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Title: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 15, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
https://jackofallcontrollers.com/2020/03/12/sources-report-sony-has-2-silent-hill-titles-in-development-silent-hill-reboot-at-japan-studio-and-silent-hills-at-kojima-productions/amp/

“Castlevania will apparently receive a full on reboot at Japan Studio in the style of BloodBorne and Castlevania: Lords of Shadow. Just to tell you how much Sony cares unlike Konami, the Castlevania Requiem: Symphony of the Night and Rondo of Blood PS4 ports were done by Sony Interactive Entertainment’s own studios. That should tell you that they are passionate enough to try and get the IP.”
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 15, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
This has made. my. day.

I hope when they say "like Bloodborne" they mean aesthetics and not difficulty because I barely made any headway in that game at all and eventually just gave up because I had other games I enjoyed with a lot less demands on my patience (also the easier games in Castlevania historically tend to sell better anyways). The Aesthetics though... oh man. Yharnam could have been its own Castlevania setting. I've longed for a Castlevania game that LOOKS like Dark Souls and Bloodborne. Sounds like my wish might potentially come true.

The difficulty curves of the Lords of Shadow games, with toggles for more or less difficulty, would be right up everyone's street, really. You're exactly as badass as you want to devote the time to being, and everyone gets to see the end. Seeing as that's another game they'd consider a form of inspiration, I don't think that's a far fetched ask or in any way unreasonable.

Also, side note: the guys who made SIREN making a Silent Hill game?! SIGN ME THE HELL UP.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: crisis on March 15, 2020, 03:14:47 PM
I remain cautiously optimistic. Sounds great, but considering how the Netflix series is getting shitted on by many people here, who knows how they will react to this if it’s true
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Foffy on March 15, 2020, 03:25:14 PM
I missed the bit about Castlevania in this rumor. I know a user who goes online in places by the name "Dusk Golem" has talked and backed up the Silent Hill stuff: they've also been an insider about Resident Evil, so he leaked content about the last three RE games and their plans for 2021. I believe he's backed up Sony being interested at being a mediator between Konami and Kojima, and that was after two Silent Hill projects got dropped,

Would be wild to see this for Castlevania, but I kinda doubt it. Remember that rumor that IGA was going to team up with Mercurysteam to make the 3DS Castlevania and it turned out that Mercurysteam made a bad game all by themselves?
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: GuyStarwind on March 15, 2020, 03:48:42 PM
In the style of Bloodborne and Lords of Shadows? I haven't played Bloodborne but have played Souls, so if it's similar to the atmosphere of that then I'm game. However. What do they mean with Lords of Shadows? That game split the fan base. We should stay away from it.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 15, 2020, 04:17:38 PM
In the style of Bloodborne and Lords of Shadows? I haven't played Bloodborne but have played Souls, so if it's similar to the atmosphere of that then I'm game. However. What do they mean with Lords of Shadows? That game split the fan base. We should stay away from it.
I took it to mean that the gameplay and aesthetic would split the difference between those two games.  Which would honestly work very well.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 15, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
As a fan of bloodborne I was happy to hear that part especially if they mean "aesthetically" similar since that game's atmosphere screamed gothic castlevania to me, the Lords of Shadow part however dampened it to be honest, I want to keep the style of Lords of Shadow completely away from this, we already tried a reboot with that style and considering it did not work with their latest outing LOS2 I don't want to see it attempted again in another reboot of the series.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Lashen on March 15, 2020, 04:55:51 PM
Neat. I hope not too much like Bloodborne/Lords of Shadow. Honestly can we just get Igarashi back?
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Foffy on March 15, 2020, 04:56:19 PM
I'm gonna be the pin to pop the balloon here, at least for the Castlevania stuff. I believe the Silent Hill stuff posted by Dusk Golem to be legit, and none of that is in any way supporting the Castlevania part of this new rumor.

Why does Sony need Koji Igarashi as producer when the Castlevania series has a current, new, publicly hidden series producer? This person oversaw the Anniversary Collection and the Netflix show, and remains uncredited in both. It's not IGA.

IGA said he'd work on Castlevania again to finish what he started, to make two games. Why would Sony go to the former producer, not the current one, to reboot the series?
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Gunlord on March 15, 2020, 05:56:51 PM
It'd be nice to see IGA at the helm again, though he's probably busy with Bloodstained now. But either way, if we do end up getting a new CV game, things could really pick up around here once again. That'd be nice, but as always, we oughtn't get our hopes too far up...
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on March 15, 2020, 06:45:11 PM
Also, side note: the guys who made SIREN making a Silent Hill game?! SIGN ME THE HELL UP.

Familiar territory for the director, having made the first Silent Hill. I hope that's true 'cos that means it'd be in good hands, and perhaps the lore of Silent Hill will be restored after all those botched western-developed games.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Foffy on March 15, 2020, 07:15:25 PM
And not to be a balloon popper but to also be a balloon inflator, we have had reason for nearly two years to think something related to Castlevania is coming.

To go back to Dusk Golem here, they made these remarks May of 2018 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/make-an-outragous-e3-prediction-in-this-thread-but-with-a-sliver-of-a-chance-your-e3-final-bet.46090/#post-8586036). If we look at them one by one with also understanding it doesn't mean they would be announced at that years E3...

- Valve unveils a new game. Half-Life Alyx was likely this title, which was announced at the end of last year.

- Microsoft reveals Crackdown 3 is releasing far sooner than people think. This released in February 2019, I'm not sure if that was "soon"

- Master Chief comes to PC properly. Halo: The Master Chief Collection was announced in May 2019, coming to PC

- Konami unveils a new game to contest another upcoming game. This was specifically made in other posts related to Bloodstained, so this was a specific Castlevania game reference. Nothing else coming out was competing so directly to their own IPs. To this day, there has been no game announced to compete with Bloodstained unless we count Grimoire of Souls. I don't.

- FROM's new game is an act that's published by a western studio that no one's going to predict with their vision. This was Sekiro

- Capcom brings the goods on several fronts. This is in reference to Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil 2 Remake, Resident Evil 3 Remake, and Resident Evil 8.

- Sony has a lot more secrets up their sleeve than a-many people may suspect. This could be anything because this is a first party company. This could range from Horizon: Zero Dawn on PC to the Silent Hill stuff, but only the Silent Hill stuff.

Dusk Golem has also alleges that they know things that specifically invalidate the 4chan rumor. I think it invalidates itself if you look at the issues an apparent Konami employ makes by naming the former producer to Castlevania working on a new Castlevania game, not the new one who people at Konami interact with.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: VladCT on March 15, 2020, 07:17:56 PM
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Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 15, 2020, 09:01:26 PM
And not to be a balloon popper but to also be a balloon inflator, we have had reason for nearly two years to think something related to Castlevania is coming.

To go back to Dusk Golem here, they made these remarks May of 2018 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/make-an-outragous-e3-prediction-in-this-thread-but-with-a-sliver-of-a-chance-your-e3-final-bet.46090/#post-8586036). If we look at them one by one with also understanding it doesn't mean they would be announced at that years E3...

- Valve unveils a new game. Half-Life Alyx was likely this title, which was announced at the end of last year.

- Microsoft reveals Crackdown 3 is releasing far sooner than people think. This released in February 2019, I'm not sure if that was "soon"

- Master Chief comes to PC properly. Halo: The Master Chief Collection was announced in May 2019, coming to PC

- Konami unveils a new game to contest another upcoming game. This was specifically made in other posts related to Bloodstained, so this was a specific Castlevania game reference. Nothing else coming out was competing so directly to their own IPs. To this day, there has been no game announced to compete with Bloodstained unless we count Grimoire of Souls. I don't.

- FROM's new game is an act that's published by a western studio that no one's going to predict with their vision. This was Sekiro

- Capcom brings the goods on several fronts. This is in reference to Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil 2 Remake, Resident Evil 3 Remake, and Resident Evil 8.

- Sony has a lot more secrets up their sleeve than a-many people may suspect. This could be anything because this is a first party company. This could range from Horizon: Zero Dawn on PC to the Silent Hill stuff, but only the Silent Hill stuff.

Dusk Golem has also alleges that they know things that specifically invalidate the 4chan rumor. I think it invalidates itself if you look at the issues an apparent Konami employ makes by naming the former producer to Castlevania working on a new Castlevania game, not the new one who people at Konami interact with.

Ok, am I reading this wrong or are you under the impression the rumor claims IGA is coming back?  Because I see that nowhere.  They only mention Kojima working on Metal Gear and Silent Hill.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Foffy on March 15, 2020, 09:09:36 PM
Ok, am I reading this wrong or are you under the impression the rumor claims IGA is coming back?  Because I see that nowhere.  They only mention Kojima working on Metal Gear and Silent Hill.

I believe a new Castlevania game is being made, as the series has a new producer.

I do not believe IGA is coming back, as he is not the series producer. The interviews in the Castlevania Anniversary Collection are from this new producer, and Michiru Yamane refers to IGA in past-tense, as "former producer" when discussing Curse of Darkness.

This new rumor, the one this thread is based off of, is implying he's coming back as series producer, to make a reboot. There's two big issues with this.

- He is not the current series producer
- If he were to come back, he's already stated he would work within the original canon, not a reboot

I hope I'm a bit clearer here. I believe we have reason to anticipate a new Castlevania game, but I believe it's independent from this specific rumor which spawned this thread.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 15, 2020, 10:03:02 PM
Ok, I posted the link, it doesn't mention IGA anywhere, but I am seeing it in other reports.  Anyway, given what the rumor is, it's not that surprising.  Sony wants to buy Castlevania, I doubt they want to keep whoever Konami has in charge of it currently.  They have yet to prove capable of anything really.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Foffy on March 15, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
I would implore you to look at the link again. The first thing mentioned is a 4chan post from a "Konami employee" that proclaims Koji Igarashi is involved as producer on a reboot and that Sony wants to buy the IP. Dusk Golem has said the 4chan post is wrong, and he was one of the first people to mention how Sony was interested in working with Konami on Silent Hill. Dusk Golem went on Twitter recently to rebuke it further.
 (https://twitter.com/AestheticGamer1/status/1239342578668933122)

What's real is Sony is working with Konami in regards to Silent Hill (Dusk Golem's Twitter feed talks about bounced about Silent Hill projects that never went public and names at least one studio that worked on a game after Silent Hills got cancelled). That's all that's real about this rumor. We can assume this is real because this has been the guy leaking Resident Evil content for years. Until today, I've never even heard of Jack of All Controllers and what they've proclaimed that came to fruition. Their article, prior to the update about Sony buying those IPs, cites Rely on Horror for the Silent Hill Sony/Konami collaboration stuff, which Dusk Golem is acquaintances with. The main bulk of the article is based on the Silent Hill stuff, which is real. It even says that Sony does not wish to buy the Silent Hill IP. The stuff about Castlevania is based on a 4chan post, which says that Sony wants to buy the Silent Hill IP...do you see the contradiction?

What's going on with Castlevania, if we are to believe it's still being worked on, has nothing to do with the above. All we know is that Konami wants to "counter" Bloodstained, presumably with a Castlevania game of their own. But those were ideas they wanted to do two years ago; I'm assuming they still wish to, but for all we know, it could be cancelled. Look how long it took them to release Grimoire of Souls, and that still is out only in Canada.

Sony does not want to buy Castlevania, Metal Gear, or Silent Hill. What they're doing with Silent Hill appears to be more of a licensing arrangement, like what Sony has with Marvel and Spider-Man. The only thing we know about Castlevania is Konami wanted to "counter" Bloodstained, and that has nothing to do with this Sony rumor. Hell, the person who said a new Castlevania game was in production and named the series specifically, Vergeben, said it was a Nintendo Switch game. He confirmed that Castlevania: Requiem was a thing before that got announced too, as well as Contra: Rogue Corps.

So, to conclude here in a tl;dr

- Konami is likely working with Sony on Silent Hill
- Konami has expressed interest in the past of likely using Castlevania to compete with Bloodstained
- The only platform we've ever gotten hints a new Castlevania game would be coming for, from leakers who hold some credibility, is for the Nintendo Switch
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 15, 2020, 11:42:02 PM
I would implore you to look at the link again. The first thing mentioned is a 4chan post from a "Konami employee" that proclaims Koji Igarashi is involved as producer on a reboot and that Sony wants to buy the IP. Dusk Golem has said the 4chan post is wrong, and he was one of the first people to mention how Sony was interested in working with Konami on Silent Hill. Dusk Golem went on Twitter recently to rebuke it further.
 (https://twitter.com/AestheticGamer1/status/1239342578668933122)

What's real is Sony is working with Konami in regards to Silent Hill (Dusk Golem's Twitter feed talks about bounced about Silent Hill projects that never went public and names at least one studio that worked on a game after Silent Hills got cancelled). That's all that's real about this rumor. We can assume this is real because this has been the guy leaking Resident Evil content for years. Until today, I've never even heard of Jack of All Controllers and what they've proclaimed that came to fruition. Their article, prior to the update about Sony buying those IPs, cites Rely on Horror for the Silent Hill Sony/Konami collaboration stuff, which Dusk Golem is acquaintances with. The main bulk of the article is based on the Silent Hill stuff, which is real. It even says that Sony does not wish to buy the Silent Hill IP. The stuff about Castlevania is based on a 4chan post, which says that Sony wants to buy the Silent Hill IP...do you see the contradiction?

What's going on with Castlevania, if we are to believe it's still being worked on, has nothing to do with the above. All we know is that Konami wants to "counter" Bloodstained, presumably with a Castlevania game of their own. But those were ideas they wanted to do two years ago; I'm assuming they still wish to, but for all we know, it could be cancelled. Look how long it took them to release Grimoire of Souls, and that still is out only in Canada.

Sony does not want to buy Castlevania, Metal Gear, or Silent Hill. What they're doing with Silent Hill appears to be more of a licensing arrangement, like what Sony has with Marvel and Spider-Man. The only thing we know about Castlevania is Konami wanted to "counter" Bloodstained, and that has nothing to do with this Sony rumor. Hell, the person who said a new Castlevania game was in production and named the series specifically, Vergeben, said it was a Nintendo Switch game. He confirmed that Castlevania: Requiem was a thing before that got announced too, as well as Contra: Rogue Corps.

So, to conclude here in a tl;dr

- Konami is likely working with Sony on Silent Hill
- Konami has expressed interest in the past of likely using Castlevania to compete with Bloodstained
- The only platform we've ever gotten hints a new Castlevania game would be coming for, from leakers who hold some credibility, is for the Nintendo Switch

Oh damn, on my phone the pic is so small I thought it was like an ad or something lol.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on March 16, 2020, 09:32:10 AM
Sony should get main series rights, (pc and console games) while Konami retains right to mobile games and gambling machines. Everyone wins.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Reinhart77 on March 16, 2020, 02:52:03 PM
Gosh it sucks that this generation of consoles that includes PS4 has missed out on a Castlevania game, but I’m salivating at the prospect of the next generation that includes PS5 might very well get one.  It’d be nice if we could finally get a new vania launcher title, but unless they’ve been hiding things for a long time, there doesn’t seem to be enough time for that to happen. 
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: The Puritan on March 16, 2020, 04:36:48 PM
I'd rather none of the big three (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) picked up Castlevania because that would mean exclusivity. I'd rather it ended up with some other dev that "gets" the series, can make a great game out of it, and makes it available for all platforms. Wider audience.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: GuyStarwind on March 16, 2020, 09:51:08 PM
I took it to mean that the gameplay and aesthetic would split the difference between those two games.  Which would honestly work very well.
In that case, I'd be down for it.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: X on March 17, 2020, 09:37:52 AM
I agree with Lumi Kløvstad. As long as the look of Bloodborne/darksouls is there and NOT the difficulty then I'd have no real complaints. But in terms of LoS gameplay I really wouldn't want that either. The over-usage of combo attacks against sponge enemies was not a good thing for CV. It worked better in LoI and CoD. I could kill enemies quickly and move on to the next segments, rather then spending almost 10/15 minutes trying to kill one small group of enemies that just would not die quick enough despite the large amount of different combos in said arsenal. Sometimes less is more and both LoI & CoD worked with less very well.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Super Waffle on March 17, 2020, 12:16:25 PM
I'm gonna be the pin to pop the balloon here, at least for the Castlevania stuff. I believe the Silent Hill stuff posted by Dusk Golem to be legit, and none of that is in any way supporting the Castlevania part of this new rumor.

Why does Sony need Koji Igarashi as producer when the Castlevania series has a current, new, publicly hidden series producer? This person oversaw the Anniversary Collection and the Netflix show, and remains uncredited in both. It's not IGA.

IGA said he'd work on Castlevania again to finish what he started, to make two games. Why would Sony go to the former producer, not the current one, to reboot the series?

Why would you have a super secret anonymous producer managing your franchise?

Is he the guy with the moon head mask who makes the Nier games?
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Foffy on March 17, 2020, 03:45:21 PM
Why would you have a super secret anonymous producer managing your franchise?

Is he the guy with the moon head mask who makes the Nier games?

My guess is Konami doesn't want someone to be famous enough to be able to leave the company. Michiru Yamane, Akira Yamaoka, Koji Igarashi, and Hideo Kojima are notable names because of the fame they got at Konami.

It's outright odd that this producer oversaw the Anniversary Collection and the Netflix show and isn't credited in any capacity. My only guess is they want these projects to be seen as blindly "from Konami" and not "produced by [Actual Human Being]"
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on March 18, 2020, 08:12:15 AM
Yeah, I might play Devil's Advocate here, but I neither want a reboot nor a reimagining or anything of the sort. I just want IGA-Castlevania, either as an IGAvania or Classicvania, but spearheaded and written by IGA, with the canon story and the same aesthetics. Lords of Shadow was cancer to the franchise.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 18, 2020, 10:33:26 AM
I think this rumor that Konami has something to counter Bloodstained is pretty obviously false at this point... Which makes any claims by the individual who said that dubious at best.  I mean most of their "predictions" were things being predicted for a literal decade.  Castlevania collection and characters in Smash have been chattered about forever.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: crisis on April 01, 2020, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: DraculaCronqvist
Yeah, I might play Devil's Advocate here, but I neither want a reboot nor a reimagining or anything of the sort. I just want IGA-Castlevania, either as an IGAvania or Classicvania, but spearheaded and written by IGA, with the canon story and the same aesthetics. Lords of Shadow was cancer to the franchise.

Haha me too, but that scenario will likely never happen again. I always wanted Koji to make these games before he quit Konami:

1) “Bram Stoker’s Castlevania” a proper retelling of the events that took place in 1897, with Quincy Morris as the protagonist
2) Belmont’s Revenge ReBirth; Adventure ReBirth was so good that I thought he should also remake the sequel. A huge missed opportunity, I don’t know why it didn’t happen
3) a game or 2 taking place between Lment of Innocence & Dracula’s Curse. This is still a grey area in the timeline. I already had a couple ideas on what they could do with this
4) 1999 obviously
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: X on April 02, 2020, 10:05:47 AM
Personally I'd rather see the series lent to developers like WayForward. They did wonders with Contra 4 so why not Castlevania?
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 03, 2020, 03:28:30 PM
Oh, now there’s a rumor saying Microsoft might buy Castlevania instead.  As a Playstation loyalist, I’d only be ok with this if they also released any new games on PS5.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/microsoft-reportedly-buying-silent-hill-castlevania-konami/
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on April 03, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
Oh, now there’s a rumor saying Microsoft might buy Castlevania instead.  As a Playstation loyalist, I’d only be ok with this if they also released any new games on PS5.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/microsoft-reportedly-buying-silent-hill-castlevania-konami/

Given Microsoft's commitment towards hardware agnosticism, I would guess they'd at LEAST release anything new on PC (the most neutral of all ecosystems) as well as Xbox. Switch is also highly likely as Phil Spencer seems quite excited by the prospect of getting Microsoft games and services onto the platform, and has been apparently negotiating with Nintendo to get Project X Cloud game streaming onto the Switch. He's also said that Microsoft doesn't consider Playstation as "competition" (using the term to refer to Google and Amazon instead, which makes sense as both companies are making forays into cloud gaming which Microsoft was an early adopter of and sees as the future of the industry), so I think any dealings with Sony won't be as hostile as they used to be, and that's not even getting into Microsoft and Sony's new business partnership to fend off Google.

All that in mind, I think a Microsoft owned Castlevania landing on Playstation would have better than even odds.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on April 03, 2020, 04:50:28 PM
Oh, now there’s a rumor saying Microsoft might buy Castlevania instead.  As a Playstation loyalist, I’d only be ok with this if they also released any new games on PS5.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/microsoft-reportedly-buying-silent-hill-castlevania-konami/

Wasn't this article posted on April 1st?
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on April 03, 2020, 09:37:27 PM
Wasn't this article posted on April 1st?

March 31st.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: X on April 04, 2020, 11:02:13 AM
I'd still be wary about big companies getting their hands on beloved franchises. Microsoft might be good for CV, then again it might not. So far Castlevania's makers have been trying to force the series into the realm of triple A, which (in my opinion) hasn't been successful in the way they hoped it would. Microsoft could end up doing the same thing and possibly mess it up even more. I would rather see indie companies be given a crack at CV. If a game cannot succeed as a triple A title then it is best not to force it into such a narrow margin.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Flame on April 04, 2020, 04:33:10 PM
"in the vein of bloodborne and Lords of Shadow" could mean literally anything really.

Bloodborne had some top tier Castlevania worthy aesthetics, so I'd like that, but that they are specifying BB and LoS could also just mean it ends up like Code Vein, which was marketed to hell as back as WOW ANIME SOULS but ended up just being kind of a generic hack n slash that maybe just had vaguely bloodborne-esque thematics about blood and shit.

I'll be honest while i'm not against third parties giving it a try, it always feels kind of like an admission of "we just don't have the capability to do it" by the company.

Like, Mega Man 9 and 10 were fine and all, Inti definitely knows their way around a Mega Man game, but there's something special about Mega Man 11 being developed In house at Capcom, and not outsourced.

Konami already tried outsourcing. It really is about time they put out a proper game themselves.

I guess we'll see how it goes.

I've always felt that a reboot isnt terribly necessary, but in general, it is kind of an issue that the heavy focus on lore that came about post symphony, with timelines and stuff, created a problem of IGA writing the series into a corner. You can only fit so many 100 year resurrections in before you run out of space. And you can only fit in so many "early resurrections" before you have Dracula popping up basically every year, which then becomes simply too comical.

if anything, some kind of reboot would not necessarily toss everything out the window and reinvent the wheel like LoS did, but simply be less concerned with the overarching timeline and dates. Avoid that trap. just make the setting vaguely thematic to a specific century without specifying when it takes place. Since it doesnt really matter.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on April 04, 2020, 04:39:30 PM
I'd still be wary about big companies getting their hands on beloved franchises. Microsoft might be good for CV, then again it might not. So far Castlevania's makers have been trying to force the series into the realm of triple A, which (in my opinion) hasn't been successful in the way they hoped it would. Microsoft could end up doing the same thing and possibly mess it up even more. I would rather see indie companies be given a crack at CV. If a game cannot succeed as a triple A title then it is best not to force it into such a narrow margin.

I think Castlevania is really at its best when you have a team that could easily be making AAA games, but instead decide to make a campy B-movie with extra polish in video game form, and Xbox Game Studios has a fair number of developers that could very well excel at that.

I'd still trust that Rare, for instance, has enough of those guys still employed (having played Sea of Thieves and Yooka Laylee) that they could crank out a surprisingly fun Castlevania. Ninja Theory is another developer at Xbox that could do it, having made Enslaved: Odyssey to the West, Hellblade and Heavenly Sword and even more irreverent fare like Bleeding Edge (which going by early Steam reviews, people really seem to be enjoying).

Now, do I trust this rumor? Not as far as I can throw it.

But Castlevania could easily do worse by staying right where it is with its current owners. Whether it finds a new home at Sony or Microsoft, there's talent at both that can keep the dream alive.

Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Super Waffle on April 05, 2020, 05:15:11 PM
Rare didn't make Yooka Laylee. The good part of Rare who used to work for Rare before they all quit years ago made Yooka Laylee.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on April 05, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Rare didn't make Yooka Laylee. The good part of Rare who used to work for Rare before they all quit years ago made Yooka Laylee.

Except the director of Banjo-Kazooie (and lead game designer on the first two Donkey Kong Country games), Gregg Mayles, who is head creative director at Rare. Yooka-Laylee had a lot of talent behind it but nobody in the way of an actual game designer; the director, after all, was a lead programmer at Rare but didn't have any design credits. The game suffered because of it. Thankfully Playtonic Games redeemed itself with the incredible sidescrolling sequel.

But yeah, Microsoft is where developers and games go to die. It's rare that something they acquire turns out well. Mayles and the rest at Rare could probably still pump out some fantastic single player adventures, but MS has them by the balls. (Sea of Thieves looks great but I'm just not much into online gaming.)

Castlevania under MS would be shiiiit (think Lords of Shadow but somehow more bland, something akin to the Netflix series season 3 lolz). Under Sony there's probably a better chance of a good game since they have some decent studios under their belt. With Sony backing Kojima after the fallout with Konami, they seem to be for the idea of reviving dead projects and funding new ones that grant creative control to the developers, something MS seems mostly incapable of doing. Remember Scalebound? It sounded cool, right? Then footage leaked and it was online co-op bullshit with voice commands and slow-as-molasses action. Then it got canceled, lol. For good reason. I doubt PlatinumGames and Hideki Kamiya were pleased with how it was turning out.

I wanna be optimistic and say any new Castlevania is better than no Castlevania at all, but the LOS series really soured me on a modern, revamped interpretation. It needs to adhere to standards set by the original games while keeping things current to please the unwashed masses. The new DOOM series is doing this sort of thing exceptionally well, and Capcom is also kicking ass with their new installments of existing franchises. Heck, even Nintendo is starting to learn a few things, with the Switch's main Zelda, Mario, and Animal Crossing games keeping things fresh while staying faithful to what made the older games fun in the first place. Somebody needs to do that sort of thing with Castlevania, otherwise keep it buried, man.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: AlexCalvo on April 05, 2020, 08:26:38 PM
The easiest thing to do would be a retro side scroller a la Blasphemous or Slain: Back from Hell, depending if you want to go metroidvania or not.  This genre is definitely having a Renaissance right now, and virtually every one of these games names Castlevania as it's primary inspiration.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: X on April 06, 2020, 10:52:10 AM
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The easiest thing to do would be a retro side scroller a la Blasphemous or Slain: Back from Hell, depending if you want to go metroidvania or not.  This genre is definitely having a Renaissance right now, and virtually every one of these games names Castlevania as it's primary inspiration.

The aesthetics definitely. Graphically they look incredible and I can see CV utilising some of these for future ideas/inspiration. But not the combat. I've played Slain: Back from Hell and I didn't get very far in it. The combat certainly wasn't on the player's side and the lack of button configuration (this includes the directional controls) left much to be desired. You don't play a side-scroller using the analogue stick to move about. You use the D-pad. The programmers forgot about this it seems. As for Blasphemous, I have heard that the gameplay is more tactical-based combat (similar to darksouls) which is not what I'd want in a new CV side-scroller. While the IGA 3D games touched upon that a little in their own way it was not the main focus of the game like it is in the souls series.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Super Waffle on April 07, 2020, 01:21:02 AM
What if they did like a
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Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on April 07, 2020, 02:19:18 AM
Castlevania Remake
Possible. I wouldn't mind if they did that as long as it is faithful to the NES classics.

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OOOH!!! Write another fic about this.
Title: Re: Holy moly, new reboot?
Post by: AlexCalvo on April 07, 2020, 06:52:02 AM
I thin a remake of the original, with a super minimilist take on the story, would be awesome.  Make it look like the classic games cover art, and have no intro crawl or dialogue.  You are Simon Belmont, big, bad ass, Conan-looking vampire hunter.  You're here to kill Dracula and his army of monsters.  Nuff said.