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Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« on: March 12, 2017, 11:17:41 PM »
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They were outcasts pre-Dracula's Curse so either they settled somewhere remote or they were nomads and lived off wherever they wandered.

But what about afterward? Did they live among the people who shunned them or did they continue to live apart from them and show up as needed? Could they even have had a whole village to themselves ala Wygol? Some thoughts would be nice.

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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2017, 12:22:52 AM »
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They were outcasts pre-Dracula's Curse so either they settled somewhere remote or they were nomads and lived off wherever they wandered.

But what about afterward? Did they live among the people who shunned them or did they continue to live apart from them and show up as needed? Could they even have had a whole village to themselves ala Wygol? Some thoughts would be nice.

IGA stated that, upon Simon's victory over Dracula, a village started to build around the Belmonts, and that Juste grew up on this environment, being respected by the people thanks to the Belmont name. So yes, this could suggest that there was indeed a village formed with the intent to be next to the Belmonts due to respect and as their protectors.

However, previous to Juste and Simon, there's already the idea that the Belmonts are living amongst the people just fine. Christopher's legend already existed amongst the people by the time of Simon, for instance. Yet, Simon's story says that, until his victories, the people were not very friendly to the Belmonts at all, which is a strange thing considering they have saved the world three times now AND Christopher's got his own bitchin' legend. This could be a contradiction, OR could mean that the people forgot what the Belmonts did for them (which makes sense if you consider that, by Simon's time, Dracula's legacy is treated as merely a legend).

Simon's/Juste's story above may also mean that they started spreading their influence around. By Rondo's time, Maria and Annette live in the same town (Aljiba). Maria is distantly related to the Belmonts and is the daughter of aristocrats. While we don't know if Richter lived on Aljiba, this could mean that the village that formed around the Belmonts previously increased their local influence by quite a bit, with Belmont offshoots also spreading everywhere and holding positions of elite.

During Nocturne of Recollection we learn that the Belmonts even have rival clans now, which could further show that their influence by Richter's time is wide enough for clans to compete. This is also demonstrated by Shaft's assertion that the Belmonts are the strongest vampire hunters -- he had to learn that from somewhere, and I'm betting this comes from word of mouth of the people.

So, I'd say that, after Trevor's time they started being more accepted by the people, but their exploits did not live long as facts, being soon relegated to folk tales. This made the people ungrateful, but they didn't outright shun the Belmonts until Simon went and kicked Dracula's ass so hard that the people had no choice but to hail the Belmonts as heroes and form an entire village around them.

EDIT: Welp, I removed one citation about Dracula's legend. I distinctly remember one version of it saying something but now that I went to check, I couldn't find it. If I do, I'll cite it again.
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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2017, 12:29:48 AM »
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One would assume that they lived in a remote village such as Wygol, away from the prying eyes of society after CVIII. Being that the Belmonts were known to hunt monsters and such, but they are feared by regular Wallachians, it makes sense that they'd choose somewhere others wouldn't necessarily be able to intrude on or see what they were doing. Also as shown in OOE, not all of them were warriors, there would have been other relatives/ descendants who had different expertise and contributed in different ways.

I'm certain the Japanese manuals would hold more information, particularly with the older games. For instance, CV1's manual in Japanese mentions a the previous hero "Christopher" being celebrated in the context of a town/village (not an exact quote, so don't quote me word-for-word), and Simon having gone to face Dracula. Therefore one could say that this place was the town where at least the Belmont's direct bloodline and heir to the VK resided.

It also just occurred to me that in the English version of SOTN (the second best ending) Richter says something to Maria like "Let's go, everyone's waiting for us". If this is an acceptable translation, then we can assume they come from the same place.
In truth we can probably assume this anyway, given that in Rondo's first stage, the town of Aljiba has been set on fire and the track playing is suitably named "Opposing Bloodlines". Being that the women and Maria were kidnapped from the town, it's somewhat safe to assume they all hail from the same approximate location. Just my two cents.
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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2017, 03:45:04 AM »
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Sweden.

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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2017, 04:29:31 AM »
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Some remote Transylvanian place, guess.

Julius moved to Japan after 1999. Don't think an amnesic man can book a plane nor know anything about his real home.

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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2017, 05:04:12 AM »
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Some remote Transylvanian place, guess.

Julius moved to Japan after 1999. Don't think an amnesic man can book a plane nor know anything about his real home.

Or was he moved to Japan during his "memory loss" after leaving Castlevania victorious, via a third party knowing he would not recall his past?  (Arikado could have done this for example, and is the only person out of the Sorrow Series who would have been at the battle of 1999)

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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2017, 06:25:26 AM »
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IGA stated that, upon Simon's victory over Dracula, a village started to build around the Belmonts, and that Juste grew up on this environment, being respected by the people thanks to the Belmont name.
Hey plot, just curious, but where did Iga say this?  I've never seen it.
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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2017, 06:30:32 AM »
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Or was he moved to Japan during his "memory loss" after leaving Castlevania victorious, via a third party knowing he would not recall his past?  (Arikado could have done this for example, and is the only person out of the Sorrow Series who would have been at the battle of 1999)

I dunno much. It might be, like how Soma drifted away in AoS, Julius might have drifet away, spawned in different place and didn't have any chance of meeting any of 1999 participants until AoS.

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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 07:12:26 AM »
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Hey plot, just curious, but where did Iga say this?  I've never seen it.



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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2017, 07:39:01 AM »
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A village named Belmont.
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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2017, 07:39:43 AM »
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I wonder how many of them lived in the mountains.


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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2017, 08:16:09 AM »
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I wonder how many of them lived in the mountains.

Well, they made a whole goddamn village by Juste's time and in Rondo intro they seem pretty populated.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2017, 08:19:59 AM »
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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2017, 04:28:31 PM »
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They lived in Persia, obviously.
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Re: Where do you think the Belmonts lived?
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2017, 05:32:27 PM »
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IGA has said that more than once, too.

Interesting. I never knew about this either. Would've been cool to have playable Richter in the SOTN sequel and this Belmont village as a location. A proto-Wygol of sorts.

I wonder how many of them lived in the mountains.

Given plot's link, it could well have been a mountain village away from the larger Wallachia.

In DXC, Iris sounded pretty surprised at Richter being from the Belmont clan ("Belmont? Of THE Belmont clan?" or something). Almost like they were being regarded as a myth even in that era.  That's how I got the impression that they were living away from the rest of the populace but were always at the ready for monster threats.

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