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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: SomaCruz on February 02, 2008, 10:15:45 PM
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In Castlevania POR when you fight with Richiter *Whip's Memory* what happened to the REAL or ORIGINAL Richiter? and also Maria? What are they doing,why,where?
Unless i've forgot some storyline, i think they just appear randomly in POR?
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Richter was the last Belmont to have the whip before J so that's why he's the "Whip's Memory"! Richter fell under Shaft's spell, & this somehow corrupted the Belmont's power to use the whip. Sometime after the Morris' take control of it.
Maria is in there just for fan service
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In Reply To #2
mmm, delicious fan service <3
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Richter fell under Shaft's spell, & this somehow corrupted the Belmont's power to use the whip.
All we know is that something caused the Belmonts to become unworthy of wielding the whip until 1999. That it was specifically Shaft's spellbinding of Richter is just conjecture at this point.
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What about Trevor Belmont? Let's just say you take a look at Curse Of Darkness :D lol
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Yes, it may or may not be related to Shaft's control of Richter. IGA said it was something, more like an "event" that he'll come back to sometime in the future. All we know is that the point where the Belmont's loose control of the whip is sometime after SotN and before Stoker's Dracula(if I'm lead to believe Quincy, in CV form, wields the VK). We know for a fact that Ricther's child doesn't wield the VK, or their memory would be the one represented. I would guess this even occurs sometime in late 18th century or early 19th century.
And Trevor. Many of us would like to believe he survived Isaac's stabbing. He did father children with Sypha, but whether he started before or after CoD, it's unknown. From the official timeline, his children(or their children) will marry into the Morris family, which will forge the Belmont/Morris bloodlink. That's important for later(the event I noted above).
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In Reply To #6
I was under the impression that Trevor was nursed back to health. Was he not?
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In Reply To #7
It was never said. He might have had even died and the usa translators added the forced bit of "oh that guy, i saved him. lol"
I don't think Richter's possession would be what caused the loss of the whip. I mean, let's look back. Soleil had the exact same thing happen to him, except he was possessed by Dracula himself, not a ghost of a dead minion.
And yet, we get Simon.
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So, wait, is it confirmed that the whole "nursing" thing was put in by US translators?
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In Reply To #9
Nope. I said "might". Nothing was confirmed, we need someone with moonspeak abilities to watch it and say how it is.
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Threads like this are the type of threads that get me bitched at for bashing Iga. However, who gives a fuck? I'm going to continue doing so. I can't stand his storytelling. I'm not even going to bitch about how he turned Dracula into a heroic Japanese teenager from the future at this time because, let's face it, I'll be here for weeks, however, I'm going to bitch at some of the points already stated above. Why must he downgrade all of the Belmonts? Why must he make all of these comments in interviews, such as "something happened to the Belmonts so now they can't use the Vampire Killer," instead of just telling us what happened in a game? How the hell are the average fans, who don't go around reading every Iga interview, supposed to know this? How is it he can introduce characters in a game without giving us any info on them, for i.e. Saint Germain. What was the point of even adding him? He didn't advance the story. Shit, he was a time traveler. All he had to do to stop Death was either travel back to a certain time to do so or inform Hector what was really going on. Not mentioning what happened to Trevor at the end of CoD really pisses me off. There is just so much wasted potential while Iga is in charge. When will the higher ups in Konami come to their senses and get rid of him?
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lol.
But Serio, if Trevor died...wouldn't his bloodline go with him?
Judging by the fact Christopher was alive and kicking in Adventure, it seems Trevor lived after all.
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Thomas, can't you just, like, "not care"? Somethings are very easy to ignore. Stories in CV, in GENERAL, can be ignored altogether. I mean, even before IGA, stories haven't been CV's strong point. I always say, you want stories, you're playing the wrong genre. Play Final Fantasy, or Xenosaga. DON'T play CV, IGA's CV or those before him.
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In Reply To #12
It was already mentioned by DragonSlayr81 that Trevor may have done the magic dance with Sypha before CoD. So it is possible that Trevor could have died...
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All we know is that something caused the Belmonts to become unworthy of wielding the whip until 1999. That it was specifically Shaft's spellbinding of Richter is just conjecture at this point.
I agree, simon was cursed too and the whip was cool with it, I think as long as a belmont weilds it it will unleash it's true power. Jon has problems cuz his blood is very diluted and the whip doesn't recognize him as a belmont.
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In Reply To #15
It was a different curse, though. Simon's curse would have killed him, while Richter's could have very well made him Dracula's "best-friend".
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Like Soleil. He was the same as Richter, except a worse case since he was controlled by Drac himself, not some lowly priest who'se drac's minion.
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Thomas, can't you just, like, "not care"? Somethings are very easy to ignore. Stories in CV, in GENERAL, can be ignored altogether. I mean, even before IGA, stories haven't been CV's strong point. I always say, you want stories, you're playing the wrong genre. Play Final Fantasy, or Xenosaga. DON'T play CV, IGA's CV or those before him.
yep and every game should be like POR too,i mean come on if the story line don't matter why should the game play.lol
hell i say instead of sprites and background they should use color blocks or even black and white blocks::)
let all head back to the gameboy day but still spend $60 for the games.
every line of that sounds about the same too me as not having a good story line.
but some ppl like me like story line and good game play why should i have to play a pos like Final Fantasy, or Xenosaga to get a story line.
sorry if ppl like them games but i hate turn based games.
give me hack in slash anyday but i want a good story line even if others don't care about the story alot still do and just like a movie a bad story can do alot to a game.
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People make believe that the CV series ALWAYS had a deep story, and that IGA's coming hindered this. No, CV's always been weak in the story department. I would like, more than anything, a deep story too, but I don't that will happen considering the length of the games. You need length for a story to unfold, and CV games aren't known for their length(most adventures, I'm sure many can agree, seem to pass on by SUPER FAST. And I think there's more chance of this in a 3D game done RIGHT. And I don't mean like the N64 ones. I always said the perfect 3D CV games would have bits from the N64 games, some from the PS2 games, yet a lot MORE just overall.
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The stories in the old games were elegant in their minimalism. In games like Dawn and Portrait, though, they're more expansive but also infinitely more embarrassing.
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I agree with that. For what was small in the earlier games, it was nice, but one thing Konami of America shit over was the translations. I would've liked the whole "Church sending armies and skilled warriors to fight Dracula's Forces" like in the Japanese version over the stupid "Poltergiest King" thing of the watered down American version.
And yes, I cringed(seriously, CRINGED) at that part during the end of DoS when they talk about Soma being around Mina's finger, then Hammer saying that Yoko has him around her finger. Then, everybody laughs. That was the stupidest thing I EVER seen! Sadly, that was typical Japanese fluff not above most anime series, but that type of fluff should not be in this series to begin with. Sometimes, I wonder if I'm wrong to just say, "Screw kids! Screw the youngins!". As it is, CV has to water itself down more just to cater to teenyboppers and tweens. It's just like the saturation with all those PG-13 pieces of crap horror films they are making today. Screw kids! I want my Rated-R horror, like in the old days. Kids will STILL find a way to see them, so you don't have to worry about the money.
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Bah, that doesn't mean shit. IGA says a lot of things, and people rely on interviews too much. I remember him saying in an interview several months back that he'd be interested in doing a game where Dracula is a virus & Belmont is the cure. wtf?
And regards to Trevor, he also said in an interview that he won't be the hidden character in CoD, and to "keep guessing" who it might be. another wtf.
So whatever he said about Richter (which I don't even remember the exact interview such a tidbit was mentioned in), he coulda just been screwing around or rambling.
So the most likely explanation is the Shaft curse thing. ;)
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I remember him saying in an interview several months back that he'd be interested in doing a game where Dracula is a virus & Belmont is the cure. wtf?
Ever heard of a joke? I think he even laughed after he said that.
So the most likely explanation is the Shaft curse thing.
Or would be, if not for the fact that 200 years earlier Soleil suffered the exact same fate, only much worse. Dracula was the one who cursed him to side with evil, not some dead priest. But nothing happened, years later Belmonts were still using the whip without any trouble.
And iga only said that "belmonts can't use the whip after richter's times." Not why. For why he answered that it'll be eventually covered by something, either a game or some additional storyline bit.
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Soleil didn't have the whip, though, Christopher did. So maybe him being cursed didn't interfere with VK's power. Richter on the other hand had the whip during his possession, so it could be argued that this somehow messed things up.
Simon's curse was completely different, btw.
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That's why i didn't mention simon as one of the cursed guys. Just said that we got simon a bit later, which means there was no "belmonts can't touch the whip for nearly 200 years" bullshit.