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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2018, 04:12:20 AM »
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I don't think there was an established "main team" at that time.

Yea there was no "main team" at the time, but out of those teams operating at the time such as IGA, KCEK, and whatever team it was that worked on Legends the only one that made a effort to actually connect their game directly into the previous canon was IGA with him tying SOTN's story directly into Rondo of Blood and CV3 respectfully and as such it can be assumed IGA's team especially after the critical acclaim of SOTN would be considered the defacto "main team" by the guys in charge at Konami and even the fans at large.


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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2018, 04:31:07 AM »
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Yea there was no "main team" at the time, but out of those teams operating at the time such as IGA, KCEK, and whatever team it was that worked on Legends the only one that made a effort to actually connect their game directly into the previous canon was IGA with him tying SOTN's story directly into Rondo of Blood and CV3 respectfully and as such it can be assumed IGA's team especially after the critical acclaim of SOTN would be considered the defacto "main team" by the guys in charge at Konami and even the fans at large.

I read that Rondo of Blood was actually considered to be a gaiden at the time which would mean the same for SOTN.
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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2018, 04:37:29 AM »
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I read that Rondo of Blood was actually considered to be a gaiden at the time which would mean the same for SOTN.

At the time it possibly was considered a gaiden UNTIL SOTN came and bridged that gap since it served as a sequel to Rondo AND CV3, my point is SOTN bringing in elements from both CV3 and Rondo within its story may have been IGAs first attempt at making a coherent storyline for the series that attempts to bridge the gaps between games.

Also where did you read that?

Can you post a source?


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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2018, 10:49:35 AM »
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Having Trevor 1/4th vampire will not effect him negatively by any real stretch. He'd inherit certain qualities like, perhaps, unusual strength and much higher resistant to diseases. And that's on top of his family's supernatural abilities. But he wouldn't have the adverse effects of feeling the need to feed for blood, weakness to sunlight and other such vampire-like drawbacks. This is only speculation of course as I've never heard of any story referring to someone who's only 1/4th vampire. And in terms of Legends fitting into the canon, sure it could. Just mess around with the years like Jorge stated.
Why does every assume the crossbreads automatically get (as Blade put it) all of the strengths and none of the weaknesses?  Why couldn't a part vampire end up being weaker than a normal human with aversions to holy symbols and powers, a strong dislike of sunlight (they burn easily), and just generally poor health?  You could say that their body simply can't process the blood they'd need to drink to actually gain any of their vampire abilities. 

This could also be used to explain in-universe why there's so many versions of the Simon Belmont story: his is one of the most popular tales, and everyone who retells it tries to put their own stamp of contribution on it.
Personal headcannon here.  All of Simon's adventures happened, but they didn't happen exactly like they were told.  The guy fought a lot of vampires.  They weren't all Dracula.  He did fight Dracula multiple times, but he didn't always get the killing blow in. 

Depends mostly on one thing: Do you want Symphony to still be canon along with Legends? Without SotN, and with a LOT of ingenuity and handwaving and sweat, you can force Legends in there. But it's either Legends or SotN. You can't have both and expect the Lisa plot to work. Now if we go the "we just have to retcon X and Y and Z" then anything goes. We could make Konami Krazy Racers canon.
... It's not? 

Okay, but that time Simon teamed up with Konami man happened, right?  And the time he went skateboarding in Dracula's castle?

I honestly disagree with the notion of just "messing around with the years" will make Legends fit since there is still the clear inconsistency of Sonia being the first to defeat Dracula which directly contradicts and takes away from the stated fact of Trevor being the first to take him on and beat him, not to mention any shoehorn would take AWAY from Trevor's role in the series as the original belmont to take down Dracula and as big trevor fan I would not be on board with a shoehorned game into the timeline that was never meant to be in the timeline in the first place and was apparently meant to start its own timeline separately.
I think you could give them each the role of being the first to defeat Dracula and it would still work. 

Sonia was the first to defeat Dracula.  Up until that point he was some supernatural juggernaut that steamrolled over everybody.  Sonia showed he was beatable... but she didn't KILL him.  She just hurt him bad enough to put him down for a while. 

Trevor was the first to defeat Dracula as in, he went out after Dracula and came back carrying the vampires' head on a pike.  Dracula was gone.  He was defeated.        For good.  (not really)

And as far as the IGA was a huge fan of Castlevania... I'm not sure I can fully agree with that.  he was a huge fan of what he made Castlevania into, but what it was before he started and what it was after are two wildly different things.  I'll give him the fact that he had a vision for the series, but that vision turned it into something it hasn't before.  I won't argue that it was better or worse than it used to be.  (I might do that later) but it was hardly the same.  It's easy to see how people who started with the tributes to Universal monsters and Hammer Horror could dislike the more flowerly Anne Rice style vampires or the more anime inspired stylings of the series. 


Also most of IGA's attempts to give things origins have really sucked. 

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2018, 09:09:14 PM »
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LoI is important in that it introduces Sara, who becomes Mildew Charlotte in that one fanfic I wrote.

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2018, 01:09:12 AM »
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The only "main team" back then are the ones who made the first trilogy on NES/famicom, so other than that it was indeed made by separate teams. Castlevania Legends was made by Nagoya branch who later made the Sega Saturn port of SOTN.

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2018, 01:37:28 AM »
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The only "main team" back then are the ones who made the first trilogy on NES/famicom, so other than that it was indeed made by separate teams. Castlevania Legends was made by Nagoya branch who later made the Sega Saturn port of SOTN.

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2018, 01:40:33 AM »
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The only "main team" back then are the ones who made the first trilogy on NES/famicom, so other than that it was indeed made by separate teams. Castlevania Legends was made by Nagoya branch who later made the Sega Saturn port of SOTN.

We've already established there was no official main team, read the posts above, I however do believe that IGA's team was the "de facto main team" for reasons I listed above, not officially the main team but still most likely regarded higher than the others teams that where operating at the time especially after SOTN's release and critical acclaim.


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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2018, 02:05:10 AM »
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Considering the NES trilogy was all directed by Hitoshi Akamatsu, needless to say that it was the only "main team" back then, and just like what I said the following games afterwards(even if there's already CV games made by a separate teams between the releases of NES trilogy which is quite minor) are no longer made by one and only team.

"Not officially the main team" you said, so regardless of whatever reason like IGA team was regarded higher because of their one time success which is SOTN, calling them as "de facto main team" is still an opinion and not fact.

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2018, 02:08:53 AM »
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Considering the NES trilogy was all directed by Hitoshi Akamatsu, needless to say that it was the only "main team" back then, and just like what I said the following games afterwards(even if there's already CV games made by a separate teams between the releases of NES trilogy which is quite minor) are no longer made by one and only team.

"Not officially the main team" you said, so regardless of whatever reason like IGA team was regarded higher because of their one time success which is SOTN, calling them as "de facto main team" is still an opinion and not fact.

First of all settle down lol, I NEVER claimed any of what I said was a fact, and secondly we are not talking about the NES days we where referring during the years SOTN and Legends where released which was 1997, games around that time include Legends, SOTN, CV64 etc, we where talking about which team AT THAT TIME, was the main team and we concluded there was no main team but I gave my OPINION that IGA's team may have had more importance in the eyes Konami given how his entry attempted to tie into previous entries in the series unlike the other games at the time and also how well received SOTN was, and it does help lend credibility to that opinion with the fact that he was put in charge of the series not to long after that.


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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2018, 10:03:24 AM »
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Why does every assume the crossbreads automatically get (as Blade put it) all of the strengths and none of the weaknesses?

Alucard is the crossbreed, not Trevor. Trevor would be 1/4th vampire if Legends were official canon. There are times when I question whether or not Alucard can wield holy objects due to his vampiric side. But with Trevor -whom has even less vampiric DNA in him- would have even far less problems because the vampiric side is even more watered down. The more watered down something is (yes genetics included) the less potent it is going to be. Alucard has both vampire/human DNA equally so we should be expecting something of a trade-off with him. But for Trevor it would be far more minimal, almost nil.
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« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2018, 02:21:32 PM »
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Why does every assume the crossbreeds automatically get (as Blade put it) all of the strengths and none of the weaknesses?

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, that's literally how the myths surrounding Dhampirs work.

That is the entire point of them in the real world Slavic folklores where they appear: they are, to a one, fatal mistakes by vampires because they invariably hunt down their vampire parents and destroy them (at least in the stories where they are presented as something other than a jello-like mound of sentient flesh because folklore is weird like that). They have many of the strengths of their vampire sire, but few, if any, of the weaknesses.

If a vampire ever has a son with a human woman (tellingly, you don't often find folk tales about the mother being the vampire due to how reproduction was understood when these legends emerged, among other reasons), they are doomed. The Dhampir will grow up to resent their vampire father. They will hunt them down. And unless the vampire is very, very good at what they do and very very lucky, the Dhampir will destroy them.

Or they'll grow up to be a short lived boneless fleshy abomination.

One or the other. Man, Slavic folklore is fucking weird.
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« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2018, 04:04:28 PM »
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« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2018, 07:21:39 PM »
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Time to do 23 and me to find out what percentage vampire I am.

Well, we know you're not boneless, so that might be a start.
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« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2018, 02:12:32 AM »
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Oh, that's really interesting because I've never read an interview from someone from the Legends team. I've checked Mr P's site but I couldn't find anything. Do you perhaps remember anything else that might be useful in tracking this interview down?

I tried finding the japanese magazine scan but i can't locate it.  :'(

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