saying that Alucard/Simon didn't defeat him, he just let them kill him. One because he wants to die but two, and more importantly, there's just no way a Father can kill his own son or any descendant of his, even for Dracula. If you pay attention during the Dracula boss fights you see that Dracula only ever uses his blood whip and barely ever tries to actually fight, where as in his fight with Trevor, when he didn't know it was his son, he kind of went all out with his powers and actually tried. This too was something that just went way over everyone's head at the time, and I couldn't believe it.

So going back to LOS2, the story of the game and the arc of Dracula's character is him going from his despair and loneliness for Marie to him realizing and accepting he already has something better right here, in his son. It makes sense that Dracula doesn't want to kill himself anymore by the end of this game. That was kind of the whole point to the story. It had more then perfect closure. Who knows what Dracula/Alucard may decide to do. They may decide to kill themselves and join Marie or they may decide to stick around and protect humanity together through any future trials humanity may face. There's no more Despair there, Dracula has the best thing any Father could ever ask for, his own son. Everyone who played this game must've never known a father in their life lol. And Dracula will basically always be Gabriel with super powers, keeping his inner Dracula at bay due to his bond/love for Alucard.

I just came across this on gamefaqs and I have to say, it does help the story some what. It still doesn't help how victor was misused, but it does remove some of the sting of the ending. Still wish lucifer was the final boss, but meh.

What do you all think? Mindless justification of a purchase or something legit that makes you think?
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Post by: e105beta on March 03, 2014, 06:49:56 PM
I just came across this on gamefaqs and I have to say, it does help the story some what. It still doesn't help how victor was misused, but it does remove some of the sting of the ending. Still wish lucifer was the final boss, but meh.

What do you all think? Mindless justification of a purchase or something legit that makes you think?

While there are some legitimate points in there, Logan2122 will go to the ends of the earth to justify every little thing in this game.
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Post by: Darkson on March 03, 2014, 07:00:01 PM
True, I have seen him doing so before. Though, it is fair to take into consideration the points which have some value and mold them with the other points available in order to construct a solid viewpoint. I don't mean to sound like I am flip flopping, I just try to remain open minded. Right now, personally, the entire series is each rated 8.5 for me. Just like ecclesia and symphony.
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 07:08:46 PM
What do you all think? Mindless justification of a purchase or something legit that makes you think?
Little bit of both.
I can see what he means, and I can see it in the game- ("Come closer, Son... I wish to embrace you.") but the game's ending, and the events leading to it from the moment you fight Zobek was so poorly written, that it does not come across that way. It should have been more obvious, considering this was supposed to be a grand finale. the ending was very lackluster for that.

If they wanted to play it like that, they should have made it far more clear. they also drew far too much attention to the Combat cross as this super powerful weapon that can kill him, give him release- and somehow it can kill Satan? And somehow Dracul can kill Zobek with just his sword, when Satan burned him to a crisp the last game to no effect? his bio itself states that after his fate at Satan's hands, he was trapped in his realm for a while, until he decided to enter the world under the guise of a businessman. So obviously he is not dead, and neither is Satan, considering Gabriel killed him too in LoS, burning him to a crisp with holy light. When Satan dies he just goes back to hell. there's no reason VK should kill him. He also just LEAVES the VK there in his body. The weapon that can kill him- he leaves for someone to find, after deciding to live on with his son?

I can accept that as an ending, but it's presentation and the writing leading up to it were so bad that it doesnt matter. it barely offers any insight into what was up until then, a battle over redemption and release. Doesnt quite give them quite a life plan either. Will they just... live in the cathedral..? quite a shitty life... Will Humanity recover after the events of the game? Did Victor even give the antidote to anyone or did he doom Humanity by dying while carrying it out to his trap like a retard? If Humanity recovers, will Dracul and Alucard try to blend in like Zobek did? (Good luck making Alucard Blend in with grey skin and black eyes) Will they then just feed off of random people? Alucard obviously doesnt have the mind to drink Human blood, which is why he looks how he does. because he never drinks blood unless it's from some Monster he's fighting. Dracul meanwhile has no such reservations. Would Alucard Allow him to just murder Humans for blood? I doubt he would stop drinking blood, despite being all good with his son, he's still the same Dracula from the start of the game, he's still "The Dragon", after all. Or what, would they become vigilantes? draining criminals instead of innocent people?

I can go on. You see where the problem with the ending, no matter what it may or may not be trying to convey is right? It offers no closure. It offers absolutely no resolution to the conflicts other than Satan.

Even Darksiders 2 established that humanity would be resurrected because of Death's actions in the game, and that once War breaks the last seal in Darksiders, despite 2 having an underwhelming ending, at least resolved the main plot of the two games- proving War's innocence, and fixing what was wronged- the destruction of Humanity.


LoS2? Sure, Dracul kills the main Antagonists responsible for his state of being, (without justifiable reason to even suspect them dead mind you) but the issue of Humanity and the antidote to the demon plague is not resolved, and what Dracul wants after all is said and done, is not clearly resolved, and seems to have changed somewhere along the line without telling the audience.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 03, 2014, 08:03:05 PM
I stand by my theory that Zobek didn't die in LoS as his body wasn't found. He was just badly injured and flee the scene. he's dead dead now.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 03, 2014, 08:36:33 PM
I stand by my theory that Zobek didn't die in LoS as his body wasn't found. He was just badly injured and flee the scene. he's dead dead now.
It's possible, though the recap implies that all 3 Lords were defeated, even if Gabe didnt kill Zobek himself.

Consider: Satan basically used him as a portal. he literally came out of Zobek's flaming body
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Post by: Dremn on March 03, 2014, 08:38:54 PM
Kinda sorta relevant but Konami has a new President now.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/04/konami-digital-entertainment-names-its-new-president (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/04/konami-digital-entertainment-names-its-new-president)

I wonder if anything will change for the company now.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 03, 2014, 09:13:42 PM
Kinda sorta relevant but Konami has a new President now.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/04/konami-digital-entertainment-names-its-new-president (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/04/konami-digital-entertainment-names-its-new-president)

I wonder if anything will change for the company now.

After EA, Square Enix and Microsoft got new presidents, im expecting things to not get any better at Konami.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on March 04, 2014, 12:41:43 AM
To be honest you guys and this may be heresy but I been thinking that Zobek battle may be tad overrated. Yeah the boss design is amazing and its awesome there is a death battle in game but the battle was bit disappointing. When I think of death boss battle I think of being in constant motion. In this battle I just roll bit pound on death while he blocks and then he does "LET THE BANQUET COMMENCE SEQUENCE" this battle should been way more epic and Zobek should have had more attack patterns and more sequence. I felt battle was easy and over too quickly. I think Alucard, Victor and Second Acolyte while not as badass as Zobek battle were better boss battles overall.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 04, 2014, 12:55:56 AM
Victor was one of the best boss battles in the game. You really got the classic and LoS Belmont vibes at the same time.
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Post by: KaZudra on March 04, 2014, 05:37:42 AM
LoS2 will soon be acclaimed as a great game with a few bad parts and weak ending.... much like LoS1 (minus the ending part, which was one of LoS1's strong points)

LoS2 Channels SoTN and AoS much like how LoS1 channeled SCv4 and LoI
Victor is too much alike to Julius, too bad MS didn't apply Victor as an actual character
Alucard plays a similar Role in LOS2 and in both SoTN and AoS
there are a ton of homages to both games in Story and Gameplay, and even music.
in other aspects, the war with the humans and demons bear strong resemblance to a certain war in AoS.

does anyone else feel like that?
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Post by: Kamirine on March 04, 2014, 07:41:04 AM
To be honest you guys and this may be heresy but I been thinking that Zobek battle may be tad overrated. Yeah the boss design is amazing and its awesome there is a death battle in game but the battle was bit disappointing. When I think of death boss battle I think of being in constant motion. In this battle I just roll bit pound on death while he blocks and then he does "LET THE BANQUET COMMENCE SEQUENCE" this battle should been way more epic and Zobek should have had more attack patterns and more sequence. I felt battle was easy and over too quickly. I think Alucard, Victor and Second Acolyte while not as badass as Zobek battle were better boss battles overall.

I can understand the sentiment to be honest.  As the actual fight itself goes, it reminds me of boss battles out of the Batman Arkham games.  I guess my like of it comes from the same reason I like the CVIV final boss with Dracula.

There may not be much to the fight itself, but it's the build up that makes it so great.  For Zobek, it was simply his character: as I said before, he was more of a final boss for me just because of his relationship with Gabe. All the crap he puts Gabe through and when you finally get to kill him, it's a great feeling.  Gabe stabs him through, I spike my controller and roar at the screen.  He was the boss I actually gave a crap about defeating.  Dunno if that's what MS was going for, but that's what I took from it.

Same with IV: creepy music starts, the candles light up as you walk past, that infamous staircase.  Then finally, as you keep beating Drac's butt, Simon's theme starts playing.  I loved it.

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Post by: Flame on March 04, 2014, 07:48:53 AM
To be honest you guys and this may be heresy but I been thinking that Zobek battle may be tad overrated. Yeah the boss design is amazing and its awesome there is a death battle in game but the battle was bit disappointing. When I think of death boss battle I think of being in constant motion. In this battle I just roll bit pound on death while he blocks and then he does "LET THE BANQUET COMMENCE SEQUENCE" this battle should been way more epic and Zobek should have had more attack patterns and more sequence. I felt battle was easy and over too quickly. I think Alucard, Victor and Second Acolyte while not as badass as Zobek battle were better boss battles overall.
well it was disappointingly easy. but it was enjoyable. if it was fun, had great presentation and music, and an awesome design for death, and glorious Patrick Stewart quotes- if it was overall fun despite its low difficulty, then is it really overrated?

Darksiders 2's battle against War was the first boss, iirc, and yet was still the highlight of the whole game due to presentation and all that.
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Post by: Dremn on March 04, 2014, 08:39:21 AM
To be honest you guys and this may be heresy but I been thinking that Zobek battle may be tad overrated.
A lot of the hype has to do with the fact we all wanted this to be in LoS1. When he knew Zobek was infact the LoS Death, I expected to see him brandish a giant scythe and fight Gabriel at the end. Finally seeing it realized is exciting, and while it may not have lived up to the insane hype it's still cool to see it actually happen. Just another one of the many instances due to LoS being hyped up during it's marketing to being something it ended up not being at all.
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Post by: crisis on March 04, 2014, 09:10:09 AM
but the general consensus at the time was that los1 wasnt "castlevania enough".. now that los2 is out people are saying it shoulda been more like los1? wtf?

its just people flip-flopping on their opinions, like you said
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 04, 2014, 09:24:30 AM
Also you guys lol I just remembered something.
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Post by: Dremn on March 04, 2014, 09:27:35 AM
but the general consensus at the time was that los1 wasnt "castlevania enough".. now that los2 is out people are saying it shoulda been more like los1? wtf?

its just people flip-flopping on their opinions, like you said
LoS2 looks way more Castlevania than LoS1 did, and all around it looks like it plays better too, sans the stealth. I guess LoS got a bigger, more vocal fanbase over the years. Releasing it on Steam probably helped A LOT.
Also you guys lol I just remembered something.
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Victor's death really doesn't make any sense. Besides having a fragment of the Mirror of Fate his inclusion was really pointless, he's a wasted opportunity that could have been one of the better characters in the LoS series.
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Post by: Kamirine on March 04, 2014, 09:38:18 AM
but the general consensus at the time was that los1 wasnt "castlevania enough".. now that los2 is out people are saying it shoulda been more like los1? wtf?

its just people flip-flopping on their opinions, like you said

People who liked LoS for what it was, don't like that LoS 2 catered more I guess (I tried to) older fans instead if being/staying true to itself.  Or something. 

Meh, we'll go with flip-flopping.
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Post by: e105beta on March 04, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
but the general consensus at the time was that los1 wasnt "castlevania enough".. now that los2 is out people are saying it shoulda been more like los1? wtf?

its just people flip-flopping on their opinions, like you said

When people say this, I'm pretty sure they aren't talking about the "Castlevanianess" of it, which really just boils down to "gothic castle scenery". Everyone loves the castle sections in LoS2. I think what people mean is that they wanted:
A. More majesty of environment, unlike LoS2's city.
B. A better sense of journey and adventure
C. Better storytelling

Also you guys lol I just remembered something.
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Claudia's death actually served a significant purpose. Zobek mind controlled Gabriel into killing her so that the Black Knight would turn against him, forcing Gabriel to fight him and take the hell gauntlet from him which he would not have done normally. Themeatically, it also added another kill to Gabriel's list and one more way Zobek dicked him over.

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Post by: Trevorcard on March 04, 2014, 10:38:33 AM
I agree with you on claudia but my point was to show Mr. Alvarez is a hack who uses the same story scenario only this time it sucks.
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Post by: crisis on March 04, 2014, 11:11:28 AM
i just think had they done that, brought back Zobek narrations, the "storybook" style, moar journeying, etc. then people still woulda complained how its too close to los1 in style rather than "doing its own thing." am i wrong?


even if/when they give the fans what we want, we'll still complain about it. its a never-ending cycle. look at watchmen; without a doubt the most faithful comic book movie film ever made (that and Sin City), but fans complained because it was only 99% accurate instead of 100%
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Post by: Maedhros on March 04, 2014, 11:31:19 AM
LoS2 will soon be acclaimed as a great game with a few bad parts and weak ending.... much like LoS1 (minus the ending part, which was one of LoS1's strong points)

LoS2 Channels SoTN and AoS much like how LoS1 channeled SCv4 and LoI
Victor is too much alike to Julius, too bad MS didn't apply Victor as an actual character
Alucard plays a similar Role in LOS2 and in both SoTN and AoS
there are a ton of homages to both games in Story and Gameplay, and even music.
in other aspects, the war with the humans and demons bear strong resemblance to a certain war in AoS.

does anyone else feel like that?
i don't think so. Even with the homages.
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Post by: e105beta on March 04, 2014, 12:04:00 PM
i just think had they done that, brought back Zobek narrations, the "storybook" style, moar journeying, etc. then people still woulda complained how its too close to los1 in style rather than "doing its own thing." am i wrong?

even if/when they give the fans what we want, we'll still complain about it. its a never-ending cycle. look at watchmen; without a doubt the most faithful comic book movie film ever made (that and Sin City), but fans complained because it was only 99% accurate instead of 100%

Someone will always be able to complain. That's life. However, the vast majority of the complaints about LoS1, at least from here, were that it just didn't "feel" Castlevania i.e. no candles, too bright, such jungle, wow. Nobody really complained about the narrations, the storybook style, the journeying, etc, so I think if LoS2 had had all of that, we would be seeing far less complaints on both sides.

i don't think so. Even with the homages.

I agree with Maedhros  :o

People remember games for the experiences they had. As good as the gameplay can be in LoS2, there are too many thorns. For every "Wasn't that fight awesome!" there's a "Well, yeah, but the part after it was kind of lame"
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Post by: beingthehero on March 04, 2014, 12:19:17 PM
Considering how much Victor got the shaft (dohohoho) in this game, I'm extremely grateful they didn't make him Julius as originally intended.
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Post by: flyingchai on March 04, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
Victor sacrificed himself to draw suspicion away from Dracula, allowing him to keep his "element of surprise," and make the acolytes think that it was the Brotherhood that was challenging them.
So there was a purpose. Not calling it the best purpose storywise, however...

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Post by: e105beta on March 04, 2014, 12:39:35 PM
Victor sacrificed himself to draw suspicion away from Dracula, allowing him to keep his "element of surprise," and make the acolytes think that it was the Brotherhood that was challenging them.
So there was a purpose. Not calling it the best purpose storywise, however...

The problem with the purpose is it serves no purpose. Challenge or no challenge, Dracula would still have snuck into the headquarters all the same and engaged Nergal in single combat.

I also have a beef with the fact that Nergal was more powerful than Satan, but whatever.
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Post by: Viskod on March 04, 2014, 12:45:14 PM
Well we don't really know that. Satan never got a chance to fight Dracula directly. He intentionally possessed Alucard because Satan, is an asshole and wanted to make Gabriel fight his own son and call his bluff on killing his own son to kill him.

That kind of underhanded act pretty much fits the character.
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Post by: e105beta on March 04, 2014, 12:52:04 PM
Well we don't really know that. Satan never got a chance to fight Dracula directly. He intentionally possessed Alucard because Satan, is an asshole and wanted to make Gabriel fight his own son and call his bluff on killing his own son to kill him.

That kind of underhanded act pretty much fits the character.

It's true, but when that gambit was up, if he was actually more powerful, he would have busted out and fought Dracula one on one, not died.

LoS Dracula is "survive a nuclear blast to the face" tier at max strength. If he's shredding through Raisa, Zobek, and Satan, Nergal should have been little more than another boss fight.
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Post by: Viskod on March 04, 2014, 01:01:29 PM
Well he did try to escape Alucard, but Dracula was ready for that, and staked him.

Also, Gabriel could survive that blast because he made it into his own, the started chanting with the paladin and turned their own attack back on them, because why would the Paladin even use something like that if he knew it was going to kill him and everyone else there?
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Post by: e105beta on March 04, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
Well he did try to escape Alucard, but Dracula was ready for that, and staked him.

Also, Gabriel could survive that blast because he made it into his own, the started chanting with the paladin and turned their own attack back on them, because why would the Paladin even use something like that if he knew it was going to kill him and everyone else there?

I'd have figured he could have just busted out of Alucard in a gooey explosion if he was really ready for round two. I dunno, the whole risking getting staked because he doesn't think Dracula will stab Alucard seemed more like the last card in his hand then it did a perfect plan gone wrong.

And because killing Dracula is worth it? I dunno, the whole "I'm a champion of God!" was another plot point that I felt was never really resolved either. After that scene I figured they were going to pull the "This was all part of God's plan" especially when Marie said "This suffering had to happen!" in her talk with Gabriel.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 04, 2014, 01:50:15 PM
That would make God kind of a dick...
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Post by: e105beta on March 04, 2014, 01:54:00 PM
That would make God kind of a dick...

God working through suffering is no stranger to the Christian mythos which the game borrows heavily from.
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Post by: Dremn on March 04, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Man the more we talk about the plot the more things I keep noticing that are just weird or silly.

What a damn shame, really. The way they were going to resolve everything was one of the big reasons I was excited and interested in this game.
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Post by: JayDominus on March 04, 2014, 02:10:49 PM
That would make God kind of a dick...
Well he did send his son to Earth for him to be crucified for all our sins... not the kindest father.
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LoS2 looks way more Castlevania than LoS1 did, and all around it looks like it plays better too, sans the stealth. I guess LoS got a bigger, more vocal fanbase over the years. Releasing it on Steam probably helped A LOT.
Well LOS1 is pretty consistent in gameplay, quality (DLC nonwithstanding) and art style, so there's that going for it.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 04, 2014, 02:26:10 PM
God working through suffering is no stranger to the Christian mythos which the game borrows heavily from.
Kinda a parallel to life, no less. Enlightenment isn't achieved by those who do nothing. Or at least, those who sit on their ass. It takes suffering and struggle for good things to happen. A lot of people have to suffer through menial labor and jobs just to earn a living. Women have to suffer through pregnancy and child birth just to give birth to miracles. In the end, most rocky roads are paved by the intentions of man itself. In a world of God or a world that's godless, regardless, the greatest enemy of mankind is mankind itself.
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Post by: Viskod on March 04, 2014, 02:32:34 PM
Well another part of Christianity is free will. Gabriel May have been chosen by god in the first game, but that doesn't prevent Gabriel from doing what he wants.

Also God is a dick. See: Job
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Post by: Maedhros on March 04, 2014, 02:34:33 PM
LoS1 art is much, much better than what we got here. And while LoS2 looks great on the Castle, I feel that it was too short. TOO, TOO short. In fact, as I've said in the past, they should have made the castle XBOX huge, 6 or 7 areas. And considering how the city was shitty, they shouldn't try anymore of this in the future. It simply doesn't work.

And Ahasverus said to me that they made the Castle varied when I said that it didn't have almost any variation as per reviews. In the end, I was right. The only areas that you wouldn't expect on the castle were the City of Damned and the Agreus area, which was (again) too small.
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Post by: Intersection on March 04, 2014, 02:35:40 PM
Just one word: Agreus.
I'm also starting to worry for the structural integrity of the room I'm been playing this in. So I'm going to try to keep it at that.

It also doesn't help that his boss battle is laughably easy. I beat it in less than a minute on Lord of Shadow difficulty. At this point, I don't even call that a problem, I call that insulting.

Look, I'm genuinely trying to enjoy this game. I truly am. But for the moment I seem to be completely failing to do so, and something tells me that it's not entirely my fault. I'll hopefully have forgotten this segment once the next battle sequence kicks in, but for the moment, I really need to know: does LoS2 get any worse than this? Can I continue playing without fear of having to expend half an hour's worth of rage on something that isn't even worth my time?
Please, be merciful, and answer yes.
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Post by: e105beta on March 04, 2014, 02:38:33 PM
Kinda a parallel to life, no less. Enlightenment isn't achieved by those who do nothing. Or at least, those who sit on their ass. It takes suffering and struggle for good things to happen. A lot of people have to suffer through menial labor and jobs just to earn a living. Women have to suffer through pregnancy and child birth just to give birth to miracles. In the end, most rocky roads are paved by the intentions of man itself. In a world of God or a world that's godless, regardless, the greatest enemy of mankind is mankind itself.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2Fbd%2Fbd00f33facf8b48dac042204b953cb9b16612fd2412aa10f20b1444a98ddaeeb.jpg&hash=c87f4d9c7314e79e158e02204bca7113)

Well another part of Christianity is free will. Gabriel May have been chosen by god in the first game, but that doesn't prevent Gabriel from doing what he wants.

Of course. Obviously Gabriel made the wrong choices when confronted with life post-Marie, but that wouldn't mean that God couldn't make something good come out of it in the end.

Look, I'm genuinely trying to enjoy this game. I truly am. But for the moment I seem to be completely failing to do so, and something tells me that it's not entirely my fault. I'll hopefully have forgotten this segment once the next battle sequence kicks in, but for the moment, I really need to know: does LoS2 get any worse than this? Can I continue playing without fear of having to expend half an hour's worth of rage on something that isn't even worth my time?
Please, be merciful, and answer yes.

I'd say yes. Everything past this point is pretty quick.
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Post by: crisis on March 04, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
if los2 is sooo torturous to play thru then just give up return it to the store get your moneys back & watch the rest on youtube, problem solved
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Post by: Maedhros on March 04, 2014, 02:50:29 PM
If you bought it on Steam, there's a way to get a refund too. Just ask them. They usually return your money (Steam Wallet, though).
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Post by: Viskod on March 04, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
Well the artist that gave us the first game quit on this one because he couldn't put up with egomaniac whosits.
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Post by: Hickter Beermont on March 04, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
Hey guys, I've been lurking for a while but finally decided to set up an account. May be a little off topic on the current discussion but I just wanted to give my opinion on the game and its ending for anyone who cares enough to read my ramblings.

First off, I was a big fan of the first LoS, for me it was something that really dragged me back to the series after a patch I really wasn't fond of, undeniably SoTN is a great game and incredibly inventive but the games that followed in its foot steps seemed to be more concerned with copying the style as apposed to improving on it or making it their own despite minor changes to game play such as soul stealing and map screens, not bad games but just not fresh enough to keep me interested. The PS2 games I think most of us can agree on were pretty dire and uninspired so I won't go there.. But LoS had a new style, a new story to tell and a really beautiful cinematic look that I've not really felt with a game before. I was a bit of a fan boy with it, as is expected I was incredibly excited for LoS 2 and got it day 1, the whole intro just blew me away and really set the tone for the game giving you a real sense of desperation and fighting against the clock, there were some really fantastic moments and fights leading up to about 3/4 of the way through, some dryer spots and some issues with the city and traveling between destinations but I could overlook that.

Now here is where everything went downhill for me with the plot, Victor being number 1. As many of you have established this was just poor writing and really threw a lot of us off, zero emotional attachment to this "bad ass" who we're all supposed to give a shit about because of his swanky whip and Belmont title. (Also WTF the building was right in front of you ya daft bastard, hardly anywhere in this fucking city to explore anyway so stop being lazy and have a look about! How many "corporations" are there? We've established there's only a few major ones early on... Should've left this as a game play segment)

The part after was fine, I was happy with the way they handled the second Acolyte, he was a dick I get that nuff said, but then after that great twist someone in the writing department clearly thought it would be a good idea to shit in their own hand and start finger painting. When Alucard revealed himself Satan should've been revived there and then, making me travel across the city to go find the acolyte after the awesome Zobek/Death battle just took me right out of the immersion, in fact that Zobek battle should've been reserved for the final battle anyway. Revive Satan there, have your Alucard fight, give us a chance to fight Satan properly then when all's done have Zobek pop up to hold his end of the bargain and when told no, throws a temper tantrum and there goes the battle, which would've made sense as a final boss considering all the tragedy Zobek put Gabriel through, what did Satan do to him in the end? Tossed him about and threatened to screw his wife? Urgh..

Victor should've lived, even if he was absent for the end just have him down underground protecting the citizens, the end could've been nicely sorted with Gabriel destroying the mirror, recconecting with his son, Victor using the antidote to save humanity and help rebuild what was lost, Drac and Al go on to live in hiding waiting for a time when they may be called again, but for the mean while have some father son bonding long overdue, perhaps a mini game where you can play chupacabra catch...?

The game did feel like it was trying to hold too much to Lords of Shadow in terms of the linearity yet go for an open world feel in the traveling department which I really wish developers would realize is incredibly boring.. Stick to one or the other. The city was also pretty pants which is something I know a lot of people had a problem, all in all I really enjoyed the combat and story up until the.. "Incident" in the writers room.. Also who thought Alucard DLC would be coming as soon as the ending finished? I even guessed the name.. Waiting for that mind battle against Satan...
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Post by: Flame on March 04, 2014, 06:41:32 PM
I'd just like to pop in and say, since I JUST found it-

I love this track

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 OST: Second Acolyte (Exclusive Director's Cut Soundtrack) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JZniH-LuCc#ws)

One of my top 3,

along with

Carmilla's Spell (Atmospheric) - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 OST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOj2oOJvnOg#ws)

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Post by: Trevorcard on March 05, 2014, 12:08:04 AM
So guys I got Castlevania lords of shadow art book and it's ok purchase apparently Simon marries Selena Belmont. Unfortunately no picture of Selena.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 05, 2014, 01:06:08 AM
Selena, Senera's identical twin.
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Post by: zaxiou on March 05, 2014, 01:19:54 AM
After giving some time and thought to the game, I think it was a good game in the end. Even at it's worsts with the rats, it was tolerable and when it was at it's best, it was the best thing I've experienced in some long time. From the music to the atmosphere. Then I read about Enric and the troubled development, and somehow that made me feel even more for the game. Even the ending was awesome
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Post by: JayDominus on March 05, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
Yesterday I think I came up with an explanation why Satan was weaker than Nergal and got killed off so easily. It may be totally stupid but hear me out: Satan from the very minute he appeared in that chapel was screwed over by his pride, which is a deadly sin he's an incarnation of. "I don't need Guido, I can totally take on these two on my own" "Eh, they won't be able to do anything once I have the Leviathan", et cetera. He decided to possess Alucard and given that Alucard is pretty powerful and is second only to his father, that made a huge disservice to Satan because it took quite some power to have Alucard in control AND because of it he couldn't use all of his arsenal. But he went for it anyway because he thought that even despite all that he can still take on Drac. After the fight he was weakened and that's why he was slow enough for Dracula to catch him. As for why does the Combat Cross kill him - it was said that origins of the Cross are shrouded in mystery and it's possibly made out of nails used to crucify martyrs. Of one of those nails came from Jesus' cross, it would make it a powerful enough artifact. Now it involves a lot of far-fetching and assuming, but hey, it explains stuff.
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Post by: zaxiou on March 05, 2014, 02:56:00 AM
Yesterday I think I came up with an explanation why Satan was weaker than Nergal and got killed off so easily. It may be totally stupid but hear me out: Satan from the very minute he appeared in that chapel was screwed over by his pride, which is a deadly sin he's an incarnation of. "I don't need Guido, I can totally take on these two on my own" "Eh, they won't be able to do anything once I have the Leviathan", et cetera. He decided to possess Alucard and given that Alucard is pretty powerful and is second only to his father, that made a huge disservice to Satan because it took quite some power to have Alucard in control AND because of it he couldn't use all of his arsenal. But he went for it anyway because he thought that even despite all that he can still take on Drac. After the fight he was weakened and that's why he was slow enough for Dracula to catch him. As for why does the Combat Cross kill him - it was said that origins of the Cross are shrouded in mystery and it's possibly made out of nails used to crucify martyrs. Of one of those nails came from Jesus' cross, it would make it a powerful enough artifact. Now it involves a lot of far-fetching and assuming, but hey, it explains stuff.

I think, in LoS universe Satan isn't really all that strong. His main plan was to use Leviathan to destroy Earth. He couldn't do it himself.
Plus, the narrative & gameplay don't overlap all that well as they're supposed to. The last time Gabriel goes back to the Castle to finally see the truth for him self, is when he probably got all his powers back. He's back to his old strength, when everyone feared him. Thus the Satan battle was pretty easy, and before that point he was still getting his powers back thus explaining why the Acolytes were a bit tougher compared to Satan. The power scaling is really weird, God > Golgoth Guard > Dracul > Alucard > Satan.

As for the combat cross, I think that part mostly implies that it is infact Gabriel killing off Satan and not Dracul. To explain that well, here's a theory. In Los1 Gabriel was the champion of the Brotherhood of light who still had the darkness present in him but dormant thanks to Marie. But after her death he didn't really have anything to keep it dormant. In a way he was really Gabriel v1 where he suspended half of himself, and after fighting so many monsters and defeating the Lords of Shadows his dormant side started to awaken. And lateron as he drank Laura's blood, it was kind of like him letting Laura have peace by taking her Darkness in him. Which is kind of what he did to The Forgotten One. And now with an Eternity of Blood awaiting him, as he said, without Marie or anyone else who would need the Good Gabriel side, he gave in to his darkness thus Dracul was born which is really Gabriel v2 but with the darkness as the dominant personality. That continued till the Trevor incident where after finding out that it was his own son he killed, the dormant Gabriel started to awaken a little bit. And now in Los2, the castle sections are really the good side trying to wake up in his mind, and the only two people who would need/resonate with the good Gabriel is his son and wife, thus we see Trevor and Marie in the Castle constantly while he battles his inner self. By the end of the game, the battle between Gabriel and Dracul is put to rest thanks to the only person who could do it, i.e Alucard who resonates to both the sides of Gabriel. It's a really grey area, not like a Jerkyl Hyde thing. And thus by the end, the persona who really kills off Satan is Gabriel v3 who has finally accepted both the sides of him.

Sorry for the Wall of text, I had to get this out.  :-X

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Post by: JayDominus on March 05, 2014, 04:22:56 AM
The "Full power after Inner Dracula" thing COULD work... had the Inner Dracula battle happen after the second Acolyte, not before.
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Post by: Terin on March 05, 2014, 06:03:05 AM
Hi folks, I'm a longtime lurker...  (and some of my fangames are still linked on the CV Dungeon from 10+ years ago, whoa)

So far, I just got the Mist form and I'm really enjoying the game.  Despite the massive amounts of complaints and "generic" feeling of the city, it's a ton of fun.  That being said, I've been going around constantly in the castle and collecting all the power-ups and secrets.  I can definitely see it as a dialect of Symphony of the Night -- an attempt at making something like it, that resonates with it, to some degree.

Platforming has been a lot of fun -- clunky a bit now/then on the PS3 -- but I've had a lot of fun playing as Dracula and moving around.  This is clearly not the same Gabriel we saw in LoS1.  The combat, while fun (and I love getting mastery -- I already have the claws and whip mastered), kind of sucks.  The problem with the free camera is that I have an issue where enemies attack me from off-screen and even if I try to sync block, they've used an unblockable attack.  It's kind of interesting, actually, that LoS2 has a lot more unblockable attacks than LoS1.  It constantly feels like I'm being overwhelmed, even on the challenges, having 3 giant jailers all attack me at once, since one will be something I can sync block, and the next two will be unblockable with no time to escape between the two -- and it never gives me a chance to build focus, unless I want to try to hit them normally (but I can't because they have their armor on).  Overall, combat feels more broken than anything else in the game, so far.  It doesn't destroy the experience, though, but it eliminates a lot of the "freedom" I think we were supposed to feel.

At this point, I'm probably about halfway through the game, I would imagine, and still trying to figure out "what else" there is in store -- where else can it go and how else will Dracula be powered up?  I was thinking it would have been a lot more awesome to get "armor" and other power-ups throughout the game...  that would make it feel more SotN-ish.

I think a good way to sum it up is -- it's a very fun (but unbalanced and somewhat broken) Zelda-ish clone.  The atmosphere is very fun.

To combat a couple of criticisms, I've read the story mostly and I think there are a few interesting things that might be worth mentioning...

So, the supposed Vampire Killer has been reforged -- but if we go back to what Castlevania is called in Japan -- Akumajo Dracula -- Devil's Castle, Dracula -- I think that vampires (as strange as it may seem) are a subset of demon.  Killing Satan with the Vampire Killer kind of makes sense.  In LoS1, Gabriel never snapped his neck or anything like that, from what I can remember (just beat it again for the 100th time it feels like a week ago) -- I remember him holding him and forcing him back into the ground, while being taunted.  I believe Brauner and Olrox in this mythos are also supposedly DEMONIC in origin, according to the companion books.  Since when is a Vampire an upgrade from being a Demon?  I think they're kind of the same thing -- just maybe different classes, different allegiences.  Perhaps the Vampire Killer DID kill Satan, because it doesn't just kill vampires -- it REALLY kills demons, vampires of which are a subset.  I think it seems like there are a lot of mentions of Revelations (from Christianity) in it as well -- have you folks considered the symbolism -- the multi-headed serpent (Gorgon) followed by the Jezebel (Carmilla) and several mentions of the Beast and the Dragon?  The "final battle" between good and evil, supposedly.  Though, that might impose that Dracula is Jesus, which would be totally incorrect.

I was hoping we might get some more information about the Vampire Killer and Gabriel -- like maybe he was the incarnation of the angel Gabriel?  I think there's a lot of interesting connections between the Archangel and the Dragon, if you bother to read/study religious texts/Wikipedia.  But I think they kind of covered it in one of the companion book pages, saying he was likely the bastard child of the Cronqvist family -- an obvious nod to the original canon for fans, and otherwise a dismissable entry to non-fans.  It would have been interesting to see it developed more.

People complaining about the lack of civilians out -- it kind of makes sense -- it's late at night.  Working around downtown, I can guaranteee that after last call, everything is closed.  And the business/museum/art districts are generally ghost-town-ish.  Might have been interesting to see some bums out, but at the same time, we see the demonic mutants.  If Dracula went through a clubbing area or something with bars earlier in the game (prior to last call) I might understand some of the criticism of a "vacant city."  I think it works, though.

It does sound like Victor got thrown under the bus, though. 

Enric probably does have an ego, but at the same time, everyone has differences in opinion.  The folks I have working under me at work will come up with a "new way" to do things and sometimes, they're good -- but most times, there's a reason why someone is under me -- I have the experience/knowledge of why we should do something.  That being said, if everything was shot down, Enric is probably at fault and totally nuts.  A few features should have been included, I would think, at the very least.  But then there's always feature-envy, requests, budget, etc...  it's tough to handle ADDING things in.

The flow of the game seems pretty decent so far, but I also echo the sentiment that I wish, once we were discovered in the Stealth segments, we could "attack."  I would have loved to fight Carmilla or the Golgoth guards.  But then again, I also resent that I couldn't even open a freaking gate and was required to be in a Golgoth guard to access it.  That might have been an interesting mix-up.  Give us a Deus-Ex kind of option when it comes to the stealth segments...  Maybe for Agreus (haven't gotten there yet, but I'm supposedly close), completing the stealth segment SIGNIFICANTLY weakens him, but otherwise, you fight him at "full strength" or something.

Overall, the game is fun (which is what I care about the most).  I would really like to have seen more polish to it, though.  The game COULD be a lot worse off, having lost the art director halfway through, overall employee dissatisfaction, bad morale, etc.  I'm having fun with it -- it's absolutely DIFFERENT from LoS1.  LoS1 had more polish, for sure, minus the DLC.  I think I understand everyone's frustration -- it COULD have been so much more.  I don't think it's a bad or horribly broken/buggy game like something from Bethesda on initial release.  I think it sits firmly between a 6 and an 8.  Lots of special/memorable pieces, but also needs some balancing and a bit more polish, like the first LoS.

What I'm curious, is, if there is a secret ending, since what we've been left with is fairly inconclusive.  Has anyone gotten 110% and are we absolutely sure there isn't a "hidden item" that isn't capable of being found by a Dodo?  I'm sure folks have scanned the resources by now for a hidden cutscene or something.  I wonder, though, if maybe the DLC (if we even get it) will have a more conclusive ending or show "what really happens..."

Sorry for the wall-full. :D
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Post by: Viskod on March 05, 2014, 06:13:44 AM
Well we're definitely getting the Alucard DLC, because it's already done. I wouldn't call the game a Zelda clone at all because it lacks an actual overworld and anything that could be called a 'dungeon'.

I also just had a fun thought for a plot twist, I think it would have been interesting in this game to find out that Gabriel actually did ascend to heaven when he defeated Satan and that pillar of light shot out of him, and the Gabriel we saw in the actual ending, that Marie took the mask from and kissed goodbye were all of his doubts and impurities left on earth and he just didn't know it, and believed he was the actual, whole Gabriel.
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Post by: Terin on March 05, 2014, 06:20:40 AM
I had wondered the same thing.

It does feel like Zelda, though -- the Castle he teleports to are dungeons -- you even have to get pulled into them by going into a dark expanse to teleport between the worlds.  The overworld is the City.  I think Zelda's overworld (especially in Ocarina of Time) is always kind of bland -- the real character and fun are in the dungeons and special landmark areas.  Maybe a bit of a stretch, I guess, but there's that duality, right?  Maybe it might be more comparable to Megaman Legends, though, where all of the dungeons/tombs/whatever are actually really connected.

But that dual nature -- you get your power-ups in the Castle (dungeon) and you progress the storyline by hopping between areas on the City (overworld).
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Post by: zaxiou on March 05, 2014, 06:25:23 AM
Cox did say it's a bit like Zelda, I guess they had that in mind during development.
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Post by: Viskod on March 05, 2014, 06:28:29 AM
Yeah, I'm sure that's what Mercury Steam told Cox they were aiming for, but they failed miserably in their attempt.
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Post by: Rugal on March 05, 2014, 08:15:19 AM
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Post by: Maedhros on March 05, 2014, 08:20:32 AM
I'd just like to pop in and say, since I JUST found it-

I love this track

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 OST: Second Acolyte (Exclusive Director's Cut Soundtrack) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JZniH-LuCc#ws)

One of my top 3,

along with

Carmilla's Spell (Atmospheric) - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 OST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOj2oOJvnOg#ws)
The first music was the one I was talking about. One of the 5 musics that I like on the LoS series.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 05, 2014, 08:22:37 AM
The "PoD" difficulty level is a real bitch. Really hard.
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Post by: EstebanT on March 05, 2014, 09:07:25 AM
Lords of shadow was meh. Dlc was shit. Mirror of fate was meh. Lords of shadow 2 was meh.... So why am I thinking the dlc will fix it? It's like I enjoy dissapointment.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 05, 2014, 10:35:28 AM
Bergaron I summon you!!!

Tell us... will we get a Victor DLC???
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Post by: Flame on March 05, 2014, 10:42:21 AM
I'm not Bergaron but even i can tell you that will most likely be a no.
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Post by: Dremn on March 05, 2014, 10:51:32 AM
Alucard DLC and that will be it.
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Post by: EstebanT on March 05, 2014, 11:25:18 AM
Why would we want victor DLC? Just play Los1. Are we that eager to grow giant with random mystical stones? I want more screen time for victor.... But we don't really need a playable victor. I would rather have chupacabra DLC
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Post by: beingthehero on March 05, 2014, 02:34:35 PM
http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/thief-sneaks-to-top-of-uk-chart-as-castlevania-lords-of-shadows-2-flops-4390118/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/thief-sneaks-to-top-of-uk-chart-as-castlevania-lords-of-shadows-2-flops-4390118/)

Los2 has flopped financially in the UK.
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Post by: e105beta on March 05, 2014, 02:37:59 PM
http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/thief-sneaks-to-top-of-uk-chart-as-castlevania-lords-of-shadows-2-flops-4390118/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/thief-sneaks-to-top-of-uk-chart-as-castlevania-lords-of-shadows-2-flops-4390118/)

Los2 has flopped financially in the UK.

Looks like being last gen only was indeed a bad decision.
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Post by: Dremn on March 05, 2014, 02:41:59 PM
I don't expect it to be too different in the US either.
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Post by: AkuITA on March 05, 2014, 02:42:30 PM
I'm sorry...I can't resist :D

http://youtu.be/VVflxhht7so (http://youtu.be/VVflxhht7so)

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Post by: Maedhros on March 05, 2014, 05:56:25 PM
I called it. But it was so fucking obvious that the game wouldn't sell better than LoS1. People who thought it would sell better were desilusional.
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Post by: e105beta on March 05, 2014, 06:07:14 PM
I called it. But it was so fucking obvious that the game wouldn't sell better than LoS1. People who thought it would sell better were desilusional.

If it had actually delivered, I have no doubt it would have sold better.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 05, 2014, 06:19:58 PM
If it had actually delivered, I have no doubt it would have sold better.
Nope, it wouldn't. There's no momentum for this. LoS1 was released on the right time, with PS3/360 on their peaks.

And as I said... many people were dissapointed by the first game. I know so many people who thinks like this, outside forums and owners of PS3. They didn't even bother trying LoS2.
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Post by: e105beta on March 05, 2014, 06:28:30 PM
Nope, it wouldn't. There's no momentum for this. LoS1 was released on the right time, with PS3/360 on their peaks.

And as I said... many people were dissapointed by the first game. I know so many people who thinks like this, outside forums and owners of PS3. They didn't even bother trying LoS2.

And I know so many people who were impressed by the first game and were looking forward to this one.

Anecdotal evidence is fun, ain't it?

EDIT: In all seriousness, LoS1 would have helped LoS2 more than it would have hindered it. There was more than one reviewer disappointed by LoS2 because it was one of their more anticipated games. It had hype. You say there was no momentum for LoS2, but there was far less momentum for LoS1.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 05, 2014, 06:33:55 PM
Yeah. Half of the people probably ended being disapointed by LoS2, considering the shitty ending and reviews.

I love anedoctal evidence.

EDIT: BTW, it isn't really anedoctal, it's obvious that some people didn't like the first game and wouldn't buy the second. Simple logic. We don't know how many, but seeing how LoS2 flopped, seems like it was many.
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Post by: e105beta on March 05, 2014, 06:42:46 PM
Yeah. Half of the people probably ended being disapointed by LoS2, considering the shitty ending and reviews.

I love anedoctal evidence.

EDIT: BTW, it isn't really anedoctal, it's obvious that some people didn't like the first game and wouldn't buy the second. Simple logic. We don't know how many, but seeing how LoS2 flopped, seems like it was many.

Or people didn't by LoS2 because it's an inferior product and got significantly lower ratings than LoS? No, that would make too much sense.

I'm not arguing that LoS2 as it is will do better than LoS. I'm arguing that if LoS2 didn't pull in god awful reviews before it even came out resulting in a disappointing product, it would have sold better than LoS.

But then again, we'll never know now, will we?
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 05, 2014, 06:44:48 PM
Damn this could be it for the whole series. LoS2 doesn't deserve to be a hit but it shouldn't fail astronomically. It's bad for everyone.
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Post by: e105beta on March 05, 2014, 06:49:23 PM
Damn this could be it for the whole series. LoS2 doesn't deserve to be a hit but it shouldn't fail astronomically. It's bad for everyone.

I wouldn't start predicting the end until we hear some sort of statement from Konami.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 05, 2014, 07:15:04 PM
Damn this could be it for the whole series. LoS2 doesn't deserve to be a hit but it shouldn't fail astronomically. It's bad for everyone.
Depends on too many variables. How much they expect it to sell, if they kinda expected the game to not sell that well. Anyway, the message that bad sells pass to Konami isn't that people aren't willing to buy Castlevania, they are willing to buy good Castlevania games.
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Post by: Flame on March 05, 2014, 08:11:28 PM
Not always. in the corporate business VG company world, Bad sales = people don't want more of this. they don't think in terms of quality, not always. they thing sales = demand. Very black and white like.

The beauty of LoS being by a Western developer and not japan however, and with the way japan is, is that bad sales can simply be blamed on the western developer "not getting it" or some other thing. So they might try in house for the next project. now if THAT didn't sell, then i'd worry.
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Post by: crisis on March 05, 2014, 08:24:53 PM
b-but judgment sold like 12 copies
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Post by: derision on March 05, 2014, 08:25:24 PM
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=1820&s=1111 (http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=1820&s=1111)

Even though LoS2 debuted lower than the first, it still apparently had a better opening than every other Castlevania game over there.

It doesn't sound like the UK has ever really been too receptive to this series.
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Post by: EstebanT on March 05, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
b-but judgment sold like 12 copies
I never know when you're trolling....
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Post by: KaZudra on March 06, 2014, 02:31:21 AM
So Cox Has a new Twitter, and that PC Surprise is coming soon...
https://twitter.com/kiddracul/status/441147785316802560
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 06, 2014, 02:37:59 AM
So Cox Has a new Twitter, and that PC Surprise is coming soon...
https://twitter.com/kiddracul/status/441147785316802560
MoF HD or exclusive PC DLC.
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Post by: KaZudra on March 06, 2014, 02:41:27 AM
Most likely MoF HD... there is too much evidence pointing in that direction, I doubt PC will get anything exclusive from Konami unless it's something minor.
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Post by: Little Dracula on March 06, 2014, 02:48:08 AM
Frikin hate some challenges, I don't know if is bad design or the the designer is a dick.
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Post by: Dremn on March 06, 2014, 03:05:05 AM
Damn this could be it for the whole series. LoS2 doesn't deserve to be a hit but it shouldn't fail astronomically. It's bad for everyone.
LoS2 won't kill the franchise.

We might be in for a bit of a break though.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 06, 2014, 04:14:36 AM
LoS2 won't kill the franchise.

We might be in for a bit of a break though.

Didn't leak guy said there would be a Japanese oriented Castlevania game coming up next? It also seems to line up with what Bergaron said, so I'm hopeful.   
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Post by: Dremn on March 06, 2014, 04:45:45 AM
Didn't leak guy said there would be a Japanese oriented Castlevania game coming up next? It also seems to line up with what Bergaron said, so I'm hopeful.
Sounds like a 2D Castlevania to me.

Maybe another Soma Cruz game.

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Post by: Flame on March 06, 2014, 04:48:21 AM
Japanese oriented might just mean well, japanese oriented. AKA Japanese made, with the japanese market in mind, whereas LoS was western made with the EU/US market in mind
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Post by: Dremn on March 06, 2014, 05:14:30 AM
Lords of Shadow Pachinko.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAJAgSJH.gif&hash=f0cbad8052ce3117d95a79465f10aee6)
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Post by: Nagumo on March 06, 2014, 06:20:58 AM
The Arcade was for the Japanese market, and that was like the best thing ever.
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Post by: Dominus on March 06, 2014, 06:42:38 AM
Sounds like a 2D Castlevania to me.

Maybe another Soma Cruz game.

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I'd be here for that. Poor Sonia always getting the short stick

Lily Allen - Hard Out Here (Official Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0CazRHB0so#ws)
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Post by: Viskod on March 06, 2014, 06:50:58 AM
Well that's a shame. Seeing as how even though Thief sold the most, only 15% of its sales were for the 360 and 8% were for the PS3. That being said, Thief also got a pretty lukewarm reception as being a far cry from its predecessors and being pretty glitchy.

But that didn't seem to matter as much as all of those people who bought PS4/XB1s wanting something to play on them. Hell, now that the PS4 is out in Japan, by the end of February Sony has sold over 6 Million PS4s.

So I would definitely say that only being last gen probably did hurt them just as much as the reviews did. Which is a shame, because while Lords of Shadow 2 is in no way a perfect game, and I have my own complaints with it, I feel that the focus on the stealth sections was ludicrously overblown.

I think if they had released for the PS4/XB1 and taken advantage of the better specs, that many more copies would have been sold, just due to lack of library for those systems as of yet. Because from all I've seen, Thief has suffered more outrage from its old fanbase community than Lords of Shadow 2 ever did from its respective base.

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Post by: e105beta on March 06, 2014, 07:28:06 AM
Well that's a shame. Seeing as how even though Thief sold the most, only 15% of its sales were for the 360 and 8% were for the PS3. That being said, Thief also got a pretty lukewarm reception as being a far cry from its predecessors and being pretty glitchy.

But that didn't seem to matter as much as all of those people who bought PS4/XB1s wanting something to play on them. Hell, now that the PS4 is out in Japan, by the end of February Sony has sold over 6 Million PS4s.

So I would definitely say that only being last gen probably did hurt them just as much as the reviews did. Which is a shame, because while Lords of Shadow 2 is in no way a perfect game, and I have my own complaints with it, I feel that the focus on the stealth sections was ludicrously overblown.

I think if they had released for the PS4/XB1 and taken advantage of the better specs, that many more copies would have been sold, just due to lack of library for those systems as of yet. Because from all I've seen, Thief has suffered more outrage from its old fanbase community than Lords of Shadow 2 ever did from its respective base.

As someone who is waiting to get a PS4 until there's, you know, something actually on it, I didn't think being last gen only would hurt it that much.

I guess you're right. People are just looking for something to play on their next gen consoles.
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Post by: Trevelyan on March 06, 2014, 08:21:11 AM
I think if they had released for the PS4/XB1 and taken advantage of the better specs, that many more copies would have been sold, just due to lack of library for those systems as of yet. Because from all I've seen, Thief has suffered more outrage from its old fanbase community than Lords of Shadow 2 ever did from its respective base.

Yeah, agreed on that.  It's some real bad timing.   I think how quickly the next gens sold took Konami by surprise, but I guess it would have been fine if it wasn't for that six month delay. 

From the sounds of it, the game has at least sold decently, so it shouldn't stop Konami developing something new.  Ideally we'd get some news on what kind of game it'll be before too long. 
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Post by: Dremn on March 06, 2014, 09:04:26 AM
The Arcade was for the Japanese market, and that was like the best thing ever.
Dat soundtrack.
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Post by: GigaDan on March 06, 2014, 09:49:38 AM
So I would definitely say that only being last gen probably did hurt them just as much as the reviews did. Which is a shame, because while Lords of Shadow 2 is in no way a perfect game, and I have my own complaints with it, I feel that the focus on the stealth sections was ludicrously overblown.

I think if they had released for the PS4/XB1 and taken advantage of the better specs, that many more copies would have been sold, just due to lack of library for those systems as of yet. Because from all I've seen, Thief has suffered more outrage from its old fanbase community than Lords of Shadow 2 ever did from its respective base.

1. Stop telling yourself this game would've done better if blank. This game did as well as it deserved.

2. Even though Thief doesn't look amazing next gen, it certainly looks better compared to it's competition than LoS2 does against it's contemporaries.

3. How the hell is a 100 person team supposed to make a next-gen launch window title on a proprietary engine?? Though they are similar to pc's there's still a lot of immaturity in the toolsets leading up to launch (especially from ms.) The art barely looks up to snuff for a 7th gen game. As an 8th gen game it would've gotten even lower scores.

4. That's because the heart of the cv community died for the most part about 4 years ago and the series has been consistently shit on by Konami budget-wise since Castlevania Chronicles.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
4. That's because the heart of the cv community died for the most part about 4 years ago and the series has been consistently shit on by Konami budget-wise since Castlevania Chronicles.
Yeaah no. Still second best Castlevania launch.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 06, 2014, 09:59:46 AM
I don't luke the idea of a Castlevania made in Japan... again. I don´t like it at all unless its the Julius Belmont game. I really did like the story of LOS (except the end and Victor). It was a serious story. I don't want a game made from japanese guys set in the 1400's Europe with katanas or tsuchinokos. It's ridiculous.
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Post by: GigaDan on March 06, 2014, 10:06:00 AM
I wouldn't say that Lament of Innocence, Order of Ecclesia, or Curse of Darkness were "silly". They certainly each had problems but the only one if throw in the pit with LoS is Lament. That game is very poorly designed.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 10:07:26 AM
I wouldn't say that Lament of Innocence, Order of Ecclesia, or Curse of Darkness were "silly". They certainly each had problems but the only one if throw in the pit with LoS is Lament. That game is very poorly designed.
Chair room? Cats? Do they ring a bell to you?
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Post by: Kingshango on March 06, 2014, 10:10:58 AM
I just realized that I've been playing the game for a few days now and I haven't put up my impressions.

Positives so far:

1. I like the combat more in this game than in the first

2. The castle areas a beautiful, love the art direction here.

3. Bosses are fun, albeit a bit on the easy side.

4. Love the somewhat non linear level world, much better than the level based structure from the first game (imo).

5. I might be in the minority but I do like the soundtrack in this game, especially some of the battle themes mixed the the electronic synths going on.

And now for the not so positives:

1. Some areas of the city settings are boring compared to the castle area's, especially in term of art direction.

2. Stealth sections, while not as bad as they seem, are very basic and too straightforward with little to no freedom. And it's downright stupid that I still have to sneak around these generic Unreal Tournament monsters despite the fact that I am physically capable of taking them on with the claws and such.

3. The modern enemies you fight are basically generic reskinned werewolves with a Resident Evil backstory and you fight them %80 of the time you're there, the other %20 are riot guards and Metal Gears.

4. The plot, oh dear God THE PLOT!

And that's my impressions so far, I like it a bit more than the first and I may finish up either today or tomorrow, as it stands the game is a 7.5 for me until I finish it.

P.S. Call me nuts, but out of all the stealth segments in the game, Agreus was my favorite and was not as hard as these chump ass journalist's claimed it to be. 4 hours my ass Kotaku, I beat it in 4 minutes.
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Post by: GigaDan on March 06, 2014, 10:17:34 AM
Chair room? Cats? Do they ring a bell to you?
"The terrible state of the pipes down here would perturb even my brother Mario." How about that MGS moment in Lords 1 or the terrible "Cake is not a lie" joke? Hell, isn't Castlevania city a joke at best? I will take cats and chair rooms over that clumsy forced crap any day.
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Post by: Intersection on March 06, 2014, 10:23:13 AM
I don't luke the idea of a Castlevania made in Japan... again. I don´t like it at all unless its the Julius Belmont game. I really did like the story of LOS (except the end and Victor). It was a serious story. I don't want a game made from japanese guys set in the 1400's Europe with katanas or tsuchinokos. It's ridiculous.
The Tsuchinoko only appears in Aria of Sorrow, which is set in 2035 and begins in Japan. And the Katana existed long before there was even such a thing as feudal Europe.
LoS2 introduces mechs and space marines in a modern-day setting and has a plot that utterly reeks of stupidity.

So tell me, what is more ridiculous here?
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Post by: Nagumo on March 06, 2014, 10:32:38 AM
Pre-LoS games didn't take themselves 100% seriously, and turned out the better for it. Ironically, when there's a joke in a LoS game, it's very lame and awkward, but when it plays things completely straight it can be unintentionally hilarious (i.e Castlevania City). I really hope that element returns to the series in the next game. Bring on the ninja maids!       
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 10:33:21 AM
The Tsuchinoko only appears in Aria of Sorrow, which is set in 2035 and begins in Japan. And the Katana existed long before there was even such a thing as feudal Europe.
LoS2 introduces mechs and space marines in a modern-day setting and has a plot that utterly reeks of stupidity.
It's not realistic modern day.

And, whatever, we had vaccum cleaner holding demon maids and motorcycle skeletons. I will never EVER bitch about enemy types in Castlevania. They could make me fight a pen with fangs and I won't bat an eye. Castlevania has carte blanche for me in the enemy department.
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Post by: Belmontoya on March 06, 2014, 10:37:26 AM
Pre-LoS games didn't take themselves 100% seriously, and turned out the better for it. Ironically, when there's a joke in a LoS game, it's very lame and awkward, but when it plays things completely straight it can be unintentionally hilarious (i.e Castlevania City). I really hope that element returns to the series in the next game. Bring on the ninja maids!       

I haven't noticed humor in cv 1-4. Which are my favorites.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 06, 2014, 10:47:24 AM
I haven't noticed humor in cv 1-4. Which are my favorites.

Yeah, but those games weren't actually the pinnacle of grimdark seriousness either. At least, I wouldn't say so about games with enemies called "Mammy Medusa".

You should check the Japanese manual artwork and you'll know what I mean.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GigaDan on March 06, 2014, 11:01:04 AM
Pre-LoS games didn't take themselves 100% seriously, and turned out the better for it. Ironically, when there's a joke in a LoS game, it's very lame and awkward, but when it plays things completely straight it can be unintentionally hilarious (i.e Castlevania City). I really hope that element returns to the series in the next game.       
Exactly right. Cake is a lie, mario pipe jokes, etc. were all really lame. Nothing in the other castlevania games were as cringeworthy.

Not that you're debating the LoS humor is good. You're just saying you need your video games to be 100% self serious in order to enjoy them. I've honestly never understood people like you and I find the direction your type dragged AAA games into this last gen made plots excruciating.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on March 06, 2014, 11:02:53 AM
CV1 had the moai heads from Gradius as well, plus smaller things like the film reels flanking the title screens for those games.

I guess Castlevania for the X68k was the beginning of out-right goofiness.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on March 06, 2014, 11:23:34 AM
I haven't noticed humor in cv 1-4. Which are my favorites.

Not looking hard enough. It's subtle, but it's there.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on March 06, 2014, 11:27:31 AM
It's not realistic modern day.

And, whatever, we had vaccum cleaner holding demon maids and motorcycle skeletons. I will never EVER bitch about enemy types in Castlevania. They could make me fight a pen with fangs and I won't bat an eye. Castlevania has carte blanche for me in the enemy department.
I realize that. Besides, I never said that I personally minded riot police -- they're fun enemies to battle, and that's all I really care about.

The point is, I found it strange to see some of Castlevania's legitimate Japanese influences dismissed as ridiculous by someone who sees a 'serious' plot in LoS's story arc.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 06, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
For anyone who doesn't follow NeoGaf:

https://twitter.com/kiddracul/status/441147665393668097

Alucard DLC will have no fix for the ending, and judging by Cox's reaction, he thinks the ending is fine.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevorcard on March 06, 2014, 11:47:25 AM
Yeah, but those games weren't actually the pinnacle of grimdark seriousness either. At least, I wouldn't say so about games with enemies called "Mammy Medusa".

You should check the Japanese manual artwork and you'll know what I mean.
I would like balance not super serious like Lords of Shadow and not super goofy like later Metroidvanias for the next game. Like the older castlevania games.

Also u guys I am current playing South Park Stick of Truth and it's perfect antidote to this game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 06, 2014, 11:48:59 AM
I don't luke the idea of a Castlevania made in Japan... again. I don´t like it at all unless its the Julius Belmont game. I really did like the story of LOS (except the end and Victor). It was a serious story. I don't want a game made from japanese guys set in the 1400's Europe with katanas or tsuchinokos. It's ridiculous.
It IS a Japanese series, whether you like it or not. I always concidered it a fact that it was just "on loan" while the European branch made use of the LoS story. Where the IP goes after that's probably up the main hub(which is Japan). If anything, they are within their full right to make another Japanese CV game, regardless of what fans think. Remember, this is also included in the whole "change" thing. What ever happens, you could like it or you can loath it, but regardless, it's a turn that you are helpless to change. 

And I agree with Trevorcard. Balance is key(in everything, even life itself).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: kadosho on March 06, 2014, 12:10:55 PM
Btw the Konami code makes a guest appearance, I won't say where.
But keep an eye out for soldier scrolls later on.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 06, 2014, 12:16:16 PM
Are we seriously discussing which jokes and silly moments in CV games are better?

Really?

I enjoy my silly shit in older CV games just like I enjoyed the easter eggs in LoS1 like the MGS segment in the refectory or Dracula winking if you put in the Konami code at the "press start" screen. And similarly, the CV2 Simon sprite in LoS 1 when you out the same code in.


3. The modern enemies you fight are basically generic reskinned werewolves with a Resident Evil backstory and you fight them %80 of the time you're there, the other %20 are riot guards and Metal Gears.


I wish, Im in Hard mode, so i no longer see Riot police or metal gears. I see Horned Demons, and the bigger horned demons. or Dark Monks. So all I see are mutants and demons.

Dark Monks are not fun to fight. They move around to much and are annoyingly ranged.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Nagumo on March 06, 2014, 12:26:29 PM
Are we seriously discussing which jokes and silly moments in CV games are better?

Really?

Well, there's not much of a discussion because the answer is pretty obvious.

ZING
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on March 06, 2014, 01:16:28 PM
For anyone who doesn't follow NeoGaf:

https://twitter.com/kiddracul/status/441147665393668097

Alucard DLC will have no fix for the ending, and judging by Cox's reaction, he thinks the ending is fine.
Well it's their story.

Kinda weird Dracula won in the end, but, Gabe isn't the kind of Dracula we're used to.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 06, 2014, 01:17:11 PM
The Tsuchinoko only appears in Aria of Sorrow, which is set in 2035 and begins in Japan. And the Katana existed long before there was even such a thing as feudal Europe.
LoS2 introduces mechs and space marines in a modern-day setting and has a plot that utterly reeks of stupidity.

So tell me, what is more ridiculous here?
Yes but Katanas were NOT in Europe at that time. LOS2 is set in modern times, apparently 2047, so it could be allowed the appearance of dudes flying and armored robots. Japanese stuff stay un Japan and Europe stuff stay in Europe.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on March 06, 2014, 01:34:36 PM
GigaDen, did you just ignore the sales percentags for thief? 23% on both the PS3 and 360 combined. Its not crazy at all to think that if the game had launched on two additional platforms, how well of a port aside, that have next to nothing available it would have sold just because people who own those systems are looking for something to play on them period.

I have no idea if they could have met that goal, that's why it was a hypothetical consideration that if they had.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: GigaDan on March 06, 2014, 01:48:15 PM
GigaDen, did you just ignore the sales percentags for thief? 23% on both the PS3 and 360 combined. Its not crazy at all to think that if the game had launched on two additional platforms, how well of a port aside, that have next to nothing available it would have sold just because people who own those systems are looking for something to play on them period.
It's ludicrous to indulge that LoS sold only 22% [14 + 8] what it could have if it were on next gen. I don't think there's a deluge of the 6M people with PS4's wishing that Lords of Shadow 2 was on it and aren't buying it in hopes that it will be ported (which might just happen anyways. Konami is desperate.) I doubt they would've sold a million copies across both PS4 & Xbone combined. I think the quality of the game speaks for the sales. Persona 5 is certainly going to blow LoS2 away and it's only going to be available on 1 console.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on March 06, 2014, 02:20:20 PM
I know there's little jokes in the credits and enemy names. The graphic art in the manual of the earlier games was a little silly too.

But I'm talking about jokes actually within the game.

I would say for their times that cv 1-4 were dark. I wasn't allowed to play cv3 at my daycare center because some of the kids got scared by it. Haha. I had it confiscated until the end of the day!

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 06, 2014, 02:33:01 PM
It's ludicrous to indulge that LoS sold only 22% [14 + 8] what it could have if it were on next gen. I don't think there's a deluge of the 6M people with PS4's wishing that Lords of Shadow 2 was on it and aren't buying it in hopes that it will be ported (which might just happen anyways. Konami is desperate.) I doubt they would've sold a million copies across both PS4 & Xbone combined. I think the quality of the game speaks for the sales. Persona 5 is certainly going to blow LoS2 away and it's only going to be available on 1 console.

Your personal quality opinions aside, it's not a ridiculous observation.

Thief and Castlevania currently sit at similar levels of "niche" in terms of fanbase and following. Thief and Lords of Shadow 2 got similar ratings in terms of reviews. I also highly doubt that the 78% PS4/Xbone Thief sales have a 100% conversion rate to last gen if, for example, Thief was not released on this current gen. Just realize nobody has yet to insinuate that LoS2 would have sold 354% better if it was on PS4/Xbone, just that it probably would have sold sizable more copies if it had been.

So no, it's not "ludicrous to indulge" that LoS2 could have done significantly better if given a wider release platform.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on March 06, 2014, 02:57:38 PM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Intersection on March 06, 2014, 03:03:21 PM
Yes but Katanas were NOT in Europe at that time. LOS2 is set in modern times, apparently 2047, so it could be allowed the appearance of dudes flying and armored robots. Japanese stuff stay un Japan and Europe stuff stay in Europe.
This debate is actually rather trivial, but think of it like this: Castlevania is Japanese. According to you, it should have stayed in Japan.

Incidentally, no date is ever mentioned in LoS2. 2047 only came out of fan speculation. As far as I'm concerned, the modern car models and road designs featured in the game simply aren't consistent with cyborgs and flying mechanical armors.

Still, at the moment I couldn't care less about anachronisms, since I'd already given up on LoS2's narrative some time ago. Just don't go about faulting Castlevania for its lack of historical realism, since a game featuring Dracula is as historically inaccurate as it can get. And the "Japan stays in Japan" argument is moot, since its Japanese take on the European mythos was what made the franchise successful in the first place.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 06, 2014, 03:16:58 PM
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Well, looks like I found my new wallpaper.

That Dracula image is neat too
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on March 06, 2014, 03:18:40 PM
Maybe if the Tsuchinoko was the main villian in AoS, then yes, let Japan stay out of Castlevania, but that enemy was only present in one lonely room! I always see japanese references as easter eggs in the games, put there by the programers. Or, if I see Japanese buildings, or hear japanese music, or stay in an actual japanese place in a Castlevania game, then again yes, stay out of Castlevania. I don´t like at all the incursion of a japanese teenager in AoS in the beggining, but after playing for a few minutes, fighting skeletons, medusa´s heads, dragons, mermen, bats... I know that I am playing a Castlevania game. Sure, we have a boss in OoE that is a japanese vampire, but again, is not relevant to the whole game, I believe.

I think we should see that references (in both classic CVs, metroidvanias and LoS) as easter eggs, because they not interfere in the main plot of the game.

I would say for their times that cv 1-4 were dark. I wasn't allows to play cv3 at my daycare center because some of the kids got scared by it. Haha. I had it confiscated until the end of the day!

It´s true. Also, I am sure that is a really bad idea to play CVII with little children at home, specificaly taking too much time to put the password with that creepy background music 8). I will never do that again...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 03:22:38 PM
Have all my children, MercurySteam artists.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Sindra on March 06, 2014, 03:31:10 PM
So help me out with something, people who may have gotten it better than I did:

What the hell was the point of having the Mirror of Fate in the game at all? All I saw was that it was a fetch quest - padding for the game in order to have interaction between Young Trevor and Gabeula. It has no significance beyond that, right? Except for Gabe to glance at it at the end of the game, and basically negate the whole point of the MoF game by saying "Eh, fuck it." and crushing it....rendering the whole things pointless? No other significance, right?

Seriously, there seemed to be so many things that were forced into being "relevant" plot points that were actually totally needless in this game that it's making my head spin.

We're in the future!

No, now we're in the past!

Wait, it's not the past. We're in a dream!

Wait, Young Trevor is here, and the castle is alive and we have to "jump" between timeframes back and forth. It's....not a dream?

But, Alucard is around, so if Young Trevor is here it has to be a dream! And Marie and Carmilla are dead, but alive and....what?!


Seriously, what the fuck?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 06, 2014, 03:38:56 PM
Seriously, what the fuck?

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on March 06, 2014, 03:42:29 PM
So help me out with something, people who may have gotten it better than I did:

What the hell was the point of having the Mirror of Fate in the game at all? All I saw was that it was a fetch quest - padding for the game in order to have interaction between Young Trevor and Gabeula. It has no significance beyond that, right? Except for Gabe to glance at it at the end of the game, and basically negate the whole point of the MoF game by saying "Eh, fuck it." and crushing it....rendering the whole things pointless? No other significance, right?

Seriously, there seemed to be so many things that were forced into being "relevant" plot points that were actually totally needless in this game that it's making my head spin.

We're in the future!

No, now we're in the past!

Wait, it's not the past. We're in a dream!

Wait, Young Trevor is here, and the castle is alive and we have to "jump" between timeframes back and forth. It's....not a dream?

But, Alucard is around, so if Young Trevor is here it has to be a dream! And Marie and Carmilla are dead, but alive and....what?!


Seriously, what the fuck?

You're better off not thinking about it. The more you do, the more likely you may end up having an brain aneurysm.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 03:44:10 PM
I understand what they were trying to achieve (A Silent Hill 1 vibe of is this a dream or not? It happens the same way) but while in Silent Hill it is all pieced in the game's mythology,  that part is left out in this game. I blame cut content.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 06, 2014, 03:57:55 PM
I thought the Castle represented Gabriel/Dracula. It exists, inside him. Everytime he got something there, it was already with him, just a metaphor that represented him remembering.

Some deep shit, that didn't end all that well.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on March 06, 2014, 03:58:59 PM
LoS2 introduces mechs and space marines in a modern-day setting and has a plot that utterly reeks of stupidity.

So tell me, what is more ridiculous here?
Futuristic setting. LOS2 is set in 2057.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on March 06, 2014, 04:01:33 PM
It must have all been a dream. There were space marines.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
Please show me the space marines. I want that game.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on March 06, 2014, 04:04:59 PM
You got that game with LoS2. Sadly they're only for shitty stealth segments. What a waste.

Could have had Dracula ally with the Zerg and take on the Terrans.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 06, 2014, 04:08:31 PM
Please show me the space marines. I want that game.

Seriously.

Dracula vs Space Marines.

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
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??

I see a medieval knight with a bazooka.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Sindra on March 06, 2014, 04:17:15 PM
No no...that's a Space Marine.....
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 04:19:25 PM
Strawman strikes again.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 06, 2014, 04:23:42 PM
It looks like shit.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 04:24:24 PM
It looks like shit.
It does. Worst model in the game by far. but it's not a space marine. Come on.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 06, 2014, 04:27:07 PM
You see a Medieval Knight there, how in the flying fucking fuck?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 06, 2014, 04:27:38 PM
I'm going to be very disappointed if I don't get my Dracula: 40,000 game now.

Septumus Belmont, Grand Master of the Blood Angels squaring off against his sworn nemesis Dracula, Daemon Prince of Khorne
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 04:28:10 PM
You see a Medieval Knight there, how in the flying fucking fuck?
Because Medieval armor?

Man really why are you so loud and always angry. Get some snickers or something.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on March 06, 2014, 04:37:51 PM
This says it all.

Me: lets play a little game
Me: im going to show you an image, and you tell me the first thing that comes to mind
Me: http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/7b7gy5-HgRs/maxresdefault.jpg (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/7b7gy5-HgRs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Friend: makes me think firebat
Friend: but that armor design is very familiar
Me: can you guess what game/series its from?
Friend: unreal tournament?
Me: nope
Friend: warhammer?
Me: nope
Friend: no clue
Me: from the new 'Castlevania' game
Friend: should rename it spastlevania


*Firebat is a space marine unit from Starcraft.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on March 06, 2014, 04:39:37 PM
why is there no slogra

cocktease us with slogra corpse in los1 epilogue, yet he is absent in both this & mof
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on March 06, 2014, 04:39:55 PM

Man really why are you so loud and always angry. Get some snickers or something.

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Mr T Snickers commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NySN_plfiNI#ws)

But Snickers makes you louder and angrier
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 04:49:19 PM
why is there no slogra

cocktease us with slogra corpse in los1 epilogue, yet he is absent in both this & mof
I concur. In fact, we can't even visit the cathedral/throne room. Dissapointing.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on March 06, 2014, 04:55:23 PM
This says it all.

Me: lets play a little game
Me: im going to show you an image, and you tell me the first thing that comes to mind
Me: http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/7b7gy5-HgRs/maxresdefault.jpg (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/7b7gy5-HgRs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Friend: makes me think firebat
Friend: but that armor design is very familiar
Me: can you guess what game/series its from?
Friend: unreal tournament?
Me: nope
Friend: warhammer?
Me: nope
Friend: no clue
Me: from the new 'Castlevania' game
Friend: should rename it spastlevania


*Firebat is a space marine unit from Starcraft.
It makes me think on this: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/LordHuck/2dtub2t_zpsa0310fc5.jpg (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/LordHuck/2dtub2t_zpsa0310fc5.jpg)
Maybe you and your friend are playing so much Starcraft...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Mike Belmont on March 06, 2014, 05:05:24 PM
I am not defending the enemies ideas for LoS 2, but that Golgoth in the game reminds me a little of the red armor of Vlad in Brahm Stoker´s Dracula movie... with a bit of the boss from Ninja Gaiden Black in Chapter 3 :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Belmontoya on March 06, 2014, 05:23:45 PM
I am not defending the enemies ideas for LoS 2, but that Golgoth in the game reminds me a little of the red armor of Vlad in Brahm Stoker´s Dracula movie... with a bit of the boss from Ninja Gaiden Black in Chapter 3 :P

That's exactly what I was going to say.

I haven't had much time to play LOS2 yet. So far it was pretty good. Some of the level designs looked pretty generic to me. And some of the enemies look pretty bad.. I already can tell that I don't like it as much as LOS1. So I guess have to say that it's disappointing. But I hope a little more time with it will turn my opinion around. But I'm not expecting it to.

:/
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on March 06, 2014, 05:35:52 PM
It makes me think on this: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/LordHuck/2dtub2t_zpsa0310fc5.jpg (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/LordHuck/2dtub2t_zpsa0310fc5.jpg)
Maybe you and your friend are playing so much Starcraft...

Here. You missed a few details.

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on March 06, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
i also feel the brotherhood scrolls are just pointless

i find them here n there & the first few were interesting, but every one after that was just blahblahblah

i wouldve liked it if they actually included unseen lore of the castle, why certain things in the castle behave a certain way or offer backstory for the characters that actually exist in the story as opposed to some random guy named leonard or radric whos backstories mean 0 & lend nothing to the overall plot
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Post by: Flame on March 06, 2014, 06:00:55 PM
I'll just drop these here. I just have to share these. they are too adorable.
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 06:07:42 PM
Here. You missed a few details.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dimondsoft.com%2Fhotlink%2FSpacemarine2.jpg&hash=55d91ff5e6937a1706983e12bfe2977a)
OK you win.

And Flame too.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on March 06, 2014, 07:17:04 PM
why is there no slogra

cocktease us with slogra corpse in los1 epilogue, yet he is absent in both this & mof

I prefer it that way (no Slogra at all). If counts like brauner and Olrox were reimaginded as giant Gorilla vampires, Frankenstein Monster as a mechanical spider, Trevor is Alucard and father of Simon and Dracula is a Belmont......

 Slogra might have ended up being a Car in a street, or a Restaurant sign I dont know.  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 06, 2014, 07:40:43 PM
I prefer it that way (no Slogra at all). If counts like brauner and Olrox were reimaginded as giant Gorilla vampires, Frankenstein Monster as a mechanical spider, Trevor is Alucard and father of Simon and Dracula is a Belmont......

 Slogra might have ended up being a Car in a street, or a Restaurant sign I dont know.  :P

Is Trevor's re-imagining REALLY so bad? I mean, aside from the fact that it's different?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 07:47:05 PM
Is Trevor's re-imagining REALLY so bad? I mean, aside from the fact that it's different?
It's the best part of the new series. I liked how everyone shut up so fast about it. I thought it was going to be a big uprorar. It was really well done.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 06, 2014, 08:19:39 PM
It's the best part of the new series. I liked how everyone shut up so fast about it. I thought it was going to be a big uprorar. It was really well done.

Even I'll admit it was a bit weird to think about at first, but Trevor becoming Alucard just seems so natural for me now. I definitely like LoS Alucard more than IGA Alucard.

That's probably what I appreciate the most about LoS, is that it gave largely personality-less characters some actual personality.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on March 06, 2014, 08:26:55 PM
also making simon Alucard Jr.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 06, 2014, 08:27:05 PM
Frankenstein Monster as a mechanical spider
Scorpion

It's a Scorpion.

And it was awesome. Something to break completely from the usual universal Creature. It was still this weird abomination, what with that fetus thing in the head, so it wasnt entirely mechanical. I loved Frankenstein's lab too.

Also, I cant see any Trevor Complaint's. He's practically the same as he was in CoD. His coat changed color, thats about the biggest change.

And I gotta say, aside from the Father stuff in LoS2, and the Trevor thing, Alucard is pretty similar to SotN Alucard too. Kind of aloof and distant like.

His look was pretty different though. Superficially reminiscent maybe, due to the colors of gold on black for his outfit, and pale hair, but pretty radical otherwise. Though I liked it. I mean, Alucard has never really changed appearance from his SotN look, ever. Even in Aria and Dawn, despite sporting a totally new look, we got saddled with SotN Alucard for CV3 mode in the latter. It's literally just a superficial costume he wears.

Though that was most likely out of sheer laziness so they didn't have to make new spirtes for "Arikado."

So seeing Alucard get totally redesigned was a fresh sight.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2014, 08:31:33 PM
Funnily enough LoS Alucard resembles Legends Alucard in more way that one. Heh.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 07, 2014, 02:02:56 AM
Everything was awesome about LoS.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on March 07, 2014, 05:00:54 AM
That's probably what I appreciate the most about LoS, is that it gave largely personality-less characters some actual personality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on March 07, 2014, 05:05:15 AM
They gave Dracula, Death, Carmilla, Trevor, and Simon more character in two games than the series had done until that point.

Whether or not you like the plot aside, at least it was an attempt.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 07, 2014, 07:00:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk)

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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on March 07, 2014, 07:31:19 AM
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Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: EstebanT on March 07, 2014, 08:44:11 AM
Wtf is this thread... 9gag?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 07, 2014, 01:18:33 PM
Scorpion

It's a Scorpion.

And it was awesome. Something to break completely from the usual universal Creature. It was still this weird abomination, what with that fetus thing in the head, so it wasnt entirely mechanical. I loved Frankenstein's lab too.

Also, I cant see any Trevor Complaint's. He's practically the same as he was in CoD. His coat changed color, thats about the biggest change.

And I gotta say, aside from the Father stuff in LoS2, and the Trevor thing, Alucard is pretty similar to SotN Alucard too. Kind of aloof and distant like.

His look was pretty different though. Superficially reminiscent maybe, due to the colors of gold on black for his outfit, and pale hair, but pretty radical otherwise. Though I liked it. I mean, Alucard has never really changed appearance from his SotN look, ever. Even in Aria and Dawn, despite sporting a totally new look, we got saddled with SotN Alucard for CV3 mode in the latter. It's literally just a superficial costume he wears.

Though that was most likely out of sheer laziness so they didn't have to make new spirtes for "Arikado."

So seeing Alucard get totally redesigned was a fresh sight.

I'd have to agree with Flame here.

I could totally picture Trevor from the LOS series in the classic series, like say for instance they made a game set before Curse of Darkness or something and used that design, I don't think many people would have a problem with it because its not that big of a divergence appearance wise.

And believe it or not I actually like Alucard's Design in LOS as well, It was a nice and tasteful redesign that did not change "to much" from the SOTN version such as him still having light long hair and a black and gold color scheme as well as eyes. I was worried as a Alucard fan that MS was going to f*&k him up personality and appearance wise considering what they did with Olrox and Brauner, But I must say aside the whole Trevor becoming Alucard and Alucard now having a father son bonding with Dracula in LOS2 thing that this Alucard isn't to much of a far cry from the original, although obviously different in many ways.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 07, 2014, 01:45:43 PM
I'd have to agree with Flame here.

I could totally picture Trevor from the LOS series in the classic series, like say for instance they made a game set before Curse of Darkness or something and used that design, I don't think many people would have a problem with it because its not that big of a divergence appearance wise.

And believe it or not I actually like Alucard's Design in LOS as well, It was a nice and tasteful redesign that did not change "to much" from the SOTN version such as him still having light long hair and a black and gold color scheme as well as eyes. I was worried as a Alucard fan that MS was going to f*&k him up personality and appearance wise considering what they did with Olrox and Brauner, But I must say aside the whole Trevor becoming Alucard and Alucard now having a father son bonding with Dracula in LOS2 thing that this Alucard isn't to much of a far cry from the original, although obviously different in many ways.

There you have it folks, right from the mouth of DarkPrinceAlucard himself.

All arguments to the contrary are now considered null and void.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on March 07, 2014, 02:03:42 PM
did anyone find all the relics in the city of the damned (draculas castle)? i'm only missing 2 :/
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on March 07, 2014, 02:05:41 PM
did anyone find all the relics in the city of the damned (draculas castle)? i'm only missing 2 :/
Still working on it, but my guide has all the items marked down. I'm trying not to use it though, too easy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Asgardwolf on March 07, 2014, 02:09:09 PM
did anyone find all the relics in the city of the damned (draculas castle)? i'm only missing 2 :/
Are you using the Dodo eggs? It makes it really easy.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 07, 2014, 02:46:55 PM
I'd have to agree with Flame here.

I could totally picture Trevor from the LOS series in the classic series, like say for instance they made a game set before Curse of Darkness or something and used that design, I don't think many people would have a problem with it because its not that big of a divergence appearance wise.

And believe it or not I actually like Alucard's Design in LOS as well, It was a nice and tasteful redesign that did not change "to much" from the SOTN version such as him still having light long hair and a black and gold color scheme as well as eyes. I was worried as a Alucard fan that MS was going to f*&k him up personality and appearance wise considering what they did with Olrox and Brauner, But I must say aside the whole Trevor becoming Alucard and Alucard now having a father son bonding with Dracula in LOS2 thing that this Alucard isn't to much of a far cry from the original, although obviously different in many ways.
I still don't like the chest thing(in both Alucard and Dracula). It just, why wear armor if you are leaving your whole chest area exposed? And if you have no problem(because you are super powerful), then why wear armor at all? Logic just doesn't play into the design, just like Tidus and Vaan of FFX and FFXII. One could say, "Well, guys always drool over illogically dressed female characters.", though, I'd be the first to say, that doesn't make THOSE right either. I'm not batting for either side, as in situations like this, IMO, i just doesn't work(or appeal to me as a character design fitting of said game). If it was Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball style shit, go topless to your heart's content! Of course, you can also say Alucard DOESN'T go all out chest exposed in LoS2...  ;)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on March 07, 2014, 03:18:38 PM
I still don't like the chest thing(in both Alucard and Dracula). It just, why wear armor if you are leaving your whole chest area exposed? And if you have no problem(because you are super powerful), then why wear armor at all? Logic just doesn't play into the design, just like Tidus and Vaan of FFX and FFXII. One could say, "Well, guys always drool over illogically dressed female characters.", though, I'd be the first to say, that doesn't make THOSE right either. I'm not batting for either side, as in situations like this, IMO, i just doesn't work(or appeal to me as a character design fitting of said game). If it was Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball style shit, go topless to your heart's content! Of course, you can also say Alucard DOESN'T go all out chest exposed in LoS2...  ;)

Style usually trumps practicality in character design.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 07, 2014, 03:48:12 PM
I always figured with Gabriel it was something like, Since he drinks blood, when he chomps on a neck, he gets all his mouth chin and upper chest covered in blood, so it's just for convenience. So he doesn't stain his pretty outfit or something along those lines. I like to think that practically every pore on a Vampire absorbs blood, which is why when Drac and Alucard drink blood, the bloody mess on their face fades away after a few seconds.

As for Alucard, i suppose Since he was his son, He gave him some similarly designed armor that follows similar conventions to his own, while still retaining Trevor's own outfit style stuff.

I'm curious as to why he didn't think his Son would revive as a Vampire. I guess he didnt know his blood could revive and turn someone after they were dead.

And to be fair, it DID take quite a long while for Trevor to resurrect as Alucard.

By the way, i was thinking- LoS Dracula... is really the very first Castlevania incarnation of the character to ever actually factor in the Dragon aspect.

The real life Vlad  was part of the Order of the Dragon. Which is why he's called Dracula. His father was Dracul, he is Dracula, son of the Dragon.

Other CV games never really delve into that. he just sort of renames himself Vlad Tepes and calls himself Dracula for no other reason than because he's Dracula.

LoS Dracula legot goes the full mile, calling himself Dracul- not Dracula, and often referencing himself as "The Dragon, Dracul"

With the people calling him Dracula, likely because in their eyes, Satan would be the Dragon, and Dracula evil enough to be the spawn of satan or some thing like that.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on March 07, 2014, 05:38:13 PM
With the people calling him Dracula, likely because in their eyes, Satan would be the Dragon, and Dracula evil enough to be the spawn of satan or some thing like that.

Lords of Shadow 2 plot synopsis: Dracula hunts down Dracul's Draculas.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on March 07, 2014, 06:06:05 PM
From the new LoS series Artbook:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FcgXpAQL.jpg&hash=7d703843da26be126d094c9c9488039b)

Trevor's bottom design looks a lot like Ayami Kojima's.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: MKKhanzo on March 07, 2014, 08:33:47 PM
I always figured with Gabriel it was something like, Since he drinks blood, when he chomps on a neck, he gets all his mouth chin and upper chest covered in blood, so it's just for convenience. So he doesn't stain his pretty outfit or something along those lines. I like to think that practically every pore on a Vampire absorbs blood, which is why when Drac and Alucard drink blood, the bloody mess on their face fades away after a few seconds.

As for Alucard, i suppose Since he was his son, He gave him some similarly designed armor that follows similar conventions to his own, while still retaining Trevor's own outfit style stuff.

I'm curious as to why he didn't think his Son would revive as a Vampire. I guess he didnt know his blood could revive and turn someone after they were dead.

And to be fair, it DID take quite a long while for Trevor to resurrect as Alucard.

By the way, i was thinking- LoS Dracula... is really the very first Castlevania incarnation of the character to ever actually factor in the Dragon aspect.


The real life Vlad  was part of the Order of the Dragon. Which is why he's called Dracula. His father was Dracul, he is Dracula, son of the Dragon.

Other CV games never really delve into that. he just sort of renames himself Vlad Tepes and calls himself Dracula for no other reason than because he's Dracula.

LoS Dracula legot goes the full mile, calling himself Dracul- not Dracula, and often referencing himself as "The Dragon, Dracul"

With the people calling him Dracula, likely because in their eyes, Satan would be the Dragon, and Dracula evil enough to be the spawn of satan or some thing like that.

I always thought of his second (or third) transformations to have draconian form. And some of the Kojima drawings have some sort of draconian stuff, or even dragons itself (Harmony of Dissonance cover).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 07, 2014, 08:39:38 PM
I always figured with Gabriel it was something like, Since he drinks blood, when he chomps on a neck, he gets all his mouth chin and upper chest covered in blood, so it's just for convenience. So he doesn't stain his pretty outfit or something along those lines. I like to think that practically every pore on a Vampire absorbs blood, which is why when Drac and Alucard drink blood, the bloody mess on their face fades away after a few seconds.

As for Alucard, i suppose Since he was his son, He gave him some similarly designed armor that follows similar conventions to his own, while still retaining Trevor's own outfit style stuff.

I'm curious as to why he didn't think his Son would revive as a Vampire. I guess he didnt know his blood could revive and turn someone after they were dead.

And to be fair, it DID take quite a long while for Trevor to resurrect as Alucard.

By the way, i was thinking- LoS Dracula... is really the very first Castlevania incarnation of the character to ever actually factor in the Dragon aspect.

The real life Vlad  was part of the Order of the Dragon. Which is why he's called Dracula. His father was Dracul, he is Dracula, son of the Dragon.

Other CV games never really delve into that. he just sort of renames himself Vlad Tepes and calls himself Dracula for no other reason than because he's Dracula.

LoS Dracula legot goes the full mile, calling himself Dracul- not Dracula, and often referencing himself as "The Dragon, Dracul"

With the people calling him Dracula, likely because in their eyes, Satan would be the Dragon, and Dracula evil enough to be the spawn of satan or some thing like that.

That's because these other games don't try to think too much of reasons for it. It's just a game, Dracula/Vlad Tepes is just a reference for the character on the game, no need to cover all the aspects of the book character on the game, at all, they're not important for Castlevania.

In fact, I don't agree that LoS covers then too, they too use it only as reference, nothing too deep at all.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 07, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
That's because these other games don't try to think too much of reasons for it. It's just a game, Dracula/Vlad Tepes is just a reference for the character on the game, no need to cover all the aspects of the book character on the game, at all, they're not important for Castlevania.

In fact, I don't agree that LoS covers then too, they too use it only as reference, nothing too deep at all.
They still go deeper than previous games have. He isnt part of any order of the Dragon, BUT, he calls himself "Dracul" because it means Dragon. Therefore, many refer to him as "The Dragon". in fact, if I can recal right, i don't think anyone but himself ever actually call him Dracul. They either call him Dracula, or "The Dragon", interestingly enough. (Or Lord, when in the castle, but thats another story)

It was interesting to me. The kind of reminder that Dracula isn't just some name, it's a word. A word that means something very specific.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 08, 2014, 08:01:17 AM
I think you're overthinking, but ok.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on March 08, 2014, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: OSM
From the new LoS series Artbook:

if iga returns it should be for the 1999 game, nothing else
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dremn on March 08, 2014, 11:51:58 AM
Bestfriendvania - Lords of Shadow 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP_qZ7QEFjc#ws)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Kingshango on March 08, 2014, 02:22:11 PM
Finished the game, my final thoughts are exactly the same as my impressions posted a few pages back and very little has changed.

+ Combat was fun
castle settings are awesome
bosses were fun
The somewhat non linear worlds (although there clearly hide the loading times during some doors and elevators)
I liked the music
The art direction is great especially Dracula's castle

- Some of the modern areas are so bland and boring to look at compared to the castle settings, hell I swear I nearly fell asleep during the stealth sections in the factory areas because of how generic the interiors looked. And speaking of stealth sections...

Stealth sections, while they're not really horrible, they're very straightforward with next to no freedom to experiment with your abilities. I thought they were ok when you were weak but I shouldn't be hiding anymore after I just ripped out the heart of a giant Gorgon.

The plot, the less I talk about it, the better.

The enemy variety in the modern settings, seriously, I felt like all I was fighting were Resident Evil monsters, Metal Gears and Zergs.

I wish there were more varied setting aside from the castle and the city, like the castle village or the outskirts of the city or something.


Overall, I liked it slightly more than the first one but I can't help but wonder what could have been if Alvarez didn't go full retard and add in some questionable design choices. The game had mad potential to be great instead of just being "ok" at best.

My personal score: Three Puff Daddy's (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fdiddydatazz2.png&hash=c98f4c813903168dfcf3d34f8663d4ca) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fdiddydatazz2.png&hash=c98f4c813903168dfcf3d34f8663d4ca) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fdiddydatazz2.png&hash=c98f4c813903168dfcf3d34f8663d4ca) out of 5
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: derision on March 08, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Someone found an unused series of ledges. Nothing too fancy since it's all invisible and seems to lead nowhere.

Castlevania LOS2: Secret Structure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_elJQt9245Q#)

Wonder if there's other similar things waiting to be found.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: KaZudra on March 08, 2014, 05:08:33 PM
Someone found an unused series of ledges. Nothing too fancy since it's all invisible and seems to lead nowhere.

Castlevania LOS2: Secret Structure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_elJQt9245Q#)

Wonder if there's other similar things waiting to be found.

I knew that part had something to it, maybe there was going to be a few more areas cut from final?
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 08, 2014, 06:04:53 PM
That man could buy a new TV for the price of the game.
I remember Cox calling the game "Biblical" when first announced, it pains me to know that pretty surely tons of content was cut.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on March 08, 2014, 07:14:52 PM
Someone found an unused series of ledges. Nothing too fancy since it's all invisible and seems to lead nowhere.

Castlevania LOS2: Secret Structure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_elJQt9245Q#)

Wonder if there's other similar things waiting to be found.

AHHH

I KNEW IT

I FUCKING KNEW IT

I KNEW THE MOMENT I SAW THAT SECTION OF MISSING RAILING THAT IT WAS SOMETHING! IT DROVE ME OCD AS FUCK
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 08, 2014, 07:50:29 PM
Well i finally got back to playing LOS2 after taking a bit of a break to finish my Dead Rising mega man suit hunt, but I must say that I still stand by my opinion that having stealth sections LATER in the game is completely and utterly pointless and stupid not to mention illogical.

You have Gabriel/Dracula who is able to be beat some of Satans best acolytes still having to sneak by those red armored guards who can pwn you so freaken easily.

So pretty much this game is just saying those guards>>>>>>>>>Satan and his top acolytes.

Those sections at the BEGINNING of the game would not have struck such a illogical nerve with me since it was Gabriel/Dracula and his weakest who was regaining his lost power, but later....

Just seem like such a bad move on MS's part that they never even bothered to stop and think about, later in that game after Gabriel/Dracula had some bosses under his belt that he has beaten they should have done away with those guards or at least made it to where you where able to fight and beat them.

But then again that would have ruined most of their precious stealth sections which they wanted to incorporate so bad that thinking about whether it was logical LATER in the game was lost on them.

I can now see why those sections ruined it for some players.

But to be fair they aren't that long and are only given in small douses, but I stand by the notion that it would have been a MUCH better idea if MS never even bothered with stealth sections period.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on March 08, 2014, 07:51:33 PM
I tried to drop there too. I didn't really wanted to go back there with double jump though, I was already wanting the game to end at that point.
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Post by: JR on March 09, 2014, 01:15:20 AM
Just got past the part where
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and I'm liking this game so far. Liking it a lot, surprisingly. I'm having more fun with this one than the first, specifically with the combat.

I think most of the complaints that reviewers had about this game are justified, but I'm not really bothered by those aspects at all. I was coming into the game dreading the stealth-rat parts, but they're not nearly as bad as I was expecting. Still a little silly, but meh.

The city environments are fine with me. Not to say I think they're perfect or couldn't be improved, but I thought they were enjoyable.

The plotholes don't even really bother me that much, but maybe I haven't had time for some of it to sink in yet, I guess.
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The plot is what I was worried about the most, but so far, it doesn't seem all that bad, I guess.

Maybe having low expectations going in this time around has helped me enjoy this game, but I still think it's legitimately good. Seeing the mediocre reviews (and wondering why they even bothered with MoF in the first place) was setting me up for disappointment, but I'm loving it so far. Still, like everyone else, I can't help but wonder how it could've been without Enric Alvarez allegedly mangling so many of the team's ideas.



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Post by: crisis on March 09, 2014, 10:22:56 AM
2014 Dracula be like... "hey chupacabra, i need more dodo eggs. how much?"
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Post by: Asgardwolf on March 09, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
Actually he is 2057 Dracula.
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Post by: crisis on March 09, 2014, 03:33:53 PM
Bram Stoker's dracula rehearsal clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZbVKFNBYuk#)
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Post by: flyingchai on March 09, 2014, 05:22:46 PM
Where did this 2057 year come from? It's in the wiki but I never saw it from an official source. Furthermore, LOS was in 1047...exactly 1000 years hence would be 2047.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 05:29:08 PM
Ok guys I have made it to the famous "Agreus stealth section" and it is definitely the epitome of the worst part of the game and stealth sections by far.

I can see why this section made so many give up and give this game crappy reviews because this section on top of the other unnecessary and illogical stealth sections really does put a damper on what I must admit was a fun game, Those stealth sections are like a punch in the gut by a carny after getting off a fun ride, it kinda ruins it.

And that Agreus section only multiplies the hatred one has for those stealth sections by freaken 10x.

The whole stealth thing was a terrible idea by MS that should not have been implemented in the first place, have no clue what where going through their heads when they decided to add stealth sections to a castlevania game.

This game would have been so much better without them in my opinion.

All that being said I plan on somehow getting past it and finishing the game, not going to give up on this.
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Post by: crisis on March 09, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
CVLOS 2 - Pieces of a Mirror chapter - Agreus walkthrough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqy5AV12kDU#ws)


ur welcome
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 05:39:14 PM
CVLOS 2 - Pieces of a Mirror chapter - Agreus walkthrough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqy5AV12kDU#ws)


ur welcome

Already looked at that, did not help since I could not pull it off as good as the person in the vid.

I
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Post by: Maedhros on March 09, 2014, 05:49:34 PM
I needed two tries only. Not really that hard.

Doesn't matter, because it continues to be a shitty designed section.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 06:02:37 PM
I needed two tries only. Not really that hard.




Subjective.

Some players are better than others I guess, but the general opinion of most of the people who has played that section has called it a severe pain in the ass and the worst part of the game, check the reviews as well as the youtube videos to see my point.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 09, 2014, 06:05:56 PM
I'm not your typical casual gamer. I always try the best I can on the games I own, not mattter how hard they are.

And I never said that the area has good design, I'm saying that it isn't as hard as people make it to be. Unless you're a casual gamer.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 06:11:22 PM


And I never said that the area has good design, I'm saying that it isn't as hard as people make it to be. Unless you're a casual gamer.

So your calling me as well as many others a casual gamer which is complete BS.

I play the hell out of any game I purchase as well, I've beaten Devil May Cry 3 on the hardest difficulty (Dante must Die) and that game is notorious for its regular difficulty let alone Dante must die mode.

Your making a pretty poor assumptions here.
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Post by: derision on March 09, 2014, 06:26:06 PM
I get the feeling that a lot of the people who get so completely hung up on that Agreus part are not just forgetting about the mist form, but are forgetting that they can jump.

Wading through leaves just briefly will cause a big ruckus that gets Agreus to rush you down. Hopping across those portions will attract his attention, but less so since you're going to be reducing the time spent and noise created on these surfaces considerably.

On my New Game+ runthrough I decided to go through this without the mist. Getting to the door switch was extremely simple, and even though I got caught before I could get out, the door remained open and getting back was equally simple.

Honesly, this part is just a blip in the game. I actually even liked it since you have several different ways to tackle it, unlike most of the Golgoth parts.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 09, 2014, 06:37:57 PM
So your calling me as well as many others a casual gamer which is complete BS.

I play the hell out of any game I purchase as well, I've beaten Devil May Cry 3 on the hardest difficulty (Dante must Die) and that game is notorious for its regular difficulty let alone Dante must die mode.

Your making a pretty poor assumptions here.

I continue to say it's not that hard. I could do what the guy did on the video. It isn't hard to pull that.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 06:40:11 PM
I continue to say it's not that hard. I could do what the guy did on the video. It isn't hard to pull that.

As I said earlier, saying that part is not hard is subjective, not a fact.

Some are better at certain parts of games than others, it doesn't make them a "casual gamer" simply because you found it easy while others did not.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 09, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
I continue to say it's not that hard. I could do what the guy did on the video. It isn't hard to pull that.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 06:44:29 PM
I continue to say it's not that hard. I could do what the guy did on the video. It isn't hard to pull that.

So because you reposted it it makes it more right, gotcha! :rollseyes:
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Post by: derision on March 09, 2014, 06:50:25 PM
There's a 3-foot concrete wall ahead of you. You can try to bash it with your skull until it breaks, which would be very painful and frustrating, but that doesn't mean that getting beyond it is difficult.
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Post by: crisis on March 09, 2014, 06:51:02 PM
Quote from: Maedhros
I'm not your typical casual gamer. I always try the best I can on the games I own, not mattter how hard they are.

ever try cv adventur reBirth on hard, "classic mode," with only one life? pretty fun & challenging
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 06:54:47 PM
There's a 3-foot concrete wall ahead of you. You can try to bash it with your skull until it breaks, which would be very painful and frustrating, but that doesn't mean that getting beyond it is difficult.

For christ sake, you and Maedros simply have no idea what the word "subjective" means apparently, your saying that part isn't hard like its absolute fact which is BS.

Just because you 2 as well as others found it easy does not automatically mean that it in fact is or should be for everyone.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on March 09, 2014, 06:55:50 PM
Where did this 2057 year come from? It's in the wiki but I never saw it from an official source. Furthermore, LOS was in 1047...exactly 1000 years hence would be 2047.
fallen knights and city memorials...
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
Ok finally got past the agreus section after taking a brief break to watch The Walking Dead.

It took me approximately 12 tries, definitely not "easy" to me in my honest opinion.
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Post by: derision on March 09, 2014, 07:26:33 PM
As I said earlier, saying that part is not hard is subjective, not a fact.

This is just one big slippery slope, you know. Facts are just opinions/theories, supported by compelling evidence and then accepted as objective for convenience. Keep on playing that subjectivity card and eventually you'll no longer find yourself accepting what are considered facts. I don't think you want to give credence to the geocentric crowd, do you?

The Agreus section already has a lot of evidence on why it isn't difficult. You can soundlessly pass over the leaves with mist, the mist can shield you from Agreus' charge, hopping over the leaves mitigates the consequences, getting caught does not close the doors after they've been opened, and the section is short. There are videos on Youtube showing competent runthroughs, and they don't involve anything demanding.

If you still find this difficult, well you still can, but you're also faced with this "evidence" and the likely possibility that you're making this hard for yourself due to disregard. Hence my cheeky wall metaphor.

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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 07:30:14 PM
This is just one big slippery slope, you know. Facts are just opinions/theories, supported by compelling evidence and then accepted as objective for convenience. Keep on playing that subjectivity card and eventually you'll no longer find yourself accepting what are considered facts. I don't think you want to give credence to the geocentric crowd, do you?

The Agreus section already has a lot of evidence on why it isn't difficult. You can soundlessly pass over the leaves with mist, the mist can shield you from Agreus' charge, hopping over the leaves mitigates the consequences, getting caught does not close the doors after they've been opened, and the section is short. There are videos on Youtube showing competent runthroughs, and they don't involve anything demanding.

If you still find this difficult, well you still can, but you're also faced with this "evidence" and the likely possibility that you're making this hard for yourself due to disregard. Hence my cheeky wall metaphor.

And there is also "evidence" to the contrary of it not being easy such as the millions of gamers who all point out how much a pain in the ass that section is.

So I will stand by my earlier statement if you don't mind.

At least I am actually ADMITTING that it is easy for some which is ok, but you and Maedros can't even admit to the contrary of it being actually hard for others without downplaying their intelligence as a gamer.
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Post by: derision on March 09, 2014, 07:36:40 PM
And there is also "evidence" to the contrary of it not being easy such as the millions of gamers who all point out how much a pain in the ass that section is.

So I will stand by my earlier statement if you don't mind.

That's not evidence, that's the disregard/ignorance I was talking about. Those "millions" (Konami wishes) dying a bunch of times and even going so far as to spend hours on this section indicates bashing one's head against the 3-foot concrete wall. Bringing up the geocentric thing again, that was a popular idea before it was disproven. You won't find many people who subscribe to that now, and if they do, they won't be taken seriously.

Nothing's really stopping you from continuing to think that the section was hard. Even if it just isn't.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
That's not evidence, that's the disregard/ignorance I was talking about. Those "millions" (Konami wishes) dying a bunch of times and even going so far as to spend hours on this section indicates bashing one's head against the 3-foot concrete wall. Bringing up the geocentric thing again, that was a popular idea before it was disproven. You won't find many people who subscribe to that now, and if they do, they won't be taken seriously.

Whatever, everything I'm saying is going over your head just like in the last topic where i actually tried to have a conversation with you which makes this pointless.

All your doing is generalizing gamers and making a bunch of assumptions about what those gamers who had problems with that part really where doing which was either being to dumb or retarded as a gamer or "legitimately" having a hard time with it which really does show your smugness.

Done with this conversation, I already beat the part so whats done is done, I'm out.
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Post by: derision on March 09, 2014, 07:44:41 PM
Whatever, everything I'm saying is going over your head just like in the last topic where i actually tried to have a conversation with you which makes this pointless.

Don't talk down to me when you're the one being the hypocrite here. I've responded to your claims reasonably but you're the one sticking your fingers in your ears and failing to address my points. It is probably best if you stop, I agree.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 07:47:41 PM
Don't talk down to me when you're the one being the hypocrite here. I've responded to your claims reasonably but you're the one sticking your fingers in your ears and failing to address my points. It is probably best if you stop, I agree.

F that noise man, Its hard to stop with you replying as such, do you honestly want a argument with me?

Because I can stay if you keep replying in such a way.

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Post by: derision on March 09, 2014, 07:52:03 PM
Your problem is that you're taking this personally when this isn't at all a personal issue, nor has it been framed as such (from my end).

For your information we have been arguing, for a whole page even, but it apparently ran its course considering your ducking out. If you really want to have the last word that badly though, be my guest. Doesn't matter to me.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 09, 2014, 07:54:36 PM
Your problem is that you're taking this personally when this isn't at all a personal issue.

For your information we have been arguing, for a whole page even, but it apparently ran its course considering your ducking out. If you really want to have the last word that badly though, be my guest. Doesn't matter to me.

I'm "Ducking out" because unlike you I have been here long enough and been active enough to know what these kinds of exchanges lead to, I've been a part of them in the past and while I haven't been banned in the past I don't plane on getting banned now which is why I was attempting to be the bigger man and just end it before it got "to far".

If your ok with arguments and bans than that is on you.
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Post by: The Puritan on March 09, 2014, 08:11:42 PM
fallen knights and city memorials...

The memorial thingy says construction should be completed by 2057. It could still be 2047 if construction will take ten years.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 09, 2014, 08:25:24 PM
In the memorials, the one that says that they are thankful to the Belmont family, is that the only memorial that mention the Belmonts?. I say it because I'm at 95% of memorials and scrolls and I don't know where are the other ones.
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Post by: Flame on March 09, 2014, 10:56:14 PM
Look how divisive the LoS series is, that we are arguing about inane shit such as who thinks what's hard and who's opinion is fact.

of course, one could argue that that's just part of the territory. Castlevania fans and all that. fan = fanatic, so...
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 10, 2014, 02:41:26 AM
Sheesh... Guys please calm down.
We don't want Jorge-sama to issue another ban hammer.
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Post by: Viskod on March 10, 2014, 04:52:15 AM
If it can be flawlessly done in a 1:27 seconds, then the issue just comes down to player skill and capability. I did it pretty much the same way as the video, which to me is very straightforward and obvious. So if it just skill based, then the section is only as hard as you make it, and you can't really fault that part of the game since the problem is not with its design, but your approach.

I wish the other stealth section would just automatically reset you to a checkpoint at the beginning of them instead of having Dracula flail helplessly while those guards kill you in two or three shots. That is just poor design, not the sections their selves.

That way they could prompt you with a message about how it is important to their plot at the moment that Dracula went through this area undetected and then drive home that point and clear up the misconception about how Dracula didn't kill those dude 'cause he couldn't, but rather Dracula didn't kill those dudes because that's not how it happened.

Something akin to the game over paradox you got in Metal Gear Solid 3, if you kill Ocelot, since that game takes place before all the others, and Ocelot is in them, so he obviously didn't die at that point in time.

All of these sections weren't "Mercury Steam" anyway, they were just that one dude who's name I can never remember how to spell. The egotistical ass that heads the company. They were his idea and the rest of the team was pretty much "WTF" on it.

From a point, I can agree with him. Animal transformations, cunning, and possessions are definitely things that could and probably should be in a game where you play as Dracula, but there's an infinite amount of ways they could have been implemented and handled instead of this way.

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Post by: EstebanT on March 10, 2014, 09:05:58 AM
Anyone have artbook scans? Mine hasn't arrived yet. :(
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Post by: Intersection on March 10, 2014, 09:53:44 AM
If it can be flawlessly done in a 1:27 seconds, then the issue just comes down to player skill and capability. I did it pretty much the same way as the video, which to me is very straightforward and obvious. So if it just skill based, then the section is only as hard as you make it, and you can't really fault that part of the game since the problem is not with its design, but your approach.
The point is, if the game only allows for a single, rigidly defined approach, but does absolutely nothing to specifically lead you to it, then the problem is with the design, not the approach.

The Agreus segment, for instance, expects you to use your mist form to avoid stepping on leaves and to prevent Agreus from spotting you -- but the game entirely fails to explain or even suggest this. It prompts you to shoot shadow daggers and tells you to avoid stepping on leaves, but nowhere in the entire game, let alone the maze section, does it bother to explain your invisibility while using mist form. And for most, that isn't at all obvious: how are you supposed to guess that your enemies will be incapable of seeing a moving,  shimmering column of air?

It's a case of poor design which doesn't at all relate to player skill -- every gamer has his own set of ideas when it comes to solving a puzzle, and they often all seem valid in concept; so when a game ends up offering absolutely no way of separating right from wrong outside of potentially fatal trial and error, you really can't expect players to keep their calm.
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Post by: Dremn on March 10, 2014, 09:58:21 AM
Anyone have artbook scans? Mine hasn't arrived yet. :(
I've seen a few pics on tumblr but that's it.

I can't find the book anywhere in my area.
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Post by: Viskod on March 10, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
The point is, if the game only allows for a single, rigidly defined approach, but does absolutely nothing to specifically lead you to it, then the problem is with the design, not the approach.

The Agreus segment, for instance, expects you to use your mist form to avoid stepping on leaves and to prevent Agreus from spotting you -- but the game entirely fails to explain or even suggest this. It prompts you to shoot shadow daggers and tells you to avoid stepping on leaves, but nowhere in the entire game, let alone the maze section, does it bother to explain your invisibility while using mist form. And for most, that isn't at all obvious: how are you supposed to guess that your enemies will be incapable of seeing a moving,  shimmering column of air?

It's a case of poor design which doesn't at all relate to player skill -- every gamer has his own set of ideas when it comes to solving a puzzle, and they often all seem valid in concept; so when a game ends up offering absolutely no way of separating right from wrong outside of potentially fatal trial and error, you really can't expect players to keep their calm.

Why wouldn't you try Mist Form again? The last ability you got before you entered that area. When you're specifically told, stepping on the leaves will give you away. I mean, would you try to jump over them? Right? And the game didn't give you any tutorial prompts to jump over the leaves, but you'd try it anyway because, duh. Right? You're not supposed to step on them.

It alerts you to the bells because that is a thing specific to that environment that you don't normally have access to.

Its not the pinnacle of stealth mechanics by any means, but its certainly not broken either and the rate at which any given individual loses or keeps their calm is not the responsibility of the designers. They don't program for personality types.
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Post by: Flame on March 10, 2014, 12:01:31 PM
the room has leafless patches and ledges toshimmy accross. i assumed you jad to shimmy along the sides and hit bells on the clear spots.  however you cant jump from ledge to ledge, so i didn't know what to do. i just used the jump and run strategy.
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Post by: Intersection on March 10, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
Why wouldn't you try Mist Form again? The last ability you got before you entered that area. When you're specifically told, stepping on the leaves will give you away. I mean, would you try to jump over them? Right? And the game didn't give you any tutorial prompts to jump over the leaves, but you'd try it anyway because, duh. Right? You're not supposed to step on them.
It isn't as obvious as you make it out to be. Here are a few pointers:

First of all, you actually had to think of using your mist form in the first place, and since stealth sections tend to arbitrarily remove your in-game abilities, that thought doesn't always immediately come to mind. There happens to be an appreciable difference in logic between don't step --> jump and don't step --> turn into mist. It's nowhere near as intuitive.
As for leaving leaves untouched, I'd initially assumed that Dracula's mist form would rustle the leaves as he passed. Simple trial and error did set that straight, of course, but as I said it isn't entirely obvious.
And then there was the matter of Dracula's mist form invisibility. It took me almost half an hour to figure that one out, mostly because the conspicuous red blur Dracula appears as in mist form led me to think that he was entirely visible. I only ended up discovering this by accident, when I'd gotten stuck and caught trying to cross a set of tree roots that inexplicably formed an invisible wall.
Now, I'm not saying this because I consider every gamer to be incapable of figuring a puzzle out on his own. What I'm trying to explain is that Agreus's maze presented us with a rigid, unilaterally solvable puzzle, but without presenting us the necessary elements to solve it. And that, in my book, qualifies as poor design.

And that isn't the only instance of poor design the maze section suffers from -- there's the fact that the area is designed less like a maze and more like one large, linear corridor; there's the camera, which makes the entire process hard to visually keep track of, and which makes aiming daggers at the bells unnecessarily difficult.
There's also the fact that the stealth section is entirely unjustified; and then, of course, there's the fact that you have fight Agreus only a few moments later.

Its not the pinnacle of stealth mechanics by any means, but its certainly not broken either and the rate at which any given individual loses or keeps their calm is not the responsibility of the designers. They don't program for personality types.
That was a figure of speech, you know.
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Post by: Viskod on March 10, 2014, 01:10:36 PM
Its justified because Dracula says he does not want to fight Agreus, then at the top of the tower Agreus leaves him no choice. That is their justification.

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What I'm trying to explain is that Agreus's maze presented us with a rigid, unilaterally solvable puzzle, but without presenting us the necessary elements to solve it. And that, in my book, qualifies as poor design.

I know what you're trying to say, but this statement is not true. Otherwise, you would not be able to get past this area. But you can, because you do have everything you need at your disposal and more since you don't even have to use Mist Form in this area at all to pass it.

You're trying to shift the blame of the failing of the player to be intuitive to that of the developer for not holding your hand more.



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Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on March 10, 2014, 02:04:51 PM
OK, I am at the part where you are chasing Victor, and I'm stuck. I got to the part where Dracula takes off on that burning motor into the ruins, and dropped down some of the holes and returned to the city. Problem is, I can't seem to figure out how to get back to the ruins. How do you get back?

Thanks in advance!

EDIT: Never mind. I just figured out where to go.

P.S.: Has anyone noticed all of the graphic issues this game has? I was running around, and one of the posters on the wall was flickering when I got far away from it. When I got to that roof with the bridge that led to the motor room, I went to that room with the Pain Box that contained a Void Sword crystal. (it's the one with the broken ladders) Thing is, when I go to exit back to the roof, the flame and motor room is not rendering until I actually set foot outside of the room. Also, in that chain platform room in the city area, after I got the Health Pain Box, while trying to jump back up to progress onward, I get stuck in one of the pillars and can't get out, leading me to have to restart from the last checkpoint.

There were other glitches I've come across, (such as disappearing hatch doors) but I was curious if anyone else was experiencing these glitches. For those wondering, this is on the PS3 version of the game.
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Post by: Flame on March 10, 2014, 03:41:59 PM
Ive actually noticed a few texture glitches on the PC version as well. Only like 2, but I noticed them. You know those things that spin next to the map room doors? inside the map room? Yeah one of those was like, clipping with something else. it was weird.
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Post by: JR on March 11, 2014, 01:55:43 AM
Finished the game last night. The ending was okay...could be better, could be worse, I guess.
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Post by: uzo on March 11, 2014, 02:32:33 AM
At least difficulty was never a point of argument in the old series. Metroidvanias were cake walks, and the classicvanias gave you ball blisters.

Oh the old days...
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Post by: Viskod on March 11, 2014, 05:04:56 AM
Castlevania III was the only classic game where you didn't get a checkpoint at Dracula right? Where you actually had to go through the entire last level all over again? For the first Dracula to have three forms.
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Post by: derision on March 11, 2014, 05:08:51 AM
At least difficulty was never a point of argument in the old series. Metroidvanias were cake walks, and the classicvanias gave you ball blisters.

Oh the old days...


That's... what? Difficulty has always been a point of discussion in this series and even flared up with the Metroidvanias. You got the people who think the old games are too hard or just right, those who think that the Metroidvanias are too easy or just right, those who thought CotM was too hard, etc.

Even within those "ball blistering" classic games difficulty is a point of dispute. People complain about whether or not Rondo and CV4 are too easy, whether CV3 and Dracula X SNES are too punishing, why the CV2 bosses are pathetic, and so on.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 11, 2014, 02:23:33 PM
I think that the difficulty in the first 3 games is derived from the character movement, in wich the jumps, for example, need to be very accurate between platforms. The abscence of checkpoints (like in the new games) add difficult to the games, too.

In all metroidvanias, except CoTM we have a merchant, to who we can buy potions and items. I mean, if there any problems in our equipment or items, we only need to slain some enemies to gain money, so we can buy more potions, armor, weapons, etc. In CoTM we don´t have a merchant, so we can´t buy items or equip, only by defeat enemies.

In other words, I think that modern games (or gaming) we have easiest ways to finish its, being longer than the old ones. A game like Dark Souls its difficult, but we can use items, too. But, as always, its depends in the "experience" of a gamer...
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 11, 2014, 07:15:12 PM
You know my disappointment with this game seems to remind me of GoW3 and Mass effect 3. Whats up with end of modern game trilogies sucking.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 11, 2014, 07:23:42 PM
You know my disappointment with this game seems to remind me of GoW3 and Mass effect 3. Whats up with end of modern game trilogies sucking.

Exactly my thoughs. I think that most games want to be like the Hollywood movies, with cliffhanger endings, vague endings, post credits scenes...
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 11, 2014, 08:06:23 PM
You know I was thinking someone could mod this game and make it way better. Cut out stealth sections pretty easy to do actually. Cut out most of modern sections also pretty easy to do and  its way way better game. It would still be filled with crap at end but I think game could jump from 6-7 to a 7-8. You could also make it in way you fight victor and he shows you where second acolyte and then disappears. Ok that was random but at least he didn't die like a punk. The thing the whole point of game is Dracula to recover his powers. So Zobek stupid missions that don't really result in anything could be cut down to focus on Dracula dealing with morality and gaining his powers in the castle.
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Post by: e105beta on March 11, 2014, 08:09:25 PM
You know I was thinking someone could mod this game and make it way better. Cut out stealth sections pretty easy to do actually. Cut out most of modern sections also pretty easy to do and wallah its way way better game. You would still be filled with crap at end but I think game could jump from 6-7 to a 7-8. You could also make it in way you fight victor and he shows you where second acolyte and then disappears. Ok that was random but at least he didn't die like a punk. The thing the whole point of game is Dracula to recover his powers. So Zobek stupid missions that don't really result in anything could be cut down to focus on Dracula dealing with morality and gaining his powers in the castle.

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 - Fan CUT
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Post by: Trevorcard on March 11, 2014, 08:12:21 PM
It shame when a game or movie needs a fan cut but sometimes you realize man there is a lot of stuff in this game too bad it is buried under a lot of crap.
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Post by: Viskod on March 12, 2014, 06:48:57 AM
I think this games needs more than just cuts. I think the entire story structure needs to be re-worked.

At its base level, Zobek and Dracula working together temporarily to stop Satans return, that's fine. There being acolytes that Dracula needs to find and kill, that's fine to. There is definitely merit to Draculas castle still existing in a closed off space supported by his will alone and for him to be drawn there to show conflict between "Gabriel", his rage and hatred that calls itself "Dracula" and the vampiric blood that he drank from Laura, which originated from Carmilla.

Which I believe would have been a much better explanation for why Carmilla was in his castle. He drank Lauras blood, but Laura drank Carmillas blood, so a bit of Carmilla will always be with him, but that dumb as shit sub plot with her VS Marie was beyond stupid. I think Carmilla should have just represented his vampire nature, Inner Dracula should have been his hatred and rage, and represented by a dragon, and his human nature, what little is left could have been still represented by Marie and Trevor.

I would have preferred that by the end of the game, he learned to accept all three aspects of himself and decided against attempting suicide and accepted a sort of anti hero role of a force that keeps things like Zobek and Satan from completely destroying humanity, but I would have like for him to raise his castle from beneath the city, and reclaim his throne and decree that all who enter his domain will be considered his prey.

If done right, you could have both a closure for Draculas personal journey and this trilogy and still leave Konami room to work with the character without having such a ridiculous non-ending as the game has currently.

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Post by: Flame on March 12, 2014, 01:59:34 PM
I like that idea. Considering how fucking boned Humanity was, I doubt Dracula raising his castle right in the middle of the city would have hurt any more.

Although there WOULDNT be a city if he did that, considering the entire city takes the place of the huge ass castle.
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Post by: Intersection on March 12, 2014, 02:05:58 PM
It's not a bad idea, but it's hardly material for a satisfying conclusion. If anything, it'd be more of a "bring on the next games" pitch.

And was it just me or had the Dungeon been down for several hours?
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Post by: e105beta on March 12, 2014, 02:16:12 PM
It's not a bad idea, but it's hardly material for a satisfying conclusion. If anything, it'd be more of a "bring on the next games" pitch.

And was it just me or had the Dungeon been down for several hours?

I think it was. I had the same issue.

But I agree, though. That ending is better, but it's ultimately just a compromise to let Konami establish a post-LoS2 timeline...ugh.

I stand by my original suggested ending as being one of the best solutions to this game's narrative problems. Not exactly a "happy" ending, but it's not as abysmally depressing as the "original" ending, and it ties together all of the themes of the trilogy while both resolving Dracula's story and keeping the Belmont lineage alive.
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Post by: Intersection on March 12, 2014, 02:26:36 PM
At this rate, there should be an entirely separate thread for rewriting LoS2.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on March 12, 2014, 04:42:22 PM
I guess Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 patch 1.02 is to prepare the game for the next DLC. But anyone knows if fix any bugs or does something else?...
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Post by: Anglachel on March 12, 2014, 05:27:16 PM
After playing Lords of Shadow 2, the epilogue for the first game seems like a lot better game.  :rollseyes:

When I beat the first one, I imagined Dracula was just sitting on that throne for years, hoping that somehow he would die. After fighting century to century, Belmont to Belmont, through war after war after war, Dracula would finally decide to hide away and to stop wreaking havoc on the world. He grew cryptic, a shadow of himself. His once feared name was now ridiculed and mocked as a folk tale, a spook story for children. The living knew nothing about this undead warrior, hiding away in his derelict chapel. He no longer felt like the Dragon, but he feels at odds with God. He remembers everything that he has been through. His still yearns for his Marie. He remembers his son Alucard. He feels anger at him for helping the Belmonts, but still loves his son. His wrath on the world now feels empty. He realizes he has achieved nothing but torment. He begins to question his cursing of God, wondering if perhaps he was wrong about Him. But then one rainy day, a visitor arrives before him. Not to kneel or to battle, but there to strike a bargain with him. The angel Lucifer has not forgotten about what Gabriel and God did to him, and he plans his revenge on both of them. Zobek, knowing Satan will come after him too to reclaim his powers of death, offers Gabriel the chance to die if he helps him in his plan. Dracula feels no pity for Zobek, and hates him for what he did to him, but realizes that Zobek is his only chance to escape his unlife. Reluctantly, Dracula agrees to help Zobek. But Dracula is not going to fall for Zobek's plans again. When Dracula arises, his castle returns from the dead. It erects from the abyss, demolishing the city and replacing it with the glory and splendor of his fortress. Dracula does not expect Zobek to challenge him.

But, Dracula suspects that his ancestors have not given up in their quest. For tonight, Alucard awakens from his slumber. He slept when Dracula did not return as expected. Sheathing his Crissaegrim, Alucard goes in search of the Belmont that will join him in his quest to defeat Dracula again. Victor Belmont meets Alucard, and upon hearing the name Dracula, picks up his battle cross and gathers his allies to enter the castle and defeat the Prince of Darkness, as his lineage has been bound to do until Dracula is defeated forever.




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Post by: Ahasverus on March 12, 2014, 07:55:26 PM
Eh that was a little fan ficty. I liked the LoS version more. Gabriel didn't long for power anyway, that's not in his personality. His motives were clear enough. You know, that's something I liked about the LoS series, Gabriel didn't become a super monster or a different person, Dracula was a bitter Gabriel Belmont, but you could see Gabriel Belmont there.
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Post by: Anglachel on March 12, 2014, 08:35:28 PM
Well, I've been following this game for a long time, so to keep my busy I've always tried to come up with stories about why Gabriel was here and what happened in between the past and future. One of my biggest disappointments with Lords of Shadow 2 was how the Belmonts seem to be completely thrown under the bus. When it was first revealed, I thought the game would take place over many centuries, like each time period you would play in is like a mini Castlevania game, where a Belmont or group of vampire hunters go after Gabriel. Then it all builds up to the ending battle with Satan. But the Belmont family seemed to get no love in Lords of Shadow 2. Victor Belmont is there just to die, he doesn't really hunt Dracula. There's no other Belmonts talked or shown between Simon and Victor, which was very disappointing to me.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 12, 2014, 08:55:40 PM
For all we know the Belmont family got lots of adventures as they were the leaders of the brotherhood for a lot of time and they were very recognized in Castlevania city. I'm sure they could make a LoS Belmont game if they wanted focusing on Galamoth or something like that. I personally don't think Gabriel would have attacked another Belmont after Simon as seen by his rectlutance to harm Victor.
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Post by: Flame on March 12, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
For all we know the Belmont family got lots of adventures as they were the leaders of the brotherhood for a lot of time and they were very recognized in Castlevania city. I'm sure they could make a LoS Belmont game if they wanted focusing on Galamoth or something like that. I personally don't think Gabriel would have attacked another Belmont after Simon as seen by his rectlutance to harm Victor.

LoS2 Gabriel is also not the same as MoF Gabriel.

LoS2 Gabriel is out for redemption. he wants to die and wants it all to just end. MoF Gabriel is right at the start, while he's still really angry and permapissed at the brotherhood.

Also, he still fought Simon despite killing Trevor. He didn't seem to have his heart into it, but he followed due process anyway.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 13, 2014, 03:50:02 AM
He was pissed off, but he got soft after he saw Alucard alive I think. I really doubt he wanted to kill them in that fight.
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Post by: Viskod on March 13, 2014, 06:32:49 AM
Granted yes, my version would have destroyed the city, but I'm not going to be all broken up about that. I would have rather had the game take place all over the country that his castle resided in, if we're going to revisit modern areas, why not see some modern versions of the ruins of Agharta and whatever became of a place like the titan graveyard in modern times?

And have the city on top of the castle ruins, basically be the capital, so when Dracula raises his castle, he's basically claiming dominion over that country and all who decide to live there.

Yes, it would basically open the door for Konami to do more with the character, but I'm fine with that, I'd go so far to say I would prefer that.

There's no reason that this Dracula's personal journey and story has to end with his death or eternal torture by the brotherhood. I don't see any problem with Dracula accepting everything he's done, who he really is, making some kind of peace with Alucard, and accepting an anti hero role of a person who will stop forces like Zobek and Satan, but at the same time you stay the fuck out of his castle and off his lawn and don't screw around with his domain and in return he wont send hordes of monsters to destroy everything you love and personally rip out your throat with his teeth.

I'm not saying it had to be that way verbatim but I think its a general set up that would keep these incarnations of Dracula and Alucard alive so that they could be revisited in the future and still bring an end to the personal story of Dracula so that the next time we see him, we can do something totally different with him thematically and won't be retreading old ground.

I personally would love this, because I really like this Dracula as a character and I would love a game where he is confident and sure of who he is and what his role in the world is. Opposition could come from another evil force, a Belmont descendant who ignorantly blames Dracula for Victors death, or the remaining Brotherhood who despite Dracula defeating satan twice and saving the world, just won't tolerate a vampire as the savior of humanity and want to kill him regardless, or a cult of would be followers that turn against him because they're disappointed he's not evil enough, and I throw that one in there just because I want a LoS version of " ...the dark priest called Shaft."
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 13, 2014, 06:54:41 AM
That's an idea I can get behind to.
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Post by: EstebanT on March 13, 2014, 07:28:57 AM
The artbook has an entire section for weapons. But all it has is the dark pain and combat cross.... It's one page long.... It reminds me of victors appearance in the game.
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Post by: Dominus on March 13, 2014, 07:45:49 AM
does it have a Carmilla section?  ;D
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Post by: EstebanT on March 13, 2014, 08:59:11 AM
It does. It's also very small.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 13, 2014, 09:17:40 AM
Does anybody know the name of the track from the Inner Dracula battle?
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 13, 2014, 10:16:42 AM
Does anybody know the name of the track from the Inner Dracula battle?
Inner_Dracula_3, Nothing to Lose, untittled track, pick one :P
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 13, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
I don't have that track
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 13, 2014, 10:35:14 AM
Do you have the real soundtrack or the game file rip? It's Enough_talk_ g9 on the rip, nothing to lose is the classic track it's based on. A great moment in the game when it started playing, I got the chills (funFact: It also has the begining of "Tragic Prince")
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Post by: e105beta on March 13, 2014, 10:35:25 AM
I don't have that track

Enough Talk (Grand Battle) - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 OST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_z-M8kz0zM#ws)
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 13, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
I have the rip, so it's ''enough talk''?
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 13, 2014, 11:35:51 AM
thanks!! both o' ya
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 13, 2014, 09:28:44 PM
"You cannot help me, you're not here, you're not real". You can see he's about to cry. I'm watching that scene right now. Man Carlyle IS Dracula. Best Dracula scene in the game.
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Post by: e105beta on March 13, 2014, 10:05:39 PM
"You cannot help me, you're not here, you're not real". You can see he's about to cry. I'm watching that scene right now. Man Carlyle IS Dracula. Best Dracula scene in the game.

If only the game could have lived up to that scene.

There was so much good about that scene, and absolutely none of it got repeated/resolved.
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Post by: Dremn on March 13, 2014, 10:21:30 PM
Definitely worth sharing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcag34LD7Yw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcag34LD7Yw#ws)
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Post by: Flame on March 13, 2014, 11:52:50 PM
That was lovely.
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Post by: zaxiou on March 14, 2014, 12:39:50 AM
If only the game could have lived up to that scene.

There was so much good about that scene, and absolutely none of it got repeated/resolved.

It did in my imagination at least.

Still the game had so many good character moments, a little suspension of disbelief and it's immensely satisfying.
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Post by: e105beta on March 14, 2014, 12:47:49 AM
It did in my imagination at least.

Still the game had so many good character moments, a little suspension of disbelief and it's immensely satisfying.

For all my ragging on it, I did enjoy the game. It was very fun to play.

The ending was just extraordinarily unsatisfying and didn't tie up all the loose ends created by the game's underlying subplots. And for someone who was really enjoying the story, that is unforgivable.
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Post by: zaxiou on March 14, 2014, 01:11:19 AM
I agree about the ending, of all things it was very out of place. Which sucks as we know now how they originally intended to end Gabriel's story. I kept on speculating about Gabriel's story ever since I saw the Los1 ending, and now after seeing the ending I think we can at least disregard it and fill it with how we'd think Gabriel's story ended instead as we know MercurySteam won't change it. Now that MercurySteam Los has ended, it was an amazing ride with a lot of speculation even though they didn't deliver what they themselves had promised. Their version of Dracula was really good, second only to Bram Stoker's in my opinion.
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Post by: Viskod on March 14, 2014, 05:18:03 AM
I agree about the ending, of all things it was very out of place. Which sucks as we know now how they originally intended to end Gabriel's story. I kept on speculating about Gabriel's story ever since I saw the Los1 ending, and now after seeing the ending I think we can at least disregard it and fill it with how we'd think Gabriel's story ended instead as we know MercurySteam won't change it. Now that MercurySteam Los has ended, it was an amazing ride with a lot of speculation even though they didn't deliver what they themselves had promised. Their version of Dracula was really good, second only to Bram Stoker's Mel Brooks.

Fixed that for you.

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIisUDlMFsw7jCf60JcBJAmfG_mzRb61NQJMPDvsL6gapIRnSMdA)
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Post by: Maedhros on March 14, 2014, 02:44:57 PM
Sold less than 60k. B-b-BOMBA!
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 14, 2014, 02:53:56 PM
Sold less than 60k. B-b-BOMBA!
In the US, as always, lords didn't chart either. Sorry Mahedros.
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Post by: e105beta on March 14, 2014, 03:04:08 PM
In the US, as always, lords didn't chart either. Sorry Mahedros.

So, what, is Lawds's success all from mainland Europe?

(Also where are we getting these #s from?)
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Post by: crisis on March 14, 2014, 03:05:04 PM
"now that satan is dead [again], im going back to bed, see ya!"
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Post by: Kingshango on March 14, 2014, 03:24:56 PM
So, what, is Lawds's success all from mainland Europe?

(Also where are we getting these #s from?)

Gaf insider who has access to NPD numbers.

And considering it only sold 58k in 4 days in NA without counting digital sales (and maybe PC), that's not that horrible, could have been much better tho.
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Post by: e105beta on March 14, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Gaf insider who has access to NPD numbers.

And considering it only sold 58k in 4 days in NA without counting digital sales (and maybe PC), that's not that horrible, could have been much better tho.

If it's not counting PC, that's actually pretty good.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 14, 2014, 04:11:29 PM
It's only 4 days too. Actually that's good.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 14, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
So, what, is Lawds's success all from mainland Europe?

(Also where are we getting these #s from?)
Neogaf.

@Ahasverus

Sorry, but still sold WORSE than the first game, even on the US.

And you guys saying only 4 days... that's not sales work... Sales are frontloaded on 1~2 days only, if the game is popular enough, it'll have sold around 100k in one week, if the stock permits.

It's a bomba. Sorry. The point about PC is a good one though, we don't really know how many copies were digital. At the same point, Konami was already saying something about LoS1 sales, so... bomba. It sold worse than fucking Rayman, which is considered a big flop.
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Post by: Flame on March 14, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
Neogaf.

@Ahasverus

Sorry, but still sold WORSE than the first game, even on the US.
That doesn't mean it didnt sell well. I think selling worse than the first game was guaranteed, considering many people bought the first game on sheer hype alone, and not knowing what to expect. many of those people did NOT like what they got, and therefore didnt buy the other two.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 14, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
That doesn't mean it didnt sell well. I think selling worse than the first game was guaranteed, considering many people bought the first game on sheer hype alone, and not knowing what to expect. many of those people did NOT like what they got, and therefore didnt buy the other two.
Err... it means exactly that it sold badly, yes.

We just need PC figures, but I doubt it'll be any good for this game, though. Euro numbers aren't good too, considering the game didn't even charted there (but it's still the second best CV opening, meaning something worse than the first LoS there).

And BTW, what you said is exactly what I expected, that this game wouldn't sell better than the predecessor. But some people though I was saying crap or something...
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Post by: crisis on March 14, 2014, 05:23:03 PM
the forum banner needs to be updated with a 2D los-dracula sprite


make it happen dungeonites!
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Post by: beingthehero on March 14, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
Which NeoGaf thread is it? I can't find it.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 14, 2014, 05:42:02 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=784224 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=784224)
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Post by: Kingshango on March 14, 2014, 05:55:12 PM
So I've been playing the game again and I've made it up to Agreus. Am I going crazy or did the text before his stealth segement change after the recent patch? Because I don't ever recall it mentioning the use of mist to slip pass unnoticed.
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Post by: Asgardwolf on March 14, 2014, 06:04:06 PM
So I've been playing the game again and I've made it up to Agreus. Am I going crazy or did the text before his stealth segement change after the recent patch? Because I don't ever recall it mentioning the use of mist to slip pass unnoticed.
You are not crazy. It does now. I would like to know what else is new with this new patch...
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Post by: Flame on March 14, 2014, 06:41:37 PM
the forum banner needs to be updated with a 2D los-dracula sprite


make it happen dungeonites!
Also needs Simon and Trevor (and maybe Alucard?)
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Post by: EstebanT on March 14, 2014, 06:43:50 PM
The banner doesn't have different versions of the same character.
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Post by: Dremn on March 14, 2014, 06:50:18 PM
the forum banner needs to be updated with a 2D los-dracula sprite


make it happen dungeonites!
I've been thinking about making some LoS sprites eventually. I've never sprited anything Castlevania style but I'm willing to give it a shot.
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Post by: Flame on March 14, 2014, 07:55:15 PM
The banner doesn't have different versions of the same character.
But...
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Post by: Maedhros on March 14, 2014, 08:21:36 PM
But, is Kid Dracula Alucard or Dracula?
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 15, 2014, 12:18:54 AM
But, is Kid Dracula Alucard or Dracula?

Neither. hehehe.
He is a spoof character.
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Post by: thernz on March 15, 2014, 04:32:01 AM
banner needs satan
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Post by: Anglachel on March 15, 2014, 07:24:05 AM
Maybe we should throw in a Chupacabra too.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 15, 2014, 08:18:10 AM
A text file from the game data reveals Victor was called Julius during development.
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Post by: Anglachel on March 15, 2014, 08:44:53 AM
A text file from the game data reveals Victor was called Julius during development.

I remember Dave in an interview (can't recall which one) said that Victor was going to be Julius, but then they remembered that it was IGA's creation and that they wanted to respect him and his universe, so they changed it to Victor.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 15, 2014, 08:47:17 AM
Leak guy said IGA requested them to change is. Doesn't exactly line up with what Cox said, but it would make sense he wouldn't mention that juicy detail.
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Post by: crisis on March 15, 2014, 08:49:33 AM
who is this "leak guy" lol
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 15, 2014, 09:00:45 AM
This surprises no one.  I called it since his reveal. That speaks volumes of the troubles of this game, they started with Julius, sometime last year they rewrote him as Victor and included Sonia, then deleted Sonia and killed off Victor, that in 1 year.
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Post by: Dremn on March 15, 2014, 09:46:39 AM
This surprises no one.  I called it since his reveal. That speaks volumes of the troubles of this game, they started with Julius, sometime last year they rewrote him as Victor and included Sonia, then deleted Sonia and killed off Victor, that in 1 year.
Sonia Belmont would have been really cool to see.

I'm not mad about Julius, would have been lame to see them kill him off instead. Seriously, Victor's death is still the dumbest part of the entire story.
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Post by: Dominus on March 15, 2014, 10:51:13 AM
I still have some faith that concept art of Sonia will leak.

And thank goodness he was rewritten into being named Victor. To die in 30 secs would have been disrespectful indeed to Julius character. Thank you iga
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Post by: crisis on March 15, 2014, 12:47:58 PM
i dont knwo why i like this track so much, but i feel it accurately represents the grandiosity of not just the castle but the entire castlevania series itself

First Return to the Castle - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 OST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkYnJKmsKLM#ws)
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Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on March 15, 2014, 01:02:25 PM
Quote
A text file from the game data reveals Victor was called Julius during development.

Interesting. Any other interesting things in the files for the PC version, be it the original ending for the game or something pointing to a final boss fight with Satan himself? Unused text or unused <insert object here>? Does it mention anything about Victor's backstory? (which was said by Cox to parallel Gabriel's in that one interview on RelyonHorror)
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 15, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
LoS2 OST is so good. Top 5 of the series for me.
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Post by: Anglachel on March 15, 2014, 07:50:10 PM
i dont knwo why i like this track so much, but i feel it accurately represents the grandiosity of not just the castle but the entire castlevania series itself

First Return to the Castle - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 OST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkYnJKmsKLM#ws)

It's funny. When I first heard that, I instantly thought of the classic games. I thought of the Marble Gallery in Symphony of the Night, the Chapel in Circle of the Moon, Chapel of Dissonance in Harmony of Dissonance. It's actually does a good job of bringing out the grandeur of Dracula's castle.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 16, 2014, 12:21:14 AM
Huehuehuehue (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FGQe2goL.jpg&hash=879a762a636cdd62d022ed002c2cb846)
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Post by: Intersection on March 16, 2014, 08:40:41 AM
Huehuehuehue
So I wasn't the only one to notice that? Good.

LoS2 OST is so good. Top 5 of the series for me.
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Really? In musical terms, the LoS saga hits the absolute bottom of my list.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 16, 2014, 08:48:59 AM
Tastes.
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Post by: Intersection on March 16, 2014, 08:53:29 AM
Probably.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 16, 2014, 10:00:07 AM
Interesting. Any other interesting things in the files for the PC version, be it the original ending for the game or something pointing to a final boss fight with Satan himself? Unused text or unused <insert object here>? Does it mention anything about Victor's backstory? (which was said by Cox to parallel Gabriel's in that one interview on RelyonHorror)
Nothing else, apart the total content of the DLC (I talked about it in another thread).

The Julius thing is more of a "mistake" from the dev, they just forgot to change it to Victor in a file.
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Post by: Anglachel on March 16, 2014, 02:43:16 PM
It would be nice to know when Mirror of Fate & Lords of Shadow 2 avatars are coming to PSN, if ever.
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Post by: Flame on March 16, 2014, 11:47:12 PM
@kiddracul Dave, I've been wondering, if Dracul wants but cannot die, why do I keep getting killed? I mean, I get killed, I win, right?


@GodiePeCo - No you just resurrect again. True death requires the vampire killer




heh.

but basically "videogame logic"
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Post by: Viskod on March 17, 2014, 05:18:35 AM
While I have no doubt Konami probably expected this game to sell more copies than LoS1, and that its not going to hit the sales projections that they have, you can't really call the game a complete bomb based on 4 days in one region on two out of three platforms in said region.

Also, you would need to know just exactly how many copies sold Konami wanted it to reach for relevance. I seriously doubt they are expecting Metal Gear Solid type numbers with something like Castlevania.

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Post by: Terin on March 17, 2014, 09:30:16 AM
So, one question for folks on the ending of LoS2 -- and impressions on it (which might be better suited to its own topic):

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I wonder if it just shows no redemption -- that he and Alucard will be as they are now, forever?  But he tries to be "optimistic" and convince his son (since he now is reconnected with him) that everything is going to be OK.
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Post by: derision on March 17, 2014, 09:41:28 AM
It looked like a smile to me, although I'm not sure what that conveys exactly. It's more noticeable with the armored skin because of his mustache.

I like to think that when he looked into the mirror, he saw himself breaking the mirror. Haha.

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Post by: zaxiou on March 17, 2014, 10:09:28 AM
So, one question for folks on the ending of LoS2 -- and impressions on it (which might be better suited to its own topic):

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I wonder if it just shows no redemption -- that he and Alucard will be as they are now, forever?  But he tries to be "optimistic" and convince his son (since he now is reconnected with him) that everything is going to be OK.

It was probably a 'Well screw you, you all showing reflective prick' smile. I think he probably saw Alucard going against him in the mirror or something along those lines. Gabriel's story has sort of always been driven by fate till him becoming Dracul. And now that he had enough of something else controlling his destiny he broke it.
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Post by: cardrac on March 17, 2014, 07:38:28 PM
http://forum.nordicgames.at/showthread.php?178155-Darksiders/page117 (http://forum.nordicgames.at/showthread.php?178155-Darksiders/page117)

Don't know if anyone's seen this, but if you scroll down to post #1748 it looks like Satans second form or true form of a multi headed dragon. DLC form maybe? Or scrapped idea??
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 17, 2014, 08:13:06 PM
We called that the last battle was going to be Dragon vs Dragon. Man the game is probably nothing like they planned at the beginning.
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Post by: Viskod on March 17, 2014, 08:28:35 PM
Or they could be different Leviathan concepts.
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Post by: cardrac on March 17, 2014, 09:17:32 PM
Sucks to wonder how much we were actually deprived of  :'(
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Post by: KaZudra on March 17, 2014, 10:34:05 PM
I dunno Cox did state the we were going to control the dragon from pretty early in development...

This could have been that glorious final battle that now is the void in our hearts at the end of the game...
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 17, 2014, 11:39:28 PM
I dunno Cox did state the we were going to control the dragon from pretty early in development...

This could have been that glorious final battle that now is the void in our hearts at the end of the game...

Cox has awesome fire proof pants. Nuff said.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 18, 2014, 01:11:17 AM
Considering the choatic development of the game, it is very possible a lot changed during the production of the game.

Cox might have been able to give advice or ideas, he's not the ultimate boss of MS.
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Post by: Viskod on March 18, 2014, 05:35:58 AM
Him saying we were going to 'control the dragon' could have been in relation to the Dragon Crest item, and Mercury Steam telling him "Yeah we're going to have an item that lets Dracula turn into a Dragon."
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Post by: Intersection on March 18, 2014, 12:39:45 PM
Optional bosses. Optional story elements. A seamless world. A game that matches LoS in scale and scope. Classic Castlevania music.

Let's add "controllable Dragon" to the list, shall we?
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 18, 2014, 12:44:03 PM
Optional bosses. Optional story elements. A seamless world. A longer game than LoS. Classic Castlevania music.

Let's add "controllable Dragon" to the list, shall we?
Classic music is true.
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Post by: Intersection on March 18, 2014, 12:45:45 PM
Classic music is true.
Do tell.
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Post by: Viskod on March 18, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
Castlevania 1 Dracula theme is definitely in the game.

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Post by: Intersection on March 18, 2014, 01:09:00 PM
Castlevania 1 Dracula theme is definitely in the game.


I must have missed it, then. Track name?
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Post by: crisis on March 18, 2014, 01:15:50 PM
final los2 trailer: "BREAK THE CURSE OF IMMORTALITY"
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Post by: Viskod on March 18, 2014, 01:17:03 PM
I must have missed it, then. Track name?

I do not know the name of the track, but its part of the one that plays when you fight Inner Dracula, and it also shows up during the Kleidos Challanges.

EDIT: Its Enough Talk (Grand Battle) The theme starts at 32 seconds in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_z-M8kz0zM&list=PLjpCQ7mEEYOh6LbadgYTxWgLO58gSEgf- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_z-M8kz0zM&list=PLjpCQ7mEEYOh6LbadgYTxWgLO58gSEgf-)
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Post by: e105beta on March 18, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
I do not know the name of the track, but its part of the one that plays when you fight Inner Dracula, and it also shows up during the Kleidos Challanges.

EDIT: Its Enough Talk (Grand Battle) The theme starts at 32 seconds in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_z-M8kz0zM&list=PLjpCQ7mEEYOh6LbadgYTxWgLO58gSEgf- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_z-M8kz0zM&list=PLjpCQ7mEEYOh6LbadgYTxWgLO58gSEgf-)

The same song has the intro to "Tragic Prince" at 1:04

final los2 trailer: "BREAK THE CURSE OF IMMORTALITY"

I really do think the ending is the result of Konami suits getting greedy and not wanting the series to end. The entire game, the ENTIRE game, set Gabriel up to die and be redeemed at the end, but no, he's just happy to live being buddybuddy with Buddycard.

Bullshit.
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Post by: Dremn on March 18, 2014, 02:43:04 PM
I really do think the ending is the result of Konami suits getting greedy and not wanting the series to end. The entire game, the ENTIRE game, set Gabriel up to die and be redeemed at the end, but no, he's just happy to live being buddybuddy with Buddycard.

Bullshit.
Dracula outliving the Belmont clan is just not a fulfilling ending at all.
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Post by: EstebanT on March 18, 2014, 03:04:18 PM
I used to be pretty upset about the way all three LOS games treated classic CV music. But I changed my mind after I realized it hadn't been that long since Konami released HoD. And its got like 30000 remixes. They were all pretty good in my opinion.
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Post by: e105beta on March 18, 2014, 04:15:26 PM
Dracula outliving the Belmont clan is just not a fulfilling ending at all.

Nope. Victor represent.

#TheBelmontWhoLived
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Post by: Flame on March 18, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
I used to be pretty upset about the way all three LOS games treated classic CV music. But I changed my mind after I realized it hadn't been that long since Konami released HoD. And its got like 30000 remixes. They were all pretty good in my opinion.
I can't understand how people like HD's remixes. They are almost ALL generic hard rock remixes. I can't stand it. They ruined some of the themes by turning them into rock.
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Post by: Kamirine on March 18, 2014, 04:16:45 PM
The same song has the intro to "Tragic Prince" at 1:04

I really do think the ending is the result of Konami suits getting greedy and not wanting the series to end. The entire game, the ENTIRE game, set Gabriel up to die and be redeemed at the end, but no, he's just happy to live being buddybuddy with Buddycard.

Bullshit.

If MercurySteam isn't making it, I want no more Lords.  It's a nice three games with a questionable ending, but it really doesn't need to be milked.  I really hope Konami doesn't do this.
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Post by: crisis on March 18, 2014, 04:29:30 PM
the milking will begin with the DLC. i only intend on buying the alucard stuff & nothing else, unless its story-related
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Post by: Dremn on March 18, 2014, 08:11:35 PM
the milking will begin with the DLC. i only intend on buying the alucard stuff & nothing else, unless its story-related
I keep forgetting the DLC is out soon.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 18, 2014, 10:19:30 PM
Dracula outliving the Belmont clan is just not a fulfilling ending at all.
This is my biggest problem. Please be Sonia the hidden Victor daughter, please.
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Post by: Viskod on March 19, 2014, 04:42:39 AM
I think maybe by the end of the game Gabriel was supposed to be considered "Gabriel Belmont" again, since Victors dying words were "now you are the last Belmont".

It didn't exactly turn out that way in the nature of the plot though,

In a way its hard for me to criticize the game because its not you can say "oh well they made an honest mistake here..." after you find out everything was shoehorned into place by an egomaniac. There was nothing else that could have been done because he had total creative control.
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Post by: beingthehero on March 19, 2014, 05:38:25 AM
If MercurySteam isn't making it, I want no more Lords.  It's a nice three games with a questionable ending, but it really doesn't need to be milked.  I really hope Konami doesn't do this.

But consider the emaciated cow with the shriveled udders that is the Metal Gear series. Konami's most likely gonna milk it for what's it worth now.
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Post by: Viskod on March 19, 2014, 05:55:45 AM
The Metal Gear series has had 26 games since 1987 including re-releases and remakes.

The Castlevania series has had 41 games since 1986 including the same.

In terms of milking it would seem the Castlevania cow is in worse shape.

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Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on March 19, 2014, 06:30:01 AM
But consider the emaciated cow with the shriveled udders that is the Metal Gear series. Konami's most likely gonna milk it for what's it worth now.

I love you bit gotta disagree, babe.  Shhh, don't cry, I'll still buy you lunch.  But Metal Gear is one of the few games that arguably today is still a beautifully well crafted game.  Okay, the two hour prologue for 30 bucks can be seen as a money grab but to be fair--no, it's stupid.  But a lot of companies may be seen as going 'overboard' with DLC content, etc. lately.  So why not Konami I guess.
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Post by: Dremn on March 19, 2014, 03:12:30 PM
They should get Robert Carlyle to reprise the role of Dracula in the next reboot. He's awesome.
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Post by: e105beta on March 19, 2014, 03:26:49 PM
They should get Robert Carlyle to reprise the role of Dracula in the next reboot. He's awesome.

I agree. I know it's probably a bit expensive, but I'd prefer if Konami attempted to keep some of the voice acting talent that worked on these games.

Much better than going back to the typical anime VA crowd (Yuri Lowenthal, Crispin Freeman, Patrick Seitz, etc.)
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Post by: Flame on March 19, 2014, 03:32:43 PM
I'm actually kind of upset they never actually used Krispin Freeman for Dracula. Just Mathias. And I'm not terribly attached to his other voices.

Robert Carlyle IS good though.
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Post by: crisis on March 19, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
sometimes i think Robert Carlyle was too soft-spoken as dracula.. he sounded the most menacing as inner-dracula

i feel this guy did the best Dracula voice thus far, perfect tone, pitch, so evil sounding

21. Curse of Darkness- Dracula (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP5TKOC6_5M#)
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Post by: e105beta on March 19, 2014, 03:38:08 PM
I'm actually kind of upset they never actually used Krispin Freeman for Dracula. Just Mathias. And I'm not terribly attached to his other voices.

Robert Carlyle IS good though.

His voice is so distinct though, and he's not good at masking it. I feel like if they had him voice Dracula, I'd be too busy hearing Regal, Itachi, or Togusa
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Post by: Flame on March 19, 2014, 03:41:32 PM
sometimes i think Robert Carlyle was too soft-spoken as dracula.. he sounded the most menacing as inner-dracula

i feel this guy did the best Dracula voice thus far, perfect tone, pitch, so evil sounding

21. Curse of Darkness- Dracula (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP5TKOC6_5M#)
I actually don't really like that Dracula.

I agree though, if Carlyle hammed it up a bit more like with inner Dracula, that would be fantastic.
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Post by: e105beta on March 19, 2014, 03:46:10 PM
I actually don't really like that Dracula.

I agree though, if Carlyle hammed it up a bit more like with inner Dracula, that would be fantastic.

IMO, his voice doesn't have a lot of "character" if that makes any sense.

He just sounds...evil.
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Post by: crisis on March 19, 2014, 03:48:45 PM
the inner-dracula voice might be the result of post-production editing, kinda like how Nolan's crew edited Bale's voice in post-production to sound the way it did in TDK
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Post by: Dremn on March 19, 2014, 03:54:08 PM
Inner Dracula sounded awesome, I love his lines from the Dracula's Vengeance trailer.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 19, 2014, 03:58:20 PM

i feel this guy did the best Dracula voice thus far, perfect tone, pitch, so evil sounding

21. Curse of Darkness- Dracula

Agree with this. Also, I like the Dracula´s voice from Order of Ecclesia. Its glad to hear their voices in both games while fighting :P
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 19, 2014, 04:00:10 PM
Come on Carlyle is GOAT. What a perfect  actor. The scene with Marie was powerful as fuck as it was most of the time. Definitive Dracula.
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Post by: Dremn on March 19, 2014, 04:15:15 PM
Come on Carlyle is GOAT. What a perfect  actor. The scene with Marie was powerful as fuck as it was most of the time. Definitive Dracula.
That whole scene when he first meets Marie again was awesome.

"I AM NO LONGER GABRIEL, WOMAN."

Fuck it, Carlyle should absolutely reprise the role. In the reboot they can even nod to his former name being Gabriel even if it's a new canon.
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Post by: Viskod on March 19, 2014, 06:09:12 PM
Freeman also voiced Hector in CoD.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 20, 2014, 11:59:46 AM
There is a guy writing Fan fiction of LOS related stories and I think that they are good. They are a little cheesy in some parts, but nice. Here is the link if any of you is interested. Still hoping for a Victor DLC :p

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10126863/1/Red-Road (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10126863/1/Red-Road)
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Post by: Somacula on March 20, 2014, 12:12:24 PM
Theory time. I just went through the Alucard boss fight again and realized something. What if Satan was just using Alucard's body as a human shield and nothing more? While fighting in Al's body, he shows none of Al's native abilities, and goes outright weird with the shadow attacks. Then there's the dialogue saying that Gabe is actually harming his son and not the one possessing it. According to the text, Satan is using whatever means to take advantage of his situation and being able to attack while remaining unharmed seems to fit the bill. Add in the potential mind-screw of making Gabriel attack his own son, and it totally fits Satan's character. Of course, my problem was with how he didn't use Light/Shadow magic when it was established that he could do that in the first game. The fight would have been much better had that been included.

I guess the confrontation could stand for a symbolic battle between the LoS universe's biggest evils as well. One is an evil being created by his emptiness (void) and rage (chaos) while the other is the pitch black, irredeemable type of evil. Gabriel may have gained his sense of humanity back with his son, but this doesn't change that Dracula is still a monster who committed atrocious acts against humanity. Since he essentially rules the world of man after killing Satan, the LoS universe must be a terrible place to live in now.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 20, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
I'd prefer a non-British sounding Dracula. Scottish or English, just nah. I'd give extra points if they actually went all out and got a Romanian actor(or even Hungarian actor) for a reboot Dracula. Give me that good eastern European sound!!!
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 20, 2014, 02:49:31 PM
Alucard's DLC trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZSBnxBPhDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZSBnxBPhDI)
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Post by: Intersection on March 20, 2014, 03:13:57 PM
So I've reached 100%. I've grown tired of battling the same enemies for hours at a time, which is why I'll probably let a few days pass before I begin a Prince of Darkness run. I'll also start writing my review tonight -- ideally, it'll be finished in a week.

Now that my final impressions have set in, though, there's one thing that needs to be said: LoS2 is one of the most disappointing games I've played in years. Which doesn't necessarily mean that it's terrible; it only means that the sheer volume of potential this game has wasted is astounding. And that's deeply regrettable.
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Post by: crisis on March 20, 2014, 04:21:22 PM
even when bacon's involved, it still doesnt make sense. you see? alucard tells dracula that together they can destroy zobek y Satan forever, but upon climax, theres no indication that has happened. zobek "dies" from being stabbed with the Void Sword and broken into pieces. so whats exactly stopping him from just resurrecting from that? we are supposed to believe that was enough to destroy him, despite being the "lord of the dead" and being burnt to a crisp a thousand years prior?

when Satan is "killed," his corpse just lies there, and presumably his soul is sent back to hell. how is that being "destroyed forever" like Alucard originally implied they could do? he made it seem like there was a special spell that was discovered by the brotherhood that would not only stop zobek/satan, but obliterate their very existence. they coulda somehow tied this theoretical incantation back to the God/Devil masks from los1, but nope. they were just random McGuffins, forget about those artifacts. maybe they coulda had Dracula put on the Devil Mask and absorb Zobek/satan's power into himself, thus rendering them severely depowered & taking them out that way. i dunno, thats just off the top of my head. literally ANYTHING wouldve been more satisfying than what we actually got. Satans battle and defeat in los1 was way more epic, but thats still not saying much

it irks me even more that cox/alvarez are seemingly fine with that bullshit. poor writing at its finest
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Post by: Viskod on March 20, 2014, 04:54:47 PM
You know satan is gone because he was killed with the vampire killer and it's super duper holiness and stuff. Really. Zobek to. They just are because that's what the plot intended.
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Post by: crisis on March 20, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
b-but satan was "killed" with the vk the first time and he still came back. where did it say zobek can be permanently killed with the void sword?
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Post by: Viskod on March 20, 2014, 06:20:41 PM
b-but satan was "killed" with the vk the first time and he still came back. where did it say zobek can be permanently killed with the void sword?

No he wasn't. He was zapped by a pillar of holy light. He's literally staked with it in the scone game. "You'd be surprised what that can kill."
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Post by: e105beta on March 20, 2014, 06:40:30 PM
Zobek was stabbed with the Void Sword, not the Vampire Killer. Unless he has an RPGish weakness to ice and a resistance to fire, there's no reason to believe him dead (THOUGH MAYBE THAT'S INTENTIONAL)

As for Satan, I don't see how a holy beam of God power is less holy than the Vampire Killer.
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Post by: Viskod on March 20, 2014, 06:47:16 PM
Because it's their fictional world and that's how they wrote it. It is what it is whether we think if makes sense or not.

Why can Dracula be killed by doves? Because. That's why.
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Post by: crisis on March 20, 2014, 06:53:56 PM
and i dont see nothing wrong with saying how illogical it all is & theorizing how it coulda been otherwise, so why are you all like "ITS THEIR STORY STOP DEBATING IT JUST ACCEPT IT BLINDLY"

this is what we do here, ya know
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Post by: e105beta on March 20, 2014, 07:00:43 PM
Because it's their fictional world and that's how they wrote it. It is what it is whether we think if makes sense or not.

Why can Dracula be killed by doves? Because. That's why.

The cop-out of all cop-outs.

It's not Adventure Time. If they're going to create a story to be taken seriously, I'm going to take it seriously. With that comes the stipulation that things need to make sense
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Post by: Viskod on March 20, 2014, 07:04:41 PM
It's not a cop out at all. Zobek was frozen and shattered, Satan was staked with the Vampire Killer, and they're both dead because the game says so, like it or not.

They can also be brought back in a sequel because "reasons" if wanted to. That's just how it is. I'm not saying you have to like it.
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Post by: EstebanT on March 20, 2014, 07:06:16 PM
The cop-out of all cop-outs.

It's not Adventure Time. If they're going to create a story to be taken seriously, I'm going to take it seriously. With that comes the stipulation that things need to make sense

Dude, bad example. Have you watched Adventure time?
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Post by: e105beta on March 20, 2014, 07:21:42 PM
It's not a cop out at all. Zobek was frozen and shattered, Satan was staked with the Vampire Killer, and they're both dead because the game says so, like it or not.

They can also be brought back in a sequel because "reasons" if wanted to. That's just how it is. I'm not saying you have to like it.

The game never said so. That's part of the problem. It implied so, but gave no reasons why the implication should be taken beyond "because I said so". But even if Zobek walked out and said "This weapon is more powerful than God", it would still be bad writing. There's something called suspension of disbelief, and it requires more than absolute submission by the viewer/reader.

And you're right, it is perfectly within MercurySteam's power to write whatever shitty ending they want, but the "because they can" doesn't excuse the writing or the plot holes.

Dude, bad example. Have you watched Adventure time?

Yes? I've watched the whole series. It's a great show. What's your point?
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Post by: EstebanT on March 20, 2014, 07:29:29 PM
Yes? I've watched the whole series. It's a great show. What's your point?
Do you not think it makes sense?

I wish they could've at least told us how the fuck zobek survived being lit on fire, i mean... He is Death, he has mastery over dying, makes sense... but then the void sword thing...
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Post by: e105beta on March 20, 2014, 07:37:17 PM
Do you not think it makes sense?

I wish they could've at least told us how the fuck zobek survived being lit on fire, i mean... He is Death, he has mastery over dying, makes sense... but then the void sword thing...

In what sense? In the sense that it has a plot that I can follow? Sure, it makes plenty of sense. In the sense that that the hows and whys of the world are well explained? No, it's completely absurd, but that's part of the charm.

As for Zobek, because they said so ;)
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Post by: crisis on March 20, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
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I wish they could've at least told us how the fuck zobek survived being lit on fire, i mean... He is Death, he has mastery over dying, makes sense... but then the void sword thing...

eggsactly, if he could survive being lit on fire from within, then why cant he survive being shattered to pieces. this was supposed to be the end-all game, give him a spectacular death so that despite him being "lord of the dead," we know he wont come back. i woulda even accepted them trapping his spirit within the Devil Mask and dracula or alucard saying "ill hold onto this from now on," since thats what he used in los1. or maybe his good half in heaven would somehow come back & do something to destroy his evil half. his ultimate defeat was just too basic, but nowhere near as lackluster as satan's

destroying satan forever is a lil more tricky, because how do u obliterate the source of evil? woulda been cool if they had Dracula actually FEED on satan, absorbing his power into himself, leaving satan a withered corpse. then maybe alucard would then stab him with the Crissaegrim again
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Post by: Viskod on March 20, 2014, 08:27:49 PM
Unless it's in their lore entry then your right it's never explicitly stated, but I would say they imply it with extreme prejudice.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 20, 2014, 08:30:35 PM
eggsactly, if he could survive being lit on fire from within, then why cant he survive being shattered to pieces. this was supposed to be the end-all game, give him a spectacular death so that despite him being "lord of the dead," we know he wont come back. i woulda even accepted them trapping his spirit within the Devil Mask .
Alvarez actually explained it on twitter. Zobek didn't die because Necromancers can keep theit vital escence in an object (yeah like in Harry Potter) and in Zobek's case it was... the Devil mask. That's why it "survived" the fire and he regenerated from there. So yes, you guessed right. And judging by his smile after his imapalement, he probably did it again.
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Post by: EstebanT on March 20, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
Alvarez actually explained it on twitter. Zobek didn't die because Necromancers can keep theit vital escence in an object (yeah like in Harry Potter) and in Zobek's case it was... the Devil mask. That's why it "survived" the fire and he regenerated from there. So yes, you guessed right. And judging by his smile after his imapalement, he probably did it again.
As fucking stupid as that is... Why was that not explained in game?
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Post by: Viskod on March 20, 2014, 08:36:49 PM
I just realized what a fun twist it would be if that Vampire Killer was a fake and Zobek used it as a new object to keep his life force in, or if he managed to use the actual one because of some reason related to Gabriel's corruption and his destruction of it in the first game.

I also wanted Dracula to realize the light that banished satan in the first game was Gabriel ascending to heaven like the other founders of the brotherhood and what was left on earth in the ending was his shadow of rage, guilt, and spite and this amalgamation never knew he was not the real Gabriel.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 20, 2014, 08:38:19 PM
I just realized what a fun twist it would be if that Vampire Killer was a fake and Zobek used it as a new object to keep his life force in, or if he managed to use the actual one because of some reason related to Gabriel's corruption and his destruction of it in the first game.

I also wanted Dracula to realize the light that banished satan in the first game was Gabriel ascending to heaven like the other founders of the brotherhood and what was left on earth in the ending was his shadow of rage, guilt, and spite and this amalgamation never knew he was not the real Gabriel.

Yikes. I smell sequel. Nooooooooo!  :o
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Post by: Viskod on March 20, 2014, 08:44:19 PM
Heh I just off the cuff wrote a better plot for LoS2 than Alvarez. I wish that was something to actually be able to brag about though.
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Post by: e105beta on March 20, 2014, 08:50:32 PM
Alvarez actually explained it on twitter. Zobek didn't die because Necromancers can keep theit vital escence in an object (yeah like in Harry Potter) and in Zobek's case it was... the Devil mask. That's why it "survived" the fire and he regenerated from there. So yes, you guessed right. And judging by his smile after his imapalement, he probably did it again.

So he's a lich? With a phylactery and everything?

See, if that had been IN THE GAME, that's a great explanation. It also means, that, yes, he probably still is alive, since the Devil Mask is still floating around somewhere.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 20, 2014, 08:52:36 PM
As fucking stupid as that is... Why was that not explained in game?
Seems like the Final Fantasy XIII way of storytelling.

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Post by: Ahasverus on March 20, 2014, 09:33:52 PM
I also wanted Dracula to realize the light that banished satan in the first game was Gabriel ascending to heaven like the other founders of the brotherhood and what was left on earth in the ending was his shadow of rage, guilt, and spite and this amalgamation never knew he was not the real Gabriel.
This is a common fan fiction i despise with all my heart. That would ruin Dracul's character. He was never evil here anyway, he hated the brotherhood, but didn't hate whole humanity. He got his LOS with Inner Dracula I think. Also your theory is very predictable. I wouldn't call it a "better plot" at all, it's fan fictish.

See, if that had been IN THE GAME, that's a great explanation. It also means, that, yes, he probably still is alive, since the Devil Mask is still floating around somewhere.
I think the new "Horocrux" is the Vampire Killer.

Alvarez seems to have the plot very well planned, he answers stuff about little details in twitter all the time. Sadly he can't write it in game for some reason. But scrolls with portal jokes are toatlly neccessary rite guys?

Another thing, Cox now says that Dracula at the ending is the RULER of the earth, how cool a last shot with Dracula at the throne watching HIS world under his power would be? With the little doubt at the end if he's using his power for good or evil? That would cost like 20 days of work. But alas.
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Post by: e105beta on March 20, 2014, 09:50:56 PM
I just wanted to "BREAK THE CURSE OF IMMORTALITY"

I never got what was advertised.
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Post by: Viskod on March 20, 2014, 09:52:31 PM
Well I wouldn't have thought of it if they didn't have a random beam of light shoot out of him into the heavens. At the time I kind of just figured that's what they were setting up.
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Post by: SSBBfan666 on March 20, 2014, 09:53:18 PM
and Alucard could be on the side hunting down remnants of Satan's army while dual wielding the SHIT out of the Crissaegrim and Masamune like the badass he is, occasionally he would join his father in some father-son bonding; like bowling, watching movies, sparring, and more.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 20, 2014, 10:04:46 PM
Well I wouldn't have thought of it if they didn't have a random beam of light shoot out of him into the heavens. At the time I kind of just figured that's what they were setting up.
That was the power of God *Alvarez Twitter too*. I wonder if that's when God "abandons" Gabriel.
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Post by: crisis on March 20, 2014, 10:13:21 PM
everything is just so conflicting tho. dracula said the castle has been his home for centuries, and now all he wants to do is escape, but doesnt. he defeats his inner dracula, but not really, so the sole purpose of that fight was to give us the double jump ability & nothing more. he goes on fetch quest to piece together the mirror of fate, only to shatter it again. he tells trevor that he chooses his family, but now according to cox chooses to rule earth instead

what they shoulda done was make an ending that was an homage to the Bram Stokers Dracula movie by after having an epic battle with Satan, a near-death drac says "where is my God.. he has forsaken me" then we see a vision of Marie reaching for him, he turns to Alucard (shoulda been Victor) asks him to "give me peace" then he shoves the combat cross/crissaegrim/whatever through his heart
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Post by: Flame on March 20, 2014, 11:49:45 PM
Well I wouldn't have thought of it if they didn't have a random beam of light shoot out of him into the heavens. At the time I kind of just figured that's what they were setting up.
Gabe was supercharged by the souls of the dead and holy power and shit. that was all that crap leaving him, and incinerating Satan in the process.
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Post by: Viskod on March 21, 2014, 05:00:58 AM
That was the power of God *Alvarez Twitter too*. I wonder if that's when God "abandons" Gabriel.

Oh well, that would have been nice to know at the time to put the scene in better context.

everything is just so conflicting tho. dracula said the castle has been his home for centuries, and now all he wants to do is escape, but doesnt. he defeats his inner dracula, but not really, so the sole purpose of that fight was to give us the double jump ability & nothing more. he goes on fetch quest to piece together the mirror of fate, only to shatter it again. he tells trevor that he chooses his family, but now according to cox chooses to rule earth instead

He got tired of living there and being Dracul, He doesn't defeat Inner Dracula so much as he subdues it. Inner Dracula is his vampiric blood and his rage combined and in his weakened state from waking up after so long was trying to take him over completely and erase what little humanity (Marie and Trevor) he had left in him. Or that was my understanding of it.

He pieces together the Mirror of Fate so that he can fully remember what happened to him, and also to open that door behind his throne room. He shatters the mirror because Konami made them change the ending and they didn't know what to do.
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Post by: flyingchai on March 21, 2014, 05:52:54 AM
Alvarez said that he believes Zobek IS dead, but how one "never really knows with necromancers" who tend to keep their life essence in a safe place.

It's just one of those things that all open for debate.
Zobek's laughter before being frozen and shatter to me suggests that he is not truly dead and just went back to hiding in "The Kingdom of the Lifeless."
If he were to resurrect though, he probably wouldn't be foolish enough to try challenging Dracula again.
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Post by: Intersection on March 21, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
Are we still trying to justify LoS2's plot? Look, I didn't want to spoil it for all of you, but here's the official epilogue, brought to us by an anonymous leaker:

"And so it was that both Death and Satan were permanently destroyed, putting an end to the ageless suffering of humanity. For from that day on, all would live on in peace and harmony, forever grateful for their blessed existence in a world where no one died, no one was evil, and everyone was a mutant. In the crumbling ashes of Castlevania city, joyful children would come to point and shout in glee at Satan's lifeless and bloodied corpse, and the occasionally fortunate traveler would meet two not-exactly-so-evil vampires, cursed to wander the streets of Castlevania for all eternity. But that traveler would smile, as he'd know, just by looking at them, that everything would be all right -- for Gabriel and Alucard, despite centuries of differences, did love each other after all.
The End."
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Post by: Somacula on March 21, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
Are we still trying to justify LoS2's plot? Look, I didn't want to spoil it for all of you, but here's the official epilogue, brought to us by an anonymous leaker:

"And so it was that both Death and Satan were permanently destroyed, putting an end to the ageless suffering of humanity. For from that day on, all would live on in peace and harmony, forever grateful for their blessed existence in a world where no one died, no one was evil, and everyone was a mutant. In the crumbling ashes of Castlevania city, joyful children would come to point and shout in glee at Satan's lifeless and bloodied corpse, and the occasionally fortunate traveler would meet two not-exactly-evil vampires, cursed to wander the streets of Castlevania for all eternity. But that traveler would smile, as he'd know, just by looking at them, that everything would be all right -- for Gabriel and Alucard, despite centuries of differences, did love each other after all.
The End."

And that, my friends, is how Castlevania turned into a feel-good family movie...or just the beginning for some random fangirl's vampiric incest fantasies.
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Post by: flyingchai on March 21, 2014, 10:46:21 AM
Are we still trying to justify LoS2's plot? Look, I didn't want to spoil it for all of you, but here's the official epilogue, brought to us by an anonymous leaker:


"Official?" Uh huh. >_>
 

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Post by: e105beta on March 21, 2014, 12:13:53 PM
Are we still trying to justify LoS2's plot? Look, I didn't want to spoil it for all of you, but here's the official epilogue, brought to us by an anonymous leaker:

"And so it was that both Death and Satan were permanently destroyed, putting an end to the ageless suffering of humanity. For from that day on, all would live on in peace and harmony, forever grateful for their blessed existence in a world where no one died, no one was evil, and everyone was a mutant. In the crumbling ashes of Castlevania city, joyful children would come to point and shout in glee at Satan's lifeless and bloodied corpse, and the occasionally fortunate traveler would meet two not-exactly-so-evil vampires, cursed to wander the streets of Castlevania for all eternity. But that traveler would smile, as he'd know, just by looking at them, that everything would be all right -- for Gabriel and Alucard, despite centuries of differences, did love each other after all.
The End."

And Dracula's small heart grew three sizes that day.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 21, 2014, 02:07:45 PM
A perfect ending to this game.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 21, 2014, 10:26:54 PM
Happy ever after... This isn't some feel good family movie. Argh.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 21, 2014, 11:38:49 PM
Official? Source? Link? Pic?
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Post by: Dremn on March 22, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
Yea I'd like to know where that came from.

It does sound like something Mercury Steam would write though.
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Post by: crisis on March 22, 2014, 11:46:11 AM
it was [obviously] a joke guys
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Post by: Intersection on March 22, 2014, 11:47:37 AM
It's what we call humor -- and I thought it was obvious enough that I'd written it. ;D
Anyways, I shouldn't have called it "official", if that's what confused you.

Still...
It does sound like something Mercury Steam would write though.
... I take that as a compliment.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 22, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
I'm replaying it right now and just about to fight the last boss. In cold I can say the game is good, just didn't live up to the hype. It gets better the 2nd time. 7.5/10
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Post by: crisis on March 22, 2014, 06:33:11 PM
altho the architexture in the castle is visually impressive, one aspect that is missing is: the paintings! where are they? what i loved about lament of innocence was the fact that the castle had awesome-looking paintings everywhere (but some were hard to really look at cuz of the damn camera). i recall Walters chamber having a giant painting of a dragon behind his throne (i think it was a dragon), but littered throughout the hallways there were various paintings of extremely odd scenes, both religious & demonic. its a shame los2 didnt include anything such as these

i also liked the fact that the castle was literally begging dracula not to leave, becuz his power gives them life. i thought the creepy "we are your family now, dont leave us" voices from the transition between the castle & the city was awesome. the castle also couldve benefitted from the random stuff weve grown accustomed to in previous castlevania games, that only a trained eye will spot, such as the giant peeping eye in the long hallway in symphony, or the bloody handprints that follow you in portrait, or the lady in the crypt in mirror. little details like that amount to a lot imo

i mean, can u just imagine while walking thru Bernhard's Quarters, you see a silhouette of a giant spider-octopus thing crawling thru the stained glass, but u never encounter it, but u know its there, watching. or in Carmillas Chamber in the library, before you enter a room you see some books being read by an invisible entity, and as soon as u enter they slam shut & fall to the ground. creepy shit like that woulda been awesome
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Post by: EstebanT on March 22, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
altho the architexture in the castle is visually impressive, one aspect that is missing is: the paintings! where are they? what i loved about lament of innocence was the fact that the castle had awesome-looking paintings everywhere (but some were hard to really look at cuz of the damn camera). i recall Walters chamber having a giant painting of a dragon behind his throne (i think it was a dragon), but littered throughout the hallways there were various paintings of extremely odd scenes, both religious & demonic. its a shame los2 didnt include anything such as these
I agree 100%. Mirror of fate actually had them and it gave it a very castlevania-esque vibe.
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Post by: Flame on March 22, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
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@kiddracul I'm just curious are you going to include Victor in anything else? I really did like him D:

@SarahOfMars - Maybe...

Oboyohboy
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Post by: derision on March 22, 2014, 07:48:40 PM
Oboyohboy

Victor mention in an Alucard city memorial confirmed, get hype son
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 22, 2014, 08:11:53 PM
Oboyohboy
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This game is the gift that keeps on giving .
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Post by: Dremn on March 22, 2014, 08:15:34 PM
DLC that retcons his death would be nice, but it would never happen.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 22, 2014, 08:19:09 PM
DLC that retcons his death would be nice, but it would never happen.
I Wonder if Sonia is coming too? According to Bergaron those were the planned episodes.
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Post by: e105beta on March 22, 2014, 10:42:07 PM
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This game is the gift that keeps on giving .
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I wouldn't get too excited. I'm expecting something really dumb.

Kind of like that optional boss, or that ending reward Cox hinted to/promised.
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Post by: Flame on March 23, 2014, 02:04:19 AM
It might simply be as simple as Victor appearing in future media. Along with the likes of Gabriel as cameos, or whatever
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Post by: Trevelyan on March 23, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
Remember Cox is adament about no more DLC in interviews so I wouldn't get hopes up for anything more. 
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 23, 2014, 12:35:09 PM
Remember Cox is adament about no more DLC in interviews so I wouldn't get hopes up for anything more.
* From MercurySteam.

This all goes well with Bergaron's leaks (Oh how I miss him)
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Post by: crisis on March 23, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
so has cox or anybody confirmed yet that the next franchise mercurysteam is gonna destroy is Contra?
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 23, 2014, 12:39:43 PM
so has cox or anybody confirmed yet that the next franchise mercurysteam is gonna destroy is Contra?
I don't know why I have the little thorn in my toe that it will be Silent Hill. But yep, 70% probability of Contra.
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Post by: RichterB on March 23, 2014, 02:59:11 PM
If they so much as touch Contra, I need someone supervising them with some legit Contra fan credit, like CV Dungeon's old founder and Contra HQ webmaster, Kurt K. Honestly, if you're not going to be true to core Contra elements as you try to update it, then it might as well be a new franchise. I am jumping the gun, but I am speaking based on what happened with LoS and Castlevania.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 23, 2014, 05:53:13 PM
It seems Konami doesn't care much about Contra now, so if it dies c/o Mercury Steam, what can we do...
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Post by: e105beta on March 23, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
If they reboot Contra, I hope they update the damn formula and get with the times.

I'm talking cover-based third person shooter that focuses on tactical, squad-based play rather than all this jump and shoot nonsense. Hopefully they include online multiplayer as well.
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Post by: Viskod on March 24, 2014, 05:00:38 AM
I actually think Contra could work as a third person shooter. Make it something like the inFamous series except mission based and not open world. You can still have shooting running and jumping through crazy environments and still have the focus be on all of the crazy kinds of guns you can obtain.

Also, you character still has to flip backwards suddenly upon any and all deaths, with that same sound effect.
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Post by: e105beta on March 24, 2014, 07:57:22 AM
I was actually being completely sarcastic.

If MercurySteam is going to tackle Contra, I'd like for them to at least attempt to translate the frenetic, bullet-hell combat that made the original so exciting. If I'm not dodging bullets, then it's not Contra. That about defines the series, along with maybe aliens. I care more about the bullet-hellness than I do the aliens, though.

If they can do it in 3D, fine, the more power to them, but considering the precision those games require, I have to imagine that a 3D version wouldn't be as good as a 2D version.
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Post by: Viskod on March 24, 2014, 08:05:31 AM
I was actually being completely sarcastic.

I know you were. That is why I said "I actually think", implying that I understood that you did not.
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Post by: e105beta on March 24, 2014, 08:48:26 AM
I know you were. That is why I said "I actually think", implying that I understood that you did not.

Ah, got it. My mistake.
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Post by: Flame on March 24, 2014, 12:19:52 PM
Isn't  vanquish kind of like a frenetic 3ps woth a quick pave?
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Post by: Viskod on March 24, 2014, 12:29:49 PM
Vanquish is an excellent 3rd person shooter that was also going to have a pretty in depth melee system put in it, but it ended up getting cut.

It takes a lot to get the most out of it through, more than I was ever willing to put into it. But supposedly through the technique of dashing, slowing time, and something to do with canceling reload animations somehow you can basically just keep moving and shooting nonstop all the time.

I never understood or even attempted to learn how to work cancels into the combat that just seemed way over my head for a third person shooter, which typically isn't my favored genre to begin with.
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Post by: KaZudra on March 24, 2014, 12:35:04 PM
Mirror of Fate comes out on Steam in 3 days at $15, $10 now with the sale.
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Post by: Viskod on March 24, 2014, 12:44:05 PM
Mirror of Fate is totally worth $10. That is an excellent deal.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on March 25, 2014, 11:44:00 AM
Which is the track of the Vic Belmont fight?
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Post by: Somacula on March 25, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/448438076181057536

There you have it, folks. The reason why the VK can all of a sudden kill Satan. I really would have liked an entry for the VK once Gabriel acquires it again. A single log book entry explaining how the Combat Cross from the first game suddenly turned into "the most powerful symbol of God's power" from when Gabe breaks it to when Zobek reconstructs it would have been nice.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 25, 2014, 03:03:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/448438076181057536

There you have it, folks. The reason why the VK can all of a sudden kill Satan. I really would have liked an entry for the VK once Gabriel acquires it again. A single log book entry explaining how the Combat Cross from the first game suddenly turned into "the most powerful symbol of God's power" from when Gabe breaks it to when Zobek reconstructs it would have been nice.
So, Vampire Killer can kill Satan because... it just COULD! LOL! And Satan can die by being staked through the heart because... he's a VAMPIRE? Though, why stake him through the heart(which IS a means to kill vampires)? Why not shove the shit into his forehead? It just, meh. No more Satan in the CV series. Keep Dracula the main evil personified. If there is a Satan, make him more abstract a concept, like Chaos, just a primordial essence of evil, not a figurehead(like Dracula).
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Post by: e105beta on March 25, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/448438076181057536

There you have it, folks. The reason why the VK can all of a sudden kill Satan. I really would have liked an entry for the VK once Gabriel acquires it again. A single log book entry explaining how the Combat Cross from the first game suddenly turned into "the most powerful symbol of God's power" from when Gabe breaks it to when Zobek reconstructs it would have been nice.

Goddammit. Alvarez is such a shitty writer.

I swear, he had help on the first two games. This is just awful.
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Post by: Somacula on March 25, 2014, 03:15:35 PM
Imagine my surprise when Gabriel finally reacquires the VK after killing Zobek, and there's no log book entry about it. For such an important plot point, and the thing Gabe's been trying to get from the start, there should have been something about it. The Mirror of Fate, which was far less significant to the plot in comparison even got its own page. Why couldn't this literally god-modded new Vampire Killer get the same treatment? Bad writing or not, this should have been in the game.
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Post by: crisis on March 25, 2014, 03:16:04 PM
the stake attachment wasnt even on it anymore but he still used it to stab him

ok fine, alvarez says the combat cross can kill zobek, stan, etc holy relic=destroy evil beings... but zobek is still easily destroyed with the void sword, an evil relic destroying a evil being

and how in the hell could zobek, the "lord of the dead," be capable of reconstructing "the most powerful symbol of God's power?" he shouldnt even be able to touch it without disintegrating amirite?

not much makes sense in the cv universe, but that is just dumb & couldve been EASILY rectified otherwise, really

and i still woulda preferred Dracula biting Stan & feeding on him till the last drop instead of him just lolstabbing him & hes dead
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Post by: Somacula on March 25, 2014, 03:30:35 PM
the stake attachment wasnt even on it anymore but he still used it to stab him

ok fine, alvarez says the combat cross can kill zobek, stan, etc holy relic=destroy evil beings... but zobek is still easily destroyed with the void sword, an evil relic destroying a evil being

and how in the hell could zobek, the "lord of the dead," be capable of reconstructing "the most powerful symbol of God's power?" he shouldnt even be able to touch it without disintegrating amirite?

not much makes sense in the cv universe, but that is just dumb & couldve been EASILY rectified otherwise, really

and i still woulda preferred Dracula biting Stan & feeding on him till the last drop instead of him just lolstabbing him & hes dead

Insert "Zobek's connection to his counterpart in heaven prevents him from being affected by holy artifacts" as a reason and it's just a slippery slope from there.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 25, 2014, 03:31:17 PM
So, Vampire Killer can kill Satan because... it just COULD! LOL! And Satan can die by being staked through the heart because... he's a VAMPIRE? Though, why stake him through the heart(which IS a means to kill vampires)? Why not shove the shit into his forehead? It just, meh. No more Satan in the CV series. Keep Dracula the main evil personified. If there is a Satan, make him more abstract a concept, like Chaos, just a primordial essence of evil, not a figurehead(like Dracula).

I second this (the bold part). When I think in Satan in a videogame (or Lucifer, or Devil, or whatever other name) I think in the MAIN enemy of all good. Since the first LoS, I see his incursion as a little forced. But, with his "death" in the second game, who will be the main antagonist of the "continuity" of the series? And I mention this, ´cause of the "death" of Zobek.
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Post by: Somacula on March 25, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
I also liked the concept of Chaos as being nothing more than a glorified power battery for the old Dracula. One that Soma himself shattered in AoS. Man, that was satisfying. Back to LoS. In terms of having a main antagonist, I think Dracula ends up fulfilling that role. According to Cox, Dracula goes on to become the ruler of humanity after the ending. I guess it makes him a not as bad evil as Satan ruling the world, but the post-LoS2 world of castlevania must be an absolutely terrible place to live in now. Alucard needed to have staked Gabriel and himself to leave mankind to its own devices and break the cycle of fate imposed upon them.
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Post by: crisis on March 25, 2014, 03:59:32 PM
i have beef with Cox saying "dracula now rules planet earth." that doesnt make sense at all, since he reconciled with Alucard, who is a good guy & defends humanity. so are we expecting that Alucard would just stand by his side as he rules earth? or alucard just wont do nothing to stop him, which is equally as evil & contradicts his entire character


"i forgive you dad & you also forgave yourself for what you've done, we worked together to destroy the embodiment of evil. now that we're free & have gone through our character arcs, you wanna rule earth & humanity, so now we must be enemies again" how retarded does that sound? did they just make this up as they go along?
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 25, 2014, 04:23:09 PM
i have beef with Cox saying "dracula now rules planet earth." that doesnt make sense at all, since he reconciled with Alucard, who is a good guy & defends humanity. so are we expecting that Alucard would just stand by his side as he rules earth? or alucard just wont do nothing to stop him, which is equally as evil & contradicts his entire character


"i forgive you dad & you also forgave yourself for what you've done, we worked together to destroy the embodiment of evil. now that we're free & have gone through our character arcs, you wanna rule earth & humanity, so now we must be enemies again" how retarded does that sound? did they just make this up as they go along?

For that reason mainly, I really expects that we seen the end for the Lords of Shadow Saga... I can´t imagine a new LoS game with Dracula (at least) as the antagonist and Alucard as the new hero. The most absurd plot would be that Zobek and Satan didn´t die, just stay out of the line. With Zobek I would accept, but with Satan...
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Post by: Somacula on March 26, 2014, 05:23:12 AM
Not exactly the reply I was hoping for... https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/448743937189359616  :-\
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Post by: Viskod on March 26, 2014, 06:05:51 AM
I just honestly hate that guy. I just do.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 26, 2014, 06:13:49 AM
I am the dragon, that... is my elevator!
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 26, 2014, 09:28:39 AM
I just honestly hate that guy. I just do.
He's not even trying. He probaby already put Castlevania in his mental garbage bin and is now focusing on his Contra or whatever.
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Post by: e105beta on March 26, 2014, 10:00:53 AM
He's not even trying. He probaby already put Castlevania in his mental garbage bin and is now focusing on his Contra or whatever.

Well, as we've already confirmed, Alvarez doesn't give two licks about Castlevania as a franchise. His game didn't do well, so he's just "Fuck it, whatevs, I'm still employed"
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Post by: Asgardwolf on March 26, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
Not exactly the reply I was hoping for... https://twitter.com/Enric_Alvarez/status/448743937189359616  :-\
Yep.. His aswer was moronic... I can only guess he can assimilate other people memories and experience when he drinks their blood, like the vampires in Underworld...
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 26, 2014, 02:16:40 PM
This is what happens when the developers doesn´t have little interest or love for the franchise they worked in.

Oh, I can´t imagine if they are working in a Contra title, with the looks of Clive Barker´s Jericho...
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Post by: KaZudra on March 26, 2014, 02:25:00 PM
Yep.. His aswer was moronic... I can only guess he can assimilate other people memories and experience when he drinks their blood, like the vampires in Underworld...

He could have just used the Possession ability to acquire the memories, but that would be too creative when compared to that.
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Post by: Somacula on March 26, 2014, 03:16:14 PM
The memories and experience thing makes sense as does the possession. The memories would explain why he understands normal modern tech while possessing the guards and scientists would allow him to know about the approximate location of the cure, what it looks like, and what not. Also, I don't think Drac could have known about all the switches, wires, and retinal scanners if he hadn't possessed one of those guards. It all just makes no sense. Drac should have spent at least some time wondering how to operate devices 500 years past his time.
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Post by: zaxiou on March 26, 2014, 03:26:44 PM
There's one thing bugging me all this while, Alucard said "Only my father Gabriel Belmont can destroy Dracula". So, even with VK Dracul can't die can he? Or is it simply a plothole or maybe Alvarez wrote it to sound cool or whatever?
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Post by: Intersection on March 26, 2014, 03:27:34 PM
Remember Zobek's helpful hints at the beginning of the game? I suppose we were spared all of the offscreen dialogue later on.

Zobek: Enter the ele... the box in the wall in front of you. Good. Now press the red button...

Drac: Eh?

Zobek: The glowing red... rune. Yes, that's right. Now stay still as they decontaminate...

Drac: Eh?

Zobek: They summon... mist in the air. Right.
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Post by: Flame on March 26, 2014, 03:36:04 PM
There's one thing bugging me all this while, Alucard said "Only my father Gabriel Belmont can destroy Dracula". So, even with VK Dracul can't die can he? Or is it simply a plothole or maybe Alvarez wrote it to sound cool or whatever?
I think it was supposed to be a sort of Gabriel vs Dracula thing like they did with Inner Dracula.

The idea that he can only die if he comes to terms with himself. he abandoned his identity. he would have to feel remorse for his actions and basically instead of being the vengeful Dracula, return to being gabriel Belmont.

I think i can sort of understand what they were going for
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on March 26, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
That's how I read into it, Flame.

Sorry guys for my absence, I reached a point where I didn't want any more spoilers, so decided to take a small break from here until I'd finished the game.  I finished it yesterday.  I've been mulling it over, and have watched the Alucard dlc now.  I get what they were going for with the open-endedness of the closing scene, with both Gabriel and Alucard finding peace together, however, what I think let it down was what led up to it, and how certain scenes were handled, especially the last boss fight, which I found frustratingly unsatisfying.  There wasn't enough to it, and I felt that setting it on the Leviathan was a bit shoehorned.  It would have been much more befitting for it to take place in the throne room itself for the start of the fight.  Satan taking the multiple-headed dragon form, and declaring himself the 'true dragon' would have been far more epic, with the final possession of Alucard being a last-ditch effort.  I also didn't feel like there was a proper closure with Marie and young Trevor, Some ambiguity, things left unsaid is fine, but there wasn't enough given to give it the epic, and heart-wrenching ending that it deserved, especially after the scenes with Gabriel declaring that he had already chosen his family, anf then the regaining of his memories of Alucard.  Those scenes were beautifully handled, and it's just such a shame that it wasn't ended properly.  It was too unclear regarding whether Marie and Trevor were manifestations of his mind's humanity, or whether it was actually Marie and Alucard in disguise.

  Cox's declaration of Dracula winning and ruling the world also irked me, as I didn't see how he'd defeated 'God' as well as Satan, and it didn't make sense considering that they seemed to want to go down the redemption route, with it emerging that family after all was what was most important to him.  I can definitely see how the ending could have been changed.  (If someone could tell me what Bergaron had said on this, I'm still trying to find that in my catch up of what was missed.)

  All in all, there were bits I loved, and bits I disliked.  The whole game felt rather disjointed to me (the modern city in conflict with the castle), combined with some pacing issues.  The castle sections were incredible, with some scenes being very heartfelt and moving.  If only more of the game, preferrably all of it, had taken place there!  I loved Alucard's reimagining, and after watching the video of the dlc, I look forward to getting hold of it.
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Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on March 26, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
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Cox's declaration of Dracula winning and ruling the world also irked me, as I didn't see how he'd defeated 'God' as well as Satan, and it didn't make sense considering that they seemed to want to go down the redemption route, with it emerging that family after all was what was most important to him.  I can definitely see how the ending could have been changed.  (If someone could tell me what Bergaron had said on this, I'm still trying to find that in my catch up of what was missed.)

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Post by: Koutei on March 26, 2014, 09:15:53 PM
(If someone could tell me what Bergaron had said on this, I'm still trying to find that in my catch up of what was missed.)

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Post by: Flame on March 26, 2014, 09:56:59 PM

Personally, I find this original ending to be more interesting than just a sequel hook. (and a weak one, at that)

I dunno. ive heard some say that, but I disagree. That's actually WORSE. You played through the whole game for a BAD END. I'm not a fan of games that give you a bad end. Especially one like THAT. How is that any more satisfying? "Interesting =/= good"
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Post by: VladCT on March 26, 2014, 10:31:25 PM
Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. I, for one, would've liked to see them continue with the running "gag" of Gabula ultimately ending up being fucked sideways by God/fate/whatever. lol
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Post by: Anglachel on March 27, 2014, 07:03:33 AM
I dunno. ive heard some say that, but I disagree. That's actually WORSE. You played through the whole game for a BAD END. I'm not a fan of games that give you a bad end. Especially one like THAT. How is that any more satisfying? "Interesting =/= good"

I agree. That ending sounds way, way too tragic. Plus, it would just be another 180, not giving Dracula the freedom from his immortality that we ALL want to see happen.

I just always thought from the beginning that Dracula would be stabbed, then ascend to heaven to reunite with God, his wife, son, and the other members of the Belmont clan that we didn't get to see in this universe.
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Post by: e105beta on March 27, 2014, 07:53:52 AM
I agree. That ending sounds way, way too tragic. Plus, it would just be another 180, not giving Dracula the freedom from his immortality that we ALL want to see happen.

I just always thought from the beginning that Dracula would be stabbed, then ascend to heaven to reunite with God, his wife, son, and the other members of the Belmont clan that we didn't get to see in this universe.

#regrets
Title: dracula vs goku xD
Post by: crisis on March 27, 2014, 11:37:08 AM
they shoulda had alternate endings where marie offers dracula the chance to be with her again in Heaven, but dracula relunctantly says no & chooses to stay behind, saying hes too corrupted and doesnt belong in Heaven & will now just make sure Stan will never try to return by staying on earth

the "good" ending would be dracula reverts back to Gabrian belmont & ascends to be with marie, with Victofer watching from afar wiping a tear from his cheek, to please the fans
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 27, 2014, 12:38:24 PM
Not sure about anyone else, but I would totally be on board for a "bad end" in a game staring a evil Vampire Lord who murdered many humans and even a innocent family.

So in that sense I would have rathered LOS2 had a more tragic ending rather than a father son bonding one.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 27, 2014, 02:54:42 PM
Why every.fucking.thing needs to end with everyone happy!? Fuck this shit, we have so many medias with this type of ending already, why in the flying fuck we can't have some with bittersweet endings or bad endings?

God, it's a fucking Castlevania game, make an ending where Dracula actually fucks everything and declares war against God. You get your fucking sequel hook in a satisfying way. Make Dracula defeat Satan like the bitch he is, make as family doesn't matter to him anymore, he just want to destroy shit for all eternity.

Instead, we get ANOTHER fucking anti-hero. Like we aren't full of these already...
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Post by: Kingshango on March 27, 2014, 03:16:19 PM
Maybe Lords of Shadow 3 will have a better ending. :P
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 27, 2014, 03:24:02 PM
I don´t mind if the end is good/happy or bad/sad. I only want a definitive and clear ending, with no cliffhanger or inconcluse plot.
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Post by: zaxiou on March 27, 2014, 03:34:44 PM
I don´t mind if the end is good/happy or bad/sad. I only want a definitive and clear ending, with no cliffhanger or inconcluse plot.
This.

Even a cliche happy ending with Gabriel ascending would've been better than Let's see what fate has in store for us and all our sequel adventures. Y u do this Konami.  :'(
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 27, 2014, 05:40:22 PM
Maybe Lords of Shadow 3 will have a better ending. :P
I'm actually warming up to the idea of a Lords 3 when Dracula finally gets his characer arc of revenge against God, as if he wanted to stay with Alucard BUT rule over god and have his revenge, so Alucard gets against him and regrettably fights him and so on.. It's been around my head for some time these past weeks. Imaigne some kind of Lgacy of Kain Defiance where the two characters have a parallel story. I would buy 10.
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Post by: Somacula on March 27, 2014, 05:51:48 PM
I'm actually warming up to the idea of a Lords 3 when Dracula finally gets his characer arc of revenge against God, as if he wanted to stay with Alucard BUT rule over god and have his revenge, so Alucard gets against him and regrettably fights him and so on.. It's been around my head for some time these past weeks. Imaigne some kind of Lgacy of Kain Defiance where the two characters have a parallel story. I would buy 10.

Right when I was starting to settle down with the idea that the LoS series is finally done, the hype train starts back up again. Revelations was just too good. If the dev team who made that came up with a Lords 3, I don't think I'd have a problem with it. Just...keep Alvarez far and away from the story writing.
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Post by: Flame on March 27, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
I just want a LoS Alucard game. A FULL Alucard game. Revelations gave me an itch for it.

Also, for shits n' giggles, I'd kill for a crossover with the classic canon. Maybe not a fighting game this time though, yeah?

Double the Alucard, double the Dracula, double the fun!
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Post by: crisis on March 27, 2014, 08:45:32 PM
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Also, for shits n' giggles, I'd kill for a crossover with the classic canon. Maybe not a fighting game this time though, yeah?

only if st. germain is involved

becuz time n stuff
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 27, 2014, 09:39:42 PM
Also, for shits n' giggles, I'd kill for a crossover with the classic canon. Maybe not a fighting game this time though, yeah?
Double the Alucard, double the Dracula, double the fun!
Yeah why not :P
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 28, 2014, 12:12:45 AM
I've been thinking about it, and I know how I would've ended this series. Not going into too much detail, but it would've went like this:

- The story would focus on the redemption of Gabriel. Some of the ideas I'd keep would be Zobek's goal to usurp Satan as well as Alucard making a deal with Gabriel.

- Main plot would be Gabula seeking out a weapon(ultimate holy weapon) composed of the holiest of relics on Earth(one relic would be the Spear of Destiny, another the Combat Cross, among other fabled artifacts), which can forever silence Satan(as well as Gabriel himself). Zobek tells Gabula of it and how both the Brotherhood of Light and Satan's army seek it.

- Brotherhood of Light would have a bigger part in the modern day. Alucard would act as a mediary between Gabula and the Brotherhood, who'd, for a brief time, ally with each other only because of their goals are the same(seeking out the "holy weapon").

- Victor would still be part of the Brotherhood and have a greater role in the overall game.

- About half-way into the game, the Brotherhood gets slaughtered when Satan's army attacks their headquarters. It's a massive battle where Gabula, Alucard and Victor fight side-by-side. Victor dies heroically. End of the Brotherhood.

- Holy weapon is discovered, but Zobek steals it and wounds Gabula with it. Turns out it's incomplete(missing one part, so it doesn't kill Gabula). Brief portion where Alucard offers Gabula some of his blood(like Gabula did for Trevor in MoF), then Alucard goes to find the missing piece(control Alucard for this section).

- No Leviathan. Satan is summoned back to the world and creates his own version of Dracula's Castle, Pandemonium, which acts as the final dungeon. Full-scale apocalyptic scene happens(the world feels this inbalance and natural disasters occur in various parts of the world). Gabula, at full strength again, is joined by Alucard who helps storm the castle. Alucard keeps a lot of Satan's army at bay while Gabula travels deep within the heart of the twisted keep.

- He confronts Zobek again, Death battle ensues and Gabula wins, taking back the holy weapon. Forms the full version of the holy weapon with the piece Alucard gave him.

- Final Battle agains Satan. First in human form, then in demon form, and last, Dragon(Gabula) versus the Beast(Satan). Satan's Beast form is based on the multi-headed dragon designs in the art(as well as the infamous apocalyptic imagery of Revelations). Totally epic battle.

- The end has Gabula and Alucard(together) impaling Satan(in mid-air) with the weapon, causing a hole(The Pit) to open in the space below as they fall. It seeks to engulf them(a realm of pure nothingness where no evil can escape from). Satan fights it though, so Gabula and Alucard choose to Sacrifice themselves by cutting their palms on the weapon and binding their blood to it, in turn, binding Satan with their blood and keeping him down. What they don't expect is, not being beings of PURE evil, by binding their dark blood to the weapon, it's actually their dark side that is bound, literally pulling it from their bodies and forever sealing Satan within The Pit as Gabriel(not Gabula anymore) and Trevor(not Alucard... hehe) escape as humans.

- Basically, the prophecy of Revelations was altered, and now the world is able to move forward into a new direction. Gabriel and Trevor are able to live out their lives in peace.

Though, for me, the whole last part I'm on the fence with. Either Gabriel and Trevor live as humans, or when they are shed of their dark side, they both ascend into the heavens(greeted by Marie).
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Post by: Anglachel on March 28, 2014, 06:16:44 AM

- No Leviathan. Satan is summoned back to the world and creates his own version of Dracula's Castle, Pandemonium, which acts as the final dungeon. Full-scale apocalyptic scene happens(the world feels this inbalance and natural disasters occur in various parts of the world). Gabula, at full strength again, is joined by Alucard who helps storm the castle. Alucard keeps a lot of Satan's army at bay while Gabula travels deep within the heart of the twisted keep.


I had actually thought that it would be cool to have Pandemonium be the final fight spot against Satan.
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Post by: Anglachel on March 28, 2014, 07:51:51 AM
I was actually surprised that more influence wasn't take from Revelation. I thought it would be cool to tie in Dracula's plan with the ending of the world.
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Post by: crisis on March 28, 2014, 08:18:22 AM
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- Final Battle agains Satan. First in human form, then in demon form, and last, Dragon(Gabula) versus the Beast(Satan). Satan's Beast form is based on the multi-headed dragon designs in the art(as well as the infamous apocalyptic imagery of Revelations). Totally epic battle.

Mortal Kombat Annihilation Final Battle HD 1080p Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjDjkM2RPvA#ws)

sry couldnt resist
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Post by: Maedhros on March 28, 2014, 04:21:45 PM
This plot sounds pretty anime-y. Not western enough.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on March 28, 2014, 04:37:37 PM
This plot sounds pretty anime-y. Not western enough.

Tha plot proposed by our friend DragonSlayr81? Yes, is pretty anime-esque... and I love it  :D.

In fact, is better than the original one presented in LoS 2, in my opinion...
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Post by: Kingshango on March 28, 2014, 05:43:23 PM
Dragon's alternate plot is good but it's missing the after credit stinger that shows a mysterious figure preparing to summon Galamoth from the darkest pit's of the Netherworld now that Satan and Dracula are no longer threats.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 29, 2014, 05:36:41 AM
The Art of CV: LoS displays a artwork of Satan's Beast form. A red dragon with multiple crowned heads. Yes.

Also, the "Feathers of Stolas" were a planned relic.
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Post by: Anglachel on March 29, 2014, 07:03:41 AM
Dragon's alternate plot is good but it's missing the after credit stinger that shows a mysterious figure preparing to summon Galamoth from the darkest pit's of the Netherworld now that Satan and Dracula are no longer threats.

The forgotten Forgotten One.
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Post by: Dremn on March 29, 2014, 11:25:30 AM
The Art of CV: LoS displays a artwork of Satan's Beast form. A red dragon with multiple crowned heads. Yes.

Also, the "Feathers of Stolas" were a planned relic.
Sounds like Dracula's 2nd form in most games. Was this for LoS1 or LoS2?
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 29, 2014, 01:06:53 PM
Sounds like Dracula's 2nd form in most games. Was this for LoS1 or LoS2?
It was LoS2, I believe. It shows buffed up Satan and right next to him the multi-headed dragon(which is a reference to the Book of Revelations). You also see the The Beast in Ayami Kojima's artwork for CoD behind Trevor:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20080605145920%2Fegamia%2Fimages%2F3%2F39%2FTrevor45342.png&hash=4d49f457bb218e5b6da7b500d9fa9b20)

Though, that particular artwork also has the human-faced locust(another apocalyptic creature), and made me think that CoD was also going to have some "end of the world" themes(would've been cool if Dracula tried to bring on Armageddon in the late 15th century AS the original canon's version of "the devil"). I mean, hell, seeing that poster and that imagery(including Cerberus), lots of hellish creatures, I thought they were going to be bosses(and CoD WAS going to have an apocalypitic tone). Another reason I thought this was because the Minotaur is on the poster, and he WAS a boss(I think the Wyvern's there too, as well as Crazy Armor, as he seems to have a similar bloodstained look as the boss). I kinda wonder if IGA DID have more ideas in store for CoD, but had to cut a lot of it due to deadlines and... poor level planning(LOL).
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 29, 2014, 01:37:12 PM
Sounds like Dracula's 2nd form in most games. Was this for LoS1 or LoS2?
It is Satan's. The concept is put in his section, and doesn't look like anything like Dracula (either traditional or LoS).
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Post by: crisis on March 29, 2014, 04:25:49 PM
check out this replica of the Devil mask i just acquired.. now i will become the true lord of the dead

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Fnull_zps784d2e23.jpg&hash=6227b2fe4a7600b84051e1bd9c7c484d)
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Post by: Flame on March 29, 2014, 04:52:07 PM
the fact that there's a "face" under it pisses me off.
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Post by: Dremn on March 29, 2014, 11:49:38 PM
It is Satan's. The concept is put in his section, and doesn't look like anything like Dracula (either traditional or LoS).
I meant that it reminded me of Dracula's 2nd form from other games, not that I thought it was Dracula. :P
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 30, 2014, 04:13:41 AM
I meant that it reminded me of Dracula's 2nd form from other games, not that I thought it was Dracula. :P
Oh OK, sorry, I misunderstood your statement.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 30, 2014, 07:25:03 AM
I meant that it reminded me of Dracula's 2nd form from other games, not that I thought it was Dracula. :P
Which game? The most he's turned to was a dragon(N64 game). The closest I can think of is the last form in SotN, which had a lot of heads(though it was kinda his throne). Most of the other CVs, Dracula's either a large demon(majority of CVs), a giant head(Haunted Castle), a possessed Portrait(Vampire Killer), a skull-headed vampire(CV2, SCV4), with some others as well.
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Post by: crisis on March 30, 2014, 09:05:59 AM
dont 4get the multi-headed dragon in this artworks

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FBooklet20Back.png&hash=2084cacec172b483a06a0d07d0c32266)
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 30, 2014, 09:31:49 AM
dont 4get the multi-headed dragon in this artworks

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FBooklet20Back.png&hash=2084cacec172b483a06a0d07d0c32266)
Original canon Drac was it's version of "the Devil". Dracula, the name, itself had dual meanings given Christian lore. The "dragon" IS the "devil". Original CV Dracula used more of the demonic symbolism(he even used demons as his minions), LoS used more of the dragon symbolism.
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Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on March 30, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
Guys, as for the whole multi-headed dragon deal, I don't believe that it's necessarily the Devil himself. The "seven heads, ten horns, ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy" description is supposed to be symbolic of the government that the Antichrist ushers in. If you already knew that, ignore the last sentence. Not that Satan couldn't have transformed into a form that fits that description, I suppose.

As for the concept art, I think it was on NeoGAF or GameFAQs that it was revealed by some source that Dave Cox had said that the supposed "dragon form" of Satan in the LOS2 artbook was supposed to be an early concept for the Leviathan.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 30, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
Guys, as for the whole multi-headed dragon deal, I don't believe that it's necessarily the Devil himself. The "seven heads, ten horns, ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy" description is supposed to be symbolic of the government that the Antichrist ushers in. If you already knew that, ignore the last sentence. Not that Satan couldn't have transformed into a form that fits that description, I suppose.

As for the concept art, I think it was on NeoGAF or GameFAQs that it was revealed by some source that Dave Cox had said that the supposed "dragon form" of Satan in the LOS2 artbook was supposed to be an early concept for the Leviathan.
If that's so, I would've liked THAT design MORE than the one we got. It almost felt like they were inspired by FFX's Sin.
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Post by: Flame on April 02, 2014, 10:44:28 PM
This is nothing new, but since the only other video is a TV capture with a videocamera, I figured I'd record it ingame

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR0M5TTnT7o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR0M5TTnT7o#)

Side note: Armored+Dark Dracula looks schway as fuck. I might do that NG+ PoD difficulty run eventually with it. I might even record it if anyone would care to watch me get my ass handed to me by giant monsters. I'm wholly expecting the big guns to show up right out the Gate with this.
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Post by: Anglachel on April 03, 2014, 07:57:28 AM
One thing I did like plot-wise was the Satan was actually afraid of Dracula, and feared his wrath and power. But when you hit those Golgoth guards, it seems so strange to think Satan is afraid of this rat king.  :P
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Post by: crisis on April 03, 2014, 09:24:10 AM
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Side note: Armored+Dark Dracula looks schway as fuck.

+1 for the batman reference
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Post by: Flame on April 03, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
One thing I did like plot-wise was the Satan was actually afraid of Dracula, and feared his wrath and power. But when you hit those Golgoth guards, it seems so strange to think Satan is afraid of this rat king.  :P
Agreed. there was potential in that. Despite the ending being shit, it was actually fairly satisfying to see Satan run like a bitch at the thought of Dracul impaling Alucard to kill him.

Also, I like how Satan still calls him Gabriel. To satan he still is Gabriel, the same guy. Only he's now slightly stronger. And not quite as forgiving or "good"
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Post by: crisis on April 03, 2014, 11:42:37 AM
1 thing i did like was the fact that in this universe, despite being evil (although the term "evil" is being used loosely in this case), Dracula doesnt get along with neither God OR Satan. i thought that was pretty cool
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on April 03, 2014, 12:35:27 PM
One thing I did like plot-wise was the Satan was actually afraid of Dracula, and feared his wrath and power. But when you hit those Golgoth guards, it seems so strange to think Satan is afraid of this rat king.  :P

Isn't it obvious?

According to MS logic those guards could kick Satan's ass as well as his strongest acolytes ass.

There pretty much the strongest thing in the LOS universe given how easily they can pwn Garbriel even after regaining all of his power.

As I've said many times, those guards should have only been used at the beginning of the game, using them afterwards was so dumb considering Gabriel later in the game was beating Acolytes who should be above those guards.

But that would have taken away from the stealth aspects they where intent on including so f&*k logic!
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Post by: crisis on April 03, 2014, 01:37:12 PM
classic canon has "should-be-weaker-but-are-stronger" enemies as well. recall the giant floating skulls in the reverse castle in symphony, they literally cant be destroyed by any attack. & the blood skeletons, they will revive no matter what u do to them
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on April 03, 2014, 01:42:01 PM
classic canon has "should-be-weaker-but-are-stronger" enemies as well. recall the giant floating skulls in the reverse castle in symphony, they literally cant be destroyed by any attack. & the blood skeletons, they will revive no matter what u do to them

Vaguely similar at best, and unlike the guards in LOS they can't pwn you faster than the actual final boss.

They merely have far more durability than Dracula, not power.

While LOS2 guards have the power and durability that puts them above the actual final boss battle with Satan.
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 03, 2014, 01:58:18 PM
This is just justified by gameplay. We already had this conversation like three times.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on April 03, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
This is just justified by gameplay. We already had this conversation like three times.

3 times you say, wonder where I was at, but point me to the the page please.
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Post by: crisis on April 03, 2014, 02:13:34 PM
those nova skeletons in symphony can pack quite a punch if ur not careful tho  :o
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on April 03, 2014, 02:14:16 PM
those nova skeletons in symphony can pack quite a punch if ur not careful tho  :o

Yea but they lack durability.
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Post by: Mike Belmont on April 03, 2014, 02:49:12 PM
Yea but they lack durability.

Sure, but they have a powerful punch, indeed :o.

As for the blood skeletons, I remember that in Curse of Darkness you can destroy them with the mage Innocent Devil, with one of his spells, insn´t?

Other powerful enemy in my opinion is the Devil in CoTM, near the room where you fight againts Hugh. I have only kill him one time, and then I jump to pass over him.
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Post by: Viskod on April 03, 2014, 03:39:28 PM
I don't think it's an issue of them being stronger than Dracula rather than for story purposes Dracula is just never decides go fight them in the situations that he encounters them and they did a poor job of how from a gameplay perspective each scenario handles you being seen.

They would have been better served auto-reloading a checkpoint as soon as your noticed instead if having to wait while they two shot you to death.

Could have even added Dracula saying. " That's not how that happened " upon reloading the checkpoint for some fourth wall humor.

It could happen the way it does because they might have been built around bring actual enemies you fight and then that was nixed for Alvarezs stealth ideas, so they just upped their damage really high and locked your combat moves to ensure failure on sight.

Either way quibbling about who's stronger story wise from how much damage they deal or take gameplay wise, is rather stupid.

I mean, Maria can defeat Dracula by throwing birds at him.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on April 03, 2014, 03:53:11 PM


I mean, Maria can defeat Dracula by throwing birds at him.

And I recall that getting a lot of shit as well as the "paper airplane" thing which I'm not disputing.

And the original series was never the epitome of seriousness anyway, not like the LOS series was billed to be which is why those things did not bother me was much as this.

And there is no quibbling going on here, but merely me expressing my disdain towards how stupid it was to have those guards still be able to pwn the player further into the game even after you had some actual Acolyte defeats under your belt.

I actually like your suggestion on how it could have been handled with the player being spotted and the auto reloading checkpoint being used rather than getting wtf pwned by the guards.

Least that way it would have been more logical.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on April 03, 2014, 05:15:42 PM
And I recall that getting a lot of shit as well as the "paper airplane" thing which I'm not disputing.

And the original series was never the epitome of seriousness anyway, not like the LOS series was billed to be which is why those things did not bother me was much as this.

And there is no quibbling going on here, but merely me expressing my disdain towards how stupid it was to have those guards still be able to pwn the player further into the game even after you had some actual Acolyte defeats under your belt.

I actually like your suggestion on how it could have been handled with the player being spotted and the auto reloading checkpoint being used rather than getting wtf pwned by the guards.

Least that way it would have been more logical.
I agree. The fact that they are meer flunkies and that you kill Acolytes who are supposedly more powerful than those guards and yet they can kill you in say 3 hits. I can see the forced stealth early on in the game when you have next to no powers, but by the time you beat the first Acolyte and have regained some of your powers, you should be able to fight and kill the guards like any other enemy.

Then again, Dracula never gets any real defense upgrades. Just more life, chaos and void power. That's the one thing that I hate about the LoS saga. But that's beside the point. Forced stealth for a character who is supposed to the "Prince of Darkness" is just poor gameplay. I'll say it again, by the time you defeat the first Acolyte, you should be able to take on the guards.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on April 03, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
I agree. The fact that they are meer flunkies and that you kill Acolytes who are supposedly more powerful than those guards and yet they can kill you in say 3 hits. I can see the forced stealth early on in the game when you have next to no powers, but by the time you beat the first Acolyte and have regained some of your powers, you should be able to fight and kill the guards like any other enemy.

Then again, Dracula never gets any real defense upgrades. Just more life, chaos and void power. That's the one thing that I hate about the LoS saga. But that's beside the point. Forced stealth for a character who is supposed to the "Prince of Darkness" is just poor gameplay. I'll say it again, by the time you defeat the first Acolyte, you should be able to take on the guards.

EXACTLY! ;D

Finally someone who understands where I'm coming from with this.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 03, 2014, 05:49:35 PM
I, personally, don't think stealth should've been mandatory. It should've been handled like you see in some RPGs. You can sneak past the enemies and avoid detection, and are rewarded for it, OR you can go all out and force yourself though, get penalized by taking damage, but nonetheless manage to defeat them regardless.

The earlier stealth part, the damage should be more drastic. But, later on in the game, the power should shift. Those guards should be downgraded to mere enemy status with weaker defenses and attack damage. There's no reason for them to be taking out Dracula so easily, and there's no reason such enemies should pose a threat where stealth is NEEDED. Stealth SHOULDN'T be NEEDED, but should just be an option. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on April 04, 2014, 05:16:32 AM
And I recall that getting a lot of shit as well as the "paper airplane" thing which I'm not disputing.

And the original series was never the epitome of seriousness anyway, not like the LOS series was billed to be which is why those things did not bother me was much as this.

And there is no quibbling going on here, but merely me expressing my disdain towards how stupid it was to have those guards still be able to pwn the player further into the game even after you had some actual Acolyte defeats under your belt.

I actually like your suggestion on how it could have been handled with the player being spotted and the auto reloading checkpoint being used rather than getting wtf pwned by the guards.

Least that way it would have been more logical.

Maria defeating Dracula is taken quite seriously in context of each game. But yes, they really should have automatically ended those segments upon detection and I believe if they had done that and not left it to where you're getting shot two or three times (with a completely expanded health meter) but can't do anything about it, then a lot of the rage against those segments would have never come to pass.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 04, 2014, 05:53:58 AM
So, Dave tweeted a couple days ago, "More holiday and then...??"

I can only assume it has something to do with Victor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on April 04, 2014, 05:57:58 AM
So, Dave tweeted a couple days ago, "More holiday and then...??"

I can only assume it has something to do with Victor.
Either MS' new project, or another DLC for LoS2. I hope to get a Victor or a "new section" DLC (with new enemies and bosses) - or even more Kleidos challenges (got 200% in Kleidos, phew).
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 04, 2014, 06:12:41 AM
Either MS' new project, or another DLC for LoS2. I hope to get a Victor or a "new section" DLC (with new enemies and bosses) - or even more Kleidos challenges (got 200% in Kleidos, phew).

I'm not sure how I would feel about another "Revelations" DLC, meaning that I don't think I would be interested in seeing how Victor came to meet Dracula. (100% sure Mirror of Fate has something to do with it.)

I'm more interested in seeing the past Belmonts that led the Brotherhood while Dracula was dormant.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on April 04, 2014, 06:23:55 AM
I'm more interested in seeing the past Belmonts that led the Brotherhood while Dracula was dormant.
Simon DLC? :) I don't think they would create a whole new character just for a DLC unfortunately.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 04, 2014, 06:44:02 AM
Simon DLC? :) I don't think they would create a whole new character just for a DLC unfortunately.

There's just so much space in the Belmont family section that isn't being used up.  :(

Although, it would be cool to see Simon in charge of the Brotherhood, wearing some badass armor even though his beard might be grayer.  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Trevelyan on April 04, 2014, 08:06:39 AM
I still want more Alucard after Revelations myself. 

Do we have any idea yet just how badly, or not so badly the game sold? 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 04, 2014, 08:09:27 AM
I still want more Alucard after Revelations myself. 

Do we have any idea yet just how badly, or not so badly the game sold? 

I think it sold less than LOS1, but more than the older Castlevania titles. Not sure by how much, but I think that's pretty accurate.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 04, 2014, 08:12:45 AM
I think past Belmont DLC would be really cool because I recall IGA saying in an interview (I believe it was about the timeline) that Dracula wasn't the only supernatural threat that the Belmonts dealt with. It would be neat to see Lords of Shadow take on Belmont adventures. Did they face Shaft in this universe? Perhaps some form of Chaos or Galamoth?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: uzo on April 04, 2014, 08:22:29 AM
Regarding sales; If they brag about it, good sales, if they don't, bad sales.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: beingthehero on April 04, 2014, 08:28:54 AM
Or at least brag about how many they shipped to stores, if not actually say how many were actually sold.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 04, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
Regarding sales; If they brag about it, good sales, if they don't, bad sales.
Well they seem to really pile on the talk of Revelations, so i assume that at least did well.

Or at least brag about how many they shipped to stores, if not actually say how many were actually sold.

Well, units shipped tends to correlate with units sold. a store won't ask for more shipments if they still have too much unused stock. So if they brag about shipment numbers, then it means that there was a demand for the game.

I do wonder the exact numbers in comparison with LoS1 though.

Both in initial preorders by stores, and in sales. I imagine that more stores ordered LoS2 than LoS1, but LoS1 sold better than LoS2 anyway
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on April 04, 2014, 11:45:27 AM
A Victor DLC where he didn't die and fights inner Dracula and after its demise, also Gabriel dies, and somehow Alucard too. Closure. Hope for something epic. But I doubt it.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 04, 2014, 03:21:03 PM
One thing that I really found lacking in Victor was the drive to kill Dracula. Like how Julius was crazy to kill Dracula, saying it was it destiny and that nothing Soma would say would stop him. I really wanted that in Victor, where he would pop up every now and then and do everything he could to slay Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Ahasverus on April 04, 2014, 04:07:44 PM
Victor was actually pretty clever. He went to the church to see if he was back, theb after seeing him, knowing that no Belmont had fought and won to the dragon made him chase him to a place where he had an edge. He failed, but he made the most he could, trying to kill this Dracula in a random place would be a suicide.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on April 04, 2014, 04:46:35 PM
Well they seem to really pile on the talk of Revelations, so i assume that at least did well.

Well, units shipped tends to correlate with units sold. a store won't ask for more shipments if they still have too much unused stock. So if they brag about shipment numbers, then it means that there was a demand for the game.

I do wonder the exact numbers in comparison with LoS1 though.

Both in initial preorders by stores, and in sales. I imagine that more stores ordered LoS2 than LoS1, but LoS1 sold better than LoS2 anyway

Some companies buy the copies back if they don't sell, by contract. Dunno if this is the case with Konami... LoS1, for example, DIDN'T sold 1M copies, but shipped these, as the numbers revealed by NPD and Eurocharts at the time isn't even next to 1M.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on April 05, 2014, 01:44:35 PM
Some companies buy the copies back if they don't sell, by contract. Dunno if this is the case with Konami... LoS1, for example, DIDN'T sold 1M copies, but shipped these, as the numbers revealed by NPD and Eurocharts at the time isn't even next to 1M.

At the time that they said that 1 million were shipped, no, it didn't have all those 1 million sold immediately, but I would strongly venture that they did, otherwise Konami and MercurySteam wouldn't be bragging about the highest selling Castlevania ever.

I highly doubt they were buying copies back.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on April 05, 2014, 06:01:52 PM
At the time that they said that 1 million were shipped, no, it didn't have all those 1 million sold immediately, but I would strongly venture that they did, otherwise Konami and MercurySteam wouldn't be bragging about the highest selling Castlevania ever.

I highly doubt they were buying copies back.
Companies lies.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: e105beta on April 05, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Companies lies.

Better check your tinfoil hat, there. I think you wrapped it a bit too tight
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Nagumo on April 06, 2014, 12:56:32 AM
Hush.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 06, 2014, 08:07:02 PM
If we do get more DLC (might be so, just not from MercurySteam) that could be a sign that they either want to continue this series or they want more games in this formula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Foffy on April 07, 2014, 10:32:43 PM
If we do get more DLC (might be so, just not from MercurySteam) that could be a sign that they either want to continue this series or they want more games in this formula.

There are people in the company who still want to see the franchise thrive. The question remains, like how we look at the Lords games, will it be close to its roots?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on April 11, 2014, 10:06:45 AM
so when are we gonna see hi-res scans of the artwork/character portraits in los2? iam looking at u, Flame. make it happen boy
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 11, 2014, 10:17:18 AM
Why not. Ill do it later i guess
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 11, 2014, 05:55:12 PM
Alright, here goes nothing...

Keep in mind I have NO idea how you people extract images and art from the game, such as the character entries and shit. Ive seena  few like that around, without that parchment thing going on, but I dunno how to do that, so all you get is a screenshot. All of this is screenshots with fraps.

Here you go. There's some artwork in there too of the stuff I thought was most interesting.

http://postimg.org/gallery/7ndnsute/3f628bc3/?code=3f628bc3 (http://postimg.org/gallery/7ndnsute/3f628bc3/?code=3f628bc3)

I'm not about to post all 300+ images on here in nice neat spoilers though.

EDIT: forgot one

http://s1.postimg.org/7no40n7j1/CLOS2_2014_04_02_20_29_42_46.png (http://s1.postimg.org/7no40n7j1/CLOS2_2014_04_02_20_29_42_46.png)

Agreus stealth section, showcasing what appears to be a more nuanced conceptual design. Where it's actually a platforming/shimmy puzzle.

I'm betting it originally was going to be like that, which explains why the room is full of ledges that don't do anything, and the game fails to tell you you can mist over leaves

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: crisis on April 11, 2014, 10:18:06 PM
excellent work my friend. i mustve been one of the few that had no problem with the agreus section, i breezed past that part in a few minutes  :P
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 11, 2014, 11:55:11 PM
BTW, just so you know, that isn't ALL the artwork from the game- I mainly picked and chose the ones i felt were most interesting. And skipped a lot of the production art. (storyboards, character model shit etc)

Some things i want to point out.

this
http://s16.postimg.org/yfkvctedf/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_50_41_03.png (http://s16.postimg.org/yfkvctedf/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_50_41_03.png)

is that underground section with the containers on rails. Which i believe leads to the train section maybe? Ever feel like it's just too bare in game? it's literally just a giant black pit with this boring modern shit over it. Now, looking at this concept art, doesn't it look much better? It actually looks like modern integrated with the old. Like they just stuck a rail transport system on top of some ancient water system.

The train concept art itself looks great, real dark and spooky, although Next Stop: Castlevania is one of the setpieces I don't have a problem with.


then theres these.
http://s16.postimg.org/jtppu794z/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_50_73.png (http://s16.postimg.org/jtppu794z/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_50_73.png)
http://s16.postimg.org/xyviw0i6b/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_55_13.png (http://s16.postimg.org/xyviw0i6b/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_55_13.png)

both are labeled as "Library", but the second one in particular, I beg to differ. That looks more like some kind of alchemy or ritual setup there.

I THINK there might have been some lab looking images I skipped over, but this really makes me think that a scrapped concept included some kind of alchemy lab or something.

And finally, this.
http://s16.postimg.org/pjjqjqjgj/CLOS2_2014_04_11_20_00_00_58.png (http://s16.postimg.org/pjjqjqjgj/CLOS2_2014_04_11_20_00_00_58.png)

I think it speaks for itself no? If I remember right, the artwork section labels this as torture chamber or something. We missed out on having a legit torture chamber!

Also, the gardens artwork makes me think that the entire area is cut content. There is a LOT of detailed concept art for Agreus gardens, when the final area is really just one large room with a few walls and shit to make it a stealth puzzle. It IS also quite weird when most of the other areas contain at least SOME elements of a level, even Carmilla's wing is a large library with multiple levels and pathways, despite being one big room and an outdoor area. 9which itself has secrets and interesting design)

but Agreus? there's that little way down, a shrine to pan, Agreus' "maze", and the battle arena above. Bit too much artwork for JUSt that, dont you think?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on April 13, 2014, 08:45:05 AM
Concept arts looking better than the game is pretty usual.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 13, 2014, 08:46:47 PM
Concept arts looking better than the game is pretty usual.
LoS 1's concept art was pretty, and yet the game itself still looked great, about on par WITH the concept art, even.

Metroid Prime looks about as good as it's concept art.

LoS2 however, looks like untapped potential when compared to it's concept art. It's concept art mostly is better than what's in game. particularly modern sections. The castle still looks amazing, it just suffers from being too short and lacking in content.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Kingshango on April 13, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
There's something I've noticed in the game as well regarding missing areas. Ever look in the background areas of the castle and the city and see areas that look explorable? Prime examples being in the City of the Damned and the catacombs where you fought Victor. There are bridges, doors and walkways etc. but you don't actually go there even though it looks like you could. Maybe those were places that were cut from the main game and only served as background area's instead.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Flame on April 14, 2014, 12:31:13 AM
There's something I've noticed in the game as well regarding missing areas. Ever look in the background areas of the castle and the city and see areas that look explorable? Prime examples being in the City of the Damned and the catacombs where you fought Victor. There are bridges, doors and walkways etc. but you don't actually go there even though it looks like you could. Maybe those were places that were cut from the main game and only served as background area's instead.
YES, Ive noticed this too. City of the Damned is the BEST example.

i really wish people would crack this game open and reveal it's secrets!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: EstebanT on April 14, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
YES, Ive noticed this too. City of the Damned is the BEST example.

i really wish people would crack this game open and reveal it's secrets!
Wait... They haven't? So there could actually still be an inverted castle? That statue made me hope...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on April 14, 2014, 04:39:09 PM
LoS 1's concept art was pretty, and yet the game itself still looked great, about on par WITH the concept art, even.

Metroid Prime looks about as good as it's concept art.


I don't agree.
Title: los pollos hermanos
Post by: crisis on April 15, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
i thought originally it was said that the castle was rejecting dracula as its master, but in actuality the castle doesnt want dracula to abandon it, because his power gives it life. flip-flop

also in mof i recall the necromancer stealing trevo's combat cross from simo, saying that his master zobek desired it. so why instead does he have gabrio's combat cross in los2? (i dont buy that gabrio's was more special, they are literally identical, both built by gandolfi, same techniques/properties, etc.) flip-flop

also why does victo's combat cross look exactly like the original, when logically it should resemble trevo's if you think about it
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER I
Post by: Tanatra on April 15, 2014, 08:18:09 PM
YES, Ive noticed this too. City of the Damned is the BEST example.

i really wish people would crack this game open and reveal it's secrets!

I'd say this is even more evidence of the hell that this game went through while in development. The unused concept art in the first LoS didn't appear in the main game (remember the Lady of the Forest?) and I'd say it's also possible that these areas were completed, and, much like the Minus World in SMB, just waiting to be found by glitch-hunters.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 16, 2014, 12:50:23 AM
bigger evidence is how half of these dont seem to be hidden at all. Bridge from Gorgon's lair has that break in the side, and it DOES lead to those invisible shimmy points. It was painfully obvious the first time I played through it, that it SHOULD have gone somewhere. I spend a few good minutes trying to figure out the gimmick to the secret. it MUST lead somewhere, I thought. I gave up eventually and forgot, until i saw that video that detailed the actual secret.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 16, 2014, 04:30:11 AM
This is super sad. It did felt like the spiritual successor to Soul Reaver at some point.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Viskod on April 16, 2014, 06:27:15 AM
Well since the Soul Reaver games also went through complete development hell and each one was released with gobs of missing or cut content I'd say it ended up being the spiritual successor to Soul Reaver.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: NagoriyukiSlayer on April 16, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
To back up what some people have been saying about this game going through development hell, has anyone here come across the glitch where, when you're cooperating with Victor and the Lieutenant, and you finish the fight, the screen flashes black for a moment, everyone disappears, and the HUD doesn't show back up, but the cutscene that's supposed to follow does not play and, instead, the camera is stuck where Dracula is at? You can still move the camera around, but I still had to quit the game and go back into it on my PS3 for the next cutscene to occur. I also encountered another glitch the same night I was playing the game on my third playthrough where, when you're fighting the Riders of the Storm, the Spear statue does his attack where he pulls you in with his tornado, and I used the Mist to dodge the attack. Problem is, once I did this, I was stuck in the Mist form until I realized I wasn't getting out of it and had to quit the game again!

Not to mention, I've come across a lot of what I would call rookie errors in the level design. Maybe I'll post a video of this on Youtube one day, but I think something is wrong when I tilt the camera and a hatch door just disappears as if there is some rendering error. If this was just happening the PC, that would be one thing, but this is on the PS3 version of the game!

Then again, I've brought these issues up before, so I won't delve into them any more than necessary. It's not like my saves were getting corrupt or anything like that. It's just the graphical glitches (there are many on the PS3 version, if you're paying attention) make you wonder how good of a job the QA team was doing, or if management was even listening to them.

By the way, how are some of you accessing these "hidden" parts of the game? I saw Flame's video, and I've read on GameFAQs some hidden area in the Bioquimek Corporation that the Dodo Eggs points to, as well as something to do with some glitch where you have to do something with the Mist form and how it lets you explore areas out of bounds from the regular gameplay.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on April 16, 2014, 01:56:45 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/q72/s720x720/10174967_10153996167450697_2668258062455576066_n.jpg)

Posted on the LoS2 FB today. No other useful info.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dominus on April 16, 2014, 04:42:07 PM
Fuck Victor, playable Carmilla would be the best thing ever
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 16, 2014, 05:57:20 PM
a higher res version of that art would be even better
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 16, 2014, 06:14:56 PM
Fuck Victor, playable Carmilla would be the best thing ever

God, I hope not.  :-\
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 16, 2014, 06:20:04 PM
Maybe it could be fan art? I find it extremely unlikely it's a Carmilla DLC. Has anyone in the community been asking for THAT?
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Post by: Dremn on April 16, 2014, 07:02:47 PM
Really nice art.

I guess more content is on the way, no way that's just a thing they did for fun.
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on April 16, 2014, 11:58:54 PM
All it says is "woman crush wednesday: Carmilla".  It's interesting though indeed that a new pic's been used for it.  I don't think that there will be any new content.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on April 17, 2014, 12:00:46 AM
The background is also different from the other one with Dracula.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 18, 2014, 07:24:54 PM
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-Simon-s-Quest-386578351 (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-Simon-s-Quest-386578351)

Stumbled across this fan-story while looking through Lords of Shadow art. This sounds like it would have made a cool DLC.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on April 18, 2014, 07:39:30 PM
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-Simon-s-Quest-386578351 (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-Simon-s-Quest-386578351)

Stumbled across this fan-story while looking through Lords of Shadow art. This sounds like it would have made a cool DLC.
Too bad thing didn't turn out that way for LoS2.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Chernabogue on April 19, 2014, 01:42:13 AM
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-Simon-s-Quest-386578351 (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-Simon-s-Quest-386578351)

Stumbled across this fan-story while looking through Lords of Shadow art. This sounds like it would have made a cool DLC.
This is very awesome. I want to start writing my own LoS Timeline now...
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 19, 2014, 05:57:05 AM
I think it would be cool after Simon say's "You will never belong in this world", Dracula says, "No, warrior. It is those like you who will not belong in my world."
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 19, 2014, 08:29:17 AM
BTW, just so you know, that isn't ALL the artwork from the game- I mainly picked and chose the ones i felt were most interesting. And skipped a lot of the production art. (storyboards, character model shit etc)

Some things i want to point out.

this
http://s16.postimg.org/yfkvctedf/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_50_41_03.png (http://s16.postimg.org/yfkvctedf/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_50_41_03.png)

is that underground section with the containers on rails. Which i believe leads to the train section maybe? Ever feel like it's just too bare in game? it's literally just a giant black pit with this boring modern shit over it. Now, looking at this concept art, doesn't it look much better? It actually looks like modern integrated with the old. Like they just stuck a rail transport system on top of some ancient water system.

The train concept art itself looks great, real dark and spooky, although Next Stop: Castlevania is one of the setpieces I don't have a problem with.


then theres these.
http://s16.postimg.org/jtppu794z/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_50_73.png (http://s16.postimg.org/jtppu794z/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_50_73.png)
http://s16.postimg.org/xyviw0i6b/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_55_13.png (http://s16.postimg.org/xyviw0i6b/CLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_55_13.png)

both are labeled as "Library", but the second one in particular, I beg to differ. That looks more like some kind of alchemy or ritual setup there.

I THINK there might have been some lab looking images I skipped over, but this really makes me think that a scrapped concept included some kind of alchemy lab or something.

And finally, this.
http://s16.postimg.org/pjjqjqjgj/CLOS2_2014_04_11_20_00_00_58.png (http://s16.postimg.org/pjjqjqjgj/CLOS2_2014_04_11_20_00_00_58.png)

I think it speaks for itself no? If I remember right, the artwork section labels this as torture chamber or something. We missed out on having a legit torture chamber!

Also, the gardens artwork makes me think that the entire area is cut content. There is a LOT of detailed concept art for Agreus gardens, when the final area is really just one large room with a few walls and shit to make it a stealth puzzle. It IS also quite weird when most of the other areas contain at least SOME elements of a level, even Carmilla's wing is a large library with multiple levels and pathways, despite being one big room and an outdoor area. 9which itself has secrets and interesting design)

but Agreus? there's that little way down, a shrine to pan, Agreus' "maze", and the battle arena above. Bit too much artwork for JUSt that, dont you think?

I agree on every one of your points. But the developers did mention internal conflicts within the team and the prompt departure of their Art Director midway through production who actually went on to work on RIME.  They even mentioned that the game is frankensteined together in parts. That's why some area are drop dead gorgeous and other ones are like subpar.

Things that I can't get over are the super disappointing final boss battle with Satan. The final battle in the first game was far superior especially considering they made that super nice new model of SATAN it was a shame you didn't fight him one on one. Also, the lame ending of the game! WTF?! No real conclusion!

On a side note, I loved pretty much all the boss fights minus the last one and I think the Death fight was probably the best Death boss I ever seen in a CV title. Oh and Victor was badass except the "Giant Victor" part. Lame! Did the devs run out of ideas for the second part of the fight?

The only thing for me was did it seem to anyone else as soon as you got Drac's power level's up to a decent level you basically slaughtered the bosses. There were enemies that seemed to be stronger than some of the actual bosses.

I really think the game if everything (and everyone) came together it would of been something special especially after the awesome intro into the new world. I don't really think it's much of an excuse though. I mean this game got pushed back a bunch of times so I figured bout time the game came out if should of had even extra polish to it! But, that's the game industry.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 19, 2014, 06:46:28 PM
I really wanted Victor to do a "Grand Cross" move, like what Julius does. He holds up his combat cross, combines light magic into it, and then begins to hover as the cross releases the holiest light into the cathedral.

Something else I noticed about the story is that I never found myself being conflicted with whether to root for or be against Dracula. Most of the time he was just being a lap dog for Zobek or Trevor.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: darkwzrd4 on April 19, 2014, 07:43:12 PM
I really wanted Victor to do a "Grand Cross" move, like what Julius does. He holds up his combat cross, combines light magic into it, and then begins to hover as the cross releases the holiest light into the cathedral.

Something else I noticed about the story is that I never found myself being conflicted with whether to root for or be against Dracula. Most of the time he was just being a lap dog for Zobek or Trevor.
That's because he isn't at full power until the very end and that his memories are fragmented. It's only after repairing the mirror of fate that he is back at full power and remembers everything. But, yes I do see what you mean. I would have liked to see him tearing through enemies hunting down the acolytes and owning Satan on his own without any help from anyone only to be killed for good at the end by either Trevorcard or the current Belmont in the Brotherhood of Light (Victor).

But, things didn't turn out that way because Cox is a damned liar and Mercurysteam sucks!!!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 19, 2014, 08:24:12 PM
I just don't remember ever thinking about how I didn't like Dracula' actions. I just didn't care! I thought that he was going to be terrorizing civilians en masse, declaring the return of the dragon and how they should all fear their deaths.

As for the city, I wish that the city would have been designed like the epilogue city from the first game, with the brightly lit neon windows and the skyscrapers. It certainly wouldn't have been boring, and there's probably some gothic architecture that could work with it. 
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 21, 2014, 03:11:42 PM
You know, it's so strange watching the epilogue of the first game after playing through the second. The epilogue feels like it's part of another game, not the Lords of Shadow 2 we got. The epilogue is so brilliant and shocking, and Lords of Shadow 2 just does not make sense of the epilogue. It's sad, really.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Somacula on April 21, 2014, 06:30:42 PM
I just don't remember ever thinking about how I didn't like Dracula' actions. I just didn't care! I thought that he was going to be terrorizing civilians en masse, declaring the return of the dragon and how they should all fear their deaths.

As for the city, I wish that the city would have been designed like the epilogue city from the first game, with the brightly lit neon windows and the skyscrapers. It certainly wouldn't have been boring, and there's probably some gothic architecture that could work with it.

The VGA trailer was particularly misleading when it came to this. The trailers made it seem like Dracula was actually out for vengeance for what was done to him, even if it takes him an eternity. Of course, see none of this in the game. I really liked the idea of Dracula stalking the acolytes and taking them down one by one, showing them why Dracul should be feared and giving them a reason to hurry up daddy's little summoning ritual. I also expected sections of him forcing his own castle's blood into submission and getting back the loyalty of his troops as a result, as being the true master of the castle. Cutscenes of skirmishes between Satan's demons and Dracula's monsters would have been phenomenal.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 21, 2014, 07:10:46 PM
The VGA trailer did give me chills. It's a trailer that felt very "cold." And what happened to that speech that Dracula gives? Of course, in the game, he clearly does remember who he is, and doesn't ever come across as wanting to be back to power.

See, that's another thing about Lords of Shadow 2 that was wasted. We wake up in a modern world, probably exactly like our own. Imagine today, in the real world, if things like werewolves, demons, goblins, creatures of the night suddenly emerged in our world. It would have brought SO MUCH to the story to see the world reacting to these supposed myths, old wives tales, legends actually suddenly coming TRUE! And the return of the Dragon! Humanity should find itself facing ruin AGAIN (Just like Zobek said in the intro to the first game.) as the Prince of Darkness, the Lord of Shadow who conquered the others, is REAL, is ALIVE, and is looking to get even with everyone!
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Maedhros on April 21, 2014, 07:16:20 PM
Except I don't think it's exactly a world like us... I think the existence of monsters/etc wasn't actually hidden from people.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Somacula on April 21, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
It wasn't, but because of Drac's disappearance, everyone assumed that the Golden Paladin killed him. Oh, for the world to find out that the dragon was back would have overrun the chaos that the acolytes were trying to pull. In fact, it would have been great for Dracul's terror to completely overshadow Satan's. Satan could possibly even use that chaos and confusion to double-hijack the plot and say that that was his plan all along, so that he can get powered up even more by the time of the final battle. There could have been an entire dynamic where Dracula and Satan are fighting over whose influence is bigger while the rest of the world, not just one city, suffers for it and Alucard is forced to do something because his plan went way out of whack and so has to remind daddy dearest of the plan. It could have made for a good smack-in-the-head boss fight against Dracula using Alucard's MoF + Revelations move set before we regain control of the dragon again. Agh...the lost potential hurts and I should stop.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 22, 2014, 10:53:57 AM
The acolytes could have used Dracula's terror and return as a justification for why they needed to be in charge. They have the "solution" to Dracula's reign, that of their Lord (Satan) coming and wiping out the Dragon. It would be kinda like the anti-Christ.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 22, 2014, 10:30:33 PM
The acolytes could have used Dracula's terror and return as a justification for why they needed to be in charge. They have the "solution" to Dracula's reign, that of their Lord (Satan) coming and wiping out the Dragon. It would be kinda like the anti-Christ.
Interestingly enough, that's what Satan would do. The Great Schemer, the dark shadow that whispers convincing thoughts to lead people astray. Rhetoric so convincing that you'd never question it is wrong, even when it leads you by the neck down into depths of the pit. Satan(and his forces) wouldn't go for the direct approach. They'd taint the world and make it seem like their way is the justful way, and that Dracula is the evil one(who plans on destroying the world). I'd actually think that would've been an interesting take and a complete mindfuck. Make it so that Satan is portrayed as the hero to the people and wishes to help "save" the world from Dracula. Meh, might've been too much a concept for this version. Everything was so "direct". Dracula was direct, Satan was direct. Unlike the whole spiel about how the greatest trick the Devil performed was convincing the world he didn't exist, LoS's Satan is "Rawr! I'm muthafuckin SATAN!! Look at my buff evilness!!!"
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 23, 2014, 03:29:46 AM
The way they quickly killed off Humanity to replace them with stage enemies was stupid.

I really was not a fan of the apocalyptic scenery.

Darksiders did fucking AMAZING apocalyptic scenery. That was also 100 years AFTER the apocalypse, and hell had won it. So it gave them room to expand the concepts for the world.

But even then thats no excuse, they could have done better. Considering it was all about Hell rising and shit, you'd think they could have incorporated that into the world, like satanic structures rising out of the ground and becoming part of the architecture and shit like that, instead of ruined concrete building with steel girders #51298

I'll admit i did not expect an apocalypse scenario like this. At least not so early in the game. I expected to be hopping rooftops and back alleys while Humanity was initially unaware.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 23, 2014, 06:38:08 AM
I'm always reminded of Final Fantasy II's Pandemonium architecture when I think of something like that. It had these very cool crystalline structures on the inside. Plus, imagine the irony. Instead of a Belmont climbing to the throne room to fight Dracula, Dracula has to climb to Satan's throne room to fight him.

Plus, Pandemonium music is too dope.
Final Fantasy II Anniversary Edition - Castle Pandaemonium [Extended] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNpM8IAfPBA#ws)
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Post by: Kresnik on April 23, 2014, 08:54:26 AM
Interestingly enough, that's what Satan would do. The Great Schemer, the dark shadow that whispers convincing thoughts to lead people astray. Rhetoric so convincing that you'd never question it is wrong, even when it leads you by the neck down into depths of the pit. Satan(and his forces) wouldn't go for the direct approach. They'd taint the world and make it seem like their way is the justful way, and that Dracula is the evil one(who plans on destroying the world). I'd actually think that would've been an interesting take and a complete mindfuck. Make it so that Satan is portrayed as the hero to the people and wishes to help "save" the world from Dracula. Meh, might've been too much a concept for this version. Everything was so "direct". Dracula was direct, Satan was direct. Unlike the whole spiel about how the greatest trick the Devil performed was convincing the world he didn't exist, LoS's Satan is "Rawr! I'm muthafuckin SATAN!! Look at my buff evilness!!!"

^this, i rather have a satan like in the devil´s advocate, constantine or SMT, even Dante´s Inferno Satan was better
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 23, 2014, 09:04:59 AM
^this, i rather have a satan like in the devil´s advocate, constantine or SMT, even Dante´s Inferno Satan was better

It reminds me of Sauron. In the books, Sauron is never seen, but everyone still feels his terror and they know that he is planning his war and takeover of Middle-Earth. He's sneaky, quiet, and methodical.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 23, 2014, 09:14:12 AM
Interestingly enough, that's what Satan would do. The Great Schemer, the dark shadow that whispers convincing thoughts to lead people astray. Rhetoric so convincing that you'd never question it is wrong, even when it leads you by the neck down into depths of the pit. Satan(and his forces) wouldn't go for the direct approach. They'd taint the world and make it seem like their way is the justful way, and that Dracula is the evil one(who plans on destroying the world). I'd actually think that would've been an interesting take and a complete mindfuck. Make it so that Satan is portrayed as the hero to the people and wishes to help "save" the world from Dracula. Meh, might've been too much a concept for this version. Everything was so "direct". Dracula was direct, Satan was direct. Unlike the whole spiel about how the greatest trick the Devil performed was convincing the world he didn't exist, LoS's Satan is "Rawr! I'm muthafuckin SATAN!! Look at my buff evilness!!!"

You would think that's what he would do after getting the tar beaten out of him 1000 years ago. He would figure that he needs to stay low, be like the serpent, offer mankind a seductive fruit for their lives. All they need to do is surrender their lives and their souls to the Prince of the power of the air, the ruler of this world.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 23, 2014, 10:01:19 AM
I'm always reminded of Final Fantasy II's Pandemonium architecture when I think of something like that. It had these very cool crystalline structures on the inside. Plus, imagine the irony. Instead of a Belmont climbing to the throne room to fight Dracula, Dracula has to climb to Satan's throne room to fight him.

Plus, Pandemonium music is too dope.
Final Fantasy II Anniversary Edition - Castle Pandaemonium [Extended] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNpM8IAfPBA#ws)
It's like my little treatment of how I think LoS2 SHOULD'VE been. Also, there's the parallels between Pandemonium and Castlevania. What better way to end the LoS series than to venture into Satan's version of "Castlevania"? IMO, it makes perfect sense and SHOULD'VE been the way this series ended.

^this, i rather have a satan like in the devil´s advocate, constantine or SMT, even Dante´s Inferno Satan was better
Sly but intimidating all the same. I love Lucifer in The Prophecy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPoyezWAghE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPoyezWAghE)

Though it's not as in good quality, I found this scene considerably creepy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhT9KtQb0ac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhT9KtQb0ac)
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 23, 2014, 10:17:57 AM
Also, whenever I thought of Gabriel receiving his eternal rest, I thought he would awake in Heaven and find himself looking at something very similar to this.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20131220182317%2Ftheunitedorganizationtoonsheroes%2Fimages%2F8%2F86%2FBelmont_Family.jpg&hash=172dc8602d8a1506f319bf7a1c72fdcf)

He would find the members of his family, waiting there to bring him in to eternal rest, to be with all of his family again.

Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on April 26, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
So, when Dracul finds his castle under the occupation of the victorious brotherhood, at that time, the commander was a Belmont, right?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 26, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
So, when Dracul finds his castle under the occupation of the victorious brotherhood, at that time, the commander was a Belmont, right?

Apparently so, but it makes little sense considering that his castle is in, what we assume is, another dimension. Why would the brotherhood be there?
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 26, 2014, 10:49:51 PM
Apparently so, but it makes little sense considering that his castle is in, what we assume is, another dimension. Why would the brotherhood be there?
Theory time:

Since the Castle exists outside of time and space as a physical manifestation of Dracula's power, and given the presence of Clerics who can enter through portals and summon knights- Im gonna say, that the knights you face are all summoned there by Clerics. But given that the Casyle is outside of time and space, they are unknowingly summoned to it not in the material world, but that pocket dimension. So Modern Dracula, in his castle, which is a pocket dimension that is also technically in the modern time, is getting Brotherhood warriors from centuries before.

to simplify: Dracula is in present day, but the brotherhood warriors, in their respective timeframes, are unknowingly being sent via portal from the past, to that time displaced Castle. Dracula is literally fighting people that not two seconds before they were summoned, were still fighting Dracula's armies back in ancient Wygol.

Does that make sense? Because I think its neat.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 27, 2014, 07:31:07 AM
.

Does that make sense? Because I think its neat.
OK this sounds amazing
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Post by: Intersection on April 27, 2014, 07:35:28 AM
It doesn't explain why the Brotherhood knights are being sent in the first place. The clerics already have their own castle in their own timeline to deal with; they'd have no reason to seek out a 'pocket dimension' to fight in.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Anglachel on April 27, 2014, 09:13:43 AM
I wonder whatever happened to Gabriel's feelings for Laura. The first trailer had both Marie and Laura's tombs in the castle.
Title: Re: "The Dragon Returns" - Castlevania Lords of Shadow Sequel (HERE BE SPOILER INFO)
Post by: Flame on April 27, 2014, 05:32:07 PM
It doesn't explain why the Brotherhood knights are being sent in the first place. The clerics already have their own castle in their own timeline to deal with; they'd have no reason to seek out a 'pocket dimension' to fight in.
Because they don't know.

There are knights who enter the old fashioned way, and knights sent there from portals by clerics.

Some I imagine would end up in the castle, in their proper time in ancient times, but others, unknowingly get catapulted years into the future to Dracula's pocket dimension castle, because Time has no meaning for it and fucks with their spells. They don't know, because the surroundings are the same anyway, right down to the snowy mountains, and they all die at Dracula's hand anyway, or to the Castle's. It's not like they are going to return before winning.
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Post by: uzo on April 27, 2014, 08:27:40 PM
I wonder whatever happened to Gabriel's feelings for Laura. The first trailer had both Marie and Laura's tombs in the castle.

They're hanging out with Rinaldo, never to be seen again.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 27, 2014, 09:47:03 PM
They're hanging out with Rinaldo, never to be seen again.
Eh that's their prequel hook.
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Post by: Anglachel on April 28, 2014, 05:22:53 AM
I really do not want a prequel with the founders for a couple of reasons.

1. Some things are better left a mystery. I enjoy the secrecy behind Rinaldo and the Bernhard family. It makes it more interesting than if it was laid out plain in a prequel. Although, I would like to learn more about the Cronqvist family in this universe, but only just enough.  ;)

2. I don't know if I could really enjoy a prequel because in the back of my mind, I'll always remember that Lords of Shadow 2 is the ending to it all, and I could imagine that taking the fun away from it. I still wish something could be done to "fix" Lords of Shadow 2 before we ever got the Brotherhood story.
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Post by: Flame on April 28, 2014, 07:59:34 AM
Yknow I had a thought.

Ayami Kojima Gabriel.

y/n?
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Post by: Anglachel on April 28, 2014, 09:18:59 AM
Rhafiel from deviantart drew something like that, and it looks really good. Gabriel looks very similar to Juste Belmont.

http://www.deviantart.com/#/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-370268847?hf=1 (http://www.deviantart.com/#/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-370268847?hf=1)
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Post by: Flame on April 28, 2014, 10:30:10 AM
Hey thats pretty cool! I like how he retained that gold trim pauldron shoulders while making the outfit more clothes and less armor
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on April 28, 2014, 08:27:05 PM
Have you noticed that in Carmilla's lair, when you destroy plies of books, some of the remaining pages are LOS1 artwork?
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on April 29, 2014, 02:25:26 AM
Yknow I had a thought.

Ayami Kojima Gabriel.

y/n?

I've wondered about this myself, to be honest.  I do miss her artwork from the series, as much as I love the artwork for LoS.

Rhafiel from deviantart drew something like that, and it looks really good. Gabriel looks very similar to Juste Belmont.

http://www.deviantart.com/#/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-370268847?hf=1 (http://www.deviantart.com/#/art/Castlevania-Lords-of-Shadow-370268847?hf=1)

So that's what the finished piece loks like!  I remember seeing the WIP shot of it and thinking how good it was. 

Some sort of fusion of the series from both the orginal timeline and from LoS could be an interesting step forward.  Even with all of LoS's faults, Gabriel is still one of my favourite Castlevania characters.


 
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Post by: Anglachel on April 29, 2014, 07:00:17 AM
The best of both worlds.  ;D

Original timeline:
-Long, spanning history.
-Unique mythos
-Awesome, upbeat tunes

New timeline:
- Stellar art direction
- Rich, sometimes calming music
- The Combat Cross  8)
- Beautiful visuals
- Expansive world
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Post by: Anglachel on April 29, 2014, 10:28:54 AM
I've wondered about this myself, to be honest.  I do miss her artwork from the series, as much as I love the artwork for LoS.

So that's what the finished piece loks like!  I remember seeing the WIP shot of it and thinking how good it was. 

Some sort of fusion of the series from both the orginal timeline and from LoS could be an interesting step forward.  Even with all of LoS's faults, Gabriel is still one of my favourite Castlevania characters.


 

That reminds here of another cool art piece that I favorite.

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Always-will-be-a-Light-into-the-Blackest-Night-351711323 (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Always-will-be-a-Light-into-the-Blackest-Night-351711323)
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Post by: Flame on April 29, 2014, 01:21:31 PM
One thing LoS2 gets props for- is giving the Belmont clan a family crest.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs13.postimg.org%2F4dgc1n27p%2FCLOS2_2014_04_11_19_57_36_72.png&hash=9ce9d020eb09a22fdf088c1d28a1e136)

I'm surprised that the original timeline never gave the family some sort of crest or family coat of arms.



Also, yeah, the COmbat cross was IMO, a brilliant idea on how to change up the whip. It's both a whip AND a crucifix, which is awesome.
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on April 29, 2014, 03:27:57 PM
The soundtrack is superb in my opinion, it's been my default background chillout music since the demo rip was put out.  The ost for MoF's bene in my car permanently for months, and is about to get replaced by the ost for 2.

  Another thing in LoS's favour is the stellar voice acting, particularly from Rpbert Carlyle.  *That* scene in MoF gets me every time.  I didn't expect to love him as Drac, but he grew on me very quickly.  They gave him a very real reason to be so full of hate, with the personal tragedy of his family, especially him, Marie and Alucard being spot on.  Alucard's reimaging was also very badass.  I loved the fact that while they paid a lot of homage to Ayami Kojima's depiction of Al, at the same time they made him very distinctly different but equally as cool.  (I really want his coat!)  I would be very happy to see more of Gabe and this Al, especially Al, considering how much he's been up to off-screen.

I would love to see the art direction and graphics quality from 2, as seen so well in the castle sections, applied to a more traditional, full castle.  MoF had this, but it was far too short imo, and I wasn't amazingly keen on the art style for it, especially in the cutscenes.
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Post by: KaZudra on April 29, 2014, 05:22:51 PM
Combat Cross is something too Epic to not put in any future Castlevania game regardless of Canon, only gripe about it is the nonsensical seemingly infinite chain.


Also, If Simon had the Combat Cross replica, why didn't Victor have it?
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Post by: crisis on April 29, 2014, 05:31:02 PM
ive had that same question kaziz. i would figure trevors combat cross woulda been passed down the generations. now its just a mystery

so guys i have a new fav track. previously it was "first return to the castle," but now its this. its very eerie & unique, perfect for castlevania & it sounds like it couldve been in any of the other games. it took me a while but earlier today i finally realized that its in fact a remix of Belmonts Theme! i also made it my ringtone, lol

OST: Toy Maker's Theatre ~ Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 (Disc: 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ-8Y30_NWI#ws)
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Post by: Mike Belmont on April 29, 2014, 05:53:38 PM
One thing LoS2 gets props for- is giving the Belmont clan a family crest.

(Crest image)

I'm surprised that the original timeline never gave the family some sort of crest or family coat of arms.

Well, in the first games (CVIII and SCVIV precisely) I always considered the Whip upgrade icon as a "Belmont Family Emblem". Something like a distinctive for the Belmont Family. But I have to admit that the crest art (the Belmont Family and the other characters) from LoS are gorgeous :D.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 29, 2014, 06:01:11 PM
ive had that same question kaziz. i would figure trevors combat cross woulda been passed down the generations. now its just a mystery

so guys i have a new fav track. previously it was "first return to the castle," but now its this. its very eerie & unique, perfect for castlevania & it sounds like it couldve been in any of the other games. it took me a while but earlier today i finally realized that its in fact a remix of Belmonts Theme! i also made it my ringtone, lol

OST: Toy Maker's Theatre ~ Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 (Disc: 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ-8Y30_NWI#ws)
Sounds like something that could've been from an 80s swords & sorcery video game(all genres included) like Wizards & Warriors, Solstice or the Ultima series(see, they are all basically different genres).
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Post by: TatteredSeraph on April 30, 2014, 01:04:52 AM
ive had that same question kaziz. i would figure trevors combat cross woulda been passed down the generations. now its just a mystery

so guys i have a new fav track. previously it was "first return to the castle," but now its this. its very eerie & unique, perfect for castlevania & it sounds like it couldve been in any of the other games. it took me a while but earlier today i finally realized that its in fact a remix of Belmonts Theme! i also made it my ringtone, lol

OST: Toy Maker's Theatre ~ Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 (Disc: 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ-8Y30_NWI#ws)

  I loved that track during the game, together with the adoreable reaver animation projected onto the wall.  It reminded me a little of Fuju's (arist on Pixiv) chibified, slightly derpy, reavers/scaven: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=36800854. (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=36800854.) 

  Hmmmm.... regarding Victor not having Trevor's combar cross.... that's a really good point.  I'd have thougt that as well.
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Post by: Anglachel on May 04, 2014, 06:03:37 AM
Hey, has anyone ever seen this concept art for the first game?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.siliconera.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2Fcastlevania_009.jpg&hash=23438051015923fb7fa4252d4be70d7b)

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Post by: Chernabogue on May 04, 2014, 06:17:55 AM
It doesn't look like LoS at all.
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Post by: Anglachel on May 04, 2014, 06:13:29 PM
It is strange, but it was on the site I visited. http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/11/a-horde-of-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-demon-concepts/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/11/a-horde-of-castlevania-lords-of-shadow-demon-concepts/)

Also, I had a thought. Does anyone else wonder why Dracula's clothing is different when he wakes up? He wearing an old, battered tunic. And why is he wearing some strange ring on his finger?
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Post by: Melanicus on May 04, 2014, 06:22:30 PM



(An imagined dialogue for When Dracula talks with Zobek:)

Dracula: "Dude, Zobek, I know we're not really pals, but can you quit? I'm waking up to ash and dust here, man!"

Zobek: (Thinking: You won't be smellin' my ciggs for too much longer, BatBoy!)

Zobek: For the sake of our quest, I'll try, old friend!

Dracula: Thanks, man! Let's go get Satan and his children!

Zobek: Ha, "But enough talk, have at them!" (Thinking: I am become Death, ruler of the world...unless I screw it all up again...)

Alucard: (Thinking: He's gonna screw it up! My Mom said so...)

"Lieutenant"-ucard: Yes, master! 

Thanks everyone!!

 ;D

(BTW, My latest FanVideo: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3zk9uvZHqA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3zk9uvZHqA) )
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Post by: Anglachel on May 04, 2014, 07:37:58 PM
After beating the first Acolyte, Dracula whips out his smartphone.

@DaddyLucifer lol I just beat your bitch. :P Gonna go get ma kaos pwer back to pwn you! @LordBusinessman Coffee at your place? :D #Idon'tdrinkwine #zobek
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Post by: Melanicus on May 04, 2014, 11:00:47 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on May 05, 2014, 10:29:24 AM
You know, a great idea for the LOS universe, regardless of whoever does the next Castlevania, a Simon Quest ''remake''. Simon would have to recolect Dracul's remains and finally summoning Inner Dracula and a massive battle would take place in the castle. A game similar to SotN or Harmony, with story differences obviously. That way Simon would find out he is the grandson of Gabriel/Dracula and carry forward the Belmont legacy, so the Belmonts would know that the real evil is Inner Dracula and Gabriel not so much thus understanding Victor actions in the future. Alucard would help Simon, upgrades to the combat cross, Simon could find Gabriel's relics and pass them forward, something like that.
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Post by: Anglachel on May 05, 2014, 02:42:10 PM
That reminds me of an idea I had. What if there are Dracula's relics in the Lords of shadow universe, but they are the relics he acquired against the Lords of Shadow? The Shadow Gauntlet, the Seraph Shoulders, the Cyclone Boots, and the Light and Shadow medallions. Perhaps Gabriel did not get rid of these right away after gaining the Forgotten One's power, but as he wore them, his influence, his power, and his memories all drained into them, and the Belmonts find themselves against a "shadow" Dracula, similar in power but not the real thing.
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Post by: Flame on May 05, 2014, 03:23:34 PM
But LoS2 already established that the brotherhood recovered the relics from his castle, having rejected their holy power after becoming Dracul.

However, different Dracula relics would be interesting.
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Post by: Anglachel on May 06, 2014, 03:52:37 PM
Lol, this is random, but wouldn't the epilogue of Lords of Shadow 1 be fitting for an AllState "Mayhem" commercial?
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Post by: Asgardwolf on May 10, 2014, 11:31:32 AM
I`ll just drop this in here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaKkHlWIa7M&feature=youtu.be&a (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaKkHlWIa7M&feature=youtu.be&a)
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Post by: EstebanT on May 10, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
Why does that exist?!
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Post by: Flame on May 10, 2014, 09:30:49 PM
My sides are in orbit. That was hilarious.
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Post by: Somacula on May 11, 2014, 06:16:57 PM
So THAT's what happened to Gabe and Al after the game. Can't say that I'm disappointed.  :D
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Post by: Ahasverus on May 11, 2014, 10:43:28 PM
Should had been the after credits scene, a la Bayonetta. Game of the forever right there.
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Post by: DoctaMario on July 06, 2014, 08:13:52 PM
This game is awful. I actually am debating whether or not to finish it. How could they take a concept as free and easy as the PLAYER getting to play AS Dracula and fuck it up? Ugh.
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Post by: Anglachel on July 06, 2014, 08:44:02 PM
This game is awful. I actually am debating whether or not to finish it. How could they take a concept as free and easy as the PLAYER getting to play AS Dracula and fuck it up? Ugh.

I agree. The best part of the game, to me, is the prologue. It almost feels like that part of the game was developed first and then Alvarez stepped in to create a mess. I compare it to the opening scene of Revenge of the Sith. Prologue has:

- The beautiful, majestic throne room (perhaps the best looking throne room)
- 16th century setting
- Dracula showing off his powers of malevolence
- Feasting on the knights' blood
- "What is a man?" (Not the most appropriate time to say it, but it's delivered well, IMO)
- Magnificent castle backdrop. Looks just like it should.
- Paladin of God - Sniper of Goth anyone?
- Siege Titan was a better Titan experience than anything in the first game.
- Magical/religious elements (Paladin's prayer)
- Dracula's curse on God (I am His chosen one)
- Alucard shows up with a plan.

I'm sure that with video games, especially big ones, there's always going to be someone on the inside that just has to do it their way because it's "their way." They can't picture the game being successful unless what they want is in it, is in it. When you have DRACULA as the MAIN CHARACTER in the MODERN WORLD going up against SATAN, which is a fairly unique concept, people are going to jump all over that, because that sounds pretty frickin cool, right? So of course, Alvarez just had to be the director and had to insert his vision because...hey, what else could possibly work, right?
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Post by: Maedhros on July 07, 2014, 03:27:11 PM

- "What is a man?" (Not the most appropriate time to say it, but it's delivered well, IMO)

Why?
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Post by: crisis on July 07, 2014, 05:24:56 PM
Quote
This game is awful. I actually am debating whether or not to finish it. How could they take a concept as free and easy as the PLAYER getting to play AS Dracula and fuck it up? Ugh.

i wouldnt go so far to say it's AWFUL, there are certainly worse games out there than los2. but it does have its redeeming qualities, such as the castle which was simply breathtaking the first time i experienced it, the little nuances such as Dracula slitting his wrist on those sharp stone objects to offer blood, him eating beating hearts for energy, the way his gauntlet glows, etc. if you ignore the wack ending & other annoyances and just look at it for these aspects i listed for a second, they prevent the game from being downright awful because those things they did right were so awesome and perfect for a 3D Castlevania. also, the Alucard DLC. but to each his own of course
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on July 07, 2014, 05:46:37 PM
I agree. The best part of the game, to me, is the prologue. It almost feels like that part of the game was developed first and then Alvarez stepped in to create a mess. I compare it to the opening scene of Revenge of the Sith. Prologue has:

- The beautiful, majestic throne room (perhaps the best looking throne room)
- 16th century setting
- Dracula showing off his powers of malevolence
- Feasting on the knights' blood
- "What is a man?" (Not the most appropriate time to say it, but it's delivered well, IMO)
- Magnificent castle backdrop. Looks just like it should.
- Paladin of God - Sniper of Goth anyone?
- Siege Titan was a better Titan experience than anything in the first game.
- Magical/religious elements (Paladin's prayer)
- Dracula's curse on God (I am His chosen one)
- Alucard shows up with a plan.

I'm sure that with video games, especially big ones, there's always going to be someone on the inside that just has to do it their way because it's "their way." They can't picture the game being successful unless what they want is in it, is in it. When you have DRACULA as the MAIN CHARACTER in the MODERN WORLD going up against SATAN, which is a fairly unique concept, people are going to jump all over that, because that sounds pretty frickin cool, right? So of course, Alvarez just had to be the director and had to insert his vision because...hey, what else could possibly work, right?
GOOD:
Robert Carlyle Dracula
I'll even go further and include when old Drac first wakes up and slaughters the family.
Also, the dialogue between Dracula and Satan accolades is on point.
The main storyline and modern setting with Dracula vs. Satan awesome!
Best Death fight I've seen in any CV game!
Awesome Premium edition with the coffin and artbook!
Got Castlevania a triple A budget and some mainstream press I haven't seen since SOTN.

BADS:
The final battle vs. Satan (I mean, Leviathan)-horrible. The Satan battle from the first game was far superior.
Dracula vs. Alucard (possessed) could have been better.
The Belmont Battle  - terrible especially, huge Victor. I rather face Curse of Darkness Trevor from Curse of Darkness.
The Ending - I almost smashed the TV when I saw that! No conclusion!
Stealth missions. Terrible. Maybe if you really got a open world city full of people like at the beginning of the prologue. Where did everyone go?
Wolf time-traveling...no just no.
No extra modes except free-roaming...I probably won't play it again.
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Post by: Anglachel on July 07, 2014, 08:17:44 PM
I think the game started out very strong in the beginning. We have the delicious intro, the epic recap of the previous two games, and Dracula waking up again. I do agree that Gabriel waking up is a good part of the game. I was playing it with my girlfriend and the first thing she asked when Dracula realized he was awake was, "Do you think he hates that he's alive?" She even started tearing up when Dracula was outside, alone and sad. She felt so bad for him...until he slaughtered the family. Then she hated him.  :P

There really needed to be more moments like that in the game, moments when Dracula is just terrifying. Family scene was really the only one that made me feel "uneasy." Everything else felt more like an angry Gabriel than a true force of evil nature. And another thing to think about is how would moments like that play in Gabriel's redemption? What would he think if he slaughtered a group of demons, but he unwittingly saved a few humans doing so? How would that make him feel?

And where did everyone go? Underground, I guess. It's such a strange thing to remove humanity almost at the very beginning. I remember Flame mentioning how he thought we'd be chasing monsters over rooftops while humanity below Dracul was entirely unaware. THAT is stealth. (Also, I think Blood Relations would be a perfect moonlit, nighttime Castlevania chase theme.)

As for the ending battle, I was expecting it to be the full blown power of Satan striking Dracula, Alucard, and Victor Belmont. I thought I'd see Satanic magical runes bringing forth demons, dimensions being ripped apart (Dance of Illusions, anyone?), Dracula and Satan cultivating their fight with their dragon forms, and at long last Satan is thrown into the lake of fire. Dracula is slain by Victor Belmont with the VK, and Dracula's redemption, forgiveness, and love is complete at last.
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on July 08, 2014, 08:11:35 AM
I think the game started out very strong in the beginning. We have the delicious intro, the epic recap of the previous two games, and Dracula waking up again. I do agree that Gabriel waking up is a good part of the game. I was playing it with my girlfriend and the first thing she asked when Dracula realized he was awake was, "Do you think he hates that he's alive?" She even started tearing up when Dracula was outside, alone and sad. She felt so bad for him...until he slaughtered the family. Then she hated him.  :P

There really needed to be more moments like that in the game, moments when Dracula is just terrifying. Family scene was really the only one that made me feel "uneasy." Everything else felt more like an angry Gabriel than a true force of evil nature. And another thing to think about is how would moments like that play in Gabriel's redemption? What would he think if he slaughtered a group of demons, but he unwittingly saved a few humans doing so? How would that make him feel?

And where did everyone go? Underground, I guess. It's such a strange thing to remove humanity almost at the very beginning. I remember Flame mentioning how he thought we'd be chasing monsters over rooftops while humanity below Dracul was entirely unaware. THAT is stealth. (Also, I think Blood Relations would be a perfect moonlit, nighttime Castlevania chase theme.)

As for the ending battle, I was expecting it to be the full blown power of Satan striking Dracula, Alucard, and Victor Belmont. I thought I'd see Satanic magical runes bringing forth demons, dimensions being ripped apart (Dance of Illusions, anyone?), Dracula and Satan cultivating their fight with their dragon forms, and at long last Satan is thrown into the lake of fire. Dracula is slain by Victor Belmont with the VK, and Dracula's redemption, forgiveness, and love is complete at last.

Someone please do a fanfic of this  :'(
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Post by: Anglachel on July 08, 2014, 08:38:34 AM
We can all do a fanfic if we try hard enough.  :)
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Post by: Dracul_Belmont on July 08, 2014, 09:22:24 AM
We can all do a fanfic if we try hard enough.  :)

I started a fanfic once... ONCE

lol, but yeah I did, 26 pages long, but that was before LOS, and I liked that story better and I wanted to start from scratch, but I haven't started. I wanna do a fanfic about Simon's Quest, him fighting inner Dracula after acquiring some relics, which would be holy water, cyclone boots, seraph shoulders and the dark gauntlet. That would wake inner Dracula and find out about his father becoming a vampire and initiating the real blood feud between Dracula and the Belmont bloodline. The Belmonts would take upon themselves to stop Dracula until they are called to be the leaders of the BoL, and continue to fight the darkness.
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Post by: DoctaMario on July 08, 2014, 09:34:41 AM
I agree. The best part of the game, to me, is the prologue. It almost feels like that part of the game was developed first and then Alvarez stepped in to create a mess. I compare it to the opening scene of Revenge of the Sith. Prologue has:

- The beautiful, majestic throne room (perhaps the best looking throne room)
- 16th century setting
- Dracula showing off his powers of malevolence
- Feasting on the knights' blood
- "What is a man?" (Not the most appropriate time to say it, but it's delivered well, IMO)
- Magnificent castle backdrop. Looks just like it should.
- Paladin of God - Sniper of Goth anyone?
- Siege Titan was a better Titan experience than anything in the first game.
- Magical/religious elements (Paladin's prayer)
- Dracula's curse on God (I am His chosen one)
- Alucard shows up with a plan.

I'm sure that with video games, especially big ones, there's always going to be someone on the inside that just has to do it their way because it's "their way." They can't picture the game being successful unless what they want is in it, is in it. When you have DRACULA as the MAIN CHARACTER in the MODERN WORLD going up against SATAN, which is a fairly unique concept, people are going to jump all over that, because that sounds pretty frickin cool, right? So of course, Alvarez just had to be the director and had to insert his vision because...hey, what else could possibly work, right?

I agree 100% with this. I played the demo a bunch of times and was really looking forward to the game based on what i played. So far, it's been me sneaking around the set of a Metal Gear game. :P

i wouldnt go so far to say it's AWFUL, there are certainly worse games out there than los2. but it does have its redeeming qualities, such as the castle which was simply breathtaking the first time i experienced it, the little nuances such as Dracula slitting his wrist on those sharp stone objects to offer blood, him eating beating hearts for energy, the way his gauntlet glows, etc. if you ignore the wack ending & other annoyances and just look at it for these aspects i listed for a second, they prevent the game from being downright awful because those things they did right were so awesome and perfect for a 3D Castlevania. also, the Alucard DLC. but to each his own of course

I'm at Carmilla now. How far am I into the game and if not that far, how much farther do I have to go until it picks up?
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Post by: The Silverlord on July 08, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
Just started downloading LoS2 from Xbox.com (currently 50% sale, 4.06GB) . . . also downloading Bloodrayne Betrayal too (also 50% off).

Not being playing many games lately outside of Geometry Wars 2!  These'll keep me going over summer, haha!
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on July 08, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
Just started downloading LoS2 from Xbox.com (currently 50% sale, 4.06GB) . . . also downloading Bloodrayne Betrayal too (also 50% off).

Not being playing many games lately outside of Geometry Wars 2!  These'll keep me going over summer, haha!

I wish the crew that did Bloodrayne Betrayal would also do a next gen 2D Castlevania game!

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Post by: Anglachel on July 09, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
I had some thoughts about a fan version of the Satan fight.

- Victor Belmont plays a bigger role in the story overall (and acts like a proper Belmont, crazy about killing Dracula. Would like a more Julius-looking design, such as a leather jacket and brown hair) and is active in the fight against Satan, along with Alucard and Dracula.
- The setting. The Leviathan...no. Leviathan itself should be redesigned and play a role in the story (tying in with Revelation) rather than being the final boss setting. I did, however, like the stars in the sky in the fight. I want to see something grand, mysterious, something very dream-like. Similar to Final Fantasy 2's Castle Pandemonium. Look at the throne room here. (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20090911210514%2Ffinalfantasy%2Fimages%2F1%2F12%2FEmperor_Mateus_soul_final_battle.png&hash=33161b14f2efd81e0de9ed2261b376ab)
It looks like something very netherworld like, like it's physical and yet not quite real. I wanted to see something grand and terrible too, just like Castle Pandemonium.
- And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. - Revelation 12 We all need this. Satan's ultimate dragon form, with which he deceives the whole world. Alucard and Victor are nothing against this monster. Only the Dracul can defeat this abomination.
- Magic, occultism, Satanism, witchcraft, dark arts, black magic. I'm talking Satanic runes, enchanted spells only the Devil can proclaim, supernatural wonders not seen before, dimensions bending in and out of reality. These should not only be in the final battle, but in the story as well. There was a strong lack of the supernatural element in LoS2 compared to the first game.
-Satan's attempts to bring the Belmonts over to his side. Say, there's three Belmonts here. I am missing three acolytes. How would you like to take their place at the throne of the Dragon, the Prince of Darkness?
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Post by: Flame on July 11, 2014, 03:55:48 PM
It's such a strange thing to remove humanity almost at the very beginning. I remember Flame mentioning how he thought we'd be chasing monsters over rooftops while humanity below Dracul was entirely unaware. THAT is stealth.

thats exactly what I was expecting. I mean, we saw the mechas and shit, so i was expecting this to be the grand battle between Dracula and Satan, with Humanity caught up in the middle.

I mean, some level of apocalypse is ok, I mean, thats what it was, but to just "lolded" all of the humans was just a cheap copout. And the apocalyptic modern scenery was bland and boring. all concrete parking lots and walls and shit.

You can clearly see the drops in quality. the area where Dracula exits the church is great, nicely made, as is the exterior of the corporation. but once everything goes to shit, it all becomes the same shitty hues of yellow/red and musty brown. As opposed to the vibrant, yknow, "FUTURE!" of bright neon lights and billboards. that kind of shit looked neat. I was expecting everything to look like that. instead it was the same old architecture only with pipes and wires now.

"lolmutants" was a shitty enemy.

notice how each section of the castle had unique enemies? Exterior areas had Order Knights, who also appear in some of the more "open" areas of the interior, such as the ballroom. the underground city had those wardens and their minions, along with skeletons, and a brief encounter with Harpies of the Depths, and culminates in a fight with Gorgon sisters.

Library had skeletons and Carmilla, who, aside from being a vampire queen, was also known to have turned her loyal human servants into skeletons to serve her in undeath. despite not fighting many skeletons in loS1's castle, they were still a staple for her, considering she's not a vampire in her LoS2 appearance. yknow?


Bernhard Wing had vampires, some knights in the ballroom, harpies in the large well/watery place, since it's really vertical, and culminates in a golem boss fight in the void room

maybe it's just because many of the enemies in the castle are at least somewhat relatable to classic enemies, but they seemed much more vivid and appropriate for their areas, and they were in specific areas- for example the balcony has harpies, because its outdoors- but the modern city just has the same exact variations of mutants EVERYWHERE and all the boss fights are some kind of demon or something. i dont even remember the modern city boss fights except for Victor and Death. Which are, of course, iconic characters. Death and a Belmont. Both who fight as youd expect them to, and in appropriately designed areas.

LoS2 just makes me so damn sad. Its such wasted potential. I mean, set pieces like the overlook tower where you fight the Second Acolyte, that whole part, is glorious. Dracula dragging him to his own world, where he has the strength of his castle.

Oh, also, im disappointed Gabriel never impales anyone. Carmilla doesn't count. (though it was brutal as fuck and I loved it) I mean like, Vlad style spitroast.
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Post by: crisis on July 11, 2014, 04:18:09 PM
i hated fighting those mechas.. so damn annoying lol
that situation should be beneath Dracula >.<

come to think of it, i dont think i ever used the Dragon form not even once
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Post by: darkmanx_429 on July 11, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
i hated fighting those mechas.. so damn annoying lol
that situation should be beneath Dracula >.<

come to think of it, i dont think i ever used the Dragon form not even once

You know what, I never used the Dragon Form either?! I was saving it for the final battle I thought, and was really disappointed.
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Post by: Anglachel on July 11, 2014, 05:32:52 PM
I found the best boss fights to be the Daughter of Satan and the Riders of the Storm. Both of the them had a great atmosphere (especially DoS's, with the moon, destroyed rooftop, and the magical aura above) about them and the enemies themselves were fantastically designed. I think Lords of Shadow 2 really needed more of the "weird" enemies, like the very grotesque, ugly, and creepy monsters like in other games.
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Post by: Flame on July 13, 2014, 12:09:28 AM
I mentioned the mutants before, and Ill expand on that; different parts of the city should have had different kinds of mutants. i find it very hard to believe that all of humanity mutated into identical types. if there were at least a few more variations, maybe with better aesthetics, maybe we could have worked with that. because the mutants we got just looked like shit. Some of the demons were alright, Satan Soldiers were alright, though a bit too basic, the dark apostles were fucking FANTASTIC though.

I also hated how enemies had that cheap "dont you run away from me" attack if you tried to leave the area by jumping or climbing
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Post by: Kingshango on July 13, 2014, 02:30:29 AM
Flame just reminded me of something regarding the modern day enemies. From the first return to modern day, the blood of the castle follows you out and spawns vampires but soon after they don't appear anymore.

First off, why does this stop happening? And second, why doesn't the blood of the castle just take over the city if it can follow Dracula out?
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Post by: Flame on July 13, 2014, 07:58:09 AM
That was a chance event where it followed Dracula through the portal.

Its overall purpose is to show us it isn't just a hallucinations or something.  A fact later cemented by the second acolyte encounter
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 13, 2014, 06:13:40 PM
That was a chance event where it followed Dracula through the portal.

Its overall purpose is to show us it isn't just a hallucinations or something.  A fact later cemented by the second acolyte encounter
Yeah, that surprised me. I kept thinking that when you went to the castle, you were going back in time. But, that wasn't the case at all. The castle seems to exist in some form in it's own dimension.

And, also like Flame said, the city enemies were too generic. Mutated humans who all looked the same except for their weapons. Again, as Flame said, why couldn't there be some variety in the mutations. Given that no one has the exact same body chemistry, I would think that the gas would effect people in different ways giving them different appearances and abilities.

It was like MS half-assed the city parts. The castle, at least, was done right. It had a variety of enemies placed in areas that made sense and it actually felt like a CV when in the castle. Too bad MS didn't make the city sections feel the same way.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on July 13, 2014, 06:36:44 PM
It was like MS half-assed the city parts. The castle, at least, was done right. It had a variety of enemies placed in areas that made sense and it actually felt like a CV when in the castle. Too bad MS didn't make the city sections feel the same way.

^Pretty much this. To me, the game felt like 1/2 Castlevania, 1/4 half-assed Metal Gear, and 3/4 half-assed Darksiders II.

The Revelations DLC, though? That was pretty damn awesome. I enjoyed the hell outta that.
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Post by: Anglachel on July 13, 2014, 06:42:54 PM
I had expected the city to be slowly overrun by classic enemies after Dracula woke up. Wargs, mermen, minotaurs, werewolves, and lesser demons would swarm the streets, killing humanity all over the earth. It's too bad we didn't see more of the world outside of the city.

I think the castle was done well, but I have a craving for a bigger castle. I mean, monstrous. Of course, hardware limitations get in the way...but just imagine a SOTN style castle done in sprawling 3D. Imagine the Alchemy Laboratory, with its gold pillars and grand statues brought to 3D. Or think of the Royal Chapel! Walking down pews towards a reverent cross, with stain glass windows filtering in the moonlight's beams to shower color over the church floor.


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Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 14, 2014, 10:17:14 AM
I had expected the city to be slowly overrun by classic enemies after Dracula woke up. Wargs, mermen, minotaurs, werewolves, and lesser demons would swarm the streets, killing humanity all over the earth. It's too bad we didn't see more of the world outside of the city.

I think the castle was done well, but I have a craving for a bigger castle. I mean, monstrous. Of course, hardware limitations get in the way...but just imagine a SOTN style castle done in sprawling 3D. Imagine the Alchemy Laboratory, with its gold pillars and grand statues brought to 3D. Or think of the Royal Chapel! Walking down pews towards a reverent cross, with stain glass windows filtering in the moonlight's beams to shower color over the church floor.
Now that would be epic.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 14, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
I had expected the city to be slowly overrun by classic enemies after Dracula woke up. Wargs, mermen, minotaurs, werewolves, and lesser demons would swarm the streets, killing humanity all over the earth. It's too bad we didn't see more of the world outside of the city.

I think the castle was done well, but I have a craving for a bigger castle. I mean, monstrous. Of course, hardware limitations get in the way...but just imagine a SOTN style castle done in sprawling 3D. Imagine the Alchemy Laboratory, with its gold pillars and grand statues brought to 3D. Or think of the Royal Chapel! Walking down pews towards a reverent cross, with stain glass windows filtering in the moonlight's beams to shower color over the church floor.
I really wanted more classic monsters returning too.

And yeah, your description of a 3D CV is what my ideal CV would be like. That and LOTS of vertical areas(with REAL platforming). Interesting thing about SotN's castle and the Alchemy Lab in particular, if you pay careful the background, it's like a city within the castle itself. When I used to create my own Castlevania areas in high school, I always took this into consideration. I created a version of the Marble Gallery that, in it's center, had a massive marble fountain that depicts a battle between demons and mankind, at the least, being 5 storeys high. YOu'd also be able to enter it(the lower level has flood gates that allow access into inner chambers, as well as a tunnel to the water area of the castle).
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Post by: crisis on July 14, 2014, 06:14:26 PM
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I think the castle was done well, but I have a craving for a bigger castle. I mean, monstrous. Of course, hardware limitations get in the way...but just imagine a SOTN style castle done in sprawling 3D. Imagine the Alchemy Laboratory, with its gold pillars and grand statues brought to 3D. Or think of the Royal Chapel! Walking down pews towards a reverent cross, with stain glass windows filtering in the moonlight's beams to shower color over the church floor.

dont let everyone saying "that would be awesomely perfect" fool you, rest assured even if they did exactly that we'll still find a reason(s) to complain about it. its the nature of the cv fan lol
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Post by: Anglachel on July 15, 2014, 08:12:14 AM
dont let everyone saying "that would be awesomely perfect" fool you, rest assured even if they did exactly that we'll still find a reason(s) to complain about it. its the nature of the cv fan lol

The problem that I had with the castle was the same with the city: it was all too dark, and not in atmosphere but in design. Some more color and variety would have been neat. Agreus' garden should have been expanded, perhaps with some evil owls, demon trees, and satyrs patrolling the forests. It would have been cool to have the Castle Treasury from Harmony of Dissonance, or the Eternal Corridor from CotM. So many cool locations would look fantastic in 3D.

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Post by: Claimh Solais on July 15, 2014, 11:00:32 AM
Agreus' garden should have been expanded, perhaps with some evil owls, demon trees, and satyrs patrolling the forests.

No, man, you don't understand the realism of having THAT FUCKING MANY LEAVES ALL OVER THE FLOOR. LIKE SERIOUSLY.
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Post by: Flame on July 15, 2014, 04:22:26 PM
anyone got that LoS1 teaser that someone put Cv music to? i think it was the Cv64 bloody tears or something, and then VK

nevermind I found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIu0ywRazGg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIu0ywRazGg)
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Post by: Anglachel on August 06, 2014, 01:58:36 PM
I think it would be cool if the Paladin's cross was somehow actually important to defeating Satan. Or maybe at the end, when Dracula returns to God's side and fights the Devil, he, Alucard, and Victor all recite the Paladin's prayer (Dracula saying it in faith and not mockery this time) and the power from the angels is what throws Satan into the pit.
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Post by: crisis on August 07, 2014, 01:12:49 PM
since this topic was resurrection, i jsut wanted to bring up something thats been on my mind for a while:

for one, the initial idea presented concerning the castle itself was very unique & different for the series. the fact that after centuries of misery & revenge, Dracula finally wants out of eternal life. i like this particular line: "This castle has been my home for many centuries.. now all I want to do is escape." the fact that the very essence of the castle itself would cry out to Dracula "we are your family now.. dont leave us!" was creepily awesome. That's nearing Shakespearian territory man. i kinda wish the "canon" Dracula wouldve gone through a similar arc (he kinda did in Symphony, but thats another debate). i loved how at first the game made it unclear whether the castle segments were just part of draculas psyche, another dimension, or him somehow travelling to the past. they shouldve def kept that up, without actually giving us a definitive answer. it started off as a unique psychological aspect to the series we haven't seen before, and probably wont see again. wouldve been great speculation & debate here, on what was "real" and what wasnt. i really wish they would explore this kinda stuff further in future games, so castlevania would finally have a real interesting perhaps thought-provoking narrative paired with excellent platforming & beautiful graphics/music

anybody else agree/disagree?
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Post by: Anglachel on August 07, 2014, 07:44:24 PM
I agree with what you said and I disagree with how the game handled it.

Aside from being the coolest looking portion of the game, the castle had great moments worthy of Castlevania. The Inner Dracula boss was a perfect boss for the series. The blood of the castle was a unique plot device for the game. It was very unsettling to hear the voices of the demon blood beg Dracula to not go then summon monsters to fight him.

While I don't think Castlevania is a series with profoundly deep messages, descending into Dracula's psyche even further would have been neat. That could have further amplified the craziness and horror that Lords of Shadow 2 could have delivered. Revelations did this well with the Forbidden Wing, hearing Dracula's cries and writings in blood on the floors. (Note: Should have been used to present...bloody tears.  ;) )

Now that I think about it, the castle and the city both feel like two separate games that MercurySteam couldn't decide which one to fully develop so they just meshed the two together without thinking all the knots through.
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Post by: The Silverlord on August 08, 2014, 06:00:02 AM
i wouldnt go so far to say it's AWFUL, there are certainly worse games out there than los2. but it does have its redeeming qualities, such as the castle which was simply breathtaking the first time i experienced it, the little nuances such as Dracula slitting his wrist on those sharp stone objects to offer blood, him eating beating hearts for energy, the way his gauntlet glows, etc. if you ignore the wack ending & other annoyances and just look at it for these aspects i listed for a second, they prevent the game from being downright awful because those things they did right were so awesome and perfect for a 3D Castlevania. also, the Alucard DLC. but to each his own of course

Just completed the game, and agree with you crisis.

The game features so many characters with differing temperament and motive (Satan, Death, Dracula, The Castle itself, Victor, Agreus, Carmilla, Marie/Young Trevor, Alucard?), it’s no surprise the game feels at times all over the place.  It doesn’t seem to tie much down.

I think they did rather well with Dracula as protagonist.  You get a genuine sense you have awoken from a deep slumber.  Alien environments, stealth sequences, mechs, and all manner of sinister motive at play as forces fight the moment.  The castle setting almost serves to awaken Dracula even as it awakens and familiarises the player.  I didn’t really know where I stood in terms of the plot: pretty much led down a path and having to hold strong to Dracula’s vision of ending it all.  The game really showed Dracula’s great strength in presence and will.  And those pain item boxes, sacrificing blood to open doors and such were marvellous touches which helped bring home the character.

I didn’t think the twist with Alucard was half bad, even if the underlying premise of their pact wasn’t too apparent.


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Post by: The Silverlord on August 08, 2014, 06:10:02 AM
i loved how at first the game made it unclear whether the castle segments were just part of draculas psyche, another dimension, or him somehow travelling to the past. they shouldve def kept that up, without actually giving us a definitive answer. it started off as a unique psychological aspect to the series we haven't seen before, and probably wont see again. wouldve been great speculation & debate here, on what was "real" and what wasnt

Agreeing, and yeah, it was certainly something else.  What I said in my last post: while the castle was familiar to the player in some respects, it was 'cos of this element that you couldn't quite be sure what was going on.  Odds seem all stacked against Drac, everyone else has motive while Drac is apparently in the dark.  While it seems like you're forced down a set or chain of events with Marie and Trevor (and that wolf), I guess in a sense he is forced in that direction, given the late twist, hence to remember events.  Dracula's presence and will might fly in the face of this contradiction, but it's like his strength was in following fate and some sense of inner honour.
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Post by: Anglachel on August 17, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
I don't know if we need any more conspiracy theories on here but I thought I'd mention this.

A while back, Flame mentioned that Alvarez wasn't listed in the credits for MOF, but recently on Twitter he claimed he was involved in response to someone asking if he was on that team.
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Post by: Flame on August 19, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
It wouldn't surprise me, he IS the head of MS and the general head of the LoS project, but as far as the nitty gritty? he was very likely NOT involved. He was definitely NOT on the writing team, and that's what really matters. And it makes sense.

MoF feels like a pretty good continuation of where LoS left off, with Gabriel as Dracula. LoS2 though feels entirely disjointed from anything else.
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Post by: Maedhros on August 22, 2014, 06:03:12 PM
I agree with having only the Castle as being the playable area. It would make the game 100% better. I could deal with the bullshit story then.
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Post by: DoctaMario on August 24, 2014, 07:40:00 AM
^^I just finished the game last night and overall that was my impression. The city sequences were kind of weird and while ok at times, generally the parts of the game I liked the least.

In all I'm not sure how I feel about the game. Part of me wants to give it another shot but another part of me is like, "Eh, once is enough" and that's rarely a feeling I have about CV games. I'm kind of disappointed.
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Post by: Anglachel on August 24, 2014, 11:07:45 AM
I feel like I'm one of the few people who would have wanted the second game to be linear, especially after seeing how bad the open world aspect is.

The linear, chapter-by-chapter of the first game felt much simpler. It was straightforward. Plus, it felt good to go back and replay levels finding out where missing treasures were. It felt like true progression from a Castlevania game. And I do miss the narrations. I would have loved to have Dracula narrate the chapters.



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Post by: DoctaMario on August 25, 2014, 09:37:08 AM
I feel like I'm one of the few people who would have wanted the second game to be linear, especially after seeing how bad the open world aspect is.

The linear, chapter-by-chapter of the first game felt much simpler. It was straightforward. Plus, it felt good to go back and replay levels finding out where missing treasures were. It felt like true progression from a Castlevania game. And I do miss the narrations. I would have loved to have Dracula narrate the chapters.

Agreed. I felt like the fact that they had to have a map with your point of destination marked on it was a bit of a giveaway that the levels aren't exactly well designed and that your objectives weren't very well laid out. If I'm not sure where I'm going and why I'm going there...  :P