Its just weird that Mathias Cronqvist (who is the IGAvania canon Dracula) was off limits since now that IGA is gone you would think they would not care, after all they showed us that Leon Belmont (who was also a IGA creation) is in the anime's canon so why make Mathias off limits?
What if the Netflixvania gets a pachislot game before it gets a third season?Good point. We’re about due for a new pachislot game lol.
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I personally don't care if Mathias is off-limits as he was never the true CV Dracula to begin with.
The most interesting part is Konami actually drawing a "red line" on the use of Mathias Cronqvist which even the writers of the show thought was weird since Konami apparently has been cool with them adapting and putting their own spin on the IP.
Its just weird that Mathias Cronqvist (who is the IGAvania canon Dracula) was off limits since now that IGA is gone you would think they would not care, after all they showed us that Leon Belmont (who was also a IGA creation) is in the anime's canon so why make Mathias off limits?
As it stands now my only conclusion is that maybe they wanted the anime team to keep the "door open" for the origin of this version of Dracula and thus having the writer throw away the name to a completely different character may have not been a wise move in Konami's eyes.
I think you misunderstood ( or maybe I did...) but I think they said no to having an unrelated and new character (which was Godbrand) named Mathias Cronquivist.
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As it stands now my only conclusion is that maybe they wanted the anime team to keep the "door open" for the origin of this version of Dracula and thus having the writer throw away the name to a completely different character may have not been a wise move in Konami's eyes.
Yea you misunderstood dude, I completely understood that, hence this part of my post,
Namely the part of my post about Konami not possibly wanting them to use Mathias Cronqvist on a completely different character (aka Godbrand) and why it may have not been a seen as a wise move on their part hence them blocking it.
So in short yes no misunderstanding here my main point was speculation on WHY they would not want them to waste that name on Godbrand.
The most interesting part is Konami actually drawing a "red line" on the use of Mathias Cronqvist which even the writers of the show thought was weird since Konami apparently has been cool with them adapting and putting their own spin on the IP.
Its just weird that Mathias Cronqvist (who is the IGAvania canon Dracula) was off limits since now that IGA is gone you would think they would not care, after all they showed us that Leon Belmont (who was also a IGA creation) is in the anime's canon so why make Mathias off limits?
As it stands now my only conclusion is that maybe they wanted the anime team to keep the "door open" for the origin of this version of Dracula and thus having the writer throw away the name to a completely different character may have not been a wise move in Konami's eyes.
Is Cronqvist norse?
I'm kind of worried they're just gonna ape SoTN again, with Trevor and Sypha standing in for Richter and Maria, and Isaac for Shaft.I'm more worried if Netflix is gonna Axe/Censor it, seems to be Netflix's trademark of not knowing what's good for their own content.
I'm more worried if Netflix is gonna Axe/Censor it, seems to be Netflix's trademark of not knowing what's good for their own content.Meh... Way things are heading I'd be fine with them cutting it at 3 seasons. I don't need more of the Belmonts playing second fiddle to Alucard. Not interested.
Meh... Way things are heading I'd be fine with them cutting it at 3 seasons. I don't need more of the Belmonts playing second fiddle to Alucard. Not interested.
Meh... Way things are heading I'd be fine with them cutting it at 3 seasons. I don't need more of the Belmonts playing second fiddle to Alucard. Not interested.
You seem very impartial, Dark Prince Alucard.
I thought it was completely out of place when Alucard made that penis joke. Like come on
Shoulda been reserved for someone like Grant*, whom was completely omitted from the series altogether. And I don’t think we’ll see Death at all, at least in a speaking role.
*if they’re using the excuse of “we didn’t know what to do with him,” well then, just make him the Han Solo of the series; someone that may not have no personal vendetta against Dracula but make him involved by association anyway, and towards the end have him play a viable role in his defeat like aiding the heroes in breaching the castle. That’s how I would’ve done it at least
No time to figure out how to include Grant. But here's this guy named Godbrand that no one gives a dick about that gets all this screen time. Ugh.
Thanks for glossing over my point about how I would be completely fine with a season without Alucard in it at all. :P
My point flew completely over your head but whatever lol.
Unlike yourself I'm not so blindly partial to the point of where I would be ok with the show being cancelled just because my favorite character did not get more screentime, just because I'm a Alucard fan does not mean I can't be impartial with the Anime and the events they adapt, you on the other hand seem to be the one incapable of being impartial since your willing to drop the show due to your character not getting the screentime you want him to have while I on the otherhand would be fine with newer seasons not having Alucard in it at all, to be honest I would want them to adapt the next few seasons towards events with Simon or Christopher and have Alucard take a long break until they eventually circle back to it with a hypothetical SOTN adaption.
Your fanboy is showing. I never mentioned anything about screen time, nor is Trevor my favorite character. He is however supposed to be at least useful in a fight against Dracula. Stop making up opinions to fight against. You're coming off as obscenely snooty. And how gracious of you to be cool with them theoretically leaving Alucard out of stories he was never a part of...
I am not at all happy with the way they've taken this show, for many reasons, and as a life long fan of the games, I would prefer it just end, rather than continue to prattle on without respecting the source material. ????
You need to learn how to handle differing opinions.
Here's this guy named "Thinly Veiled Peter Stormare Who Is Always Welcome In Everything Because He's Hilarious and Has a Lot of International Appeal and Name Recognition". And Godbrand dies halfway through the season, so he's not actually there that long. He's also there so that Dracula's generals essentially have A voiced character, otherwise they're all mutes (which I'm ticked about, but I'll live).
Sorry but, they made the right call. Grant's most interesting stuff happens after Dracula's dead, and he doesn't really contribute that much to the fight. His greatest legacy is helping to rebuild and lead Wallachia after Dracula's death (which gets sabotaged just a few years later by Dracula's Curse, but he gave it the ole' college try, bless). Grant also has the unfortunate distinction of being a character that most players tend to skip over or drop asap, and routinely comes up in polls and surveys as the most forgettable of CV3's cast of characters, and he usually ranks poorly across the cast of the series as a whole, little better than guys like Maxim Kischne and Reinhardt Schneider.
By including Carmilla, Hector, and Isaac, they'd essentially maxed out on main characters. Adding more would have started to stretch the season, which already has rather a lot happening in a short span. By introducing Sticky Pirate to the main cast, they take time away from what's already happening to explain why he's important, and giving him enough screen time to make him feel like he contributes something. It also torpedoes the character dynamic between the 3 mains we already had and forces a new one to be developed, all of which takes time, and Season One is 4 half hour episodes and Season 2 is 8. Where do you suggest they put all that? It's not like they can phone up Netflix and be like "we need to grossly inflate the budget and get more episodes and add six months of production time because there's this one guy we HAVE to include". Most production companies aren't keen on people who ask that, either, so the very act of asking may have been Adi Shankar risking his job.
With the episodes they had to work with, cutting Grant was absolutely the right production decision. Nothing they could do would please everyone, but this was definitely the best compromise they could make.
I’m assuming they are going to loosely adapt the plot of Curse of Darkness in season 3. They already set up Hector & Isaac so it makes sense. Hopefully we will see Death too
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I wouldn't mind the addition of new, original characters. I liked Isaacs interpretation (even though I liked the original better) and I liked Godbrand as well. I wish the other members of Dracula's court would've been given slightly bigger roles, so maybe we'll get something like that with the addition of the new characters.
I wouldn’t count on it. We’ll probably only get brief character bios on the website & that’s about it
having been shoehorned into the series and being an unnecessary addition to CVwow, just like the animation itself!
Ok, hear me out on this one... I'm thinking the bearded guy in the back might be Mathias, in flashbacks. Looks just like Graham McTavish, the dude who voices Dracula, and if you take of the beard and change the hair he seems to have the same facial structure as Dracula. Also looks like he's holding the crimson stone, with something like chaos behind him. And his clothing is vaguely remiscent of Mathias's from Lament.
Hi guys long time no see.
I was looking at the guy at the top of the poster and thought hey, he looks like Mathias crossed with the Master Librarian. and is holding the Crimson Stone. But then when I looked closer, I could see his jacket is red, his shirt white, and he has a polka dot neck tie. Which made me go to thinking this might be a redesigned St Germain.
As for the red haired girl with Hector, seeing as she’s shown in Carmilla’s line up, my thoughts are that she’s Laura.
Hi guys long time no see.Yeah I thought she was Laura at first, and then Rosaly. Maybe a hybrid of the two? That guy with the “crimson stone” looking thing does give me some St Germain vibes.
I was looking at the guy at the top of the poster and thought hey, he looks like Mathias crossed with the Master Librarian. and is holding the Crimson Stone. But then when I looked closer, I could see his jacket is red, his shirt white, and he has a polka dot neck tie. Which made me go to thinking this might be a redesigned St Germain.
As for the red haired girl with Hector, seeing as she’s shown in Carmilla’s line up, my thoughts are that she’s Laura.
well he had no problem completely changing up Isaac who is no where near what he was like in Curse of Darkness, so i don’t see why he couldn’t have done the same with Grant....Isaac in the netflix show actualy appeared very similar to Isaac during the events of Cv3, as portrayed in the Curse of Darkness Manga. Other than the race change, but being that his race was never a central aspect of his character I don't think that was significant. We'll see where Isaac is at after Dracula's death, thats when he became the Isaac we knew is CoD, not before. I have a lot of problems with the netflix show, Isaac is one of the things I love.
Isaac in the netflix show actualy appeared very similar to Isaac during the events of Cv3, as portrayed in the Curse of Darkness Manga. Other than the race change, but being that his race was never a central aspect of his character I don't think that was significant. We'll see where Isaac is at after Dracula's death, thats when he became the Isaac we knew is CoD, not before. I have a lot of problems with the netflix show, Isaac is one of the things I love.
This would require Isaac to change from a calmer, more collected individual to a manic, more impulsive one. I could see this happening, and they could even divert his focus of revenge from Hector to Alucard/Trevor or even Carmilla, but they'd need to really show the psychological break Isaac has as a result of the defeat of Dracula and his not being there to prevent it and how it and his past trauma causes such a turn in personality.
I'll watch it because it's Castlevania, but I wasn't a very big fan so season 2.
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I have the feeling the old man with a hat at the poster was supposed to be the new Dracula, Mathias maybe? Yeah I know Mathias and Vlad are the same person in IGA's canon but then again the Netflix series took some liberties from the original source and maybe they decided to make Mathias and Vlad as two different person.
Or St. Germaine will become the new Dracula rather than as a time keeper since God knows when in IGA's canon.Doubt it because the events of the previous seasons pay homage to SotN, and in SotN, Dracula is STILL Alucard's father. Unless they do something like Saint Germain becoming the vessel to Dracula's spirit (but the spirit being Mathias Dracula, who IS Alucard's father), which would be similar to the main reason Zead wanted Hector to return in CoD.
It almost looks like the symbol of Saturn combined with Black Sulfur.
Philosopher's stone? Or the failures from making the Philosopher's -- ebony or crimson stone?
According to LoI both the crimson and ebony stones were created by accident. That knowledge might be lost to history with Rinaldo's passing. The ultimate goal of alchemy is the Philosopher's stone. Dracula, if I'm not mistaken, apparently has both of the other stones (not like he needs them with the kind of power he's capable of unleashing on his own). But since this is a stand-alone series who knows what they want to create with alchemy.
Was it the crimson stone itself that made him a vampire? Or the fact that he used it to steal Walter's soul that did?
The dialogue between Leon and Rinaldo (in the Japanese version at least) makes it seem like the act of stealing a vampire's soul is what makes you a vampire. This does raise the question of why Mathias just didn't steal Joachim's soul, especially since a cutscene implies he was present (but invisible) during the fight between Joachim and Leon. Unless he had already obtained a vampire's soul before he stole Walter's.Uhhhh, wasn't there a thread on the forums where someone said something along the lines of he wanted the soul of a more powerful vampire or something. I know there was a discussion regarding Mathias and his means of becoming a dark lord, but can't remember any details.
That's true but why does he desire power at this point in the timeline? His villain speech at the end of LoI makes it sound he's only interested in obtaining eternal life. Rinaldo's speech in the Japanese version does say the Ebony and Crimson stones are the greatest treasures "for those who wish to become lord of the night", so it's possible Mathias already had aspirations of "ruling the night", but for what purpose? I would have been nice if they had addressed that more clearly in the game.
That's true but why does he desire power at this point in the timeline? His villain speech at the end of LoI makes it sound he's only interested in obtaining eternal life. Rinaldo's speech in the Japanese version does say the Ebony and Crimson stones are the greatest treasures "for those who wish to become lord of the night", so it's possible Mathias already had aspirations of "ruling the night", but for what purpose?
I'm pretty sure Rinaldo's talking more of Walter than of Mathias, hinting at the fact Walter is after the other stone, which is confirmed later. Mathias seemed pretty satisfied he had just enough to become immortal with some cool new powers.
"Then why want Walter's soul and not just some vampire's?"
My interpretation is: Mathias is a strategist. How strategically advantageous is it to capture a lowly vampire that might be a slave to stronger one? Worse - imagine ignoring the chance to destroy an invincible vampire that wants the stone you have. Worse yet - imagine making a deal with that vampire and backpedalling to capture his underling. No matter the scenario, it's still a bad move to capture any other vampire except the invincible one with exactly the intention to get your stone.
Ignoring Walter because "any vampire works" is asking for trouble. Mathias going STRAIGHT for the vampire with invincibility powers and interest on his stone, coupled with Rinaldo's spiel, implies to me that it was no coincidence. He was trying to weed-out the apex predator. There is no "living forever" if some impervious vampire with an enormous army goes after you.
I really do feel like story telling is a lost art. A lot of Netflix originals suffer from this problem.Oh jee. What you just wrote sounds really stupid, and I'm unsure if I want to even finish this season.(click to show/hide)
You could have easily dropped Alucard's arc and it would have been a better show I think.
I can't think of anything good about Alucard's subplot, at all. Outside of being offensive, it's pointless, drags on, and a ridiculous way to get the end result.
If any character feels wasted, it was Alucard. Every time the season cuts back to him, it’s like “oh yeah he’s still here too. Don’t forget that this guy exists, mmkay?" He doesn’t really have a journey to go on this time around, and the two characters who join him are utterly forgettable and don’t add anything. It’s telling that I marathoned the whole series, finished it just 2 hours ago, and I can’t recall their names. Honestly, I would have favored cutting those two characters entirely, and paring Alucard’s scenes back as much as possible to just a set of bookending moments that began and ended the season, especially because he had so much time in the spotlight last season.
I'm so happy people hate it too. I loved the past 2 seasons. But wow... that was so awful.
Here's a click-baity article but it's refreshing to see an article point out the many weak points in the writing of the show instead of the constant shilling going on:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/castlevania-netflix-worst-plot-twists/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/castlevania-netflix-worst-plot-twists/amp/)
I gotta ask, cause I haven't seen it yet, but I heard there's like actual gay sex shown on screen or something like that. That doesn't perturb me, but I have to say it's pretty surprising to hear. Back in the 90s, they covered up some of the statues in Super Castlevania IV for fear of offending an American audience. How times have changed...
most of those "plot holes" aren't even plot holes.
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Thank you for this well-argued and insightful comment.
Personally, I find the idea of Alucard engaging in any kind of sexual activity to be very antithetical to his entire character. He's hell-bent on ending the legacy of his father and even taking the risk of siring a child seems very much out of character for him.
10 - We can't say that Alucard not saving Lisa is a plot hole, because it simply wasn't elaborated and there are plausible reasons for him not being able to do it (like, for example, simply not being there)
9 - Alucard's disdain is outright shown to be because the baby vampire skull. Considering we don't see other vampire babies, it's possible it's even a dhampir. In any case, it's clearly a moment of projection
8 - The text of point 8 literally states why it's not a plot hole. As a plot twist i mean, it's fair not to like it but it's not factually bad or anything like that
7 - Convenient but not a plot hole
6 to 4 - It's shown through his conversation with Isaac that Dracula knows Carmilla is stirring shit and plotting and he literally desn't give a flying fuck because he's depressed af
I feel it's fine, if it actually services the plot in a meaningful way, which neither of the two bits here do. Both are just contrived means to forward the plot, instead of advancing any kind of character development or to accomplish anything significant.
Fuck's sake, maybe I'm not a prude. Maybe I just want Castlevania and porn separate. It was just enough to be too much. I think this kind of stuff panders to the lowest denominator.
Honestly, the older I get the more tired I am of sex appeal practically being the forefront of people's engagement in entertainment. Seems like all people care about is who is fucking who, or who they want to see fuck who. It's mentally exhausting.
"Your life's work makes Him puke."To be fair, while the subversiveness of Netflix is most certainly why that exists, that one in particular worked just fine, seeing as the Bishop in particular was anything but a holy man. So it works. that whole scene with the demon in the church was brilliant. and contrasts nicely with the common priest showcased later who creates holy water from the well to aid the fight against the demons
If I didn't know any better I'd think these scripts were written by some kid from a gated community who had to go to Sunday school all the way up until he got out of high school and just got his first pc.
Isn't it kind of strange though, that Isaac of all characters isn't... portrayed in any sexual manner in this show? Why the hell not? Am I missing the point? Is it just opposite day?Yeah while I like what they did with Isaac, the way his movement progresses is absolutely ridiculous.
Also, Isaac, the reason people don't like your stupid ass is because you're rolling into town with hellbeasts animated from the corpses of people that were presumably somebody's relatives.
The philosophy in this is almost as bad as the Legacy of Kain series. "Duh, humans are just as bad." Like, guys, I don't know how to tell you this but at the end of the day you're still monsters.
Everybody sucks, but that doesn't make you "woke."
I heard someone was slandering legacy of kain what the fuck is this heresy
A small touch this season I did appreciate was the Beelzebub cameo in the priory, complete with flies buzzing about it, as the figure hung upside down at the altar. Little references in the art has been something I’ve enjoyed while watching. The Legion one was one of the less subtle, but an interesting way to get in a game nod. Also aside for some of the slight jerkiness at moments, the art seems to be getting much better with each season, such as the quality of the background art details, and character designs too. The map details were really good, and if you look closely, it’s labelled as being by S. Stark - one of the animator guys, who also shows up as part of Legion. I also keep thinking that Carmilla’s castle resembles the castle in LoS. A small detail I discovered this evening is that Lindenfeld is a real place in Romania. It’s a now abandoned town that was a German colony town established in the 19th century.Yeah man, those are highlights of the season IMO.
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What am I supposed to believe here? Alucard would have jumped in bed with Trevor and Sypha if they let him? Is that what those dolls are for?
Yeah while I like what they did with Isaac, the way his movement progresses is absolutely ridiculous.
>roll up to a town with hellspawn
>get turned away by guards who have no interest in having that shit marauding through their town
>HUMANS R BAD AND MEAN BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LET ME THROUGH
it would have MUCH better serviced his philosophy if he was instead befriended by people who later betray him, which cements his view that humans are evil and those acts of kindess are flukes.
I also keep thinking that Carmilla’s castle resembles the castle in LoS. A small detail I discovered this evening is that Lindenfeld is a real place in Romania. It’s a now abandoned town that was a German colony town established in the 19th century.
Whereas that’s the bit I didn’t like at all. It felt very dubious on the consents best, which is not ok.
Whereas that’s the bit I didn’t like at all. It felt very dubious on the consents best, which is not ok.I feel like that was the point. The whole score and framing of the scene was meant to communicate that something bad is happening.
The different worlds San German had glimpses of were pretty bizarre. I wonder if any of those mean anything, or if they were just random
Overall, while there are some issues here n there with the narrative, I’m glad that this Castlevania “anime” exists, as it’s allowing for actual discussion again. Like AlexCalvo said, I too am somewhat bewildered that some of you are of the mindset of “I’d rather have nothing Castlevania-related at all than watch this travesty!” Even though none of you literally said those words, that’s the sentiment I am getting while reading some of your opinions
I specifically enjoyed the scene where Isaac was conversing with the “demon with the eyes.” We rarely if ever get to hear THEIR side of the story, so I liked that. In my opinion, he was leaving out an important part to why he was damned to Hell just for “being a philosopher goes against God.” When he was human he probably raped women or was a pedophile, who knows. I like how it made me speculate on what the truth could really be
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Anyone else think that St. Germain’s lost companion could essentially be a gender swapped Aeon? Aha the strange things that pop into a fan’s head sometimes.
Overall, I was very satisfied with the way the season turned out, however many tragedies might have been in it.
Could all of the terrible things that transpired in Season 3 be attributed to Dracula’s Curse, or was it all just a sad commentary on human nature?
The season could’ve been shorter than it was, like 7 or 8 episodes. Like others have said, a bit too much exposition & dialogue. Although I enjoyed the character development, a lot of times I kept saying to myself “okay get on with it already” and move on to the next scene. But I understand they’re trying to showcase the “in-between” time after Dracula’s defeat; the games cut right to the chase, Dracula is revived, Belmont/a new protagonist steps to kill him, the end. But what about after? The games never explore that, so that’s what this series is trying to do.
They just need to work on the pacing issues between the downtime & action, and we should be okay moving forward
Could all of the terrible things that transpired in Season 3 be attributed to Dracula’s Curse, or was it all just a sad commentary on human nature?
I want them to continue with this show, because Konami isn’t doing anything substantial with the series & the closest thing we have is Grimoire of Souls, which isn’t even released & is more like a beta half-game :rollseyes:
I enjoy the debates we all are having & I want that to continue
I just hope we eventually see Death. He is Dracula’s confidant, after all. It would be cool that if Dracula’s acolytes tried to resurrect him, they fail and inadvertently summon Death itself. Then HE becomes the antagonist momentarily, Trevor & co. attempt to defeat him, but fail & he successfully resurrects Dracula using Isaac as a vessel. It would be kinda cool if they bring back Sir Patrick Stewart to voice DeathI like this idea.
One thing that was nice about the slow pace of the show is that it gave me plenty of time for my eyes to wander and take in the background of whatever castle, building, town, forest they happened to be in. I always do that while playing the games, pausing the action after killing everything in the room for quite a while and just enjoy “being” there.
I hate Warren Ellis. How anyone let someone that has absolutely no respect for the source material at hand be the head of this clusterf*ck is beyond me.
I hate Warren Ellis. How anyone let someone that has absolutely no respect for the source material at hand be the head of this clusterf*ck is beyond me.
IIRC, according to the leak Cox wasn't that big of a problem actually. The actual huge one was the other guy, Alvarez or something like that.
Cox came to this forum and lied to us about some of the decisions that went into the first Lords of Shadow game. Unless my memory is spotty, he posted here justifying the masks and how that was part of concept art that we've never seen; if he didn't do this here, then he did it in interviews that I'm layering here. Though Cox's lies were more apparent about saying that an HD version of Mirror of Fate existed and then said he didn't, and things like that.
I don't think Dave Cox disliked the source material. Enric Alvarez was the one who pushed for Dracula to be depicted the way he was in Lords of Shadow 2 and the bad ideas like the rats and stealth from the Quake looking goons with the guns.
Guys, sex is a part of life. You’re here because your mom & dad fucked each other. Stop acting like “eww, there’s sexual stuff in Castlevania.” NONE of it is graphic pornography, so if you’re not 10 years old, get the fuck over it. Seriously.
Taking a shit is also part of life but that doesn't mean I want the Alucard dumping ass subplot.
10 year olds are the ones into shock value and gritty bullshit, mate.
Edit: Also, are you suggesting it'd be fine if I watched my parents fuck?
Guys, sex is a part of life. You’re here because your mom & dad fucked each other. Stop acting like “eww, there’s sexual stuff in Castlevania.” NONE of it is graphic pornography, so if you’re not 10 years old, get the fuck over it. Seriously.
I remember when Dave Cox made an account, I think his name was “Coxee” or something like that.
nonono sex is sin and we shouldn't watch it. the guy spilling his guts is totally fine tho
nonono sex is sin and we shouldn't watch it. the guy spilling his guts is totally fine tho
Besides that, he blocked Nagumo on Twitter because she called him out when he lied & said Trevor & Alucard would be different characters, So screw him >:(
I don't know, the adult content and general atmosphere of this show in particular comes off as attention seeking/angsty to me. I'm really bummed about it.
There's plenty of that in things like Blade or Bloodrayne, but I more-or-less expect it there. I liked Castlevania too much as it was to enjoy the shift in tone. Even if this Alucard is technically a different Alucard, I'm not thrilled.
If Alucard stopped at any point during SotN to just start boning Richter and Maria, yeah, I'd probably feel differently about these games.
I've misjudged this fanbase. You poor souls have clearly been getting blueballed for decades and I had no idea.
If Alucard stopped at any point during SotN to just start boning Richter and Maria, yeah, I'd probably feel differently about these games.
I've misjudged this fanbase. You poor souls have clearly been getting blueballed for decades and I had no idea.
If Alucard stopped at any point during SotN to just start boning Richter and Maria, yeah, I'd probably feel differently about these games.
I've misjudged this fanbase. You poor souls have clearly been getting blueballed for decades and I had no idea.
Besides that, he blocked Nagumo on Twitter because she called him out when he lied & said Trevor & Alucard would be different characters, So screw him >:(
gonna post this in r/inceltears lmao
How is this even related to incels?
gonna post this in r/inceltears lmao
I'm only here because people keep popping their head in to insult me just for the fact that I don't like these scenes.
I understand this can be confusing because the ones quoting me are cherry picking sentences and condensing any broader points about them, and seldom, if at all, addressing anything else I brought up. This is not the only reason I'm done with it.
I've misjudged this fanbase. You poor souls have clearly been getting blueballed for decades and I had no idea.
I'd love to get out of this thread, but I'm not about to be run out by the mob either, so that's where we're at.
Defending Alucard crying while getting fucked and locking himself in his house.
I'm the incel?
Look guys, you could remove these scenes and I'd still find the script mentally stunted. I was not thrilled about this show to begin with. I'm not even sure if I can excuse it as gritty. It's just... brain dead. For the record, I actually bailed on this franchise around Lords of Shadow. Granted, LoS is a godsend by comparison and I actually own those games.
I'm only here because people keep popping their head in to insult me just for the fact that I don't like these scenes.
I understand this can be confusing because the ones quoting me are cherry picking sentences and condensing any broader points about them, and seldom, if at all, addressing anything else I brought up. This is not the only reason I'm done with it.
And I wish I could write this show off as a side thing, but as I stated forever ago, this is Castlevania as far as the greater picture is concerned right now, and I find that sad. All the merchandise at places like GameStop, you name it, is Netflix Castlevania.
This show could have been a lot better. The scraps of quality it produces are far and few between. As far as it being a side thing at all is concerned, they'd have been better off not basing it on Dracula's Curse.
Edit: I'd love to get out of this thread, but I'm not about to be run out by the mob either, so that's where we're at. On a couple of posts I was trying to say my piece as maturely as possible and bail. If this counts for melodrama, I have some bad news about your cartoon.
I've misjudged this fanbase. You poor souls have clearly been getting blueballed for decades and I had no idea.
Even without it Isaac would still be wandering around with a pack of hellspawn animated from the corpses of somebody's relatives trying to sound poetic like society is to blame.
Haha, this nicely sums up why I thought Isaac's storyline fell flat. The idea is interesting but the execution just doesn't work.
I don't know why people keep trying to make a sex + gore connotation. I'm not. These things are different, and would contribute differently. I don't think I'm morally superior (though the thing I said about kids is a little sad to me), I just think the show is bad. No, I probably still wouldn't like it if it were written in better, but there's an added sting in now poorly it's put together. That being said, SotN's content is a lot tamer than this. It's a bad comparison.
The sexual content is just too out of left field, drags on, and interrupts the only good fight in the season. Even without it Isaac would still be wandering around with a pack of hellspawn animated from the corpses of somebody's relatives trying to sound poetic like society is to blame. Hector I presume would still be someone's boy slave. There would still be the hole full of dead little kids at the end because every good society figure is secretly evil. S1 and 2 weren't my cup of tea but Ellis really does seem like he lives for angst. I can't justify a guy who has never played the games writing for a video game adaptation greenlit by a company that doesn't care about its fans.
Now, I'm out. I'm sure everyone's fine with that. I'd only be repeating myself. If I go on this is going to condense itself to "it's bad," "no it's not."
I genuinely thought more people would share my opinion at the start of this. Thought wrong. Sorry I upset anyone or whatever you consider it.
Haha, this nicely sums up why I thought Isaac's storyline fell flat. The idea is interesting but the execution just doesn't work.
Haha, this nicely sums up why I thought Isaac's storyline fell flat. The idea is interesting but the execution just doesn't work.
I think that's the point of Isaac's plot though. He has a point but he is very wrong
I thought the overall narrative in the Lords of Shadow series was far worse than what we’re watching now
I’m curious, have any of you read the Belmont Legacy limited comic book series?
I thought the point of Isaac's arc was to trying to make his character seem more complex and gray. The best way to achieve that is to make the audience relate to his character. However, if his position is completely unreasonable (which is the case considering how his scenes are written) there's no point to dwelling on it for so many scenes! It's a case of do it right or don't do it all.
I think that's exactly why he's has a degree of gray though. We know he can be reasoned but he's not reasonable simultaneously because demons aren't good at all (like, without any shade of gray or racism there, they just aren't) yet he doesn't seem to truly rationalize that. Isaac is very much insane.
[...] i was thinking about the zombie priest making the river holy water last season and thinking it was to some degree criticized for being anti God/religion
first i've heard, that's an interesting way to look at it i hadn't considered
though, i criticize it because an "unholy" undead creature being able to successfully bless anything with prayer doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so maybe it's a given i wouldn't have thought of that stance
????. We've fought several monsters with "holy" based power in the games. Doesn't seem any different to me...
I think you have to look at it from a perspective of holy/of God =/= necessary good.
This would be true for the games, as well. There are some enemies in the game who make use of light/holy magic, yet fight for Dracula. It follows that holyness, in Castlevania, is a separate thing from god, while mostly associated with him. Furthermore, given that Castlevania is very much Europe and Christianity seen through a Japanese lense, god is a very intangible concept from the get-go. Far less than in fundamental Christianity, the Japanese view the christian god as a concept or idea, rather than a literal person of unlimited power. It could even be reasoned that, in the games, the christian god doesn't exist or is just some force, rather than a literal thing.
i don't see why we're citing the games as evidence for this given the first two seasons of the show have considerably different world rules for this kinda thing
because it was explicitly a topic about the rules of holy and unholy power within the context of the show and "well the games did it" doesn't explore how it applies under the show's world rules, and i was operating under the assumption we were going to discuss it within the framework of the show because it's quite clear by this point that the games don't hold a lot of water when it comes to explaining/rationalizing elements of the show
you know what isn't fun to do?
introducing a (comparatively) harmless confliction of perspective and getting patronized for it with premises everyone already knows by someone with a one-sided axe to grind who typically prefers to downvote just about anything i do post
it's no small wonder why i've taken to not really contributing anything meaningful to this thread/site anymore
now enact whatever this grudge you seem to have is and slap a downvote on this, i've got an image to maintain
that post wasn't directed explicitly at you nor really even as a jab, as you weren't the only person i'd seen that had expressed that concern in the fanbase at large, and while i did end up being wrong the idea of being worried about absence of a character whose actor was at that point still on the castlist was something i found a little silly at the time
yes, i was wrong about the importance of grant's inclusion on the casting, but i wasn't exactly anticipating them to pull a fast one and have him on there knowing it would give impressions they weren't keeping
is an admittance of being wrong and apology for something not aimed at you what you're wanting? if that please you then yes, i was wrong and i apologize for making what to me was a light joke and not accounting for how it might read to others
i'm not sure what this chip you're referring to is, i don't actually have any beef with you, hence my confusion about whatever this vendetta you seem like you have is
if i have any chip it's related to the entire fanbase at large and how it handles certain things, and that's obviously not something that can be targeted at individual people and is also largely useless to fight against so i've learnt to mostly just deal with it because it's just ingrained at this point
i've been deliberately distancing and limiting my posts mostly to shitposts and brief statements so as not to get as involved or heated as i did in the past for the sake of not being or coming across as condescending as i've been known to, if that wasn't clear from my severely cut-back posting habits
it's good to know at least one person is proving that i've been wasting my time trying to be better, though
i'm aware this will sound fairly gaslight-y but there's no way i can think of the phrase it otherwise so please forgive it:
i've been over here limiting my interactions and trying to improve on past mistakes (fully aware that it's a slow-going and not happening overnight), and the same kind of retaliations are being thrown at me like nothing is different from a year-plus ago, and you're going to tell me something's getting old?
i don't know what you people want from me at this point, short of leaving the site altogether which if this stigma continues is starting to seem like a very appealing option
i'm not really intending to play victim, just making clear where i am in relation to this forum, but i admit it's pretty much impossible to do the latter without looking like i'm doing the former
i don't really understand how my switching to unserious and shitposts is really "opening floodgates" when the entire point was to change posting habits to something i'd only rarely done before to see if it made a difference in how i came across
if the issue is that some of those posts are being taken as insults, there's only so much i can do there as everything is cause for offense by someone and i'm not psychic -- and regardless of whether it's mean-spirited or not in its delivery, i just am a smartass as a person, so it's kind of a damned if i do and damned if i don't scenario in that respect
yes, i'm aware of the contextual differences between lashen's group response and mine, but i don't know offhand if lashen has quite the same history in this territory as i do, and that history does alter one's approach a bit
frankly i'm not even really saying it's unacceptable -- the statute of being better not happening overnight applies as much to public response as it does my own efforts -- but when i'm making those efforts to move past old wounds and am getting negative responses from people i previously thought i was cool and had no real beef with...
...well, it kinda becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy in that the self-deprecating jokes about my "image" stems almost entirely from folks still treating me as if that image is all that i am, despite a significant lack in any of the fights or incidents that i've been infamous for in the past and thus considerable lack of any reason to react as if i had been involved in any
it's kinda a case where my steps to try and be better than i was get a response that i'm still just That Asshole, so i just sarcastically accept my social role as The Asshole and "invite" it because the impression is clearly that nothing i do is going to change anyone's minds and the version of me other people come up with is not my responsibility, so fuck it why not just go back to being The Asshole? (i'd really rather not willingly ramp back to where i was, and am not planning to, but this is kinda where my train of thought has been slowly mulling over)
you say it's sad that you thought we were past this and seemingly aren't? that's literally where i'm at and have been since the initial influx of downvotes and (to me) seemingly out of nowhere admonishments started up again
so waffle how long before you start having fanfic field days with the vampiress council?
i don't see why we're citing the games as evidence for this given the first two seasons of the show have considerably different world rules for this kinda thing
This concept has not been touched on in the show before this. There were no rules set up for it.
Until we saw a demon monster using holy magic, people say that makes no sense, we say that's right out of the games... Acting like this has no bearing because the show is different is just... Stupid. That's like saying "how come he's using a whip?". And lambasting when someone says it's because they did in the games.
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Reading that last page was like sludging through Curse of Darkness all over again
we see him tell bluefangs that demons cannot enter a house of god
now, obviously the bishop was an evil bastard who cannot be trusted to be a man of true belief and he shouldn't entirely take him at his word, but the immediacy with which he refers to this suggests that the very idea of unholy creatures entering a church is something unheard-of -- presumably because, like the above instances, a church is consecrated ground and would kill demons just as well as a blessed whip
bluefangs also seems to confirm this premise by responding that said church is "an empty box"
now obviously he could just as easily be mocking the bishop and i think largely this is what he's doing, but with all the above information i also choose to believe there's a small ring of truth to the statement, in that yes, in a non-horrifyingly-corrupt setting a demon entering a "true" church's grounds would be cause for pain and/or death but the absence of any god in that particular church (due to the actions of the bishop "making [god] puke" causing any former holiness of the site to dry up like a well in the desert) eliminates this risk
the above is very much a bit of a stretch and i'm relying on it because it just happens to enforce my interpretation, but i also do willingly concede it's just as likely to be true that bluefangs was simply mocking the bishop's empty words
Season 4 has been confirmed
Will I think the show could be much better and there are many things wrong with it, I do think a Season 4 is a good idea. It's flawed, but not bad. However, Season 4 should be the last. Dragging things out too long is the death piece of medium.
Sorry but how is this being dragged out too far? When so far only one of the Belmonts has been been covered so far? World building and taking its time to unfurl a story and something going on past it’s time are different things. Yes the series isn’t without flaws including on pacing, but this series has much more story to tell.
I could go as many as five seasons if they devote enough runtime in S4 to Hector escaping his imprisonment, meeting Rosalie, and falling in love before Isaac finds them. Finish season 4 off with her murder, and make Season 5 into a sort of broad-strokes adaptation of Curse of Darkness with Trevor and Sypha in a diminished role and with Hector as the lead.
This is the hill I will die on.
I want Hector turned into the badass he was in the Iga timeline and there's still room to do this thing.
Not necessarily. It depends on how it’s handled. If it’s a connection via the Infinite Corridor, for example, the two series could easily stay separate but connected in a multiverse manner. You’re honestly coming across as let’s cancel this all now in case it goes bad, wah wah wah everything goes bad. You’re coming across overly pessimistic and a bit of a stick in the mud. Yes, this isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. But it is for plenty of others. But just because some people don’t like it doesn’t mean it has to be cancelled. If you don’t like it, then don’t watch it. It’s that simple.
Dracula9 has that effect on threads.
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I agree with what you're saying but I don't think there was any pro/anti-show-bickering going on the last page. I got the impression that Dracula9 liked the show and DraculaCronqvist outright said he wants the series to continue. So whatever caused the arguments on the previous page to become heated had different underlying causes.
As for me, I was just venting, which I think is something that should be allowed in a thread like this as long as it isn't done constantly. Some people (like Crisis) are clearly cool with me riffing on the show, despite them liking it. Unfortunately, others seem to take posts like that personally and seem to have the urge to react to it in order to validate their own opinion. While I agree with your appeal for more civil discussion, I don't think that should be achieved by preventing people from saying anything controversial. Also, I don't agree with the sentiment of: "If you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all". I get that it's annoying if someone is constantly criticizing something that you really like, but it's equally annoying being denied the opportunity to vent by criticizing something related to a subject you're passionate about.
What I think needs to be done to "untoxify" this thread is the following:
1) Leave room for people to express their opinion on the show without feeling the need to shout them down. If people either want to praise the show or want to vent, let them.
2) Just cut it out with the ad hominems in general, whether you're disagreeing about the quality of the show or something else *looks at both Dracula9 and AlexCalvo*
I think these two things are evoking that sense of childishness in this thread to which Lumi Kløvstad was alluding to. So from now, I'm going to make sure the above two things will no longer occur in this thread. Aside from that, you're completely free to speak your mind.
Now go discuss whetever Grant will appear in season 4 or if they're totally saving him for season 5 +.
How the hell am I ad hominem attacking anyone? All of my discussion on this show has been based on the show itself and the games. My little Barb against the dude was not in anyway related to his stance on the show, just his toxic tendance to try and take over/derail topics.
What probably would help is if people here are going to vent then they should announce it before starting. That would help to clarify things and leave a lot less room for misinterpretation.
I'm a bit late to the revived discussion about the Zombie bishop issue- I take issue with it because I dont really feel an undead creature which is kind of a darkness thing, and barely seemed sentient to boot- could consecrate holy water. I remember while watching it, thinking that because he was a zombie and therefore an unholy creature, what he was doing was going to have the opposite effect. So he still has muscle memory they can order him to consecrate the water, but as an undead creature, it would create i dunno, unholy water. So i was a bit disappointed when it ended up just being holy water. But on top of that he DOES combust once he starts doing that, which further drives that home for me.
That said, there's also a pretty good irony to it, in that the Bishop, a corrupt *very much* "far-from-holy" man, was arguably more effective against creatures of the night as an undead zombie than when he was an actual living human.
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also you guys need to just chill.
Stop gettin' mad at video games. (or cartoons, in this case)
The show isn’t just one person. It’s a team. Also swearing.
Well, I don’t think of Castlevania as anime, and I’ve certainly never called it that. But I’ve been interested in animation my whole life, so it wasn’t like I went in with no knowledge or experience of the medium. If you want to talk about anime in specific, I can talk your ear off about FLCL or Satoshi Kon’s work for hours, or even the sheer artistry in the small details of even minor Ghibli work like From Up On Poppy Hill. But, as I say, I could go on about animation from all parts of the world. Eastern European animation of the 60s and 70s was wild, for example.
3) Dude watches FLCL. I'm gonna need to process that for a while.
Of course the dude watches FLCL. He's a total perv.
Unfortunately that’s how media is in general these days. Look at the Marvel movies by comparison, they have very little in common with their comic book counterparts, only by the most superficial aspects here n there. But the audience don’t read the comics so they don’t care.
Marvel movies... are made by the same company.
I'm gonna go off on a bit of a tangent here, so mods feel free to mod if you feel that's best.
Marvel Studios is a wholly separate company from Marvel Comics. They share leadership now (finally), but until 2018 they had different executive boards, different in-house talent pools, and each often didn't know what the other was doing until it was done.
That Marvel movies work so well is rather a sign of content creation being led by uber-fans like Kevin Feige. Feige in particular is a once-in-a-lifetime superfan who has been involved in just about every Marvel-related multimedia project since the early 1990's, working his way from basically a Kitchen Boy to head of Marvel Studios, to now basically director of All Marvel Creative Content over at the comics company while retaining his top spot at Marvel Studios. Feige was able to gradually turn fandom into increasingly surefire business decisions, which flat out wasn't possible when he first got into the business as a lowly set-worker.
Castlevania doesn't have that (or even anything close; Avi Arad might be as close as we have today), though it came reasonably close once upon a time.
For a good long while, Konami had their own Feige analog (or as close as could reasonably be mustered) in Koji Igarashi, but Iga was unfortunately controversial with a sizable plurality of fans throughout his run and Konami never gave him the leadership positions and resources he needed to really do what he really wanted to do; he got a taste of that when he took over Symphony's development but that "spare no expense" production value would elude him more and more for the rest of his run.
Castlevania NEEDS a Kevin Feige. It probably won't ever get one.
Not unless one of us manages to somehow con Konami into giving us creative control, anyway. Fingers crossed, amirite?
Anyway, no real point. Here's a wall meat for y'all's trouble.
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What was controversial about IGA? I'n not sure I understand the same reasons others do :-\
>Dracula was [some dude] and not Vlad Tepes? IGA you hack.
This one tickles me the most... why?
>Dracula was [some dude] and not Vlad Tepes? IGA you hack.
>Too many games without Belmont protagonists? C'mon IGA, what the fuck...
>WAAAAAH IGA MADE X GAME NOT CANON BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WORK ON IT!
>Because of IGA all men now look like women. Damn you IGA.
>Dracula is now a Japanese guy? Gimme a break!
>IGA changed it from Akumajou Dorakyura to Kyassurubania? Had to be IGA.
>IGA hates Sonia, therefore he hates women.
>IGA keeps adding all this bullshit to the story. Castlevania needs no story.
>Judgment
The list is long. Most of it is nonsense, very little is reasonable. And that's on our side, can't imagine how controversial he was inside Konami.
Castlevania NEEDS a Kevin Feige. It probably won't ever get one.
Not unless one of us manages to somehow con Konami into giving us creative control, anyway. Fingers crossed, amirite?
I nominate Nagumo. I’m sure she can handle it
>Dracula was [some dude] and not Vlad Tepes? IGA you hack.
>Too many games without Belmont protagonists? C'mon IGA, what the fuck...
>WAAAAAH IGA MADE X GAME NOT CANON BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WORK ON IT!
>Because of IGA all men now look like women. Damn you IGA.
>Dracula is now a Japanese guy? Gimme a break!
>IGA changed it from Akumajou Dorakyura to Kyassurubania? Had to be IGA.
>IGA hates Sonia, therefore he hates women.
>IGA keeps adding all this bullshit to the story. Castlevania needs no story.
>Judgment
The list is long. Most of it is nonsense, very little is reasonable. And that's on our side, can't imagine how controversial he was inside Konami.