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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #720 on: November 04, 2018, 03:39:39 PM »
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I let it sink in for awhile, and I have to say Season 1 was more enjoyable than Season 2.

There was barely a journey involved, it focused way too much on the villains, there was more exposition/talking than last season, and a lot of the characters were useless fodder.

The scenes with the main trio and the ending were great, but this felt like Game of Thrones. I don't know where it's going now after that ending, but I don't have many expectations for season 3. I had hoped this season would have been more of a direct adaption of Castlevania 3, but it went in it's own direction.

It wasn't awful, but I don't think it was worth the wait either.


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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #721 on: November 04, 2018, 05:13:23 PM »
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As there's going to be a TON of CV  merchandise Coming our way, there better be a Stuffed zombie Puppy.

Someone made one on Twitter, it was adorable.  It even had a lit up eye.  It was adorable. 

I really want Alucard’s coat.  Sam Deats said that the OST should be on it’s way, and he’s also hoping for figures being sorted too.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #722 on: November 04, 2018, 09:38:02 PM »
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Do any of you guys really want a zombie puppy?  :-\

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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #723 on: November 05, 2018, 12:28:54 AM »
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Unintentional highlight of the series: Hector's zombie puppy is so adorable!

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« Reply #724 on: November 05, 2018, 02:15:13 AM »
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Especially wonderful seeing as Cezar was a tribute to Sam Deats’s late pug Bunny.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #725 on: November 05, 2018, 12:55:51 PM »
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The simplicity of the source material was an opportunity to flesh out the story into an animated version of the game.
That is what I would have wanted. It could have easily been done without many changes to the original plot or characters.
It make sense to do it like that.

Netflix Castlevania has the same old issue every adaptation has ever had; it was made for no one.
Non-fans were unaware of the lore so changing it will make no difference to them, so why change it?
Some fans are all about the lore so you are guaranteed to lose them, so why change it?
Fix plot holes in the source material, I'm all for that.
But if you are putting your "creativity" above the basic lore because you know better what people will like, that is just ego.

Not having power ups drop from wierd candles, lanterns, and braziers is fine.
Not following the exact stage structure of the game is fine.
Not doing things in the same order because the replay mechanics are not compatible with the new medium is reasonable.

But not getting the most basic details of the time period correct is not good.
Making the main hero into a drunk gadabout is not good.
Making up an order of spellcasters instead of making Sypha an agent of the church is not good.
Making the church the ultimate evil when they were originally backed into a corner and out of options is not good.
Leaving out entire characters is not good.

If I have to pretend the adaptation of [insert thing I like] is an alternate reality / some other original work when it wasn't presented as such, then that is just dishonest and misleading.

Let me put it this way. Let's say tomorrow I sell you a remake of CV1.
In this remake I change Simon into a wizard and instead of candles and hearts you start with a selection of 4 spells.
Instead of power ups and hearts you are just able to use any spell any time, and all spells power up once midway through the game. I replace all the monsters and bosses with various evil gnomes. Every character speaks in a modern American dialect despite taking place in 1576 in Romania. And the entire game consists of 3 huge underground stages that lead to Dracula's tower at the end.

Would you feel satisfied that I provided you with a reasonable remake of Castlevania?
Or am I just milking the name to sell you my "creative" interpretation of how I think CV1 should be?


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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #726 on: November 05, 2018, 01:23:41 PM »
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What do you mean technology angle? And what mysticism got lost?

The castle being able to teleport because of lost ancient technology that is simply not understood is what I was referring to.
Castlevania isn't a machine that teleports around by using a save point like it was Google Maps.
The castle doesn't teleport at all.

It has always been described as mysteriously appearing at a given location out of the mists upon Dracula's revival.
And more importantly the castle does not run on any technology, it is a "creature of chaos", a demonic entity.

AFAIK, the techy stuff in the castle never appears outside of the clock tower and alchemy/wizardry lab stages.
Outside the castle the only thing that comes to mind is the machine tower in CoD and Grant's clock tower in CV3.
Oh, and that wierd tower in SCV, but that is more magic than techy.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #727 on: November 05, 2018, 02:29:36 PM »
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The simplicity of the source material was an opportunity to flesh out the story into an animated version of the game.
That is what I would have wanted. It could have easily been done without many changes to the original plot or characters.
It make sense to do it like that.

Netflix Castlevania has the same old issue every adaptation has ever had; it was made for no one.
Non-fans were unaware of the lore so changing it will make no difference to them, so why change it?
Some fans are all about the lore so you are guaranteed to lose them, so why change it?
Fix plot holes in the source material, I'm all for that.
But if you are putting your "creativity" above the basic lore because you know better what people will like, that is just ego.

Not having power ups drop from wierd candles, lanterns, and braziers is fine.
Not following the exact stage structure of the game is fine.
Not doing things in the same order because the replay mechanics are not compatible with the new medium is reasonable.

But not getting the most basic details of the time period correct is not good.
Making the main hero into a drunk gadabout is not good.
Making up an order of spellcasters instead of making Sypha an agent of the church is not good.
Making the church the ultimate evil when they were originally backed into a corner and out of options is not good.
Leaving out entire characters is not good.

If I have to pretend the adaptation of [insert thing I like] is an alternate reality / some other original work when it wasn't presented as such, then that is just dishonest and misleading.

Let me put it this way. Let's say tomorrow I sell you a remake of CV1.
In this remake I change Simon into a wizard and instead of candles and hearts you start with a selection of 4 spells.
Instead of power ups and hearts you are just able to use any spell any time, and all spells power up once midway through the game. I replace all the monsters and bosses with various evil gnomes. Every character speaks in a modern American dialect despite taking place in 1576 in Romania. And the entire game consists of 3 huge underground stages that lead to Dracula's tower at the end.

Would you feel satisfied that I provided you with a reasonable remake of Castlevania?
Or am I just milking the name to sell you my "creative" interpretation of how I think CV1 should be?


PS- Undead Puppy is the best thing the whole anime and the closest to an actual Innocent Devil they actually gave.
I think The Plot twist sumed it up best
And some people do. I think this pretty much settles the issue ¯\_(o_o)_/¯
You think that all those creative interpretation where amazing, and i really loved it. and i feel like saying that its like making Simon a wizzed is just to far.

but to you it was, but this is the thing, you're never going to get other to see. I'm HUGE fan of CV for years not as long as some, but still long, I've spent my time trying Learn everything a Belmont would,  training in Whip combat other weapons, occult stuff, Spelling  that sort of thing. But i Loved every second of it.

So i think your points falls flat down. but you'll think my points fall down flat. so this was a really pointless post, But I do feel that  The Plot just showed me the light. And helped me see other sides here. and And i feel better for it.

And TBH i'm really sorry that you hated it as there is nothing wose waiting for somehting just then to have ones hopes dashed like sand running down to the sea. I'm not joking here I 100%mean it.

So TBH Thank you Plot Twist frist this,and then the game play.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #728 on: November 05, 2018, 08:24:29 PM »
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I get where Incubus is coming from pretty well. I was hyped for season 2; ask my fiance, I was doing double fist pumps like I was giving duo-handjobs in a pornotastic threesome when I saw the release date. Episode 2-1 nearly lost me, though (should we call each season blocks? lol Block 2-1).

To be blunt, season 2 was a bigger disappointment than the Peter Jackson Tolkien movies. Yes, I am one of the few people out there who hates the Peter Jackson movies for some of the reasons why Incubus is upset about Castlevania. Do I enjoy them? Yes, but I still hate them. When you play a Lego video game based on the movie and you think, "Oh my God, Lego even knew what was missing," then there's an issue.  :rollseyes:

Who the hell were all these vampires and why did they work for Dracula? That was as weak of a fluffer plot device as the demon lords (or whatever they were) from TMNT (the 2007 CGI film). I liked that movie, but the backstory and lack of one was horrible writing. TMNT movies could get away with not explaining the turtles' backstories because you know who they are, but why should we care about the ancient lords? Castlevania is a different story. The characters all need backstory. We got that with Trevor, Sypha, Lisa, Alucard, Dracula, Isaac, Hector, and Carmilla - the main cast - but who the hell were the other valpires? No introduction or backstory or any reason to give a shit about them - a waste of breath.

Slogra and Gaibon got tossed in and killed off on compulsary fashion... Even though they're not supposed to show up in the storyline for another 120 years or so! If you are going to do that, why not just throw Sonia or Shanoa in and kill them off as well?

Leaving out various enemies I am ok with and can understand. But DEATH?!?! HE'S IN NEARLY EVERY SINGLE GAME IN THE FRANCHISE FOR A REASON!! He doesn't even fall under Tom Bombadill Syndrome - he's a core part of the lore! Leaving out Death for two seasons would be like if they left Gollum out of Lord Of The Rings until Return Of The King.

As for Trevor's sword, I think maybe they confused curse Of The Moon with Dracula's Curse. I mean, the series is demonstrating extraordinarily well that Ellis and Deats know practically next to nothing about the source FRANCHISE. Forget just being ignorant of CV3  they are ignorant of everything that only a couple staff members (probably the art director) are familiar with. Someone in the art Department probably made the Belmont lair and Deats was like, "What the hell is all this crap in the background?" Then they explained it to him, and he was probably like, "Really? Oh, okay, yeah let's include that. Glad I thought of it."
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #729 on: November 05, 2018, 11:20:55 PM »
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As for Trevor's sword, I think maybe they confused curse Of The Moon with Dracula's Curse. I mean, the series is demonstrating extraordinarily well that Ellis and Deats know practically next to nothing about the source FRANCHISE. Forget just being ignorant of CV3  they are ignorant of everything that only a couple staff members (probably the art director) are familiar with. Someone in the art Department probably made the Belmont lair and Deats was like, "What the hell is all this crap in the background?" Then they explained it to him, and he was probably like, "Really? Oh, okay, yeah let's include that. Glad I thought of it."

To be fair, Reinhardt in Castlevania 64 also uses a sword for close quarter situations so it's not really new that a Belmont or atleast related by blood actually uses a sword, even Simon Belmont does in Haunted Castle arcade and also in Kojima's artwork from Castlevania Chronicles, looks way too long for a throwing dagger IMO

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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #730 on: November 05, 2018, 11:33:44 PM »
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To be fair, Reinhardt in Castlevania 64 also uses a sword for close quarter situations so it's not really new that a Belmont or atleast related by blood actually uses a sword, even Simon Belmont does in Haunted Castle arcade and also in Kojima's artwork from Castlevania Chronicles, looks way too long for a throwing dagger IMO

Agreed, belmonts are not new to swords, Leon Belmont himself was a very skilled swordsman despite not having it at the start of lament of Lament of Innocence (artwork shows him with the sword as well) and there is artwork of Richter belmont also having a sword so pretty much there is a history of belmonts who do use swords most likely as "backup" weapons for the most part with the vampire killer obviously being the main weapon for obvious reasons.

So yea we have 3 major belmonts in Leon,Richter, and Simon who all are shown with swords. I think what happened here is that the team decided to give a belmont a sword but unlike the games they decided to make sure that this belmont actually USED that sword on a regular basis lol.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #731 on: November 06, 2018, 01:22:46 AM »
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I'm OK with changes to the lore because the show was never advertised to be the canon version of CV3's events. I don't care about historical accuracy, either. (Castlevania has never been historically accurate). For me, I dislike the following: tone, theme, and structure.

I don't have to elaborate about my issues with the tone of this show. With theme, I'm referring to the "science = nobel and enlightened vs faith = corrupt and ignorant " theme from the first season, which makes no sense to put in a Castlevania adaptation because the series isn't about that.

Regarding structure, it's something that botheres me about the LoS series, too: you would expect a Castlevania adaptation to follow the same structure of the games i.e the largest chunk of the story features the protagonists invading Dracula's domain. In the animated show, they rushed through this in one episode, even though it should have been the main focus. And before I get any condescending comments about how this wouldn't work, there are plenty of popular ( shonen) anime/manga that have entire arcs about invading the bad guy's base which also take time to focus on the characters. For example, the end of of the Phantom Blood arc from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (which a lot of Castlevania fans seem to like). I'm sure plenty of people here will disagree but I think it's a missed opportunity they didn't structure a Castlevania show in that manner.

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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #732 on: November 06, 2018, 07:39:58 AM »
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Regarding structure, it's something that botheres me about the LoS series, too: you would expect a Castlevania adaptation to follow the same structure of the games i.e the largest chunk of the story features the protagonists invading Dracula's domain. In the animated show, they rushed through this in one episode, even though it should have been the main focus. And before I get any condescending comments about how this wouldn't work, there are plenty of popular ( shonen) anime/manga that have entire arcs about invading the bad guy's base which also take time to focus on the characters. For example, the end of of the Phantom Blood arc from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (which a lot of Castlevania fans seem to like). I'm sure plenty of people here will disagree but I think it's a missed opportunity they didn't structure a Castlevania show in that manner.

This x 1000.  I like when we agree.

This, and nerfing the Belmonts are my biggest gripes with anything related to Castlevania.  Both LoS and the Netflix series dropped the ball on both of these.  I don't get why modern producers just seen to hate the idea that the Belmont's can defeat Dracula.  I hope Simon and Richter are ridiculously op in smash.

A lot of people try to give Iga flack about these issues as well, but IMO he elevated the Belmonts and the Castle tremendously.  Not only did he add abundantly to the lore, but he made the Belmonts almost mythic, arguably too powerful to be a primary character.  I dug it.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #733 on: November 06, 2018, 01:48:30 PM »
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The big part for me is making  two whips instead Just one.
 And I do wonder in season 3 give the whip more background


Like the morning star, IS it meant to be the Vampire Killer. or  has The Vampire Killer has not showed up yet. Or are they not going to address it as they do seem to favour Trevor  using his sword as his main weapon. as I guess they feel that a sword is more of a vampire Hunting weapon. and That's is one thing that I will be un happy about, if the whip starts to take a back seat to his sowrd as the whip is a HUGE part of there history. and so far its been ok. And I've been very happy with the whip action,

He did use his sword to cut the counts head off, but that really meant nothing as he was just about dead anyway, and that does make me worry. But I'll keep my fingers crossed
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #734 on: November 06, 2018, 03:19:35 PM »
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They obviously favored the whip over the sword.   That is a non issue.  Belmonts have been depicted with swords since the Classicvania days.
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