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Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: Mooning Freddy on November 25, 2010, 05:18:48 AM
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Some of you may see it as an obvious thing, but being a citizen is not so obvious.
Where I live, you have to serve your country for 3 years in order to earn a right to be called a citizen.
Being free is obvious to most, and you cannot fully appreciate the value of being free until the moment you become the property of your state, so you are no longer completely free to make decisions and are very limited by orders and restrictions.
3 years is a long time. When you serve in the army, you sometimes feel as if you are frozen in time, stuck in the military world, and by the time you finish your service, you notice that many things have changed without you noticing it. All the people that you knew before the army have changed, matured, while you feel that you are still 18. Well, maybe 19, definitely not 21.
You enter the army as a teenager, and finish as an adult. Suddenly people's expectations from you are much higher.
Quite a shock, really.
Anyway, freedom is priceless. But sometimes you have to pay for it.
Be free, mates. Happy Holidays! ;D
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What of people incapable of joining the military?
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I see that your boner is raging madly at your newly-acquired citizenship. :o
Congrats and all that.
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I don't believe that there ever was a time in your life that you were not free or not a citizen. From the very moment you drew your first breath, you were free. That is god's decree to us all, eventhough the corrupt, egotisitcal mind-set of humanity would see otherwise. You've alway been free St- *A-hem* Citizen Freddy! Live it up to your heart's content!! ;)
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^You speak of the legend of "tabula rasa?" How prunyuu of yuu~
Congratulations Freddy, hope you enjoy your newfound citizenship :)
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Anyway, freedom is priceless. But sometimes you have to pay for it.
I hope you know that this makes absolutely no sense.
I'm guessing you are from Israel?
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The flag behind the tank is a dead giveaway.
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Thank you guys ;D
x, well, actually, when you serve in an army knowing that you are protecting civilians and your home, you do feel free;
I did feel free during my service.
But after all, from the minute you recruit in a mandatory service, you are the state's property.
That may sound funny, but it's true. While in the Israeli army soldiers and their commanders and officers are usually friends and work as a team, still, rejecting a direct order would often get you in jail.
Since you belong to the state, you are not allowed to harm yourself, or be injured as a result of a highly irresponsible action.
If you do so, you may face a trail for damaging government property. XD
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Way to ignore my question. Don't be stingy with answering questions.
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Is there away to opt out and do non-combat service like in Germany?
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Way to ignore my question. Don't be stingy with answering questions.
I didn't ignore your question. Or did I? Sorry! ;D
Anyway, your question isn't focused enough. What exactly do you mean by, incapable of joining the military? Physically? Mentally?
People with physical handicaps can join the army too. They can't be fighters; They can still serve as clerks, though, and that's usually what they are assigned for in Israel.
People with severe handicaps are usually dismissed from mandatory service, however, can still volunteer if they wish.
As for mental handicaps, I don't think that people who have been diagnosed with mental illnesses can serve as fighters.
Those who have severe cases of mental illnesses are dismissed.
Harry, so-called "civilian service" is available in Israel, but unlike Germany, it's not an alternative to military service, but rather an option for people who have been dismissed from the military and still want to give away some of their time to the community, or for people who are not recruited by Mandatory law like Orthodox Jews, religious girls, and Israeli Arabs.
I knew this guy who was dismissed from the military after successfully proving that he's a Pacifist. He decided to join a civilian service nevertheless. Now that's a man of values!
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I'm a pacifist myself. :) It is a good thing to say "No!" to Military deployment when you feel it doesn't work for you or interfears with your personal values. Muhhommad ali, the famous american boxer refused to enter military service because it was not what he wanted or believed in. They branded him a traitor to his country, but in the end, he won the court case. This, of course was during the corrupt Vietnam Bulls**t america was shoving down out throats so you can guess the rest of it.
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I'm a pacifist myself. :) It is a good thing to say "No!" to Military deployment when you feel it doesn't work for you or interfears with your personal values. Muhhommad ali, the famous american boxer refused to enter military service because it was not what he wanted or believed in. They branded him a traitor to his country, but in the end, he won the court case. This, of course was during the corrupt Vietnam Bulls**t america was shoving down out throats so you can guess the rest of it.
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As far as the draft goes, WW1 was perhaps worse than Vietnam. Speaking out against the draft was in itself illegal, let alone actually draft dodging. A lot of brave people went to jail over it.
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As far as the draft goes, WW1 was perhaps worse than Vietnam. Speaking out against the draft was in itself illegal, let alone actually draft dodging. A lot of brave people went to jail over it.
Vietan was worse. And by worse I mean by "Political lie" WW1 was nessissary because some nutty German got it into his head to expand his political power by invading other countries. So yes, drafting was appropriate back then. Vietam was nothing more then an excuse at the time for america to flex its political muscle and prove to the world what a bad@$$ it was when there was no real need for it. That's why they had such an outcry from the civilian populous. Because the war meant nothing. There was no values and no real gain from it except to 'look good' in the eyes of the world. And Muhhommad ali was one of those who knew it to be true which was why he rejected the force draft. Sorry for my political rant here Citizen Freddy ;D just a little history 101.
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I'm a pacifist myself. :) It is a good thing to say "No!" to Military deployment when you feel it doesn't work for you or interferes with your personal values.
Disagreeing with a certain war or military campaign is a one thing, and being a Pacifist is completely another.
A Pacifist is someone who is not willing to fight because he believes that all wars are evil.
I respect Pacifists, as much as I respect religious people or any other who live according to certain moral values.
Yet personally, I see the whole idea behind Pacifism as retarded. Being a Pacifist would be great, if all people in the world would be willing to lay down their arms and live in peace and harmony. Since that is not going to happen as long as our world exists, being a Pacifist is basically being a sheep. Like the Jews in the Holocaust who refused to believe Hitler is going to kill them.
Some of the values I respect most are the values which the constitution of the United States of America was based on.
"Freedom of religion, and freedom from religion" is one of the basics of Democracy- You may practice whichever religion you choose, as long as it doesn't harm the people around you, and you do not oppress it upon others. And when somebody tries to force you into living the same way he does, you should have the right to tell him "f**k you" and shoot him in the face.
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As far as the draft goes, WW1 was perhaps worse than Vietnam. Speaking out against the draft was in itself illegal, let alone actually draft dodging. A lot of brave people went to jail over it.
Vietan was worse. And by worse I mean by "Political lie" WW1 was nessissary because some nutty German got it into his head to expand his political power by invading other countries. So yes, drafting was appropriate back then. Vietam was nothing more then an excuse at the time for america to flex its political muscle and prove to the world what a bad@$$ it was when there was no real need for it. That's why they had such an outcry from the civilian populous. Because the war meant nothing. There was no values and no real gain from it except to 'look good' in the eyes of the world. And Muhhommad ali was one of those who knew it to be true which was why he rejected the force draft. Sorry for my political rant here Citizen Freddy ;D just a little history 101.
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World War 1 was not necessary at all. Do you really believe Germany was any worse than Britain or France? I would argue that the Germans were the bravest people in the war, being the only group will to take the plunge and surrender to end the fighting. Then they got hit with all of these unfair punishments for a war they didn't even start. If it wasn't for the Serbs and Austrian-Hungarians starting the war, Germany would probably never have gotten involved. The Kaiser entered a war that he was bound by military alliances to fight in. After that, the only reason the US entered the war was because the capitalists kept pushing for it, because they understood the amount of money they could make. Then 10,000s of Americans lost their lives and lot of capitalists got rich by selling to the US government.
World War 1 was the most unnecessary war in history, which is why it is probably the most tragic. If it wasn't for World War 1, WW2 probably would have been avoided as there would have been no vacuum of power. On top of that, the socialist who were pushing for reform were already a major force in Germany who probably would have made Germany a better country. Of course, it was the imperial ambitions of France, Britain, and Germany conflicting with each other as well as ethnic tensions in Eastern Europe that caused the war. But America had no relation to these countries, and it is impossible to say if any side was more morally "right" than the other.
Also Vietnam seemed necessary at them in that they were trying to prove to the world they could contain the communist movement (in fact, the majority of Americans supported the war until we started losing). Of course they couldn't stop communism, but they also had no idea that the communist block was going to collapse on its own at time, so they were determined not to give up. It seemed like a very real danger to American power and the power of the capitalists operating in Asia. Now, what the US did there was definitely evil, but if they had won they would have made some serious gains in power.
Since that is not going to happen as long as our world exists, being a Pacifist is basically being a sheep. Like the Jews in the Holocaust who refused to believe Hitler is going to kill them.
Remember though that the Nazis were promising to give the Jews Palestine (an agreement to send 60,000 of the 500,000 Jews in Germany to Palestine had already been signed), so the Nazis could non-violently purify Europe and give the Jews Israel again, which many Jews at the time agreed with. It seemed like a win-win situation. Of course, it was a lie, but its not surprising so many people fell for it. No one could have imagine that they were actually being sent to their deaths.