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Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: Kale on December 02, 2007, 12:44:00 AM
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http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml
According to this site: http://www.newstarget.com/022308.html, it seems that its very broad.... And if its as broad as it syays... there goes Freedom of speech.
EDIT: Its not passed yet, it made it through the House of Reps with a massive vote though.
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http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml
According to this site: http://www.newstarget.com/022308.html, it seems that its very broad.... And if its as broad as it syays... there goes Freedom of speech.
EDIT: Its not passed yet, it made it through the House of Reps with a massive vote though.
WHAT?? I will NOT stand for that! Our founding fathers went through so much hardship to gain that right!! If they eliminate Free Speech, then that will be the bigest disrespect to US history I've ever heard of! Mot to mention the fact that so many people have valuable opinions that must be expresed and well heard!!! This is so not cool! >:( >:( >:(
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If this bill gets passed...dear God...if this is an attempt to get people to side with the administration, that's just laughable. This deception needs to be blocked, and I pray to God that this law doesn't pass.
This law would be the Patriot Act to a factor of 10.
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Its probably about that time to start moving out of the country...
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In Reply To #4
I'd rather stay here and start a new revolution.
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Its probably about that time to start moving out of the country...
I hear ya, that bill is bullshit, Goddamn it George haven't you done enough damage? >:(
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Goddamn, this sounds like the McCarthy Red Scare all over again...
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I'd say it's good to be in Canada (like I always do) but it's inevitable that Bush will invade Canada first when he starts his dictatorship.
Amazing that KMFDM has been saying that the USA is the new USSR or Nazi Germany for years. They've been calling it the USSA ever since the turn of the century. You all need to listen to "New American Century", "Urban Monkey Warfare" and more of their recent KMFDM songs about the USA to really get the impact.
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So. Who would ever thought that 1984 would be a prophecy more than a novel?
All fascist states are eventually destroyed by the people they oppress. It may only a few years, it may take 100, but they all fall.
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Wow..
I never expected this.
It almost reminds me of Rome's downfall..
in a sense.
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Well it hasn't been past yet, so you can't say its his fault ( unless he is the one who got them to make the bill ) It still needs to tbe passed by the senate before it reaches his desk, and he signs it ( or veto it ).
EDIT: Btw I mean, its not his fuck up yet. If he signs it and passes it, it is. But then again if he knows it'll pass anyway and decides not to sign it to look good towards others, thats not good either, its just not clear to us if hes trying to dig his own grave or not.
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All I have to say about Bush is that he'd better be assasinated. Remember the old Indian curse, and the pattern of assasinated presidents? Well, from what I remember, Bush is next in line! :)
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In Reply To #4
I'd rather stay here and start a new revolution.
That makes two of us.
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...the USA is the new USSR or Nazi Germany...
Oh yeah, because the American government has totally started the annihilation of its jewish citizens and packed others into concentration camps. ::)
Jeez, aren't you people overreacting? Obviously those of you asking for assassinations and "starting" revolutions are kids who don't know what they're talking about, but the rest of you should know better.
You don't live in a dictatorship, you live in a democracy. This means that one person cannot pass laws all by themselves. If this bill is as horrid and self destructive as your reactions seem to evoke, then I am sure that the reasonably minded members of parliament(yes there are a few) will not let it pass. Simple as that.
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You don't live in a dictatorship, you live in a democracy. This means that one person cannot pass laws all by themselves. If this bill is as horrid and self destructive as your reactions seem to evoke, then I am sure that the reasonably minded members of parliament(yes there are a few) will not let it pass. Simple as that.
Congress, not Parliament. But yes, you are correct...
...except as of late, these senators and representatives have had a bit of a corruption thing going on. This, combined with Republicans being accepting of the idea of the loss of rights in order to 'stop the terrorists' thing that's been going on...
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In Reply To #14
The USSR never took things out on Jews. And teh Nazi didn't only do it to Jews, they do it to alot of other people and races, but the Jewish were just the bigger part. But yea, they are overreacting saying that.
However, you'd think there would be more than 6 people with reasonable minds out of 435 people in the House of Representatives, but the vote was, as the site I posted up said (and other sites I've looked at confirmed the vote count) it was 400 somethign to 6 (with I'm guessing some members not present or abstained.
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Oh yeah, because the American government has totally started the annihilation of its jewish citizens and packed others into concentration camps.
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yeah blame Bush i have a tooth thats bad and hurts like hell.
and its all because of him!!!
i also twisted my foot and got a bad sprang thats him again causing my life to suck!
well anyway bush will be out next year and God help us then is all i can say.
because then we'll bring all the troops home and bend over and wait to get it up our ass's.
i wonder what they'll blow up next,hopefully whatever it is it's filled with some of them weak minded ppl.
who try to make our troops/family's feel like the ppl they lost was for no reason at all.
but oh what the hell i say read some more useless shit from some ppl who don't know anything.
who IMO are the very kind of ppl trying to pass this worthless bill bad talking bush where nobody's looking at there worthless ass's.
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yeah blame Bush i have a tooth thats bad and hurts like hell.
and its all because of him!!!
i also twisted my foot and got a bad sprang thats him again causing my life to suck!
well anyway bush will be out next year and God help us then is all i can say.
because then we'll bring all the troops home and bend over and wait to get it up our ass's.
i wonder what they'll blow up next,hopefully whatever it is it's filled with some of them weak minded ppl.
who try to make our troops/family's feel like the ppl they lost was for no reason at all.
but oh what the hell i say read some more useless shit from some ppl who don't know anything.
who IMO are the very kind of ppl trying to pass this worthless bill bad talking bush where nobody's looking at there worthless ass's.
I didn't vote for him, and I don't think much of him as a leader, but I also think history may ultimately prove him right.
Regardless of what you think about the war in Iraq, we are there to help those people, and we along with our allies have given many of our finest young men and women in doing so, and many more will die before it's all over.
Do I think we should have done it? I don't know. No, perhaps not under the faulty information of weapons of mass destruction. Pre-emptive war should be used only as a last resort.
However, do I think it was the right thing to do? In the overall scheme of things a big part of me thinks so. I think removing Saddam and his sons could potentially be a positive step toward peace in the region, and I think our friends in Israel are a bit more secure now that Saddam is no longer funding Palestinian terror groups to suicide-bomb innocent men, women and children.
There is no denying Saddam sponsored terrorism and was a threat to our national security.
The surge seems to be working. Hopefully things will get better and we can pull out, peacefully, and knowing that we helped the Iraqi people and they can live in a free and democratic state.
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Oh yeah, because the American government has totally started the annihilation of its jewish citizens and packed others into concentration camps.
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Yeah, no shit. Bush will be out next year and the socialist liberals will have to find another excuse to spew their anti-American rhetoric LOL.
I resent that, labeling everybody socialist liberals who don't like him and thinks he has done a lot of wrong and can't wait for the next pres is ignorant. I'm old and i don't like Bush cuz he has no idea what he's doing now he started the war which I think was a step in the right direction and has now totally lost focus, and has just been making one blunder after another. (we should be making real progress towards implementing a democratic government in Iraq for one). And since when is not liking a president anti-american? I still support democracy I just don't like the current figurehead we have right now, if anything that's anti-monarchistic cuz he's proven he has no idea what he's doing and doesn't even know how to say "nuclear" right. Not to mention he's the most liberal republican I've ever seen. He will probably be the deciding factor unless the bill takes forever to pass, and I'm thinkin' he's not gonna veto something like this unless he has a major change of character.
I think removing Saddam and his sons could potentially be a positive step toward peace in the region, and I think our friends in Israel are a bit more secure now that Saddam is no longer funding Palestinian terror groups to suicide-bomb innocent men, women and children. Hopefully things will get better and we can pull out, peacefully, and knowing that we helped the Iraqi people and they can live in a free and democratic state.
I agree and this is what I want too for iraq to be free and a democracy like Israel.
well anyway bush will be out next year and God help us then is all i can say.
because then we'll bring all the troops home and bend over and wait to get it up our ass's.
Um it's too late now to just up and pull our troops out of there, doesn't matter who is our next president we can't just up and pull everybody out when we're in the process of helping them form a new government, and regardless of what the next president wants to do I doubt Congress would let him at this point.
EDIT: Btw I mean, its not his fuck up yet. If he signs it and passes it, it is. But then again if he knows it'll pass anyway and decides not to sign it to look good towards others, thats not good either, its just not clear to us if hes trying to dig his own grave or not.
Well if he veto's it which I highly doubt then it wouldn't be his mistake and that'd be another point for him regardless of whether it gets the 3/4's vote or not. It probably won't though, very very few bills get ratified into laws if the president vetos them. 75% of the vote is asking alot especially when some people don't even show up most of the time.
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I resent that, labeling everybody socialist liberals who don't like him and thinks he has done a lot of wrong and can't wait for the next pres is ignorant. I'm old and i don't like Bush cuz he has no idea what he's doing now he started the war which I think was a step in the right direction and has now totally lost focus, and has just been making one blunder after another. (we should be making real progress towards implementing a democratic government in Iraq for one). And since when is not liking a president anti-american?
For the record I never was a Bush supporter.
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For the record I never was a Bush supporter.
I resent having my country, which I love and will always defend, referred to as the new Nazi Germany. The socialist liberal comment was more or less a jab at the delusional ones who equate Americans to Nazis. It wasn't directed at you (unless you think we are Nazis?).
oh no, I think the US is the furthest thing from faschism, my bad misinterpereted your post.
Someone needs to take their ass to Dachau, Auschwitz, and Sobibor to see the remnants of those camps. Let them visit the historical sites and read about the atrocities committed by the Nazis...
I agree that would probably stop all this america is like nazi germany bs.
Well, I never said I think we should up and pull our guys out of there, but we will have to leave at some point in time. I only hope when that time comes it won't be in a defeat, but in success of achieving our goals (a free, stable, democratic Iraq).
Oh that was directed at the guy with the kid drac avatar who said the next pres. is gonna do that, I should have quoted him better.
On a related note, my little cousin is scheduled to ship out for Iraq on the 12th. He is military police serving with the INARNG.
This issue weighs heavily on me and my family.
Oh man may he serve a peaceful length of time. :)
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Oh man may he serve a peaceful length of time. :)
I agree, best of luck to him! :)
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Personally, I'd blame the Illuminati. It seems to fit the theories I had to look up for a school speech recently. There were people who believed that Bush was secretly a key member of the Illuminati, and that the "war on terror" was going to be used to distract us so as to ignore the subtle removal of rights in the U.S. under his presidency.
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Congress, not Parliament.
My bad, we call it parliament in Australia.
The USSR never took things out on Jews. And teh Nazi didn't only do it to Jews, they do it to alot of other people and races, but the Jewish were just the bigger part.
It was just a point, I wasn't trying to be elaborate. It's not like I was going to go into how Stalin starved 6 million Ukrainians and so on to crush Ukrainian nationalism. The point is that anybody comparing a civilized western country to some of the worst regimes in history is down right moronic and someone who resorts to that cannot be taken at all seriously.
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In Reply To #26
I know, I just wanted to point what I said out >.>
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I wasn't comparing the US to those countries. The thing is though, that the other countries' leaders (not necessarily Hitler, Stalin, etc) went through the same motions. And these kinds of laws/bills can be used against the people.
Bush is a bastard, and I can see him abusing the law if it gets passed. The US will be that much closer to being a dictatorship.
Whatever the leader chooses to do with such power is up to him. I'm not saying anything about Hitler and Jews. Jeez, people are so damn touchy.
I'm saying that Bush is a very dangerous man.
So, let's say, a year he's out. The bill will be in place, if it's passed. If he doesn't abuse it, the next leader may abuse that power too. And if not that one, then someone eventually will. The USA is fucked.
If it's passed, how the hell are the people going to get rid of it? Any disagreement with the government could be seen as an act of aggression. You break the law.
Arguing and patriotic pride aside, this could mean a lot of problems if this bill is passed. You don't give people that much power and not expect them to abuse it.
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This bill hasn't even been passed yet. I think we are all getting ahead of ourselves. Lots of absurd, unconstitutional bills are brought up that always get shot down. Those that manage to slip through are typically undone by the next administration. It's nothing really new in American politics. It happens. Media sensationalism and political groups on both sides love to blow these things way out of proportion.
Bush is history in a matter of months, and the Democrats will have the White House again. And if it's a Republican president, it will probably be Guliani or Romney, both of whom are just as if not more liberal than any of the frontrunner Democratic candidates.
The United States is in no danger of becoming a dictatorship anytime soon.
Nobody is being touchy anymore than some are being paranoid, or sensationalist.
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In Reply To #29
Well, Thaddeus, the only reason I brought this one up was because of the lopsided vote in the House.
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Oh and something I would also like to add: The first step to becoming a dictatorship is disarming the general public.
Seeing as Bush, despite a lot of political criticism allowed the '93 Clinton assault weapons ban to expire, I don't see how that ties into his master scheme of dictating the American people.
There may be hundreds of millions of firearms in the United States. There may be as many guns as people -- the numbers aren't exactly known, but if there was some kind of takeover I know for a fact the government would be met with heavy resistance. The number of armed citizens greatly outnumber soldiers, police officers, etc..
One could argue that Clinton's policies were more uncosntitutional and a greater threat to our democracy than anything George W. Bush has done.
It's something to contemplate.
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In Reply To #29
Well, Thaddeus, the only reason I brought this one up was because of the lopsided vote in the House.
It's a great topic and I applaud you for bringing it up. It's something that should be discussed and brought out into the open. I just think people may be overreacting to it.
[edit]: And not to excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior, but there are other countries whose leaders are a lot worse than Bush, and have policies that are a greater threat to their people (and world peace). I think of Hugo Chavez, the president of Pakistan, and even Vladimir Putin as an example of someone who goes out of his way to repress the rights of his people.
Hell, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government hangs 16-year-old girls in the street from cranebooms because they had premarital sex.
All of those countries are way ahead of the U.S. in contention to become "the next Nazi Germany."
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This bill hasn't even been passed yet. I think we are all getting ahead of ourselves. Lots of absurd, unconstitutional bills are brought up that always get shot down. Those that manage to slip through are typically undone by the next administration. It's nothing really new in American politics. It happens. Media sensationalism and political groups on both sides love to blow these things way out of proportion.
Bush is history in a matter of months, and the Democrats will have the White House again. And if it's a Republican president, it will probably be Guliani or Romney, both of whom are just as if not more liberal than any of the frontrunner Democratic candidates.
The United States is in no danger of becoming a dictatorship anytime soon.
Nobody is being touchy anymore than some are being paranoid, or sensationalist.
agreed that's what checks and balances are for and comparing the US to a communist country is really a faulty argument, cuz communism in nature is the exact polar opposite of democracy. Checks and balances will keep bush from overstepping his bounds, we have about as much chance of becoming a dictatorship as england does.
So, let's say, a year he's out. The bill will be in place, if it's passed. If he doesn't abuse it, the next leader may abuse that power too. And if not that one, then someone eventually will. The USA is fucked.
If it's passed, how the hell are the people going to get rid of it? Any disagreement with the government could be seen as an act of aggression. You break the law.
Arguing and patriotic pride aside, this could mean a lot of problems if this bill is passed. You don't give people that much power and not expect them to abuse it.
uh that doesn't make any sense, we have congress and the supreme court to keep the executive branch in line, I don't like the new bill but don't worry about it, our country hasn't lasted this long because we're lucky. If Congress feels in the (if the bill is ratified) that it gives the president too much power and he starts abusing it, they'll get rid of it, or the supreme court will rule it unconstitutional. And the president doesn't really have that much power he has to run just about every major decision by Congress before he does it.
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A Democrat in the White House will be just as bad if its Hillary Clinton. She and Giuliani are as frightening as Bush is in my eyes, and they're part of the same group of people who want to take over everything and oppress everyone.
People keep comparing the US to Nazi Germany because we're on the slippery slope towards being a police state and having that kind of dictatorship. All this witch hunting going on with Muslim and Arabic people here in this country is disgusting and this bill would only make it worse. Did you know that the government now considers playing PAINTBALL a "tactical training exercise?" Read that article about the Fort Dix Six in the latest issue of Time.
Fact is, this country's been on a downward spiral since the first Bush was in power and unless someone like Ron Paul gets elected, I don't see that slide ending any time soon. Bush has stolen a lot of power for the Executive Branch of the Govt. because Congress is asleep at the wheel and has basically done nothing to stop him.
The United States is the world's biggest supporter of terrorism, and has been for many many years. Not Saddam, not Musharreff, but the US. Bush and Co. are the worst terrorists to hit the globe in a long time. That, and we spend an ABSURD amount of money to fund Israel, another terrorist state. We aren't hated "because of our freedom," we're hated because we fund and carry out terrorist acts on international soil, and because we lie, cheat, and steal from other countries in the name of "business." Like someone once said, "America doesn't have friends, it has interests."
The "War On Terror
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Bush in his 8-year term isn't half the terrorist Saddam was in his 30 years of power. Saddam did indeed have ties to terrorism. He actively funded the families of Palestanian suicide bombers by holding mass telethons.
When he staged his coup in the 1970's he had his political rivals all dragged out into the parking lot and shot dead. Saddam gassed an entire village killing some 5000 Kurdish men, women, children. This is common knowledge. I could go on and on listing Saddam's artocities and human rights violations.
You think water-boarding is bad? Look at the techniques of Uday Hussein:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvampiria.meeka.net%2Fimages%2Firaqtorture2.jpg&hash=90b39ddfbb27bdf045a4a4ee8fd3f133)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvampiria.meeka.net%2Fimages%2Firaqtorture1.jpg&hash=f3f85271e8d49c322719999e49ca5e58)
And his Fedayeen:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/10/30/sprj.irq.torture.tape/
"On the tape, what appear to be Fedayeen Saddam members and Republican Guard troops are shown administering cruel punishments, including chopping off fingers, cutting off tongues, breaking a wrist with a heavy stick, and throwing people off a multi-story building.
Also depicted is a beheading by sword, which takes several attempts to complete."
The "War On Terror™" is like the War On Drugs: It's a war with no clear enemy, a war that cannot be won. It could go on for years, decades, even centuries and still be happening. We aren't chasing Osama anymore and he supposedly was the one responsible for 9/11. Why not? There's never been any clear tie between Saddam and any terrorist activity and anyone who thinks there is is kidding themselves. This is a war predicated on making a lot money for a few people and oppressing the masses, nothing more, nothing less.
Supposedly?
The world can defeat Islamic facism the way it defeated Nazi facism, because, Al-Qaeda, with their increasingly small numbers and 1950's-era small-arms Soviet weaponry, are not as
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In Reply To #35
By your tone, I'm assuming you think water-boarding, which as far as my knowledge has been recognized by the Geneva Conventions as torture, is a reasonable practice for America to use. Yeah, you know something? You're right. Let's show those terrorists just how much they changed America by using interrogation practices of the same nature as they do. Let's condone the same violence that we condemn terrorist for using. Also, lets pretend I'm not being sarcastic.
Additionally, the War on Terror is not called "The War on Al-Queda" for a reason; its war on terrorism in all forms. Terrorism is an idea; you can't kill an idea. However, we can, and must, get Al Queda, since if we don't, it will send a poor message about how America deals with its enemies.
Concerning how I think we should deal with terrorists, by all means, they must be dealt with. But calling war on a form of attack is like calling a war on thievery; you can arrest thieves, but you can never destroy thievery itself.
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agreed that's what checks and balances are for and comparing the US to a communist country is really a faulty argument, cuz communism in nature is the exact polar opposite of democracy. Checks and balances will keep bush from overstepping his bounds, we have about as much chance of becoming a dictatorship as england does.
uh that doesn't make any sense, we have congress and the supreme court to keep the executive branch in line, I don't like the new bill but don't worry about it, our country hasn't lasted this long because we're lucky. If Congress feels in the (if the bill is ratified) that it gives the president too much power and he starts abusing it, they'll get rid of it, or the supreme court will rule it unconstitutional. And the president doesn't really have that much power he has to run just about every major decision by Congress before he does it.
Oh I agree with that.
And that would be funny to see G.W. try and pull a Saddam Hussein-style coup and take Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, etc., out into the parking lot.
Ridiculous.
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In Reply To #35
By your
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Naw, I mean the occasional waterboarding cannot be compared to lopping people's heads off or throwing them off 3 story buildings.
I have to side with John McCain on the issue of waterboarding. It is torture and anyone who does it should be charged with warcrimes.
[edit] If I had my way Bush would be impeached for the direction in which he has taken our country.
He is a shitty president, but an Adolf Hitler he is not.
My bad, I took your tone the wrong way. I apologize for making such an assumption
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It's OK -- I should have re-read my comments. It did look like I am pro-waterboarding and you were in the right to call me on that.
And I agree with DoctaMario about Ron Paul. I think he is what this country needs (someone who will follow the Constitution exactly).
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Additionally, the War on Terror is not called "The War on Al-Queda" for a reason; its war on terrorism in all forms.
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Even if Bush passed this law, I believe it won't be permanent.
Many other presidents have suspended some of our rights and have been reissued to us; such as the Habeas Corpus and some other stuff..
But Bush is still a fag.
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In Reply To #42
Possibly... but whos to know what'll happen at a later date.
but the main reason I posted this post was to say: Nice end to your post.
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Even if Bush passed this law, I believe it won't be permanent.
I ono man, it'll really depend on alot of things, income tax was supposed to be temporary and the constitution had to be rewritten when it was instated and we're still waiting for the government to get rid of it.
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In Reply To #44
The Income Tax amendment is actually unconstitutional, but that's a whole other topic.
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Ummm...guys. That bill isn't going to be passed by our congress...etc. It's actually going to be passed by the U.N. And by the way: We Americans have NEVER had freedom of Speech to begin with.
Also, ever heard of the N. American Union? Not many people have, but was actually talked about on CNN. It opens all boarders between Mexico, US and Canada and eventually merges the 3 countries together. And yes they are doing this. The US is also coming getting ready to create a new currency called the Amero which will be used by Mexico, Canada and the US. 43 something congress...etc. 40 political figures argued against it in Canada, 15 states in the US voted against it. The others? Didn't seem to give a rats ass.
There is already A European Union, soon they are going to attempt an Asia union, African Union. Eventually over time a One World Government. By May 2008 everyone in the US, Canada and Mexico will be required to have new IDs which holds your Drivers License, Hospital info...etc.
After that we will all be chipped. Money, SS info, blood type and where the hell you are. These new chips are also in US passports.
So feel free to call me a conspiracy theorist and flame me. Do the research, via todays politics, religion, history...etc. Because it is going to happen.
If you really don't believe me - watch this video, this will give you proven scientific and historical fact that will make your mind collapse. But I warn you if you are weak willed, faint at heart I suggest you do not watch this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=Zeitgeistmovie&total=403&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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Ummm...guys. That bill isn't going to be passed by our congress...etc. It's actually going to be passed by the U.N. And by the way: We Americans have NEVER had freedom of Speech to begin with.
Also, ever heard of the N. American Union? Not many people have, but was actually talked about on CNN. It opens all boarders between Mexico, US and Canada and eventually merges the 3 countries together. And yes they are doing this. The US is also coming getting ready to create a new currency called the Amero which will be used by Mexico, Canada and the US. 43 something congress...etc. 40 political figures argued against it in Canada, 15 states in the US voted against it. The others? Didn't seem to give a rats ass.
There is already A European Union, soon they are going to attempt an Asia union, African Union. Eventually over time a One World Government. By May 2008 everyone in the US, Canada and Mexico will be required to have new IDs which holds your Drivers License, Hospital info...etc.
After that we will all be chipped. Money, SS info, blood type and where the hell you are. These new chips are also in US passports.
So feel free to call me a conspiracy theorist and flame me. Do the research, via todays politics, religion, history...etc. Because it is going to happen.
If you really don't believe me - watch this video, this will give you proven scientific and historical fact that will make your mind collapse. But I warn you if you are weak willed, faint at heart I suggest you do not watch this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=Zeitgeistmovie&total=403&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
That's some scary shit, dude. People can call me a conspiracy theorist, too, but I agree with you that it is a real, inevitable thing.