Topic: -sigh- I'm so Sorry...

[KaZudra]

I really hope Kickstarter implements a refund system because of this...

ALSO
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/735638491636195328

[Dracula9]

I should probably quote my long-ass chat rant (from SI) on the matter so I guess I'll do that real quick.

Obviously there's been some cherry-picking of strictly the relevant posts to the subject (this entire post is one big copypaste) as well as skipping sections that deviated.

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(13:13:54) Lamda: let's look at MN9 from the very start
(13:14:24) Lamda: inafune going OH YEAH CAPCOM WELL FUCK YOU I'LL GO MAKE MY OWN MEGAMAN AND IT'LL BE BETTER THAN ANYTHING YOU CAN MAKE NOWADAYS SINCE I'M INAFUNE AND I MADE MEGAMAN GREAT BACK IN THE DAY
(13:14:34) Lamda: and then informing the world of his plans
(13:15:10) Lamda: people went batshit nuts in the hype that inafune was gonna go back to the skills that made MM a classic series and bring something fresh and new and exciting to the table for a content-starved fanbase to sink its teeth into
(13:15:19) Lamda: the kickstarter started
(13:15:34) Lamda: money poured in from eager fans wanting as much funding and exclusive merch as they could get
(13:15:56) Lamda: it's inafune making a brand-new megaman-esque title, right? what could go wrong, it's gotta be awesome!
(13:16:07) Lamda: then the delays started happening
(13:16:42) Lamda: people began to grow impatient and annoyed, but many chalked it up to development being a bitch of a process but retained hope that because it was inafune it would be all right in the end
(13:16:50) Lamda: then the videos and trailers started coming out
(13:16:58) Lamda: looking bland and uninteresting as it does now
(13:17:13) Lamda: hope dropped a little but people clung to it still because "oh it's just early in development you'll see it'll be great"
(13:17:19) Lamda: then more delays
(13:17:43) Lamda: then weak attempts to placate people by introducing HOLY SHIT BRAND NEW CHARACTERS THAT HAVE NEVER BEFORE BEEN SEEN AND oh wait that's literally just zero
(13:17:58) Lamda: hope dips a little further
(13:18:18) Lamda: and the cycle of delays and lack of actually invigorating updates to keep people satiated until release continued
(13:18:38) Lamda: eventually people started to get kinda pissed off at the whole thing and expressed their disdain
(13:19:20) Lamda: other games emerged on similar premises of "hey we're gonna revive this series because it deserves it" banking on nostalgia points
(13:19:32) Lamda: things like yooka-laylee exploded and diverted attention from MN9
(13:19:45) Lamda: then you have other industry events like the ordeal with konami
(13:19:58) Lamda: which surely affected some people and how they came to view big-name devs
(13:20:49) Lamda: i know that (if i hadn't already known, that is) if i saw konami openly display how little it understood its fanbase, and looked back at the game i helped fund that's been dragged through dev hell again and again with nothing interesting to show for it
(13:21:09) Lamda: i'd probably grow to dislike that game's head just as i would dislike konami for their bullshit
(13:21:21) Lamda: then you have the demo release which was everything people feared
(13:21:23) Lamda: boring
(13:21:24) Lamda: linear
(13:21:27) Lamda: uninteresting
(13:21:50) Lamda: fun to look at and plop around in for all of five minutes before the initial charm wore off and you realized just how empty of substance it actually was
(13:22:03) Lamda: faith in the project and inafune drops even more
(13:22:30) Lamda: finally after MORE delays one dude gets pissed off enough to share a full-game leak for the 360 build on /v/ and do a full run of it
(13:23:02) Lamda: and lo and behold the entire game from start to finish is just as bland and repetitive and lacking in uniqueness and substance as the demo
(13:23:45) Lamda: people who had doubts but kept clinging to hope, trusting in inafune to deliver because of nostalgia, finally saw what they'd been waiting so long for
(13:23:48) Lamda: and it was shit
(13:23:55) Lamda: all that money
(13:24:15) Lamda: all that time waiting for the team that obviously has no understanding how to handle public relations and marketing strategies
(13:24:35) Lamda: and it went towards a boring pile of recycled shit
(13:25:24) Lamda: oh hey look at all these characters that are totally origina-oh wait, nope, that's literally roll, basically zero with some protoman elements, a jolly fat dude helping out who could easily just be a young thomas light without a beard

//a few minutes later//

(13:31:10) Corvus: so how should they have handled it?
(13:31:37) Lamda: probably by not spending so much time trying to appeal to nostalgia by having shitty recycled character inserts
(13:31:53) Lamda: probably by investing more time in thoughtful game design
(13:32:06) Lamda: probably by having a more competent PR team

(13:33:02) Corvus: yeah, I agree. Now that I think about it, MN9 is pretty much an indirect, desperate attempt to give the fans more megaman.
(13:33:14) Lamda: yeah and it failed
(13:33:26) Lamda: probably in part to inafune not wanting to deviate from his little blue baby
(13:33:27) The_Walrus: mn9 is literally inafune seeing an opportunity to get money out of gullible fans and taking it
(13:33:58) Lamda: ^i'd bet money on that...jk funding toward inafune is a bad idea
(13:34:04) Lamda: think about it
(13:34:16) Lamda: how fucking starved for decent official content is the MM fanbase
(13:34:18) Lamda: hell
(13:34:21) Lamda: content in general
(13:34:40) Lamda: even counting fangames--how many of the more popular fan projects are still in development with no real release date announced?
(13:34:48) Lamda: MM fanbase is content starved
(13:35:06) The_Walrus: i think the issue is let content starvation
(13:35:07) Lamda: who better to get a quick and easy buck out of them than the dude who fathered the thing they all want more of?
(13:35:32) The_Walrus: and more the fanbase being used to content oversaturation
(13:36:57) Lamda: like
(13:37:00) Lamda: think about it
(13:37:04) Lamda: why does there NEED to be more shit [continuing or adding to existing storylines]?
(13:37:17) Lamda: like if capcom released a new MMZ series game that was actually pretty good
(13:37:24) Lamda: would it even be necessary?
(13:37:33) The_Walrus: the z series is over so of course not
(13:37:46) The_Walrus: even an elf wars prologue would be so "...why"
(13:37:55) Lamda: exactly, but how do you think the fanbase would react?
(13:38:19) The_Walrus: idk how the fanbase would react at this point
(13:38:22) The_Walrus: a lot of them hate capcom
(13:38:25) The_Walrus: and now inafune and inti
(13:38:27) Lamda: they'd blow up and foam at the mouth to get it and then only AFTER making fools of themselves for acting like rabid dogs would they realize the unnecessariness of the game and bitch online about it
(13:38:32) The_Walrus: so who would be left to care
(13:38:54) Lamda: a lot of the ones who hate capcom are the kinds of gamers who think gaming companies should just pander to their every whim and don't actually understand how the industry works
(13:39:11) Lamda: nobody, that's the point
(13:39:45) Lamda: the fanbase is so fucking dichotomous that it would absolutely buy any new official MM game but only complain about its flaws after they gushed about it

(13:42:27) Rhythm: the fanbase doesn't know collectively what it wants anymore
(13:42:35) Rhythm: they want nostalgia but they want new
(13:42:40) Rhythm: they want sequels but they want a new direction
(13:42:49) Rhythm: they want endings but they don't want it to end

Obviously the above doesn't pertain to literally everyone in the fanbase but it sure as hell applies to a great deal of it

And to think there was a period where I felt bad about not chipping in--looking at things now I'm glad I didn't waste throw any money at this.

[VladCT]

Welp, I have to say that I'm embarrassed of even being hyped at its infancy now. Guess Inafune really was just one man and needed the help of people who actually knew what the fuck they were doing, seeing how much of a miserable little pile of mismanagement this turned out to be.

Oh well, at least Bloodstained seems to be in good hands so far, though I have gotten a bit wary now.

[KaZudra]

This if any, is a PERFECT Opportunity for Capcom to do what Battlefield 1 did to CoD and release a trailer for a new Megaman game.

[Jop]

something like this?

 I know its not a game but...

[KaZudra]

something like this?

 I know its not a game but...

Nevermind, I'll get the Shovel and Flowers, He lived as died, blue...

[Abnormal Freak]

Oh well, at least Bloodstained seems to be in good hands so far, though I have gotten a bit wary now.

I'm excited just because you have an established game developer taking care of it, and IGA is a pretty seasoned producer who I always felt was a little held back by budget. Hopefully this and Yooka-Laylee turn out well or I'll likely never contribute to a Kickstarter game again. I already have zero interest in backing John Romero's new game; I'll wait and see if it's a good'un.

That MN9 trailer... Yeah, that's shitsauce. I'm hoping the game will at least be somewhat fun but it doesn't hold a lot of promise.

[Belmontoya]

To be honest, I have a lot of concern about Bloodstained.

It seems like contributors are being strung along with pointless updates like color shaders, empty test rooms and the likes. I have read pages long threads about the most trivial topics in the games development like shaders and bust sizes. I understand that he's trying to show the progress, but every time an update like that is shown I'm surprised at how much further behind the games development is than I expect it to be for the projected release date.

I feel like for how long it's been and how much money people have put up, they should have something more to show us at this point. Especially considering all of the stretch goal content they've taken on.

I have high hopes for Bloodstained and I hope it is everything the fans deserve. And I hope they release it within the time frame that's been promised.

I know that Michiru is working very hard! I can't wait to hear more from her.

I've never had much of an interest in Mega Man. Still, I was going to buy this game. But not now. Yikes...

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

I thought about donating when this was first announced way back when as a mega man fan but something told me to just set back and wait and see what becomes of it.

Sorry for those who backed this game with their hard earned money, those graphics and gameplay don't show the millions of donation dollars that went into it.

the CV fans are lucky we have IGA who is a big fanboy himself and knows what the fans are wanting right now.

[zangetsu468]

I never really understood the hype about this game.
I'm glad I did not invest into this.

[KaZudra]

I thought about donating when this was first announced way back when as a mega man fan but something told me to just set back and wait and see what becomes of it.

Sorry for those who backed this game with their hard earned money, those graphics and gameplay don't show the millions of donation dollars that went into it.

the CV fans are lucky we have IGA who is a big fanboy himself and knows what the fans are wanting right now.

MMmmm dem graphics. It finally makes Megaman X7 looks great, at least it had a graphic style that complemented the art direction.

I understand that Video Games are a bit costly, but look at Shantae, it only raised $776K, and it's presentation still looks top notch.

Here we have this shit, with a collective $4 Million AND and additional $400K with 2 extra kickstarters for "Extra Content". Knowing damn well we're getting at most a 15 stage glorified Megaman clone and the presentation is so Garbage that the "hype" trailer just assured you that not even $1 Million went into it.

Hell at least John Romero took down his Kickstarter in efforts to release a demo before putting it back up.

Keiji Inafune is a hack, and took the perfect opportunity to take money from desperate Megaman Fans, which brings more questions on his dismissal at Capcom. Knowing it doesn't even matter if the game sells well or not, He's already won.

[VladCT]

To be honest, I wouldn't call Inafune a hack myself, just way in over his head. IMO the whole thing reeks more of mismanagement and poor planning rather than outright dishonesty, though that may just be my idealistic side trying to give him the benefit of doubt.

[Dracula9]

Whether or not he's guilty of deliberately taking advantage of a desperate fanbase, it is clear that he's certainly guilty of being entirely unoriginal in his design, is likely completely unwilling to let go of his little blue baby, and clearly would rather use blatant and lazy rips of his old characters than actually come up with something more original for what should've been a spiritual reboot of the series.

Oh, and of course he's guilty of terrible management of resources, funds, and manpower and putting out a subpar product after months and months of overblown hyping.

[zangetsu468]

Here we have this shit, with a collective $4 Million AND and additional $400K with 2 extra kickstarters for "Extra Content". Knowing damn well we're getting at most a 15 stage glorified Megaman clone and the presentation is so Garbage that the "hype" trailer just assured you that not even $1 Million went into it.

3.2 million dollar mansion in Switzerland, whose papertrail ends at the Cayman Islands... My best guess.

[uzo]

I don't think many people realize how much 4 million dollars is chump change in the current game development industry to make and market a new product. I especially laugh at the people who think they were going to get an HD resolution 2D animated game on that budget. they'd go broke after the first level.