Topic: Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate 3DS (Discussion Thread)

[Reinhart77]

Ok, got another Alucard theory.  I'll put it in spoilers just because it seems Alucard's origin is meant to be a mystery at this point.

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I'm gonna guess that Alucard is Trevor's twin brother.

That would solve the problem how Gabriel didn't know about Trevor.  He would only have to be away on a mission long enough to be absent at the time of the birth, rather than the whole pregnancy.  And it's also cliche enough to be part of the story.

I'm imagining Gabriel knew about the one son, but didn't know about the other one.  The order takes one of the twins and leave the other with Marie.  Gabriel kills Marie, perhaps also attempts to kill Adrian, but is thwarted.  Gabriel doesn't remember any of this after the mask is removed, and perhaps leaves Adrian in the Brotherhood's care as he goes on his quest in LoS1.  Then after he defeats the Forgotten One, he returns to get his son back.  Perhaps the Brotherhood try to stop him, so that's why he had to declare war on them.  He gets Adrian back and raises him as "Dracula's Son".  Who knows if he's a vampire/dhampir at this point. 

Trevor enters the castle.  Perhaps he is confronted by Adrian, who defends his father.  Perhaps he even kills Trevor and/or is killed himself (and then comes back).  Then he finds out the truth that Trevor was his brother and feels remorse and changes his name to Alucard.  When he says "fate has given me another chance", perhaps he means that he has another chance to choose another decision and go against his father instead of with him. 

Anyways, plenty of holes with that theory too, but it could be along the right track.

[Sindra]

And Castlevania doesn't need to be sprite based to be a Castlevania game.   

True, but when the majority of your classic, most beloved of the Castlevanias are sprite-based, not to mention the majority of them (Currently only 6 Castlevanias are in 3D, and one is 2.5D. The rest of the 20ish games are all sprite-based 2D), then you have to understand that alot of the fanbase is going to lean towards what we know has worked well in the past when it comes to good Castlevania games.

Keep in mind, both of the 64 games were not really too well received overall, and Lament & Curse were given high expectations that just didn't measure up. (not bagging on those games, just stating observations from my 10 years in the community) Now you have Lords of Shadow that has pretty much divided the fanbase more-so than it already was.

You cannot fault those of us who prefer the 2D sprite-based Castlevanias and want them to return in some capacity in new games, because those games were what built this fanbase to what it's been for the first decade of the franchise.

[Maedhros]

Ok, got another Alucard theory.  I'll put it in spoilers just because it seems Alucard's origin is meant to be a mystery at this point.

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I'm gonna guess that Alucard is Trevor's twin brother.

That would solve the problem how Gabriel didn't know about Trevor.  He would only have to be away on a mission long enough to be absent at the time of the birth, rather than the whole pregnancy.  And it's also cliche enough to be part of the story.

I'm imagining Gabriel knew about the one son, but didn't know about the other one.  The order takes one of the twins and leave the other with Marie.  Gabriel kills Marie, perhaps also attempts to kill Adrian, but is thwarted.  Gabriel doesn't remember any of this after the mask is removed, and perhaps leaves Adrian in the Brotherhood's care as he goes on his quest in LoS1.  Then after he defeats the Forgotten One, he returns to get his son back.  Perhaps the Brotherhood try to stop him, so that's why he had to declare war on them.  He gets Adrian back and raises him as "Dracula's Son".  Who knows if he's a vampire/dhampir at this point. 

Trevor enters the castle.  Perhaps he is confronted by Adrian, who defends his father.  Perhaps he even kills Trevor and/or is killed himself (and then comes back).  Then he finds out the truth that Trevor was his brother and feels remorse and changes his name to Alucard.  When he says "fate has given me another chance", perhaps he means that he has another chance to choose another decision and go against his father instead of with him. 

Anyways, plenty of holes with that theory too, but it could be along the right track.

Why spoiler a theory? I mean, there's now way to know if this will even be on the game at all.

[Belmontoya]

[Maedhros]

The bottom line is this. Castlevania is whatever Konami decides it to be, and they have left that in the hands of Mercury Steam now.

LOS copies God of War no more or less than Symphony of the Night copied super Metriod.

I remember playing SOTN for the first time and laughing at how big of a Metriod rip off Castlevania had become.

So anyone who tries to make this weak God of War rip off accusation had best not be a SOTN fan, lest they come off as a complete hypocrites.

Being a GoW rip off is not what makes a game good or bad, like I've said multiple times here. Just like having copied Metroid style of explorations ins't what makes SOTN good or bad.

[Reinhart77]

Why spoiler a theory? I mean, there's now way to know if this will even be on the game at all.

Just in case someone didn't want to have the idea in their head when playing the game.  Don't know if it is needed, I'm just siding on the side of caution.  Some people might want to be completely surprised at Alucard's origin when playing the game, rather than already have every conceivable possibility already taken into consideration.

[Akuma]

Eh I just get mad when people write something off as crap just because it isn't what they wanted.  Or isn't perfection.  That's all.

Other forums I'm on act like it must be this way and that way and all that crap.

[Maedhros]

Eh I just get mad when people write something off as crap just because it isn't what they wanted.  Or isn't perfection.  That's all.

Other forums I'm on act like it must be this way and that way and all that crap.

Reboots are always like that. Changes brings not only good things, but bad things too. Not everyone have open mind when it comes to their favourite games.

Reboots can go two ways: The changes are made and people are surprised/like them, or they finds that it doesn't fits the franchise. And considering this is a forum, you'll see oppinion from the two ends.

[Charlotte-nyo:3]

So anyone who tries to make this weak God of War rip off accusation had best not be a SOTN fan, lest they come off as a complete hypocrites.

Unless of course they like Metroid and hate God of War. Then calling SotN a Metroid ripoff is a compliment but calling LoS a GoW ripoff is still an insult.

[crisis]

There are other CV forums? LoL, why even bother with those.


dungeon4life

[GuyStarwind]

I use other forums from time to time. However, this one is the most active.

[Maedhros]

There are forums not dedicated to Castlevania that, when a new one is about to be released, start discussing about the series.

[Munchy]

Game looks cool so far. As much as I've complained about QTEs they aren't really a deal breaker for me. My main concerns thus far are:

1. Why are on screen sentences still telling me that I need to come back all the time? Hopefully these are a one time tutorial thing, but I'd like for the game to have more visual cues on what to do to stuff rather than hitting me over the head with it. I know R grabs dammit, I don't have Alzheimer's! (At the very least, they should let us turn these off.)
2. As this is a little more exploration focused, I hope falling from heights doesn't cause you to have to redo the jump over and over like in LoS. Just do fall damage if you must, or add spikes or something. (Actually I can see fall damage making platforming pretty tense.)
3. Hope framerate and performance don't chug too much.
4. Also hope enemies have more to them than swipe, unblockable swipe, and shockwave. Expanding on that, I hope Titans do more than projectile, jiggle, and scratch an itch.
5. Though I'm excited about multiple characters, having three Belmonts seems a little redundant, and I hope one part doesn't overshadow or gimp another, like in Devil May Cry 4.

Looks damn cool though.

[Akuma]

Well it is a demo.  Even so, it will probably tell you only once.  Which is all you would need.  There is a couple months until actual release so I'm sure balancing and stuff be done inbetween now and final release.

[knightmere]

1. Why are on screen sentences still telling me that I need to come back all the time? Hopefully these are a one time tutorial thing, but I'd like for the game to have more visual cues on what to do to stuff rather than hitting me over the head with it. I know R grabs dammit, I don't have Alzheimer's! (At the very least, they should let us turn these off.)
2. As this is a little more exploration focused, I hope falling from heights doesn't cause you to have to redo the jump over and over like in LoS. Just do fall damage if you must, or add spikes or something. (Actually I can see fall damage making platforming pretty tense.)
3. Hope framerate and performance don't chug too much.
4. Also hope enemies have more to them than swipe, unblockable swipe, and shockwave. Expanding on that, I hope Titans do more than projectile, jiggle, and scratch an itch.
5. Though I'm excited about multiple characters, having three Belmonts seems a little redundant, and I hope one part doesn't overshadow or gimp another, like in Devil May Cry 4.

Looks damn cool though.

I really hate how games these days hold your hand so much even when you don't want them to.  It really takes away from the game IMO when you never have to think about what to do and just wait for the game to say; GO HERE! PUSH THIS BUTTON!  It becomes rather mindless and takes away from the immersion.