Topic: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed

[theplottwist]

Because the depiction of the church as a misguided, self-justified savior while at the same time being responsible for instigating Dracula's wrath in the first place is an interesting plot point.

See, here is where I wanted to arrive. As Dracula9 already pointed out: You're allowed to like it because you think it is cool.

This is my criticism. The people here complaining of the portrayal of the Church are not alone. I've seen hundreds of them already, and every single time the same pattern takes place:

1. Person A complains of the Church's portrayal, because they think it'd be cool to not use the same tired cliche for the 47394th time.
2. Person B sweeps in. Corrects person A about how it is historically accurate and "therefore objectivelly superior".

This "therefore objectivelly superior" part is the problem: Something being historically accurate in FICTION doesn't make it automatically superior. And these people are not only claiming this, but ALSO claiming Castlevania was really like this (hint: it wasn't).

I've seen this enough in 3 days (not once, not twice, but hundreds of times) that I'm slowly and irrationally losing all respect for the Castlevania fanbase in general. One HUGE section of the fanbase is activelly silencing and shaming the other because of an idiot argument about "historical accuracy" that implies some sort of intellectual superiority, when they really mean "I like it because it's cool".

[zangetsu468]

@plottwist Welcome to the age of the individual and/ or the "superior". Being a fan of something used to be reason enough to have something in common with someone. I feel a lot of fan bases are divided these days, CV is no exception, but I feel there's more of a sense of bitterness and resentment from some of us as we don't all necessarily believe the franchise is being treated with the respect it deserves.

[DragonSlayr81]

See, here is where I wanted to arrive. As Dracula9 already pointed out: You're allowed to like it because you think it is cool.

This is my criticism. The people here complaining of the portrayal of the Church are not alone. I've seen hundreds of them already, and every single time the same pattern takes place:

1. Person A complains of the Church's portrayal, because they think it'd be cool to not use the same tired cliche for the 47394th time.
2. Person B sweeps in. Corrects person A about how it is historically accurate and "therefore objectivelly superior".

This "therefore objectivelly superior" part is the problem: Something being historically accurate in FICTION doesn't make it automatically superior. And these people are not only claiming this, but ALSO claiming Castlevania was really like this (hint: it wasn't).

I've seen this enough in 3 days (not once, not twice, but hundreds of times) that I'm slowly and irrationally losing all respect for the Castlevania fanbase in general. One HUGE section of the fanbase is activelly silencing and shaming the other because of an idiot argument about "historical accuracy" that implies some sort of intellectual superiority, when they really mean "I like it because it's cool".

That's with a lot of fanbases, though. I mean, for the while when "gritty, realism" was a trend, people were actually saying, "It's better, because it's more REALISTIC!", as something more realistic makes it objectively superior. Because it will ALWAYS be based on one's opinion, it will ALWAYS be subjective, regardless how much a person tries to rationalize it to themselves and others as an undeniable truth.

Though CV fanbase is nothing if you compare it to, say, the Final Fantasy fanbase.

[Dremn]

On the subject of historical accuracy, it's nice to have but for me personally, as long as the plot is just Belmonts/their mission carried on vs Dracula, I'm good.

The series not only covers Dracula's Curse, but ties into SotN nicely as well. I'm in this for the fan service and from what I've seen, a clear respect for the series canon/lore, and liberties taken do not stray too terribly far from the source material. Perhaps after Lords of Shadow, I've become comfortable with the fact knowing it will hopefully never get that bad anytime soon again.

[Reinhart77]

some of adi's thoughts:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/tv/2017/7/11/15952898/castlevania-live-action-adaptation-netflix

[Aiddon]

Another thought that just occurred to me when examining the series. With the Speakers being a nomadic people that are scattered among various tribes makes me wonder if they aren't modeled after the Romani (the Romani being one of the largest minority groups in modern day Romania)

[AlexCalvo]

Another thought that just occurred to me when examining the series. With the Speakers being a nomadic people that are scattered among various tribes makes me wonder if they aren't modeled after the Romani (the Romani being one of the largest minority groups in modern day Romania)

I think this is exactly what we're supposed to think.  I got this right away.

[Aiddon]

Interview with Shankar. Apparently the scripts for Season 2 are already done:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/07/feature_castlevania_show_producer_adi_shankar_on_respecting_fandom_and_future_seasons

[Dremn]

Sounds like Castlevania will live on as an animated series for quite awhile, pretty exciting to think we might see Rondo, SotN, and other games eventually adapted.

[Chernabogue]

Cool, I hope we get season 2 soon enough. Season 3 could be SotN then, which is the perfect CV to follow up CV3.

[TatteredSeraph]

That's pretty cool.  It will be interesting to see what's come up with. 
Out of curiousity, what would people make of it were they to decide to come up with some original storylines not based directly on one of the games, but using an already established group, such as the CV3 gang?  For example, Trevor and co, after facing Dracula, go and deal with another vampire runing amok and causing trouble outside of Wallachia, or they're going and dealing with the effects of the curse, which could tie in elements from Curse of Darkness in to the series, but from their perspective.

[Reinhart77]

kinda feels surreal that we're leaving the era of Lords of Shadow and entering a new animation era.

[TatteredSeraph]

kinda feels surreal that we're leaving the era of Lords of Shadow and entering a new animation era.

I'm with you on that.  That's something heartwarming and comfortable though, that while it's a new take on it, it's a return to the old world, akin to returning to a much loved pair of boots after wearing something else for a time (although I know that this isn't the case for some).  There are some aspects of Lords of Shadow that I love still, but ultimately, the original universe trumps LoS.  It's a slim chance, but I do hope that the generally favourable attitude to the series might persuade Konami to either make more actual games, or hand the series over to someone who'll do a proper job of it.  It's but a dream, however.  In the meanwhile though, to me it's good to see some fresh blood in the series. 

[Flame]

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People are getting too riled up over the church thing.

Yes, it was kind of blatant. But what do you expect. it's Netflix. They basically have to do SOMETHING like that or they probably would never get that sweet George Soros money to make the show a reality in the first place. be happy it doesnt portray religion as a whole as bad, just ignorance and corruption in God's name as bad.

At the same time, it's not terribly inaccurate.

The western Schism happened around the time this takes place. When there were 3 popes all claiming to be the rightful pope.

Mind you, the show doesnt exactly hide the fact that the church of Wallachia is corrupt, not the religion itself.

I find it amusing how it takes the demon to point it out, that the Bishop is NOT a man of God. He is a self serving asshole.

The demons can freely enter the church because it is "just a box", and the Bishop, despite his crucifix, has no power, because he is not truly a man of God. The lackeys of the church themselves, are clearly not men of God either, they carry knives and other weapons. As Trevor points out. that one priest is literally carrying a thief's hidden knife.

But later on, we do see Trevor ask for a priest, one "properly ordained by the church", and he is able to create Holy water that actually damages the demons, because that guy is just a run of the mill actual priest.

That aside, I liked it. Music was kind of generic. Needed more of a gothic bent. And sometimes "sword and sandal" is exactly what's called for.

character designs are ok. I liked Trevor's outfit. is it just me or is his crest the LoS Belmont crest?

[Dracula9]

is it just me or is his crest the LoS Belmont crest?

It's not just you, because it is.