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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2014, 06:16:11 AM »
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Either that or three individual images would work I gather. They should show an obvious progression of lest to greatest. Think of how the Potion, Great Potion, and Super Potion are represented in later CV games. They're identifiable as the same, but one looks obviously better than the other. You can tell just be looking at it.

I much prefer to present different sprites on a complete set than recolored ones. I'm fine with having each one judged separatelly.

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Here are the sprites that will be used if the golden bat wins, meant as preview only, and not animated since only the bat is up for judgment (yes they'll be animated too):


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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #76 on: October 08, 2014, 09:16:28 AM »
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Here comes a new challenger???

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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2014, 06:49:44 PM »
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The idea was to have each winner get their award used as a prize in the forum.
Submitting 3 awards as a set is incompatible with that goal.

We will have to choose what we want to do:

Option 1:
Each entry submitted in multiple palettes for possible use as 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place.
Each winner get's their sprite used as the award for that place from now on.

Option 2:
Each entry submitted as a set of 3 separate sprites, one for each place winner.
The 1st place winner gets their sprites used as awards as the first place prize.
The 2nd and 3rd place winners get the 1st place winner's awards for those places.

Option3:
The contest is split into 3 categories.
Each entry specifies whether it is for the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place category.
Each entry is only evaluated against other entries of the same category.
Each category has only one winner and each winner gets their sprite used as a forum award.


Personally I like option 3.
We really need to get this decided asap.
In fact, I think I'm going to put up a poll for this in another thread.

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The poll will last for 3 days. IF you don't vote, don't bitch about it later.
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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2014, 09:07:33 PM »
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I don't see the incompatibility issue. If contestant "anonymous_superspriter" submits sprites A B C which are three diferent sprites (no recolors), judges does NOT have the obligation of treat them as a set because "anonymous_superspriter" leave in the hands of the judges the freedom to pick A, B or C as 1st, 2nd or 3rd (or not to pick any of his sprites). In other words, any submission from any spriter competes with any other submission for the 1st, 2nd or 3rd

This mean the contestants doesn't require to make especific 1st, 2nd and 3rd sprites, instead, they make three sprites the way they want, and the judges are the ones who decide what sprites is used as 1st (the best score), 2nd (second best score) and 3rd.

Just an idea, of course


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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2014, 09:15:01 PM »
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I must say that I found this contest, while useful (due to future contests), somewhat ... restrictive in imagination.  I think theplottwist more or less snagged the best idea to be used.  I know Uzo mentioned items, and other similar objects, in ascending order (or a whip, or the double and triple powerups and so on), but let's be honest here:  the winner "object" will most definitely be a figure (either human or creature or anything inbetween).

Also, because of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place format, the bronze, silver and gold concept is the most recognizable (again, theplottwist).  The trio of busts I submitted, for example, don't really occur in any natural "order".  In CVIII for example, each character has their strengths, weaknesses, and specific uses.  The only way I could ofset this was by coloring them in the bronze, silver and gold palettes, to make it more apparent they are trophies and representing particular places in the contest.

This is more or less just my thoughts on this contest.  I won't be hurt if it has no bearing on the results or submissions, but it was with this frame of mind that I approached, and felt somewhat ... at a lack for imagination or interest because of what the end result required.

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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2014, 09:20:50 PM »
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Okay, my perpetual confusion aside (the first post edit helps, but I'm still not sure what the hell's going on) on the scoring system, something about this one is nagging at me.

There are three winners to this contest, right?

Each contestant must enter three sprites also, correct?

So how the hell do you determine who gets what award? Does Firsty get all three of his/her sprites used? Or does Firsty get his 1st Place award used, Secondy his 2nd place award used, and Thirdy his 3rd place award used? Or do the three winners get to choose which of their entries is used for the spot?

I mean I don't know how many times I can say "overcomplicated," but when the guy who's been in sprite contests for six-something years now has no clue what's going on, I think that's a sign.


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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2014, 09:59:39 PM »
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So how the hell do you determine who gets what award?

What i understand is...
One judge picks 3 sprites he considers the bests (No matter if those are from the same contestant or from different contestants). He gives 4 points to the best of the three, 2 to the 2nd best and 1 to the "less good" of the three. This mean in the end, the judges will be giving an score for a minimum of 3 different sprites or a maximum of 9 different sprites. So if you win the first prize, doesn't mean all the sprites in your set are used as award, but only one. I'm not sure, i'm also confused ^^

but people has already submitted sprites. ^^
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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2014, 10:05:21 PM »
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Re: 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest
« Reply #83 on: October 08, 2014, 10:14:02 PM »
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LOL

OK, The 1st Annual Castlevania Dungeon Sprite Contest has been put off until next year due to the impossibility to establish a simple scoring system ^^


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Re: Castlevania Dungeon Award Sprite Contest
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2014, 02:12:51 AM »
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I think the same as Dracula9, i made something but im going to wait a little to understand perfectly te rules and then i think im going to post my work if it fit and see what happen XD

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Re: Castlevania Dungeon Award Sprite Contest
« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2014, 04:25:07 AM »
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The rules are cool as stated on the start of the thread.

I was under the impression the judges could pick whatever they wanted for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places...

Let's drop this "set" business.

The "set"'s is more for the participants so that they actually have 3 different chances to win. Not that 1 person wins the whole thing and only their awards are used...?\

Am I missing something?

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Re: Castlevania Dungeon Award Sprite Contest
« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2014, 05:32:53 AM »
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If the rules were cool, we wouldn't have spent six pages trying to figure them out. :P


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Re: Castlevania Dungeon Award Sprite Contest
« Reply #87 on: October 09, 2014, 05:50:18 AM »
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If the rules were cool, we wouldn't have spent six pages trying to figure them out. :P

I was talking about now, but Good point! lol ;D

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Re: Castlevania Dungeon Award Sprite Contest
« Reply #88 on: October 09, 2014, 05:57:45 AM »
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I must say that I found this contest, while useful (due to future contests), somewhat ... restrictive in imagination.  I think theplottwist more or less snagged the best idea to be used.  I know Uzo mentioned items, and other similar objects, in ascending order (or a whip, or the double and triple powerups and so on), but let's be honest here:  the winner "object" will most definitely be a figure (either human or creature or anything inbetween).

Also, because of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place format, the bronze, silver and gold concept is the most recognizable (again, theplottwist).  The trio of busts I submitted, for example, don't really occur in any natural "order".  In CVIII for example, each character has their strengths, weaknesses, and specific uses.  The only way I could ofset this was by coloring them in the bronze, silver and gold palettes, to make it more apparent they are trophies and representing particular places in the contest.

This is more or less just my thoughts on this contest.  I won't be hurt if it has no bearing on the results or submissions, but it was with this frame of mind that I approached, and felt somewhat ... at a lack for imagination or interest because of what the end result required.

If if makes you feel any better, I am in love with 2/3 of your submission, and if my game ever gets continued I will ask you to allow me to use 'em for the character icons.
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Re: Castlevania Dungeon Award Sprite Contest
« Reply #89 on: October 09, 2014, 06:20:12 AM »
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If if makes you feel any better, I am in love with 2/3 of your submission, and if my game ever gets continued I will ask you to allow me to use 'em for the character icons.

I like all the icons, honestly, even if they don't reflect a progression from "lest to best".
And Jorge highlighted something that I'm expecting to happen in every contest: imaginative ways to use all submissions. The true goal of this contest, in MY opinion, is to generate interest in honing the artist's skills to razor sharp (through the will to win), so virtually anything he draws will be used by someone in something.

I was afraid people would feel desincouraged from drawing because the "losing" submissions would be used for nothing, but by how things are going, I see that this will NOT happen.

About the lack of "imagination"... Well... I think there ARE better concepts than mine... There always are  :P
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