Topic: Anyone hear about this new bill (US Law)?

[Kale]

In Reply To #14

The USSR never took things out on Jews. And teh Nazi didn't only do it to Jews, they do it to alot of other people and races, but the Jewish were just the bigger part. But yea, they are overreacting saying that.

However, you'd think there would be more than 6 people with reasonable minds out of 435 people in the House of Representatives, but the vote was, as the site I posted up said (and other sites I've looked at confirmed the vote count) it was 400 somethign to 6 (with I'm guessing some members not present or abstained.

[Thaddeus]

Oh yeah, because the American government has totally started the annihilation of its jewish citizens and packed others into concentration camps.

[mgfcortez]

yeah blame Bush i have a tooth thats bad and hurts like hell.
and its all because of him!!!
i also twisted my foot and got a bad sprang thats him again causing my life to suck!

well anyway bush will be out next year and God help us then is all i can say.
because then we'll bring all the troops home and bend over and wait to get it up our ass's.
i wonder what they'll blow up next,hopefully whatever it is it's filled with some of them weak minded ppl.
who try to make our troops/family's feel like the ppl they lost was for no reason at all.
but oh what the hell i say read some more useless shit from some ppl who don't know anything.
who IMO are the very kind of ppl trying to pass this worthless bill bad talking bush where nobody's looking at there worthless ass's.
 

[Thaddeus]

yeah blame Bush i have a tooth thats bad and hurts like hell.
and its all because of him!!!
i also twisted my foot and got a bad sprang thats him again causing my life to suck!

well anyway bush will be out next year and God help us then is all i can say.
because then we'll bring all the troops home and bend over and wait to get it up our ass's.
i wonder what they'll blow up next,hopefully whatever it is it's filled with some of them weak minded ppl.
who try to make our troops/family's feel like the ppl they lost was for no reason at all.
but oh what the hell i say read some more useless shit from some ppl who don't know anything.
who IMO are the very kind of ppl trying to pass this worthless bill bad talking bush where nobody's looking at there worthless ass's.
 

I didn't vote for him, and I don't think much of him as a leader, but I also think history may ultimately prove him right.

Regardless of what you think about the war in Iraq, we are there to help those people, and we along with our allies have given many of our finest young men and women in doing so, and many more will die before it's all over.

Do I think we should have done it? I don't know. No, perhaps not under the faulty information of weapons of mass destruction. Pre-emptive war should be used only as a last resort.

However, do I think it was the right thing to do? In the overall scheme of things a big part of me thinks so. I think removing Saddam and his sons could potentially be a positive step toward peace in the region, and I think our friends in Israel are a bit more secure now that Saddam is no longer funding Palestinian terror groups to suicide-bomb innocent men, women and children.

There is no denying Saddam sponsored terrorism and was a threat to our national security.

The surge seems to be working. Hopefully things will get better and we can pull out, peacefully, and knowing that we helped the Iraqi people and they can live in a free and democratic state.

[Cypress]

Oh yeah, because the American government has totally started the annihilation of its jewish citizens and packed others into concentration camps.

[The Last Belmont]

Yeah, no shit. Bush will be out next year and the socialist liberals will have to find another excuse to spew their anti-American rhetoric LOL.

I resent that, labeling everybody socialist liberals who don't like him and thinks he has done a lot of wrong and can't wait for the next pres is ignorant. I'm old and i don't like Bush cuz he has no idea what he's doing now he started the war which I think was a step in the right direction and has now totally lost focus, and has just been making one blunder after another. (we should be making real progress towards implementing a democratic government in Iraq for one). And since when is not liking a president anti-american? I still support democracy I just don't like the current figurehead we have right now, if anything that's anti-monarchistic cuz he's proven he has no idea what he's doing and doesn't even know how to say "nuclear" right. Not to mention he's the most liberal republican I've ever seen. He will probably be the deciding factor unless the bill takes  forever to pass, and I'm thinkin' he's not gonna veto something like this unless he has a major change of character.

I think removing Saddam and his sons could potentially be a positive step toward peace in the region, and I think our friends in Israel are a bit more secure now that Saddam is no longer funding Palestinian terror groups to suicide-bomb innocent men, women and children. Hopefully things will get better and we can pull out, peacefully, and knowing that we helped the Iraqi people and they can live in a free and democratic state.

I agree and this is what I want too for iraq to be free and a democracy like Israel.

well anyway bush will be out next year and God help us then is all i can say.
because then we'll bring all the troops home and bend over and wait to get it up our ass's.

Um it's too late now to just up and pull our troops out of there, doesn't matter who is our next president we can't just up and pull everybody out when we're in the process of helping them form a new government, and regardless of what the next president wants to do I doubt Congress would let him at this point.

EDIT: Btw I mean, its not his fuck up yet. If he signs it and passes it, it is. But then again if he knows it'll pass anyway  and decides not to sign it to look good towards others, thats not good either, its just not clear to us if hes trying to dig his own grave or not.

Well if he veto's it which I highly doubt then it wouldn't be his mistake and that'd be another point for him regardless of whether it gets the 3/4's vote or not. It probably won't though, very very few bills get ratified into laws if the president vetos them. 75% of the vote is asking alot especially when some people don't even show up most of the time.

[Thaddeus]

I resent that, labeling everybody socialist liberals who don't like him and thinks he has done a lot of wrong and can't wait for the next pres is ignorant. I'm old and i don't like Bush cuz he has no idea what he's doing now he started the war which I think was a step in the right direction and has now totally lost focus, and has just been making one blunder after another. (we should be making real progress towards implementing a democratic government in Iraq for one). And since when is not liking a president anti-american?

For the record I never was a Bush supporter.

[The Last Belmont]

For the record I never was a Bush supporter. 

I resent having my country, which I love and will always defend, referred to as the new Nazi Germany. The socialist liberal comment was more or less a jab at the delusional ones who equate Americans to Nazis. It wasn't directed at you (unless you think we are Nazis?).

oh no, I think the US is the furthest thing from faschism, my bad misinterpereted your post.

Someone needs to take their ass to Dachau, Auschwitz, and Sobibor to see the remnants of those camps. Let them visit the historical sites and read about the atrocities committed by the Nazis...

I agree that would probably stop all this america is like nazi germany bs.

Well, I never said I think we should up and pull our guys out of there, but we will have to leave at some point in time. I only hope when that time comes it won't be in a defeat, but in success of achieving our goals (a free, stable, democratic Iraq).

Oh that was directed at the guy with the kid drac avatar who said the next pres. is gonna do that, I should have quoted him better.

   

On a related note, my little cousin is scheduled to ship out for Iraq on the 12th. He is military police serving with the INARNG.

This issue weighs heavily on me and my family.

Oh man may he serve a peaceful length of time.

[CVfan13]

Oh man may he serve a peaceful length of time.

I agree, best of luck to him!

[Gecko]

Personally, I'd blame the Illuminati. It seems to fit the theories I had to look up for a school speech recently. There were people who believed that Bush was secretly a key member of the Illuminati, and that the "war on terror" was going to be used to distract us so as to ignore the subtle removal of rights in the U.S. under his presidency.

[ringo]

Congress, not Parliament.

My bad, we call it parliament in Australia.

The USSR never took things out on Jews. And teh Nazi didn't only do it to Jews, they do it to alot of other people and races, but the Jewish were just the bigger part.

It was just a point, I wasn't trying to be elaborate. It's not like I was going to go into how Stalin starved 6 million Ukrainians and so on to crush Ukrainian nationalism. The point is that anybody comparing a civilized western country to some of the worst regimes in history is down right moronic and someone who resorts to that cannot be taken at all seriously.

[Kale]

In Reply To #26

I know, I just wanted to point what I said out >.>

[elbryan42]

I wasn't comparing the US to those countries. The thing is though, that the other countries' leaders (not necessarily Hitler, Stalin, etc) went through the same motions. And these kinds of laws/bills can be used against the people.

Bush is a bastard, and I can see him abusing the law if it gets passed. The US will be that much closer to being a dictatorship.

Whatever the leader chooses to do with such power is up to him. I'm not saying anything about Hitler and Jews. Jeez, people are so damn touchy.

I'm saying that Bush is a very dangerous man.

So, let's say, a year he's out. The bill will be in place, if it's passed. If he doesn't abuse it, the next leader may abuse that power too. And if not that one, then someone eventually will. The USA is fucked.

If it's passed, how the hell are the people going to get rid of it? Any disagreement with the government could be seen as an act of aggression. You break the law.

Arguing and patriotic pride aside, this could mean a lot of problems if this bill is passed. You don't give people that much power and not expect them to abuse it.

[Thaddeus]

This bill hasn't even been passed yet. I think we are all getting ahead of ourselves. Lots of absurd, unconstitutional bills are brought up that always get shot down. Those that manage to slip through are typically undone by the next administration. It's nothing really new in American politics. It happens. Media sensationalism and political groups on both sides love to blow these things way out of proportion.

Bush is history in a matter of months, and the Democrats will have the White House again. And if it's a Republican president, it will probably be Guliani or Romney, both of whom are just as if not more liberal than any of the frontrunner Democratic candidates.

The United States is in no danger of becoming a dictatorship anytime soon.

Nobody is being touchy anymore than some are being paranoid, or sensationalist.

[Kale]

In Reply To #29

Well, Thaddeus, the only reason I brought this one up was because of the lopsided vote in the House.