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Title: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: theANdROId on September 24, 2017, 08:00:33 PM
I could use the advice of some fellow CV fans in regards to an idea I have, but I don't want to say much because...well, I don't.  It's nothing personal, but I just have reasons for now.  I'll tell all later.


For now though, who do you think are the greatest of the Belmonts?  If I were to include them in this project, but were limited to 5, or *maaaybe* 7, who should I pick?

There were the 5 picked for the "Greatest Five" in PoR (Richter, Leon, Trevor, Juste, Simon).  Would you just go with those?  Would you pick a different 5?  If I could do 7, who would you pick for the other 2?
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: GuyStarwind on September 24, 2017, 08:18:10 PM
Richter and Julius are probably the greatest. But that also might be due to development of the games and the more they can put with in them.

So speaking of Belmont (well not really but kind of) I saw Kingsmen 2 and it had some good whip action and all I could think about was the Belmonts
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: aensland on September 24, 2017, 10:51:43 PM
Richter is probably one of the worst Belmonts alongside Soleil, like, being captured and influenced by Dracula is totally super lame.

Leon, Trevor, Christopher, Simon and Julius should be the greatest.

About Juste, even if I really like him, he never faced Dracula itself unlike their ancestors, so I guess we can't tell or measure his real might. 
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: FanOfDracula on September 24, 2017, 11:23:40 PM
I am with aensland and in that same order, leon, trevor, christopher, simon and julius.   8)
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: zangetsu468 on September 25, 2017, 02:01:57 AM
Yeah, no. Richter was influenced because Shaft's spirit entered his body directly after the fight with Dracula ended, with Richter emerging victorious. There's another example of a legendary Belmont being affected directly after the Dracula battle.. Simon. Dracula put a curse on him and on the land of Wallachia before he died. Trevor also got stabbed from behind by Isaac, who was far less powerful than Dracula. The Belmonts aren't impervious to damage or influence, they're still human.

I'd say Leon is the the most iconic Belmont. He struck the killing blow on his betrothed, used that same whip to kill a very powerful vampire and vanquished Death - 400 years before any of his descendants did anything remarkable.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 25, 2017, 05:37:38 AM
I want Julius to be part of the best 5 but I like the best 5 selection too... I juste can't take the interior decorator away.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: X on September 25, 2017, 09:52:51 AM
I feel the greatest of the Belmonts existed before IGA took over the series.

Trevor Belmont

Christopher Belmont

Simon Belmont

Richter Belmont

John Morris

Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on September 25, 2017, 01:30:56 PM
The greatest are:
Leon - started the legacy, defeated many different powerful demons and monsters, a powerful master vampire and Death, all before his lineage got superhuman abilities in themselves
Ralph/Trevor - First person to ever defeat Dracula, the Demon King. He recruited poweful allies and always kept a watchful eye on the powers of Darkness.
Julius - The man who defeated Dracula for good and stated to be *the* most powerful Vampire Hunter, even in advanced age.

The rest, while certainly all impressive and badass, didn't go above and beyond like those three, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: aensland on September 25, 2017, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: zangetsu468 on September 25, 2017, 02:01:57 AM
Richter was influenced because Shaft's spirit entered his body directly after the fight with Dracula ended, with Richter emerging victorious.
Simon. Dracula put a curse on him and on the land of Wallachia before he died.
Trevor also got stabbed from behind by Isaac, who was far less powerful than Dracula.

With Alucard and Maria's help, totally uncool
And he got rid of it alone, a curse from Dracula itself, no one doubts about Simon being the flagship Belmont
You said it, stabbed, just a flesh wound and a plot device, so whatever



Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Nagumo on September 25, 2017, 03:23:27 PM
Simon Belmont III

Pierre Belmont

Desmond Belmont

Kokoro Belmont

RICHITER Belmont
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: zangetsu468 on September 25, 2017, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: aensland on September 25, 2017, 02:04:16 PM
You said it, stabbed, just a flesh wound and a plot device, so whatever
Stabbed, unable to assist Hector, and mortally wounded according to Julia.
A plot device, as if anything that happens in CV (including Sotn) is not a plot device to showcase gameplay..

Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: theplottwist on September 25, 2017, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: Nagumo on September 25, 2017, 03:23:27 PM
Simon Belmont III

Pierre Belmont

Desmond Belmont

Kokoro Belmont

RICHITER Belmont

>not picking Simondo Belmondo and his magnificent taiyaki

i am disappoint
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: aensland on September 25, 2017, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: zangetsu468 on September 25, 2017, 03:50:31 PM
A plot device, as if anything that happens in CV (including Sotn) is not a plot device to showcase gameplay..
One (1) cutscene doesn't turns Trevor into a jobber, less if he has two boss battles in the same game.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: AlexCalvo on September 26, 2017, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: Nagumo on September 25, 2017, 03:23:27 PM
Simon Belmont III

Pierre Belmont

Desmond Belmont

Kokoro Belmont

RICHITER Belmont
Wasn't there like a George Belmont?  He was an actor playing his ancestor Simon I believe in some ridiculous tie in material from the 80s.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Guy Belmont on September 26, 2017, 01:22:55 PM
Yeah I'll have to go with Christopher, Simon , Trevor, Leon & Julius.
Personally I think that Julius is the best of them all. he was just sooooo cool, shame we never got 1999 as a game.

Quote from: aensland on September 24, 2017, 10:51:43 PM
Richter is probably one of the worst Belmonts alongside Soleil, like, being captured and influenced by Dracula is totally super
Its funny cos my sis and I where just talking about this, and about how some say he gave up the whip out of shame, its an interesting  idea, I still like the breaking the "blood Pact" idea I spoke of. better 
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Wonder if IGA will ever give us a real reason... no
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Holy Diver on September 26, 2017, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: AlexCalvo on September 26, 2017, 12:55:02 PM
Wasn't there like a George Belmont?  He was an actor playing his ancestor Simon I believe in some ridiculous tie in material from the 80s.
Not George, it's Simon.
If I recall corectly he somehow accidentaly awakened Dracula during filming and had to kill him.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: chainsawmidget on September 26, 2017, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: DraculaCronqvist on September 25, 2017, 01:30:56 PM
The greatest are:
Leon - started the legacy, defeated many different powerful demons and monsters, a powerful master vampire and Death, all before his lineage got superhuman abilities in themselves
Ralph/Trevor - First person to ever defeat Dracula, the Demon King. He recruited poweful allies and always kept a watchful eye on the powers of Darkness.
Julius - The man who defeated Dracula for good and stated to be *the* most powerful Vampire Hunter, even in advanced age.

The rest, while certainly all impressive and badass, didn't go above and beyond like those three, in my opinion.
Oh come on, no love for Simon?

Not only did he kill Dracula, he went gathered his body parts so he could put him back together and kill him again.  Then he waited 100 years for him to come back so he could kill him again. 

Then he skateboarded around his castle, teamed up with Megaman and Kid Icarus, and got into a fight with Optimus Prime.  ... pretty sure that's all canon.    ;)
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Dracula9 on September 26, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: theANdROId on September 24, 2017, 08:00:33 PM
There were the 5 picked for the "Greatest Five" in PoR (Richter, Leon, Trevor, Juste, Simon).  Would you just go with those?  Would you pick a different 5?  If I could do 7, who would you pick for the other 2?

Julius, Julius, Julius, Julius, Julius, Julius, and Julius.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: X on September 26, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
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Oh come on, no love for Simon?

Not only did he kill Dracula, he went gathered his body parts so he could put him back together and kill him again.  Then he waited 100 years for him to come back so he could kill him again. 

Then he skateboarded around his castle, teamed up with Megaman and Kid Icarus, and got into a fight with Optimus Prime.  ... pretty sure that's all canon.    ;)

^^^^
This is why Simon Belmont is the man, especially his SCV4 iteration.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Dremn on September 27, 2017, 10:32:38 AM
Leon
Trevor
Christopher
Simon
Julius
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: zangetsu468 on September 27, 2017, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Dracula9 on September 26, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
Julius, Julius, Julius, Julius, Julius, Julius, and Julius.

Julius is to Castlevania what Dylan is to hip-hop
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: TheTextGuy on September 29, 2017, 05:48:40 AM
Quote from: chainsawmidget on September 26, 2017, 06:59:01 PM
Then he skateboarded around his castle, teamed up with Megaman and Kid Icarus, and got into a fight with Optimus Prime.  ... pretty sure that's all canon.    ;)
Ah, yes, I forgot to mention that time where he went and fought Optimus Prime and later Megatron in the recommended readings section. :P

Now I'm just thinking of Simon Belmont going into Unicron (basically Satan for the Transformers) and just wrecking shit up.  And killing Unicron.  Without the Matrix of Leadership. 
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: zangetsu468 on September 29, 2017, 07:50:11 AM
Quote from: TheTextGuy on September 29, 2017, 05:48:40 AM
Ah, yes, I forgot to mention that time where he went and fought Optimus Prime

Optimus Prime and then half of Lenny Kravitz.. Oh wait that was Family Guy.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: theANdROId on September 29, 2017, 04:56:28 PM
So it seems like pretty much everyone agrees:  Leon -- Trevor -- Christopher -- Simon -- Julius.

Anyone know of some particularly good pictures/artwork of Christopher, perhaps along the lines of official stuff?  I'm familiar with the artwork for the others because they're in games I own, but I'm not really familiar with Christopher.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: X on September 29, 2017, 06:19:20 PM
Well here's some of Christopher.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcastlevania.retrogaming.fr%2Ffiles%2F2014%2F04%2FChristopher-Belmonts-Revenge.jpg&hash=b59c060bdad6d29cf2d372ed2ad5ece0)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.staticneo.com%2Fw%2Fcastlevania%2Fe%2Fed%2FChristopher.jpg&hash=62044c6385dc815ab0c7dadeff2f0f66)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.game-art-hq.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2FChristopher-Belmont-Castlevania-II-Belmonts-Revenge-Art.jpg&hash=0d9ddac7650c1ec109dc5ede17d17cfb)
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 30, 2017, 12:35:26 AM
Quote from: AlexCalvo on September 26, 2017, 12:55:02 PM
Wasn't there like a George Belmont?

Jorge Fuentes Belmont!  ;D
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: suomynona on October 01, 2017, 01:52:38 AM
Julius > Simon > Christopher > Ralph/Trevor > Juste
>>> Leon > 'Sonia' > Richter > Soleiyu

Julius is and will be the OP. Simon is close second by maybe a millimetre or two. Christopher killed Dracula twice. Trevor was the first one to end Dracula. Juste can do magic stuff.

Leon did not kill Dracula, and he is an asshole towards his descendants. I dunno much about Sonia, but she did kill Dracula (though not the full Dracula). Richter and Soleiyu is weak cause they were controlled by Dracula, but at least Richter ended Dracula once.

This list is Opinion Based. In canon, later they were born, stronger they are.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: GuyStarwind on October 01, 2017, 09:44:23 PM
I'm kind of surprised with all the Leon love. I'm not saying that's a bad thing what so ever but it just surprises me. I guess it's just because I feel like he gets overshadowed by other characters.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: theANdROId on October 09, 2017, 10:17:49 AM
Well, Leon is one I knew I'd include from the beginning, in part because I stole the name for my firstborn.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: gallandryal on October 16, 2017, 10:37:27 AM
Simon and Julius are the greatest. If I could pick one, i'd go with Julius.
Trevor is in third spot.

Soleiyu  and Richter are the worst. I don't care for Soleiyu, but i like Richter as a character, but he's really flawed.

Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Holy Diver on October 18, 2017, 01:20:12 AM
Who cares if Juste never defeated fully resurrected Dracula.
He can shoot shiny stuff, he is superior in interior design to any character in series and possibly nailed a french maid rougly 500 years before it became a mainstream fetish. If that's not awesome, then I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: FanOfDracula on October 18, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
:o    Good point...  xD
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: zangetsu468 on October 19, 2017, 09:09:45 AM
They were the best of the Belmonts, they were the worst of the Belmonts..
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: theANdROId on October 25, 2017, 07:21:57 PM
Okay, another question to anyone who wants to know exactly what I'm doing or just doesn't care if there's no "surprise"

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Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: X on October 25, 2017, 08:56:35 PM
Artist's choice in my book. Go with what you want  :)
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on October 25, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
Do what feels right to you.
The partners are a nice touch too, all versions of Alucard are good. Hahaha.
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: zangetsu468 on October 26, 2017, 08:27:20 AM
I can see it now.. I think the Trevor > Richter idea is fantastic.. I can even see their VK's framing the whole scene artistically... Simon with his back to the viewer facing the castle gates.. The list goes on
Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: theANdROId on December 07, 2017, 06:00:44 AM
I have another question and I'm curious what some of you might think and why.

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Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on December 07, 2017, 01:33:48 PM
Richter may not be the best, but he's the hottest

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Title: Re: Picking the best of the Belmonts
Post by: zangetsu468 on December 08, 2017, 08:17:13 PM
Quote from: Bloo on December 07, 2017, 01:33:48 PM
Richter may not be the best, but he's the hottest

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Still my favourite artwork of any CV :)