Topic: Batman Vs. Superman Official

[Claimh Solais]

If I, as a member of the general public who didn't know anything about the DC Comic universe bought a ticket and went in to see a movie that was marketed to me as Batman versus Superman, saw all the trailers and expected Ben Affleck to be Batman (Bruce Wayne Batman) only to have a twist later in the movie that he was never the real Batman at all, I'd be pretty annoyed.

Yeah, this is a very good argument, too. It was already done on a lesser level with Metal Gear Solid 2. The fanbase was pretty pissed about not being able to play as Snake the whole game.

In this case, though, it's even worse, because Deathstroke and Batman are COMPLETELY different characters.

You do realize that, nowadays, trailers are far more likely to draw out excitement for bigger dividends than they are to tease some ridiculously elaborate plot twist that requires a 50-page thesis to explain? After all, this is Warner Brothers. They're not in the business of convoluted comic-book storytelling, they're in the business of... well, business.

It's an interesting theory, but don't expect it to be accurate.

The biggest problem with this plot twist is that they're trying to tie it in with Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. Nolan's trilogy is based solely in realism. It's why we got weird-mercenary-Tom-Hardy Bane. Suddenly making Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice take place in the same universe makes it all lack sense.

[darkmanx_429]

Two other points:

1) Aren't they in talks with Ben Affleck to have him write, direct, and star in a solo Batman movie? Unless that's all a smokescreen and it's really a Deathstorke movie which seems silly.

2) If I, as a member of the general public who didn't know anything about the DC Comic universe bought a ticket and went in to see a movie that was marketed to me as Batman versus Superman, saw all the trailers and expected Ben Affleck to be Batman (Bruce Wayne Batman) only to have a twist later in the movie that he was never the real Batman at all, I'd be pretty annoyed.

1.) Could be misleading...maybe...I personally like the idea of having a Batman Vs. Superman movie with it not really being the original counterparts in the DC Universe. That leaves a film that still has recognizable characters to the causal movie goers, and a little fan service to the more hardcore comic fans. I am with them not "crossing the streams" with recasts. If it's early enough (ahem, Warmachine, Captain America, etc.) I can deal with it. But I hate that sh*t.  It reminds me when they re-casted Kane Hodder from Freddy Vs. Jason. Imagine how awesome that movie could have been with Kane Hodder in that role!

2.) I dunno if I totally buy that argument. I look at the end of Days of Future past and the Apocalypse teaser, I mean come on who other than hardcore comic and X fans who knew half the characters were in that movie hell I could even go back to X3..? I also look at the Thanos reveals and teaser's in the Marvel movies, same logic. Finally, Guardians of the Galaxy another basically unknown cast of characters. Let's be real unless you follow comics or that series specifically, barely anyone knew them at all and now their household names. I could go on with Ant Man, Falcon, and a whole other list of B and C characters that Marvel has brought to the mainstream.

3.) On a side note, DC knows how to make animated movies, don't know why they can't get their act together for the live action stuff. Also, am I the only one who had the idea of Michael Keaton reprising Batman for one of the animated movies? Seems like money on the table if you ask me...

[KaZudra]

1.) Could be misleading...maybe...I personally like the idea of having a Batman Vs. Superman movie with it not really being the original counterparts in the DC Universe. That leaves a film that still has recognizable characters to the causal movie goers, and a little fan service to the more hardcore comic fans. I am with them not "crossing the streams" with recasts. If it's early enough (ahem, Warmachine, Captain America, etc.) I can deal with it. But I hate that sh*t.  It reminds me when they re-casted Kane Hodder from Freddy Vs. Jason. Imagine how awesome that movie could have been with Kane Hodder in that role!

2.) I dunno if I totally buy that argument. I look at the end of Days of Future past and the Apocalypse teaser, I mean come on who other than hardcore comic and X fans who knew half the characters were in that movie hell I could even go back to X3..? I also look at the Thanos reveals and teaser's in the Marvel movies, same logic. Finally, Guardians of the Galaxy another basically unknown cast of characters. Let's be real unless you follow comics or that series specifically, barely anyone knew them at all and now their household names. I could go on with Ant Man, Falcon, and a whole other list of B and C characters that Marvel has brought to the mainstream.

3.) On a side note, DC knows how to make animated movies, don't know why they can't get their act together for the live action stuff. Also, am I the only one who had the idea of Michael Keaton reprising Batman for one of the animated movies? Seems like money on the table if you ask me...

DC animation is arguably better than Marvel's live action stuff

[darkmanx_429]

DC animation is arguably better than Marvel's live action stuff

Yes if I was a DC Exec, if I would basically get the writers from the various animated movies have them pen a script and basically say "do that" except live action.

Especially, I believe DC has one advantage over Marvel is that I believe they shouldn't be doing introductory movies for established characters that are known worldwide, I mean like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash,etc.

Certain characters I think, have over 50 years of comics, tv shows, movie etc and are known all over the world. why waste a origins movie? If anything those kind of things should be explained in the Animated context. The hardcore fans already follow the comics, shows, etc.

Look at Spiderman, if I see another origins story I'm gonna puke. Even though I am happy Marvel has the rights to Spidey, it's like ok we get it even with all the iterations in the films, we know how he became Spiderman, why with Uncle Ben, we know Peter Parker. We don't need ANOTHER retelling of his origins even if he may be in high-school in Civil War.

Certain things should just be a given...it's like hell let's make a Wolverine movie and and spend the entire movie to go through his origins. Why? He is known worldwide and a iconic character...sigh

End rant. 

[Shiroi Koumori]

I agree with darkmanx. DC should really just focus on churning out animated films and give the live action movie slice to Marvel. They are already being picked upon as Marvel copy cats after the announcement of this film.

Amen with Spidey. I didn't watch any of those origin movies since I already know the plot. Why oh why do they keep on producing those films?

[darkmanx_429]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro

Sooo, I'm going to watch it.

Opinions?

I must say, I am surprised at Doomsday even though it was kinda hinted at because of the whole New 52 thing. I am kinda bummed because I would rather get a Death of Superman movie where that plot is made forefront. The Death of Superman definitely deserves it's own movie.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro

Sooo, I'm going to watch it.

Opinions?

I must say, I am surprised at Doomsday even though it was kinda hinted at because of the whole New 52 thing. I am kinda bummed because I would rather get a Death of Superman movie where that plot is made forefront. The Death of Superman definitely deserves it's own movie.

It's likely to get an adaptation as a formal Justice League film, rather than a Superman stand alone.

Remember, the DoS comic had pretty much the entire current Justice League at that time as the first responders to Doomsday's rampage, and Superman arrived as a Hope Spot when things looked bleakest for them.

And Doomsday just gets stronger and more invincible with each defeat in the comics, so it's not improbable that just because Batman + WW + Supes beat him in this film that they'd be likely to repeat the feat a second time if Doomsday came back, possibly as the result of machinations of Darkseid.

Maybe his second appearance will pit him against an entire fully-rostered Justice League, and Superman saves everyone else at the cost of being the only JLA casualty.

Just saying. Death of Superman is too iconic a story not to adapt (and the overall darkness of the story fits in well with the tone of the DCMU) and it would be fairly easy to bring it in later. Even easier than here, actually.

[zangetsu468]

The teaser was nice. Assuming this will be based on the comic/ hardbacks with the same BM/SM Logo I've seen floating around in previous years.
Given it was rumoured for release about a decade back it's nice to see it finally executed.

[Inccubus]

OK. Just want to point out.

Batman is not the real Bruce Wayne theory.
There have been plenty of comments from plenty of people involved in the movie and some not involved in the movie that this is not the case.

This movie is heavily influenced by tDKR.
Not the case at. There is visual influence in Batman's costume and that is pretty much it.
Zack Snyder said at Comicon that they created a completely original story.

Personally the new trailer killed any hype I had for this at all.
The honest teasers video hit the nail on the head.
This is DC playing catch up with Marvel instead of trying to make a good comic book movie.
They marketed this movie to us as Batman V Superman, but it is much more Dawn of Justice.
I don't like the change in Doomsday's origin or his powers.
I don't like Jesse Eisenburg as Lex Luthor. His performance seems more like Jim-Carry-Riddler/Tommy-Lee-Jones-Twoface.
Just once I'd like to see a serious Luthor instead of everyone always trying to be Gene Hackman. (Kevin Spacey aside since that was the point of his role.)
I really don't like Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, either.
She's way too skinny and doesn't even remotely look Greek.

[crisis]

while i agree that this trailer revealed way too much (even tho i already knew doomsday was gonna be the villain, from a leaked plot synopsis i read a while back), ppl that are saying "am not gonna watch this anymore" based off the trailer alone are full of it 

& Inccubus come on dude, you expected WW to be built like a body builder? she looks fine




Wb was gonna do the death of superman storyline in the 90s. have you guys never heard of the documentary "the death of superman lives: what happened?" look it up. they were actually going to make THIS



people are just way too critical these days

[darkmanx_429]

I have to agree about WW. She looks great.

I wasn't too thrilled about the casting at first for this movie, but it's looking pretty solid.

I wouldn't be too worried about Jessie Eisenberg only because he is a very talented actor. I don't know about you guys, but usually whatever role he gets people are like"huh?"

Then he usually knocks it out of the park. People are looking too much into Lex's charade that is shown in the trailer.

I guess if I had a only gripe, I thought this movie was suppose to be the sequel to Man of Steel, then it looked to turn into a Batman story, and now a prequel to Justice League.

I am really worried about the movie trying to introduce soooo many major characters in one movie for Justice League with the majority of characters being the first time they will be seen in the DC Cinematic Universe. (See what I did there.)

I really hope they succeed though. DC movies don't get enough credit i.e Constantine, Jonah Hex, Watchmen.. etc

[Shiroi Koumori]

I really hope they succeed though. DC movies don't get enough credit i.e Constantine, Jonah Hex, Watchmen.. etc

People know DC animated films > DC live action films.

Gal Godot looks fine. I first was against her casting but I think I like her now.

[X]

Pretty much agree with everything Inccubus has stated. In fact I had a Red Alert in the back of my mind after reading the title "Batman Versus Superman". There is a reason why superheros exist--Because of supervillains or crime in general. I don't like it when people write about heroes fighting other heroes just for the sake of the age-old debate of "my hero's better then yours". It's stupid and childish.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

I still want Lucy Lawless as Wonder Woman, but it'll never happen.

And people who boycott a film over a trailer are like people who swear off books from a general description someone gave them.

"Lord of the Rings is the epic tale involving some starving friends on a long journey."

OH MY GOD THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE I'LL NEVER READ IT.

[darkmanx_429]

I still want Lucy Lawless as Wonder Woman, but it'll never happen.

And people who boycott a film over a trailer are like people who swear off books from a general description someone gave them.

"Lord of the Rings is the epic tale involving some starving friends on a long journey."

OH MY GOD THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE I'LL NEVER READ IT.

Xena as WW, maybe back in the day but not now. She's in Ash Vs the Evil Dead though. Besides, I think everyone would see Xena the whole time not WW.