Topic: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed

[Dracula9]

Yep, thread going to hell right on schedule just like last season, christ it's upsetting we can't discuss this without being snide and insulting all the time

[theplottwist]

No but at the same time, I really don't think it calls for this kind of fuss,

And some people do. I think this pretty much settles the issue ¯\_(o_o)_/¯

[TheouAegis]

Who said Grant even had to be a pirate? He could have been an ordinary thief. He could have been a "rebel" from the Danesti clan (which was real) wanting to avenge his family. They tweaked Isaac and Hector, who were tie-ins to CV3, so why couldn't they tweak Grant who was actually part of the original cast? He could have helped them get into the castle and then get killed off, even - he could have been a throw-away character and still satisfy fans of CV3.

I do like how s2e1 brought back the old lady that Dracula had warned to gather her family and flee Wallachia before his rampage. 

I liked Isaac the most out of all the characters this season. Anyone else think he might change his name to Shaft?

I'm OK with Carmilla having her own agenda. Some of the other vampires weren't actually loyal to Dracula, they feared him. But I can't help but wonder if Carmilla is even that strong. She never actually does anything, just skulks in the shadows conniving how to wipe out the other vampires.

Was Dracula's army supposed to be the ghouls from CV1? I never played some of the CV games, but I didn't recognize his vampire army's uniforms.

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Was Dracula the only character to have a ghost, or is Alucard just mental? He did see his mom and...himself...while sitting in his dad's study, so was D really a ghost or just a wistful memory as well?

As for the "Treffie" scene, I didn't mind it too much. It seemed out of place, but I just assumed it was their way of showing Trevor and Sypha had a bond forming (because, you know, defeating a dark lord wouldn't be a good enough reason alone for them to hook up). I loved Alucard's look there.

[Inccubus]

Just finished watching season 2.
Half way through I was gritting my teeth wanting it to be over already.
All those classic references on a damned bookshelf showed up and I knew the garbage I would be in for.
The one time they deigned to actually remix a Castlevania song only served to anger me further.

Fuck the SJW bullshit.
Fuck what they did to Hector and Isaac.
Fuck shoehorning Carmilla and a plethora of new characters into it.
Fuck this boring-ass, patronizing, disrespectful, turd of an excuse for a show.

I'm done with it.
Let it burn in the pits of hell where it can bother my soul no more.

[Reinhart77]

Question: Who was the bandaged demon Trevor fought with the minotaur and Malphas? Was that supposed to be demonified Grant or what?

I suspect that the creature with the bandaged eye was Adramelech.  I thought it was fitting that he was essentially one of Carmilla's bosses in Circle of the Moon.

I thought they adapted Hector pretty well.  In CoD when Hector faces Dracula, he said that he would not run away like he did before. 

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So being a bit weak makes sense to me.  I suspect his time with Carmilla in the next season is what would toughen him up.

[Sindra]

Yep, thread going to hell right on schedule just like last season, christ it's upsetting we can't discuss this without being snide and insulting all the time

If it's any consolation, I quite liked your thorough breakdown and it touched on some of the issues and accolades I had in greater detail. It's what made me think more about my points on Grant.

Guy Belmont, your opinion is your own and if you think Grant is a throwaway character from the games that doesn't add anything that's fine. I disagree. To your own point of Igarashi changing things up.....remember that even he kept zombie!Grant in SotN. He didn't really change the established stories of the games, save for Legends because it was the oddball in the story. Just my thoughts.

Inccubus....dude, chill out. It wasn't that horrible.

[EstebanT]

Did anyone else hate the way they handled the Bishop's storyline.

This still sounds like foreshadowing to me all the way from season 1....

[Mayor] Off to heaven with him, eh? I suppose that's the ultimate goal for you priests, serving God in His true house and all that.

[Bishop] It holds little appeal for me, to be honest.

[Mayor] Really?

[Bishop] There's so much left to be done on earth.
Wallachia could be God's own country had I but time to burn out all the evil that hides here.

[Sindra]

I loathed how they handled the bishop. They were really driving home the fact that the church and everyone in it are horrible dark-age monsters without a speck of empathy, even for the people they are supposed to be shepherding. In SotN the implication was that villagers were afraid Lisa was a witch because her healing was so advanced and in their fear executed her as a group...hence why she pleaded that they didn't deserve Dracula's fury because it was a hard time being a peasant and they were just doing what the thought was right for the good of the community.

In the series, it's hard not to want the bishop and his church goons to suffer horribly. They held all the power, and thus they dictated what was evil and an acceptable target for their righteousness. It'd be hard to argue the villagers and townsfolk even had a choice in the matter, as even the Mayor was cowed into silence by the bishop when he hinted at the potential medical science had and that Lisa might not be as witchy as claimed. And the archbishop straight up taunted Dracula on the anniversary of Lisa's death. So you're left thinking Dracula was a lot more justified in his rampage of Wallachia, rather than it being morally ambiguous at best in the games.

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Although the bishop got his wish in a sense. He did help burn a lot of vampires in that river of holy water he blessed. (Which makes zero sense since he was zombie and it was made evident that his death was because god's power had left him due to his arrogance)

[theplottwist]

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(Which makes zero sense since he was zombie and it was made evident that his death was because god's power had left him due to his arrogance)

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I watched this firstly alone, then with people not Castlevania-savvy. I gave a small "wtf" alone, followed by a "disappointed but not surprised" chuckle (like EstebanT, I expected more of zombie bishop. I didn't WANT this dumb bishop back, but since he was here, I expected more). Then these people that still remember the first season gave a huge "WTF" with this later, when we watched together.

The zombie of a greedy man who couldn't banish a single measly demon from his church and had said demon tell to his face that god left him, can now suddenly bless an entire lake as an undead, unholy creature with no free will.

You don't even need to know the entire context to see that this was more script nonsense, more "things doing stuff because script needs." But, knowing the context and the fact Shankar tried to push against criticism using a "true belief" argument, pointing that this one Bishop was just an hypocrite along with MANY fans echoing the same, just to see THIS happen now, is that much more curious to me.

[Zetheraxza]

I was hoping the way they were foreshadowing The Bishop to come back from the dead... He would keep his core personality but go 180 degrees and resurrect as...

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SHAFT! Daaaaamn right.

[Inccubus]

Inccubus....dude, chill out. It wasn't that horrible.

It was to me.
There is too much of it that is a deal breaker far above and beyond the first season.
It's 5% cool moments that would be fine in another time period, and 80% mindless slop I wouldn't accept in an anime not titled Castlevania. The rest was a'ight.

[Guy Belmont]

And some people do. I think this pretty much settles the issue ¯\_(o_o)_/¯

can't say fairer then that really.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

They do have enemies and other baddies in Castlevania that can somehow cast Holy Powers.
-Possessed Richter (confused human)
-Sniper of Goth (holy creature)
-White Fomor (Demon that mocks god by doing holy chants)
-Holy Armor (infused armor)
-White Armor (infused armor)
-Fallen Angel (flying Succubus that uses Holy Rings)
-Valkyrie and Erinys (flying spirit warriors)
...and more!

It would not be uncommon for an undead priest to be able to cast holy, because of two reasons:
-It's a creature created from Forgemastery (they have holy-elemental innocent devils in CoD)
-Just like Richter Belmont can be confused or coerced, whatever mind is left on this character is made to think they are still doing their Holy tasks.

Lastly, you can see that even though it is chanting and blessing the water, the water is clearly damaging its body, so basically the blessing will eventually overwhelm and exhaust the body, which does happen.

So I don't really see that much of a problem with the bishop and the blessing, nearly as much as I have a PROBLEM WITH MISSING GRANT AND OP ALUCARD!
Having said that, I enjoyed this series for what it is.

[AlexCalvo]

So I've been thinking about the season 2 ending.  Mostly all my problems with it, and the direction things seem to be heading.  I've kind of worked out a possible scenario that would right a lot of the wrongs.  Both Carmilla and Isaac are ressurrectors of Dracula in the games, and we certainly got a momentary glance and a much darker, arguably more demonic Dracula between his staking and decapitation.

If Isaac is the resurrecter of Dracula it would make sense for him to go even further into the demonic side.  Obviously Hector won't be playing the primary hero, as he doesn't seem to be a fighter at all in this version, so Trevor would be the obvious choice to fill the role,  with maybe Alucard taking on something like the role Trevor had in Curse of Darkness, including Isaac taking him out before the final show down.  Trevor takes on a gnarlier Dracula complete with 2nd demonic form and boom, everyone is happy.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

^I won't be happy without Grant around, so...
...I'm somewhat content but not quite happy.

But there is hope!  There's an entire new arc happening, here... and it looks like Alucard will basically become Giles (from Buffy) as protector of the Estate.  I doubt that he will be going on more adventures with Trevor and Sypha.  It's possible that when they go to talk to the other Speakers, they will find Grant rebuilding the villages.  Of course, the whole "they turned me into a demon but I got better" angle would be lost.  It could still happen, what with Carmilla having an imprisoned pet forgemaster to do things for her.

But, like Sindra, I wouldn't be holding my breath for any of this.