Topic: Konami: "Taking risks with CV prevented it from becoming another Megaman"

[Rugal]

Hey guys.

Welp! See you later!

[beingthehero]

I honestly thought adding epic raw blood BRUTAL KILLS BRO titty dongs made the game more childish instead of mature or whatever.

In Mega Man Zero, I mean.

It was also pretty stupid in Lords, though, like the game expected me to high five the screen and say 'whoa dawg this is brutal shit, Mom and Dad don't want me to play this game but I'm gonna!" Blood and gore is, like A-yty-sama said, a gimmick. It was shocking and adult and mature and bullshit in '93 with DOOM and Mortal Kombat. Seeing it applied so hamfistedly just came off as unintentionally comical, much like the dumb attempt at internet humor with the cake note.

But anyways, the series was never mature or even bothered to strive to be "raw". All the way through Chronicles, the series just strove to be a homage to the cheesy 30's and 40's Hammer Horror flicks. CV1 was definitely humorous, what with the film reels flanking the title screen, the corny enemies and music, and the pun names for the credits. And that's a huge factor in the enjoyment of that game.

Even Chronicles' Arranged CGI opening flickers and has fake dust and dirt effects to make it look like it was shot in the 30's.

Anyways, a series resorting to bland 'shocking' things like nipples and blood doesn't signify maturity. Instead it signals zero creativity. It's just telling pre-teen kids that if you own RAW EPIC ACTION TIT BLOOD GAME LORDS then you're a cool edgy badass! All your base are belong to us! Cox wears baggy pants exposing his boxers, too! Adult!

[crisis]

I honestly thought adding epic raw blood BRUTAL KILLS BRO titty dongs made the game more childish instead of mature or whatever.

In Mega Man Zero, I mean.

Can't tell if you're just being sarcastic, beingthehero-sama, which you prolly are, but directing this to the less-informed, it's more than just blood (which they removed in the American releases) & brutal deathblows (although cutting the bosses in half and seeing their unique cybernetic-organic innards was intruiging, for me at least. Not to mention very graphic & visceral for the standard MM game). As Flame-sama stated, it's themes of mass-genocide, racism, bi-racial relationships (reploid x human), economic issues, etc. that are present in the series is what makes it a lot more mature than the kid-friendly themes of most other MM games. Hell, Zero even *spoiler* SACRIFICES himself at the series' climax, as opposed to the typical "hero wins & returns home safely" endings in most other MM games. The X series was like this too, but Zero series certainly took it up a notch or 2. Just some examples on why MMZ can be seen as the most "mature" version of MM. Sans titty dongs.

But back on topic~

[Flame]

Zero even *spoiler* SACRIFICES himself at the series' climax, as opposed to the typical "hero wins & returns home safely" endings in most other MM games.

He's done that before in X1. He's also gotten killed by the final boss in X5. (through contrived means, but whatever) Though his Z4 death was definitely the greatest. Probably because he STAYED dead. For a good 200 years or so before he reared his head in ZX as a floating plot device. (how appropriate)

Anyways, a series resorting to bland 'shocking' things like nipples and blood doesn't signify maturity. Instead it signals zero creativity. It's just telling pre-teen kids that if you own RAW EPIC ACTION TIT BLOOD GAME LORDS then you're a cool edgy badass! All your base are belong to us! Cox wears baggy pants exposing his boxers, too! Adult!

I think it was Bloodlines (appropriately enough) that introduced blood. It's been there. And then there are the sexualized enemies introduced in Rondo and Symphony, stuff like the Alure une (I probably spelled that wrong) or the TOPLESS SUCCUBUS BOSS. PoR was the worst in this aspect...

And let's not forget Beezlebub in Symphony, or The Forgotten One in Lament, both bosses who were meant to be grotesque. Forgotten one singlehandedly gave LoI a T rating. Castlevania is no stranger to OMG BLOOD OMG TITS

LoS was pretty tame with the sexual fanservice. it's pretty much just Carmilla's odd getup, unless you consider the Crystal item crash demon "fanservice". (Or Satan) And it was no more bloody than LoI, although  a bit more visceral in it's violence.

[Kingshango]

Umm pretty sure that LOI got a M rating. At least it says so on the box.

[Flame]

My memory isn't what it used to be. Should have looked it up.
T, M, you know what i mean.

[The Silverlord]

I don't like Hellsing. It bored me to death. They say Hellsing is "mature" and "compelling". That perfectly explain my tastes and what I like, I think.

Anyways, a series resorting to bland 'shocking' things like nipples and blood doesn't signify maturity. Instead it signals zero creativity.

See: Game of Thrones.  See even some later Hammer movies, particular Scars of Dracula which is about as "raw" as you can get.  I still think there's a lot of creativity in there.  Nipples and blood alone are going to do it (and I take the criticism with Lords that some of the violence seemed done for the sake of it) but there are many examples of nudity and violence done in a tasteful way and wrapped in great storyline.  I honestly think in lieu of:

Vampires that feel like they'd rip your own throat out.  A castle with an aura of distinct peril.  Feeling of intimidation. Reward for progression.  Realistic eerie landscapes where the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.  Really take a Belmont vs. Dracula scenario to an extreme.

That there's scope for something brilliant here in our series.

[Pfil]

And then there are the sexualized enemies introduced in Rondo and Symphony, stuff like the Alure une (I probably spelled that wrong) or the TOPLESS SUCCUBUS BOSS. PoR was the worst in this aspect...

...or the best, depending on what you like 

[Flame]

...or the best, depending on what you like 

Indeed, Indeed...

I don't like Hellsing. It bored me to death. They say Hellsing is "mature" and "compelling". That perfectly explain my tastes and what I like, I think.

Which Hellsing?

The first anime, or Hellsing Ultimate? Yes, there are differences. Mainly, the original was made before the manga ended, so like Full Metal Alchemist, made up it's own story past the Manga's current state.

[son_the_vampire]

I feel the biggest risk they could've taken would have been to make Gabriel be followed around by a wise Fleaman. After beating the game u can use this Fleaman in Fleaman mode and throw infinite knives. Boom risk taken, im paying!

[Pfil]

Indeed, Indeed...
Which Hellsing?
The first anime, or Hellsing Ultimate?

Hellsing Ultimate.

[Abnormal Freak]

Hellsing (manga, TV series, OVA series) is "mature" in the sense that it isn't really something for kiddies, but it's juvenile escapist fantasy through and through.

That's in no way a detractor, in my mind. It has a rather compelling story and great art.

[Pfil]

I understand your point, and I'm OK with the fact that everybody seems to like it.
But it just was boring for me. I'm more of the Rosario to Vampire kind of vampire anime, or Dance in the Vampire Bund, though this is very inferior to RtV in my opinion, or when it comes to something "mature", I prefer Elfen Lied for example.
It must have been that I didn't like the characters design perhaps. I don't know. Maybe I was expecting something more Castlevania. I guess it just wasn't for me.

[Flame]

Have you... Read the Rosario+Vampire mangas?

[Pfil]

Yes, but aside from some girl on girl kisses I prefer the anime.
I liked the manga, but it was more an excuse to experience something more with those characters I loved than something I really was a fan of. Usually I read some mangas from animes I really like (Mayoi Neko Overrun, Sora No Otoshimono...), just to get something more when there's no episodes left 
The Rosario to Vampire CD must be the album I heard most times in my life (not counting Castlevania).