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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2014, 02:09:57 PM »
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Well, not to be an asshole, but Nails used to Crucify Martyrs =/= Jesus. I dunno why the misconception of Jesus being the only one crucified even exists.

Also, If the Holy Order's weapons don't work on Drac, how could Simon and Alucard defeat Dracula?

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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2014, 05:21:56 PM »
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Also, If the Holy Order's weapons don't work on Drac, how could Simon and Alucard defeat Dracula?
Simple. It's in their blood. Even before becoming a vampire, Gabriel was able to take down the Lords of Shadow. Something no one else could do. Not to mention that he, a mere mortal, defeated Satan. It would seem that he and his bloodline were chosen by God (or whoever).

It is not the weapons they wield. It is the Belmont bloodline that accomplishes these great (good or evil) things.
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2014, 05:33:03 PM »
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gotta love them Cronqvist Warlord Chromosones

biggest plothole of all:

"BREAK THE CURSE OF IMMORTALITY"

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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2014, 06:56:58 PM »
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Well, not to be an asshole, but Nails used to Crucify Martyrs =/= Jesus. I dunno why the misconception of Jesus being the only one crucified even exists.

Also, If the Holy Order's weapons don't work on Drac, how could Simon and Alucard defeat Dracula?
I think it's the fact of them specifically being the ones used to crucify Jesus.
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2014, 07:05:21 PM »
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I suppose it would be somewhat pedantic of me to mention that by definition none of the questions in this thread are plot holes since plot holes are contradictions in the plot not unanswered questions.
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2014, 08:46:23 AM »
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The Devil's Mask is not a plothole. Cox said in twitter that a Necromancer uses an object to place his soul to return. Yes, like Voldemort does. The Devil's Mask was Zobek's "horocrux". That's how he came back. It can be especulated that he's not dead by LoS2 ending as he could have another "horocrux" (The Vampire Killer?)

Also the VK is the holiest of holiest weapoins as it's composed of all of Gandolfi's own creations, the other combat crosses are not Gandolfi's.

Also, If the Holy Order's weapons don't work on Drac, how could Simon and Alucard defeat Dracula?
Because they can't. Remember, Dracula is not immortal in the sense that nothing could kill him, but in the sense that he will ALWAYS come back, unless the Vk is used.

Alucard probably regained his memory with time, his initial confusion was product of his awakening. He remembered Simon not long after. His memories are intact.
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2014, 09:28:55 AM »
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I always thought that those rooms where you upgrade the Combat Cross is no longer functional once it was used for just one time only, that's how rare or special Gabriel's Combat Cross/Vampire Killer above the other Combat Cross.

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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2014, 12:01:46 AM »
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The Devil's Mask is not a plothole. Cox said in twitter that a Necromancer uses an object to place his soul to return. Yes, like Voldemort does. The Devil's Mask was Zobek's "horocrux". That's how he came back. It can be especulated that he's not dead by LoS2 ending as he could have another "horocrux" (The Vampire Killer?)

In D&D Liches of exceptional power (called Demi-liches for whatever reason) have an artifact where they keep their soul due to the continued degridation of their original bodies over time called a phylactery which is probably where J.K. Rolling got the idea for the horocrux. So the use of something similar in LoS isn't a stretch.
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2014, 01:49:21 AM »
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gotta love them Cronqvist Warlord Chromosones

biggest plothole of all:

"BREAK THE CURSE OF IMMORTALITY"

  The supposed 'reasoning' for this that I imagine that was come up with is that by the end, as Gabriel and Alucard have found that they now have something to live for - family - their immortality is no longer a curse to them, a bind that they previously both wanted out of.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2014, 03:32:56 AM by tatteredseraph »
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2014, 03:12:33 AM »
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  The suppose 'reasoning' for this that I imagine that was come up with is that by the end, as Gabriel and Alucard have found that they now have something to live for - family - their immortality is no longer a curse to them, a bind that they previously both wanted out of.
be nice if the game mentioned that.
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2014, 03:31:10 AM »
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be nice if the game mentioned that.

"But we don't want to spoon-feed everything!".  Well, there's leaving bits implied, and leaving too much unexplained.

  I think that a major problem with LoS2 is that that the plot to filler ratio is too low, with the plot divided up into clear-cut, very compartmentalized sections that are left alone once their ten minutes of screen time are finished.  These bits of plot, which aren't insignificant, are rushed through, but then there's hours of trudging through filler to get to the next bit in some cases, especially with teh retrieve the antidote part of the game.  This in turn left for a lot of things which were lef unexplained, to the game's detriment.  Had there been big chunks of plenty of plot more frequently in the game, the hours of explorin would have been a lot more balanced.  Missed opportunity.  It's a shame, relaly, ad has been said before on here, one of the biggest disappoitnments was the potential that this game had had to be amazing, but fell at the last hurdle in places.  LoS2 should have had a much bigger plot than 1, but it felt smaller in places.
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2014, 08:07:53 AM »
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The biggest one of all, after spending hundreds of years yearning to die, why all of the sudden is Gabula is just "Cool" with being immortal at the end?
This was a man whom everything was taken away from him and he has become a monster, yet he is god's chosen.


I think LoS2 severely lacked the needed anger at god that Dracula should have had.

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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2014, 09:14:01 AM »
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The biggest one of all, after spending hundreds of years yearning to die, why all of the sudden is Gabula is just "Cool" with being immortal at the end?
This was a man whom everything was taken away from him and he has become a monster, yet he is god's chosen.


I think LoS2 severely lacked the needed anger at god that Dracula should have had.
I know what you mean. I guess you could say that Gabula underwent some sort of redemption and came out at piece with himself. No longer letting fate/destiny dictate his path. Plus, now he has an eternity to spend with his son. Keep in mind, that I think that it was a sh!tty end and that Gabula should have just died at the end.
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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2014, 11:12:11 AM »
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The biggest one of all, after spending hundreds of years yearning to die, why all of the sudden is Gabula is just "Cool" with being immortal at the end?
This was a man whom everything was taken away from him and he has become a monster, yet he is god's chosen.


I think LoS2 severely lacked the needed anger at god that Dracula should have had.

Speaking of which, where was God in the 2nd game? Why did they leave him out and replace him with "fate?" Was it too un-mainstream to have God be a directing force in a game like the first one? Having the whole "fate" spiel was so cliche and boring.  :-\
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Re: Lords of Shadow plotholes (may contain spoilers)
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2014, 11:43:18 AM »
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The biggest one of all, after spending hundreds of years yearning to die, why all of the sudden is Gabula is just "Cool" with being immortal at the end?
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