Topic: TGS 2008 Game?

[crisis]

Taken from here:

G4: So, is this defining what the clean break – what Konami’s relationship with [Koji] Igarashi-san is?

Cox: No, I don’t think so. I know Igarashi’s company is working on projects. I don’t know anything more than that. So, I’m sure he’s gonna make some big announcements and I’m sure he’s other things. He’s a very talented guy.

[Lumas]

Personally I think it got canned but there isn't any evidence that proves it actually did so as of right now the whole being put on "freeze" seems to be the best way to describe it.

[Death]

they showed the clip after we already knew about Lords of Shadows, but didn't know it was a Castlevania game (but apparently LoS was always intended to be a CV game).  hence why i doubt it'll be a full 3D game, since that would be redundant.

Actually they showed this trailer long before they announced Lords of Shadow. They showed this trailer at TGS 2008 which was in October I believe, and they announced Lords of Shadow at E3 2009 which was in June. So they announced Lords of Shadow 8 months after they showed the trailer for this game. Hopefully we hear something at E3, if not then I think it's definitely been canned.

[Reinhart77]

no, E3 2009 was when they told us Lords of Shadows was a Castlevania game.  it had been known for about a year before then as a stand-alone game without the "Castlevania" title in it. 

[shelverton.]

The only problem I see with this game still being in development is that the teaser trailer - quite frankly - looked like utter c r a p. It reminded me of a Playstation 1 cutscene. The teaser said the game was for the 360 and PS3 (right?) which is downright odd. The PSP can produce better stuff than this. But yeah, no need to jump the conclusions just yet...

[Reinhart77]

heh, if i found out that they officially canceled it i would say "i'm not surprised".  but if i found that they are officially making it, i would also say "i'm not surprised".  so, i'll go with what i hope is the case and believe it until shown otherwise.

[justin312]

I think its unlikely that this game will ever see the light of day.  Konami has thrown their eggs into the Lords of Shadow basket.  If that game is successful, subsequent Castlevania installments will likely follow in that style and storyline.  It would be foolish of them to confuse the new players they brought into the series by immediately shifting gears back to the old style that wasn't working before (at least from a financial perspective), after spending all this money and effort to re-brand Castlevania for a new audience.

Conversely, if Lords of Shadow bombs, you won't see this game either.  A LoS failure will only prove to the Konami suits that Castlevania just doesn't sell.  Iga's games didn't sell, the new direction didn't sell either, so what's Konami to do?  Put the Castlevania series in a box in the attic and focus on game series that are more profitable.

I think the only hope this game had was to release before Lords of Shadow, sort of a last hurrah for Iga before launching the new direction.  Since Lords releases later this year, and its been over a year and a half since we've heard a peep on this game, I think its safe to say its dead.

[Nagumo]

Did you even read what people in this thread said at all?   

[shelverton.]

I don't think we should take this reboot too seriously really. Mercury Steam is having a go at the franchise - fine! But IGA is most definitely not done with the series. Just because Lords of Shadows is in the making doesn't mean we'll never revisit the old metroidvania style or even the old timeline. What makes some people think that every game in the series from now on MUST be modeled after LoS if it turns out a success? Is every Zelda game modeled after Ocarina of Time? No. Is every Mario game like Super Mario 64? No. And Castlevania has proven time and time again that it changes every once in a while. It goes back and forth from oldschool to Metroidvania to DMC-clones to fighters, and then back to oldschool sidescrolling again.

And we don't even know if this patricular "secret IGAvania" is anything like any of the older games. People just assume it is because it's being developed by IGA. It may be something completely different. In fact, I can almost guarentee it's not gonna be modeled after either SotN nor LoI/CoD. That is, if the game is not cancelled. And we don't know that. Not you, not me - no one. Except Konami.

 

[darkwzrd4]

I don't think we should take this reboot too seriously really. Mercury Steam is having a go at the franchise - fine! But IGA is most definitely not done with the series. Just because Lords of Shadows is in the making doesn't mean we'll never revisit the old metroidvania style or even the old timeline. What makes some people think that every game in the series from now on MUST be modeled after LoS if it turns out a success? Is every Zelda game modeled after Ocarina of Time? No. Is every Mario game like Super Mario 64? No. And Castlevania has proven time and time again that it changes every once in a while. It goes back and forth from oldschool to Metroidvania to DMC-clones to fighters, and then back to oldschool sidescrolling again.

And we don't even know if this patricular "secret IGAvania" is anything like any of the older games. People just assume it is because it's being developed by IGA. It may be something completely different. In fact, I can almost guarentee it's not gonna be modeled after either SotN nor LoI/CoD. That is, if the game is not cancelled. And we don't know that. Not you, not me - no one. Except Konami.

 

Well said!!!  I personally think that the "secret IGAvania" has just been put on hold for now and we will hear more about it after LoS has been released.  Being that we don't know much about that "IGAvania", it could turn out completely different from what any of us think.  If LoS does well, then the IGAvania may be modeled after it.  Keep in mind this is just speculation. 

All we can do is watch and wait as things develop.

[thernz]

Suddenly, IGA returns to roots, roots even deeper than you can imagine.
Tokimeki Castlevania, the stunning gothic dating sim.

[crisis]

In Reply To #23,

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Was getting tired of reading those nonsensical posts claiming otherwise.

[DragonSlayr81]

I don't think we should take this reboot too seriously really. Mercury Steam is having a go at the franchise - fine! But IGA is most definitely not done with the series. Just because Lords of Shadows is in the making doesn't mean we'll never revisit the old metroidvania style or even the old timeline. What makes some people think that every game in the series from now on MUST be modeled after LoS if it turns out a success? Is every Zelda game modeled after Ocarina of Time? No. Is every Mario game like Super Mario 64? No. And Castlevania has proven time and time again that it changes every once in a while. It goes back and forth from oldschool to Metroidvania to DMC-clones to fighters, and then back to oldschool sidescrolling again.

And we don't even know if this patricular "secret IGAvania" is anything like any of the older games. People just assume it is because it's being developed by IGA. It may be something completely different. In fact, I can almost guarentee it's not gonna be modeled after either SotN nor LoI/CoD. That is, if the game is not cancelled. And we don't know that. Not you, not me - no one. Except Konami.

 

This is something I've said many times for many games, and yeah, the proof is in the pudding. Maximo didn't kill off the original Ghost N Goblins series. Final Fantasy didn't concentrate FULLY on JUST science fiction/futuristic games after FFVII, and would turn it's back on the medieval setting of the classic games(like many thought). Hell, just because people remade George Romero's zombie flicks doesn't mean HE'D stop creating movies that take place in his own continuity(and that, say, Zack Snyder's vision will become the new standard from now on, as far as "...Of The Dead" movies were concerned. Just because Marvel created the Ultimate universe doesn't mean the classic universe was rendered obsolete(Ultimate came and went, hehehe). This happens with everything, and like I said, the proof is out there, plain as day. I mean, "New Coke" what? Nuff said!  

What strikes me more is that some people could have so little faith in a series they supposadly love.

[shelverton.]

What strikes me more is that some people could have so little faith in a series they supposadly love.

Yeah, it's odd. Though there are a LOT of people here who claim they hate everything IGA has done post SotN. Of course I don't believe a single word they say, cause no one in their right mind would cling to a VG message board for years if they hate all the games in question. That's just... not normal. I stopped going to Shining Force-boards because the new games in the series were atrocious. I just didn't care anymore.

I bet a majority of us in here enjoyed even the later Castlevania games - HoD, CoD, PoR - or whatever is generally considered to be the "worst" of IGAs efforts. And PoR is only "bad" because it has silly main characters and some questionable recycled level design (which isn't as bad as some people say. The "dark portraits" were not executed well, but other than that the level design is actually superior to that of OoE. In my opinion). The only game I really couldn't stand was Judgment. I liked watching the game, but play it? no way. It was just awkward.

Gee.. I can't even remember what the topic was anymore... oh yes, the secret IGAvania...

[jimmay17]

Reading all those posts from Cox really amplifies one of my major gripes with Konami and the LoS reboot. They keep going on and on about how huge of a failure the Iga games are and how they just clearly haven't been working or selling to the general public--this is either very creative goal-posts movement (defining the series as a failure in comparison to mega-sellers like Mario, God of War or other flagship tent-pole titles), or they are reaching this conclusion disastrously late. They've been making at least one game a year for quite some time now, and I can only reasonably conclude that they've been making a profit or else they're very slow to analyze their sales and budgeting numbers.

Either way, I'd appreciate it if Cox and Konami would stop histrionically declaring the series in ruin and in dire need of rebooting. If they want to shake things up in the interest of gaining a larger audience and more success than the franchise has enjoyed lately, that's perfectly fine, and makes all the business sense in the world. But turning on the waterworks to pretend the series hasn't had any success is a slight to all of us who have been buying every installment, even the ones we weren't entirely wild about.