Topic: Stop Internet Censorship before it Starts!

[Kale]

Thread bump because:
http://americancensorship.org/?ak_proof=1
It's still alive, folks.

EDIT: Disregard this post, just learned that Obama has vowed to veto the bill if it ever passes the Congress. Bet this is old news. LOL

Really? he vowed to veto it? insteresting.... I'd have thought he'd be all for it.

Secondly... a veto isn't a be all end all action, it can be overruled by the house.

[X]

Really? he vowed to veto it? insteresting.... I'd have thought he'd be all for it.

I think Obama found some details in the bill that were questionable. Details that would, in the long-run would cause more harm then prevent. I'm assuming that whom ever wrote it was wanting just that much more power then/she currently has. Obama probably saw this and vetoed it.

[Flame]

Just use this as your handy dandy guide to the important SOPA players.



that guy who looks like Gollum down there wrote the bill.

Also, guess what? The 4 down there? All get campaign money from the TV and Entertainment industry.

[Mega Man Model T 101]

I myself am against the SOPA censorship deal, however, basically yeah, SOPA is "Supposedly" supposed to be against piracy sites. I won't mention any sites by name just in case it'll cause this site to have even more trouble, but I know of some sites that probably will be shutdown most assuredly. However fan sites I'm not entirely sure about.

I mean, they're site dedications. They aren't making money or stealing money from companies. If anything they help support the things they're dedicated to, and thus, get more people interested and to buy stuff.

The music and movie and TV show thing is fairly up for debate. Actually it isn't really for some terms. To me, it all really depends on the movie, and show. Why? Well, look at it this way. I can understand someone getting steamed about say a currently released movie and show, that isn't available on DVD or is just released on DVD. But there are some lines to be drawn. Like an OLD old old TV show or movie, that has had no DVD release what so ever, and I think if people want to see it, they should.

Also watching games on youtube either gets you interested in buying the game later, or it doesn't. If anything youtube has increased sales or reduced sales accordingly. If something is bad, something is BAD.

But think there are a fair good amount of people going against the SOPA thing. I've seen people post certain things on DA and there are several people agreeing with the poster on how bad it is. There is ONE place I'd have thought would have probably really got things moving when I tried to announce it over there, buuuuut they don't seem to honestly care none too much. Like, it's only gotten 37 views since it's been posted. They obviously aren't too concerned about it. Even though the whole site itself can be considered a major piracy site probably.

Point is, I see that a good major amount of people are against it, and are probably acting on it now. Hopefully we'll beat this thing.

And I'm just throwing it out there, I'm NOT doing this for no stupid porn. I myself can live without and have lived without it for 22 years.

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I mean, they're site dedications. They aren't making money or stealing money from companies. If anything they help support the things they're dedicated to, and thus, get more people interested and to buy stuff.

Thats the issue. SOPA is so vaguely worded that it means sites like these COULD get prosecuted.

And without a court order either. All it takes is a legit looking document from some lawyer or something. Something any lawman can write. And then its up to the accused site to either shut down, or risk the mystery consequences.

[Kale]

The other problem... if SOPA doesn't pass on the 21. Yes... they delayed it like a week. There is still the Protect IP bill. On another site, someone said something that seems to make a good deal of sense to me... Since SOPA is so ridiculous... it seems the Protect IP bill will come in afterwards and make people think "Oh that's not as bad" and accept it because of that.

[Flame]

Don't count on it.

Not with organizations like Demand Progress.

[Dracul]

The law is scary and badly written.  I went ahead and took my site down, and it leaves NO difference for non-profit fanism and true copyright pirates.  I would strongly suggest Kurt to consider shutting down his site (this site) if it passes.  From a liability stance its a nightmare.  Content providers are DIRECTLY held LEGALLY responsible for users actions.  It goes so far to say humming a copyrighted tune on youtube (if it continues to run that is) could land the user up to 5 years felony in jail,its that badly written.  Horrible law, but i'm sure it will probably pass.  After all the veto threat was used against the NDAA and it was signed anyways (National Defense Authorization Act).   Without getting into all the gritty details allows the US military to assasinate or imprison indefinetely without trial or notification even full citizens.  That passed both houses and was signed into law, its laughable to think that something less offensive then the NDAA won't pass and be signed.  Bye bye republic, were are turning into a corporate kleptocracy.

btw,

www.demoncastledracula.com

RIP America December 31, 2011.
RIP Internet January 24, 2012.

Oh an happy  new year.

[X]

The law is scary and badly written.  I went ahead and took my site down, and it leaves NO difference for non-profit fanism and true copyright pirates.  I would strongly suggest Kurt to consider shutting down his site (this site) if it passes.  From a liability stance its a nightmare.  Content providers are DIRECTLY held LEGALLY responsible for users actions.  It goes so far to say humming a copyrighted tune on youtube (if it continues to run that is) could land the user up to 5 years felony in jail,its that badly written.  Horrible law, but i'm sure it will probably pass.  After all the veto threat was used against the NDAA and it was signed anyways (National Defense Authorization Act).   Without getting into all the gritty details allows the US military to assasinate or imprison indefinetely without trial or notification even full citizens.  That passed both houses and was signed into law, its laughable to think that something less offensive then the NDAA won't pass and be signed.  Bye bye republic, were are turning into a corporate kleptocracy.

btw,

www.demoncastledracula.com

RIP America December 31, 2011.
RIP Internet January 24, 2012.

Oh an happy  new year.

*Sarcasim* All hail the New World Order of America, yaaaaaaaay! Let's now all goosestep to the new anthem that no-longer speaks of freedom *Sarcasim*

PS. Doesn't Lamar Smith look similar to George W. Bush? At least his jaw anyways?

[TheouAegis]

Looks like daddy Bush.

"Read my lips, no new torrents!"

[CastleToastM]

Looks like daddy Bush.

"Read my lips, no new torrents!"

Hmm, torrents.

You know, I just thought of something. The internet censorship bill is meant to stop pirates, right? What if it just caused piracy to boom, due to a whole bunch of people wanting free files before they can't potentially get them anymore?

What if the whole thing just worsens the very thing that they're trying to prevent?

[Kale]

I think Obama found some details in the bill that were questionable. Details that would, in the long-run would cause more harm then prevent. I'm assuming that whom ever wrote it was wanting just that much more power then/she currently has. Obama probably saw this and vetoed it.

I also recently learned he vowed to veto the NDAA bill, but he signed it reluctantly.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

Been leading my own little chorus against PIPA and SOPA since I heard about them last year.

If this bill passes, we're all screwed. And so too shall be the future.

[X]

I guess today's the day that they vote on this bill... several websites I regularly frequent are in protest mode due to this and they are encouraging everyone to vote down the bill so it doesn't pass. And after all the Snake-head sh*t I've about it I know who I'm gonna vote for.

[Inccubus]

Hmm, torrents.

You know, I just thought of something. The internet censorship bill is meant to stop pirates, right? What if it just caused piracy to boom, due to a whole bunch of people wanting free files before they can't potentially get them anymore?

What if the whole thing just worsens the very thing that they're trying to prevent?

That's exactly what it'll do. That's how it works. The tighter the grip the government has on something people want, the more criminal people become to protect their right to it. Look at Prohibition. If this passes everyone that owns a copyrighted DVD and a dvd reader should copy every movie and TV show they have and put it on the internet. Now that would be a real protest that would have the entertainment industry shitting bricks. Plus the people in charge with the legal repercussions of it would be overwhelmed and know where to start. You can't have a case of the People V. The People after all.