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Title: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 18, 2017, 11:47:10 AM
*UPDATE* My article got picked up by Now Loading https://nowloading.co/p/netflix-castlevania-whats-after-season-2/4319961
What do you guys think? Where is it most likely to go? Where would you like it to go? How do you imagine the different stories from the games would be presented, given the style of the animated series?
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: theplottwist on July 18, 2017, 02:23:11 PM
I'd be willing to make a few guesses (Lisa is gonna be further expanded through flashbacks, Grant is initially a human villain commanding other rebels), but Ellis said he's gonna be excentric.
The only thing I wish is for Alucard to not end up killing Dracula. As for the rest, I don't have the slightest idea and I don't care that much.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Nagumo on July 18, 2017, 02:43:11 PM
I'm willing to bet not a single thing from LoI will be referenced. Instead, I think that line about Trevor's great-grandfather was supposed to be a hint about how the Belmonts family and Dracula are related in this universe. If the series continues past season 2 I think Ellis is just going to do his own thing. Perhaps he's going to adapt certain events from the IGA timeline but he's going to put his own spin on it. Basically how the MCU sometimes adapts comic book arcs but is still separate from the comics.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Guy Belmont on July 18, 2017, 04:23:45 PM
I can't say much as but what I can say is that I think that the Vampire Killer is going to have a new backstory.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Aiddon on July 18, 2017, 04:46:56 PM
Going game by game:
-LoI: Fairly likely to show up as it's the very start of the whole canon and transformed the timeline into a multigenerational epic about a blood feud started between Leon and Mathias. It gives a whole new layer to Dracula's relationship with the Belmonts. I could see it as a whole season or at least its storyline being talked about in a season, maybe have a Belmont (like Simon) learning about the history of his clan's founder.
-CoD: Can't really see it being its own thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if elements from it show up in Season 2 due to Hector and Isaac's relationship with Dracula.
-Adventure: Really thin plot so I can't see this happening.
-Simon's Games: Might as well adapt the first games for completion's sake. I think rolling the original and Simon's Quest into one game could work, maybe having the first episode be Simon wasting Dracula and then having to deal with his curse for the rest of the season.
-HoD: This can be comfortably skipped. Good game, but it can best be described as "My stupid friend did something stupid"
-Dracula X Chronicles: This is a no brainer. Most popular title in the series and one of more involved plots. A bigger cast too, you could even have it as a sort of generational reprisal with Richter, Maria, and Alucard. Of course I'd want them to not just skip to SotN, but do RoB to give Richter and Maria a proper introduction before letting Alucard headline.
-OoE: I would like to see this, but not sure how likely it is. It would be neat to see how the world would deal with a Dracula threat with neither the Belmonts nor Alucard around.
-Bloodlines/PoR: Dracula in the World Wars could be neat settings, especially with Bloodlines being a globetrotting adventure (maybe do something like out of Indiana Jones) while PoR could give Jonathan some angst due to his father dying from the Vampire Killer.
-Sorrow: This is a must adapt as its the capstone to the timeline what with Dracula being defeated and how the world deals with such a vacuum, especially when he's been reborn as a clueless kid
I think another thing that could mix things up is not going linearly, but jumping around the timeline a bit, showing just how busy this mythology is.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 19, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
So my article got picked up by Now Loading. ;D https://nowloading.co/p/netflix-castlevania-whats-after-season-2/4319961 (https://nowloading.co/p/netflix-castlevania-whats-after-season-2/4319961)
I'm willing to bet not a single thing from LoI will be referenced. Instead, I think that line about Trevor's great-grandfather was supposed to be a hint about how the Belmonts family and Dracula are related in this universe. If the series continues past season 2 I think Ellis is just going to do his own thing. Perhaps he's going to adapt certain events from the IGA timeline but he's going to put his own spin on it. Basically how the MCU sometimes adapts comic book arcs but is still separate from the comics.
You know, while I wouldn't be shocked if it went that way, given my own interactions with Adi Shankar on social media I know that he really is a fan of the series. And now that future seasons will be built from the ground up squarely under his watch I don't think it will deviate quite as much from the source material as you seem to. I think the comment about Trevor's great grandfather was just to explain how Trevor knew what the inside of the castle looked like, I never got the impression that it was a reference to the origin of the Belmont/Dracula relationship. I doubt they will be as loose as the MCU, but somewhere between that and a beat for beat interpretation.
I also think Ellis' comments about moving away from the canon is just in the fact that now we'll actually see the events of the game play out, and they will have to be edited significantly in order to be more than 180 minute action sequence. Everything we've seen so far has been pre-game, basically them telling their own story in the world. So it couldn't really conflict with anything, given that it took place before the game. And yes I know about Japanese manuel translations, but I doubt Ellis does, and to be honest I don't think he really needs to.
The Belmonts are cleary legendary, heroic monster hunters, exiled, driven to the fringes of society. They wield a powerful whip, as well as swords and other edged weapons. Contain vast, passed down knowledge for dealing with supernatural creatures.
Dracula is a powerful Vampire sorcerer with an army of monsters and frightening castle riddled with death traps. He's waging war on humanity for killing his wife Lisa for witchcraft.
Alucard is Dracula and Lisa's son, a powerful swordsman, who tests Trevor Belmont to make sure he is ready to take the fight to Dracula. Trevor even mistakes him for Dracula at first, as many people did Alucard in Cv3, when the game first came out. What an incredible reference.
Yeah Sypha's background was changed, but personally I thought a mage within a group of gypsy/monks makes a lot more sense than a witch working for the medieval church. She was still the blue clad, elemental magic user from the game.
The writing was very good, and that was Warren Ellis' job. I'm sure some of you disagree, but the vast consensus is that he nailed it. At ;east from a storytelling perspective. I trust Shankar to keep it in line with the games from this point forward. Especially given what we now know about his history with this project. https://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/7/11/15952898/castlevania-live-action-adaptation-netflix (https://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/7/11/15952898/castlevania-live-action-adaptation-netflix)
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Dremn on July 19, 2017, 02:01:41 PM
I wouldn't be too excited if they adapted Curse of Darkness after Dracula's Curse. I'd like to see them adapt all the original games first, up to SotN.
Ideally I'd like to see all the Belmont's stories adapted into the series, and past SotN it would be cool to see Bloodlines and Order of Ecclesia adapted as well.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Chernabogue on July 19, 2017, 02:15:13 PM
I wouldn't be too excited if they adapted Curse of Darkness after Dracula's Curse. I'd like to see them adapt all the original games first, up to SotN.
This. With Trevor still around, it's the perfect transition before they go on SotN with Alucard.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: affinity on July 19, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
Season 2 should be totally action packed and platform based. have them travel together and have hordes and bosses to fight.
Grant should be a boss in the the clocktower, and after they turn back to human, they could help fight enemies for a while.
Also Ellis is wrong, Grant is not a pirate, but a former pirate that moved inland.
Also they can have the animated series pronounce that family name as "Day-nuhsty" / "Day-nuh-sty", so people dont start with dirty thoughts.
2nd season should be more Castlevania, and Castlevania is more action than talk. the only "peaceful" moments should be at Lisa's execution ground, and when they face Dracula. Too much characterization and socializing in a Castlevania just drags down the overall feel.
the previous 4 episodes already established the characters backgrounds, so leave diplomacy in town and start wrecking hordes all the way towards and up the castle.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Dremn on July 22, 2017, 01:04:40 PM
Small update on Season 2, interview with Adi Shankar.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Dremn on July 25, 2017, 05:12:46 PM
Season 2 is already underway. I am betting on a Spring release.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Flame on July 25, 2017, 08:03:06 PM
People have said that doing a Simon story would be boring because his story is the most generic.
I think there's plenty of potential there if you lump CV1 together with CV2.
Think about it: The Belmonts become renown after Trevor defeats Dracula. They are heralded as heroes, and have fought the forces of evil and Dracula's forces for several generations already.
So Simon is cocky and arrogant, because he knows he's good, takes for granted that he can defeat Dracula, and isn't as scared of his power as he should be. He defeats Dracula and becomes famous. In his arrogance and ignorance, he does not realize that Dracula has cursed him, until nearly a decade later, when he realizes that he is wasting away and weakening, and his wounds heal slower, if at all.
And that is basically the prologue, so the series proper, can revolve around CV2's plot. Realizing his arrogance and lack of care resulted in his very life being in jeopardy, he is humbled and brought down a peg.
and that's how you make the CV1 story interesting as a series
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: redrum on August 11, 2017, 08:47:35 PM
the Dracula X saga would be absolutely perfect for this...
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: The Puritan on August 12, 2017, 02:03:21 AM
I just hope that if they adapt Bloodlines or Portrait of Ruin, people will actually talk like they did in those time periods. I don't think people said "snake fuckingly crazy" back in the 1400s.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: BloodyShadowoftheDarkness on August 30, 2017, 01:57:25 PM
Like many people mentioned, I would really enjoy if they adapted more games in the series. I think they could go with Simon's story first (CV1 and 2), since he's basically one of the most famous Belmonts, that would attract even more people to this series. Then they could go with Leon, then finally to Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night. Not even necessarily in that order. As long as direct sequels (as opposed to distant sequels) are in the right order, I would be completely satisfied.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Spooniest on October 03, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
I was thrilled. It's excellent watching, but man is it gory. Holy crapbaskets.
But the acting is good, the dialogue is good, I like Trevor, Alucard is sufficiently creepy yet regal, and the detail of hitting the Cyclops in the eye with the dagger, then it turning Sypha back into human form after having turned her to stone, was my favorite nod to the actual game.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 03, 2017, 12:01:06 PM
I was thrilled. It's excellent watching, but man is it gory. Holy crapbaskets.
But the acting is good, the dialogue is good, I like Trevor, Alucard is sufficiently creepy yet regal, and the detail of hitting the Cyclops in the eye with the dagger, then it turning Sypha back into human form after having turned her to stone, was my favorite nod to the actual game.
I'm glad another fan liked it too, and what you said about Alucard is true. And what did you think of the whips design.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: Inccubus on October 14, 2017, 12:09:54 AM
I honestly don't care. I have no confidence that they will do anything I disliked about this series any differently, so it doesn't make any difference to me at all. They could do a story about Kokoro Belmont next and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.
Title: Re: Animated series, beyond season 2.
Post by: gallandryal on October 16, 2017, 07:46:00 PM
What do you guys think? Where is it most likely to go? Where would you like it to go?
CV/CV2 following Simon’s story > Rondo of blood/Symphony of night/Nocturn of Recollection arc > Order of Ecclesia > Bloddlines/Portrait of Ruin > Aria and Dawn of Sorrow
Curse of darkness featuring Trevor as protagonist and Hector as a deuteragonist, tying some loose ends and making the future change of protagonists smoother. I can see this game being skipped, going straight to Simon’s arc, though
Simon game’s doesn’t have solid story with dialogues, but following the premise of the simple script, the writer will have liberties to create original characters and subplots, and this is not bad at all. The gypsy and Crystal trader can be turned into substantial characters and maybe deuteragonists, whatever.... It can be adapted in one or two seasons depending of the writter’s creativity.
Rondo of blood first episode I can see opening with a creepy scene of the village being invaded, showing villagers like Maria's parents being killed and Annette, Maria and other girls being taken by to the castle; introducing Richter in the second episode with a subplot and showing why he was not in the village.
Symphony of the Night will be harder to structure as a tv series. I think the first three or four episodes will need to be a building for Richter disappearance, settled outside the castle, mirroring the first season where it’s more focused on characters dynamics and relationships, plus adding a subplot. Nocturn of Recolection can be adapted as an opportunity to show Alucard past prior meeting Trevor, maybe gaining it’s own season, being less silly with more mature tone, also explaining some vague stuffs like Maria’s fate, why Alucard was awake, what Richter was doing.
Order of Ecclesia placed in the first decade of 1800, Shanoa as protagonist featuring Richter or Alucard as easter egg characters, closing the “1800’s arc” tying up some loose ends as why Richter gave up the vampirekiller, etc...
Bloodlines and Portrait of Ruin can be tied in two or three seasons, maybe with Eric as protagonist as he appears in both games. Lots of things can be done with a world war story.
A prequel of Aria and Dawn of Sorrow finally covering Julius quest against Dracula is welcomed. A “modern gothic” atmosphere would be more fitting than a sci-fi setting.
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There's no need to adapt Leon, Juste and Christopher stories. Their feats can be mentioned or showed on flashbacks.
How do you imagine the different stories from the games would be presented, given the style of the animated series?
Simon’s character development can be the opposite of Trevor: in the beginning he’s somewhat cocky and eager to fight, and he will get more gloomy and bitter as the story unfolds and shit happens to him
Make Simon’s love interest an anti-heroine. A Belmont that fall in love with a girl that is secretly antagonist is a new touch. There’s too much blonde sidekicks and damsels in distress in this franchise. Something like his future wife being attracted by occultism, seeking Dracula’s power, and Simon goes to rescue her but she doesn’t need to be saved. Later she regret and low key helps him - turning her into the mysterious lady (a dynamic similar to Denna/Kote from kingkiller or hercules/megara relationship). Or anything that's not a helpless bland lady.
As for Maria.... She is so out of place... The little that is shown of her personality is really cartoonish and her clothes are historically innacurate. Why the hell she wore pants and short skirts? And her characterization was so no sense for that period. I’d go with something like this: When the village was being invaded in RoD Maria disguised herself as a boy to not be abducted by the demons, but of course, it didn’t work
Growing up Maria ended up enjoying wearing pants even if it was in the 1700's. Maybe because she enjoyed fighting and it was diffuclt to train using a long skirt
She is probably bad in cook and other traditionally feminine chores like embroidery and housework
the neighbors raise eyebrows to her because she was eccentric and also filled the neighborhood with dove’s filth :/
She developed a cringey and one sided crush on a 400-year-old vampire, who felt relieved to tear her away.
The producers said that the netflix series is a sarcastic and more realistic version of the game. That said, Twilight-type relationship between vampires and pixie dream 17-year-old girls who makes his world pink is ridiculous. Castlevania doesn’t need this. The tv show needs to portray what really happens when a teenager falls in love with an old vampire.
Maybe she is a closeted lesbian, who felt sidelined and had nowhere to go after Richter and Annette married moved away... Or maybe she realized that her crush is stupid, moved on and married any villager., who knows.... Just ugh, makes this character make some sense in a realistic and non-annoying way.
It’s implied that Elizabetha, Lisa and Mina are reincarnation of the same person, so her being a medicine or nursing student would make an interesting nod to it.