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Title: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on January 01, 2012, 09:45:41 PM
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http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/CastlevaniaLOS/status/153575003521167360

We're all very hungry for some Castlevania news, looks like this is our first real piece of news regarding the series for 2012.

Lords of Shadow sequel inbound for sometime this year. At least it gives us something to talk about again.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Gecko on January 01, 2012, 09:51:01 PM
I take it that the tweet was edited. Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Kingshango on January 01, 2012, 09:52:27 PM
Can't wait, that's all im saying for now.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on January 01, 2012, 09:54:56 PM
I take it that the tweet was edited. Or am I missing something?
No, the tweet is there. For some reason the forum won't allow it to become a complete url.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on January 01, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
You could've just um, y'know, linked the article instead. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/330256/features/24-games-that-will-define-gaming-in-2012-part-1/?page=5)
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: JR on January 01, 2012, 10:16:52 PM
Looking forward to it. I'm just hoping there's a Belmont protagonist and a (demon) castle for a hopefully pure evil Gabe Dracula to rule from. Unless the article is to be taken at face value, and this game does indeed continue exactly where LoS' epilogue ended.

I really just hope Mercury Steam gives more CV flavor to this one. Even if it's just a token gesture, like adding some medusa heads or something.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: A-Yty on January 01, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Even if it's just a token gesture, like adding some medusa heads or something.

That's all they did in LoS. They're gonna have to do better this time around.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: JR on January 02, 2012, 01:18:24 AM
That's all they did in LoS. They're gonna have to do better this time around.

I didn't really count their odd name-dropping from the first game. What I mean is that I hope to see more series staples, like recognizable enemies, only if it's just a few.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Chernabogue on January 02, 2012, 01:38:06 AM
Can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 02, 2012, 06:18:06 AM
Cue Ahasverus with the, "OMG!!!! FUCKIN YEAH! Cox RULEZ! Suck it, IGA!!!!" rant attack!
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Kingshango on January 02, 2012, 06:30:16 AM
Oh I just remembered that LOS2 is using a new engine. Im curious to see what it will look like compared to the old one.


And if it runs over 24 fps this time around. :P
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Keldor on January 02, 2012, 08:58:51 AM
I dont care what we get as long as we get something.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on January 02, 2012, 09:06:17 AM

I didn't really count their odd name-dropping from the first game. What I mean is that I hope to see more series staples, like recognizable enemies, only if it's just a few.
LoS was full of old enemies. (Not counting bosses like Cornell, Carmilla, and Brauner/Olrox)
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Maedhros on January 02, 2012, 10:06:20 AM
First time I get some news of Castlevania and says "Do not want"...

Actually, I said that to Pachislot series too...
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: A-Yty on January 02, 2012, 10:36:50 AM
LoS was full of old enemies. (Not counting bosses like Cornell, Carmilla, and Brauner/Olrox)

Such as..? I'd hardly take into consideration the most generic ones (wolves, skeletons etc.). The completely Castlevania ones like Medusa heads and Flea men I don't remember seeing.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: thernz on January 02, 2012, 10:49:48 AM
Well it at least shares the same nondescript, robed wraiths from Lament!
Vassago and Swordmaster.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on January 02, 2012, 10:53:29 AM
or bone pillars, or bats (the ones that just "fly by" don't count), or skeleton dragons, mermen, etc. but we've already discussed that topic to death, so to speak.


I hope the new engine will show even shinier graphics in the rain scenes and
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Kingshango on January 02, 2012, 11:22:52 AM
Speaking of that new engine, a poster on Neogaf posted some info about it.

Now I know what your thinking "A random post on a internet forum isn't much to go on."  but since this is only lead of info about the game im willing to accept all possible rumors with Texas sized grains of salt until the game is shown.

Originally Posted by sara_is_anxious:  "I don't have a source but trust me this time around the programmers are using the surprisingly versatile and powerful satellite processors of the Cell CPU to help the rendering engine, we'll have bigger maps, better frame rates and improved image quality with better assets and all with even less loading or none at all for the most part (background caching and installing to the HDD where possible) and so far it's looking good, as for the 360 version it is going rather well thanks to its multi-core architecture as well, the size of the DVD is the only concern as when you want to revisit one place that you played earlier you might need to change discs again."
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: beingthehero on January 02, 2012, 11:24:06 AM
Meh. I'll just wait for the next handheld CV.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Munchy on January 02, 2012, 03:50:20 PM
the only concern as when you want to revisit one place that you played earlier you might need to change discs again."

God dammit.

You'd think there would be some way around this with installation of the game, but NOOOOO.

Oh well. I just hope they took some gameplay complaints to heart. (Also Hitoshi Sakimoto composing for the game wouldn't hurt.)
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 02, 2012, 04:53:06 PM
Well, I'm interested to see what it's like.  Where does it pick up?  And from whose point of view are we playing?  We still don't know who the protagonist is going to be.  It could be Gabriel as a vampire for all we know. 

And in the event we actually fight Gabriel, I wonder how he will fight.  I'm hoping for a more melee based opponent over the old teleport and fireball routine.  A fast paced battle against an opponent who uses both melee attacks and wields magic.  Now that is what I call a boss battle!!!  We've had those before against other bosses, but never against the Dracula character.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on January 02, 2012, 08:50:00 PM
All I hope is we DON'T have to switch discs again. That is something which really kills the mood and makes me lose interest in playing. A game where you can revisit older areas really can NOT have 2 discs like that. Star Ocean made you switch to a second disc in 4, but you never had to go back to disk 1 (if I remember right) since you still could revisit all the old locations on Disc 2.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Vampire Killer on January 03, 2012, 12:54:46 AM
1) Why do people have such a raging boner for Medusa Heads? They're an annoying as hell enemy, and I can't imagine them being done even remotely well in 3D. It's almost like if LoS2 has more Cv elements than the previous one, but doesn't have medusa heads, half the people on this forum will flip out and say it sucks and isn't Cv enough for that sole reason. Just let them go already, Cv is more than just medusa heads.

2) I'm obviously REALLY stoked for this. If LoS2 actually comes out this year (even if by next Christmas) that would be awesome!!

3) The 2 disc thing is annoying for when going back to previous areas, but that's the price of having a 360, unless they allow for loading of one of the discs to the HDD. Even so, it won't effect my opinion of the game (360 owner)

4) Even though I'd love another Belmont-like character, I doubt that will happen unless it's done as a quasi intro/backstory to what took place between Gabe becoming Dracula and Gabe in the Epilogue. If so, it would probably only the first stage, with possibly the possibility to play as the Belmont character throughout the regular game after having beaten it as Gabula. I say this because Cox mentioned that he always wanted to make a game staring Alucard. But since that would be lame in this story line, that means the next best thing is just playing as Gabula with reduced powers (which appears to be his current state in the Epilogue), thus making him play like Alucard in spirit. Point being, LoS1 was the Belmont-like game, with LoS2 being the Alucard-like game.

5) I don't think the haters need worry about the enemy roster this time around. Game will probably take place in the Castle, so plenty of classic Cv enemies will be present (as long as they can be made to work well in 3D)

6) While I actually loved the music in LoS, I am hoping more of the classic Cv tunes in orchestrated form.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: JR on January 03, 2012, 01:07:30 AM
1) Why do people have such a raging boner for Medusa Heads? They're an annoying as hell enemy, and I can't imagine them being done even remotely well in 3D. It's almost like if LoS2 has more Cv elements than the previous one, but doesn't have medusa heads, half the people on this forum will flip out and say it sucks and isn't Cv enough for that sole reason. Just let them go already, Cv is more than just medusa heads.


No, no...I just used them as an example...first enemy that popped in my head that every CV has and LoS lacked. Jeez.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Vampire Killer on January 03, 2012, 01:20:17 AM
No, no...I just used them as an example...first enemy that popped in my head that every CV has and LoS lacked. Jeez.

Not picking on you inparticular, just that I've seen a lot of people mention that particular enemy.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: JR on January 03, 2012, 01:35:08 AM
Ah...my bad.

Hey...I just thought of something. Even though everything seems to point to Gabe being the protagonist of LoS2, what if they had the player alternate between playing as Gabe and playing as a Belmont throughout the game? Or even choosing between the two at the beginning of the game? Not saying that would happen (and I'm definitely not saying a Belmont will even be in this game at all), but I think that would be potentially cool if they did that. Especially if it dictated what the endgame fight would be...Belmont vs. Dracula, Dracula vs. Satan, or even playing as Gabe against a Belmont.

I dunno...I'd love to see it play out in three different factions like that, although I still really don't like the inclusion of Satan at all.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Foffy on January 03, 2012, 02:22:57 AM
Meh. I'll just wait for the next handheld CV.

..Wasn't MecurySteam working on a CV prototype for 3DS?

You can't get away from them. I have a feeling they're the main developers now.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Nagumo on January 03, 2012, 02:31:03 AM
All we know is that they were really interested in the system. But there is certainly a possibility that you're right. 
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: C Belmont on January 03, 2012, 03:54:00 AM
Bah! Cox has both hinted at a sequel and at the same time said that it remains to be seen whether they will actually get to finish their little perversion of Castlevanias mythology, he's probably just trying to build up enough hype to convince Konami to let him release a sequel that has even less in common with Castlevania than their first game.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Munchy on January 03, 2012, 04:42:28 AM
..Wasn't MecurySteam working on a CV prototype for 3DS?

You can't get away from them. I have a feeling they're the main developers now.

If it's a 3D game it'd be much better on 360/PS3.

If it's on the other hand a 2.5D game, oh muh gah that'd be amazing and perhaps tipping my scale in favor of getting a 3DS.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Maedhros on January 03, 2012, 07:44:50 AM
Bah! Cox has both hinted at a sequel and at the same time said that it remains to be seen whether they will actually get to finish their little perversion of Castlevanias mythology, he's probably just trying to build up enough hype to convince Konami to let him release a sequel that has even less in common with Castlevania than their first game.
It DID well, so I don't think he needs to build hype to convince anyone... Konami will probably accept the project.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on January 03, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
No, no...I just used them as an example...first enemy that popped in my head that every CV has and LoS lacked. Jeez.
LoI didnt have them, (just the Medusa boss)

And I think CoD didnt have it either.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Nagumo on January 03, 2012, 10:16:39 AM
I was kind of disappointed they weren't in it, because Cox said they would, and I was wondering how they would pull that off.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on January 03, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
I was kind of disappointed they weren't in it, because Cox said they would, and I was wondering how they would pull that off.
He said Medusa head like enemies, they ended up being those zombies that tossed their heads at you and flew around.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Nagumo on January 03, 2012, 11:56:19 AM
I don't remember those.  :-\
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: JR on January 03, 2012, 12:01:29 PM
LoI didnt have them, (just the Medusa boss)

And I think CoD didnt have it either.

I wasn't speaking in an absolute literal sense when I said every CV game has them. Haunted Castle doesn't have them either, among others.
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Post by: knightmere on January 03, 2012, 12:26:46 PM
I hope they bring some classic CV tunes back into the mix.  LoS soundtrack was rather bland.  I wanna hear some vampire killer, bloody tears, beginning etc.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: A-Yty on January 03, 2012, 12:35:15 PM
No, no...I just used them as an example...first enemy that popped in my head that every CV has and LoS lacked. Jeez.

Everyone did. That tirade was insane, IMO. Medusa Heads are just an excellent example of an original CV enemy.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on January 03, 2012, 12:53:58 PM
I liked the music box vampire killer. Too bad it wasnt on the soundtrack.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Vampire Killer on January 03, 2012, 01:30:40 PM
Hey...I just thought of something. Even though everything seems to point to Gabe being the protagonist of LoS2, what if they had the player alternate between playing as Gabe and playing as a Belmont throughout the game? Or even choosing between the two at the beginning of the game? Not saying that would happen (and I'm definitely not saying a Belmont will even be in this game at all), but I think that would be potentially cool if they did that. Especially if it dictated what the endgame fight would be...Belmont vs. Dracula, Dracula vs. Satan, or even playing as Gabe against a Belmont.

I dunno...I'd love to see it play out in three different factions like that, although I still really don't like the inclusion of Satan at all.

That too is a possibility. Perhaps that could be how Zobek finally "kills" Gabe, by arming the Belmont character with a holy weapon capable of doing so. So after satan's defeat, there would be one last boss fight.

Personally, I loved satan's inclusion. To me it made sense, considering the games Christian worldview background setting.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: beingthehero on January 03, 2012, 02:29:27 PM
Well, I'm not opposed to MercurySteam making a handheld CV. It's just that I'm already quite bored with the generic swords n' sorcery vibe. It just doesn't work for Castlevania, any more than the quasi-anime mood of the latter-day handheld CVs (though OoE was a step in the right direction). I just yearn for something that has a more 'vampiric' mood to it a la Bloodlines or SCIV.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 03, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Well, I'm not opposed to MercurySteam making a handheld CV. It's just that I'm already quite bored with the generic swords n' sorcery vibe. It just doesn't work for Castlevania, any more than the quasi-anime mood of the latter-day handheld CVs (though OoE was a step in the right direction). I just yearn for something that has a more 'vampiric' mood to it a la Bloodlines or SCIV.
I think that's what I actually liked about the original series. It didn't feel like it was set in "Ye Average Olde Medieval Fantasy" world. It's spirit(time period was irrelevent, considering CV, as a whole, pretty much oozed the "feel", despite being set in middle ages or the near future), was truly unique. It was like the "Monster Mash" of video games. That was unique in itself. To see a series that had it's own general uniqueness become, well, generic modern medieval fantasy, it's kinda like selling your soul to become one of the Stepford Wives. Though I guess it comes with popularity. Do you want to be unique and appeal to a niche market, or do you wanna be as mainstream as possible, and appeal to a mainstream market?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: JR on January 03, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
I know this sounds kind of crude and oversimplified, but I kind of wished LoS was more haunted house and less middle earth. I hope something closer to the old atmosphere can be done in the sequel, especially since it seems likely it'll be set in present day. I believe the game can still be successful while including the type of environments the series has always been known for. It's just a matter of whether or not MS chooses to do so, I think.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Kingshango on January 03, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
The sequel should match the atmosphere of the original tech demo they made, It looked more like Castlevania than the majority of LOS did, why they ditched that for a middle Earth like setting is beyond me.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 03, 2012, 08:53:51 PM
That's kinda like why I'd actually like to see a LoS sequel set in the 1800s. They'll be FORCED to ditch the stereotypical medieval fantasy and go a little towards reclaiming that "spooky" feel by adopting the setting of Stoker's Dracula, as well as other 19th century horror tales. I don't wanna see more more Ye Olde CVs with goblins and and such. I think I've said this elsewhere, but as it is, I don't like my medieval fantasy mixed with CV. I was skeptical a bit when IGA set LoI so far in the past, that he was going to go all Medieval Times with the series. Those, the best thing he did with LoI was keep the general CV feel, despite it being set during the Crusades. If I wanted Ye Olde adventures with dragons and Wraithkings, I'd play Skyrim or any other game REALLY rooted in medieval fantasy. I don't play CV games for that. ;D

I think some things could've done a world of difference. Next game, limit the day, or just kill it altogether. Perpetual night. LoS was too sunlit. For the CV series, that's almost ALIEN!!
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 03, 2012, 09:14:28 PM
What I would like to see is something that was done I remember seeing in CV2 and CV64/LoD.  And that is have a continuous clock going showing the passing hours in the game and have the game reflect those times of day.  For example dawn would be at 6am and as the hours pass the sun would move across the sky until sunset and then the moon will come out and move across the sky until dawn.  The enemies you face would be determined by the area and time of day.  For example, noctunal enemies would only appear during night hours and in places that sunlight doesn't reach.  Plus, like in CV2, enemies that are out during both day and night get a buff during nighttime hours.

I think this is something that should have been used more often and perfected in the series.  It prevents the environment from becoming stale and forces you to adjust to changes as time passes.  This assumes that the protagonist is a good guy.  Then again, if we are as Gabriel as a vampire, this idea could be applied to him in that he would be weaker during  the day and possibly take damage if he wonders into direct sunlight.  This would add a degree of difficulty that would require skill to overcome.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on January 03, 2012, 11:43:05 PM
Well, both Crow's Pass(Malphas' tower specifically) and the Land of Vampires in LoS showed that Cox and Co. are certainly capable of AMAZING gothic Castlevania imagery. The inside of the castle was a tad bit too icy for my tastes, but it still rocked. And I dug the snowyness nonetheless. Heres hoping the Sequel will have more of that. I liked LoS for what it was. And I loved the land of the Lycans, but I would certainly welcome more Gothic atmosphere.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on January 04, 2012, 12:42:22 PM
I don't remember those.  :-\
These guys.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100820202954%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F2%2F27%2FHeadlessBurrowers.jpg%2F271px-HeadlessBurrowers.jpg&hash=55bda6e866d10fb37c2c4545d2e1d537)

If I remember correctly they would burrow underground and grab your legs holding you down and their heads would fly around and hit you.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 04, 2012, 02:40:15 PM
These guys.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100820202954%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F2%2F27%2FHeadlessBurrowers.jpg%2F271px-HeadlessBurrowers.jpg&hash=55bda6e866d10fb37c2c4545d2e1d537)

If I remember correctly they would burrow underground and grab your legs holding you down and their heads would fly around and hit you.
Yes.  They would pop up from the ground, take their heads off which would fly at you.  Once they are headless, they burrow underground again and pop up to grab you when you least expect it.  They are always in groups.

Well, both Crow's Pass(Malphas' tower specifically) and the Land of Vampires in LoS showed that Cox and Co. are certainly capable of AMAZING gothic Castlevania imagery. The inside of the castle was a tad bit too icy for my tastes, but it still rocked. And I dug the snowyness nonetheless. Heres hoping the Sequel will have more of that. I liked LoS for what it was. And I loved the land of the Lycans, but I would certainly welcome more Gothic atmosphere.
I agree with this.  I don't like how most of the castle was frozen. Since when is the castle in CV in a place with an endless winter?  It doesn't look good IMO.  The Crow's pass (the two stages in chapter 4) just oozed CV.  It's not surprising that those are my favorite stages of the game.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Sumac on January 04, 2012, 03:08:02 PM
Quote
It's spirit(time period was irrelevent, considering CV, as a whole, pretty much oozed the "feel", despite being set in middle ages or the near future),
On note: the fact that it was future was barely presented in AOS / DOS. It was basically the same annoying castle as always and in DOS it had bland design. The only things form the future were some weapons and teleports in DOS.
And pretty many Castlevania games had sunlit / daylight locations. So, it's not "deal-breaker" for me.
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Post by: beingthehero on January 04, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
I don't know if I can think of a castle as annoying since

you know

the game is called Castlevania
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Post by: JR on January 04, 2012, 07:21:48 PM
^^^Totally agree. That comment almost sounded like flamebait.


Back to LoS, I think the castle was my favorite part of the game. Although I kinda agree with you guys who said the snow seemed kind of weird, I really liked the look and feel of the castle overall. Though it would've been cool to see some more supernatural oddities like in some of the other games.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on January 04, 2012, 08:37:52 PM
I agree with this.  I don't like how most of the castle was frozen. Since when is the castle in CV in a place with an endless winter?  It doesn't look good IMO.  The Crow's pass (the two stages in chapter 4) just oozed CV.  It's not surprising that those are my favorite stages of the game.

I didn't mind the perpetual Winter and the snow, just the way that the entire castle was filled with Ice.

Also, the Abbey interiors felt very much traditional Castlevania. like a Castlevania Library
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Post by: Kingshango on January 04, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
I hope Gabriel/Dracula did the smart thing and used his new dark powers to relocate the entire castle to a warmer place, like at the edge of a high cliff near a lake like it's always been convieniently placed.
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Post by: Munchy on January 04, 2012, 10:13:16 PM
These guys.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100820202954%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F2%2F27%2FHeadlessBurrowers.jpg%2F271px-HeadlessBurrowers.jpg&hash=55bda6e866d10fb37c2c4545d2e1d537)

If I remember correctly they would burrow underground and grab your legs holding you down and their heads would fly around and hit you.

I cheered aloud when these guys first popped up. MORE OF THIS CREEPINESS PLZ

That's kinda like why I'd actually like to see a LoS sequel set in the 1800s. They'll be FORCED to ditch the stereotypical medieval fantasy and go a little towards reclaiming that "spooky" feel by adopting the setting of Stoker's Dracula, as well as other 19th century horror tales.

Haha, that's what you think! "It was an average day in 1800s Transylvania like any other... until suddenly... a multidimensional portal pops up, swarming the countryside with ogres, goblins, elves, wargs, bald space marines, and most importantly, trolls! Their mysterious leader, the Goblin King Ugh-Thar, claims the land as his own, spreading his grey, brown, and green misery throughout the besieged land."

I think some things could've done a world of difference. Next game, limit the day, or just kill it altogether. Perpetual night. LoS was too sunlit. For the CV series, that's almost ALIEN!!

Actually, if they could make it non-linear with a day/night system like Simon's Quest, especially with those graphics, that would be amazing.
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Post by: Sumac on January 05, 2012, 07:39:16 AM
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I don't know if I can think of a castle as annoying since
you know
the game is called Castlevania
And that's why every single game should have Castle and nothing beside it... :rollseyes:
Open your mind!! Castlevania could be much more than about frigging Castle all the time. Castle should be the part of the game in some capacity, but its not neccesary that it should be the centerpiece of the game every single time.
Leaving traditions sometimes is a good thing.

Of course old fans (or people who consider themselves "TruE / HRadcore fans" probably will call this opinion a flamebait, because they couldn't accept that glorious tradition could be broken (though it was broken already in the second game in the series)).  :)
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Post by: Nagumo on January 05, 2012, 07:51:16 AM
I think you should stop arguing from the standpoint that everything that is different is not accepted by fans who don't like where the series is currently heading, and instead accept that they don't like it because they think it doesn't work rather than because it's different. If something different and you don't like you obviously don't like it because you think it sucks, not because it is different. That entire line of reasoning doesn't make sense. It's like your only arguing gimmick and it's god-awful.                     
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Post by: beingthehero on January 05, 2012, 08:16:50 AM
I want to hradcore, but my mom won't let me.
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Post by: thernz on January 05, 2012, 08:22:57 AM
Yeah, I wish Lords didn't have a castle, to be honest. Wow, this is a garden and this is a kitchen. You can't trick me, Konami. It's still a goddamn' medieval castle. I think Lords 2 should ditch the castle and get more levels inspired by Rygar. Or at least the Lords Epilogue Game Castle should feature a shopping mall with zombies. That'd be modern. It'll be symbolic like Carina in Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey. Or I guess, we should have the modern equivalent of a castle. Gabriel can sit on office chairs and stuff in an underground bunker like in those James Bands movies.
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Post by: crisis on January 05, 2012, 09:26:19 AM
well I think they should keep it simple & call the sequel "Castlevania 2: Gabriel's Quest," and have it be a mirror version of that game #winning

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I want to hradcore, but my mom won't let me.

LOL
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 05, 2012, 10:54:49 AM
Yeah, I wish Lords didn't have a castle, to be honest. Wow, this is a garden and this is a kitchen. You can't trick me, Konami. It's still a goddamn' medieval castle. I think Lords 2 should ditch the castle and get more levels inspired by Rygar. Or at least the Lords Epilogue Game Castle should feature a shopping mall with zombies. That'd be modern. It'll be symbolic like Carina in Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey. Or I guess, we should have the modern equivalent of a castle. Gabriel can sit on office chairs and stuff in an underground bunker like in those James Bands movies.
Or we could place the antagonist somewhere were there is real evil today.  Oh say in a penthouse and instead of being an count, make him the most evil think of modern times, either a American Republican politician or a chief executive in a major global corporation.

Just kidding.  But in all seriousness, things need to change sooner or later.  If something stays the same for too long, it gets stale and uninteresting.  Change can be good and I think that Konami and Mercury Stream are trying to reimagine the series and find what works for a new generation of gamers.  We just need to keep an open mind.
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Post by: Chernabogue on January 05, 2012, 11:01:25 AM
Putting Dracula in a church in a city (was it in St Patrick, NY?) was a great and fresh idea.

I'd be happy to see the real Castlevania show up at some point too.

Also, LoS may had a large panel of non-CV monsters (LotR monsters, etc. - you say it) but it may be because the real castle (Castlevania) and Dracula aren't existing yet. Remember: when Dracula rises, his castle and creatures rise with him. So as long as Gabriel isn't Dracula, CV creatures may be hiding in the dark depths, waiting for the master of evil to show up.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 05, 2012, 11:55:54 AM
Also, the game takes place during the "end of days" when creatures that had existed before have died off so I dont think will be seeing big ogres, trolls and goblins in the next game(unless the were re-animated). Plus with the Lords of Shadow gone the monsters that took over thoes area's needed a new master and a place to crash and Dracula took them in and made the old castle his HQ.
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Post by: crisis on January 05, 2012, 12:09:19 PM
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Also, the game takes place during the "end of days"

lol what


oh yeah, you mean that "necromantic wars" nonsense they were trying to put on us


(cue the "well that part of the story seemed verrry interesting me am wonder what mercurysteam has in store blahblahblargblarf" talk)
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Post by: Kingshango on January 05, 2012, 12:16:01 PM
lol what


oh yeah, you mean that "necromantic wars" nonsense they were trying to put on us


(cue the "well that part of the story seemed verrry interesting me am wonder what mercurysteam has in store blahblahblargblarf" talk)

It's on the back of the box, it's the very first line at the top I just checked cause I wasn't sure..
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Post by: Nagumo on January 05, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
They really shouldn't have put in that necromantic wars nonsense.       
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 05, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
I think you should stop arguing from the standpoint that everything that is different is not accepted by fans who don't like where the series is currently heading, and instead accept that they don't like it because they think it doesn't work rather than because it's different. If something different and you don't like you obviously don't like it because you think it sucks, not because it is different. That entire line of reasoning doesn't make sense. It's like your only arguing gimmick and it's god-awful.                   
Sadly, it's a popular arguing gimick. You see it being used whenever white knigts for "change" go gallantly flaunting their swords and gallop in whenever someone dislikes something about anything. It always bothered me that that "card" is played way too many times than it HAS to be. What bothers me more is how black and white such people paint the situation. You like it, then you are "FOR CHANGE", you dislike it, you are "AGAINST CHANGE". There's no in-between. Either you are FOR or AGAINST. Either you are WITH US or AGAINST US. It's a horrible, close-minded way of thinking, which is ironic considering how those FOR change claim to be open-minded, while those "against" are close-minded. But, being so willing to label and put someone in a box couldn't be MORE close-minded in itself.

That being said, I still think LoS, had too much sunlight. And while other CV games featured day time, I don't think it was at the magnitude of LoS. Of course, the idea of using a day-night cycle system is interesting. I agree that it IS something that should've been implemented into the series decades ago.
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Post by: beingthehero on January 05, 2012, 01:09:03 PM
I hope "Castlevania" turns out to be the headquarters of Goldman Sachs.

Fun fact: Hero turning into Dracula and having castlevania in New York was the twist ending of the leaked-and-lol'd-at Castlevania movie script.

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In a twist ending that I’m sure Anderson thought ingenious, we flash forward to present day Transylvania, where the once mighty castle has become a tourist attraction, apparently abandoned.  But then we transition to present day Manhattan, where we learn that Simon was not quick enough to kill Dracul’a before Aurica’s transformation was complete, and she has now inherited Dracul’a’s vampiric nature and power, constructing a new, modern Castlevania in New York to continue her wait for the return of her beloved: Simon Belmont.

http://www.cc2konline.com/movies/script-reviews/1327-paul-w-s-andersons-castlevania (http://www.cc2konline.com/movies/script-reviews/1327-paul-w-s-andersons-castlevania)

Yeah it's less ingenious and many times dumber in Lords.
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Post by: JR on January 05, 2012, 01:18:02 PM
I'm kind of hoping it's in a double-decker McDonalds this time. That way it would have a set of stairs to appease all the hradcore guys.
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Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on January 05, 2012, 01:42:48 PM
david sux is the main developer now i'm afraid akumajo dracula will never come back again
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Post by: meanguyjones on January 05, 2012, 01:56:22 PM
david sux is the main developer now i'm afraid akumajo dracula will never come back again

david sux wow you showed him a thing or two about ballroom dancing
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Post by: Kingshango on January 05, 2012, 02:05:28 PM
david sux is the main developer now i'm afraid akumajo dracula will never come back again

That's great, tell us more.
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Post by: Nagumo on January 05, 2012, 02:10:30 PM
david sux wow you showed him a thing or two about ballroom dancing

You mad.
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Post by: meanguyjones on January 05, 2012, 02:20:50 PM
You mad.


yes i'm beside myself with anger at him being too stupid to realize david coxs name doesnt need to be changed to sux to be made fun of


howd u know?!?
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Post by: Nagumo on January 05, 2012, 02:26:34 PM
before 

 :'(

after setting things straight

 8)

 

 
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Post by: meanguyjones on January 05, 2012, 02:34:22 PM
<d@|:O(|)--->---<
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Post by: Nagumo on January 05, 2012, 02:36:36 PM
You're the best.
 
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on January 05, 2012, 02:50:01 PM
<d@|:O(|)--->---<

What is this nonsense!?  You're already being watched, Meanguyjones, for your shenanigans in the past.
Curb with the irrelevant responses, as they are seen as either spam or flamebait.
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Post by: meanguyjones on January 05, 2012, 03:01:37 PM
What is this nonsense!?  You're already being watched, Meanguyjones, for your shenanigans in the past.
Curb with the irrelevant responses, as they are seen as either spam or flamebait.

My bad, I should have put some random threat to Konami or maybe even call David Cox a shithead in that post.

Keep up the good work, champ
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Post by: Flame on January 05, 2012, 03:12:12 PM
My impending ban senses are tingling...
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Post by: Kingshango on January 05, 2012, 03:23:16 PM
My bad, I should have put some random threat to Konami or maybe even call David Cox a shithead in that post.

Keep up the good work, champ

Ohhhhh you shouldn't have done that. *Grabs unbrella*
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Post by: meanguyjones on January 05, 2012, 03:29:29 PM
Ohhhhh you shouldn't have done that. *Grabs unbrella*

Why not? My previous "shenanigans" include saying that its embarassing to watch people act like 13 year olds and demand games tailored to their specifications OR ELSE from a major company. Oops.

I guess I should have shot for a higher post count before I tried to join in on the rampant pissing contests going on here. I'll do my best next time~
"
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Post by: crisis on January 05, 2012, 03:44:19 PM
Then why do you keep coming back to post on this forum if we're so immature? Pot calling the kettle black, perhaps?

Jorge, tell thisguyjones to go kick rocks.
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Post by: meanguyjones on January 05, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
to watch cecil-kains wild and crazy antics what else

don't you have a collection you should be burning because konami hurt your feelers or something pal
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Post by: crisis on January 05, 2012, 04:32:38 PM
I can't becuz i'll lose my fancy awards i've worked so hard to get, idiot!

Despite how much we pick on MercurySteam's decisions, at least the concept art of modern Dracula had me intrigued a little bit (but what a super-lame setting, sheesh)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled-11.png&hash=14ea0e3f8448b10f109755ad94d197b2)


f-for some reason none of you buttheads uploaded the other other concept art on the web cuz i can't find it anywhere >:(  I'll take a screenshot of it & upload it myself to see what you guys think!

edit: nvm, found it  :D

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sickosonparade.com%2Fcontent%2Fcvshrine%2FOther%2Flose%2Ftitle.png&hash=88b1aca855b9827f0186b9ba835667c0)

^now this is creepy, exactly what I was expecting to be the final boss. C'mon, guys..
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Post by: jestercolony on January 05, 2012, 04:48:30 PM
I'm honestly actually looking forward to seeing what they have in store for this release. The portion of the church in modern day NY is kinda obvious, especially if you've grown up with the or played the older titles of the series. It's basically in a sense a nod because in most cases a cult that worships Dracula always seems resurrected in a church. Think about it like this... Why is it sealed off and why is he there? The church in that place is hiding him, protecting their master and all that jazz.

 But for me personally? It better not take place in modern times and should continue after the DLC. And why do people continue to scream the LOTR stuff towards LoS? I honestly don't see it. Is it the enemies or the land scaping design before things get interesting or what? Maybe I'm just missing something but it doesn't really scream LOTR to me. O.o
 
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 05, 2012, 05:45:47 PM
to watch cecil-kains wild and crazy antics what else

don't you have a collection you should be burning because konami hurt your feelers or something pal

Wow.

You can just smell the flamebait in the air.....

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Post by: Kingshango on January 05, 2012, 05:49:22 PM
I can't becuz i'll lose my fancy awards i've worked so hard to get, idiot!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FUntitled-11.png&hash=14ea0e3f8448b10f109755ad94d197b2)

Heh, Dracula wearing khackies but hey at least we know he has hell hounds at his disposal, should have used them on Zobek.


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edit: nvm, found it  :D

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sickosonparade.com%2Fcontent%2Fcvshrine%2FOther%2Flose%2Ftitle.png&hash=88b1aca855b9827f0186b9ba835667c0)

^now this is creepy, exactly what I was expecting to be the final boss. C'mon, guys..

That by far my favorite piece of artwork in the game, it's creepy and menacing, now I wanna see THAT Dracula in the next game, not the death seeker one in the epilouge.
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Post by: Tanatra on January 05, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
The portion of the church in modern day NY is kinda obvious,

I really don't think the epilogue is set in NYC. If you look closely at some of the neon signs, they aren't in English.
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Post by: Dremn on January 05, 2012, 10:13:32 PM
I personally loved the ending. I just hated how it was the only scene in the entire game that felt and breathed like the Castlevania I've grown to love.

Sadly, I'm willing to give them another shot with this sequel, I'm just hoping we take on the role of a new Belmont warrior, and most of the issues I've had with LoS to be reprimanded, such as the QTE's, the excessively long boss fights, the bestiary, and the soundtrack. I'm not expecting GUITARS AND HARDCORE J POP whatever, but it wouldn't hurt to hear some organs in the audio direction or, fine, I'll say it, Bloody Tears somewhere.

I'm also expecting to be disappointed, the story is just too silly for me to take seriously now. The DLC completely ruined it, it was not a fitting origin for Dracula at all.
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Post by: Kingshango on January 05, 2012, 11:28:58 PM
I too am looking forward to the sequel but  I doubt  all  of the issues will be adressed (QTEs are still gonna be in unfortunately) but I would like to see the return of the other traditional sub weapons(axe's,boomerang stopwatch etc).
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Vampire Killer on January 06, 2012, 01:02:26 AM
Sadly, I'm willing to give them another shot with this sequel, I'm just hoping we take on the role of a new Belmont warrior, and most of the issues I've had with LoS to be reprimanded, such as the QTE's

I loved the ending too. I saw more Cv'ness throughout the game though, not just in the ending.

And haters be damned, but I actually liked the music a lot too.

The QTE's wouldn't bother me, as long as they were done more like Resident Evil 4, integrated into the action in the more fluid and dynamic way. For the best of both worlds, the player should be allowed to turn them off if desired.
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Post by: Nagumo on January 06, 2012, 01:25:54 AM
In case nobody noticed ages ago:

meanguyjones = corneliab
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Neobelmont on January 06, 2012, 01:29:41 AM
The QTE's wouldn't bother me, as long as they were done more like Resident Evil 4, integrated into the action in the more fluid and dynamic way. For the best of both worlds, the player should be allowed to turn them off if desired.

From what I heard Ninja Gaiden 3 has that option for qte's
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Successor The Cruel on January 06, 2012, 02:34:27 AM
I think a Lords of Shadow sequel is a terrible idea.

I admit I am not everywhere at once, but these supposed new Castlevania fans of Lords of Shadow either don't exist, or have no internet presence, which, in this day and age, would be very strange. The biggest things I've seen LoS do are push long time fans away and divide the fanbase. It just doesn't seem worth it to me to pursue this course. If Lords of Shadow was pushing record breaking numbers and had legions of devout fans, I could understand it, but it's my belief that it did too much harm and not enough good to continue.
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Post by: GummiCandyful on January 06, 2012, 02:57:04 AM
I personally loved the ending. I just hated how it was the only scene in the entire game that felt and breathed like the Castlevania I've grown to love.

Sadly, I'm willing to give them another shot with this sequel, I'm just hoping we take on the role of a new Belmont warrior, and most of the issues I've had with LoS to be reprimanded, such as the QTE's, the excessively long boss fights, the bestiary, and the soundtrack. I'm not expecting GUITARS AND HARDCORE J POP whatever, but it wouldn't hurt to hear some organs in the audio direction or, fine, I'll say it, Bloody Tears somewhere.

Pretty much this. If all those issues are addressed in the sequel, then perhaps the game could be better and more successful than its predecessor, given all the changes that could be made. Also, like you, I don't expect any Yamane-esque music to be present, but I think adding in organs can really set the mood and MAYBE nostalgia well, if old CV tunes are to be rearranged.

It also wouldn't hurt to have the the option to turn QTEs off, and I say Dave should may as well go ahead with that idea, seeing as he lied about them not being present in the first game (I don't have anything against the guy; he seems to mean well, but he should really stick to his words more often).
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Post by: A-Yty on January 06, 2012, 05:36:29 AM
I admit I am not everywhere at once, but these supposed new Castlevania fans of Lords of Shadow either don't exist, or have no internet presence, which, in this day and age, would be very strange.

From what I've seen, there are two kinds of LoS fans. Casual "fans" (since they don't really follow the Castlevania series or are interested in it, they spend their Internet time discussing their actual favorite series like GoW). The other kind's priority interest is the zealous defending of LoS against CV fans who don't like it.

But when you really think about it, neither is a real fan of LoS. They both have other interests in mind.
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Post by: Sumac on January 06, 2012, 05:57:57 AM
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If something different and you don't like you obviously don't like it because you think it sucks, not because it is different.
Wrong.
In this case its not that I dislike Castlevanias set in the Castle. I think series could be much more than that. I am for variety.
But it seems it could hard to understand to some people, who seeing disagreement with them as "flamebait / illogical fallacy / etc".

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It's a horrible, close-minded way of thinking, which is ironic considering how those FOR change claim to be open-minded, while those "against" are close-minded. But, being so willing to label and put someone in a box couldn't be MORE close-minded in itself.
I rarely label people as "for me" and "against me". More often then not my position towards them changes with situation.

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My bad, I should have put some random threat to Konami or maybe even call David Cox a shithead in that post.
Nice one.

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You can just smell the flamebait in the air.....
Oh, so it is your catchphrase?

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But when you really think about it, neither is a real fan of LoS. They both have other interests in mind.
So, fans who like the game are not fans, because they want to see more of the game in that style, essentially because they like the game?
And some people tell me that I divide everyone in "against me" and "with me".
As for me I liked LOS on its own, since its reminded me about old CV games (and what CV should be) and because it wasn't "metroidvania". So you can say that my specific interest..is that I liked that game.  8)
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 06, 2012, 09:36:48 AM

Oh, so it is your catchphrase?


Problem? :)
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Vampire Killer on January 06, 2012, 12:40:54 PM
From what I've seen, there are two kinds of LoS fans. Casual "fans" (since they don't really follow the Castlevania series or are interested in it, they spend their Internet time discussing their actual favorite series like GoW). The other kind's priority interest is the zealous defending of LoS against CV fans who don't like it.

But when you really think about it, neither is a real fan of LoS. They both have other interests in mind.

Seriously? (o_O)"

So even though I really like LoS, I'm not actually a fan of it? And in fact what I really like is the defending of it, not the actual game?

Amazing analysis Freud. Tell me more. (T_T) :rollseyes:





P.S. Cv is my favorite series
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Post by: thernz on January 06, 2012, 01:38:47 PM
No, I'd say you're okay. You're okay.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Munchy on January 06, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
I too am looking forward to the sequel but  I doubt  all  of the issues will be adressed (QTEs are still gonna be in unfortunately) but I would like to see the return of the other traditional sub weapons(axe's,boomerang stopwatch etc).

I hope the next game has a stopwatch, 'cause it'd be incredibly useful for those coffin bastards.
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Post by: Dremn on January 06, 2012, 05:48:26 PM
I want the axe and cross to return, and I want to find pot roast again for health instead of health fonts straight out of God of War.
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Post by: e105beta on January 06, 2012, 07:01:55 PM
That by far my favorite piece of artwork in the game, it's creepy and menacing, now I wanna see THAT Dracula in the next game, not the death seeker one in the epilouge.

To be fair, that Dracula was washed up. Zobek even says so, though I'll be kind of sad if he still looks like a wrinkly old bat in a new game.

I think a Lords of Shadow sequel is a terrible idea.

I admit I am not everywhere at once, but these supposed new Castlevania fans of Lords of Shadow either don't exist, or have no internet presence, which, in this day and age, would be very strange. The biggest things I've seen LoS do are push long time fans away and divide the fanbase. It just doesn't seem worth it to me to pursue this course. If Lords of Shadow was pushing record breaking numbers and had legions of devout fans, I could understand it, but it's my belief that it did too much harm and not enough good to continue.

Castlevania as a series doesn't exactly set high bars when it comes to records. Even Symphony of the Night is kind of a cult hit when it comes to the industry as a whole.

Plus, when so much of the current online series fanbase turns it into a war, its easy to see why most don't feel like talking about it online. I've learned you can barely make a thread online titled "Ideas for a Lords of Shadow 2" without getting a "Don't make it".

From what I've seen, there are two kinds of LoS fans. Casual "fans" (since they don't really follow the Castlevania series or are interested in it, they spend their Internet time discussing their actual favorite series like GoW). The other kind's priority interest is the zealous defending of LoS against CV fans who don't like it.

But when you really think about it, neither is a real fan of LoS. They both have other interests in mind.
First, it's hard to be more than casual fan if Lords of Shadow is the first Castlevania game you've played.

Second, I have played every Castlevania game I can get my hands on, own three copies of Symphony of the Night, bought a PSP to play Dracula X Chronicles, and think Rondo of Blood is the best game I've ever played.
I also love Lords of Shadow and would hate to miss out on a sequel based on the opinions of a few vehemently negative fans affecting reviews and thus affecting overall sales. Seeing as that didn't happen, I guess I can thank Lords of Shadow's low online presence or new fanbase for that.

So knowing that, where does that put me?
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Post by: Vampire Killer on January 06, 2012, 07:38:07 PM
I hope the next game has a stopwatch, 'cause it'd be incredibly useful for those coffin bastards.

Amen to that! The Coffins were annoying to say the least.
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Post by: Claimh Solais on January 06, 2012, 09:32:52 PM
I'm actually looking forward to an LoS sequel. I'm still trying to get the first one, not as interested in it since some arsehole around here spoiled it, Reverie, and Resurrection for me (name will not be said), but I'm still willing to buy it.

The talking horse in Stage 2 weirded me the hell out though. Totally caught me off guard. (I played the demo)
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Post by: Thy Gory Rory on January 06, 2012, 11:05:01 PM
I'm an IGA fantard but even I can't wait for a Lords of Shadows sequel. I get a massive hardon for all of Castlevania's many different iterations and incarnations. Kinda comes with the territory if you're born in the goddamn 80's and that's where you first sunken your fucking teeth into the older Castlevania's.
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 07, 2012, 12:21:13 AM
I'm an IGA fantard but even I can't wait for a Lords of Shadows sequel. I get a massive hardon for all of Castlevania's many different iterations and incarnations. Kinda comes with the territory if you're born in the goddamn 80's and that's where you first sunken your fucking teeth into the older Castlevania's.

 Cv was like that at first different teams,different ideas, Konami needs to do that again maybe a mercury steam one, platnium games one, and an all new konami based team in house that is hungry to prove them self (really when it comes down to it the japan team at konami just cannot make a good 3D game nor make a worthwhile 2D game as said before it may be a budget thing,  but heck is it that hard to give a cv good budget and time development if Los was not a big budget game yet still had one then what could a big budget game for a cv be like? A budget like final fantasy XII or metal gear solid 4 or mario galaxy or god of war, Zelda, you all know a big @$$ budget.).
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Post by: Sumac on January 07, 2012, 05:16:08 AM
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Problem?

Not really. Not with you.

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Cv was like that at first different teams,different ideas, Konami needs to do that again maybe a mercury steam one, platnium games one, and an all new konami based team in house that is hungry to prove them self

I would be all for this idea, if it wasn't very expensive to support several teams at once. And besides it would a headache for the marketing division to establish each game as their own and not confuse consumers.
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Post by: Munchy on January 08, 2012, 06:26:19 PM
Cv was like that at first different teams,different ideas, Konami needs to do that again maybe a mercury steam one, platnium games one, and an all new konami based team in house that is hungry to prove them self (really when it comes down to it the japan team at konami just cannot make a good 3D game nor make a worthwhile 2D game as said before it may be a budget thing,  but heck is it that hard to give a cv good budget and time development if Los was not a big budget game yet still had one then what could a big budget game for a cv be like? A budget like final fantasy XII or metal gear solid 4 or mario galaxy or god of war, Zelda, you all know a big @$$ budget.).

I'm cool with this. All the different teams working on CV give each game unique flavors!
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 08, 2012, 09:52:58 PM
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No more words coming from me ;D
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Post by: Vampire Killer on January 09, 2012, 01:45:41 AM
That image will haunt our nightmares :(
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 09, 2012, 02:07:10 PM
Cv was like that at first different teams,different ideas, Konami needs to do that again maybe a mercury steam one, platnium games one, and an all new konami based team in house that is hungry to prove them self (really when it comes down to it the japan team at konami just cannot make a good 3D game nor make a worthwhile 2D game as said before it may be a budget thing,  but heck is it that hard to give a cv good budget and time development if Los was not a big budget game yet still had one then what could a big budget game for a cv be like? A budget like final fantasy XII or metal gear solid 4 or mario galaxy or god of war, Zelda, you all know a big @$$ budget.).
That would never work for the overall storyline unless each game had a stand alone story independent of the others like in the final fantasy series.  No real story continuity.  Maintaining an overall story and adding to it over years and years is difficult.  We saw this with the CV cannon.  There are plot holes, changes in the overall storyline, games recotoned (spelling?), and games that don't seem to fit at all.  This is in large part to the long period of time, story being considered secondary to gameplay, and changing teams with different visions for the series.  Having the games with independent story lines and maybe one or two sequels at most in any particular storyline.  This is what Square Enix does with the final fantasy series and it seems to be beneficial to it.

That being said, I want a sequel to LoS.  I liked the game.  Not as a CV, but as a good game in general.  The only things I didn't like were the titan fights.

Now then, I have a question for all of you.  CV isn't scary.  You fight monsters in a gothic environment, but it isn't scary.  A little creepy, but not scary.  CV seems to be more about acton than horror.  So, it ask:  Should CV be scary? 
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Post by: Kingshango on January 09, 2012, 02:20:54 PM
Can't say I've ever been scared in a Castlevania game, I'd say Castlevania is more creepy than scary.

Unless the character has little to no access to weapons then maybe it could work.
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 09, 2012, 02:21:09 PM
Now then, I have a question for all of you.  CV isn't scary.  You fight monsters in a gothic environment, but it isn't scary.  A little creepy, but not scary.  CV seems to be more about acton than horror.  So, it ask:  Should CV be scary?
It will make for a great spin off, playing like one of Dracula's human prisoners for example, classy.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 09, 2012, 02:27:30 PM
It will make for a great spin off, playing like one of Dracula's human prisoners for example, classy.

Thats not a bad idea actually.

Imagine, playing as a normal human prisoner who is captured and put in the lowest pits of the Castlevania dungeon.

Then imagine having to find a way to escape the castle from hell.

It certainly would add a sense of horror due to the players vulnerability from being a normal human instead of a Hunter. Maybe just finding crosses,holy water, and stakes to fend of the evil monsters but having to run from the more "powerful" ones.

I actually would not mind a one off spinoff CV title like that.
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Post by: crisis on January 09, 2012, 02:46:50 PM
Sounds like an excellent idea for a Pachislot IV
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Post by: Successor The Cruel on January 09, 2012, 04:02:19 PM
That being said, I want a sequel to LoS.  I liked the game.  Not as a CV, but as a good game in general.  The only things I didn't like were the titan fights.

That's fine, but do you want a LoS sequel at the expense of a possible Castlevania game that's, you know, good as a Castlevania game? The big problem is, if Konami continues the course they're on, they're focusing their real Castlevania efforts on games that are so unlike Castlevania that it's depressing, while relegating the more recognizable Castlevania stuff to side projects, like downloads that are stupid ideas and gambling machines.

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Now then, I have a question for all of you.  CV isn't scary.  You fight monsters in a gothic environment, but it isn't scary.  A little creepy, but not scary.  CV seems to be more about acton than horror.  So, it ask:  Should CV be scary?

Castlevania games are action games based on horror movies, not horror games. That works fine with me. I like them to be unsettling at times, but straight forward horror just doesn't suit what the series is, I think.
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Post by: crisis on January 09, 2012, 04:13:45 PM
I thought the entrance to Legion's lair in CoD was pretty creepy & unsettling, but the enemies sucked (aside from those floating "Demon Core" creatures, which drop one of the rarest items in the game that I've still yet to attain)
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on January 09, 2012, 04:35:53 PM
(aside from those floating "Demon Core" creatures, which drop one of the rarest items in the game that I've still yet to attain)

I attained it.

Took me 5 whole hours......but I attained it.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on January 09, 2012, 05:36:50 PM
It will make for a great spin off, playing like one of Dracula's human prisoners for example, classy.

SNES Longplay [005] Nosferatu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlJ8rNjBENA#)
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Post by: Flame on January 09, 2012, 06:13:52 PM
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at the expense of a possible Castlevania game that's, you know, good as a Castlevania game?
I dont recall Konami impressing me too much with their more recent pre-LoS vanias. DoS and PoR are disappointing sequels which fail to live up to their predecessors, as far as I can recall, only OoE was the rare gem that again proves IGA sucks at making sequels and should stick to original stories. And their 3D attempts were "good" at best. I love my LoI, but it's not the best game around by a long shot. Has its fair share of issues. And CoD... Again proves that IGA sucks at sequels. (in fact, this one is just a terrible plot all around.)

LoS meanwhile, while completely different, was pretty impressive, and pretty damn good. So, yes. Yes at the expense of what we all know would just be another metroidvania with reused Rondo sprites.
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 09, 2012, 06:31:18 PM
I dont recall Konami impressing me too much with their more recent pre-LoS vanias. DoS and PoR are disappointing sequels which fail to live up to their predecessors, as far as I can recall, only OoE was the rare gem that again proves IGA sucks at making sequels and should stick to original stories. And their 3D attempts were "good" at best. I love my LoI, but it's not the best game around by a long shot. Has its fair share of issues. And CoD... Again proves that IGA sucks at sequels. (in fact, this one is just a terrible plot all around.)

LoS meanwhile, while completely different, was pretty impressive, and pretty damn good. So, yes. Yes at the expense of what we all know would just be another metroidvania with reused Rondo sprites.
Sad, but true.

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Post by: Successor The Cruel on January 09, 2012, 09:31:48 PM
LoS meanwhile, while completely different, was pretty impressive, and pretty damn good. So, yes. Yes at the expense of what we all know would just be another metroidvania with reused Rondo sprites.

That's the difference between you and I, then. I don't think Lords of Shadow is impressive or good, and to make matters worse, it doesn't even seem like it belongs in the series it's in. Also, none of us can really say what Konami would have done with the series. However, just to entertain the thought, considering my high opinion of Order of Ecclesia, I would way rather Konami stayed with KCET than go with Mercury Steam. Although, I'd be entirely open to a new team and approach. Just because Lords of Shadow is "different" from what was going on before, and just because it may not have the exact problems as before, does not mean it is the way to go. It brings about an entirely new host of problems, which, in my eyes are colossal and unforgivable.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 10, 2012, 06:45:01 AM
Now then, I have a question for all of you.  CV isn't scary.  You fight monsters in a gothic environment, but it isn't scary.  A little creepy, but not scary.  CV seems to be more about acton than horror.  So, it ask:  Should CV be scary?
Spooky? Yes. Creepy? Sure. Scary? No. Leave the scary stuff to survival horror. CV shouldnt be that. But, well, if the money's good, I'm sure Konami would try to "evolve" the series in that direction nonetheless. Imagine less action, more hiding, stealth, zombies popping out of walls and such. CV game that plays like a RE game. Could happen!

But yeah, but as the original question asked, CV series has been more creep-laced, spooky in the "Old Haunted House" type of way. Like I said elsewhere, it was basically the "Monster Mash" of action platformers. Spooky old castle, eerie full moon partially obscured by streaked clouds. Bats flaying around and famous movie monsters(particularly Universal based ones) appeared as bosses(or monsters, like the Mermen). It's like what Stephen King said when he talked about his inspiration for It. He said it was like an old Looney Tune show where Bugs brings out all the famous monsters on stage to do a little number. Of course It, itself(haha), was more SCARY, but CV's original logic felt, to me, like that in game form. You get to venture into spooky, creepy, cobwebby, dire, musty, eerie locations, battling vampire bats, zombies, skeletons. Also, it seems that horror movie inspiration hasn't really weened. OoE, we get Leatherface to appear. LOL!

Though, the creepiest moments, I'd think, in the CV series, FOR ME, are the confession room(SotN), the Coliseum slaughter room(just looks creepy to me, SotN), appearances of Granfalloon and Beelzebub(SotN), and the Souless walking mindlessly into the Legion Room(AoS).
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Post by: darkwzrd4 on January 10, 2012, 08:22:03 AM
Spooky? Yes. Creepy? Sure. Scary? No. Leave the scary stuff to survival horror. CV shouldnt be that. But, well, if the money's good, I'm sure Konami would try to "evolve" the series in that direction nonetheless. Imagine less action, more hiding, stealth, zombies popping out of walls and such. CV game that plays like a RE game. Could happen!

But yeah, but as the original question asked, CV series has been more creep-laced, spooky in the "Old Haunted House" type of way. Like I said elsewhere, it was basically the "Monster Mash" of action platformers. Spooky old castle, eerie full moon partially obscured by streaked clouds. Bats flaying around and famous movie monsters(particularly Universal based ones) appeared as bosses(or monsters, like the Mermen). It's like what Stephen King said when he talked about his inspiration for It. He said it was like an old Looney Tune show where Bugs brings out all the famous monsters on stage to do a little number. Of course It, itself(haha), was more SCARY, but CV's original logic felt, to me, like that in game form. You get to venture into spooky, creepy, cobwebby, dire, musty, eerie locations, battling vampire bats, zombies, skeletons. Also, it seems that horror movie inspiration hasn't really weened. OoE, we get Leatherface to appear. LOL!

Though, the creepiest moments, I'd think, in the CV series, FOR ME, are the confession room(SotN), the Coliseum slaughter room(just looks creepy to me, SotN), appearances of Granfalloon and Beelzebub(SotN), and the Souless walking mindlessly into the Legion Room(AoS).
When I ask if we want CV to be scary, I'm not talking about making it into survival horror.  I'm asking if we want moments that scare u or make u jump.  I'm talking about instances in which something pops out at u and you don't see it coming.  Maybe it could happen during a cut scene or a QTE.  I ask you to think of the game FEAR 2.  That game was freaky.  I can't tell you how much that shit frightened me.  Actually, that could work if the 1999 game ever gets made.  Being that it's suppose to be a war with soldiers and everything, image a young Julius Belmont is with a group of soldiers when all of sudden something appears and slaughters the troops.  Think of an entity that acts similar to the way Alma Wade did in Fear2.  That would be a seriously scary action game.
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Post by: Flame on January 10, 2012, 09:20:43 AM
Castlevania has always leaned more towards Gothic Horror than plain classic horror. It's more about the atmosphere than the "horror".
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Post by: Ahasverus on January 10, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
Don't know about you, but I think Simon's Quest was kinda scary (hey, it was 1987)
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Post by: Kingshango on January 10, 2012, 09:39:10 AM
Yeah wondering when that textbox was gonna appear the entire game is nerve wracking, especially when your in the middle of a jump.
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Post by: Sumac on January 10, 2012, 11:08:23 AM
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Don't know about you, but I think Simon's Quest was kinda scary (hey, it was 1987)
I somewhat agree - small mansions were kind of creppy. The weren't organized as castle from the first game and were more like dark and bizzare labyrynths. I don't think any other CV managed to reproduce this. CV64 came close though.
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Post by: Vrakanox on January 10, 2012, 11:11:46 AM
I'm always for making games a bit more creepy. Castlevania should always be an action game but the more horror elements the better IMO. OoE seemed to be taking us more in that direction.
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Post by: Neobelmont on January 10, 2012, 05:57:55 PM
CV 64 scary, chainsaw man scared me for a long time it made me not touch castlevania for a long time and I mean till POR came out on the ds kind of time I.
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Post by: beingthehero on January 11, 2012, 11:22:49 AM
I never found CV2 to be scary at all.

But I was scared of Zelda II's game over screen. ;_;
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Post by: Sumac on January 11, 2012, 11:46:32 AM
CV2 mansions creeped me about with their colour palette.
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Post by: GummiCandyful on January 11, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
Yeah wondering when that textbox was gonna appear the entire game is nerve wracking, especially when your in the middle of a jump.

I agree. There were constant moments where I would be grinding for hearts at the lake, and suddenly "What a horrible night to have a curse..." pops up on the screen, thus startling the Hell out of me, which then causes me to fall to my death in the water below.
 
But I was scared of Zelda II's game over screen. ;_;

I think that's pretty much the reason why I stopped playing that game. Stupid Ganon.

Edit: I just remembered what was the most scariest thing in Castlevania that I have experienced: the boss music from Dracula's Curse along with the Cyclops who would chase the player around with a giant hammer. That was scary as Hell when I was a child, and to this day it still is.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 01, 2012, 08:16:42 AM
Hey guys. Wild especulation here!.
First, let's put things in perspective. Cox is teasing so much the sequel on twitter that it's getting old.

Then there is this.


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A killer sequel, part of an espectacular reboot, blood related.. ding ding ding??

Then (neogaf quote)
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Dutch Journalist Jan Meijroos is/was attending the event in and said that he couldn't say anything about what he said but that a big surprise comes out of spain, he added: 'A Spanish studio surprised friend and foe'.

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Can not say anything yet about many 360 games I've played and seen today but the surprise comes from Spain ...? (not Christmas)

Cox tweeted abaout an important meeting this week.

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Today we have a big meeting with..... ???? We are showing them our new project on..... ???? That is all!!

The journalist said (google translated)
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lol ... no games in San Francisco with a Spanish studio surprised friend and foe

GDC is in.. you guessed it.. San Francisco
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GDC 2012   San Francisco, California   March 5-9

And Cox said:

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Busy, busy couple of weeks. Lots of important meetings and of course, GDC. See you there?


So, is an announcement REALLY close? And BTW, is the sequel too espectacular? :D
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Post by: Flame on March 01, 2012, 09:03:53 AM
Cant wait. Wonder what it will be called? Obviously not LoS2
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on March 01, 2012, 09:24:09 AM
Well, it was time about some Castlevania news. I'm really interesting about how the sequel is going to be...........
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Post by: crisis on March 01, 2012, 10:33:11 AM
meh. nothing exciting as usual. still waiting for a logo or screenshot.


cocktease. coxtease.
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Post by: Dremn on March 01, 2012, 10:38:42 AM
I highly doubt it's Castlevania.

But we'll see. A reveal at GDC would be really nice though.
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Post by: Rugal on March 01, 2012, 10:46:10 AM
Lords of Shadow is nothing but a Lord of the Rings spinoff.
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 01, 2012, 10:55:34 AM
I am eating lucky charms right now. And reading this right now makes me a slighty more happy, but it's mostly the charms that's doing it for me.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 01, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
Lords of Shadow is nothing but a Lord of the Rings spinoff.
Get back to your cave, troll.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 01, 2012, 11:31:01 AM
Nice news, I'm really hoping it's Castlevania.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 01, 2012, 11:42:21 AM
There's been quite a few rumors about LOS2 as of late.

I doubt the OXM teaser is not related to LOS2 (I'd like to be wrong though), anyway im not getting my hopes up for LOS2 being revealed at GDC, Konami would save something like that for E3 or something.

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Post by: Nagumo on March 01, 2012, 12:27:28 PM
That Dutch journalist writes for a magazine I'm subscribed too. If there is anything interesting to report, I'll shall post it here I guess.
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Post by: beingthehero on March 01, 2012, 12:58:19 PM
Unless they're rebooting Lords then I highly doubt that poster has anything to do with Lords 2.
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Post by: Dremn on March 01, 2012, 01:13:41 PM
Let's start our official checklists:

-Belmont clan/protagonist
-Pot roast
-candles/torches for whipping
-more Castlevania esque soundtrack
-lots of platforming
-medusa heads
-Dracula

Sequel needs these.

What if they pull a next gen Dracula's Curse and give us more than 1 playable character?
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Post by: JR on March 01, 2012, 01:18:08 PM
Unless they're rebooting Lords then I highly doubt that poster has anything to do with Lords 2.

I was thinking the same thing. Either that or they're using the term reboot in a really awkward way.

I'm not too convinced that this has to do with Lords. Usually the gaming press uses ham-fisted phrases like "whip it" or "sinks its teeth into" when describing a Castlevania game.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 01, 2012, 01:48:37 PM
Well, Lords is the only reboot that is getting a sequel. Despite the awkward wording, what else could it be refering too?
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Post by: Dremn on March 01, 2012, 01:52:43 PM
GAF says it's likely an Xbox exclusive, so it's probably not Castlevania. A few of them seems to think it could be Perfect Dark.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 01, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
Some suggest it might also be Killer Instinct 3.
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Post by: Flame on March 01, 2012, 02:49:04 PM
Lords of Shadow is nothing but a Lord of the Rings spinoff.
0/10 would not read again

Let's start our official checklists:

-Belmont clan/protagonist
-Pot roast
-candles/torches for whipping
-more Castlevania esque soundtrack
-lots of platforming
-medusa heads
-Dracula

Sequel needs these.

What if they pull a next gen Dracula's Curse and give us more than 1 playable character?

As long as they give it a more gothic atmosphere/environment, and a larger assortment of music than LoS, im good with whats there.
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Post by: Dremn on March 01, 2012, 02:56:19 PM
Some suggest it might also be Killer Instinct 3.
That would be quite interesting, and it would finally give Microsoft their own fighting IP.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 01, 2012, 06:29:05 PM
Even if it's not related to the OXM reveal, Cox hints are strong, abd what about the journalist? Simply, there is NO OTHER active Spanish studio, even if it's not CV, he's surely talking about MercurySteam.

And they are making CV sequel so yeah!
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 01, 2012, 06:59:25 PM
Some suggest it might also be Killer Instinct 3.


Cinder's double combo-breaker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XERZywq9o_g#)


It must be said.
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Post by: Dremn on March 01, 2012, 07:37:34 PM
Cox did say he would be at GDC too. I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a reveal then at the show.
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Post by: Rugal on March 02, 2012, 06:37:42 AM
0/10 would not read again

Your originality astounds me.
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Post by: uzo on March 02, 2012, 07:18:26 AM
Let's start our official checklists:

-Belmont clan/protagonist
-Pot roast
-candles/torches for whipping
-more Castlevania esque soundtrack
-lots of platforming
-medusa heads
-Dracula

Don't get your hopes up for any of these.
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Post by: A-Yty on March 02, 2012, 09:06:39 AM
Some suggest it might also be Killer Instinct 3.

Gotta tell I'd love that. More than a LoS sequel. A lot more, actually.

"ULTRA! ULTRA! ULTRA! ULTRA!.."
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Post by: Kingshango on March 02, 2012, 10:04:30 AM
Don't get your hopes up for any of these.

Well at least Dracula showing up is a given since he now exist's, weather he's a main antagonist or a playable villain protagonist is anybody's guess.

I wouldn't get my hopes up about the other things though.
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Post by: Munchy on March 02, 2012, 04:15:31 PM
Cox seemed very adamant on the first game going back to the "lone warrior battling supernatural shit with a whip" so I'm pretty sure the next one would follow suit at least in that regard. I suppose we shouldn't forget that there are good CVs without Belmont protagonists, but the whip stuff was what made the combat so cool in LoS. I really, really hope they keep that element rather than yet another swords/spears/axes/whatever guy.

The other stuff on the list though, nah probably not. Except maybe the platforming, but MS's definition of that term is starkly different from mine, sooooo yeah.
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Post by: crisis on March 02, 2012, 04:23:50 PM
They should call it Lords of Shadow 2: The Squeakquel
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 02, 2012, 08:02:53 PM
-Pot roast
-candles/torches for whipping

Sequel needs these.
1- HELL NO
2- We already had them, did no one of you whip the candles at the Castle? :P
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Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 02, 2012, 08:37:55 PM
did no one of you whip the candles at the Castle? :P

I was just noticing that a few hours ago.
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Post by: Munchy on March 02, 2012, 09:55:17 PM
1- HELL NO
2- We already had them, did no one of you whip the candles at the Castle? :P

Everyone knows that health fountains are for girly men.

I kid. But either way, it's a thing that restores health. Whatever they do is cool as long as it's not a first aid kit.
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Post by: Flame on March 02, 2012, 10:08:45 PM
I think the reason most people overlook the whippable candles in the castle is because they dont actually drop anything, and therefore are just an aesthetic.
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Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 02, 2012, 10:16:44 PM
LOS2 needs hearts, at the least.
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Post by: uzo on March 02, 2012, 10:24:05 PM
God, I don't even know what LoS thread I'm ever in, because after a few pages they're all the same.
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Post by: C Belmont on March 02, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
Quote
1- HELL NO

Why not?
eating Pot roast to restore health could make for some interesting QTE moments or even a mini game! ;D

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi260.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii35%2FOverking1%2FPotroastQTE.png&hash=d0015364ba6f92bf8eb1b5bc08a0e48b)
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Post by: Kingshango on March 02, 2012, 11:24:15 PM
LOS2 needs hearts, at the least.

If hearts do return I'd bet they will be collectibles to upgrade health or something.
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Post by: FerryMANsAJEDI on March 03, 2012, 06:06:29 AM
Have a more Gothic Atmosphere/environment so it feels like more a Castlevania game. LOS had some instances and chapters where it really felt like i was playing a Castlevania game but they where far between.

And please no more God of war titan battles. sure it's amazing graphics but its boring to the player who has to wait for a titan to do anything for him to climb up. No more QUICKTIME events, how is it fair i spend 20 min on a boss ony for him to kill me because of some stupid quick time event at the end of the fight.

I love RPG's so i would like to see some of the RPG elements brought back in. since it was such a huge part of of the series for so long, I love having different choices and stats in weapons and Armor. Plus that way it would also stop people from saying its nothing but a God of war clone if you added a RPG element to it.


They have the elements in LOS for an amazing Castlevania game that the fans would appreciate and love. I think if they where fix the landscape in LOS2 so it's less middle earth and more dark and unsettling and fix the music then that alone would suffice most people.


I was glad there where no Medusa heads in LOS..them things can frig off and die a slow death.....



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Post by: beingthehero on March 03, 2012, 07:22:04 AM
Why not?
eating Pot roast to restore health could make for some interesting QTE moments or even a mini game! ;D

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi260.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii35%2FOverking1%2FPotroastQTE.png&hash=d0015364ba6f92bf8eb1b5bc08a0e48b)

This is the most beautiful thing I've read all week.

Also if there are medusa heads in Lords Hard With A Vengeance, I hope they're simply the 2D Rondo ones again. Gotta keep up the tradition.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 03, 2012, 09:56:29 AM
I think the reason most people overlook the whippable candles in the castle is because they dont actually drop anything, and therefore are just an aesthetic.
They drop Sub-Weapons O.o
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Post by: Flame on March 03, 2012, 03:46:53 PM
They do? I didnt remember...
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Post by: flyingchai on March 03, 2012, 05:40:42 PM
Yes the candles dropped subweapons.
On another note about the restorative mutton chops, they DID reference it in LoS, just not for the hero.
The Evil Butcher restored some of his health by eating what looked like the typical Castlevania chops that were there hanging on the kitchen wall...

Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Nagumo on March 06, 2012, 10:36:41 AM
No confirm at GDC according to Cox.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 06, 2012, 11:19:17 AM
Like I said before:


Konami would save something like that for E3 or something.

Then again, Cox is a revolving door when it comes to the truth.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
Konami is crazy if they announce LoS2 at E3.

There's NO WAY it could compete with, say, GTAV's thunder (And ACIII and GoW4 and DMC and RE6 and FFvsXIII and MG:R and CoD:BO2 and MoH and Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell and probably BatmanIII and Skyrim's DLC and Bioshock Infinite and... you get the idea)
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Post by: beingthehero on March 06, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
I don't know, MercurySteam is awfully certain of their games' success. I dunno if DmC is really all that anticipated...at least anticipated for the right reasons. I think people want to see a trainwreck and complain about it. :X
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
I think that only competing with GTAV is plain suicide, and as you can see, there's much, much more.
And of course, it doesn't help that Konami is lauded as the WORST japanese publisher right now (And its PR/marketing team is a joke), so I don't think the gaming population is holding their breath for its conference, and if they do, it's only for a good laugh with some extreeeeeeeeme moments.

Unless LoS is announced at a Console Manufacturer conferenc (unlikely) it will be painfully ignored...
like the first one was
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Post by: beingthehero on March 06, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
The Konami Conference last year was so disappointing because I actually wanted to see the insanity of 2010's conference.  ???
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Post by: Flame on March 06, 2012, 10:45:52 PM
>DmC
>Anticipated

Pick one.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 06, 2012, 11:01:56 PM
>DmC
>Anticipated

Pick one.
I'm actually very hyped, have no preconceptions about the series though, always thought Dante was goofy (And only played DMC4, while fun it's a joke after bayonetta).
I think Ninja Theory is an excellent storytelling studio, and matched with Capcom's gameplay, I'm kinda hoping it will shut up those guys arguing over a haircut (which is just fine, BTW)
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Post by: Flame on March 07, 2012, 12:48:59 AM
Dante's entire redesign is nothing more than a self insert of the director.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg41.imageshack.us%2Fimg41%2F4745%2F839f787e06fa44edacb7e56.jpg&hash=a9a6d4be068cf9ff8be866ab8d2f1902)

It's not just the haircut. Im not a Devil May Cry fan, but ive pretty much seen the reaction most of the fans had. They do NOT want this game.

And tbh, while I know nothing about the game, damn if that ain't the most shameless self insert ever.
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Post by: Gaawa-chan on March 07, 2012, 12:53:15 AM
^ Omg, that's... lol.



One thing that I haven't seen many people mention about LoS that I didn't really like was the weird mount gimmick. Did anyone else find that extremely silly and out of place? Leaping on the back of giant spiders and then somehow controlling them into doing stuff? I also found it kind of boring.

If the character in the next game MUST have a mount for whatever reason, I hope they make it a summon or familiar or something... I dunno...

Anywho, I wonder if Gabriel will be the PC in the next game or if someone else will.  I also wonder what other nods it will give to the main series.
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Post by: Puwexil on March 07, 2012, 03:25:32 AM
The mounts functioned as glorified keys for whatever door the environment was using to block one's progress. They tried to dress it up by pretending they had some combat utility too, but it was extremely limited in practice and you could never keep a mount around past its very brief pre-determined section. It reached comical heights when Gabriel jumped on top of a spider for the umpteenth time, shot a web to make a bridge, and engaged in celebratory strangulation.
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Post by: crisis on March 07, 2012, 08:47:02 AM
My opinion on the mounts:

God of War did them better.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 07, 2012, 08:52:03 AM
My opinion on the mounts:

God of War did them better.

That's..........true.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 07, 2012, 08:56:47 AM
I hated mounts, it's the LOS equvalent to a water level.
Get rid of them.
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Post by: beingthehero on March 07, 2012, 09:31:40 AM
Has there ever been a good water level? Besides SotN's caves.
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Post by: Flame on March 07, 2012, 01:10:44 PM
Aria's water level was pretty good...
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 07, 2012, 05:28:33 PM
Aria's water level was pretty good...
Because physics weren't changed significantly, thats why!
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Post by: FerryMANsAJEDI on March 08, 2012, 03:50:17 AM
I didn't like the fact the last half of the game felt like I was doing nothing but boss battles and puzzles. Plus get rid of the titan god of war battles there boring.
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Post by: thernz on March 08, 2012, 07:05:57 AM
Imagine a part in Lords 2 where you ride a mount underwater.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 08, 2012, 07:53:55 AM
Imagine a part in Lords 2 where you ride a mount underwater.
Iga should be pleased with you  :D
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Post by: crisis on March 08, 2012, 08:02:13 AM
t-that's not very prunyuu~  :rollseyes:
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on March 08, 2012, 09:42:21 AM
My opinion on the mounts:

God of War did them better.

Dante's Inferno did 'em better as well.
CV Fans should play that game.  It feels pretty CV-ish at times.
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Post by: shelverton. on March 08, 2012, 10:46:45 AM
That reminds me that Dante's Inferno is sitting on my shelf since well over a year. I haven't even removed the plastic. I'm playing it OMG TONIGHT I THINK! :O

Trying to find Castlevaniaesque games recently made me pick up Lunar Knights for the DS. It has an overhead isometric view but there's no denying that it plays a bit like a parody Castlevania in terms of levels, theme and stuff. I highly recommend it! Stage 1 music wouldn't feel totally out of place in a new Kid Dracula game.

On topic: I don't see why Konami couldn't announce LoS2 at E3. There are always HUGE games being presented and with that logic no one should ever announce anything unless they're showing an AAA title, cause it would be "suicide". Now, releasing the actual game is another story though. Don't interfer with GoW, CoD, GTA, Halo and such, and you should be fine.
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Post by: thernz on March 08, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
Iga should be pleased with you  :D
but iga likes lords
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Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 08, 2012, 11:42:26 AM
Dante's entire redesign is nothing more than a self insert of the director.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg41.imageshack.us%2Fimg41%2F4745%2F839f787e06fa44edacb7e56.jpg&hash=a9a6d4be068cf9ff8be866ab8d2f1902)

It's not just the haircut. Im not a Devil May Cry fan, but ive pretty much seen the reaction most of the fans had. They do NOT want this game.

And tbh, while I know nothing about the game, damn if that ain't the most shameless self insert ever.


That beat up and frankly ugly design for Dante has been redone. You'd know that if you followed the dev team at all.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi585.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss292%2FAlecMorris%2FNewDante-1.jpg&hash=888a80133127e402f893ed3dfcdcbcc1)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsphotos.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash4%2F427406_300985839967454_175325335866839_792565_1006681988_n.jpg&hash=171dc5fc54254ac22be9bbd063c352e8)

New design. Give him white hair and he might actually sort of resemble old Dante just a bit.
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Post by: shelverton. on March 08, 2012, 11:50:21 AM
That new design is worse than the one where he looks like the producer. I hate the even shorter hair. Now he just looks like a generic anybody.
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Post by: uzo on March 08, 2012, 01:00:36 PM
He still is a look alike to the producer. Just not beaten in the face.
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Post by: Munchy on March 08, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
Oh man, the plot synopsis for that game is hilariously emo.

I'M JUST A MISUNDERSTOOD KID WITH A MYSTERIOUS PAST AND NOTHING TO LOSE

Whatever anyone thinks of LoS, it's infinitely better than the drivel these guys come up with.
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Post by: shelverton. on March 08, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
Well, as much as I dislike the new Dante, and as much as the story is going to be a letdown, I still genuinly believe that the gameplay is gonna be pretty good. And gameplay is all I ask for in a game like this. From what I've seen it looks like a real DMC game, and it looks pretty fun. I can't trash an entire game because of the main characters haircut or the storyline.
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Post by: Dremn on March 08, 2012, 02:37:10 PM
The lack of any Castlevania at GDC is disappointing.

Starting to seem like The Adventure on the 3DS eShop is our only piece of news this year. Amazing, especially after they skipped out on giving Castlevania a proper anniversary last year.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 09, 2012, 04:34:38 AM
I'm more worried everyday about Castlevania being a Konami franchise, hey konami, could you not handle it to Square Enix? please?
http://www.destructoid.com/blades-of-time-s-producer-can-t-find-his-own-game-223465.phtml#comment (http://www.destructoid.com/blades-of-time-s-producer-can-t-find-his-own-game-223465.phtml#comment)
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Post by: Flame on March 09, 2012, 12:41:23 PM
Castlevania with Square Enix?

Nooooo thank you. I'd rather NOT have Trevor Beltmont back.
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Post by: Sumac on March 09, 2012, 02:40:09 PM
Quote
http://www.destructoid.com/blades-of-time-s-producer-can-t-find-his-own-game-223465.phtml#comment
This is strange and sad.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 10, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
Castlevania with Square Enix?

Nooooo thank you. I'd rather NOT have Trevor Beltmont back.
Say what you want about SE, but Eidos is great, and Eidos is SE Europe now.
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Post by: JR on March 11, 2012, 03:06:29 AM
I'm more worried everyday about Castlevania being a Konami franchise, hey konami, could you not handle it to Square Enix? please?
http://www.destructoid.com/blades-of-time-s-producer-can-t-find-his-own-game-223465.phtml#comment (http://www.destructoid.com/blades-of-time-s-producer-can-t-find-his-own-game-223465.phtml#comment)

I just read a quote from the comments which sums up my feelings perfectly:
Quote
Damn, I feel I should get this, if only to give more a shit than Konami's marketing team.

But then again, this is the company that officially announced the release of one of its games a full week after it actually hit the market. So I can't say I'm too surprised.
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Post by: soma555 on March 14, 2012, 06:18:32 AM
From Dave Cox Twitter

Guess what we are doing today :)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1-05.twitpicproxy.com%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2F537778900.jpg%3Fkey%3D16321216&hash=076f476d46edf788bdfffc8649addac6)
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Post by: beingthehero on March 14, 2012, 07:35:17 AM
That's going to make for one awesome push-up QTE.
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Post by: Sumac on March 14, 2012, 07:42:05 AM
What with the poster on the background?
It reminds me about that adverisement in magazine, that was recently posted here.
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Post by: soma555 on March 14, 2012, 09:45:39 AM
From Dave Cox Twitter

We are in deepest, darkest Oxfordshire with Audiomotion :)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1-03.twitpicproxy.com%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2F537902782.jpg%3Fkey%3D12161632&hash=1ae29f04847eb25d22144af8d3a530ce)
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Post by: Nagumo on March 14, 2012, 09:49:32 AM
Ah, the infamous plank walking. 
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Post by: shelverton. on March 14, 2012, 09:55:58 AM
So we're walking planks once more. Is this even for Castlevania? I wonder why he's doing push-ups. I also wonder why they wanna start from scratch and not reuse animations from LoS? Everyone looks the same when they walk a plank.
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Post by: crisis on March 14, 2012, 10:02:15 AM
Am I the only one that feels all this super high-tech motion-capture work is unnecessary? Why does every single thing have to be 100% realistic nowadays? All that equipment looks too cumbersome, and it seems it's more work than fun. Next we'll be reading how the game will be running at 100 frames per second, with the employees constantly working tirelessly just to animate Gabriel's hair properly. Don't get me wrong, I realize a lot of this stuff is required to live up to industry "standards," but I think they're going a tad bit overboard with the game making process in general. Videogames shouldn't have the budget of James Cameron Hollywood movies; it's all about the fun factor, not how "visually impressive stereoscopic 3D" it aspires to be.

Anyway, still waiting for a teaser trailer, or something that shows us "this is Castlevania." Don't care about all these behind-the-scenes pics that don't show anything.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 14, 2012, 10:47:04 AM
Looks nice. Looking forward a real trailer or even a little teaser!
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Post by: Kingshango on March 14, 2012, 10:54:01 AM
So we're walking planks once more. Is this even for Castlevania? I wonder why he's doing push-ups. I also wonder why they wanna start from scratch and not reuse animations from LoS? Everyone looks the same when they walk a plank.

I guess they want to refine the animation rather than just reuse the old animation.

Anyway, this at least kinda implies that platforming will more or less be the same, so I wont be surprised if the shimmying will return. (Sorry Munchy)

This could also mean that the protagonist will be human cause Dracula could just teleport  across a pit.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 14, 2012, 11:00:56 AM
Dave Cox said they would use a new technology for the new game IIRC.
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Post by: uzo on March 14, 2012, 11:19:21 AM
That's going to make for one awesome push-up QTE.

XD Nice one.

I also wonder why they wanna start from scratch and not reuse animations from LoS?

New playable character I'd imagine. Even if the general animation is the same, each gesture and quirk helps make the character that much more unique.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 14, 2012, 11:27:01 AM
New playable character

Altair Belmont!
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Post by: uzo on March 14, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
BELMONT'S
     C R E E D
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Post by: beingthehero on March 14, 2012, 11:41:23 AM
D-don't

Also, using mo-cap isn't anything new, since it's been around since Mortal Kombat in some form or another.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 14, 2012, 12:29:35 PM
BELMONT'S
     C R E E D


You know what, why the hell not?

I mean, they already ripped off God of Wars combat style and since Gabriel destroyed the chain whip that means the combat system has to be retooled, so might as well rip off a well grounded combat style this time around.

If not like Assasins Creed then at least like Arkham City, which is what the sequel is rumored to be structured like. Yeah I know it would still be ripping of but at least it's better than flailing a chain around aimlessly.
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Post by: Flame on March 14, 2012, 01:17:04 PM
Didnt Cox say that the Combat Cross would not be the replacement for Vampire killer or something, Implying that there will be a different whip?
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Post by: crisis on March 14, 2012, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: beingthehero
Also, using mo-cap isn't anything new, since it's been around since Mortal Kombat in some form or another.

why do yuo try to embarrass me in front of my friends all the time ?  >:(
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Post by: C Belmont on March 14, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
Quote
Didnt Cox say that the Combat Cross would not be the replacement for Vampire killer or something, Implying that there will be a different whip?

I don't recall him making any comments like that
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Post by: Munchy on March 14, 2012, 01:49:54 PM
Anyway, this at least kinda implies that platforming will more or less be the same, so I wont be surprised if the shimmying will return. (Sorry Munchy)

I expected as much; wall shimmying and plank balancing are this game's version of stairs/ropes in the old ones. I just hope they give you some more mobility options this time around, like being able to double jump from a ledge or a plank. So you can be more agile and make stuff go faster.
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Post by: jestercolony on March 14, 2012, 03:28:52 PM
So we're walking planks once more. Is this even for Castlevania? I wonder why he's doing push-ups. I also wonder why they wanna start from scratch and not reuse animations from LoS? Everyone looks the same when they walk a plank.

Because it was stated by Cox himself via twitter that the engine used for LoS is in fact an old one developed by MS. If they are re-animating it like this, they have created a new engine for the sequel.
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Post by: Dremn on March 14, 2012, 03:50:36 PM
This could also mean that the protagonist will be human cause Dracula could just teleport  across a pit.
I wonder who the new Belmont is, if it is a Belmont. I have a feeling it will be Simon.

This could also mean better animations for using the whip properly instead of flailing it around like Kratos.

I didn't mind the platforming in LoS, if the sequel has more platforming like Reverie's then I'm all up for it. Just no lengthy shimmying sections like the end of Reverie, ugh.
BELMONT'S
     C R E E D

You know, if the platforming is anything like Assassin's Creed, I would be completely ok with that. Everytime I see that game I always imagine a Castlevania game playing like it.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Maedhros on March 14, 2012, 10:01:07 PM
There no platforming on Assassins Creed. Unless you guys call wall shimmying platforming.

IMO, 3D platforming is what Mario does.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 14, 2012, 10:06:35 PM
Arkham City Platforming is perfect Platfotming
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Munchy on March 14, 2012, 10:30:38 PM
There no platforming on Assassins Creed. Unless you guys call wall shimmying platforming.

IMO, 3D platforming is what Mario does.

I tend to agree, but AC does at least try to spice up the climbing a bit; for example, the newest one (Revelations?) had that hook thing that greatly increased the amount of wall you could scale with each leap. I'd like LoS2 to do something similar, just make the wall navigation smoother and much more agile.

More than this platforming, what would be awesome from AC in LoS2 is the sheer scale of architecture you can climb, which would be amazing coupled with, say, the Castle part (provided the inside is as big and intimidating as the outside).

But I'd heavily prefer the "jumping between platforms" kind. I did love the parts of running across water in the Reverie DLC... that entire part had me humming the Stage 4 BGM in CV1.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 14, 2012, 10:46:24 PM
Arkham City Platforming is perfect Platfotming
I agree with this.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 15, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
In certain parts of LoS you could sort of shimmy-leap across walls, but you couldnt do it everywhere, which was odd. I found myself trying to do that quick shimmy often and finding that i couldnt do it. LoS wall shimmying might have been better with some more agility.

Or not forcing it in parts where jumping down and avoiding the shimmying/wall scaling would normally be an alternative. I recall a few sections in Agharta where I thought "cant I just jump down?" and found that no, if you do that, you die.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on March 15, 2012, 03:48:11 PM
I would like more use with the whip incorporated into platforming. Maybe expand on being able to swing with the whip in some way.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 15, 2012, 07:06:26 PM
That would be neat.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 16, 2012, 09:36:59 AM
I would like more use with the whip incorporated into platforming. Maybe expand on being able to swing with the whip in some way.

You mean something akin to LOI whip platforming?

Even though lament of innocence had a severe lack of platforming the actual platforming parts involving the whip (particularly the palce of waterfalls level) where actually pretty fun.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Chernabogue on March 16, 2012, 11:31:07 PM
Platforming with a whip reminds me A LOT of Catwoman's gameplay in Arkham City. Though it was a bit boring compared to Batman's, IMO.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 17, 2012, 08:49:24 AM
You mean something akin to LOI whip platforming?

Even though lament of innocence had a severe lack of platforming the actual platforming parts involving the whip (particularly the palce of waterfalls level) where actually pretty fun.
I barely recall any whip platforming in LoI outside of whipping off of poles.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Soulsteal on March 17, 2012, 11:37:58 AM
LoS sucked anyway, it had nothing to do with Castlevania whatsoever,
In all honesty, I would prefer a Circle Of Moon remake (God that game was awsome) over a sequel to a game that had nothing to do with the name it was given.

~Soulsteal
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 17, 2012, 12:14:38 PM
I barely recall any whip platforming in LoI outside of whipping off of poles.

Than you obviously never fought the Ice Elemental in the Palace of Waterfalls level...


Or you simply did not play the game all the way through...

Or its just been a while since you have played the game lol.
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Post by: thernz on March 17, 2012, 01:20:10 PM
Whipping off railings is basically the same as whipping off of poles. It wasn't even that particularly fun because of how clunky the engine was.

imo

It was pretty weird that he whipped off of them instead of swinging too.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 17, 2012, 02:00:33 PM
LoS sucked anyway, it had nothing to do with Castlevania whatsoever,
In all honesty, I would prefer a Circle Of Moon remake (God that game was awsome) over a sequel to a game that had nothing to do with the name it was given.

~Soulsteal

0/10 try again

Whipping off railings is basically the same as whipping off of poles. It wasn't even that particularly fun because of how clunky the engine was.

imo

It was pretty weird that he whipped off of them instead of swinging too.

Yeah... Rail/pole whipping was a bit too clunky... It didnt work too smoothly at all and sometimes didnt work when it was supposed it. It was annoying and kind of insignificant in the grand scale of the game. Theres only like, what, 3 or 4 areas you ever need it?

I can recall 3 instances: the House of Sacred Remains, where you have to pole whip over an electrical thing, Dark palace of Waterfalls to get up to the Ice elemental, (therefore entirely optional, mind you) and in the Garden stage, to get over a broken bridge thing.

5 only if you count the tutorial level which uses it twice.

Actually, isnt the instance in the Garden also optional to get to something?

LoS on the other hand, uses it far more, and to better extent. You actually whip across bottomless chasms, scale walls, etc. And it was far more fluent and not as shoehorned in as "oh hey here's an electrical trap for no other reason than to make you use that one ability"


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Than you obviously never fought the Ice Elemental in the Palace of Waterfalls level...


Or you simply did not play the game all the way through...

Or its just been a while since you have played the game lol.
It's been a while. But the whip platforming was so mind numbingly useless outside of a few gimmick sections, that I barely remembered it.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 17, 2012, 02:07:07 PM
Whipping off railings is basically the same as whipping off of poles.

I disagree.

With the polls you only got to whip straight across from poll to poll or straight up to another poll. But the railing part of the Waterfall level added more to simply just whipping up or across. You had to whip from ledge to ledge that where placed in inconvenient spots that where not so easy to reach as the rail pole whipping parts of the game.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 17, 2012, 02:16:39 PM
It's the same exact mechanic, the same exact animation, it's the same thing. Only difference being the pole whipping was a ton more gimmicky and shoehorned. Really, for the amount of times you use it, it might as well not be there. Feels like they just decided to add it in at the last second and added a quick few sections to use it.

You want real Whip platforming, look at Bloodlines or SC4, where it is actually used better. Or hell, even LoS. But then again, LoS is largely inspired by SC4.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: thernz on March 17, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
Yeah, same mechanic. Just different level design. The garden was the only one I really liked.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 17, 2012, 03:08:53 PM
Never said it was not the same mechanic.

just said that the method between the 2 are different.

One you have polls where you have a "1 way" direction to whip while with the rails part you had to whip from different ledges set in different places.

Obviously 2 different methods while using the same "mechanic.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on March 17, 2012, 04:26:16 PM
You want real Whip platforming, look at Bloodlines or SC4, where it is actually used better. Or hell, even LoS. But then again, LoS is largely inspired by SC4.
Man Bloodlines had some amazing moments in platforming, great game.

I'll prefer anything as long as it isn't that barren PS1 era shit we got in LoS's last major area before Satan. That was hands down the worst part of the game. The Dracolich made it even more infuriating, just bad design all around.

LoI was a neat game, not the greatest, but it felt more like a Castlevania game than LoS did. It managed to incorporate candle whipping and pot roast into it too. I still see no reason why candle whipping and pot roast can't be put into LoS's gameplay.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Kingshango on March 17, 2012, 05:09:10 PM
The health fountains will return, no doubt about it ( I wish they weren't but im being realistic). 

The closest thing we could ever get to meat being a health source would be if Dracula is the protag and feeding on his enemies or humans like a piece of meat draining the life out of them. Mercurysteam already has the feeding mechanic, wouldn't surprise me if they used it again.

I do want pot roast in candles or in walls but they wont, they  just....wont.
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Post by: Dremn on March 17, 2012, 05:22:36 PM
The silly things like pot roast were what made Konami games feel like Konami games back then. I mean, if MGS can having rotating boxes of rations for health, why can't Mercury Steam put in pot roast hidden in walls and objects?

It's not a big deal to get fussy over, but it's still one of those things that made Castlevania, Castlevania.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Kingshango on March 17, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
And Mercurysteam is hell bent on making the Lords of Shadow arc as different from the old Castlevania's as humanely possible and are not at all afraid to not used items in a traditional matter. 

I do however see hearts coming into play, like as one of the collectable items to upgrade health to replace the gems.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 17, 2012, 06:55:39 PM
You can whip candles in LoS. Did none of you ever do that in the castle? And I think the Wygol Monastery too.

Also, funny, LoS feels plenty like Castlevania to me. Maybe it's just different strokes for different folks as far as what makes a game feel like Castlevania but it seems to me like the majority of the people who complain it isnt Castlevania enough have not payed any attention to the similarities it shares with Classicvanias or are newer fans that came into the series with Metroidvanias, which LoS shares NOTHING with, and therefore see it as alien because it doesnt have the elements that have defined the series for the last decade. (HE HAS STUBBLE, RUINED FOREVER.)

LoS is basically a Classicvania dressed in 3D HD clothes. And it really surprises me how much people just dont notice not only the basic castlevania elements it has, (weapons, enemies and such,) but the more subtle ones like stages and certain gameplay ideas.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on March 17, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
Man Bloodlines had some amazing moments in platforming, great game.
 I still see no reason why candle whipping and pot roast can't be put into LoS's gameplay.
1- Is completely ridiculous out of context archaic and unecessary adition (It was "included" when the Butcherer ate pot roast to replenigh its health, do you want more?)

2- GOD DAMN IT PLAY THE FUCKING CASTLE LEVEL AND WHIP YOUR FUCKING CANDLES ONCE AND FOR ALL DAMN IT!!

:deep breath:

P.S: Not a fan of the new thread grading or user respect forum systems.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on March 17, 2012, 07:25:19 PM
1- Is completely ridiculous out of context archaic and unecessary addition
I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion. I don't find the health fountains ripped out of God of War that necessary either.

Yes, there was candle whipping in the castle, but they were confined to areas they felt "appropriate" in, and the overly realistic and gritty tone this reboot is going for is one of the things I'm not a fan of. Design decisions like that take away from the feeling of a video game feeling like a video game to me, but different strokes, different audiences.

The little nods toward familiar Castlevania elements aren't all that charming or appreciated either, what's the point of "teasing" us about them when you could just incorporate them into the game?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Kingshango on March 17, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
I think we can all agree that it could have been worse, they could have went with regenerating health. *shudders*
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: uzo on March 17, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
P.S: Not a fan of the new thread grading or user respect forum systems.

Awww now why would that be? You wouldn't be getting your ass handed to you for your unpopular opinions now would you?

EDIT: I bet Ahasverus gave me the -1 rating. Haha.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Reinhart77 on March 17, 2012, 10:32:08 PM
what are the chances that the next installment of Mercury Steam Castlevania will be a re-imagining of Dracula's Curse, followed by remakes of Castlevania The Adventure, Castlevania, Rondo of Blood, Brahm Stoker's Dracula, and the Demon Castle Wars?  i'll consider Lords of Shadow as a re-imagining of Lament of Innocence for illustration of what i mean by re-imagining.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 17, 2012, 11:51:42 PM
Wouldnt surprise me if they basically did something like that, I mean their first game and they decided to go for an origin story set before even Lament's time frame. With familiar names like Cronqvist and such.

Maybe the next game will be just Castlevania 1, since that's what their original idea was.

On the thread rating system:

the stars seem horribly out of place, why not make it hearts or something?
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Post by: Reinhart77 on March 18, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
On the thread rating system:

the stars seem horribly out of place, why not make it hearts or something?
The next CV game could use a respect system.  Gabriel has to earn a certain amount of respect before his minions join his team.  Or not.  I wonder if Gabriel killing everybody in Lords of Shadow was him building his army.  He takes them down, then Death brings them back up and they then have to do whatever Drac tells them to. 
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Post by: crisis on March 18, 2012, 01:23:13 AM
About the Stars rating system:

It's a nostalgia thing. n00bs wouldn't understand.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Sumac on March 18, 2012, 02:45:20 AM
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Yes, there was candle whipping in the castle, but they were confined to areas they felt "appropriate" in, and the overly realistic and gritty tone this reboot is going for is one of the things I'm not a fan of. Design decisions like that take away from the feeling of a video game feeling like a video game to me, but different strokes, different audiences.
Design decision like this actually does make game better for me. Since in realistic graphic in somewhat serious etting floating candles in random places would look...pretty strange to say the least.
And as far as I remember, CV64 / LOD also hadn't traditional candles. Instead of them there were some stantionary torches. But no one tells that it didn't felt like Castlevania...
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Post by: Flame on March 18, 2012, 08:16:08 AM
In LoS traditional candles are replaced by other manner of breakable objects. Like small statues. then when you get to areas where candles are appropriate, they are available. Would be odd to see candles on a random cliffside of Agharta.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 18, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Awww now why would that be? You wouldn't be getting your ass handed to you for your unpopular opinions now would you?

EDIT: I bet Ahasverus gave me the -1 rating. Haha.
Ehmm no, I just logged in, but for the lulz I will give my most respected forum member ,Reinhart, a -1, just to show how ridculous this is :P
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Munchy on March 18, 2012, 04:25:37 PM
The next CV game could use a respect system.  Gabriel has to earn a certain amount of respect before his minions join his team.  Or not.  I wonder if Gabriel killing everybody in Lords of Shadow was him building his army.  He takes them down, then Death brings them back up and they then have to do whatever Drac tells them to.

I dunno... don't think they'd exactly be on speaking terms after the whole betrayal thing.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on March 18, 2012, 04:44:27 PM
I dunno... don't think they'd exactly be on speaking terms after the whole betrayal thing.
The whole cure for inmortality bribe?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 19, 2012, 12:51:19 AM
Gabriel doesnt seem too interested in seeing Zobek in the epilogue. Hell, he tries to get a midnight snack out of him.

However, Im still pretty sure that during the course of the actual timeline, he may very well be Gabuella's death. I mean, Epilogue Gabe is angsty emo tired Drac. the one at the end of the dlc however, is heartless godless dragon Drac.  (AKA in the epilogue he is closer to how he was in the game to what he became)
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Post by: Dremn on March 19, 2012, 01:00:11 AM
If Zobek is Death, he better look like Death instead of what he looked like at the end of LoS. The Necromancers resembled Death more than Zobek.
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Post by: Flame on March 19, 2012, 10:20:19 AM
Im kind of wondering what his face looks like in his Lord of Shadow form. After all, when he appears, h is wearing the Devil mask over it. maybe his face is zombified under it?
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 19, 2012, 11:06:24 AM
Dunno, I liked Zobek's looks with the robe and the mask, it looked like a refined version of the typical death, also, are you not tired of skull reapers? O.o

And, of course, he has a 2nd form, they all do!
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 19, 2012, 12:15:01 PM
also, are you not tired of skull reapers? O.o



no.
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Post by: Dremn on March 19, 2012, 12:58:44 PM
Dunno, I liked Zobek's looks with the robe and the mask, it looked like a refined version of the typical death, also, are you not tired of skull reapers? O.o
Man I am really starting to think you are just super biased for this game.

And no, why would I be? Death's image is way too iconic to change up, it's perfect as it is.
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Post by: GummiCandyful on March 19, 2012, 01:02:39 PM
no.

Same, I like my Grim Reapers traditional. Besides, Death is my favorite CV villain-likewise I would have a partiality towards his original look.

The only one that I can think of that I didn't like, was his design in Judgment; it seemed like Obata was more concerned with making the CV cast look like his Death Note characters, rather than being consistent with the series.
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Post by: crisis on March 19, 2012, 01:54:15 PM
give Zobek/"Lord of the Dead" a lightsaber & he may be able to pass for Darth Nihilus from SW


(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2Flod.png&hash=09c80f310bfd1f1d26fd7f0abc03ae9a)(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2F2%2F22395%2F404054-59669-darth-nihilus.jpg&hash=7ec0d5332b2f1092d9f84c2ee9590ed1)


lol
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Post by: Kingshango on March 19, 2012, 02:30:21 PM
When you think about it out of the three lords, Zobek got the best deal. While Cornell and Camilla got power and immortality, they could still be killed off permanently. Zobek on the other hand got the power of immortality, the power to control the spiritual passage between heaven and Earth, he can resurrect himself and he can kill anybody regardless of weather they're immortal or not.

The other lords are just a giant werewolf pack leader and a vampire queen while Zobek is the basically the physical avatar of Death.
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Post by: Sumac on March 19, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
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Same, I like my Grim Reapers traditional.
Considering that Reaper changed his appearance practically in every game, he is hardly have traditional look besides general description of being "figure / skeleton in a robe". And Zobek fits that descriprion for that matter. So, I don't see any problem with his LOS appearance.
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Post by: Munchy on March 19, 2012, 03:04:43 PM
Zobek resembles Dracula's CV2 form, which is pretty cool. I'd be happy if he just got a scythe and related attacks, since that form looks a lot like Death anyway.
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Post by: crisis on March 19, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
A more accurate title for him should've been "Lord of the Necromancers," since that's what he really is. It's funny how he had no idea Satan was manipulating him.


The "traditional" Death never needed an origin story; he simply IS, always has and always will be.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 19, 2012, 04:50:38 PM


The "traditional" Death never needed an origin story; he simply IS, always has and always will be.

This^^^

I hate the idea of death once being a "human" instead of being just that DEATH from the very beginning.

Death from the original CV series was the type of Death that has always been around since the beginning.

LOS's death once being a human just dampers the hype that comes with being the Grim Reaper of Death.
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Post by: flyingchai on March 19, 2012, 05:13:06 PM
Gabriel doesnt seem too interested in seeing Zobek in the epilogue. Hell, he tries to get a midnight snack out of him.


I never did ask Cox about it, but considering that Zobek is Death, I theorized that the primary reason Gabriel tried bite Zobek was that he thought he'd be able to off himself once and for all by drinking Death's blood. Then again, this is a game and mayble I'm getting too logical.
I'm sure just being royally pissed about the whole situation was part his motive.  :P
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on March 19, 2012, 05:30:16 PM
In old lore, Death is actually the Angel Azrael/Azriel.
He is an avenging angel.  In some other cultures, although he's not evil, he is 'the embodiment of evil'.
Exists in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Sikhism.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 19, 2012, 05:39:05 PM
In old lore, Death is actually the Angel Azrael/Azriel.
He is an avenging angel.  In some other cultures, although he's not evil, he is 'the embodiment of evil'.
Exists in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Sikhism.
This, thanks Jorge!
I was coming to post about this, Death in CV is NOT death itself, it's the angel of death or the lord of death whatever, but not Death, lords of the death in LoS is not far fetched according to the old lore.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 19, 2012, 05:41:17 PM
I dont think that Zobek is THE Grim Reaper but rather a necromancer that has dark powers that transended god hood when Satan boosted his dark powers. Satan pretty much allowed Zobek's power to evolve to a point where he became the physical avatar of Death.

Zobek is basically the Castlevania version of Dr. Manhattan. :o




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Post by: Flame on March 19, 2012, 05:46:41 PM
I'd still like to know who The Angel of Death is Dracula's confidante.

I prefer to think that he is in fact just a very powerful necromancer, or one of many beings, like the Japanese Shinigami.

I have the idea that if he was the grim reaper, humanity would have already lost a long time ago. I mean seriously.
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Post by: Rugal on March 20, 2012, 07:07:16 AM
I miss the days where you just walk into Death's room and he just murders your ass instilling fear in you instantly. Cut this back story bullshit. Death is Death. He doesn't give a damn. He just wants you dead. The fact that there was no Death boss fight in LoS completely ruined the game for me because I was looking forward to it the entire time.
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Post by: Flame on March 20, 2012, 08:35:18 AM
Then go back to playing the old classics then.

I for one dont mind some change in my vania. If it can tell my why exactly Death is Dracula's confidante, Im all for it.

People IMO, need to step out of the past and accept that things change and evolve. besides, it's just one game so far. One which is supposed to be an origin story. Who knows what the next game will be like. And personally, I found the way they handled Death to be interesting. There are 3 facets to it- The Necromancers, who control it, the reaper things, which are the physical manifestations of the force called death and take the appearance which the viewer imagines,(most commonly the "grim reaper" figure) and Zobek, who is so powerful he is practically unkillable,(even Satan himself couldnt kill him, since he's alive in the epilogue, suggesting he eventually revived from that death) and is the master of the Death "force"- and all the Necromancers serve under him.

Also, Death has never been too threatening. Just another cool looking lackey who is incredibly hard to beat. Only perhaps LoI, where he was the final boss, did he actually feel threatening.
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Post by: A-Yty on March 20, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
When it comes to entertainment, especially something like video games, people don't need to accept anything that they don't like.

I don't mean to be a dick, but it's surprising that reading the need to "stop living in the past and accepting change" hasn't turned into a CVDF drinking game by now. It has been written so many times after the release of LoS it's almost the equivalent of taking an arrow in the knee.
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Post by: crisis on March 20, 2012, 09:51:01 AM
Have you guys heard Michael Bay's reboot of TMNT includes an entirely different origin? They're gonna be aliens from another planet now, instead of mutants from the sewer.



ACCEPT CHANGE
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 20, 2012, 09:53:35 AM
Have you guys heard Michael Bay's reboot of TMNT includes an entirely different origin? They're gonna be aliens from another planet now, instead of mutants from the sewer.



ACCEPT CHANGE
Now that's a travesty,and hey, we know it's the Pearl harbor guy. HOwever people will like the new fdirection, don't like it? don¿t buy the ticket and read the comics, don't like LoS? Don't buy it and keep playing the olds ones, Tadaaa!!
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 20, 2012, 10:01:50 AM
NEW REBOOT IDEA

Spider man is no longer has spider powers but instead can shoot fake elastic web out of his butthole

ACCEPT CHANGE OR LEAVE


NEW REBOOT IDEA

Sonic is no longer a Hedgehog and instead will be a roadrunner who speaks spanish

ACCEPT CHANGE OR LEAVE


NEW REBOOT IDEA

Mario is no longer a plumber and will instead be a male stripper who fights prostitutes and pimps on street corners and his secrete hideout is in the sewers

ACCEPT CHANGE OR LEAVE


My point?

It not always the best idea to accept all changes.

Don't look down your nose at people like "oh you can't accept change, your so close minded! Just go and play your classic games and leave LOS alone!"
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 20, 2012, 10:06:04 AM
Hahaha you gave a good laugh  ;D

Eh, no LoS changes were as drastic as those, hyperbole much? If the most irked aspect is the Belmont Dracula thing, think that many, and by many I mean MANY fans think Alucard is Trevor's father meaning the Belmonts in many people's minds are already Dracula descendants. I can't think in any other big difference to the old series, at all.
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Post by: A-Yty on March 20, 2012, 10:11:43 AM
Déjà freaking vu.
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Post by: Sumac on March 20, 2012, 10:12:31 AM
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Death from the original CV series was the type of Death that has always been around since the beginning.
I don't think so, because if that was the case, as Flame said, then humanity wouldn't stand a chance. Reaper could simply kill them all in one blast and that's it. His power as ultimate force of nature should have allowed him to do so.
It more lilkely that Reaper from CV either some sort of Reaper's avatar and has only small part of his actual power or he is not THAT Grim Reaper at all and some sort of demi-god thing that poses himself as creature from folklore.

I wish we could learn more about his real motives of helping Dracula, since it was hinted in Judgement that Reaper just using Dracula to further his own goals, but alas, it was just another small hint for something BIG that never will be explained properly because of "awesome" IGA-storytelling.

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When it comes to entertainment, especially something like video games, people don't need to accept anything that they don't like.
It's not about disliking, it's more about being repetetive as broken record in an effort to once again remind your opinion.

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Have you guys heard Michael Bay's reboot of TMNT includes an entirely different origin? They're gonna be aliens from another planet now, instead of mutants from the sewer.
ACCEPT CHANGE
This change is quite unneccesary to say the least. Besides given the quality of the stories in Bay's movies (or lack of thereof) there is serious possibility of said movie being shit, just like Transformers. With ot without storyline changes.

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NEW REBOOT IDEA
Funny and smart. And relevant to the topic at hand. Just as always. Not.  :-X
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 20, 2012, 10:13:34 AM
If the most irked aspect is the Belmont Dracula thing, think that many, and by many I mean MANY fans think Alucard is Trevor's father meaning the Belmonts in many people's minds are already Dracula descendants. I can't think in any other big difference to the old series, at all.

erm yea, to bad Legends was put in the "non canon" part of CV history.

So your argument=flawed.


Funny and smart. And relevant to the topic at hand. Just as always. Not.  :-X


pompous and douche'like. And trying to start yet another argument with me. Just as always. Yea. :-X
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Post by: Kingshango on March 20, 2012, 10:20:20 AM
The lack of real Castlevania news is making this forum revert to old long LONG dead arguments.

Might as well be playing this in the background till June 5:

Super Mario 64 Music - Looping Steps (Endless Stairs) EXTENDED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wp3rzAdwT8#)
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Post by: Flame on March 20, 2012, 10:24:16 AM
The reason I say accept the fact that things change is because

A: There is very little that can be done to change Konami's mind,

And,

B: The argument I always hear is "remember back when", or " I miss the old days"

And it's a nostalgia attitude that really bothers me, because when taken seriously, can result in games like Mega Man 9 and 10, which are slobbering all over Mega Man 2's dick and riding on 8 bit MM2 nostalgia alone. Same for the Bad Box Art. and both have as we have seen there is no MM11, worn out their nostalgia factor.

I understand that people, especially gamers- hate change, but the fact is, Symphony of the Night did the same goddamn thing, changing everything people knew and took for granted about Castlevania, and it's hailed as the greatest game in the series.

Granted- a Reboot is a slightly different beast, but still, its like people just don't see or ignore the Castlevania elements LoS has simply because it is not the same thing they have known for the past decade or so. Simply and for no other reason than because it is a new continuity and doesn't follow the old one to the letter.

I mean, different strokes and such, I see it as a Classicvania in 3D while others see it as a blasphemy worthy of lynching Konami, but the "GOOD OL' DAYS" argument just doesn't do it for me as a valid reason for disliking a game. because all that tells me is you dislike it because it's new and different, and nothing more.
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Post by: Sumac on March 20, 2012, 10:32:04 AM
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erm yea, to bad Legends was put in the "non canon" part of CV history.
Learn your math.
CVL possibly hinted (it never ever was proved) that Trevor Belmont is the Dracula's grandson. However being Belmont - Grandson of the Dracula and Belmont = Dracula are not the same thing.
So your argument is flawed.
Bye-bye.  :P

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I mean, different strokes and such, I see it as a Classicvania in 3D while others see it as a blasphemy worthy of lynching Konami, but the "GOOD OL' DAYS" argument just doesn't do it for me as a valid reason for disliking a game. because all that tells me is you dislike it because it's new and different, and nothing more.
Truth as it is.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 20, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
Learn your math.
CVL possibly hinted (it never ever was proved) that Trevor Belmont is the Dracula's grandson. However being Belmont - Grandson of the Dracula and Belmont = Dracula are not the same thing.
So your argument is flawed.
Bye-bye.  :P
Truth as it is.

Learn to read.
I know what CVL was hinting at. I never said that it did not hint at that possibility. But it was place in the "non canon" part of the games when IGA and Konami released the official CV timeline.

So your argument is pointless...




I understand that people, especially gamers- hate change, but the fact is, Symphony of the Night did the same goddamn thing, changing everything people knew and took for granted about Castlevania, and it's hailed as the greatest game in the series.


woah woah woah there, easy there cowboy.

changed EVERYTHING?

The only thing that was changes was the gameplay mechanics If I recall correctly....unless you know something I do not.

classic Enemies where still there
storyline was still there
classic areas like the clocktower,castle keep, and main halls where still there.
classic music was still there.
classic characters where still there

So yea, didn't really change as much as LOS did at all.

And I don't think people hate ALL change.

Just the change LOS  brought about.

I for one loved the changes that came with the Batman reboots.

Its all a mater of personal taste really.
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Post by: uzo on March 20, 2012, 10:43:33 AM
Just because change is new doesn't mean it's acceptable or good.

Likewise, just because the past is established, doesn't make it good or acceptable.

"Get with the times" has never been a valid argument in itself.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 20, 2012, 10:53:33 AM
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classic Enemies where still there
storyline was still there
classic areas like the clocktower,castle keep, and main halls where still there.
classic music was still there.
classic characters where still there
Oh yes they were, SOTN must be given the Greenpeace lifetime award for ROB recycling.
(and FFS, we all know everything sans Storyline you mention there are in LoS too, stop beating a dead horse You-Can't-Win this argument, never, ever.)

Can we get back on topic please? What about the new moCap photos? Intriguing!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1-05.twitpicproxy.com%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2F537778900.jpg%3Fkey%3D16321216&hash=076f476d46edf788bdfffc8649addac6)

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1-03.twitpicproxy.com%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2F537902782.jpg%3Fkey%3D12161632&hash=1ae29f04847eb25d22144af8d3a530ce)
^This one looks like the walking on wood animation.

I'm glad they are making new animations, that shows they are not lazy, and it could be hinting that the new characters IS NOT Gabriel Belmont.
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Post by: A-Yty on March 20, 2012, 10:54:58 AM
A: There is very little that can be done to change Konami's mind

Aand..so what? That doesn't mean people should say they like something they actually don't like.

As for Death..I personally like him better as a mysterious god-like entity. I don't want to see him in a flashback as a kid skeleton who daydreams in Grim Reaper Elementary School that he will one day serve a mortal turned vampire lord. I don't want to know too many details.

But hey..what's wrong with this; "IGA hinted Death has his own motives, which is cool. But he never told what that motive was, so it's just another crappy IGA stunt ".

To me, it sounds reasonable for a series whose story and mythology has lived on like CV's has. It's also a smart move from a guy who has admitted he doesn't like creating plots.

I think this is less about what used to be and more about what could be. People don't necessarily long for whippable candles, medusa heads and wall meats just because they used to be there. They mention them because they're small bits that made CV stand out. LoS didn't just ignore them - it had little to nothing to offer instead of things like that. It had neither the interesting new elements nor did it properly acknowledge the original materials.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 20, 2012, 10:56:36 AM
Oh yes they were, SOTN must be given the Greenpeace lifetime award for ROB recycling.

Can we get back on topic please? What about the new moCap photos? Intriguing!

Oh yes they were, SOTN must be given the Greenpeace lifetime award for ROB recycling.

My point still stands,

Comparing the changes that came with CVSOTN with the changes that came with LOS just seems like a big stretch to me.

Saying that CVSOTN did the EXACT same thing LOS did and changed just as much stuff as LOS did just seems ridiculous IMO.

Not denying the recycling that happened, but at least they kept alot fo the original CV lore in it.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 20, 2012, 10:58:30 AM
^^^^^

The Photos the Photos in topic please!!
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 20, 2012, 01:25:16 PM
The photos just prove there'll be more plank walking & shimmying, which a lot of us here didn't like in the first place.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 20, 2012, 01:52:31 PM
How bout this, can we discuss the possibly of there being two Lords of Shadow sequels revealed at E3 this year? One being a Metroidvania like Order of Ecclesia for the 3DS and the console sequel that's non liner like Arkham City? That is what we should really be talking about.

I didn't think Mercurysteam was that big of a studio to work on two games at the same time.
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Post by: thernz on March 20, 2012, 02:37:55 PM
Lords 2 actually to be on 3DS.

Didn't Cox mention the 3DS before anyway? Maybe they might make a Lords-esque game on the platform. It's probably powerful enough. I can't imagine them doing a 2D game, considering their history.
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Post by: uzo on March 20, 2012, 03:04:42 PM
Didn't Cox mention the 3DS before anyway?

The project got canned.
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Post by: Sumac on March 20, 2012, 03:07:29 PM
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But it was place in the "non canon" part of the games when IGA and Konami released the official CV timeline.

So your argument is pointless...
LOS is another timeline. Just like CVL. So your argument doesn't make sense.
Have a nice day.

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classic Enemies where still there
classic areas were still there
classic music was still there.
classic characters where still there
The same is true for LOS.
So, there Cowboy. =)

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But hey..what's wrong with this; "IGA hinted Death has his own motives, which is cool. But he never told what that motive was, so it's just another crappy IGA stunt ".
To me, it sounds reasonable for a series whose story and mythology has lived on like CV's has. It's also a smart move from a guy who has admitted he doesn't like creating plots.
It's bad for two simple reasons:
1) Hinting at some very important plot point and never explaining it, is shitty storytelling, not some "deep-meta" stuff. At least when it comes to Castlevania, which always had simple plots and never pretend to be deep and thought-provoking. If you hinted at something, please, explain. If you don't want to do it, then you shouldn't hint at it in the first place.
2) It not the first time when IGA made hinted at something important storywise and then completely abandoned idea. Time travelers? Secret behind inability of Belmonts to use Vampire Killer? What's the deal with Galamoth? More than once he could explain it, especially in the games that were relevant to the issue at hand (POR, OOE), but...nope.
The fact that he doesn't like to make stories is not an excuse. If he doesn't like make stories fine, but if he absolutely must to write it, than why not ask someone else to help, instead of butchering what could be otherwise interesting story with his own lazyness and carelessness.
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 20, 2012, 03:14:04 PM
EDIT

Not worth it.......

will lead no where fast.

please excuse this post everyone.
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Post by: thernz on March 20, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
The project got canned.
RIP
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Post by: A-Yty on March 20, 2012, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: Sumac
It's bad for two simple reasons:
1) Hinting at some very important plot point and never explaining it, is shitty storytelling, not some "deep-meta" stuff. Blah blah blah..

And I never claimed so. If IGA did anything, he suggested Death might serve another purpose besides being a servant of Dracula. And I think that's cool and it's better he won't be the one explaining that any further (if there's a need for it). Same goes for pretty much all the loose ends worth tying up. And I don't think the man would even like to do that, because he seems to acknowledge his weaknesses.
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Post by: thernz on March 20, 2012, 04:33:08 PM
Omission of details that aren't really needed to serve or further the plot isn't really as bad as Gabriel not knowing who Zobek was, even though Zobek didn't change his name at all when he founded the Brotherhood. The disappearance of the Belmonts is all you need to know for Order of Ecclesia's story to flow along. Same with Death's intentions being vague, because well, Death never actually does anything that encourages you to know why. Until the reason why actually comes into play, it's not a plot hole, it's a plot point. This is basically the same as why you never needed to know why mikael miers had his mask in Halloween.

Or maybe Zobek is a common name.
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Post by: KaZudra on March 20, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
you know what would be cool?

If LOS put in Time Reaper as an Enemy towards Death (Zobek) and/or the New Protagonist.


Omission of details that aren't really needed to serve or further the plot isn't really as bad as Gabriel not knowing who Zobek was, even though Zobek didn't change his name at all when he founded the Brotherhood. The disappearance of the Belmonts is all you need to know for Order of Ecclesia's story to flow along. Same with Death's intentions being vague, because well, Death never actually does anything that encourages you to know why. Until the reason why actually comes into play, it's not a plot hole, it's a plot point. This is basically the same as why you never needed to know why mikael miers had his mask in Halloween.

Or maybe Zobek is a common name.

I agree, it isn't a bloody shonen Jump anime where every detail of existance had to be explained.

I though Zobek was some sorta anagram to the COD Zead
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Post by: Dremn on March 20, 2012, 05:46:26 PM
The project got canned.
So no MercuryVania on 3DS then? That's honestly the most disappointing piece of news I've heard all year, I've been anxiously awaiting an announcement for any Castlevania on 3DS.

Except the rerelease of The Adventure on the eShop. Ugh.
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Post by: shelverton. on March 20, 2012, 06:36:11 PM
Castlevania will come to 3DS, later this year or next. I am 97.3% sure. Not made by Mercury Steam but someone else. Possibly in-house or someone else. I'm still hoping it will be WayForward but I'm not holding my breath..
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Post by: Maedhros on March 20, 2012, 06:46:50 PM
No evidence of Castlevania 3DS is up. I've seriously lost all my hopes on this series... it'll continue to be westernized, and I'll stop playing.
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Post by: thernz on March 20, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
The ironic terror of a franchise based in a Western setting losing its appeal when it gets westernized.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 20, 2012, 08:04:30 PM
The project got canned.
Absolute lie. They've never talked about that.
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Post by: uzo on March 20, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
You must have been oddly absent when all that was discussed. Some LoS fanboy you are.
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Post by: Flame on March 20, 2012, 11:08:37 PM
No evidence of Castlevania 3DS is up. I've seriously lost all my hopes on this series... it'll continue to be westernized, and I'll stop playing.

That's ok. More for me then. C:
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Post by: Dremn on March 20, 2012, 11:16:27 PM
You must have been oddly absent when all that was discussed. Some LoS fanboy you are.
When was it said the project was canned?

I don't think we're ever going to get Vania 3DS now, Konami is too busy milking MGS and Love Plus games to care.
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Post by: uzo on March 20, 2012, 11:25:13 PM
Cox said, on twitter I believe, their 3DS project got canned by corporate Konami a while back. I'm surprised most of you guys didn't see it. Then again it was probably tucked away in the giant monolith LoS thread.
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Post by: Flame on March 20, 2012, 11:39:14 PM
I dont twitter. I dont really even check other twitter pages too often.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 21, 2012, 03:13:52 AM
You better not be mistaken, Uzo. I'm afraid Mercurysteam is going to take spread their malevolence to the 3DS as well.   
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Post by: flyingchai on March 21, 2012, 08:39:14 AM
So just heads up to everyone, the "Killer Sequel" OXM teased was Assassin's Creed III. New character, something about taking place in New York.
Just type OXM 84 into Google to get more details, because I never cared about AC.
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Post by: Thunderbrand on March 21, 2012, 09:31:00 AM
Ok, this whole thread has gotten completely convoluted and confusing and frankly I'm too tired at the moment to try and make heads or tails of it. So somebody bottom line this for me (and all of us really):

Is there ANY legitimate news of an LoS sequel? Or are we still just dealing with rumors and heresay?
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Post by: crisis on March 21, 2012, 10:23:22 AM
Quote from: Thunderbird
Is there ANY legitimate news of an LoS sequel?

Nothing that we don't already know.

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Or are we still just dealing with rumors and heresay?

Pretty much.
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Post by: Sumac on March 21, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
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And I think that's cool and it's better he won't be the one explaining that any further (if there's a need for it).
Well, I personally prefer complete stories not some bit and pieces that could potentially be interesting, but never elaborate upon not because author can't do that, but because he  doesn't give a damn about it.

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The disappearance of the Belmonts is all you need to know for Order of Ecclesia's story to flow along.
Wait, what?
And what about some general information why it did happen? It is very important thing to the Castlevania (old) timeline and to the OOE storyline. OOE was a perfect opportunity to finally let that cat out of bag. I mean, story was directly related to the Belmonts dissappearance and it never was properly explained why it happened in the first place. They just...dissappeared and that's it. Sorry, but it is shitty storytelling in its purest, no matter how you look at it.

And idea that you don't need to know all details in the story, works only when said details are really insiginificant. Other wise you just accept that author didn't care enough to explain important plot points and treat as it's a normal thing. For that matter Belmonts disapperance is not an insignificant detail by any margin.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 21, 2012, 04:22:02 PM
They are still working on the 3DS, explain why Cox said, and bolded, that they are working on projectS, more than one. MS is a 100 people studio, no way they are making 2 AAA games.

@Thunderbird: The most legitimate news we have recently are those photos from motion capture proccess and Cox ridiculously teasing in twitter in a way it's not even funny.
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Post by: JR on March 21, 2012, 05:56:18 PM
Not to sound lime a broken record, but I wonder if their other project they're working on is even Castlevania-related. It's probably a safe guess that it is, but in light of the past year or so, I don't want to make any assumptions either.
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Post by: meanguyjones on March 21, 2012, 06:01:54 PM
When was it said the project was canned?

I don't think we're ever going to get Vania 3DS now, Konami is too busy milking MGS and Love Plus games to care.

Oh, please.

There hasn't been a console Metal Gear since 4 in 2008, which was in development for 5 years. Peace Walker was released in 2010. Rising has been cancelled and rebooted twice due to it not being up to Kojimas standards.

Aside from its HD collection (which every game series is "guilty" of right now), the only series that Konami is guilty of milking to death is Castlevania circa 2000 up to Lords of Shadow release.

Think about it.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 21, 2012, 06:36:11 PM
Oh, please.

There hasn't been a console Metal Gear since 4 in 2008, which was in development for 5 years. Peace Walker was released in 2010. Rising has been cancelled and rebooted twice due to it not being up to Kojimas standards.

Aside from its HD collection (which every game series is "guilty" of right now), the only series that Konami is guilty of milking to death is Castlevania circa 2000 up to Lords of Shadow release.

Think about it.
You're... right?
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Post by: Dremn on March 21, 2012, 11:05:27 PM
Damn, you're actually right.

I guess I'm just impatient after how let down I was by LoS. :(
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: thernz on March 22, 2012, 12:36:24 AM
Well, I personally prefer complete stories not some bit and pieces that could potentially be interesting, but never elaborate upon not because author can't do that, but because he  doesn't give a damn about it.
Wait, what?
And what about some general information why it did happen? It is very important thing to the Castlevania (old) timeline and to the OOE storyline. OOE was a perfect opportunity to finally let that cat out of bag. I mean, story was directly related to the Belmonts dissappearance and it never was properly explained why it happened in the first place. They just...dissappeared and that's it. Sorry, but it is shitty storytelling in its purest, no matter how you look at it.

And idea that you don't need to know all details in the story, works only when said details are really insiginificant. Other wise you just accept that author didn't care enough to explain important plot points and treat as it's a normal thing. For that matter Belmonts disapperance is not an insignificant detail by any margin.
I think for OoE it was more of a setting thing. Building mystery with omission. The plot itself was not terribly involved with the Belmont sub-plot except for a plot by Balthier that only required the whereabouts of the Belmonts, and not why they were amnesia-stricken. Though it would be interesting to know why! But Shanoa or the player knowing wouldn't affect the story at all. Instead, it would probably give rise to a desire to see that conflict resolved, despite that not being the premise of the story. If that would happen, the story would become convoluted because it'd gain two conflicts with competing importance.

In regards to the meta-story, it's mostly vague rather than filled with a lack of logic or inconsistency. Of course, you said that. But while incomplete, it still doesn't contradict itself. So I don't really find those sort of elements detrimental to the storytelling. I'm not sure how it's really significant when it's never directly referenced in a way so that the plot, internal logic, or conflict demands it.

Now a real plot hole would be SoTN's inverted castle. because how does that even pop up, why is shaft a ghost still, i thought he was defeated, god iga you are terrible go rot in hell why dont yu asasd  i
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Post by: A-Yty on March 22, 2012, 05:09:37 AM
According to the PoR timeline poster (http://www.linnavaanijat.com/img/por/por_aikajanajuliste.jpg), Shaft was a ghost ever since Drac X, because he placed his spirit in an orb or something like that. So, he died only after Al shattered it before fighting his dad.
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Post by: The Silverlord on March 22, 2012, 06:54:56 AM
Do I spy Belmont (Sumac) and Dracula (A-Yty) going at it in this thread?  Holy water arcs out but Drac just laughs and teleports.

THE LEGENDARY BATTLE CONTINUES.

I get this impression that when Sumac plays the game he will be quite intent on taking down every enemy in the damnable castle (must check your Marathon thread!)--a very focussed individual.


It's my feeling that some mystery and mystique is everything and more for a dark series like Castlevania.  I don’t necessarily want to know the full background of characters like Death or Shaft.  The more story 'hiding-behind', I would say INDEED the more 'bad-ass' they seem.  Make a vague mention of an event of piece of history by all means, but leaving it open-ended is not a bad thing.   Allows us to use our imagination.
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Post by: uzo on March 22, 2012, 07:43:48 AM
They are still working on the 3DS, explain why Cox said, and bolded, that they are working on projectS, more than one.

Yeah, until it got canned.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 22, 2012, 08:21:26 AM
Yeah, until it got canned.
Prove it.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: uzo on March 22, 2012, 10:00:37 AM
You prove it didn't.

Here, take a look and see if there was any mention of it; http://www.castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,2165.0.html (http://www.castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,2165.0.html)

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Have fun. I'll be waiting for the next 3 months while you sort through all of that. The clock's ticking.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 22, 2012, 11:31:17 AM
^^^

Man what a mess that thread ended up being. The only thing that could top that clustermuck of a thread is well....Lords of Shadow 2.

Also, even long after the game was announced and released, the thread title still remained the same lol.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 22, 2012, 11:37:38 AM
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Meeting with the boys and girls from SIDE discussing full motion capture on new projectS :)
Feb 6th.
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Post by: thernz on March 22, 2012, 01:53:31 PM
Nice to see them rolling (or plank-walking, get it, it's a really funny joke) along. But what is SIDE? Uzo, industry guru, do you know?
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Post by: flyingchai on March 22, 2012, 02:31:12 PM
You prove it didn't.


The burden would be on you to cite the source since you're actually making the claim.
So far no information of the sort has been cited, and I for one have never seen Cox specify that. If he did, cite it. Cripes.
If there's nothing to cite, I vote for dropping the whole argument.
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Post by: uzo on March 22, 2012, 02:40:25 PM
Except I don't really care. I know what I read, so I'm good.

In the interest of being fair I did try and locate it, but so far have failed to. Too many LoS threads to look through.
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Post by: Sumac on March 22, 2012, 04:19:56 PM
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I think for OoE it was more of a setting thing. Building mystery with omission.
It's like an IGA's forte - crafting story with loose ends and later abandon them.

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I get this impression that when Sumac plays the game he will be quite intent on taking down every enemy in the damnable castle (must check your Marathon thread!)--a very focussed individual.
Nope. I prefer the most effective (and fastest) way to complete the game - kill only enemies that directly interfer with my progress or could possibly be dangerous in certain circumstances.

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Make a vague mention of an event of piece of history by all means, but leaving it open-ended is not a bad thing.   Allows us to use our imagination.
It works only so far. After some time, critical mass of unanswered questions
overweight "mistery aspect" and turns into just bad storytelling. Cue CV old timeline.

Telling viewers / gamers "use your imagination to fill the gaps in the story" is kind of lazy way out for the writer to evade answering questions that he is not able (or just don't want) to answer properly.

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I don’t necessarily want to know the full background of characters like Death or Shaft.  The more story 'hiding-behind', I would say INDEED the more 'bad-ass' they seem. 
I don't think so.
It's one thing, when this done in the short story with definite ending. Another thing is when those characters exist for several years. As I said before, after some time all this "misteries" transform into either dead weight that nobody cares about (and subsequently it doesn't influence anything about the character) or meaningless blob somewhere in the manual (essentially the same thing as above). Character with definite origin could be as much badass and maybe even more, then ever misterious character for whom mistery becomes a tired gimmick rather than something meaningfull.
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Post by: Gaawa-chan on March 23, 2012, 02:20:32 AM
You prove it didn't.

Burden of proof lies with those making the positive claim. >_>

For example, I say I have a cat.  You say prove it.  I provide proof.  OR, I say I have a cat.  You say prove it.  I tell you to prove that I don't have a cat.
Yeaaaah... doesn't work.
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Post by: The Silverlord on March 23, 2012, 02:31:30 AM
Well, I appreciate where you're coming from (Sumac).

Of course when you learn that much more of a personality and their background you have more to work with, indeed they can still be 'bad-ass' (there are numerous comic-book heroes such as an example) . . . but I’d still argue the mystique can fade, interest can wane.  Death may never be the same again for you if you’ve invested some thought and imagination into him, and the powers that be turn him into a character called Zobek.  Some fans are going to turn away from that, and the parallel universe/reboot isn’t going to matter too much because the seeds have been planted.  You have to accept that.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong.  Admittedly, the story is probably still in its infancy.  I’m indifferent to Zobek’s character, respect that work has gone into the character, and I actually appreciated and loved the Dracolich transformation and fight.  But I can completely see why it rankles some hereabouts.

God only knows the outcry if Alucard appears in the next game as Nikolai the Black: a modern-day mobster from Ukraine, dressed in a trenchcoat with a blonde mane of hair.  Unlikely and in the extreme perhaps, but even the smallest change will have a good portion of fans calling such a change “shitty”.
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Post by: JR on March 23, 2012, 03:55:45 AM
I don't mind when certain things are left unexplained. In fact, I'd rather be left wondering some things than having everything spelled out for me entirely, and killing all fan speculation. This is part of what started to make me lose interest in the storytelling of the Metal Gear series, for instance.

A quick example of that would be Vamp's character. I thought it was pretty interesting that he was "immortal," and I was somewhat satisfied with not knowing how that worked. The mystery was kind of intriguing. But then it was explained "because nanomachines," and it was pretty unsatisfying to me.




...that's also why I wouldn't mind if the Demon Castle War storyline never gets wrapped up.
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Post by: uzo on March 23, 2012, 10:15:24 AM
Nice to see them rolling (or plank-walking, get it, it's a really funny joke) along. But what is SIDE? Uzo, industry guru, do you know?

I was never on, or have seen on the inside, a project with motion capture. I honestly don't know, sorry.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 23, 2012, 11:39:32 AM
You prove it didn't.

Here, take a look and see if there was any mention of it; http://www.castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,2165.0.html (http://www.castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,2165.0.html)

Have fun. I'll be waiting for the next 3 months while you sort through all of that. The clock's ticking.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F029%2F364%2Ffailboat2.jpg%3F1318992465&hash=ca9c1882364081a2540ad7772c2e631a)
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Post by: Sumac on March 24, 2012, 01:10:03 AM

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Death may never be the same again for you if you’ve invested some thought and imagination into him, and the powers that be turn him into a character called Zobek.
I respect that some fans want to expand on character on their own, creating some sort of concept for what character is in their mind.

However, it doesn't change the fact that in the end, the character is not theirs and there is no need to be hurt by the fact that authors takes some effort to change character as they see fit. It's a bit different in case of alternate timeline, since there is no need to think about this new version of character as the old one.

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I don't mind when certain things are left unexplained. In fact, I'd rather be left wondering some things than having everything spelled out for me entirely, and killing all fan speculation. This is part of what started to make me lose interest in the storytelling of the Metal Gear series, for instance.

As I said before, I don't see is as issue, if there is definite end of the story somewhere in the future and authors has some big picture in mind.  However, when you have 25 years of storytelling, that jumps all around the timeline and there is no guarantee that certain (even most important) things will be ever explained, misteries becomes quite iritating. In general I like when everything is explained as much as possible. Though maybe not form the very begining.

As for Vamp - I agree that it was explained in quite a bad fashion. I could accept his powers as being never explained or explained via soome supernatural means. Besides, his immortality was never that important to the story as the whole.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 24, 2012, 01:40:05 AM
I don't Zobek is supposed to be Death. The reapers would be more suiting for that role.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 24, 2012, 05:46:34 AM
I don't Zobek is supposed to be Death. The reapers would be more suiting for that role.
He's the Lord of the Necromancers. I think it was Dave Cox who said he was Death.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 24, 2012, 07:03:13 AM
Most likely one of his many lies and twists of the truth. It wouldn't make sense for him to be Death when there are enemies in the game that actually resemble him aren't.  :o 
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 24, 2012, 07:09:11 AM
Most likely one of his many lies and twists of the truth. It wouldn't make sense for him to be Death when there are enemies in the game that actually resemble him aren't.  :o
So Death must look like a skeleton?
That reminds me Breaking News: The angels are beautiful people with wings.. wait, they aren't! They are horrible monsters in the bible, the former was just a common spread artistic choice, just ike the skeletical Death, weeheeei!!!
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Post by: Nagumo on March 24, 2012, 07:14:24 AM
Well, I wasn't even thinking about appearance when I thought about it. I just think he shouldn't be a human who is just a necromancer. It's especially silly when you have Reapers appearing in the same game, and you go around stating Zobek is Death. That's just what I think though.     
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Post by: A-Yty on March 24, 2012, 07:35:21 AM
So Death must look like a skeleton?

That appears to be CV's Death's true form, yes.

And I don't see how a necromancer, no matter how powerful, could actually be Death. If that's what Cox is saying, it makes no sense. Like was said, the reaper enemies are more like actual embodiments of Death than a necromancer who used to be human.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 24, 2012, 08:21:31 AM
That appears to be CV's Death's true form, yes.

And I don't see how a necromancer, no matter how powerful, could actually be Death. If that's what Cox is saying, it makes no sense. Like was said, the reaper enemies are more like actual embodiments of Death than a necromancer who used to be human.
Here we go again. Death in Castlevana is not Death iself, it has always,always, always been the "Angel of Death" or the "Master of Death" in other words, a powerful mythical necromancer, just like Zobek. It's a hard adaptation bt it's faithful to the escence of the character.
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Post by: A-Yty on March 24, 2012, 08:38:03 AM
I'd say an otherwordly immortal thing, even if "just" an angel, is more Death than a necromancer. Either way, he has always been what he is - above a human or a necromancer.

Besides, it's kind of unclear what exactly he is. Golem calls him "death god", Leon says he's a being of divine powers, he has angel wings in CV64 etc. He can be killed, but he keeps returning. Or maybe he really is "death itself". But even if he's not "The" Death, he is still closer to that than Zobek.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 24, 2012, 08:46:18 AM
Feb 6th.
The only thing this prooves is that they're working on multiple projects that uses body motion capture.

It doesn't even have to be a Castlevania, much less 3DS.

We know there's a Castlevania coming for PS360, and that's it. Wishful thinking has a limit.
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Post by: Sumac on March 24, 2012, 08:54:30 AM
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Death in Castlevana is not Death iself, it has always,always, always been the "Angel of Death" or the "Master of Death" in other words, a powerful mythical necromancer, just like Zobek. It's a hard adaptation bt it's faithful to the escence of the character.
However the key thing is that he wasn't human. Or at least it never was revealed what Reaper was before becoming Dracula's ally.
I don't see it as big issue - different universe = different concepts and origins. The idea that some human could transcend human boundaries and become some sort if "living incarnation of death" is interesting. Dracula in the OT basically made the same thing and become the Dark Lord (leader of all dark forces in the world). It's a bit different, but such concepts were not alien to the old chronology.
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 24, 2012, 09:00:11 AM
Isn't Death (the original CV one) a god (the God of Death) who is under the control of Dracula?
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Post by: A-Yty on March 24, 2012, 09:06:56 AM
Isn't Death (the original CV one) a god (the God of Death) who is under the control of Dracula?

He might be a god. Or not. Maybe he's just a demonic impostor who has his own agenda and just pretends to serve Dracula. Or a servant of a greater power. Maybe he's not even one single entity.
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Post by: Kingshango on March 24, 2012, 09:25:22 AM
IIRC, the enemies from the land of the dead are small representations of Zobeks true form. The reapers represent his power to reap souls (duh) and the necromancers represent his power to revive the dead and use it to his liking.

Zobek's can do all of the above and controls the gateway for souls to reach the afterlife. So unless there is a reaper that surpasses Zobek, he is THE reaper in this universe. The lord of the dead's power and Death's power are pretty much the same, only the origin is different.

I think most of the disapproval of Zobek being Death comes from the fact that he was born by a ritual gone horribly wrong instead of being an all powerful being from out of nowhere that has always existed somewhere.
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Post by: Flame on March 24, 2012, 09:40:33 AM
It wasnt quite "gone horribly wrong" as much as "gone right but with unforseen consequences". They did become divine beings who's power was second only to God's.

But in doing so, they discarded all chaotic and dark elements from their souls. Essentially leaving behind their dark sides, which similarly, became all powerful supernatural entities.

Also on Zobek.

Death in the LoS universe, is different than the classic one. (maybe) as in there are various representations of the force we call death.

Everything in the land of the dead is a representation of Zobek's power. And Zobek himself is so powerful a necromancer, that he has literally become the physical incarnation of Death. He cast the spell that cut off the heavens, and even though he was incinerated in Hellfire by Satan himself, he STILL survived and came back eventually, as shown by the Epilogue.

That's some power.

And classic Death i'm pretty sure is supposed to be a Shinigami, IOW, a Japanese death God. Like Ryuk from Deathnote. Only stylized after the grim reaper.

Otherwise, Dracula would have won after Death simply kills every Human on the planet because he's Death.
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Post by: crisis on March 24, 2012, 10:17:25 AM
I wonder what voice actors they'll use for the next game(s). Jean-Luc Picard pretending to be "Death" just comes off as awkward to me. Just another ploy to get [needless] attention for their game it seems.

Then again, this reboot must have a lot of EPIC themes, with EPIC Hollywood orchestra & EPIC Hollywood names, so it's all good


EPIC
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Post by: A-Yty on March 24, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
IIRC, the enemies from the land of the dead are small representations of Zobeks true form.

If you're talking about the reaper thingies, then no. Those are fragments of death or something along those lines. I don't remember his true form mentioned at all. He does get ugly hands when he reveals his plan. Is that his true form..?

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Zobeks can do all of the above and controls the gateway for souls to reach the afterlife.

I'm pretty sure any sufficiently skilled necromancer can do what he does (or could if they had Satan helping them out). He might be the most skilled around, sure, but still just a necromancer. If those tiny reapers had sufficient intelligence of their own, they'd be "deathier".

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The lord of the dead's power and Death's power are pretty much the same, only the origin is different.

The de facto avatar of death needs help from a vampire against Satan? And I'm pretty sure Death has pulled tricks that Zobek hasn't.

Other than the fact that his relationship with Gabricula mirrors that of Dracula and Death, I see no reason why he should be considered more than a necromancer. He made a spell to cut out heaven (which he couldn't have done without Satan's help), but couldn't get rid of the other lords of shadow without using a pawn. Power levels in LoS seem kind of dodgy anyway. Satan's a petty impotent douche who can be air-jousted to submission and a magic mask apparently makes anyone the equivalent of an omnipotent being. No wait, scratch that..obviously there really is a personified God in the LoSverse. But he can't even stop one necromancer from interfering with his business and all in all seems to do nothing at all.

The other LoSs weren't more than what they were said to be, so why should Zobek be? Cornell wasn't the patron god of werewolves, he was just the leader of their clan. Carmilla wasn't the supreme vampire, she was just a really old and powerful one. Zobek doesn't control who lives or dies. He can use magic to manipulate the lives of some and use dead people as servants. Like necromancers have been shown to do in fiction numerous times.
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Post by: crisis on March 24, 2012, 10:43:48 AM
Dark Lord of the Necromancer's in-game description:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flparchive.org%2FCastlevania-Lords-of-Shadow%2FCompendium%2F8-char_evilzobek.png&hash=e79cd847e7ea8cfc4001031c81e081b3)
Zobek was once a brave fighter and a sage wizard, wise above all others. He was a good man, much loved and respected. Along with Cornell and Carmilla, Zobek founded the order to which Gabriel belongs: The Brotherhood of Light. Yet pride drove him to seek even more power, to fight against the evil and injustices he saw all around him. He was corrupted by the very desire to do good and, in the end, was punished for it. When his spirit ascended to Heaven that fateful night, the empty corpse that he left behind became the Necromancer; an evil reflection of everything that he represented. Lord of all the Dead, he is death personified and with his knowledge of the dark arts none may stand against him, living or dead.

Reaper's in-game description:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flparchive.org%2FCastlevania-Lords-of-Shadow%2FCompendium%2F48-char_reaper.png&hash=a0c45d3e40c4f24b856fa74435bcf69a)
Only powerful sorcerers can summon and control these dangerous spirits. The Reapers are a corporeal manifestation of Death itself; their aspect depends on the beliefs of those who confront them, but most people perceive the Reapers as skeletal figures with long tunics, wielding large scythes.

Necromancer's in-game description:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flparchive.org%2FCastlevania-Lords-of-Shadow%2FCompendium%2F49-char_necromancer.png&hash=71ad96d54060cdfb5dfce22509bf131c)
Necromancy is the most evil of all the schools of magic and can only be performed by the followers of the Dark Lord of the Dead. Unlike vampirism and lycanthropy, the powers necessary to control the energies of the deceased are not easily acquired. The Dark Lord only shares a small part of his power with his followers, who themselves must die in order to use the abilities given to them. Once dead, they become his thralls and their master is able to control them with his own considerable power.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 24, 2012, 11:13:22 AM
I can't get enough of those art illustrations, I think it was one of the most beautiful things in the game, they must to keep and expand the bestiary/book system, it's just perfect .

Also, I like that LoD image, he looks good, quite death-like. Still, while I'm a LoS fanboy, I liked the LoD design for what it is, and it kinda reminds me of death, enough to draw a paralellism, without forgetting that they are different characters, which people tend to forget sometimes.

There's no point in saying "But he should look like this" because they are not what you think, what you want them to be, it's all new, it's based on Akumajou Dracula, but it's not, it's Castlevania; kinda what Dragon Ball is to Odyssey to the west, and what Enslaved is to Odyssey to the west, what Batman Begins Series is to Batman (Ra's al ghul trained Batman, Joker was not desfigured in a chemical accident, and that stuff... does that rings a bell for you??).

Akumajou Dracula was a pastiche of horror conventions, and this new Castlevania is a pastiche of that pastiche, fair enough I guess.

It doesn't hurt that it's a great game too.
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Post by: Flame on March 24, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
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this new Castlevania is a pastiche of that pastiche
pasticheception.

BRRRRRRRRRN
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Post by: Chernabogue on March 24, 2012, 12:57:51 PM
BRRRRRRRRRN (http://inception.davepedu.com/)
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: A-Yty on March 24, 2012, 01:05:12 PM
Pastiche indeed. A parody, even..? (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F1%2F16%2FDrevil_million_dollars.jpg%2F200px-Drevil_million_dollars.jpg&hash=d303b3231b08a7616037a25f31dfe214)

Yes, they are completely different characters. So why should there even be a disagreement on what and/or who he is? Why is there any kind of effort to convince anyone of that? Or other things like that - in order to make them appreciate LoS for qualities people associate with Original Castlevania / Akumajou? It's puzzling, because LoS doesn't even properly make an effort to utilize those things. It wants to go its own way with the title "Castlevania". That is what the developers themselves have said. Still, time after time, someone, wants to prove how much "Akumajou" there is.

Why? It's Castlevania. And apparently that's now different than Akumajou Dracula. Following that, no one, especially LoS fans, should care at all how anyone reacts to LoS if their opinion is based on it not being like "Akumajou". It can't eat both cakes if it's not willing to bake them itself.

I might be re-opening a can of worms here, but I think Cox made the situation worse when he said there is a difference between "Akumajou" and "Castlevania". It was like plugging a boat hole with ice cubes.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 24, 2012, 01:41:51 PM
Stop it. Everyone. Stop this shit flamestorm right now. I'm tired of this, it's been 3 years, and it's only getting worse, for fuck's sake why are we on loop? AAAAARGH.

I suggest closing this topic until a new strong rumor/confirmation comes.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 24, 2012, 02:15:49 PM
Or maybe you should just stop coming to the Castlevania Dungeon. Closing topics is for moderator/administrator's discretion, not yours.


You won't be missed, trust me.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on March 24, 2012, 02:17:16 PM
Or maybe you should just stop coming to the Castlevania Dungeon. Closing topics is for moderator/administrator's discretion, not yours.


You won't be missed, trust me.
I won't give you that pleasure, trust me.

Jesus what drama queens we have here.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 24, 2012, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: Ahasverus
Jesus what drama queens we have here.

Quote from: Ahasverus
AAAAARGH.


It's a video game. Grow up.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on March 24, 2012, 02:28:19 PM

It's a video game. Grow up.
You have no right to tell me anything I should or not do, man, don't enter the disrespectful field, that's a game I can't play.

I made a suggestion of closing this topic because this is getting the LoS debate thread #234578698273569 and

1-) It was not for you, it was for jorge
2-) It's a suggestion if I'm wrong, fine.
3-) I was trying to avoid this, sometimes things get not so peaceful here.

And you are not helping.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 24, 2012, 02:39:02 PM
1-) Then you should've PMed him.
2-) You are wrong.
3-) No one's forcing you to post. Don't like what you're reading? Then stop posting here or ignore the topic.


And, you're not helping by calling the kettle black.


when people say positive things bout los i am sooo happyyy
BUT WHEN PEOPLE HEAVILY CRITICIZES OR DISLIKES IT I RAAAAAAGGGGGEEEE JORGE PLZ CLOZE TOPIC AAARGHHH
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 24, 2012, 08:05:19 PM
But theres nothing better to talk about. all we have right now is LoS arguments.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: thernz on March 24, 2012, 08:36:28 PM
I like the art too. It is nicely done. The book menu is probably one of my favorite things about Lords' presentation.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Maedhros on March 24, 2012, 10:14:20 PM
Yup, the book is fantastic. The animations there were really well done, it was really cool to read it.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Kingshango on March 24, 2012, 11:36:23 PM
I want to give my final say on the "Is Zobek Death?" debate:

In the LOS universe, there is no true Death, he simply doesn't exist like he did in the old canon. However, the lord of the dead is such a manevolent force beyond what the Earth as seen, he's feared as if he were Death himself.

My final comments: The lord of the dead is Death in this canon unless either A) Zobek dies permanently or B) Mercurysteam pulls the real Death (not the lord of the dead /necromancers) out of there ass making Zobek's existence as the lord of the dead irrelevant and  meaningless.

This is just my take on the whole matter, feel free to disagree if you want, im tired of discussing it.

Im gonna take some time off from the forums untill some real, concrete news about Castlevania pops up (screenshot's,  trailers, the works). Farewell for now.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 25, 2012, 12:44:23 AM
I hope for the sequel they dont do that thing where the good box art is the US/EU exclusive art, while the regular art is the generic character CG. With japan getting a color variant of the "Exclusive" as their default art. That shit just wasn't really fair.

Its a very nice CG, but come on, with that amazing artstyle, FLAUNT IT.

Though maybe now that they have caught the attention they were trying to get by abiding by modern game box art conventions, they have a bit more freedom to break the mold a bit more, as it were.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 25, 2012, 03:12:40 PM
Though maybe now that they have caught the attention they were trying to get by abiding by modern game box art conventions, they have a bit more freedom to break the mold a bit more, as it were.
They SHOULD have more freedom. I mean, I love painting cover art. It's one of the reasons I loved, as a child, walking down the horror movie aisles of the local video store and staring at the VHS covers. Even the most low budget movies seemed to have cover/poster art that were fully painted, and looked uber cool. Now, I guess it's cheaper to photoshop static actor pics into a sort-of-collage. They sometimes do that with game covers too(take CG pics, and a totally different background piece, cut and paste characters side-by-side and such. Sometimes I just want somebody to have the balls to say, "You know way, I'm going to do it the classy way. Let's get someone to do a cool painting!".  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Foffy on March 25, 2012, 03:21:06 PM
Pastiche indeed. A parody, even..? (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F1%2F16%2FDrevil_million_dollars.jpg%2F200px-Drevil_million_dollars.jpg&hash=d303b3231b08a7616037a25f31dfe214)

Yes, they are completely different characters. So why should there even be a disagreement on what and/or who he is? Why is there any kind of effort to convince anyone of that? Or other things like that - in order to make them appreciate LoS for qualities people associate with Original Castlevania / Akumajou? It's puzzling, because LoS doesn't even properly make an effort to utilize those things. It wants to go its own way with the title "Castlevania". That is what the developers themselves have said. Still, time after time, someone, wants to prove how much "Akumajou" there is.

Why? It's Castlevania. And apparently that's now different than Akumajou Dracula. Following that, no one, especially LoS fans, should care at all how anyone reacts to LoS if their opinion is based on it not being like "Akumajou". It can't eat both cakes if it's not willing to bake them itself.

I might be re-opening a can of worms here, but I think Cox made the situation worse when he said there is a difference between "Akumajou" and "Castlevania". It was like plugging a boat hole with ice cubes.

You noticed that too, hmm? I've noticed Cox has been inconsistent in explaining the game. First it was a remake of Simon's stuff, then it was a reboot, then it's considered a 'Ultimate'-ish entry, and the last thing I recall him saying was that it's in an entirely different line than every other single Castlevania game.

If so, why is it called Castlevania?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 25, 2012, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: Foofy
If so, why is it called Castlevania?

Clueless executives at Konami/Cox's superiors telling him what to say.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: beingthehero on March 25, 2012, 04:02:13 PM
then it's considered a 'Ultimate'-ish entry

Pardon my ignorance Foffy, but what did they mean by that?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on March 25, 2012, 04:15:04 PM
1. Crisis, that was pretty disrespectful, to tell people to stop posting.  Telling him to grow up is, somewhat disrespectful as well.
2. Ahasverus, you're overreacting over a rumor conversation and entering 'crazy fanboy' land. Don't be so quick to defend, man. And, you are also being somewhat disrespectful calling people here 'drama queens'.

We all have our human nature, in which when someone says something we agree with, we are thrilled, and when someone says something on which we disagree, we cry 'outrage'.

We are having such a heated discussion, when all we've seen is a motion capture team working on something (that may or may not even be Castlevania).

However, Flame is right... there aren't any other Castlevania-related things to talk about, so I guess it's come to this, for now.
I encourage people to post about other videogames in HG101, or post artwork/pics in Fan Stuff, or talk about other matters at Off Topic.
People don't have to live in the CV General Discussion section.  We have other sections for a reason.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: uzo on March 25, 2012, 05:02:48 PM
Pardon my ignorance Foffy, but what did they mean by that?

I believe he's referencing Marvel's "Ultimates" comic series. They basically went and rebooted a boat load of their comic series all at once, with much emphasis on interconnecting from the get go and smoothing over a bunch of issues there in the process.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on March 25, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
The Ultimate series has a lot of crazy twists, Peter parker is dead now :P It began somewhat near the original timeline, then it went trainwreck mode. I hope the contrary is going to happen to LoS.

@Jorge: My apologies, a shameful incident indeed.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Maedhros on March 25, 2012, 09:36:48 PM
lol, LOS already killed everything from the original game just putting the Belmont as Dracula.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: meanguyjones on March 25, 2012, 09:51:11 PM
You noticed that too, hmm? I've noticed Cox has been inconsistent in explaining the game. First it was a remake of Simon's stuff, then it was a reboot, then it's considered a 'Ultimate'-ish entry, and the last thing I recall him saying was that it's in an entirely different line than every other single Castlevania game.

If so, why is it called Castlevania?


Because its a Castlevania game, period.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on March 25, 2012, 10:06:51 PM

Because its a Castlevania game, period.
./ Discussion
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 25, 2012, 10:18:36 PM
lol, LOS already killed everything from the original game just putting the Belmont as Dracula.

I disagree.

It has nothing to do with Castlevania 1.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Nagumo on March 26, 2012, 12:36:25 AM
If so, why is it called Castlevania?

Brand recognition.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dark Nemesis on March 26, 2012, 03:32:01 AM
I disagree.

It has nothing to do with Castlevania 1.

No one said it has. He means that Castlevania was known as Belmont's vs Dracula. Now with LoS, everything we knew about Castlevania, has gone oposite. Yes i know, it's a reboot, but can you make a reboot of Superman, by turning him to super villain?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: KaZudra on March 26, 2012, 04:32:58 AM
No one said it has. He means that Castlevania was known as Belmont's vs Dracula. Now with LoS, everything we knew about Castlevania, has gone oposite. Yes i know, it's a reboot, but can you make a reboot of Superman, by turning him to super villain?
that's been done...... twice as I can recall

the problem with the word "reboot" is that it's now a blacklisted word for gamers.... and soon TMNT fans...

I honestly think most people should check out the ridiculous endeavors that Marvel/DC has done with their ever so familiar series, I think that you'll find that Belmont Dracula is waaaaay better than Making a Deal with the devil by divorcing your wife in order to save your dying aunt, or becoming a full spider and give birth to yourself ~ both respectively from spiderman
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 26, 2012, 05:19:24 AM
ehhh I think most "reboots" nowadays are absolutely lame. "lets wipe the slate clean to shock/shit on the loyal fans," the only reboot that "did it right" so far was Batman Begins.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on March 26, 2012, 07:25:04 AM
ehhh I think most "reboots" nowadays are absolutely lame. "lets wipe the slate clean to shock/shit on the loyal fans," the only reboot that "did it right" so far was Batman Begins.
And it reckons a lot of things too
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 26, 2012, 08:04:48 AM
No one's really complaining, though. These other reboots do shit that make no sense.

Bruce didn't grow up poor with a unknown sibling and he didn't encounter a pre-Joker when they were kids. All the basics and foundations are still intact.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on March 26, 2012, 08:29:11 AM
No one's really complaining, though. These other reboots do shit that make no sense.

Bruce didn't grow up poor with a unknown sibling and he didn't encounter a pre-Joker when they were kids. All the basics and foundations are still intact.
Oh heheheh, you should check Comicbookmovies.com and those kind of sites, there are totally HATERS of the Nolan franchise because it's too far from the source material. They hate it with PASSION and want a fantastical Batman Reboot without armor suit and more tighs.Because it's more faithful of course!
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 26, 2012, 08:59:22 AM
Turning the hero into a villain? Even without reboots it's been done.

Superman's done it a few times in alternate universe "what if" scenarios, and even in the cartoons he did it once or twice.

Justice Lord Superman being a pretty good example in the cartoons, of Superman and the Justice League taking over the world and turning it into a totalitarian regime.

or Ultraman, who is basically the alternate universe villain Superman.

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No one said it has.
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lol, LOS already killed everything from the original game
should've clarified then.

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ehhh I think most "reboots" nowadays are absolutely lame. "lets wipe the slate clean to shock/shit on the loyal fans," the only reboot that "did it right" so far was Batman Begins.
I dont mind the DCU's "new 52" reboot.

the Nolanverse is pretty good, but IMO so far, Begins was a better movie than Dark Knight.

And while Heath Ledger's Joker was pretty good, he felt more like an overglorified anarchist than the Joker. the glasgow grin was an interesting touch though.

we'll see how the third movie does. Though if there is no Venom involved with Bane...
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 26, 2012, 09:17:29 AM
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Turning the hero into a villain? Even without reboots it's been done.

it's been done to death o.o;

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I dont mind the DCU's "new 52" reboot.

i know, yet another series of pointless reboots "just because"

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the Nolanverse is pretty good

so far it's way better than the previous movies, 1989 Batman possibly being the exception

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we'll see how the third movie does

my predictions is Avengers will have the better action scenes, but DKR will have the better story. Spiderman will be hit or miss but at least we'll have a wise-crackin' Peter this time around

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Though if there is no Venom involved with Bane...

RRRRRRRAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEE
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Sumac on March 26, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Burton's Batman movies are my favorite. They found perfect balance between "realism" and "comic book reality". While Nolan movies are good the idea of making Batman as real as possible doesn't work for me. In the end it's a movie about guy who seriously calls himself BATman.

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No one said it has. He means that Castlevania was known as Belmont's vs Dracula. Now with LoS, everything we knew about Castlevania, has gone oposite. Yes i know, it's a reboot, but can you make a reboot of Superman, by turning him to super villain?
It's nothing new. And the idea of connecting Belmonts with Dracula (as blood relatives) always was on the surface. CVL arguably tried to pull it of, so LOS approach is nothing new to the series.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 26, 2012, 09:53:00 AM
Burton's movies are arguably closer to the comics in its "over-the-topness," but Schumaker's films sillyness factor was cranked up top notch & ultimately detracted from the overall seriousness of Batman. Seriously, Bat-nipples? LOL


and a lot more people consider Belmont & Dracula being related a travesty (since they're, you know, vampire hunters) than Mathias turning into Vlad Tepes (at least here at the Dungeon, the most popular CV site). Much like how TMNT fans hate Michael Bay turning them into an ALIEN race from another planet in his "reboot." It's a travesty that shits on the core material, but there's still a possibly it could turn out "good" so we remain optimistic. Most of us anyway, prunyuu~
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 26, 2012, 01:35:55 PM
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my predictions is Avengers will have the better action scenes, but DKR will have the better story. Spiderman will be hit or miss but at least we'll have a wise-crackin' Peter this time around

Im still waiting for DC to do Movie Continuity. Marvel has pulled it off quite well. Who would have thought prior to say, Iron Man, that there could ever be an Avengers movie?

Though DC still technically did it first with the DCAU, making Animated Continuity.

As far as batman movies go, I agree with Sumac- I like the Burton Batmovies. Specially the first one. Batman Returns is a tad bit TOO Burton.

also, without the Burton movies, we might not have gotten Batman The Animated Series, which is THE go to Batman cartoon.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 26, 2012, 07:21:50 PM
Batman TAS is, IMO, the perfect representation of comic Batman(more so than any of the movies and the television show). It's dark, gothic, somewhat realistic, but doesn't bullshit itself when it deals with magic, mysticism, science fiction and fantasy. It handles it the way it SHOULD, and doesn't downplay the more fantastical themes just for the sake of being "grounded". THAT'S how the comics were.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: beingthehero on March 26, 2012, 07:47:14 PM
Also Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman movies.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: crisis on March 26, 2012, 07:55:27 PM
The Birth of Batman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K1qNsE9v0#ws)
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 26, 2012, 11:10:59 PM
The Birth of Batman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K1qNsE9v0#ws)
Gives me chills every time I watch it. Every single time.

Batman TAS is, IMO, the perfect representation of comic Batman(more so than any of the movies and the television show). It's dark, gothic, somewhat realistic, but doesn't bullshit itself when it deals with magic, mysticism, science fiction and fantasy. It handles it the way it SHOULD, and doesn't downplay the more fantastical themes just for the sake of being "grounded". THAT'S how the comics were.

I would even call the DC Animated Universe superior to the comic book continuity. It doesnt shit around with all the shit Comic books do, revivals, kill offs, publicity stunt shit, bad writing shit, all the convoluted messes that the comic continuity pulls, doesnt exist in the DCAU. It's a single continuity spanning across 7 different animated series, and spans almost what, maybe a century? from Batman TAS to Batman Beyond? It even had a concrete ending with the JLU episode Epilogue finally wrapping up the Beyond time, therefore making a definitive ending to the DCAU.

It starts with Batman, it ends with Batman.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on March 27, 2012, 12:15:44 AM
It starts with Batman, it ends with Batman.

Never noticed that before. That's pretty cool 8)

On that note. No has, nor ever will, do a better Batman than Kevin Conroy.  Same goes for Mark Hamil with Joker.
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 27, 2012, 12:24:06 AM
Gives me chills every time I watch it. Every single time.



It starts with Batman, it ends with Batman.

If there is a beginning there must be the end and here it is

The Final Ending To Batman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2pfuSxXaMw#)
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: KaZudra on March 27, 2012, 12:35:40 AM
If there is a beginning there must be the end and here it is

The Final Ending To Batman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2pfuSxXaMw#)

this is the Reason I completely HATE JLU, trying to make Terry's life a set up, it was so stupid since it was obvious who wrote that episode never watched the show to get the whole point of it.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: A-Yty on March 27, 2012, 05:00:02 AM
this is the Reason I completely HATE JLU, trying to make Terry's life a set up, it was so stupid since it was obvious who wrote that episode never watched the show to get the whole point of it.

I felt the the nano-DNA-override nonsense was a silly plot device too, because it was a Kojimaesque way of cramming in needless revelations in a hurry to wrap things up. But I did like everything else about it.

New 52 is hollow, seemingly needless and I doubt it'll remain the main continuity. They seem to be just throwing ideas on the wall and see what sticks. DC/Warner is also having some trouble with the Superman lawsuits which I guess they're waiting to be settled or will just go away. But that might not happen.

Nolan movies have been great, but I honestly can't wait for the next director and star to take over. This kind of trilogy was nice for a change and it exorcised the ghost of Schumacher effectively, but I really hope the next guy to take over is more interested in both the mythology and style of Batman than trying to make it "realistic".

Still, to me it's obvious why a reboot like Begins worked and a reboot/side story/whatever like LoS didn't. Not the best comparison since the other's a movie series, but the same can be said of Arkham games. They're not a reboot, of course, but succeeded for many of the same reasons.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 27, 2012, 09:46:38 AM
To be honest, The revelation of Terry being Bruce's son was never much of a surprise, and im pretty sure plenty of people thought about similar things before. I mean, both his parents have brown/red hair and dark eyes, and here comes Terry with Black hair and blue eyes, just like Bruce. I mean, he looks like a younger Bruce, more or less.

I had no problem with it. Was it necessary? Not really. But is it any surprise? Not at all.

The episode could have been better made though. All throughout we get the black and white sequences of Terry being an idiot and a dick, and we are led to think that he has actually done those things before going to Waller's. And yet apparently according to the developers, those are not "past" sequences or flashbacks, but thoughts in Terry's mind. He feels like taking his anger to Bruce, he feels like he should stop seeing Dana, he feels like he should quit the JLU. But all he ever did, was break into Amanda Waller's home when he found out he was a perfect genetic match for Bruce's new kidney, and that apparently, Bruce might have known for a long time.
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Post by: Sumac on March 27, 2012, 11:17:09 AM
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As far as batman movies go, I agree with Sumac- I like the Burton Batmovies. Specially the first one. Batman Returns is a tad bit TOO Burton.
That is the reason why I like BR a bit more than the first movie. But they both really good.
And I think Schumacher was a fan of old Batman TV show. He took its camp and turned it up to 11, while adding acid and neon on top of it.
I still dream what could have been, if Burton made movie with Two-Face. I bet it would much better than BF "Two-Face"  that was more of a Joker rip-off than actual Two-Face. Though his costumes were nice.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: beingthehero on March 27, 2012, 11:46:50 AM
That is the reason why I like BR a bit more than the first movie.

When I read this, I first thought you were referring to Batman and Robin.

I don't know if I can hate a movie that has Arnold saying things like ICE TO MEET YOU. I just can't bring myself to hate that.
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Post by: Flame on March 27, 2012, 01:33:08 PM
In b4 bat credit card
Title: BATMAN
Post by: crisis on March 27, 2012, 01:35:24 PM
THIS IS NOW A BATMAN THREAD

Batman And Robin The Movie shortened (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4055hJp_Fg#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: BATMAN
Post by: crisis on March 27, 2012, 01:53:01 PM
By the way, anyone else notice that the ending of the series "Epilogue" mirrors the very first episode of Batman:The Animated Series "On Leather Wings?"

In the beginning there's a close-up of the sky above Gotham City with the police blimps floating, then one of the operators tells his comrade "did you see that?" when a figure flies right over them.

In the end of "Epilogue" after Terry accepts his destiny, the screen pans out over Gotham City again, with police hover cars flying overhead. Batman flies right over them & they say "did you see that?" Thus, the DCAU coming full circle.



EPIC
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Post by: A-Yty on March 27, 2012, 02:14:23 PM
You know what's one of the many, many things that would have made LoS better? A minigame where you could torture a Chupacapra. They could have really put those QTEs and gore to good use  :'(
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Post by: thernz on March 27, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
Imagine if the next Lords starred you as Dracula.

And it still had the Chupacabra parts.
Title: Re: BATMAN
Post by: Flame on March 27, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
By the way, anyone else notice that the ending of the series "Epilogue" mirrors the very first episode of Batman:The Animated Series "On Leather Wings?"

In the beginning there's a close-up of the sky above Gotham City with the police blimps floating, then one of the operators tells his comrade "did you see that?" when a figure flies right over them.

In the end of "Epilogue" after Terry accepts his destiny, the screen pans out over Gotham City again, with police hover cars flying overhead. Batman flies right over them & they say "did you see that?" Thus, the DCAU coming full circle.



EPIC

Yeah that's kinda what I was referring to when I mentioned it started with bats and ends with bats.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Nycterida on March 27, 2012, 04:08:20 PM
THIS IS NOW A BATMAN THREAD


Good to see some love for Bats in this forum, even a few people that like the Burton films.. :)

On the main topic, can't wait for the LoS sequel.
Title: LoS 2
Post by: Ahasverus on March 27, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
THIS IS NOW A BATMAN THREAD
Cause batman i the most awesome thing coming from a humand mind, that's why.

Feel Batsy? Come to the new thread  ;)
http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4728.msg98462.html#new (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,4728.msg98462.html#new)

On topic, I can't wait either lol
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Post by: Soulsteal on March 28, 2012, 01:21:56 AM
So uh, LoS2, where do you want my
[LIKE GOD OF WAR BUT]
stamp on you?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on March 28, 2012, 05:44:46 AM
Well we are a forum that likes Castlevania. Hard to not like BATman
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: uzo on March 28, 2012, 07:09:33 AM
So uh, LoS2, where do you want my
[LIKE GOD OF WAR BUT]
stamp on you?

^
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with games that are similar to other games?
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Post by: A-Yty on March 28, 2012, 09:15:46 AM
Depends on what kind of similar. A cut-paste job isn't particularly pleasing. Inspired by and/or of the same genre is a different story.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on March 28, 2012, 11:20:51 AM
Depends on what kind of similar. A cut-paste job isn't particularly pleasing. Inspired by and/or of the same genre is a different story.

My thoughts exactly. I like similarities on games and not replicas.
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Post by: Flame on March 28, 2012, 11:28:05 AM
I never considered LoS to be a rip off of GoW. In fact, I recall many folks considering LoS superior in combat to GoW.

I mean Theres no way you can call LoS a replica of GoW and not apply the same thing to Symphony of the Night and Super Metroid.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 28, 2012, 11:49:18 AM
^
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with games that are similar to other games?
When they forsake what they are to become another game, I have a problem. Though, I'm not particularly talking about LoS. An example I might give(be as far-fetched as it sounds) would be if the Final Fantasy series suddenly became like Gears of War(Third-person shooter, heavy sci-fi, grounded setting with main characters that are bulked up with necks like tree trunks). Just for the sake of tapping into that "genre's" fanbase. That's what I have a problem with. If it's a game that JUST happens to be somewhat similar, only by the fact that it's a real-time action adventure where one character fights monsters, I don't have a problem.

I've always had a problem with things(persons or things) that try to appeal to a different genre out of the need to stay relevant or for financial purposes. Imagine, if before Johnny Cash died, he did a hip hop album with Snoop Dogg? Imagine if Super Mario underwent the "realism" trend you see being fapped over nowadays, and they exorcise every bit of whimsey from the series just so it could be grounded in reality?
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Post by: Sumac on March 28, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
I think in case of LOS it was desire to stay relevant (making money) and attempt to shake off dark shadow of the "metroidvania" formula.
Both things were needed to be done to series survival in the long run. Another "metroidvania" most likely would have ended up as even more niche title than previous games (if it wasn't something spectacular like SOTN and I doubt IGA / Konami could pull it off) and going that road, would eventually lead to the series obscurity and slow demise.
Though, I guess some people prefered for Castlevania to die rather than change. But happily not everyone have such...interesting...mindset.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on March 28, 2012, 12:16:46 PM
I never considered LoS to be a rip off of GoW. In fact, I recall many folks considering LoS superior in combat to GoW.

I mean Theres no way you can call LoS a replica of GoW and not apply the same thing to Symphony of the Night and Super Metroid.

I don't speak specifically about LoS, but in general about games.
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Post by: uzo on March 28, 2012, 12:18:29 PM
I don't want to sound like I'm jumping on the LoS Defense Force, but those comparisons of yours are a little bit too far to really be considered accurate in this, DragonSlayr81.

LoS departed from the series, but only in a few areas, and debatably not by much. Now hear me out before hitting that -1 button!!

In the context of this debate, I pose that the gameplay, specifically the God of War inspired/adapted properties, is NOT what causes the game to lose it's Castlevania feel. The major exception here I would let slide is the cliff hanging. That felt out of place to a degree.

As far as gameplay goes, it has mostly elements we've already seen in past CV games. LoI and CoD have already had what you'd consider a prototype battle system to the one in LoS. Sure it's similar to GoW, but how could it NOT be? It's a whip being used effectively in 3d space.

The stage to stage progression, something GoW has as well, predates all of these games back to the NES days. Nothing new there. The lack of exploration isn't a new concept to the series in a whole.

Even the concept of sub-weapon independent ammunition isn't much of a departure here. It's something that could have easily been in any other title, at any time. Even Portrait of Ruin had a somewhat protoype of this system allowing you to switch sub weapons at any time. I believe if the DS had more buttons, we could have easily have had a selection of multiple in combat at once. Given the limited number of sub weapons in LoS, and the central focus on versatility mid combat, this isn't that big a deal as I believe people make it out to be. I'm not sure if it was inspired by another game, but it wasn't necessarily a BAD call. I actually think for a stage based progression, its a really good idea. The single replaceable sub-weapons worked better in the exploration games, in my opinion, since there was easy access back tracking to get the one you want. Sure, you couldn't do that in the originals, and you hardcore classicvania fans are probably hammering that -1 button right about now, but realistically it was a little more frustrating than not to keep that kind of ideal alive in this game.

This brings us down to the factors I do think caused the game to feel astray from the rest of the series; Story, Character Design, Music. Each of these factors took a great departure from the original series conventions, and many fans don't feel at home with it.

Story, in the essence of Dracula-Belmont.

Music in the sense of the lost identity of the typical sound track feel.

And finally character design, mainly in the monster department. I'll admit I am still put off by the overly generic western designs employed in many of the designs. There were a few fantastic and very Castlevania like designs in the mix, though incredibly few against the multitude of contrasting designs. The walking coffins with root-leg-things is so Castlevania like. I also really liked the headless zombies, and the plant children of the maze garden. Not so much the goblins and trolls...

I think that's a fair assessment that both sides of the LoS debate should be able to accept.
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Post by: Nagumo on March 28, 2012, 12:42:25 PM
Yeah, I never had a problem with the gameplay either. Though I'm sure the execution wasn't as good as in Shadow of the Colussus, I even like the concept of the titan fights. The best contribution Lords made to 3d vania's was more interaction with the enviroment, like the whip swinging and all the climbing etc. Combat seemed just fine to me as well, about the same level as the previous two 3d games, I suppose.

It's just other things that bug me, and Uzo already pointed out a few.         
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Post by: Flame on March 28, 2012, 01:00:02 PM
Everything from after the besieged Village up until the fight with Cornell is what feels incredibly out of place. Basically most of Agharta. and it seems to be what everyone remembers most from the game. Probably because it's yknow, the first area.
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Post by: crisis on March 28, 2012, 01:30:28 PM
it's funny you mention negative points uzo, my respect dropped considerably overnight it seems. SOME1 HAS A GRUDGE AGAINST MEH

The Titan battles just seemed like the developers wanted to 1-up previous games' titan battles, just because. Seems their mentality was like "you other developers aren't the ONLY ones that can pull these off!" They came off as less fun & more clumsy. Dracolich was just annoying, I couldn't wait for that battle to be over. So yeah, no more titan battles in LoS2 please. At least not in the fashion as in LoS.

I still think the combat in GoW is way more satisfying & intuitive (just completed the entire series on the hardest difficulty, shit was insane), and I felt the way Gabriel moved and handled was a tad bit awkward, especially with the platforming segments.

@MercurySteam, in conclusion, please fix the general aesthetic & music, and LoS2 will be more accepted as a "true" Castlevania, and don't be afraid to include the various charms & humor that the series is known for. And no, I'm not talking about corny Portal jokes & Monty Python references. Although I feel those were more Cox's input than anyone else's  :rollseyes:


We deserve more than a Solid Snake eyepatch.
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Post by: Munchy on March 28, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
it's funny you mention negative points uzo, my respect dropped considerably overnight it seems. SOME1 HAS A GRUDGE AGAINST MEH

The Titan battles just seemed like the developers wanted to 1-up previous games' titan battles, just because. Seems their mentality was like "you other developers aren't the ONLY ones that can pull these off!" They came off as less fun & more clumsy. Dracolich was just annoying, I couldn't wait for that battle to be over. So yeah, no more titan battles in LoS2 please. At least not in the fashion as in LoS.

I still think the combat in GoW is way more satisfying & intuitive (just completed the entire series on the hardest difficulty, shit was insane), and I felt the way Gabriel moved and handled was a tad bit awkward, especially with the platforming segments.

@MercurySteam, in conclusion, please fix the general aesthetic & music, and LoS2 will be more accepted as a "true" Castlevania, and don't be afraid to include the various charms & humor that the series is known for. And no, I'm not talking about corny Portal jokes & Monty Python references. Although I feel those were more Cox's input than anyone else's  :rollseyes:


We deserve more than a Solid Snake eyepatch.

Totally agree on the Titan battles (Bayonetta did these best), can't comment on the combat in comparison to GoW, but I actually did chuckle at some of the cuteness in the cutscenes. The Chupacabra blasting Gabriel with electricity and the skeleton introduction were both pretty funny.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 28, 2012, 04:17:30 PM
I agree with less titans.
But I'm all for more GIGANTIC bosses.You just can't deny the 3 titans are awe-inspiring from a visual stand point. The stone titan is a visual highlight for theentire generation IMO (Dat modeling). It helped the epic feel it was the flow that was flawed. Moe igantic bosses and call them titans if you want but no Shadow of the Colossus make it more (lika A LOT MORE) like the Chronos and poseidon GOW3 battles. Then you have the best of both worlds.

And Agharta was admitedly SHIT until past the Black guardian Fight. Both the Cornell's lair and his fight were when the game really begun. We can all agree with that.
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Post by: Munchy on March 28, 2012, 04:37:52 PM
I agree with less titans.
But I'm all for more GIGANTIC bosses.You just can't deny the 3 titans are awe-inspiring from a visual stand point. The stone titan is a visual highlight for theentire generation IMO (Dat modeling). It helped the epic feel it was the flow that was flawed. Moe igantic bosses and call them titans if you want but no Shadow of the Colossus make it more (lika A LOT MORE) like the Chronos and poseidon GOW3 battles. Then you have the best of both worlds.

And Agharta was admitedly SHIT until past the Black guardian Fight. Both the Cornell's lair and his fight were when the game really begun. We can all agree with that.

Actually, going back to it I enjoyed Agharta a little more. It is more or less a conversion of the random Atlantis pillars-sticking-out-of-water stages of the old ones. I just hate Claudia's guts.

The Titans did look cool. I just with they were a little more thematic with Castlevania (except the Dracolich, who fit in much more so). I'd love to see their take on guys like Beelzebub or Legion (provided they look demonic and not just like big ol' knights. I kind of hated that aspect of TFO).

More than anything, I'd like the Titan battles just to do more. In LoS they wait for you to jump onto them, throwing some shit at you in the meantime, and then they just kinda jiggle and occasionally scratch an itch while you slowly kill them. They should be a little more proactive and aggressive in the next game.
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Post by: Profbeanburrito on March 28, 2012, 08:05:50 PM
All I want from E3 is news on the LoS sequel. Hopefully a release date.

In fact all I really want from from Castlevania anymore is the LoS sequel and a 3DS remake of Draculas Curse. A collection would be nice too
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Post by: Flame on March 28, 2012, 11:23:21 PM
I actually thought the Dracolitch was the best Titan in the game.

*puts up shield*

at least from a cinematic/visual standpoint, and the pure concept that the Necromancer just fucking revived what was essentially part of a fucking mountain to fight you.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on March 29, 2012, 07:31:38 AM
Yeah I like the Dracolich battle.  But the other titans?  Not so much.
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Post by: Maedhros on March 29, 2012, 05:10:29 PM
I never considered LoS to be a rip off of GoW. In fact, I recall many folks considering LoS superior in combat to GoW.

I mean Theres no way you can call LoS a replica of GoW and not apply the same thing to Symphony of the Night and Super Metroid.
SOTN is completely different from SM in terms of combat.
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Post by: thernz on March 29, 2012, 05:29:16 PM
I think he meant in terms of exploration. Considering you collect powers in both to progress.

The two are pretty different in that respect still.
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Post by: Munchy on March 29, 2012, 06:37:16 PM
Yeah I like the Dracolich battle.  But the other titans?  Not so much.

Well, it's basically a bone dragon type creature, isn't it?
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Post by: Rugal on March 29, 2012, 07:07:34 PM
All of the titan battles in LoS were boring, tedious, and shitty.
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Post by: Flame on March 29, 2012, 11:10:16 PM
I think he meant in terms of exploration. Considering you collect powers in both to progress.

The two are pretty different in that respect still.

Really? They are both a big open mazelike world where you need to collect certain power ups to get to certain areas. The exploration and power up system are practically the same. Just like people say about GoW and LoS.

At least explain to me how they are different.
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Post by: Profbeanburrito on March 30, 2012, 12:19:41 PM
The dracolich was one of my favorite fights in the game.  It just felt really intense. The other Titan battles were kind of a drag. To slow For such a fast paced game. I wouldn't mind seeing some more giant bosses in the sequel of they're more like the dracolich
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Post by: Melanicus on March 30, 2012, 04:56:58 PM
The dracolich was one of my favorite fights in the game.  It just felt really intense. The other Titan battles were kind of a drag. To slow For such a fast paced game. I wouldn't mind seeing some more giant bosses in the sequel of they're more like the dracolich

This reminds me, does anyone else suspect the Dracolich was an homage to the Bone Dragon King from CVIII?
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Post by: Reinhart77 on March 30, 2012, 11:01:13 PM
This reminds me, does anyone else suspect the Dracolich was an homage to the Bone Dragon King from CVIII?
Yep, that's what I thought.  Did a quick search on it on google, and since Dracolich's main page on wikipedia is from dungeons and dragons, perhaps it is also a homage to D&D?    Like they were trying to come up with a better sounding name than "White Dragon", "Bone Dragon King", or "Quetzalcoatl", and stumbled across the D&D name.

Update and on different thought track:
You know who I'd like to see in the sequel?  The ferryman.  Now, would they keep him all mysterious, or would they "spoil" his back story completely?  Nothing's quite as cool as needing to bring him the heart of Dracula for him to bring you someplace interesting, but there's other things that you could fetch for him.  Seems like Baba Yaga took his role in Lords of Shadow. 
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Post by: Flame on March 31, 2012, 10:37:50 AM
yeeeeah... Baba yaga definitely had a bit of a ferryman vibe goin on. EG creepy old person who seems to be rather neutral in the whole affair and just sends you on your way after you do them a favor.
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Post by: Munchy on March 31, 2012, 02:48:23 PM
I was kind of pissed that they killed her off so quickly. She should have had an awesome boss fight at some point.
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Post by: Flame on March 31, 2012, 03:31:19 PM
She was just an interesting character, period. I loved how she was actually quite menacing, considering she ate the previous knights who visited her, and was the reason for Maplhas' attempted suicide, considering she ate her lover. And if I remember right, only helped Gabriel because "the king of angels" told her he would come. So She had him get her rose and then sent him on his way.

That was another thing I loved. the backstory between Baba Yaga and Malphas. That was neat.

More than Her death though, I was more upset at how it was just done quickly offscreen, explained away in one of Zobek's narrations.
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Post by: Dremn on March 31, 2012, 04:54:31 PM
I hated the Dracolich boss fight, probably one of the most boring parts of the entire game. If there's an argument for bad design because of the excessive amount of shimmying you have to do in the game, that boss fight is a direct culprit of it. I couldn't tell where I was going or where I could climb the first time I played it, it was just unnecessarily long and very clunky.
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Post by: Flame on March 31, 2012, 05:03:21 PM
Yeah it was definitely the weakest fight gameplaywise, but all the same, I cant help but love the fight best. probably because the Dracolitch seemed more Castlevania inspired than the other Titans, though the argument could be said that they are all a play on the traditional Golems in the series.
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Post by: Neobelmont on March 31, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
I want renon back, and for some reason I think he would fit in perfectly.
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Post by: Ahasverus on March 31, 2012, 11:22:51 PM
I want renon back, and for some reason I think he would fit in perfectly.
God bless you.

I think the ferryman is a GREAT idea, I think the new series could take advantage of lesser known characters (avoiding major backslash) the ferryman, Joachim, Saint Germain, Hammer! Those kind of characters could be very adaptable without hurting feelings that much and I think we always wanted some kind of backstory to them. Still I want their version of the Belmonts and Alucard though...
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Post by: Flame on April 01, 2012, 12:27:39 AM
Ferryman is DEFINITELY adaptable to LoS' universe. I wouldnt quite throw in the time travelers, And Im not sure how they could play off Joachim as anything other than another namedrop like Bernhard.
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Post by: Foffy on April 01, 2012, 09:03:59 PM
Saint Germain and other chronomages seem rather...odd for the series. Not even in the original series were they given detail and understanding. Maybe the biggest role such people had was with Judgment.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 01, 2012, 11:04:29 PM
Though, who ever said the Saint Germain of LoS has to be a time traveler? The legendary figure has ties to mysticism, occultism and alchemy. He doesn't have to be a time hopping fellow.
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Post by: Foffy on April 01, 2012, 11:45:42 PM
That's true. However, the other characters they referenced kept their roles; Bernhards had demonic castles and Rinaldo made holy weapons.
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Post by: thernz on April 02, 2012, 07:33:00 AM
Gabriel takes over Camilla's castle, finds Joachim in the basement, and proceeds to beat him to a pulp. Because he's just that baaaaad. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Post by: Kingshango on April 02, 2012, 07:45:23 AM
Cox is in the land of Dracul, say's we well know why he's in a few days.

https://twitter.com/#!/CastlevaniaLOS/status/186788518977220608

An official LOS2 announcement imminent?
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 02, 2012, 08:32:27 AM
^Interesting that he says Dracul...

I'm getting tired now  :-\

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2012/04/02/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-sequel-announcement-incoming/ (http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2012/04/02/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-sequel-announcement-incoming/)

On other topic, I'm interested what MS could do with a different time period. The medieval setting is a little tired in Cv, how would they manage, for examle, a renassaince Castlevania? I hope they venture in unexplored settings and mix some things to make the story more interesting.
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Post by: jestercolony on April 02, 2012, 08:53:56 AM
Saint Germain and other chronomages seem rather...odd for the series. Not even in the original series were they given detail and understanding. Maybe the biggest role such people had was with Judgment.

Well, it does make sense on the fact with in the original lore... Why are the Belmont's able to control time via the stop watch? It's obvious in a nerdy kinda sense to have like la 'Time Cops' in a sense due to this. Lords of Shadow would/could make an idea with this. But for how the game played out, it may not even be needed, so who knows?

1. Ultimate Shadow: If you paid attention to the actual animation of Gabriel swinging his whip, take notice to how everything slows down around you, upon hitting an enemy you in fact stop time for 3 seconds (this is NOT a bug.) This is in fact the Stop Watch, just not how we have seen it in the original series.

2. Time Machine, which is used to go back in time to open up the forgotten...

Makes sense to have "Chronomages/Time Lords/Cops" if you ask me. (:
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 02, 2012, 09:18:22 AM
On other topic, I'm interested what MS could do with a different time period. The medieval setting is a little tired in Cv, how would they manage, for examle, a renassaince Castlevania? I hope they venture in unexplored settings and mix some things to make the story more interesting.
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't want a Renassaince CV. That period was too close to the Medieval period. I'd be more interested in something taking place from th 1600s-1800s(or maybe even earyl 1900s).
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Post by: Nagumo on April 02, 2012, 10:10:02 AM
There never has been much distinguishment between time periods other than the way people dress I guess. So it doesn't really matter in which year it takes place in.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 02, 2012, 11:14:17 AM
There never has been much distinguishment between time periods other than the way people dress I guess. So it doesn't really matter in which year it takes place is.
That's why I got to that point, that would be a refreshing, good change to the series that this reboot could bring, time aweareness and story progression based on the time period it takes plce along with different atmosphere of course, it could be very very interesting, think Assassins creed.
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Post by: Dremn on April 02, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
Sooo...I guess an announcement sometime this week then.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 02, 2012, 04:25:28 PM
Sooo...I guess an announcement sometime this week then.

One can hope, it could be nothing for all we know.

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Post by: crisis on April 02, 2012, 04:29:03 PM
greeeeat, that's just dandy


now we'll never know what Galamoth would've looked like in Judgment 2
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 02, 2012, 07:49:41 PM
greeeeat, that's just dandy


now we'll never know what Galamoth would've looked like in Judgment 2
Oh my heart is soooooo broken


 :P
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Post by: Munchy on April 02, 2012, 10:59:04 PM
That's why I got to that point, that would be a refreshing, good change to the series that this reboot could bring, time aweareness and story progression based on the time period it takes plce along with different atmosphere of course, it could be very very interesting, think Assassins creed.

The only thing is, LoS has already thrown most of historical accuracy out of the window. I'm not faulting it for this btw, it'd be silly to as all other Castlevanias do this. But it'd be odd if suddenly the sequels were super accurate to the time and country setting.

I do agree that some historical basis would really help bring the LoS verse more in line with the other games, which played around with historical events. (Does anyone else think that a Bloodlines-era LoS would be weirdly awesome?)
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Post by: Flame on April 03, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
Well, it does make sense on the fact with in the original lore... Why are the Belmont's able to control time via the stop watch? It's obvious in a nerdy kinda sense to have like la 'Time Cops' in a sense due to this. Lords of Shadow would/could make an idea with this. But for how the game played out, it may not even be needed, so who knows?

1. Ultimate Shadow: If you paid attention to the actual animation of Gabriel swinging his whip, take notice to how everything slows down around you, upon hitting an enemy you in fact stop time for 3 seconds (this is NOT a bug.) This is in fact the Stop Watch, just not how we have seen it in the original series.

2. Time Machine, which is used to go back in time to open up the forgotten...

Makes sense to have "Chronomages/Time Lords/Cops" if you ask me. (:

I still think the Ultimate Shadow = stopwatch is just grasping for straws, since whenever you hit en enemy, particularly with a heavy combo hit, there is a slowdown to make the hit feel heavier.
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Post by: Sumac on April 04, 2012, 01:56:29 PM
I think this explanation about Stopwatch and Chronomages is grasping at straws.
Stopwatch is just a game mechanic that doesn't need an explanation.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on April 05, 2012, 05:17:09 PM
** checks for an announcement for Lords of Shadow sequel, finds none, is sad **
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Post by: Profbeanburrito on April 05, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Nothing new on the cox blog yet about the sequel, but it sounds like there's going to be a full sound track release for those interested
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Post by: Reinhart77 on April 05, 2012, 09:28:14 PM
really?  that's awesome.
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Post by: Flame on April 05, 2012, 11:02:03 PM
Bout time. We're talking LoS right?
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 06, 2012, 08:41:20 AM
Full soundtrack? I'm sold.
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Post by: Thunderbrand on April 06, 2012, 09:07:44 AM
Oh great! So we have another hint at another announcement which will probably never come, and if it does it won't be what we're looking for. Sorry, but I just don't believe a damn thing anymore until there is an OFFICIAL announcement.

I won't hold my breath though. Seems like CV is stuck in limbo.
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Post by: Dremn on April 07, 2012, 01:37:19 PM
He never did say when we would find out what he's doing. I think we all just assumed "this week."

E3 is our best bet, but I wouldn't mind a teaser before the show.

I wonder if the game will take place fully inside the castle this time.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 07, 2012, 02:13:34 PM
He never did say when we would find out what he's doing. I think we all just assumed "this week."

E3 is our best bet, but I wouldn't mind a teaser before the show.

I wonder if the game will take place fully inside the castle this time.
Hope not. If anything LoS took praise for its variety of locales. Wouldn't mind more CV-ish ones though
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Post by: Dremn on April 07, 2012, 05:23:46 PM
I'm not against outside locales, but they need to adjust the pacing. One of the biggest complaints I have with LoS is that the land of the lycans took up a great majority of the game than it needed to. Hardly any stages taking place during the night too, daytime stages are fine but there were too many.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 07, 2012, 08:07:31 PM
I agree
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Post by: Reinhart77 on April 07, 2012, 10:25:18 PM
well, Dracula wasn't around to make it permanent night all the time.  next game, i'm sure he'll do his job and ensure everything's all dark all the time.
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Post by: Rugal on April 08, 2012, 08:02:40 AM
well, Dracula wasn't around to make it permanent night all the time.  next game, i'm sure he'll do his job and ensure everything's all dark all the time.

Highly doubtful.

Also, why are you guys so interested in the soundtrack? The Lord of the Rings soundtrack came out a long time ago.

Here are the only two pieces of music from that game you need to worry about:

Castlevania Lords of Shadow Music - Waterfalls of Agharta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmUZ8B2pgAc#)

Courtyard: Castlevania Lords of Shadow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPhBIgaKEs#)

There. Money saved.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 08, 2012, 09:50:24 AM
2/10
Keep trying
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Post by: Flame on April 08, 2012, 11:15:57 AM
I'd like an actual release of the music box Vampire killer, since the only versions out there include the noises in the background.

also, yeah, 3/10, unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.

also, Theme of Belmont is good too, as is the LoS theme itself, even if it's a bit overused. (those were released though)
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 08, 2012, 11:46:22 AM
"The Final Confrontation", "The Warg" and many others are very good too. I found a full gamerip of LoS' soundtrack, and it's great, but an official release would be killer.
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Post by: meanguyjones on April 08, 2012, 04:36:50 PM
Highly doubtful.

Also, why are you guys so interested in the soundtrack? The Lord of the Rings soundtrack came out a long time ago.

Here are the only two pieces of music from that game you need to worry about:

Castlevania Lords of Shadow Music - Waterfalls of Agharta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmUZ8B2pgAc#)

Courtyard: Castlevania Lords of Shadow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPhBIgaKEs#)

There. Money saved.


hurr hey guys its orchestrated and in a fantasy setting that must mean its the same as the lord of the rings durrr
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Post by: Rugal on April 08, 2012, 04:51:26 PM
The word troll is thrown around way too much. I was actually being quite serious. Please don't sit there and tell me that the music in this game sounds and different than any stock fantasy music you hear in the movies. I for one am insulted by this soundtrack after having 25 years of memorable music that is still remixed by people to this day.

Sorry to say, but the LoS soundtrack is not a memorable one in my opinion. It will just fade away.

OH SHIT GUYS! LOOK AT THIS NEW AWESOME LOS2 PICTURE! IT'S MANTICORE FROM ARIA OF SORROW/DAWN OF SORROW!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fuf8QA.jpg&hash=34020e189a8dbeccfc7984dd643c8fc5)














Oh wait.. That's from the new Dark Souls content that's coming out. Sorry.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 08, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
I think this track was Criminally overlooked in the original OST release  >:(
Dark Lord of the Vampires: Castlevania Lords of Shadow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRfnb3ugcD0#)

^ Beautiful Manticore. IGA (And MS artists of course) take note!
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Post by: crisis on April 08, 2012, 06:42:15 PM
That manticore is very prunyuu~

hope this track is remixed for los2~
Castlevania Harmony of Dissonance - Seller Of Fine Goods (Merchant's Theme) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEM99EB9oKg#)
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Post by: Kingshango on April 08, 2012, 07:26:46 PM
Manticore looks dope, hope we see something like that in LOS2

Also, I like this track in LOS when you fought the black knight/The Forgotton One, shame it wasn't in the official soundtrack.

Castlevania: LoS OST - The Black Knight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ZCf0GQ-yA#ws)
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Post by: Munchy on April 08, 2012, 07:48:31 PM
That manticore is very prunyuu~

hope this track is remixed for los2~
Castlevania Harmony of Dissonance - Seller Of Fine Goods (Merchant's Theme) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEM99EB9oKg#)

Only if the Merchant is scratching out phat beats while selling you goods.
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Post by: Nagumo on April 09, 2012, 01:50:24 AM
I think this track was Criminally overlooked in the original OST release  >:(

It starts out like it could be a sinister theme, but then it's ruined by adding all those bombastic elements, and then it aimlessly goes on for a couple of minutes.   
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Post by: uzo on April 09, 2012, 07:21:01 AM
It starts out like it could be a sinister theme, but then it's ruined by adding all those bombastic elements, and then it aimlessly goes on for a couple of minutes.

I'm going to have to agree here. It doesn't stand out at all to me like most of LoS's OST.
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Post by: GummiCandyful on April 09, 2012, 12:57:35 PM
Out of all the boss battle themes in LoS, this was my favorite. Too bad it wasn't included in the official soundtrack.


Mechanical Monstrosity: Castlevania Lords of Shadow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRPRJ_0kAW4-yA#ws)
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Post by: Vrakanox on April 09, 2012, 06:52:35 PM
Castlevania Facebook says to make sure you are up to date on all Castlevania related information by liking the LOS Castlevania page... Maybe announcement coming soon.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on April 09, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
maybe they're gearing up to announce the next big social gaming facebook game?
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Post by: Dremn on April 09, 2012, 10:56:37 PM
maybe they're gearing up to announce the next big social gaming facebook game?
LOL
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Chernabogue on April 09, 2012, 11:24:07 PM
Castlevania: Lords of Social
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Post by: Munchy on April 10, 2012, 01:55:23 AM
maybe they're gearing up to announce the next big social gaming facebook game?

SHHHHH! Konami has enough bad ideas already!

...

......


Castlevania: Gin Rummy of Tartarus
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 10, 2012, 08:24:23 AM
What about finally a Castlevania Dating Sim?? With some X scenes of course.. gotta use that whip!
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Post by: Sumac on April 10, 2012, 08:47:01 AM
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What about finally a Castlevania Dating Sim?? With some X scenes of course.. gotta use that whip!
It's more in line with IGA's work. Besides, he already worked on the dating sim, if I am not mistaking.
Also, KOF had dating sim series spin-off.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 10, 2012, 09:01:48 AM
What about finally a Castlevania Dating Sim?? With some X scenes of course.. gotta use that whip!
Set it in the post 2035 era with Soma, where you can have your option to woo Mina, Yoko or.... HAMMER! ;D
Title: kiss me...
Post by: crisis on April 10, 2012, 10:29:54 AM
Akumajo Dracula:The Arcade already has a "dating sim" ending if you beat it as the Little Witch (obvious reference to Tokimeki Memorial). Dracula attempts to woo her into a sexual favor.


I'm serious.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 10, 2012, 11:02:00 AM
Set it in the post 2035 era with Soma, where you can have your option to woo Mina, Yoko or.... HAMMER! ;D

I'd Kickstart it.
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Post by: Sumac on April 10, 2012, 11:05:48 AM
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Akumajo Dracula:The Arcade already has a "dating sim" ending if you beat it as the Little Witch (obvious reference to Tokimeki Memorial). Dracula attempts to woo her into a sexual favor.
Now this is something that I never expacted or could imagine.
If this is true of course.
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Post by: Dremn on April 10, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
This has nothing really to do with anything were talking about now, but does anyone think they'll give ol Dracul a real design/outfit or will they stick to his tattered clothes in the epilogue? I keep imagining ol Gabe in his armor, but now worn out and corrupted looking, long old grey/white hair, and maybe wearing a demonic looking cape. I just keep getting that idea when I think of how he looked in the ending to Resurrection.

And another thought occurred to me. This might just be over speculation, but in those two pics David posted on his twitter, we see two guys in those suits used for...I forget whatever it is, but it made me think what if LoS2 doesn't have just one protagonist, but two. Like, working together and playing as one.


Man hurry up with that announcement Dave. :[
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Post by: Munchy on April 10, 2012, 02:11:27 PM
What about finally a Castlevania Dating Sim?? With some X scenes of course.. gotta use that whip!

Oh shit! You could make it compatible with the Kinect!
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Post by: Kingshango on April 10, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
This has nothing really to do with anything were talking about now, but does anyone think they'll give ol Dracul a real design/outfit or will they stick to his tattered clothes in the epilogue? I keep imagining ol Gabe in his armor, but now worn out and corrupted looking, long old grey/white hair, and maybe wearing a demonic looking cape. I just keep getting that idea when I think of how he looked in the ending to Resurrection.

And another thought occurred to me. This might just be over speculation, but in those two pics David posted on his twitter, we see two guys in those suits used for...I forget whatever it is, but it made me think what if LoS2 doesn't have just one protagonist, but two. Like, working together and playing as one.


Man hurry up with that announcement Dave. :[

Well in the epilogue, there's a statue of Dracula right above the entrance of the throne room and it appeared shirtless. So either he ditched armour later on due to it being damaged or he's been wreaking havoc across Europe without a shirt for 900 years. Plus he appears shirtless in the artwork (except the one with him on his throne with the cloak on him.)

As for the two guys in the mocap suits, I dunno could be anything.

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Post by: Munchy on April 10, 2012, 02:31:43 PM
Love that concept artwork of Dracula with the cloak. I don't agree with the story direction, but I do love that the epilogue and artwork attempt to bring to this Dracula a sense of "creepy-crawliness", if that makes sense.
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Post by: crisis on April 11, 2012, 02:05:22 PM
I gotta feeling the marketing for this game is gonna suck, just like the marketing for the first game

Konami just isn't the same anymore
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Post by: Kingshango on April 11, 2012, 08:02:54 PM
I gotta feeling the marketing for this game is gonna suck, just like the marketing for the first game

Konami just isn't the same anymore

The last time Konami went out of their way to promote a game was back in 2008 when MGS4 was coming out.

And after the Blades of Time fuck up, im starting to wonder if they even have a marketing team.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 11, 2012, 11:18:49 PM
I'm more fearsome of Konami's marketing than the quality of the game itself.

BTW Enric "The Boss" Alvarez just made a twitter account! And he already answered me 2 times, lovely guy.
https://twitter.com/#!/AlvarezEnric (https://twitter.com/#!/AlvarezEnric)

Also, he says (roughly translated) the announcement is "Very soon" and "You won't have to wait that much longer"
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Post by: Neobelmont on April 12, 2012, 12:25:22 AM
I gotta feeling the marketing for this game is gonna suck, just like the marketing for the first game

Konami just isn't the same anymore

The last time Konami went out of their way to promote a game was back in 2008 when MGS4 was coming out.

And after the Blades of Time fuck up, im starting to wonder if they even have a marketing team.


The funny part about this is that konami markets yu-gi-oh tcg commercials over top franchises don't believe me well here:



Yugioh Premium Collection Commercial (ENG) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30rK_hrvgKI#)
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Post by: Nagumo on April 12, 2012, 03:57:11 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg152.imageshack.us%2Fimg152%2F2443%2Faqnueooceaad3vwjpglarge.jpg&hash=694976f4ccd9f6d1a351cd8e7e7b8275)

Look closely to the left.
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Post by: flyingchai on April 12, 2012, 06:33:10 AM
Look closely to the left.

Hmm...."Castlevania 2"....
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Post by: Kingshango on April 12, 2012, 06:46:16 AM

Look closely to the left.

We need to go deeper.
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Post by: A-Yty on April 12, 2012, 06:47:01 AM
Where is that picture from?
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Post by: Nagumo on April 12, 2012, 06:53:04 AM
Flyingchai got it right. Picture is from here:

http://www.gamekyo.com/blog_article280076.html (http://www.gamekyo.com/blog_article280076.html)
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Post by: Kingshango on April 12, 2012, 07:03:59 AM
Konami might as well announce it now with an new trailer, we already know of it's existance.
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 12, 2012, 07:04:57 AM
Yeah, "Castlevania 2".
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Post by: Dremn on April 12, 2012, 08:14:49 AM
I can barely make out "Castlevania 2" on that TV screen.

Everytime I try to guess when Konami will launch trailers/make announcements I'm always dead wrong, but if that twitter post is anything to go by then I guess we'll hear something this weekend.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 12, 2012, 08:54:34 AM
Hahahah Don't break my heart like that! That comes from the NAMCO-BANDAI convention where Dragon Ball Z and One Piece were announced yesterday. I don't think it reads Castlevania 2 BTW. But it's ok only 2 months to E3  ;)
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Post by: Dremn on April 12, 2012, 09:01:15 AM
I zoomed in on that pic.

"Castfallama 2"
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Post by: crisis on April 12, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that says "Castlevania 2"

Or it's spinoff "Castlemania 2"
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Post by: beingthehero on April 12, 2012, 09:26:15 AM
I hate to be a negative nancy but are you sure it says Castlevania 2? It honestly looks like CastleLlama 2, which would be beautiful.
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Post by: Nagumo on April 12, 2012, 09:35:46 AM
I've read the comments, and apperently whoever posted that pic made a mistake. It says something different. 
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on April 12, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
LOL and here I am posting rumors on Facebook because of this LIKE A SUCKER.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 12, 2012, 11:22:37 AM
So it was a troll post? Well that was lame of them.

BTW what is a Castlelamma?
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on April 12, 2012, 11:29:26 AM
So it was a troll post? Well that was lame of them.

BTW what is a Castlelamma?

A lamma who plays Castlevania  :P ;D
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Post by: beingthehero on April 12, 2012, 03:01:12 PM
Jorge-sama, just pretend you were talking about Castle Llama 2.
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Post by: Dremn on April 12, 2012, 03:24:30 PM
I did the same thing Jorge.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 12, 2012, 07:34:39 PM
But remain calm. konami is insisting in its official fanpage for people to like the LoS page, not the Cv page note it.. it's coming guys, it's coming!
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Post by: A-Yty on April 13, 2012, 04:03:16 AM
konami is insisting in its official fanpage for people to like the LoS page

So now all we need is someone who likes LoS

Ba dum tssshhh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI#)
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Post by: GummiCandyful on April 13, 2012, 11:26:22 AM
^ Someone? Don't be surprised that people may actually have enjoyed the game, like myself.
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Post by: affinity on April 13, 2012, 11:38:11 AM
LoS is really not the direction the series should go.   

IGA was doing fine with extremely fun Castlevanias like Order of Ecclesia and Harmony of Despair until Konami pulled the reigns and handed it to some developer that doesn't even respect the Castlevania fanbase preferences for a Castlevania,  and Cox developed something even worse than Castlevania LOI and COD, which were decent in comparison (the series shouldn't be 3-D anyway.) 


next, LoS2 will be about Dracula flying around with Gatling Guns and some story taking place in some New Yorkish city.   
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on April 13, 2012, 11:52:01 AM
next, LoS2 will be about Dracula flying around with Gatling Guns and some story taking place in some New Yorkish city.

I don't know, but that sounds kinda awesome to me. 
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Post by: uzo on April 13, 2012, 01:33:28 PM
An official announcement is close at hand, and look who shows up again. Our favorite corporate undercover agent; affinity.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 13, 2012, 02:44:25 PM
Affinity is back?

Lords of Shadow 2 at E3 confirmed! ;D
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Post by: Vampire Killer on April 13, 2012, 03:02:40 PM
Dammit, I still have yet to finish the first CastleLlama, and here they are already releasing a second.

Oh well, I hear in the sequel you play as Llamacard
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Post by: Vampire Killer on April 13, 2012, 03:05:19 PM
I don't know, but that sounds kinda awesome to me.

They could make it a shmup

Vampire Rage Release Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTsmPHdEZJ8#ws)
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Post by: Nagumo on April 14, 2012, 01:39:02 AM
^ Someone? Don't be surprised that people may actually have enjoyed the game, like myself.

Pretty sure he was just joking.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on April 14, 2012, 07:00:41 AM
They could make it a shmup

Wow, that shmup looked pretty awesome, bwahaha.
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Post by: Sumac on April 14, 2012, 04:16:46 PM
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IGA was doing fine with extremely fun Castlevanias like Order of Ecclesia and Harmony of Despair until Konami pulled the reigns and handed it to some developer that doesn't even respect the Castlevania fanbase preferences for a Castlevania,  and Cox developed something even worse than Castlevania LOI and COD, which were decent in comparison (the series shouldn't be 3-D anyway.) 
Oh my... ???
It seems like The End of the World will come this year.
Our favorite fanatical PR manager returned to this place to spread "happy-happy-happyness".
P.S.
HD - extremely fun? Maybe (for some). Creative and quality game? No.
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Post by: Dremn on April 14, 2012, 06:00:46 PM
So how about that announcement huh

:|
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Post by: thernz on April 14, 2012, 06:07:15 PM
The real question is:

Do you want the announcement to come at all?
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Post by: Flame on April 14, 2012, 06:37:45 PM
The real question is:

Do you want the announcement to come at all?

yeah, I cant wait for something to be said, I mean, we all knew a sequel was coming, since pretty much everyone bought LoS, because yknow, nobody knew what to expect, and a bit of clever trailer trickery made us assume a Belmont and Dracula would square off with an epic ass castle. Plus curiosity. So everyone bought it. (in the end we still got a Belmont and Dracula and a castle... just... not as the trailer presented it)

We have to see how the sequel does in upping LoS, - and how it sells.
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Post by: Pedrith on April 14, 2012, 07:17:28 PM
Well I for one am really looking forward to a sequel to Lords of Shadow.  Having only played four previous Castlevania games (Super Castlevania IV, SOTN, LOI and COD) I felt the first game was a nice natural progression, despite it's few flaws.  I really hope the new game shows how Gabriel becomes Dracula and resolves Laura's plotline, while also giving us the chance to see Dracula's point of view over several centuries.  I would also be really happy if we got to see more of the castle and the inclusion of of a few more monsters from SOTN (especially the Succubus--perhaps a concubine for old Drac - and that weird monster with the woman tail from the underground).

While I like the music, I think they need to have more chapter specific themes (instead of a few themes used as leitmotif), and some baroque would be nice, but I like baroque. 

Cheers,

David
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Post by: Kingshango on April 14, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
The real question is:

Do you want the announcement to come at all?

*Raises hand*

Lets be honest here, the bar for 3D Castlevania isn't exactly high, If the highest is the CV64/PS2 games and the lowest being Judgement, then Lords of Shadow 2 has nowhere to go but up. If the rumored info about it being a non linear 3D adventure game like Darksiders is true, then it's already a step up.

And some non shoehorned Castlevania elements wouldn't hurt either.
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Post by: Dremn on April 14, 2012, 08:23:47 PM
The real question is:

Do you want the announcement to come at all?
Lords of Shadow wasn't the worst thing ever, and I'm willing to give the sequel a shot.

Honestly if it wasn't for the epilogue and Dracul I wouldn't even bother to give this new direction another chance. I want to hope the sequel will improve on a lot of things but I'm also just hungry for any kind of Castlevania news at this point.
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Post by: Vrakanox on April 14, 2012, 08:48:06 PM
If the rumored info about it being a non linear 3D adventure game like Darksiders is true, then it's already a step up.

And some non shoehorned Castlevania elements wouldn't hurt either.

I haven't heard this rumor yet but that would be awesome. It needs to go more non-linear, especially since it's Castlevania, they could really pull in some fans if the budget is the same as Lords. Also like you said it just needs to be more like Castlevania in general.
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Post by: crisis on April 14, 2012, 09:02:14 PM
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I gotta feeling the marketing for this game is gonna suck
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Post by: Nagumo on April 15, 2012, 03:43:43 AM
Kind of off-topic, but according to Cox, the reason why Gabriel calls himself "Dracul", is because he defeated Satan, so he thinks of himself as the real devil/Satan.

Thoughts?
 
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Chernabogue on April 15, 2012, 05:20:07 AM
Kind of off-topic, but according to Cox, the reason why Gabriel calls himself "Dracul", is because he defeated Satan, so he thinks of himself as the real devil/Satan.

Thoughts?
Sounds kinda right to me.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 15, 2012, 08:29:32 AM
Kind of off-topic, but according to Cox, the reason why Gabriel calls himself "Dracul", is because he defeated Satan, so he thinks of himself as the real devil/Satan.

Thoughts?
 

So Gabriel beats Satan, gets uber dark powers and thinks he's the real devil.

Sounds narcissistic but it's totally something Dracula/Dracul would do. So Im gonna guess it's the people who only refer to him as "Dracula"?
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Post by: Koutei on April 15, 2012, 08:42:37 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/CastlevaniaLOS/status/191440644609277952

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@CastlevaniaLOS So Dracula calls himself Dracul because in HIS
mind he IS The Dragon since he whipped Satan's ass. Did I get that
right? ;-D

David Cox‏ @CastlevaniaLOS
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Post by: Flame on April 15, 2012, 08:44:04 AM
Well, It IS called "Devil's Castle Dracula"... so... I guess the thought about fits.
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Post by: thernz on April 15, 2012, 09:09:23 AM
Maybe Dracul is the father of Dracula who is then the father of Alucard.
Dracul, Zobek, and Alucard high-fiving each other over Satan and Dracula's beaten pulps.

That'd be zany.
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Post by: flyingchai on April 15, 2012, 09:17:14 AM
So Gabriel beats Satan, gets uber dark powers and thinks he's the real devil.

Sounds narcissistic but it's totally something Dracula/Dracul would do. So Im gonna guess it's the people who only refer to him as "Dracula"?

To the rest of the world, Satan is the most terrible being with 'Dracula' being terrible enough to be considered Satan's son. However in Dracula's own mind, he's the top dog, so he should get the title of The Dragon. Hence why he calls himself Dracul....
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Flame on April 15, 2012, 09:23:34 AM
To the rest of the world, Satan is the most terrible being with 'Dracula' being terrible enough to be considered Satan's son. However in Dracula's own mind, he's the top dog, so he should get the title of The Dragon. Hence why he calls himself Dracul....

Sounds about right.
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Post by: Reinhart77 on April 15, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
that's pretty cool. 
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Kingshango on April 15, 2012, 10:44:55 AM
To the rest of the world, Satan is the most terrible being with 'Dracula' being terrible enough to be considered Satan's son. However in Dracula's own mind, he's the top dog, so he should get the title of The Dragon. Hence why he calls himself Dracul....

That and the fact that he actually beat Satan in combat, fuelling his dark ego. That's pretty cool, also:
Well, It IS called "Devil's Castle Dracula"... so... I guess the thought about fits.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on April 15, 2012, 10:56:57 AM
I really hope the new game shows how Gabriel becomes Dracula and resolves Laura's plotline

It was resolved. She's dead. Gabriel ate her. She wanted it that way.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Belmontoya on April 15, 2012, 11:00:10 AM
I've said before and I'll say it again. LOS was a seriously needed breath of fresh air. Castlevania was in a deep rut before that game. It brought in new fans and put the series back on the map as a serious home console title and not just a campy nintendo DS B title.

Not that the IGA games were bad, SOTN and DOS are great games. But let's be real here. Do you really think Castlevania was going to be able to continue on like that for another decade?

I only wish Konami would get a new developer to make the next 2Dvania as well. It's about time to reboot that facet of the series. IGA has made some great contributions but it's time for him to pass the torch. It's long over due in fact.

I think this quote from XBOX magazine sums it up pretty well, "Water Castlevania's roots and a rollicking adventure sprouts forth ... Lords Of Shadow feels like 16-bit design filtered through 20 years of innovation. There is passion here for the old ways – all buffed to a 2010 gleam."

I, like many, many others, cannot wait for the sequel to LOS.
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Post by: crisis on April 15, 2012, 11:07:16 AM
People keep saying "IGA needs to go" when the last legitimate game he's released was almost 5 years ago (disregarding Despair)

It's arguable that just as many people considered OoE a breath of fresh air too

3D is good but the fact is, 2D is where CV shines & they'll be making a grave mistake if they don't release any more 2D titles

and like I said, Konami's poor marketing will kill the series faster than IGA ever could
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Nagumo on April 15, 2012, 11:11:26 AM
When looking at random video game boards you can instantly tell handheld Castlevanias are insanely popular. Why else do you think people everywhere want to see a Castlevania on 3DS? Konami just wanted to make more profit by rebooting Castlevania, but you can tell they didn't abandon the old demographic. Case in point the often visited offical fan page on Facebook which is seperate from the LoS one. I always think it's quite dumb when people act like the LoS reboot was supposed to be a necessity because frankly, they don't know what they are talking about.         
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Chernabogue on April 15, 2012, 11:27:06 AM
I don't understand why you guys are saying that the marketing for the game is going to suck. It is still not announced... I don't get it.  :-\
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: JR on April 15, 2012, 11:36:33 AM
What that means is Konami will not spend any money to promote the game at all, something they've been doing with nearly all of their games lately.
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Post by: Dremn on April 15, 2012, 11:40:39 AM
What that means is Konami will not spend any money to promote the game at all, something they've been doing with nearly all of their games lately.
What the hell is going on with Konami? It's like video games aren't their main concern anymore, are they making a heftier profit from pachinko slots?

I find it really sad what's happened to them. Castlevania, Metal Gear, Silent Hill. How does a company with these big flagship IPs go under?
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Kingshango on April 15, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
That's the weird thing, Konami is actually MAKING a profit, even more so than Capcom.

I asked in another thread how Konami has not gone under like other companies despite making bad discussion after bad discussion and doing so little, yet still afloat like nothing.

Turns out it's a combination of their non gaming venue's (hotel's, gambling machines etc) and the money they earned over the years that keeping them alive. But the way this economy is going I don't see it lasting long.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: uzo on April 15, 2012, 02:38:09 PM
bad discussion after bad discussion and doing so little

How so? Only in Castlevania do they seem to be dropping the ball. In fact, they've made brilliant decisions like stamping out MGS games like candy. Mucho money in that department.

You may not like it, but they're not in the red, and their popularity is through the roof. I'm not surprised at all.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on April 15, 2012, 02:46:25 PM
I'm personally sick of MGS, Revengeance looks awful.

But more on that another day and in another thread. Their treatment of the Silent Hill franchise is the biggest offense they've committed this gen.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twi
Post by: Ahasverus on April 15, 2012, 03:07:34 PM
@Some: Ecclesia was not a breath of fresh air, it was a good became because it returned to the original lineal estructure combining it with the Metroidvania but I'm sure you can take only much from that style before getting tired again, I'd say IGA would have made 2 more games before we were more pissed than we re now. And oh Yes, thanks Lord IGA is gone, in a basement, making dating sims, mediocre Gradius clones and bad Frogger games (For real).

Where he belongs.

I'm not saying that CV is in the BEST hands (while I think it's in the best it's been for years) but IGA's are the worst of the worst, he's just so... unambitious and complacent... He's the emboidment of the actual Konami spirit. Thank God MS is external.

In other news, Revengeance looks GREAT you can't go wrong with Platinum  ;)
To the rest of the world, Satan is the most terrible being with 'Dracula' being terrible enough to be considered Satan's son. However in Dracula's own mind, he's the top dog, so he should get the title of The Dragon. Hence why he calls himself Dracul....
You won my love, that sounds really good.

Liking this explanation, lots better that "I was named myself Dracula and then killed the one people called Dracula and took his place, and nobody noticed" explanation that we had before :)
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Post by: Munchy on April 15, 2012, 03:54:46 PM
Okay, the dating sims and Otomedius I know about, but where has it ever been said that IGA had a hand in any Frogger games, ever? I'm legitimately curious.
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Post by: crisis on April 15, 2012, 03:58:01 PM
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I'd say IGA would have made 2 more games before we were more pissed than we re now. And oh Yes, thanks Lord IGA is gone, in a basement, making dating sims, mediocre Gradius clones and bad Frogger games (For real).

Where he belongs.

I'm not saying that CV is in the BEST hands (while I think it's in the best it's been for years) but IGA's are the worst of the worst, he's just so... unambitious and complacent... He's the emboidment of the actual Konami spirit. Thank God MS is external.

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Okay, the dating sims and Otomedius I know about, but where has it ever been said that IGA had a hand in any Frogger games, ever? I'm legitimately curious.

Don't think he's had a hand in that series either. But Frogger did receive a proper 25th Anniversary tribute I think!
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 15, 2012, 04:15:40 PM
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0/10
try again
Judging by the minus points I think I did it right. It shouldn't hurt if there's no wound ;)
Okay, the dating sims and Otomedius I know about, but where has it ever been said that IGA had a hand in any Frogger games, ever? I'm legitimately curious.
I heard he was involved on Frogger 25th Anniversary O.o
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Post by: Munchy on April 15, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
I could find nothing about IGA having any Frogger involvement on Google. In fact, the first results are posts on this forum complaining that Frogger got recognition while Castlevania didn't.

I mean, with Konami's fuckery recently, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they made him helm a Frogger game. I just can't find it.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 15, 2012, 04:47:59 PM
How so? Only in Castlevania do they seem to be dropping the ball. In fact, they've made brilliant decisions like stamping out MGS games like candy. Mucho money in that department.

You may not like it, but they're not in the red, and their popularity is through the roof. I'm not surprised at all.

Hudson.

What they did to Hudson (and Team Silent for that matter) is beyond forgiveness, doesn't matter if the make the perfect Metal Gear or the best Castlevania ever created, what they did was foul.

And if it wasn't for my interest for Castlevania and Revengance (mainly for Platinums involvement ) I would have dropped Konami entirely by now.

Don't be surprised when you see the news headline "Koji Igarashi resigns from Konami, disbands Japanese Castlevania team" in the near future, you know it's coming.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 15, 2012, 05:49:59 PM
I mean, with Konami's fuckery recently, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they made him helm a Frogger game. I just can't find it.
Oh ok thank you, it seems I'm wrong on that one O.o

So IGA has only made Otomedius and Tokimeki after HoD? Weird, I mean, he was a known developer, even with its failures in CV, he must have some vision or something worth developing.

And then Konami greenlit Neverdead and Blades of Time... and the abortion called SHCollection.

WTF Konami?
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Post by: beingthehero on April 15, 2012, 05:57:36 PM
To be honest, the Silent Hill collection is kind of fascinating for its terribleness.
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Post by: Rugal on April 15, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
I hope the ending to LoS2 isn't dlc.
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Post by: Dremn on April 15, 2012, 07:52:50 PM
I hope the ending to LoS2 isn't dlc.
I wouldn't mind DLC if it was just extra levels for the sake of extra playtime and nothing that directly effected the story.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 15, 2012, 08:50:23 PM
I hope the ending to LoS2 isn't dlc.
I don't think they will do sucha  thing, if anything the ending of LoS was one of its most praised aspects, I think they'll try to blow it out from the water
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Post by: uzo on April 15, 2012, 08:59:50 PM
They've already done it with the first. I'm sure the second will follow suit.

Get your wallets ready.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 15, 2012, 09:14:20 PM
They've already done it with the first. I'm sure the second will follow suit.

Get your wallets ready.
Ehm, no? If anything, Resurection was /worse/ than the actual ending, which was emotional and all the stuff (not counting the epilogue). I think the game ended pretty well. You can't call it incomplete
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Post by: Munchy on April 15, 2012, 09:43:00 PM
The real crime wasn't making DLC levels. It was splitting them in two and charging too much money for each one.
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Post by: Dremn on April 15, 2012, 10:18:27 PM
Get your wallets ready.
I'm not opening shit until I see everything on youtube first. I'm glad I didn't buy Reverie or Resurrection.
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Post by: Flame on April 15, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
the DLC chapters seem more IMO, That they probably figured it best to explain the epilogue a bit more. Since last we see him he's standing on a cliff all mopey after having saved Humanity and gained nothing from it, and suddenly, EU SUNT DRACUL. IN A MODERN DAY CITY.

so they rushed 2 dlc packs for it. Their quality, things like the cutscenes being the sketchy artwork still things and the narrative and story progression feeling too quick, screams to me that they rushed them after LoS's Epilogue reception, to try and explain a bit more.

And maybe Konami figured it could make more money by splitting them into two dlc chapters, IDK. but the DLC extra chapters furthering the story were just an odd thing for a game that was very well complete without them.

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lots better that "I was named myself Dracula and then killed the one people called Dracula and took his place, and nobody noticed" explanation that we had before
Except we never had that explanation. It's an unexplained plot hole that Dracula is not in fact the historical figure, but a crusader named Mathias. In a timeline where the historical Dracula still existed, and the normal world still spreads the urban legends about him and such.

Unless Mathias WAS the historical Dracula in the IGAverse.

you know, the more I think about it, considering Gabriel calling himself Dracul, "the Dragon", It makes less and less sense why Mathias would call himself "Son of the Dragon". The theoretical philosophy behind Gabriel's name cant apply to Mathias, since Satan has never really made an appearance in the IGAverse. Hell has, more or less, but not Satan. Mathias gained his vampirism through Alchemical sorcery, and never bested any big bad demonic foes head to head. In fact, he duped his best friend into doing all that for him. And he always assumed the name Son of the Dragon. Who is Dracul, the dragon, in the IGAverse?  Does Mathias consider Satan the Dragon and himself the spawn of Satan? "Devil's castle Dracula"?

perhaps it was just something that was never really thought out. After all, namimg him Dracul just wouldnt have been as iconic as "Dracula". ANd when the character was created, he was the same Dracula from the movies and book, who was loosely based around the real life Vlad lll "Tepes" Dracula, son of Vlad ll Dracul. It wasnt till IGA decided to make an ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL out of him and give him a unique origin story, that the origins of the name suddenly went out the window and made no sense.

LoS on the other hand, coming into the picture as a reboot/AU well into the franchise' lifespan and in an age where it's not too hard to look this shit up, has more freedom to actually reimagine Dracula with while a similar origin as IGA's, a name that makes more sense as someone who calls themself the Dragon without being the Son of any other Dragon- Dracul- as opposed to Dracula.


Interesting thought though, that means if we get a LoSverse Alucard, he would be the actual Dracula, Son of the Dragon.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Ahasverus on April 15, 2012, 11:25:07 PM
Interesting thought though, that means if we get a LoSverse Alucard, he would be the actual Dracula, Son of the Dragon.
And then the anagram would be even more justified, he's called Dracula but because he's good, he rejects the title and becomes Alucard the complete opposite of it.

Which ould leave the other Belmonts out of the question, and that's impossible because Cox has said many times that LoS "Shows the motives between the conflict between the Belmont family and Dracula".

Perhaps the Belmonts were concieved when he was human and Alucard (dracula) when he was already a vampire? Is there going to be a Lord Adrian in the new series? I hope so!
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 16, 2012, 12:10:52 AM
Except we never had that explanation. It's an unexplained plot hole that Dracula is not in fact the historical figure, but a crusader named Mathias. In a timeline where the historical Dracula still existed, and the normal world still spreads the urban legends about him and such.

Unless Mathias WAS the historical Dracula in the IGAverse.
Actually, Mathias WAS the historical Dracula in the IGAverse/classic canon. The whole theory about "some other guy named Dracula stealing Mathias's powers" was just fanfiction, plain and simple. There was enough room due to the gap in the timeline for it and no game to retcon it, so it exists simply because fans WANT it, but considering what IS in the canon(bypassing fan bullshit), AND taking into consideration that IGA said Mathias changed his name to Dracula Vlad Tepes(adopted a new identity and cast off his old name), this is basically the truth in the old series.


you know, the more I think about it, considering Gabriel calling himself Dracul, "the Dragon", It makes less and less sense why Mathias would call himself "Son of the Dragon". The theoretical philosophy behind Gabriel's name cant apply to Mathias, since Satan has never really made an appearance in the IGAverse. Hell has, more or less, but not Satan. Mathias gained his vampirism through Alchemical sorcery, and never bested any big bad demonic foes head to head. In fact, he duped his best friend into doing all that for him. And he always assumed the name Son of the Dragon. Who is Dracul, the dragon, in the IGAverse?  Does Mathias consider Satan the Dragon and himself the spawn of Satan? "Devil's castle Dracula"?
IGA stated "Dracula" means "Son of the Devil" even though it means "Son of the Dragon". And given the reason why Mathias would change his name(to wage war against God), it's only fitting he renamed himself the son of God's enemy. The opposite of Jesus Christ, the Antichrist. Later on, of course, Dracula would game recognition as the Dark Lord, king of monsters, and become the classic canon's "Devil", but that early on, before he was truly the "Dark Lord" of the later years, naming himself the "Son of the Devil" would suffice. And after all the years, it probably just stuck. Why rename himself to Dracul? Besides, just familiarly speaking, the name "Dracula" sounds better, IMO. Plus, even though Satan(or, just say "The Devil") isn't mentioned doesn't mean the belief in him(an ultimate figure of evil) doesn't exist. Leon and Mathias were holy knights, fighting FOR the church and God. No doubt there were MANY believers back that felt the dark things were due to the Devil's influence. And like I said, Mathias might've not known the true extent of the darkness, his power or what he'd become when during LoI. I'd liken it to Sephiroth in FFVII. In the Nibleheim scene(whole scene, up until Cloud flings him into the Mako pit), he's pretty hard pressed in believing he's a member of the Cetra race, believing he's a rightful heir to the planet that was taken from him and his people by the humans. It isn't until later he becomes aware of what he truly is, and accepts it.

Though, if we're up to fan interpretation/theory, I mentioned this before, but symbolically, I think Walter Bernhard was the classic canon's "Dracul". I think he has dragon heads on his kneeplates, and the entrance to his stage "Pagoda of the Misty Moon"(the very area where he gives Sara back to Leon) has large dragon skeletons pressed into the marble floor. Walter was also a very powerful vampire and was Mathias/Dracula's predecessor.
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Post by: Flame on April 16, 2012, 01:20:03 PM
Ah, so it was basically IGA screwing up his information on what Dracula means. Ok.

still, while I guess that makes sense in the antichrist fashion, if the historical dracula still existed, then that means that mathias practically faked his own family. he faked himself as his father and then became the son. or something.

I just figured that given the fact that Dracula is rather arrogant and such, that he wouldnt name himself son of anything, but the actual menace itself.

oh well.

Score 1 for Gabuella then. Mathias considers himself son of the devil. Gabriel considers himself THE devil.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 16, 2012, 02:40:26 PM
Ah, so it was basically IGA screwing up his information on what Dracula means. Ok.
In literal terms, yes. But, IGA was playing off the biblical notion that Devil and Dragon means the same thing.

still, while I guess that makes sense in the antichrist fashion, if the historical dracula still existed, then that means that mathias practically faked his own family. he faked himself as his father and then became the son. or something.
What Mathias did, I dont' think we'll ever know the truth behind it. I mean, in some way, he rose to power and became a "ruler"(not just in the Dark Lord sense, but a ruler of land, with villages under him). I'm leaning towards the whole "secret history" thing. That, in the CV universe, the truth behind Dracula is the truth in it's world. There's a lot of dark things going on behind the scenes where the government and church are handling these matters. What is known by normal, everyday people in CV's world could be fabricated lies. Historical coverups to hide the dark truth that's been going on for centuries.



I just figured that given the fact that Dracula is rather arrogant and such, that he wouldnt name himself son of anything, but the actual menace itself.
Two major differences between Mathias and Gabriel. Mathias becomes a vampire with little to no knowledge of his potential(other than being a powerful vampire and existing as an immortal to mock God's decree of mortality), nor the truth behind the darkness and Chaos fully realized(until MUCH much later). Gabriel's becomes aware of Satan(in LoS) and his own powers by the end of the DLC. He is already pretty drenched in what dark potential he has within his body, and knows fully well he handed Satan his own ass. Totally different characters. One is basically a greenhorn vamp, the other knows that he defeated the most infamous figure of evil in all of Christianity. They are both pretty stark contrasts in themselves.
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Post by: Nagumo on April 17, 2012, 12:08:34 AM
I've read in a guidebook about vampires that "Dracul" is an old Romanian word for devil,  and that it later got a different meaning. While we know that the intented meaning of Dracula is "son of the dragon", the alternative "son of the devil" is also correct technically.   
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Post by: flyingchai on April 17, 2012, 06:47:43 AM

 Two major differences between Mathias and Gabriel. Mathias becomes a vampire with little to no knowledge of his potential(other than being a powerful vampire and existing as an immortal to mock God's decree of mortality), nor the truth behind the darkness and Chaos fully realized(until MUCH much later). Gabriel's becomes aware of Satan(in LoS) and his own powers by the end of the DLC. He is already pretty drenched in what dark potential he has within his body, and knows fully well he handed Satan his own ass. Totally different characters. One is basically a greenhorn vamp, the other knows that he defeated the most infamous figure of evil in all of Christianity. They are both pretty stark contrasts in themselves.


This is what I love about our new rebooted Dracula, he's much more of a badass than the old canon's. In LoI, Mathias was just a conniving little bitch with a grudge against God that has someone else do all the work, get the soul of a powerful vampire, and leaves the scene. LoS shows that while the new Dracula still has a grudge, he was also a powerful warrior who defeated 2 Lords of Shadow, the most powerful demon ever, PLUS the first fallen angel. Definitely far more terrible than the old Drac.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 17, 2012, 06:49:55 AM
If you come to think, how many bad things did we watched (not told) old-Dracula Commit?
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An inusual clean dossier for the Prince of Darkness...
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 17, 2012, 07:47:36 AM
If you come to think, how many bad things did we watched (not told) old-Dracula Commit?
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An inusual clean dossier for the Prince of Darkness...
It's reflected by what happens in the original canon. Most of the times, Dracula sends his monsters out to cause havok amongst Transylvania/Wallachia, kill villagers and such. He's hands off, though still in control and the ruin and darkness that keeps these people(villagers) under seige is the direct result of him. Gabriel, we have yet to see him post DLC story(not counting the ending movie in the game). We don't know how he strikes his terror into the countryside(if he EVEN does that this time around. This new take, Dracula could be more of an anti-hero, not pure-villain, which would fit for a reboot).
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Post by: crisis on April 17, 2012, 07:51:58 AM
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This is what I love about our new rebooted Dracula, he's much more of a badass than the old canon's.

he hasn't even done anything yet
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 17, 2012, 08:29:47 AM
It's reflected by what happens in the original canon. Most of the times, Dracula sends his monsters out to cause havok amongst Transylvania/Wallachia, kill villagers and such. He's hands off, though still in control and the ruin and darkness that keeps these people(villagers) under seige is the direct result of him. Gabriel, we have yet to see him post DLC story(not counting the ending movie in the game). We don't know how he strikes his terror into the countryside(if he EVEN does that this time around. This new take, Dracula could be more of an anti-hero, not pure-villain, which would fit for a reboot).
So he's pretty much a local (Countryside!) troll, not humanity worst enemy.
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Post by: A-Yty on April 17, 2012, 08:35:05 AM
he hasn't even done anything yet
Yeah he has. He has angrily stated his name, appeared withered while dressed in a skirt-like thing and tried to suck a dude in a church.
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Post by: Flame on April 17, 2012, 08:45:42 AM
Yeah he has. He has angrily stated his name, appeared withered while dressed in a skirt-like thing and tried to suck a dude in a church.
That sounded incredibly hillarious.

Well, Zobek calls him the prince of darkness in the epilogue, and he crushed his Combat Cross and shit, he lost his humanity upon becoming a vampire, slowly becoming more evil. Then he mercilessly slaughtered Forgotten One and absorbed it's power.

Id say he will be a villain for part of the timeline, and then once we reach the epilogue, that might change. and he might become a more tragic figure again.
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Post by: flyingchai on April 17, 2012, 09:41:18 AM
he hasn't even done anything yet

As the rest of my original post pointed out, even though he was known as "Gabriel" while he did it, he still defeated Lords of Shadow (effectively killing 2 of the founders of his own order in the process), The Forgotten One, & Satan. He absorbed the power of The Lords and The Forgotten One by defeating them himself. All this is opposed to Mathias who obtained his power after Leon did the work and defeated Walter.
Hence why already, Gabriel / Dracula is already more of a badass because he obtained his own power by defeating the most powerful opponents on earth and in the Underworld.
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Post by: uzo on April 17, 2012, 10:08:20 AM
So he's pretty much a local (Countryside!) troll, not humanity worst enemy.

So Hitler was a countryside troll? They did effectively the same things. You know, that's how you run an army campaign and all.
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Post by: crisis on April 17, 2012, 10:22:20 AM
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Hence why already, Gabriel / Dracula is already more of a badass because he obtained his own power by defeating the most powerful opponents on earth and in the Underworld.

Likewise, Mathias owned one of the most powerful demons of the underworld (Galamoth), and has effectively took dominion over many ancient God-like demons (Pazuzu for instance) that came centuries before him. Even Death itself realizes that Mathias/Dracula is top dog.

Thus, the canon Dracula has a way better track record when it comes to demons. He literally controls Chaos.
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Post by: thernz on April 17, 2012, 11:47:41 AM
So he's pretty much a local (Countryside!) troll, not humanity worst enemy.
Well, idk about that, considering how widespread it was in Bloodlines, plus the implications in CVIII that he was basically all over Europe. Has nothing on Mongol God King Genghis Khan though.

I mean Lords Dracula has barely done anything, but he hasn't really been shown adequately yet. So whatever.
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Post by: Nagumo on April 17, 2012, 12:26:44 PM
So he's pretty much a local (Countryside!) troll, not humanity worst enemy.

If being the anti-christ is trolling, I guess so. I mean, that's what we know about him, and the entire point of the Belmont family is to make sure his influence stays contained within Wallachia. Questions such as "How many territory did he conquer?" seem kind of inrelevant in light of that.       

Not that I really care about which Dracula is more "badass". Saying LoS Dracula is tougher than old Dracula because he defeated X is dumb anyway, because you would just be arguing over imagined power levels.   
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Post by: Puwexil on April 17, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
I much preferred Mathias' way of pitting his friends, enemies and all the rest against each other with mere words and suggestion to achieve his goal, triumphantly riding into the sunset whilst smugly cackling like the chessmaster he is at the end of his machinations. Gabriel keeps getting played by everyone involved in his tale, and then resolves things by literally punching Satan in the face. What a stunning character arc.

Different strokes and all that.
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Post by: A-Yty on April 17, 2012, 12:43:50 PM
I think it's only in DC that it's mentioned that he was was "turning countries from good to bad". That can be interpreted as having actually sent his armies to to those countries, controlling their leaders or having his magic twist the people's minds. That sort of makes sense since he had not been killed before.

I think Drac's character evolution has been:

1) starting as a typical bad guy who just does it for the evulz
2) a man of revenge
3) a dark messiah type people resurrect for their own goals
4) an evil spirit, kind of like a force of nature

To shoehorn a fanon explonation: maybe the constant dying and resurrecting has gradually robbed him of all of his personality and he doesn't even remember Lisa or Alucard anymore.
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Post by: Nagumo on April 17, 2012, 12:59:32 PM
That bit about invading countries can only be found in the localized story. The Curse of Darkness manga says Dracula's influence was limited to a regional level, and the Church was attempting to contain the situation by making sure monsters didn't move outside of the region. Trevor was their last hope, otherwise it would have been game over for the world.       
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Post by: Flame on April 17, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
Likewise, Mathias owned one of the most powerful demons of the underworld (Galamoth), and has effectively took dominion over many ancient God-like demons (Pazuzu for instance) that came centuries before him. Even Death itself realizes that Mathias/Dracula is top dog.

Thus, the canon Dracula has a way better track record when it comes to demons. He literally controls Chaos.

or is HE controlled by Chaos?

The argument has been made before, taking into consideration games like SoTN, that he may not be the one who controls the power of chaos, but that he himself is a being of chaos and is therefore bound to chaos. he is controlled by it, he doesnt control it. I SoTN, Dracula seemed pretty finished. he was defeated by Alucard again, and finally got to hear Lisa's last words,

He even quotes the bible, on what worth it is to a man, if he gains everything but loses his soul. he seemed soundly defeated. And yet, POP goes the Dracula for the subsequent parts of the timeline, until he is killed, and separated from chaos, his soul left to reincarnate as a human somehow a few years later. Note that upon defeating Graham, who had assumed ownership of the Castle, Soma is recognized as it's master and infused with the forces of chaos, reminding him of who and what he is, and nearly awakening him as Dracula, in the DoS alternate story, he DOES succumb to chaos, and becomes Dracula again, becoming evil all the way.

Im pretty sure that Dracula, having become a creature of chaos, is controlled by chaos. He doesnt have a choice in the matter of his resurrections, whenever the chaos and darkness in people's hearts is at it's strongest, he comes back to life.

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To shoehorn a fanon explonation: maybe the constant dying and resurrecting has gradually robbed him of all of his personality and he doesn't even remember Lisa or Alucard anymore.
yeah while not robbed of his memories entirely, I do believe his mind is muddled and chaotic. Even if he admitted defeat and gave up, his next revival he would be back to his prime, ready to kill humanity regardless of whatever he said last life.

Actually, wasnt there some kind of official explanation regarding premature revivals messing with his mind?
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Post by: Dremn on April 17, 2012, 04:06:48 PM
2 new pages and no new info or announcement anywhere.

I need to stop checking this place until E3.
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Post by: Sumac on April 17, 2012, 04:49:37 PM
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Even Death itself realizes that Mathias/Dracula is top dog.
And then CVJ give some hints that Reaper just using Dracula to further his own goals. So different from Gabriel...sure.
Besides, initially Mathias contorlled Reaper and other monsters by using Crimson Stone, not his own powers. Though this was later promptly forgotten because of the wonderfull storytelling skills of certain producer.

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The argument has been made before, taking into consideration games like SoTN, that he may not be the one who controls the power of chaos, but that he himself is a being of chaos and is therefore bound to chaos.
Always thought that this idea about Chaos (possibly) fueling Dracula was bullshit.
Poor villain possibly was fueled by some unexplained power that was never mentioned before and never played big part in the series after that. Nice.  :rollseyes:

Though this maybe something to do with the fact that I personally never considered that Chaos = Evil, Order = Good. Stupid concept really.
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Post by: crisis on April 17, 2012, 06:54:33 PM
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And then CVJ give some hints that Reaper just using Dracula to further his own goals.
Moot point

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Besides, initially Mathias contorlled Reaper and other monsters by using Crimson Stone, not his own powers.
You're forgetting that Gabriel still has the Devil Mask. What if he uses it to gain power too? It's the same thing.

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Always thought that this idea about Chaos (possibly) fueling Dracula was bullshit.
The castle is a Creature of Chaos so it makes sense. But I'm sure if this new direction uses the same or similar explanation it would automatically be OK with you  :rollseyes:
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 17, 2012, 07:30:14 PM
I'm not defending any Dracula over another. Both have done nothing (Gabriel defeating TFO was kinda /something/ but.. technicaly he wasn't Dracula yet). However it's sad that we had like 25 games with the old Dracula and we never saw him killing anyone because.. of course he only appeared like for 5 mins before getting Killed again.
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Post by: Flame on April 17, 2012, 07:39:39 PM
Chaos itself itsnt necessarily "evil" as a force, just chaotic. Dracula uses it for evil however, and as far as an actual being from AoS goes, "Chaos" is the physical manifestation of the Castle's chaotic flow. The "soul" of the castle, I guess you could say. Upon killing Chaos, Soma effectively destroyed Castlevania.

What I mean is that the Chaotic flow within Castlevania is bound to Dracula and his power. his powers themselves are gained from Walter Bernhard, although the power of dominance may be related to the Crimson Stone.

Or just related to the fact that he dominates all monsters and shit.

by being bound to the chaos within his Castle, Dracula is practically just another creature of the castle. The same way that when the castle materializes, all manner of creatures and monsters arise with it, Dracula also arises, as the master of the castle. It's a perpetual cycle. Some times he is resurrected prematurely by followers, and other times he naturally resurrects within the 100 year cycle. He has no choice, he is trapped in the vicious cycle of reincarnation. Until Julius and the Hakuba priest sealed the castle in another dimension during the eclipse, separating his soul from the chaotic flow which would revive him, and possibly destroying his Crimson stone along with him.

as for Death, wasnt it stated that he isnt exactly the mythological figure that claims the souls of the dead, but just a really powerful necromancer? or "a" Death God? A Shinigami?


On Old Drac vs New Drac, I think we can just settle it like this:

Old Drac was a hands off warlord, directing his troops from his throne, coming to the fray himself only when the last lines of defense are defeated.

New Drac however, seems to be a more hands on "out there in the battlefield" warlord, fighting at the head of his troops, killing anything that gets in his way.

maybe.

At least for their origins it was that way. Mathias carefully planned everything out and had others do his dirty work, only declaring himself once everything has been done,

While Gabriel is really more a victim of circumstance, manipulated by others, but still having done all the dirty work himself, gaining his powers while he was still human, but falling to despair and depression, and once he is forced to sacrifice his humanity to stop a monster he is responsible for unleashing, the loss of his human heart pushes him directly over the edge into the abyss of darkness, where he declares himself.

Mathias is a genius tactician.

Gabriel is a supernaturally powerful warrior.
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Post by: Profbeanburrito on April 17, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
I really hope that whether you play as or fight Gabriel Dracula he still does his fireball attack.
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Post by: Flame on April 17, 2012, 11:12:10 PM
LoS already gave him a fireball attack.

Shadow Magic + Daggers

So its not entirely impossible
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 18, 2012, 12:04:12 AM
Since it's a totally new Dracula, he may have new capacities and not the original Dark Inferno/Hellfire/Demonic Meggido stuff.

He's more of a warrior than a wizard.
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Post by: Flame on April 18, 2012, 10:43:58 AM
Im really looking forward to a more in your face combat kind of Dracula than one that just shoots fireballs. A sword or something and some kind of evil looking armor, a change of pace would be nice, a break from the usual Dracula type of the nobleman with fireballs and shizz.

too bad he broke the Combat Cross, would have been neat to see him use it all corrupted or something, against future Belmonts.

Maybe he'll use another weapon, like a sword?
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Post by: Sumac on April 18, 2012, 10:45:44 AM
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Moot point
Agree, but it doesn't mean that it should be completely disregarded since some stuff that came from CVJ was canon.

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You're forgetting that Gabriel still has the Devil Mask. What if he uses it to gain power too? It's the same thing.
I wasn't talking about Gabriel at all at this moment.
I meant only that Mathias, at least initially, didn't had "power of dominance" and controlled monsters with the help of some artifact, that was inexplicably forgotten later on.

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The castle is a Creature of Chaos so it makes sense. But I'm sure if this new direction uses the same or similar explanation it would automatically be OK with you 
If it will explained later and will be permanent part of the storyline, not one of event, than I obviously will be OK with this. I like when stories are consistent.

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Chaos itself itsnt necessarily "evil" as a force, just chaotic. Dracula uses it for evil however, and as far as an actual being from AoS goes, "Chaos" is the physical manifestation of the Castle's chaotic flow. The "soul" of the castle, I guess you could say. Upon killing Chaos, Soma effectively destroyed Castlevania.
I am not sure about it, it was quite a time ago, but I think Soma need to "kill" Chaos in AOS because it was turning him into his former evil-self. So, in a sense it could be said, that Chaos is Evil in Castlevania. Or at least was "corrupted" by Dracula's evil, since Soma didn't not used Chaos for any purpose after turning into Dracula's reincarnation power-wise.

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as for Death, wasnt it stated that he isnt exactly the mythological figure that claims the souls of the dead, but just a really powerful necromancer? or "a" Death God? A Shinigami?
As with many things in this series, it was hinted, in COD, if I am not mistaking. But it was never elaborated or clarified later.
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Post by: Profbeanburrito on April 18, 2012, 11:11:34 AM
For the record I wasn't saying that Gabriel should ONLY shoot fireballs, I just meant that in addition to his badass fighting skills I would also like to see that as a magic attack
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Post by: A-Yty on April 18, 2012, 12:40:30 PM
As with many things in this series, it was hinted, in COD, if I am not mistaking.

How was it hinted?
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 18, 2012, 01:50:11 PM
In Judgment, it is said that Death is a god. But heh, it's Judgment... It is also stated in LoI but I'm not sure at all.
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Post by: Flame on April 18, 2012, 02:13:56 PM
I am not sure about it, it was quite a time ago, but I think Soma need to "kill" Chaos in AOS because it was turning him into his former evil-self. So, in a sense it could be said, that Chaos is Evil in Castlevania. Or at least was "corrupted" by Dracula's evil, since Soma didn't not used Chaos for any purpose after turning into Dracula's reincarnation power-wise.
As with many things in this series, it was hinted, in COD, if I am not mistaking. But it was never elaborated or clarified later.

I rewatched some AoS stuff, and the way that AoS described it was more along the lines of all the negativity and such, has created a chaotic spirit within the castle, which Dracula seems to draw power from and be influenced by. When Soma defeated Graham with the Giant Bat, Succubus and Flame Demon was it? Souls, the Castle Acknowledged him as Dracula, and the chaotic spirit of the Castle began to flow into him, "awakening" him to who he is, and slowly but surely trying to fully turn him into Dracula.

Arikado Alucard expands on the Creature of Chaos castle thing, calling Castlevania a spiritual entity made from Dracula's magic. Which furthers the idea that Soma did in fact destroy Castlevania upon killing the Chaos spirit flowing through it, which with Dracula gone, was probably the only thing keeping Castlevania alive.

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Post by: e105beta on April 18, 2012, 04:24:23 PM
Im really looking forward to a more in your face combat kind of Dracula than one that just shoots fireballs. A sword or something and some kind of evil looking armor, a change of pace would be nice, a break from the usual Dracula type of the nobleman with fireballs and shizz.

too bad he broke the Combat Cross, would have been neat to see him use it all corrupted or something, against future Belmonts.

Maybe he'll use another weapon, like a sword?

I'd want him to fight like Ganondorf. I.E. He can back off and blow you away with dark magic, or he can get up in your face and rip you to shreds.
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Post by: crisis on April 18, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
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Arikado Alucard expands on the Creature of Chaos castle thing, calling Castlevania a spiritual entity made from Dracula's magic. Which furthers the idea that Soma did in fact destroy Castlevania upon killing the Chaos spirit flowing through it, which with Dracula gone, was probably the only thing keeping Castlevania alive.

Castlevania was never destroyed by Soma defeating Chaos. To quote from DoS' library:

Dracula's Castle
The symbol of Dracula's dark power, its appearance coincides with Dracula's resurrection. The priest of the Hakuba Shrine had sealed it in a solar eclipse in 1999. Then, during the solar eclipse of 2035, it sought a new master, but failed. Now, its dark power awaits the rise of a new dark lord...


Thus, the castle still exists, albeit inside the solar eclipse. People may not like DoS for their own reasons, but it's still "canon."


About the "Death God"/Shinigami stuff:
CoD never hinted anything about it, just Zead saying "No one escapes from me." I suppose it's similar to Thanatos being the God of Death in Greek Mythology (and in God of War); they are both beings that are the representatives of death, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by: Flame on April 18, 2012, 05:32:45 PM
God damnit DoS screwed shit up so bad. I mean maybe the castle being destroyed was never the intent, but thats how it came off in AoS, and AoS was the perfect ending for the series. Castlevania has finally been completely destroyed, and Soma rejected his destiny, finally actually ending his perpetual cycle of rebirth as Dracula, Mathias finally getting redemption and a second chance at life.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 18, 2012, 07:12:53 PM
God damnit DoS screwed shit up so bad. I mean maybe the castle being destroyed was never the intent, but thats how it came off in AoS, and AoS was the perfect ending for the series. Castlevania has finally been completely destroyed, and Soma rejected his destiny, finally actually ending his perpetual cycle of rebirth as Dracula, Mathias finally getting redemption and a second chance at life.
I strongly agree. AoS was THE ending for the old series.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 18, 2012, 07:37:04 PM
I'd want him to fight like Ganondorf. I.E. He can back off and blow you away with dark magic, or he can get up in your face and rip you to shreds.

You know how The Forgotton One would summon weapons and projectiles out of darkness?

I think Gabriel would have the same power, not only weapons like a sword or a whip but spells like fireballs, meteor plus the lightning attacks from Laura.
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Post by: Archangel on April 19, 2012, 03:41:53 AM
God damnit DoS screwed shit up so bad. I mean maybe the castle being destroyed was never the intent, but thats how it came off in AoS, and AoS was the perfect ending for the series. Castlevania has finally been completely destroyed, and Soma rejected his destiny, finally actually ending his perpetual cycle of rebirth as Dracula, Mathias finally getting redemption and a second chance at life.

Agreed. While I came to like DoS (especially Julius-Mode), it still feels more like a side-story that makes everything more complicated. AoS is a  good closure to the old saga.
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Post by: uzo on April 19, 2012, 06:25:51 AM
Even though AoS implied the destruction of the castle, and chaos, and all of that, it wasn't explicitly said. I believe DoS was tacked on, retconning these events in a way, but not a true rewrite as it was never explicitly stated. A very bad continuation, just leaving the door open again.

I think AoS was a true and proper ending under the implied destruction of the castle, chaos, and all of that.
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Post by: A-Yty on April 19, 2012, 06:38:09 AM
Or, if you stretch it, the Castle and Dracula's connection with chaos and/or the castle were sealed away, but Soma's powers still remained (and therefore the potential to lure him back to the dark side).

The way I see it, the Castle can never be truly destroyed because it is a manifestation of chaos, which will always exist. At best, it can be kept away from this plane of existence. I don't remember DoS ruining this idea, because the cult's castle was just a replica and both Dracula/Dark Lord and the Castle have been shown to be able to exist with out each other, if necessary. Either way, I agree that DoS was unncesessary when placed to the overall timeline. I didn't really have a problem with continuing Soma's story.
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Post by: Sumac on April 19, 2012, 08:08:35 AM
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I rewatched some AoS stuff, and the way that AoS described it was more along the lines of all the negativity and such, has created a chaotic spirit within the castle, which Dracula seems to draw power from and be influenced by
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Alucard expands on the Creature of Chaos castle thing, calling Castlevania a spiritual entity made from Dracula's magic.
So, in a way it means that Dracula have created Chaos which power him up later. Hence Chaotic spirit of the Castle is evil.

DOS always gave me impression of badly thought out sequel, especially given how AOS nicely wrapped up the storyline (well, as nicely as you can have with IGA). One thing I always was interested in: how Soma saved his Dark Lord powers? I mean in AOS he was powered up by Chaos, sort of, but when he destroyed it he should have been completely cleansed from its inflention?
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Post by: Dremn on April 19, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
Yep, that announcement will come any day now.

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Aaaaany day now.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 19, 2012, 11:10:58 PM
Patience young grasshopper, we'll be getting something soon. They will most likey start the hype train around May with a teaser site leading up to E3 and then Someone will leak info about it a few days before the official announcement of LOS2 or whatever it's gonna be subtitled.

Something will leak out eventually, nothing is leak proof in this day and age (see God of War Ascension) and since some people have reportedly seen the game in action but are not allowed hard details about it, someone will have to spill the beans sooner or later.
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Post by: Dremn on April 19, 2012, 11:16:51 PM
They're dropping info on that rerererevengence of vengeance MGS game thing in a few days, maybe we'll hear something then.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 19, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
Whatever it is, LoS2  must get released BEFORE God of War: Milking the Cash Cow-6, ehm IV, ehm, Ascension.
It would be terrible to have the comparisons yet again. And there was me thinking GOW would wait for next gen...
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Post by: Dremn on April 19, 2012, 11:43:20 PM
I'm expecting very little if anything to change in the sequel. Maybe at the most the protag will be called Simon Belmont, and Dracula will be the antagonist and a major threat.
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Post by: Flame on April 20, 2012, 05:15:29 AM
So, in a way it means that Dracula have created Chaos which power him up later. Hence Chaotic spirit of the Castle is evil.
well yeah, that much was never debated, the Chaotic spirit of the Castle IS Evil.

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DOS always gave me impression of badly thought out sequel, especially given how AOS nicely wrapped up the storyline (well, as nicely as you can have with IGA). One thing I always was interested in: how Soma saved his Dark Lord powers? I mean in AOS he was powered up by Chaos, sort of, but when he destroyed it he should have been completely cleansed from its inflention?
DoS IS a poorly thought out cash cow sequel.

on his powers, his Power of Dominance isnt something he can just lose. he even mentions it in DoS. How does he have his powers after the last game? he pretty much asks, to which Arikado answers what you'd expect- It's a part of him. It is literally a part of Dracula's soul. it's intrinsic to him. And Soma, being Dracula, therefore has that power. He always had that power. Only it was awakened by his going to Castlevania and fighting the monsters in there.

after AoS, the souls he collected gradually left him, dissipating from disuse, and his power of Dominance became dormant again until it was awakened by fighting Larry Moe and Curly.
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Post by: uzo on April 20, 2012, 06:26:13 AM
Yep, that announcement will come any day now.

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Aaaaany day now.

Might as well get comfy while we wait.

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Post by: The Silverlord on April 20, 2012, 07:34:36 AM
Haha, 8/10.  Next.

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We need a screenshot.  Something . . . !
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Post by: uzo on April 20, 2012, 08:00:19 AM
You know what that reminds me of...

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg21.elex-tech.org%2F10000%2F2011%2F1206%2F35%2Ff%2F71213%2F185x154x75x0.jpg&hash=97519f76623ef11072e993b046368382)
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Post by: VladCT on April 20, 2012, 08:21:51 AM
GAH IT'S THAT PEDO KILL IT D:
No seriously, why the hell did he hit on (Loli) Maria in PoR? I can understand him only being coded to respond based on gender and not character ID, but come on. I'm surprised that he didn't become a memetic molester because of that.
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Post by: Sumac on April 20, 2012, 08:22:28 AM
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on his powers, his Power of Dominance isnt something he can just lose. he even mentions it in DoS. How does he have his powers after the last game? he pretty much asks, to which Arikado answers what you'd expect- It's a part of him. It is literally a part of Dracula's soul. it's intrinsic to him. And Soma, being Dracula, therefore has that power. He always had that power. Only it was awakened by his going to Castlevania and fighting the monsters in there.
Thank you for explanations.
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Post by: uzo on April 20, 2012, 08:26:02 AM
GAH IT'S THAT PEDO KILL IT D:
No seriously, why the hell did he hit on (Loli) Maria in PoR? I can understand him only being coded to respond based on gender and not character ID, but come on. I'm surprised that he didn't become a memetic molester because of that.

Hack it to sprites of pedobear?
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Post by: thernz on April 20, 2012, 11:22:20 AM
Charlotte is underage too. :)
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Post by: DraculaCronqvist on April 20, 2012, 04:21:40 PM
As someone already said so fittingly, do not want. LoS was horrible enough as it is, that abomination does not need a sequel. Please let it die. Please?
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Post by: Flame on April 20, 2012, 08:07:30 PM
As someone already said so fittingly, do not want. LoS was horrible enough as it is, that abomination does not need a sequel. Please let it die. Please?

Could tell us WHY you thought it was horrible, other than just saying it is.

Many of us, (a few of us?) liked it for what it was, and saw plenty of Castlevania, especially oldschool vania, within it at it's core.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 20, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
As someone already said so fittingly, do not want. LoS was horrible enough as it is, that abomination does not need a sequel. Please let it die. Please?

Since Konami see's LOS1 as a sucess in their eye's and poeple are interested in where the story arc can go, it would be stupid not to do a sequel.

I want Castlevania to go back to the way it was like everyone else but let's be honest, there's nothing left to do in the old timeline. Everything came to a conclusion in Aria of Sorrow (Dos was filler storywise and was an excuse to expand on the soul system), Castlevania's power source Chaos was destroyed and the vampire Killer's power faded away finally ending the Belmont's 900 years long mission.

Lords of Shadow's story arc has just begun and unlike the previous timeline, it has no ending yet and people are interested in how Gabriel/Dracul's story arc folds out and do not wanna be left out hanging, a feeling Castlevania fan's no all too well.
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Post by: Dremn on April 20, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
I want a new Simon Belmont/Castlevania 1 remake for the 3DS for the now recently past anniversary.

Taking ideas from I, IV, and X68000, with a ton of levels and new ideas tossed in as well and

oh god dammit I hate Konami so much. :(
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Post by: crisis on April 20, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
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there's nothing left to do in the old timeline.

dat's not true man. what about the 300+ years of Gaiden stories they can make. or 1897. or Belmont's Revenge ReBirth. or Demon Castle War 99. or LoI sequel.


those ideas alone are 10 years worth of Akumajo Dracula
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Post by: Kingshango on April 20, 2012, 11:08:17 PM
dat's not true man. what about the 300+ years of Gaiden stories they can make. or 1897. or Belmont's Revenge ReBirth. or Demon Castle War 99. or LoI sequel.


those ideas alone are 10 years worth of Akumajo Dracula

It's over man, as much as we would love to see the original timeline get streched out like Mr. Fantastic, the overall mission of the Belmont's war against the night came to a end in Aria of Sorrow. You wanna know how the battle of 1999 ended.

[notaspoiler] Dracula dies. [/notaspoiler]

Point is, we know how it all began, we know how it all ends, we know what happens in the middle. No matter how many times they can go back, no matter how many filler stories they make in the year 18whateversomething with some brand new character unrelated to the Belmonts, the story's ultimate end will always be the same.

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Post by: Ahasverus on April 20, 2012, 11:57:33 PM
 Perhaps when the new storyline has ended (In 20 years or something) we could get a reimagined old storyline. I'd love that.

It would be nice if MercurySteam adapt some tough, here's my ideas for making the new series similar to the old one without making 25 remakes.

- LoS2: Events pre-CVIII (Alucard Birth, Death's enslavering, first war on Wallachia). Kinda CVIII. Some insight in the epilogue.
- LosGaiden1: Portable AAA game telling Christopher's story (perhaps the prologue being the final battle of The Adventure and following a reimagined Belmont's Revenge) telling how he was rich and powerful landlord and then kicked out from Wallachia after Soleil's possesion.
- LoS3: Simon Belmont. His rise as a master hunter and recovering family's wealth. Then a reimagined SQII (It shouldn't be long). Make Dracula and SImon confrontation very personal (like Dracula wanting to reunite its bloodline again trying to seduce SImon by its side)
- LoSGaiden 2: Spinoff about Simon's father during the year 1666 and London's fire. Tie it to Bathory.
- LoS4 (next next gen): Rondo of Blood reimagined. Richter doesn't want to be a vampire hunter but he needs to do it after Dracla kindaps his wife, he wants Richter to go to the dark side, just like him. Anette is killed. Ending ambigous.
- LoS5: Symphony of the night reimagined. As the 5th game in the series mercury will be very experienced by then, it could be marvellous. Alucard is now a badasss warrior. Richter is now remorseful just like Gabriel was, Dracul is happy because witha  new dark lord he can go in peace. Alucard messes up everything. Father-son relationship is very studied. Dracul then ends his killing spree and becomes remorseful of his dark life, leading to the Emo-Dracula of the LoS1 epilogue.
- LoSGaiden 3: First modern times game. Not related to the Belmont/Dracula/Satan war, crazy idea, I know: the first Castlevania shooter. The story of a soldier fightting for his life. Dies at the end.
- LoS6: Bram Stoker's Dracula reimagined. Enough said.
- LoS7: Bloodlines reimagined. Most potential of them all.
- LoS8: At least, the final game of the series, in modern times, but now in three parts. The first one, a traiditonal CV with Julius belmont, Dracul is not yet resurrected, Zobek is the main boss here. At the end, after almost dying, Alucard comes to the rescue and both unite after Zobek fled to find Dracul at the forgotten ruins of the Bernhard castle.
- LoS9: The second part of the final game, this time in an Alucard and/or Belnades point of view along with Julius in interweined chapters. The three try to seal hat seal the castle and that stuff. They fail. Dracula is resurrected and the scene after the prologue begins. The plan is simple. If there's no world to save, or conquer, Satan won't return, Dracula solution is of course, wiping mankind. At the end, Alucard is killed by its own father, and then with Dracula's blood, Satan is resurrected BY ZOBEK (He rat). The end.
- LoSGaiden 4: My ever hoped Survival Horror featuring a hostage in Dracula's Castle. He survives!
- LoS10: The final battle from Dracula's point of view, you play as him with belmont being still against him, but now they face a common enemy. Dracul can summon armies of the dark to fight, now enemmies are Demons from hell and the souls of the dead are brought back by Zobek, all the past belmonts and even his Marie, whom he must kill. After killing Zobek in the gruelsomest way possible, Satan comes to the fight, in the end, Julius is killed, and Dracul and Satan fight once and for all.
At the end, Dracul gets the power of hell and to be the ruler of the underworld (in a way reminiscent of the Forgotten one scene) but this time, he rejects it, he doesn't want it. After that, God sees this as his ultimate redemption, and finally frees Grabriel soul from his corpse. Marie comes down again, and says He is forgiven, but he must still purify himself before entering heaven. She says he'll be with him this time. Dracul's soul is embodied with light and then goes to the womb of a pregnant woman.

Epilogue: Fast forward 15 years, two teenagers run into each other, with him dropping her books. He aids her, apologizes and asks her name, she's called Mina, then she asks his, he's called Soma, Soma Cruz. "Cruz, like if you came from God :laughs:"

THE END

Now MS, pay me, I just saved you like 20 years of work.
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Post by: crisis on April 20, 2012, 11:57:58 PM
In Reply To #658,

you're missing the point bro. by that logic we already know how this new timeline ends and it just started, so umm..


what we want is classic Akumajo Dracula gameplay first, storyline second. the classic/metroidvania games fall into this category, with the potential storylines/timelines I mentioned. Yeah Dracula finally dies in 1999, but no matter what happens in LoS-verse, he's always gonna end up in a church in NYC, so there's not much difference. In classic/canon-verse, we know how he ends up, but there's still stories yet to be told, and the classic gameplay is still available without the GoW/SotC/LotR/whatever aesthetic.

People still want 2D Castlevania's, and if LoS-verse can't provide, then Akumajo Dracula can still provide in spades.


imo
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 21, 2012, 01:00:14 AM
I don't want LoS' storyline to retake important elements from the classic/IGA timeline. I'm happy to see how they are using little references to bring new material. I think it'd be a shame to re-do the same timeline than the previous one but with new elements. Let LoS put its own story and its own elements.

Also, new gameplay is cool for the series. Since DoS until OoE and HD, we got the very same gameplay. DXC got the same gameplay than Classicvanias, but as a remake, it is normal.

What I'd want, and I'm sure some of you guys will agree with me, is for LoS to stop copying other games (GoW, SotC, etc. - though it was interesting) and to set up its own thing. I'm sure LoS2 will do it right.
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Post by: Nagumo on April 21, 2012, 01:07:55 AM
If they would "reimagine" the old timeline it would probably feel like terrible fanfiction. It was already awful enough that they decided to do this with the characters.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 21, 2012, 01:22:37 AM
To Crisis

Maybe I misread what you were saying and for that I apologise if I came off as an ass.

What im trying to say is that, I do want more out of the original timeline and the gameplay of the classics as much as you and everyone else in this forum do. It's just that the reality is that as far as Castlevania/Akumajo Dracula is concered, the well has been tapped. Now im not saying that Lords of Shadow was the way to go by any means but if Castlevania/Akumajo Dracula wants to be relevant, it must find a middle ground. A solution that will satisfy both the new fans and older fans can be cool with without saying "This sucks, we want the old stuff back" or "This sucks, we want more of Gabriel's story." What im suggesting is not easy and you may disagree but there is a gray area in all of this, it just weather Konami is willing to listen.

Once again, Im not against bringing back Akumajo Dracula gameplay nor am I defending Lords of Shadow gameplay and aesthetic decisions. I just don't think picking one side over the other is gonna help Castlevania in the long run and fanbase is damaged enough as is.
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Post by: Sumac on April 21, 2012, 08:28:40 AM
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I want Castlevania to go back to the way it was like everyone else
Back to what exactly? It's not 1997 - things changed.
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Post by: crisis on April 21, 2012, 08:55:16 AM
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Maybe I misread what you were saying and for that I apologise if I came off as an ass.
Iway ouldshay say, Yuo didn't come off like a butt friend. In fact with my hand accidénted on the piano, and lied you.. feel myself guilty. I must confess  :(

by the way, do you listen Belmont's Theme

Castlevania Lords of Shadow Music - Belmont's Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Uqy9L_xtk#)
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 21, 2012, 08:55:54 AM
What's the difference between Castlevania and Akumajo Dracula, except the different language? I don't get it.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 21, 2012, 09:19:38 AM
Iway ouldshay say, Yuo didn't come off like a butt friend. In fact with my hand accidénted on the piano, and lied you.. feel myself guilty. I must confess  :(

Not exactly sure what's being said here but from my understanding it means we're cool right?


And yeah I listen to Belmonts theme, to me it's the best track in the game.
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 21, 2012, 10:40:42 AM
What's the difference between Castlevania and Akumajo Dracula, except the different language? I don't get it.
Akumajou Dracula doesn't mean Castlevania. It means Demon Castle Dracula, perhaps the new Castlevania moniker is used the way IGA did, to include many different locations and not making the castle the center of the world.

Also, they are different interpretations of th source material, Think what "Millenium" is to "The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo"
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Post by: DingusBelmondo on April 21, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Am I the only one who was drawn to castlevania for it being the only great video game existing in a B-Movie tongue in cheek horrorverse? Every attempt the series has had at a "dramatic storyline" has either been weak or stupid. Playing Castlevania + Castlevania III is like playing an interactive horror themed 80's cartoon and I freakin love it. I couldn't care less about the new or old timeline, they are both devoid of any cohesive, thoughtful writing.

Give me the ghoulishly silly/radical original soundtrack, it pumps me up every time I play. Give me a real classic "haunted castle" to explore, complete with neon color palette, ripe with killer booby traps and hidden upgrades. Make it balls to the walls difficult, but give me a maniac nomadic vampire hunter to control, and I will be good to go.  Embrace that Dracula wasn't chosen for the series because he is a character who's back story would intertwine with the games gracefully, but that he is the freaking baddest of the classic horror movie icons, and he makes for the perfect final boss to motivate you to keep on trudging.

Make it a 3D platformer to appeal to the modern age. Make it dark souls with a retro animated aesthetic and and the ability to jump and climb. Make it a black comedy, and include all the classic enemies and a nice physics engine. I want to play as an enraged muscleman on a stomp fest through a black-light haunted house. The series had it's chance to go in a serious direction and hasn't been too impressive. It's time for it to go back to its true roots. I can't be the only one who would like to see this happen, can I?
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Post by: Flame on April 21, 2012, 12:01:32 PM
But Akumajo Dracula and Castlevania is the same damn thing. Just a different title. Akumajo Dracula is the original title, Castlevania is the alternate Localized one. And IGA decided to use the "Castlevania" title in some of his game as well. which apparently confused the Japanese because they didnt understand what that name was supposed to mean. (since yknow, it's an English play on words)

I dont take any real stock in Cox's rambling about how LoS isnt Akumajo Dracula but Castlevania or whatever he said. that was just... well, Castlevania is just a broader name, since it doesnt have to encompass Dracula's Castle, but any demon castle. Since LoS like LoI, doesnt actually revolve around Dracula as the main villain, in fact he doesnt exist in those games yet, you cant call it "Demon Castle Dracula". So you call it Castlevania, since that is the blanket term for the series which refers to a castlevania game but doesnt necessarily need to have Dracula in it. (at least it works that way in japan, since they are all Akumajo otherwise)

Perhaps when the new storyline has ended (In 20 years or something) we could get a reimagined old storyline. I'd love that.

It would be nice if MercurySteam adapt some tough, here's my ideas for making the new series similar to the old one without making 25 remakes.

Cox has stated that he doesnt want to be Mr. Castlevania. Im going to grant MS maybe like 5 games MAXIMUM, probably less.
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Post by: DraculaCronqvist on April 21, 2012, 12:15:10 PM
As to why I don't like it - because it's not Castlevania, to me that is. It disregards the old canon and that's what ultimately destroys it for me. I hate reboots of series.
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Post by: Dremn on April 21, 2012, 12:22:03 PM
I was attracted to Akumajou Dracula for the game genre it was in; a platformer, but it wasn't like any ol' platformer. It managed to have great design in it that required you to plan out your movements from time to time, and once you got the rhythm of the game, it became an absolute joy to play. It always had it's bullshit moments, but that's just another thing I find so adoring about the games. I love to feel challenged, and when you overcome the obstacles the game designers throw at you, you really feel like you accomplished something. I always had a love for the supernatural before I ever got into Castlevania, and the artistic directions the series has taken only further excelled that passion I had for it. Being able to transcend a character's movie counterpart into a video game and make him as iconic as Bowser or Dr. Wily is no small feat, in fact it's something to be celebrated for the original team. The quirky/Konami things I loved about old school Konami games were present as well, you don't find food hidden in the walls in other games, nor do you use hearts for ammunition for secondary weapons.

I'm still holding out hope for another ReBirth game in the future on the 3DS's eshop, or even a way to bring Sonia Belmont back. That 1999 game is never happening, and I would love for it to one day, but IGA is gone. That's the reality, he's never making anything Castlevania ever again besides the pachinkoslots. It can be argued, but something I agree with, that the overall quality of the Metroidvanias diminished over time, especially in the DS games, but they were still very solid games on their own. However, for people who fell in love and still celebrate SotN's design, we all know Castlevania can do so much better.


....that aside, did David Cox ever say he received a WiiU dev kit from Nintendo? What are the chances of LoS2 being on the WiiU at launch?
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Post by: DingusBelmondo on April 21, 2012, 12:30:44 PM
However, for people who fell in love and still celebrate SotN's design, we all know Castlevania can do so much better.

I agree, SotN is one of my favorite games, but is a very different beast than the original. Maybe that is why castlevania fans are so hard to please. At our core, we either yearn for quirky horror adventure, or a romantic gothic epic. The two are actually pretty polarized, and when I think about it, a sloppy attempt to meet both styles would explain a lot of the questionable decisions in castlevanias of recent years.
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Post by: Flame on April 21, 2012, 01:37:43 PM
As to why I don't like it - because it's not Castlevania, to me that is. It disregards the old canon and that's what ultimately destroys it for me. I hate reboots of series.
So you dislike it SOLELY for being a reboot.

That doesnt make it "Not Castlevania".

Lame reason IMO, since it has many good qualities, like it's been said many times, LoS is basically a Classicvania in HD3D clothing,

but, to each their own i guess.
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Post by: A-Yty on April 21, 2012, 01:39:12 PM
What's the difference between Castlevania and Akumajo Dracula, except the different language? I don't get it.

There used to be no difference other than localization. Nowadays it's treated like a separate series; when marketing it to a broader audience, its "originality" (like taking stuff from younger series like GoW) is emphasized. When trying to sell the thing to the people who liked the ClassicUniverseVania, it's nods to the past games are emphasized (this and the need to like LoS often leads to people over-analyzing LoS quirks as references to those games).

In short: it's a bit of flustercuck  :(
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Post by: A-Yty on April 21, 2012, 01:42:27 PM
Lame reason IMO, since it has many good qualities, like it's been said many times, LoS is basically a Classicvania in HD3D clothing,

..by the most rabid LoS enthusiasts, that is. It's an ok game, but it's far from being Classicvania in HD3D.

IMO.
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 21, 2012, 01:49:54 PM
Cox has stated that he doesnt want to be Mr. Castlevania. Im going to grant MS maybe like 5 games MAXIMUM, probably less.
I bet on a trilogy.
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Post by: Sumac on April 21, 2012, 03:01:04 PM
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It's time for it to go back to its true roots. I can't be the only one who would like to see this happen, can I?
I think it even less likely than return of Kojima style. CV stopped being horror movies parody after SCV4 and later never returned to that particular style. Well, maybe CV64 was close to it, but its still was a far cry from just "movie parody style".
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Post by: Ahasverus on April 21, 2012, 09:46:25 PM
Cox has stated that he doesnt want to be Mr. Castlevania. Im going to grant MS maybe like 5 games MAXIMUM, probably less.
It doesn't have to be Mercury...
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I think about it, a sloppy attempt to meet both styles would explain a lot of the questionable decisions in castlevanias of recent years.
THIS x 10000000. Fanbase is so divided, (threevided?) that it's impossible to please all fans, all desires and all interpretations that they have for what is CV and what's not.
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Post by: Munchy on April 22, 2012, 04:33:30 AM
I bet on a trilogy.

Makes sense. The games tend to come in threes. Maybe two, if the second one bombs hard for some completely random reason (like Konami's nonexistent marketing department), as was the case for the PS1 and PS2 games.

Don't see why LoS2 would bomb, as the first game seemed to get a decent following.
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Post by: Dremn on April 26, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
What the dick Konami, where is this update already? This is just terrible.
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Post by: Kingshango on April 26, 2012, 11:18:30 PM
Might as well wait till E3, it's right around the corner anyway and it's clear that want to keep it a secret until then. (Even though it's not a secret anymore)

The only thing we can hope for is a small leak of info (an official name even) a week prior to the reveal at the press conference.
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Post by: Nagumo on April 27, 2012, 03:22:38 AM
Yeah, we won't hear anything until shortly before or during E3. Might as well be occupied with other things for a while.
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Post by: Chernabogue on April 27, 2012, 08:10:05 AM
After all, this isn't too bad. It'll be better to have some work done on the game than an announcement with almost nothing done.

But yeah, it's long to wait.
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Post by: Neobelmont on May 02, 2012, 01:31:10 AM
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/Enric_Alvarez/status/196195867366133761/photo/1

new music huh? dang just copy past whole url thingy.
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Post by: Koutei on May 02, 2012, 01:38:50 AM
It may be the Star Wars game.

http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/Enric_Alvarez/status/196228264983928832/photo/1
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 02, 2012, 03:06:32 AM
Is that Tommy Tallarico on the second pic??
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Post by: Kingshango on May 02, 2012, 06:18:54 PM
It may be the Star Wars game.

http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/Enric_Alvarez/status/196228264983928832/photo/1

Lords of Shadow 2 was a red herring, Mercurysteam have been really working on a Jedi Knight reboot all along!  :o
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Post by: Munchy on May 03, 2012, 12:53:35 AM
Is that Tommy Tallarico on the second pic??

I would be weirdly curious to hear Tommy Tallarico compose for a Castlevania game. Loved his EWJ soundtracks but have no clue whether he'd match styles.
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Post by: shelverton. on May 03, 2012, 11:46:32 AM
I played a bit of LoS last night and then I thought long and hard about what made it not click with me. And it's this: Enemies have too much health. Plain and simple.

I understand you can't have a combo fighting system if enemies die after 2-3 hits, but the strong enemies completely kills the pace for me. It makes fighting a chore and it has absolutely nothing to do with classic Castlevania. So, for a LoS sequel I would like to see this go away. I want a clearer distinction between normal enemies and minibosses. Which won't happen. But one can dream, can't they?

There are 3D action games where enemies die after only a hit or two, but they're still challenging and have EXCELLENT pace. Shinobi for PS2 comes to mind. For obvious reasons, Castlevania shouldn't play like Shinobi, but there are things to be learnt from it.

On the other hand we have Demon's Souls/Dark Souls. These games have enemies that can take a while to kill, but it never seems as drawn out as in LoS. And even when it is, it totally works for these games. Why? The Souls series doesn't pretend to be fast, combo-style action game. They're methodical and slow by nature but you're always pushing forward in a suitable pace. LoS aspires to be a much faster and more flexible game and would as such benefit from a faster pace, which can't happen as long as you're stuck in room after room hacking away at enemies that NEVER effin dies.

I dunno what my point was with all this. I guess I'm just not happy with modern 3D combat, unless it's the Shinobi or Demon's Souls. Two complete opposites, but both works for me. And 3D Castlevania should study them both and decide what it wants to be. Devil May Cry and God of War should not be the only two sources of inspiration.

IMHO.
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Post by: Dominus Agony on May 03, 2012, 12:00:06 PM
What comes to mind are the skeletons; they have way too much health, and they're skeletons.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: RichterB on May 03, 2012, 12:43:32 PM
Shelverton and Dominus Agony have both hit big nails on the head here. I've had the same thoughts.

Shelverton noted Shinobi, and while he even mentioned that's not quite right, it's more in the right direction in terms of blending action AND platforming (plus it had a true 3D camera to emphasize and utilize the fact that its levels are 3D). The same could be said for another game around the time of Shinobi, that being Capcom's Maximo, which was a 3D reimagining of one of Castlevania's own action-platforming/horror contemporaries, Ghosts N Ghouls. The heart of Castlevania is "Action-Platforming." It can have whistles and bells, but the player has to be able to multitask on the fly. You need to be able to jump over a death pit and hit that skeleton on the platform across from you throwing bones at you. There is a certain rhythm to level design and a certain amount of precision physics through player control that is necessary.

In that light, while not 100%, we are definitely talking about taking Castlevania back more in the direction of Castlevania 64/Legacy of Darkness in terms of core gameplay. (Given the fan splits, and these games' infamous/misunderstood reputation, though, it's highly unlikely).

The following are excerpts of a similar conversation I had with Neobelmont and others, which is quite relevant to the direction this thread has taken:

10/11/10
...I won't deny that LoS' combat system can be fun and very cool-looking, but I also found a surprising amount of variety in CV64's simplicity. To illustrate, I'll use two examples. Gabriel vs. Lycans and Reinhardt vs. Skeletons.

*With Gabriel, with the right timing, you can spam a Lycan by knocking it into the air and coming around with a spinning whip slam that eliminates the foe. (Or you can throw a knife and watch it explode). Later on, magic comes into play.
*With Reinhardt, you whip a skeleton, go into a slide tackle, and come up with a short-ranged blade swipe. (Or, jump in, whip, and then hit with the holy water or sub-weapon of choice). In LoD, you can upgrade sub-weapons to do more damage.

Now, it seems to me that the pre-programmed button-press combos of LoS make the game more about robotic calculation, and less about player ingenuity. Also, the amount of combos, and the power within them, lessen (almost negate) the importance of sub-weapons. More importantly, the simple combat of CV64 means most enemies take less hits, which in turn makes for scenarios like Level 2 of CV64 where you have to platform-jump while dealing with medusa heads, bats, bone pillars (and their projectiles), as well as crumbling/flipping platforms and falling guillotines.

Meanwhile, heavy combo-centric combat doesn't naturally engender the gameplay rhythm necessary to dodge structural obstacles AND fight the enemies. In fact, it emphasizes the "fight action," resulting in more arena-type scenarios, and less strategic enemy placement (bone-throwers on broken bridges) and free-form pursuing enemies (like the Forest of Silence's running skeletons). The former scenario is also where sub-weapons come most in handy, yet if the scenario is lacking, the sub-weapons again dip in their importance. As a result, the sections of action and platforming seem to become stratified and separated in LoS, which isn't the Castlevania norm...

9/9/11

...by the sound of it seems like something along the lines of...[M]aximo, where, yeah the attacks are not as combo crazy, but you will be able to multitask which makes sense see[ing] as how Castlevania had you doing both.

Yes, LoS combo system is great but, yes, in the sense of action-platforming that you were explaining it gets a C+ it is not that it is bad but more of not being fluid it just seems to me that Maximo would be like what your describing.

Kind of like this right?

Let's Play Maximo: Ghosts To Glory Part 13-Platforming Extravaganza! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN-geRT-4Fw#ws)

Bingo! The video, with Maximo, is definitely what I'm getting at: 3D camera, dynamic level design that utilizes said camera, and multitasking of combat and platforming without excessive, pre-programmed showboating and juggling.  (I don't know if LoS, as is with its controls and camera, can duplicate the sort of experience Maximo had there in that vid--especially as seamlessly/smoothly.

While we're on the same page for a moment, let me suggest something else I'd like to see improved from LoS. The swing-platforming. It needs to be freed up and more about timing and physics than just on-rails events. This may be taking it a bit far, but check out this Bionic Commando video, which frees up the controls and the camera for some fun and amazing gameplay: Bionic Commando - Swinging Gameplay (HQ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmoQzwnDoOo#ws) (Even SCV-IV on the SNES had more physics and tension to its whip/swing-platforming than LoS--though LoS' "repelling" aspect was a cool addition).

Also, with both of these, and Maximo in particular, that's why I said CV64 had the right building blocks in its combat/platforming system and level design. Check out the video of CV64 I will link here in a moment, and pay special attention to 0:17-2:10 for cleverly-crafted, tense action-platforming that is as "Castlevania" as Dracula's fangs (and missing from LoS). And then, check out 3:56-5:15 to see what I meant about not needing intense combos or closed-off, flat arenas to engender combat, as this allows the level to develop naturally and for the player to tackle the situation how they see fit, moving where they want to naturally as a part of the level design itself, as opposed to being stuck in a set piece with forced invisible walls where you need to clear enemies or wait for a certain amount of enemy animations to happen (like the giant Ogre section in LoS' fortress). Castlevania 64 Reinhardt Walkthrough Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPxpccNQco#ws) (There is a flow and calculation to the gameplay that goes back to that Level 2 section everyone points out in CV1 NES as iconic, where you had the medusa heads AND the axe knight, and had to plot out how to overcome multiple obstacles at once while fighting. The answer isn't as simple as use X-combo x-amount of times and overpower my enemies; it's more about surviving).
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Dremn on May 03, 2012, 12:43:58 PM
If they toned the enemy health down it would make the game far more enjoyable, I don't like spending long amounts of time hacking away at the same baddie while worrying about another equally as strong baddie in the same fight unless it's a boss battle. Not to mention the enemies already do a lot of damage to you when you're hit, so it would even things out.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Kingshango on May 03, 2012, 01:54:20 PM
Im with the above posters on this, some enemies had too much health and made battles tedious, not to mention that later enemies like the skeletons and creeping coffen's take a significant amount of health from you.

I believe the reason for this is that Gabriel's attacks doesn't seem to get stronger, even if he get's a bunch of combo's, he's still doing the same amount of damage every time(turn on the enemy life bar and damage counter to see what I mean). If they had say.....added RPG elements and have Gabriel become progressivly stronger as the game went on and enemies would get curb stomped easily, minus the bosses. The only time Gabriel got stronger visibly was at the end of Resurrection when he took The Forgotton One's power and that didn't even get a proper cutscene.

If Lords of Shadow 2 has to have one this it's RPG elements like the Metroidvania's did. The way I see it Lords of Shadow was a homage to the Classicvania's like Castlevania's 1 through X and I think it's fair that Lords of Shadow 2 pay homage to the Metroidvania's like SOTN through OoE. The question is will Konami/Mercurysteam listen or will they turn a blind eye and put their fingers in their ears and scream "LALALALALALALALALALA"?

Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Flame on May 03, 2012, 02:19:56 PM
Hoooooly shit those skeletons were fucking ridiculous. I loved LoS, but there was no excuse for that shit.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: Neobelmont on May 03, 2012, 02:32:23 PM
Now I have to play it again to see what every one is talking about. With the health thing.
Title: Re: Lords of Shadow sequel is coming out this year, hinted by David Cox over twitter
Post by: BingleGod on May 03, 2012, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: shelverton
On the other hand we have Demon's Souls/Dark Souls. These games have enemies that can take a while to kill, but it never seems as drawn out as in LoS. And even when it is, it totally works for these games. Why? The Souls series doesn't pretend to be fast, combo-style action game. They're methodical and slow by nature but you're always pushing forward in a suitable pace.

Demon's/Dark Souls also give physical visual feedback on attacked opponents, i.e. hitting something produces an effect outside of spectacular light shows. LoS follows the terrible God of War model where you slap unflinching enemies to death, so the protracted fights feel even longer and more tedious.