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Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
« Reply #60 on: April 02, 2016, 07:12:08 PM »
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more like Murder Man vs. Captain Hypocrite: Dawn of Death

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Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2016, 07:38:50 PM »
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On a side note, who saw the preview of the animated version of The Killing Joke? Looks AWESOME.

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Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2016, 07:40:20 PM »
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After seeing some reviews for this film I've decided not to bother with it.
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Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2016, 10:07:09 PM »
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After seeing some reviews for this film I've decided not to bother with it.

That's a shame as I have just rewatched it and come away enjoying it SIGNIFICANTLY MORE the second time around.
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Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2016, 10:52:56 PM »
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That's a shame as I have just rewatched it and come away enjoying it SIGNIFICANTLY MORE the second time around.

I often think that these days everything is over-hyped and nothing will ever exceed a critical reviewer's expectations.

I kind of miss the simplicity of the 80's and 90's Super Hero films. Not that critical reviews are bad in philosophy, but I think that reviews are essentially making or breaking certain forms of media these days, particularly since video/ dvd libraries are no longer a thing.

Specifically with Super Hero films I don't believe that this generation is helping things either. It's almost as if they're trying to cram in as many movies as possible end-to-end with things such as Xmen, Avengers and now DC. No doubt that regardless of how successful these films are at engaging a wide audience or being profitable blockbusters, DC has realised that Marvel has been getting most of that pie, until now.
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Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
« Reply #65 on: April 26, 2016, 12:16:16 AM »
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I don't understand why DC chose Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan for these films. The result is great action sequences, but the plot ultimately suffers. Sure, the movies all look cool, but any good movie isn't something watched, it's experienced.
The dialogue, while unique in the Dark Knight, it got old rather fast in Dark Knight Rises, and still having to bear the overly important "symbolic" monologuing, it only worked for Alfred IMHO and everyone else doing this is just forced.

The main issue with this movie in particular is that it did not deliver to the hype, not only that it really makes inconsistencies with already long established characters. Batman AND Superman do NOT kill, Hell, DC's morality for their Heroes has a super double standard, example being that Green Arrow once killed a Villian who just got done wiping half of a city's population, and HE goes to jail for it, it's that extreme.

One question in being, why the hell is Lex Luthor in this if they didn't get the basics of character right? Lex is rather complex, being level headed and charismatic, his evil is usually on his own agenda and he has done his fair share of good to add to his deceiving nature, he's really only a villain because of his beef with superman. He is NOT Jesse Eisenberg's Joker nor Jesse Eisenberg's Jim Carry Riddler, FFS Villains are the best thing DC has going for it, often written better than the Heroes (when they are good that is).

Another major retarded thing is trying to merge all of these stories that would have better off standalone. Death of Superman and Dark Knight Returns were great, but trying to cram them into a single story is just stupid.

Dark Knight Returns segments are rather dumb, why not just write the movie in mind that shit has happened? The Animated movies are great because it doesn't cram re-establishment down your throats, It would have been nice to have an established Superman and an re-re-re-re-re-re-established Batman already know each other. The time frame of this movie is bonkers, shit doesn't escalate that fast especially when you're trying to already establish things, better way of putting it is that you cannot checkmate after the first Knight has moved, all the pieces have to be in place first before the move can be logically done.

Death of Superman segments are a clear example of Never learning shit from others' failures. When Spiderman 3 bombed it should have been a clear indicator that lights should go off saying "Hey, maybe we shouldn't try cramming so much shit in a movie at once" guess what, NOPE! Let's "kill" off superman with Superboy Doomsday in the very next movie BUT IT'S OKAY!, We've made it more than obvious that a sequel is planned AND best of all, We're making it blatantly obvious that Superman isn't dead.

In short, Batman vs. Superman is just every other comic book movie, filled with the same old shit you've seen in previous movies, great action though, but more effort is put on making a sequel rather than actually making this shit worth a sequel in the first place.

Why is it so hard to make a Comic book movie a standalone thing? We know there are about 5 sequels a year, why not just make this worth our time rather than wasting it and putting up a teaser of what you may thing will be great.... but does the exact same shit? Honestly, I'm done with comic book movies. Some are still good, but it's really a dime a dozen nowadays.

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Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2016, 08:55:48 AM »
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You've said a mouthful there and I agree with it. And like Zangetsu I also miss the simplicity of the 80s and 90's super hero movies. With all they crammed into Batman vs Superman it suffers from the same problems that Mortal Kombat: Annihilation suffers from -far too much in one movie at once. I don't think WB had any real plan when making the film. They simply want to play catch-up to the Marvel films, and that is a rather disastrous way of thinking. Everything nowadays is about rushing. Rushing to where? And to what end? Nobody wants to take their time anymore in order to flesh out a truly good story. You've mentioned about great action sequences but not a good story. It's interesting to note that J.J. Abrams has the same problem. He knows how to deliver great action sequences that will keep you engaged. But after you've seen his films then you begin to mull over what you've seen and the issues start to become apparent. Then, after a second viewing, the issues you've thought about the first time are blatantly apparent. People in the film industry need to slow the f@#k down! They need to take their time to really think about what kind of story they want to tell, do their research so less mistakes are made, and rather then focus on a money-grab, deliver a product that will ultimately pay for itself for years to come.
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Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2016, 02:46:36 PM »
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The problem with this movie is that it was not so much a movie, as a collection of sub-plots...  This was the pilot episode to the DCEU, and it just feels wholly incomplete.  At least half of the arguments/ideas introduced don't even come close to being reconciled by the end of the movie.  This is everything people hated on Iron Man 2 for x 1000.  It is obvious that this was a rush job so that WB can start making that Marvel Studios money.  It was enjoyable to a fan of the genre, but it's just such a transparent rush job.  The worst sin in the movie is probably when it makes the audience stop to watch the teasers for 3 upcoming DCEU movies, those who have seen the movie know exactly what I am talking about.  And when did Batman get the ability to see(or more accurately dream) the future? 5/10.
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