Topic: "Tropes vs Women in Video Games" Launches

[Ratty]

Its hilarious, a bunch of people really needing money in the world and they donate that amount for this?! The donator doesnt even asked for that much. Im disgusted. Thats one of these stories thats better doesnt know about, but now that I already read this the harm has already been made. Why they have thrown so many money away if she only asked for $6,000? I could even understand if she really needed that amount, but she doesnt. Also research about old games could be done totally for free, unless they are extremely obscure and not in english.

Well, she apparently used the extra money to extend the series from a 5 to a 13 episode one, and to create a college course curriculum.
You can see her take on it in her TEDtalk.
Anita Sarkeesian at TEDxWomen 2012

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

LET'S PLAY SOME BINGO!
Let's read this thread again, and see how many of these examples show up.  Maybe have a shot of your favorite booze for each time it comes up.
If you complete a line, congrats, this thread is full of male privilege! But don't fret, you'll be too drunk to give a shit.

[Neobelmont]

LET'S PLAY SOME BINGO!
Let's read this thread again, and see how many of these examples show up.  Maybe have a shot of your favorite booze for each time it comes up.
If you complete a line, congrats, this thread is full of male privilege! But don't fret, you'll be too drunk to give a shit.

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I'm taking a break from my political science and this is too much made me laugh which one am I, I wonder?

Hmm in the end I do not care I just wanna play awesome games 

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

That would make you either B2 or O5.

[VladCT]

I, erm... Can I just sit there...way over there, in the nuclear bunker?

[Gunlord]

Jorgey-sama, art thou a feminist?

[Neobelmont]

As I already said, the video really made me think. The damsel in distress plot in gaming was so overused it makes you think whether those plots actually make the wife / girlfriend appear like stolen property of the hero that he needs to recover, being the knight on white horse and all.

At least Symphony of the Night strays from the path with Maria coming to rescue Richter. Take that, feminists! 

Also, this.

Female Armor Sucks

Minerva's armor is awesome





Fire emblem women are again beautiful and strong
 

That would make you either B2 or O5.

I have never really thought about feminism in games or feminism at all.

But that g5 black/nerdy/girlfriendless is funny as well since I'm that as well just (minus the feelings and gay part) 

[Ratty]

Jim Sterling made his blog post about the first  "Tropes vs Women in Video Games" as a parody of "The Call of Cthulhu":
"A voice so horrifically unassuming. Arguments so disturbingly uncontroversial. This was a product of something cosmically beyond our pitiful grasp. We are as insects, facing the infinite. Please let me forget."
http://www.destructoid.com/the-call-of-sarkeesian-248138.phtml

Lol

I also generally agree with his earlier assessment of the controversy surrounding this series and Ms. Sarkeesian herself.
Jimquisition: Anita Sarkeesian - The Monster Gamers Created

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Quote from: Gunlord on Today at 12:39:55 AM

Jorgey-sama, art thou a feminist?

I am.

I guess it's not that I'm a feminist, but rather because I'm a hispanic straight male, I have felt my share of stereotypes and feel that we as a society should overcome these.  Hispanics may not get much until later but I can at least help by being outspoken about the gender issues in the media with regards to women and minorities.

The hispanics' time will not happen in the USA for some time.  We're still strawberry-picking brown people who are stealing jobs... at least to the more outspoken prejudicial people.

Basically, if you're a white male, you will generally have an easier mode in life than the other types of people/races.  And that should change.

PLEASE START YOUR LIFE.  PICK A CHARACTER.
GENDER/RACE/ORIENTATION:

Male/White/Straight = Easy Mode
Male/White/Gay = Normal Mode
Male/Minority/Straight = Normal Mode
Male/Minority/Gay = Hard Mode
Female/White/Straight = Normal Mode
Female/White/Gay = Hard Mode
Female/Minority/Straight = Hard Mode
Female/Minority/Gay = Viciously Hard Mode

...and this is not counting all the little nuances, like 'neighborhood/area', 'genre of sexuality (gay/lesbian/transexual/etc.).  This is a rather gross extreme oversimplification.  Please forgive me for it, but it's how I feel life is, generally.

Refusing to acknowledge that this is a problem and that, while it's nice to believe and strive for equality, the harsh reality is that we're not equal (at least not yet), leads to essentially turning a blind eye to the issue.  I hope to some day live in a world where there is more equality, but it's probably just a dream of mine.

[Gunlord]

Hmm...well, I don't necessarily share your views, but I respect them for being well thought-out, Jorgey-dono. However, I will say that while social equality is not necessarily a zero-sum game, the many groups you mention are not necessarily allied either, and in some cases have competing interests. The "oppressive" group of white straight males at the top of the "kyriarchy" is not the only only one with negative stereotypes of the others. For instance, many lesbian "radical feminists" dislike transgendered people, particularly male to females, for not being truly female. There is a history of racial strife between different racial minorities; black-Hispanic relations have not always or invariably been positive, and within the Asian community there are fractions due to their history in Asia (Secret Asian Man did a very funny comic about this, but I can't find it right now, alas ;_; ).

Social equality may be an admirable goal--at least to you, which is understandable coming from your background. Still, keep in mind that others may not share your dream for equally valid reasons, and that it may have a price...one that might not be paid only by those at the top of the social pyramid.

[Ratty]

I hope to some day live in a world where there is more equality, but it's probably just a dream of mine.

Not so, just look at John Lenon's "Imagine". Equality is a dream that has resonated with millions, myself included. But you are a feminist insofar as you want equal rights and opportunities for women. Personally I think gender, race sexuality and religion are all distractions from and scapegoats for economic inequality which is the true source of most of the suffering you talk about. But it's only through open discussion that understanding and education can flow for our continued improvement as a species.

Social equality may be an admirable goal--at least to you, which is understandable coming from your background.

I have a hard time imagining someone who wasn't just trying to hold onto their own privilege to whom it wouldn't be an admirable goal.

[Gunlord]

someone who wasn't just trying to hold onto their own privilege

That would be every person on Earth, Ratty. We are all "privileged" in some way. A female minority lesbian is still better off than a female minority lesbian who's blind, who's still more "privileged" than a female minority lesbian who's blind and deaf, and so on, and so forth.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I don't... think that's what privilege is.

Privilege refers to the unearned advantages or rights granted to a group solely on the basis of them being that group, but usually denied to aren't, coupled with an ignorance/blind-eye to the existence of said advantages and denials.

I did say that my little chart was a gross oversimplification and even commented that there are many subcategories within, many of which may tweak the state of things.

[Ratty]

That would be every person on Earth, Ratty. We are all "privileged" in some way. A female minority lesbian is still better off than a female minority lesbian who's blind, who's still more "privileged" than a female minority lesbian who's blind and deaf, and so on, and so forth.

"Priviledged" in this context is not the same as an advantage or disadvantage based on something like birth defects (which are outside of human control) but an unfair advantage which is bestowed by society based on factors which have no direct bearing on a person's ability to do something more or less competently than someone else. And I suspect you understand this. Nobody is talking about a "Harrison Bergeron" scenario here*, but about fair and equal pay for equal work, equal respect and equal opportunities based on the merits of the individual rather than circumstances brought about by happenstance such as place of birth, race/sexuality/gender etc.

*Well I guess you are but none of the rest of us are.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

^What he said.