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Title: New Castlevania Season
Post by: GuyStarwind on April 15, 2021, 10:24:21 AM
Looks like they announced a season four. I didn't watch all of season three though.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 15, 2021, 05:29:42 PM
New poster to go with that announcement.

Unlike previous posters, there’s no new characters for us to guess who they are.  Maybe all we’ll ever get of Grant is a reference to some crazy pirate of the roads. 

https://nintendowire.com/news/2021/04/15/netflix-teases-castlevanias-season-4-shares-new-illustration/
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on April 15, 2021, 07:13:14 PM
I hope they nail it out of the park. I’m aware that the previous seasons haven’t been so well-received by fans, but I enjoyed it for what it was. It’s different, there were a lot of things I disagreed with, but in the end I didn’t lose any sleep over any of their decisions. They’re taking a different approach with the mythos & I respect that, moreso than what MercurySteam did with their iteration of the saga.

Hector needs to man up & stand up for himself, he has significant power that was said to rival Death himself (at least in the games). Speaking of which, the Grim Reaper has yet to appear. I hope they include him in Dracula’s resurrection, he can be a truly wicked force if done right moreso than Carmilla.

Isaac, I’m indifferent towards him,  but I’m still unsure if they’re going to use him to be the vessel of Dracula like they did in the games. His devotion is there, but who knows

As for Alucard, his mindstate is very unstable but I don’t think it’ll stay that way, Trevor and/or Sypha will convince him to reject his heritage & he’ll be “good” once again I’m sure

Lastly, I hope Grant makes an appearance. Dunno why he was omitted from the first 3 seasons, but he should at least play a role of some kind. Even if it’s just pointing Trevor/Alucard/Sypha in the right direction, his exclusion made no sense. And I’m not even a fan of his but I still acknowledge his role in the story, so the writers should do him justice too
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on April 15, 2021, 11:51:53 PM
I still haven't watched season 3 >_<
I will just wait for your reviews. Hahaha
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Gaawa-chan on April 16, 2021, 01:14:49 AM
I still haven't watched season 3 >_<
I will just wait for your reviews. Hahaha
Same.  The first two seasons were a mixed bag and then I heard... enough about the third season to know I wouldn't like it.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: GuyStarwind on April 16, 2021, 10:44:43 AM
Same.  The first two seasons were a mixed bag and then I heard... enough about the third season to know I wouldn't like it.
That was me too. But who knows about this season
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on April 16, 2021, 12:10:26 PM
I keep going between phases of "Yeah it's kinda cool" and "Fuck this travesty". I mean, animation and fanserice are cool, but my god did that fucker mess the story up. It's another universe, yeah cool, but even then it doesn't exactly work.
(Speaking of Ellis, is he still the writter after that controversy last year?)
But hey, there are days when I can overlook that and just enjoy the action.
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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: TatteredSeraph on April 16, 2021, 01:19:23 PM
Ellis has been fired.  Based on comments from Sam Deats on Twitter, it looks like they will be moving to a new generation of Belmonts.  He also hinted to not rule out Alucard, which is good.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on April 16, 2021, 03:28:57 PM
Huh, that's good news I guess. The rest of the team seems real passionate about the games. I'm just wondering how they'll wrap it up given that Ellisvania universe is different than the games. I'm hoping that they'll stick a bit closer to the series now that he's out of the picture but then again they can't just change it up too drasticaly since the series is the first exposure to Castlevania for many of its fans.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 16, 2021, 03:57:54 PM
Oo, Netflix told me Season 4 is coming May 13.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Darkmoon on April 16, 2021, 05:45:12 PM
I rather liked all three seasons, to be honest. Third season was weird but has potential to go somewhere with season four.
Title: prunyuu~
Post by: crisis on April 17, 2021, 12:59:30 PM
It is said that the next iteration will cover a different point in the timeline. I hope they feature Christiphen Belmont and his son Cirque du Soleil. There is a 15 year gap between CVAdventure & Revenge of Belmont, where Dracula is still alive, albeit weakened. They can do a lot with that time frame


Super Waffle
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 17, 2021, 01:22:24 PM
It would be great if they picked up on Christopher’s era next, but I’m not sure if they or the audience has the patience to wait until the days of Simon or Symphony of the Night.  I wouldn’t mind a trip backwards to Leon’s day.  Maybe they’ll pull a Lords of Shadow and take it to modern times.  I’d be pretty surprised if it wasn’t one of those options.  Wonder how different the art style and tone might be, assuming they go through with it.  Dracula might end up looking as different as he does between games.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Sindra on April 17, 2021, 05:02:37 PM
Doing CV1 and Simon's Quest makes sense for at least 2 seasons. Then, rolling into Rondo and then SotN to bring back Alucard and maybe set the stage for 1999 and Aria. So far though, Sam Deats has proven to be a true Castlevania fan with all the easter eggs, so has critical of the series as I've been so far, I'm excited to see what happens from here.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on April 17, 2021, 06:28:57 PM
I'f I had to put my bets it'd be either Simon or Alucard, Richter being the wild card. They're (afaik) fan favourites and producers know that.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 18, 2021, 01:35:31 PM
I just wish they’d make some multimedia spinoffs like comic books or novels to fill in some of the periods they’ll gloss over or give some more backstory on existing characters.
Title: prunyuu~
Post by: crisis on April 18, 2021, 02:08:37 PM
Well, as I’m sure you’re already aware, there have been attempts here n there to expand the lore with comics & stuff. The Belmont Legacy features Christoph’s experiences, although the artwork in my opinion was pretty awful

Then there were the mangas. I own both the Curse of Darkness mangas, which I believe serve as a mini-prequel to the game. There was supposed to be a 3rd entry but I believe it was cancelled.

There was also that Lament of Innocence prequel comic that was exclusive only to cellphones in Japan, and since that was released so long ago (2003 I think?), there was no one available to preserve it & obviously the service shut down a couple months after the game was released. We only know bits & pieces of the story but the complete “digital manga” is forever locked away in a Konami vault somewhere. It allegedly detailed the life of Matthias & Leon as friends in the early days.

I also remember the SotN prequel manga that they made, it wasn’t terribly lengthy but it was unique for the time. An ongoing manga series that emulates Ayami Kojima’s style has long been my dream. But we must rely on Super Waffle to tell these stories, he’s the only one that’s willing & able
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Hayoam on April 18, 2021, 02:22:59 PM
Well I'm not excited at all but as A Castlevania fan I need to see this through.
Title: Re: prunyuu~
Post by: Sindra on April 18, 2021, 02:52:09 PM
There was also that Lament of Innocence prequel comic that was exclusive only to cellphones in Japan, and since that was released so long ago (2003 I think?), there was no one available to preserve it & obviously the service shut down a couple months after the game was released. We only know bits & pieces of the story but the complete “digital manga” is forever locked away in a Konami vault somewhere. It allegedly detailed the life of Matthias & Leon as friends in the early days.

I totally forgot about this but it actually sounds like access to this phone comic was discontinued in 2012, so while it can't be accessed anymore, there should be phones out there who still have it downloaded. Just need that one person to dig their old phone out to dump the comic from.

The series has kind of faded a bit in Japan and really needs a shot in the arm from Konami to renew interest, unless Netflix fans in Japan really start putting the pressure on. Who knows that Moonlight Rhapsody will do in terms of interest in the series, so we have to hope that maybe interest in the new Getsu Fuma Den might mean future titles and future storybuilding.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on April 18, 2021, 07:45:03 PM
I heard that this is also supposed to be the final season of the show, which, in my opinion, just further ultimately cements the whole thing as a failure. There is absolutely no way to coherently do the entire rest of the story that is to come justice in any way in just like, what, a dozen episodes? Especially given how the third season did absolutely nothing to further the actual plot, either the original one from the games or even the internal, alternate universe plot of the show.
Title: Re: prunyuu~
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 18, 2021, 09:39:32 PM
Well, as I’m sure you’re already aware, there have been attempts here n there to expand the lore with comics & stuff.
Right, I mean something tied in with the Netflix animation.  Nothing else fiction-wise has come out since the Netflix show started.  Would be nice if someone tapped into the renewed interest in the franchise that the Netflix has given it.  I’d love it if Udon drew some stuff in the style of the Netflix show for one thing.  I follow most of their fighter game comics.  Heck Warren Ellis does comics, it would have been nice to see him involved with something while he was still attached.

Back to the animation.  Hope we get to see some skeletons in season 4 or the next show.  Gotta see a band of skeletons raise a village at some point.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Super Waffle on April 18, 2021, 11:41:01 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Ga1WF0z.jpg

crisis wtf r u doin?
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 19, 2021, 07:52:08 AM
Here’s a teaser trailor for Season 4.  Sounds like Carmilla is getting more ambitious.  Plus can’t help but notice a town of “Danesti”.

https://youtu.be/_dW1FdL1AiY
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: VladOfWallachia on April 19, 2021, 09:18:13 AM
If I had to guess, this will be the final season... the fallout with the writer being a big reason, but its hard to say since the show seems to be very successful in terms of viewership. If the show continues to a 5th season, I'm in agreement that the show needs a reset with a new Belmont, in a new era. I would vote Simon, but with how much Alucard takes the spotlight, I would guess they would jump straight to Rondo and SotN.

It's been an interesting and bumpy ride so far, and my enthusiasm has declined with each season, but I'll tune in for season 4. My main concern is that each season has felt less like Castlevania than the one before, and there wasn't much at the end of season 3 to entice me as a Castlevania fan to look forward to more. If anything I'll tune in to appreciate the art and animation, one aspect of the show that I think has remained strong throughout.

Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 19, 2021, 10:57:00 AM
If I had to guess, this will be the final season... the fallout with the writer being a big reason, but its hard to say since the show seems to be very successful in terms of viewership. If the show continues to a 5th season, I'm in agreement that the show needs a reset with a new Belmont, in a new era. I would vote Simon, but with how much Alucard takes the spotlight, I would guess they would jump straight to Rondo and SotN.
It has been confirmed that this will be the last season.  However, Netflix has expressed interest in a follow up series set in the same universe with a different cast, though nothing confirmed.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on April 21, 2021, 06:15:11 PM
I really fucking hope it's not Simon. He's badass and that's great but basically everything surrounding him will be made up from scratch.

I'd prefer DXC, Aria or Ecclesia.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Bloo on April 21, 2021, 08:15:40 PM
I mean, the Dracula X / Symphony story arc would be the logical follow up to CV3's story. Have one season dedicated to Rondo and 2-3 dedicated to Symphony.

It's either that or the 1999 story. I don't think fans will want anything that doesn't have Alucard at this point.
Title: Super Waffle
Post by: crisis on April 21, 2021, 10:43:43 PM
Castlevania Adventure/Belmont’s Revenge all the way. Christopher is probably the least-known Belmont amongst casual fans & his story can bring in a lot of new fans. They can do so much with it

He was the first Belmont to fight Dracula after his death by Trevor. And then he defeats him again while being middle aged & way passed his prime, all while trying to rescue his possessed son. And the series can cover various locations since he visits several castles during his journey. He deserves more respect for what he’s been through
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: AlexCalvo on April 23, 2021, 07:59:12 AM
I think anyone that believes it's going to be anything that deosn't involve Alucard is kidding themselves at this point. So I hope it's SoTN, 1999, or Aria/Dawn, because I absolutely believe they'd be willing to insert him somewhere else to give us something like and Alucard Simon team up, or an Alucard/Shanoa ship.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Bloo on April 23, 2021, 08:46:16 PM
1 season Legends interlude. Why not. It's already an alternate canon.

Edit: remembered why she was retconned, cause the years don't line up with trevor's birth and whatnot. But they could just place it in a slightly different era since it's not a huggeeeee deal. But it's got a strong female lead, incredibly diverse environments, and True Alucard Romance.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 23, 2021, 10:03:23 PM
i’d love to see some shots of Sonia saving young Trevor from the fate of many of his kin.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: X on April 24, 2021, 09:09:08 AM
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Edit: remembered why she was retconned, cause the years don't line up with trevor's birth and whatnot.

It somewhat did originally. Legends was 1450 while the original CV timeline put CVIII in 1492. More then enough time for Trevor to reach maturity before hunting Dracula. Then IGA made his timeline along with retconning Legends and put out LoI.
Title: Re: Super Waffle
Post by: SecretWeapon on April 24, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
Castlevania Adventure/Belmont’s Revenge all the way. Christopher is probably the least-known Belmont amongst casual fans & his story can bring in a lot of new fans. They can do so much with it

He was the first Belmont to fight Dracula after his death by Trevor. And then he defeats him again while being middle aged & way passed his prime, all while trying to rescue his possessed son. And the series can cover various locations since he visits several castles during his journey. He deserves more respect for what he’s been through

i was found dead of boredom after reading this post, i'm writing this message as a ghost.

I think both Cristopher and Simon stories would both be lackluster anime series. They're too small. The games that would translate better to a series are:


and sadly... PoR and LoS too. Maybe HoD, Bloodlines and CotM if they get expansions like CV3 did. Everything else suits movies better.
Title: Re: Super Waffle
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 24, 2021, 12:38:29 PM
This seems to be the last chance to add the characters Grant (city name is Danesty promising), Rosaly, and Julia.  Maybe Zead too, but he could always come along in a later series as could most bosses.  It’d be surprising if they threw in Angela or Lyudmil.
Title: Re: Super Waffle
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 25, 2021, 06:30:01 PM
This seems to be the last chance to add the characters Grant (city name is Danesty promising), Rosaly, and Julia.  Maybe Zead too, but he could always come along in a later series as could most bosses.  It’d be surprising if they threw in Angela or Lyudmil.
I'm kinda even wondering if they even plan on going over the events of Curse of Darkness. I wouldn't be surprised if they just retcon it altogether. The animated series take on Isaac is totally different than CoD's Isaac (who was Julia's brother). Season 4 just looks like it plans to conclude the scenarios/paths introduced in season 3 where all paths come together (Carmilla's war to take the humans as stock using Hector's devil forging abilities to help her army, Isaac's demon army arriving back in Eastern Europe with eyes set on Hector, Trevor + Sypha's continuing adventures no doubt coming across both of these forces, as well as Alucard and Saint Germain returning). I can guess out of all those characters listed, Grant's the most likeliest to appear (given the reference to a town called Danesti).
Title: Re: Super Waffle
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 25, 2021, 09:21:04 PM
I'm kinda even wondering if they even plan on going over the events of Curse of Darkness. I wouldn't be surprised if they just retcon it altogether.
The only part of CoD that I’m expecting is a somewhat early return of Dracula, only to be snuffed out again for another hundred years.  I doubt the Devil Forgemasters would be potential new bodies for him, but you never know.  I’m hoping Death/Zead has something to do with it, but I dunno, end of Season 3 made it seem like all you had to do was snatch him out of the Infinite Corridore, but we’ll see.

Isaac seeking vengeance for Dracula is at least following CoD.  I’ll be keeping an eye out to see if Isaac kills Lenore and if so, if it would cause Hector to have a moment of vengeance on him.  It’d be pretty sick if that happens, but some people can get quite attached to their abusers, and who knows what kind of effect the spell she put on him might have.

I’m also expecting Alucard to decide to get that long nap in after all, ha.
Title: Waffles?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on April 26, 2021, 07:11:08 PM
I have nothing worth contributing, except to say that season 3 was pretty boring and I only got an episode or two in, so I guess I'd better finish it so's to see season 4.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: AlexCalvo on April 27, 2021, 07:24:19 PM
It somewhat did originally. Legends was 1450 while the original CV timeline put CVIII in 1492. More then enough time for Trevor to reach maturity before hunting Dracula. Then IGA made his timeline along with retconning Legends and put out LoI.
Wrong on several counts. First of all, Iga's timeline, as well as Dracula's grave in Simon's Quest, place Cv3's date at 1476. I have no idea where you came up with 1492.

Also yes, Legends did originally contradict the timeline. It has Alucard as a full grown man at a time when his own mother would like be a preteen girl, at the oldest. That's only one example, there are others.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: X on April 28, 2021, 10:17:17 AM
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Wrong on several counts. First of all, Iga's timeline, as well as Dracula's grave in Simon's Quest, place Cv3's date at 1476. I have no idea where you came up with 1492.

I Forgot about the CVII tombstone. But that's when he was still human; from his birth to when he was assassinated. It was only in CoD that we learn that it was Trevor who assassinated Vlad but I still don't buy that. The game was shoehorned and it was a shoehorned explanation at best.

CVIII wasn't out yet when CVII was still fresh in our minds so the game's scenario/story was never established yet. True, IGA's reissue of the timeline of CVIII put it in 1476. However it was Konami that put out 1492 as its previous time. I'm just reiterating the info, you can take it up with them. And if I'm not mistaken, from what I saw Konami also changed Legends' place in the timeline putting it around 1472 rather then 1450. Much closer to CVIII then before and a bit more probable for some story elements. Again that was before IGA made his personal choice changes.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: AlexCalvo on April 29, 2021, 11:19:37 AM
I Forgot about the CVII tombstone. But that's when he was still human; from his birth to when he was assassinated. It was only in CoD that we learn that it was Trevor who assassinated Vlad but I still don't buy that. The game was shoehorned and it was a shoehorned explanation at best.

CVIII wasn't out yet when CVII was still fresh in our minds so the game's scenario/story was never established yet. True, IGA's reissue of the timeline of CVIII put it in 1476. However it was Konami that put out 1492 as its previous time. I'm just reiterating the info, you can take it up with them. And if I'm not mistaken, from what I saw Konami also changed Legends' place in the timeline putting it around 1472 rather then 1450. Much closer to CVIII then before and a bit more probable for some story elements. Again that was before IGA made his personal choice changes.
Where are you getting this info about Konami placing Cv3 in 1492, and moving Legends to 1472? I have never seen that anywhere in almost 30 years of following this franchise. It sounds more like you have an axe to grind against Iga with all these "personal decision" qualifiers..

Castlevania 3 shows us Dracula's first death, and Simon's Quest already established that as having happened in 1476. It's not an Iga personal decision, it's respecting the continuity of previous games. Dracula never died before Cv3, there's no reason to put any other date on his gravestone.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on April 29, 2021, 01:53:12 PM
New Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7iWXfZzEMc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7iWXfZzEMc)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: GuyStarwind on April 29, 2021, 02:52:16 PM
Hmm, so new person in charge and a new cast? Well, maybe depending on what they do I could get back into it.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on April 29, 2021, 04:22:08 PM
I dislike how they gave Alucard his SotN attire. They should’ve gave him an original outfit that was appropriate to the time period, but whatevs

I hope that voice at the end of the trailer is Death
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: X on April 29, 2021, 05:14:45 PM
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Where are you getting this info about Konami placing Cv3 in 1492, and moving Legends to 1472?

The Dungeon here used to have to Konami timeline before IGA made his, then it was corrected after the fact. I still remember some of the dates but that's about it.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 29, 2021, 06:33:38 PM
Looks like season 4’s gonna be a blast!

Oh sweet, that’s got to be Abel at 1:47.  Looking forward to Death’s big debut.  And skeletons!
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on April 30, 2021, 07:55:59 AM
omg my wig flew. What a trailer. Carmilla seems to have gone full LoS1 too, clothing wise
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: GuyStarwind on April 30, 2021, 03:04:43 PM
Yeah, the new trailer looked like it could be good. I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 01, 2021, 06:27:25 AM
Alucard’s shield looms large in the trailer.  I have to wonder if there’s a story behind it.  Since it’s an heirloom from his mother’s side of the family, I wonder if the people he’s helping in this season are actually relatives on his human side which leads to him claiming his inheritance.  That would be a marvelous thing to explore.  And now I’m wondering who his mother’s family might be and if they have any ties to the Lecarde family.

EDIT:  Rewatched the trailer to see if it fit this theory, and the woman he talked to had a bit darker skin than what I would expect Lisa’s family to have.  But I still have to wonder if there’s a story about her family in here somewhere.

NEW THOUGHT:  I wonder if they’ll be going for the same demographic in the successor series?  What if they decided to make a Portrait of Ruin animation aimed at older teens or even children?  They could place it in the same universe, but the original MA series wouldn’t need to be required watching for this audience if they explained what you needed to know.  Or would that be asking for trouble haha.  Star Tek Prodigy and Star Trek Discovery exist in the same universe yet have different target audiences.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on May 01, 2021, 04:34:27 PM
They should make a completely original story, set perhaps a century after Leon or Trevor. People say they should adapt Rondo or Symphony because they’re the “most popular,” but if/when they butcher the story or take some creative liberties here ‘n there, people will lose their minds. Just look at the reactions to their adaptation of Dracula’s Curse/Curse of Darkness. It’s barely tolerated here lol

At least with a new narrative, they can basically do whatever they want with brand new characters; they don’t have to necessarily adhere to preconceived notions of the fanbase so strictly
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 01, 2021, 07:19:00 PM
you're the minority. hope they go for Rondo
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on May 01, 2021, 08:03:00 PM
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you're the minority. hope they go for Rondo

And when they start changing stuff within Rondo’s plot & introduce elements that you’re unfamiliar or disagree with, don’t complain
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 01, 2021, 10:47:35 PM
The trailer is something! It's interesting.

But before I'll watch season 4, I'll wait for everyone's comments first.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 02, 2021, 12:38:00 PM
And when they start changing stuff within Rondo’s plot & introduce elements that you’re unfamiliar or disagree with, don’t complain

don't worry, i'm a bitch but not that sort
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Bloo on May 02, 2021, 09:55:13 PM
Regardless of what they do, the creators of the show have done the unthinkable task of adapting Castlevania into something modern audiences like. I thank them for that and for giving new blood to the series.
None of what they produced can objectively be seen as bad, and it seems like they're actually integrating more elements from the games as time goes on.
I have full confidence that anything they put out will be, at least, entertaining.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: angevil on May 03, 2021, 12:10:38 AM
I would like to see a spin-off series about 1999 war, Julius and also the whole Soma Cruz story. Alucard would also be present in it.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: DJ_BORG on May 03, 2021, 01:34:20 PM
I'm sorry for being kinda a letdown, but absolutely NO amount of "easter eggs" or pretty looking animation I think will save Season 4. Game of Thrones Vampire Edition may be Castlevania in style, but I don't think it will ever be in substance. Netflixvania is supposed to be “based on/inspired by the game”. Now, unless a series is in the public domain, the copyright holder has the rights to disagree on a portrayal of the characters or the plot - which was why IGA fervently refused the animated film written by Ellis in the late 2000s the first place (since most of the characterizations used in the game was fleshed out by IGA and is why Season 1 is the most Castlevaniaish). Unfortunately, due to the fact that IGA left Konami, they agreed to whatever Shankar wanted for that sweet cash. In this case Vampire Game of Thrones. When you deal with an established fiction, you will have to at least adhere to the true characterization of the characters - this is the bare minimum. No movie based on a true story that uses the REAL identities of the original persons change their characters. They may exaggerate their reaction and the events they faced, but never the base characters. Otherwise, why do you even call it “based on”? There is nothing you base on except visuals - that are not even entirely accurate since they nitpick the characters that they decided to translate into Netflixvania based on whatever the fuck they please (in this case they're all edgy, horny, sarcastic assholes who don't set a tone other than no one cares what's going on). All this and the fact that S3 was poorly-paced, with mediocre and linear plot aside from the "oh my gosh what a shock gimmick" at the last 2 episodes is what makes me think this season is gonna be worse.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: C Belmont on May 03, 2021, 06:59:13 PM
Yeah I don't understand why so many people are quick to call the Netflix series the best video game adaptation of all time when the show hasn’t done a much better job at adapting its source material than anything that has come before it. I suppose if your only criteria for a good adaptation is that it's watchable you could call it that.
 
Personally I'm kind of hoping that when Netflix say they plan on making a new series in the same universe it's just them being clever and it's not even related to Castlevania. If you take the infinite corridor into consideration a new series set in the same universe could technically be any number of things.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 05, 2021, 06:35:36 AM
New season four interview and images.

https://butwhythopodcast.com/2021/05/04/interview-the-castlevania-journey-with-sam-and-adam-deats/
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on May 05, 2021, 12:26:15 PM
I'm sorry for being kinda a letdown, but absolutely NO amount of "easter eggs" or pretty looking animation I think will save Season 4. Game of Thrones Vampire Edition may be Castlevania in style, but I don't think it will ever be in substance. Netflixvania is supposed to be “based on/inspired by the game”. Now, unless a series is in the public domain, the copyright holder has the rights to disagree on a portrayal of the characters or the plot - which was why IGA fervently refused the animated film written by Ellis in the late 2000s the first place (since most of the characterizations used in the game was fleshed out by IGA and is why Season 1 is the most Castlevaniaish). Unfortunately, due to the fact that IGA left Konami, they agreed to whatever Shankar wanted for that sweet cash. In this case Vampire Game of Thrones. When you deal with an established fiction, you will have to at least adhere to the true characterization of the characters - this is the bare minimum. No movie based on a true story that uses the REAL identities of the original persons change their characters. They may exaggerate their reaction and the events they faced, but never the base characters. Otherwise, why do you even call it “based on”? There is nothing you base on except visuals - that are not even entirely accurate since they nitpick the characters that they decided to translate into Netflixvania based on whatever the fuck they please (in this case they're all edgy, horny, sarcastic assholes who don't set a tone other than no one cares what's going on). All this and the fact that S3 was poorly-paced, with mediocre and linear plot aside from the "oh my gosh what a shock gimmick" at the last 2 episodes is what makes me think this season is gonna be worse.

My opinion precisely. If you copy only the visuals, then why even bother calling it by the name it is supposedly based on? At that point, if you adhere to so very little what made the thing good and unique in the first place, a completely new thing of your own creation would serve the purpose better.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on May 07, 2021, 06:23:36 PM

The Infinite Corridor was interesting but I don’t think they even know what it really is either lol. I recall reading a theory that 1 of the worlds featured was supposed to be an homage to Metal Gear? Another 1 shows what appears to be a Mayan kingdom, not really sure. Maybe they told the staff “let your imagination run wild” when animating that scene


Personally (please don’t viciously attack me for this, it’s just my personal opinion lol), I don’t feel this adaptation has been “harmful” to the series, because to be honest, the series has lost its way a long, long time ago, before season 1 even started production. I wasn’t a fan of the show in the beginning either but I gradually warmed up to it. I want to see how the narrative ends
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 08, 2021, 07:26:32 AM
New characters:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/castlevania-season-4-cast-additions-voice-actors-netflix-anime/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/castlevania-season-4-cast-additions-voice-actors-netflix-anime/)

New Dracula art:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/castlevania-final-season-new-netflix-dracula-art/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/castlevania-final-season-new-netflix-dracula-art/)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Necklace of J on May 08, 2021, 05:30:45 PM
I'm sorry for being kinda a letdown, but absolutely NO amount of "easter eggs" or pretty looking animation I think will save Season 4. Game of Thrones Vampire Edition may be Castlevania in style, but I don't think it will ever be in substance. Netflixvania is supposed to be “based on/inspired by the game”. Now, unless a series is in the public domain, the copyright holder has the rights to disagree on a portrayal of the characters or the plot - which was why IGA fervently refused the animated film written by Ellis in the late 2000s the first place (since most of the characterizations used in the game was fleshed out by IGA and is why Season 1 is the most Castlevaniaish). Unfortunately, due to the fact that IGA left Konami, they agreed to whatever Shankar wanted for that sweet cash. In this case Vampire Game of Thrones. When you deal with an established fiction, you will have to at least adhere to the true characterization of the characters - this is the bare minimum. No movie based on a true story that uses the REAL identities of the original persons change their characters. They may exaggerate their reaction and the events they faced, but never the base characters. Otherwise, why do you even call it “based on”? There is nothing you base on except visuals - that are not even entirely accurate since they nitpick the characters that they decided to translate into Netflixvania based on whatever the fuck they please (in this case they're all edgy, horny, sarcastic assholes who don't set a tone other than no one cares what's going on). All this and the fact that S3 was poorly-paced, with mediocre and linear plot aside from the "oh my gosh what a shock gimmick" at the last 2 episodes is what makes me think this season is gonna be worse.
Yeah I don't understand why so many people are quick to call the Netflix series the best video game adaptation of all time when the show hasn’t done a much better job at adapting its source material than anything that has come before it. I suppose if your only criteria for a good adaptation is that it's watchable you could call it that.
 
Personally I'm kind of hoping that when Netflix say they plan on making a new series in the same universe it's just them being clever and it's not even related to Castlevania. If you take the infinite corridor into consideration a new series set in the same universe could technically be any number of things.
My opinion precisely. If you copy only the visuals, then why even bother calling it by the name it is supposedly based on? At that point, if you adhere to so very little what made the thing good and unique in the first place, a completely new thing of your own creation would serve the purpose better.

My sentiments exactly. I've been sleeping on Netflixvania until I decided to watch it last year, and I wish I never watched it. In my opinion, this is the absolutely worst thing that happened to the franchise. Judgement was bad, Lords of Shadow was boring and disappointing and didn't feel like Castlevania, pachislot games I tolerated, but Netflixvania I hate with a passion.

First of all, the audio mastering was absolutely terrible, with voices being too quiet and sound effects being way too loud. I think this is the first time when I decided to watch something and changed the original English voiceover to a dub in another language just because of how bad the balancing of voices and SFX was. Also, speaking of sound, the music was very generic and not memorable.
The animation was fine, but nothing really made me surprised or excited. Design of some familiar characters from the games was okay (namely Trevor, Sypha, Alucard, Dracula, Lisa and Hector), but the monster design was forgettable; aside from Cyclops in Season 1 (and only because it's based on a moment from the game), I can't remember any monster design that stood out.

Season 1 was kinda good, if you ignore all the unnecessary vulgar jokes and swearing (which is simply unfitting for Castlevania). Some of the moments from the games were there (although somewhat altered), and they were pretty good. However, where's Grant? (Though in hindsight, I'm glad they didn't include him and ruin him like the others.)
One of the main problems with this series through all seasons is that most characters feel of the same personality type - everyone tries way too hard to be funny, vulgar and sarcastic; you just can't take this whole thing seriously. No character comes even close to their video game counterparts in terms of charisma, elegance or variety.

Season 2 was a boring GoT clone with lots and lots of talking and not much happening, with a bunch of unnecessary original characters with zero personality added to the mix. Many characters from the games didn't feel, act or talk like their selves, too (main trio, Hector, Isaac, Carmilla, etc). Also, more swearing, vulgarity and stupidity.
Dracula's character made a 180 degree turn, and since he does nothing just because, the conflict with Carmilla is basically concocted out of thin air just to be there (Carmilla, who always was loyal to Dracula in every mainline game she appeared in; and Dracula doesn't notice her machinations under his nose, how convenient). Why even have all those "generals" if you're not going to use them? (And none of them is Death, Elizabeth Bathory, Count Orlock or Gilles de Rais; what a missed opportunity.)
Also, Godbrand is the stupidest character I've seen in a while. A viking vampire, seriously? They couldn't find a way to add Grant, but this got a pass? And the fact that he was originally supposed to be named "Mathias Cronqvist" just because the writer liked the sounding of the name shows just how laughably bad Warren Ellis misunderstands the lore of the franchise. (Also, I remember Ellis saying how "Grant Danasty is a stupid name that cannot be taken seriously", but "Godbrand" isn't a stupid name? What a joke.)
I liked that they added Hector and Isaac at first, but I didn't recognize them as the same characters I know and love from Curse of Darkness. The way Hector got captured was so dumb. Also, why make Isaac black? If you wanted to add Isaac so much, just keep to the original design and story, and hire Liam O'Brien to make a comeback voiceover - that's how you win over the fans!
Bloody Tears and easter eggs were nice, but they can't save the whole thing. Also, Morning Star but not the Vampire Killer? Seriously?

Season 3 was not only boring and all over the place filler, but insulting in some ways. Even more swearing, vulgarity, stupidity and unnecessary sex scenes (though Trevor and Sypha would be an exception I'm okay with).
Alucard, a tragic character who becomes the guardian angel of mankind from his father in the mainline games, loses his mind in just a month, smashes his "back door" with some noname vampire hunters from Japan and then kills them, impaling their bodies at the castle entrance, basically following steps of his father. What? ("Because girls and gay men need fan service too"? Fuck off, Ellis.)
The way Hector got treated - nuff said.
A literally who named Lenore instead of Laura, an already established servant of Carmilla from the games. The amount of people simping for her just because "ooh so cute, sex with a hot vampire girl hu-huh" is sickening.
Isaac was the best part, but his dialog felt pretentious, and the moment with "ya'll so rude" was just laughable at how badly it's written and presented.
Saint Germain is another missed opportunity, and him saying "fuck" with a deadpan face literally made me facepalm.
Even more uninteresting original characters, etc.

It's funny and ironic how EROTIC VIOLENCE pachislot felt more like Castlevania and had more class than this mess.

The writing of Netflixvania is on the level of a bad fanfic written by an angsty teenager, but the irony is that it can't even be called a fanfic, as Warren Ellis isn't even a fan of Castlevania (his knowledge of the series is literally reading some Wikipedia articles and fan pages, and that's it). How talentless of a writer you have to be to not manage to include one of the main characters from the original cast, AND make jokes about him left and right just because you misunderstood him (Grant wasn't even a pirate in the Japanese original, keep trusting wiki pages more, where anyone can edit them and make shit up; btw, where's King Poltergeist in the Netflix series?). He didn't bother to properly research the source material back then in 2007, and he didn't do any homework 10 years later. Season 1 was good only because IGA forced Ellis to re-write it EIGHT times (that fact says a lot).
Fuck cancel culture, but in case of Ellis, this is a rare exception where I wish he got cancelled earlier (preferrably at the time of the release of the first season, as at that time, there at least was a chance to somehow salvage it). I just can't comprehend how he got the position of a writer for a Castlevania animated series, when he doesn't know anything about the franchise and doesn't care about it. Thanks a lot for bringing him back, Shankar, thanks a fucking lot.

I will probably watch Season 4, but I bet I will hate it too (the swearing is back, and there's already a bunch of original characters revealed I don't care about).
Even without Warren Ellis, I don't expect anything good to come after this. I hope the morning sun vanquishes this horrible night, and Netflix will trouble the soul Castlevania series no more.
This whole thing is a huge disappointment and a wasted opportunity. There were waaay too many unnecessary and badly presented liberties taken by people who are incompetent in terms of knowledge about the source material (which is a common problem with "reboots", "reimaginings" and such nowadays; just look at new Battletoads or Double Dragon Neon and River City Girls from Wayforward, it's awful).

Was it really that hard to make it simple and stick to what was happening in the games? Just introduce the characters in a couple of episodes, and make each episode after that a "stage" with the focus on each new outside/castle location and action scenes with familiar monster designs and bosses from the game at the end of each episode. (Or better yet, don't drag it through multiple seasons, and just make it a 3 movie-length OVA, as it was originally planned.) The castle itself always was a character on its own, with so many memorable locations and monsters in each game, and it's nothing like that in Netflixvania. Keep the dialog serious in a melodramatic tone (also, there's no need for extensive amounts of dialog; sometimes less is more) and keep the tone and aesthetics this game series is known for, while having arrangements of game music as the soundtrack. Maybe even snuck in some references to Hammer horror films or The Castle of Cagliostro, which inspired some of the stage backgrounds of the original Castlevania 3. But no, all these opportunities went right down the toilet.
No amount of easter eggs and fan service can save this thing, and I hope it dies as soon as possible. It boring, uninteresting, edgy, doesn't have the same class and tone the franchise is known for and strays way too far off from the source material. They should've just created an original IP instead. It's shocking how garbage like this managed to get so much praise. Best video game adaptation my ass.

I'm sorry if my rant was a bit harsh, but that's just how I feel. If anyone liked Netflixvania - that's fine, more power to you, but as a big fan of the mainline games, I don't consider it as Castlevania, I hate it and want to forget about it. The only redeeming factor I can think of is that maybe some of the newcomers whose introducton to the franchise was the Netflix series will show interest and play the original games, and because of that Konami might make a new good game, but who knows, time will tell.
I need to watch some Hellsing and Vampire Hunter D now.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 08, 2021, 07:25:10 PM
i think the images from the IC are from other stuff from Powerhouse Animation
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 09, 2021, 08:56:13 AM
We'll see how it goes. Gotta wrap up the CoD story.

From there who knows. Simon is always a really safe bet, he will always be the "mascot" of the franchise with his Conan looking ass. Though I fear they will shoehorn Alucard into every series no matter the Belmont
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 10, 2021, 06:42:28 PM
New interview:

https://www.monstersandcritics.com/anime/castlevania-season-4-interview-with-producer-kevin-kolde/ (https://www.monstersandcritics.com/anime/castlevania-season-4-interview-with-producer-kevin-kolde/)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: EstebanT on May 10, 2021, 08:59:44 PM
Every time they mention Grant it boils my blood.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 10, 2021, 09:34:37 PM
From those comments, i highly doubt they'd go for Christopher or Simon for Castlevania 2. Again, i feel like they suit a movie better (unless you really want an OC fest)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: DraculaFan1981 on May 10, 2021, 10:53:35 PM
From those comments, i highly doubt they'd go for Christopher or Simon for Castlevania 2. Again, i feel like they suit a movie better (unless you really want an OC fest)

If Adi Shankar is still involved or takes control of the project back, we might get a loose adapation of Aria of Sorrow.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 11, 2021, 09:48:05 AM
Is it really that hard to include Grant in a story where they are already basically rewriting everyone and everything carte blanche? Really? not even as a bit part or namedrop?

It's genuinely like taking Street Fighter and saying "you know, we don't really need Ken or Chun Li, let's get rid of them"

He's a main character from the game


Even Lords of Shadow at least acknowledged him in the 3DS game with a nod in one of the knight scrolls
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Belmontoya on May 11, 2021, 10:14:41 AM
It could be worse. They could throw a guy named Cole in it for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on May 11, 2021, 11:16:23 AM
Well, they did trow in Ratko and Dragan which might not mean jackshit to you, but as someone from Balkans those are some of the stupidest oldtimey names we have. But it's stupid in an endearing way. I'm gonna watch them with a wide grin as long as they don't butcher the pronounciation of their names.

Grant deserved much better tho :(
He's like the punching bag of the franchise, Lords of Shadow reduced him to a rando knight and in one of the Pachikovanias they didn't even bother modeling him and just showed his NES sprite or some shit, can't remember rn tho
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on May 11, 2021, 03:50:52 PM
New interview:

https://www.monstersandcritics.com/anime/castlevania-season-4-interview-with-producer-kevin-kolde/ (https://www.monstersandcritics.com/anime/castlevania-season-4-interview-with-producer-kevin-kolde/)

That's a lot of non-answers. Understandable but eh.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 11, 2021, 05:51:55 PM
Is it really that hard to include Grant in a story where they are already basically rewriting everyone and everything carte blanche? Really? not even as a bit part or namedrop?

It's genuinely like taking Street Fighter and saying "you know, we don't really need Ken or Chun Li, let's get rid of them"

He's a main character from the game


Even Lords of Shadow at least acknowledged him in the 3DS game with a nod in one of the knight scrolls

I think the “Pirate of the Roads” guy who put wheels on his boat is the closest thing we’re getting to a namedrop.  It’s a shame that after four seasons they couldn’t squeeze in a part for him.  I appreciate at least that reference though.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on May 11, 2021, 08:58:39 PM
I think the “Pirate of the Roads” guy who put wheels on his boat is the closest thing we’re getting to a namedrop.  It’s a shame that after four seasons they couldn’t squeeze in a part for him.  I appreciate at least that reference though.

Here's my guess:

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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 12, 2021, 10:56:56 AM
Here's my guess:

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Yeah, there do seem to be some hints that he might show up in season 4.  Maybe they’re trying to lower our expectations so that we freak out when we see him.

Oh my, with it being released tomorrow, the season 4 reviews have started coming out.  I won’t read them though, and this is about the time I drop out of the conversation until I’ve watched it all. This will be a while from now, because I like to take my time and savor shows I really like.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/castlevania-season-four-review/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/castlevania-season-four-review/)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Bloo on May 12, 2021, 08:05:17 PM
Grant deserved much better tho :(
He's like the punching bag of the franchise, Lords of Shadow reduced him to a rando knight and in one of the Pachikovanias they didn't even bother modeling him and just showed his NES sprite or some shit, can't remember rn tho

(https://i.imgur.com/Fgt66oz.png)

yeah i did a ctrl+f and read through the part of the interview about grant. it made me pretty damn sad how they didn't even give a reason. just, "hes not in the show!!!!"
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on May 13, 2021, 03:38:30 PM
4 episodes into the new season, and, without reading too much of this thread, I'm cautiously optimistic. I stand by what I said about Season 3: above all the character deviations, the worst part was that it went nowhere because it was too busy setting up the NEXT season to go somewhere.

And at the very least it feels like that journey is now underway.

Also Saint Germain's tux showed up. Squee.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 13, 2021, 04:36:15 PM
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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Aceearly1993 on May 13, 2021, 04:45:02 PM
Well anyway, I like how the main cast ended up being in this season, although Carmilla's final scenes could be treated better than how
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I also like how Saint Germain looks a tad bit similar to Dawn of Sorrow Julius during his flashbacks.

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Well there's a random monster who roughly resembles this incarnation of him
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Still Grant could be treated a lot better than these.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Gunlord on May 13, 2021, 07:27:49 PM
Urgh, I gotta rant, and maybe I did so before, but is anyone else angy about that one knight being a ripoff of Artorias from Dark Souls? Why couldn't they have used a CV knight, like even the owl night woulda been more faithful to the games than Artorias.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: The Puritan on May 14, 2021, 03:59:11 AM
The
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was the best moment of this season, and almost made up for all the source material deviations I disliked starting Season 2. For a few minutes, everything truly felt like Castlevania. And although I knew this was the final season, I still hoped we'd get an ending that moved everything closer to the status quo of the games i.e. setting up the Belmonts' eternal war with Dracula. Because that's what Castlevania is all about, right?

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As Alucard says, "It's been a strange ride. I'm happy it's over." I definitely did not hate all of this adaptation; I'd watch it again in fact. But I'd stop at the end of Season 1 and just imagine that everything afterward follows the games we know and love.

Now if you'll excuse me, imma get off this soapbox and go back to pining for new games.  :'(
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: VladOfWallachia on May 14, 2021, 10:08:05 AM
Finished season 4. Not much I want to say but

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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on May 14, 2021, 04:04:22 PM
As Alucard says, "It's been a strange ride. I'm happy it's over." I definitely did not hate all of this adaptation; I'd watch it again in fact.
I agree. It was fun. But not the kind of fun I'll want to revisit in some time.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 14, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
So, is this last season worth the watch? I skipped season 3 after I heard all the things in it. You do you but please Castlevania is a story about fighting monsters in a giant castle.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 15, 2021, 01:52:12 AM
I definitely enjoyed it more than Season 3 myself.

I hold by my ideas that this sort of thing would be way better served as a movie, or fewer, but longer, episodes, like an OVA.

As someone who liked Lords of Shadow, my take is always that it's interesting to see where they go with the source material.

Super super spoilery thoughts ahead:

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Overall, better than Season 3, way better- In fact, You could say it feels like 3 and 4 should've been one long season, with some of the inbetween cut out.

I do definitely hope they do more. I'm not expecting a whole animated franchise out of this or anything, but overall, I was pleased enough with the whole thing that I would be curious enough to want more at some point. Taking the story up a hundred or two hundred years later.

Hopefully slightly smoother animation when we get there.

final thought which bugged me:

What the fuck was with
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Title: Bacon egg & cheese
Post by: crisis on May 15, 2021, 07:56:59 AM
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I do definitely hope they do more. I'm not expecting a whole animated franchise out of this or anything, but overall, I was pleased enough with the whole thing that I would be curious enough to want more at some point. Taking the story up a hundred or two hundred years later.

Me am feel the same way. Me am happy Castlevania is being talked about again. Aside from Simon & Richtopher inclusions in The Smash Brothers & like a couple random digital releases, the series hasn’t had any real attention whatsoever.

For all it’s flaws at least they didn’t turn Trevor into Alucard & make Dracula a Belmont..........
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: nokundhi on May 15, 2021, 06:42:58 PM
Once again I have to give credit to the art which was fantastic this season. Unfortunately the same can't be said of the dialogue and story... is it too much to ask for writing that doesn't sound like an edgy rendition of mahvel movies?
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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Sindra on May 16, 2021, 01:49:01 PM
So, is this last season worth the watch? I skipped season 3 after I heard all the things in it. You do you but please Castlevania is a story about fighting monsters in a giant castle.

If you skipped season 3, you might as well skip season 4 also. There's not much new you're going to get from things. I've honestly told people who are more interested in the parts of the show that were more in-line with the games to just stop after season 2, and pretend Alucard went into his eternal slumber in his coffin and that Hector wasn't kidnapped and fucked off to somewhere quiet. The end.

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I'm glad it's done and over with. I'm glad some people enjoyed it and hope it leads to continued interest in the games and the rest of the series enough to get Konami to finally make a new game that isn't a Chinese knockoff exclusive. Other than that, maybe if they do a spin-off with Simon, they'll hopefully have a better writer than Ellis.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 16, 2021, 10:25:54 PM
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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 17, 2021, 08:55:12 AM
If you skipped season 3, you might as well skip season 4 also. There's not much new you're going to get from things. I've honestly told people who are more interested in the parts of the show that were more in-line with the games to just stop after season 2, and pretend Alucard went into his eternal slumber in his coffin and that Hector wasn't kidnapped and fucked off to somewhere quiet. The end.
Yeah, I think I'll settle for watching some clips or skipping around for the areas I'm interested in.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on May 17, 2021, 08:59:42 AM
Yeah, I think I'll settle for watching some clips or skipping around for the areas I'm interested in.
Yeah, you're best of just watching fights and such. I mean I did say that I enjoyed most stuff(even if it's inconsistent and flawed) but this really ain't for someone who wants more of "true Castlevania".
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on May 17, 2021, 12:50:34 PM
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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Dark Nemesis on May 17, 2021, 01:29:06 PM
I've just finished watching the last season and all i can say is that it left me confused......many familiar enemies, nice soundtrack, but not what i was expecting to see for a finale.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Sindra on May 17, 2021, 04:28:46 PM
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You hit a lot of points I didn't even bother going into. The entire show has been "cursing and sex as a indicator it's 'mature'" since the beginning with the goat fucking. That's how Ellis works and damned if he was going to change things for this show. I actually had someone recently leave a comment on one of my vids asking me why I hated all the sex and cursing, and didn't take "because it's all just fluff in place of substance" as a good enough answer.

Also, all the plot holes:

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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 17, 2021, 08:02:11 PM
You hit a lot of points I didn't even bother going into. The entire show has been "cursing and sex as a indicator it's 'mature'" since the beginning with the goat fucking. That's how Ellis works and damned if he was going to change things for this show. I actually had someone recently leave a comment on one of my vids asking me why I hated all the sex and cursing, and didn't take "because it's all just fluff in place of substance" as a good enough answer.

Also, all the plot holes:

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hah! that's right, I forgot about that. That came out of nowhere and while amusing in a "hey I understood that reference" kind of way, didn't amount to anything that couldn't have been done at night just the same.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Shinobi on May 18, 2021, 05:48:46 AM

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My thoughts:
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The only plothole I found was:
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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 18, 2021, 08:32:11 AM

The only plothole I found was:
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we have seen before that vampires like dracula often have human misanthropes in their employ. (like the forgemasters) so maybe this was something like that.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Shinobi on May 18, 2021, 11:06:42 AM
we have seen before that vampires like dracula often have human misanthropes in their employ. (like the forgemasters) so maybe this was something like that.

Well you are talking about forgemasters which is more powerful and useful for a vampire lord but those common and very weak humans in Carmilla's castle?
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 18, 2021, 12:52:09 PM
The only plothole I found was:
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Striga and Morana say they hired humans and that given that they probably died in the attack, the western nations will need mercs
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 22, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
I enjoyed the season greatly.  A bit disappointed at all the deviations from what you’d expect from playing the game, but I guess at least it wasn’t predictable that way.  A good ride for the most part.  Some of the changes in expected outcomes were nice at least.  I hope whoever is writing the next series has the right stuff to keep the new fans this series has drawn in and keep the gamer fans happy.
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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 24, 2021, 12:44:24 AM
If you skipped season 3, you might as well skip season 4 also.

Thanks! I'm skipping this then.
I will just wait for Trese to get my supernatural fix.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 24, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: JR on May 24, 2021, 11:08:26 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but one thing that kind of irks me about Grant's absence is that there was a good handful of original characters created for this show. Keeping that in mind, how hard could it have been to include one of the main characters from the game? I mean, if it was so hard to have a 4th protagonist included in this show, I'm not sure why they didn't just go with Symphony as their timeline. Then they could've had Richter/Alucard/Maria instead of Sypha/Alucard/Trevor. It just seems like a cop out to use Dracula's Curse as the basis for the show without including all of the characters, especially when there's no shortage of stories from the timeline that they could've used. It was one of those things that didn't bother me before the show aired. But after seeing Greta, Lenore, Striga, Varney, Godbrand, the weird sex siblings, etc., made specifically for the show, it definitely seemed like there easily could've been room for Grant if they really wanted to.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 25, 2021, 07:31:06 AM
Sometimes I genuinely wonder if the shafting of Grant consistently, isn't some sort of edict from konami on character usage. Like, for whatever reason you're not allowed to use Grant because they constantly want to refocus on Trevor, (main character Belmont) Alucard, (fangirl bait, "cool factor" bait) and Sypha. (sex appeal, cute appeal) and in that kind of strategy, Grant is the odd man out, so they just cut him and give him token mentions at best, and dont let him be fully used.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on May 25, 2021, 07:38:35 AM
Sometimes I genuinely wonder if the shafting of Grant consistently, isn't some sort of edict from konami on character usage. Like, for whatever reason you're not allowed to use Grant because they constantly want to refocus on Trevor, (main character Belmont) Alucard, (fangirl bait, "cool factor" bait) and Sypha. (sex appeal, cute appeal) and in that kind of strategy, Grant is the odd man out, so they just cut him and give him token mentions at best, and dont let him be fully used.

Ellis has consistently demonstrated a dislike for Grant, and there is a recent interview with Kolde (https://www.monstersandcritics.com/anime/castlevania-season-4-interview-with-producer-kevin-kolde/) saying that they decided to not using Grant at all. If Konami has an edict, Powerhouse/Ellis did a pretty good job at not only hiding it, but also indicating it was their decision all along.

Here's another example of interview: https://screenrant.com/castlevania-season-4-interview-kevin-kolde/ (https://screenrant.com/castlevania-season-4-interview-kevin-kolde/)

I feel I should also point out how curious is that they keep denying any Grant reading from the fans' part. Whenever a character appears that may be or not Grant, they feel the need to do an interview later clarifying it is not. So they don't do actual Grant, and also won't let you have him either. First was the bandit Isaac turns into a monster, then it was nameless Captain on season 3, now it's Greta of Danesti. The single recognized Grant reference was a "pirate of the roads" strawman Ellis made up to make fun of Grant fans, something he admited on his own.

Still, it was inevitable they'd toy with a more popular characters beyond the "niche" one eventually. It was interesting to see how some opinions changed when questionable writing reached them.

Also, just a bit more about this whole Danesti converstation:

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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on May 25, 2021, 08:27:30 AM
I think I recall that they said something along the lines of "It's hard to balance out four main characters" or something like that in one interview, but I can't seem to find it. Which is still bullshit considering what they did with St. Germain and a few other characters. But yeah, Ellis hating Grant is pretty much the biggest reason for it. Which is more egregious considering how changed up characters like Isaac, St. Germain and even the main cast are. With how shoehorned other characters are it's curious how he still sees Grant solely as "pirate on a landlocked country, how silly lol" and couldn't even bother to make rework him into a character that would work for the show.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on May 25, 2021, 05:26:06 PM
Sindra just made a cool video detailing all of the easter eggs in this season

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-PSqZLhzF8
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Scarlet starlet on May 27, 2021, 08:38:33 AM
Snarky long dialogues aside I actually liked this season, maybe because I went in with zero expectations after season 3.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: JR on May 27, 2021, 01:02:27 PM
True, I grew tired of the snarky dialogue, too. I get what they were going for, but damn, they laid it on pretty thick. Made the characters less likeable to a degree. Not a bad show overall, but it definitely had some flaws.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on May 27, 2021, 01:15:12 PM
With the way it ended, the show is kinda like it’s own self-contained story (obviously) with no room for a sequel series. I just finished it & I don’t see how they can “continue” it in another century since they already gave Dracula his happy ending.

I mean, I guess they could, but at that point it would be so far detached from any game they want to base it on, so why bother. Unless, of course, they just make their own narrative & not follow the CV timeline/plot at all which is very possible
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 27, 2021, 07:31:24 PM
Guess they could pull out one of Castlevania’s “other” villains that didn’t have allegience to Dracula and see where it goes, like Walter, The Forgotten One, Olrox, Brauner, or Galamoth.  But I suppose give Dracula another 100 years and he could go bad again for some contrived reason.  But yeah, maybe they just ought to reboot it with the next series.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Bloo on May 28, 2021, 08:44:13 AM
Just finished the season. Thoroughly pleased with the series as an animated TV show. As a Castlevania series it's.... questionable?

Ya know there IS a lot of room to actually continue / resurrect this storyline if they went the route of Bloodlines....
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2021, 06:29:05 AM
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since they already gave Dracula his happy ending.
the writer giveth, and the writer taketh away...
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 29, 2021, 07:16:10 AM
You know, Hell isn’t supposed to be a place where you get to be with your loved ones for all eternity.  I wonder if Dracula first had to defeat Satan before he could find Lisa and maybe gained some new powers as a result.  Or maybe they’re buds haha.  I wonder if Lisa thinks Satan is real now.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on May 29, 2021, 08:00:05 AM
I can imagine the writers not depicting Satan as “Lucifer the fallen angel” but more like a title that any powerful demon can inherit. Convoluted reason, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was their explanation
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: X on May 29, 2021, 10:13:58 AM
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I can imagine the writers not depicting Satan as “Lucifer the fallen angel” but more like a title that any powerful demon can inherit.

The Bible continually contradicts itself on numerous occasions. Lucifer and Satan are not the same person and yet in other sections of the scripture they are. They need to get their shit straight...
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on May 29, 2021, 11:58:52 AM
The Bible continually contradicts itself on numerous occasions. Lucifer and Satan are not the same person and yet in other sections of the scripture they are. They need to get their shit straight...
Afaik Satan is litteraly "the opposer" in Hebrew so it can be like any given demon, an infidel or the prince of hell we all know and love aka Lucifer, all depending on the context. Lucifer on the other hand is mostly or exclusively reffering to one and the same entity. But I haven't done any bible study in a while, so I could just be pulling this outta my ass. To be taken with a grain of salt, bitte.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on May 29, 2021, 06:03:17 PM
You know, Hell isn’t supposed to be a place where you get to be with your loved ones for all eternity.  I wonder if Dracula first had to defeat Satan before he could find Lisa and maybe gained some new powers as a result.  Or maybe they’re buds haha.  I wonder if Lisa thinks Satan is real now.
That was something I never really considered.
The hell in this seems less christian mythology, in practice, and more greek/roman hell, which was just grey limbo.

I wanted to say something like "why is Lisa in hell if she was essentially martyred for just doing science, and it's established in season 1 that the Church in Wallachia was corrupt as hell and not very holy" but I guess marrying someone like Dracula and siring an offspring with him would do that.

Afaik Satan is litteraly "the opposer" in Hebrew so it can be like any given demon, an infidel or the prince of hell we all know and love aka Lucifer, all depending on the context. Lucifer on the other hand is mostly or exclusively reffering to one and the same entity. But I haven't done any bible study in a while, so I could just be pulling this outta my ass. To be taken with a grain of salt, bitte.
Sounds plausible. Considering Christianity is a religion built on top of another religion, but both while having the same DNA, are also separated by the several thousand year history of Christianity and it's texts *after* it's parent religion, where even to this day scholars will discover new ancient texts that sometimes contradict some established canon.

To say nothing of language considering there's 2 major languages involved that shifted between the 2. From hebrew to strictly latin. (and that's not even bringing up that there is a marked difference between the kind of latin that the Romans would have used, and what we now know as "ecclesiastic" Latin- As well as similar with Hebrew)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 01, 2021, 02:26:48 PM
I was reading this commentary article about Isaac and came across the line that the Captain told Isaac “If you don’t have your own story, you become part of someone else’s.”  This got me wondering if perhaps there might be a spinoff series in the future with Isaac as the lead.  Might not fit the bill for a new series being described as not being a spinoff and having a completely different cast, but maybe someday. 

https://www.themarysue.com/isaac-castlevania-humanity-race/ (https://www.themarysue.com/isaac-castlevania-humanity-race/)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on June 01, 2021, 06:12:32 PM
God seems to be a thing here to some degree, despite everything, so basically everything from "Lisa was a sinner", passing through "God's great plan" and "Heaven would have been Hell for Lisa without Vlad" is posible.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: spazzy_d on June 01, 2021, 06:59:13 PM
I think I recall that they said something along the lines of "It's hard to balance out four main characters" or something like that in one interview, but I can't seem to find it. Which is still bullshit considering what they did with St. Germain and a few other characters. But yeah, Ellis hating Grant is pretty much the biggest reason for it. Which is more egregious considering how changed up characters like Isaac, St. Germain and even the main cast are. With how shoehorned other characters are it's curious how he still sees Grant solely as "pirate on a landlocked country, how silly lol" and couldn't even bother to make rework him into a character that would work for the show.

Well we got Grant... sort of. I mean, Greta of Danesti was clearly a gender swapped version of the character. I would have preferred Grant to be, well, Grant, but hey, it's more than I thought we would get.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on June 02, 2021, 06:32:01 AM
Dunno man it's just not the same for me.
She kind of is Grant without the shaft, but then again she also isn't. She has some qualities Grant would have had and represents his character to an extent, but with her not having the same role in the story it just ain't it. If she was introduced pre-season 3 I wouldn't mind, but throwing her in the last season is just... Dunno man... Seems like the writters were like: "Fine, have Grant for fucks sake, there he is, just get off my fucking neck"
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on June 02, 2021, 09:28:03 AM
Well we got Grant... sort of. I mean, Greta of Danesti was clearly a gender swapped version of the character. I would have preferred Grant to be, well, Grant, but hey, it's more than I thought we would get.

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Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on June 03, 2021, 03:16:08 PM
If they said that... they're lying cuz gurl... you don't end with Greta of Danasti, the leader in Wallachia reconstruction efforts by accident.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on June 03, 2021, 06:19:53 PM
If they said that... they're lying cuz gurl... you don't end with Greta of Danasti, the leader in Wallachia reconstruction efforts by accident.

Everyone I showed this to agrees with you. Why would they say that? What is so fun about denying something so obvious?
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Shinobi on June 05, 2021, 12:24:25 PM
Konami might have also got Grant's last name from the real life village with different spelling, just like how they got the name Elisabeth Bartley from a real historical figure Elisabeth Bathory or Mathias Cronqvist from the name of King of Hungary Matthias Corvinus.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on June 05, 2021, 12:43:07 PM
Konami might have also got Grant's last name from the real life village with different spelling, just like how they got the name Elisabeth Bartley from a real historical figure Elisabeth Bathory or Mathias Cronqvist from the name of King of Hungary Matthias Corvinus.

I hope to not come off as an asshole if I quote myself:

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Could Konami have based themselves on the town name? Yeah. Is it likely given that Grant is portrayed as actual enemy of Dracula in the game, and there was an actual "House Danesti political enemy of Vlad III" at the time Vlad existed? On my opinion, no.

Still- Even if Konami DID base Grant's name on the town, "House Danesti opponent of Vlad III" seems way more important than "romanian town name". This is a wikipedia search away, which is why I think these guys know this, but insist on the "town name" thing to downplay the actual historical importance of the Danesti. Funny when you consider they wanted it to be so "accurate" to the time period. But of course, this is just one of many details that, to me, suggest they just want to bury Grant.

Even burying the character is fine by me, what is not is the constant provocation. One thing is "we are not having Grant, sorry fans!", another is "we are not having Grant AND we are also making fun of those who want him, they're so silly right?!" also "Oh and this character is obviously portrayed to be a Grant stand-in? Not Grant lmao".
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: VladOfWallachia on June 11, 2021, 09:54:03 AM
New season announced?

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During Netflix GEEKED week, the creative team behind Castlevania confirmed that the show's universe is getting even bigger, with a new series on the way centering on Richter Belmont (the son of Sypha and Trevor) and Maria Renard, set in 1792 Paris during the French Revolution. The time period has been used a few times in the games, with Castlevania: Rondo of Blood taking place in 1792 and the events of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night happening five years later.

https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/netflix-announces-new-castlevania-series/ (https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/netflix-announces-new-castlevania-series/)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: angevil on June 11, 2021, 09:58:33 AM
I am glad they will make more episodes. I would like Soma and Julius season, I loved the sorrow series. It could start with the 1999 battle.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on June 11, 2021, 10:28:50 AM
I hope they confused the word “son” with “ancestor,” or else that wouldn’t make much sense at all

I expect to see an original big bad villain instead of Dracula. With the way Season 4 ended, I can’t see him still holding a centuries-long grudge against humanity. I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t even in the series at all

Perhaps Olrox will take his place. A plot where he & his vampire/demon cohorts attempt to restore the castle, Shaft may appear but maybe with different motives, etc.

Either way, in terms of plot details, it’s going to be all over the place

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I am glad they will make more episodes. I would like Soma and Julius season, I loved the sorrow series. It could start with the 1999 battle.

If they ever decide to do that era, it WON’T be a direct adaptation, so keep your expectations very low
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Foffy on June 11, 2021, 10:33:53 AM
They made an error in that tweet. Sam Deats made it clear Richter isn't Trevor's son. (https://twitter.com/SamuelDeats/status/1403395025158000647=)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Nagumo on June 11, 2021, 11:49:37 AM
I wonder if there's going to be a noticeable improvement in the writing on account of the writer not being Warren Ellis.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: JR on June 11, 2021, 12:02:58 PM
I hope so. I'm interested to see where the writing will go without  him.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Gunlord on June 11, 2021, 12:23:12 PM
I wonder if there's going to be a noticeable improvement in the writing on account of the writer not being Warren Ellis.

Has Ellis not being involved been confirmed? If so, good riddance. The first CV series had its good points despite Ellis, not because of him, assuming his replacement isn't another edgelord I think a Netflix Rondo of Blood could *really* soar.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: C Belmont on June 11, 2021, 12:48:50 PM
Taking into consideration the fact that the new show will be set during the french revolution I think it's pretty likely Warren Ellis is still the writer if not a consultant for the show.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Holy Diver on June 11, 2021, 01:58:08 PM
I just wonder how revolution-centric the series will be and how much shoehorning will take place. With the first 3 seasons focusing a lot on the theme of religious and cult madness(for the lack of a better term) I don't think they picked Paris(in the time of a revolution no less) on a whim. And it's hard to guess how much characters they'll even retain from the games. I would like to see how they'd handle Orlox and Shaft, but with the way the writters meddle with the canon it's very hard to say.

But hey, we'll get animated Maria, so at least Waffle's gonna be all giddy.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on June 11, 2021, 06:57:38 PM
rooting for vampire Marie Antoinette

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/totalwarhammer_gamepedia/images/a/a7/Isabella_von_Carstein.png)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 11, 2021, 10:38:17 PM
I wonder if we’ll start with child Maria or start directly with Adult Maria.  Maybe with a little flashback here and there from her childhood.  I suppose Richter probably won’t end up saving four damsels this time, but they might be turned into interesting characters.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: X on June 11, 2021, 11:15:39 PM
Why the French revolution? From what I could gather the French reign of terror, which followed the revolution, was far worse in terms of mindless bloodshed. Almost sounds like a missed opportunity there.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 12, 2021, 06:11:37 AM
rooting for vampire Marie Antoinette

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/totalwarhammer_gamepedia/images/a/a7/Isabella_von_Carstein.png)
Or how about the Headhunter from Aria of Sorrow.  or is that the same thing?
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: X on June 12, 2021, 10:40:23 AM
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Or how about the Headhunter from Aria of Sorrow.  or is that the same thing?

It is if you've ever seen the Return to Oz movie. I'm sure that's where the Headhunter came from.
Title: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on June 12, 2021, 03:44:20 PM
dang they are really clinging to that "Renard" surname lmao

can't wait to see all those guillotines turning into Guillotiners because "they're possessed" or something

Also, the new writer is Clive Bradley. IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0975294/ (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0975294/)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: The Puritan on June 13, 2021, 05:57:49 PM
How do you think they'll characterize Richter? They could make him a famous respected badass with a lot of influence or a spoiled dandy who'd rather have nothing to do with the family business. Both could lead to him being manipulated by Shaft, if they go that route.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: theplottwist on June 14, 2021, 09:28:19 AM
How do you think they'll characterize Richter? They could make him a famous respected badass with a lot of influence or a spoiled dandy who'd rather have nothing to do with the family business. Both could lead to him being manipulated by Shaft, if they go that route.

I suspect they'll follow his plotline a great deal closer than they did Trevor or CVIII in general, simply because people are MUCH more aware of Richter's story than of CVIII. So, I do believe they're doing the Shaft manipulation bit (if someone doesn't think Shaft's name is dumb, that is). I only hope they don't pull the "cynical hero" again, like every single character on the rest of this show is.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Bloo on June 14, 2021, 07:20:23 PM
(if someone doesn't think Shaft's name is dumb, that is).

Watch out, Richter Belmont!
(https://i.imgur.com/U5LMe4Y.png)

I only hope they don't pull the "cynical hero" again, like every single character on the rest of this show is.

Hard agree. Everyone cussed a fuck ton, made self deprecating jokes, and was always quick witted. Comedy could come from anywhere else but Richter really wasn't the type to crack a lot of jokes.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: C Belmont on June 14, 2021, 10:54:44 PM
I suspect they'll follow his plotline a great deal closer than they did Trevor or CVIII in general, simply because people are MUCH more aware of Richter's story than of CVIII.

I dunno about that. I don't remember SOTN or Rondo of blood taking place in France during the french revolution so they aren't exactly off to a good start as far as accuracy goes.



Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on June 15, 2021, 06:04:01 AM
It’s going to be loosely based off of RoB. They’re just using some of the characters, the plot is most likely going to be original
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: SecretWeapon on June 15, 2021, 07:35:49 AM
The way the show ended doesn't lend itself for a more accurate adaptation either. That being said, RoB happens a few years after the French Revolution, so at least it's not that far off
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Flame on June 15, 2021, 09:17:22 AM
I dunno about that. I don't remember SOTN or Rondo of blood taking place in France during the french revolution so they aren't exactly off to a good start as far as accuracy goes.
I mean doesn't rondo take place in 1792? That would place it right smack in the middle of the French Revolutionary period.

So there's little "why" to be had. Times of great upheaval are I feel, underrated points of interest for stuff like this, because there's already a lot of chaos and bloodshed going around that make for a good backdrop to a vampire plot. It's why I think Bloodlines and PoR are interesting tonally, with their WW1/WW2 settings (though I tend to feel POR vastly underutilized it)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: X on June 15, 2021, 09:42:34 AM
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It's why I think Bloodlines and PoR are interesting tonally, with their WW1/WW2 settings (though I tend to feel POR vastly underutilized it)

Agreed. Outside of the story backdrop we see virtually no evidence of WW2 aesthetics anywhere in or near the castle. No abandoned howitzers, troop transports, or tanks. No discarded weapons, clothing, nor even swastika flags or banners, which by 1944 would have been almost everywhere in Europe at that time. We do however see some soldiers turned to stone statues by Medusa in one of the final four paintings but that's stretching things a bit in my mind as it was a painting and not in the real world environment. You can get a uniform armor piece from Vincent's shop but again, it's not convincing enough for me.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 15, 2021, 07:14:55 PM
France, eh?  I wonder if they’ll make any nods to the fact Rondo’s intro was in German.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 16, 2021, 12:37:50 AM
Hmmm... interesting... I'll be waiting for more info and not get my hopes up.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: DraculaFan1981 on August 19, 2021, 09:47:38 AM
Looks like Adi Shankar's suing the production company, which is probably why he literally never talked about seasons 3 and 4. This may or may not be true, though.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/castlevania-adi-shankar-sues-excluded-netflix-spin-off-1234999490/ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/castlevania-adi-shankar-sues-excluded-netflix-spin-off-1234999490/)
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on August 21, 2021, 06:09:46 AM
Feels like Castlevania is cursed some days.  I appreciated Adi’s enthusiasm for the game.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: DraculaFan1981 on August 21, 2021, 08:10:59 AM
Feels like Castlevania is cursed some days.  I appreciated Adi’s enthusiasm for the game.

Between allegations and lawsuits with the show and absence of the main games/gachas being killed and brought back, it certainly seems that way. Adi's interviews back in the day were a joy to read, but sadly aged badly.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Super Waffle on August 22, 2021, 12:38:41 AM
(if someone doesn't think Shaft's name is dumb, that is)

His name IS dumb, but it still leads to cool situations like the phrase "Nothing tickled a girl's fancy quite like a Shaft with two balls" appearing as the very first line in a SOTN fanfic about Shaft's ghost using his elemental orb thingies to possess Maria.

Between allegations and lawsuits with the show and absence of the main games/gachas being killed and brought back, it certainly seems that way. Adi's interviews back in the day were a joy to read, but sadly aged badly.

Sounds like it's time for another Pachislot game.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: DraculaFan1981 on August 22, 2021, 02:57:32 AM
Or skateboards.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: Reinhart77 on August 26, 2021, 06:44:48 AM
https://www.gamespace.com/all-articles/news/castlevania-the-art-of-the-animated-series-arrives-august-31st/ (https://www.gamespace.com/all-articles/news/castlevania-the-art-of-the-animated-series-arrives-august-31st/)

Oo, artbook coming out soon.  I hope we get names for a lot of the monsters shown.  It would be fun if they had a full blown Bestiary.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on August 26, 2021, 05:59:04 PM
I’m indifferent towards the artbook. I own every single officially licensed Konami CV artbook, so I will have to wait & see. I’m sure most of the images will be scanned in high quality on the internet once it’s released.

I didn’t bother collecting the action figures because I think the sculpts are trash, although Dracula looked passable so I might consider tracking that down. Otherwise, the thousands of Castlevania memorabilia I own, including a lock of Koji Igarashi’s hair, the Japanese CV1 board game, the Lament of Innocence limited edition, 3 Simon’s Quest wristwatches, the Lords of Shadow promotional package only given to event journalists, 10 sealed SotN handhelds, almost all of the phonecards (many people prolly have no idea what those even are), etc. etc. etc., has all been sealed away in storage. It’s kinda poetic if you think about it.
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: X on August 26, 2021, 10:36:15 PM
Good god man!

Got enough memorabilia?  :o
Title: Re: New Castlevania Season
Post by: crisis on August 29, 2021, 06:10:26 PM
Nagumo is going to inherit all of my collectibles once my time comes, but that won’t be for a while from now. Maybe 100 years, maybe less, who knows