Author [EN] [PL] [ES] [PT] [IT] [DE] [FR] [NL] [TR] [SR] [AR] [RU] [ID] Topic: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA  (Read 18209 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Crying Freeman

  • Legendary Hunter
  • ****
  • Posts: 562
  • Gender: Male
  • With his Whip and Courage
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Super Castlevania IV (SNES)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2016, 09:49:02 AM »
0
I can understand your reasoning. However, Trevor being "the originator of the Belmont warlord line" would already conflict with the Japanese manual and intro, since it establishes the Belmonts as already having fighting experience before him. Although I suppose it would be odd for the NoA localisers to call him that. Not sure how Christopher was meant to relate to Simon and Trevor in NoA material.

Ooooh yeah that's right lol, I forgot that even in the english intro it says "The Belmonts have a long history of fighting evil". As for Chris, I did take a look in the CV guide book, no story for the GB games. Odd cus the rest of the games (including 4, which claims it's a new game like the english intro). Still a great book, some of the writing is cheesey. Plus the cover has the full art of CV4's US and PAL box, which IMO alone makes it worth getting.

Offline Nagumo

  • Midnight Memory
  • Global Moderator
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 3119
  • Gender: Female
  • Awards Town Crier: Updates the forum with many news items, often not even Castlevania. Capable of resolving arguments/fights peacefully without mod/admin intervention. The Unfazed: Never loses his/her calm, even in the most heated arguments. Master Debater: Gracefully argues 'til the cows come home about topics.
    • Awards
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2017, 06:21:51 AM »
0
I bumped this topic because I found something very interesting:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czjd5wNXAAALa-a.jpg

This is an advertisement for Akumajou Densetsu. It contains the following sentence: "ドラキュラがまた眠りから覚めるという。" Translation: "It's said Dracula has once again awoken from his slumber". This suggest that Akumajou Densetsu was not originally intented to be the first confrontation between Dracula and the Belmonts.

Furthermore, I also want point something out that's written in the Dracula Densetsu manual. Christopher is called the "progenitor of the Belmont family" (ベルモンド家の先祖). Previous translations have confused "progenitor" with "ancestor" but that's a translation error. Further proof that Dracula Densetsu used to be the origin tale of the series. This also ties into Dracula Densetsu II's ending that states the Belmont family would become a vampire hunter lineage from that point on, firmly placing it before the events of Akumajou Densetsu.

If anyone is interested, I could make a point that summarizes all the evidence I have gathered so far. Without question, Christopher was originally meant to predate Ralph by several centuries.   

Offline theplottwist

  • Canon Literalist
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 1848
  • プロットツイスト君
  • Awards 2018-06 Sprite Contest First Place 2017-07-Sprite Contest 2nd PLace 2016-09-Sprite Contest First Place 2015 - Christmas Award First Place 2015 - Halloween Sprite Contest - Second Place
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Castlevania Adventure Rebirth (Wii)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2017, 02:54:18 PM »
0
Huh, but wasn't Christopher meant to BE Trevor?
The mastermind behind the "Umbra of Sorrow" project. But not the only one.

Offline Lumi Kløvstad

  • Specialist in Revolutions, Smuggling, Gunrunning, Bootlegging, and Orgies
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 1945
  • Simon's in goddamn Smash
  • Awards Permanent Resident: Seems to always be around to post/reply.
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Castlevania 64 (N64)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2017, 04:51:22 PM »
0
If anyone is interested, I could make a point that summarizes all the evidence I have gathered so far. Without question, Christopher was originally meant to predate Ralph by several centuries.   

Oh god please do. Very interested!
How not to be a dark lord: the answer to that is a terribly interesting answer that involves an almost Jedi-like adherence to keeping oneself under control and finding ways to be true to yourself in a way that doesn't encourage the worst parts of you to become dangerously exaggerated and instead feeds your better nature. Also, protip: don't fuck with Alchemy or strike up any deals with ancient Japanese Shinigami gods no matter how tempting the deal or how suavely dressed the Shinigami is.

Offline X

  • Xenocide
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 9361
  • Gender: Male
  • Awards SuperOld Dungeonite: Members who have been around since the oldOLD days. The Unfazed: Never loses his/her calm, even in the most heated arguments. The Retro Gamer: Has a heated passion for the oldschool VG Titles.
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Super Castlevania IV (SNES)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2017, 09:06:54 PM »
0
Quote
Huh, but wasn't Christopher meant to BE Trevor?

From what I've heard about being talked here in the past, he apparently was.
"Spirituality is God's gift to humanity...
Religion is Man's flawed interpretation of Spirituality given back to humanity..."

Offline Nagumo

  • Midnight Memory
  • Global Moderator
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 3119
  • Gender: Female
  • Awards Town Crier: Updates the forum with many news items, often not even Castlevania. Capable of resolving arguments/fights peacefully without mod/admin intervention. The Unfazed: Never loses his/her calm, even in the most heated arguments. Master Debater: Gracefully argues 'til the cows come home about topics.
    • Awards
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2017, 10:24:36 AM »
0
Huh, but wasn't Christopher meant to BE Trevor?

Right. I'll address this in my overview. This confusing naming situation seems to be the result of developers from both games making odd decisions in that regard.

We know Christopher was a pre-existing character in the Castlevania universe even before the games he starred in were released, as he is mentioned in the Japanese manual for the first Famicom Akumajou Dracula. For that reason, let's begin by examining the contents of this manual.

Quote from: Akumajou Dracula Famicom manual
Transylvania, a small, peaceful country in Europe’s Middle Ages. In this country, there is a legend about Dracula.

“Once every hundred years, when powers of Christ weaken, the prayers of those with evil hearts revive the Demon King Dracula. Then, upon his return, his dark powers grow more powerful.”

Once, long ago, Dracula returned to this world. However, Dracula’s ambitions to enshroud the whole world with clouds of evil and rule over a world of darkness were crushed thanks to the hero Christopher Belmont.

Dracula was defeated by Christopher Belmont in a battle to the death, and once again entered a hundred year slumber in the Transylvanian countryside. One Easter night, a town held a grand carnival commemorating the resurrection of Christ. However, in a ruined cathedral on the outskirts of town, heretics poured human blood over the remains of Count Dracula in a Black Mass ceremony, hoping to resurrect the Undying.

Then, at the moment when evil clouds covered the town, and a bolt of lightning tore through the cathedral, the Demon King Dracula, with evil ambition, once again returned to this world.

To solve this crisis, Simon, a young man inheriting the blood of the Belmont line, took up the whip imbued with strange powers, which he inherited from his father, and set off alone towards Castle Dracula."
 

Let's break the backstory down:

- Dracula revived at some point in the past.
- He was defeated by a person named Christopher Belmont.
- A 100 years passed since then.
- Because there's a legend that says "Dracula revives every 100 years" this implies Dracula has been around for quite a while, at least a couple of centuries.

Moving on to Castlevania: The Adventure/Dracula Densetsu for GB which was the first of the two games to come out in 1989. Let's once again look at the manual. 

Quote from: Dracula Densetsu manual
In Transylvania, a small country in Europe, there still exists a legend about  a Warlock. There exists a legend about the Demon King Dracula who possesses strong magical powers and terrifies people.

However, even though Dracula revived many times, without turning the world into darkness,  he completely perished. Due to Simon who inherited the blood of the Belmont family... 

There were repeated confrontations between Simon and Dracula. However, the Demon King already existed in Transylvania before his first confrontation with Simon. Not as the Demon King Dracula, but as an evil sorcerer.

Count Dracula, who was a fanatic devil worshipper, built a dark castle at the outskirts of Transylvania and performed devil rites every night. Furthermore, he called forth many demons from another world as servants and was trying to become a Demon King with eternal life and magical powers. The people of the town were frightned and scared of Count Dracula whose powers that he obtained became more hideous day by day. 

Then a man stood up. Christopher, the progenitor of the Belmont family. Christopher rushed to the dark castle with haste. There are many traps and monsters in the castle. Will he be able to beat Count Dracula who has become Demon King?

We learn the following:

- This is Dracula's origin story.
- Christopher is the first Belmont.

By the way, the tagline of the game is as follows: "すべての戦いはここから始まる。" (All of the fighting will begin from this point on).

If we compare this information with the details that are given about the Christopher backstory in manual of the first game, we can see only one of the neccessary criteria has been met: the fact that the person we are controlling in the game is named Christopher. The rest of the information we have obtained conflicts with the other criteria. Conclusion: The Adventure/Dracula Densetsu is a distant prequel to the first game but not the direct prequel that was set up in the manual. For whatever reason, the name "Christopher" was given to the progenitor Belmont.

Two months later Castlevania III/Akumajou Densetsu comes out for the Famicom. This time let's take a look at the game's intro:
Quote from: Akumajou Densetsu opening
Europe, 15th century. In this dark age there lived a terrifying man.  Vlad Ţepeş of Transylvania, also known as Dracula

He, for who enjoying slaughter and causing destruction in every conceivable way was not enough,  restored a magic that had been lost in the far distant past and brought back a dark heretic god into this world.

The mad lord asked the heretic god for help, send out  abominable demons into the world one after the other, and changed the whole land of Wallachia into a land of darkness and slaughter.

The lord who was blinded by ambition, at last, plotted to extend his demonic hands all over Europe. He was about to defile this land and dye it with blood...

The Orthodox Church who viewed the situation with great concern, immediately took action and sent troops. Furthermore, even this in land there were those who tried to challange Dracula to a fight. However, therer were none who returned with their lives while fully intact...

The Orthodox Church at their wits' end, at last decided to leave the subjugation of Dracula to the Belmont family, who were called true vampire hunters. 

The Belmont family was an old lineage dating back to ancient times who survived battles against abominable beings.

However, because their powers were too distant from that of humans, they were feared and shunned by people. For this reason, without notice, they disappeared from the public eye and no-one saw them in a long time...

The Pope used all possible means and finally, he managed to come across a human who inherited the Belmont bloodline.  The name of this man was Ralph Belmont.

Some hundred years before the time of Simon Belmont, here and now, the battle between Dracula and humans is about to begin...

Reading this intro, the story doesn't seem to meet the criteria either save for one: the game takes place "some hundred years" before the time of Simon Belmont. Well, that's confusing, isn't?

However, when looking further, we come across the advertisement I mentioned earlier. It contains the sentence: "ドラキュラがまた眠りから覚めるという。" Translation: "It's said Dracula has once again awoken from his slumber". Great! Now we know Dracula has revived. A second criterion has been met!

That leaves us with one more criterion: the name of the protagonist should be "Christopher". When we look at the character profiles in the game's manual, we discover that the main character's full name is "Ralph C. Belmont". What does the initial "C" stand for then? For the answer we have to turn to an interview with the person responsible for the story of this game.

Quote from: interview
Q: The C of Ralph C. Belmont was Christopher?
A: The C of Ralph C. Belmont is Christopher. I don't know if it's written in the documentation.

Now we know the protagonist's full name is Ralph Christopher Belmont. That leaves us with something to work with. Did Ralph eventually came to be known under the name Christopher in the legends about his exploits? That's just speculation but considering this information I consider that be another criterion that has been met.

Conclusion: Castlevania III/Akumajou Densetsu meets all the criteria of the backstory told in the manual of the first game while The Adventure/Dracula Densetsu doesn't. It's actually an origin story. From the information that's available it's possible to deduct that Ralph is actually the Christopher mentioned in the manual backstory. The Christopher from the GB games is an unrelated character from the distant past. I don't know what caused this confusing naming situation, but one possible theory is that the GB game started out as a direct prequel but was later changed into a distant prequel. For some reason they kept the name Christopher for the main character. I don't know what the reasons are for the Ralph Christopher Belmont situation. It could be because the name Ralph sounded cooler and they decided to retcon Christopher's name into Ralph Christopher Belmont.   

Lastly, to further drive home the point that the GB games took place at the very beginning of the timeline, let's take a look at an excerpt from the ending of Belmont's Revenge/Dracula Densetsu II.

Quote
At this moment it came to pass that the legend of the Belmont lineage as vampire hunters started to be told.


When Christopher passed on his duty as a vampire hunter on to his son Soleiyu, the Belmont family turned into a vampire hunter lineage. When we get to the era of Ralph, the Belmonts had already built up quite a reputation as vampire hunters. 
« Last Edit: January 14, 2017, 10:31:10 AM by Nagumo »

Offline Shinobi

  • Vampire Hunter
  • ***
  • Posts: 192
  • Only at the Castle Gate...
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Super Castlevania IV (SNES)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2017, 02:19:08 PM »
0
Well while it was mentioned the Belmonts has a history of fighting evil, there's nothing mentioned that they have a history of fighting vampires or even Dracula.
Also about the C in the middle of Ralph Belmont name, let's not forget that the middle initial name was always referring with the mother's last name before marriage, it will be odd that 'Christopher' was used as a last name while it was commonly used as a first name.

Offline Lumi Kløvstad

  • Specialist in Revolutions, Smuggling, Gunrunning, Bootlegging, and Orgies
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 1945
  • Simon's in goddamn Smash
  • Awards Permanent Resident: Seems to always be around to post/reply.
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Castlevania 64 (N64)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2017, 02:45:02 PM »
0
Well while it was mentioned the Belmonts has a history of fighting evil, there's nothing mentioned that they have a history of fighting vampires or even Dracula.
Also about the C in the middle of Ralph Belmont name, let's not forget that the middle initial name was always referring with the mother's last name before marriage, it will be odd that 'Christopher' was used as a last name while it was commonly used as a first name.

In the 1400's, it might be possible that Ralph's Mother had a surname of Kristofferson, and Ralph just had it shortened for some reason. Or the Church did a churchy thing. Really there's a whole lot of ways that might have gotten shortened.
How not to be a dark lord: the answer to that is a terribly interesting answer that involves an almost Jedi-like adherence to keeping oneself under control and finding ways to be true to yourself in a way that doesn't encourage the worst parts of you to become dangerously exaggerated and instead feeds your better nature. Also, protip: don't fuck with Alchemy or strike up any deals with ancient Japanese Shinigami gods no matter how tempting the deal or how suavely dressed the Shinigami is.

Offline Nagumo

  • Midnight Memory
  • Global Moderator
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 3119
  • Gender: Female
  • Awards Town Crier: Updates the forum with many news items, often not even Castlevania. Capable of resolving arguments/fights peacefully without mod/admin intervention. The Unfazed: Never loses his/her calm, even in the most heated arguments. Master Debater: Gracefully argues 'til the cows come home about topics.
    • Awards
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2017, 10:30:33 AM »
0
Well while it was mentioned the Belmonts has a history of fighting evil, there's nothing mentioned that they have a history of fighting vampires or even Dracula.

It's mentioned people call them "true vampire hunters" in CV3's intro (see my translation). There's no mention of the Belmonts and Dracula sharing a history, I'll give you that. However, from the advertisement I mentioned we did learn Dracula revived prior to the events of CV3, so someone had to have defeated him. By the way, I'm not saying the GB games take place 100 before the events of CV3. Given that in Rondo Dracula was mentioned to be roughly 800 years old, and at least 200 years pass between the Ralph's era (the 15th century) and Richter's era, that means Christopher's story occurs in 9th century at the earliest. Which means there is a 600-year gap between Christopher and Ralph during which I assume Dracula fought other Belmonts.   

Also about the C in the middle of Ralph Belmont name, let's not forget that the middle initial name was always referring with the mother's last name before marriage, it will be odd that 'Christopher' was used as a last name while it was commonly used as a first name.

This may very well be true, but since the Castlevania games never bother being historically accurate I never really pay attention to such real-life details and so bringing those up is kind of pointless. "Christopher" is definitely not intented to be the last name of Ralph's mother. It's reasonable to assume this is actually his middle name.       

Offline AlexCalvo

  • The man.
  • Legendary Hunter
  • ****
  • Posts: 548
  • Gender: Male
  • No longer a jerk, but still wonderful.
  • Awards SuperOld Dungeonite: Members who have been around since the oldOLD days.
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Castlevania: The DraculaX Chronicles (PSP)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2017, 10:43:52 AM »
0
I think using the advertisement as a point to argue canon is pretty weak to be honest...  Maybe we've had this discussion before, but saying that Dracula revives again in an advert is just a simplification, it's basically just letting people know "we've got another game, and Dracula's back!"  I mean given the kind of incorrect stuff we've seen in advertisements for other games, wherein Simon is the star of Adventure, or that Cv4 is a sequel to Cv1 and 2, I don't really think adverts should be a part of the equation.  The other stuff you've mentioned is all pretty interesting though.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13104670/1/Castlevania-Birth-of-the-Dragon

Dracula was not always a monster. He was once a man named Mathias Cronqvist. A flawed, conflicted, genius of a man. How did the educated, aristocratic, crusader who piously served the church become a vampire, and eventually the Dark Lord himself, the opposing force to God? From a very young age terrors and tragedy shaped the man into the king of all evil. This is his story.

Offline zangetsu468

  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 3128
  • God bless the hustler, curse the first sleeper
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia (NDS)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2017, 05:17:02 PM »
0
or that Cv4 is a sequel to Cv1 and 2

Interestingly enough, I recall this from a previous thread. The Japanese version never mentions it's not a sequel, it simply mentions Simon having to face Dracula "again" (simplified). How else can one interpret this aside from being another story?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[Judgement]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                              
                **<<<<<SuperCVIV>COTM<<<<<<<<+
                                 ^      l   v  ^    v                 ^
                                 ^      l   v  ^    +<<<<<<<BE
                                 ^      l   v  ^    v                 ^  
                                 ^      l   v  ^    v     BE>>> VK<**   
                                 ^      l   v  ^    v     ^          ^   
            +<<<<<Legends>HC>OOS>LOD>64       ^
            v                           l              ^                ^
            v                           l     BE>> * <<<BE    RE
            v                           l      ^               ^       ^
LOI>CVIII>COD>AR>BR>CVC>CVII>HOD>ROB>SOTN>OOE>BL>POR>AOS>DOS>>>KD
                                                                          v
                                                                         BE>*  
BE=Bad Ending
RE=Richter Ending

Offline Shinobi

  • Vampire Hunter
  • ***
  • Posts: 192
  • Only at the Castle Gate...
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Super Castlevania IV (SNES)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2017, 09:02:59 PM »
0
It's mentioned people call them "true vampire hunters" in CV3's intro (see my translation). There's no mention of the Belmonts and Dracula sharing a history, I'll give you that. However, from the advertisement I mentioned we did learn Dracula revived prior to the events of CV3, so someone had to have defeated him. By the way, I'm not saying the GB games take place 100 before the events of CV3. Given that in Rondo Dracula was mentioned to be roughly 800 years old, and at least 200 years pass between the Ralph's era (the 15th century) and Richter's era, that means Christopher's story occurs in 9th century at the earliest. Which means there is a 600-year gap between Christopher and Ralph during which I assume Dracula fought other Belmonts.

As referring from the advertisement that Dracula revived prior to the events of CV3, let's not forget that he was a human once as a tyrant ruler Vlad Tepes(the one who made the advertisement did a good research if he/she thought about it), maybe it was right after his death as a human hundred years before(if we stick to Dracula's age in Rondo)and later somehow revived as a vampire during the events in CV3

Offline Nagumo

  • Midnight Memory
  • Global Moderator
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 3119
  • Gender: Female
  • Awards Town Crier: Updates the forum with many news items, often not even Castlevania. Capable of resolving arguments/fights peacefully without mod/admin intervention. The Unfazed: Never loses his/her calm, even in the most heated arguments. Master Debater: Gracefully argues 'til the cows come home about topics.
    • Awards
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2017, 01:40:24 AM »
0
As referring from the advertisement that Dracula revived prior to the events of CV3, let's not forget that he was a human once as a tyrant ruler Vlad Tepes(the one who made the advertisement did a good research if he/she thought about it), maybe it was right after his death as a human hundred years before(if we stick to Dracula's age in Rondo)and later somehow revived as a vampire during the events in CV3

It's a bit unclear to me what you're trying to argue here. I assume you're disagreeing with me, but I'm not sure about what you're disagreeing with. Could you perhaps clarify? 

Offline Shinobi

  • Vampire Hunter
  • ***
  • Posts: 192
  • Only at the Castle Gate...
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Super Castlevania IV (SNES)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2017, 05:02:46 AM »
0
Well I'm quite to disagree that Christopher was supposed to be the first one who fought and defeat Dracula before Ralph and Simon, recently I searched for the japanese manual for Dracula Densetsu which is the japanese release of Castlevania Adventure, thanks to my knowledge with Katakana, hiragana and some kanji's I spotted the name of Simon("Shimon") mentioned in the upper part of sypnosis while the name Christopher(Kurisutopaa) was mentioned below or near the end of sypnosis.
 While I'm not really fluent with japanese, we can assume that Simon previously fought Dracula before Christopher does as evident in the manual otherwise it's the other way around or no reference of a previous Belmont who fought Dracula if Christopher was meant to be the first Belmont who fought Dracula.

Offline theplottwist

  • Canon Literalist
  • Master Hunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 1848
  • プロットツイスト君
  • Awards 2018-06 Sprite Contest First Place 2017-07-Sprite Contest 2nd PLace 2016-09-Sprite Contest First Place 2015 - Christmas Award First Place 2015 - Halloween Sprite Contest - Second Place
    • Awards
  • Favorite Game: Castlevania Adventure Rebirth (Wii)
  • Likes:
Re: I think Christopher originally came before Trevor/Ralph pre-IGA
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2017, 06:00:16 AM »
0
While I'm not really fluent with japanese, we can assume that Simon previously fought Dracula before Christopher does as evident in the manual otherwise it's the other way around or no reference of a previous Belmont who fought Dracula if Christopher was meant to be the first Belmont who fought Dracula.

Yeah, not being fluent in japanese (something Nagumo is) or not understanding what is written there and assuming Simon fought Dracula before Christopher because his name appears first on the story will get you nowhere.

The story is recalling the events of the first Castlevania, which is why it mentions Simon first, before explicitly saying that the events of Dracula Densetsu are set previous to him and introducing Christopher.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2017, 06:14:51 AM by theplottwist »
The mastermind behind the "Umbra of Sorrow" project. But not the only one.

Tags: