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Title: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Hayoam on May 10, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
http://n4g.com/news/993539/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-set-for-an-e3-reveal (http://n4g.com/news/993539/castlevania-lords-of-shadow-2-set-for-an-e3-reveal)

am excited  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
What I hope for in los2 :-
at least you can explore for a hidden items or secrets
know the enemies information and what items you can get from them or steal or whatever bleeb you can do
new fighting mechanics - Weapons Weapons Weapons  8)
But I have a feeling that won't happen
anyway that's just me
my opinion
don't hate on me people
 :rollseyes:
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 10, 2012, 04:33:03 PM
this was a given.. common knowledge

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don't hate on me people

how dare you!
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: knightmere on May 10, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
Yeah this has been known for awhile but thx anyway.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: X on May 10, 2012, 05:43:17 PM
I might give LoS 2 a try if the videos about it look promising. But If it's anything like the original then no way am I buying it.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 10, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
I am really excited for this! I loved the first one. I've been such a huge fan of the series since it was first around, but I'm kind of glad IGA is kind of finished with his games in the series. I just feel like this is where the series needs to go. I like a good narrative in a game, and that's something that really hasn't been a part of Castlevania with a few exceptions, and LoS pulled it off really well. Also, while I know graphics and 3D gameplay may not always be the most important thing in a game, I have a really hard time connecting to or feeling any kind of emotion to a 2D game with little story. So I just think that while LoS may not be every fans cup of tea, it's nice to see a change.

That being said, I'm hoping for more classic enemies. I was thinking, maybe since all the flea men, and medusa heads and all that are around in DRACULA'S castle, maybe now that Gabriel is Dracula we' ll see things like that.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 10, 2012, 07:05:45 PM
I might give LoS 2 a try if the videos about it look promising. But If it's anything like the original then no way am I buying it.

That's my fear as well, in the back of my mind I feel that Mercurysteam is just gonna take everything from Lords of Shadow and copy/paste it, make it even less of a Castlevania game and call it a day. I hope it's not the case and that they listened to the complaints and actually make a effort to make it resemble Castlevania as faithful as they can.

Other than that im stoked, Lords of Shadow 2 has nowhere to go but up if the rumored improvements are true, bring on E3!
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 10, 2012, 07:08:23 PM
I agree with some of the other posters. I will keep up with the news on it but if it's like the first one then color me uninterested.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 10, 2012, 07:12:43 PM
I have my faith in this game. I liked what they did with Lords of Shadow, and having heard and read of the development process, especially the early process, I'm fairly confident the sequel will be very good, if not better, than the original. Given the success of Lords, I feel they will have much more freedom with the game and it's world and story than with the first, now that they have "proven" themselves to Konami and pleased them enough to be allowed a sequel.

IOW, theyve gotten their bearings as far as making first attempt at a Castlevania game- And now that they have their feet firmly in the ground, it's time to make some shit happen.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: X on May 10, 2012, 08:47:21 PM
There's only one thing that I hope Mercurysteam does NOT do like they did with the first game; DLC. LoS 2 should be complete upon release rather then incomplete.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 10, 2012, 09:31:47 PM
That's my fear as well, in the back of my mind I feel that Mercurysteam is just gonna take everything from Lords of Shadow and copy/paste it, make it even less of a Castlevania game and call it a day.
Copy and paste? What makes you believe that? MS is the studio I've seen copying and pasting LESS ever. They didn't do that  even with textures (The Castle ones are amazing, such variety). If anything, they'll only get better.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 10, 2012, 10:43:34 PM
That was a given.

Consider me cautiously pessimistic. I wonder if they'll announce a WiiU version.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 11, 2012, 12:00:51 AM
I will buy it anyway for carrying the name of castlevania

but i'm sure i will not like this one if its something like the first los released back in 2010 ...
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 11, 2012, 12:06:23 AM
Copy and paste? What makes you believe that? MS is the studio I've seen copying and pasting LESS ever. They didn't do that  even with textures (The Castle ones are amazing, such variety). If anything, they'll only get better.


dude there is only one CV game released from MS studio so how can u even say this studio "is less copying and pasting" u can see the future or what ?

both of you guys wrong no one knows what MS is doing now ... its like u went sooo deep inside the studio and came here telling us what they're doing if they're copying and pasting or not

sorry for double post
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 11, 2012, 12:30:22 AM
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dude there is only one CV game released from MS studio so how can u even say this studio "is less copying and pasting" u can see the future or what ?
They have made at least 3 other games to my knowledge.

And I still dont get the dislike for LoS, I though it was a fresh, brand new interpretation of the franchise while still retaining somewhat of a Classicvania feel in regards to level progression and areas. (And protagonist from a design standpoint)

Maybe Im just more open minded as opposed to some who are perhaps more rigid in what they want from a Castlevania.

I understand they had some issues as far as the game actually being of the Castlevania IP or an original IP goes, because Konami didnt want MS' Castlevania to upstage the at the time upcoming CV Judgement, and I can imagine that in order to make the game sell better, the adopted a few of the more current game trends. (mainly QTE's) Which is why I feel that the sequel will have much more creative freedom behind it, and possibly more elements people wanted (or less elements they didnt)

Im sure they took at least some of the (more sensible) critiques, and thought them out a bit.

I guess we simply have to wait and see, repeating the same arguments and opinions at each other wont really do much until the game is revealed and we get a glimpse of what it brings to the table.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 11, 2012, 12:53:43 AM
They have made at least 3 other games to my knowledge.

And I still dont get the dislike for LoS, I though it was a fresh, brand new interpretation of the franchise while still retaining somewhat of a Classicvania feel in regards to level progression and areas. (And protagonist from a design standpoint)

Maybe Im just more open minded as opposed to some who are perhaps more rigid in what they want from a Castlevania.

I understand they had some issues as far as the game actually being of the Castlevania IP or an original IP goes, because Konami didnt want MS' Castlevania to upstage the at the time upcoming CV Judgement, and I can imagine that in order to make the game sell better, the adopted a few of the more current game trends. (mainly QTE's) Which is why I feel that the sequel will have much more creative freedom behind it, and possibly more elements people wanted (or less elements they didnt)

Im sure they took at least some of the (more sensible) critiques, and thought them out a bit.

I guess we simply have to wait and see, repeating the same arguments and opinions at each other wont really do much until the game is revealed and we get a glimpse of what it brings to the table.

its my opinion and for the 4th time i tell you , i don't hate los but it makes me miss many things from castlevania so i even prefer iga than MS and yes MS studio created 4 games not only 3 but they created 1 castlevania until now

the first los game has insanely went so far from the castlevania games the designs are just enough to talk about

especially when i went inside the castle i said yes ! now i'm inside the castle and all what i saw is boobs !
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 11, 2012, 01:33:29 AM
its my opinion and for the 4th time i tell you , i don't hate los but it makes me miss many things from castlevania so i even prefer iga than MS and yes MS studio created 4 games not only 3 but they created 1 castlevania until now

the first los game has insanely went so far from the castlevania games the designs are just enough to talk about

especially when i went inside the castle i said yes ! now i'm inside the castle and all what i saw is boobs !

Do not complain about boobs man it's not like it was a bad thing right ;)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 11, 2012, 01:51:47 AM
Do not complain about boobs man it's not like it was a bad thing right ;)

But you must know that we need something more than that like whipping the candles , gaining hearts , epic soundtracks "not movies soundtracks" real zombies and vampires
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 11, 2012, 05:35:48 AM
LoS goes for more of a realism feel to it- gaining hearts just wouldnt make much sense in that light. It never really made sense at all IMO, and I always wondered what the hearts are supposed to be. Do belmonts weapons literally run fueled by red dripping hearts? They like some voodoo weapons or some shit?

Also, there were candles in the castle. everywhere. And they were very whippable, and dropped sub weapons.

but to each their own.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 11, 2012, 05:45:58 AM
Copy and paste? What makes you believe that? MS is the studio I've seen copying and pasting LESS ever. They didn't do that  even with textures (The Castle ones are amazing, such variety). If anything, they'll only get better.

When I meant by copy and paste I didn't mean reused enviroment's, what I meant is that I worry that they will take both the good and the bad gameplay aspects from LOS1 and put them in LOS2 with no improvements. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Mercurysteam would be THAT lazy but something deeeep in the back of my mind is telling me that's what gonna happen.

Now what keep's my doubt's in check is that Cox and Alverez are fully aware of what's needed and what's not needed for the sequel (remember they both lurk the forums). Plus the new engine improvements and the rumor that the game will be more open is more than enough to get me hyped, now they just gotta show it and put my doubt's to rest.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 11, 2012, 06:07:09 AM
LoS goes for more of a realism feel to it- gaining hearts just wouldnt make much sense in that light. It never really made sense at all IMO, and I always wondered what the hearts are supposed to be. Do belmonts weapons literally run fueled by red dripping hearts? They like some voodoo weapons or some shit?

Also, there were candles in the castle. everywhere. And they were very whippable, and dropped sub weapons.

but to each their own.

lol those red hearts was in the game since "vampire killer" and they have changed it to crystals in bloodlines guess what ? they brought it back again to the series cuz its castlevania it has its own elements and ways to gain things , ok then where is the money bag in los ? the breakable walls ? and howah ?! wait i heard mgs main theme in castlevania ?? god dammit its castlevania ! not only that they brought us the solid eye and snake's bandana

ok for castlevania fans lets see what have they brought to us :

- Vampire killer theme want to hear it ? please you must get chibby to go inside that music box so cute ha ?

and unnoticeable remixes from SC4 they have totally ruined the original soundtracks , go and compare it to the original ones "you have your own opinion" i'm saying i never liked the remixes !!

- fans , we heard that you want to go inside the castle right ? ok we brought you an ancient castle filled with ice

- vampires , you want vampires ? ok have them naked !! baraka from mortal kombat is the main leader of the vampires ... no comment dude

and finally this :

http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab290/DENGO-ZERO/Untitled-2.png (http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab290/DENGO-ZERO/Untitled-2.png)

Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: VladCT on May 11, 2012, 07:05:51 AM
Okay Dengo, I may not be a big fan of LoS, but you're dangerously close to being as much of a douche as Sinful was here.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Gecko on May 11, 2012, 07:21:47 AM
I hope it turns out a lot like the first one, but with less puzzles, and more emphasis on action. That's something I felt they did really well in LoS. Though maybe they could make certain enemies less of a tank. I really like the direction overall, and LoS is a vast improvement compared to ALL the 3D 'vanias in the past.

I thought the vampires were an awesome callout to the N64 games, so I really enjoyed fighting them. I was only kind of disappointed that when you got bitten you didn't need a "purifying" to recover.  :( That would have been priceless.

I've talked about how I appreciate the atmosphere of the game and the feel of wilderness areas, as well as the castle locations. Honestly I kind of liked their take on making the castle more realistic overall in design, but I'm expecting that this sequel will have seen it grow a lot under Gabula's command.

I imagine that since Gabriel took the powers of the lords of shadow and became THE lord of shadow, we'll see more variety of enemies in the same location, such as fighting werewolves AND vampires, etc. I really liked the variety in bosses in the first one, but hopefully there will be less colossi to climb and hit the weak points of this time around. That got annoying.

In the end though, none of us has a clue how this will turn out, so here's hoping for the best! I'll be putting money down the second it's available for preorder.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 11, 2012, 07:32:13 AM
Okay Dengo, I may not be a big fan of LoS, but you're dangerously close to being as much of a douche as Sinful was here.

who are they ? if i'm doing something wrong then tell me bro , i will gladly listen to it
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: VladCT on May 11, 2012, 07:48:11 AM
Well, for one that was quite the immature outburst there, you might wanna calm down first so you can post a proper rebuttal next time. And I might have used the wrong comparison here since Sinful was more of an abrasive, condescending smartass. Just read the threads he made and you'll find out how bad he is to land a spot on my ignore list.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on May 11, 2012, 08:02:04 AM
Well, for one that was quite the immature outburst there, you might wanna calm down first so you can post a proper rebuttal next time. And I might have used the wrong comparison here since Sinful was more of an abrasive, condescending smartass. Just read the threads he made and you'll find out how bad he is to land a spot on my ignore list.

lol thanks for informing me bro , i'll do my best to be more respectful next time , my apologize
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: kingu on May 11, 2012, 08:31:14 AM
i hope the city is plastered with rage faces and gabriel spouts "u mad?" for the epic and hip win
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: uzo on May 11, 2012, 11:30:36 AM
LoS goes for more of a realism feel to it- gaining hearts just wouldnt make much sense in that light. It never really made sense at all IMO, and I always wondered what the hearts are supposed to be. Do belmonts weapons literally run fueled by red dripping hearts? They like some voodoo weapons or some shit?

Also, there were candles in the castle. everywhere. And they were very whippable, and dropped sub weapons.

but to each their own.

No different than hearts in current Zelda games. Or are we going to bitch how Zelda now needs to to change, since it's gotten more realistic over the years?

I don't understand the problem with keeping game iconography, especially in long running franchises.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 11, 2012, 11:39:01 AM
As much as I would like to see hearts, more candle whipping, and pot roast, I've accepted we're just not going to see any of it in the series anymore. I don't see why Castlevania can't have things like that though when MGS can have floating boxes of rations and cardboard boxes to sneak around in, they're just as campy as finding pot roast in the walls and using hearts for ammunition for sub weapons.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kaori on May 11, 2012, 11:56:43 AM
Will be watching videos online first. Simple as that. If it looks better than LoS, then I might try it. No more Titans. Please no more Titans! That was the main thing I hated about the game other than that it didn't feel like Castlevania enough too me.  :-\
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 11, 2012, 12:25:58 PM
No different than hearts in current Zelda games. Or are we going to bitch how Zelda now needs to to change, since it's gotten more realistic over the years?

I don't understand the problem with keeping game iconography, especially in long running franchises.

Since Gabriel is a vampire now, the hearts fueling your weapons should return. Actual hearts. He pulls them still beating from enemies and eats them to get power. That'd be hardcore and mature enough for the game right?

And they should still make the cute "Konami" sounds when he devours them.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 11, 2012, 12:40:14 PM
It might be more to do with LoS taking itself a bit more seriously (perhaps... too seriously?) than Castlevania games tend to take themselves.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: uzo on May 11, 2012, 12:41:49 PM
Since Gabriel is a vampire now, the hearts fueling your weapons should return. Actual hearts. He pulls them still beating from enemies and eats them to get power. That'd be hardcore and mature enough for the game right?

And they should still make the cute "Konami" sounds when he devours them.

+1
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sumac on May 11, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
On note: we don't even if Gabriel will be the main hero of the game.
Given the end of the LOS, it is very possible that there will be a new hero. Or, if Gabriel / Dracula will return as the protagonist, then gameplay will be completely new alltogether. Though, I don't put my money on it.

Personally, I believe, there will be new hero - either "True" Belmont or MS's interpretation of "Alucard".
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 11, 2012, 01:34:17 PM
Someone on here once brought up the idea that Gabriel could split into two people. Have the evil side be our Dracula and the good side be our Belmont. I'll be honest I have no love whatsoever for LoS but I could see that idea working.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Vampire Killer on May 11, 2012, 01:44:13 PM
Just chiming in with my 2¢.

Can't wait for LoS2. Thus far, E3 had little to nothing that I was particularly looking forward to this year. This changes that.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: RichterB on May 11, 2012, 01:48:10 PM
QUESTION: If MS keeps LoS' gameplay nearly identical, but "re-skins" the LoS universe to have more direct references to the Castlevnaia franchise, will that be enough to convert fans for LoS2?

I'd say no, and that's my fear, that MS thinks that'll be enough of an "update." While artistic cosmetics and semantics irked me in this reboot, the gameplay was still largely stuck in the GoW/DmC vein, causing even more problems in the long-term.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: BingleGod on May 11, 2012, 02:09:34 PM
Please don't even vaguely equate GoW with DMC. GoW is a blunt slog; DMC is a supertechnical, precise game that resembles a versus fighter more than a brawler.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 11, 2012, 02:20:13 PM
QUESTION: If MS keeps LoS' gameplay nearly identical, but "re-skins" the LoS universe to have more direct references to the Castlevnaia franchise, will that be enough to convert fans for LoS2?


My honest answer?

If the ones who didn't like LOS1 from it's announcement in 2009 and it's release in 2010, then there's no possible way they will like LOS2. Even if Mercurysteam make it resemble and sound like Castlevania to the fullest extent, their feelings about this reboot is set in stone and I don't see how LOS2 will make them come around. The best thing Mercurysteam can do is to make LOS2 better than it's predicessor and weed out the problems the first game had.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: RichterB on May 11, 2012, 02:41:14 PM
Please don't even vaguely equate GoW with DMC. GoW is a blunt slog; DMC is a supertechnical, precise game that resembles a versus fighter more than a brawler.

True enough. But I was merely speaking to the emphasis on frenetic combo-based action and more "secondary" use of platforming. I think that misconstrues the roots of Castlevania's paced action-platforming DNA.

My honest answer?

If the ones who didn't like LOS1 from it's announcement in 2009 and it's release in 2010, then there's no possible way they will like LOS2. Even if Mercurysteam make it resemble and sound like Castlevania to the fullest extent, their feelings about this reboot is set in stone and I don't see how LOS2 will make them come around. The best thing Mercurysteam can do is to make LOS2 better than it's predicessor and weed out the problems the first game had.

OK. I hope people will stick to their guns. Because I can imagine a scenario where people will say: "They added the Bloody Tears song and Medusa heads! It's fixed! This proves it's the rightful direction of Castlevania!" That'll drive me up the wall. My thought is, even if they add things like that, we'll probably only be around the level of LoI, which, give or take some pros and cons, isn't far from where we are now.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 11, 2012, 03:18:36 PM
I probably won't even pick up LoS 2 if it's not on WiiU. I have no interest in buying anymore games for my 360, hell I haven't even touched it in months.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sumac on May 11, 2012, 06:56:17 PM
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Someone on here once brought up the idea that Gabriel could split into two people. Have the evil side be our Dracula and the good side be our Belmont.
Hmm...like certain Lords...but how it could work?
Not that I believe in that diection.

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Because I can imagine a scenario where people will say: "They added the Bloody Tears song and Medusa heads! It's fixed! This proves it's the rightful direction of Castlevania!" That'll drive me up the wall.
If they do it, it will calm a lot of people. And if said people will accept LOS2 as true Castlevania then what is so bad about it? Your feelings? Insignificant.
Besides, people tend to change they mind over time - it is completely normal. Only obsessed fanatics stick to they guns till the end, I'd say.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 11, 2012, 07:05:42 PM
Hmm...like certain Lords...but how it could work?
Not that I believe in that diection.

I'm not sure. I just thought it was a good idea. ;D
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Vrakanox on May 11, 2012, 09:22:46 PM
I just hope this one is more like Castlevania.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Maedhros on May 11, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
As much as I would like to see hearts, more candle whipping, and pot roast, I've accepted we're just not going to see any of it in the series anymore. I don't see why Castlevania can't have things like that though when MGS can have floating boxes of rations and cardboard boxes to sneak around in, they're just as campy as finding pot roast in the walls and using hearts for ammunition for sub weapons.
This type of humor is common in Japanese games. I never expected to see this on this western developed game.

I just hope the sequel is less Uncharted. I like the game, but I want the platforming to be more like the one in the DLC (the part where he runs on the water and jumps to small platforms, THAT shit was platforming, going up and down automatically on a wall isn't). And that they can make their soundtrack a bit more like Castlevania, worst OST ever to listen outside the game.

ALSO, I hope we don't see David Cox as the PR guy this time around. Or at least, that he don't make promises that he can't maintain (no QTEs, SERIOUSLY? The first fucking fight has that! Based on CV IV? Where?)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 12, 2012, 04:24:34 AM
The sequel will have a castle and you'll fight monsters. You heard it here first!
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Hayoam on May 12, 2012, 04:54:31 AM
O_O
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Hayoam on May 12, 2012, 06:03:14 AM
When I heard about Los I was like YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSS
but when I finished the game well not so much
don't get me wrong the game was good but not the Castlevania That I expected  to be ~_~
and I still have hope for this one Because it's titled Castlevania 
And the developers can still satisfy the fans
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sumac on May 12, 2012, 09:34:26 AM
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Based on CV IV? Where?
Some people said that LOS "oozes SCV4".

Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 12, 2012, 11:34:10 AM
Well Gabriel is one big Simon shoutout, and they DID originally pitch a CV1 remake. and SC 4 IS the most commonly LOVED versions of CV1. I can see it. mainly the grapple points, which were one of CV4's biggest gimmicks with the whip, and which is surprisingly rare outside of that game.

I guess perhaps some of the ruins and waterfally shit is similar maybe.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: thernz on May 12, 2012, 12:32:53 PM
Then again who actually loves Super Castlevania IV because it had grapple hooks.

I liked SCV4 because of how rugged, intricate, and tight the terrain was and how it contrasted with the lithe maneuverings of Simon, how the graphics created a real sense of Grim™ while still holding a very varied color palette, the bizarre sense of abstractness in details, and the great jazzy tunes.

oh super castlevania pls take me
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 12, 2012, 12:50:06 PM
It's most likely nothing (again) but there is an Gamereactor interview with Enric Alverez that was posted a couple of days ago but it's in spanish. Can anyone translate plz?

http://www.gamereactor.es/articulos/18541/Mercury+Steam%3A+entusiastas%2C+no+entendidos/ (http://www.gamereactor.es/articulos/18541/Mercury+Steam%3A+entusiastas%2C+no+entendidos/)

The only thing I got were, Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 and Wii U.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sindra on May 12, 2012, 02:04:38 PM
Some people said that LOS "oozes SCV4".


It did not "ooze" SCV4. It trickled it, at best. During the one level with vampires and a castle.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 12, 2012, 03:00:37 PM
It's most likely nothing (again) but there is an Gamereactor interview with Enric Alverez that was posted a couple of days ago but it's in spanish. Can anyone translate plz?

http://www.gamereactor.es/articulos/18541/Mercury+Steam%3A+entusiastas%2C+no+entendidos/ (http://www.gamereactor.es/articulos/18541/Mercury+Steam%3A+entusiastas%2C+no+entendidos/)

The only thing I got were, Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 and Wii U.
Have a very shitty chrome translation:
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[Interview] Enric Alvarez's talk during IDEAM IV was quite different. There was no talk of small independent games, or financing and distribution models. What was interesting was the history of the study.
How the effort, bats, learning, and why not?, Luck of hitting the nail on more than one occasion took Mercury Steam to the forefront of international development. Dismissal of the riskier bet, playable demo of the classic and technology for simple and terrifying concept that 'sold' his art and projected into the realm of the big producers: the creepy little girl who had modeled Jose Antonio Alcázar.

The session revealing experiences and anecdotes young developers indicated the way forward, but it illustrated how he had managed to live and grow up a Spanish study, with sincerity ahead.

After the conference, Enric was pleased to sit down and have a chat with Gamereactor. Do they have to be graphic displays samples? Is it advisable to stick to big productions today? Will your Castlevania on Wii U? The founder of the study answered with the same ease:

With this idea of "the girl who saved Mercury Steam" subrayáis that a developer has to have something to say to present a project, and what they teach must prove it. Maybe when you did to Jericho , the fashion for 'next-gen graphics' gird you could force the exclusively visual presentation ... imported does not appear that both the ideas of game.

Why not? Okay, so I said at the conference: we had a game idea, of course. But teaching the idea of ​​play, try to explain it, took the hole that we hardly. That does not mean, if someone is understanding that, that graphics matter more than the 'gameplay' at all. Let's say that in dealing with a 'publisher' need to know the time you have to act. Moments are not all equal. Not always have to prove that you have an extraordinary game at gameplay, or extraordinary level of graphics. There are times to teach "something" in fifteen seconds.

A hook?

A hook. Something they can use the next day as trailer. Then, quiet, they will say, "Okay, you've passed the first cut. Now tell me, what do you do with it? What will become?" Hence, if there is one game behind, back to square one. That was the message.

Mercury Steam to expound it also must adapt, and there are some ideas that are coming now, though you have a philosophy. In this IDEAM much cutting material 'retro' style of classic games. It even seems that the big producers are doing the old titles and being distributed by the digital channels. Do you see yourselves making games like this? 2D cortitos, digital distribution ...

We are interested in video games, we like to play them, we like them. We have a style that is given by our personal preferences. That will remain so, because if we had fun doing what we do, we would not. There was never a business plan setting for Mercury Steam. What he had was a group of crazy kids do what they liked. Do not know answer, because it will depend on what we ask for the body, really. It is true that we are not too eager to make games for taking little ones or Facebook, we are particularly interested. How business? Not what we propose.

I have several years of hearing that the big games and big stories will end. Ten years ago that led him hear. And the last thing I read is that sales of securities 'AAA' are rising. That confirms to me something I always tell people: if true, would have stopped doing Hollywood adventure films for many years. To us it's the same, we love the great fantasies, the great stories and characters. Ask games of that court. Tomorrow we will do the simplest thing? Do not know that, like other if we want to.

Right now you are about hundred employees in the study. Do you think the most appropriate project for a company of this caliber can continue to raise this kind of big productions instead of launching small ideas or divided?

I am an enthusiast, not an expert. I do not know what's best entrepreneurs. I know what I like to do, and that's what we do.

In the last IDEAM we saw you was when Nintendo 3DS was about to leave. We told You Did a test 3D Castlevania with some fireflies. Been a while since you continue to see near and Nintendo 3DS, with which they showed you happy. Do you have any idea Mercury Steam and 3D (in or out of this notebook)?

The Sea 3D is interesting. More now, it seems that Sony has released a pair of glasses that are milk and they work very well, so I have understood. Of course, we are completely open to all these innovations. And sorry, but I can only respond with generalities ...

Then you also wonder if Castlevania Wii will be in U. ..

(Laughs). If you want, pregúntalo.

Mercury Steam Does a Wii development kit U?

You know I do not know? (Laughs).

Your first Castlevania: Lords of Shadow . What do not recommend repeating that developing these young developers?

Wow! Seriously, with Castlevania: Lords of Shadow is the first time at Mercury Steam things go as we like. In Scrapland was not because we were riding the company while we were developing the game, with an uncertainty brutal and a team that was forming. With Jericho not entirely comfortable working with Codemasters, and also the technological challenge before us was overwhelming. That is, we had to get a game for three platforms (two of which neither had seen), and we did it in less than two years. And he went: it was miraculous.

This time with Castlevania: Lords of Shadow , has been ... really, when I've asked the question was exploring my mind ... Is that there is nothing! There is something to say, "this does not do try." Obviously, that does not mean that all ideas that we threw the fly were good the first time. We suffered a lot, we've been stuck for time with ideas that came out later, things had to redo or restart from scratch, we have pulled entire levels because we liked and we've remade ... Problems have been many, but they are the normal development. There has been nothing to stop us significantly, nothing with what we said "Gentlemen, we've screwed up."

Then a hypothetical Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 is not a matter of fixing things badly.

Well I do not know when I get to do the second one, I tell you.

I have to ask the other current trends: crowd Funding, Kickstarter, second games free-to-play, which is another model that people such as Virtual Toys is now embracing.

I am delighted. I put ... very happy (laughs) there are all these models, because that meaning are also plenty of opportunities for people who want to start or show what they can do. I find it extremely gratifying that the market is opened in this way. No wonder we knew long ago, is logical and normal. The game is an art in expansion: new things have to happen.

Do you contemplate for Mercury Steam?

We like to do the kind of games we like to do, and this requires a monstrous economic boost. That is the environment in which we move, and will continue to do until things change.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 12, 2012, 03:06:48 PM
I liked SCV4 because of how rugged, intricate, and tight the terrain was and how it contrasted with the lithe maneuverings of Simon, how the graphics created a real sense of Grim™ while still holding a very varied color palette, the bizarre sense of abstractness in details, and the great jazzy tunes.

All of this, especially jazzy tunes.

I still don't get comparing CV4 to LoS. They share whip swinging, two songs, and that's kinda it.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 12, 2012, 03:13:22 PM
It's most likely nothing (again) but there is an Gamereactor interview with Enric Alverez that was posted a couple of days ago but it's in spanish. Can anyone translate plz?

http://www.gamereactor.es/articulos/18541/Mercury+Steam%3A+entusiastas%2C+no+entendidos/ (http://www.gamereactor.es/articulos/18541/Mercury+Steam%3A+entusiastas%2C+no+entendidos/)

The only thing I got were, Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 and Wii U.

they asked him if MS had a WII U dev kit, to which he replied he doesn't know.

though he mentions that they are totally open to new things, like 3D.

So he asks "I guess i cant ask you then if Castlevania will be on the Wii-U..."

*laughs* "ask it if you want."

They asked him if in regards to Lords, there was any advice he could give new developers as far as "don't do this", development advice and shit. He says that LoS is the first time in MercurySteam where things went they way they liked. With Scrapland, they were still forming the company, and with Jericho, they were not able to work fully satisfactory with all the coders (? I think, I might be misinterpreting it,) and had a big technological challenge since they had to release the game for 3 platforms, 2 of which they hadn't seen yet, in less than 2 years.

He says that with Lords, he really couldn't think of anything to say as far as "don't try this", though he elaborates that that doesn't mean that all they ideas they put in forward were good at first. They suffered a lot, they got stuck many times with ideas that went nowhere, things that they had to remake or restart from 0, they tossed entire levels because they didn't like them and had to redo them. There were many problems, but they were the normal development kind, none that halted them significantly, or made them say "Gentlemen, we fucked up".

The interviewer then proposes that a hypothetical Lords 2 then isn't a matter of fixing what's badly done, to which he answers:

"Well I dont know, when I start working on the second part, I'll let you know."
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 12, 2012, 03:57:38 PM
Thanks for the translations, so other than the cut levels there was nothing about LOS2 outside of "hypothetical" questions.

Oh well, 3 more weeks untill we know the truth for sure (man it feels like times going slow as the days approaches).
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: knightmere on May 12, 2012, 04:42:29 PM
I won't buy another generic turd unless its proven to be poop worthy.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 12, 2012, 10:37:03 PM
QUESTION: If MS keeps LoS' gameplay nearly identical, but "re-skins" the LoS universe to have more direct references to the Castlevnaia franchise, will that be enough to convert fans for LoS2?

I'd say no, and that's my fear, that MS thinks that'll be enough of an "update." While artistic cosmetics and semantics irked me in this reboot, the gameplay was still largely stuck in the GoW/DmC vein, causing even more problems in the long-term.

I don't think MS would "re-skin" the game; it doesn't really need to do that as much as just throw more good stuff in there that would fit thematically with Castlevania. There are already some gorgeous environments and enemies that fit the series like a glove; just amping up the creepiness factor in enemies and levels would suit me fine.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 12, 2012, 10:47:45 PM
Thanks for the translations, so other than the cut levels there was nothing about LOS2 outside of "hypothetical" questions.

Oh well, 3 more weeks untill we know the truth for sure (man it feels like times going slow as the days approaches).

Do not think about it to much when you forget about it like I do it will come all the sooner.


The sequel will have a castle and you'll fight monsters. You heard it here first!

Looking foward to it   ;)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 12, 2012, 11:45:54 PM
I won't buy another generic turd unless its proven to be poop worthy.

Umm...... I'm having trouble divulging the meaning of your sentence here.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 12, 2012, 11:46:41 PM
... just amping up the creepiness factor in enemies and levels would suit me fine.
Darkness. Lots of darkness and night. No frozen castles.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 13, 2012, 12:00:05 AM
Yeah, the ice just got in the way of the sexy architecture and statues. And yeah, MS, please, heap shovelfuls of darkness into the next game. As well as anything stylistically similar to the Headless Burrowers, Coffin Creepers, and all manner of creepy/undead/demonic shit.

One other request - however much outside stuff you guys want to do, please make the Castle the climax and ending levels of the game.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: A-Yty on May 13, 2012, 12:13:06 AM
Someone on here once brought up the idea that Gabriel could split into two people. Have the evil side be our Dracula and the good side be our Belmont. I'll be honest I have no love whatsoever for LoS but I could see that idea working.

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Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 13, 2012, 01:23:00 AM
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GENNNNNNIIIIIUUUSSSS!!!
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Gecko on May 13, 2012, 01:57:12 PM
Some people said that LOS "oozes SCV4".

That was me a while back actually. That was an overstatement though, as I later confessed in that same thread.

The whole first half of IV takes place in outdoor areas. There is a swamp, caves, waterfalls, towers (not outdoors I know, but still before the castle) and such. All of these things are present in LoS, and before the castle. In addition to that, there are cool things like the return of whip swinging(why has that not been in many Castlevania games? That still baffles me). In those areas, I feel they share a lot of atmosphere. My opinion though, I guess.

There are plenty of references to other games(I'm not talking about name drops) as well. Some of the whip combos are performed exactly the same way they were in LoI. Vampires look like more detailed versions of the vampires in the N64 games. There is a maze garden, reminiscent of the one in the Villa stage in 64 and LoD as well. If you look at him from the side, Gabriel moves and jumps a lot like Richter's sprite. When running, he looks like he's doing a more applicable version of the Belmont strut(though not when he's walking, sadly)! He's got the Belmont posture when standing still.

The game has zombies, skeletons, armors, bats (only during the Carmilla fight, but they're there. Yes, I wish they were in the levels too.), flying imps, crows(though not as enemies for the most part), wargs, werewolves, swordmaster ghosts(from LoI and CoD), and mandragoras. ALL of those enemies are from past Castlevanias, some in more than others. I probably missed one or two, but I think that should be most of them.

After you kill Carmilla it kind of takes off on its own though, but most of the game is over at that point. Forgotten one was a neat reference to the Forgotten One in LoI, as you had to fight from his feet to his head, in that order. Also, it takes place after you've completed the game.  :P
In this case though, I really feel like it shouldn't have been DLC. The Forgotten One levels were really fun though.


Anyway, some of you now think I'm a raving lunatic, and others may actually agree with me to some extent. I just get a bit fed up with the criticism the game gets, and try to defend my views on it from time to time. Just thought I'd put my... $1.04 in. Way too much text to be 2 cents. Yay videogames.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sumac on May 13, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
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Anyway, some of you now think I'm a raving lunatic, and others may actually agree with me to some extent.
I don't think that you are raving lunatic. So far you was completely normal reasonable person.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 13, 2012, 03:40:19 PM
Can't say I was one of the better ones. I expected "Super Castlevania IV" in 3D, so it's easy to see why I was disappointed after the initial spoilers hit. I ended up buying the game, but I sold my copy not too long after I purchased it.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Gecko on May 13, 2012, 03:55:26 PM
I don't think that you are raving lunatic. So far you was completely normal reasonable person.

Heh, thanks. Well I know people seem to have really strong feelings about this game though, myself included. I personally have a hard time not seeing the similarities to past Castlevania games in LoS. Sure, I know Mercury Steam has taken some liberties to include some "Tolkien-esque" themes and monsters as well, but IMO they hardly dominate the game's design and feel. I think that, for the most part, LoS feels very much like Castlevania.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Maedhros on May 13, 2012, 04:14:46 PM
Well Gabriel is one big Simon shoutout, and they DID originally pitch a CV1 remake. and SC 4 IS the most commonly LOVED versions of CV1. I can see it. mainly the grapple points, which were one of CV4's biggest gimmicks with the whip, and which is surprisingly rare outside of that game.

I guess perhaps some of the ruins and waterfally shit is similar maybe.
The grappling in LoS is too automatic... make it more skill based, as it was in CV IV, then we can start to talk. But I don't think that's possible on 3D games... so they just used what God of War used, a mini-qte to grapple.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: RichterB on May 13, 2012, 04:27:41 PM
The grappling in LoS is too automatic... make it more skill based, as it was in CV IV, then we can start to talk. But I don't think that's possible on 3D games... so they just used what God of War used, a mini-qte to grapple.

The 3D Bionic Commando for PS3/XBOX360 did grapple-swinging extremely dynamically. Most dynamic example out there. It can be done. And honestly, God of War did a better job than LoS in its grappling points, and Rygar for PS2/Wii did them one better. LoS's grapple-swinging was not only too QTE-ish, it was also sort of "jerky" in its animation.

The more time goes by, the more squeamish I am about LoS. I paid full price for it and am not going to be making that money back from it, though, so I decided to keep it. Unless LoS2 is vastly different, I can't buy it at full price, even out of curiosity. Curiosity is what got me last time.

I have to say, I have a hard time finding Castlevania in LoS. Just because it has vampires and/or a castle? So does Van Helsing or Underworld. The Agharta (sp?) Falls may be inspired by SCV-IV, but came off all wrong, IMO. Any of the influences are so vague as to say they could be considered non-influences. I mean, a lot of it is just playing with the fan's head by including old Castlevania names. Rinaldo, Brauner, etc. Take these names out, which are little winks, and it could be anything. I had better luck in the N64 and PS2 3D games than LoS in feeling like it was "Castlevania"--even if CoD was a stretch. When you step back, LoS is not too far from being its own franchise, like Rygar. Rygar's 3D version has a whip-like weapon and grapple-swinging points, too, but I don't equate it with Super Castlevania IV.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 13, 2012, 05:05:54 PM
I wonder if this little shit will become a recurring thing in the new canon.

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I can totally see him trolling every Belmont/whoever comes next in some new ways.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 13, 2012, 05:36:51 PM
I wonder if this little shit will become a recurring thing in the new canon.

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I can totally see him trolling every Belmont/whoever comes next in some new ways.
Hell no, it was universall panned.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 13, 2012, 06:07:25 PM
Oh god you guys just made me realise something:


The Chupacabra never died. Which means there's a high probability that it will show up in the sequel. ???

If anyone from Mercurysteam is viewing this (and I know you are) please for the sake of our sanity, omit this annoying prick from the next game PLEASE!!? Nobody liked him and im pretty damn sure no one will miss him.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 13, 2012, 07:49:37 PM
I have a feeling they'll show up again.

Imagine one of them riding on top of a Medusa Head.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 13, 2012, 09:11:31 PM
I have a feeling they'll show up again.

Imagine one of them riding on top of a Medusa Head.
I'd kill myself

Yo dawg so I heard you like being annoyed so I put and annoying f**k on your flying annoying f**k sou you can get f*****g annoyed while being flying f****ng annoyed
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Maedhros on May 13, 2012, 09:19:08 PM
I have a feeling they'll show up again.

Imagine one of them riding on top of a Medusa Head.
Medusa Heads?

I have some bad news for you...

EDIT: Or good... I think it depends on the perspective.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 13, 2012, 09:41:45 PM
Oh god you guys just made me realise something:


The Chupacabra never died. Which means there's a high probability that it will show up in the sequel. ???

If anyone from Mercurysteam is viewing this (and I know you are) please for the sake of our sanity, omit this annoying prick from the next game PLEASE!!? Nobody liked him and im pretty damn sure no one will miss him.

especially since their only real claim to fame/purpose is being voiced by Hideo Kojima. In the JAPANESE version, not the English one. At least i dont think so.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 13, 2012, 10:07:02 PM
My favorite thing about the Chupacabra was the animation and sound Gabriel makes when he's zapped.

That and his voice is grating but still not as obnoxious as Claudia.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: X on May 13, 2012, 10:21:02 PM
That 'THING' better not show up in LoS2 as it was nothing more then a hindrence in the first game; annoying as s**t. And to top it off it's not even a true Chupacabra.

Now this is what a Chupacabra looks like.

Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 14, 2012, 01:07:15 AM
That 'THING' better not show up in LoS2 as it was nothing more then a hindrence in the first game; annoying as s**t. And to top it off it's not even a true Chupacabra.

Now this is what a Chupacabra looks like.

If cv needed a little guy why not a Tikoloshe or Tokoloshe how ever it is spelt? Again I will say freaky little bastards.


http://www.mythicalcreaturesguide.com/page/Tikoloshe (http://www.mythicalcreaturesguide.com/page/Tikoloshe)

http://tokoloshe.askdefine.com/ (http://tokoloshe.askdefine.com/)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 14, 2012, 01:14:39 AM
ALSO, I hope we don't see David Cox as the PR guy this time around. Or at least, that he don't make promises that he can't maintain (no QTEs, SERIOUSLY? The first fucking fight has that! Based on CV IV? Where?)

See, the thing is, Cox did his job pretty well as I understood it - his job being to make the game look sexy so people will buy it. What really helped was that most people went in not knowing exactly what to expect (myself included), and were hyped at the prospect of a good 3D Castlevania without some awful fundamental flaws.

But there were a few things that severely deflated my hype upon spending the time with the game, that were also juxtaposed by what Cox said in various interviews-

1. The emphasis on an emotional storyline. I'm not trying to say that video games shouldn't be trying to strive for better emotional content, but that LoS was hyped so much for its emotionally powerful story just goes to show how dreadfully bad most video game plots are. The "shocking twists" are only for the sake of being some kind of surprise, sort of the narrative equivalent of a jump scare in a horror game. We are told about all of these emotional scars Gabriel has, but he doesn't show it at all save for a few scenes. The narrator keeps repeating himself over and over about how tragic the whole scenario is and how grimdark and grimspooky Gabriel's opponents are, etc etc. Every character exists only as a vehicle to give power ups or some shit to Gabriel. And for all the complaints Cox had about comparisons to God of War, they steal THE EXACT SAME PLOT TWIST from that game's story (Gabriel and Kratos are both "tricked" into killing their significant others). The trailers had so, so many bait-and-switch moments (da FUCK do you mean, Jason Isaacs doesn't actually play Dracula? Where's Slogra? Where's that rendition of the CV4 intro music?). The plot's not only barely beyond any of IGA's in terms of emotional content, but it's also a little insulting that it was assumed I'd find it "powerfully emotional". (All this being said, I tend not to enjoy Castlevania games for their stories anyway.)

2. The music. Well, there's an orchestra. That's pretty cool. What? No pipe organ? No harpsichord? Awwwwwww.... ...But in all seriousness, the enjoyment of music is pretty subjective so I'm not gonna go into the usual rants that occur about the game's music. My own expectations kind of did me in here (as with the story arguably); I was hoping the music would convey... I dunno, a sense of mystery and foreboding, especially when Cox kept mentioning CV4. What we got... wasn't necessarily bad, but was sort of one-dimensional in what it wanted to express. You got your "sad exploration :'(" music and your "determined battle >:(" music. There just isn't a lot of variety to it. (EDIT: Now that I think about it, nothing Cox said about music was really contradicted, so, uh, I'm not sure how much this paragraph relates to anything else.)

3. QTEs. In Cox's defense, he NEVER said that the game would not contain QTEs. He said that the QTEs would be different from the run of the mill kind (I assume he referred to the circle-matching ones here), and that he personally can't stand QTEs. However, not only does the game have plenty of the normal "Simon says" QTEs, but Cox later said in an interview that he was proud of making a QTE-less combat system... which it most certainly isn't. Now, I'll grant that the combat is pretty well executed and fun, but I can't help but think there's some better way to dismantle an enemy than a QTE; for example, having to actually kill a werewolf with a silver dagger, or a vampire only dying by a stake weapon, or one of those wraiths being immune to all except light damage... there was some creativity in how you had to approach some of the monsters, but it needed more.

4. Titans. Actually, Cox didn't really say anything one way or the other about these that I know of, outside of "It's like SotC!" To me they were the 3D equivalent of those giant multi-segmented enemies in the GBA games - nice looking tech demos for what the engine can do, but pretty sucky and boring as a boss fight. However, IGA's team improved these segmented guys a heck of a lot in the later games, and hopefully MS will do so as well as making them look a little more fitting for a Castlevania. (EDIT: To give MS some more credit, at least you don't have to whip at these guys' ankles forever.)

I think by far the most truthful of Cox's statements about the game was to "keep an open mind". It's enjoyable in a kitschy "Castlevania: the Official Game of the Movie" sort of way, and I'm curious to see what's done with the next one.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 14, 2012, 01:39:38 AM
It is late,but heck I will put this here anyway

http://www.complex.com/video-games/2012/05/kojima-productions-has-big-things-in-store-for-e3 (http://www.complex.com/video-games/2012/05/kojima-productions-has-big-things-in-store-for-e3)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: The Silverlord on May 14, 2012, 02:07:00 AM
Agree with much of that Munchy.

Cox put himself out there, he must have been exhausted with all those interviews and keeping his twitter feed going, but he really wanted the game to succeed.  He practically did all the marketing himself (feels like that anyway).

I have faith in Mercurysteam.  They’re not a bad outfit, you’ve got to start somewhere, learn and strive for the best you can.

Can’t wait for an E3 announcement and hopefully an extended trailer!
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Chernabogue on May 14, 2012, 02:25:01 AM
With the success of LoS, I'm really hoping that Konami gave more money for the production of the sequel and that more artists and people will work to make it better than the first game (and a bit more CV-ish).
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: TreasuryRoom1984 on May 14, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
I think it's pretty well set in stone now - http://www.computerandvideogames.com/347522/cvgs-e3-2012-awards-voting-now-open/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/347522/cvgs-e3-2012-awards-voting-now-open/)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Chernabogue on May 14, 2012, 10:09:22 AM
I hope they won't call it "LoS 2". The Lords are all dead (apparently, you know what I mean).

You know what? If they focus on Gabriel on this one, let's call it "Lord of Shadows".  ;D

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I think it's pretty well set in stone now - http://www.computerandvideogames.com/347522/cvgs-e3-2012-awards-voting-now-open/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/347522/cvgs-e3-2012-awards-voting-now-open/)
Yeah, but:
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Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 14, 2012, 11:36:35 AM
It will probably have a different subtitle, LoS 2 just sounds dumb. I figured it was just a placeholder name for the sequel as of now.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 14, 2012, 12:16:57 PM
Considering the games that followed Symphony of the Night weren't called SotN2, I'm pretty sure the LoS sequel's going to have a new subtitle.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: A-Yty on May 14, 2012, 12:23:37 PM
Castlevania - Not Akumajou Dracula 2: Electric Boogaloo
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: shelverton. on May 14, 2012, 12:49:25 PM
What if it's called "Castlevania II"? Konami probably wants people to understand that it's a sequel to the first game, given how much it sold (for a CV, that is).

Btw, a while ago I dreamt about something (film or game, don't really know) called "Testament of Sin". It had a teaser site which looked exactly like that old Lords of Shadow site, before it was revealed to be Castlevania. But then the site turned into a Tetris like game with water that slowly filled the screen. And then there was something about penguins and Titanic. But yeah, for a second it definitely was the sequel to LoS, albeit the exact same game.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 14, 2012, 02:49:16 PM
+1 to munchy for a pretty fair review IMO.

I can see where some people come from when they are disappointed by LoS, since the trailers really used a bit of trickery to make it seem like there would be a Dracula fight. (though TBH, it WAS a wasted opportunity to NOT use Jason Isaacs as Dracula- I mean, come on, how awesome would that have been?)

The music I agree, is pretty subjective. Either you like it or you dont. I liked it, but what bothers me most is that they are mood pieces, and not unique ones either. what I mean is, they are reused for their respective spots in the game to represent a certain tone. Would have been better if there was just MORE music in general, even if they were also mood pieces. Just more.

As far as Titans go, I cant deny- as boring as they were, they at least looked pretty epic, and thats really all they were there for, to show these massively large scale boss fights. The Second Titan especially is an epic boss fight, what with the perspective and lighting, and really just the scale of the Titan, and how it had those objects floating all around it.

The Dracolitch now, on the other hand, was pretty interesting as far as titan fights go. It's probably my favorite, and a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that it just plays very much differently from the previous two- it's not just all shimmying and ledge jumping, but you do walk along it's bones and such, and it will later on go vertically and shit, it was pretty interesting, and come on- it's a giant fucking zombie dragon. What's not to like?

It WAS a pity that the Necromancer wasnt Death's design, but the way i see it, both the Necromancer AND the Dracolitch were both supposed to be homages to the classic Death and his secondary transformations.

we also never saw what Zobek looks like UNDER the Devil Mask, since it isnt actually part of his outfit, but granted to him presumably by Satan. He might have a skull face under there for all we know. (if the God Mask holds the power of God, then it only stands to reason that the Devil Mask contains power and knowledge from hell)

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Testament of Sin
sounds like a Castlevania name alright.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 14, 2012, 03:51:53 PM
castlevania: shrine of the apostates

castlevania: the last stand (third game)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 14, 2012, 04:43:38 PM
Castlevania: shrine of the apostates
This one is actually perfect
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 14, 2012, 04:58:52 PM
Knowing you sappy I am with subtitles, I would name the sequel "Castlevania: Dragon Rises" or something.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 14, 2012, 05:10:13 PM
Dragon Rising maybe?

or Rise of the Dragon? (RotD)

Yeah, depending on how the story goes for the sequel, having Dragon in the title would be cool.

I mean its only one game so far, but MS Castlevania seems to be straight to the point with it's sub titles, whereas previous sub titles were a bit more fanciful. Pretty much since Rondo introduced the musical sub title trend to the series.


EDIT: Oh Oh, I know I know!:

Castlevania:
'Dracula's In It This Time, We Promise'
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 14, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
Castlevania:
'Dracula's In It This Time, We Promise'

I second this one.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 14, 2012, 05:29:01 PM
"Now with exclusive Medusa Heads not seen in Lords of Shadow"

I don't feel like double posting but I hope this song makes it into the sequel in some way.

Room of Close Associates: Super Castlevania 4 Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYm6N5aM2wI#)

Imagine if we finally get to fight Slogra this time too, man the teasers/trailers for LoS were gigantic trolls.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sindra on May 14, 2012, 07:38:04 PM
Hey Munchy....

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsindra.brinkster.net%2Fmisc%2Fexpression_meme%2Fcitizen_kane_clapping.gif&hash=72e8f555f72d1e94b397e6b9a8e1f5ba)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 14, 2012, 09:44:18 PM
I mean its only one game so far, but MS Castlevania seems to be straight to the point with it's sub titles, whereas previous sub titles were a bit more fanciful. Pretty much since Rondo introduced the musical sub title trend to the series.
LOL, "Castlevania: Requiem of the Dragon".
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: X on May 14, 2012, 10:07:58 PM
If Konami is so obsessed with musical titles now why not this?

Castlevania: Dragula.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: xscientist5000 on May 14, 2012, 10:13:52 PM
What I want:
A big ship this time, like in LOD or Rondo of Blood.
Mermen jumping on that ship.
RPG style equip-able items for defense.
Worn items can actually be seen on the character.
Survival horror elements.
Weird events/discoveries that aren't explained/keep you guessing.
Stiffer jumping controls.
A short sword secondary weapon.
More variety of subweapons, and make them upgradable.
Item Crashes.
A character that dies when he gets stabbed through the torso.
Some future boss appearing mid game just to taunt you.
Full 3D, like CV64 or Super Mario 64.
Merge levels together again similar to COD.
Breakable walls, edible meat.
Status changes and cure items.
(As you can tell I like CV64)


What I don't want:
QTEs.
Button mashing.
Weak and light whip that hardly phases enemies.
Exploration and camera angles on rails.
Pure cinema mood music.
Fairies as subweapons.
Enemies that give monologues at the end.


I would like it to be about how the vampire killer whip is formed again. Maybe from the chain of the combat cross, given to the protagonist by the church, and we find out more about it as the game progresses. I wouldn't want it to be upgradeable damage wise, but maybe use the powerup system again.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 14, 2012, 10:23:25 PM
castlevania: this time for real (PS3/X360)
release date Fall 2013
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: X on May 14, 2012, 10:23:59 PM
I like your list vkiller86. That seems to me the best way to make a 3D CV game. however all pieces of the combat cross were left in the domain of the Forgotten One so there's no way the church or anyone else for that matter, can ever get their hands on it. And personally to me, the combat cross is weak as hell when you compare it to the Vampire Killer.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: RichterB on May 14, 2012, 11:27:51 PM
VKiller86 has got a lot I can agree with there; it's similar to stuff I've been saying. I won't even get into aesthetic choices. I'm just going to comment on the bread-and-butter fundamentals: The biggest starting point, which generally seems to be a "bad thing to say" in the industry and fandom is this:

Full 3D, like CV64 or Super Mario 64.

Yes, please. The on-rails, always fixed camera style just limits Castlevania's potential for level design and player immersion, IMO, and also makes for a less distinctive game in the marketplace.

Stiffer jumping controls.

This is also a fundamental necessity. You need tight jumping controls (basically like CV64 or Mario 64) to engender consequential platforming. Castlevania is action-platforming at its roots, and you can't have platforming with awkward, jerky, or floaty jumps. LoS' current jumping animation/feedback feels ungainly.

What I don't want:
Weak and light whip that hardly phases enemies.

The button-mashing to whip an enemy a gazillion times needs to stop. Worse, this combo-mongering affects the idea of action-platforming, as it not only slows the pace, but the LoS whip animation drives the character forward. No way that will work for tight platforming while countering incoming enemies and obstacles (IE: Medusa heads, etc). You'd fall to your doom before you could even get started. And another benefit of losing the combo-mongering would be better usage of sub-weapons.

Like vKiller86, I'm a fan of the N64 titles. I'm not saying they're "perfect," but they laid considerably better groundwork than any 3D Castlevania since (in both what they accomplished and what was left out in the planning stages due to time constraints). My final note on this: As rough around the edges as it is, Level 2 of CV64 highlights all the necessarily design elements of level design and gameplay controls in executing a dynamic full-3D action-platforming experience. And then, Level 3 highlights what true Full 3D exploration feels like, which is the opposite of the "on-rails" concern vKiller86 notes.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 15, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
+1 to munchy for a pretty fair review IMO.
...
It WAS a pity that the Necromancer wasnt Death's design, but the way i see it, both the Necromancer AND the Dracolitch were both supposed to be homages to the classic Death and his secondary transformations.

Oops, I actually didn't realize that it sort of turned into a review. Thanks though!

I thought that the Necromancer would be Death, but the way I see it actually he's more or less like the Necromancer bosses in SNES Dracula X/CotM, and also sort of similar to Ghost Shaft in RoB. He's got a similar robe, he summons up zombies, and... uh... I forget what else he does. It's kind of a shame he didn't have a more prominent place in the game, because his voice actor was fucking AWESOME.

Hey Munchy....

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsindra.brinkster.net%2Fmisc%2Fexpression_meme%2Fcitizen_kane_clapping.gif&hash=72e8f555f72d1e94b397e6b9a8e1f5ba)

Thanks! I've rarely gotten so much praise for stuff assembled under the influence at 2 AM.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: shelverton. on May 15, 2012, 06:40:29 AM
Konami abandoned the musical subtitles yeeeeaaaars ago. And it was only used in, what, 5-6 games spread across 20 years? Rondo, Symphony, Dissonance, Aria and Lament. (Oh, and Encore, I guess). After that we've had Curse, Dawn, Portrait, Order, Judgment, Rebirth, Lords... no music whatsoever. I doubt we'll ever see it return.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Rugal on May 15, 2012, 07:45:21 AM
If this game doesn't have a Death boss fight, I'm rioting.
If we don't get to see Slogra (LOLOLOLOLO GONNA TEASE A FUCKING STATUE PRE-RELEASE), I'm rioting.
If I see one fucking J.R. Tolkien lore enemy, I'm rioting.
If I hear generic Hollywood style music, I'm rioting.

I don't have any hopes, though. The game is going to probably suck.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 15, 2012, 12:51:50 PM
If this game doesn't have a Death boss fight, I'm rioting.
If we don't get to see Slogra (LOLOLOLOLO GONNA TEASE A FUCKING STATUE PRE-RELEASE), I'm rioting.
If I see one fucking J.R. Tolkien lore enemy, I'm rioting.
If I hear generic Hollywood style music, I'm rioting.

I don't have any hopes, though. The game is going to probably suck.
I'd love Slogra to appear. Showing his design on Twitter was a cocktease, because the design looked SO good(and so true to the original), but it was nothing but a statue. I wanted to FIGHT that guy!!!

And yeah, they can do without the mess load of typical dark fantasy monsters. There's really no reason goblins should be included in a CV game. No reason whatsoever. I would've actually preferred more ethnic Slavic/Romanian/Eastern European monsters. Strigoi and stuff. Though, considering, maybe with the reboot they shifted location of where Castlevania took place. Original canon, it was clearly Romania(the focal point). Maybe new CV takes place in the British Isles(which would make the Gaelic/Celtic monsters make a little more sense(as well as the Tolkien-style fantasy). Also, LOL, it would also account for why their accents sound as such. Besides, there ARE quite a a number of castles in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

As for music, I've never been against Hollywood style music, when it is used RIGHT. IMO, there's a place for everything in the world, and the place has to do with location and timing. Hoolywood style, epic scores, IMO, are better suited cutscenes to amplify the emotion of those cutscenes. A sweeping orchestral score is, IMO, the best way to musically get character drama across. That being said, in the heat of battle and exploration, it doesn't work for me. I'd much rather have something less Hollywood/cinematic, something more game-like.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: shelverton. on May 15, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
Music-wise, I wish there was some kind of happy medium. I want melodies that sound like Castlevania and then turned into orchestral pieces. I don't expect the super catchy soundtracks of the past, but I want more than just hollywood mood pieces. Surely there's a middle-ground here? Again, I think Shadow of the Colossus was GREAT in this regard. Also, I loved this particular boss tracks from Dark Souls. Can't remember the name right now.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 01:13:34 PM
I'm not expecting the music to change at all. We might get more throw backs to classic tunes but that's it, it won't sound much different. I just hope they don't recycle the same songs over and over again throughout the game, I heard the same theme in LoS like 15 times.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 15, 2012, 01:19:55 PM
I don't know about you guys but do you get the feeling that........Lords of Shadow 2 is not gonna be announced at E3, or any Castlevania game for that matter?

I dunno maybe it's just me, maybe I should just NOT expect it to be there so that I can be somewhat surprised.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 01:23:08 PM
I don't know about you guys but do you get the feeling that........Lords of Shadow 2 is not gonna be announced at E3, or any Castlevania game for that matter?

I dunno maybe it's just me, maybe I should just NOT expect it to be there so that I can be somewhat surprised.
It will be there. They dropped a bunch of hints on twitter and Kojima Productions is promising "big things." It's probably a safe bet the game will be labeled under KP again just to guarantee it will sell, like LoS.

Plus I've heard a bunch of rumors myself about there being a bigger presence of Castlevania at the Konami booth this year, but, pre E3 rumors always sound more juicy than they really are.

It's not unreasonable to assume LoS 2 will be there going by everything we've heard recently.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 15, 2012, 01:28:11 PM
It will be there. They dropped a bunch of hints on twitter and Kojima Productions is promising "big things." It's probably a safe bet the game will be labeled under KP again just to guarantee it will sell, like LoS.

Plus I've heard a bunch of rumors myself about there being a bigger presence of Castlevania at the Konami booth this year, but, pre E3 rumors always sound more juicy than they really are.

It's not unreasonable to assume LoS 2 will be there going by everything we've heard recently.

That's what I wanna believe, the rumors going around Castlevania and LOS2 got me hyped to see what's up but I don't wanna be let down it it's not there.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: RichterB on May 15, 2012, 01:29:02 PM
It will be there. They dropped a bunch of hints on twitter and Kojima Productions is promising "big things." It's probably a safe bet the game will be labeled under KP again just to guarantee it will sell, like LoS.

Plus I've heard a bunch of rumors myself about there being a bigger presence of Castlevania at the Konami booth this year, but, pre E3 rumors always sound more juicy than they really are.

It's not unreasonable to assume LoS 2 will be there going by everything we've heard recently.

Yes, but let's not forget that two new Contra games by Konami have been teased for about a year or so, and neither have shown up yet. One was slated for 3DS before the system launched, and the next-gen version for PS3/XBOX360 was teased in logo-form at E3 last year. They're due to be shown for real, and they might be one of the "big things" from Konami. Still, I imagine there will be a LoS2 trailer. Speaking of which, didn't the music go into production before the game? If so, there should be a lot of new tunes, regardless of style.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 01:30:52 PM
I have a feeling Contra was canned, I haven't heard anything about it and I keep forgetting it exists. I would love to see Contra 3DS be a thing though.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 15, 2012, 01:34:34 PM
I'd be way WAY more excited if they announced a 3DS/Vita game, produced by IGA with artwork from Kojima/Masaki & music from Yamane/Koshiro. Like the good 'ol days. Not to say I'm not looking forward to LoS-2, though.


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Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: RichterB on May 15, 2012, 01:38:23 PM
I'd be way WAY more excited if they announced a 3DS/Vita game, produced by IGA with artwork from Kojima/Masaki & music from Yamane/Koshiro. Like the good 'ol days. Not to say I'm not looking forward to LoS-2, though.

Like this post if you agree.

Depends on the design, I guess. But wouldn't it be Mercury Steam doing a new 2-D one? There was rumors they might take over that area a while ago, I thought. By the way, if there is more than one Castlevania announcement, could it be the long talked about but ambiguous "CASTLEVANIA COLLECTION"? (once supposedly slated for Wii and PSP).
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 01:44:45 PM
Depends on the design, I guess. But wouldn't it be Mercury Steam doing a new 2-D one?
2D, 3D models, Metroidvania with no leveling up, and it would all be a weird fusion of your standard levels with Metroidvania design. I guess something like Order of Ecclesia. The combat would be similar to LoS though. That's what I've heard/been told.

Rumored Protagonist:
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Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 15, 2012, 01:47:38 PM
Mercury Steam making a 2D game? ugh please no. that'd be a fucking trainwreck. let them stick with the epic 3D titles they're good at. (unless they use similar animations like they did with the Gabriel .gifs, but that'd be a pain in the ass to actually animate & I doubt they'd do that)

The Japan division however should handle it like they always have, perhaps a metroidvania for the 3DS & classic style for the Vita, or both styles integrated into 1 game someway somehow. it can be done, search your feelings, you know it to be true. everyone's happy


edit: that's like asking hip-hop artist 50 Cent to do a country song
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 01:58:06 PM
Mercury Steam making a 2D game? ugh please no. that'd be a fucking trainwreck.
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, Mercury Steam has never really dabbled with 2D before. For all we know, it could be outsourced to someone else but with MS's art direction in mind.

It would be crazy if we got two Castlevania games announced at E3, Mercury Steam 3DS and LoS2.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 15, 2012, 01:58:56 PM
Mercury Steam making a 2D game? ugh please no. that'd be a fucking trainwreck. let them stick with the epic 3D titles they're good at. (unless they use similar animations like they did with the Gabriel .gifs, but that'd be a pain in the ass to actually animate & I doubt they'd do that)

The Japan division however should handle it like they always have, perhaps a metroidvania for the 3DS & classic style for the Vita, or both styles integrated into 1 game someway somehow. it can be done, search your feelings, you know it to be true. everyone's happy

Konami has there in house Castlevania team locked up in the basement awaiting to join Team Silent in Valhalla. So even if Mercurysteam doesn't do the 3DS game, they'll just give it to some other western developer *fingers crossed for Wayforward.*
2D, 3D models, Metroidvania with no leveling up, and it would all be a weird fusion of your standard levels with Metroidvania design. I guess something like Order of Ecclesia. The combat would be similar to LoS though. That's what I've heard/been told.

Rumored Protagonist:
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Really!? This is the first I've heard of that. :o

Interesting so that means the rumor about it being set
(click to show/hide)
could be true.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 15, 2012, 02:02:12 PM
Actually Kingshangy WayForward could do a good job too, +1 for you sir


@OSM aka Oswaldo,

where the hell did you hear that? sounds like BS to me no offense

i remember the "Complete Chronicles" rumor someone farted out, and some people took it & ran with it. dont people ever learn  :(
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
Interesting so that means the rumor about it being set
(click to show/hide)
could be true.
I've heard more, but I don't want to spoil anything else if these rumors are true. PM me if you're curious/don't care about being spoiled.
where the hell did you hear that? sounds like BS to me no offense
A very dumb image board full of anonymous posters.

I'm still very skeptical about it all, but the source has been in contact with me for the past couple of months and he's been very consistent with everything he's told me.

Wayforward making a new Castlevania would be amazing, I want them to make Castlevania VI. (V is technically Rondo)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 15, 2012, 02:13:31 PM
i'm still waiting for Haunted Castle 2, CV Adventure 3, Kid Dracula HD Remix, and ReBirth 2 o.o;
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: shelverton. on May 15, 2012, 02:13:38 PM
I definitely think the time is right to announce a 3DS Vania, alongside the LoS sequel for PS3/360. I don't care who makes the game but WayForward would be sweet.

The "Complete Chronicles"would make perfect sense if it wasn't for the fact that Konami is handling the series. Also, there's no way a Castlevania Collection would ever be a complete one. And I really want it to be complete, not just four or five NES/SNES/Genesis roms thrown together on a disc. I think a Castlevania Collection would've been more likely a few years ago. But that didn't happen. Konami is probably more interested in releasing these games separately, over and over, for download services. It's the more profitable thing to do.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 15, 2012, 02:14:39 PM
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, Mercury Steam has never really dabbled with 2D before. For all we know, it could be outsourced to someone else but with MS's art direction in mind.

It would be crazy if we got two Castlevania games announced at E3, Mercury Steam 3DS and LoS2.
It would be AWESOME if they announced two games at E3. It would be be like Konami saying, "Yeah, sorry, we fucked up the big anniversary thing. Here's two games for you guys!!!".

Interesting so that means the rumor about it being set
(click to show/hide)
could be true.

Would be cool if it WAS true. Though, I still would like a MS CV set in, well, anytime but the medieval era. More so if it was set in the 18th-19th century(maybe even early 20th). Get away from that era of knights and stuff, and get into a different setting. I can only stand so much of it. I'd like to see MS tackle the men in tweed suits, top hats, women in Victorian dresses, cobblestone streets lit by old street lamps, Jack the Ripper and such. No more mystical magical forests with faeries. I mean, pimp-ass Gabula, in a black suit and cloak, dressed to kill, sucking the necks of buxom Victorian babes... holy shit!
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 15, 2012, 02:17:18 PM
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No more mystical magical forests with faeries. I mean, pimp-ass Gabula, in a black suit and cloak, dressed to kill, sucking the necks of buxom Victorian babes... holy shit!

+1 for you sir
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 02:18:28 PM
I mean, pimp-ass Gabula, in a black suit and cloak, dressed to kill, sucking the necks of buxom Victorian babes... holy shit!
I'm expecting Gabula to just be an angrier Gabriel in his armor, white hair, vampiric eyes, and have some kind of long flowing cape.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Foffy on May 15, 2012, 03:52:03 PM
I've heard more, but I don't want to spoil anything else if these rumors are true. PM me if you're curious/don't care about being spoiled.A very dumb image board full of anonymous posters.

I'm still very skeptical about it all, but the source has been in contact with me for the past couple of months and he's been very consistent with everything he's told me.

Wayforward making a new Castlevania would be amazing, I want them to make Castlevania VI. (V is technically Rondo)

Care to elaborate on the consistency? Because for the franchise, there really hasn't been much to report on since the release of Lords and Mercury's own droplets about future games.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: X on May 15, 2012, 05:28:44 PM
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I'd be way WAY more excited if they announced a 3DS/Vita game, produced by IGA with artwork from Kojima/Masaki & music from Yamane/Koshiro. Like the good 'ol days. Not to say I'm not looking forward to LoS-2, though.


Like this post if you agree.

Only as long as there are no more pretty boys, and that IGA can fully deliver on a story that's at least passable. But ONLY if the story comes first and then the game is built around it. I'd like to see him take up that challenge at least once in his career.

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No more mystical magical forests with faeries. I mean, pimp-ass Gabula, in a black suit and cloak, dressed to kill, sucking the necks of buxom Victorian babes... holy shit!

 :o
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kamirine on May 15, 2012, 06:25:00 PM
I'd be way WAY more excited if they announced a 3DS/Vita game, produced by IGA with artwork from Kojima/Masaki & music from Yamane/Koshiro. Like the good 'ol days. Not to say I'm not looking forward to LoS-2, though.


Like this post if you agree.

I have to admit, though I wouldn't need it to be a IGA title (I'm loving the thought of Wayforward getting the reigns) I really do think we are overdue for a handheld title and will say now that (unless it looked completely underwhelming) I would be WAY more excited for a 3DS or Vita game, preferable 2D.

To be frank, I'm not all that excited about LOS2. :/  LOS felt too 'Lord of the Rings' esque for me most of the time, among other things. Not a bad game, but not a good CV game.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 15, 2012, 06:26:14 PM
I'll only be excited for an IGA game if it's a Draculas Curse remake

And as for LoS sequel, ive been wondering lately if we'll still be playing as Gabriel, but not Dracula Gabriel. I know it's been discussed here before, but I still wonder if Gabriel's spirit accessended to heaven and the gabriel in the Satan fight and DLC is his shadow self. Maybe we'll be playing as Saintly Gabriel against Dracula Gabriel?
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kamirine on May 15, 2012, 06:35:18 PM
I'll only be excited for an IGA game if it's a Draculas Curse remake

And as for LoS sequel, ive been wondering lately if we'll still be playing as Gabriel, but not Dracula Gabriel. I know it's been discussed here before, but I still wonder if Gabriel's spirit accessended to heaven and the gabriel in the Satan fight and DLC is his shadow self. Maybe we'll be playing as Saintly Gabriel against Dracula Gabriel?

An HD Dracula's Curse remake wouldn't be bad honestly. (Though I'm biased to it, as it's my favorite game in the series. XD)

I'll be honest, I've thought about this one myself. I assumed that his soul hadn't exactly ascended yet (due to the ending where he's confronted by Zobak) or if it did, perhaps not completely: like it's been corrupted due to the events in LoS and he's stuck, living forever, feeding of the life-force/blood of others. And existence I'm sure Gabe has come to loath.  Though didn't someone say that a good way for it to go with Gabe would be separating his soul and thus creating two separate beings? Where the good half would produce the Belmonts who relentlessly hunt the evil half of Gabe (aka Drac)?
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 06:45:39 PM
I really wish there was an explanation as to what Gabe did to Satan in that last scene. It's the same ritual the Brotherhood performed when they ascended into heaven, but Gabe seems to have kept himself intact.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 15, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
From what I remember, it was either Cox or Alverez that said that Gabriel used the power of the souls that brought him back and made him uber to banish Satan and destroy the seal that Zobek placed at the same time.

Although this should have been more clearer in the game instead of having the player guessing on what just happened.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kamirine on May 15, 2012, 07:41:11 PM
From what I remember, it was either Cox or Alverez that said that Gabriel used the power of the souls that brought him back and made him uber to banish Satan and destroy the seal that Zobek placed at the same time.

Although this should have been more clearer in the game instead of having the player guessing on what just happened.

...Man the story of LoS is way, WAY too similar to the one in the Dante Inferno's game. This was another reason I wasn't a fan of LoS.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 07:44:54 PM
More originality/Castlevania in the sequel would be nice.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 15, 2012, 08:07:01 PM
...Man the story of LoS is way, WAY too similar to the one in the Dante Inferno's game. This was another reason I wasn't a fan of LoS.
It's a shame that Dante's Inferno began production 1 whole year after LoS.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kamirine on May 15, 2012, 08:13:20 PM
More originality/Castlevania in the sequel would be nice.

Agreed. LoS has a lot of potential and I want to see it realized with LoS2.

It's a shame that Dante's Inferno began production 1 whole year after LoS.

Yet released months before LoS did, thus showing the same story first and making LoS look like it had ripped said story off.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kamirine on May 15, 2012, 08:18:32 PM
Sorry, mis-posted.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 15, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
Agreed. LoS has a lot of potential and I want to see it realized with LoS2.

Yet released months before LoS did, thus showing the same story first and making LoS look like it had ripped said story off.
I dunno, in DI's your girl dies, Satan comes for her, she goes to hell, you get to hell, destroy the guardians of the 9 circles of hell, then Satan seduces the girl, then she becomes evil, then you find out you're dead, then you fight satan, then you get the girl, then live happily ever after.

I don't see the similarities to be honest :P

Edit: Other than Satan (Who is not even remotely similar, he's a little more handsome in LoS :P ) and the dead girl as plot device of course
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 08:34:17 PM
The actual Commedia was more entertaining than the video game.

Another stupid post by me but
Super Castlevania IV OST: Stage 6 Entrance Hall (6-1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ver18ZHcH3k#)
Jesus some of IV's music doesn't even need to reorchestrated, it's already perfect. I'd jizz if I heard this in LoS2.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: A-Yty on May 15, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
...Man the story of LoS is way, WAY too similar to the one in the Dante Inferno's game. This was another reason I wasn't a fan of LoS.

Don't forget Van Helsing.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 15, 2012, 10:47:00 PM
I dont recall Van Hellsing's story being similar to LoS, other than the protagonist being named Gabriel.

Van Hellsing as I recall was developed from what was going to be a Castlevania movie wasnt it?

Which would explain a bit. Youve even got the token "Family who has sworn to kill Dracula and are cursed to try and do so or they will never enter heaven". Which IMO, makes for an interesting idea.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Chernabogue on May 15, 2012, 11:24:20 PM
As long as the story is interesting, the music is cool and the whole thing feels a bit more CV-ish, I'm sold.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: A-Yty on May 15, 2012, 11:31:48 PM
I don't think there was ever anything official about Van Helsing starting out as a CV movie.

Anyway, they have similarities. More than a few. I'm probably beating a dead horse, but just for reminding:

- Both protagonists are called Gabriel
- Both have gaps in their memories

- There might be a deeper reason The Brotherhood of Light named him Gabriel. Van Helsing is confirmed as the archangel Gabriel.

- Both were raised/taken care by the "holy" order they fight for.
- The "batty" vampires look a lot similar.
- A spell is keeping people from entering heaven in both stories.

- The icy, barren vampire castles, the village and the mountain landscape. Just compare them to each other. Yeah, similar genres and all, but coupled with the other similarities, it's unlikely to be a coincidence.

- Love interest enters afterlife in the conclusion.

There's probably more, but I'll stop here.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2012, 11:37:51 PM
- There might be a deeper reason The Brotherhood of Light named him Gabriel. Van Helsing is confirmed as the archangel Gabriel.
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The order gave the nameless boy the Christian name of one of the blessed archangels, Gabriel and raised him as one of its own members. The precocious child quickly proved to be extremely talented, developing a mastery of the fighting arts unprecedented in the Brotherhood. However, he was also prone to dark moods and moments of brooding that only his beloved childhood sweetheart, Marie, could pacify.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 16, 2012, 02:54:51 AM
I'd be way WAY more excited if they announced a 3DS/Vita game, produced by IGA with artwork from Kojima/Masaki & music from Yamane/Koshiro. Like the good 'ol days. Not to say I'm not looking forward to LoS-2, though.


Like this post if you agree.

I'm cool with all this, but they should do something different or more ambitious with the Metroidvania format.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 16, 2012, 05:24:11 AM
I would be very sad if Mercury Steam would take over the 2d games as well. I don't mind if their games coexist with other Castlevania games as long as I can have my fun too.

 :(
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 16, 2012, 08:35:53 AM

- Both protagonists are called Gabriel
a Name is a name, and when you deal with satan and similar things, it seems to be a popular trope to name the protagonist Gabriel or another angel name.

In Van helsing, Gabriel IS THE Gabriel. in loS, he was raised by a holy order and thus named after the archangel.

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- Both have gaps in their memories
quite different however. Van Helsing has a memory gap that has forgotten him his entire past. he just works for the church and thats that, he doesnt remember anything else. Gabriel only has small memory lapses where he was mind controlled by a demonic mask held by a Necromancer into killing two people.

Also, Julius Belmont had lost memory too. And he had the Van Helsing kind. Where he didnt remember ANYTHING of his past.

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- The "batty" vampires look a lot similar.
granted, though I think it's more due to making them look more realistic(?) and demonic/monster looking. Sort of yknow, breaking the romanticism behind vampires and saying "yeah, these are some scary ass motherfuckers."

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- A spell is keeping people from entering heaven in both stories.
entirely different.
One is a worldwide spell cast by an evil necromancer, the other is a curse confined to a single family's bloodline, and the causes and reasons MUCH different.

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- The icy, barren vampire castles, the village and the mountain landscape. Just compare them to each other. Yeah, similar genres and all, but coupled with the other similarities, it's unlikely to be a coincidence.
Im inclined to consider it quite the coincidence. Dracula castles and shit are usually placed in icy, cold mountain regions in media. It looks cooler. Also, the castles look nothing alike. mainly, the LoS castle looks like more of a castle.
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- Love interest enters afterlife in the conclusion.
in LoS the love interest was already dead at the start of the game.
in van helsing, she dies at the end of the movie, after Dracula was defeated. (and thus the stipulations for breaking the curse were met)

honestly, these are really superficial comparisons IMO.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Gecko on May 16, 2012, 10:24:06 AM
I'd be way WAY more excited if they announced a 3DS/Vita game, produced by IGA with artwork from Kojima/Masaki & music from Yamane/Koshiro. Like the good 'ol days. Not to say I'm not looking forward to LoS-2, though.


Like this post if you agree.

Sounds boring. I want something new to play, not SotN reskinned again. That style got pretty stale after a while, with the exception of OoE IMO.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 16, 2012, 10:53:54 AM
granted, though I think it's more due to making them look more realistic(?) and demonic/monster looking. Sort of yknow, breaking the romanticism behind vampires and saying "yeah, these are some scary ass motherfuckers."
entirely different.
I don't know. They could've made them look more scary if they went with the "gaunt, undead corpse" look with long clawed fingers, black veins you can see through their white skin, sunken in eye sockets and such. I always thought the more classic representation of vampires(creepier looking zombies) was a cooler depiction than the suave romantic version, as well as the bat-human hybrid type. There could always be transformations into a bat-like demon, of course, but the initial form, to me, should be human(or human-like). That's just my own preference, though.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 16, 2012, 11:53:49 AM
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Sounds boring. I want something new to play, not SotN reskinned again. That style got pretty stale after a while, with the exception of OoE IMO.

Who said it had to be "sotn reskinned"

I don't think it's stale at all. Been browsing several message boards over the past few years, and it seems there's still a demand for another 2D game. It's obvious a lot of people didn't have a huge problem with the metroidvanias, except for a vocal minority. OoE was a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 16, 2012, 12:02:23 PM
One thing that was great about IGA being in charge were the leaks. If IGA was making anything, it would have leaked in some form by now. Konami and Mercury Steam are being too damn quiet/secretive about Castlevania.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 16, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
I remember when this one Konami employee leaked a screenshot of OoE(on GAMEFAQS of all forums), asking for advice on what he should name one of the creatures. His account was deleted soon after, though. I also remember years ago either another Konami employee, or I think it was just some PR guy from the press (actually I think he was a she), that leaked info prior to PoR's release. Everyone here was skeptical but all the info turned out to be accurate.

That same person also came back a lil bit after the fiasco & made a single bold statement, "TWO 1999 games." as expected everyone went crazy, she disappeared without saying anything else, and that was it. turned out to be bullshit  :'(
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 16, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
We may already have a leak: that rumor about the 3ds game. The person who came with up with that rumor still insists that it's true.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 16, 2012, 12:45:58 PM
Two 1999 games would have been absolutely crazy. If it was the same person who leaked it, then it was probably real at some point and then ultimately canned.

I want to believe all of the rumors I've heard recently, they sound way too good to be true though.

Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 16, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
We may already have a leak: that rumor about the 3ds game. The person who came with up with that rumor still insists that it's true.

Has it been said whether they've had accurate leaks in the past?
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 16, 2012, 01:57:44 PM
Not yet I think.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 16, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
The source was anonymous.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: A-Yty on May 16, 2012, 03:22:26 PM
a Name is a name, and when you deal with satan and similar things, it seems to be a popular trope to name the protagonist Gabriel or another angel name..

I never said they're completely word-for-word (that's called plagiarism). But there are so many similarities it's unlikely to be a coincidence.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Successor The Cruel on May 16, 2012, 04:57:59 PM
Going down this course is pretty much one of the worst things Konami can do with the franchise, which is discouraging beyond words to me. I honestly don't think Mercury Steam has it in them to deliver a Castlevania that I would like to see, so I have little, little faith they will successfully address the issues with Lords of Shadow. And besides, I dislike what Lords did with its plot so much that any continuation of it is already a lost cause in my mind. To turn that whole situation around into something that is great would take a mind of utter brilliance, and I'm not sure if there is one on the planet who can pull that off, so I definitely feel there isn't one at Mercury Steam.

Soooo... count me out of this one.

I'm only hanging onto the faint hope that I cool handheld Castlevania will come out, which is very far from Mercury Steam's touch. Other than that, I've come to the realization that my favorite game series has majorly crashed and burned.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: uzo on May 16, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
Sounds boring. I want something new to play, not SotN reskinned again. That style got pretty stale after a while, with the exception of OoE IMO.

THAT is exactly the point. A bunch of you are so short sighted with this and fail to realize the important things exemplified by OoE.

IGA started reacting to the fan concerns. Too low difficulty, no female protagonist, lack of outside the castle areas, combos in the 2D titles, etc. He was CORRECTING things. To drop him at this point is a terrible idea. I want to see his next 2D Castlevania title. I believe it was only going to get better from here. OoE really turned heads, and gave the fans a lot of what they have been clamoring for.

He was doing us right, and people still shit on him. I don't understand it at all. IGA gets way too much hate, for no reaosn at all. If you're going to fault the man, at least make a decent point, not some bullshit. At the end of the day IGA's titles were great games, even if they all didn't make the insanely high Castlevania standards of old. You all forget how lucky you are to have a producer who gave enough shits not to churn out some slopped out unplayable garbage.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 16, 2012, 05:58:22 PM
There's nothing we can do at this point, IGA probably won't be making anymore Castlevanias ever again.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Rugal on May 16, 2012, 06:48:51 PM
Dark Souls OST - Ornstein & Smough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgpYfCnLhAo#ws)

Is this it, Shelverton?
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: beingthehero on May 16, 2012, 07:01:50 PM
He was doing us right, and people still shit on him. I don't understand it at all. IGA gets way too much hate, for no reaosn at all. If you're going to fault the man, at least make a decent point, not some bullshit. At the end of the day IGA's titles were great games, even if they all didn't make the insanely high Castlevania standards of old. You all forget how lucky you are to have a producer who gave enough shits not to churn out some slopped out unplayable garbage.

Sometimes I think the hate is a way to seem like you're in vogue with the fanbase, or something, even though the majority nowadays seem sincerely like the guy. This occurs despite the same people often praising AoS et al.

This 'my guy is better than your guy!' is kind of dumb.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 16, 2012, 07:04:29 PM
I honestly don't think Mercury Steam has it in them to deliver a Castlevania that I would like to see, so I have little, little faith they will successfully address the issues with Lords of Shadow.

Well unfortunately for you, Mecury Steam doesn't care if they deliver a Castlevania specifically for you. I for one, am embracing the new series, because as much as I love the classics and igas cannon, it's been a little stale, with few exceptions.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: VladCT on May 16, 2012, 07:20:28 PM
This 'my guy is better than your guy!' is kind of dumb.
I wish I could +1 you 666 times.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 16, 2012, 07:56:39 PM
IGA started to address the problems too late IMO.

After games like CoD, DoS, PoR and Judgement sort of turned people off, for whatever various reasons.

He seemed to have been losing his touch until OoE.

That said, if he can actually deliver a game that keeps doing what OoE was doing, which is fixing what was wrong with the formula, im all for it.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Successor The Cruel on May 16, 2012, 09:18:09 PM
Well unfortunately for you, Mecury Steam doesn't care if they deliver a Castlevania specifically for you.

Specifically for me and who knows how many other Castlevania fans as we well know. But, that doesn't matter. Of course Mercury Steam doesn't care if they deliver a Castlevania game for Castlevania fans.
That was established long ago by Dave Cox himself : p
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 16, 2012, 09:34:36 PM
I wish I could +1 you 666 times.
I could never understand the "my guy is better than your guy" thing either. I guess, my taste has been more middle of the road. It's like at the Avengers board on IMDb. Prior to the release, you had so many Nolan Batman trolls plugging up the board, trollin and flamebaiting, it was crazy. Then, after Avengers, you got Whedon Avenger fans flooding the DKR boards, doing the same thing. I actually CAN sit here and say, I loved Avengers, and I love Nolan's Batman movies. You don't have to choose sides. It's the beauty of "freedom of choice", not to be forced into one side or the other, but be FREE to choose both. And I liked Raimi's Spider-Man movies(well, not so much 3), and I'm actually stoked over Amazing Spider-Man!! People act like it's a sin if you don't rally for one or the other. The purpose of sides is to segregate.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Chernabogue on May 17, 2012, 01:09:03 AM
I could never understand the "my guy is better than your guy" thing either. I guess, my taste has been more middle of the road. It's like at the Avengers board on IMDb. Prior to the release, you had so many Nolan Batman trolls plugging up the board, trollin and flamebaiting, it was crazy. Then, after Avengers, you got Whedon Avenger fans flooding the DKR boards, doing the same thing. I actually CAN sit here and say, I loved Avengers, and I love Nolan's Batman movies. You don't have to choose sides. It's the beauty of "freedom of choice", not to be forced into one side or the other, but be FREE to choose both. And I liked Raimi's Spider-Man movies(well, not so much 3), and I'm actually stoked over Amazing Spider-Man!! People act like it's a sin if you don't rally for one or the other. The purpose of sides is to segregate.
I really wish I could +1 you 6.666 times.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: X on May 17, 2012, 10:32:11 AM
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I really wish I could +1 you 6.666 times.

lol, I think you mean this 6,666 and not this 6.666  ;D
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Chernabogue on May 17, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
lol, I think you mean this 6,666 and not this 6.666  ;D
Ah, maybe in the US, yes. In France, I'd be correct. ;D But thanks for pointing it out! :)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sumac on May 17, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
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That same person also came back a lil bit after the fiasco & made a single bold statement, "TWO 1999 games." as expected everyone went crazy, she disappeared without saying anything else, and that was it. turned out to be bullshit 
Hm, I remember hearing something like that, but I never thought it was coming from someone who already leaked some information. I wonder did Konami seriously considered creation of two 1999 titles? Sounds like a gamble for some reason.

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Too low difficulty, no female protagonist, lack of outside the castle areas, combos in the 2D titles, etc. He was CORRECTING things. To drop him at this point is a terrible idea. He was doing us right, and people still shit on him. I don't understand it at all.
As Flame said, it was too late. He shouldn't make those mistakes in the first place to begin with, since SOTN, that they've used as a template, had practically all the same problems that plagued pretty much all next "metroidvanias", but with big amount of sugar coating in form of pretty graphics, music and art.
So, when developer has a flawed template and he persistently continue to make the very same mistakes that he did in original work, it is obvious that people will inevitably question quality of all his next works.
Personally, I believe, that the reason for OOE being different from other "metroidvanias" was that producer of the COTM was participating in creation of the game. If it was only IGA and the same team that did POR, for example...I don't think results would be that pretty.

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This occurs despite the same people often praising AoS et al.
I've seen something more interesting: people were hatefully bashing IGA and praised SOTN at the same time. That was hilarious and sad at the same time.

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Other than that, I've come to the realization that my favorite game series has majorly crashed and burned.
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Specifically for me and who knows how many other Castlevania fans as we well know. But, that doesn't matter. Of course Mercury Steam doesn't care if they deliver a Castlevania game for Castlevania fans.
Sounds like butthurt, that they dare to create game without consideration of your taste.  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: thernz on May 17, 2012, 12:00:47 PM
The most the CoTM producer did was some level design/background work and the menu design.
A lot of CoTM's team was involved in PoR too.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 17, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
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Sounds like butthurt, that they dare to create game without consideration of your taste.  :rollseyes:

thats honestly what the majority of LoS hate is. "it's different from what I have known and come to expect from Castlevania and therefore I hate it."

in varying degrees.

the hate and like of LoS is based solely on one's own personal feelings on Castlevania and what makes a game a castlevania game. There really is no solid argument aside from maybe highly derivative gameplay, that can be made against it as "not being castlevania", because Castlevania is just so many different things to different people.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: A-Yty on May 17, 2012, 12:16:42 PM
Castlevania is just so many different things to different people.

..which makes the opinion of people who don't like LoS just as valid. Cuz, you know, they are people too.

Not that an opinion necessarily needs an argument, but the reasons LoS isn't well liked (and why some people like it) have been discussed to death. Which makes this quote

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There really is no solid argument aside from maybe highly derivative gameplay, that can be made against it as "not being castlevania",

seem like something a bot would write.

Some people - lots of people - don't like LoS. Some even hate it. (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.smosh.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fbloguploads%2FDeal-with-it-yoshi.gif&hash=da14156ae4e285d957be63a38ec2d041)
Just like some hate Metroidvanias and Classicvanias.

It is their prerogative to have whatever reasons they have for that, no matter how "right" or "wrong" it may seem to you. And logically, it shouldn't matter at all to the people who like LoS. But behold - it seems to be like a swarm of ants crawling inside their bungholes.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 17, 2012, 12:26:07 PM
thats honestly what the majority of LoS hate is. "it's different from what I have known and come to expect from Castlevania and therefore I hate it."

I wish people would stop using that dumb argument. Fans don't like the game not because it's different but because they didn't like the particular direction the game took with the series. How hard is that to understand? It's just a means to conveniently label all people who dislike LoS as narrow minded conversatives which is horribly obnoxious.       
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 17, 2012, 01:55:05 PM
I wish people would stop using that dumb argument. Fans don't like the game not because it's different but because they didn't like the particular direction the game took with the series. How hard is that to understand? It's just a means to conveniently label all people who dislike LoS as narrow minded conversatives which is horribly obnoxious.       

 Nagumo I understand what you mean by how labeling might seem to be obnoxious because of this reason of oh it's different or it's not cv, but some I guess just come off that way. Some do say go back to the metroidvania style/keep the kojima art style ect and such right? I guess the obnoxiousness goes both ways yeah the new direction is not perfect,but at the sametime it is not that bad.

Family Guy - Stewie Doesnt Like Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHpdgHTINik#ws)

I just felt like putting this because reading these comments made me think of this
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 17, 2012, 02:43:19 PM
I suppose there are people out there who are like that (for whatever reason) but the members here don't act like that at all. We have members who like all the different incarnations of the series that exist, the classic games, the 3d games, etc which proves they can accept change at least to some degree. So I see no reason to pull the "you just don't accept change" card here of all places.   
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 17, 2012, 02:51:16 PM
So I see no reason to pull the "you just don't accept change" card here of all places.   

I agree.

That argument in itself is weak at best.

I myself was easily able to accept change in the form of symphony which I have seen NUMEROUS LOS fans try to draw comparisons to regarding their similar situations (such as changing the series as we know it).

I'm a HUGE fan of the classics and SCIV was one of my most fav vanias of all time.

But once symphony came along I found myself easily able to get into it since I actually LIKED the changes it brought about.

That is the difference with LOS really, I just did not like the changes IT brought about.

Nothing wrong with that really, everyone has opinions and no ones opinion should be shot down because it is different than yours.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 17, 2012, 02:53:35 PM
I suppose there are people out there who are like that (for whatever reason) but the members here don't act like that at all. We have members who like all the different incarnations of the series that exist, the classic games, the 3d games, etc which proves they can accept change at least to some degree. So I see no reason to pull the "you just don't accept change" card here of all places.   

True. I can understand it more now. Hell in the end I just like a good game and this series provides it in three different ways  even if I prefer the classic more, but when I am tried of that I have two more styles to play with.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 17, 2012, 03:21:12 PM
i wonder(hope?) LoS2 will have RPG elements o.o;
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sumac on May 17, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
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The most the CoTM producer did was some level design/background work and the menu design.
A lot of CoTM's team was involved in PoR too.
Well, you learn something new everyday.
Then its strange that POR ended up so...mediocre.

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And logically, it shouldn't matter at all to the people who like LoS. But behold - it seems to be like a swarm of ants crawling inside their bungholes.
Say something bad about SOTN and you will be ripped apart by its fans.
Say something bad about LOS...its OK, no people should be offended because something that they like is insulted.
Double standarts anyone?

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Fans don't like the game not because it's different but because they didn't like the particular direction the game took with the series.
Which is basically means that they don't like how different it is from previous games. 
Just worded in a roundabout fashion. ;)

I am all for acceptance of different opinions and all that jazz. And that is exactly why I am being slightly pissed of, when some people continously say bad things about LOS, when its not that neccesary or even relevant. Its like as if I bashed HOD in each my post, no matter what we were talking about. Maybe I should do that?
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 17, 2012, 07:07:30 PM
Well, you learn something new everyday.
Then its strange that POR ended up so...mediocre.
Say something bad about SOTN and you will be ripped apart by its fans.
Say something bad about LOS...its OK, no people should be offended because something that they like is insulted.
Double standarts anyone?
Which is basically means that they don't like how different it is from previous games. 
Just worded in a roundabout fashion. ;)

I am all for acceptance of different opinions and all that jazz. And that is exactly why I am being slightly pissed of, when some people continously say bad things about LOS, when its not that neccesary or even relevant. Its like as if I bashed HOD in each my post, no matter what we were talking about. Maybe I should do that?

 Both are good,but I like Los more than Sotn(I want to get the saturn version soon) so is that really so bad? Should I get burned to the stake for it? Nah but hey people will be people. Second do not go down to that level what is the point in doing that.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Gecko on May 17, 2012, 07:21:54 PM
I hope my saying that I think a new IGA-Vania would be boring doesn't make people think I don't like the games IGA has done. My comment a few pages back seems to have redirected the conversation. I mentioned OoE because it is a neat mix up of the tried and true formula that they'd been using for years to make new Castlevanias. I thoroughly enjoyed all the metroidvanias, even PoR, which I consider my least-favorite of those. I just like to see more creativity in my games. That's what impressed me. That's why AoS blew my mind when I first played it, and SotN was so cool. I just think that the formula was kind of running out of steam. I don't know how much more could have been done with it. I'm not saying one developer is better than another at all.

Anyway, I'll shut up before I make another wall-o-text. I just want to make things clear before too many people get the wrong idea.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 17, 2012, 07:26:05 PM
I hope my saying that I think a new IGA-Vania would be boring doesn't make people think I don't like the games IGA has done. My comment a few pages back seems to have redirected the conversation. I mentioned OoE because it is a neat mix up of the tried and true formula that they'd been using for years to make new Castlevanias. I thoroughly enjoyed all the metroidvanias, even PoR, which I consider my least-favorite of those. I just like to see more creativity in my games. That's what impressed me. That's why AoS blew my mind when I first played it, and SotN was so cool. I just think that the formula was kind of running out of steam. I don't know how much more could have been done with it. I'm not saying one developer is better than another at all.

Anyway, I'll shut up before I make another wall-o-text. I just want to make things clear before too many people get the wrong idea.

Oh come on make an other wall of text what is the worst that can happen  ;) , and yes too much of one thing can get tiresome.

Anyways I love this review of Los from CGR

Classic Game Room - CASTLEVANIA: LORDS OF SHADOW review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHHTnMEHdvM#ws)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 17, 2012, 07:38:53 PM
i wonder(hope?) LoS2 will have RPG elements o.o;
good question.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 17, 2012, 08:15:29 PM
Man, just rewatching this again.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow - Hideo Kojima Special Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1kNvUnvt3w#ws)

Konami is a master troll.

I'm going to trust nothing that Konami puts out next time for marketing the sequel.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 17, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
i wonder(hope?) LoS2 will have RPG elements o.o;

Well, LoS had the buying combo moves, so maybe. I think the LoS world would lend itself wonderfully to a non-linear game at least, especially if it had day and night cycles or... pretty much any given elements from Simon's Quest.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: thernz on May 18, 2012, 12:36:27 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FprKO1.jpg&hash=f90ae3cb8e5bb0b40e7c2be0fb108ab3)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 18, 2012, 01:08:16 AM
Which is basically means that they don't like how different it is from previous games. 
Just worded in a roundabout fashion. ;)

 :)

The argument that was made was that fans don't like change whatever it might be (which puts them in a bad light) while I made a point saying they only don't like this perticular change. This applies to most members here who have already proven they are adaptable to change.         
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: A-Yty on May 18, 2012, 01:26:29 AM
Its like as if I bashed HOD in each my post, no matter what we were talking about. Maybe I should do that?

Then you would have two themes to follow in your posts. Sounds like a lot of work if you ask me.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sumac on May 18, 2012, 11:40:40 AM
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Then you would have two themes to follow in your posts. Sounds like a lot of work if you ask me.
There is not much trouble in adding into my every post "HOD sucks!!".
I perfectly capable of multitasking. Talks with rabid fanboys has taught me to it.  ;)

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The argument that was made was that fans don't like change whatever it might be (which puts them in a bad light) while I made a point saying they only don't like this perticular change.
 
The same thing. Aside from LOS what exactly big changes happened to the series in the past?
We have essentially two big fractions and several odd curiostites, that doesn't amount to anything in the long run (CV64 / LOD, LOI, COD), since they've never become a template that series used in the long run. And, I believe, people knew that they will not become a new standard for the Castlevania, so that's why there is not so much fight about those games.
I think, big part of the LOS hatred comes from the people who genuinly afraid that LOS in the future will become a new Castlevania standard. At least in the old times, you could have been sure that there will be 2D outings, so fans "allowed" Konami to experiment with the series. As of now there is very little to such possibility, and that is why there is so much rage sometimes.

I partially could understand where these people come from, but sometimes said rage comes more as a butthurt (Konami made it different and haven't asked us!!), rather then something  weighted and clever.

P.S.
I totally love how some "intelligent creatures" use rating system.
Seems minuses is all they capable to say. Gives a nice insight of how smart they are.  :'(
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 18, 2012, 12:21:57 PM
While it can be argued how much of a major change for the series this was, the post Rondo games are different in several aspects. Those games were not considered to be spin-offs either. There are fans (most members of this forum) who both like these games and the ones that came before and they did not react negatively to the changes they brought. Doesn't that already prove we can handle change? Lords introduced more change but so what? Nobody would have cared if they actually liked them.       
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 18, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
While it can be argued how much of a major change for the series this was, the post Rondo games are different in several aspects. Those games were not considered to be spin-offs either. There are fans (most members of this forum) who both like these games and the ones that came before and they did not react negatively to the changes they brought. Doesn't that already prove we can handle change? Lords introduced more change but so what? Nobody would cared if they actually liked them.     
I think the concept of "reboot" did more damage than the change. Had LoS been set in the classic canon, I think it would've been easier to swallow as a sequel. It seems, generally, easier to write off bad sequels than bad reboots(not saying LoS is bad, but just generalizing how people react to reboots versus sequels). People are more critical of reboots because it lacks that previous canon connection and tries to establish a new version of the franchise. People love their old worlds. They love to know that so-and-so character they fell in love with existed in the same world that so-and-so is living 500 years later. They like to know that the events they experienced are worthy of existence. Overreacting, maybe, but that's how some feel. It's similar to those who rally for Legends and Sonia Belmont. I might not feel as strongly on the subject as they do, but I can acknowledge their right to feel like they do. They believe Legends and Sonia are WORTHY of existence within IGA's canon. That they should exist within the same world as the other CV games.

I do think people would find it easier to swallow if LoS took place SOMEWHRE in the original canon. And of course, Cox's "Forget everything you know about Castlevania." didn't really help. It was like salt on a wound.  ;D
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Neobelmont on May 18, 2012, 02:29:32 PM
Man, just rewatching this again.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow - Hideo Kojima Special Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1kNvUnvt3w#ws)



That was freaking good. When I saw that for the first time I was like I am in for a ride. Till the end it just looked so awesome.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 18, 2012, 03:38:44 PM
Im really not so sure we've seen the last of the original timeline, I really somehow doubt it. It will pop back up eventually one way or another.

Especially once MS finishes it's Castlevania series and Konami has to again decide what to do. (perhaps do another thing where all their branches pitch something.)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 19, 2012, 02:05:30 AM

Especially once MS finishes it's Castlevania series and Konami has to again decide what to do. (perhaps do another thing where all their branches pitch something.)

They should hand the series to either WayForward or Platinum Games for a spin. But that would make sense (and the big money is strictly prohibited from funding anything without the words "Metal" or "Gear" in the title), so Konami will never do that and instead have them make something absolutely no one asked for. Such as, say, an FPS wherein you horrifically murder your favorite Hudson Soft characters, or a lame-ass multiplayer action Silent Hill (OH WAIT).
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 19, 2012, 09:21:16 AM
Don't hold your breath.
I have the strong feeling that MS will held the series for a looong time, or if not them, Cox (not saying they won't develop something else, think of them as Sony Santa Monica).
I honestly don't think it will return to japanease hands. Like never. Ever. (Not the Akumajo series but the new "Castlevania" one)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 19, 2012, 09:28:48 AM
Cox has been working on Castlevania since at least Symphony, mostly behind the scenes work

I don't know about Japanease hands but I'm sure KoJ will develop a new game at some point, and I honestly think they wouldn't want anything to do with MS' vision of Castlevania anyway.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 19, 2012, 09:33:45 AM
Cox has been working on Castlevania since at least Symphony, mostly behind the scenes work
Not even since Symphony but Castlevania X6000, the man's a veteran.
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and I honestly think they wouldn't want anything to do with MS' vision of Castlevania anyway.
It would lose the japanese charm, so i'm glad Castlevania remains in western developers and Akumajou in eastern ones.








Off-Topic: Man, the Respect system is broken, I didn't say anything offensive in my above post (or like, in many posts) and when you get a -1 (better translated as Disagree) it lowers your RESPECT bar, so if you have an unpopular but still valid and inoffensive opinion it stills lowers your RESPECT, it just.. does not compute. What about an Agree/Disagree Button? And let that not have anything related to personal stats? Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 19, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
Not too fond of the Respect system myself. because then the people with unpopular opinions, be they valid or not, have a huge negative rep.

It's really just an "agree/disagree" button, that. I agree, there should be some kind of +1/-1 button but have it not affect personal stats. so you could have a post with a -15, but the person wont have a big -15 under their name.

It just feels... I dunno. Childish? I DISAGREE BUT HAVE NO COUNTER ARGUMENT SO I'LL JUST -1 YOUR REP.

Also, this splitting of Akumajo Dracula and Castlevania as two separate things is just silly to me.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 19, 2012, 10:07:48 AM
Also, this splitting of Akumajo Dracula and Castlevania as two separate things is just silly to me.
God knows it is, but say that to Konami :P

I think we all pretty much agree in that Lords of Shadow could have been the prequel to Lament with two or three retconnings here and there, and it wouldn't have many big problems with the old canon (And then having the sequels being reimaginings of the old series), but then creative freeedom and blah blah blah...
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 19, 2012, 10:24:14 AM
Ehhh, LoS would need a complete plot overhaul to be Lament's prequel.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Nagumo on May 19, 2012, 10:43:43 AM
Perhaps it's better to just have the option to like a post? Then you don't have this situation where certain people are tanking disrepect. Though personally I only give disrespect when I think somebody is acting dumb not because of their opinion.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Sumac on May 19, 2012, 01:22:21 PM
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I think the concept of "reboot" did more damage than the change. Had LoS been set in the classic canon, I think it would've been easier to swallow as a sequel.
I am afraid, that if LOS (as it is now) was set in the old canon, fans went mad with rage because it would be very different from old canon atmosphere and style. Since it is separate continuty it is easier to stomach that it is very different from the past Castlevania. At least for me.

It is just a Castlevania game on its own without ties to anything, so to speak. Also, since I am not big fan of latest IGA's entries in the series, I don't appreciate the possibility of LOS using story elements established during IGA's tenure over the series. And besides, LOS would be very limited to what it could do with the story, without retconing whole amount of different stuff, effectively ruining old canon. Given that it would be much easier to create a separate storyline / universe, rather than go through the effort of changing already established stuff, I personally think that LOS did a right thing, when it is tried to separate iself form the old timeline.

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Not too fond of the Respect system myself. because then the people with unpopular opinions, be they valid or not, have a huge negative rep.
I think some people abuse rep. system just to vote against people who they dislike, rather than "wrong / bad" opinions. I don't think that is the right aproach to the forum business.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: beingthehero on May 19, 2012, 03:13:59 PM
Cox-kun wasn't a staff member for the X68000 version of Castlevania. He was only involved in the European distribution of Castlevania Chronicles.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 19, 2012, 07:24:34 PM
Don't know if anyone saw this, not that it's much, but Cox on his twitter earlier said that if his soccer team, I think, won a championship he'd change his profile pic to something new. And so now it's a wolfs face. I can only guess this is something from the sequel. Let the speculation begin
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: beingthehero on May 19, 2012, 07:25:33 PM
Cox is really a wolf in a human suit. That's why we never see his back, it's because there's a zipper there.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: CastleDan on May 19, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
This might be stretching a bit but anyone think it might be a symphony night type re-imagination? Wolf...maybe it's a picture of the wolf/bat/mist.. Maybe it's Mercury Steam's take on Symphony of the night. Playing as a half vampire, or just playing as a vampire. I seriously hope so because while I love the belmont clan there is something special about playing as a vampire...
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: C Belmont on May 19, 2012, 09:01:33 PM
What colour are Gabriel's eyes again? if it is Castlevania related it could be Gabriel or a new character in wolf form probably not a werewolf since they looked considerably different in LOS if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Profbeanburrito on May 19, 2012, 09:15:18 PM
This might be stretching a bit but anyone think it might be a symphony night type re-imagination? Wolf...maybe it's a picture of the wolf/bat/mist.. Maybe it's Mercury Steam's take on Symphony of the night. Playing as a half vampire, or just playing as a vampire. I seriously hope so because while I love the belmont clan there is something special about playing as a vampire...

Though i wasnt thinking SotN exactly, That picture of Alucard with the wolf bat and mist crossed my mind. Maybe Gabriel now has all the powers of the Lords. Clearly he can't die, like Zobek, and he is a vampire now, like Carmilla, so it's possible he could have a wolf form like Cornell.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 19, 2012, 10:28:16 PM
Since no one bothered to post the pic:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ff1hd9.jpg&hash=1c059d798713e0cd46bfe55d755ec7a9)

Probably Gabriel.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Chernabogue on May 20, 2012, 01:41:00 AM
Interesting. As Gabriel became a vampire, he got powers like Dracula's (well, he's Dracula) or Alucard's. Like the Wolf and Mist form.

If I recall correctly, he used his mist form to attack Zobek in the epilogue. So having a Wolf form wouldn't be surprising.

Nice pic BTW.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 20, 2012, 02:30:24 AM
Neato! Wonder who we'll play as? (Please have a whip whoever you are)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Munchy on May 20, 2012, 02:32:05 AM
shit, double post
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Chernabogue on May 20, 2012, 04:19:42 AM
And what if it is a wolf that is WITH Gabriel on the art? I mean, there's some kind of red tissu/clothes, so mabe Gabe is standing on the left of the pic.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 20, 2012, 05:52:51 AM
I want to say it's either Dracula's wolf form or a random wolf creature standing behing him (I think the red cloth is the end of his cape.)

Oh man, I think I might have solved the mystery. The full pic is fully Drac'ed out Gabriel with the cape and all standing next to a werewolf outside his Castle. :o

it's probably not it but I hope im close.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: VladCT on May 20, 2012, 06:30:10 AM
Oh man, I think I might have solved the mystery. The full pic is fully Drac'ed out Gabriel with the cape and all standing next to a werewolf outside his Castle. :o
I don't think werewolves have paws for hands.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: uzo on May 20, 2012, 06:47:16 AM
Perhaps it's better to just have the option to like a post? Then you don't have this situation where certain people are tanking disrepect. Though personally I only give disrespect when I think somebody is acting dumb not because of their opinion.

+1 for Nagu-chan~!
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Kingshango on May 20, 2012, 06:54:14 AM
I don't think werewolves have paws for hands.

Your right it does look like a wolf more than a werewolf. But my guess still stand, the full pic is Gabriel fully Drac'ed out standing next to a wolf outside his Castle.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: flyingchai on May 20, 2012, 07:07:59 AM
I'm with everyone else that thinks it's a random wolf standing alongside Dracula. The bright red cloak he's wearing I'd bet is the same faded one that draped Dracula's lap at the end of LoS!!
(Not to mention the same one in the concept art.) Wasn't Castlevania 1 the only one that had Dracula wearing all red?
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 20, 2012, 07:50:24 AM
LOOKS LIKE A WARG TO ME
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: thernz on May 20, 2012, 08:11:42 AM
I wish the wargs in Lords actually looked like wolves.
That is a pretty GOOD wolf though.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 20, 2012, 08:30:33 AM
The "Novel" Dracula had a wolf form he used to command them also to attack people. Sounds about right.
But yep, It's Dracula besides a wolf, you can see it's laid on the ground.

Also

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.castlevaniacrypt.com%2Fgames%2Flos%2Fimages%2Fart%2Fun%2Fdraculasketch.png&hash=25e93dbca582c21e20d8ea0204fa8c80)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: thernz on May 20, 2012, 08:35:27 AM
wolf's name is alucard
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 20, 2012, 08:57:12 AM
it's NOT Dracula it's DRACUL PEOPLE!

than he has a son named Dracula but defies him & change name to Alucard makes sense amirite *highfive*
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 20, 2012, 09:03:49 AM
Well thats what weve thought out, yeah. Gabe is Dracul, and his son Dracula, is Alucard.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 20, 2012, 09:09:48 AM
that's so awesome

but wait why is he labeled as "dracula" in the in-game concept art if he's really Dracul
perhaps they got it wrong & we got it right hmmm
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 20, 2012, 09:15:12 AM
that's so awesome

but wait why is he labeled as "dracula" in the in-game concept art if he's really Dracul
perhaps they got it wrong & we got it right hmmm
My sarcasm detector is tingling, what is exactly your point?
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 20, 2012, 09:19:49 AM
why is he labeled as "dracula" in the in-game concept art if he's really Dracul
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Flame on May 20, 2012, 09:25:15 AM
Because the character he represents in the new timeline, in relation to the franchise, is "Dracula", the series antagonist. But LoS corrects the bit of a plot flaw following Lament of Innocence, in that Mathias names himself Son of the Dragon, as opposed to just Dragon. In another thread it was suggested he considers himself akin to the antichrist or the son of Satan, with Satan being the Dragon and him being the Son of the Dragon, but IMO it was just IGA not thinking things through.

In LoS Gabe claims "I am the Dragon". So the only logical name here is Dracul.

Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 20, 2012, 09:33:39 AM
Too much semantics involved.. Dracula sounds cooler than Dracul anyway
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Dremn on May 20, 2012, 09:34:37 AM
Also

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.castlevaniacrypt.com%2Fgames%2Flos%2Fimages%2Fart%2Fun%2Fdraculasketch.png&hash=25e93dbca582c21e20d8ea0204fa8c80)
Son of a gun.

Mystery solved.

EDIT: The leak guy returned, he gave me a little tidbit on the whole poster. Do not click if you don't want to be spoiled.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: CastleDan on May 20, 2012, 09:39:55 AM
I don't know what everyone is going on and on about but do we have some evidence this might be mercury steams take on a symphony of the night concept? That'd be great.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: Ahasverus on May 20, 2012, 09:41:02 AM
I don't know what everyone is going on and on about but do we have some evidence this might be mercury steams take on a symphony of the night concept? That'd be great.
No we don't :P We don't know anything other than the sequel is coming, it probably has Gabriel as a triumphant Dracul and.. it will have wolves.
EDIT: The leak guy returned, he gave me a little tidbit on this full pic. Do not click if you want to be spoiled.

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Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: crisis on May 20, 2012, 09:49:26 AM
Alucard Belmont confirmed?
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Post by: CastleDan on May 20, 2012, 09:50:19 AM
Seriously if Mercury Steam allows us to control an Alucard(or alucard like) character going after Gabriel this game will be a megaton.

I only hope it means we can get multiple weapons and explore more in the environments and such.......
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Post by: crisis on May 20, 2012, 09:53:51 AM
More than 1 playable character plz
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Post by: A-Yty on May 20, 2012, 10:01:57 AM
In another thread it was suggested he considers himself akin to the antichrist or the son of Satan, with Satan being the Dragon and him being the Son of the Dragon, but IMO it was just IGA not thinking things through.

Ugh..IGA didn't think of the name Dracula. If you wanna point a finger at someone, try Bram Stoker. I think the only thing IGA has said about the origin of Vania Drac's name is that "he named himself Dracula, which means devil or dragon". Which is true, except that he left out or forgot to mention the "a" at the end means "son of". I haven't heard him make a comment about why Mathias chose that particular name (other than that he was pissed and evil and wanted his new terror name to reflect that). The real world explonation is, of course, that CV Drac was more or less based on Stoker Drac, but the in-universe details remain open to interpretation.

No..wait a minute and scratch off some..if we're gonna get to the very bottom of it, maybe you should point it at the guy who first called Vlad III "Dracula" because his dad was Dracul. Or the one who first spoke such a language that resulted in a word like Dracula to come into existence in the first place.

My point is, that sounds like another silly and unfounded jab at IGA.
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Post by: Dremn on May 20, 2012, 10:02:42 AM
Going by what we may know now, I think the Wolf is a teaser for the 3DS game instead of the console sequel.
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Post by: A-Yty on May 20, 2012, 10:05:32 AM
And hey, Gabricula's son would obviously be "Lucard"  8)
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Post by: Kingshango on May 20, 2012, 10:31:47 AM
Son of a gun.

EDIT: The leak guy returned, he gave me a little tidbit on the whole poster. Do not click if you don't want to be spoiled.

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Your right it does look like a wolf more than a werewolf. But my guess still stand, the full pic is Gabriel fully Drac'ed out standing next to a wolf outside his Castle.

Nailed it, somewhat.
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Post by: Flame on May 20, 2012, 10:48:43 AM
Too much semantics involved.. Dracula sounds cooler than Dracul anyway

Dracul sounds more fresh to me though, Dracula is a name well used over the years.

And it would just be a glaring flaw in the character naming, that he calls himself the dragon, but renames himself SON of the Dragon.

That's like calling my dad my son.

It' a flaw that really sticks out to anyone who knows even a little bit about the character and the name's origins. (and you should, considering Dracula is possibly the most iconic movie monster of all time, and the lore behind the character's creation is well known, and even then, Google and Wikipedia are not exactly hard to find if one was ever curious at all.)
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Post by: thernz on May 20, 2012, 11:35:51 AM
maybe mathias was looking through a book (from the future, important detail, guys) and stumbled upon the name dracula and went
"wow what a cool name"

then bram stoker curled in his (future) grave and screamed, "dam u mathias"
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 20, 2012, 11:38:40 AM


It' a flaw that really sticks out to anyone who knows even a little bit about the character and the name's origins.

But wasn't that flaw made by Cox and his team?

They did call him by "Dracula" in the official ingame concept art.
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Post by: Munchy on May 20, 2012, 11:45:22 AM
LOOKS LIKE A WARG TO ME

*high five*

I'm wondering how Gabriel will transform into a jerk, assuming Dracula does the same evil stuff he did in the old timeline.
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 20, 2012, 12:27:12 PM
Coming back a bit on the Dracul/Dracula thing, but I remember Cox saying on Twitter that Gabriel was indeed Dracula (saying that in Resurrection, he's not Dracula yet).

And I think Gabriel says "Dracul" just because it's Romanian language.

But I'm impressed by all the theories you guys are brigining! :)
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Post by: uzo on May 20, 2012, 01:00:20 PM
*high five*

I'm wondering how Gabriel will transform into a jerk, assuming Dracula does the same evil stuff he did in the old timeline.

The DLC already covered that in a horribly written and produced way.
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Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 20, 2012, 01:39:53 PM
Because the character he represents in the new timeline, in relation to the franchise, is "Dracula", the series antagonist. But LoS corrects the bit of a plot flaw following Lament of Innocence, in that Mathias names himself Son of the Dragon, as opposed to just Dragon. In another thread it was suggested he considers himself akin to the antichrist or the son of Satan, with Satan being the Dragon and him being the Son of the Dragon, but IMO it was just IGA not thinking things through.

In LoS Gabe claims "I am the Dragon". So the only logical name here is Dracul.
Well, technically, the "son of a dragon" is still a dragon itself. It's like, the son of a ogre is most likely going to be an ogre too. So, him referring to himself as a dragon(Dracul) is still right, even if his name IS Dracula. In the old series, Dracula transformed into a demon form and a dragon form in various games, so he DID transform into a Dracul himself, despite being named Dracula.
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Post by: CastleDan on May 20, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
Going by what we may know now, I think the Wolf is a teaser for the 3DS game instead of the console sequel.

What makes you say that?
I think that's pretty much impossible since I remember them saying the 3ds castlevania was scrapped. Maybe they moved it to Vita?
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Post by: Kingshango on May 20, 2012, 06:11:22 PM
What makes you say that?
I think that's pretty much impossible since I remember them saying the 3ds castlevania was scrapped. Maybe they moved it to Vita?

Apparently the 3DS version exist's but I can't tell much here, PM me (or OSM) for more details since we dont want to spoil it here.
Title: Re: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way
Post by: CastleDan on May 20, 2012, 06:27:46 PM
Apparently the 3DS version exist's but I can't tell much here, PM me (or OSM) for more details since we dont want to spoil it here.
PM sent to you..

waits :P
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Post by: Munchy on May 20, 2012, 09:14:29 PM
The DLC already covered that in a horribly written and produced way.

Really? I mean, he got whatever stupid powers TFO had, but does that mean he's going to kick puppies all of a sudden?

Wait a minute, I think I get it. Instead of a game ending polarizing the player as Mother Theresa or Hitler, we get to see Mother Theresa turn into Hitler for no real reason other than "it is her fate" or some shit. It's brilliant!

Since we're supposed to be sympathetic to his plight this time around, I wonder if they'll try to rip off MGS4 and claim Dracula "WAS TEH REEL HERO ALL ALONGZ" in spite of, you know, killing millions of people throughout the years. It's stupid... STUPID LIKE A FOXDIE
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Post by: Flame on May 20, 2012, 11:35:38 PM
Its more along the lines that as he slowly becomes a vampire from having taken laura's blood, he gradually loses his humanity, and eventually, his humanity just fades altogether, leaving only well, his darkness. He sort of became a lord of shadow after all, in a different manner. Instead of ascending to heaven and leaving behind his dark side, he becomes a vampire and his humanity, his "good" just dies, leaving behind his anger, hate, and madness.

The Forgotten one seems to just be the final nail in the coffin, (pun not intended) rather, the final turning point of no return. When he just kills it despite it's pleas for mercy, and steals it's powers for himself, finally accepting what he has become, and leaving his former self behind with the symbolic act of destroying his Combat Cross, the weapon that ties him with his holy order and his fight for God. He basically shattered a Crucifix and tossed it away.

I think he mentions it in his narration, that he can feel his humanity ebbing away, and eventually his narrations just get kinda darker and he just outright starts calling himself the dragon and shit.
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Post by: JR on May 21, 2012, 03:07:27 AM

EDIT: The leak guy returned, he gave me a little tidbit on the whole poster. Do not click if you don't want to be spoiled.

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Post by: shelverton. on May 21, 2012, 07:20:48 AM
Dear E3,
Please come soon. I'm starving for Castlevania announcement(s).
There needs to be TWO games announced: PS3/360/WiiU and 3DS (or Vita).

Also, here's a thought:
Capcom is putting a Resident Evil 6 demo in Dragon's Dogma. That should give DD more attention and help sales. What if Konami would be smart for once and put something, say, Metal Gear Solid related with a Castlevania release? That would make people who normally wouldn't buy a Castlevania game a reason to check it out. An exclusive playable demo of MGS5 could add hundreds of thousands more sales to just about any Konami game, don't you think? If MGS5 is even coming, that is.
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Post by: Nagumo on May 21, 2012, 07:52:44 AM
I can't stand the wait either. It makes me kind off restless and unfocused! I really don't like the recent 3DS rumors that are popping up in this thread which makes it even worse. 
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Post by: Chernabogue on May 21, 2012, 08:03:08 AM
Can someone source the rumors? Remember the Complete Chronicles thing, it was just a rumor.
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Post by: Nagumo on May 21, 2012, 08:18:19 AM
There is no reason to believe they are true yet. I'm just being paranoid.
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Post by: Kingshango on May 21, 2012, 08:32:23 AM
I just don't want to get killed if they aren't true, Im just posting only what I've heard and while the rumors sound good, they also sound too good to be true. So I, as well as many of you, should take them with bag of salt and remember "The complete Chronicles" fiasco.

I just can't wait for E3, it's 2 weeks away and the rumors are making the wait really unbearable and Cox's new Twitter pic and what the full image is rumored to be is NOT helping.
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Post by: Thunderbrand on May 24, 2012, 10:05:01 AM
On the LoS Facebook page, they updated their cover photo to new artwork, a teaser of LoS2. Looks pretty cool. The link says "The Dragon Returns 5-31-12." Does that mean we'll get the official announcement that day?
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Post by: e105beta on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Hopefully we will. Maybe even a trailer.

I was super hyped when the LoS trailer went up.
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Post by: Koutei on May 24, 2012, 10:30:44 AM
Exciting!!