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Title: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Highwind Dragoon on March 01, 2014, 07:13:06 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722)

Could this be the beginning of WWIII?
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Mooning Freddy on March 01, 2014, 07:48:32 AM
Don't exaggerate. However, this is a very bad sign. If Putin indeed brings forces into Crimea, this a clear breach of Ukraine's sovereignty and a rude violation of the non-intervention principle. I did not think even Putin could be that assertive.
Appreciating the situation, you need to understand Crimea was, historically, a part of Russia for many centuries before the USSR broke down and the peninsula became a part of modern Ukraine. Most of its inhabitants see themselves as Russians, and Russia sees Crimea as an unjustly-taken piece of its land.

Is this going to lead to a war? Doubt it. The Ukrainians can't fight Russia. The West would be mad as hell and threaten sanctions, obviously, but would take no action. Ukraine, however, seems to be in deep shit. The nationalists would not forgive such a breach of sovereignty.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: X on March 01, 2014, 10:13:29 AM
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Could this be the beginning of WWIII?

No, no. It's the third of three antichrists that brings about the third world war and he has yet to make himself known. What we see right know is Putin being a dick. He's very much a self-obsorbed monomaniac as the olympics has proven. You wanna talk about who brings about WWIII? Then you need to look towards Arabia. Here is one of Nostradamus' quatrains that first mentions him;

Out of the country of Arabia will be born a strong child of Mohammad. He will Enter Europe wearing a blue turban. He will be the terror of mankind.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Morning star on March 01, 2014, 11:14:27 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722)

Could this be the beginning of WWIII?

It all depends on how far the United States and the EU want to push things. The Russians will defend and maybe even annex the Crimea if that's what needs to be done. They are still considered Russians. If the US/EU/NWO push back is too strong.. It could result in war. However, the United States should be aware that the fall of the Soviet Union was real only from an economic standpoint, from an ideological point of view, it may as well have never happened.

The Russian federation is strong like ox, lol. All of their military spending is done off of their official budget in that country. Nobody knows what special weapons they have developed or how much money they have spent. But they have mentioned more than a few times, that "they can match the United States" and stand ready for another total war.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Mooning Freddy on March 01, 2014, 12:09:05 PM
The Russian federation is strong like ox, lol. All of their military spending is done off of their official budget in that country. Nobody knows what special weapons they have developed or how much money they have spent. But they have mentioned more than a few times, that "they can match the United States" and stand readhy for another total war.

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Seriously though, have you ever heard stories about the contemporary Russian army? That's no Soviet Union power for you. Oh, they're strong. Have no doubt about it. But the Russians are like 13-year-old bully who could only pick on 7 year olds, i.e., the post-soviet states who hardly can keep a standard army at all.
The Russian army today is composed of good-for-nothing hooligans who couldn't get into a college, so they spend most of their time drinking and beating up younger soldiers. They probably have some new technologies in the army, but I doubt they could be nearly as specialized or advanced as the American ones. They haven't taken part in any serious conflicts since the 80's, obviously not counting Chechnya or Georgia. The army is also consumed by corruption, like the rest of Russian society.  Oh, and don't get me started about Russian society. Most of the educated young people are so sick of Putin's bullshit that they're more likely to start a revolution than join a pointless war. 

Take all of that, unless you want to believe uber-patriotic government-clowns like Zhirinovsky.

Russian Ultra-Nationalist Zhirinovsky's Anti-US 2002 Rant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfLOwmSD88#)
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Morning star on March 01, 2014, 02:34:47 PM

Seriously though, have you ever heard stories about the contemporary Russian army? That's no Soviet Union power for you. Oh, they're strong. Have no doubt about it. But the Russians are like 13-year-old bully who could only pick on 7 year olds, i.e., the post-soviet states who hardly can keep a standard army at all.

Yes, i have heard and seen most of the media coverage regarding the state of the Russian federation. I agree that they have human rights violations and a record for supporting an abusive police state. But the United States is quickly building there own reputation in that regard. And the second part of what i quoted from you sounds just like the United States to me. I.E, the United States in Iraq, Afghanistan, and every other country on the list (a list of many) where we have no business at all. We move in, occupy the country in question to help "spread Denocracy" and after that's done we now own your country. If you step out of line or change your mind we will set up an overthrow of your current government, and set up snap elections until we get our way again. This usually translates into raping your country of all resources and using the population as labor for forced in corporations. This results in very cheap wages and a cheap product that can be shipped back to the states. This is United States foreign policy.

The uprising in the Ukraine was bought and paid for by the CIA. They were trained in hand to hand and anti riot police tactics at a facility before they were sent in to protest/start a small war. Just like we did with the Taliban to fight against Russia in Afghanistan. We also paid for and trained al-Qaida.

Look it up. Agenda 21...False flag...Operation Gladio These are just a few quick places to start learning the truth. We are the thugs not Russia. The reason they have not been in any major conflicts is because they are not global police like the United States/United Nations/illuminati new world order. Not conspiracy theory anymore, it's reality. It's all documented and proven.

I guess we will see how strong and scared the USA is of Russia. They just sent a number of troops into the Crimea. Bet you any amount of money you will see sanctions, harsh words and nothing more.

EDIT

Just wanted to add this. The information generated for media coverage comes with a set of political controls. Most is produced by the Brookings institute and the Harvard-Kennedy center for public leadership. AKA.. Where you go to be educated. (brainwashed) How 'well you do', is what dictates your readiness to become part of the political system in the area stated previously. Most of the media sources are owned by the same group of major corporations or their affiliates.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Morning star on March 01, 2014, 04:36:49 PM
This just in.

The eastern half of the Ukraine supports Russia.

The rebel extremist government of Ukraine is calling for support from an international terrorist.

An official in the new government of Ukraine has threatened nuclear war against Russia if they respond to the requests for help by the entire eastern half of the country.

Need i say anything more?
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Rugal on March 02, 2014, 07:00:35 AM
Quick someone call Solid Snake.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: The Puritan on March 02, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quick someone call Solid Snake.

Or Leon Kennedy. Just throw in BOWs and you might get the plot to Resident Evil Damnation.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Gunlord on March 02, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
As much as we may reflexively want to condemn Russia, it's important to note that a lot of the Ukrainian nationalists are not our allies.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26398112 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26398112)

Look at the guy with a yellow Nazi armband patrolling the streets near the beginning. While not all of the nationalist Ukrainians, obviously, there's a very strong far-right/extremist presence among them we should be wary of before jumping too hard on Russia.

I do believe Russia's military invasion was just uncalled for, however. I'm all for self-determination, and if the Russians in the east part of Ukraine want to go back to their motherland, they should be allowed to do so. Just taking them away from Ukraine isn't the answer, though. Such a secession should be done through diplomacy and negotiation rather than force--for instance, maybe forgiving Ukraine's debts in return for Ukraine peacefully giving up the Crimea.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: beingthehero on March 02, 2014, 04:48:29 PM
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Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Morning star on March 02, 2014, 07:49:12 PM
Such a secession should be done through diplomacy and negotiation rather than force--for instance, maybe forgiving Ukraine's debts in return for Ukraine peacefully giving up the Crimea.

I think this would be an excellent option for the Ukraine. Even if they need to give up the entire eastern part of the country i would think that they should consider it a win. Especially after threatening that they can rebuild a nuclear arsenal within six months. After a comment like that, they will be lucky if the Russians don't say that they have no other option but to take the entire country, and overthrow the current regime.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on March 04, 2014, 08:30:59 AM
Is it bad that whenever I hear this talk about Crimea, all I hear in my head is this:
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance -- Crimea Attacks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofwT1xh25v8#)
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: X on March 04, 2014, 09:30:51 AM
LOL! They have their own theme song!
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Morning star on March 04, 2014, 11:24:54 AM
It's epic enough to need a soundtrack :D lol X2.

Also, the "call solid snake" thing was hilarious.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Gunlord on March 04, 2014, 02:14:29 PM
Yeah, I can't stop thinking of the Fire Emblem crimea too. :p
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: FireSeraphim on March 05, 2014, 02:01:24 AM
[insert mindless paranoid tea party fueled bullshit ramblings here]
@Morning Star: I am sick and tired of people like you, of your psychotic conspiracy theories and your malignant, hypocritical hatred of anything resembling a government working for the people and by the people. It's you assholes and your beloved "party of no" that has caused the US to be the shithole it is right now. I will not tolerate your psycho-paranoid bullshit anymore. I know for a fact the the real enemy to our freedom is not the government (especially since the government is a toolbox to be indirectly used by the people for their own betterment via the election of politicians who are entrusted with the responsibility of using the toolbox correctly, a toolbox that cannot feel any emotions and a toolbox that can be misused by malignant politicians who don't give a shit about the people who elected them.) The real enemy is YOU and your fuck-buddies in the Tea Party, The GOP and Wall Street. I am deeply surprised that a sensible moderator has not banned your paranoid ass yet.

@Everyone: I'm sorry but Morning Star's psychotic rambling really pissed me strait off. psychopaths and conspiracy theorists are a major pet peeve of mine and a sure fire way to make me mad.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Gunlord on March 05, 2014, 02:22:02 AM
Whoah now, friend. That's a little uncalled for. Disagree with Morning Star, sure, but I don't want to see harsh personal attacks like that again--I'll have to punish you if I do.

I don't agree with everything Morning Star said, but he hasn't gone into full tinfoil-hate conspiracy theory nonsense yet. He *did* raise some legitimate points, such as the extremism of some of the Ukrainian nationalists, as mentioned in the video (from a mainstream source) I posted. If he says something extreme or completely unfounded, then yes, I'll take action. Until then, though, please try to remain calm, however strong your personal feelings may be.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: X on March 05, 2014, 10:29:10 AM
@FireSeraphim: It definitely would have been better to PM the guy rather then paste that up-front for all to see. But morning Star isn't entirely incorrect. America is a mess considering that they have three levels of government. Three. Two of which aren't even necessary. And the third was established in secret without the other two even knowing about it. Not only that but the first two levels are not supposed to know it exists. What it boils down to is that the first level of government functions as it should but they no longer have control; the head was cut off the body so to speak. Even the President himself is nothing more then a figurehead to make the public think otherwise. The second level of government deals with more secret stuff such as coverups and feeding false info to the public. The third level of government are the ones who have total control. Some know the as 'BBB' or 'Black Budget Boy'. It has recently come to my attention that another of their names are 'Majestic'. Not only do they have a tight leash on America but also have global influence hence the New world order thing that they are desperately trying to push forward. It's not just conspiracy, it's happening. The signs are all around us. You just need to start looking. In your mind you might think everything's alright and that anyone who says stuff like this are the crazy ones. But that's all in your mind and has nothing to do with the rest of us. Seriously, don't condemn others as psychopaths just because it goes against your own personal beliefs. That's your ego talking and not the real you.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Morning star on March 06, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
@Morning Star: I am sick and tired of people like you, of your psychotic conspiracy theories and your malignant, hypocritical hatred of anything resembling a government working for the people and by the people. It's you assholes and your beloved "party of no" that has caused the US to be the shithole it is right now. I will not tolerate your psycho-paranoid bullshit anymore. I know for a fact the the real enemy to our freedom is not the government (especially since the government is a toolbox to be indirectly used by the people for their own betterment via the election of politicians who are entrusted with the responsibility of using the toolbox correctly, a toolbox that cannot feel any emotions and a toolbox that can be misused by malignant politicians who don't give a shit about the people who elected them.) The real enemy is YOU and your fuck-buddies in the Tea Party, The GOP and Wall Street. I am deeply surprised that a sensible moderator has not banned your paranoid ass yet.

@Everyone: I'm sorry but Morning Star's psychotic rambling really pissed me strait off. psychopaths and conspiracy theorists are a major pet peeve of mine and a sure fire way to make me mad.

 It always makes me sad to see people that think they can read a post or two and know who it is they are speaking with. I never said anything that should lead a person to believe that i support the tea party or that i am a republican. I am not the enemy of anybody but the illuminati. And if knowing that the illuminati and the new world order are real puts me in a tin foil hat, i will wear it with pride my friend. It's better to be alone than ignorant about the truth.

As far as the attack against me. You know, the one that was was far from called for.. Water under the bridge ;) Just please understand that everything is not black and white. You are not forced to be democrat or republican. Thinking inside of this box will lead you to many false assumptions about many different things. Remember the first three letters in assumption spell ASS. That's what most of the assumptions that i ever made ended up making me look like.
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Gunlord on March 06, 2014, 04:59:23 PM
I think it's good you're willing to be fair to both Democrats and Republicans. That said, you might want to ease up on the Illuminati thing...^^;;;
Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Morning star on March 06, 2014, 08:26:58 PM
I think it's good you're willing to be fair to both Democrats and Republicans. That said, you might want to ease up on the Illuminati thing...^^;;;

I just didn't want to get into how it's all political theatre to make people think they still have a choice in what's going on, lol. He clearly had no idea what i am talking about, so it's a lost fight before it ever starts. The truth is, i really don't like either party, but especially not the republicans ;)

As far as the illuminati thing.. Consider it done. Somehow it's still a controversial issue (not sure how at this point..), but still something that's being disputed. In the best interest of keeping the peace in this forum and not forcing you guys to issue warnings i will drop this topic and not bring it up again.

Title: Re: Ukraine crisis: 'Russians' occupy Crimea airports
Post by: Mooning Freddy on March 21, 2014, 11:15:43 AM
I'm just gonna put this here.  ;D

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(Can't you ever have even one serious political discussion without mentioning Illuminati or a New World order?)  :P