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Title: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 12, 2017, 11:00:01 AM
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"The last survivor of a clan befallen by disgrace fights to save Eastern Europe from Dracula. Based on the classic video game series."

>no voice actor who ever did any character on the series

Welp. I dunno who are these people except for the first name. Let's just hope they do a good job.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: aensland on May 12, 2017, 01:15:33 PM
Tony Amendola is usually the voice for old/magic characters in western games and I think I heard him in FFXV, so I can picture him as Dracula, a town elder or even Death.

But this doesn't tells me much since most of american game dubbing is awful, but voice acting for animation is usually good.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 13, 2017, 07:01:28 PM
Fred Tatasciore is Soldier 76. If he is able to sound a bit younger he'll be a fine trevor
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: affinity on May 14, 2017, 06:51:30 PM
its nice they are revealing more, though if its a thing approved by netflix, and it's debuting this year, one would think they are nearing full exposure or something.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Inccubus on May 14, 2017, 08:07:13 PM
I'm not feeling that description at all.
If this is based on CV3, then they are focusing on things not really implied in the games.
If it isn't CV3, then it's made up bullshit that will severely annoy me as a fan.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 15, 2017, 01:46:18 PM
I'm not feeling that description at all.
If this is based on CV3, then they are focusing on things not really implied in the games.
If it isn't CV3, then it's made up bullshit that will severely annoy me as a fan.

-The last descendant = Not stated anywhere, fair enough
-Of a clan befallen by disgrace = Belmonts were feared and secluded themselves. I'd say that counts
-Fights to save eastern europe  from Dracula = All CV games plot
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on May 15, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
Official English version. Sounds alright to me.
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: aensland on May 15, 2017, 02:53:35 PM
-Fights to save eastern europe  from Dracula = All CV games plot
The hyperbole
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on May 15, 2017, 03:43:16 PM
You know the saying "don't knock something before you've tried it?" Well, sometimes, that is wrong. I fear this series cannot possibly deliver on what Castlevania is and what makes the series so beloved. Oftentimes, things that are originally conceived as a game are better left alone as such. Ah well, at least it will be an *animated* series. One shudders to think what a horrible mess a real-life adaption would be.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 15, 2017, 03:46:39 PM
Never heard of any of these voice actors before. Still need to see a visual, what's the hold up?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on May 15, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
Fred Tatasciore is a very prolific voice actor, right up there with Steve Blum and other VA luminaries. He's in a great many cartoons and videogames, so we can be sure of top-notch talent in him at least. If he's not Trevor, he's probably Dracula.

The rest.... yeah, I've never heard of them either.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on May 15, 2017, 04:59:47 PM
Fred Tatasciore is a very prolific voice actor, right up there with Steve Blum and other VA luminaries. He's in a great many cartoons and videogames, so we can be sure of top-notch talent in him at least. If he's not Trevor, he's probably Dracula.

The rest.... yeah, I've never heard of them either.

Fred Tatasciore is sure to deliver, no doubt about that. The question is if the story and animation will deliver.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 15, 2017, 05:20:36 PM
If Fred isn't Dracula I'm gonna be ashamed of the casting director.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Bloo on May 15, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
Hell, he might be both Dracula and Trevor? That's done quite a bit in other animations.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 15, 2017, 09:49:56 PM
Ah well, at least it will be an *animated* series. One shudders to think what a horrible mess a real-life adaption would be.

No need to even imagine.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on May 16, 2017, 05:13:07 AM
With the correct budget and good writing, I can totally see a CV live-action movie happening. Then again, VG movies aren't the best around.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on May 16, 2017, 05:35:11 AM
Neither were comic book movies for the first 40 years or so that they tried them.  But there is nothing inherent to all games that makes them impossible to translate to film.  And certainly not the mini-series format.  Castlevania is actually a series far more adaptable than most, given it's rich history, unique and interesting characters, drama, and potential for spectacle.  Some people just can't handle adaptations of things they love.  I am not one of them.  Hated the Hellboy movies, still love the comic, and don't hate on them for trying.  If this series is bad, ok, Castlevania is basically dead anyway, at least we get a few more breaths before it croaks to pachi-slot hell.  If it's awesome, then hell yeah.  Maybe we can get a Bloodstained riffing "Castlevania: The Animated Series - The Game!"  Which would essentially be an Igavania Cv3 remake, which even if not great, would still be pretty great.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 16, 2017, 05:53:39 AM
You know t[ Invalid YouTube link ]he saying "don't knock something before you've tried it?" Well, sometimes, that is wrong. I feyhar this series cannot possibly deliver on what Castlevania is and what makes the series so beloved. Oftentimes, things that are originally conceived as a game are better left alone as such. Ah well, at least it will be an *animated* series. One shudders to think what a horrible mess a real-life adaption would be.

Well Dracula Untold is basically LoS1 abridged
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on May 16, 2017, 06:25:05 AM
Well Dracula Untold is basically LoS1 abridged
Every time I see that movie, I get ideas for a CV adaptation. It's the closest thing we have to a CV blockbuster movie.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on May 16, 2017, 07:09:54 AM
Every time I see that movie, I get ideas for a CV adaptation. It's the closest thing we have to a CV blockbuster movie.

VanHelsing.

Unfortunately both movies are terrible.  And I really feel that Dracula Untold only very vaguely resembles LoS.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on May 16, 2017, 10:21:00 AM
Well Dracula Untold is basically LoS1 abridged

And both the movie and the game where awful, which only proves my point.

Also, damn you, PlotTwist. That was horrible. XD
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: affinity on May 16, 2017, 11:42:33 AM
all that movie money is better making more Castlevania quality type games.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: uzo on May 16, 2017, 01:35:04 PM
Wait, hold on. So who is playing the goat??
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on May 16, 2017, 04:20:32 PM
Turns out James Callis was Gaius Baltar on the Battlestar Galactica reboot. Maybe he's Alucard... or Isaac in the unlikely event they acknowledge COD.

Wait, hold on. So who is playing the goat??

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on May 17, 2017, 07:15:53 PM
VanHelsing.

Unfortunately both movies are terrible.

Van Helsing is actually a better Monster Mash than the first few Castlevanias, carrying all the ham and cheese that is inherent to that formula with aplomb and never ever refusing to acknowledge it, instead pinning it all to its chest with pride. It knows exactly what kind of movie it is and has all the fun it possibly can with that. "Not serious" doesn't ever mean "bad" in and of itself.

Also, according to the Xbox game, the Belmont family exists and is (or was) active in the film's world as well, if a book found in a in-game library is anything to go by.

So it's hardly like Castlevania wasn't one of their inspirations. Even Dracula's midget vertically challenged minions, the Dwergi, physically resemble Flea Men (of all the possible things they might have looked like). Van Helsing even gets a callback in Order of Ecclesia with the Succubi being dead ringers for Dracula's brides in the film. So it's all in good fun and the evidence suggests Iga liked it pretty well too.

I feel no shame in calling it the best (and only) Castlevania film we're ever likely to get.

As to whether this series can deliver, while I like Tatasciore, he's nowhere near good enough to carry a series by himself and so I really hope the rest of the cast can carry their own weight.

The way I see it, since Van Helsing is a silly and less serious romp with all the horror trappings, like we tend to regard the NES-to-Genesis era today, this darker more serious turn seems more akin to the late 90's franchise as it was struggling to figure out how to adapt and move forward in a new climate and darkened and grittied up for a time before it came back down a few notches in 2002. Given that the Castlevania brand is finally starting to wake up from a long sleep via this series, I find this... not entirely inappropriate. Fingers crossed, but I won't hold my breath yet -- there's still a pretty big margin for fuckup here.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on May 18, 2017, 01:37:37 AM
Van Helsing is actually a better Monster Mash than the first few Castlevanias, carrying all the ham and cheese that is inherent to that formula with aplomb and never ever refusing to acknowledge it, instead pinning it all to its chest with pride. It knows exactly what kind of movie it is and has all the fun it possibly can with that. "Not serious" doesn't ever mean "bad" in and of itself.

Also, according to the Xbox game, the Belmont family exists and is (or was) active in the film's world as well, if a book found in a in-game library is anything to go by.

So it's hardly like Castlevania wasn't one of their inspirations. Even Dracula's midget vertically challenged minions, the Dwergi, physically resemble Flea Men (of all the possible things they might have looked like). Van Helsing even gets a callback in Order of Ecclesia with the Succubi being dead ringers for Dracula's brides in the film. So it's all in good fun and the evidence suggests Iga liked it pretty well too.

I feel no shame in calling it the best (and only) Castlevania film we're ever likely to get.

As to whether this series can deliver, while I like Tatasciore, he's nowhere near good enough to carry a series by himself and so I really hope the rest of the cast can carry their own weight.

The way I see it, since Van Helsing is a silly and less serious romp with all the horror trappings, like we tend to regard the NES-to-Genesis era today, this darker more serious turn seems more akin to the late 90's franchise as it was struggling to figure out how to adapt and move forward in a new climate and darkened and grittied up for a time before it came back down a few notches in 2002. Given that the Castlevania brand is finally starting to wake up from a long sleep via this series, I find this... not entirely inappropriate. Fingers crossed, but I won't hold my breath yet -- there's still a pretty big margin for fuckup here.

COMPLETELY agree.

The Van Hellsing film gets to much hate in my opinion, it felt to me very much like a Castlevania film even though it was not which was great for me, the only thing I disliked was the portrayal of Dracula, they should have gotten a better actor to fit the Dracula role, other than that I have always held it as a pseudo CV film considering the slim chances of getting a actual live action one.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on May 18, 2017, 12:50:01 PM
COMPLETELY agree.

The Van Hellsing film gets to much hate in my opinion, it felt to me very much like a Castlevania film even though it was not which was great for me, the only thing I disliked was the portrayal of Dracula, they should have gotten a better actor to fit the Dracula role, other than that I have always held it as a pseudo CV film considering the slim chances of getting a actual live action one.

I liked the camp Dracula, but I totally get what you mean -- there are more than a few "so campy I must wince" moments provided therein. Richard Roxburgh was at the time a very well connected actor who was close friends with Stephen Sommers (the director). I don't know for certain, but from what I know of both of them I don't think Roxburgh "wormed" his way in; I think it was more akin to Sommers needed someone in the role, and remembered that he was friends with this nice and talented guy who'd done good/fun work in stuff like The Hound of the Baskervilles, Moulin Rouge!, and Mission Impossible 2 and felt he'd be a good fit for the film he was putting together. And largely, I feel that was true. He was a good fit. He just got... carried away more than a few times. But then, if you're gonna get carried away and unleash the full power of your inner ham and cheese omelet and leave no corner of the scenery unchewed... Van Helsing is absolutely the film you should do it in.

It's in that category of films also occupied by Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and Pride, Prejudice, and Zombies: no critic aside from Roger Ebert would have ever said nice things about them, but goddamn they're fun movies to watch and maybe riff with a few friends. And they're made specifically to be like that.

So, I have never understood the hate, either.

But alas, we're getting off track, so I shall shut up for the time being and wait for someone else to say something a little more topical.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on May 18, 2017, 01:49:48 PM
 :rollseyes:
"It's ok for the movie to be bad because it knows it's not serious." No. Just no.  I love plenty of non serious movies,  and hardly the type to demand serious grittiness. VanHelsing is a terrible movie.   I remember when it came out in theaters,  I don't think I've ever been as excited for a movie. It was clearly a Castlevania RIP off, and I LOVED that.  I remember watching tv behind the scenes specials before release.  I played the game and was the first person to post a screen cap of the Belmont reference on the ancient dungeon forum, I still love the game.  I even still go back and watch the movie every so many years trying to like it. It is just a bad, bad, bad movie.   And I enjoy the Subspecies franchise.  It deserves the repuation it has. The animated mini prequel was about as bad too.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 18, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
I look at Van Helsing much like Underworld as a whole -- good bit of campy fun, just don't think too hard about most of it.

That and:

-Kate Beckinsale actually getting to use her regular voice/accent
-A pretty fucking underrated Dracula performance IMO, despite the camp, and one that breaks the Lugosi mold in a way I really enjoy (that fucking Hungarian accent)
-Kate Beckinsale kicking ass in Victorian gear
-Kate Beckinsale
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on May 18, 2017, 05:24:39 PM
I look at Van Helsing much like Underworld as a whole -- good bit of campy fun, just don't think too hard about most of it.

That and:

-Kate Beckinsale actually getting to use her regular voice/accent
-A pretty fucking underrated Dracula performance IMO, despite the camp, and one that breaks the Lugosi mold in a way I really enjoy
-Kate Beckinsale kicking ass in Victorian gear
-Kate Beckinsale

Basically a good solid fun summer popcorn flick. Sometimes we throw popcorn at the screen because of the narminess, but that's just one more reason I love it.
:rollseyes:
"It's ok for the movie to be bad because it knows it's not serious." No. Just no.  I love plenty of non serious movies,  and hardly the type to demand serious grittiness. VanHelsing is a terrible movie.   I remember when it came out in theaters,  I don't think I've ever been as excited for a movie. It was clearly a Castlevania RIP off, and I LOVED that.  I remember watching tv behind the scenes specials before release.  I played the game and was the first person to post a screen cap of the Belmont reference on the ancient dungeon forum, I still love the game.  I even still go back and watch the movie every so many years trying to like it. It is just a bad, bad, bad movie.   And I enjoy the Subspecies franchise.  It deserves the repuation it has. The animated mini prequel was about as bad too.

I'm really sorry AlexCalvo that you don't enjoy the movie as many of us do -- for my friends it's been an annual Halloween event since the movie first came out much as there have been fans of The Rocky Horror Picture Show since it first hit the stage. I don't think Van Helsing will ultimately have the sort of timeless cheese that Rocky has, but it's still an apt comparison, because "Fun" does never equates with "Good" in and of itself.

Van Helsing isn't terrible by any objective measure (critics are NOT an objective measure, nor is Rotten Tomatoes, which is built around critics), but it's demonstrably not a good one either. Which is precisely why we who like it happen to like it. Like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, Pride, Prejudice, and Zombies, or dare I say it, Snakes on a (muthafuckin') Plane, the fun of the experience is decidedly not the objective quality production of the film. Instead, for every moment of intentionally crafted enjoyment Van Helsing has to offer, there are two more moments of ironic enjoyment that are drawn precisely out of the campy nature of the film. Which again, the movie is carefully and deliberately constructed around that type of viewing. It's not for everyone, and it seems that you aren't in the crowd it was intended for. It's sad, but it's not the end of anybody's world -- no film will win everybody over. You gave it a good shot at trying to like it, which is more than most non-fans can be expected to do; a lot of people dislike films despite never even having seen them or understood what it's about, or having gone to it with the intention of finding something to rip apart, which is almost as bad.

You gave it a shot, and it didn't pan out. Shame, but good on you for trying.

I fully anticipate that this Netflix Castlevania project is destined to be highly divisive among us fans in much the same way though. There are going to be people who love it, and those who hate it. I will probably wind up as one of those who will shrug and go "Well, at least they tried. Gold star for effort". I'd love to be proven wrong by being treated to an absolutely on-the-nose spectacle crafted by true fans of the saga who understand all the ins and outs of the property like Captain America: Winter Soldier was, but after years of bad games to other-media adaptations, I've learned a certain degree of detachment and cynicism.

Though I also really liked the Assassin's Creed and Warcraft films after I saw them, so I'm hardly the most objective viewpoint.

In my defense, I was also expecting those to be much worse than they ended up being. If nothing else they are very faithful adaptations that wound up looking very bland against a backdrop of many much more interesting films in 2016 (the one damn thing that year did right, imo).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 18, 2017, 09:56:47 PM
Kate Beckinslade doesn't really kick ass in that movie. Anna being a faux action girl is basically the only thing that annoys me in that movie (although granted, it kinda makes sense in context and she still fares better than everyone who isnt Val Hellsing or Frankenstein). I'd say The Mummy 2 did the female co-lead thing better
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 18, 2017, 10:41:39 PM
>implying there's only one kind of asskicking or that she has to match the main leads in body count

wat

I also mentioned Underworld explicitly and put VH in my same kind of viewing category. Swap "Victorian gear" for "leather bodysuit."

Also, they made a Mummy 2? I was hearing rumors about a Mummy 3 with some Chinese dude but I know it doesn't exist. There's only the first one. Sequels? Cringe-inducing CGI of a wrestler? What are people talking about? There's only The Mummy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 19, 2017, 01:33:25 AM
There clearly is two camps here:
One wants a true adaptation and the other is fine with campy fun.

For me, I would just like to see what the first episode is and then we decide if it is good or not.


But campy movies are really fun to watch. I can switch off my brain and just enjoy the ride. hahaha.

@D9: There is a new Mummy film (2017) trailer. Care to comment on it?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 19, 2017, 02:39:29 AM
if it doesn't star the frasemeister it doesn't exist
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: affinity on May 19, 2017, 07:53:00 AM
Vampire Hunter D movies are better than Van Helsing, which wasn't so bad a movie either, it's great it involved more hunters instead of simply glorifying one.

though the genre really does benefit being more grimdark.  look how mainstream Bloodborne became, and people anticipate Bloodborne 2 news at E3.

the script for the Castlevania tv series should be solid.  but character design and other things are important too.
its very strange what angle they might take it, but if the look is immature, that would really be lame.

think it's gonna be tough for them to sell a story without it feeling like some soap opera.  both Mortal Kombat TV shows (animation and live action) are horrible following the orthodox tv show molds of characterization, storyboard, scenario and events.   they dont grasp the essence of the source material.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on May 19, 2017, 08:12:34 AM
Vampire Hunter D movies are better than Van Helsing, which wasn't so bad a movie either, it's great it involved more hunters instead of simply glorifying one.

though the genre really does benefit being more grimdark.  look how mainstream Bloodborne became, and people anticipate Bloodborne 2 news at E3.

the script for the Castlevania tv series should be solid.  but character design and other things are important too.
its very strange what angle they might take it, but if the look is immature, that would really be lame.

think it's gonna be tough for them to sell a story without it feeling like some soap opera.  both Mortal Kombat TV shows (animation and live action) are horrible following the orthodox tv show molds of characterization, storyboard, scenario and events.   they dont grasp the essence of the source material.
Look into the mortal Kombat webseries "Mortal Kombat Legacy" or any of the Halo web series.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 19, 2017, 09:53:11 AM
Vampire Hunter D movies are better than Van Helsing, which wasn't so bad a movie either, it's great it involved more hunters instead of simply glorifying one.

Ehhhhh, debatable. Bloodlust was nice, but I still prefer its original Demon Deathchase plot. Adaptation went a little screwloose in places.

There's also a very specific reason D gets glorified, though I presume you meant more along the lines of "show spinoff stories of other Hunters instead of always D."
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on May 19, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
I don't know how I really feel about all this, Yes id love to see an Animation Of CV. But id like to see a better cast, as most of
The cast is really not what id what to see for CV Animation, as what we all want is quality  Voic acting , NOT actor/actresses   that can do voice acting, But Women and Men who have trained for this very thing, ones that you read the names and Think
F***** yeah there in it, ok i'll see this.

But on the flip side it might be good... I hope it'll be good... please let it be good.


 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on May 19, 2017, 06:34:20 PM
As long as we're talking about Vampire Hunter D in the context of Castlevania on Netflix, can I just say that if it ends up being half as well drawn as Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust, we'll all be in for one hell of a visual treat even if the rest sucks? Because Bloodlust is still probably the most stylistically gorgeous anime film I've ever seen, bar none. Your mileage will vary, of course, but I don't think there's a soul among us who'd call Bloodlust badly drawn. If we can get that level of visual and audio quality on the Castlevania Netflix, then... honestly it might not matter how good the actual story is if the music and visuals are up to Bloodlust's level.

I mean, I still shudder on this scene in particular.


And just the isolated audio for the soundtrack is chill-inducingly good.


I've always imagined a Belmont in a pitched hand-to-hand against Dracula atop Castlevania's tallest spire in a torrential thunderstorm when I listen to that piece, with lots of dramatic ups and downs that just force the movie to play in your head illustrating desperate odds.

Can we get Marco D'Ambrosio to do the soundtrack to this series? Pretty please?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 19, 2017, 10:08:15 PM
As long as we're talking about Vampire Hunter D in the context of Castlevania on Netflix, can I just say that if it ends up being half as well drawn as Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust, we'll all be in for one hell of a visual treat even if the rest sucks? Because Bloodlust is still probably the most stylistically gorgeous anime film I've ever seen, bar none. Your mileage will vary, of course, but I don't think there's a soul among us who'd call Bloodlust badly drawn. If we can get that level of visual and audio quality on the Castlevania Netflix, then... honestly it might not matter how good the actual story is if the music and visuals are up to Bloodlust's level.

It's up there. For me, nothing tops Akira and Miyazaki, but Bloodlust is in the top five for certain.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 21, 2017, 03:45:39 PM
And now there is something animated to look at. From what I understood from the Castlefans group, this was shown on a closed press demonstration.

I'm liking this even though I'll insist this is Shovel Knight's Tower of Fate (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0014/1962/products/product_castle_of_fate_design.png?v=1416965774). Also, notice the use of CGI.

EDIT: False alarm. This comes from a Darkstalkers trailer and is the work of quite a mischievous prankster. I removed the animated GIF.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on May 21, 2017, 06:57:24 PM
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I'm liking this even though I'll insist this is Shovel Knight's Tower of Fate. Also, notice the use of CGI.

I agree too. Still looks cool though  :)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on May 21, 2017, 07:55:34 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/R0oGqp9XycxGM/giphy.gif)

And now there is something animated to look at. From what I understood from the Castlefans group, this was shown on a closed press demonstration.

I'm liking this even though I'll insist this is Shovel Knight's Tower of Fate (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0014/1962/products/product_castle_of_fate_design.png?v=1416965774). Also, notice the use of CGI.
What is the castlefan group?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on May 22, 2017, 12:21:55 AM
Intersting small clip. I hope we get a trailer soon.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 22, 2017, 01:16:24 AM
Ooohhh CGI...
Is this 2D or 3D animation or a combination of both?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on May 22, 2017, 05:56:25 AM
The castle already looks a whole lot better. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 22, 2017, 06:07:50 AM
The castle already looks a whole lot better.

I'll have to say that I agree. I'm already more accepting of that than of the poster.

EDIT: Nevermind. It's fake.

What is the castlefan group?

It's a latinoamerican Castlevania Facebook group. (https://www.facebook.com/groups/castlefansgrupo/)

Ooohhh CGI...
Is this 2D or 3D animation or a combination of both?

Appears to be a combination of both, but very loosely. On this small clip there's a whole lot more CGI than 2D.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 22, 2017, 07:09:25 AM
OMG! I love this! I can't wait to hear the music that goes with it!

EDIT: Nevermind. Fake as hell
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 22, 2017, 08:59:55 AM
It's fake.  >:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_skngJlTDg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_skngJlTDg)

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 22, 2017, 09:56:30 AM
It's fake.  >:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_skngJlTDg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_skngJlTDg)

Awww goddammit. Back to being my grumpy self again.

EDIT: Notified the group where this appeared that it's fake.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on May 22, 2017, 10:13:04 AM
A short clip from a completely different franchise looks more appealing than the actual teaser poster.

That is a depressing thought.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 22, 2017, 10:46:44 AM
A short clip from a completely different franchise looks more appealing than the actual teaser poster.

That is a depressing thought.

Everything the gif cuts out looks like garbage, so there's that.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Kingshango on May 24, 2017, 03:01:05 PM
Teaser trailer is up. Looks like it's based off of Dracula's Curse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uDlkHPuNiY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uDlkHPuNiY)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 24, 2017, 03:06:24 PM
Looks like it's based off of Dracula's Curse

What, was this a secret or something?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSrpxOAJ.png&hash=ba1f220837235b3158bb8ab3d3d306a9)

>the castle on the background

This is what I'm talking about. STILL, right at the beginning you can see they sticked to the bizarre version of the poster. Oh well.

About the clip itself, I'm satisfied and the animation seems solid.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 03:16:11 PM
Oh MAN this looks good!! I'm sold! Everything looks better than I expected!

Can't believe this is Frederator! Looks like they've outdone themselves!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on May 24, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
Looks great so far.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 24, 2017, 03:21:53 PM
I honestly hate to be that guy... but it looks... safe?

Everything looks as expected... nothing really stands out to me.
I thought I would be really excited when the trailer dropped but I feel empty.
There isn't much to talk about sadly.

I guess Grant is in it. Yay?

Edit: Nevermind. I guess the knife thrower at the he end was Trevor too.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Rugal on May 24, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
The trailer itself is better than all three Lords of Shit games combined. David Cox and his staff of dimwitted fuck asses have been outdone by a trailer. Hopefully he goes to Kennedy's Chicken in NYC and eats himself to the point where he can't walk anymore so that this world doesn't have to stomach his pitiful excuses for video games anymore.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 24, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
About the clip itself, I'm satisfied and the animation seems solid.

The one Dracula shot (because who ELSE would that have been?) looks very much like a modern VHD. And I like the fuck out of this.

I also have a suspicion Dracula may have a Mathias reference given what I can make out of his outfit looks decently reminiscent of Mathias' getup, barring the fur collar, but this is purely conjecture from overanalyzing a one-second shot
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: aensland on May 24, 2017, 03:47:26 PM
Shirtless Alucard.

They sure know his fanbase, this looks good so far
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 03:51:07 PM
If this does well, what game will they adapt into a series next? Rondo of Blood?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheTextGuy on May 24, 2017, 03:54:21 PM
Wow, this actually looks kinda cool.  Then again, I guess my expectations were down after hearing Frederator would be animating it.  Still, am curious to see how this plays out now.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 03:55:10 PM
Higher quality trailer

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 24, 2017, 03:58:00 PM
This looks incredible.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Kingshango on May 24, 2017, 03:59:30 PM
The trailer itself is better than all three Lords of Shit games combined. David Cox and his staff of dimwitted fuck asses have been outdone by a trailer. Hopefully he goes to Kennedy's Chicken in NYC and eats himself to the point where he can't walk anymore so that this world doesn't have to stomach his pitiful excuses for video games anymore.

Goddamn you can hold a grudge like a motherfucker.(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fdeadmanny.png&hash=3a043f6e08efa3050903b90e3eb9ac48)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 24, 2017, 04:01:57 PM
I love it when this place is busy!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on May 24, 2017, 04:06:16 PM
"Inspired by the classic video game series, Castlevania is a dark medieval fantasy following the last surviving member of the disgraced Belmont clan, trying to save Eastern Europe from extinction at the hand of Vlad Dracula Tepe himself."

4 x 30 minutes
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 24, 2017, 04:09:42 PM
I honestly hate to be that guy... but it looks... safe?

Everything looks as expected... nothing really stands out to me.
I thought I would be really excited when the trailer dropped but I feel empty.
There isn't much to talk about sadly.

I guess Grant is in it. Yay?

Edit: Nevermind. I guess the knife thrower at the he end was Trevor too.

I agree it was safe as fuck. Not BAD, but safe. I also think they jumped the shark by not using an actual CVIII theme such as Opening.

Also, black haired Dracula. The animation already does something better about CVIII than IGA did (fucking insisting on SotN Dracula for CVIII).

Trevor already has the scar on his eye. Well... I'll be THAT guy and say I don't really like that, as the scar is gained from fighting Dracula at the end. It's his "symbol" of victory. Oh well.

There was a segment of Dante's Inferno that had a similar animation to this. I'm just hoping THIS does it better.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 04:14:36 PM
I'd rather have "safe" than another dramatic reboot like Lords of Shadow or something different.

This looks like a great mix of the old high fantasy art from the classic era and a bit of the new from the Ayami Kojima era, I'm getting a little bit of Hellsing and Vampire Hunter D vibes from the overall art direction.

All in all this screams Castlevania to me, they've sold me. I just got one question, though...

Where's Grant???
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Ratty on May 24, 2017, 04:14:50 PM
Whoops, in my excitement I missed that the trailer had been posted lol. Well, it's got me a bit hyped. This could be great. Though still too early to tell. Got my hopes up though.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
Turns out Frederator is not animating this after all according to an animator who posts on NeoGAF:

http://www.studiomir.co.kr/en/ (http://www.studiomir.co.kr/en/)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on May 24, 2017, 04:19:35 PM
REALLY... reaching for the hate now.  This is looking awesome.  I am so psyched, everybody looks right. Trevor is an awesome fusion of his CoD and Simon in MiD. Coy not be more stoked. Sypha looked perfect, and if alucard puts on a shirt I'm totally game.  Holy crap guys. 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Kingshango on May 24, 2017, 04:21:13 PM
I hear for the safe route rather than the dark, gritty and serious Lords of Shadow route.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 24, 2017, 04:21:44 PM

Where's Grant???

"Nah Grant is too dumb" -Warren Ellis

I'm not even kidding.

EDIT: I AM kidding on the way he said that. He used a great deal more words to explain (haphazardly) why he thought Grant was dumb way back on the other script.

While him not showing up is weird considering we have Alucard and Sypha showing up, this doesn't mean Grant isn't there...

...but I sure hope it is.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 04:26:45 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Grant is a no show, seems to be a running tradition to give Grant the shaft.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 24, 2017, 04:27:26 PM
you don't see grant in the trailer because he's jerking off on the ceiling because he knows nobody can stop him
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on May 24, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
When this was invisioned as an amimated trilpdy Grant was to show up in part 2. So I figure he'll show up in the 2nd seaon.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on May 24, 2017, 04:29:22 PM
Isn't Grant the guy throwing knives?

Also, better be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 24, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
When this was invisioned as an amimated trilpdy Grant was to show up in part 2. So I figure he'll show up in the 2nd seaon.

Which is funny considering the long spiel Ellis gave about Grant being a bad character and not wanting him in at all on another post.

It seems he ended up adding Grant to escape the tsunami of hate.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 04:31:43 PM
When this was invisioned as an amimated trilpdy Grant was to show up in part 2. So I figure he'll show up in the 2nd seaon.
I was under the impression this is only 4 episodes and season 2 is going to be an adaption of a different game.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Kingshango on May 24, 2017, 04:32:53 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Grant is a no show, seems to be a running tradition to give Grant the shaft.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steelcitylug.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2FI-see-what-you-did-there-Fry-600x133.jpg&hash=c66dee77e95a56c0fd2eef88cf64cd11)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on May 24, 2017, 04:34:04 PM
Warren Ellis initial script was for 90 minute animated movie, and it didn't even get into the castle. It was supposed to be a trilogy,  all about Dracula's Curse. That could have changed but I have seen no indication that season 2 will be about another game, though I would be cool with that.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 24, 2017, 04:41:02 PM
REALLY... reaching for the hate now.  This is looking awesome.  I am so psyched, everybody looks right. Trevor is an awesome fusion of his CoD and Simon in MiD. Coy not be more stoked. Sypha looked perfect, and if alucard puts on a shirt I'm totally game.  Holy crap guys. 😂😂😂😂

If it was directed at me... I wasn't hating. I don't think it looks bad. I understand it's because they have to animate them but they look pretty plain.
I'm glad Trevor isn't barbarian looking. Wonder what Iga thinks about it.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Foffy on May 24, 2017, 04:43:42 PM
Sypha looks gorgeous.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 24, 2017, 04:44:47 PM
Sypha looks gorgeous.

No staff. But the hand thing looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 04:47:27 PM
Bets on the soundtrack having some remixes from Castlevania 3? Didn't they say they were going for rock n roll/heavy metal?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Ratty on May 24, 2017, 04:50:29 PM
Warren Ellis initial script was for 90 minute animated movie, and it didn't even get into the castle. It was supposed to be a trilogy,  all about Dracula's Curse. That could have changed but I have seen no indication that season 2 will be about another game, though I would be cool with that.

Dracula's Curse has one of the better stories in the series (with a pretty clear arc and canonical side characters to bounce off of) so hopefully they can at least get this one right since most others would be more of a challenge. Though there are some obvious exceptions like Bloodlines, Portrait of Ruin and Rondo of Blood.

I get a definite Vampire Hunter D mixed with a little Hellsing Ultimate feel from that trailer, and as a fan of both, this could be great. Just as long as the characters are portrayed well and the action and pacing are good.

As for Grant not being in it - eh, as a hardcore fan I'd miss him a bit but he is the least interesting of the original characters in my opinion. And especially without his potential ties to the Dănești family or Ferenc Nádasdy. I could see someone wanting to make a mini-series thinking the whole Pirate angle could be too distracting/tonally different.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 24, 2017, 05:03:34 PM
As for Grant not being in it - eh, as a hardcore fan I'd miss him a bit but he is the least interesting of the original characters in my opinion. And especially without his potential ties to the Dănești family or Ferenc Nádasdy. I could see someone wanting to make a mini-series thinking the whole Pirate angle could be too distracting/tonally different.

Yeah but get this: Grant ain't a pirate.

Ellis made this mistake. "Grant is a pirate therefore Grant is silly."

Grant is a rebel who gathered others from the common people to fight Dracula. He's the ONLY guy on the group representing the common people and fighting to restore the land (as in "where people actually live and what they actually eat") of Wallachia. He's not fighting because some authority sent him or some vendetta. It's not so hard to make a character like this. But Ellis saw fit to bloat the story with characters nobody gives a shit about ("Priest of Gresit" who?)

I believe there's room for Grant. He deserves a revival of his character.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 05:09:42 PM
Is that Simon??
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FK4ovn4k.jpg&hash=90158d99a7211671df2a12764ca4ddc4)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheTextGuy on May 24, 2017, 05:10:29 PM
Turns out Frederator is not animating this after all according to an animator who posts on NeoGAF:

http://www.studiomir.co.kr/en/ (http://www.studiomir.co.kr/en/)

Huh.  That explains things (still gotta watch the Voltron on Netflix).

I believe there's room for Grant. He deserves a revival of his character.

Second this.  Would be great to see Grant appear with a prominent role, not minor cameos or as a mummy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Kingshango on May 24, 2017, 05:10:58 PM
Is that Simon??
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FK4ovn4k.jpg&hash=90158d99a7211671df2a12764ca4ddc4)


Who cares I wanna make love to that artwork. It's hitting all the spots for me.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
Powerhouse Animation is animating this afterall! It's not Mir as I had originally thought.

https://twitter.com/powerhouseanim/status/867531974117908480

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 24, 2017, 05:13:18 PM
Is that Simon??
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FK4ovn4k.jpg&hash=90158d99a7211671df2a12764ca4ddc4)

Dracula's face fits with the face that appears on the intro of the teaser:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FsNdyxQG.png&hash=00f004002440a9dc89b02ba991c4b1c3)

Also, notice it says "Kyassurubania" instead of "Akumajo Dracula".
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: thernz on May 24, 2017, 05:15:41 PM
why didnt they get ayami kojima as char designer so we could have an animation that looks like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4jY8MS-psM&t=10s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4jY8MS-psM&t=10s)

doing a riff on the cv1 box art is a missed opportunity when they could've done a riff on the original frazetta painting it's based on
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheTextGuy on May 24, 2017, 05:16:22 PM
Is that Simon??
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FK4ovn4k.jpg&hash=90158d99a7211671df2a12764ca4ddc4)

It's prolly Trevor, but the classic Castlevania 1 boxart is so iconic, so that's prolly why they're homaging that.

Also, he's giving off some Nathan Graves vibes.  I haven't played Circle of the Moon, but I think I prolly should.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 24, 2017, 05:39:26 PM
It's Trevor. Compare outfit details with what's seen in the trailer.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Saner on May 24, 2017, 05:50:09 PM
the art, character designs and animations looks greater than expected

also that woman really resembles Sypha in colors, garments, and magic user style.

that would be incredible if Grant and Alucard are in this too, which would further solidify that Belmont is Trevor.
he looks nothing like Nathan Graves, Nathan has short white/silver spiky hair, and different costume colors overall.

plus that scar seems like homage to CV: CoD Trevor. 

great music and atmosphere.  could be outstanding.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Saner on May 24, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
I was under the impression this is only 4 episodes and season 2 is going to be an adaption of a different game.
"only" 4 episodes?  four 30 minute episodes are equivalent to movie length.   with 4 episodes they could give it even more pacing, action and quality to it instead of sinking into a soap opera mood like those anime that are so long they show more talking heads than actual progression and action.

if season 2 is another story/era, that is very interesting, and more effecient in telling tales of different characters instead of the same few.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Ratty on May 24, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Yeah but get this: Grant ain't a pirate.

Yeah, we know that because we've all looked into it. But he looks like a pirate, and I think the English manual made him one. (Though it's been years since I read it.) The fact that some of the game takes place on a ghost ship I think only helped solidify this in people's minds. If you don't make him a pirate it invites the kind of uninformed backlash that happened with the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles aren't aliens!" thing, remember that?

And I get the whole champion of the common man thing, but he's still the dullest next to a sorceress, son of Dracula and a Belmont.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: VladCT on May 24, 2017, 06:55:09 PM
I'm still erring on the cautious side for this on account of POWER/RANGERS being a bit of an edgy wank IMO.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on May 24, 2017, 07:03:26 PM
So, nitpicking the teaser, I noticed that something DID survive from Ellis' script...

From the script (possible spoiler warning):

(click to show/hide)

From the teaser:

(click to show/hide)

I'd not mention it if it weren't such an oddly specific detail to make it into the animation.

[goat-fucking joke possibility intensifies]

EDIT: Put stuff on spoiler tags because if the script is being followed WEW LAD
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: affinity on May 24, 2017, 07:16:51 PM
"Nah Grant is too dumb" -Warren Ellis

I'm not even kidding.

EDIT: I AM kidding on the way he said that. He used a great deal more words to explain (haphazardly) why he thought Grant was dumb way back on the other script.

While him not showing up is weird considering we have Alucard and Sypha showing up, this doesn't mean Grant isn't there...

...but I sure hope it is.

with that quote, Ellis exposes his idiotic, ignorant and shallow minded side.   He's too dumb to make Grant cool and make sense in this Castlevania tv series.
maybe it's his insecure way of saying the artists and animators are too lazy to dedicate their work on involving an extra key character in the episodes.
though would say it's the former and Warren is just a total biased idiot. 
  if they are gonna base the story on Castlevania III, no characters should be cut, especially one of the playable characters that can join Trevor.   

like really, it's not like they are juggling a One Piece sized cast of characters.

 or Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust sized cast either, and that movie involved at least 6 hunters, counting D. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 24, 2017, 07:22:20 PM
So, nitpicking the teaser, I noticed that something DID survive from Ellis' script...

From the script (possible spoiler warning):

(click to show/hide)

From the teaser:

(click to show/hide)

I'd not mention it if it weren't such an oddly specific detail to make it into the animation.

[goat-fucking joke possibility intensifies]

EDIT: Put stuff on spoiler tags because if the script is being followed WEW LAD
Ooooh, good eye.

I hope the goat fucking was omitted cuz lmao
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Belmontoya on May 24, 2017, 07:31:59 PM
I'm not gonna get hung up on any changes they make. As long as it's good and it feels like Castlevania.

I usually skipped Grant in CV3 so... Maybe Trevor just took the other path in this series! lol

So far it looks, sounds, and feels like Castlevania to me!

I'm very excited and happy about the trailer. I can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: yamabigdog on May 24, 2017, 07:37:19 PM
I am beyond pumped up for this!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on May 24, 2017, 07:44:11 PM
Always wondered how the actual show would look like. And I'll admit it actually looks great. I wouldn't mind follow-up series (DX and SOTN especially) being done in this style.

The writing/plot is another matter. It does look like they're following Ellis' draft, and the very idea's pretty nailbiting. Let's hope the execution makes up for it, or that the script's significantly different now.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 24, 2017, 07:57:06 PM
I'm still erring on the cautious side for this on account of POWER/RANGERS being a bit of an edgy wank IMO.
POWER/RANGERS was made with the intention of being a joke trailer, making fun of the notion that was highly circulating entertainment during the 00s-early 2010s where every thing "re-imagined" has to be done so through a dark, gritty and "grounded" form. That trailer was poking fun at that sorta bullshit trend. Fuckin' buzzwords, I remember that time, I would search through Bloody Disgusting articles and how many reboots were being announced where the directors and producers were pushing the whole "grounded, gritty reboot" angle. Glad we've moved past that, for the most part. There's still grounded, gritty properties, but they don't go out of their way to say it, they just DO it and nuff said!

That being said, never was a fan of the LoS series, so seeing this teaser, yeah, THIS is the Castlevania I know and love. MY Castlevania!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 24, 2017, 09:05:49 PM
Just 4 episodes? Oh well...
I liked the animation, so it is a must watch.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on May 24, 2017, 09:14:11 PM
Have you seen that the crest in tbe back of Trevor looks very very similar to the LOS Belmont Crest?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 24, 2017, 09:32:31 PM
That's exactly what that sigil is a reference to.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on May 24, 2017, 10:26:42 PM
This looks okay. It's not mind-blowing in terms of animation, but it looks decent enough. although Trevor's whip should be the long chain flail as that's the true form of the weapon itself. If anything leather is only going to end up turning Dracula's crank a bit  :-[

Quote
He's not fighting because some authority sent him or some vendetta.

Actually Grant does have a vendetta. Against Dracula because of what the vampire king did to his family, and then imprisoning him as a cursed spirit in the clocktower. Both Japanese and English games indicate this though the English version was a lot lighter in tone.

Quote
I'm glad Trevor isn't barbarian looking.

He seems to be more barbarian-looking in the trailer with all the skins he's wearing. Whereas in the CVIII game cart art he's almost wearing full-on plate mail which makes him look more like a knight then what Simon was sporting in CVI.
Title: Netflix CastleVania Trailer
Post by: Eric Roman on May 24, 2017, 10:29:11 PM


In the immortal words of Val Venis:

"I came...

...I saw...

...and I came again."

(Does this mean I have to update DCTP something fierce for its 20th Anniversary on Sunday?)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 24, 2017, 11:10:33 PM
I think "barbaric" in this context means more the whole Conan "no sleeves, no pants, look at these chiseled muscles wait ow why are they taking damage" thing, not necessarily that he's wearing skins.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Bloo on May 24, 2017, 11:44:38 PM
On the poster, Dracula looks like Dave Grohl.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Oniros on May 24, 2017, 11:56:21 PM
I am beyond pumped up for this!
Same, it looks so much better than I expected!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on May 25, 2017, 01:16:24 AM
When I checked the Dungeon this morning and saw this thread had exploded I knew something must have been revealed.

At first, I really dreaded watching the trailer. But from what I saw, I think like they really nailed the look of how CV's world should look like in animated form. I'm honestly suprised at how animeish this looks despite the fact that before they insisted it was absolutely not going to be anime. So it's no suprise to me that this isn't actually being done anymore by Frederator.  I have never heard before of Powerhouse Animation but they seem like an excellent choice.   

Moving on to my thoughts about the character designs. I think they a really good job on Sypha. Her looks reminds of a really cool piece of fan art of her that I found years ago. Alucard is looking like Alucard, so that's fine with me. Dracula, with his longish hair, as well as the mustache and goatee, looks like a younger version of CoD incarnation. So that's neat! I'm glad they went with that character design instead of a Bela Lugosi look or something like that. Trevor looks good as well. His character design is something I could see appearing in an actual game. I couldn't see clearly if he already had his eye scar, like Plottwist said.   

So consider me relieved when it comes to the look and character designs! I guess what remains now is to wait and see how good the script will be.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on May 25, 2017, 03:59:17 AM
Wow, colour me surprised, this is looking better than I was expecting!  It's reminding me a lot visually of Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust and Hellsing Ultimate, as has already been mentioned, which is actually the sort of style I'd go for.  Alucard looks amazing (aside for a small nitpick of his hair being a touch too dark a blonde, but yay for them going for the Ayami Kojma redesign), and Sypha looks fabulous.  I think Trevor's look is the one I'm least keen on, but then again, to me Trevor looks like his CoD onwards incarnation.  But I think that it works, as like with the aims for the Vampire Hunter D series,this seems to have a fusion of Western animation meets anime look to it, and Trevor's design here fits that.  The music sounds spot on as well, which also makes me very happy.  The intro bit is kind of reminding me of Baba Yaga's music box arrangement of Vampire Killer.  I'm wondering whether in this version, they'll be using the original background for Alucard being a full vampire, or whether like with his appearance use his SotN onwards backstory as a dhampir.  This was a great surprise before heading to bed for me.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on May 25, 2017, 05:23:17 AM
If this does well, what game will they adapt into a series next? Rondo of Blood?

This might be an inpopular opinion, but I hope they don't adapt any other games. The reason adapting CV3 is interesting is because there's enough amount of material to expand on, plus there's the benefit of adding later contributions to the canon like perhaps elements from LoI and SotN. If they would adapt, say the original Castlevania, that might sound cool at first but if you think about it a little more the amount of material they would have to work with would fit on a paper napkin. It would be: "Simon goes into the castle and kills things: The Animation". CV3 has the only plot that lends itself well to adaptation.   
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 25, 2017, 07:59:10 AM
This might be an inpopular opinion, but I hope they don't adapt any other games. The reason adapting CV3 is interesting is because there's enough amount of material to expand on, plus there's the benefit of adding later contributions to the canon like perhaps elements from LoI and SotN. If they would adapt, say the original Castlevania, that might sound cool at first but if you think about it a little more the amount of material they would have to work with would fit on a paper napkin. It would be: "Simon goes into the castle and kills things: The Animation". CV3 has the only plot that lends itself well to adaptation.   

Other than adapting the "Dracula X" stuff i cant picture any other Castlevanias working as a tv show.
I would honestly prefer more games.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: e105beta on May 25, 2017, 08:00:34 AM
This might be an inpopular opinion, but I hope they don't adapt any other games. The reason adapting CV3 is interesting is because there's enough amount of material to expand on, plus there's the benefit of adding later contributions to the canon like perhaps elements from LoI and SotN. If they would adapt, say the original Castlevania, that might sound cool at first but if you think about it a little more the amount of material they would have to work with would fit on a paper napkin. It would be: "Simon goes into the castle and kills things: The Animation". CV3 has the only plot that lends itself well to adaptation.   

I agree that the original Castlevania doesn't have a ton of plot to draw on for an adaptation, but I could see them adapting something like Rondo of Blood. You'd have the attack on Aljiba to set up Richter's quest, and then Terra, Iris, and most importantly Maria and Annette as side characters for Richter to play off of, along with Shaft and his role in resurrecting Dracula. It would also be a perfect tie-in to a potential Symphony of the Night series.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on May 25, 2017, 08:21:00 AM
I could picture a Sorrow arc animated adaptation working.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Zetheraxza on May 25, 2017, 08:44:32 AM
I just hope this brings Castlevania back to the game from retirement once more if this becomes quite successful. We haven't had anything Castlevania for a while, so at least a good series may promote newcomers to the games, right? At least that should be the intent for the series. I am just glad that Castlevania has been granted an opportunity to shine once more into the darkness it fell and make more games after this. And besides, this isn't some obscure niche anime production, it is a Netflix Orginal which is serious business. Maybe this is the right step to promote Castlevania right now, not by another game but another media.................................. .... I secretly thing Hideo Kojima is still in Konami and gave this idea. Animation is the best format for Castlevania, I would never have it go live action.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 25, 2017, 09:30:11 AM
After 30 years Castlevania media is still getting confusing names.

Now we have...

Castlevania (NES)
Castlevania (N64)
Castlevania (Netflix Series)

Imagine explaining this to a newcomer, Castlevania (not to be confused with the first game or the N64 Game) is based on the 3rd game called Dracula's Curse (Legend in Japan) But Legends not in Japan is a Gameboy game.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on May 25, 2017, 09:57:35 AM
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If they would adapt, say the original Castlevania, that might sound cool at first but if you think about it a little more the amount of material they would have to work with would fit on a paper napkin. It would be: "Simon goes into the castle and kills things: The Animation".

Yes and no. Simon had two adventures against the Count. Utilising both games could easily make one animated movie. For instance The prologue of said movie would be CVI. And we have Simon as he had battled his way up to Dracula's keep. We see him walking towards his destiny while showing snippets of the monsters and mythological creatures he had just slain to get there. Then we get to the Count himself. No words or would be spoken as the two then clash. Once defeated Simon walks away from the Count's broken body and later we see the castle denigrate as the Belmont looks on (presumably with his wife Serena that he rescues). Fast forward 8 years later and we have the CVII story pick up which tells the rest of Simon's tale. And it is very doable since CVII had multiple villages and people to talk to even if they spoke nonsense (which wouldn't be the case in an animated feature).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: KaZudra on May 25, 2017, 10:11:13 AM
Yes and no. Simon had two adventures against the Count. Utilising both games could easily make one animated movie. For instance The prologue of said movie would be CVI. And we have Simon as he had battled his way up to Dracula's keep. We see him walking towards his destiny while showing snippets of the monsters and mythological creatures he had just slain to get there. Then we get to the Count himself. No words or would be spoken as the two then clash. Once defeated Simon walks away from the Count's broken body and later we see the castle denigrate as the Belmont looks on (presumably with his wife Serena that he rescues). Fast forward 8 years later and we have the CVII story pick up which tells the rest of Simon's tale. And it is very doable since CVII had multiple villages and people to talk to even if they spoke nonsense (which wouldn't be the case in an animated feature).

CV2 animated can literally be Samurai Jack S5
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on May 25, 2017, 11:35:39 AM
One thing I hope they do is correct Dracula's name to Vlad Tepes, rather than Vlad Tepe, as I'm seeing everywhere.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on May 25, 2017, 12:40:16 PM
Yes and no. Simon had two adventures against the Count. Utilising both games could easily make one animated movie. For instance The prologue of said movie would be CVI. And we have Simon as he had battled his way up to Dracula's keep. We see him walking towards his destiny while showing snippets of the monsters and mythological creatures he had just slain to get there. Then we get to the Count himself. No words or would be spoken as the two then clash. Once defeated Simon walks away from the Count's broken body and later we see the castle denigrate as the Belmont looks on (presumably with his wife Serena that he rescues). Fast forward 8 years later and we have the CVII story pick up which tells the rest of Simon's tale. And it is very doable since CVII had multiple villages and people to talk to even if they spoke nonsense (which wouldn't be the case in an animated feature).

Color me skeptical. Let's assume this series would also be 8 episodes in total. The prologue would only last 5 to 10 minutes. How would you fill up the remaing 230 minutes?

Another problem that would rise if they went in such a direction would be that the story would basically be the same thing as this animated series except with less characters and story hooks. I know the storyline of Castlevania is inherently repetitive but when it comes to the games it's less of an issue because story has always been an afterthought for the series. However, I think that problem becomes more prominent when you try adapting multiple games in a row. Also, this is perhaps more of a minor issue, but for casual audiences it might be very confusing to suddenly jump ahead from Trevor's era to Simon's. That wouldn't be a very logical way to advance the narrative.       
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on May 25, 2017, 01:08:24 PM
Color me skeptical. Let's assume this series would also be 8 episodes in total. The prologue would only last 5 to 10 minutes. How would you fill up the remaing 230 minutes?

Another problem that would rise if they went in such a direction would be that the story would basically be the same thing as this animated series except with less characters and story hooks. I know the storyline of Castlevania is inherently repetitive but when it comes to the games it's less of an issue because story has always been an afterthought for the series. However, I think that problem becomes more prominent when you try adapting multiple games in a row. Also, this is perhaps more of a minor issue, but for casual audiences it might be very confusing to suddenly jump ahead from Trevor's era to Simon's. That wouldn't be a very logical way to advance the narrative.     

This show would be a good way to soft reboot the series.
I mean, the Lords of Shadow storyline got convoluted in only 3 games. And the 30 year old IGA timeline hasn't gotten a canon game in 10 years.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: FeRcHuLeS on May 25, 2017, 02:55:17 PM
Does anyone know who is going to give voice to Alucard? Robert Belgrade??
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on May 25, 2017, 03:44:24 PM
Well, the final line spoken in the trailer is confirmed as being Trevor, according to the subtitles on the trailer on Netflix itself, so so his VA at least shoudl be pin down-able for those who know the names listed as the main cast.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: C Belmont on May 25, 2017, 06:04:48 PM
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Well, the final line spoken in the trailer is confirmed as being Trevor, according to the subtitles on the trailer on Netflix itself, so so his VA at least should be pin down-able for those who know the names listed as the main cast.

I don’t know about that, it’s possible the trailer is being intentionally misleading. 

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on May 25, 2017, 07:12:27 PM
Well, if they ever do adapt Simon's story, they could always take the Samurai Jack route and have it's narrative focus solely through action and atmosphere.

I wouldn't be against them skipping to Rondo of Blood or another game though. Bloodlines would be very interesting to see animated.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on May 25, 2017, 10:36:47 PM
Huh, that actually looks good. Someone was definitely watching Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust while animating this as all they'd need is the art style and it'd be a perfect 1:1. Really captures the atmosphere and aesthetic of the games with the moody Gothic vibes. Apparently there'll be a second season as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if they do Rondo of Blood/SOTN next as a double feature considering the reason III was chosen was due to Alucard
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on May 25, 2017, 11:59:17 PM
I don’t know about that, it’s possible the trailer is being intentionally misleading. 

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The reason I've said that is because in the subtitles it explicitly gives Trevor's name as the speaker of the last line, whereas no-one else who speaks is named.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 26, 2017, 01:23:59 AM
I would be willing to bet disgusting amounts of money on them not using that incredibly vague and basic-ass script synopsis anymore. Those are never permanent.

It's Trevor.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: suomynona on May 26, 2017, 04:28:50 AM
I hope they don't ruin this VG-adapted media for once. It's way much better then Konami's Anime style. Let's see if any Japanese version shows out.

Also, I'm so happy to see Sypha's original design return (first time since.. for like 7 or 8 Olympics before). I'm surprisingly looking forward for it.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 26, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
can't wait till i find out what all the kids who haven't played Castlevania think of this.  oh yeah, it's not for kids (but that won't stop them)

i'll bet Iga is fan-boying over this trailer too haha.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 27, 2017, 01:26:48 AM
i'll bet Iga is fan-boying over this trailer too haha.

I bet he is. Now I have a mental image of IGA getting giddy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on May 27, 2017, 02:17:49 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2F54g7AMz.png&hash=c6e5663c1a10155472d691003d3e4566)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on May 27, 2017, 03:15:53 AM
Lmao!  That's perfect! :D  "Live, monster, you belong in this world!"

In all seriousness, guys, it's lifting my cold, black heart to see people getting so stoked about this. It's like a little ray of daylight banishing the terrible night that is going on so much atm.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: affinity on May 30, 2017, 02:58:30 PM
CVIII is a multi hero tale, so if the main cast are split up, it can change character perspectives depending on the situation,

 kind of like Demon City Shinjuku

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: 13th Street on June 04, 2017, 12:16:20 AM
The trailer itself is better than all three Lords of Shit games combined. David Cox and his staff of dimwitted fuck asses have been outdone by a trailer. Hopefully he goes to Kennedy's Chicken in NYC and eats himself to the point where he can't walk anymore so that this world doesn't have to stomach his pitiful excuses for video games anymore.

I like you.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on June 04, 2017, 10:40:16 AM
Rugal is brutal when it comes to CV, no question about it.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on June 04, 2017, 09:12:54 PM
I'm already impatient for a new trailer, only one month to go until the series goes live on Netflix
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: darkmanx_429 on June 05, 2017, 07:18:24 PM
the art, character designs and animations looks greater than expected

also that woman really resembles Sypha in colors, garments, and magic user style.

that would be incredible if Grant and Alucard are in this too, which would further solidify that Belmont is Trevor.
he looks nothing like Nathan Graves, Nathan has short white/silver spiky hair, and different costume colors overall.

plus that scar seems like homage to CV: CoD Trevor. 

great music and atmosphere.  could be outstanding.

They showed Alucard via CV3 looking Alucard too.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Foffy on June 06, 2017, 09:06:18 AM
They showed Alucard via CV3 looking Alucard too.

CV3 Alucard has short black hair, though.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on June 07, 2017, 12:09:19 AM
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CV3 Alucard has short black hair, though.

Yeah that's another detail different about this adaption as much as Grant being a no-show.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 07, 2017, 01:50:51 AM
They showed Alucard via CV3 looking Alucard too.

To bring in peeps who only knew Alucard from SOTN.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 07, 2017, 08:46:38 AM
so when is iga ever gonna explain how and why alucard went with slickback and hair dye literally once his entire known life

was it just to make fun of his deadbeat dad or what
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Foffy on June 07, 2017, 09:09:24 AM
Maybe vampires can go bald so he adopted a wig?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 07, 2017, 09:17:52 AM
yes

you genius that's it

the true secret of castlevania

alucard's hair was a lie all along
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Foffy on June 07, 2017, 10:56:43 AM
I mean, think about it.

"What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets!"

The secret was baldness.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 07, 2017, 11:13:03 AM
I mean, think about it.

"What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets!"


The secret was baldness.

Usually not a fan of topic devolving into joke posts, but damn...  that is some good shit.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on June 07, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
Are we getting all episodes at once or they gonna dole them out one by one? My only experience with Netflix is the Marvel shows.

so when is iga ever gonna explain how and why alucard went with slickback and hair dye literally once his entire known life

was it just to make fun of his deadbeat dad or what

It was one hell of a beauty sleep.

https://youtu.be/Wl0WmfVct8Q?t=4m
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 07, 2017, 11:06:54 PM
As for Grant being a no show, maybe in this version Trevor decided to skip the first clock tower and Grant's still stuck in ape man form.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: JR on June 08, 2017, 02:02:55 AM

Also, I'm so happy to see Sypha's original design return (first time since.. for like 7 or 8 Olympics before). I'm surprisingly looking forward for it.

Haha, using the Olympics as a measure of time...I'm stealing that.


Are we getting all episodes at once or they gonna dole them out one by one? My only experience with Netflix is the Marvel shows.


Should be all at once. I don't think I've ever seen them drip-feed episodes of a show before...or at least if they have, putting out the entire season at once seems to be the norm.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 08, 2017, 09:42:57 AM
Dracula looks so awesome
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tubefilter.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2Fcastlevania-rooster-teeth.jpg&hash=3ee9c1a38dfb106a7a7ab70036b7b255)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 08, 2017, 10:14:13 AM
Overanalysis time: what's the stuff behind Dracula's head? Could be just a bush but since it's placed in the center of the shot, it might be something significant.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on June 08, 2017, 10:17:41 AM
Dracula looks so awesome

Not amused. Looks like an annoyed Don Ramon (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-grHb78LXOYQ/Tp3mvCFzyiI/AAAAAAAAAAk/e9azMv9mbFI/s1600/seu-madruga_chaves-2.jpg) to me.

I dig how his eyes were made, though -- you can see an insanity on them by the way they were drawn. Liked him a great deal more on that poster. Maybe this static shot is not helping.

Overanalysis time: what's the stuff behind Dracula's head? Could be just a bush but since it's placed in the center of the shot, it might be something significant.

I think he's sitting at his throne and that is part of the ornament.

EDIT: No, forget what I just said. I'm without my glasses. That's CLEARLY grass, and that appears to be a trail behind him.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 08, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
I think he's sitting at his throne and that is part of the ornament.

Actually, I think that scene is supposed to take place outdoors. Isn't that grass behind him?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on June 08, 2017, 10:23:31 AM
Actually, I think that scene is supposed to take place outdoors. Isn't that grass behind him?

Just edited my comment :3
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 08, 2017, 10:34:25 AM
@plottwist Si seras, si seras!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 08, 2017, 11:10:06 AM
Ten bucks it's a grave. Probably his, or Lisa's.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 08, 2017, 11:19:58 AM
Ten bucks it's a grave. Probably his, or Lisa's.
I'll take that bet.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on June 09, 2017, 01:00:36 AM
Did a new trailer come out??
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on June 10, 2017, 05:07:07 PM
Dracula looks so awesome
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tubefilter.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2Fcastlevania-rooster-teeth.jpg&hash=3ee9c1a38dfb106a7a7ab70036b7b255)

WOW, man I really can't wait for this to come out, I've always wanted CV to get a really nicely animated show, and so  far, this really look like the real deal.

But one thing does bother me and this is just a silly pet peeve, But I do wonder who else agrees with me that
Vampire Killer should have been purple.

As we all know the colour purple symbolizes power.

And that's why  I think they Picked  that colour way back in CV3 as in
LoI  its icon colour was purple.

when sara's soul goes in to the whip, the whip flashes purple.
As well as its aura when you strike a foe. I think that they were trying to convey the unimaginable power it holds
And some of the whip sprites are purple.

I can understand that the makers of the show may not want a purple whip. But I really do think that the whip when used should have an aura to it.

But that's just what I think.

But on a side note, if I was making a Cv game, id make it so that you can level your whip up, and when you power it up fully the whip's colour becomes purple.
But Again that's just me
. (Darm my crappy sprite, and programing skills)

 


 
 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on June 10, 2017, 06:41:21 PM
Drac lookin pimp
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: zangetsu468 on June 11, 2017, 04:59:27 AM
Interesting. Dracula actually does look a lot like Mathias + age and facial hair.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 11, 2017, 08:20:19 AM
I really love the Kojima influence on the art, it's very apparent, but toned down a bit, which is perfect.  Drac even has the classic Kojima straight line nose. I am more psyched with literally everything we are shown.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on June 12, 2017, 03:15:20 AM
James Callis is also one of the main characters in the 12 Monkeys TV series. I recognized him once I saw his face.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: BloodyShadowoftheDarkness on June 12, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
It looks really good so far.
I really like the animation style, it seems like it will be very fluid.

I cannot wait to see more.
And of course, I hope it will a good and faithful adaptation.
Since it's just a small trailer, I will make a little wish list (note, that I do not necessarily expect all of these to be there, but I would love if they were).
What I would like to see:
-The music from the game in some form or another (arranged of course), at least in some scenes, wherever they fit in properly.
-Recognizable adaptations of the locations in-game, obviously not identical, but I want to be able to recognize signature locations from the game (Clockwork, Mad Forest and the like) in an way or another.

That said, I'm curious to see how they will handle the characters.
It really looks promising, so I'm looking forward to it.
I assume I will not be disappointed, but I'm not making extremely high expectations yet.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 21, 2017, 03:36:01 PM
New image. Better and better.  I'd prefer a beefier Trevor, but this is almost perfect.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv181%2FJerkofwonder%2F19433435_10156447118738782_1148604207_n_1.jpg&hash=beaf71d9befd823d3bf9413dafbba5c1)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on June 21, 2017, 03:38:45 PM
Nice image. Would that confirm there's no Grant? Or is Grant the guy with the fur coat in the trailer?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 21, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
It's most likely Grant will appear in season 2.  Given what has been said previously in the project's history.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on June 21, 2017, 04:26:30 PM
Nice image. Would that confirm there's no Grant? Or is Grant the guy with the fur coat in the trailer?

Grant does not show up on the trailer. It's all Trevor.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheTextGuy on June 21, 2017, 05:22:35 PM
Grant does not show up on the trailer. It's all Trevor.

Aight, now that's a shame.  Ironically Grant was the first possible teammate you could get in Dracula's Curse.  Always liked that guy, and thought that there could've been a lot more done with him and the Danastys.  Still gonna watch the series, but well still, shame about Grant.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 21, 2017, 05:28:14 PM
I'm gonna be pretty upset if Grant doesn't make it to the show.
But for now I will assume we will see him in next season.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 21, 2017, 07:58:29 PM
Grant's gonna end up the Green Ranger in this group.
Either that, or the Anubis (Ronin Warriors reference), where he's bad at first (like in CVIII as a Boss) but then turns around and joins you later.

Or they'll fuck it up and he'll never be in there.  It would be a shame, though.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on June 21, 2017, 08:15:51 PM
(Ronin Warriors reference)
(Ronin Warriors reference)
(Ronin Warriors reference)

(https://media.tenor.com/images/15554737c948477d774cbe337366a018/tenor.gif)

I... I thought I was the only one who ever watched that show... *wipes away a tear*
I AM NOT ALONE!!

Also, seriously, Anubis was boss as hell. I'd totally be cool with Grant taking that role.
Which is ironic seeing as Anubis' weapons were more ninja-like than any of the other Dark Warlords.

And Grant's a ninja.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on June 22, 2017, 12:09:07 AM
That's a skinny looking Trevor, probably just because it's an inbetween frame.

I love the designs for everyone so far, still excited for this. July is very close, wonder if we'll get another trailer soon.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 22, 2017, 12:18:21 AM
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I... I thought I was the only one who ever watched that show... *wipes away a tear*
I AM NOT ALONE!!


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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 22, 2017, 05:28:15 AM
So given that Trevor is clearly inspired by his CoD look,Alucard by his SoTN look, and Dracula having shades of Mathias, can we all agree that these guys know the series well, and we can expect to see references from well beyond just Cv3?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 22, 2017, 06:30:07 AM
So far, when it comes to the overall look and the character designs, I definitely think they are hitting the right notes. However, personally, I want to know  a little bit more about the script. The visual references to LoI, CoD and SotN indeed seem to indicate they're keeping those games in mind. But I'm still worried about how they will adapt CV3 itself. For example, something I really like about the CV3's backstory is the Church trying various methods to get rid of Dracula themselves before turing to the Belmont family as a last resort. Will events also happen that way in the animated series? The reason I'm worrying about that is because that initial summary that was posted online seems to completely omit that. So I hope that part is included or at least alluded to.   
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shinobi on June 22, 2017, 07:13:57 AM
How about the Devil Forgemaster's involvement during CV3 as revealed in Curse of Darkness' backstory?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 22, 2017, 07:15:54 AM
How about the Devil Forgemaster's involvement during CV3 as revealed in Curse of Darkness' backstory?
I'm hoping, but that's more of a pipe dream. But then again, Trevor' s look definitely harkens most to his appearance in CoD.  So it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on June 22, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
I'd prefer it if they left that stuff out of this adaption to be honest. If they're making a CVIII mini series then that's what it should be about. CoD is CoD; it's own thing. Though added to CVIII's backstory it is not actual original CVIII material. The visual nods I can let slide but I'd prefer a more authentic CVIII experience.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 22, 2017, 10:46:07 AM
you can see a little bit more of the Trevor vs Alucard scene in this netflix trailor.  most of the trailer is devoted to other netflix shows though.

http://www.avclub.com/article/heres-whats-coming-and-leaving-netflix-july-257127 (http://www.avclub.com/article/heres-whats-coming-and-leaving-netflix-july-257127)

cv at about 20 seconds in for about 3 seconds
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 22, 2017, 12:01:06 PM
Here's the clip on it's own, someone posted it on facebook.


https://www.facebook.com/100009044762494/videos/1801378290173646/ (https://www.facebook.com/100009044762494/videos/1801378290173646/)


I'd prefer it if they left that stuff out of this adaption to be honest. If they're making a CVIII mini series then that's what it should be about. CoD is CoD; it's own thing. Though added to CVIII's backstory it is not actual original CVIII material. The visual nods I can let slide but I'd prefer a more authentic CVIII experience.

Well that was just an example.  I would much prefer that this series sets itself up for more than just  Cv3.  I want mention of Leon Belmont, I want at least some kind of reference to devil forgemasters, Chaos as the source of Dracula's power, and maybe even an appearance from Carmilla.  No reason to limit this to one NES game when the power of Castlevania's story has always been cumulative.  We already have elements from SoTN, why stop there?  They'll have to add something to the story in order to flesh it out enough for the medium, would you prefer they just make stuff up, or use what's already been laid out in the series?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on June 22, 2017, 01:15:44 PM
About 2 weeks to go, it's so close!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 22, 2017, 01:16:11 PM
So Richard Armitage (Thorin Oakenshield) is in this now apparently, according to the official website.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on June 22, 2017, 03:01:40 PM
I'd prefer it if they left that stuff out of this adaption to be honest. If they're making a CVIII mini series then that's what it should be about. CoD is CoD; it's own thing. Though added to CVIII's backstory it is not actual original CVIII material. The visual nods I can let slide but I'd prefer a more authentic CVIII experience.

I'd agree with you, were not for the fact this already isn't an "authentic CVIII experience". So much shit is changed (and I mean, core aspects) that I'm just hoping it looks good and can stand by itself. More or less how I hoped for LoS1.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 22, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/15554737c948477d774cbe337366a018/tenor.gif)

I... I thought I was the only one who ever watched that show... *wipes away a tear*
I AM NOT ALONE!!



[ (https://media.tenor.com/images/15554737c948477d774cbe337366a018/tenor.gif) intensifies ]




No, you're not.  I had all the episodes on those oldtimey EP VHS tapes (8 hours per tape, terrible framerate).
But I watched the entire thing, like, three times, a few years ago.

The whole bit with Anubis, "The Ancient", the entire bit about all the characters wearing "That Armor", all the kickass power moves.
SNAKE BITE STRIKE
WEB OF DECEPTION
QUAKE WITH FEAR
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 22, 2017, 07:47:02 PM
So Richard Armitage (Thorin Oakenshield) is in this now apparently, according to the official website.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn4.gurl.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F04%2Fstephen-colbert-report-excited.gif&hash=961f3c33e5843fc593a609caea77d44a)(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmashable.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2FJeremy-Renner.gif&hash=5c7f0bec2f926274fe43d288482e797b)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 22, 2017, 07:50:22 PM
Whoa, Thorin.
That's good stuff.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 22, 2017, 08:04:54 PM
I might have a few gripes about the Hobbit trilogy, but acting ability isn't one of them. Armitage is phenomenal.

The Netflix series might wind up being total crap, but even if that happens it'll still be populated by quality people.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 23, 2017, 12:56:15 AM
ARMITAGE!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!  :-*

Now I'm getting more excited. I must calm myself.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: BloodyShadowoftheDarkness on June 23, 2017, 11:34:14 AM
I'd prefer it if they left that stuff out of this adaption to be honest. If they're making a CVIII mini series then that's what it should be about. CoD is CoD; it's own thing. Though added to CVIII's backstory it is not actual original CVIII material. The visual nods I can let slide but I'd prefer a more authentic CVIII experience.

I also would like a faithful adaptation, but at the same time, I would like if they leave small mentions to past games in the timeline.
As long as it doesn't change the original story itself too much. I don't mind small additions that actually increment the story.
A straight literal adaptation of the 3rd game wouldn't work too well, the timeline was only growing back then, at the time Dracula's Curse was the first game in the timeline, but this is not the case anymore, so I would like reflections of that in this animation.
While I want the original story to be the same, I think it will be great if they focus on adding details from the backstory and all, as long as they don't make up things that didn't really exist.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 23, 2017, 03:33:56 PM
While I want the original story to be the same, I think it will be great if they focus on adding details from the backstory and all, as long as they don't make up things that didn't really exist.

What you're describing is exactly why I disliked the rough draft that was posted online several years ago (back when this was still going to be trilogy of movies). I didn't see to address any of the backstory at all in favor of the writer's own original ideas, which were pretty lame. That's why I'm really hoping that was just a really early draft and that IGA  made Ellis heavily revise it (he supervised the movie back then).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on June 23, 2017, 03:58:14 PM
without Hector and Isaac, Dracula really doesn't have any "characters" on his side, just monsters.  well, except for Death.  hope they make a rocking Death!!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 23, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
A few examples of how references to other games' additions to the continuity would be a huge help...

We need more backstory and motivation for Trevor.  Leon Belmont and the history of the clan would do a great job helping to fill that.

Same for Dracula, he needs motivations.  The storylines of LoI and SoTN provide that in spades.  On a side note the chaos plot line from AoS/DoS could do wonders for his development/down fall.

As pointed out already, Dracula needs supporting characters, Carmilla and the devil forgemasters beat the hell out of rando monsters and made up characters.

And let's not forget that a huge portion of the Belnades clan story comes from post Cv3 games, I still want those aspects incorporated.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on June 23, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
I actually think Hector could make a compelling side character for future seasons, dealing with his growing disgust at Dracula's actions and his eventual split from and betrayal of the Dark Lord.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on June 26, 2017, 04:18:39 PM
Now Graham McTavish, another of The Hobbit's cast, has been added to the cast lineup for Castlevania!  Now I know who Tony Amendola is - Stargate's Master Bra'tac! :O  Bra'tac was awesome.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 26, 2017, 10:03:00 PM
Wow. Would they cast even more dwarves in this? I'm liking it. :)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 28, 2017, 12:59:34 PM
Lisa confirmed on Adi's facebook.

With Lisa being part of the show we can guess it will be part Dracula's Curse and "SotN Lite"

Here's Sypha from his thumbnail.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOXZh9fv.jpg&hash=340592f7464f593d759c1254dcb507fd)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 28, 2017, 01:24:34 PM
without Hector and Isaac, Dracula really doesn't have any "characters" on his side, just monsters.

wow rude monsters are people too
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 28, 2017, 02:13:32 PM
Other confirmed character are "the Bishop" and "the Elder".
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 28, 2017, 02:16:37 PM
Other confirmed character are "the Bishop" and "the Elder".

One of those guys is "Death" for sure.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 28, 2017, 02:36:18 PM
One of those guys is "Death" for sure.

That would be an interesting but judging from this old synopsis (https://www.scribd.com/document/14077952/Castlevania-Deck) that's not going to be the case. The Elder is supposed to be Sypha's grandfather who is the leader of a "group of holy people called Speakers".  The Bishop is just a really pointless character. He acts like a secondary villian but he's not affiliated with Dracula at all. He later gets killed off by Dracula's minions.

They could have changed things but it sounds like the series is going to match up with what is written in that synopsis.     
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 28, 2017, 02:56:26 PM
That would be an interesting but judging from this old synopsis (https://www.scribd.com/document/14077952/Castlevania-Deck) that's not going to be the case. The Elder is supposed to be Sypha's grandfather who is the leader of a "group of holy people called Speakers".  The Bishop is just a really pointless character. He acts like a secondary villian but he's not affiliated with Dracula at all. He later gets killed off by Dracula's minions.

They could have changed things but it sounds like the series is going to match up with what is written in that synopsis.   

I never got around to reading that. I didn't know we knew that much. Even specific characters. Thats kind of lame.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on June 28, 2017, 03:16:32 PM
Richard Armitage is in it? He's probably voicing an important character.

Still hoping for Grant somewhere. Also, it'd be hope to have the second season being inspired by CoD.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on June 28, 2017, 03:28:05 PM
I never got around to reading that. I didn't know we knew that much. Even specific characters. Thats kind of lame.

 ;D

Now we pray they don't shit the bed, because the summary does and justified ever since the beginning my complete distrust of this project.

The animation and the cast are promising! In fact, the animation (from the teaser, at least) is a great deal superior to what I expected. The cast is also stellar.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 28, 2017, 03:29:56 PM
Armitage is Trevor, Shankar did a reveal video on his facebook.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on June 28, 2017, 04:30:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209074714845648&set=pb.1251672088.-2207520000.1498689101.&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209074714845648&set=pb.1251672088.-2207520000.1498689101.&type=3&theater)

Well, the cast lineup is looking great!  Graham McTavish is playing Dracula, and, as I suspected, James Callis is playing Alucard.  I know Callis more from Bridget Jones rather than Battlestar (I was never convinced by the remake when I grew up loving the original), and think he sounds right.  I think we're being spoilt by the quality of the lineup.  I'm definitely going to wait until I see the series before I pass full jdgement on this though, as I've said all along.  Even if it's not the mind-blowingly fabulous, everything we could dream of series that we hope it to be, it's still a screen adaptation of the series.  It's based on the original series rather than Lords of Shadow.  It's also something that isn't a mobile or pachinko game.  That's at least something to be happy about.  It might help pave the way to someting else later down the line.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: BloodyShadowoftheDarkness on June 28, 2017, 06:24:56 PM
Now we pray they don't shit the bed, because the summary does and justified ever since the beginning my complete distrust of this project.

Exactly. Now I'm a little bit less sure of what's going to happen.
I hope they don't screw up.

That's at least something to be happy about.  It might help pave the way to someting else later down the line.

This is my biggest hope about this whole series, while I still hope it will be a great adaptation, and that at least a good amount of my hopes are realized by it, if in the end it's at least enough to revive the series again, that already makes me happy.

I would love new games, I imagine this would hope, as it would put the series in the public eyes again, even if it will be for a whole new audience too, and cause a newbie boom, which depending of what direction they take with this animation, it could be worrying. But it seems they are going with the series' roots, so they probably won't change the games if that happens.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on June 28, 2017, 06:39:40 PM
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on June 28, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
-The Saint of Killers is Dracula-

Great hooba-jooba!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 29, 2017, 02:36:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDcD7VtXgAA-c9P.jpg)

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on June 29, 2017, 03:16:44 AM
Damn, Dracula is looking fiiiiiine.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 29, 2017, 03:47:51 AM
Oohhh.... Is this Lisa's death scene?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 29, 2017, 04:03:52 AM
That was my first thought as well. This might also indicate an improvement of the old synopsis. There's it's stated that after Dracula learned of Lisa's death, he doesn't even bother going down there and just threatens the villager through a magic mirror. Needless to say it makes more sense for him to show up in person so that the audience can see him react to Lisa's death.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 29, 2017, 04:10:16 AM
on that note I just realized this iteration looks vaguely like a younger SOTN drac
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on June 29, 2017, 04:43:02 AM
on that note I just realized this iteration looks vaguely like a younger SOTN drac
Indeed. He looks a lot like Chronicles'.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 29, 2017, 04:52:30 AM
He actually looks like Julius Belmont.  Maybe it's the outfit, though.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 29, 2017, 05:49:44 AM
Pictures of the entire cast:

Trevor:
(click to show/hide)

Alucard:
(click to show/hide)

Sypha:
(click to show/hide)

Lisa:
(click to show/hide)

The Bishop:
(click to show/hide)

The Elder:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 29, 2017, 05:55:34 AM
bishop's gonna be an asshole

i'd say "calling it now" but it's rather obvious isn't it
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 29, 2017, 06:15:04 AM
The early church in the games were kind of asses.  I mean first they tell Leon to go f himself when he asks if he can go save his wife.  And then by Cv3 they are at least implicit in the Belmont exile, and really did not want to come to them for help, until they had no other options.  And then of course there is the witch hunts mentioned...  I doubt they'd be all flowers and sunshine.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 29, 2017, 06:30:31 AM
The church were kind of asses.

FTFY
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on June 29, 2017, 08:06:45 AM
That specific Alucard shot looks very Ayami Kojimaesque
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on June 29, 2017, 08:17:05 AM
That specific Alucard shot looks very Ayami Kojimaesque

Agreed!  The inhuman, blazing gold of him looking angry is pretty cool.  I wonder if he will ever get fully red eyes in this for if he goes all out, or just go this blazing gold.  I'm really liking the art style for this from what we've seen.  That shot of Dracula is wonderful I'm seconding the thoughts that it looks like Lisa's death scene.  It's almost heartbreaking to he his expression. :(
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on June 29, 2017, 08:22:06 AM
Are they going to pull the "Church guy is actually Death" from CoD?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: zangetsu468 on June 29, 2017, 08:38:29 AM
Are they going to pull the "Church guy is actually Death" from CoD?

Or that The Church is actually The Order??........ (Den Dun Daaaaaaaaaarnh!!!)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on June 29, 2017, 09:39:46 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDcD7VtXgAA-c9P.jpg)

Well, this is looking promising.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on June 29, 2017, 12:39:22 PM
Powerhouse absolutely nailed it, everything looks super pretty and on point. They definitely encapsulated the feel of Castlevania imo.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 03, 2017, 04:26:39 AM
New pic of Trevor I'm action.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 03, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
4 days to go!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 03, 2017, 03:23:19 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/881990106885668864/video/1

Omg. This looks great...

Also that same person says season 2 will be 8 episodes?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 03, 2017, 03:35:59 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/882001816942071809/video/1
Dammit! I wanted to see the cyclops!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on July 03, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/881990106885668864/video/1

Omg. This looks great...

Looks very promising indeed! Still, the over-abundance of Hobbit actors in this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 03, 2017, 03:50:28 PM
Looks very promising indeed! Still, the over-abundance of Hobbit actors in this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Yes, because Hobbit was the only thing they've ever done and their merits should be judged by that series alone (which doesn't even make any sense since most of the Hobbit cast was excellent despite the flubs in the script and overall production).  :P

Quote
preview clips

Man, the audio quality might be awful, but from the sound of things McTavish is nailing it. I also like the headiness of Lisa's accent, despite it being muddled from aforementioned quality.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 03, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
I'm glad Lisa will get some screen time. Maybe we'll actually give a shit when she dies.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 03, 2017, 04:47:46 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/882001816942071809/video/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/882001816942071809/video/1)
Dammit! I wanted to see the cyclops!

Here it is.

https://twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/882017033721753600

Also, beware: It's quite possibly the ENTIRE cyclops fight.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 03, 2017, 04:53:10 PM
This is going to be pretty damn awesome if the quality is consistent!
I didn't really feel the hype for months but now I can't wait.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on July 03, 2017, 04:58:11 PM
Yes, because Hobbit was the only thing they've ever done and their merits should be judged by that series alone (which doesn't even make any sense since most of the Hobbit cast was excellent despite the flubs in the script and overall production).  :P

Man, the audio quality might be awful, but from the sound of things McTavish is nailing it. I also like the headiness of Lisa's accent, despite it being muddled from aforementioned quality.

I do not watch many movies, so I can only judge them by what I saw of them. Besides, I'm still waiting for the final product before I make a judgement. As I repeatedly said, it looks promising.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 03, 2017, 05:02:03 PM
Also, from the same Twitter that posted these videos:

-Second season is comprised of 8 episodes.
-This is not a origin story, because they feel "origin stories are not always exciting".
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 03, 2017, 05:07:46 PM
New description on Netflix page. "A vampire hunter fights to save a besieged city from an army of otherworldly beasts controlled by Dracula himself.  Based on the classic video games."

I was already hyped, after these clips, super hyped.  I hope we get a new trailer tonight.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 03, 2017, 05:24:30 PM
Now that I've actively seen clips, though, I think a suspicion I've had for some time seems to be highly plausible.

I feel like this may ultimately be akin to Underworld or Van Helsing.

Bloody load of fun to watch, some nice B-action full of Rule of Cool attacks, some surprisingly solid acting for the tone of the piece, and all around a great hammy time...just don't think into the logistics of it all too much.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 03, 2017, 05:48:08 PM
Wow Season 2 already confirmed, and it's eight episodes. I'm willing to bet they're covering Castlevania 1 and Simon's Quest next.

EDIT: That Cyclops fight was super fun to watch, I'm excited to see the whole season in a few days!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 03, 2017, 06:00:01 PM
Wow Season 2 already confirmed, and it's eight episodes. I'm willing to bet they're covering Castlevania 1 and Simon's Quest next.


Doubt it. It's more likely they'll continue CVIII.

-This project is the same as 10 years ago.
-No voice actor for Death was announced.

They could discard Grant (and that's assuming Grant doesn't make it in EVER), but Death?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 03, 2017, 07:53:45 PM
I could see it going into Symphony of the Night honestly.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 03, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
Maybe in a 3rd season.  But I agree with plot.  This was an animated trilogy before.  So given that now it is 12 episodes, and this first season is based on the script for the first animated movie, it is almost definitely all Cv3.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 03, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
The intro is fucking magnificent.... but why aren't they using classic themes?! :(

https://youtu.be/dzkJ_MOZFFg

Also the humor is spot on.

https://youtu.be/fxUlQFvE6k4
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 03, 2017, 09:22:50 PM
The intro is fucking magnificent.... but why aren't they using classic themes?! :(

https://youtu.be/dzkJ_MOZFFg

Also the humor is spot on.

https://youtu.be/fxUlQFvE6k4
I am over the fucking moon.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 03, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
The intro is fucking magnificent.... but why aren't they using classic themes?! :(

https://youtu.be/dzkJ_MOZFFg

Also the humor is spot on.

https://youtu.be/fxUlQFvE6k4
Holy crap that intro animation. Wow.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on July 03, 2017, 10:24:56 PM
Mother of God, it's actually awesome!  :o

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 03, 2017, 11:11:20 PM
Entire first season soundtrack listing revealed.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073GJJSJ4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1498799384&sr=1-48&keywords=score&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin:625150011&linkCode=sl1&tag=soundtracktracklist-20&linkId=2e5a5aff8912884fdcf8abc216568343 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073GJJSJ4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1498799384&sr=1-48&keywords=score&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin:625150011&linkCode=sl1&tag=soundtracktracklist-20&linkId=2e5a5aff8912884fdcf8abc216568343)

Discovery made by Sariel, a friend of mine.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 03, 2017, 11:39:49 PM
Huh, I was under the impression they would wrap up all of Dracula's Curse in four episodes. That soundtrack listing suggests otherwise.
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 03, 2017, 11:49:15 PM
Huh, I was under the impression they would wrap up all of Dracula's Curse in four episodes. That soundtrack listing suggests otherwise.
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on July 04, 2017, 12:07:32 AM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 04, 2017, 12:57:54 AM
Huh, I was under the impression they would wrap up all of Dracula's Curse in four episodes. That soundtrack listing suggests otherwise.
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Uh-oh, I saw the word "goat" in one of the sound track titles.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 04, 2017, 01:20:04 AM
Yeah I noticed that too. I never read the full script but I trust you guys when you say it's as bad as you all say it is...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 04, 2017, 05:11:28 AM
I gave in to temptation and watched some of those clips.  So far, I'm impressed.  Dracula and Lisa sound brilliant, even though I was expecting a slightly softer voice for Lisa.  Those intro credits though.... just wow.  The animation style isn't what I expected, but it's perfect.  I love how it's playing on the suspicions of everyone, and how even the heroes are outcasts on the fringe of society.  I love how the various things depicted shift and flow into one another.  Beautiful. 

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 04, 2017, 08:20:36 AM
So no classic tracks practically confirmed. Unless they pull a Lords of Shadow and sneak 3 seconds of a tune somewhere in there.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 04, 2017, 08:51:09 AM
To be honest, I don't mind if the music goes in its own direction, perhaps with only at most nods to the classic tunes.  Different music styles work in different contexts.  Let the series breathe on its own a bit, and have its own style.  I wasn't entirely won over by the cedits music on its own initially, but seeing it with the animation in place changed my mind somewhat, and I feel that the music works.  I'd love to hear some reworkings of the classic songs, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.  I'm also very fond of some of LoS's music, which I feel worked for those games.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 04, 2017, 12:40:09 PM
All I'm saying is Castlevania 3 without Grant or Beginning is just... not right.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 04, 2017, 08:21:28 PM
I feel like a lot of people in this thread have poor reading comprehension, or they just think the people who've been following the project for over a decade are just talking out of our behinds...  I mean how can anyone following this thread be surprised by the fact that season 1 won't finish the Cv3 story, me and plot, and many others have been telling you that since like page 2...  Grant will show up, they've just rearranged the story.  They want Trevor, Sypha, and Alucard to come together before heading to the castle, which makes much more sense from a storytelling standpoint.  Gives us more time to get to know the characters, and for them to interact.  I really don't think the first hour and a half of this series just focusing on Trevor walking and whipping would have been very entertaining...

Given the fact that Grant has been captured/transformed into a guard for Dracula we won't be seeing him until the trio starts the march, which seems to be where season 1 will finish.  Given that season 2 is 8 episodes, I am guessing it will cover the rest of Cv3's story.  It was 3 movies, now it's 12 episodes, each movie adapted into 4 episodes.  I expect Grant to appear pretty early in season 2.  As he originally was meant to show up in the 2nd movie.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 04, 2017, 08:56:13 PM
REALLY SIMPLE EXPLANATION FOR ARC CHANGES PEOPLE SEEM TO BE OVERLOOKING

REALLY SIMPLE EXPLANATION FOR ARC CHANGES PEOPLE SEEM TO BE OVERLOOKING

sypha is love interest

love interests need more time to develop than a side character

boom, explained, done
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 04, 2017, 10:03:54 PM
Wow, some spoilers in here. Chill guys some of us didn't read the old script.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 05, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
I just noticed the chest scar on Alucard form the 300 year old concept art.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fcastlevania%2Fimages%2F7%2F7b%2FAnimated_Dracula%2527s_Curse_Alucard.JPG%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20090622075107&hash=91642406c993af05c60497662875abb8)

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 06, 2017, 07:18:29 AM
http://nerdist.com/netflix-castlevania-eerie-theme-song-nintendo-game-exclusive/ (http://nerdist.com/netflix-castlevania-eerie-theme-song-nintendo-game-exclusive/)

Here's a new track, but just like the Main Title it's probably better with context.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 06, 2017, 09:48:56 AM
http://nerdist.com/netflix-castlevania-eerie-theme-song-nintendo-game-exclusive/ (http://nerdist.com/netflix-castlevania-eerie-theme-song-nintendo-game-exclusive/)

Here's a new track, but just like the Main Title it's probably better with context.
I actually like it a lot. Reminds me of some of the music from SCVIV.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on July 06, 2017, 01:59:59 PM
We're less than one day away from an animated Castlevania series. Still can't believe it's happening.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 06, 2017, 02:16:42 PM
for anyone who wants to rewatch the trailer in japanese dub before the show begins tomorrow:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 06, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
What time does Netflix update for East Coast? If I have to stay up late to catch this the minute it goes live I will.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 06, 2017, 04:36:18 PM
I think it's based around midnight time for LA.  It's about 6am that things go up for me.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 06, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
I think it's based around midnight time for LA.
That would be 3 AM for me then, guess I'm staying up late after all.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 06, 2017, 04:59:19 PM
That would be 3 AM for me then, guess I'm staying up late after all.

Why not?  This isn't something that happens every day.  I keep having to pinch myself to think that this is real.  I remember discussing this round the kitchen table over coffee and pancakes with friends while in halls as an undergrad.  I still have the printout of the concept art of Alucard that I'd pinned to my noticeboard.  I'd definitely stay up or get up early if it weren't for that I haven't been sleeping well recently, and am not an early morning person any more.  My student days wrecked that. ;)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on July 06, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
for anyone who wants to rewatch the trailer in japanese dub before the show begins tomorrow:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania)

Awesome. If we'd seen this before the English one, I'd have thought some Japanese studio finally took up the project.

Also, I'm really glad IGA and co can see this as CV fans like the rest of us, and not as a producer like he's been for years.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 06, 2017, 06:03:16 PM
for anyone who wants to rewatch the trailer in japanese dub before the show begins tomorrow:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania)

Wait, wait, wait, they have Alucard's original actor....and he's playing Trevor and not Alucard? What. The. HELL? Heck, you could switch him and Miki's roles and it'd be fine, Miki even already having played a Belmont (Richter, in a Castlevania drama CD). Also, no Norio Wakamoto as Dracula? Lame (even if Naoya Uchida is a great actor). Weird recasting all over the place.

Still, less than a day until launch. Praying this ends well
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 07, 2017, 12:26:18 AM
GOAT-FUCKING SCENE CONFIRMED

I REPEAT:

GOAT-FUCKING SCENE CONFIRMED

That's the end of spoilers from me for the time being. Have a good one!

EDIT: Finished it.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 07, 2017, 01:37:27 AM
I don't know about the rest of you but I thought the first season was really really incredible.

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Give me that 2nd season NOW, I kept this post relatively tame in tone but honestly I am so blown away by how good this was. Powerhouse killed it!

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 07, 2017, 01:40:31 AM
I want more!  :-[
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 07, 2017, 02:42:42 AM
Ahhhh.... I can wait until season 1 is done then binge watch.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 07, 2017, 02:45:03 AM
Ahhhh.... I can wait until season 1 is done then binge watch.

Season 1 is done. Like, literally. It's now months until Season 2.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 07, 2017, 02:45:40 AM
.... I think I need to go and rewatch that now.  They nailed it.  Yes, it's the original project, as we were all expecting, but it turned out so well.  I absolutely loved it.  In the words of Claudia from Interview with the Vampire - "I want some more." 

As the Texts from Castlevania tumblr page posted, "Meanwhile, at Frederator Studios marketing:
Executive: Alright gentlemen, this is our chance. Castlevania’s a big IP. Let’s not fuck it up by underselling it. What do Castlevania fans want?

Unpaid intern three rooms over, slamming their palms on the nearest desk: TO BANG ALUCARD"

That aside, the casting and animation were spot on.  Yes, the music wasn't the classic tunes we love, but it worked for the series.  Amitage and McTavish were amazing.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 07, 2017, 03:50:02 AM
Ahhhh.... I can wait until season 1 is done then binge watch.
Season 1 is done. All four episodes are available to watch lol
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 07, 2017, 08:23:19 AM
Adi Shankar: The first thing I thought about was music and how we needed to avoid the traditional sword-and-sandal orchestra cliche and use the heavy metal electro guitar vibe found in the early games.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 07, 2017, 08:33:39 AM
I watched the first two episodes and I thought it was absolutely terrible. The dialogue is just embarrassing. It's even worse than I imagined it would be.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: aensland on July 07, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
wow
Are they going to fix all the animation botches in the BDs?

GOAT-FUCKING SCENE CONFIRMED
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 07, 2017, 08:48:39 AM
Somehow I find it immensely entertaining that

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Don't ask me why. I just find it strangely fitting, after a fashion.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Ahasverus on July 07, 2017, 08:51:57 AM
I love that this is a thing that exists.

Could have used more marketing though.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 07, 2017, 09:22:24 AM
I gotta admit, this was fuckin' BADASS!! Binged all four episodes and LOVED THEM! Can't wait for season 2, and hope that after they finish the CV3 saga, they think about adapting another saga (Christopher or Simon's stories).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 07, 2017, 09:23:25 AM
The cyclops battle with Auto Description on is beautiful
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: affinity on July 07, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
in the new season they could introduce Grant as a thief.  doesn't have to be a pirate.

they already took some creative liberties with CVIII not in the original. 

 they could have Grant at least in one episode be badass, and killed off if they don't want to juggle more characters than they can handle, would be proper respect to one of Castlevania III's essential and canon characters. the animated series is incomplete due to their narrow minded opinion about Grant, if their occupation doesn't fit the location, then change them to thief.   simple.  and he's dressed like a thief, even uses a knife.

Order of Ecclesia would be interesting for a animated series, though they already have their hands full with the current one.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 07, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
http://deadline.com/2017/07/castlevania-animated-series-renewed-season-2-netflix-1202125024/ (http://deadline.com/2017/07/castlevania-animated-series-renewed-season-2-netflix-1202125024/)

Season 2 confirmed by Netflix
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 07, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
http://deadline.com/2017/07/castlevania-animated-series-renewed-season-2-netflix-1202125024/ (http://deadline.com/2017/07/castlevania-animated-series-renewed-season-2-netflix-1202125024/)

Season 2 confirmed by Netflix

*Rubs hands in glee*  Excellent news!  :D  Let's hope that this new bit of fresh blood for the series helps as much as we hope that it does.  I certainly want to see more. :)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: le052383 on July 07, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
I watched it all in one setting.  It was okay and wasn't surprised that the infamous "goat fucking" scene was present.  I did find it odd that Alucard was only sleeping under the town for a year rather than decades or centuries.  However, that is an issue with the actual Castlevania timeline (according to the wiki, Lisa Tepes was alive until around the 1470s and the events of CVII takes place in 1476.  Would have been great if Ellis did some liberties with the timeline. 

Other than that, I love how the water fountain from Alcuard's fight with the succubus is in the animated show as it shows that the creators were being faithful to the game.  I also thought that the daark shards Dracula was using in building up his army was a homage to the save room with RPG dice-looking thingy in SOTN.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on July 07, 2017, 05:29:28 PM
THE HYPE WAS REAL
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Belmontoya on July 07, 2017, 05:50:18 PM
I really liked it!

The animation, voices, were all great.

I don't really like the swearing. Not because I'm offended (I'm not), I just don't think it fits at all.

The violence was nothing worth mentioning.

The music was good but it didnt embrace Castlevania's identity the way it should have. If I were composing it I would've worked harder to incorporate Castlevania traditions. The music feels empty to me like the MOF soundtrack.

My only other complaint is the overusage of falling through floors. I feel like everywhere Trevor went he was falling through the floors.

Other than those gripes I thought it was great.

It's the best CV thing to come around in a long time.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 07, 2017, 08:22:13 PM
I watched it all in one setting.  It was okay and wasn't surprised that the infamous "goat fucking" scene was present.  I did find it odd that Alucard was only sleeping under the town for a year rather than decades or centuries.  However, that is an issue with the actual Castlevania timeline (according to the wiki, Lisa Tepes was alive until around the 1470s and the events of CVII takes place in 1476.  Would have been great if Ellis did some liberties with the timeline. 

Other than that, I love how the water fountain from Alcuard's fight with the succubus is in the animated show as it shows that the creators were being faithful to the game.  I also thought that the daark shards Dracula was using in building up his army was a homage to the save room with RPG dice-looking thingy in SOTN.

The thing is they do address Alucard's weird circular prophecy in that the Speakers  get prophecies from the future. That might be a reference to Saint Germain, the mysterious time traveler from Curse of Darkness. The idea is that the information about the warrior was true...but the warrior wouldn't appear until Alucard took rest in his coffin.

Anyway, having watched it I have this to say: they nailed it. They finally made a good video game adaptation in the West. Hats off to Ellis and Shankar for seeing it through and for performances of the cast, even if MacTavish and Callis had little screen time. The series really drips with the kind of atmosphere I'd expect out of the series, giving that Gothic horror, dark fantasy oppression straight out of Vampire Hunter D or Berserk. Definitely looking forward to Season 2.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 07, 2017, 11:29:18 PM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on July 08, 2017, 05:52:27 AM
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Rewatched Episode 1. I don't know if it's just me, but can anyone confirm if
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: uzo on July 08, 2017, 07:28:03 AM
Not very impressed...

The TL;DR breakdown:

Animation: B
Inconsistent. Alucard fight was great. Color palette is never vibrant, which seems to be intentional, but without mixing it up ever it ends up feeling like the location never changes. Effects animation like the Dracula fire head were great.

Sound Design: C-
Borderline awful composition of sound effects. Mastering IS awful. So bad you can't even hear some speakers.

Music: F
So unforgettable I almost forgot it had it. Didn't Identify any game tunes or snippets. Strange since Castlevania is in part legendary for it's music. Huge missed opportunity.

Story: C
Wow, did Warren ever phone this one in. Lines are stilted and literally basic exposition constructions. Half the entire screenplay to me felt like: "I MUST MENTION THIS THING BECAUSE I HAVE TO. BUT THE NEXT GUY MAY NOT EVEN REPLY BACK TO IT BUT INSTEAD GO ALONG TO THE NEXT LINE AND TOPIC. I DON'T TALK LIKE A HUMAN WOULD."

Trevor's motivation and attitude are inconsistent feeling. The shallow attempts at humor are both not funny, and executed extremely poor.

Voice acting feels phoned in by a good number of the cast. Stilted and unenthusiastic delivery for way more lines than acceptable. It wasn't all the time but far more than it should have been. This may be part of the reason I don't like Trevor in this show. He doesn't care, and his voice actor cares even less at times, making Trevor seem to care about nothing ever.

Changes to elements of the canon and CV3 story that already had explanations, often better ones, REALLY grated on me. For example: What the hell is a Speaker? Nonsense, that's what. You don't need to invent a faction for Sypha. She already has a better back story as basically the Suicide Squad for the church. A change for the worst. The whole mini keep under the town and the future prophesy thing also was a contrived and stupid change. At that point it was just trying to be overly clever and had little entertainment or narrative value.

The lack of balance in sides presented. The bottom line of this story has been basically a circle jerk of "Atheism good, God BAD!!" There is no balance. The church is bad, Trevor doesn't care, Sypha doesn't care, Dracula is bad (as he should be), Lisa is a staunch atheist roll model, etc. I think it is safe to presume Warren probably never played CV3. You know, the game that opens with Trevor PRAYING at the cross. A world in which crosses have POWER over the undead. It is completely unrepresented here. A huge oversight of the tone of the game and world. Lecarde Chronicles 2 had a fantastic representation of the dark ages horror with faith mixed in.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: uzo on July 08, 2017, 07:43:17 AM
P.S.

The whole Lisa part of the story was laid out so wrong. By the time you got to her burning at the stake there was no emotional impact. There was nothing built up for us to care about. That may not be possible in the time they had, but even a small montage of her and Dracula's life together, the birth of Alucard, her interactions with Alucard. Any of that would have helped. But what is most missing here, and so very important because we did not have the time necessary to build that attachment with the viewer, is an emotional proxy at the burning scene. WHERE was Alucard?! Why was he not there to hear his mother's last words? A huge mistake. Leaving the entire scene lifeless, and emotionally dry. Dracula doesn't even get to see it happen. He just kinda showed up after she was already ash. It could have been a great moment to SHOW Dracula is capable of sadness as he witnesses the last moments of his wife's life, instead of RAWR ME BAD, YOU KILL WIFE, NOW I KILL YOU! EXCEPT I WONT HARM A SINGLE ONE OF YOU RIGHT NOW! I WILL WAIT A YEAR!

Why didn't Dracula at least slaughter everyone in that room brutally? I get it, he needed an army for destroying the world. But if he was truly that angry, why didn't he at least start with the people in that room? He let the dude who orchestrated it all LIVE for a year or more? Makes no God damn sense if you want to believe Dracula as an actual character and not a giant plot device.

HELLO MY NAME IS DRACULA. I AM DOING WHAT I NEED TO DO BECAUSE PLOT. LISTEN TO MY EXPOSITION, THANK YOU. SEE YOU NEXT YEAR!!



Man, how about hire a writer who gives a shit about Castlevania and can actually string a decent adaptation together... We knew from the get go, from the old interviews, that Warren really doesn't give a shit about Castlevania, and the extent of his experience with the franchise story is about 10 minutes on Wikipedia. Even then, he should have still picked up on Sypha's backstory...

I bet he didn't even watch a play through of the game, let alone play it through himself.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: HiT BiT on July 08, 2017, 12:35:05 PM
I couldn't resist...
Warning: graphic spoiler of a particular scene of the 4th episode.
http://i.imgur.com/1HEb2ne.gif (http://i.imgur.com/1HEb2ne.gif)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 08, 2017, 12:53:42 PM
I get that some people don't like to see the church in a negative light... but let's be real here.  The medieval church was as evil as any evil that ever eviled.  To be honest the church in this series acted about exactly as the church probably would have, had such a scenario presented itself.  Burning innocent women as witches, excommunicating virtuous, even heroic individuals that don't fall in line with there teachings, violently persecuting religious minorities... that was a normal Friday night in those days, for the clergy.  I don't think this was a problem at all.  And they even make a point to show that there are good members of the clergy in episode 4.  Honestly if they had made the church into good guys, it would be equally historically inaccurate and offensive.  And whoever made the comment about atheism... please.  Presenting the medieval church in an accurate, if slightly exagerated light is hardly an argument for atheism.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: le052383 on July 08, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
Story: C
Wow, did Warren ever phone this one in. Lines are stilted and literally basic exposition constructions. Half the entire screenplay to me felt like: "I MUST MENTION THIS THING BECAUSE I HAVE TO. BUT THE NEXT GUY MAY NOT EVEN REPLY BACK TO IT BUT INSTEAD GO ALONG TO THE NEXT LINE AND TOPIC. I DON'T TALK LIKE A HUMAN WOULD."

Trevor's motivation and attitude are inconsistent feeling. The shallow attempts at humor are both not funny, and executed extremely poor.


I watched this with the closed captions on.  That said, either I am going deaf or it seems like they removed a lot of lines from Trevor as the closed caption would have lines that isn't being heard from the audio.  Two of which I recall; one when Sypha tells Trevor her name and another when Alcuard tells Spyha and Trevor about a prophecy that they would band together to kill Dracula.  After Sypha tells Trevor her name, Trevor says something to the likes of "I don't care about your name".  As for the other scene, Trevor or Alucard utters something (I forgot) before saying "Hunter?" I recalled that not hearing it being spoke of made Trevor's comment of "Hunter?" seemed out of place.  There were other moments like this as well.

Because it seems like a lot of dialogue was removed, perhaps this is why the dialogue conversations in the series seems strange.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 08, 2017, 02:16:51 PM
i'll take "things that show up in my feed" for $666, alex

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best review, clearly
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: le052383 on July 08, 2017, 02:30:39 PM
P.S.

The whole Lisa part of the story was laid out so wrong. By the time you got to her burning at the stake there was no emotional impact. There was nothing built up for us to care about. That may not be possible in the time they had, but even a small montage of her and Dracula's life together, the birth of Alucard, her interactions with Alucard. Any of that would have helped. But what is most missing here, and so very important because we did not have the time necessary to build that attachment with the viewer, is an emotional proxy at the burning scene. WHERE was Alucard?! Why was he not there to hear his mother's last words? A huge mistake. Leaving the entire scene lifeless, and emotionally dry. Dracula doesn't even get to see it happen. He just kinda showed up after she was already ash. It could have been a great moment to SHOW Dracula is capable of sadness as he witnesses the last moments of his wife's life, instead of RAWR ME BAD, YOU KILL WIFE, NOW I KILL YOU! EXCEPT I WONT HARM A SINGLE ONE OF YOU RIGHT NOW! I WILL WAIT A YEAR!

Why didn't Dracula at least slaughter everyone in that room brutally? I get it, he needed an army for destroying the world. But if he was truly that angry, why didn't he at least start with the people in that room? He let the dude who orchestrated it all LIVE for a year or more? Makes no God damn sense if you want to believe Dracula as an actual character and not a giant plot device.

HELLO MY NAME IS DRACULA. I AM DOING WHAT I NEED TO DO BECAUSE PLOT. LISTEN TO MY EXPOSITION, THANK YOU. SEE YOU NEXT YEAR!!

I agree about the writing as it felt nonsensical at times.  Dracula has the power to easily kill all the villagers after Lisa's death.  Why did he need to raise an army especially when he was VERY PISSED OFF at that very moment?  Although I understand why Ellis threw in the idea of Dracula building up an army (the Castlevania games are littered with enemies), it would have made more sense for him to slaughter all the villagers to the point where he lost his way and the demons that appear years later.  The demons could be the manifestations of his anger or he probably brought them to Earth because he no longer have sympathy for humans and want them all killed for the death of his wife.

Aside from that, I felt the end season fight scene ended abruptly like the Superman/Batman fight scene from BvS.  Instead of "Who is Martha!?" ending the fight scene, it was the "prophecy!"  It was rather silly how Sypha and Trevor drank that up quickly without Trevor even questioning it despite him believing that Alcuard might be Dracula prior.  For those who never played CV3 or SOTN, I would imagine them being skeptical of Alcuard, thinking that he made the whole shit up as a trick to Sopha and Trevor despite the scene with Dracula scaring Alucard's chest.

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Man, how about hire a writer who gives a shit about Castlevania and can actually string a decent adaptation together... We knew from the get go, from the old interviews, that Warren really doesn't give a shit about Castlevania, and the extent of his experience with the franchise story is about 10 minutes on Wikipedia. Even then, he should have still picked up on Sypha's backstory...

I bet he didn't even watch a play through of the game, let alone play it through himself.

I found it quite strange that Warren Ellis was an executive producer for the series as I too thought he had no love for the series and only written the script for it because it was a job (I checked an article on this afterwards and noticed that Ellis took the job because the animation wasn't for kids).  Maybe Ellis pulled "a Michael Bay" and fell in love with Castlevania because it had a large large fanbase or something.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 08, 2017, 10:18:26 PM
Watched it a second time, but since I wasn't on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen next, didn't feel compelled to watch it in one setting this time again.  I still wanted to break it up into four parts, but am quite dissatisfied by episode endpoints.

So I watched it in four parts, divided by character introduction.  A Dracula part, Trevor part, Sypha part, and Alucard part, and found I liked taking breaks when the character focus shifted. 

Parts were broken up as follows:
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I wonder if I'll continue to rewatch the show using these breakpoints? 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 09, 2017, 02:00:59 AM
Watched it in the JP dub. For Japanese practice reasons.
Before anyone complains why Oyakyu's (Alucard) role and Miki's (Richter) role were reversed, they did well as Trevor and Alucard, respectively. So, no problems for me.

My opinion of this is simply: the entire first season is a pilot. That's why we're getting season 2. Even the total air time roughly fits the typical pilot episode of a US TV series.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 09, 2017, 11:49:41 AM
Favorite lines:

-Trevor: "Could you please leave my testicles alone?"
-Trevor: "I hope you all bleed out. Through your asses!
-Trevor: "A cyclops, straight out of the family bestiary. God shits in my dinner once again."
-Trevor: "Come on, you're dead! Stop and realize you're dead!
-Sypha: "I could pee in a bucket and tell him it's beer"
-Pazuzu: "Lies? In your house of God? No wonder he's abandoned you."
-Alucard: "Please. This isn't a bar fight. Have some class."
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 09, 2017, 12:02:21 PM

-Pazuzu:


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look i know cv misuses pazuzu a shitton as it is but this boy ain't pazuzu
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Laina on July 09, 2017, 12:22:10 PM
Castlevania fans be all...

https://youtu.be/YAw3Xr8r6TY

...lookin' for Pazuzu.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 09, 2017, 12:36:21 PM
You know whatever that demon thing was supposed to be,  it vaguely reminded me of the Reaver from Mirror of Fate.  More so than anything else from the games.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 09, 2017, 02:24:13 PM
That's a pretty good point!  I kind of see it now.  The mini Reavers were adorable.  I really liked Blue Fangs.  He was kind of loveable and squishy, and clearly had love in return for the Bishop.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on July 10, 2017, 09:47:12 AM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on July 10, 2017, 10:59:53 AM
The voice acting was mediocre at best, be it English, Japanese or German. The story was rushed, the music forgettable (the only good piece was the one used in the trailer, and that was not used in the show proper), the changes to the storyline uneccessary or even bad (Speakers especially) while other changes were very welcome (like Dracula's castle being able to move and him using science so explicitly). Still utterly disappointed about the Japanese VA's not representing their roles (Dracula needs Wakamoto).

Still, for all the negative criticism I have about the series, I think it is still good, IF not looked at from the perspective of a real fan. It was made more for people not accustomed to the games and so it was not the love letter people had hoped for. All in all, I like it, if just for the virtue of it hopefully driving Lords of Shadow from people's mind as Castlevania. I'd rather have the masses think that this show is Castlevania, rather than LoS.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 10, 2017, 12:31:46 PM
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What were you expecting from a series based off of CV3? 

A church who is tries everything in their power to protect Wallachia from Dracula, and having exhausted all the options, rise above people's fear of what they don't understand and reach out to the Belmont family. Sure, there's the Inquisition but some are fine with employing witches.

So, basically the opposite of what we got in the animated series.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: uzo on July 10, 2017, 03:06:41 PM
Because it seems like a lot of dialogue was removed, perhaps this is why the dialogue conversations in the series seems strange.

Yeah I thought I noticed that too. Wasn't sure what was up with it. Makes sense if they had to edit, shorted, or change the dialog, especially post recording, that it came out stiff. Good catch.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheTextGuy on July 10, 2017, 03:36:38 PM
A church who is tries everything in their power to protect Wallachia from Dracula, and having exhausted all the options, rise above people's fear of what they don't understand and reach out to the Belmont family. Sure, there's the Inquisition but some are fine with employing witches.

So, basically the opposite of what we got in the animated series.

You know, I would've much rather preferred if the animated series went more towards with two factions of Christianity where one of them is the one who recruits Sypha and Trevor, while the other faction can be the more evil faction and have both of them butt heads.  Instead, we get a Church where everyone but one guy is most obviously evil.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 10, 2017, 06:42:00 PM
A church who is tries everything in their power to protect Wallachia from Dracula, and having exhausted all the options, rise above people's fear of what they don't understand and reach out to the Belmont family. Sure, there's the Inquisition but some are fine with employing witches.

So, basically the opposite of what we got in the animated series.

Not gonna lie: that wouldn't have logically existed back in the 15th century. The Church (whether Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox) was indeed that ridiculously corrupt. In fact, it was SO corrupt that Ellis was probably holding back in his depiction of it. For example: victims of witch burnings were burned at the stake for practicing ANY kind of medicine. It was closely regulated by the Church and women could be sentenced to death just for being a midwife and assisting with childbirth. It would only be a few decades later that the Reformation hit and the corruption started to get weeded out. So, yeah, of anything Ellis addressed a gigantic historical error the original game made. The Church would not have been friendly to the Belmont clan and them putting Sypha (a woman) in their employ wouldn't make any sense. Tons of source material has elements that are outdated and thus adaptations weed those out. Happens all the time and this is no different
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 10, 2017, 06:46:58 PM
Not gonna lie: that wouldn't have logically existed back in the 15th century.

[...]gigantic historical error the original game made

Another silly argument used to praise this series that I've sat idly watching for far too long. Someone can't express their dislike for the portrayal of the Church that someone else has to sweep in and give us a lecture on History. This is also not happening just here, but it's a shaming tactic being used all over the internet.

You know what else wouldn't have logically existed back in the 15th century? Vampire-demon warlock hiding on a living castle made of human emotions, opening gates to Hell and making pacts with evil gods, causing him to become feared by the entire country as an immortal demon king that is hunted by men with a magical whip, and that did basically nothing his historical counterpart did. Instead of, y'know, a voivode fighting the turks and becoming a national hero loved by his people to this day, becoming a crucial icon on the history of his country, basically the opposite in all senses of his fictional counterpart.

So, I ask: Why is Dracula, the historical centerpiece of this franchise, getting a pass, but the Church isn't? Do you guys realize that CV Dracula is 100% not the same as Vlad III and the greatest historical inaccuracy here? If someone appeared and started demeaning the series because Dracula is not "historically accurate", would you think he's a tool, or that his complaints are valid?

Because, from where I'm standing, every single time one of you uses the selective historical accuracy regarding the Church to correct someone wanting the Church to be good, you look like the guy demanding Dracula to be historically accurate and making a fool of himself, missing the point of the word "fiction". Ellis didn't give you "historically accurate Church" because he wanted realism. He did it because he needed a Monster of the Week (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MonsterOfTheWeek).

So, can this "MUH HISTORICAL ACCURACY" meme die, please? Vlad III is just as important to European history as the Church. We know the Church was evil yadda yadda. We're talking of a fictional universe with fictional history. You don't get to lecture someone wanting the fictional portrayal of the Church because "realism", but be just a-OK with Vlad III made into evil god of darkness in a secret war with magical Indiana Jones.

You (not you Aiddon SPECIFICALLY, but anyone) liked this "historical accuracy"? Great! Keep it up! But some people don't like it, some people think this was a bad choice. They're not "History illiterates", they only wanted this theme from the original story to be kept intact. It wasn't, and now they're upset. Let them be upset without trying to "debunk" their logic, it makes no sense on this context.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 10, 2017, 11:11:14 PM
The church sucks in real life and in the series. Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on July 11, 2017, 01:41:48 AM
I wonder if Season 2 will have the
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: JohannGralog on July 11, 2017, 02:09:33 AM
You (not you Aiddon SPECIFICALLY, but anyone) liked this "historical accuracy"? Great! Keep it up! But some people don't like it, some people think this was a bad choice. They're not "History illiterates", they only wanted this theme from the original story to be kept intact. It wasn't, and now they're upset. Let them be upset without trying to "debunk" their logic, it makes no sense on this context.
For what it's worth, I'm an Art History major and studied history pretty in-depth, with a specialization in church architecture. The "historical accuracy" thing just doesn't fly, but I'm not gonna bother with that discussion since it obviously won't go anywhere.

I could tell people how everything "should" have looked, architecturally (poor man’s Byzantine for Wallachia) and dress-wise, but I doubt anyone would be interested in such pedantry.  :P

I wonder if Season 2 will have the
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But wouldn't that retread what they've already shown?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 11, 2017, 02:26:05 AM
I wonder if Season 2 will have the
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think somewhere in the opening sequence, they showed Alucard kneeling in front of the stake with Lisa on it before it transitioned into Dracula. I think it might play a part in season 2.

But wouldn't that retread what they've already shown?

Not necessary, succubus said different lines than Lisa. Plus, it makes some of the animation parts cheaper in a sense that they do not need to redraw some parts of the scene. Kinda like filler/flashback episodes in anime.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 11, 2017, 02:51:07 AM
For what it's worth, I'm an Art History major and studied history pretty in-depth, with a specialization in church architecture. The "historical accuracy" thing just doesn't fly, but I'm not gonna bother with that discussion since it obviously won't go anywhere.

It's not gonna go anywhere because they're no point or value in it beyond the shallow. Historical accuracy is nice in fantasy but it's not a rule nor does it automatically fly in a series about fictional vampire demigods with magic castles and demon armies and severed heads that drop noodle soup and the most OP sword in existence.

It's just not. There's no intellectual or moral high ground to be had by citing history.

I could tell people how everything "should" have looked, architecturally (poor man’s Byzantine for Wallachia) and dress-wise, but I doubt anyone would be interested in such pedantry.  :P

So can I, but I'm not, for the above reason(s).

I like that there are reasonably historical accounts of the church being asshats, but nothing more.

If we really got down into the nitty-gritty, Târgoviște didn't have a cathedral that grand in the 15th century, it wouldn't be of Notre Dame or Il Duomo-esque design if it did exist at that time, and any members of the clergy there would not be dressed in nor in practice of Vatican-esque Roman Catholic orthodox. The Night-Raid which seems to be referenced in lieu of Dracula sacking the city was a maneuver carried out by Vlad in *defense* of the city and was fought *outside* its borders.

And on and on and so forth and so forth.

But it's completely irrelevant to the core discussion of the show itself, because digging any deeper than surface-level technicalities shifts the focus away from the show and into the historical aspects entirely.

I'm just as big on historical accuracy in high fantasy and medieval fiction as the next guy or you or maybe even more so, but the fact remains they're just that. Fiction. Fantasy. They can be as unrealistic as they want so long as they don't pretend to be accurate, and Castlevania has never pretended to be accurate in its period depictions of, well, anything. That there are the historical accuracies and references within the series that are in the ballpark is satisfying enough, because they're not inherently required.

It ain't like this shit is any more beyond the pale than anything else CV has done, and I haven't heard anyone genuinely complaining about any of that all the many years I've been in the fanbase.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Sumez on July 11, 2017, 04:31:49 AM
So, I ask: Why is Dracula, the historical centerpiece of this franchise, getting a pass, but the Church isn't?

Because the depiction of the church as a misguided, self-justified savior while at the same time being responsible for instigating Dracula's wrath in the first place is an interesting plot point.
I actually love the way they managed to make Dracula represent science and atheism while at the same time making use of dark magic, demons, and pretty much being the christian Satan.
He's a bad guy for sure, but he also has some interesting (even if they are sorta cheap) points about humanity's hubris and reliance on a fictional God to justify immoral actions. Honestly, that meshes extremely well with his classic "What is a man" speech from SotN.
In general, I have a soft spot for a fictional universe where the "dark side" of religious beliefs is true, but the "good side" is pretty much make-belief - this series seems quite influenced by Berserk, another series where "God" and "Satan" are basically just human interpretions of the same demons that actually exist in on another plane of existance.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 11, 2017, 04:53:29 AM
Pretty much what D9's said.  This isn't The Tudors (or a historical costume drama based on actual history).  there's no point in trying to look too deep into the historical accuracy.  Castlevania has always been anachronistic and fantastical.  As he's already said, we already have a case of here, there's a super powerful vampire called Vlad Dracula Tepes, who's a bit of a scientist and occultist, and has a history of impaling people, but he's not Vlad III Dracula, Voivode of Wallachia.  Yeah, the church was made possily a smidge too antagonistic, from a storytelling perspective and a limited run time, I can tell why they chose to make them the focused bad guys for the season, especialy after spending time showing that Dracula had valid motivations for getting so upset over Lisa's death.  Plus, it's Warren Ellis writing, and he has cerain very strng views on things, and it shows in his work.  I get why some people are upset over how the church is being portrayed in this - from both the canon to the games perspective, and from the perspective of hey, the church is getting shown in a really bad light here (which is potentially harder to not get upset about).  Maybe taking a short step away from the keyboard might be an idea before it descends too far into an arguement.  We need to remember that this series is historicalesque fantasy, it's not shackled to historical accuracy, just as it's not shackled to telling exactly the same story as in the games - heck, even the games' makers at times brought their own takes, and there was a serious lack of continuity until Iga came along and tried to put one together.  From a writer's perspective, I can see why they chose some of the directions they took - I have a few friends who are authors, and have chatted with them about it.

  I made my peace ages ago, both when Warren Ellis was posting about the project originally, and when Adi Shankar announced he was getting a series made, that it wouldn't be coompletely faithful to the games, that it would have its own continuity, and do its own thing.  To be honest, I don't mind this.  I feel like a fresh breath of life has been given to the series, especially now, when there's been so little come out aside for gambling games.  It goes back to the original timeline of the games.  It's got its own character, and that can give it space to grow and develop, and it can bring something a bit new to the table. 



On a side note to Shiroi: I noticed that as well!  I'm getting a feeling that quite a fair bit was held back, not everything was told about Lisa and Vlad's history, so as to keep Alucard a secret for the big reveal.  Also storytelling-wise, it's better to not tell everything at once.  Hopefully we will see more in season 2.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 11, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
For what it's worth, I'm an Art History major and studied history pretty in-depth, with a specialization in church architecture. The "historical accuracy" thing just doesn't fly, but I'm not gonna bother with that discussion since it obviously won't go anywhere.

I could tell people how everything "should" have looked, architecturally (poor man’s Byzantine for Wallachia) and dress-wise, but I doubt anyone would be interested in such pedantry.  :P

But wouldn't that retread what they've already shown?

The only thing I find to be pedantic about is that they show the church as being Catholic instead of Orthodox (Wallachia historically being so, as well as most of modern Romania). At this point the Orthodox was also pretty corrupt at this point in time (with the title of Patriarch being sold to the highest bidder frequently) so they still could have played corrupt church angle. It's just an odd oversight, but not a deal breaker
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 11, 2017, 08:39:44 AM
Because the depiction of the church as a misguided, self-justified savior while at the same time being responsible for instigating Dracula's wrath in the first place is an interesting plot point.

See, here is where I wanted to arrive. As Dracula9 already pointed out: You're allowed to like it because you think it is cool.

This is my criticism. The people here complaining of the portrayal of the Church are not alone. I've seen hundreds of them already, and every single time the same pattern takes place:

1. Person A complains of the Church's portrayal, because they think it'd be cool to not use the same tired cliche for the 47394th time.
2. Person B sweeps in. Corrects person A about how it is historically accurate and "therefore objectivelly superior".

This "therefore objectivelly superior" part is the problem: Something being historically accurate in FICTION doesn't make it automatically superior. And these people are not only claiming this, but ALSO claiming Castlevania was really like this (hint: it wasn't).

I've seen this enough in 3 days (not once, not twice, but hundreds of times) that I'm slowly and irrationally losing all respect for the Castlevania fanbase in general. One HUGE section of the fanbase is activelly silencing and shaming the other because of an idiot argument about "historical accuracy" that implies some sort of intellectual superiority, when they really mean "I like it because it's cool".
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: zangetsu468 on July 11, 2017, 04:47:07 PM
@plottwist Welcome to the age of the individual and/ or the "superior". Being a fan of something used to be reason enough to have something in common with someone. I feel a lot of fan bases are divided these days, CV is no exception, but I feel there's more of a sense of bitterness and resentment from some of us as we don't all necessarily believe the franchise is being treated with the respect it deserves.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 11, 2017, 04:49:54 PM
See, here is where I wanted to arrive. As Dracula9 already pointed out: You're allowed to like it because you think it is cool.

This is my criticism. The people here complaining of the portrayal of the Church are not alone. I've seen hundreds of them already, and every single time the same pattern takes place:

1. Person A complains of the Church's portrayal, because they think it'd be cool to not use the same tired cliche for the 47394th time.
2. Person B sweeps in. Corrects person A about how it is historically accurate and "therefore objectivelly superior".

This "therefore objectivelly superior" part is the problem: Something being historically accurate in FICTION doesn't make it automatically superior. And these people are not only claiming this, but ALSO claiming Castlevania was really like this (hint: it wasn't).

I've seen this enough in 3 days (not once, not twice, but hundreds of times) that I'm slowly and irrationally losing all respect for the Castlevania fanbase in general. One HUGE section of the fanbase is activelly silencing and shaming the other because of an idiot argument about "historical accuracy" that implies some sort of intellectual superiority, when they really mean "I like it because it's cool".
That's with a lot of fanbases, though. I mean, for the while when "gritty, realism" was a trend, people were actually saying, "It's better, because it's more REALISTIC!", as something more realistic makes it objectively superior. Because it will ALWAYS be based on one's opinion, it will ALWAYS be subjective, regardless how much a person tries to rationalize it to themselves and others as an undeniable truth.

Though CV fanbase is nothing if you compare it to, say, the Final Fantasy fanbase.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 11, 2017, 04:53:49 PM
On the subject of historical accuracy, it's nice to have but for me personally, as long as the plot is just Belmonts/their mission carried on vs Dracula, I'm good.

The series not only covers Dracula's Curse, but ties into SotN nicely as well. I'm in this for the fan service and from what I've seen, a clear respect for the series canon/lore, and liberties taken do not stray too terribly far from the source material. Perhaps after Lords of Shadow, I've become comfortable with the fact knowing it will hopefully never get that bad anytime soon again.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 11, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
some of adi's thoughts:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/tv/2017/7/11/15952898/castlevania-live-action-adaptation-netflix (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/tv/2017/7/11/15952898/castlevania-live-action-adaptation-netflix)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 11, 2017, 07:46:42 PM
Another thought that just occurred to me when examining the series. With the Speakers being a nomadic people that are scattered among various tribes makes me wonder if they aren't modeled after the Romani (the Romani being one of the largest minority groups in modern day Romania)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 11, 2017, 08:06:48 PM
Another thought that just occurred to me when examining the series. With the Speakers being a nomadic people that are scattered among various tribes makes me wonder if they aren't modeled after the Romani (the Romani being one of the largest minority groups in modern day Romania)
I think this is exactly what we're supposed to think.  I got this right away.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 11, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Interview with Shankar. Apparently the scripts for Season 2 are already done:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/07/feature_castlevania_show_producer_adi_shankar_on_respecting_fandom_and_future_seasons (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/07/feature_castlevania_show_producer_adi_shankar_on_respecting_fandom_and_future_seasons)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 11, 2017, 10:01:18 PM
Sounds like Castlevania will live on as an animated series for quite awhile, pretty exciting to think we might see Rondo, SotN, and other games eventually adapted.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on July 12, 2017, 12:33:41 AM
Cool, I hope we get season 2 soon enough. Season 3 could be SotN then, which is the perfect CV to follow up CV3.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 03:40:26 AM
That's pretty cool.  It will be interesting to see what's come up with. 
Out of curiousity, what would people make of it were they to decide to come up with some original storylines not based directly on one of the games, but using an already established group, such as the CV3 gang?  For example, Trevor and co, after facing Dracula, go and deal with another vampire runing amok and causing trouble outside of Wallachia, or they're going and dealing with the effects of the curse, which could tie in elements from Curse of Darkness in to the series, but from their perspective.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 12, 2017, 09:49:44 AM
kinda feels surreal that we're leaving the era of Lords of Shadow and entering a new animation era.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 10:08:35 AM
kinda feels surreal that we're leaving the era of Lords of Shadow and entering a new animation era.

I'm with you on that.  That's something heartwarming and comfortable though, that while it's a new take on it, it's a return to the old world, akin to returning to a much loved pair of boots after wearing something else for a time (although I know that this isn't the case for some).  There are some aspects of Lords of Shadow that I love still, but ultimately, the original universe trumps LoS.  It's a slim chance, but I do hope that the generally favourable attitude to the series might persuade Konami to either make more actual games, or hand the series over to someone who'll do a proper job of it.  It's but a dream, however.  In the meanwhile though, to me it's good to see some fresh blood in the series. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on July 12, 2017, 10:32:06 AM
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That aside, I liked it. Music was kind of generic. Needed more of a gothic bent. And sometimes "sword and sandal" is exactly what's called for.

character designs are ok. I liked Trevor's outfit. is it just me or is his crest the LoS Belmont crest?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 12, 2017, 10:43:17 AM
is it just me or is his crest the LoS Belmont crest?

It's not just you, because it is.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 12, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
character designs are ok. I liked Trevor's outfit. is it just me or is his crest the LoS Belmont crest?

People had noticed it, but they flat out confirmed it two days ago, too.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on July 12, 2017, 10:52:39 AM
The church sucks in real life and in the series. Makes sense to me.

Very much this. Besides, the church portrayed in the Castlevania games is little defined and what we saw of it already differs massively from the church found in real life.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 12, 2017, 11:25:51 AM
I wonder if the corruption of the church will be a plot point later on explaining where are all the dark cults that keep resurrecting Dracula will come from.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on July 12, 2017, 11:35:38 AM
I wonder if the corruption of the church will be a plot point later on explaining where are all the dark cults that keep resurrecting Dracula will come from.

Well, it is known that Shaft was a former priest who turned to Darkness... So this is already semi-canon, basically.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 12, 2017, 11:46:32 AM
Yeah, so it leads me to believe that's also the route they're taking. Instead of just random cults popping up, we would have a better understanding of where their influence originates from.

Also this whole argument about the show being anti-christian/catholic is silly. It is anything but that, people just blatantly ignoring the scene of Trevor asking the Priest to make holy water to fend off demons, and the demons telling the corrupt Bishop that even God thought he was a joke. I appreciate the whole "not everything is black and white" approach.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 12:03:10 PM
Now that is an interesting thought.  It could make sense, actually.  I also saw the point about the priest who wasn't corrupt being fine, and able to make hoy water properly.  I wonder if he'll pop up in season 2?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 12, 2017, 12:23:19 PM
There's a problem with anti-church stance this series aside from it simply not fitting in with what was established before. That's actually fine because this series seems to be a similar yet different take on the CV mythos anyway. The problem I'm talking about is that it makes Dracula' motivation for wanting to destroy humanity completely nonsensical.

In this series,  humanity's evil actions seems to fueled by the fear of an authority figure, the church. This is illustrated in the series itself by the exchange between the Bishop and the Mayor, the latter clearly having second thoughts about Lisa's execution. Clearly, the local village people don't have any power to stand up to the church, either. So Dracula's blames them for what exactly? If they don't resist the church they're fucked by Dracula, if they do the right thing and resist they're fucked by the Church.

Why doesn't Dracula just go after the church? Why don't Dracula, the village people, and the Belmonts just team up? In this series, Dracula only does what he does because that's what the plot requires him to do. There's no logic to any of this.

In story of the original timeline, the point is made that humanity is capable of committing atrocities on its own volition. This means Dracula actually has somewhat of a point. Fleshing that out would have ten times more interesting than going for the lowest hanging fruit: the church is evil!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 12, 2017, 01:22:39 PM
It's not just you, because it is.
well that put me in a good mood :)

edit: ugh, quotes are hard.  talking about belmont crest being from lords of shadow
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 01:45:25 PM
There's a problem with anti-church stance this series aside from it simply not fitting in with what was established before. That's actually fine because this series seems to be a similar yet different take on the CV mythos anyway. The problem I'm talking about is that it makes Dracula' motivation for wanting to destroy humanity completely nonsensical.

In this series,  humanity's evil actions seems to fueled by the fear of an authority figure, the church. This is illustrated in the series itself by the exchange between the Bishop and the Mayor, the latter clearly having second thoughts about Lisa's execution. Clearly, the local village people don't have any power to stand up to the church, either. So Dracula's blames them for what exactly? If they don't resist the church they're fucked by Dracula, if they do the right thing and resist they're fucked by the Church.

Why doesn't Dracula just go after the church? Why don't Dracula, the village people, and the Belmonts just team up? In this series, Dracula only does what he does because that's what the plot requires him to do. There's no logic to any of this.

In story of the original timeline, the point is made that humanity is capable of committing atrocities on its own volition. This means Dracula actually has somewhat of a point. Fleshing that out would have ten times more interesting than going for the lowest hanging fruit: the church is evil!

I think it's to do with the line "there are no innocents!" that he proclaims.  Firstly, the people stood by and watched, regardless of whether that was out of fear.  Then, they celebrated a year later, the people joining in to him was evidence that they were glad that the alleged witch was dead. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lelygax on July 12, 2017, 02:27:16 PM
There's a problem with anti-church stance this series aside from it simply not fitting in with what was established before. That's actually fine because this series seems to be a similar yet different take on the CV mythos anyway. The problem I'm talking about is that it makes Dracula' motivation for wanting to destroy humanity completely nonsensical.

In this series,  humanity's evil actions seems to fueled by the fear of an authority figure, the church. This is illustrated in the series itself by the exchange between the Bishop and the Mayor, the latter clearly having second thoughts about Lisa's execution. Clearly, the local village people don't have any power to stand up to the church, either. So Dracula's blames them for what exactly? If they don't resist the church they're fucked by Dracula, if they do the right thing and resist they're fucked by the Church.

Why doesn't Dracula just go after the church? Why don't Dracula, the village people, and the Belmonts just team up? In this series, Dracula only does what he does because that's what the plot requires him to do. There's no logic to any of this.

In story of the original timeline, the point is made that humanity is capable of committing atrocities on its own volition. This means Dracula actually has somewhat of a point. Fleshing that out would have ten times more interesting than going for the lowest hanging fruit: the church is evil!

People weren't forced to watch this happening (the old lady bringing flowers to Lisa's house proves that) and nor forced to celebrate 1 year later. Yet they do so, so its not only because of the church.

Also while watching this scene, Alucard's phrase from SotN ringed at my head all the time:


In the games he wanted to destroy humanity because they killed Lisa, same happens here. If he wanted to destroy only the culprits, he could've destroyed the village in the game, same here. I understand that if he wanted to take revenge by killing the culprits it wouldn't make sense, but Dracula conversation with Alucard shows that he isn't interested in killing only the culprits.

It doesn't seems to matter why, someone could've tried to do the right thing and yet no one did. This theme seems to be recurring in the animated series: Do the right thing, don't let lies prevail, etc. So even if its not humanity alone but a guy from the church that did this, the other present acted as accomplices by simply being there.

Now it becomes bullshit later, because of another thing: the 1 year of time to repent. So while I don't agree with you for the earlier motives, I have to do so because of these.

Even if Dracula was really going to spare people if they changed their way (What I doubt he would do in canon, since he didn't listen to Lisa last words again in this version, he didn't knew where she was or that she was dead until someone told him), I really doubt that he would spare these people present when Lisa was burned at stakes.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 12, 2017, 03:08:38 PM
Why doesn't Dracula just go after the church?

Because he makes comments multiple times that suggest he's been wanting an excuse to have a Purge for quite some time, and Lisa was the only thing stopping it.

Generally I agree with you, but this one's a stretch. The plot may not be to your liking, but it does explain why he goes after everyone and not just Discount Frollo.

the lowest hanging fruit: the church is evil!

The only people who interpret the show's message as anti-religion or anti-church are either religious people looking for something to take as blame or people who are already anti-church looking for a dog in their corner.

The show doesn't spend all its time differentiating asshole clergy from non-asshole believers for no reason.

If the common people are supposedly afraid of the church, then why do they all seem to express surprise and volatility when Trevor spills the beans on the actions of the bearded priest who was fucking with the old guy? Why go to the lengths of pointing out the problems with a priest carrying a thief's dagger at all times or bullying an old man who'd done no wrong if not to establish this point?

And besides, Shankar's already confirmed his intentions on the front regarding the church. Yes, I've seen and fully expect people to continue raising the argument that "well one random good priest that made holy water isn't enough to compensate the obvious CHURCH IS EVIL vibes the rest of the show gives off!", but that's only half-right and here's why.

Correct, one random schmuck with ten seconds of screentime isn't a very good buffer for the hour or so featuring the Bishop and whatnot. But let's not act like that's a fair point in a four-episode extended pilot. Good luck properly defining the nuances and grey-area that is religious morality and fanaticism in the span of 160 minutes when you have all this other shit to lay out for the base plot. It's just not happening. Antagonists need to be established early with nuances relating to them following suit, and that's all that was done.

Note that I'm not necessarily saying it was done well or even as well as it could've or should've been, but that it was done in some measure at least.

I'm all for denoting the flaws in the show, but c'mon people, at least denote them for the right reasons. This thing with the show being anti-church is a serious stretch based on assumptions and conceptions from a rushed pilot season that charges through a lot of its important subject matter haphazardly.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 12, 2017, 03:47:17 PM
I think that yes, a little more screen time to develop some of the counters probably wouldn't have gone amiss, but I read things the same way, D9.  Lelygax's quote from SotN, about the way for evil to endure is if good people stand tehre and do nothing plays well into this as well.  Also, Alucard says that while he';s also grieving, he's calling out his father on going too far.  Yes, he was justifiably angry and wantign vengeance, but he targetting innocent people was well, irrespective of the one year warning.  Lisa wouldn't have wanted him to do this, and he's not honouring her memory by acting like this.

Thanks btw on that horrible worm of thought.... Discount Frollo.  Now I'm thinking of the Bishop singing an adjusted version of Hellfire, and wanting Lisa, who rejected him. :P
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 12, 2017, 07:01:58 PM
I think it's to do with the line "there are no innocents!" that he proclaims.  Firstly, the people stood by and watched, regardless of whether that was out of fear.  Then, they celebrated a year later, the people joining in to him was evidence that they were glad that the alleged witch was dead.

Indeed, and he even gave them a chance out of respect for Lisa. He gave them one year to make peace and flee which was far more than they ever gave Lisa.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 12, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Indeed, and he even gave them a chance out of respect for Lisa. He gave them one year to make peace and flee which was far more than they ever gave Lisa.

>"You, old woman showing deep respect and appreciation for Lisa, as my last act of kindness, leave Wallachia tonight because shit is going down"
>finds burned Lisa
>"lol nope, listen here, people who burned my wife: have one entire year as a last act of kindness"

poor old woman left Wallachia in desperation with the clothing she had on her body for nothing lol
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 12, 2017, 09:15:25 PM
poor old woman left Wallachia in desperation with the clothing she had on her body for nothing lol

Well, she was sick anyway and Lisa was prolonging her life. So, without Lisa, I doubt that she would like for 1 whole year. She must have died from natural causes before the ultimatum was up. That's what I think. Better die from natural causes than be demon chow.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 12, 2017, 10:50:59 PM
Well, she was sick anyway and Lisa was prolonging her life. So, without Lisa, I doubt that she would like for 1 whole year. She must have died from natural causes before the ultimatum was up. That's what I think. Better die from natural causes than be demon chow.

I like to think she was the smart one of the town and heeded his advice. By the time Targoviste was turned into slurry she was probably in Hungary.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 13, 2017, 01:18:50 AM

Because he makes comments multiple times that suggest he's been wanting an excuse to have a Purge for quite some time, and Lisa was the only thing stopping it.

 
I think it was only established (very clumsily in his exchange with Lisa) that Dracula was very cynical of humans.  I think it's actually a good thing to establish that because then you could make Lisa's death more like the last straw rarther than the sole cause for Dracula going on a genocidal rampage. However,  your claim about Dracula basically being a ticking time bomb is not something I see reflected in any of the dialogue. Besides, even if that was the case, I would still take issue with Dracula's logic of going after every human. It's still clear that the Church is the one that's responsible. 

The only people who interpret the show's message as anti-religion or anti-church are either religious people looking for something to take as blame or people who are already anti-church looking for a dog in their corner.

 
I think it's pretty clear the author is using this show as his personal vehicle to express his views about religion, consciously or unconsciously. I don't particularly care but I think it's strange to deny it.
 
 

If the common people are supposedly afraid of the church, then why do they all seem to express surprise and volatility when Trevor spills the beans on the actions of the bearded priest who was fucking with the old guy? Why go to the lengths of pointing out the problems with a priest carrying a thief's dagger at all times or bullying an old man who'd done no wrong if not to establish this point?

 
Here's a line from the original summary from a couple of years ago. This scene occurs after Trevor defeated the Cyclops and before he's taken to the Bishop:
 
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Trevor confronts the village headman known as the Domn and fails topersuade him to protect the Speakers. The Domn claims he is powerless because the city is under the control of the Church.  

 
I believe this scene was cut but the point is that this proves Ellis clearly views the village people as having no agency of their own. This is further supported by the scene you brought up about the village people being suprised they have been misled by the church. All this does is illustrate that Dracula is being unreasonable as fuck. 
 

In the games he wanted to destroy humanity because they killed Lisa, same happens here. If he wanted to destroy only the culprits, he could've destroyed the village in the game, same here. I understand that if he wanted to take revenge by killing the culprits it wouldn't make sense, but Dracula conversation with Alucard shows that he isn't interested in killing only the culprits.

 
Let me stop you right there. It doesn't matter how it's written in the games because we're discussing the writing of show, not the games. Excusing bad writing by pointing at something else isn't a very strong argument.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: le052383 on July 13, 2017, 01:32:54 AM
One thing I had noticed during my first viewing is the girl with the pink outfit during the Trevor questioning the townspeople montage in episode 2.  Is she a homage of Yoko from the Aria of Sorrows/Dawn of Sorrows?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 13, 2017, 01:39:42 AM
I think it was only established (very clumsily in his exchange with Lisa) that Dracula was very cynical of humans.  I think it's actually a good thing to establish that because then you could make Lisa's death more like the last straw rarther than the sole cause for Dracula going on a genocidal rampage. However,  your claim about Dracula basically being a ticking time bomb is not something I see reflected in any of the dialogue.   

I do agree, though your wording is more in-line with what I actually think and meant at the time. The use of "Purge" was meant as a joke, if only because discussion about the series is and has been getting heated and I'm opting to inject crap jokes to ease some of the tension.

I have no disagreement with you on this. Merely a difference of semantics than actual perspective. That he specifically states he gave [killin' bitches] up a long time ago is enough evidence he's just opting to keep to himself, strengthening the "last straw" idea.

I think it's pretty clear the author is using this show as his personal vehicle to express his views about religion, consciously or unconsciously. I don't particularly care but I think it's strange to deny it.

It's not me denying it. Shankar has gone on record stating that he was out to paint an image of "assholes doing asshole things in the robes and name of the clergy" rather than "church and religion are bad". Doesn't mean this does a particularly good job of it or that he might not have distastes simmering in the back of his mind, though, nor do Shankar's testaments absolve or justify away any follies or political statements made or otherwise intended by Ellis himself. It could be entirely truthful that the intent was a grand social commentary on religion, but I don't currently know that for certain.

What I do know is that we have a couple of notably evil individuals using the name of their faith to justify their misdeeds, without blaring that Christianity is bad IMO (that you have all these other people speaking and preaching ideas of goodwill and love for one's neighbor and turning the cheek, etc., all of which are also major doctrines of the faith in question, I think says something on this front--doesn't make its entire case by any means, but at the very least I think the notion of "people unaffiliated with the church are acting more proper for the faith than the actual clergy" being shown is worth considering, at any rate.). If I look at this as a wholesale barb against the church and religion, then (to draw comparison from something with similar themes of "assholes in religion being religious assholes" specifically, this comparison is not to move goalposts or make a wholly irrelevant statement) I would feel that I'd have to look at Disney's Hunchback in the same light--and we all know that film wasn't a knock on religion itself, but against the sinful using the holy names and influence as self-serving hypocrites.

This exists purely as a thematic comparison, I reiterate. It's not meant to defend the actual argument or anything like that, just to lend a frame of reference on how I'm looking at things thematically. You've specified that pointing to another source doesn't justify poor writing, and I agree on that front entirely, so I want to be perfectly transparent and clear on this comparison and my intentions behind it not being an attempt to justify what's here by pointing at a Disney film. Only to stipulate the similarities in thematic elements that I'm perceiving between the two and how that affects how I'm looking at the show itself.

So again, I'm not denying it. But the things I've seen and interpreted myself do not signify to me that this was all an anti-religion opus. If you don't agree with me on that front, that's okay. We'll agree to disagree since it seems to be a matter of simply seeing things in different lights.

Here's a line from the original summary from a couple of years ago. This scene occurs after Trevor defeated the Cyclops and before he's taken to the Bishop:
 

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Trevor confronts the village headman known as the Domn and fails topersuade him to protect the Speakers. The Domn claims he is powerless because the city is under the control of the Church. 

 
I believe this scene was cut but the point is that this proves Ellis clearly views the village people as having no agency of their own. This is further supported by the scene you brought up about the village people being suprised they have been misled by the church. All this does is illustrate that Dracula is being unreasonable as fuck. 

This may very well be--we have evidence to support scenes whose being cut butchered the narrative flow, and this is no different. However, the old script's contents which don't make an appearance I don't personally feel are entirely validated as factors of consideration, if only because we (currently, I'll gladly change my stance if it's confirmed) don't have any confirmation proof that this particular exchange was cut and its concurrent scene butchered because of it.

Beyond the current lack of a definitive answer, though, I otherwise agree with your stance on the matter.

One thing I had noticed during my first viewing is the girl with the pink outfit during the Trevor questioning the townspeople montage in episode 2.  Is she a homage of Yoko from the Aria of Sorrows/Dawn of Sorrows?

WOO SOMEBODY ELSE THOUGHT THE SAME THING

Fuck if I know for sure that was an intended reference, though. :rollseyes:
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 13, 2017, 03:33:32 AM
This may very well be--we have evidence to support scenes whose being cut butchered the narrative flow, and this is no different. However, the old script's contents which don't make an appearance I don't personally feel are entirely validated as factors of consideration, if only because we (currently, I'll gladly change my stance if it's confirmed) don't have any confirmation proof that this particular exchange was cut and its concurrent scene butchered because of it.

Beyond the current lack of a definitive answer, though, I otherwise agree with your stance on the matter.

I would like to say one more thing about this subject and then I'll shut up about it. I think another factor that supports my claim that the village people have no agency is the fact that Ellis shows us the church employs a bunch of thugs to intimidate the local populance. I suppose they could have gone with the "the village people are fools who having been misled by the church, therefore they too must die"  angle but then why show the thugs? Wouldn't it made more sense in that case to write the Bishop like a charismatic figure who manipulates others into doing his bidding? Basically like Graham Jones.

Anyway, on another note, here's an interview with Ellis:

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/07/warren-ellis-on-castlevania-the-legacy-of-hammer-h.html (https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/07/warren-ellis-on-castlevania-the-legacy-of-hammer-h.html)

Quote from: Warren Ellis
Actually, I’m not a gamer! And the awful truth is that I’ve never played or even seen the game. Terrible, isn’t it?
   

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on July 13, 2017, 04:12:24 AM
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So I’ve written what I think of as Season Two already, which is where I move away from the source material somewhat, stretch my legs, and probably get a little eccentric in places.
Well crap.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 13, 2017, 04:44:14 AM
I would like to say one more thing about this subject and then I'll shut up about it. I think another factor that supports my claim that the village people have no agency is the fact that Ellis shows us the church employs a bunch of thugs to intimidate the local populance. I suppose they could have gone with the "the village people are fools who having been misled by the church, therefore they too must die"  angle but then why show the thugs? Wouldn't it made more sense in that case to write the Bishop like a charismatic figure who manipulates others into doing his bidding? Basically like Graham Jones.

Fully agreed. A Graham-like angle would have been a refreshing change of pace with the trope.

I think it's supposed or intended to be that the villagers blindly believe in the cause of the Bishop for one reason or another (based on how he talks about things and his convo with that mayor guy, my surmising is that he used "WITCH, HERETICS, BAAAAAAAAAAD" fear tactics to get the people to follow him), and that his thugs act the part in dark corners and alleyways behind-the-scenes (as we already saw with Grandpa Speaker) to get their way, and rally the people publicly against the "WITCHES, HERETICS, BAAAAAAAAAAD" people/groups that can't be handled in alleyways and behind closed doors.

At least, this is the impression Trevor's laying the facts out for the townspeople and the subsequent violent outcry that follows. The townspeople progressively growing more interested in Trevor's words and more pissed at the priest suggest a strong sense of betrayal--which is something we'd see in a people realizing they've been fed a lie, but not something we'd see in an oppressed people strongarmed into obedience gaining the ground to revolt.

Of course, I stress the keywords that this might be what I think was supposed/intended.

Clearly, the execution didn't do a very good job of belying the intent.

On the secondary note:

>Ellis doesn't know shit about the games and outright admits to never having even seen them played let alone played them himself
>Shankar says he grew up playing it and I don't think he has any reason to lie about that

Oh, the irony and shame this setup beholds.

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 13, 2017, 07:30:54 AM
Actually, I’m not a gamer! And the awful truth is that I’ve never played or even seen the game. Terrible, isn’t it? When I was first contacted about Castlevania, some 10 years ago, I went to the internet to look it up.

--Warren Ellis

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I rest my FUCKING case, your honor.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 13, 2017, 08:00:51 AM
That was 10 years ago.
Also other people other than him are working on it.
Also familiarity with the series doesn't mean the final product will be good. See David Cox
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 13, 2017, 08:06:36 AM
Yes. And Adi Shankar is such a fan that when the script for the long in development Castlevania Hollywood movie landed on his desk, with little to no true connection to the series (think resident evil) he buried it and found this project instead.  Not everyone involved in the project needs to be a fanboy.  Ellis brought his writing skills To the table, and it paid off.  We've known he wasn't a fan since the beginning. I remember reading about it on the blog the day it was posted over ten years ago.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on July 13, 2017, 08:41:55 AM
People need to stop taking this so personally.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 13, 2017, 08:49:27 AM
Just imagine how awful the script for the live action movie must have been if even Adi Shankar thought it sucked.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 13, 2017, 09:59:39 AM
idea for Season 2: instead of the bosses from the game (like Medusa, the mummies, the water dragons, the Creature, etc) being random obstacles to get to the next stage, Dracula sends them out like assassins in the vein of Ninja Scroll and the Vampire Hunter D novels. Have them be personal captains of his forces while Death is his right hand man in the castle. Also, they're gonna have to pick one hell of a voice actor for Death.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 13, 2017, 10:06:50 AM
idea for Season 2: instead of the bosses from the game (like Medusa, the mummies, the water dragons, the Creature, etc) being random obstacles to get to the next stage, Dracula sends them out like assassins in the vein of Ninja Scroll and the Vampire Hunter D novels. Have them be personal captains of his forces while Death is his right hand man in the castle. Also, they're gonna have to pick one hell of a voice actor for Death.

I like this idea.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 13, 2017, 12:47:35 PM
Just imagine how awful the script for the live action movie must have been if even Adi Shankar thought it sucked.

Yes, Adi Shankar has no idea what he's doing  :rollseyes:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frsmg.pbsrc.com%2Falbums%2Fv181%2FJerkofwonder%2FScreenshot_20170713-082400.png%3Fw%3D480%26amp%3Bh%3D480%26amp%3Bfit%3Dclip&hash=d666771f4f1c94253dcccaf15c8863be)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 13, 2017, 12:53:59 PM
Ellis moving a bit away from the source material for season 2 isn't something I like to hear.

The last thing I want to see is another creative head get too full of themselves like Enric Alvarez did with Lords of Shadow 2.

Creative liberties are all well and good but please, try to reel it in a bit...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on July 13, 2017, 01:00:43 PM
idea for Season 2: instead of the bosses from the game (like Medusa, the mummies, the water dragons, the Creature, etc) being random obstacles to get to the next stage, Dracula sends them out like assassins in the vein of Ninja Scroll and the Vampire Hunter D novels. Have them be personal captains of his forces while Death is his right hand man in the castle. Also, they're gonna have to pick one hell of a voice actor for Death.
Yep, I agree, this ^ is the best format the series could take.
Otherwise they would probably end up adding unnecesary plot which would probably be out of place, or rather plot that would be ther just to be there.
But I guess I'm being a bit of a captain obvious here.
Only other format I can think of is "stand user of the week" as seen in Jojo's part 3, which would translate horribly to this series.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 13, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Yes, Adi Shankar has no idea what he's doing  :rollseyes:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frsmg.pbsrc.com%2Falbums%2Fv181%2FJerkofwonder%2FScreenshot_20170713-082400.png%3Fw%3D480%26amp%3Bh%3D480%26amp%3Bfit%3Dclip&hash=d666771f4f1c94253dcccaf15c8863be)

Sorry mang, not an argument.

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Face/Off and Spy Kids must be objectivelly superior to Castlevania, right?

You won, dude. Most people are on your side. Dissenting opinions are hunted like Lisa through the internet. No need to shame people who think Shankar is edgy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on July 13, 2017, 01:20:55 PM
Sorry mang, not an argument.

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You won. Most people are on your side. Dissenting opinions are hunted like Lisa through the internet. No need to shame people who think Shankar is edgy.
The hell?
I was under the impression that Rotten Tomatoes were the strictest critics on teh interwebz.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 13, 2017, 01:22:39 PM
The hell?
I was under the impression that Rotten Tomatoes were the strictest critics on teh interwebz.

Some people just don't understand how Rotten Tomatoes works and use it as the final word on the matter. It quite clearly isn't. But still a bit hilarious to see anyway :P
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on July 13, 2017, 01:26:46 PM
Some people just don't understand how Rotten Tomatoes works and use it as the final word on the matter. It quite clearly isn't.
Ok. Thank you for clarfying that.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lelygax on July 13, 2017, 01:34:48 PM
Let me stop you right there. It doesn't matter how it's written in the games because we're discussing the writing of show, not the games. Excusing bad writing by pointing at something else isn't a very strong argument.

Maybe if you paid more attention to the rest of the post, outside the part you set as bold, you would notice that it was a comparison and wasn't the main part of my argument. Its only natural natural that I would use the game as an example for one of the similarities while at it.

Sorry mang, not an argument.

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Face/Off and Spy Kids must be objectivelly superior to Castlevania, right?

You won, dude. Most people are on your side. Dissenting opinions are hunted like Lisa through the internet. No need to shame people who think Shankar is edgy.

lol
at least the audience score isn't that broken like the tomatometer... for now.
If they don't take care it will become Metacritic 2.0:
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 13, 2017, 01:39:24 PM
lol
at least the audience score isn't that broken like the tomatometer... for now.
If they don't take care it will become Metacritic 2.0:
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Cory In The House >>>>>>>>>>>>> Castlevania. All of them.

DUDE IMAGINE CORY FIGHTING VAMPIRES IN THE HOUSE! WITH RAVEN AS HIS ASSIST!

"Cory!"
"Raven!"
"Cory!"
"Raven!"
"Cory!"
"Raven!"

Is Raven her dimension's version of Nostradamus? DID RAVEN PREDICT 1999????
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 13, 2017, 01:58:38 PM
 All Rotten Tomatoes tells me is that currently 10 out of 11 people on the internet gave this show a positive review.
 
Maybe if you paid more attention to the rest of the post, outside the part you set as bold, you would notice that it was a comparison and wasn't the main part of my argument. Its only natural natural that I would use the game as an example for one of the similarities while at it.


Who cares if it isn't your main argument? I was just pointing out it isn't relevant to this discussion.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 13, 2017, 02:27:00 PM
Ellis moving a bit away from the source material for season 2 isn't something I like to hear.

The last thing I want to see is another creative head get too full of themselves like Enric Alvarez did with Lords of Shadow 2.

Creative liberties are all well and good but please, try to reel it in a bit...

Likewise.  Let's just hope that the things being 'signed off' by Konami (i.e. probably referring to the working with Iga on this) helped somewhat.  We shall see.  *Sighs*
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheTextGuy on July 13, 2017, 02:55:12 PM
All Rotten Tomatoes tells me is that currently 10 out of 11 people on the internet gave this show a positive review.

Can't believe I didn't notice it until now, but the average rating of the show's also 6.87/10 as of this writing.  For some reason I've never bothered to check the average ratings until now for Rotten Tomatoes (it doesn't help the Tomatometer's in big bold letters in comparison).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lelygax on July 13, 2017, 03:20:36 PM
Cory In The House >>>>>>>>>>>>> Castlevania. All of them.

DUDE IMAGINE CORY FIGHTING VAMPIRES IN THE HOUSE! WITH RAVEN AS HIS ASSIST!

"Cory!"
"Raven!"
"Cory!"
"Raven!"
"Cory!"
"Raven!"

Is Raven her dimension's version of Nostradamus? DID RAVEN PREDICT 1999????

While Cory's gameplay isn't like CV, its a stealth game. If he hid in a box some time in this game I would laugh hard.

Who cares if it isn't your main argument? I was just pointing out it isn't relevant to this discussion.

So you are saying that you don't care for my argument, but yet felt the need to find a specific part that doesn't reflected the argument and say that it wasn't relevant? Strange. I'll take the benefit of doubt and believe that I read what you said out of context, since usually it would mean that you are trying to dimnish my words yet I never saw you doing that before.  :rollseyes:

Answering your hypothetical question:
Excusing bad writing by pointing at something else isn't a very strong argument.

You from moments ago sure does.

Well its like I tried to explain, but if I need to state the obvious I will: the game is the source material, thus it will appear times and times in a discussion about the animation. Saying its not relevant is almost comical, even more when I was comparing it to something that happens in the animation and was similar to the game.  :P

Even so thanks for pointing that out, yet if you isolate a part of a text it surely will act out of context and maybe "not relevant", seems to be what you did. Since even if you take the part where I compare it with the games it doesn't seems as irrelevant as you say:

In the games he wanted to destroy humanity because they killed Lisa, same happens here. If he wanted to destroy only the culprits, he could've destroyed the village in the game, same here. I understand that if he wanted to take revenge by killing the culprits it wouldn't make sense, but Dracula conversation with Alucard shows that he isn't interested in killing only the culprits.

It doesn't seems to matter why, someone could've tried to do the right thing and yet no one did. This theme seems to be recurring in the animated series: Do the right thing, don't let lies prevail, etc. So even if its not humanity alone but a guy from the church that did this, the other present acted as accomplices by simply being there.


Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 13, 2017, 11:05:47 PM
Sees Sharknado. WHOOOO!!!

Wow, I feel so bad for Kingsglaive. /sob
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 14, 2017, 01:23:15 AM
While Cory's gameplay isn't like CV, its a stealth game. If he hid in a box some time in this game I would laugh hard.

So you are saying that you don't care for my argument, but yet felt the need to find a specific part that doesn't reflected the argument and say that it wasn't relevant? 

You're backpedaling when you say that the part of your post I commented on doesn't reflect your argument. Clearly you included that you try and give your argument more  weight. I got triggered by that argument because it's just a method to deflect criticism.  If we're discussing the writing quality of an adaptation then it doesn't matter how good or bad the writing of the source material is.   
 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shinobi on July 14, 2017, 08:31:27 AM
Speaking of Rotten Tomatoes argument, how about the Justin Bieber movie is way higher than Batman Vs Superman? 64% and 29% respectively.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on July 14, 2017, 11:01:57 AM
I prefer metacritic over rt.

Anyway, i think its a good adaptation. It may change some stuff but who the fuck cares about CV3 story beyond "Trevor, Sypha and Alucard kill Drac"
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 14, 2017, 11:12:29 AM
Yep, I agree, this ^ is the best format the series could take.
Otherwise they would probably end up adding unnecesary plot which would probably be out of place, or rather plot that would be ther just to be there.
But I guess I'm being a bit of a captain obvious here.
Only other format I can think of is "stand user of the week" as seen in Jojo's part 3, which would translate horribly to this series.

More like it would just fit the structure better. They might add a bit of plot, but enough so where they're not just appearing out of nowhere. They'd be like  the Barbarois from Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust where they're assassins with specialized abilities from their supernatural origins.

Anyway, another interview with Shankar:

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/features/868817-showrunner-adi-shankar-on-the-netflix-castlevania-series#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/features/868817-showrunner-adi-shankar-on-the-netflix-castlevania-series#/slide/1)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on July 14, 2017, 12:15:10 PM
Ellis moving a bit away from the source material for season 2 isn't something I like to hear.

The last thing I want to see is another creative head get too full of themselves like Enric Alvarez did with Lords of Shadow 2.

Creative liberties are all well and good but please, try to reel it in a bit...
Agreed.  The amount of changes they made in the first season are about on the cusp of what I'm comfortable with as it is.  Anything more extreme than that would start pissing me off, I think.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 14, 2017, 02:20:14 PM
You guys are hilarious, I posted the pic to show the talk like Shankar is a hack is ridiculous, the critical praise for this show is not meaningless in the slightest.  It means a lot more than some butt hurt fans. Don't like it?  Ok, but it's probably just due to it not fitting your vision of the series.  The quality it has as a work of cinema/television/ however you classify it is solid, and the critics back that up.  Nobody is attacking or silencing dissenters... my god can we cut the drama?  If anyone is trying to shut up people for disagreeing with them it is you guys.

In other news... Adi Shankar shared my review today... =D  Closing in on 1000 views in one day.  https://www.facebook.com/bootleguniverse/posts/1953553478211610 (https://www.facebook.com/bootleguniverse/posts/1953553478211610)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 14, 2017, 02:28:41 PM
You guys are hilarious, I posted the pic to show the talk like Shankar is a hack is ridiculous, the critical praise for this show is not meaningless in the slightest.  It means a lot more than some butt hurt fans. Don't like it?  Ok, but it's probably just due to it not fitting your vision of the series.  The quality it has as a work of cinema/television/ however you classify it is solid, and the critics back that up.  Nobody is attacking or silencing dissenters... my god can we cut the drama?  If anyone is trying to shut up people for disagreeing with them it is you guys.

I know people who are being silently banned and blocked from other Castlevania pages without any warning, without any indication of whom on the staff did it, and no one on the staff answering their messages in inquiries when the people banned try to get an explanation.

Why is it these people have done?

Offered too-heavy crit of the show and/or get into it with some rabid superfan who thinks the show is untouchably perfect (and not even close to the degree of argument quality we're seeing on here, mind you). Meanwhile others regularly and actively insult the staff on those pages and sites and communities, call them bitches who are too spineless to do anything...those people get to stay. Seems rather...funny that some minor dissent for the show the pages are exploding with is cause for suspiciously immediate and discreet removal, while others who antagonize the moderation staff get to run about freely. Very funny indeed.

So shut the fuck up, Alex. People are absolutely being silenced over this. Stop running your fucking mouth when you don't know everything that's going on.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 14, 2017, 02:31:37 PM

So shut the fuck up, Alex. People are absolutely being silenced over this. Stop running your fucking mouth when you don't know everything that's going on.

I wonder why people you know might get banned...  How are you even still here?  Isn't this kind of stuff flagrantly against the rules?  Grow up man.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 14, 2017, 02:51:00 PM
>makes incorrect claim
>disproves claim
>lol why aren't you gone grow up
>insults me
>insults the company i keep

Good to see we're on the same level of burden of proof here.

Anyway, this is my ticket out. I'm done with this website and this community and individuals who either can't react to conflicting proof like an adult or can't handle a few instances of the word "fuck." I'm tired of being unable to speak my mind when I think someone's well and truly being an asshole, because then I'M the asshole and how is D9 not banned yet all he does is have an attitude and attack people and (insert various rant from someone in the past here). Wah. He just attacks people and is a general asshole because that's who he is and he needs to grow up. Wah. There's no possible way he has well-formed reasons for being an asshole about a particular matter, because we know everything going on in his neck of the woods. Wah.

Most of all I think I'm sick of the general disposition regarding difference of opinion and inability of people on both ends of things to actually fucking listen to one another and converse reasonably, of which I'm also guilty at times, which is precisely one of the reasons I'm sick of it. Some of you people just want a circlejerk for something, others can't differentiate fact from subjective, others still sometimes bite too hard and too deep over disproportionally small matters, and I'm goddamn tired of it all. Especially those among us who can't handle being given a bit of flak without resorting immediately to insults about intelligence or maturity. If I hate myself looking back at occasions I've done so myself, then I have to hate when anyone else does it too. And thus it is.

Show dissenters have been handling a few situations poorly in all this. Show fans have been handling a few situations poorly in all this. Both sides have fucked up the quality of the conversation, which is why if you've fucking noticed I've largely abandoned posting my own thoughts about the show in lieu of trying to mediate and explain the stances of both sides to each other, here and elsewhere. And even when clearly trying to keep a cool head and play a middle-grounded role in all this, I'm still The Asshole™ who shouldn't be here at this point. Lovely.

So congrats. All you people who hate me or my methods in the past of biting hard finally won. Good job. You're rid of me. Enjoy the celebratory party, you've certainly earned it.

And so I depart. I'll check in periodically (or more likely, have someone here keep me in the loop) and wait for all this bullshit over the show to chill the fuck out. Maybe I'll come back when it does. Maybe not. We'll see what time away not dealing with all the bullshit does for my psyche. I expect it'll be refreshing.

Glad Senpai noticed you though, dude. I rather enjoyed your article for what it's worth, so it's good to see it getting coverage.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 14, 2017, 02:52:28 PM
It means a lot more than some butt hurt fans.

(https://i.imgflip.com/db8ny.jpg?a416520)

If butthurt fans are so insignificant, why are you so desperate to prove them wrong, again? It's as I said above, man. You won. You set your head to win, and you did. Shankar is at the top of his game, Ellis is apparently the new messiah (<<< unintended reference) and the adaptation is the next coming of Dracula.

In fact, the adaptation is so powerful that my CV page grew in thousands of newcomers in two days.

I don't see why you, on the side of the crushing majority liking the show, are so desperate to defend the animation so fiercely... Unless the insignificant "butthurt fans" ARE making points TOO valid for you to overlook. But I don't think this is the case, as your praise appears genuine, taking me back to the beginning.

So, then again, why are you so desperate, dude? Let the butthurt fans be butthurt, fam, they really DO have a reason to be desperate, as they are few and they are getting silenced. You lose literally nothing.

EDIT: I'll also agree with D9 that your article is nice. Congrats on the coverage.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 14, 2017, 03:52:16 PM
*Headdesk*  I think, as D9's pointed out, there are people on both sides who've acted badly potentially, and not just on here.  I think it's a case of people needing to calm the heck down.  Go, get some fresh air.  Chill!  People are getting more and more wound up, and more and more passionate about a debate, until hings are kind of exploding and not in a good way.  This is, like was pointed out a while back, effectively a pilot.  Yes, we want to see an adaptation that doesn't suck, that lives up to the games which are held so preciously by us.  Hey, guess what, either way they still exist, no matter whether we like the series adaptation or not.  That's good in my books.  It's good for me that the series, while imo has its faults, is doing a lot of good for the series.  The way that people are however reacting isn't necessarily helping the survival in the longrun, in a way.  It's at least given Castlevania a lifeline, when things were looking like it was already dead in the water.  Yes, the silencing dissenters is bad.  Everyone should be free to have their opinion on it, either way.  But thins here are geting out of hand.  Go, grab a cup of coffee/tea, and take five.  I hate seeing that people who've made some really valuable contributions to the community, on both sides of this, are getting so fed up fo things that they're looking at walking away from the community.  Let's just take tock of things right now.
Right, now I've said my piece, and given my thoughts on the arguement and the series in general,
~ Tatt over and out for now on this

PS: Btw, a lot of people are comparing this to Vampire Hunter D, especially Bloodlust.  the film is held up as a perfect encapsulation of a beloved series.  Yet it bears very little resemblance, aside for the loosest of ways, to the book that it's based on, Demon Deathchase.  Yet both have their merits.  Both can be enjoyed, or not.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on July 14, 2017, 05:01:47 PM
>implying anything with Nicholas Cage and John Travolta chewing up the screen isn't pure kino

Also Spy kids was a perfectly good movie for it's time.

It maybe hasn't aged as well, but at the time, it was hot stuff.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: uzo on July 14, 2017, 05:05:39 PM
I go away for a couple of days and suddenly this thread:

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/1cabb583aaf495f50f8fa4e4fe848773/tumblr_ojkex5YLdM1tlwa21o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 15, 2017, 12:12:44 AM
And here I was thinking that we are better off than the other fandoms... I was mistaken.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 15, 2017, 01:16:31 AM
Using Rotten Tomatoes an objective indicator of quality is stupid, especially if the consensus is a whooping 11 people.

And here I was thinking that we are better off than the other fandoms... I was mistaken.

Things are getting very heated but during the LoS period it was worse, I think.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 15, 2017, 02:51:16 AM
Using Rotten Tomatoes an objective indicator of quality is stupid, especially if the consensus is a whooping 11 people.

Things are getting very heated but during the LoS period it was worse, I think.

Well, maybe that proves that the crowd is getting older. "We ain't got time for that shit"
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: zangetsu468 on July 15, 2017, 03:26:38 AM
Things are getting very heated but during the LoS period it was worse, I think.

I agree. Around the time of LOS (maybe just prior to its release) after years of not logging in, I visited CVD and started logging in more frequently as time went by. I wouldn't say the experiences were all negative, however, even being an oldschool fan who probably wasn't seen very often in the dungeon I felt was very tough back then, somewhat cold and stark, it was difficult to be acknowledged or not be cut down if you disagreed with a much more seasoned CVD Vet.

This animation is taking the spotlight because there's currently no more games, and it's all the fanbase (old and new) has. If this was another divisive release in the form of a main console release game (like LOS was), we'd be tearing each other's f***ing throats out left, right and centre.

Shiroi also makes a valid point, "we" don't necessarily have time for that shit. This and the next generations are more and more time-poor, and I sympathise with those who have done the hours (admittedly I'm not one of them) and put in extensive amounts of research into the canon, interviews, the lore, Japanese translations, obscure pieces of media that not everybody has access to,, and last but not least - game development, and probably many more.

I imagine how it's frustrating to those who have put in the time and dedication to keep their status quo, work on their own projects, and in a sense "induct" new members into the CVD. Regardless of how divided CV's fanbase is, I still believe that this place is a Sanctuary/ Library of sorts when it comes to storing information, ideas and philosophy/ theory about CV. I notice new members popping up now and again, which given a franchise that hasn't had a proper release (since OOE imho) is indicative that it's an understatement to say that this place carries much value to us fans, for me it's carried the franchise itself and generated ongoing interest in Castlevania as well as fan games/ other .

D9, you're probably the strongest personality on here (which as an Aries I can appreciate because I'm like that myself in life) so on a personal note, it will be sad to not have you around quite so much.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 15, 2017, 08:54:59 AM
I go away for a couple of days and suddenly this thread:

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/1cabb583aaf495f50f8fa4e4fe848773/tumblr_ojkex5YLdM1tlwa21o1_500.gif)

Not nearly that awesome, unfortunately.

Anyway, another interview with Shankar in which he makes an interesting comment on Death:

https://www.inverse.com/article/34013-castlevania-netflix-adi-shankar-season-2-dracula-trevor-belmont-interview (https://www.inverse.com/article/34013-castlevania-netflix-adi-shankar-season-2-dracula-trevor-belmont-interview)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on July 15, 2017, 09:05:46 AM
Arent there like 3 CV sites (being generous) and deader than the chapel?

Being a purist about a book i understand. Being a purist about a game with barely any story (having A LOT OF STORY FOR A NES GAME doesnt make if full of story) released 30 yrs ago i dont. For all we know IGA might have changed the CV3 story to something like that had he gotten the chance to do CV3R.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 15, 2017, 10:49:28 AM
Not nearly that awesome, unfortunately.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.fod4.com%2Fmisc%2FWaving%2520Arms%2520Inflatable%2520Battle.gif&hash=47451c979de3d2e6bc2430df24c6eb5c)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 15, 2017, 10:49:57 AM
Being a purist about a book i understand. Being a purist about a game with barely any story (having A LOT OF STORY FOR A NES GAME doesnt make if full of story)

Of course it is not a full story, man. Nobody here is saying it is. And nobody here wants down-to-a-comma purism. At least, I don't. It's not even ENOUGH story to want a "true purism".

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For all we know IGA might have changed the CV3 story to something like that had he gotten the chance to do CV3R.

Hypotheticals aren't really debatable. And if he did, many would dislike it just aswell. IGA is not a god, and "it's good because IGA did it" is just as ignorant as "it's good because Ellis did it".
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: uzo on July 15, 2017, 10:55:23 AM
Things are getting very heated but during the LoS period it was worse, I think.

Oh yeah. The LoS days... It was a great war that lasted YEARS. Just look at the page count on those two LoS and LoS2 threads!


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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on July 15, 2017, 11:09:30 AM
Even those who do not like the show have to agree that it's still loads better than anything LoS ever had to offer.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on July 15, 2017, 12:20:52 PM
Of course it is not a full story, man. Nobody here is saying it is. And nobody here wants down-to-a-comma purism. At least, I don't. It's not even ENOUGH story to want a "true purism".

Hypotheticals aren't really debatable. And if he did, many would dislike it just aswell. IGA is not a god, and "it's good because IGA did it" is just as ignorant as "it's good because Ellis did it".

Then i dont get your reaction. It might not be the BEST ADAPTATION EVER DONE (Well, maybe the best videogame adaptation so far but that's not a huge achievement) nor be a flawless series but the reactions some people have here make it appear like if it was less faithful than the RE movies
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Belmontoya on July 15, 2017, 01:20:57 PM
I think threads like this would be much better off if those who do not like the subject made a comment or two about why they don't like it, and then moved on.

If you don't like something why continue to go back and check up on its thread just so you can continue to debate why you think it sucks with those who come here for a positive forum experience?

If you don't like it great, tell us why and move on. Don't keep beating it into the ground and antagonizing the fans who did like it.

THAT is what creates a hostile forum environment and I can imagine that users who come here and see that type of behavior get turned off. This isn't about silencing fans, it's about maintaining a positive forum experience.

For the record I didn't like everything about the show. I didn't like the music. I'm not gonna chime in every time I see someone praise the music to remind them that I think it sucks. I don't like arguing with people. Especially about things I don't care for.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 15, 2017, 02:01:28 PM
Then i dont get your reaction. It might not be the BEST ADAPTATION EVER DONE (Well, maybe the best videogame adaptation so far but that's not a huge achievement) nor be a flawless series but the reactions some people have here make it appear like if it was less faithful than the RE movies

Long-ish text. No, I'm not fighting you  :P

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: redrum on July 15, 2017, 02:42:18 PM
"THE THREE OF US WILL DESTROY DRACULA."
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi66.tinypic.com%2F1zelhmg.jpg&hash=7b2645d48e2006364c14a3e2303eedc8)
leave me out (again) why dontcha?
pirates are huge in hollywood right now!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on July 15, 2017, 03:05:31 PM
I think threads like this would be much better off if those who do not like the subject made a comment or two about why they don't like it, and then moved on.

If you don't like something why continue to go back and check up on its thread just so you can continue to debate why you think it sucks with those who come here for a positive forum experience?

If you don't like it great, tell us why and move on. Don't keep beating it into the ground and antagonizing the fans who did like it.

THAT is what creates a hostile forum environment and I can imagine that users who come here and see that type of behavior get turned off. This isn't about silencing fans, it's about maintaining a positive forum experience.

For the record I didn't like everything about the show. I didn't like the music. I'm not gonna chime in every time I see someone praise the music to remind them that I think it sucks. I don't like arguing with people. Especially about things I don't care for.

This, so much. If you do not like something, give a reason, write a whole massive threat about it, even, but don't continually come back to throw it in the face of those who like it. Taste is something that can't really be argued reasonably about, so why someone would even attempt that is baffling.

And just for the record, I found the series to be okay. I like it mainly because it gives Castlevania life again. As a hardcore fan, I disagree with the things changed and/or added in the show, but I could enjoy it on its own merits well enough. I like it more for what it represents, rather than what it is.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on July 15, 2017, 08:20:18 PM
Ah the LoS days.

Good times. Many a computer burst into flames, but good times.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 15, 2017, 08:56:19 PM
The LoS series was a dark age. I sincerely hope we never have to go back to those times ever again lol
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lelygax on July 16, 2017, 12:04:39 AM
The LoS series was a dark age. I sincerely hope we never have to go back to those times ever again lol

Looking at what happened here with LoS and now with the animated series, just imagine if the forums existed when this came out, the world would be burning and Dracula would be ruling it with the hate generated by it:
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on January 20, 2018, 05:43:41 AM
Season 2 out this summer:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-19/netflix-castlevania-writer-2nd-season-premieres-this-summer/.126679 (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-19/netflix-castlevania-writer-2nd-season-premieres-this-summer/.126679)

Will Trevor's balls survive the season?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheTextGuy on January 20, 2018, 08:29:19 PM
Season 2 out this summer:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-19/netflix-castlevania-writer-2nd-season-premieres-this-summer/.126679 (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-19/netflix-castlevania-writer-2nd-season-premieres-this-summer/.126679)

Will Trevor's balls survive the season?

Grant's main role in this series is gonna be as Trevor's balls' enemy.  He's just gonna kick em more.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on January 21, 2018, 04:29:04 AM
Will Trevor's balls survive the season?

that is probably a question for sypha
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: chainsawmidget on January 21, 2018, 07:54:13 AM
Looking at what happened here with LoS and now with the animated series, just imagine if the forums existed when this came out, the world would be burning and Dracula would be ruling it with the hate generated by it:

Still better than the Judgment redesigns. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: zangetsu468 on January 21, 2018, 01:40:19 PM
Season 2 out this summer:
Will Trevor's balls survive the season?

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Super Waffle on January 21, 2018, 02:44:36 PM
that is probably a question for sypha
(https://i.imgur.com/dqfcl3C.jpg)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on January 22, 2018, 11:05:21 PM
Grant's main role in this series is gonna be as Trevor's balls' enemy.  He's just gonna kick em more.

And then he tries the same with Alucard only to realize his are apparently made from reinforced titanium
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on January 23, 2018, 02:01:12 AM
LOL All the balls related comments!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 07, 2018, 10:07:46 AM
Season 3 got announced:

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/ (http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 07, 2018, 10:16:51 AM
A man likes what he reads.........
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on June 07, 2018, 11:33:54 AM
Season 3 got announced:

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/ (http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/)
What??

I wonder if Season 2 might not be the end of Dracula's Curse then?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 07, 2018, 11:46:31 AM
That's what I thought, too.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on June 07, 2018, 01:55:44 PM
Season 3 got announced:

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/ (http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/)

Hopefully Trevor gets a titanium-plated codpiece to protect his gonads by then
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on June 08, 2018, 02:50:44 AM
I thought they would wrap Dracula's Curse in season 2, interesting. Maybe they'll incorporate CoD's story with CV3 characters in season 3?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: gallandryal on June 08, 2018, 09:56:49 AM
I thought they would wrap Dracula's Curse in season 2, interesting. Maybe they'll incorporate CoD's story with CV3 characters in season 3?

i think  Curse of Darkness will be on season 3. I wonder if CvIII will be finished on season 2 or some events will be dragged to season 3  as i'm not sure if CoD in Trevor's perspective can make a season alone but who knows what more they can add...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on June 08, 2018, 10:07:04 AM
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Maybe they'll incorporate CoD's story with CV3 characters in season 3?

Personally I'd rather they not do that. CoD was okay as a game but the story was shoehorned in and the only CV3 character to carry over was Trevor (not counting Dracula).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on June 08, 2018, 10:56:13 AM
hear me out guys

cod anime

and mark hamill is isaac
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: crisis on June 08, 2018, 01:30:16 PM
^that would be pretty phat actually. they can adapt the manga, and somehow tie it into the Netflix series since CoD & CVIII take place during the same time frame. A lot of potential there
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on June 08, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
I think we're more likely to get a RoB/SotN sequel than a CoD anime.

My dream series would be

DC - DXC - OoE - 1999 - AoS
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 13, 2018, 04:03:23 AM
I think we're more likely to get a RoB/SotN sequel than a CoD anime.

My dream series would be

DC - DXC - OoE - 1999 - AoS

Yep, that's pretty perfect to me. Two generations of Belmonts shown, leading into the era with no known Belmonts, and into the era with the final Belmont, before the redemption arc for Dracula.

Let's just

End it at AoS though. I still like pretending DoS never happened, canonically
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on June 14, 2018, 05:52:59 AM
Id Like to see  The Frist CV , then Rondo of blood, then 1999.

it'll most likely be SoTN.
And I think that's a shame really as SoTN has had SO much exposure Over the years. When other Games are much more in need of exposure.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 20, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
http://comicbook.com/anime/amp/2018/06/19/castlevania-anime-season-2-update-premiere-2018/ (http://comicbook.com/anime/amp/2018/06/19/castlevania-anime-season-2-update-premiere-2018/)

Seems like season 2 is going to be released "later this year".
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on June 20, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
I saw somewhere a while back that it was slated for mid-to-late July. I want to say July 25....
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on June 20, 2018, 06:57:17 AM
I saw somewhere a while back that it was slated for mid-to-late July. I want to say July 25....

Not July, apparently. (https://i.redd.it/my5t7l8nvw411.png)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on June 21, 2018, 02:17:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qLiVgaR.jpg)

Fall 2018

Also, it appears the whip is getting a makeover on the second season too.

This appeared as a final page ad on Issue #5 of the Kick-Ass comic.

I'll launch a crazy hypothesis: Trevor will get to battle some foe (maybe even Dracula himself) and fail to hurt him, then escape to survive. This will prompt him to seek the upgrade. It makes no narrative sense for him to attain this upgrade if he doesn't know that the standard leather whip does not hurt something that he's seeking to fight back (or maybe it does and I'm just failing to see it, but I'll stand by my hypothesis for now).

Another thing could be that Alucard informs him that the leather whip is much too weak to deal with Dracula, and they work together to reforge it (as Trevor's VA hinted they would [work together a lot] on his reveal).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on June 21, 2018, 03:18:19 AM
Looks like a different whip from the one Trevor used in the first season.

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.relyonhorror.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2Fwhipit.jpg&hash=7e5e02f64af61842860bfe2f310a0d62)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on June 21, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
Ooooooh Trevor getting the upgraded whip in Season 2! Nice!

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Note: Fatal for Non-Belmonts!
This made me smile
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on June 23, 2018, 02:01:07 AM
Yes!!! This is exciting news. :)

I still worry about Trevor's balls.  ;D
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on June 24, 2018, 05:22:24 PM
Idle thought: Curse of Darkness with Netflix Trevor.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on June 25, 2018, 03:52:02 PM
Must say looking forward to see this  new whip action.

And maybe we'll get a deeper look into the origin of this universes Vampire Killer whip. you know didn't think I could be looking More forward to season 2. But now I'm  sooooo far up the hype train. I'm Driving the dag thing.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on June 25, 2018, 06:05:13 PM
Idle thought: Curse of Darkness with Netflix Trevor.
I felt like if Netflix Trevor cleaned up a bit he would be pretty similar to CoD Trevor, something I think was intentional.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 02, 2018, 10:51:48 AM
https://twitter.com/powerhouseanim/status/1013832020949110784 (https://twitter.com/powerhouseanim/status/1013832020949110784)
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July 7th marks the 1 YEAR Anniversary of #Castlevania on @Netflix! We'll be celebrating with a… BIG announcement coming later this week!

https://twitter.com/SamuelDeats/status/1013833843042934784 (https://twitter.com/SamuelDeats/status/1013833843042934784)
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Hey everyone! Keep your eyes open this week. 😊 #Castlevania

Keep your eyes peeled Saturday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySl_WUZ2B8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySl_WUZ2B8)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 05, 2018, 05:26:26 PM
Shankar has just announced on Anime Expo that the second season drops in October 26th.

There was also a Season 2 teaser, but everyone not on the event got (expectedly) bamboozled via stream and saw nothing.

EDIT: Teaser has leaked (https://twitter.com/TheGeeklyGrind/status/1015028525047271424). I'm pretty sure that you can see Grant in it this time. Including him being transformed into a monster.

EDIT: I think I also spotted Olrox.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 05, 2018, 06:19:14 PM
Is that fucking Hector?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 05, 2018, 06:22:21 PM
-Breathes in deep and marks calendar-
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 05, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
Is that fucking Hector?

Bald Hector? Do you want to see people riot, dude?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 05, 2018, 06:43:10 PM
Bald Hector? Do you want to see people riot, dude?
I mean... the coat... it's so similar...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 05, 2018, 07:16:46 PM
I mean... the coat... it's so similar...

Could be a forgemaster (even Hector, who knows what their plans are), could be also Zead! Buncha bald dudes to go with :P
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 05, 2018, 07:58:56 PM
Some people are thinking Olrox too... I wonder...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 05, 2018, 08:08:47 PM
I think Olrox is a better candidate for bald guy, since they went with the SOTN route with Lisa, blond Alucard, etc.
Or if they want the COD route, Zead is a better option than Hector. Thou shalt not mess with Hector's mane! LOL
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on July 05, 2018, 10:18:31 PM
As the dude says in the video: HOLY FACK.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 06, 2018, 07:39:14 AM
I would have no problem with them changing Hector or Isaac's looks, or even just an original devil forgemaster not seen in the games.  As I said before season 1 released this is an adaptation of the NES game, any details that point to or reference wider aspects of the series is very much appreciated.

Though if it is Olrox, I really hope they don't go with the mistranslation.  That's the one that bugs me more than any in the series.  And I would hope he would look more like the classic Orlok, but just like I said above, any references to the wider series is a plus.

And while it seems clear that the vampire killer is not as presented in Lament of Innocence, I hope they don't make up some other progenitor of the Belmont clan.  Either leave it a mystery, or just name drop Leon.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 06, 2018, 09:14:49 AM
I'm voting that the bald guy might be Zead/Death.  Having Isaac and Hector pop up in the background before Hector turns his back on Dracula would be awesome to see, and might be nice lead in to season 3.  The trailer and the preview photos are gorgeous, I love that small touch of the SotN save data symbol thing.
  I'm wondering, based on the tiny clips, that using Alucard's alchemical knowledge, works together with Sypha and Trevor for Trevor to forge the new chain whip.  That might be some of the working together stuf mentioned previously? 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 06, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
Adam Deats has suplied us with a wonderful little piece of concept art from the board artists: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhb6tWrXkAIM6-i.jpg:large. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 06, 2018, 11:08:49 AM
Adam Deats has suplied us with a wonderful little piece of concept art from the board artists: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhb6tWrXkAIM6-i.jpg:large.

I'll quote what I said a while ago:

I'll launch a crazy hypothesis: Trevor will get to battle some foe (maybe even Dracula himself) and fail to hurt him, then escape to survive. This will prompt him to seek the upgrade. It makes no narrative sense for him to attain this upgrade if he doesn't know that the standard leather whip does not hurt something that he's seeking to fight back (or maybe it does and I'm just failing to see it, but I'll stand by my hypothesis for now).

Sypha burning her own feet is cute af
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 07, 2018, 08:51:26 AM
Should we be expecting something more today?  Maybe an official release of the leaked teaser?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 07, 2018, 01:23:15 PM
Should we be expecting something more today?  Maybe an official release of the leaked teaser?
They never confirmed anything. The tweet powerhouse posted is probably referring to the release date sadly...

July 7th marks the 1 YEAR Anniversary of #Castlevania on @Netflix! We'll be celebrating with a… BIG announcement coming later this week!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: darkmanx_429 on July 07, 2018, 07:43:10 PM
Shankar has just announced on Anime Expo that the second season drops in October 26th.

There was also a Season 2 teaser, but everyone not on the event got (expectedly) bamboozled via stream and saw nothing.

EDIT: Teaser has leaked (https://twitter.com/TheGeeklyGrind/status/1015028525047271424). I'm pretty sure that you can see Grant in it this time. Including him being transformed into a monster.

EDIT: I think I also spotted Olrox.
Shit just got realz!!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Mysterii on July 08, 2018, 05:38:44 PM
Idle thought: Curse of Darkness with Netflix Trevor.

Funny, that was my thought in my recent playthrough upon reaching him in Garibaldi Cathedral.

Trevor:  Are you the devil-forgemaster?
Hector:  I am! Who wants to know?
Trevor:  I'm Trevor fucking Belmont.  And I've never lost a fight to man or fucking beast!

And of course the fact that by this point in time, his testicles have hardened up from god knows what and eloping with Sypha.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on July 08, 2018, 10:42:35 PM
That bald guy has to be a forgemaster.
Hectors vest looks very similar in all of the Kojima artwork. But the simplified comic version resembles it even more.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/3/3a/CoD-manga_Vol_1.png/revision/latest?cb=20090308072918)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Kale on July 21, 2018, 01:51:24 PM
Honestly didn't like the Netflix series much at all. I couldn't even finish the first eps all the way. Just got bored.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 22, 2018, 05:37:05 AM
Honestly didn't like the Netflix series much at all. I couldn't even finish the first eps all the way. Just got bored.

I honestly know what you mean. Having just watched it for the first time in the last few days, I have to say: it was good, but it just... felt like it was "off" somehow until that last episode when everything finally feels like Castlevania when Trevor fights Alucard. Up until that point I was rather bored, wondering when the Castlevania stuff was due to start. It's not really a "Castlevania" animated series, more like an animated "Road to Castlevania" story. I honestly don't know what all the fuss was about, but I'm glad there was a fuss because it got Konami to (sort of) take notice of the IP again, however briefly.

It doesn't help that basically the only voice actor I enjoyed was Sypha's.

Up until the last 15 minutes or so, it honestly gave me repeated flashbacks to the Dante's Inferno anime film, rather than Castlevania. I even watched said movie afterwards, just to confirm that's what I was feeling.

It was.

The length of the season was also another issue, but I hear the next one is double length, so that should alleviate the pacing issues. Now that we've got (most) of the gang together (poor, poor Grant), I'm hoping Season 2 will focus on fighting more Draculas and less Evil Church Folks. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on July 22, 2018, 04:19:14 PM
I was hoping they'd finish the entirety of Dracula's Curse in Season 2, but confirmation of a Season 3 may not make that the case.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 23, 2018, 04:46:09 AM
I was hoping they'd finish the entirety of Dracula's Curse in Season 2, but confirmation of a Season 3 may not make that the case.

Why not?

There is still a very good possibility that Season 2 raps up the events of Dracula's Curse and if rumors are true it may even mix in a bit of Curse of Darkness as well.

Season 3 could end up covering the events of Symphony since the producers appear to be going fan favorite storyline route, also SOTN ties in to the events of CV3 due to Alucard so it would make sense, but honestly I would love for this to be a long running series and have them cover the storylines in order such as Adventure or CV1 and CV2 etc but I get the feeling this will not be a long running series and as such they are just going to probably do the storylines that are connected the most and those stories would probably be just CV3/CVCOD/CVSOTN/CVAOS.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 23, 2018, 08:11:26 AM
To be brutally honest, what were you hoping for?  Everything to be rushed through in a few episodes, with 1D characters with no motivation or background, no actual storytelling, and that's it?  I'd rather they take their time, give us actual characers and stories, and have something that can keep going. Castlevania has so much lore that's built up, it makes sense that they wove together parts of SotN with CVIII.  Season one, while I'd have liked more, was a prelude i many a way, it was getting the gang together. Remember that this originally started out way way back as a three part movie effectively.  To me you can see that in the structure of what that original idea evolved into.  It was also Netflix testing the water so garner the reception.I'm also very, very glad that they gave a whole episode to Dracula and Lisa's story.  Especially considering that so much of the games' lore hinges on the events of what happened, especially SotN onwards.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 24, 2018, 07:40:43 AM
Why not?

There is still a very good possibility that Season 2 raps up the events of Dracula's Curse and if rumors are true it may even mix in a bit of Curse of Darkness as well.

Season 3 could end up covering the events of Symphony since the producers appear to be going fan favorite storyline route, also SOTN ties in to the events of CV3 due to Alucard so it would make sense, but honestly I would love for this to be a long running series and have them cover the storylines in order such as Adventure or CV1 and CV2 etc but I get the feeling this will not be a long running series and as such they are just going to probably do the storylines that are connected the most and those stories would probably be just CV3/CVCOD/CVSOTN/CVAOS.

Because Trevor's voice actor is confirmed for season 3.  So its either still cv3, cod, or they're having one voice actor voice multiple Belmonts.  The last option seems unlikely to me.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 25, 2018, 04:10:20 AM
Because Trevor's voice actor is confirmed for season 3

You seem to be forgetting that Symphony featured Trevor (although VERY little) in a brief memory from Alucard and also the "Fake Trio" bosses, Trevor's VA could come back in a season 3 (should it adapt the events of SOTN) and voice the Fake Trevor who could have a bigger role in a SOTN anime adaption, my over all point is we can't discount the possibility of the CV3 Dracula's Curs events being wrapped up in season 2 and them moving on to another time period for Season 3.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on July 26, 2018, 02:04:31 PM
The CV Twitter account keeps tweeting about the incoming blood moon. I'm guessing the trailer will debut on this day/night.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 27, 2018, 11:03:49 AM
Next season's trailer is out.

https://www.facebook.com/frederatorstudios/videos/2152779048289051/ (https://www.facebook.com/frederatorstudios/videos/2152779048289051/)

Hector pretty much confirmed as hell. And it wasn't baldy. Also: Gaibon and Slogra.

(https://i.imgur.com/MauUtzI.png)

EDIT: It seems Frederator screwed up and leaked the trailer too early. The link above won't work but yes, it was posted.

EDIT2: Problem solved. (https://streamable.com/mwuw5)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: VladOfWallachia on July 27, 2018, 12:38:05 PM
Hyyype
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on July 27, 2018, 01:31:02 PM
Holy fuck, that looks fantastic.

(SPOILERS)

Dracula mentions "generals". Could the woman be Carmilla? The bold one Orlox?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 27, 2018, 02:59:11 PM
Damn it's been taken down, anyone got a reupload?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 27, 2018, 03:09:12 PM
Also saw what had to be Grant near the end.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 27, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
Here's a screen grab.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 28, 2018, 01:30:59 AM
Crap!

Thats what I get for going to work huh lol?

I've missed the trailer and from the sounds of it it was AWESOME. :-[

And I'm currently searching and can't find it anywhere, guess nobody was able to grab it before the takedown?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 28, 2018, 04:04:50 AM
The trailer is up on Netflix!  I've seen the trailer doing a couple of rounds on tumblr, but the one up on Netflix itself is the most complete, by a couple of shots.  All I can say is that it looks bloody gorgeous!  Pun completely intended.  I'm loving how the generals look.  Out of them, Hector is the only one who I can identify with certainty, but there's a possible Carmilla perhaps (with a major redesign), one redhead general looks very LoS-Simon-ish, maybe he's a werewof general?  They look really interesting.  If Isaac appears as well as Hector, it looks like he's being kept hidden for now.  Death doesn't seem to be makign an appearance either here.  The fight wth Gaibon and Slogra in the snow also makes me very very happy.  James Callis's voice to me now feels like the perfect match for Alucard without a doubt, even though I already liked him in his short appearance at the end of season 1.  All in all, roll on season 2!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 28, 2018, 04:05:00 AM
The trailer is now officially out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbb8zPQBmOw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbb8zPQBmOw)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 28, 2018, 04:13:16 AM
Ah, excellent, Plot, you just beat me to it.  I was about to edit my post to ad in the trailer link.  I am extremely hyped about this.  It's definitely feeling like further confirmation that we'll be getting a Curse of Darkness adaptation of some sort.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 28, 2018, 04:57:11 AM
Just saw it, LOVED that Trailer, you can really tell that the guys in charge actually are fans of the series with all the nods to it which really is something all studios should take note of when adapting a video game series into a movie, tv show, or anime.

Also seems I was right about my earlier point of Curse of Darkness being adapted (Hector can be seen at 1:30 in the trailer), so they could either rap up the events of both CV3 and COD in 1 go or they could have this lead into Curse of Darkness for Season 3 with Hector as the new lead. One thing I'm very interested in seeing is Hector's interaction with Alucard which is something I've wanted since I first played Curse of Darkness.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 28, 2018, 05:38:36 AM
I'm wondering who all of Dracula's Generals are. Any familiar faces/names out there?

Do love the Hector and Slogra nods! The people working on the show DO know their Castlevania!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 28, 2018, 07:55:03 AM
Just coming up again to tell you guys that there are TWO versions of the same trailer with slight differences on the internet. One was posted by Shankar (and its the same as the Youtube version) and the other is a much more juicy Netflix version.

The Youtube one you know how to find. The Netflix one is here: https://www.netflix.com/title/80095241 (https://www.netflix.com/title/80095241)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 28, 2018, 08:25:50 AM
My word... Hector is perfect.  Betting baldy is Isaac.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 28, 2018, 08:29:28 AM
Looks like we will delve into Hector's past and his betrayel, he's not just a throw away villain...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: VladOfWallachia on July 28, 2018, 10:28:39 AM
Hmmm maybe I should go back and finish CoD before season 2. Just wasn’t a fan of that game from a gameplay perspective.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on July 28, 2018, 12:58:39 PM
The gold and black female general reminds me a lot of Astarte from CVPoR.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 28, 2018, 01:53:17 PM
I'm excited, that was a very juicy trailer! I'm very surprised to see Hector in this, but still no signs of Grant anywhere....
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 28, 2018, 02:40:05 PM
Looks like we will delve into Hector's past and his betrayel, he's not just a throw away villain...

True, I've been a fan of his since Curse of Darkness, sure the gameplay was stellar in it but I loved the story and presentation of it.

I think they may be delving more into his character here because for the confirmed Season 3 they might adapt the events of Curse of Darkness with Hector becoming the lead and Trevor backing him up and as such the fans need more insight on Hector since obviously he is not a fan favorite like Alucard, Trevor, or Sypha and some fans have not even played or beaten COD.

I must say that I'm very confused by if the bald guy is Issac and if so WHY the drastic change in character?

Given how his armor is similar to Hector's it seems obvious he is a forgemaster so he must be Issac during these events but from what we have seen his over all character is NOTHING like Issac and It just strikes me as weird if he is since so far the guys in charge of the series has taken careful care to adapt things from the series as close as possible, I mean Hector Sypha, and Alucard for example look like they where ripped directly from the games.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on July 28, 2018, 07:25:19 PM
I'm guessing either A. Isaac doesn't exist here B. Baldie IS Isaac or C. Isaac is offscreen and Baldie is actually his and Hector's master in the dark arts.

I know Dracula was already their direct instructor in the games, and I'm not sure why Ellis would make an intermediate between them and Dracula, but those are the only explanations I can think of right now.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 28, 2018, 07:34:41 PM
If you watch the trailer on netflix in high def you can see that Baldy has black tattoos on his face.  I'm almost certain he's Isaac.  It doesn't bother me, characters get changed in adaptations all the time.  It might have something to do with the overly flamboyant nature of the character in the game and not wanting to put any viewers off... or it could be anything really.  Hector is good, so I'm happy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 29, 2018, 02:34:21 AM
So from this trailer we learn that Dracula wants to destroy every human on earth, right? Then what was the point of the whole: "I'll give you all one year to leave" bit from the first season?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 29, 2018, 05:52:37 AM
he never said "one year to leave", he said "one year to make your peace with your god"

the old woman was the only person he gave the option to leave to

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I'm very surprised to see Hector in this, but still no signs of Grant anywhere....

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228015168515211264/472845193146531850/unknown.png)

i'm wondering if this guy isn't actually grant and the loincloth dude leaping down isn't just someone else (since he's crying and has his hands bound, but this could easily still just be grant in the midst of capture and trying to escape or something)

now i know what you're saying, "but D9 this is one of the generals", but remember that grant was enthralled under dracula's service in CV3 before being beaten and brought around to the good side

i find myself wondering if they're going a similar route, assuming this dude is indeed grant, but i'm on the fence with this conjecture since he's clearly not in the form of a monster (though to be fair, i'm sure all these obviously human-appearance generals will have monster forms)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 29, 2018, 06:14:44 AM
I checked the dialogue and this is what Dracula said:
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I give you one year, Wallachians. You have one year to make your peace and remove any marks you have made upon the land.

Later he says:

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One year. I gave you one year to make your peace with your God. And what do you do? Celebrate the day you killed my wife. One year I gave you, while I assembled my armies. And now I bring your death. You had your chance.


Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 29, 2018, 08:24:42 AM
Come on Nagumo... he's a villain who has gone mad.  The idea that in that year he has expanded his thirst for vengeance to all mankind is incredibly easy to believe.  No comment on how well done and true to the series this is looking?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 29, 2018, 10:05:08 AM
>nagumo reaching harder than kobe sinking a slamdunk because the reach fits the narrative she wants to be real

well this certainly hasn't happened before or anything
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 29, 2018, 11:24:10 AM
No comment on how well done and true to the series this is looking?

All of Dracula's generals seem like they could potentially be intriguing characters. It's definitely an interesting choice for a CV3 adaptation. No idea how it will turn out but I'm intrigued at where this could be going.

>nagumo reaching harder than kobe sinking a slamdunk because the reach fits the narrative she wants to be real

well this certainly hasn't happened before or anything

Calm down. If you don't agree with what I'm saying, just tell me why. I'm just trying to get a conversation going.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on July 29, 2018, 12:46:49 PM
It's possible that Drac just wanted the people out of his land/country.
And then when they did that nonsense one year later, he goes from just ridding people from his land to destroying as many people in the world as he can.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: RichterB on July 29, 2018, 12:52:52 PM
General on the left looks like LoS Cornell...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Super Waffle on July 29, 2018, 12:57:51 PM
Is Maria in it yet
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: RichterB on July 29, 2018, 01:07:27 PM
I'm still salty over how they changed Sypha's background and made the Church--which is at war with Dracula, employs (even raised) Sypha, and also seeks out Trevor--into the bad guys for Season 1. What?! Some of this remixing of mythology reminds me too much of Lords of Shadow--it's shock theater with piecemeal nods. I just haven't been able to fully get on board with this adaptation yet. The Easter eggs are intriguing, but I would like more monsters and settings from the games, if nothing else. Some of this, aside from things like expanding upon Hector, feels a little generic.

And Grant should have been in here earlier; he's the guy who's at the front line fighting Dracula as a resistance fighter and could give a common person's view of Dracula much better than anyone else. Missed opportunity there that I'm not sure can be capitalized on now, given how Alucard is already on the scene. It would have been nice for Trevor to have a more gutsy underdog hero ally first.

Is Maria in it yet

Wrong time frame. She isn't born yet. But maybe you're being facetious?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on July 29, 2018, 01:23:59 PM
I'm still salty over how they changed Sypha's background and made the Church--which is at war with Dracula, employs (even raised) Sypha, and also seeks out Trevor--into the bad guys for Season 1. What?! Some of this remixing of mythology reminds me too much of Lords of Shadow--it's shock theater with piecemeal nods. I just haven't been able to fully get on board with this adaptation yet.

I came to understand more or less the thought process over this (from reading Ellis works, from knowing fiction in general, from having contact with the fanbase and knowing what the bigger sections of it thinkgs).

Basically my guess is that "good Church" is too esoteric and adding it right away risks losing the audience. Gotta appeal to the masses and, let us not kid ourselves, Castlevania's original depiction of the church is in direct conflict with what people expect from popular media. The majority of the fanbase assumed that the church was behind the witch hunts in the CV universe anyway, so the animation is just appealing to that narrative.

And don't misunderstand me, I still think Ellis didn't have the first clue what CV is about and researched the barest minimum of main points to build his narrative. Maybe he has now, but now way in hell he had when the first season was written, and he himself admited to that. But I came to understand that, if you don't want the thing with a church in it to feel preachy or to tank hard, you gotta suck on that "church authority is bad baaaad, paganism is awesome" teat, and Ellis' thing is doing exactly that. Just read anything by him and you'll see that he likes this kind of political commentary. Setting up the institution as antagonistic first would be "acknowledging" that it was no sweet flower before actually making it into the sweet flower.

But I have a hunch they will now try changing this perspective for the upcoming seasons. Maybe have the protagonists (Trevor and Sypha) change the institution from the inside, which would be cool to see. I'm very interested on those generals as the concept of them being multicultural appealed HARD to me.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: aensland on July 29, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
true to the series
It isn't.
But it's still a fun reinterpretation.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on July 29, 2018, 03:54:22 PM
The morning star whip looks so freaking cool, and I just noticed Slogra and Gaibon in the fight scene in the snow!

Where's Death at though?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 29, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
Calm down. If you don't agree with what I'm saying, just tell me why. I'm just trying to get a conversation going.

i'm perfectly calm, i said it because you have a habit of wanting this or that detail within the canon or a story to be true, and go through overconvoluted hoop-jumping and reaching to the point of driving yourself crazy trying to justify your desired narrative when occam's razor usually answers your questions from the onset

but if you insist:

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and remove any marks you have made upon the land.
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You had your chance.

neither one of these mean anything at all

we see him immediately after his kindle fire skype call declare that it'll take him a year to raise an army, meaning that his intention from the start was to kill everyone

meaning that these "outs" you're wondering if he offered the city were nothing but lip service since the outcome would be the same regardless of whether or not the "offers" were taken

he gave them a year to make peace with god, think about what they'd done, and come to terms with the fact that when the year was up he was going to kill them all

that's the long and short of it--the people were basically told to come to terms with their incoming deaths a year in advance, and nothing they did would've stopped or changed it

that's it

now if you want a more poetic or narratively less-simplistic reason, i have my own conjecture based on his interaction with the old woman

perhaps he DID offer a way out, despite his unrelenting fury in the scene with alucard strongly implying the opposite as listed above, and raised the army anyway to follow through on his threat in the event they didn't take the way out

something akin to "well i'm gonna raise a hell army, but if you can show me in a year that you can repent and make amends for the sin committed against me, maybe i won't kill you after all" or something

cue a year later, and everyone's instead treating that sin like it's carnival or some shit, so he follows through as he said he would

this is also largely what i believe to be the cause of his change from "kill wallachia" to "kill everything"-- if he can threaten humanity with unyielding and merciless genocide if they don't clean up their act, and they still carry on like nothing happened, then fuck it they all deserve to go

or, another idea, and one a bit more probable given how absolutely pissed off he is after giving the initial threat (you don't tend to genuinely offer mercy when you're that angry, after all), the "way out" of the threat was all a lie from the beginning

a ruse to give him an excuse to (essentially) gloat just before unleashing the onslaught, and justify said onslaught to himself, because he knew damn well they weren't gonna make peace or repent or any of that

he's the big bad evil villain after all, it's not like it's in his contract to be honest with his enemies

i'd lean more towards this second conjecture, as his unbridled rage as well as certain lines like "there are no innocents, not anymore" doesn't exactly paint a picture of a guy willing to show any mercy to those he wants to kill
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on July 29, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
It isn't.
But it's still a fun reinterpretation.
It's true to IGA's Castlevania. While he doesn't have a role in the series anymore, when this project was originally being drafted, IGA DID guide some of the story beats. I remember hearing Warren was annoyed how insistent IGA was in keeping various beats and events true to the IGA timeline (post-SOTN canon). Even the "war on humanity", which I recall IGA saying LoI was when Dracula declared "war on God", and Lisa's death was when he declared "war on humanity".
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 29, 2018, 09:56:18 PM
It isn't.
But it's still a fun reinterpretation.

If you are measuring it up in the strictest sense in comparison to the IGA established timeline's story and this netflix one than sure it isn't true to the series since the storyline is not adapted down to a tee from IGA's.

But If you going into this without such a mindset and looking at this with open eyes its clear that this is definitely remaining true to the over all spirit of the storyline IGA introduced to us such as how the storyline about Dracula and Lisa and how his motivation against humanity is eerily similar to the IGA storlyline as well as Alucard's over all character, look, and motivation also being ripped directly from the previous IGA storyline other major nods to the previous canon storyline with how now they are going to be adapting Curse of Darkness plotpoints with Hector seemingly looking to be ripped from the game series as well. In short the team behind this seem to be making every effort to keep this as true to the series as possible while at the same time adding new elements and expanding on previous ones to give us a more coherent and fleshed out story.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: aensland on July 29, 2018, 10:16:17 PM
It's true to IGA's Castlevania.
If you are measuring it up in the strictest sense in comparison to the IGA established timeline's story and this netflix one than sure it isn't true to the series
Oh

Further proof that this isn't true to the series, but it's a good reinterpretation of Castlevania.
Why? because people is giving their own meaning based on what they perceive of it, instead of an established canon that is written down in stone.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on July 29, 2018, 10:17:52 PM
i will say this:

in regard to a lot of season 1, i was and still am very much in the camp of "it gets so much shit wrong and way off-base, but it's still got enough base material right for me to turn my canonite brain off for a half hour and enjoy it"

the new trailer gives me the feeling that the misgivings of season 1 were indeed at least partially responsible due to either lack of knowledge or the standard "adapt to appeal to wider masses" procedure in media, and it appears from both trailer and certain connections i know that more knowledge of the series has been learnt and incorporated since season 1

i can't speak for whether this will change me to either "series great" or "series crap" since i'm currently in the middle, not until season 2 actually drops, but the trailer definitely lights up a few bulbs on the board for the former to happen
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on July 30, 2018, 01:23:34 AM
Dracula9 is going to take a break from the forum for a while.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on July 30, 2018, 01:28:05 AM
I just watched the trailer today. yeah yeah too late blah blah, real life required more of me these days.
It looks great! I love that Hector is there. hehehe.
I can't wait for October. :)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 30, 2018, 02:20:27 AM
Finally saw the new trailer and fuck now I have to go play Curse of Darkness again brb

(not exactly something I need an excuse to do -- I love that game to death. But sure, I'll take an excuse to play through again when it's offered. XD)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 30, 2018, 12:07:52 PM
This is what I have to say: I fuckin' called it (I do not apologize for being insufferably smug)

idea for Season 2: instead of the bosses from the game (like Medusa, the mummies, the water dragons, the Creature, etc) being random obstacles to get to the next stage, Dracula sends them out like assassins in the vein of Ninja Scroll and the Vampire Hunter D novels. Have them be personal captains of his forces while Death is his right hand man in the castle. Also, they're gonna have to pick one hell of a voice actor for Death.

Shocked to see Hector in the story to be honest. I thought they'd adapt him out, but I guess they're rolling story elements from CoD into the show. In retrospect Shankar is a fanboy and Ellis isn't known for halfassing, so maybe I should have seen this coming.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: affinity on July 31, 2018, 08:46:10 AM
so they add Hector but still scratch out Grant?  the writer/leader of the whole cartoon is really stupid and closed minded when it comes to Grant.  ok, so you find his last name dumb, then alter the name if you have to!  dont write out a character from the original story just because of their family name!
and if they feel a pirate is out of place in that time and place, then Grant could still be a thief! 

anyways, in CVIII, Grant is first met as a monster before becoming human afterwards, so they could still add Grant later on.   

if they don't, then the cartoon is really just a what if spinoff that is not canon and not faithful to the source material.  all because the writer/director is too incompetent to adapt one of the 4 key heroes from CVIII into the animated series.  pathetic of them.  Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust had a more intelligent and talented director and team that had a lot more hunters involved, and they had less time to tell their story in a single movie!   whereas CV has multiple episodes that are well over 6 hours long combined.      ha, if that CV cartoon director directed The Warriors movie, he would cut out 6 of the 9 gang members in the story.   

4 heroes is apparently too much for their mind to handle
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on July 31, 2018, 10:25:40 AM
so they add Hector but still scratch out Grant?  the writer/leader of the whole cartoon is really stupid and closed minded when it comes to Grant.  ok, so you find his last name dumb, then alter the name if you have to!  dont write out a character from the original story just because of their family name!
and if they feel a pirate is out of place in that time and place, then Grant could still be a thief! 

anyways, in CVIII, Grant is first met as a monster before becoming human afterwards, so they could still add Grant later on.   

if they don't, then the cartoon is really just a what if spinoff that is not canon and not faithful to the source material.  all because the writer/director is too incompetent to adapt one of the 4 key heroes from CVIII into the animated series.  pathetic of them.  Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust had a more intelligent and talented director and team that had a lot more hunters involved, and they had less time to tell their story in a single movie!   whereas CV has multiple episodes that are well over 6 hours long combined.      ha, if that CV cartoon director directed The Warriors movie, he would cut out 6 of the 9 gang members in the story.   

4 heroes is apparently too much for their mind to handle

 :rollseyes:

Um, I think you've over reacted.  Anyway, the producer has already hinted that Grant will be involved.  And Ellis mentioned years ago that Grant would show up in part 2, which in this case means season 2.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on July 31, 2018, 03:26:34 PM
:rollseyes:

Um, I think you've over reacted.  Anyway, the producer has already hinted that Grant will be involved.  And Ellis mentioned years ago that Grant would show up in part 2, which in this case means season 2.

Plus it's kind of ridiculous to claim that the production team and Ellis are disrespectful of the franchise or never researched it considering that there all sorts of Easter Eggs in the background and design and the fact that the trailer alone revealed Slogra, Gaibon, and freaking HECTOR (and they just confirmed it with official promo art https://twitter.com/kloysius/status/1024374554225979392). Yes, it takes liberties and licenses with the source material, but so does every adaptation. The worst you can say about Ellis is that he's irreverent, he's not a fanboy (which has been his longstanding modus operandi even with superhero comics), but because of that he's able to approach the material differently and be critical of some stuff a fan would ignore. Plus reworking some things keeps long time fans surprised and offers a fresh interpretation on old material. If you're just going to copy-paste something then what's the point of adapting it in the first place?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 31, 2018, 11:41:27 PM
If you're just going to copy-paste something then what's the point of adapting it in the first place?

In the case of something like Death of Superman, faithful is better because it makes the story more presentable to people who aren't fans of the original storytelling medium.

In the case of Castlevania though, I agree wholeheartedly with your point and have often expressed similar sentiments. Not many people seem to be watching it who weren't already connected to the franchise in some way -- almost every single viewer seems to be either a fan of the existing Castlevania franchise, or a friend of said fans. The latter seem to view it as a decent place to step aboard (and it is; it even starts essentially at the beginning of the story!) but are nonetheless "familiar enough" with it.

So, given that basically every viewer possesses at the very least a cursory knowledge of the original material, Ellis has my fullest blessing to express a bit of artistic license. He gets to feel like his talents are used properly rather than as a very highly paid photocopier, and we get some twists and turns that keep things a little more interesting. It's a win-win in my opinion.

As long as he sticks to the major story beats like he's been doing, I really don't mind some changes elsewhere, even hefty ones.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on August 01, 2018, 12:04:22 AM
Plus it's kind of ridiculous to claim that the production team and Ellis are disrespectful of the franchise or never researched it

Considering I'm one who made claims like this, let me sweep in and stand by my claim: I said ELLIS didn't, not the "production team". After the first season was released I was able to spot multiple times (and you know from Twitter I did) that the visual artists know very damn well their Castlevania.

But, dude. I'm not inventing what I said about Ellis. Ellis admited to have never even seen the games in his entire life. (https://i.imgur.com/jtoFI2i.png) Will you say it's a "ridiculous claim" when the dude said it himself? Any other writer would get shat on right away for doing something like this, writing for a franchise without knowing the MAIN focus of the franchise. But for some reason, Ellis gets a pass. Minimal research about a Castlevania video game is sitting down to play it or watch someone play it, but Ellis couldn't do even that if this interview is to be believed.

These Easter Eggs and references and visual themes and designs and atmosphere you pointed out, who do you think is doing this? Ellis?

Now, a year after its release, I got to actually enjoy the show quite a bit more. But I won't just up and forget things Ellis did and said in the past regarding this project. I still think the writing could be much better had he sat down to play the goddamn thing he's writing for.

And I'll reiterate: The others involved with this have continuously displayed knowledge of the franchise over and over. The only thing I dislike is the Castle design, the rest is just perfect. Ellis? Dude had IGA in front of him and didn't know Grant wasn't meant to be a pirate. Didn't know candles are supposed to be the souls of the dead, a random commenter had to inform him. Amongst other things. Your point about not being a fanboy and not letting love muddle your vision to properly adapt the material I agree in full with, but you don't need to be a "fanboy" to merely sit down and play the game or getting a freaking manual translated to you.

PS: I'm stoked for the second season and, as I said before, I do believe Ellis has done much better now just by the trailer. I saw obscure shit getting referenced that can't work just visually, it had to be WRITTEN in there, something that renews my faith in Ellis. I can't wait to see it!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 01, 2018, 02:14:04 AM
I think I saw Grant in a blink or miss moment in the trailer (the guy with 2 daggers). Unless I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on August 01, 2018, 04:50:53 AM
Despite Grant being most likely in, I wonder if he's going to be part of the core group of protagonists.  The reason I'm wondering is because he isn't mentioned in the prophecy. Ellis could simply ignore this of course (something I wouldn't put it past him). Also, there's no scene in the trailer where he's seen fighting with the rest of the group. It wouldn't surprise me is Grant if just going to play a secondary role and maybe even gets killed off. Perhaps he won't even interact with the main characters at all. Call me cynical, but I could also imagine his presence is primarily going to be used to generate hype. Grant's appearance in MoF was also heavily teased by Cox for the sake of hyping up the fan base and he's just a generic looking corpse in that game.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on August 01, 2018, 01:05:16 PM
In the case of something like Death of Superman, faithful is better because it makes the story more presentable to people who aren't fans of the original storytelling medium.

In the case of Castlevania though, I agree wholeheartedly with your point and have often expressed similar sentiments. Not many people seem to be watching it who weren't already connected to the franchise in some way -- almost every single viewer seems to be either a fan of the existing Castlevania franchise, or a friend of said fans. The latter seem to view it as a decent place to step aboard (and it is; it even starts essentially at the beginning of the story!) but are nonetheless "familiar enough" with it.

So, given that basically every viewer possesses at the very least a cursory knowledge of the original material, Ellis has my fullest blessing to express a bit of artistic license. He gets to feel like his talents are used properly rather than as a very highly paid photocopier, and we get some twists and turns that keep things a little more interesting. It's a win-win in my opinion.

As long as he sticks to the major story beats like he's been doing, I really don't mind some changes elsewhere, even hefty ones.

Plus there's just the problem of the vast gulf in how the mediums are experience. A comic book to film adaptation can be pretty faithful due to both being visual mediums that are primarily storytelling mediums. A video game, especially one like Castlevania that wasn't very narrative-focused until arguably Rondo of Blood and even then the plots always took a backseat to the raw gameplay. CVIII was not a story-based game; it had lore, it had a setting, but it wasn't a narrative. Ellis giving more story to everyone and the setting worked beautifully, like with us actually seeing Lisa's death after establishing her relationship with Dracula, Trevor's bitterness over his family's exile, Sypha and the Speakers' persecution (similar to persecutions the Romani face to the present day), and of course the corruption of the church and the mania of witch hunts during the time period. It works well and gives some added weight to the story and creates a richer world because of it.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 05, 2018, 10:35:11 AM
What would be cool, is if Grant is corrupted and remains a 'boss' type of thing, but interacts with the 2nd wave of characters.
That is, with Hector, Isaac, and others.

Then when he is reverted back into a human somehow, he still remembers Hector and stuff.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on August 05, 2018, 08:58:07 PM
More promo art, this time of Dracula with the family:

https://twitter.com/NXOnNetflix/status/1026186066317832192
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on August 05, 2018, 09:08:13 PM
That's a nice image! But Alucard's hair is the wrong colour.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 05, 2018, 11:24:32 PM
I love the picture! Baby Al! Squeee~♪ :-*
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on August 06, 2018, 01:29:24 AM
I love the picture! Baby Al! Squeee~♪ :-*

My question is this: who in-universe painted that? Does Dracula have demon artists at his beck and call? Did he ask Carmilla to get her brushes out and do the family portrait?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on August 06, 2018, 02:04:50 AM
I could be a self portrait.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on August 06, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
Alucard has taken over the Castlevania Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/Castlevania
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on August 06, 2018, 07:25:38 PM
is that Lisa's nipple?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on August 06, 2018, 09:11:03 PM
Well her dress is semi-transparent so..?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on August 15, 2018, 05:35:34 AM
Confirmed.   Lady vampire in the trailer is Carmilla.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 15, 2018, 08:15:13 AM
Confirmed.   Lady vampire in the trailer is Carmilla.
There's three lady vampire sin that trailer. You mean the blonde one?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 15, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
There's three lady vampire sin that trailer. You mean the blonde one?

Obviously they're all Carmilla.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracul_Belmont on August 19, 2018, 11:02:21 PM
Slogra and Gaibon are shown in the season 2 trailer
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on August 20, 2018, 06:34:15 AM
you are very late
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on August 27, 2018, 07:13:47 PM
Redhead vampire called Godbrand
https://twitter.com/seewhatsnext/status/1034212900385112064
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on August 27, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
A vampire with ties to norse mythos.

I know two Dungeonites who will go ballistic over this.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on August 28, 2018, 12:02:43 AM
Redhead vampire called Godbrand
https://twitter.com/seewhatsnext/status/1034212900385112064

Voiced by Peter Stormare aka the smartest guy in John Wick Chapter 2.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on August 30, 2018, 06:17:47 AM
New poster revealed, it references the japanese dracula's curse cover.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 31, 2018, 04:45:27 PM
Redhead vampire called Godbrand
https://twitter.com/seewhatsnext/status/1034212900385112064
Thank god(brand) its not Cornell. Leave the LoS Cornell in the LoS universe. Classic Cornell's a prettyboy and lives in the 1800s!

Nice to see Stormare as a VA!! I liked his Lucifer in the Constantine movie.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on August 31, 2018, 05:46:38 PM
i wonder if the chinese vampiress will be Da Ji. I know she's a whole different kind of demon but still
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 01, 2018, 12:13:40 AM
i wonder if the chinese vampiress will be Da Ji. I know she's a whole different kind of demon but still

OH! That would be lovely!
Da Ji was a fox spirit, but I'm fine if she's a vampiress.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on September 01, 2018, 04:17:47 AM
i wonder if the chinese vampiress will be Da Ji. I know she's a whole different kind of demon but still

if it's the one i'm thinking of, it does only show her from the neck up

unlikely as all hell, but a penanggalan would definitely fit in the regional context of asia
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on September 02, 2018, 04:17:36 AM
Now that I think about it, that poster might lend some more credence to my theory about Grant having a significantly reduced role. If he was part of the team, you just know they would have milked that for fanservice points.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on September 02, 2018, 07:49:00 PM
Now that I think about it, that poster might lend some more credence to my theory about Grant having a significantly reduced role. If he was part of the team, you just know they would have milked that for fanservice points.
Regardless of what they are doing with Grant they certainly want to keep it under wraps until the series drops or some big reveal.  Adi Shankar in particular is loving fan anxiety over this.  I doubt he would just show up on a random poster reveal.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on September 02, 2018, 08:20:02 PM
I have never ever understood this incredibly strong desire to see Grant show up.

I get the desire to have the whole team together from a completionist's standpoint, but really, it's not like his absence has ever been keenly felt before. He's the single least frequently chosen playable character in Castlevania 3 by most numbers I've seen. To me, it's odd that most players opt for Sypha or Alucard as the backup to Trevor, but when an adaptation or a reference gets made, everyone seems to angst over the missing Land Pirate Spider-man.

Who, by the way, of the four has the least speaking lines across the entire series. I mean, until Judgment came along, he basically had his 3 or 4 lines in Castlevania 3 and that was really... all they wrote. Ever. And then his lines in Judgment were horrible. He has never been a compelling character because he's essentially never stuck around long enough to become one, and when finally given the opportunity to become one, didn't even get far enough to flub at the finish line.

I angsted more about Hammer not being playable in Dawn's Julius Mode than I've ever gone "whatever shall we do without Land Pirate Spider-man?".

I guess I just don't get Grant's obvious charismatic machismo and eight-pack-abs sex appeal.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 02, 2018, 10:08:40 PM
He's the single least frequently chosen playable character in Castlevania 3 by most numbers I've seen.

Yes, let's pull statistics out of our asses.  That'll sure help the argument.

It's not about least picked or least popular.  It's about the fact that he existed and was part of the game and now isn't mentioned at all, without an actual reason.  I suppose it'd be the same if they made he series and didn't add Sypha or Alucard.  It'd just be weird, regardless or how popular or unpopular they were.

I'm going to ignore the part you said about macho and abs because I think you're being silly. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on September 03, 2018, 11:05:21 AM
I'm going to ignore the part you said about macho and abs because I think you're being silly.

Because I was. ;)

Yes, let's pull statistics out of our asses.  That'll sure help the argument.

To be fair I haven't exactly gone looking for this kind of data -- there's no way I care about Grant that much to subject myself to that kind of homework. But going all the way back to my early days on the Castlevania Anti-Chapel forums, I can't ever recall Grant being popular or even talked about all that much until they made the animated series. And the reason I bring that up is because it represents, to me at least, a discrepancy.

Here's a character fans were largely happy to forget until very suddenly, they weren't.

And I don't get it.

I suppose it'd be the same if they made he series and didn't add Sypha or Alucard.

But this is measurably not the case.

Sypha and Alucard have huge effects on the post-game story. Sypha goes off with Trevor and continues the Belmont and Belnades lineage -- essentially none of the post-Trevor Belmonts exist without her, and depending on exact lineage, Yoko might not either. Alucard later reawakens in Symphony of the Night and becomes a major mover and shaker of the plot. These characters are hugely important -- there's a distinct "before" and "after" in the chronology with them, and cutting either of them produces massive internal inconsistencies in the plot of the series.

Grant... kind of vanishes. Neither he or his descendants really have any major role to play after 1476. Maybe the plots of a light novel here or there could possibly be affected, but nothing in the main series changes with or without him. I mean, the only time he's even referenced in dialog is when Trevor comments to Hector that, yes he killed Dracula "but I did not do so alone." That's not exactly the legacy of a super-important character.

So cutting him is not really the same as cutting Sypha or Alucard.

I definitely hope to see him too, or at least his boss fight and resultant healing from Dracula's Curse, but I think the idea of

Regardless of what they are doing with Grant they certainly want to keep it under wraps until the series drops or some big reveal.

really just isn't actually the case. I think Grant's overall role has simply been reduced to the lowest amount permissible under canon to achieve focus balance between the main characters because Season 2 is still rather short at only 4-ish hours and we already have three protagonists. If the series has any plans to show what Hector was doing in this period in detail (and let's be fully honest, it very well may not), that would push things to 3 main protagonists and 1 secondary protagonist in four hours of runtime without Grant being there, and already we begin losing the gift of pacing and focus. So I can't imagine Warren Ellis putting any more focus on Grant than is strictly required.

Which is a shame, but again, Grant is kind of the illegitimate son of Castlevania 3 -- he's there and should be acknowledged, but he's gonna be left out of the family pedigree the moment push comes to shove.

And I still don't understand all this anticipatory squirming of "OOH I WONDER WHY THEY'RE KEEPING GRANT SECRET?!"
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on September 03, 2018, 01:57:50 PM
Quote
Grant... kind of vanishes.

Not really. His after-story in CVIII has him helping with the recovery effort of the people who were devastated by Dracula's forces. While there is nothing for him in the latter games he is nontheless doing his part post CVIII. His main deal is revenge against Dracula for the death of his family and cursing him into a monstrous abomination, but after that is all said and done what does he do? He helps the people who have suffered against Dracula's Iron fist. Grant's story is no-less important then Alucard's, Sypha's, and Trevor's. It just seems that way because we don't hear from him after the game.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 03, 2018, 02:14:02 PM
It also seems that way because he doesn't have a lineage of descendants to speak of.
Although I did hear rumors that Hammer was going to be 1. playable in Julius mode (he has assets that later were found and used for Serio's game), and 2. a descendant of Grant's (though this one may have just been fan theory stuff).

Sypha didn't have any 'story' at all until it was dropped that Carrie was her descendant, and later when it's mentioned in passing that Juste has inherited some abilities from the merged ancestry of Belmont/Belnades , and later when AoS came out that Yoko had her last name.  If it weren't for these games, her role in CV mythos would have been even smaller than Grant's.  CVIII ends, Trevor puts his arms around her.  The end.

Alucard would have had even less had it not been for SotN.  They clear the game, he... mopes?  And that's it.

Grant actually does something.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on September 03, 2018, 02:18:21 PM
Ironically, Grant becoming a national hero suggest he became more famous than the rest of the CV3 cast because he is remembered as a hero by both normal human society and the hidden magical society that knows the truth about Dracula.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 03, 2018, 03:12:49 PM
It's funny because in our universe, the Draculesti clan of Vlad II and Vlad III were in a struggle against the Danesti clan.
The Danesti are in our record books (Dan I, Dan II, Basarab, etc.).  Belnades are not.  Neither is a certain Adrian Fahrentheights fellow.

Basarab II, the last Danesti descendant that would take the throne, would be buried alive by Vlad Dracula III.  AKA Vlad Tepes.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on September 03, 2018, 03:52:31 PM
Grant is a regular dude who took up arms against Dracula as a freedom fighting militia leader after his family was slaughtered by Dracula's army.  We love him because he has an absolutely badass history and character.  He's probably the grittiest playable character in the series.  Even his ridiculously tiny Mirror of Fate cameo was badass.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on September 03, 2018, 07:09:15 PM
i think the idea that his popularity or lack of justifies him getting lowkey disowned is fucking stupid.

that being said, given how it seems that Hector is gonna take the supporting cast spotlight, i expect in the BEST scenario Grant being this season's last "boss" (and that's if Carmilla doesn't bite it), hopefully he'll get the spotlight in S3

And honestly, if his last name bothers them so much, use Danesti or don't mention it
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on September 04, 2018, 01:24:27 AM



Sypha and Alucard have huge effects on the post-game story. Sypha goes off with Trevor and continues the Belmont and Belnades lineage -- essentially none of the post-Trevor Belmonts exist without her, and depending on exact lineage, Yoko might not either. Alucard later reawakens in Symphony of the Night and becomes a major mover and shaker of the plot. These characters are hugely important -- there's a distinct "before" and "after" in the chronology with them, and cutting either of them produces massive internal inconsistencies in the plot of the series.


Sorry Jorge but I'm going to have to agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.

There really is no equating the roles of Alucard and Sypha vs Grant in the slightest as in saying it would be the same removing Alucard and Sypha as removing Grant since the narrative of the series as a whole changes into something completely different with those 2 in comparison to Grant.

True enough the immediate aftermath as well as the rebuilding of Wallachia and Grant being known as a hero does give him importance but nothing nearly as lasting as Syhpa and Alucard.

Sypha's blood mixing with future generations of Belmonts is obviously tied to the gradual growth of the power of the family in later years which is very evident in Juste and by extension Richter who is not that far down the line from Juste (possibly son or grandson) as well as her future Bloodline being carried on within the Belnades Clan who helps the belmont family many years after CV3 and continued to do so all the way up until the final battle with Dracula and even beyond that within the Sorrow series.

Alucard went on to of course play a big role in the series during the events of Symphony of the Night and had he not the belmont line could have ended with Richter who was evil and thus doomed humanity, and lets not forget his efforts later in the series with making the Alucard spear, having a hand in stopping his father for good in the demon Castle wars, and lastly aiding Soma and steering him on the right path during the Sorrow games.

My point is that these 2 went on to have a LASTING effect on the post CV3 continuity and as such they are obviously more important to the narrative than Grant there really legit is no disputing this in my opinion.

All that being said I agree that Grant DEFINITELY should be in the Netflix series since while his story isn't that important to events later in the series they are VERY important to those events during it and leaving him out would not be the right move.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on September 13, 2018, 06:59:18 PM
Sypha has taken over the Castlevania Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Castlevania
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on September 21, 2018, 04:22:17 PM
They posted most of the snow fight scene on twitter!

https://twitter.com/Castlevania/status/1042867207930142721
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 22, 2018, 01:59:25 AM
Nice fight scene!
I can't wait for the series to start.  ;D
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 26, 2018, 02:52:24 PM
interesting how they’re showing sotn battles during dracula’s curse times.  makes me wonder if they’ll get to the actual sotn story, or maybe they’re hedging their bets in case they’re not able to get to it, in which case, it’s appreciated.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 29, 2018, 07:36:37 AM
Slogra and Gaibon were in Super Castlevania IV, so they're not native to only SotN.
They're also in Dawn of Sorrow.
And ancient skeletons of both of them can be found in the Condemned Tower Underground (Mine of Judgment), so they've been around for a very, very long time, it seems.
So placing them in Dracula's Curse time isn't out of place.  I hope if/when they put out Pazuzu, he's bigger than them both.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on September 29, 2018, 08:21:45 AM
Slogra and Gaibon were in Super Castlevania IV, so they're not native to only SotN.
They're also in Dawn of Sorrow.
And ancient skeletons of both of them can be found in the Condemned Tower Underground (Mine of Judgment), so they've been around for a very, very long time, it seems.
So placing them in Dracula's Curse time isn't out of place.  I hope if/when they put out Pazuzu, he's bigger than them both.

They were in Curse of Darkness too.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 29, 2018, 09:19:35 AM
lol I wouldn't know, but I'll take your word for it.
I only know that game's music, not its longastic stages (except for the first one haha).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 29, 2018, 01:23:29 PM
i consider this animation to be primarily a cv iii and sotn reference, so i’m not expecting boss battles outside these two games to be depicted.  plus gaibon carrying slogra was first done in sotn, so it’s a sotn battle to me.  probabably happens in the beginning of the journey like in sotn instead of the end like in cv iv.  of course it took place in a snowfield instead of the castle, so it’s also its own thing.

hmm, we’ve also hot some curse of darkness (hector), lords of shadows (crest and maybe combat cross in next season, or maybe that was just smash bros, i forget haha), and a possible carmilla reference (not sure which vampiress she was so i’d have to look at her design before deciding which game she’s a reference to).  any other games referenced that i’m missing? 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on September 29, 2018, 01:37:26 PM
there are three vampiresses, an european looking one, an indian one and a eastern asian one AND YOU STILL ARE CONFUSED ABOUT WHICH ONE IS CARMILLA?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on September 30, 2018, 07:13:08 AM
I'm thinking the "Indian" vampire is actually egyptian, and very likely the boss Astarte from Portrait of Ruin.  I think it is very obvious that the people in charge of this are huge fans of the series.  At this point I expect several more familiar monsters,  and possibly even a small reference to Leon, even if just a name drop.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 01, 2018, 02:05:52 PM
Oo Astarte would be awesome!  Even if they changed her to a vampire in order to be a part of the Vampire War Council.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on October 01, 2018, 04:57:59 PM
I doubt it, she is wearing a sari. In fact i don't want it. I hope she is named Chedipe, since that's basically the indian vampire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chedipe

Although any of these would work too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetala
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pichal_Peri

I hope they dont go basic and call her Kali
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on October 02, 2018, 12:48:34 PM
This just in. We now know who baldy is.

(https://i.imgur.com/rvpULId.png)

Beyond that, the Hector bio given by the little animation makes prominent mention of Hector being a necromancer, though they still call him "Devil Forgemaster".
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on October 02, 2018, 01:51:23 PM
Called it.  The black tattoos gave it away.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on October 02, 2018, 02:29:13 PM
Called it.  The black tattoos gave it away.

I am surprised they did that drastic of a redesign for Isaac. Whatever, I have no doubt they'll do wonders with them
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on October 02, 2018, 05:08:53 PM
Going through the five stages of grief now. I did want my flamboyant flame-haired Devil Forgemaster. But in the end, I'm still looking forward to it.

Come to think of it, that guy we think is Grant in the trailer? That might actually be Isaac in some flashback. It looks like him.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on October 02, 2018, 10:25:50 PM
I prefer the original Isaac tbh. Maybe  they want to avoid the SJW storm (well if they remove his personality) or maybe they just couldnt think a way to actually add black people to drac's ranks
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on October 03, 2018, 05:18:07 AM
SJW storm
Oh no... you're one of those  :'(
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on October 03, 2018, 08:44:39 AM
Oh no... you're one of those  :'(

They've unfortunately been here since Castlevania dare state the obvious facts of various sects of the church being assholes.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on October 03, 2018, 08:58:51 AM
Wow, I am digging this redesign of Isaac to be honest. It's more pleasant to look at than his design in Curse of Darkness.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on October 03, 2018, 09:45:43 AM
I never cared for Issac's look in CoD. Too prettyboy-ish, and too clown-ish with all that makeup.  :P  It was never a good fit for CV. Whoever did the redesign probably wasn't a fan of the original either, however the redesign looks much better.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: VladOfWallachia on October 03, 2018, 10:14:33 AM
I never cared for Issac's look in CoD. Too prettyboy-ish, and too clown-ish with all that makeup.  :P  It was never a good fit for CV. Whoever did the redesign probably wasn't a fan of the original either, however the redesign looks much better.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on October 03, 2018, 01:05:25 PM
Wow, I am digging this redesign of Isaac to be honest. It's more pleasant to look at than his design in Curse of Darkness.
Yeah, I guess, but all they had to do was give him a shirt and maybe tone down his makeup.
Not completely rid him of any hair and change his race.
But whatever, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that they'll get his personality right.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on October 03, 2018, 02:36:10 PM
They've unfortunately been here since Castlevania dare state the obvious facts of various sects of the church being assholes.

Stop taking jabs at people just because they don't see the Netflix show as the second coming of Christ and actually think it has flaws. You're being very annoying. Cut it out or you're going to catch a ban.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: SecretWeapon on October 03, 2018, 04:48:26 PM
Oh no... you're one of those  :'(

Well you aparently only read SJW, felt offended and ignored the rest so i suppose you're one of those. Time to search the block function

They've unfortunately been here since Castlevania dare state the obvious facts of various sects of the church being assholes.

I actually defended that choice here iirc
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 09, 2018, 08:27:23 AM
Looks like Dracula is having a blood drive:

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/10/09/netflix-partners-up-with-the-red-cross-for-castlevania-season-2/
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: KaZudra on October 10, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
Looks like Dracula is having a blood drive:

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/10/09/netflix-partners-up-with-the-red-cross-for-castlevania-season-2/

Holy fuck that Dracula face is hilariously sincere.

It's like he's done giving an intense speech on his crusade to genocide all humanity, then turns to the camera and tells the audience how blood can save lives in a Bob Ross voice.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 22, 2018, 10:50:44 AM
Ack I’ve read enough “spoiler free” reviews to feel as if i’ve already watched the season, or at least understand its gist and tone.  The return of devil forgery to the mythos and hector and isaac is making me want to replay Curse of Darkness.  Maybe they’ll rerelease it next halloween with season 3.  I can always play loi on ps3, but don’t really want to lug out my ps2 to play CoD.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 25, 2018, 11:47:40 AM
Thoughts from Adi and Warren

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/2018/10/25/castlevania-anime-season-2-interview-adi-shankar/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/2018/10/25/castlevania-anime-season-2-interview-adi-shankar/)

https://deadentertainment.com/2018/10/23/warren-ellis-talks-season-2-of-the-castlevania-netflix-series/ (https://deadentertainment.com/2018/10/23/warren-ellis-talks-season-2-of-the-castlevania-netflix-series/)

I love how Adi was had no idea how huge Castlevania was.  It’s a great fandom to be a part of, widespread, but not mainstream.

Just rewatched episode 4 of season 1 - I’m all set for the new episodes tomorrow.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 25, 2018, 10:35:58 PM
Scene spoiler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_W9K42GcSM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_W9K42GcSM)

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Edit: On a more serious note, I'll repost this thing I wrote elsewhere on the subject of Isaac's design change:

"I’m not bothered by the change per se, but… wouldn’t that mean Julia is black, too, unless they were siblings by adoption and not by blood?  And I guess Rosaly would have to be black as well because she is supposed to look like Julia?  This seems like a bit of an odd choice to me, just because it would change multiple characters.  Why didn’t they just make a new character who happens to be black instead of changing the race of a pre-existing character?  And Isaac, of all characters, the axe-crazy flamboyant villain who kisses you as he stabs you? … This is gonna get some backlash, I expect…

I suddenly realized that by making Isaac black, one could make an argument that the story of CoD is racially charged in multiple respects, considering what happens to Rosaly and then how Isaac appears to be more susceptible to certain influences than Hector… of course, Rosaly and Julia might not be included in the story at all, but that seems like a wasted opportunity to me..."
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 25, 2018, 10:55:28 PM
Interesting observation!  They’ll probably just skip CoD altogether and avoid these issues.  On the other hand, maybe we’ll get to see a black dracula (can’t help but think of Blackula.)

It would also be a shame if they never introduced Angela haha.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 26, 2018, 02:06:46 AM
important announcement

zombie puppy is the best character in castlevania

that is all
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on October 26, 2018, 02:43:40 AM
important announcement

zombie puppy is the best character in castlevania

that is all
Yes he is.
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 26, 2018, 02:52:10 AM
Yes he is.
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calm down man this isn't a porn series
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on October 26, 2018, 03:47:31 AM
Two words:

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I'll make more comprehensive thoughts later, but right now it continues the high water mark the first season set.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 26, 2018, 05:06:27 AM
the first season was highwater? ahahahahahaha

y'know i will say though that a great deal of things were considerably improved over season 1, in just as many respects

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on October 26, 2018, 05:23:01 AM
I'm sat here in a mix of emotions.  There were bits I adored, and parts that I wasn't so sure about the reasoning for.  I thought once again that more episodes could have been done with.  I also think I need more time, and a rewath, to process my thoughts.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 26, 2018, 05:50:16 AM
Like the first season, there are things I really liked and things I really disliked about it.  The thing that sticks out to me most is this:
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I will probably have to watch it a few more times in order to fully take it in.  I appreciated the references they made (and I caught a lot of them though I might have overlooked a couple), though I think they could have pushed it even further but that may just be me being greedy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 26, 2018, 05:52:22 AM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on October 26, 2018, 05:56:52 AM
I'd agree with you a LOT on this, Gaawa.  The big character change I didn't understand at all, it felt cliche, and rather distasteful to me, souring the bits I did love.  I also agree that it felt off off the pacing in many ways.  I wanted more of some characters doing stuff and then bam!  Big chunk of stuff that could have been taken time over and done more with got skipped through too quickly.  I hated Godbrand as a character, he ate up screen time from characters I'd have rather have spent more time with.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 26, 2018, 06:03:41 AM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 26, 2018, 06:24:27 AM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 26, 2018, 06:39:27 AM
(https://d3qvqlc701gzhm.cloudfront.net/thumbs/e764b66b548fa46d495b09b5af92f3b82140828209f70da8fcd968e1f11da985-250.jpg) (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectraresearch.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F02%2FWebinar-1.png&hash=15c955c0cf5d871459cf13944b744ec7) (https://hw.menardc.com/main/items/media/AMERI047/ProductMedium/033056752593.jpg)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 26, 2018, 06:59:13 AM
(https://thymindoman.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/kingdom-of-god-viktor-mikhaylovich-vasnetsov-e1508195038362.jpg?w=256&h=256&crop=1)(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlvNjg5H6LQMqkMvD_9-0jbl8TxcUpcsWOi1KOK2ITtAD4zPIgww)(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2903247453/919f90ebab802e6cbbb260e937b5c16d.jpeg)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on October 26, 2018, 07:17:05 AM
I was incredibly disapounted in the last two episodes.  Everything leading up to them was exceptional, but that ending was such a terrible let down and just took the story and threw it out the window.   I don't see how it could possibly go in a similar direction to how it's supposed to.  Big changes with big implications on the world.  I am let down.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 26, 2018, 07:18:45 AM
Also, I feel like I didn't put enough emphasis on it, so...
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on October 26, 2018, 07:27:50 AM
Also, I feel like I didn't put enough emphasis on it, so...
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A million times this.  It seems like they got rushed through the end, like maybe they had planned to finish it off in another season but for some reason had to wrap it up early.

I really hope season 3 gives us a fake out and...
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But it looks like it will likely be a very different take on Curse of Darkness
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 26, 2018, 07:36:42 AM
(https://thymindoman.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/kingdom-of-god-viktor-mikhaylovich-vasnetsov-e1508195038362.jpg?w=256&h=256&crop=1)(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlvNjg5H6LQMqkMvD_9-0jbl8TxcUpcsWOi1KOK2ITtAD4zPIgww)(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2903247453/919f90ebab802e6cbbb260e937b5c16d.jpeg)

actual belly laughs

bra-fucking-vo, friend
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 26, 2018, 07:52:03 AM
Ah, I'm gonna watch it again now that my sister's awake.  Later.

Edit: Okay, watched episodes 3-8 again.

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I know this probably makes it sound like I hated it but I don't; I quite enjoyed it, all things considered.  It could have been much better, but what we got was still decent and there are some sequences that are outright excellent.  I suspect that, just like with the first season, many of my issues with S2 come from time constraints, both due to run time and due to wasting screen time on superfluous stuff that no one cares about.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on October 26, 2018, 11:55:16 AM
I have a lot of thoughts going through my head, so I won't write them all down at once. I'll start with the positives:

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Zetheraxza on October 26, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
Overall impression is that I like how it is expanded Dracula's curse. There is A LOT of world building in the show which is great but the downside to stories like this is that it drags on and feels like a filler at times. I suppose I can talk about the things I did like, as well. I don't really have many negatives.

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My overall gripe is that I expected more but either ways, I'm glad. They still did Castlevania some justice and I'll give them props for it.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on October 26, 2018, 04:51:26 PM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 26, 2018, 06:02:44 PM
I thought it was all fantastic, just wanted to ask how much did IGA have to do with this? did he work on the story or was he just a supervisor?

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on October 26, 2018, 06:59:33 PM
I thought it was all fantastic, just wanted to ask how much did IGA have to do with this? did he work on the story or was he just a supervisor?

He was a consultant in the first season. He had nothing to do with season 2.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 26, 2018, 08:11:16 PM
Ahh thank you, I wondered if something like that was the case

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: GuyStarwind on October 26, 2018, 09:18:06 PM
My quick thoughts

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 26, 2018, 11:43:05 PM
As much as I loved this season I have to say It stuck out like a sore thumb that they seem to have confused the mechanics of what a Devil Forgemaster is within the canon, pretty much Hector and Issac in this series are necromancers from everything I saw.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 27, 2018, 12:06:32 AM
Hey guys... my sister and I made a new meme...
https://imgur.com/a/AaLbjUF

Raw version:
https://imgur.com/a/qTKWYuY


As much as I loved this season I have to say It stuck out like a sore thumb that they seem to have confused the mechanics of what a Devil Forgemaster is within the canon, pretty much Hector and Issac in this series are necromancers from everything I saw.

Yeah, that was odd.  They were golem animators.  I suppose one could argue that they were basically making flesh golems, but I think they just didn't do enough research on the game; we even get to see the process of devil forging in the video game, so they don't really have any excuse.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Zetheraxza on October 27, 2018, 01:00:05 AM
You know, creative liberties are a thing. There is a reason why they'll always say "Based on *Insert Franchise Here*". That is why they'll have original characters shoehorned with some new changes to pre existing characters like Isaac and some canon like changes. While yes, this is basically Dracula's Curse, one can say it's just one big inspiration to create it's own stand alone story/timeline. Not to mention it isn't really easy to adapt a video game into a movie or series because it doesn't translate well in screenplay.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 27, 2018, 01:16:02 AM
You know, creative liberties are a thing. There is a reason why they'll always say "Based on *Insert Franchise Here*". That is why they'll have original characters shoehorned with some new changes to pre existing characters like Isaac and some canon like changes.

Sorry but I'm not going to buy into the whole "creative liberties" excuse when we have so many obvious references to the previous canon within this series, there is legit no good reason to call them Devil Forgemasters and not expect us as fans to want them to actually BE Devil Forgemasters, as I said earlier they are pretty much necromancers here and should have been called such honestly even if it would have been weird to have Hector and Issac called that but pretty much they ARE Necromancers here and all but name.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 27, 2018, 07:11:03 AM
You know, creative liberties are a thing. There is a reason why they'll always say "Based on *Insert Franchise Here*". That is why they'll have original characters shoehorned with some new changes to pre existing characters like Isaac and some canon like changes. While yes, this is basically Dracula's Curse, one can say it's just one big inspiration to create it's own stand alone story/timeline. Not to mention it isn't really easy to adapt a video game into a movie or series because it doesn't translate well in screenplay.

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 27, 2018, 07:47:31 AM
Observation about the final fight of the season:
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Sindra on October 27, 2018, 08:47:24 AM
My two cents:

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: gallandryal on October 27, 2018, 11:02:42 AM

In season 3 It seems Hector will betray Carmilla,  meet Rosaly and join forces with Trevor and Sypha. Alucard will also help because he needs a closure. Also I'm still waiting for Grant to appear in next season.  Then hopefully the show will move to Simon's story or Rondo.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on October 27, 2018, 11:38:56 AM
Hey guys! Help me make a difference!
We need to reach Konami!

https://www.change.org/p/netflix-replace-the-belmont-s-iconic-whip-with-a-wooden-bedpost (https://www.change.org/p/netflix-replace-the-belmont-s-iconic-whip-with-a-wooden-bedpost)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: GuyStarwind on October 27, 2018, 11:42:30 AM
My two cents:

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 27, 2018, 12:34:21 PM
Hey guys! Help me make a difference!
We need to reach Konami!

https://www.change.org/p/netflix-replace-the-belmont-s-iconic-whip-with-a-wooden-bedpost (https://www.change.org/p/netflix-replace-the-belmont-s-iconic-whip-with-a-wooden-bedpost)

Lets not abuse change. org, its for real things not for you to play about with, like people who are dyeing or soldiers who are being miss treated, you know Serious stuff. Not for some little git, to vent his childish frustration, cos little baby didn't feel like the tv show was enough to his sad pathetic  taste. I mean as a human being i'm shocked that you actually did this. really this should get you a instant ban from here, as this is a sick act.
 

and I really have to challenge  your fandom, as any real Belmont fan would be sickened by not only the idea of use a  this medium to just vent your anger,  can't see that a site used to help people being used as your  plaything  going down well in the Belmont camp.

but to say you what a new weapon, something that this steeped  in history really shocks me, I mean Its the Vampire Killer.
 you really are a  nasty perthitic sod, and you should be Shamed of what you've done, I mean you only needed to look down your "So called page" and see How Serious the causes are on that site are, you're bloody disgrace.
Really man time to  grow up. How bloody old are you 3?

Oh and constider you're your page repoted, or i should say your fandom tantrum Reported. Lets not wast the sites time again, as they for real Genuine political cause.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on October 27, 2018, 12:44:27 PM
Lets not abuse change. org, its for real things not for you to play about with, like people who are dyeing or soldiers who are being miss treated, you know Serious stuff. Not for some little git, to vent his childish frustration.
 and any real Belmont fan would be sickened by this, really man grow up. How bloody old are you 3?
Wait a second... you think I'm being serious?
I literally refer to the new weapon as a B.S. stick.

Also Change.org has basically the same results as a wishing well.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Zuljaras on October 27, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
I just finished season 2. I really liked it! I was little sad for Hector but he will be ok when the happy gang blow up Carmillas fucking head!

The best part of the whole season 2 was the Bloody Tears segment. That was GLORIOUS!!!

This season has made me consider buying Castlevanai Requiem :)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 27, 2018, 01:14:44 PM
Wait a second... you think I'm being serious?

Also Change.org has basically the same results as a wishing well.
No its not, its very serious website for serious cause, and if you're to immature to understand that, then you really should be using the site, I mean doing it a joke are you for real? well do the decent thing and pull back some of you're credit  and  take your fandom tantrum

 page down. And save the people who work there who have better things to do then clean up your mess, you bloody git.

Change . Org isn't 4chan, have some class
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 27, 2018, 01:58:04 PM
Change . Org isn't 4chan, have some class

what about all the times 4chan used it for shitpost petitions like "label all users of tumblr as mentally handicapped landwhales" or "make the new mountain dew flavor hitler did nothing wrong" or "make taylor swift meet with the random guy we made win an online contest poll by abusing the voting method" or [insert any other time /b/ had a laugh with the site here]

changeorg is a pile of code and macros that means absolutely nothing on its own, it's up to the users to decide whether it's """serious""" or """immature""", and anyone who wants to pretend differently might need to reorganize their notions of what defines a sociopolitical platform's interpreted value

have some class yourself and take this derailing elsewhere, or better yet don't take an obvious joke as a serious offense next time

so anyway how about godbrand's weird accent that seems to change midsentence
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 27, 2018, 03:00:13 PM
what about all the times 4chan used it for shitpost petitions like "label all users of tumblr as mentally handicapped landwhales" or "make the new mountain dew flavor hitler did nothing wrong" or "make taylor swift meet with the random guy we made win an online contest poll by abusing the voting method" or [insert any other time /b/ had a laugh with the site here]

changeorg is a pile of code and macros that means absolutely nothing on its own, it's up to the users to decide whether it's """serious""" or """immature""", and anyone who wants to pretend differently might need to reorganize their notions of what defines a sociopolitical platform's interpreted value

have some class yourself and take this derailing elsewhere, or better yet don't take an obvious joke as a serious offense next time

so anyway how about godbrand's weird accent that seems to change midsentence
I don't know why this is so hard for you two to understand, Its not in any way funny to use a site like that  as a  place for ones Jokes, its as if  you don't understand  how  serious and how much its needed, and the last thing it needs is the sites being filled up with so called  "comedians"  posting there 3 year old humor thus  turning the site in to a joke,  that noone goes to  cos all they think is

"ahh shit posts thats all its become now don't wast my time with that"

its for saveing lives, help other thats  can't help themselves.
 
like help other get heat in there home cos the land lord just dons't care. or someone whos been thown in jail cos he was driving a nice car and the family don't have the money to get help, to get the money to dying  kids  to give them some last wish.

i agree theres all sorts of shit post, and there sick, but just cos others have done it dosn't make it right. and the fact that you think a site like that is has  no importance and this sort of "joke" is ok shocks me and show that you have  a lot of growing up to do son, i mean thinking about it   don't know why i was shocked as it seems the sort of thing Esteban T  would do.

But i thought you kewn  better, but no i guess like him, you just have the mind of litte brat who thinks that eveyhting should there to amuse him, screw others as long as you've had your fun thats all that matters. well grow up and get some bloody class  before its too late.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on October 27, 2018, 03:15:41 PM
You know, creative liberties are a thing. There is a reason why they'll always say "Based on *Insert Franchise Here*". That is why they'll have original characters shoehorned with some new changes to pre existing characters like Isaac and some canon like changes. While yes, this is basically Dracula's Curse, one can say it's just one big inspiration to create it's own stand alone story/timeline. Not to mention it isn't really easy to adapt a video game into a movie or series because it doesn't translate well in screenplay.

Pretty much; whether it be TV shows or films, media adaptations have had to pick and choose what elements to take from the source material. The Lord of the Rings for instance, while being incredibly faithful to the world Tolkien crafted, had to take HUGE liberties with it, trimming down plot elements, getting rid of extraneous characters, while at the same time expanding on some things and outright changing others. Same thing with superhero movies whether it be Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy or Marvel's MCU.

At the end of the day, this is what matters in terms of adaptation: quality and execution. Whether or not it's faithful to the source material is irrelevant (paradoxical as that sounds). Furthermore, it means regardless of familiarity with the source material the audience is surprised because watching a story you already know is boring. As such, I'm interested to see what Season 3 does
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 27, 2018, 03:19:47 PM
Pretty much; whether it be TV shows or films, media adaptations have had to pick and choose what elements to take from the source material. The Lord of the Rings for instance, while being incredibly faithful to the world Tolkien crafted, had to take HUGE liberties with it, trimming down plot elements, getting rid of extraneous characters, while at the same time expanding on some things and outright changing others. Same thing with superhero movies whether it be Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy or Marvel's MCU.

At the end of the day, this is what matters in terms of adaptation: quality and execution. Whether or not it's faithful to the source material is irrelevant (paradoxical as that sounds). Furthermore, it means regardless of familiarity with the source material the audience is surprised because watching a story you already know is boring. As such, I'm interested to see what Season 3 does
SIR I agree 110%, and as CV as been known to flip its canon when ever it needs, I don't see why others  got so upset about this, and I'm glad there's another Fan who thinks it was bloody amazing truly glad to see this, you sir have made my day
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 27, 2018, 03:28:24 PM
SIR I agree 110%, and as CV as been known to flip its canon when ever it needs, I don't see why others  got so upset about this

Its not really that I'm upset with changes since as I pointed out earlier I LOVED this season and most of its changes, hell I even liked the change they did with Issac here with actually giving him more depth as a person in comparison to his COD counterpart, my only problem is just the core concept of Devil Forgemaster being relegated to being merely necromancers. Now make no mistake I'm NOT saying nor have I ever said I think this anime should be 100% faithful the the game series, HOWEVER, when you call these guys Devil Forgemasters and not give them their previous established powers as Devil Forgemasters than yes its something that sticks out like a sore thumb and is hard to overlook, it would be like having the vampires on this show drink brain fluid rather than blood. Really I think it honestly would have been better If they had just called Hector and Issac necromancers, sure it would have been weird but at least I would have known what I was getting with them powerwise.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 27, 2018, 03:52:00 PM
Its not really that I'm upset with changes since as I pointed out earlier I LOVED this season and most of its changes, hell I even liked the change they did with Issac here with actually giving him more depth as a person in comparison to his COD counterpart, my only problem is just the core concept of Devil Forgemaster being relegated to being merely necromancers. Now make no mistake I'm NOT saying nor have I ever said I think this anime should be 100% faithful the the game series, HOWEVER, when you call these guys Devil Forgemasters and not give them their previous established powers as Devil Forgemasters than yes its something that sticks out like a sore thumb and is hard to overlook, it would be like having the vampires on this show drink brain fluid rather than blood. Really I think it honestly would have been better If they had just called Hector and Issac necromancers, sure it would have been weird but at least I would have known what I was getting with them powerwise.
Well no I can see you point, too Putting it like that,  it did really brake away from what they had been before, I think why I don't feel as strongly is cos we after CoD we never saw hector or another Forgemaster  again, I mean there was talk that shaft was infect both necromancer and a Forgemaster  then again that's  only  here say, but yes  I can see your point there too, well put.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on October 27, 2018, 07:48:05 PM
They used dead bodies and parts as raw materials, but they did a hell of a lot more than simply reanimate the dead.  They created basically every monster in the series...  Making zombies and the like seems to just be the basest form of the power, which makes sense to me for a character that is essentially a "monster maker."  I had no problem with how the Devil Forgemasters were portrayed.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: The Puritan on October 28, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
As fun as the whole season was, it did feel too talky and Alucard-centric at times. I'd have liked them to reach the castle at least an episode earlier. I was expecting the second half to be a long dungeon raid as the three make their way through the castle.

Also glum that Ellis apparently didn't use the whole 'Castlevania is a creature of Chaos' thing, complete with crumbling when its master dies. It surviving him reminds me of LOS in fact.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on October 28, 2018, 06:19:47 AM
I really wanted to enjoy this but Warren Ellis ignoring canon, adding unnecessary plot elements that don't add to the story, but do unnecessarily complicate it and turning characters 180° from the source material being Warren Ellis made it very hard. It's not bad as it's own thing but for some reason it doesn't feel like Castlevania to me.
But they did increase the amount of fanservice, I'll give them that.
I enjoyed the first season, this one I have mixed feelings about.
 
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 28, 2018, 12:19:46 PM
Thinking on it.
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: whipsmemory on October 28, 2018, 12:37:50 PM
And I wonder if they will Mash up  CV 1 and CV 2

As i think we will move on to simon, and as Carmilla  has hector as her slave, her plan is most likey to get The counts relics, and use hector's power to bing him back, and the Show brought  up for as far as i can see no real reason That who ever Hector brings back will be loyal to him and his goals. and id bet that she has turned hector to keep him under her power. and to keep him alive.
So it'll be a race to the relics

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 28, 2018, 01:47:48 PM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 28, 2018, 04:03:16 PM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 28, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
I really wanted to enjoy this but Warren Ellis ignoring canon, adding unnecessary plot elements that don't add to the story, but do unnecessarily complicate it and turning characters 180° from the source material being Warren Ellis made it very hard. It's not bad as it's own thing but for some reason it doesn't feel like Castlevania to me.
But they did increase the amount of fanservice, I'll give them that.
I enjoyed the first season, this one I have mixed feelings about.
 
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: JR on October 28, 2018, 08:13:14 PM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on October 28, 2018, 11:51:58 PM
I can't quite explain it, but season 2 seems like they cut back on the animation. The lips didn't seem to sync even remotely decently, at least in the first couple episodes. Walking animations looked like I was watching Monkey Island. The art style seems much simpler as well. The frame rate was hella low to the point it was clear they skipped out on transitional frames (such as Carmilla taking her hood off). I went back and watched episode 1-1 just to see if they did the same in the beginning and I just forgot about it, but season 1 felt very different compared to season 2, even Lisa seems better in the first season. Season 2 just feel so much more simplified...


Question: Who was the bandaged demon Trevor fought with the minotaur and Malphas? Was that supposed to be demonified Grant or what?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on October 29, 2018, 03:16:55 AM
I can't quite explain it, but season 2 seems like they cut back on the animation. The lips didn't seem to sync even remotely decently, at least in the first couple episodes. Walking animations looked like I was watching Monkey Island. The art style seems much simpler as well. The frame rate was hella low to the point it was clear they skipped out on transitional frames (such as Carmilla taking her hood off). I went back and watched episode 1-1 just to see if they did the same in the beginning and I just forgot about it, but season 1 felt very different compared to season 2, even Lisa seems better in the first season. Season 2 just feel so much more simplified...


Question: Who was the bandaged demon Trevor fought with the minotaur and Malphas? Was that supposed to be demonified Grant or what?
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 29, 2018, 04:30:59 AM
alright tudrussells and gigglespoons, i've given it some time and rewatches and thoughts have been gathered more concretely, so here goes

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: XombieMike on October 29, 2018, 05:34:58 AM
So last night I finished my 63 hour work week and finally got to watch all of season 2. Here are my thoughts on it all. I wish I had more time to read everyone's posts, but... I am about to drive to work.

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on October 29, 2018, 08:10:39 AM
Hello all, been a while since I posted in here. Castlevania feels alive again, isn't it?

So, I have done watching the Netflix series and I'm beyond speechless by how well this was made, but this goes without it's flaws too.

Let's start with the pros:

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: VladOfWallachia on October 29, 2018, 03:38:40 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Sindra on October 29, 2018, 04:36:38 PM
Another thing that gets me....


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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 29, 2018, 06:38:29 PM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 29, 2018, 06:47:25 PM
Another thing that gets me....


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But having said that at the end of the day its just grant, and really who is that much of a fan of grant yes he did help rebulid after the war. And I keep reading how Ellis as ruined this and that. But sometime, to give something new life you need to shake it up. I mean think If IGA id stuck with alucard's old back story, he would never have become such a fleshed out character, same with the count.

some could say that IGA just changed things to suit his own needs he took  stuff out of the canon, and all that added things, like take to an advertisement  for the first said the Simon's whip was baptized (I think they mean blessed)  No talk of a soul. But IGA added that later. And the list is endless.

some had a prob with him coming and changing things. But if  hadn't CV would never had grown. and its the same here, you need to change some things to let  these things evolve. And if you try and keep it the same then it will just die.

so what i'm saying is that  just give it chance.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on October 29, 2018, 07:25:03 PM
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some had a prob with him coming and changing things. But if  hadn't CV would never had grown. and its the same here, you need to change some things to let  these things evolve. And if you try and keep it the same then it will just die.

Jesus Christ, dude. Doing an adaptation of Grant won't suddenly kill Castlevania or "lock it in the same" wtf level of snowball fallacy are we into.

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 29, 2018, 07:38:05 PM
Jesus Christ, dude. Doing an adaptation of Grant won't suddenly kill Castlevania or "lock it in the same" wtf level of snowball fallacy are we into.

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No but at the same time, I really don't think it calls for this kind of fuss, cos at the end of day, he was the weak link, the one no one really cared about, he means so little that he's only been a in  a few games , he was missed out of Julius mode. So even IGA didn't think he was that great.. so come on just give it go.

They did bloody well and its nice seeing something new come out of CV
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on October 29, 2018, 08:09:23 PM
Yep, thread going to hell right on schedule just like last season, christ it's upsetting we can't discuss this without being snide and insulting all the time
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on October 29, 2018, 08:43:36 PM
No but at the same time, I really don't think it calls for this kind of fuss,

And some people do. I think this pretty much settles the issue ¯\_(o_o)_/¯
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on October 29, 2018, 09:31:16 PM
Who said Grant even had to be a pirate? He could have been an ordinary thief. He could have been a "rebel" from the Danesti clan (which was real) wanting to avenge his family. They tweaked Isaac and Hector, who were tie-ins to CV3, so why couldn't they tweak Grant who was actually part of the original cast? He could have helped them get into the castle and then get killed off, even - he could have been a throw-away character and still satisfy fans of CV3.

I do like how s2e1 brought back the old lady that Dracula had warned to gather her family and flee Wallachia before his rampage. 

I liked Isaac the most out of all the characters this season. Anyone else think he might change his name to Shaft?

I'm OK with Carmilla having her own agenda. Some of the other vampires weren't actually loyal to Dracula, they feared him. But I can't help but wonder if Carmilla is even that strong. She never actually does anything, just skulks in the shadows conniving how to wipe out the other vampires.

Was Dracula's army supposed to be the ghouls from CV1? I never played some of the CV games, but I didn't recognize his vampire army's uniforms.

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As for the "Treffie" scene, I didn't mind it too much. It seemed out of place, but I just assumed it was their way of showing Trevor and Sypha had a bond forming (because, you know, defeating a dark lord wouldn't be a good enough reason alone for them to hook up). I loved Alucard's look there.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Inccubus on October 29, 2018, 09:45:14 PM
Just finished watching season 2.
Half way through I was gritting my teeth wanting it to be over already.
All those classic references on a damned bookshelf showed up and I knew the garbage I would be in for.
The one time they deigned to actually remix a Castlevania song only served to anger me further.

Fuck the SJW bullshit.
Fuck what they did to Hector and Isaac.
Fuck shoehorning Carmilla and a plethora of new characters into it.
Fuck this boring-ass, patronizing, disrespectful, turd of an excuse for a show.

I'm done with it.
Let it burn in the pits of hell where it can bother my soul no more.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 29, 2018, 10:51:52 PM
Question: Who was the bandaged demon Trevor fought with the minotaur and Malphas? Was that supposed to be demonified Grant or what?

I suspect that the creature with the bandaged eye was Adramelech.  I thought it was fitting that he was essentially one of Carmilla's bosses in Circle of the Moon.

I thought they adapted Hector pretty well.  In CoD when Hector faces Dracula, he said that he would not run away like he did before. 
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Sindra on October 30, 2018, 04:48:21 AM
Yep, thread going to hell right on schedule just like last season, christ it's upsetting we can't discuss this without being snide and insulting all the time

If it's any consolation, I quite liked your thorough breakdown and it touched on some of the issues and accolades I had in greater detail. It's what made me think more about my points on Grant.

Guy Belmont, your opinion is your own and if you think Grant is a throwaway character from the games that doesn't add anything that's fine. I disagree. To your own point of Igarashi changing things up.....remember that even he kept zombie!Grant in SotN. He didn't really change the established stories of the games, save for Legends because it was the oddball in the story. Just my thoughts.

Inccubus....dude, chill out. It wasn't that horrible.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: EstebanT on October 30, 2018, 07:27:32 AM
Did anyone else hate the way they handled the Bishop's storyline.

This still sounds like foreshadowing to me all the way from season 1....

[Mayor] Off to heaven with him, eh? I suppose that's the ultimate goal for you priests, serving God in His true house and all that.

[Bishop] It holds little appeal for me, to be honest.

[Mayor] Really?

[Bishop] There's so much left to be done on earth.
Wallachia could be God's own country had I but time to burn out all the evil that hides here.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Sindra on October 30, 2018, 09:03:18 AM
I loathed how they handled the bishop. They were really driving home the fact that the church and everyone in it are horrible dark-age monsters without a speck of empathy, even for the people they are supposed to be shepherding. In SotN the implication was that villagers were afraid Lisa was a witch because her healing was so advanced and in their fear executed her as a group...hence why she pleaded that they didn't deserve Dracula's fury because it was a hard time being a peasant and they were just doing what the thought was right for the good of the community.

In the series, it's hard not to want the bishop and his church goons to suffer horribly. They held all the power, and thus they dictated what was evil and an acceptable target for their righteousness. It'd be hard to argue the villagers and townsfolk even had a choice in the matter, as even the Mayor was cowed into silence by the bishop when he hinted at the potential medical science had and that Lisa might not be as witchy as claimed. And the archbishop straight up taunted Dracula on the anniversary of Lisa's death. So you're left thinking Dracula was a lot more justified in his rampage of Wallachia, rather than it being morally ambiguous at best in the games.

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Zetheraxza on October 30, 2018, 01:29:28 PM
I was hoping the way they were foreshadowing The Bishop to come back from the dead... He would keep his core personality but go 180 degrees and resurrect as...

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Inccubus on October 30, 2018, 03:36:21 PM
Inccubus....dude, chill out. It wasn't that horrible.

It was to me.
There is too much of it that is a deal breaker far above and beyond the first season.
It's 5% cool moments that would be fine in another time period, and 80% mindless slop I wouldn't accept in an anime not titled Castlevania. The rest was a'ight. :P
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on October 30, 2018, 05:01:44 PM
And some people do. I think this pretty much settles the issue ¯\_(o_o)_/¯

can't say fairer then that really.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on October 30, 2018, 05:33:42 PM
They do have enemies and other baddies in Castlevania that can somehow cast Holy Powers.
-Possessed Richter (confused human)
-Sniper of Goth (holy creature)
-White Fomor (Demon that mocks god by doing holy chants)
-Holy Armor (infused armor)
-White Armor (infused armor)
-Fallen Angel (flying Succubus that uses Holy Rings)
-Valkyrie and Erinys (flying spirit warriors)
...and more!

It would not be uncommon for an undead priest to be able to cast holy, because of two reasons:
-It's a creature created from Forgemastery (they have holy-elemental innocent devils in CoD)
-Just like Richter Belmont can be confused or coerced, whatever mind is left on this character is made to think they are still doing their Holy tasks.

Lastly, you can see that even though it is chanting and blessing the water, the water is clearly damaging its body, so basically the blessing will eventually overwhelm and exhaust the body, which does happen.

So I don't really see that much of a problem with the bishop and the blessing, nearly as much as I have a PROBLEM WITH MISSING GRANT AND OP ALUCARD!
Having said that, I enjoyed this series for what it is.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on October 30, 2018, 05:35:34 PM
So I've been thinking about the season 2 ending.  Mostly all my problems with it, and the direction things seem to be heading.  I've kind of worked out a possible scenario that would right a lot of the wrongs.  Both Carmilla and Isaac are ressurrectors of Dracula in the games, and we certainly got a momentary glance and a much darker, arguably more demonic Dracula between his staking and decapitation.

If Isaac is the resurrecter of Dracula it would make sense for him to go even further into the demonic side.  Obviously Hector won't be playing the primary hero, as he doesn't seem to be a fighter at all in this version, so Trevor would be the obvious choice to fill the role,  with maybe Alucard taking on something like the role Trevor had in Curse of Darkness, including Isaac taking him out before the final show down.  Trevor takes on a gnarlier Dracula complete with 2nd demonic form and boom, everyone is happy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on October 30, 2018, 05:46:05 PM
^I won't be happy without Grant around, so...
...I'm somewhat content but not quite happy.

But there is hope!  There's an entire new arc happening, here... and it looks like Alucard will basically become Giles (from Buffy) as protector of the Estate.  I doubt that he will be going on more adventures with Trevor and Sypha.  It's possible that when they go to talk to the other Speakers, they will find Grant rebuilding the villages.  Of course, the whole "they turned me into a demon but I got better" angle would be lost.  It could still happen, what with Carmilla having an imprisoned pet forgemaster to do things for her.

But, like Sindra, I wouldn't be holding my breath for any of this.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on October 30, 2018, 05:58:30 PM
They do have enemies and other baddies in Castlevania that can somehow cast Holy Powers.
-Possessed Richter (confused human)
-Sniper of Goth (holy creature)
-White Fomor (Demon that mocks god by doing holy chants)
-Holy Armor (infused armor)
-White Armor (infused armor)
-Fallen Angel (flying Succubus that uses Holy Rings)
-Valkyrie and Erinys (flying spirit warriors)
...and more!

It would not be uncommon for an undead priest to be able to cast holy, because of two reasons:
-It's a creature created from Forgemastery (they have holy-elemental innocent devils in CoD)
-Just like Richter Belmont can be confused or coerced, whatever mind is left on this character is made to think they are still doing their Holy tasks.

Lastly, you can see that even though it is chanting and blessing the water, the water is clearly damaging its body, so basically the blessing will eventually overwhelm and exhaust the body, which does happen.

So I don't really see that much of a problem with the bishop and the blessing, nearly as much as I have a PROBLEM WITH MISSING GRANT AND OP ALUCARD!
Having said that, I enjoyed this series for what it is.

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: JR on October 30, 2018, 06:09:55 PM

In the series, it's hard not to want the bishop and his church goons to suffer horribly. They held all the power, and thus they dictated what was evil and an acceptable target for their righteousness. It'd be hard to argue the villagers and townsfolk even had a choice in the matter, as even the Mayor was cowed into silence by the bishop when he hinted at the potential medical science had and that Lisa might not be as witchy as claimed. And the archbishop straight up taunted Dracula on the anniversary of Lisa's death. So you're left thinking Dracula was a lot more justified in his rampage of Wallachia, rather than it being morally ambiguous at best in the games.


This. They didn't really show many redeeming qualities in humans in general, which made me think, "well, Drac has a point..." when talking about wiping out humanity. Which definitely felt disappointing.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on October 30, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 31, 2018, 05:22:10 AM
Bishop
Agreed.  I thought that was unfortunate as well.  They should have just had Carmilla capture a live priest and torture him into submission and then kill him after he blessed the river or something like that.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 31, 2018, 07:32:46 AM
I thouroughly enjoyed the series, but yeah, little inconsistancies can be an irritant.  One little one that bugged me that was within one scene was when Alucard explained there would still be animals around, just no humans.  But then said how Dracula had a plan to cover the world in endless night, as if that wouldn’t interrupt the food chain haha.  Well, I’m sure there’s a way to make sense of that.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Inccubus on October 31, 2018, 12:49:57 PM
The spoiler stuff above is not a little inconsistency, that's a plot hole.

Alucard's comments on Dracula's plan aren't inconsistent.
The eternal darkness would mess with diurnal animals, but they would adapt or die out which is perfectly natural and isn't Dracula's intent either way.

One of the things that bothered me about the first season was the technology angle.
Having more of that in the second season made it worse.
It is the equivalent of midichlorians in Star Wars.
Sucks the mysticism right out.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on October 31, 2018, 01:04:03 PM
One of the things that bothered me about the first season was the technology angle.
Having more of that in the second season made it worse.
It is the equivalent of midichlorians in Star Wars.
Sucks the mysticism right out.

What do you mean technology angle? And what mysticism got lost?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Chernabogue on October 31, 2018, 01:40:37 PM
Season 3 confirmed with 10 episodes
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 31, 2018, 03:51:09 PM
hoho, moving up in the episode count!

i’m assuming it will take place within the current gang’s lifespan, but who knows, there could be a generation gap.

i’m kind of wondering how dracula gets new forces once his forgemasters are gone (in the game and animation).  does he get new forgemasters or maybe his partnership with Death and other necromancers makes devil forgery unnecessary?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on October 31, 2018, 06:58:35 PM
If the second season finished with Dracula's defeat then by all reasoning the third season will most likely be a lose adaption of CoD.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 01, 2018, 04:14:49 AM
So I've been tossing some ideas around inside my head about how the show could have been better, and this was the outline of what I came up with, for those who might be interested:

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 01, 2018, 11:46:38 AM
Looks like Adi Shankar might work on a Legend of Zelda animation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/filmschoolrejects.com/the-legend-of-zelda-tv-series-coming-from-castlevania-producer/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/filmschoolrejects.com/the-legend-of-zelda-tv-series-coming-from-castlevania-producer/amp/)

I wonder how this might effect future season releases of Castlevania.  I’d of course love if they kept pumping out new seasons for a decade.  But I guess I wouldn’t mind if we got a Legend of Zelda season 1 instead of a Castlevania Season 4.  Finish up Trevor era CV with season 3, take a break with Zelda instead for a few years, then come back with the next generation of Belmonts.  Sounds nice.

Edit:  After reading the original article, it might be a bit presumptuous to assume Legend of Zelda is the game they’re working on doing, though it would fit.


New topic:  Had fun reading this discussion on season 2:  https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2018-11-01/.138921 (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2018-11-01/.138921)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on November 01, 2018, 01:34:38 PM
So, non-spoiler thoughts: still pretty freaking awesome. Season 1 was just an intro as this is where things really kick off and manages to make something really compelling. This should not be as good as it is; with the history of game adaptations this should have been boring at best and a disaster at worst. Instead, Ellis, Shankar, and Deats made something spectacular and unique. It'll be interesting to see where Season 3 goes. Anyway, now to spoilers

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on November 02, 2018, 12:35:23 AM
you guys have mostly talked this to death but ill give a few words for now.

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thats all for the moment.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 02, 2018, 01:51:17 AM
I viewed this season with the mindset that this animation is an alternative universe and in the point of view of someone who just heard of Castlevania (unburdened by the canon lore that we know). Well, with those frame of mind, I'd say, this season is good.
I love Alucard as the show stopper (but really, it should have been Trevor). Sypha is great. :)
I watched this with Japanese audio and English subs, because JP VAs. I still laugh with the reality that Ryotaro Okiayu is Trevor. Shinichiro Miki as usual is awesome. :)

But viewing it with the canon lore in mind, yes, I'm happy with the Easter eggs, but there's more left to be desired.
Then again, I'm reminded that this is an adaptation and not the canon lore, so yeah, a good season with a cliffhanger ending for COD season 3. I wonder if they'll make a season for Rondo and another for SOTN? I really want a SOTN season.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on November 02, 2018, 06:47:28 AM
I viewed this season with the mindset that this animation is an alternative universe and in the point of view of someone who just heard of Castlevania (unburdened by the canon lore that we know). Well, with those frame of mind, I'd say, this season is good.
I love Alucard as the show stopper (but really, it should have been Trevor). Sypha is great. :)
I watched this with Japanese audio and English subs, because JP VAs. I still laugh with the reality that Ryotaro Okiayu is Trevor. Shinichiro Miki as usual is awesome. :)

But viewing it with the canon lore in mind, yes, I'm happy with the Easter eggs, but there's more left to be desired.
Then again, I'm reminded that this is an adaptation and not the canon lore, so yeah, a good season with a cliffhanger ending for COD season 3. I wonder if they'll make a season for Rondo and another for SOTN? I really want a SOTN season.

Probably; SOTN is the most popular entry by far.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on November 02, 2018, 07:32:50 AM
I don't see how they can do SoTN now without it being incredibly redundant.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 02, 2018, 07:41:46 AM
I don't see how they can do SoTN now without it being incredibly redundant.
Actually with the exception of the ending, which will end up having some similarities, of course... it could be quite different.  You've got a possessed Belmont, a dark priest, the succubus nightmare, etc... the story isn't too long, so if they do SotN it will likely share its season with Rondo of Blood as well... if they're smart, they'll also pull elements from Nocturne of Recollection.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on November 02, 2018, 11:24:47 AM
yeah it wouldnt be so hard. Despite this adaptation focusing a lot on alucard, it doesn not really go too in depth with him outside of implying he's a deeper character. After all, the end scene was touching, but hardly a whole lot. symphony could touch far more upon the relationship between Dracula and Alucard, and the kind of family dynamic that existed in the castle. The kind of man Dracula was becoming *before* lisa was killed. Real beauty and the Beast type shit.

And there's more to do. there's the succubus nightmare, which would be neat, posessed Richter acting as lord of the castle, who can obviously be a fakeout villain for a season, there's maria, shaft, death (if they get around to that)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 02, 2018, 11:31:20 AM
I'm quite sure that they've given Death's role to Isaac (which I am NOT happy about, btw).  I have been replaying Curse of Darkness, testing out some stuff, and Zead has some lines about purification (referring to the curse).  I expect Isaac will be looking to revive Dracula.  Isaac may also end up taking Shaft's role... who knows?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on November 02, 2018, 12:28:31 PM
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* Make it clear that Alucard was present when his mother said her final words, but had arrived too late to save her/was incapable of reaching her where she was.

This is a bit of side note but I noticed over the years a lot of people asking the question: "why didn't Alucard safe Lisa?". However, this question is actually answered in SotN (in the dream sequence).  Lisa asks Alucard not to save her because: "if my death will bring happiness to everyone, I will gladly die" (Japanese version) In other words, her death is an act of self-sacrifice. Of course this wouldn't work in the Netflix show because she got turned from a saintlike figure into Smug Atheist Scientist Woman. Which goes to show Ellis has a really poor grasp of the characters he's supposed to be adapting. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on November 02, 2018, 12:37:03 PM
didnt ellis admit hes never played a castlevania game? he went into it simply seeing "hey this series is like a sendup of hammer horror" and thats about as deep as he got outside of being handed some ayami kojima illustrations and broad plot synopsis
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 02, 2018, 01:38:58 PM
Which goes to show Ellis has a really poor grasp of the characters he's supposed to be adapting.

which is doubly weird as he for some reason got pretty close with the sotn-yanked alu/drac angst

maybe that's the only one he went and played, or people other than ellis contributed to that nugget of writing

fuck if i know, though
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 02, 2018, 04:06:25 PM
"if my death will bring happiness to everyone, I will gladly die" (Japanese version)
Mm, call me crazy but I think that change was actually a good call.  "Nah, son, let me burn to death and traumatize you and your father.  It's cool, because these people want to burn me to death. :D"
Saints don't die for no damn reason.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on November 02, 2018, 05:00:38 PM
Mm, call me crazy but I think that change was actually a good call.  "Nah, son, let me burn to death and traumatize you and your father.  It's cool, because these people want to burn me to death. :D"
Saints don't die for no damn reason.
For real... that's worse than superman's dad in Man of Steel...  Also I have to lol at the "smug atheist scientist woman" comment above.  Some people have a hard time hiding their feelings on certain topics...  There is nothing more saint like than healing people, given the time period, and the idea of her being a healer, the changes here were 100% warranted.  I've got my problems with plenty of the changes in this series, there characterization of Lisa is not one of them.  The kind of character some people seem to have wanted would be a completely 2 dimensional bore.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 02, 2018, 05:58:29 PM
As where talking about Season 2 does this not remind anyone of the belmont hold?

(https://i.imgur.com/jLB89JK.png)

As  it does look a lot like it, i'm not saying that it is, but  the guys that work on the TV show maybe saw this and thought

 "Hey wouldn't it be cool if they had like a secret hold under the house"

And looking at, it really reminds me of the hold, but maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on November 02, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
Also I have to lol at the "smug atheist scientist woman" comment above.  Some people have a hard time hiding their feelings on certain topics... [...] The kind of character some people seem to have wanted would be a completely 2 dimensional bore.

"This has nothing to do with God" [backpedals immediately in response to Bishop's glare]
"Oh no he's worse than Satan, because he actually exists!!!!"

All that was left was for Lisa to tip her huge fedora. This is kindergarden, Facebook meme-level atheism. Lisa couldn't even be an agnostic atheist, no, she KNOWS FOR SURE Satan isn't real. And all that in a world implying that God does, indeed, exist. So, beyond edgy, she's also wrong.

Also, "obviously evil bishop", "drunkard asshole Belmont", "emo Alucard", "quirky teenager Sypha", "extreme mourning Dracula that is tired all the time", "manipulative femme fatale Carmilla", "easily manipulable idiot Hector", "wise elderly Sypha grandpa" these are very clear 2-dimentional archetype bores. So, one more 2D bore, one less, would make no difference. The characters have the depth of a puddle, except maybe Isaac, which became my favorite because of stronger writing (loves master, still turns on him showing greater self-respect. Is willing to give his life for someone that has superior intellect to save said superior intellect. Is rightfully the one closest to Dracula due to loyalty, unlike his "shunned imperfect Igor" game counterpart. Seems to genuinely go with Hector's plan, immediately notifies Dracula about it. Moral failure of oppressed wanting to become oppressor. Etc I could go on, he has very powerful humanity to him, you can't easily lock him into one archetype).

Mind that archetypes are not bad per-se, archetypes are useful. But here they were written in the shallowest, most predictable way possible.

Also, please stop implying people are "hiding" something, that their criticism MUST have some ulterior motive or come from some bias. This only works to tarnish the conversation and turns it against you i.e: "why are you defending it so much, are you hiding something?"
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 02, 2018, 08:07:54 PM
Also speaking of the Japanese SoTN does anyone else feel like we where robed with First translation, I've felt that it was so much deeper and  made so much more sense to the rest of the plot line and things and read about the plot line. like that part where Alucard spoke to Richter  at the end. that now really make sense why he passed on the whip, or to me at least.

And the PSP one but that's not perfect.

But Now... back to Season 2
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 02, 2018, 10:23:23 PM
"This has nothing to do with God" [backpedals immediately in response to Bishop's glare]
"Oh no he's worse than Satan, because he actually exists!!!!"

All that was left was for Lisa to tip her huge fedora. This is kindergarden, Facebook meme-level atheism.
That scene was genuinely awful, lol.  No one in their right mind would behave like that around a bunch of authority figures who have burst into your home and started rummaging through your stuff in the 1470's.  Probably my least favorite scene in the show just because of the horrible script.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 03, 2018, 12:57:24 AM
Also speaking of the Japanese SoTN does anyone else feel like we where robed with First translation, I've felt that it was so much deeper and  made so much more sense to the rest of the plot line and things and read about the plot line. like that part where Alucard spoke to Richter  at the end. that now really make sense why he passed on the whip, or to me at least.

And the PSP one but that's not perfect.

But Now... back to Season 2

The Japanese SOTN is of course better than all translations but even if it has the deepest plot among all, please be reminded that IGA wanted to add more plot, but did not do so. Maybe all the missing plot went into Nocturne of Recollection?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on November 03, 2018, 03:54:57 AM
For real... that's worse than superman's dad in Man of Steel...  Also I have to lol at the "smug atheist scientist woman" comment above.  Some people have a hard time hiding their feelings on certain topics...  There is nothing more saint like than healing people, given the time period, and the idea of her being a healer, the changes here were 100% warranted.  I've got my problems with plenty of the changes in this series, there characterization of Lisa is not one of them.  The kind of character some people seem to have wanted would be a completely 2 dimensional bore.

Science and religion were deeply intertwined in the Middle Ages, though. It also included elements of what we now label as magic.  You act like it makes no sense that someone with scientific knowledge wouldn't actually be religious while the far majority of scientists in that period believed in the existence of God. The Bible was considered to be the highest authority of knowledge.

What I'm getting at is that Ellis could easily have included these three aspects (magic, science, and faith) into her character. Not only would it have be consistent with her character, it would have made her less one dimensional, actually would have fitted the universe he's supposed to be writing for, and be historically accurate as well.

Instead we got a character with a 21th century worldview placed in the middle ages along with religious strawmen. Do you understand how dumb that is?

Also, you're mistaken if you think I take issue with this because I'm personally offended by the depiction of religion in the show.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 03, 2018, 04:32:53 AM
Science [was] deeply intertwined in the Middle Ages, though.

except for that time everyone turned out the lights and it got really dark
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Belmontoya on November 03, 2018, 09:00:56 AM
To be fair, all of the characters in Dracula's Curse are 2 dimensional.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on November 03, 2018, 10:13:10 AM
There was very little science going on in the middle ages. If one was practising science 'he' and especially 'she' needed to be very careful of their studies or the church would come down hard on them. That's not to say there weren't those who did it secret as well as Wicca. The Church did accept science in some semblance, but only that which did not interfere with their Religious doctrine.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on November 03, 2018, 12:17:40 PM

There was very little science going on in the middle ages. If one was practising science 'he' and especially 'she' needed to be very careful of their studies or the church would come down hard on them. That's not to say there weren't those who did it secret as well as Wicca. The Church did accept science in some semblance, but only that which did not interfere with their Religious doctrine.



There was plenty of science. You had mathematics, natural philosophy, and theology  (regarded as the most most imporant science). Universities began during the middle ages and were usually founded or funded by the Church. There were secular ones too but these taught theology as well. There were advancements in mathematics, architecture, and navigation. Christian priests were educated and were responsible for preserving many Greek/Roman texts.  The medieval church wasn't anti-science. Science explained how things worked and brought you closer to God because God was in everything.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 03, 2018, 12:30:04 PM
The Japanese SOTN is of course better than all translations but even if it has the deepest plot among all, please be reminded that IGA wanted to add more plot, but did not do so. Maybe all the missing plot went into Nocturne of Recollection?
Yeah. I do wish we'd get a solid answer on why the Belmont's gave up the whip, its one of those things that keeps me up an night, I have my ideas,

 
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But a real answer would be nice. And its s shame he couldn't  put more plot in, most likely  due to lack of time and money. shame really a shame.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on November 03, 2018, 04:29:39 PM
Medicine itself wasn't heretical. Folk medicine became heretical during the Inquisitions, which was not until long after Castlevania originated. Lisa's crime, if anything, was that she was a learned woman. She probably also didn't have a license to practice medicine, which probably gave the Church reason enough to go after her. The Church had plenty of physicians as well as veterinarians by that time; blurting out that her lab had nothing to do with God might have sealed her fate, but it would have been quite feasible that all of her equipment would have been confiscated by the Church and adopted for research by one of the other clergy. In all likelihood, the bishop was just on a misogynistic power trip. Dracula's Curse took place in the 15th century, nearly two centuries after St. Albert the Great, but since it took place in Romania, it should have been an Orthodox Catholic Church, so the scholastics of Western Catholics might have been unknown to the bishop and others.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on November 03, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Medicine itself wasn't heretical. Folk medicine became heretical during the Inquisitions, which was not until long after Castlevania originated. Lisa's crime, if anything, was that she was a learned woman. She probably also didn't have a license to practice medicine, which probably gave the Church reason enough to go after her. The Church had plenty of physicians as well as veterinarians by that time; blurting out that her lab had nothing to do with God might have sealed her fate, but it would have been quite feasible that all of her equipment would have been confiscated by the Church and adopted for research by one of the other clergy. In all likelihood, the bishop was just on a misogynistic power trip. Dracula's Curse took place in the 15th century, nearly two centuries after St. Albert the Great, but since it took place in Romania, it should have been an Orthodox Catholic Church, so the scholastics of Western Catholics might have been unknown to the bishop and others.

Yeah, medicine and science were commonly practiced in the various sects of Christianity and many great scientific breakthroughs happened because of monks and priests, but the problem was the people in charge had really, REALLY bad habits. One, was hoarding knowledge but not sharing it that in turn made the populace more dependent on the clergy instead of becoming more educated. Two, they did NOT like the idea of using old, folk medicine that they considered pagan or heretical (fittingly, folk healers also were more likely to be women).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on November 03, 2018, 09:26:37 PM
Except clearly Lisa's work wasn't folk medicine; even the clergy were like, "What the heck is all this stuff?!" They were just haters.  :-X
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on November 03, 2018, 11:02:53 PM
Except clearly Lisa's work wasn't folk medicine; even the clergy were like, "What the heck is all this stuff?!" They were just haters.  :-X

True, a lot of it was in fact stuff she either discovered or learned from Dracula. What she prescribes to the elderly woman is just penicillin and when she says "It's old knowledge" that's also true because a lot of medicinal techniques were lost to a lot of Europe during the Dark Ages, with a lot of it instead spreading to Byzantium or Muslim nations. And that's a painfully common thing in that a lot of helpful science was probably destroyed by zealots trying to maintain control
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 04, 2018, 09:06:46 AM
Natural philosophy and the groundings of science were extremely different in the Middle Ages compared to today, and things such as medical practices then were based off of notions which would be just plain laughed at today, but were seen as science then.  Science such as what Lisa practices would be seen as odd even by other doctors, and easily heretical, even though it’s very much true that knowledge was lost - you can believe Lisa’s claims.  Heck, different sects of the church were at each other’s throats.  During the Dark Ages, a lot of things were unfortunately lost.  Paranoia were rampant, and folk medicine healers, such as village wise women, were persecuted a lot.

  You also need to bear in mind the line that the bishop says about Lupu’s former wise woman.  She made allegations against Lisa, very likely from a mix of fear as well as jealousy.  During witch trials often people would make accusations at others as a way to escape being tried as a witch oneself.  The former wise woman likely had been accused herself, then having seen Lisa’s strange equipment, as well as wanting her old position back, pointed the finger at Lisa. 

  As for occultism and magic, any folk medicine could easily be misconstrued for witchcraft, regardless of it was or not.  Wicca is not the correct term for it either, X - Wicca is a modern neopagan religion created by Gardner in the 1950s. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on November 04, 2018, 09:44:22 AM
@TatteredSeraph

Thanks, just looked it up. This might be more accurate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_(word)

In terms of the Church and science, so long as the church controlled it (or other things) then yes it was acceptable. If not, then there were investigations. And in other cases, serious repercussions to the practitioners.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 04, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
You’re welcome.  ;D. Gardner appropriated the term from those older terms, confusing things, and made claims about his Wicca being ancient.  It isn’t.  In the Middle Ages. There would have been no central set of beliefs, no central religion to it.  You’d get pockets of folk beliefs and pagan practices handed down by the odd practitioner here and there’s.  If you’re interested in this, I recommend to look up the history of modern witchcraft in the British Isles and in Europe.  I’d also recommend looking into things such as famous witch trials, and things such as the Inquisition’s witch hunts.  The UK has a particularly interesting and very well recorded case called the Pendle Witch Trials, of 1612.  (The Pendle witches are actually one of the sources of inspiration behind Good Omens by Pratchett and Gaiman, and is currently being made into a tv series.)
  As such, I would say that the way Lisa’s case is portrayed in the series makes a heck of a lot of sense to me, having read into some of this stuff.  I also had absolutely no issue with how Lisa herself came across in the series.  I really liked her actually.  She came across as an inquisitive and sensible woman who wanted to learn better how to be a doctor, and then she met someone who has very advanced medical knowledge compared to most.  You also have to remember that Dracula, as well as having older, otherwise lost, knowledge, is if anything, very anachronistic, and ahead of the times.

  As a whole I did love season two, although I had issues with certain things within it.  Isaac did grow on me I admit on a rewatch.  The final fight in episode seven and the final scene have me in tears each and every time. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 04, 2018, 01:54:00 PM
you all know what the ultimate form of healing during the middle ages was

zombie puppy
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 04, 2018, 03:35:24 PM
you all know what the ultimate form of healing during the middle ages was

zombie puppy

As there's going to be a TON of CV  merchandise Coming our way, there better be a Stuffed zombie Puppy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dremn on November 04, 2018, 03:39:39 PM
I let it sink in for awhile, and I have to say Season 1 was more enjoyable than Season 2.

There was barely a journey involved, it focused way too much on the villains, there was more exposition/talking than last season, and a lot of the characters were useless fodder.

The scenes with the main trio and the ending were great, but this felt like Game of Thrones. I don't know where it's going now after that ending, but I don't have many expectations for season 3. I had hoped this season would have been more of a direct adaption of Castlevania 3, but it went in it's own direction.

It wasn't awful, but I don't think it was worth the wait either.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 04, 2018, 05:13:23 PM
As there's going to be a TON of CV  merchandise Coming our way, there better be a Stuffed zombie Puppy.

Someone made one on Twitter, it was adorable.  It even had a lit up eye.  It was adorable. 

I really want Alucard’s coat.  Sam Deats said that the OST should be on it’s way, and he’s also hoping for figures being sorted too.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on November 04, 2018, 09:38:02 PM
Do any of you guys really want a zombie puppy?  :-\

https://imgur.com/gallery/2M0Yj
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 05, 2018, 12:28:54 AM
Unintentional highlight of the series: Hector's zombie puppy is so adorable!
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 05, 2018, 02:15:13 AM
Especially wonderful seeing as Cezar was a tribute to Sam Deats’s late pug Bunny.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Inccubus on November 05, 2018, 12:55:51 PM
The simplicity of the source material was an opportunity to flesh out the story into an animated version of the game.
That is what I would have wanted. It could have easily been done without many changes to the original plot or characters.
It make sense to do it like that.

Netflix Castlevania has the same old issue every adaptation has ever had; it was made for no one.
Non-fans were unaware of the lore so changing it will make no difference to them, so why change it?
Some fans are all about the lore so you are guaranteed to lose them, so why change it?
Fix plot holes in the source material, I'm all for that.
But if you are putting your "creativity" above the basic lore because you know better what people will like, that is just ego.

Not having power ups drop from wierd candles, lanterns, and braziers is fine.
Not following the exact stage structure of the game is fine.
Not doing things in the same order because the replay mechanics are not compatible with the new medium is reasonable.

But not getting the most basic details of the time period correct is not good.
Making the main hero into a drunk gadabout is not good.
Making up an order of spellcasters instead of making Sypha an agent of the church is not good.
Making the church the ultimate evil when they were originally backed into a corner and out of options is not good.
Leaving out entire characters is not good.

If I have to pretend the adaptation of [insert thing I like] is an alternate reality / some other original work when it wasn't presented as such, then that is just dishonest and misleading.

Let me put it this way. Let's say tomorrow I sell you a remake of CV1.
In this remake I change Simon into a wizard and instead of candles and hearts you start with a selection of 4 spells.
Instead of power ups and hearts you are just able to use any spell any time, and all spells power up once midway through the game. I replace all the monsters and bosses with various evil gnomes. Every character speaks in a modern American dialect despite taking place in 1576 in Romania. And the entire game consists of 3 huge underground stages that lead to Dracula's tower at the end.

Would you feel satisfied that I provided you with a reasonable remake of Castlevania?
Or am I just milking the name to sell you my "creative" interpretation of how I think CV1 should be?


PS- Undead Puppy is the best thing the whole anime and the closest to an actual Innocent Devil they actually gave.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Inccubus on November 05, 2018, 01:23:41 PM
What do you mean technology angle? And what mysticism got lost?

The castle being able to teleport because of lost ancient technology that is simply not understood is what I was referring to.
Castlevania isn't a machine that teleports around by using a save point like it was Google Maps.
The castle doesn't teleport at all.

It has always been described as mysteriously appearing at a given location out of the mists upon Dracula's revival.
And more importantly the castle does not run on any technology, it is a "creature of chaos", a demonic entity.

AFAIK, the techy stuff in the castle never appears outside of the clock tower and alchemy/wizardry lab stages.
Outside the castle the only thing that comes to mind is the machine tower in CoD and Grant's clock tower in CV3.
Oh, and that wierd tower in SCV, but that is more magic than techy.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 05, 2018, 02:29:36 PM
The simplicity of the source material was an opportunity to flesh out the story into an animated version of the game.
That is what I would have wanted. It could have easily been done without many changes to the original plot or characters.
It make sense to do it like that.

Netflix Castlevania has the same old issue every adaptation has ever had; it was made for no one.
Non-fans were unaware of the lore so changing it will make no difference to them, so why change it?
Some fans are all about the lore so you are guaranteed to lose them, so why change it?
Fix plot holes in the source material, I'm all for that.
But if you are putting your "creativity" above the basic lore because you know better what people will like, that is just ego.

Not having power ups drop from wierd candles, lanterns, and braziers is fine.
Not following the exact stage structure of the game is fine.
Not doing things in the same order because the replay mechanics are not compatible with the new medium is reasonable.

But not getting the most basic details of the time period correct is not good.
Making the main hero into a drunk gadabout is not good.
Making up an order of spellcasters instead of making Sypha an agent of the church is not good.
Making the church the ultimate evil when they were originally backed into a corner and out of options is not good.
Leaving out entire characters is not good.

If I have to pretend the adaptation of [insert thing I like] is an alternate reality / some other original work when it wasn't presented as such, then that is just dishonest and misleading.

Let me put it this way. Let's say tomorrow I sell you a remake of CV1.
In this remake I change Simon into a wizard and instead of candles and hearts you start with a selection of 4 spells.
Instead of power ups and hearts you are just able to use any spell any time, and all spells power up once midway through the game. I replace all the monsters and bosses with various evil gnomes. Every character speaks in a modern American dialect despite taking place in 1576 in Romania. And the entire game consists of 3 huge underground stages that lead to Dracula's tower at the end.

Would you feel satisfied that I provided you with a reasonable remake of Castlevania?
Or am I just milking the name to sell you my "creative" interpretation of how I think CV1 should be?


PS- Undead Puppy is the best thing the whole anime and the closest to an actual Innocent Devil they actually gave.
I think The Plot twist sumed it up best
And some people do. I think this pretty much settles the issue ¯\_(o_o)_/¯
You think that all those creative interpretation where amazing, and i really loved it. and i feel like saying that its like making Simon a wizzed is just to far.

but to you it was, but this is the thing, you're never going to get other to see. I'm HUGE fan of CV for years not as long as some, but still long, I've spent my time trying Learn everything a Belmont would,  training in Whip combat other weapons, occult stuff, Spelling  that sort of thing. But i Loved every second of it.

So i think your points falls flat down. but you'll think my points fall down flat. so this was a really pointless post, But I do feel that  The Plot just showed me the light. And helped me see other sides here. and And i feel better for it.

And TBH i'm really sorry that you hated it as there is nothing wose waiting for somehting just then to have ones hopes dashed like sand running down to the sea. I'm not joking here I 100%mean it.

So TBH Thank you Plot Twist frist this,and then the game play.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on November 05, 2018, 08:24:29 PM
I get where Incubus is coming from pretty well. I was hyped for season 2; ask my fiance, I was doing double fist pumps like I was giving duo-handjobs in a pornotastic threesome when I saw the release date. Episode 2-1 nearly lost me, though (should we call each season blocks? lol Block 2-1).

To be blunt, season 2 was a bigger disappointment than the Peter Jackson Tolkien movies. Yes, I am one of the few people out there who hates the Peter Jackson movies for some of the reasons why Incubus is upset about Castlevania. Do I enjoy them? Yes, but I still hate them. When you play a Lego video game based on the movie and you think, "Oh my God, Lego even knew what was missing," then there's an issue.  :rollseyes:

Who the hell were all these vampires and why did they work for Dracula? That was as weak of a fluffer plot device as the demon lords (or whatever they were) from TMNT (the 2007 CGI film). I liked that movie, but the backstory and lack of one was horrible writing. TMNT movies could get away with not explaining the turtles' backstories because you know who they are, but why should we care about the ancient lords? Castlevania is a different story. The characters all need backstory. We got that with Trevor, Sypha, Lisa, Alucard, Dracula, Isaac, Hector, and Carmilla - the main cast - but who the hell were the other valpires? No introduction or backstory or any reason to give a shit about them - a waste of breath.

Slogra and Gaibon got tossed in and killed off on compulsary fashion... Even though they're not supposed to show up in the storyline for another 120 years or so! If you are going to do that, why not just throw Sonia or Shanoa in and kill them off as well?

Leaving out various enemies I am ok with and can understand. But DEATH?!?! HE'S IN NEARLY EVERY SINGLE GAME IN THE FRANCHISE FOR A REASON!! He doesn't even fall under Tom Bombadill Syndrome - he's a core part of the lore! Leaving out Death for two seasons would be like if they left Gollum out of Lord Of The Rings until Return Of The King.

As for Trevor's sword, I think maybe they confused curse Of The Moon with Dracula's Curse. I mean, the series is demonstrating extraordinarily well that Ellis and Deats know practically next to nothing about the source FRANCHISE. Forget just being ignorant of CV3  they are ignorant of everything that only a couple staff members (probably the art director) are familiar with. Someone in the art Department probably made the Belmont lair and Deats was like, "What the hell is all this crap in the background?" Then they explained it to him, and he was probably like, "Really? Oh, okay, yeah let's include that. Glad I thought of it."
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shinobi on November 05, 2018, 11:20:55 PM
As for Trevor's sword, I think maybe they confused curse Of The Moon with Dracula's Curse. I mean, the series is demonstrating extraordinarily well that Ellis and Deats know practically next to nothing about the source FRANCHISE. Forget just being ignorant of CV3  they are ignorant of everything that only a couple staff members (probably the art director) are familiar with. Someone in the art Department probably made the Belmont lair and Deats was like, "What the hell is all this crap in the background?" Then they explained it to him, and he was probably like, "Really? Oh, okay, yeah let's include that. Glad I thought of it."

To be fair, Reinhardt in Castlevania 64 also uses a sword for close quarter situations so it's not really new that a Belmont or atleast related by blood actually uses a sword, even Simon Belmont does in Haunted Castle arcade and also in Kojima's artwork from Castlevania Chronicles, looks way too long for a throwing dagger IMO
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 05, 2018, 11:33:44 PM
To be fair, Reinhardt in Castlevania 64 also uses a sword for close quarter situations so it's not really new that a Belmont or atleast related by blood actually uses a sword, even Simon Belmont does in Haunted Castle arcade and also in Kojima's artwork from Castlevania Chronicles, looks way too long for a throwing dagger IMO

Agreed, belmonts are not new to swords, Leon Belmont himself was a very skilled swordsman despite not having it at the start of lament of Lament of Innocence (artwork shows him with the sword as well) and there is artwork of Richter belmont also having a sword so pretty much there is a history of belmonts who do use swords most likely as "backup" weapons for the most part with the vampire killer obviously being the main weapon for obvious reasons.

So yea we have 3 major belmonts in Leon,Richter, and Simon who all are shown with swords. I think what happened here is that the team decided to give a belmont a sword but unlike the games they decided to make sure that this belmont actually USED that sword on a regular basis lol.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Nagumo on November 06, 2018, 01:22:46 AM
I'm OK with changes to the lore because the show was never advertised to be the canon version of CV3's events. I don't care about historical accuracy, either. (Castlevania has never been historically accurate). For me, I dislike the following: tone, theme, and structure.

I don't have to elaborate about my issues with the tone of this show. With theme, I'm referring to the "science = nobel and enlightened vs faith = corrupt and ignorant " theme from the first season, which makes no sense to put in a Castlevania adaptation because the series isn't about that.

Regarding structure, it's something that botheres me about the LoS series, too: you would expect a Castlevania adaptation to follow the same structure of the games i.e the largest chunk of the story features the protagonists invading Dracula's domain. In the animated show, they rushed through this in one episode, even though it should have been the main focus. And before I get any condescending comments about how this wouldn't work, there are plenty of popular ( shonen) anime/manga that have entire arcs about invading the bad guy's base which also take time to focus on the characters. For example, the end of of the Phantom Blood arc from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (which a lot of Castlevania fans seem to like). I'm sure plenty of people here will disagree but I think it's a missed opportunity they didn't structure a Castlevania show in that manner.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on November 06, 2018, 07:39:58 AM
Regarding structure, it's something that botheres me about the LoS series, too: you would expect a Castlevania adaptation to follow the same structure of the games i.e the largest chunk of the story features the protagonists invading Dracula's domain. In the animated show, they rushed through this in one episode, even though it should have been the main focus. And before I get any condescending comments about how this wouldn't work, there are plenty of popular ( shonen) anime/manga that have entire arcs about invading the bad guy's base which also take time to focus on the characters. For example, the end of of the Phantom Blood arc from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (which a lot of Castlevania fans seem to like). I'm sure plenty of people here will disagree but I think it's a missed opportunity they didn't structure a Castlevania show in that manner.

This x 1000.  I like when we agree.

This, and nerfing the Belmonts are my biggest gripes with anything related to Castlevania.  Both LoS and the Netflix series dropped the ball on both of these.  I don't get why modern producers just seen to hate the idea that the Belmont's can defeat Dracula.  I hope Simon and Richter are ridiculously op in smash.

A lot of people try to give Iga flack about these issues as well, but IMO he elevated the Belmonts and the Castle tremendously.  Not only did he add abundantly to the lore, but he made the Belmonts almost mythic, arguably too powerful to be a primary character.  I dug it.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 06, 2018, 01:48:30 PM
The big part for me is making  two whips instead Just one.
 And I do wonder in season 3 give the whip more background


Like the morning star, IS it meant to be the Vampire Killer. or  has The Vampire Killer has not showed up yet. Or are they not going to address it as they do seem to favour Trevor  using his sword as his main weapon. as I guess they feel that a sword is more of a vampire Hunting weapon. and That's is one thing that I will be un happy about, if the whip starts to take a back seat to his sowrd as the whip is a HUGE part of there history. and so far its been ok. And I've been very happy with the whip action,

He did use his sword to cut the counts head off, but that really meant nothing as he was just about dead anyway, and that does make me worry. But I'll keep my fingers crossed
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on November 06, 2018, 03:19:35 PM
They obviously favored the whip over the sword.   That is a non issue.  Belmonts have been depicted with swords since the Classicvania days.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on November 06, 2018, 06:25:01 PM
iirc, even CV1 conan the Belmont has a sword hilt at his side on the cover.

The whip thing I dont know why people make a big deal out of.

It was clearly meant to be a nod to the fact that the leather whip becomes a chain whip in the games when you upgrade it. And I feel they went about it ok. Trevor's leather whip is clearly holy, but it's probably not that special. The chain whip is the big deal the Belmonts handed down the generations. And it was lost to the hold until Trevor rediscovered it, and then he switched to it. It also reminded me a bit of the LoS chain whip, and reminded me of a really cool tidbit from that I liked, which was how the chain links were quenched in holy water while they were forged.

Not calling it "vampire killer" is fine. I always liked the angle that LoS took, where the moniker was a name given by townsfolk who saw how effective it was on vampires.

Also, calling it Morning Star has obvious religious implications which are kind of strange, given "morning star" is a title often used as a translation for Lucifer, but I figure "sounds holy and cool" so they went with that.

I have to agree on Lisa's obvious atheism being a bit cringeworthy. Although I can swallow the "it has nothing to do with any God". it's a simple but effective misstep. shes not wrong, it doesnt. it's just science. but the Bishop, looking for any reason to confirm the suspicions of her being a witch, immediately grabs on to that.

The "he's actually real" part is the big fedora tip we didn't need.

then again, as with season 1, i have to remind people, this IS Netflix. It probably wouldnt have gotten approved if there wasn't SOME sort of culturally subversive element in it. religion is just the low hanging fruit easy target considering the time period. Be thankful it wasnt worse.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 06, 2018, 06:28:43 PM
They obviously favored the whip over the sword.   That is a non issue.  Belmonts have been depicted with swords since the Classicvania days.
Also, calling it Morning Star has obvious religious implications which are kind of strange, given "morning star" is a title often used as a translation for Lucifer, but I figure "sounds holy and cool" so they went with that.

But only as a back up weapon not there main one, that why it many fans found Simon using a sword HC odd. and my point was I hope that his sword doesn't become his main weapon

Jesus is also known as the Moring star, Revelation 22:16
I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things I for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”



Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on November 07, 2018, 02:15:28 AM
Morning Star has been used to describe Jesus, John The Baptist, the Virgin Mary, the king of Babylon, Phosphorous, Zorya Utrennyaya, and the planet Venus and the star Sirius. Basically it means "brightest celestial figure before the dawn", so it's a fitting name for an upgraded whip used to slay evil because slaying evil with the morning star is bringing light to the end of the dark. Although if we want to get into how it was more of a flail than a morning star........
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 07, 2018, 02:23:41 AM
I honestly think there’s a much simpler reason why it’s the Morningstar whip.  Morningstars are a type of club weapon with a spiked ball on the end of a shaft.  The end of this whip kind of resembles a morningstar, but it’s a whip, so you can see why it’s called that.  It’s nothing to do with religion most likely, and you’re overthinking things.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 07, 2018, 03:42:56 AM
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The end of this whip kind of resembles a morningstar,

it's actually more just a straight-up flanged mace head(although hollow-framed for some reason which would completely kill the momentum's weight, but it's magic oneshot so no trouble there)

the reason is most likely "the original series has a bunch of instances of calling the highest powerup for the whip a morningstar where the term is incorrect, there's a precedent, so let's just call it that too as a referential callback"
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 07, 2018, 04:55:35 AM
Cheers D9. ;D
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 07, 2018, 12:22:06 PM
Another Adi interview.  It’ll be interesting to see how season 3 builds on season 2.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/castlevanias-netflix-showrunner-on-humanizing-villains-1830283324/amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/castlevanias-netflix-showrunner-on-humanizing-villains-1830283324/amp)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 07, 2018, 04:16:14 PM
That final confrontation in episode seven, and the aftermath of it, which Adi speaks about, I got completely.  It was instantly my favourite scene in season two because we saw that human emotion, that conflict, and terror in Alucard’s eyes.  While he’s determined to defeat his father, he’s scared, and still clearly loves his father on some level.  The breakdown in the final scene was grief I feel he would have experienced even in the games, but don’t see on screen.  Later on he has all of the centuries to become cool and stoic and noble... Now though he’s a scared young man, barely an adult, and you see that.  It was a scene which on some levels I’d needed to see.

His comments about Grant seem like potential teaser material, but whether we see Grant on screen or not, I’m doubting it tbh, although the bit some have thought about in episode 8....

  The mentioning of Soma makes me very happy, as the Sorrow gang are another wonderful part of the history and some of my favourite games.  I’ve been hoping since this was announced that Soma and co might get adapted.

  As for this being the Castlevania acinematic AU, yeah, that’s how I’ve been rolling with things all along.   Alucard throwing the comment I was considering going to sleep again in Gresit felt like a nod to the games in a beautiful way while doing its own thing, building its own lore.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 08, 2018, 02:03:21 AM
I'm also happy with the Soma mention. :)
After SOTN, I want the Sorrow arc to be animated.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 08, 2018, 12:30:21 PM
Not sure if I need spoilers for discussing a fan theory about Grant, but since it involves the end of the season, I will just in case.

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 08, 2018, 09:41:13 PM
I honestly think there’s a much simpler reason why it’s the Morningstar whip.  Morningstars are a type of club weapon with a spiked ball on the end of a shaft.  The end of this whip kind of resembles a morningstar, but it’s a whip, so you can see why it’s called that.  It’s nothing to do with religion most likely, and you’re overthinking things.
Its a Game about Holy warriors and Your telling me that the name has nothing  to do with religion... You wanna take then one again son.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on November 09, 2018, 02:10:49 AM
Its a Game about Holy warriors and Your telling me that the name has nothing  to do with religion... You wanna take then one again son.

LOL Even the stages had religion in them. And even the main villain of the series was Catholic! (or renounced it and was too lazy to redecorate his castle afterward)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Inccubus on November 09, 2018, 07:32:27 AM
it's actually more just a straight-up flanged mace head(although hollow-framed for some reason which would completely kill the momentum's weight, but it's magic oneshot so no trouble there)

the reason is most likely "the original series has a bunch of instances of calling the highest powerup for the whip a morningstar where the term is incorrect, there's a precedent, so let's just call it that too as a referential callback"

Don't forget that the 4th whip upgrade in CV2 was also called the morningstar.
In that case it literally just added a morningstar head onto the end of the chain whip.

Could just be coincidence, but the way they presented it in the show COULD be a reference to how the Morning Star whip upgrades to the Flame Whip in CV2.


So is there a salty old bastard award I could get for my unending hatred for this cartoon?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 09, 2018, 07:35:07 AM
son.

seraph's a woman
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 09, 2018, 08:35:53 AM
seraph's a woman
As our good pal Trevor Belmont would say (or something he would say)

I just don't care
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on November 09, 2018, 09:29:44 AM
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seraph's a woman

There's no gender motif on TatteredSeraph's profile so maybe Guy Belmont couldn't tell. But then again 'Queen of the Damned' could also be a dead giveaway. I don't know  :-\
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Holy Diver on November 09, 2018, 09:34:27 AM
Not sure if I need spoilers for discussing a fan theory about Grant, but since it involves the end of the season, I will just in case.

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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 09, 2018, 06:22:53 PM
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Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Abnormal Freak on November 09, 2018, 06:56:06 PM
Yo, so this show already has excessive gore and the fuckity-fuck word thrown about every episode, so why aren't there rockin' bosoms to fill the quota of things angsty 12-year-old boys think are cool?



'Cos I want naked boobies.



Grant woulda been neat 'cos having him hop around clinging to walls and ceilings and throwing daggers woulda been super cool for the action scenes. Aside from that, his absence doesn't affect the story any, IMO.


For all the dumb things this show does, it's overall a lot of fun and I dig it.

Also, "Bloody Tears" was cool, but I don't really know how this show could add in more songs from the games without it coming off really fanservicey and totally stupid, though that's just my opinion I guess, WOOOOOOOO.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 09, 2018, 07:23:50 PM
Also, "Bloody Tears" was cool, but I don't really know how this show could add in more songs from the games without it coming off really fanservicey and totally stupid, though that's just my opinion I guess, WOOOOOOOO.

honestly?

by using tracks that aren't so universally famous even casual fans and nonfans know them

'cause i'll betcha hearing abandoned pit in an underground area wouldn't feel overly fanservicey and cheap like slamming VK every major battle hypothetically would
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Flame on November 10, 2018, 10:07:14 AM
despite
>kotaku
*spit*
that was a fairly interesting interview to get a little bit inside Adi's head.

I like the dude, and I wish he'd get more Hollywood work. he's what happens when you take a kid who grew up on 80's and 90's Action movie reruns and give him power.

His answer on Grant seems a bit of a generic way of saying "we didnt feel like including him, but he's out there, you just dont see him!!!" That said, the idea that one of the guys killed by Isaac might be Grant, isnt a bad theory. And can create some character development, as with the shoe on the other foot, he repents for what he's done in the past and becomes a "good guy".

Hell, it'd be a better take than his mirror of Fate cameo
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 11, 2018, 07:51:13 AM
There's no gender motif on TatteredSeraph's profile so maybe Guy Belmont couldn't tell. But then again 'Queen of the Damned' could also be a dead giveaway. I don't know  :-\

It's also not like I've never said im a woman.  The QotD title tag does indeed give it away as well.

As for Guy - you say you don't care and try passing it off as a Trevor quote.  Im willing to bet you'd be up in arms sulking if you got called a woman, or daughter.  Saying you don't care comes across as rather sexist quite frankly.  As Sypha said, 'He's rude’.  I do not appreciate being card a man, as it is hardly a gender neutral thing to call someone 'don't.  Please don't call me that again. 

As for the Morningstar reasoning and the themes relating to religion and other hints in the thematic of the series as well as just being a game reference, I'm more willing to bet that Warren called the whip that as a non religious reasoning first but the religious subtext would likely be amusingly ironic.  There are different ways and layers the name can be read and reasoned, but it would surprise me if the religious reasoning was the first one.  Maybe ask Sam Deats or Warren Ellis on social Media?  Or ask Adi Shankar.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 11, 2018, 10:20:36 AM
It's also not like I've never said im a woman.  The QotD title tag does indeed give it away as well.

As for Guy - you say you don't care and try passing it off as a Trevor quote.  Im willing to bet you'd be up in arms sulking if you got called a woman, or daughter.  Saying you don't care comes across as rather sexist quite frankly.  As Sypha said, 'He's rude’.  I do not appreciate being card a man, as it is hardly a gender neutral thing to call someone 'don't.  Please don't call me that again. 

As for the Morningstar reasoning and the themes relating to religion and other hints in the thematic of the series as well as just being a game reference, I'm more willing to bet that Warren called the whip that as a non religious reasoning first but the religious subtext would likely be amusingly ironic.  There are different ways and layers the name can be read and reasoned, but it would surprise me if the religious reasoning was the first one.  Maybe ask Sam Deats or Warren Ellis on social Media?  Or ask Adi Shankar.

I have very blonde hair its about down to my shoulders , and still to this day I get called love or girl. And guess what it really doesn't bother me, its just one if those things. So no I'm not up in arms about it. it happens so much one just gets used to it.

And if you really cared about this then have your gender Icon up.  As so this does not  happen to you again, as being called queen of the dammed is not really a good guide as I known men who have that sort thing up.

And i talk to you as i talk to any person. So grow up.

As for the for the whip, again i Think it be hard to miss, it was the first thing i thought of.



Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 11, 2018, 11:11:42 AM
Grow up?  I honestly think here that it’s you who needs to grow up here considering how rude you’ve been in reply to anyone who’s pointed out that I’m not a bloke, rather than do the polite thing and apologise.  You are being sexist here.

Mods, apologies that this has ended up derailing the thread.  However, attitudes like that I will call out, as much as I’m not in the mood for an arguement.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 11, 2018, 12:20:06 PM
Grow up?  I honestly think here that it’s you who needs to grow up here considering how rude you’ve been in reply to anyone who’s pointed out that I’m not a bloke, rather than do the polite thing and apologise.  You are being sexist here.

Mods, apologies that this has ended up derailing the thread.  However, attitudes like that I will call out, as much as I’m not in the mood for an arguement.

Don't see how I'm being sexist, treating you as I treat anyone. Its your problem not mine, I got your sex wrong, deal with it and its happened to me, its happen to every one once in there life, now  act your age and let this go.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 11, 2018, 12:30:52 PM
It’s your rude dismissal and lack of care when it was pointed out that you labelled me as a bloke, then had it pointed out that I’m not.  That’s pretty sexist.  Calling you out on that is hardly immature.  You were rude in your reply when I asked please don’t call me ‘son’, when the decent, and mature thing for you to have done would have been for you to say a simple ‘I’m sorry’. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 11, 2018, 12:40:54 PM
It’s your rude dismissal and lack of care when it was pointed out that you labelled me as a bloke, then had it pointed out that I’m not.  That’s pretty sexist.  Calling you out on that is hardly immature.  You were rude in your reply when I asked please don’t call me ‘son’, when the decent, and mature thing for you to have done would have been for you to say a simple ‘I’m sorry’.

That's not sexist, if I thought someone was women and they were in fact a man and it played out my just like this has, my

attitude would still be the same  grow up and get over it.
And If you care so much about being missed identified  then bloody put your gender icon on. I own you no Apologies. Again this is your prob no move on and lets get back to topic.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 11, 2018, 02:34:55 PM
That's not sexist, if I thought someone was women and they were in fact a man and it played out my just like this has, my

attitude would still be the same  grow up and get over it.
And If you care so much about being missed identified  then bloody put your gender icon on. I own you no Apologies. Again this is your prob no move on and lets get back to topic.

Well thinking it over , I did come off a bit hard, so


 I'm  Very sorry for mistaking you for a man and calling you son.  I hope you can expect  my Apologie
Sorry just saw I Double posted.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 11, 2018, 02:56:29 PM
Thank you.  It was that lack of apology, saying I don’t care that I made a mistake when others pointed it out, which is what came across as rather sexist.  It’s a case of check your male privilege.  Not only that, it was just plain rude.  Thank you for apologising though now, I accept it.

Now, let’s just return to what we’re here for, which is to discuss Castlevania.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TheouAegis on November 11, 2018, 10:59:48 PM
 :'( This brought a tear to my eyes...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 12, 2018, 11:06:37 AM
:'( This brought a tear to my eyes...
Well you know.
thinking more on it real life has been hard, and i was just takeing it out, and sadly seraph got carught in the cross fire,
and I was lucky that she forgave me. as I was assey

So its nice that it has been bought to a happy  end.

Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 12, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
Just as a point, I prefer Tattered or Tat as a shortening rather than Seraph.  I've used the name for so long it's ended up the main shortening people as a whole use as a nickname so I end up feeling like im being called by my surname if I get called Seraph. :)

Life can be hard, for most people.  Thank you though for being able to be able to accept the reason for the fault like that.  Like I said though I'm not in a mood for arguements, as I've been going through a rough patch following major surgery several weeks ago.  So all is good now, which I'm glad for.

Tbh it was Castlevania season two and excitement for it which got me through a fair bit, something bright to look forward to to follow from the horrible night.  It ended up a very good output for me once it went up.  Now I can't wait for season three.  The concept art and canary that even the official artists are putting out is wonderful.  The Sailor Moon Sypha was especially cute.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 12, 2018, 05:56:30 PM
The concept art and canary that even the official artists are putting out is wonderful.  The Sailor Moon Sypha was especially cute.
Is this on Twitter?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 12, 2018, 06:16:22 PM
Is this on Twitter?

https://twitter.com/jazzvalkyrie/status/1060331034338824198

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrcNLweUUAA86FX.jpg)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on November 12, 2018, 06:35:17 PM
There's your answer.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 12, 2018, 06:42:41 PM
Yup, that’s the one, D9!  Sorry I couldn’t link it on my phone when posting.

In other news, Alucard has taken back c9ntrol on the official Twitter.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 12, 2018, 08:20:12 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 13, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
Just as a point, I prefer Tattered or Tat as a shortening rather than Seraph.  I've used the name for so long it's ended up the main shortening people as a whole use as a nickname so I end up feeling like im being called by my surname if I get called Seraph. :)

Life can be hard, for most people.  Thank you though for being able to be able to accept the reason for the fault like that.  Like I said though I'm not in a mood for arguements, as I've been going through a rough patch following major surgery several weeks ago.  So all is good now, which I'm glad for.

Tbh it was Castlevania season two and excitement for it which got me through a fair bit, something bright to look forward to to follow from the horrible night.  It ended up a very good output for me once it went up.  Now I can't wait for season three.  The concept art and canary that even the official artists are putting out is wonderful.  The Sailor Moon Sypha was especially cute.
Oh sorry to hear about your Surgery, really sorry, hope you feeling better.
and yes I can't wait for season 3 too, and I agree its great seeing all the stuff that's coming out. Art, merchandise and what not. so yeah its nice to see life back in to CV,

Also saw this thought this was cool,

(https://i.imgur.com/DPMd9qP.png)
This is the affect  the Morning Star has when it hits somehting.



(https://i.imgur.com/nH11Zah.png)
 Its VeryIts Very it's similar to the affect the Vampire Killer Whip had in PoR.
I saw this the day it aired, ment to upload sooner, I love how they did this.






Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 14, 2018, 02:31:02 AM
That was a good spot!  It’s little touches like this that show what fans the animators are.

I’m on the mend, bit by bit, just slowly, and it’s driving me up the wall. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 14, 2018, 05:25:18 PM
That was a good spot!  It’s little touches like this that show what fans the animators are.

I’m on the mend, bit by bit, just slowly, and it’s driving me up the wall.
Oh I'm so sorry there's nothing bloody worse then, I'm so sorry, I hope things get better from here on in.


Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 15, 2018, 10:12:29 AM
Some sketches and art from the series.  God I’d love it if they’d release an artbook at some point. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/the-art-of-castlevanias-netflix-series-1830393913/amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/the-art-of-castlevanias-netflix-series-1830393913/amp)

Also, another Adi interview.  He makes a mention of the possibility of Death in universe.  It would have been nice if he was in there already, but that might have been trying to cram too much in.  It wad nice to at least have devil forgery and vampires at this point.  I wonder if it will follow LoI canon and have it so that Dracula had already met him at this point, or if they’d be introduced later. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2018/11/14/adi-shankar-on-the-success-of-castlevania-and-his-crusade-to-have-animation-taken-seriously/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2018/11/14/adi-shankar-on-the-success-of-castlevania-and-his-crusade-to-have-animation-taken-seriously/amp/)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 15, 2018, 04:07:32 PM
Oh I'm so sorry there's nothing bloody worse then, I'm so sorry, I hope things get better from here on in.

On the plus side, two months along the line, I’m finally able to walk short distances without a walking stick if I’m not carrying anything, and finally given the ok to drive again if I’m careful.

As for the sketches and backgrounds, that’s some seriously nice art.  I’ve seen Sam Deats respond on Tumblr and Twitter to numerous requests for an art book, and it seems like it’s something that they’re looking into the possibility of.  I’d be preordering one in a heartbeat.  This stuff is seriously pretty.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 16, 2018, 04:44:34 PM
Looks like Devil May Cry will be Adi’s next series.  He says it’ll be in a multi-verse as Castlevania.  I’d guess not the same world, but a crossover of some kind might be possible.  Maybe have a character from one series go to the other universe, or maybe just make the a character or element exist in both universes.  Or maybe it’s just a thematic, artistic, or production link.

http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 16, 2018, 05:25:26 PM
I hope that it’s better than the original Devil May Cry anime series, which never even showed Dante’s DT.  When I saw the news though, I was thinking hmmm while Alucard meeting Dante is more likely, as two half breed hunters, Trevor meeting Dante would be amusing considering their equally potty mouths.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 16, 2018, 05:39:54 PM
I loved the dmc anime lol.  Anyways, I’m so glad these series have this connection now.  Makes me want to take dmc a little more seriously.  For me, dmc was always something to play while waiting for a Castlevania game to come out on a new system, but i never dug deep into it.

Too bad for Legend of Zelda fans.  Hope they get something soon.  Maybe it’ll be a future member of the “bootleg multiverse”, ha.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 16, 2018, 05:46:22 PM
There were some really nice bits to it, but it felt like it fell short at times.  The little girl hanging round Dante was annoying as hell. 

It should be interesting though to see in what ways the universes connect - I’m guessing possibly a hell one?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 16, 2018, 07:10:28 PM
On the plus side, two months along the line, I’m finally able to walk short distances without a walking stick if I’m not carrying anything, and finally given the ok to drive again if I’m careful.

I hope it will get easier, I feel very sorry, as it sounds really rough :-[, really I'm sorry. hope you'r feel better today as well.  :)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: VladCT on November 16, 2018, 07:37:05 PM
Looks like Devil May Cry will be Adi’s next series.  He says it’ll be in a multi-verse as Castlevania.  I’d guess not the same world, but a crossover of some kind might be possible.  Maybe have a character from one series go to the other universe, or maybe just make the a character or element exist in both universes.  Or maybe it’s just a thematic, artistic, or production link.

http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/)
Honestly, I'm just hoping it's not Tameem May Cry all over again. My judgment's gonna focus mainly on how they handle Dante's personality in the adaptation.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Mysterii on November 16, 2018, 09:00:14 PM
Considering all this talk about DMC, I really hope that Adi gets Ruben Langdon to reprise his role as Dante, seeing as he is Dante (vocally and for motion capture) for all intents and purposes.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 16, 2018, 11:46:02 PM
>dmc and cv in one universe

assuming source lore remains relatively intact, this has the potential to be an absolutely terrible idea if done poorly

hope he doesn't fuck it up
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: VladCT on November 17, 2018, 12:49:38 AM
Considering that one's a Capcom IP while the other's a Konami IP, I doubt he literally meant their lore will be crossing over with each other unless they've been in talks beforehand.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 17, 2018, 05:31:53 AM
No plz god no don't... out of season April fools joke plz...
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 17, 2018, 05:49:04 AM
i mean the sparda stuff went down 1000 years before lament's time, so THAT part works

but mundus poses a problem considering he's actively demon emperor during drac's 900 years

but ¯\_ :rollseyes: _/¯ who knows about IP talks though
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Belmontoya on November 17, 2018, 06:15:08 AM
Well, they gotta get all the fans of the CV series to cross over and check it out somehow right?

I've never played DMC so I don't really care about it.

This makes more sense to me as a marketing strategy than it does a sensible narrative.

Unless perhaps it's a shared aesthetic and not a literal character cross over situation.

I would prefer all that energy and focus to stay fixed on CV.

But it's all good. Like I said I'm not a DMC fan so I'll likely pass on it anyways.

There are so many shows I need to watch that I've barely seen...

I still need to finish season 2. 😬
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 17, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
I hope it will get easier, I feel very sorry, as it sounds really rough :-[, really I'm sorry. hope you'r feel better today as well.  :)

Well, the week of mainly bed rest that I had last week did wonders.  I drove today at last!  Two months after surgery, wooohooo!  I treated my friends who’ve been helping me out to pizza as a thank you, as they came with me in case I found it was too soon to drive, and too painful to be able to drive.  But hey, I’m seeing this as a few months of discomfort and inconvenience vs the decades of pain that I’ve been in, because my old GO wouldn’t investigate the source of the pain.

As for the DMC shared multiverse, I likewise hope that it’s not too much of a crossover tbh.  A shared look and aesthetic and tone I wouldn’t be against.  If they go for the same kind of animation style as Castlevania I’d be really quite happy with that.  Seeing as personally I’ve really liked what they’ve done with Castlevania, I have faith in them for Devil May Cry.  I’ve got the first three games, I just suck at them.  But I love the universe. 
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shinobi on November 17, 2018, 10:06:36 AM
No plz god no don't... out of season April fools joke plz...

D...Don't you have any phones? LOL
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on November 17, 2018, 01:49:00 PM
Looks like Devil May Cry will be Adi’s next series.  He says it’ll be in a multi-verse as Castlevania.  I’d guess not the same world, but a crossover of some kind might be possible.  Maybe have a character from one series go to the other universe, or maybe just make the a character or element exist in both universes.  Or maybe it’s just a thematic, artistic, or production link.

http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/)

Probably just a production link, I doubt they would do a serious crossover. If this really gets going, what the production team needs to do is go in the exact opposite direction of what Castlevania did. Castlevania can actually work with a more complex plot and grimmer tone due to the subject matter (Gothic Horror and whatnot) and the fact that the Belmonts and Dracula are engaged in a feud spanning nearly 1000 years and Dracula himself is a very complex, and even at times tragic figure.

For DMC, they need to make it as absurd as possible. The thing about DMC is that it's almost a preemptive satire of the "dark and grim' video game setting that's become all the rage nowadays ever since stuff like Dark Souls took off. The DMC setting, at face value, should be a grim, dark, serious setting with stuff like demons, invading armies of hell, dark magic, secret underworlds, that sort of stuff. But Dante changes EVERYTHING. Bosses speak in operatic manners all the time, giving these grandiose speeches and challenges with Dante responding via smartass remarks and with devil may care attitude. He makes the tone shift from "this is very serious and horrifying" to "this hilarious and freaking awesome!" That's part of the reason why the attempted reboot failed (aside from bad writing, bad storytelling, irritating characters, gutless commentary, and amateur game design); it tried to make a straight version of what DMC was making fun of. That's so stupid.

Also, keep in mind we have a DMC thread here:

https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=9510.0 (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=9510.0)
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 17, 2018, 02:13:21 PM
For DMC, they need to make it as absurd as possible. The thing about DMC is that it's almost a preemptive satire of the "dark and grim' video game setting that's become all the rage nowadays ever since stuff like Dark Souls took off.

faust hat

that is all
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 17, 2018, 10:41:54 PM
Maybe the two shows will be tied together with only little easter eggs that don’t really mean anything.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on November 18, 2018, 09:12:13 AM
Guys, if anyone had followed this guys work at all you would know that literally every fan product this guy has made is part of his "bootleg multiverse."  So a cross over between Castlevania and Devil May Cry is about as likely as a crossover with Dredd, or Power Rangers.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on November 18, 2018, 09:48:06 AM
Guys, if anyone had followed this guys work at all you would know that literally every fan product this guy has made is part of his "bootleg multiverse."  So a cross over between Castlevania and Devil May Cry is about as likely as a crossover with Dredd, or Power Rangers.

Pretty much this, and I've also been telling people who asked my opinion the same thing.

If you're familiar with Shankar you know that 1) he says these kinds of hype-generating one liners all the time knowing full well what he's doing and 2) his "bootleg multiverse" has existed for some years now, in the shape of separate Venom, Dredd, Punisher and Power Rangers "Bootleg Universes".

Visit Shankar's channel. You'll see that Castlevania has belonged on a "Bootleg Universe" of its own for a while. This talk of multiverse isn't exactly news to his persona.

All he truly said is that Devil May Cry is joining his "style" of doing stuff. He just gave it the "Bootleg Multiverse" name.

PS: I would still not rule out a crossover. Shankar likes his fanfiction and is basically Super Waffle with more influence. I'm just saying it's a bit too early to jump to "crossover" conclusions based on a specific wording that Shankar knows exactly what means.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: AlexCalvo on November 18, 2018, 10:37:16 AM
I'm sure he would do it if he could.  And I would be totally down, DMC is my 2nd favorite game series, and with some light universe tweeking it could work out fine.  That said, I doubt Konami and Capcom would ever sign off on this.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 18, 2018, 10:35:11 PM
PS: I would still not rule out a crossover. Shankar likes his fanfiction and is basically Super Waffle with more influence.

Oh boy, I'm so happy I didn't take a drink while reading this or it would have splattered on the PC screen. Hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 19, 2018, 09:44:45 AM
Well, the week of mainly bed rest that I had last week did wonders.  I drove today at last!  Two months after surgery, wooohooo!  I treated my friends who’ve been helping me out to pizza as a thank you, as they came with me in case I found it was too soon to drive, and too painful to be able to drive.  But hey, I’m seeing this as a few months of discomfort and inconvenience vs the decades of pain that I’ve been in, because my old GO wouldn’t investigate the source of the pain.

As for the DMC shared multiverse, I likewise hope that it’s not too much of a crossover tbh.  A shared look and aesthetic and tone I wouldn’t be against.  If they go for the same kind of animation style as Castlevania I’d be really quite happy with that.  Seeing as personally I’ve really liked what they’ve done with Castlevania, I have faith in them for Devil May Cry.  I’ve got the first three games, I just suck at them.  But I love the universe.
Well I'm glad you things seem to be getting better, but i'm sorry they  didn't investigate  were the pain was coming from till now. Its very shocking  to hear  as  you've been in pain for so long, but I'm glad things hopefully will pick up from here.



Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on November 19, 2018, 10:38:07 AM
Cheers, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 19, 2018, 12:24:47 PM
Cheers, much appreciated.
No prob.

Also found this as I was just Looking over the Belmont hold again i'm sure others found this too but if not here.


(https://i.imgur.com/1GPcMME.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4SJ3IjP.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/BUkrrHl.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/V8SLDqL.png)

I mean this show just keeps getting better and better its  filled with so much EEs
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Aiddon on November 19, 2018, 12:36:01 PM
No prob.

Also found this as I was just Looking over the Belmont hold again i'm sure others found this too but if not here.


(https://i.imgur.com/1GPcMME.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4SJ3IjP.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/BUkrrHl.png)
I mean this show just keeps getting better and better.

Oh yeah, the library has whacked out loads of Easter Eggs. If you actually look at them closely, they even have the cataloging numbers from the SOTN bestiary
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 19, 2018, 12:45:53 PM
Oh yeah, the library has whacked out loads of Easter Eggs. If you actually look at them closely, they even have the cataloging numbers from the SOTN bestiary
Hmmm they did really well with all that.


(https://i.imgur.com/E2K1pi6.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Rc5iqKD.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/gOWdDAR.png)
I thought this was cool really, really Cool.
(click to show/hide)

 and the other side has a map, it looks like the one from CV 3, BUT it also has Hits on both the maps seen in Loi and DoS and Simon's quest.
I mean This is amazing, the detail of these refs just blows my mind, I love this show.


Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 21, 2018, 09:51:23 AM
I hope Alucard employs the Master Librarian to help with all that stuff in the belmont library.  Maybe even look after it while he takes his centuries long nap.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 21, 2018, 08:14:32 PM
I hope Alucard employs the Master Librarian to help with all that stuff in the belmont library.  Maybe even look after it while he takes his centuries long nap.
... Have... have you been reading my fanfiction or something?  Like... this was the premise of an entire chapter... >_>
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on November 22, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
Is the Master Librarian capable of leaving Castlevania? I thought he was bound to it or something.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: theplottwist on November 22, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
Is the Master Librarian capable of leaving Castlevania? I thought he was bound to it or something.

Different universe, different rules (also no word that he can't leave the castle or something, we don't even know what he's supposed to be, a ghost, vampire, etc).
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Dracula9 on November 22, 2018, 03:27:37 PM
[...] we don't even know what he's supposed to be, a ghost, vampire, etc.

librarian

he is a librarian

his species is librarian of the genus master
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Guy Belmont on November 22, 2018, 08:04:31 PM
I hope Alucard employs the Master Librarian to help with all that stuff in the belmont library.  Maybe even look after it while he takes his centuries long nap.
You never know, that how we may get the Alucard spear in the Netflix universe, by mixing the counts  knowledge of science and magic, and the Belmont's knowledge of hunting and magic. I think that be cool. as I always believed that the Alucard made the spear, by texts he found in the  his family's  book of secret arts.

So i thought in the TV show, it be cool if he made the spear from a mix of both, a nice way to call back to it but give it a new life too.


Ad thinking about it Gandolfi most likely used other stuff he found in the book, to make the armour  he sold, and on a bigger note, maybe others used stuff from that book.  So that why stuff like holy armour and what not, find there way  into the castle as there maybe a link.

As the stuff you sometimes find there seem to work against the counts plans.

But that's just  what i think.  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 22, 2018, 11:26:03 PM
... Have... have you been reading my fanfiction or something?  Like... this was the premise of an entire chapter... >_>
no, but maybe i should.  where can i find it?
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 24, 2018, 09:27:48 AM
no, but maybe i should.  where can i find it?
Uh, I'll just give you a relevant excerpt:
(click to show/hide)

Hmm, now that I'm re-reading it, I'm not too pleased.  That's what I get for writing in the middle of the night.  I may have to tweak it.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Long John Silver on November 24, 2018, 02:55:13 PM
The "he's actually real" part is the big fedora tip we didn't need.
best part is that she's wrong about that too. in season 1 demons confirm to the bishop that god (and thus, also satan) are real. lisa's screwed when she gets to the afterlife.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 25, 2018, 05:34:06 AM
best part is that she's wrong about that too. in season 1 demons confirm to the bishop that god (and thus, also satan) are real. lisa's screwed when she gets to the afterlife.
Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine).  Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.

It's worth pointing out that the video games don't align with typical Christianity either; they have reincarnation in their plots and such.  If the show decides to get into that, too, and if Mina is included and they make it clear that she is Lisa reincarnated (which, I mean... come on, that's what she is), then the subject of the afterlife becomes a bit murky.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on November 25, 2018, 10:10:20 AM
Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine).  Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.

It's worth pointing out that the video games don't align with typical Christianity either; they have reincarnation in their plots and such.  If the show decides to get into that, too, and if Mina is included and they make it clear that she is Lisa reincarnated (which, I mean... come on, that's what she is), then the subject of the afterlife becomes a bit murky.

Honestly, I don't think reincarnation is a huge stick in the mud for Christianity as a whole if you already acknowledge the existence of both miracles and the Resurrection of Christ.
While I personally disagree that Mina must be a reincarnation of Lisa, there's nothing in the general Christian dogma that outright discounts it -- if one accepts that God is all knowing and all powerful, who are we to tell Him what He's allowed to do with his time, especially as it pertains to the redemption of the ultimate lost and wayward soul?

I mean, I personally think that Mina could just as easily be someone Soma met, whether by chance, fate, or divine providence. And she happened to be the RIGHT someone. God may have ordained that the same process or force that caused Dracula's soul to recycle and be reborn as Soma Cruz do the same for Lisa. That being said: I feel that, since escaping the "cycle" of Dracula is Plot Element Number One of Soma's arc, having Lisa (a major component of the cycle, if not the most major) be tied up in that would actually sabotage the purpose of Soma's reincarnation. Letting go of the past is the biggest part of moving on, after all. This is why I think it serves the story arc a bit better to have Mina be the "someone new" that gets what's left of Dracula to move on from Lisa; now unchained from his past in every way, Soma is free to choose his path in a way Dracula wasn't able to.

Having Lisa involved in all of that just mucks up the storytelling, in my opinion. You CAN tell the same story with that, but I just think it gets needlessly complicated and a little less beautiful/meaningful.

But then again, I'm not about to tell the Big G how to do His business either.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: X on November 25, 2018, 11:18:59 AM
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Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine).  Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.

I can agree with this. Just because someone doesn't believe in the full set of Christianity doesn't automatically mean he's/she's going to be damned for all eternity. That's just a scare tactic invented/employed by the long-since defunct Roman Empire. It's got nothing to do with Jesus' actual teachings. The wonderful thing about us is that we have Free Will. One of god's gifts to us. We decide what we want or don't want to believe in. It's all up to us, not some religious institution. Take what you believe in and leave the rest that you'd consider garbage behind. But that's not to say we can't be damned of course, because we can. But only if we turn away from god willingly. See? Again, it's our choice. Nobody's going to condemn us because they can't. They don't control us in anyway shape or form. Excommunication by the so-called church authorities is garbage. We do it to ourselves because we are the masters of our own lives. But most are never taught this in religion. And for very specific reasons. I don't believe that Lisa, a woman whom loves Dracula and helps the ill and infirm, would be condemned by god for her actions. Love is the power of god (Love, Light and Sound actually). God could have very well been reaching out to Dracula and the people through Lisa and her unyielding devotion to them (as god works in mysterious ways), but the Church authorities wouldn't see it that way. And so they condemned her to death.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 25, 2018, 12:38:38 PM
If I recall correctly, Pope Francis indicated that he believes atheists can go to heaven, but I am not a Catholic so I don't pay much attention.

That being said: I feel that, since escaping the "cycle" of Dracula is Plot Element Number One of Soma's arc, having Lisa (a major component of the cycle, if not the most major) be tied up in that would actually sabotage the purpose of Soma's reincarnation. Letting go of the past is the biggest part of moving on, after all. This is why I think it serves the story arc a bit better to have Mina be the "someone new" that gets what's left of Dracula to move on from Lisa; now unchained from his past in every way, Soma is free to choose his path in a way Dracula wasn't able to.

Having Lisa involved in all of that just mucks up the storytelling, in my opinion. You CAN tell the same story with that, but I just think it gets needlessly complicated and a little less beautiful/meaningful.
That's an interesting perspective on Mina's role in the story.  Tbh, I just wish the series had actually clarified whether or not she was because it bothers me that it was never addressed.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 25, 2018, 11:44:07 PM
Uh, I'll just give you a relevant excerpt:
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Hmm, now that I'm re-reading it, I'm not too pleased.  That's what I get for writing in the middle of the night.  I may have to tweak it.
Oh thanks for that, I liked where it seemed to be heading.
Title: Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
Post by: TatteredSeraph on December 04, 2018, 05:21:21 PM
Well, that sucks.  It looks like there’s only a US/Canada regional version of the blu-ray and dvd release of Castlevania season one.  I’m rather disappointed in that.