Topic: Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep

[Blue Cheese]

clever

[Slayer]

In Reply To #15

Trust me, if by some chance you do...he will...

[Gunlord]

In Reply To #11

"The architecture in the more impressive of the European Cathedrals makes the small person shiver uncomfortably when facing the gigantic volume and structure of the buildings. It is only logical, since the Church during the middle-ages was maintaining control over Europe's population trough fear of the life beyond and insecurity about one's future."

That's one way of looking at it. Another, equally justified way of looking at it would be as inspiration--the thought that human beings, even in the middle ages, without the benefit of modern-day technology and girded only by their faith in the Almighty, were able to create such massive, majestic structures is testament to the power of human will and endurance and evidence of the fact that people can accomplish the greatest of feats--and beyond--if they put their minds to it and dedicate themselves to it with all their heart.

By the same token, you could be 'horrified' at the sign of the cross being a symbol of 'suffering,' but when you consider that Jesus rose after being crucified, you could also take the cross of being symbolic of the fact that no matter how much pain and suffering human beings endure over our lives, ever shall we rise again after 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 years, or however long it takes, with the only effect being the strengthening of our determination to make the world a better place and ease the suffering of others, even if we have to sacrifice ourselves.

[Blue Cheese]

In Reply To #18

Nope. While all that sounds good, the whole humanist "man is the bestest" take is fundamentally opposite of Judaeo Christian teaching.

[Mooning Freddy]

In Reply To #18

Nope. While all that sounds good, the whole humanist "man is the bestest" take is fundamentally opposite of Judaeo Christian teaching.

... And of Socialistic (call it Communistic if you will) teachings. Communism taught people that religion=bad, it enslaves people and drinks their blood. The three evils according to Socialism were kings, popes and Capitalists.

[Slayer]

In Reply To #20

damn, I guess I'm hated...since I'm the king of awesome!

[Cypress]

I've never found it creepy.

[Slayer]

In Reply To #22

It's funny how Dave Mustaine is a born again Christian, now.  He probably won't be singing that song anymore...

[Mooning Freddy]

"Now I lay me down to sleep
Blah Blah Blah, my soul to keep
And if I die before I wake
I'll go to hell, for heaven's sake"

Why is it I get the feeling Dave Mustaine said that mostly to piss off Metallica? You know, for using the quote in their probably most famous song. "Blah blah blah, f**k metallica, I own you guys, your lyrics suck"...

[Slayer]

In Reply To #24

That's a good possibility...
Edit:
But, then again, it kinda fits in with the context of the lyrics.  The song is called "Go to Hell"

   

 Megadeth - Go To Hell Lyrics


Go To Hell

(Originally appeared on "Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey" soundtrack)
Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the lord my soul to keep.
If I should die before I wake, I pray the lord my soul to take.
I'm not gonna wake up today, They've pulled my plug, the picture fades.
And as my body decays, mold begins to fill my grave.
The smell of death permeates, The silk within my coffin lays.
Go to hell!
As they bury me now, six feet there my body lies.
Still feel like I can't go down, I hear a distant wailing cry.
God, something must've gone wrong.
Much too late I realize.
Go to hell!
I saw my funeral that day, I know who didn't show to mourn.
My judgement was life in hell, Pillars of pain and thorns.
My only friend's the goat, With 666 between his horns.
Go to hell!
Place all your trust here in me, Rest assured these things I know.
And as Charon sails the sea, Your journey too shall end below.
Ah yes you're all sitting ducks, It's true you reap what you sow.
Go to hell!
Now I lay me down to sleep, Blah, blah, blah my soul to keep.
If I die before I wake, I'll go to hell for heaven's sake.

  Go To Hell

[Gunlord]

In Reply To #19

Very true, but I was just sayin' that there are humanistic values to be found in religious teachings and works, even if religious people themselves don't mean it that way. Even Richard Dawkins (the ~*hardcore atheist*~), for instance, points to Jesus as exemplary of humanistic values aside from his teaching about God, which is why Dawkins started those "Atheists for Jesus" shirts.

[Ed Oscuro]

I used to recite the prayer, minus the "die before I wake" part. They've replaced it with something new. I did know about the "die before I wake" part years ago, though.

anyway, Jesus can take everybody else for eternal angelic buttsecks, if you ask me

[Mooning Freddy]

May I tell a joke? Ok.

The great rabbi of Jerusalem comes to the Vatican to meet the Pope. The Pope shows him around his office, and the impressed rabbi looks around.
"Hey, what is this?" Asks the rabbi, pointing to a beautiful, decorated phone on the side of the room.
"Oh, that is a phone for making calls directly to God."
"Magnificent! To tell you the truth, I have a pressing matter I have to consult God with. May I use your phone?"
"Of course you may."
And so the rabbi makes his call, and when puts down the phone he says: "Thank you. So it wouldn't be too much of a trouble, I would be willing to cover the cost of my call."
"That would be 23$."
The rabbi pays, and the two part.
A year later, the Pope comes to Jerusalem and decided to visit the Great rabbi. When he meets him, he notices that the rabbi has the same phone in his office likr his own.
"Wonderful! Is that a phone for calling God as well?"
"Indeed."
"What reminds me, I should consult him on an urgent matter of my own. My I use you phone?"
"As you wish!"
So the Pope consults with God, and later tells to the Rabbi:
"I wish to be so kind and pay the phone bill for my conversation."
"If that is what you want, that would be 5 NIS (1.25$)."
"Five NIS? Why so cheap."
That's where the rabbi smiles and says: "local call".