Topic: Star Trek, to boldly go where no thread has gone before.

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Into Darkness was pretty good right up until it became a shot-for-shot remake of Wrath of Khan.

You mean where the roles of Kirk and Spock got reversed? That was a little strange and I did think that Kirk was going to stay dead. But I had not figured in 'Khan's regenerative blood' aspect as well as using one of the cryo-tubes to keep Kirk from lapsing into death even further. I also think the USS Vengeance could have used more air-time. Unfortunately given the fact that it was too powerful a star ship, the Enterprise would not have lasted long enough to give us a good battle like it was with Star Trek II's Enterprise Vs Reliant. I actually liked the Vengeance design. and given the fact that it is purely a military ship I could see her lasting for quite some time against a Borg cube ship. I'm also betting that she could hold her own against Nero's ship; The Narada.

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You mean where the roles of Kirk and Spock got reversed? That was a little strange and I did think that Kirk was going to stay dead. But I had not figured in 'Khan's regenerative blood' aspect as well as using one of the cryo-tubes to keep Kirk from lapsing into death even further. I also think the USS Vengeance could have used more air-time. Unfortunately given the fact that it was too powerful a star ship, the Enterprise would not have lasted long enough to give us a good battle like it was with Star Trek II's Enterprise Vs Reliant. I actually liked the Vengeance design. and given the fact that it is purely a military ship I could see her lasting for quite some time against a Borg cube ship. I'm also betting that she could hold her own against Nero's ship; The Narada.

Yeah I heard that "Khan's magic blood" was a cheap deus ex machina at the end. Again haven't seen the movie but it just seems like a bad idea to intentionally invite direct comparisons between your new movie and what's been nigh-universally regarded as the best film in a series for decades.
A warship huh? I'm not really sure how prominent ships built purely for fighting are in the history of the federation in the original "prime" timeline, so that might mark another significant diversion. When the USS Defiant was introduced it's conflicts with peaceful, exploration-based ideology of the Federation is brought up. And as a warship it's said to be unique in Starfleet at the same time. But I guess there must have been at least a few warships back when fighting the Klingons was a regular occurrence.

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A warship huh? I'm not really sure how prominent ships built purely for fighting are in the history of the federation in the original "prime" timeline, so that might mark another significant diversion. When the USS Defiant was introduced it's conflicts with peaceful, exploration-based ideology of the Federation is brought up. And as a warship it's said to be unique in Starfleet at the same time. But I guess there must have been at least a few warships back when fighting the Klingons was a regular occurrence.

Well if you haven't seen the film then I don't want to give away too much, but;

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Khan was used to build the USS Vengeance. Because of star fleet's primary charter of peaceful exploration and contact, war was usually an after-thought. This is where Khan's superior intelligence comes into play. Because he was a man of war and conquest, it was easy for him to manipulate current federation tech, bringing it up to what would be my guess, late 24th century/early 25th century standards. Maybe even passed that. In order to build a war machine you need a mind with no real morals and wickedness, and Khan served just that purpose. The USS Vengeance was a monster of a ship. Her size (and I looked it up) is twice that of the Galaxy-class USS Enterprise-D, and one shot from her pulse phasers was enough to rupture the Enterprise's hull with shields up at full strength.