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Title: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 22, 2018, 10:31:58 AM
Seems like there’s a rumor that Simon might make it to the Switch’s Smash Bros. game.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/geekreply.com/geek-culture/2018/05/22/super-smash-bros-switch-is-full-blown-sequel-simon-belmont-rumored-to-join-roster/amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/geekreply.com/geek-culture/2018/05/22/super-smash-bros-switch-is-full-blown-sequel-simon-belmont-rumored-to-join-roster/amp)
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: mgfcortez on May 22, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
i'd like that but not going to get my hopes up
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: EstebanT on May 22, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
I've been fooled way too many times.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: knightmere on May 22, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
I doubt it but would be way cool.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Zuljaras on May 22, 2018, 12:42:49 PM
No way! Konami are miserable little pile of shi... secrets!
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: zangetsu468 on May 22, 2018, 03:00:04 PM
Really? This has been a rumour for years though.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on May 23, 2018, 05:36:10 PM
Is Konami stepping up its game with Bloodstained right around the corner?
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: knightmere on May 23, 2018, 07:49:39 PM
bump
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on May 23, 2018, 08:55:14 PM
Thread title: What if I told you that Simon Belmont was gonna be in Smash?
Me: I wouldn't believe it for a moment.
Thread title: I could give you my word as a Spaniard.
Me: No good. I've known too many Spaniards.
Thread title: Isn't there any way you'll trust me?
Me: Nothing comes to mind.
Thread title: I swear on the soul of my father, Reinhart77, you will see Simon Belmont in Smash.
Me: Well mayb-- nope. Nope. Nothing.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: zangetsu468 on May 24, 2018, 02:37:58 AM
Thread title: What if I told you that Simon Belmont was gonna be in Smash?

What if I told you... This quote was being *narrated by Morpheus*
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on May 24, 2018, 10:56:14 AM
What if I told you... This quote was being *narrated by Morpheus*

My Princess Bride reference becomes a Matrix reference.

META.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Dremn on May 27, 2018, 02:08:40 PM
Simon has been mentioned in a lot of "leaks," I could see it happening this time.

Question is, which Simon will they use?
(https://i.imgur.com/62ICaow.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hBR98Rm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CqnqDjr.jpg)
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: X on May 27, 2018, 04:12:09 PM
Hopefully not Chronicles Simon. Those girly looks don't work with his massive Conan body  :P

The top image however looks badass! I'd go with that.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Super Waffle on May 27, 2018, 06:17:11 PM
woop watch it end up being the Judgment version again.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 28, 2018, 12:13:27 PM
They would probably go for the most current version of Simon, which would be the Grimiour of Souls version, which would be a nice recognisable one too.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: The Puritan on May 28, 2018, 07:35:57 PM
Grimoire of Souls version but colored to look more like his old NES sprite. Alt colors include Simon's Quest, SCV IV, and actual GoS colors.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: KaZudra on May 28, 2018, 10:41:58 PM
As long as they don't do a "Megaman" where the model looks too much like the NES sprites rather than the official artwork.

Then again, Simon simply showing up will be the tipping point for me buying a switch.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: GuyStarwind on May 28, 2018, 11:24:42 PM
If Simon actually shows up I'll buy a switch. I would be curious on his moveset though. CV has a lot of religious things in it, especially for a Belmont. Do you think they'd use crosses, bibles, and holy water?
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Inccubus on May 31, 2018, 12:32:53 AM
If those miserable bastards actually allow Simon to be in the roster, I'll buy a switch too.
And I literally have zero interest in Smash.
Nor would I buy a copy of Smash.
Ok, I was gonna get a Switch anyway. ;P
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: gallandryal on June 08, 2018, 09:49:59 AM
Simon has been mentioned in a lot of "leaks," I could see it happening this time.

Question is, which Simon will they use?

(https://i.imgur.com/CqnqDjr.jpg)

this one obviously. The only one and true Simon.

Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: zangetsu468 on June 08, 2018, 08:27:44 PM
this one obviously. The only one and true Simon.

*Sigh*... Man.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 09, 2018, 06:03:17 PM
That could be one of the skins for him.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Kingshango on June 09, 2018, 10:16:02 PM
There's been "Simon coming to Smash bros" rumors since Brawl.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: X on June 09, 2018, 11:18:36 PM
Quote
That could be one of the skins for him.

I would laugh my ass off if that was the case! It would be totally retro and probably help sell more of the game too just for that alone, lol.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 10, 2018, 09:17:41 AM
There's been "Simon coming to Smash bros" rumors since Brawl.

That is correct, but now there's some weight to it due to the source.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 07, 2018, 09:46:12 PM
They've changed it now, but someone accidentally named the Galaga song on the main Smash YouTube page Bloody Tears/Monster Dance
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 07, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/455098996101480449/476590543095201792/Screenshot_2018-08-07-23-20-29.png

Here is what it was.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: RichterB on August 08, 2018, 12:09:22 AM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/455098996101480449/476590543095201792/Screenshot_2018-08-07-23-20-29.png (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/455098996101480449/476590543095201792/Screenshot_2018-08-07-23-20-29.png)

Here is what it was.


I'm way more excited for this than I thought I'd be. Mega Man AND Simon, two of the biggest non-Nintendo NES icons, together in one game would be amazing. I really feel like it's going to happen this time. And this makes me feel like the floodgates are going to open soon for Castlevania, as I said during E3 with all the rumors and evidence coming together. We had the two "leakers" talking about Resident Evil 2 Remake and new Smash characters, all of which were confirmed by Nintendo except Simon at said event, and the intriguing talk from the Gamekult editors, too, about a game they couldn't discuss at the time, which didn't appear to be Hyper Sports R:

I'm still very curious to see how this pans out given the previous reporting. Nothing may happen, but it's not out of the question that Konami could revisit Castlevania beyond GoS. Here's why:

1.) As reported on numerous sites in June 2017 from Konami rep: "All I can say is that there is lots of internal discussions going on within Konami regarding what games we can bring to the Nintendo Switch, other than Bomberman, a game which we are well aware of its heritage and how loved it and Castlevania is. So much so that Castlevania is getting is getting its own show on Netflix and because of that, we’re hearing a lot of desires from our fans for a new Castlevania series. So we do know there is a demand for a new game, but right now nothing is set in stone as the discussions are still on going." (i.e. [url]http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/konami_on_super_bomberman_r_support_and_the_possibility_of_producing_more_games_for_switch[/url] ([url]http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/konami_on_super_bomberman_r_support_and_the_possibility_of_producing_more_games_for_switch[/url]))

2.) After the previous statements, "Belmont Bomber" Simon skin comes to Super Bomberman R for Switch. (i.e. [url]http://www.siliconera.com/2017/06/29/super-bomberman-r-update-lets-play-simon-belmont-pyramid-head-bombers/[/url] ([url]http://www.siliconera.com/2017/06/29/super-bomberman-r-update-lets-play-simon-belmont-pyramid-head-bombers/[/url]))

3.) Netflix announces Season 3 of Castlevania is in the works, with Season 2 launching in Summer 2018. (SEE TWO ARTICLES: [url]https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-19/netflix-castlevania-writer-2nd-season-premieres-this-summer/.126679[/url] ([url]https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-19/netflix-castlevania-writer-2nd-season-premieres-this-summer/.126679[/url]) & [url]https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-06-08/netflix-castlevania-animated-series-gets-3rd-season/.132605[/url] ([url]https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-06-08/netflix-castlevania-animated-series-gets-3rd-season/.132605[/url]))

4.) Curse of the Moon had "100,000 downloads less than a week after it launched...56% of them on Nintendo platform," and Ritual of the Night scored $5,545,991 on Kickstarter and has again recently gotten buzz as a replacement for Castlevania.
([url]https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-06-07-half-of-bloodstained-curse-of-the-moons-week-one-sales-were-on-switch[/url] ([url]https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-06-07-half-of-bloodstained-curse-of-the-moons-week-one-sales-were-on-switch[/url]) & Google search game and Castlevania pops up in headlines).

What we see above is active interest in Switch's market, an apparently successful (and continued) revival of Castlevania's branding to a broader audience via the Netflix series, and what could be seen as "brand-poaching" of sorts with a new franchise getting compared to Castlevania and showing decent sales buzz.

I think we are gradually moving toward Konami doing something, in the same way that Capcom made their move with Mega Man 11. I don't believe it will be a truly bold move (i.e. expanding on the style of Castlevania 64/LoD), but it should be a lateral move that will complement Bloodstained's emergence. I wouldn't be surprised if we get 1.) A Castlevania 1 remake, 2.) A Castlevania III clone, perhaps even tied in to the Netflix series 3.) A mid-level Metroidvania. If any of the rumors are true, I do not believe it will be a return to Lords of Shadow or a straight GoS port, though the latter is the more likely of these two. I'm imagining it will either be done in-house with one of the seemingly newer teams, like the one that did Metal Gear Survive, or have it passed off to a company like WayForward, who I believe expressed their interest in Castlevania in the past. I'm pretty sure it will be either 2D or 2.5D when/if it does happen.

...

Well, I wouldn't say I have supreme confidence in Konami, but I want to pump the brakes a little, because here's what I'm left wondering...

First: What was the other Nintendo Switch game from Konami at E3? The official E3 site suggests two Switch games were supposed to be at E3 from Konami: "Action/Adventure > Nintendo Switch" and, later down the list, "Compilations > Nintendo Switch" ([url]https://mp1630k065.mapyourshow.com/7_0/exhibitor/exhibitor-details.cfm?ExhID=4XTDjeQv[/url] ([url]https://mp1630k065.mapyourshow.com/7_0/exhibitor/exhibitor-details.cfm?ExhID=4XTDjeQv[/url])). Hyper Sports R is a next-gen Wii Sports-style compilation game of various sports activities. So, was the E3 listing above suggesting that one game fit two categories--you could make a loose argument there because of the nature of sports in culture--or was the "Action/Adventure" game pulled or shown behind closed doors with some kind of extra restrictions to media? Secondly: The embargo seems to have been about Hyper Sports R, yet Gamekult, if translations were correct, said that the game being shown was not PES or Hyper Sports R and deflected the questioning when asked if it was "horror-related." (You could still make an argument for some sort of development related to Silent Hill or Metal Gear Survive, but Castlevania also fits there.) So, there are some questions there...

If we're speculating a little, besides the trends* posted earlier in this thread that are in favor of an eventual Castlevania return at some level, one has to wonder if it was decided it was too early in development to really showcase it, or if Nintendo changed their Smash reveal plans related to Simon, and therefore the potential tie-in with a Switch Castlevania was pulled for a later showing in a Nintendo Direct. I mean, we had all that alleged evidence of Star Fox Grand Prix existing from Retro and therefore perhaps making a showing, and then nothing. But that doesn't mean that game doesn't exist, either.

Knowing what the Gamekult editor was referring to, and if they can talk about it, would be huge. But if Simon is ever confirmed for Smash from the earlier roster rumors that already turned out to be correct, I think Castlevania for Switch will probably happen in some capacity, because that will be one too many rumors around the alleged game that will have come true when you consider the RE2 Remake confirmation, too.

In closing, sure, Konami is primarily more of a casino- and sports-focused company at this point, but given that they did something like Super Bomberman R (and now Hyper Sports R), I don't think they won't do games under the right conditions--i.e. potential profits to be made from market timing-driven properties.

*In that earlier post, I forgot to add that Solid Snake is back in Smash (and Bomberman was added as an Assist Trophy), which is a licensing deal with Konami, showing some continued partnership on Konami's part with Nintendo Switch.


Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Neobelmont on August 08, 2018, 12:52:31 AM
It's been along times guys. This was the only place in the world that can possibly understand how I feel. I been wanting Simon since brawl, melee possibly. I was still in middle school. But regardless, hope ya'll doing well.
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Nagumo on August 08, 2018, 07:08:23 AM
Simon and Richter confirmed with Alucard as assist trophy.

Possible Kid Dracula appearance as well.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 08, 2018, 07:13:34 AM
Thread renamed, because now it's TRUE.
Simon and Richter, and other goodies.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 08, 2018, 07:39:08 AM
Oh baby!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: AlexCalvo on August 08, 2018, 07:59:18 AM
Damn... looks like there is a ton of Castlevania content in the game too.  This is incredible.  I think we owe this to the popularity of the netflix series, probably to a lesser extent Bloodstained too, can you imagine if Miriam is ever added later? :o  Castlevania is coming alive again.  ;D
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on August 08, 2018, 08:02:21 AM
Good lord, Nintendo really is going all-out with this Smash Bros. I still doubt this is the start of Konami's redemption arc though.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Kingshango on August 08, 2018, 08:04:01 AM
Is this the start of Konami's redemption arc?
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on August 08, 2018, 08:09:26 AM
Is this the start of Konami's redemption arc?
Like I said, I still doubt it. More likely than not this was all on Nintendo themselves. They want all the starving old-school gamers, and I'd say it's working for the most part.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Dremn on August 08, 2018, 08:29:01 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Is this the start of Konami's redemption arc?
The same guy who leaked Simon said a new game and collection are also in the works, so it's looking very likely Castlevania is being revived!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: DoctaMario on August 08, 2018, 08:31:14 AM
Why does the shitty-ass smash community get nice things like this but we don't? Oh well, hopefully it means new games for the rest of us. I hate to say it but these additions to the game look cool as hell.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Aiddon on August 08, 2018, 08:47:28 AM
So we now have Metroid and Castlevania officially crossing over. Oh dear. I love how they realized the music is such a draw you can play the soundtrack on the go. In the words of Sakurai:

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/081/362/52e.png)
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Darth Cariss on August 08, 2018, 09:27:02 AM
I was hyped for Simon Belmont after all the rumors of leaks, but Richter too! Awesome. Guess I gotta buy a Switch! Also they said there was going to be a load of remixed Castlevania songs in the game because their music team are big fans. Will be some good stuff, no doubt!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 08, 2018, 09:41:57 AM
This reveal was a way hype! I've been using the gamefaq boards for smash and most people are more excited for K Rool, but I know you guys are more into the incredible CV content.
- Simon and Richter
- I believe this is the first time seeing classic Simon in full 3D?
- Appearances from classic bosses. Are they all stage bosses like Dracula?
- Alucard assist trophy
- 34 songs
- An incredible looking stage
- Death's scythe as an item

The only things that shocked me were no daggers (I'm fine either way, but I just thought they'd have them) and full on calling the moves crosses and holy water.

But DAMN!!!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: knightmere on August 08, 2018, 09:51:56 AM
This is more exciting to me than the Netflix series. Castlevania and Smash are two of my all-time favorite series in gaming! The amount of content being added is quite astounding considering what other 3rd party series have received.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Guy Belmont on August 08, 2018, 09:52:32 AM
Man this blew my mind, I have to get this NOW. And I see that the combat cross is here to stay.

And did anyone else notice that Richter is doing the same pose he did in art work for Rondo of blood.

(https://i.imgur.com/NMIh0S3.png)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1820/43024596565_093bf9b5f8_o.jpg)

It seem that Konami, have seen that if they want to be seen as a decent up standing company again. They gotta put the effort in.



Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: knightmere on August 08, 2018, 10:01:22 AM
Dark Samus being added is also freaking amazing!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Nagumo on August 08, 2018, 10:05:04 AM
It's odd how they're retconning the combat cross design into the regular canon. That pachinko game starring Richter did it too but I thought that was just Konami recycling assets.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 08, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
I'm not a fan of LoS, but I have no problem with the Combat Cross look.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on August 08, 2018, 10:26:31 AM
I don't mind it as much either since rather than lifing the Combat Cross design verbatim it's more like making nods to it.

By the way, is it still David Vincent as Richter?
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Guy Belmont on August 08, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
For anyone that wants a better look at the New Vampire killer,

Here
(https://i.imgur.com/D48gUGS.png)


The design to me looks like a mix of Gabriel and Victor Combat Cross.

Have to say I'm loving every second of it. Ohhhhh man, ohhhh The Love...
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 08, 2018, 11:00:03 AM
Though if you look the handle is combat cross but the tip is spiked ball. So, it that a mix of both? I didn't think combat cross had the spike ball
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Gunlord on August 08, 2018, 11:00:25 AM
Finally, Castlevania in Smash! Our dreams are coming true...
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Chernabogue on August 08, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
I've waited more than 10 years for this day. And it didn't disappoint.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Guy Belmont on August 08, 2018, 11:46:52 AM
Though if you look the handle is combat cross but the tip is spiked ball. So, it that a mix of both? I didn't think combat cross had the spike ball
Ahh I was Talking about the body. the chain was just taken from the older games. and thats really cool, its like its joining old and new, and I have to say it fits perfectly.  :)
Title: Re: Simon Belmont coming to Smash Bros?
Post by: Inccubus on August 08, 2018, 11:49:14 AM
If those miserable bastards actually allow Simon to be in the roster, I'll buy a switch too.
And I literally have zero interest in Smash.
Nor would I buy a copy of Smash.
Ok, I was gonna get a Switch anyway. ;P

I didn't think it would happen, but I can't not get a copy of the only game that exists with Mario, Link, Samus, Megaman, Pac-man, Sonic and Simon Belmont officially in it. Now all it needs is a platformer mode like one of the earlier smash games and Nintendo will have made an official version of Super Mario Crossover.

It's odd how they're retconning the combat cross design into the regular canon. That pachinko game starring Richter did it too but I thought that was just Konami recycling assets.

Just looks like they just added a cross guard to me.
The way they use the Vampire Killer in the actual game play is definitely not like the Combat Cross either.
Just a nod, I guess.
Can't even say the spike on the pommel is a reference since the original Vampire Killer design has been officially depicted with it in various illustrations.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on August 08, 2018, 12:07:36 PM
Fuck me, do I want a new CV game that looks like the CG footage! Classic looking Belmont, classic looking monsters, spooky "haunted castle" aesthetic that nods to classic Horror movies (like Universal and Hammer). Hell, the depiction of "CV" in that trailer, I love it more than all three LoS games combined!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: EstebanT on August 08, 2018, 12:46:11 PM
Man this blew my mind, I have to get this NOW. And I see that the combat cross is here to stay.

And did anyone else notice that Richter is doing the same pose he did in art work for Rondo of blood.

(https://i.imgur.com/NMIh0S3.png)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1820/43024596565_093bf9b5f8_o.jpg)

It seem that Konami, have seen that if they want to be seen as a decent up standing company again. They gotta put the effort in.

The Richter peace sign is also back from Rondo. Its beautiful.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 08, 2018, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from:  ME at the beginning of this thread
Thread title: What if I told you that Simon Belmont was gonna be in Smash?
Me: I wouldn't believe it for a moment.
Thread title: I could give you my word as a Spaniard.
Me: No good. I've known too many Spaniards.
Thread title: Isn't there any way you'll trust me?
Me: Nothing comes to mind.
Thread title: I swear on the soul of my father, Reinhart77, you will see Simon Belmont in Smash.
Me: Well mayb-- nope. Nope. Nothing.

Well I'll be goddamned.
I was actually wrong.

AND I AM SO HAPPY TO BE WRONG!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Aiddon on August 08, 2018, 01:17:08 PM
I don't mind it as much either since rather than lifing the Combat Cross design verbatim it's more like making nods to it.

By the way, is it still David Vincent as Richter?

Yes, he's back as Richter. He was already voicing Male Robin, so it only makes sense he could reprise the role with little hassle. I'm not sure if Keith Silverstein is playing Simon again
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 08, 2018, 01:20:16 PM
Yes, he's back as Richter. He was already voicing Male Robin, so it only makes sense he could reprise the role with little hassle. I'm not sure if Keith Silverstein is playing Simon again

Pfft everyone knows REAL Simon doesn't ever talk
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Neobelmont on August 08, 2018, 01:28:45 PM
I don't mind it as much either since rather than lifing the Combat Cross design verbatim it's more like making nods to it.

By the way, is it still David Vincent as Richter?

Richter S supports Lucina lol  ;D . Their even right next to each other in the smash group portrait.

But the references are incredible. Like how Simon kind of throwing his cloak gave me throw backs to Trevor from cv3 and even Gabriel from Mof.

And correct me if I'm wrong but is not the vampire killer design also current with how Trevor gets his whip power up as well?

Also it was brief, but I like how Richter did "hydro storm" in the pikmin stage.

Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Dremn on August 08, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
I am still absolutely floored by today. Castlevania got way more love than I expected for it, Sakurai rolled out the whole red carpet for the series.

Simon, Richter, Alucard assist, Dracula's Castle stage with unique bosses, 34 music tracks, and Death's scythe for an item...

I can see this getting a lot of people not familiar with Castlevania into the series, and I hope Konami plans to capitalize on this golden opportunity. Sakurai used the same method for Fire Emblem in Melee, and it paid off tremendously. This franchise is definitely on it's way toward a revival.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 08, 2018, 02:54:47 PM
Does anyone know if the bosses actually do stuff or do they just add visuals? I know Dracula does but wasn't sure about the others.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: knightmere on August 08, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
Does anyone know when the new Amiibos will be up for sale on Amazon?
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Darth Cariss on August 08, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
Does anyone know if the bosses actually do stuff or do they just add visuals? I know Dracula does but wasn't sure about the others.

I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine it'll be like stage hazards on other levels. So something like random Wolfman falls onto the map, does a few swipes and dashes off screen, and the players just have to dodge him while doing their regular fighting. Death probably does the ol' baby scythe spam that have to be avoided. That's my guess anyway.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Reinhart77 on August 08, 2018, 04:23:55 PM
Does anyone know when the new Amiibos will be up for sale on Amazon?
Omg Castlevania amiibos!  I havent looked into if smash is making new amiibs (yet), but the idea has got my attention.

Simon kinda reminded me of a He Man action figure moving around in the game.  So glad to see Luigi’s vacuum cleaner in the forefront  too.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: knightmere on August 08, 2018, 04:31:04 PM
Omg Castlevania amiibos!  I havent looked into if smash is making new amiibs (yet), but the idea has got my attention.

Simon kinda reminded me of a He Man action figure moving around in the game.  So glad to see Luigi’s vacuum cleaner in the forefront  too.

My understanding is Dark Samus and Simon Belmont are being released.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Neobelmont on August 08, 2018, 04:44:53 PM
Does anyone know if the bosses actually do stuff or do they just add visuals? I know Dracula does but wasn't sure about the others.

Who knows  but in good time eventually. Imagine a battle royal of sorts between the cv bosses and your friends. It would be like the yellow devil but super charged. But something triggers Dracula, so maybe there are certain requirements to trigger them.

I am still absolutely floored by today. Castlevania got way more love than I expected for it, Sakurai rolled out the whole red carpet for the series.

Simon, Richter, Alucard assist, Dracula's Castle stage with unique bosses, 34 music tracks, and Death's scythe for an item...

I can see this getting a lot of people not familiar with Castlevania into the series, and I hope Konami plans to capitalize on this golden opportunity. Sakurai used the same method for Fire Emblem in Melee, and it paid off tremendously. This franchise is definitely on it's way toward a revival.

Just alittle effort can go a long way. Market and present Castlevania right and people are going to notice. Sakurai I think is an exception I think, he can look at any series and just understand what makes that series relevant and make it have sense in a way where it is like something no one has ever seen before. Fe and cv I think from a certain point of view have similarities. like being a hardcore series that while people loved, they were kind of a cult status kind of series, then awaking happen and has been shot Fe into the  mainstream light. CV has not had that since the mid 90's perhaps.

Also I have been hearing a theory lately that the characters that have been chosen are possibly the top characters that were on the smash ballot. I wonder how possibly true that can be. Any opinions on that anyone? I know I submitted my vote to Simon so maybe there is a correlation?   
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Darth Cariss on August 08, 2018, 04:59:10 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/sound/index.html)

Has some of the Bloody Tears / Monster Dance track. I dig it.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: RichterB on August 08, 2018, 07:25:49 PM
The thing that's been largely overlooked, except by OSM, is that the ENTIRE LIST of E3 "rumors/leaks" noted on this board have come true now--even this one about Simon that some said was far-fetetched--except for the new Castlevania game project. So, if Ridley and Ice Climbers and Simon were real, and the Resident Evil 2 Remake for PS4 was real...I think we may be looking at least at a teaser of a new Castlevania game (or a collection) by the time E3 2019 rolls around.*

*I'm having trouble remembering if the "collection" in the rumors was just Hyper Sports R or not. But there was definitely a second "game" mentioned by Gamekult and at least one other source that seemed to strongly suggest a new Castlevania game. One "leaker," went so far as to note it was to counter Bloodstained's rise, as I recall. And given Konami's statements about Switch during Bomberman R, and all this Smash Bros action, it could be that Switch will be the test system for the revival.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Abnormal Freak on August 08, 2018, 07:48:21 PM
Holy frook!

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwhooties.homestead.com%2Ffiles%2Fwhackit.gif&hash=87619bec83893e6dd009f1f0e0d32ee7)
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: The Puritan on August 08, 2018, 08:16:43 PM
I have none of the current gen systems, but it's always been my rule that where Castlevania goes I follow. This just might sway my decision.

Also, can you guys imagine if they'd revealed Trevor instead of Simon and it was the Netflix version?

TREVOR BELMONT
****S IN YOUR DINNER
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on August 08, 2018, 08:27:04 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/sound/index.html)

Has some of the Bloody Tears / Monster Dance track. I dig it.
Tangentially related, I found it funny that Yasushi Asada did a Metroid track.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 08, 2018, 08:30:02 PM
I would love to see a Smash trailer with Simon and Richter fighting Dracula and Ganondorf together, and when all seems lost... LINK joins the fray.

That Monster Dance cover would pair exceptionally well with a ton of musical selections from LoZ, and it's not like Link doesn't already have a ton of experience fighting very similar foes to Dracula.

Come on Nintendo. You gave me dreams. Make them happen pleeeeease.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on August 08, 2018, 08:41:36 PM
No wonder they relegated Alucard to just a trophy, Crissaegrim too OP lol (https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/item/assistfigure.html)
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 08, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
That Trailer!!! AHHHHHH
34 music tracks from the series! Oh yeah!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Kamirine on August 09, 2018, 05:14:19 AM
So much love for Castlevania in Smash I felt spoiled! Now with that new mode, I can finally make my Captain N team!  So excited! 

Does this mean the rest of the rumor was real too?  Where there was a new game and a collection coming to Switch?
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Mysterii on August 09, 2018, 05:48:25 AM
A little thing I noticed in the screenshots of Dracula's Castle is that somehow, the Count is able to cast a shadow, when by all means he shouldn't since he lacks the soul necessary to do so.  I'm thinking that Nintendo is somewhat referencing the 1992 film with Gary Oldman with the shadow moving separate from Dracula, but almost in sync.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Inccubus on August 09, 2018, 09:28:16 AM
I can't believe no one has mentioned the return of THE BELMONT STRUT!!
Look close and you'll see Simon's walking animation.

Also, Do you guys realize if they include 2 echo fighters... We can have the whole Captain N cast in the game?
Zero Suit Samus -> Kevin
Palutena -> Princess Lana
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 09, 2018, 10:36:15 AM
Richter should either have a taunt or a victory where he says "I'm a Belmont that's my job"
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: chainsawmidget on August 09, 2018, 10:55:01 AM
This is the most excited I think I have ever been about anything Castlevania. 

Ever. 

Whoever designed the characters and art for that trailer needs to work on the next Castlvania game.  That's a perfectly wonderful and creepy look for the classic series. 



Also, Kid Icarus, Simon Belmont, and Megaman.  Together again for the first time!  Now we just need a Captain N mii costume...
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Inccubus on August 09, 2018, 12:20:34 PM
Also, Kid Icarus, Simon Belmont, and Megaman.  Together again for the first time!  Now we just need a Captain N mii costume...

And a Princess Lana Echo Fighter for Zelda.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: affinity on August 09, 2018, 05:11:14 PM
that Castlevania castle is gorgeous!!  they went all out with their newcomer cinematic sequence and intros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke8GxO3_Ml0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke8GxO3_Ml0)

both Belmonts look amazing, though Simon should have an alternate costume that keeps that badass hooded cloak.

and the cinematic itself are the greatest newcomer SSB intros EVER (with the exception of Palutena's, she is still is the most unexpected SSB newcomer ever.   its uncommon for nintendo to add a deity to a playable roster. and still one of the most viewed newcomer intros https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQBxNBNj3t8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQBxNBNj3t8)  )

Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 10, 2018, 07:52:02 AM
To make them a little different Richter's holy water should slide across the floor. That's how it is in his games.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: The Clark on August 11, 2018, 05:37:53 AM
Can't even remember the last time I signed in here, but I was so damn excited when I saw this. I just wanted to be around someone else and share the excitement. When I came to the main page and saw how long it's been since the last update, I felt a pang of sadness. Here was an active, passionate fanbase that basically got left out in the cold. I know we all wanted this, and in a way, I think we needed this.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 11, 2018, 11:27:53 AM
Can't even remember the last time I signed in here, but I was so damn excited when I saw this. I just wanted to be around someone else and share the excitement. When I came to the main page and saw how long it's been since the last update, I felt a pang of sadness. Here was an active, passionate fanbase that basically got left out in the cold. I know we all wanted this, and in a way, I think we needed this.

Someone should get Kurt to make an update about this and Season 2 of the animated series, just for old times' sake.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 11, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Please compile a set of pictures and I'll do it.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: affinity on August 11, 2018, 06:05:51 PM
if only IGA cared to help keep Sonia Belmont canon and made the successor to the canned Castlevania Resurrection game with retconned story so Sonia's plot doesnt contradict Alucard.  all they had to do was make Sonia the first Belmont, and after defeating Dracula, hold a tradition that men that marry Belmont women must still adopt the Belmont family name (some families actually use that tradition and special exceptions), and a different lore to the vampire killer whip.
very interesting plot possibilities which could have opened the door to new female Belmont heroes later in the timeline which could have side stories and adventures, which dont have to involve Dracula but still other evils, and there could be other vampires too.

 that would have been better than LOI and COD combined.

Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Darkmoon on August 11, 2018, 07:11:10 PM
And Dracula and a couple of bosses as stage hazards. And 34 music tracks.

Needless to say, I'm going to have to cover this game in some detail over on ICVD. Not that I didn't have an excuse to buy it anyway. I mean, it's Smash Bros. If Nintendo ever has a "must buy" game, it's the Smash ones.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 11, 2018, 08:57:53 PM
if only IGA cared to help keep Sonia Belmont canon and made the successor to the canned Castlevania Resurrection game with retconned story so Sonia's plot doesnt contradict Alucard.  all they had to do was make Sonia the first Belmont, and after defeating Dracula, hold a tradition that men that marry Belmont women must still adopt the Belmont family name (some families actually use that tradition and special exceptions), and a different lore to the vampire killer whip.
very interesting plot possibilities which could have opened the door to new female Belmont heroes later in the timeline which could have side stories and adventures, which dont have to involve Dracula but still other evils, and there could be other vampires too.

 that would have been better than LOI and COD combined.

I think you're in the wrong thread here, partner.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Flame on August 12, 2018, 05:18:57 PM
I'd be happy if we got a game with a Belmont that looks like Simon looks. LoS was a step in the right direction in terms of belmont looks, (and Simon looked great) but what we really need is the barbarian conan look.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: AlexCalvo on August 12, 2018, 09:34:57 PM
I'd be happy if we got a game with a Belmont that looks like Simon looks. LoS was a step in the right direction in terms of belmont looks, (and Simon looked great) but what we really need is the barbarian conan look.
I've always felt that it's a shame that we never got a game that fully realized the epic fantasy atmosphere of the oldschool game covers.  I'd love to see a modern game with 3D graphics that at least attempted it.  This Simon is honestly the closest we have ever gotten to that.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 13, 2018, 05:05:18 PM
It's a little bit sad that the coolest barbarian old-school Simon isn't in a CV game, but rather in Sma5h.
Richter looks really cool and I would've liked to have seen this version in The Dracula X Chronicles, instead of 'overly bound up' kerchief Richter.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: AlexCalvo on August 13, 2018, 05:26:40 PM
It's absurd how much that little video shows how much better Nintendo gets Castlevania than Konami does.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 15, 2018, 01:50:36 AM
This makes me think, could Nintendo have the rights to make the next Castlevania?
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 15, 2018, 06:08:32 PM
This makes me think, could Nintendo have the rights to make the next Castlevania?

I will sacrifice a fucking goat to Odin if it would make that happen.
I don't own a goat though...
I WILL SACRIFICE SOMEBODY'S FUCKING GOAT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: FanOfDracula on August 16, 2018, 01:03:24 AM
I've always felt that it's a shame that we never got a game that fully realized the epic fantasy atmosphere of the oldschool game covers.  I'd love to see a modern game with 3D graphics that at least attempted it.  This Simon is honestly the closest we have ever gotten to that.
DejaWolf was doing it, but it made so much noise that it was canceled :c, although this may have helped konami to see that there are still fans and many people who expect more from castlevania, perhaps and not to sit idly by the launch from Bloodstained, I believe that there will be a good game of exploration, but with the style and art of the old school, but in this moment CV in smash is great
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Reinhardt-Ehrgeiz21 on August 16, 2018, 05:51:33 AM
I cried manly tears during last Sma5h Direct. Now, I hope they'll add Jonathan Morris and Julius Belmont as new echo fighters of Simon and Richter, and maybe Shanoa as playable character...

... Oh, and why not Nathan Graves and Reinhardt Schneider? I'M AB-SO-LU-TE-LY SERIOUS.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 16, 2018, 02:43:36 PM
Now, I hope they'll add Jonathan Morris and Julius Belmont as new echo fighters of Simon and Richter, and maybe Shanoa as playable character...

Richter is already considered an echo fighter of Simon, unless I missed something big.

... Oh, and why not Nathan Graves and Reinhardt Schneider? I'M AB-SO-LU-TE-LY SERIOUS.

Probably because most casual Castlevania fans have forgotten who those guys are entirely, owing to the fact that their games weren't all that popular.

I mean, I get and appreciate that you're excited, but Smash is a celebration of Nintendo, not Castlevania. Several of Simon Belmont's games were staples of the early Nintendo library, warranting his inclusion. Richter is a very popular character, showing up as a primary character in three nope, four games (initially forgot DXC, remake status be damned) and making cameo appearances in several others, so it makes sense that he'd also be included. These are characters with big, broad fandoms.

Johnny Morris Smol Bean Edition, Julius, Nathan Graves, Reinhardt Schneider, and Shanoa are VERY niche characters, and Shanoa is further damned by having enough visual similarities with Bayonetta that a more casual Smash fan who hadn't played their games could probably confuse them onscreen, which wouldn't play well since Bayonetta is already in Smash Ultimate.

Sounds like you'd love Serio's Castlevania Fighter though.

(God's sake, is that even still around?)

It's good to have dreams though. Welcome to the forums, by the way.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on August 16, 2018, 06:05:10 PM
Sounds like you'd love Serio's Castlevania Fighter though.

(God's sake, is that even still around?)
It's still up, but Serio's pretty much run out of steam after going at it for so long.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: AxeLord on August 17, 2018, 10:51:19 AM
Do you think we'll see other characters represented via palette swaps?

Smash palette swaps have always been insanely well-researched. Nathan Graves' look would be easy to pull off with Richter.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: AlexCalvo on August 17, 2018, 12:44:22 PM
They really could pretty closely represent every version of every Belmont.  Simon could easily be Christopher and classic classic Trevor.  Richter could be Leon, Juste, CoD Trevor, possibly even Julius.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Mysterii on August 17, 2018, 12:47:53 PM
Do you think we'll see other characters represented via palette swaps?

Smash palette swaps have always been insanely well-researched. Nathan Graves' look would be easy to pull off with Richter.

Well we technically got Chris via Richter's red costume, although it could also represent the unnamed Rival from the 32X project (aka Hans/Harker)
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Shinobi on August 17, 2018, 01:26:50 PM
and Shanoa is further damned by having enough visual similarities with Bayonetta that a more casual Smash fan who hadn't played their games could probably confuse them onscreen, which wouldn't play well since Bayonetta is already in Smash Ultimate.

Shanoa is way more similar to Millenia from Deception 2 though minus the long hair and wearing a stocking.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: SecretWeapon on August 17, 2018, 03:57:52 PM

Johnny Morris Smol Bean Edition, Julius, Nathan Graves, Reinhardt Schneider are VERY niche characters

Yes

Quote
Shanoa

No. She's arguably in the top 5 CV protagonists tier (Simon, Ritcher, Alucard, Soma and Shanoa). I
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 17, 2018, 04:11:46 PM
She's arguably in the top 5 CV protagonists tier

Argued by whom?

I don't often see her referred to (especially by name) anywhere outside this website (and the Anti-Chapel forums back when those were a thing). In most discussions that I have seen, the top five tend to be the same all around, even if they shift in order.

Alucard, Richter, Simon, Trevor and for some reason LEON of all characters all get unreal amounts of press in favorites lists. And when Leon doesn't make it, Soma usually is in his place. I don't think I've ever seen Shanoa on more than a couple of those lists, and she's never very close to the top.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that you seem to be pulling from a completely different pile than I am, so I am genuinely curious as to how you came to the conclusions you did.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on August 17, 2018, 05:10:35 PM
Argued by whom?

I don't often see her referred to (especially by name) anywhere outside this website (and the Anti-Chapel forums back when those were a thing). In most discussions that I have seen, the top five tend to be the same all around, even if they shift in order.

Alucard, Richter, Simon, Trevor and for some reason LEON of all characters all get unreal amounts of press in favorites lists. And when Leon doesn't make it, Soma usually is in his place. I don't think I've ever seen Shanoa on more than a couple of those lists, and she's never very close to the top.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that you seem to be pulling from a completely different pile than I am, so I am genuinely curious as to how you came to the conclusions you did.

leon makes it because the dude had THE BALLS to walk into that shit with a normal ass whip
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: SecretWeapon on August 17, 2018, 07:00:52 PM
Argued by whom?

I don't often see her referred to (especially by name) anywhere outside this website (and the Anti-Chapel forums back when those were a thing). In most discussions that I have seen, the top five tend to be the same all around, even if they shift in order.

Alucard, Richter, Simon, Trevor and for some reason LEON of all characters all get unreal amounts of press in favorites lists. And when Leon doesn't make it, Soma usually is in his place. I don't think I've ever seen Shanoa on more than a couple of those lists, and she's never very close to the top.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that you seem to be pulling from a completely different pile than I am, so I am genuinely curious as to how you came to the conclusions you did.

It kinda goes default with having the 3rd most acclaimed metroidvania CV. But let's consider your list correct for a minute: All Belmonts + Morris fall into the Simon echo category. Outside  of them, the main CV options are more or less in order: Alucard, then Soma, then Shanoa and then Maria
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 17, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
It kinda goes default with having the 3rd most acclaimed metroidvania CV.

I... don't think it's the third most acclaimed castleroid. (http://www.metacritic.com/search/game/castlevania/results?sort=score)

Granted, MetaCritic is far from perfect but it's the closest thing to a objective broad spectrum test of this type of data.

By that rating, we have:

SOTN (duh) with a 93% favorable
Circle of the Moon with a 91% favorable (really wouldn't have called that one, but oh well)
Aria of Sorrow, also with a 91%

Even if we discard one of the two 91's, we're still left with Dawn of Sorrow in third place at an 89%. People liked this stuff.

Discounting rereleases, Order of Ecclesia is at 6th place on that list with an 85, tying with Portrait of Ruin (good critical reviews should be blamed for that one).

So let's get creative, and adjust Portrait's standing in favor of Ecclesia, because, honestly, we should. It's not bad (and anyone who says it is has forgotten what a truly bad game looks and plays like) but it's a long, long way from "beating Order of Ecclesia" level good. Even in that version of the list, Ecclesia BARELY cracks the top 5. Not bad at all, but still not enough to really say "third most acclaimed Metroidvania". Fortunately, we're discounting non-Metroidvanias from this list, and that means that, though it barely scrapes by, now that it's done so, it's secure.

If we allowed the classic games in though... that whole list changes.

I refer you again to my earlier comment:
Argued by whom?
...
I am saying that you seem to be pulling from a completely different pile than I am, so I am genuinely curious as to how you came to the conclusions you did.

We like OOE a lot on this forum (well, most of us do), and if this forum is your primary point of contact with the fandom, you'd come away with the impression that it's a pretty beloved game.

BUT!

A bunch of people actually disliked OoE because they thought it was too hard, or Shanoa's emotional character arc too subtle. Granted, this was in a pre-Dark Souls world, but that's the way that particular cookie crumbles.

Never forget that this forum is hardly indicative of the fandom at large. We're actually kind of strange outliers, for the most part. Find fans on Twitter or Google+, hell, even on Facebook, and opinions are wildly and chaotically more different than the stuff folks on this forum have an uncommon amount of agreement on.

So I don't see how "it kind goes default" because I can't find sufficient evidence to back up your claim that Ecclesia is "the 3rd most acclaimed metroidvania CV". Right now, I figure you're speaking/writing in fandom hyperbole and exaggerations. This doesn't make you bad (we all do it) but when you make that crazily specific and testable a claim, yeah, I'm gonna factcheck the hell out of it.



Addendum: OoE DOES crack the top three on more specialized gaming sites in just under half of the other sites I checked, but I went with Metacritic as it uses impartial listings that are much more free of bias because it only considers the raw numbers; most useful when one is trying to test against specific numbers.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 17, 2018, 11:20:06 PM
leon makes it because the dude had THE BALLS to walk into that shit with a normal ass whip

Thanks for giving me this quotable quote of the day!  ;D

And guys, we're moving off topic. Please direct all arguments on the best CV protagonist on the "Classic Castlevania Threads" portion of the forum. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: AlexCalvo on August 17, 2018, 11:23:06 PM
A quick look at the fan art and cosplay. of this series from just about any source shows a significant amount more love for Shanoa than Leon.  I wouldn't really call either of them top heroes in the series, but I certainly see a lot more love for Shanoa, from several sources.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 19, 2018, 06:23:06 AM
It makes sense that they got Simon AND Richter:
Simon was in CV1, CV2, and CV4 (and Wai Wai World 1 and 2 in Japan), and an unlockable in Harmony of Dissonance's BOSS RUSH, plus CV1 was re-released on the GBA.
Richter has DraculaX from the Wii's Virtual Console (Rondo), as well as the more recent Castlevania: DraculaXX (the SNES one), which was made recently downloadable on the eShop.  Plus, he was also in Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin and had a mode with Maria in that, and that was on the DS.

I think the other characters are being represented through the music.  I'm ECSTATIC that we got "Awake!" from Circle of the Moon is on there.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 19, 2018, 06:28:41 AM
It makes sense that they got Simon AND Richter:
Simon was in CV1, CV2, and CV4 (and Wai Wai World 1 and 2 in Japan), and an unlockable in Harmony of Dissonance's BOSS RUSH, plus CV1 was re-released on the GBA.
Richter has DraculaX from the Wii's Virtual Console (Rondo), as well as the more recent Castlevania: DraculaXX (the SNES one), which was made recently downloadable on the eShop.  Plus, he was also in Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin and had a mode with Maria in that, and that was on the DS.

I think the other characters are being represented through the music.  I'm ECSTATIC that we got "Awake!" from Circle of the Moon is on there.

Heck you can even throw Alucard in that category since he appeared in CV3 for the NES and Dawn of Sorrow for the NDS so he has 2 Nintendo entries under his belt, (come to think of it he is also "technically" in Aria of Sorrow for the GBA in the form of Genya Arikado so thats a total of 3 Nintendo appearances).
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: X on August 19, 2018, 10:54:59 AM
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I'm ECSTATIC that we got "Awake!" from Circle of the Moon is on there.

One of my all-time music faves in CV! I hope it sounds as good or better then its GBA counterpart, cause I've heard some versions out there that have not lived up to great expectations.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on August 19, 2018, 12:15:34 PM
Trevor would have brought more customers than Simon.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: theANdROId on August 19, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
There are not words to express my excitement about this!  If you care, here's a little story about when I found out:

So, I didn't get to see this announcement right away.  I'm not sure how long it was after the official Nintendo Direct...long enough that some news source was able to link to the video.  Anyway, work had started, and since it was the beginning of the school year things were particularly crazy and I wasn't paying attention to stuff like this.  The day I found out, we dismissed late, and I was trying to rush home because my church Pastor's wife was babysitting because my wife had to go to the doctor.  When I get home, she's reading a book to my son and agrees to finish it before heading home.  Just then, I hear a *ping* on my phone alerting me to a news article I might be interested in: "Nintendo Direct reveals Simon Belmont as playable...".  Remember, I hadn't been paying attention enough to even be aware that a Direct was coming up so I figure it can't be true, but I've also wanted and talked about how cool a Belmont would be since finding secret characters in the original Smash so I'm excited at the thought.  My initial reaction is to start excitedly shouting, "No way!  No way!  There's no way!  Konami's basically trashed everything good they had, there's no way they'd allow it!" as I open the article, but my pastor's wife is still there, and my daughter is asleep so...
...I get to the article, see the news and the link to the video and now it's even harder to not shout out, "Oh my gosh!  Oh my gosh!  It's real!  It's finally real, it's freaking real!"  Like an idiot, I click the link to watch the direct, only making worse the desire to jump and shout and run around my house despite the aforementioned reasons I couldn't behave that way.  By the time the video reached the hooded figure, I had to stop because I was about to explode.  To this day, nobody (except all of y'all now) knows the true story about what happened that afternoon.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on August 19, 2018, 03:23:07 PM
Trevor would have brought more customers than Simon.

Are you joking?

I mean I love me some Trevor, to be honest I'm a bigger fan of his than Simon's, but there is no disputing the fact that Simon is pretty much the quintessential Belmont and mostt well known hero amongst the CV fandom, he is the Belmont that first started it all and has appeared in more games than any other character in the series, really the only other character within the CV world that even comes close to his popularity and notoriety is Alucard.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 19, 2018, 11:15:43 PM
There are not words to express my excitement about this!  If you care, here's a little story about when I found out:

So, I didn't get to see this announcement right away.  I'm not sure how long it was after the official Nintendo Direct...long enough that some news source was able to link to the video.  Anyway, work had started, and since it was the beginning of the school year things were particularly crazy and I wasn't paying attention to stuff like this.  The day I found out, we dismissed late, and I was trying to rush home because my church Pastor's wife was babysitting because my wife had to go to the doctor.  When I get home, she's reading a book to my son and agrees to finish it before heading home.  Just then, I hear a *ping* on my phone alerting me to a news article I might be interested in: "Nintendo Direct reveals Simon Belmont as playable...".  Remember, I hadn't been paying attention enough to even be aware that a Direct was coming up so I figure it can't be true, but I've also wanted and talked about how cool a Belmont would be since finding secret characters in the original Smash so I'm excited at the thought.  My initial reaction is to start excitedly shouting, "No way!  No way!  There's no way!  Konami's basically trashed everything good they had, there's no way they'd allow it!" as I open the article, but my pastor's wife is still there, and my daughter is asleep so...
...I get to the article, see the news and the link to the video and now it's even harder to not shout out, "Oh my gosh!  Oh my gosh!  It's real!  It's finally real, it's freaking real!"  Like an idiot, I click the link to watch the direct, only making worse the desire to jump and shout and run around my house despite the aforementioned reasons I couldn't behave that way.  By the time the video reached the hooded figure, I had to stop because I was about to explode.  To this day, nobody (except all of y'all now) knows the true story about what happened that afternoon.

BEST REACTION EVER! It is hard to keep your emotions in check.
Well I couldn't run around when I got news of the announcement, but I was grinning and laughing like an idiot.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: SecretWeapon on August 20, 2018, 06:33:50 AM
Are you joking?

I mean I love me some Trevor, to be honest I'm a bigger fan of his than Simon's, but there is no disputing the fact that Simon is pretty much the quintessential Belmont and mostt well known hero amongst the CV fandom, he is the Belmont that first started it all and has appeared in more games than any other character in the series, really the only other character within the CV world that even comes close to his popularity and notoriety is Alucard.

maybe he's saying  it because of the Netflix show. Simon is THE Belmont but Trevor is the one getting more exposure rn

My faves are Ritcher, Juste and Julius so idc
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Abnormal Freak on August 24, 2018, 11:16:45 PM
It makes sense that they got Simon AND Richter:

Simon's the most popular Belmont with the most games, so that one's a given. Anyone expecting Trevor in his stead is a mite loopy.

Richter works as an echo fighter because he's the most set apart from Simon: bright blue instead of drab brown, faster movement and a ridiculous array of moves (in SOTN at least), pants[!], dark hair, etc. Now I don't know if any of Richter's crazy moves will be present in the new Smash to set him apart from Simon mechanically, but I hope so.

Trevor would have at least made a cool alternate color/costume for Simon, much like Cloud's two appearances in the last game. (They could fashion him after the Netflix series.) It's not like the core movesets would change any. Maybe that'll still be the case. I fully expect a color reminiscent of the Simon's Quest sprite, DON'T LET ME DOWN DEVELOPERS.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on August 26, 2018, 10:06:16 AM
Trevor would have brought more customers than Simon.
Eh, Simon is the Marth of CV. He's the original.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Darth Cariss on August 26, 2018, 11:07:01 PM
https://twitter.com/PazdaGT/status/1032481708568977408

It's nice to see people excited about Castlevania again.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: X on August 27, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
I'll personally be excited with Castlevania once more when I have an actual -new- CV game in my library.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on August 28, 2018, 04:33:37 AM
I'll personally be excited with Castlevania once more when I have an actual -new- CV game in my library.

I'm gonna disagree with this and take happiness where I can find it, mostly because for all my effort to force some optimism here, I can't shake this feeling that the Netflix series and Simon+Richter in Smash are going to be the end once and for all for this series.

It's the same feeling I had about the PlayStation Vita when it came out: "Yeah, this is awesome and all, but it really just feels like we've hit the end of the road here."

So enjoy it while you can, because we may not get any more out of this series, and if we do, it'll likely be an offensive reduction of the series to sell microtransactions to young mobile gamers with too much money and not enough responsibility.

Better to see it go out on a relatively high note, I think.

I know, it's pessimistic, but it's a pessimism that I have learned well and with good reason over many years, and virtually nothing done in-house by Konami proper has done even the slightest thing to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 25, 2018, 11:40:48 AM
Lost Painting track:  https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/10/24/castlevania-symphony-of-the-nights-lost-painting-comes-to-smash-ultimate/
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: X on October 25, 2018, 05:39:54 PM
It sounds a bit too guitar-heavy for my tastes, but oh well  :-\
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Jazz Paladin Productions on October 25, 2018, 06:35:05 PM
That's not one I would really envision coming to SMASH...

I can't say I like the guitar dependency either, and it's not that I don't appreciate different renditions either...

There are a lot of other tunes I would have chosen over Lost Painting, personally, for the context of Smash...

Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on October 26, 2018, 06:08:49 AM
I was about to say that it wasn't that bad, but then near the tail end of the preview it kinda sounded like it got confused as to where it's going and I pretty much lost interest on the rendition right then and there.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on November 05, 2018, 12:07:58 PM
They have a couple of new gameplay videos of the Belmonts in action.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 07, 2018, 08:59:30 AM
sweet thanks.  it looks weird to see simon use richter’s moves, but whatever.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: X on November 07, 2018, 09:33:53 AM
Yeah, Simon isn't trained in the martial arts as is Richter. You'd think they'd come up with a new set of moves for a barbarian-esque Belmont (which I think would be awesome sauce).
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Foffy on November 23, 2018, 07:26:40 PM
Just an FYI, it seems the game is out in the wild and is being datamined.

That includes people dumping the soundtrack.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Darth Cariss on November 23, 2018, 10:02:50 PM
If any of you want some music spoilers, here's a few I've found. Pretty sweet! More stuff from the game on this channel, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XPvlUd5f8Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XPvlUd5f8Y)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxSwJlCspQI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxSwJlCspQI)


EDIT: Had to remove two of the songs because the videos got taken down. Dang. There's a really great version of Crucifix Held Close though.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 25, 2018, 09:32:51 AM
Palutena’s guide to the Belmonts

https://youtu.be/HCqs8aQSt1k
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 25, 2018, 09:48:25 AM
Have you guys heard the Awake/Awakening remix for Smash yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Ot4ibZKgw&index=3&t=0s&list=PLVr-lBy7DrOvExKHHJd98VQRwe-1ilRL3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Ot4ibZKgw&index=3&t=0s&list=PLVr-lBy7DrOvExKHHJd98VQRwe-1ilRL3)
I think I still like Jorge's more, but I'm ecstatic that this song made it in.  So underrated.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: X on November 25, 2018, 11:29:52 AM
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I think I still like Jorge's more, but I'm ecstatic that this song made it in.  So underrated.

I agree. The Smash version to seems to have some bits of the tune that don't quite jive well with the whole score. The little gaps and pauses in the song seem to distract from the whole composition. Not sure why they decided to do it that way. I'd prefer it if the song flows naturally and fully.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Kingshango on November 25, 2018, 01:37:27 PM
Lament of Innocence remix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU85WcOY2Mk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU85WcOY2Mk)

Aquarius remix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDAW6SnhQqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDAW6SnhQqI)

Cross Your Heart remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T51WLtSiSGU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T51WLtSiSGU)

Can Nintendo just buy the Castlevania series plz?
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Gaawa-chan on November 25, 2018, 07:28:03 PM
Dang, Leon's theme and Cross Your Heart got great remixes.

Can Nintendo just buy the Castlevania series plz?
If only.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on November 27, 2018, 04:58:39 AM
Going through the internal filenames of the music tracks, apparently the new remixes aren't all based on the respective track's original version. Cross Your Heart, for example, is based on the version from The Arcade, going by its "ac" prefix.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 01, 2018, 11:07:50 AM
Too bad those music links are down. Oh well, the game comes out next week.

Edit: I was able to listen to some. Some original arrangements I like more but some of the remix versions were great.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: VladCT on December 02, 2018, 06:51:44 PM
Tracking down the raw rips themselves isn't that hard, and all you need to play the files is foobar2000 with the latest version of the vgmstream plugin.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Mysterii on December 07, 2018, 01:40:38 PM
And the game is finally out!
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on December 08, 2018, 08:04:32 PM
Anyone play as the Belmonts yet? Their jump kinda sucks but they're fun.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Super Waffle on December 08, 2018, 11:37:15 PM
So I was playing the Adventure mode and I wound up fighting Princess Zelda, using the vaporized murdered soul of Charlotte Aulin as an assist weapon, with the desert music from PoR playing in the background, and the level had a castle built on a bridge in the sunset for a background.

I was confused. I'm not sure if that stage was meant to represent a Zelda castle or a Dracula castle.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: zangetsu468 on December 09, 2018, 03:03:41 AM
So I was playing the Adventure mode and I wound up fight Princess Zelda, using the vaporized murdered soul of Charlotte Aulin as an assist weapon, with the desert music from PoR playing in the background, and the level had a castle built on a bridge in the sunset for a background.

I was confused. I'm not sure if that stage was meant to represent a Zelda castle or a Dracula castle.

Put down the crack pipe and step away from the waffle iron
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: knightmere on December 09, 2018, 05:45:56 AM
I played through classic mode as Simon and each stage plays CV tunes culminating in a final battle against Dracula himself! The boss fight was basically pulled straight out of rondo of blood. Very awesome.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Chernabogue on December 09, 2018, 01:11:00 PM
The CV references throughout the game are awesome. They really show they care and love the series.

(SPOILERS but not really)

Later on in Adventure mode, there's a battle that "mirrors" CV3 with Sheik as Grant, Palutena as Sypha, Simon as Trevor, and the Alcuard assist trophy making an appearance.

Also interesting, the Dracula spirit evolves in Soma.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Darth Cariss on December 14, 2018, 08:53:31 AM
There's so many great details. I love the mist effect on Dracula's body when your attacks miss his head. Definitely adds more visual flair than your attacks simply doing nothing like in traditional CV games. Near the end of the fight I was saying aloud "Come on, be a phase 2" and there was, and I was delighted to see the ol' Rondo Dracula Transformation. The entire Castlevania stage in World of Light is pretty awesome, too.

I also really enjoy that when Simon gets knocked down he faceplants with his ass in the air, like his classic goofy death pose.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Super Waffle on December 14, 2018, 09:59:38 AM
So I was playing the Adventure mode and I wound up fighting Princess Zelda, using the vaporized murdered soul of Charlotte Aulin as an assist weapon, with the desert music from PoR playing in the background, and the level had a castle built on a bridge in the sunset for a background.

I was confused. I'm not sure if that stage was meant to represent a Zelda castle or a Dracula castle.

I still want to know whose castle that was.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on December 23, 2018, 05:45:56 PM
It's probably supposed to be mimicking the Portrait of Ruin box art.
You know... this one:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Portrait_of_Ruin.jpg)
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: spazzy_d on February 08, 2019, 11:14:27 AM
There's so many great details. I love the mist effect on Dracula's body when your attacks miss his head. Definitely adds more visual flair than your attacks simply doing nothing like in traditional CV games. Near the end of the fight I was saying aloud "Come on, be a phase 2" and there was, and I was delighted to see the ol' Rondo Dracula Transformation. The entire Castlevania stage in World of Light is pretty awesome, too.

I also really enjoy that when Simon gets knocked down he faceplants with his ass in the air, like his classic goofy death pose.

I haven't seen this faceplant animation. How does it trigger?

Also, has someone IDed all of the alt color costume references? I feel like there's more there then people are picking up on.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on February 18, 2019, 04:18:01 PM
For Simon, it appears to be this, at least to me:
-Choice 1 - Castlevania box art
-Choice 2 - Red - Simon's Quest
-Choice 3 - Yellow & Black - Christopher Belmont
-Choice 4 - Red & Black - Castlevania Chronicles Simon
-Choice 5 - Blue - Super Castlevania IV Japanese Box Art
-Choice 6 - Purple (with gray hair) - Vampire Killer Sprite colors (this one is kinda reaching)
-Choice 7 - Orange with Red Hair - ????
-Choice 8 - Dark purple (dark brown hair) - ????

As for Richter:
-Choice 1 - Classic Blue - Rondo of Blood
-Choice 2 - Red - Unused "Red" Richter (Castlevania - The Bloodletting)
-Choice 3 - Purple - ????
-Choice 4 - Green - Poisoned Sprite for Richter (Rondo of Blood)
-Choice 5 - Yellow/Brown, Red Bandanna - Julius Belmont (Sorrow series)
-Choice 6 - Blue with Gray lining - Symphony of the Night
-Choice 7 - Gray - "Slowed Down"/"Petrified" Richter (Rondo of Blood and DraculaXX)
-Choice 8 - White/Red - Leon Belmont (Lament of Innocence).


Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 18, 2019, 06:33:41 PM
For Simon, it appears to be this, at least to me:
-Choice 1 - Castlevania box art
-Choice 2 - Red - Simon's Quest
-Choice 3 - Yellow & Black - Christopher Belmont
-Choice 4 - Red & Black - Castlevania Chronicles Simon
-Choice 5 - Blue - Super Castlevania IV Japanese Box Art
-Choice 6 - Purple (with gray hair) - Vampire Killer Sprite colors (this one is kinda reaching)
-Choice 7 - Orange with Red Hair - ????
-Choice 8 - Dark purple (dark brown hair) - ????

As for Richter:
-Choice 1 - Classic Blue - Rondo of Blood
-Choice 2 - Red - Unused "Red" Richter (Castlevania - The Bloodletting)
-Choice 3 - Purple - ????
-Choice 4 - Green - Poisoned Sprite for Richter (Rondo of Blood)
-Choice 5 - Yellow/Brown, Red Bandanna - Julius Belmont (Sorrow series)
-Choice 6 - Blue with Gray lining - Symphony of the Night
-Choice 7 - Gray - "Slowed Down"/"Petrified" Richter (Rondo of Blood and DraculaXX)
-Choice 8 - White/Red - Leon Belmont (Lament of Innocence).

Good guesses, but according to materials I have seen, it's

Simon
Brown: Based on Simon's appearance in the Original Mode of Castlevania Chronicles, with some elements taken from his appearance in Super Castlevania IV.
Red: Resembles his appearance in Castlevania II: Simon's Quest.
Yellow: Resembles his appearance on the Western boxart for Super Castlevania IV (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/CVPics4/cv4-box.jpg). It also resembles Fake Trevor in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
Black: Resembles his appearance in the Arrange Mode of Castlevania Chronicles (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/9/90/Kojima_concept_simon.png/revision/latest?cb=20170616002157) and his in-game appearance in Vampire Killer (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/CVPics3/simon-vkill.gif).
Blue: Resembles his appearance on the Japanese boxart for Super Castlevania IV (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/Manuals/jbox-cv4a.jpg).
Purple: Resembles Cornell from Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/9/92/CastlevaniaCornell.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/328?cb=20060512221140). (Cornell, of all people. Talk about reaching.
Orange: Resembles his in-game sprite in Castlevania (1986) (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/CVPics/CHSimon.gif).
Indigo: Unknown

Richter
Default: Based on his appearance in Rondo of Blood and Castlevania: Dracula X.
Red: Resembles Christopher Belmont (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/Images/Screens/castlevania_rebirth_03.jpg) as he appears in Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth.
Purple: Resembles the Dark Priest Shaft (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/b/b1/Shaft.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170722230810) as he appears in-game in both Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night.
Green: Resembles the "Curse" status-effect (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv5/manual/DraculaXX_26-27.jpg) from Castlevania: Rondo of Blood and Castlevania: Dracula X.
Yellow: Resembles artwork for Johnny Morris (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/e/e6/John_Morris.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/267?cb=20130502125343) for Castlevania: Bloodlines.
Deep Blue: Resembles his design (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/e/e7/Richter_Belmont-2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/360?cb=20080227200610) in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
Black: Resembles the end credits graphics (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/2/25/SNES-DraculaX-Ending10.png/revision/latest?cb=20140710021514) of Castlevania: Dracula X, which were displayed in a monochromatic palette. (Again, WHAT THE EVER LOVING HELL IS WRONG WITH MARIA IN THAT FRAME?!)
White: Resembles Leon Belmont (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/5/50/LeonB.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/360?cb=20080227212602) from Castlevania: Lament of Innocence.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: mgfcortez on February 19, 2019, 12:11:01 AM
I got a Switch and this game just to play as a Belmont, only wish they had made Alucard playable would had been so cool.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: X on February 19, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
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(Again, WHAT THE EVER LOVING HELL IS WRONG WITH MARIA IN THAT FRAME?!)

lol. It's the art-style. Though the instruction booklet and box art used the anime style from Rondo but the in-game art is different (not counting sprites).
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on February 19, 2019, 05:47:49 PM
Looks like I wasn't too far off hehehe.
Totally forgot about Christopher CVAR.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: theplottwist on February 20, 2019, 01:38:04 AM
For Simon, it appears to be this, at least to me:
-Choice 8 - Dark purple (dark brown hair) - ????

Indigo: Unknown

8th choice = Doppelganger. Not that one, this one (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xyhh3FqAlbs/maxresdefault.jpg).

Could be reaching, but I believe they're pulling a visual pun. This color scheme is used by Simon during the Trevor Spirit battle in WoL when they could just have gone for the yellow palette (like they reused the Simon's Quest palette for Gabriel). Thing is, in the game's logic this is "evil Trevor", it's Simon posing as Trevor, as if he were a "copy"... A doppelganger. If you watch the battle you'll notice that the enemy fighters have a purplish glow to them, too. Alucard is excluded as he himself is a completely different kind of entity (an Assist Trophy) and not a "real" fighter that must be defeated to win the battle.


As for Richter:
-Choice 2 - Red - Unused "Red" Richter (Castlevania - The Bloodletting)
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Richter
Red: Resembles Christopher Belmont (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/Images/Screens/castlevania_rebirth_03.jpg) as he appears in Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth.

Richter:
2nd choice = Juste Belmont. The palette scheme is indeed similar to Christopher (AND that Rival sprite), but the fact Richter uses it embodying Juste during a WoL Spirit battle tells me it wasn't Christopher they had in mind (besides, Juste receives far more recognition overall than Christopher does).
4th choice = Adult Maria.
7th choice = Alucard.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: GuyStarwind on February 27, 2019, 09:25:00 PM
Not sure if mentioned, but when they introduce Simon in the trailer they do it in a similar fashion to Richter in the Rondo of Blood opening video.
Title: Re: The Belmonts are coming to Smash Bros!
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 17, 2019, 06:56:16 AM
looks like there’s a special Castlevania event that’s about to start

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/04/super_smash_bros_ultimate_celebrates_all_things_castlevania_this_weekend (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/04/super_smash_bros_ultimate_celebrates_all_things_castlevania_this_weekend)