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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: zangetsu468 on April 04, 2016, 10:14:31 PM
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This is the timeline I made of all foreseeable connections between Castlevania games:
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[Judgement]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
**<<<<<SuperCVIV>COTM<<<<<<<+
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^ l v ^ +<<<<<<<BE
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^ l v ^ v BE>>> VK<**
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+ <<<<Legends>HC>OOS>LOD>64 ^
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v l * <<<BE RE
v l ^ ^
LOI>CVIII>COD>AR>BR>CVC>CVII>HOD>ROB>SOTN>OOE>BL>POR>AOS>DOS>>>/>>>KD
v ^ v
BE ^ v
BE=Bad Ending v ^ v
RE=Richter Ending * +<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<+
I've added theplottwist's placement of Kid Dracula to this, but it doesn't fit into my sig since there are too many characters.
There are a few connections/ assumptions/ explanations that aren't or may not be clear when reading this:
-The notion of the Vampire Killer or equivalent being the main weapon used for killing Dracula is present in all 3 timelines (running parallel) being:
LOI>DOS
Legends>64/VK
SuperCVIV>COTM
However, the backstory which occurs during LOI only happens in the Iga timeline of LOI>DOS. This means that Cornell (LOD) and Alucard (SOTN) are the only ones able to keep Dracula from incarnating/resurrecting either without using the whip or Dracula's own power (Shanoa, Hector-possibly)
-When Richter enters Castlevania in SOTN's playthrough and defeats Shaft, this is the ending that would have happened if Richter never became completely under Shaft's control. Iga's timeline states that after the battle with Dracula in 1794 "Shaft's curse seeped into Richter's heart" because that battle "left him defenseless". It also states that in 1797 "Shaft would come to exist as a spirit only manifested in a crystal ball... However, in 5 years since the last battle, Shaft manages to regain power through Richter's curse.. After 4 years Shaft manages to gain full control over Richter".
This playthrough/ending doesn't change the fact that Shaft's curse was placed upon Richter, but it does potentially alter the timing of when Richter entered the Castle. For some reason Alucard had not awoken yet, that reason is most likely that Richter was not yet completely under Shaft's control, hadn't yet become the first Castle's Lord, and manages to defeat Shaft instead.
-VK=Vampire's Kiss=Dracula XX
-If SOTN's Richter ending happens and Alucard never awakens, then VK potentially happens afterwards.
-Legends still shares a connection to CV3 in history although I don't believe these are connected any longer
-LOD>64 lead into VK but only if the bad ending happens whereby Malus grows into an adult. (VK's Dracula shares the same appearance as Malus with the red eyes and hair colour imo)
-ROB's bad ending is Richter not making it in time to save Annette, thereby ending the Belmont bloodline leading into Reinhardt's story.
-SOTN's bad ending has the same outcome as ROB's bad ending. (no more direct Belmont bloodline)
-COTM could potentially happen after VK, but only after SOTN's Richter Ending i.e. it can not be preceded by LOD>64 as they occur in the 1850's and COTM happens in the 1830's.
-VK has no set year and is the variable element which connects much of this web. The prologue in the game only states that it occurs "Hundreds of years after Simon Belmont defeated Dracula." Hundreds could mean two-hundred to several hundred. There is always a Simon v Dracula battle which precedes its placement in this timeline.
-Castlevania Chronicles, Haunted Castle and Super Castlevania IV are all parallel events where Simon defeats Dracula.
-COTM can occur prior to LOD>64 but if VK follows SCVIV must have occured prior to COTM as Simon has to have defeated Dracula for VK to occur.
-HC>OOS' connections are made due to the Simon Statue during the Medusa boss fight. This could only be a statue made in honour of Simon and not the Simon Belmont from HC failing and being turned to stone by Medusa or else the direct Belmont Bloodline would have ended, meaning Desmond would not have been the heir to the Belmont's Whip.
-The break line between DOS>>>/>>>KD is because Galamoth goes back in time to 1797 (10,000 years prior to KD) to face Dracula but is defeated instead by Alucard. KD would have to happen in the first instance of this timeline occurring, but since he is defeated in the past he would no longer manifest again. In essence this means KD is a self-contained story which is essentially a time loop. Evidence of this was that Galamoth's soul was absorbed by Soma and existed within the confines of Castlevania between the events of SOTN>AOS. (Thank you plottwist).
- There are several other potential connections which have been illustrated and some which I probably haven't.
This is it. I just wanted to finally make it a topic. Comments are welcome.
For anyone who is interested I will be posting this timeline on my instagram account, feel free to follow me at AusGameCollector .
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In order to put everything on your signature, you might want to turn the timeline text into a picture.
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In order to put everything on your signature, you might want to turn the timeline text into a picture.
Thanks Shiroi. How do you paste a photo into your sig box?
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Upload the image. Copy its link and paste it on your signature. Place it between the image code [ img] [ /img]
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Upload the image. Copy its link and paste it on your signature. Place it between the image code [ img] [ /img]
Ah I see, it has to be uploaded. Will try later. Cheers plottwist
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My timeline is a helluvalot bigger... it would never work as a signature.
Too many lynchpin points.
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My timeline is a helluvalot bigger... it would never work as a signature.
Too many lynchpin points.
Haha what are you saying Jorge, yours is better than mine? :P
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My timeline is a helluvalot bigger... it would never work as a signature.
Too many lynchpin points.
Show your timeline Jorge! :)
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Y'all have already seen my Gaidenverse timeline, and honestly that's the only one I'm driven enough to make. I think I've finally burned out on my "scholarly" endeavors for this series, which is a big component in that.
That opening post with the timeline is very visually complex and I am having trouble tracking it all. It may be that it's very late and I need sleep, so I'll check it out again in the morning but seriously... damn son.
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Would it be shocking to say that Sypha and Trevor hooking up Isn't Canon?
Yessss, Timeline splits at CV3 as well...
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Would it be shocking to say that Sypha and Trevor hooking up Isn't Canon?
Doesn't Juste have Belmont and Belnades blood? If there's a more reductive explanation to this I'm all ears.
Also I'm hoping all of the arrows are aligned. I completed it on one PC and they were, now I'm viewing on another PC and they're not, but that's probably because it's only 700+p and not true HD. I can't even make sense of it on a mobile device. Anyways apologies if some of you are having trouble viewing this. These were the intended 3 main timelines:
LOI>CVIII>COD>AR>BR>CVC>CVII>HOD>ROB>SOTN>OOE>BL>POR>AOS>DOS
Legends>HC>OOS>LOD>64
SuperCVIV>COTM
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Using the pc where arrows align, take a screenshot and save it as a picture.
Use the attachments and other options on the reply screen of this forum to add the file, if you are not fond of finding a photo host online.
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Using the pc where arrows align, take a screenshot and save it as a picture.
Use the attachments and other options on the reply screen of this forum to add the file, if you are not fond of finding a photo host online.
True... Damn, I must have had a brain-fart to not think of that ... Oops ;D
(FYI this photo was also uploaded to the IG account I previously mentioned.)
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I'm sorry everyone, the correct version is attached.
I've realised the "correct" version I made somehow had an error where one part had moved out of alignment and thus affected the timeline.
This version is the CORRECT corrected version.
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Doesn't Juste have Belmont and Belnades blood? If there's a more reductive explanation to this I'm all ears.
Also I'm hoping all of the arrows are aligned. I completed it on one PC and they were, now I'm viewing on another PC and they're not, but that's probably because it's only 700+p and not true HD. I can't even make sense of it on a mobile device. Anyways apologies if some of you are having trouble viewing this. These were the intended 3 main timelines:
LOI>CVIII>COD>AR>BR>CVC>CVII>HOD>ROB>SOTN>OOE>BL>POR>AOS>DOS
Legends>HC>OOS>LOD>64
SuperCVIV>COTM
Basically, Sypha's Bio heavily implies she's pretty much an Orphan with only Magic users as her kin.
If Sypha Hooked up with Trevor (Sypha ending) Juste is ultimately born, but If Sypha parts ways and Alucard is teamed up with Trevor, Richter is ultimately born.
Also, it could be a good explanation of so many variants of Simon Belmont's adventures
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Basically, Sypha's Bio heavily implies she's pretty much an Orphan with only Magic users as her kin.
If Sypha Hooked up with Trevor (Sypha ending) Juste is ultimately born, but If Sypha parts ways and Alucard is teamed up with Trevor, Richter is ultimately born.
Also, it could be a good explanation of so many variants of Simon Belmont's adventures
That might not be correct. You're assuming that the in-game "one partner only" rule is actually what happened. It's not. It's confirmed by Trevor in Curse and Judgment, Simon, Alucard and Grant in Judgment, Yoko in Dawn and the multiple manuals that Alucard, Sypha and Grant were all together at the same time in the final battle.
THOUGH if you're saying that it depends on Trevor finding Sypha or not, it makes more sense.
One more thing: The ancestry tree I posted here shows that there are more surviving Belnades prior to Sypha -- from which Yoko descends. She might be an orphan, but it's possible she had sisters or brothers.
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That might not be correct. You're assuming that the in-game "one partner only" rule is actually what happened. It's not. It's confirmed by Trevor in Curse and Judgment, Simon, Alucard and Grant in Judgment, Yoko in Dawn and the multiple manuals that Alucard, Sypha and Grant were all together at the same time in the final battle.
THOUGH if you're saying that it depends on Trevor finding Sypha or not, it makes more sense.
One more thing: The ancestry tree I posted here shows that there are more surviving Belnades prior to Sypha -- from which Yoko descends. She might be an orphan, but it's possible she had sisters or brothers.
More depending if Trevor hitches with Sypha or not, they were all present, yes. but the manual evidence goes kinda against Sypha having siblings other than other Magic users at that time, Theory suggests that Simon being born is inevitable, but his parents are time-rift dependent.
As Trevor+Sypha shipping, Sypha and trevor lived a more peaceful life raising young X Belmont.
But, Sypha being the Witch who took part in defeating Dracula, she was able to start her own clan, a band of magicians sanctioned by the church known as the Belnades.
Such is how the old ways go, Sypha couldn't really do both.
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Basically, Sypha's Bio heavily implies she's pretty much an Orphan with only Magic users as her kin.
If Sypha Hooked up with Trevor (Sypha ending) Juste is ultimately born, but If Sypha parts ways and Alucard is teamed up with Trevor, Richter is ultimately born.
I don't really buy this as I take COD as canon, where Trevor specifically says that "many brave warriors" fought in the battle against Dracula. Also in SOTN when Alucard fights the Dopplegangers boss in the Coliseum, all the 3 other warriors are present. This would indicate to me at least that they all met at some point, which correlates with COD Trevor's comments about them all fighting Dracula during the events of CVIII.
I will say though, it's an interesting theory.
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Now that the final image has been uploaded, you may now attach the file as an image in your original post. :)
Like so.
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Thanks Shiroi :)
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Glad to be of help! :D