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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2018, 05:28:00 PM »
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The Story of Lament of Innocence couldn't have ever been fully realized because Konami didn't give a fuck about anything that wasn't Metal Gear Solid even at that time.

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2018, 05:38:58 PM »
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Really? Thread Necromancy just for an unoriginal and unfunny dig at Konami and Metal Gear?
Kay-Z, please set your sights a little higher for the sake of quality posting.
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« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2018, 08:41:42 PM »
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He does kinda have a point. Metal Gear was the big money-maker (before it went zombie-survival  :P), while CV was the niche series.
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« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2018, 10:47:27 PM »
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Really? Thread Necromancy just for an unoriginal and unfunny dig at Konami and Metal Gear?
Kay-Z, please set your sights a little higher for the sake of quality posting.

How old IS this thread? This one popped up in top 3 on GD, above Bloodstained even. (Even dated Aug 1 2018, I suspect something something revived backup.)

It's more of an analysis, Konami ensured safe bets with Metal Gear and Silent Hill, and they've slowly have taken less and less risks to the detriment of the potential of other IP's. I could Argue that LoI isn't that good overall, but let's face it the quality and polish being vastly uneven is something rather blatant now as if it were given chance, but faced with considerably less resources to actually turn out something with time and polish into it. Sure there was experimentation but it was done cheaply and it really shows with something like Contra.



Long story short, I researched LoI, and realized this was the time that Konami was becoming a shell of it's former self.

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2018, 08:17:04 AM »
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It was a fair enough story, decent music, fun to play...Joachim was cool, Pumpkin was kinda hilarious, and Leon's cloak thing was pretty nice too (plus he gave me a cool name to use for my son!)

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2018, 01:59:09 PM »
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Leon had on him what would akin to a tailcoat. Alucard had the cloak  ;)
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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2018, 11:34:10 AM »
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The reason fans don't like it is because we liked the character of Sonia and it meant that there would be no more CV games with her in it.

@DarkPrinceAlucard I don't think Lumi is attacking Iga or accusing him of an inflated ego. She's simply stating that LOI marks a point where he made decisions with the story that she didn't care for.

I still hope that the classic timeline will be revived so Sonia and other excluded characters will be retconed  sequels or prequels. I don't like the idea of the Belmont matriarch being Dracula, Alucard or other vampires lover making her descendants part vampires , but some aspects of her character can be kept like her being Trevor's mother -maybe a game following how Belmont's clan was almost decimated - or she can be a badass Belmont that starts her own clan, or retcon her in the future in which she can have a happy ending with Alucard.

As for Leon's story, I'm alright with it, I consider it a prequel to the classic timeline. Considering the time period it takes place I understand it can feel out of place but it was an interesting addition to the lore. I'm pretty sure if this game were never released there would be fans wondering of Dracula's origins even today.

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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2018, 07:40:30 PM »
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I'm pretty sure if this game were never released there would be fans wondering of Dracula's origins even today.

I've never had this issue.
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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2018, 02:49:37 PM »
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I've never had this issue.
Maybe not for Dracula, as we could always assumed he was Vlad.  But I for one was very curious as to the origin of the Belmonts and the vampire killer whip.  I was very satisfied with Lament's version of events, and love that they tied into Dracula's creation as well.
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« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2018, 08:36:43 AM »
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Haven't been around in awhile, but lurk on these forums every now and then. The only reason why Sonia was removed as a main character in IGA-verse, is because of the love feud between her and Alucard. It wouldn't of made sense that Trevor was the son of Alucard, and that is why it was removed. I'm not bias with the Sonia installment, I enjoyed Legends (as with many, many titles of the franchise), but people need to let it rest until the developers decide to resurrect the current Timeline or revamp it.

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2018, 08:43:26 AM »
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Well, uh, I like Lament of Innocence, so... *shrug*

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #71 on: November 03, 2018, 01:01:50 AM »
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Well, uh, I like Lament of Innocence, so... *shrug*

Yes, me too. But of course, to each his own.

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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #72 on: November 03, 2018, 08:56:25 PM »
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Yes, me too. But of course, to each his own.

The thing about Lament of Innocence is how it really recontextualized the entire series. Up until LoI, the entirety of the franchise with its conflict against Dracula was really just a hunter clan trying to take down a supernatural threat. With LoI suddenly it become a thousand years blood feud instead. It's personal as Mathias was Leon's friend who manipulated him in order to become a vampire just so he could spite God. It makes it clear why Dracula is the Belmont Clan's sworn enemy.

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« Reply #73 on: November 04, 2018, 05:43:49 AM »
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The thing about Lament of Innocence is how it really recontextualized the entire series. Up until LoI, the entirety of the franchise with its conflict against Dracula was really just a hunter clan trying to take down a supernatural threat. With LoI suddenly it become a thousand years blood feud instead. It's personal as Mathias was Leon's friend who manipulated him in order to become a vampire just so he could spite God. It makes it clear why Dracula is the Belmont Clan's sworn enemy.

This. As well, it explains the genesis of the Vampire Killer.
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Re: Lament of Innocence isn't actually that essential to the story
« Reply #74 on: November 04, 2018, 01:46:29 PM »
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I really love LoI on numerous levels.  I find it interesting as well how it tries to address Dracula’s history in the games itself - is he Vlad III, is he a sorcerer who made a deal, why is it he comes back every 100 years?  Why do the Belmonts in particular keep fighting him.  I also love Lament for its general aesthetics, as well as story. 
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