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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2023, 05:05:16 PM »
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Netflix announced who is voicing what character on their website. It's easy to piece who is what character based on that.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2023, 06:06:23 PM »
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Man they should just call that shit vampire hunters or something and stop any pretense it has anything to do with Castlevania at this point.

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2023, 08:11:09 PM »
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Got super pumped towards the end there when Richter looked like he was about to unleash an item crash. 

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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2023, 08:33:44 PM »
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They seem to be using the plot points from Bloodlines and Aria for this initial season of Nocturne, it appears. Which I guess is okay, except it would make any plans for either of those stories (more probable is Aria, honestly) kinda shot.

I'm less impressed that they are taking sincere liberties with the maidens from Rondo, turning both Annette and Tera into magic users suddenly as if having Maria wasn't enough. Granted, I'm all for straying away from the "damsel in distress" trope, but it seems forced here.

However that pales in comparison to them showing us Richter's mother as this badass whip-wielding female Belmont, FINALLY after we've all been wanting another shot for one, only to kill her off for the sake of injecting trauma into yet another character's story where it wasn't needed. It feels like she's just this disposable character they made up with the purpose of fridging to make poor Richter angsty....because we all loved that when that was done in S3 of the OG series.  >:(


Anyway, those are my thoughts. Animation looks solid and I'll allow some of those liberties slide if this is meant to be a prequel to Rondo's story in season 2 and the story ends up being better than I'm fearing.

I don't think they're taking that much from Aria, actually. If you're referring to the eclipse, there unironically and truly was one in 1792:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_September_16,_1792

"Weather conditions in some areas during the eclipse was unknown. The weather conditions for a part of western Europe including France was mainly cloudy and rainy. At the time, France was experiencing the French Revolution. "


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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2023, 04:43:50 PM »
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I'm going to watch it but it will be trash, we can't get good Castlevania stories in a netshits show. it's already race swapping and making the male lead take a backseat and be weak. and we get some good old Marysue to be the main hero. the only overpowered female I will accept is Maria because she has always been overpowered. sure if they have these females earn their power. that I can accept. but why do they have to bait and switch. Nocturn makes all fans think of SOTN or DXC. we should get that story, and if it's a prequel how about show something like Richters dad teaching him raiding random Vampires to let his son get experience, or shit I even take his mom doing that and telling Richter she's sorry his father died, and she is doing her best to train him. but I can see that this will not lead into DX or SOTN I'm sure. maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. I will watch it and hope it's not a woke pos.
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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2023, 08:03:36 PM »
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Honestly, this image sums up my whole feelings on the whole Netflix shows tbh.
https://i.imgur.com/ZuK8UEl.png

I am honestly bored with how much these video game adaptation don't feel like games they're adapting. The old show was just edgy reddit crap and this one seems to be Richter crying like a damn baby 24/7 within a world that seems like a pretentious version of Blade to be frank. I could be wrong... but I am 99.9% sure I am right. That 0.1% is just in case.
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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2023, 09:20:20 PM »
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As I said on the Discord server, I don't know what I was expecting or looking for, just that this trailer didn't deliver it.

Honestly, I think I may just not engage with this one. The original Netflix series was such an emotional roller coaster for me, and not the fun kind. I don't think I have it in me to do that a second time, so if it's not going to be a faithful adaptation, I'm most likely gonna just check out from the series this time.
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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2023, 09:37:46 PM »
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Honestly, this image sums up my whole feelings on the whole Netflix shows tbh.
https://i.imgur.com/ZuK8UEl.png

I am honestly bored with how much these video game adaptation don't feel like games they're adapting. The old show was just edgy reddit crap and this one seems to be Richter crying like a damn baby 24/7 within a world that seems like a pretentious version of Blade to be frank. I could be wrong... but I am 99.9% sure I am right. That 0.1% is just in case.

Eh...most of the edgy reddit crap in the first one came from Warren Ellis, so with him gone I'm feeling much more optimistic. As for 'Blade,' well, as I've said around here and elsewhere, African slaves did play a significant part in the French Revolution: The fate of the French crown and its nobility might have been completely different if they didn't have to worry about their holdings in places like Guadaloupe or Saint-Domingue (now Haiti). It's not like they're race-swapping for no reason whatsoever, given the time period they arguably have better reasons for the ethnicity changes than they did in the original.

Richter does seem to be 'softer' than he was in Rondo of Blood, but IMO they're going all in on his trauma to help explain how he was vulnerable to Shaft's corruption in SotN. From the trailer I don't think Richter seems weak at all--we see him punching straight through a vampire, blasting several away with his whip, and at the end unleashing an Item Crash. I can overlook a spot of crying lol. Sure, Tera and Annette seem much tougher than they were in the original games, but I don't think they're upstaging Richter.

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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2023, 04:43:21 AM »
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Eh...most of the edgy reddit crap in the first one came from Warren Ellis, so with him gone I'm feeling much more optimistic. As for 'Blade,' well, as I've said around here and elsewhere, African slaves did play a significant part in the French Revolution: The fate of the French crown and its nobility might have been completely different if they didn't have to worry about their holdings in places like Guadaloupe or Saint-Domingue (now Haiti). It's not like they're race-swapping for no reason whatsoever, given the time period they arguably have better reasons for the ethnicity changes than they did in the original.

Richter does seem to be 'softer' than he was in Rondo of Blood, but IMO they're going all in on his trauma to help explain how he was vulnerable to Shaft's corruption in SotN. From the trailer I don't think Richter seems weak at all--we see him punching straight through a vampire, blasting several away with his whip, and at the end unleashing an Item Crash. I can overlook a spot of crying lol. Sure, Tera and Annette seem much tougher than they were in the original games, but I don't think they're upstaging Richter.

The Blade comment was about the whole vampires actually running everything and hiding plane sight as we saw in the trailer, not about race.

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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2023, 07:54:14 AM »
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The Blade comment was about the whole vampires actually running everything and hiding plane sight as we saw in the trailer, not about race.

Ohhhhhhhhh. Haha, forgive me for the misinterpretation, how embarrassing of me XD Even in that case I don't think it's that far from Castlevania, though. In the trailer it seems the vampires are taking *some* pains to hide their presence, such as hiding behind the pretence of a masquerade ball where nobody could see their unmasked faces. In the CV series the vamps must have had some influence even on the mundane world--they're always manipulating cultists like Shaft or the lady from Dawn of Sorrow to revive Dracula, in 1999 the actual military had to launch an operation against Dracula but still somehow keep it from public knowledge. It doesn't seem beyond belief there could be a 'vampire conspiracy' in early modern France IMO :)

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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2023, 03:47:30 PM »
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As with last year's teaser, I can't wait to find out how much of Rondo will go ignored.

(Not because I'm an asshole, but because of experience.)

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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2023, 09:29:32 PM »
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As with last year's teaser, I can't wait to find out how much of Rondo will go ignored.

(Not because I'm an asshole, but because of experience.)

It is the manner and way of the Netflix Tribe.

Didn't even bother with Season 3 of The Witcher for that reason; Season 2 had less than 8 minutes of footage all around that was book accurate AND occurring at the right time in the story. Less "adaptation" and more "an original tale inspired by" at that point.

Though not having Warren Ellis write it almost assures a step up in quality.
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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2023, 03:54:46 AM »
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They seem to be using the plot points from Bloodlines and Aria for this initial season of Nocturne, it appears. Which I guess is okay, except it would make any plans for either of those stories (more probable is Aria, honestly) kinda shot.

I'm less impressed that they are taking sincere liberties with the maidens from Rondo, turning both Annette and Tera into magic users suddenly as if having Maria wasn't enough. Granted, I'm all for straying away from the "damsel in distress" trope, but it seems forced here.

However that pales in comparison to them showing us Richter's mother as this badass whip-wielding female Belmont, FINALLY after we've all been wanting another shot for one, only to kill her off for the sake of injecting trauma into yet another character's story where it wasn't needed. It feels like she's just this disposable character they made up with the purpose of fridging to make poor Richter angsty....because we all loved that when that was done in S3 of the OG series.  >:(


Anyway, those are my thoughts. Animation looks solid and I'll allow some of those liberties slide if this is meant to be a prequel to Rondo's story in season 2 and the story ends up being better than I'm fearing.

With all due respect there is nothing wrong Damsel in Distress trope just like there is nothing wrong with a
badass tough female characters, creators gave us damsel in distress then damsel it is as there is plenty of Badass female characters in Castlevania both good and evil like Shanoa which one of my favourite characters in CV.
So by changing everything it isn't Castlevania anymore.

For me an adaptation is a seeing the characters I love live on screen telling the story of the games in much finer details without peoples agendas shoved down our throats.

Lords of Shadows is a Godsend compared to the trash adaptation we have now at least with los they didn't claim they are being authintic then ruin everything. Los was an original creation so it can be forgiven for alot of things, they also made Victor Belmont which is the most authentic thing ever about los I loved it.

All in all it will fail and I'm not gonna bother because it seems like a bad fanfic.

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2023, 05:01:26 AM »
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So far, it seems that most people aren't too excited about it, well at least from what I saw from people my circles on Twitter and the people on this forum so far. I wonder if the overall opinion has been changing on the adaptations with time, or if it has to do with the popularity of Rondo of Blood/Dracula X Chronicles and many more people playing Symphony of the Night.


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Re: Nocturne release date announced
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2023, 01:06:53 PM »
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People here are a tough crowd to please when it comes to authenticity. Given the age of this site, nearly everyone who's still around is an expert in the intricacies of Castlevania lore going back for decades. Now, we tend to be a mature bunch so small departures from the lore can be excused, but larger ones like Netflix seem prone to get on our nerves.

As you guys can tell I'm personally very excited about the series, despite being a (comparatively) 'old hand' around here as well, but that has as much to do with my personality as anything else--like I implied above I did do a bit of study into Caribbean slavery when I was younger, so seeing it portrayed in a setting that makes a bit of sense (the French Revolution, i.e by extension the early-modern French colonial empire) very much tickles my fancy, enough that I can overlook the departures from Castlevania canon.

I wouldn't say the overall opinion has changed that much--IIRC the first season was well received here, but folks didn't take well to the later ones, especially given some of the, er, edginess. Like I said, we're a mature crowd, but that stuff went over the line for many of us, and I recall having to cool down a few arguments over the subject. If you're seeing the same sentiments on Twitter, I'd say it probably has to do with the popularity of Rondo/Symphony. Symphony is one of those games that had an impact even outside its typical fanbase; even people who don't like Castlevania acknowledge its influence on video game aesthetic history thanks to Yamane and Kojima's work. So a larger audience would be eyeing the new adaptation with a more critical eye. Though I must add that while my personal circle of acquaintances matches your experience, the larger, general-anime-fan-audience I've seen on Twitter seems to be unabashedly enthusiastic in their reaction to the trailer.

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