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Title: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Little Mac on October 04, 2012, 03:02:03 PM
I personally can't decide between the original Lugosi version or the 1992 Gothic steroid version with Gary Oldman. Both have their own unique atmosphere. I think if I was to recommend one out of the two to somebody it would would have to be the 1992 version.

EDIT: I just searched and found there was already a topic similar to this, so for this I apologize. It's strange, I searched before I made this topic and I didn't notice anything. I search again after, because it sounds too strange to be true, and there it is! One of the first results. My first post on the site, and boy do I feel stupid. :P Sorry, guys.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: X on October 04, 2012, 04:57:59 PM
Welcome Little Mac to the Dungeon. And try not to let little things like this get to you. We all make mistakes. It was unintentional so no worries.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 04, 2012, 05:22:19 PM
Yeah no worries. Most people are only annoyed with that kinda stuff when it's a very common topic.
As for my favorite Dracula movie well that's really tough, there are so many great ones. Nosferatu is one
Nosferatu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oohUl8WYOZA#)
Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein is another. The Coppola version is alright but Keanu Reeves and Winona Ryder's sub-par performances (and Oldman's ridiculous wig) bring it down somewhat, I enjoy Mel Brook's spoof Dracula Dead and Loving It just as much or more. One of the great things about Dracula is there's a version for practically any mood.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Beaumont_Belmont on October 04, 2012, 05:53:00 PM
I'm between the Lugosi version and Horror of Dracula. I love Lugosi's genuine old-world charm, but I like the overwhelming menace that Lee possesses. Those red contacts are freaky.

I enjoy the Coppola movie, but mostly in an MST3K way. I really don't see why other people love it unironically- I'm unable to take a movie seriously when Dracula appears to be Dale Earndhardt cosplaying as a pimp and the tacked on love story both slows the movie to a crawl and is absolute nonsense. On the other hand, it did give us what is perhaps Cary Elwes greatest scene in cinema.

Cary Elwes "What in God's name is going on up here?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0YotQEjzOU#)
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 05, 2012, 06:50:58 AM
I'm between the Lugosi version and Horror of Dracula. I love Lugosi's genuine old-world charm, but I like the overwhelming menace that Lee possesses. Those red contacts are freaky.

I enjoy the Coppola movie, but mostly in an MST3K way. I really don't see why other people love it unironically- I'm unable to take a movie seriously when Dracula appears to be Dale Earndhardt cosplaying as a pimp and the tacked on love story both slows the movie to a crawl and is absolute nonsense. On the other hand, it did give us what is perhaps Cary Elwes greatest scene in cinema.

Cary Elwes "What in God's name is going on up here?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0YotQEjzOU#)

Don't forget how Anthony Hopkins chews away at every scene like it owes him money, one of the more redeming qualities of the film.
I also dislike how forced the romance in Coppola's Dracula is. Especially considering the character is essentially a rapist and our tragic "hero" is shown to laugh about feeding a baby to his brides. Unless he's changed his name to Soma, Dracula as a sympathetic hero just doesn't work imo. Which is why I like that Kouta Hirano skipped trying to make him sympathetic.
Horror of Dracula and Lugosi version are both good but very slowly paced. I think most modern audiences would find the 1931 Dracula boring. I saw it in a theater once during a sort of mini Halloween film festival and heard a child complain to their parents "You said it would be scary!"
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: TheCruelAngel on October 05, 2012, 08:20:25 AM
I'm personally a huge fan of Coppola's Dracula (92 film) and find it to be one of my favorite renditions of the count (especially since it follows the plot of the book better and keeps our beloved Morris in there!). I think the set and costume designs are also amazing, and while some of the performances are a little lacking; Oldman, Hopkins, Elwes, Waits and Campbell did amazing work and more than made up for some of the other actors.  ;)

While not actually a Dracula movie (though we know it is), Nosferatu is ama~zing and is probably one of my favorite vampire movies period. While the original was already linked, I'd like to point out an interesting remix using gothic industrial music instead of the traditional soundtrack. Very unique, and I quite like it.

Gothic Industrial Nosferatu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luQP1W_5UNs#)

ALSO, if you're a fan of Nosferatu I recommend the amazing movie, Shadow of a Vampire. It's like a "what if" behind the scenes of the making of Nosferatu if the count were an actual vampire. A really fun film with great performances around, and a great date flick. ;D (First date I took with my wife was to watch this movie, boo yeah!)
Shadow of the Vampire (2000) - Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAn5uLNMmjk#ws)
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 05, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
I haven't seen a great deal of Dracula films, but I love Nosferatu (the original and Herzog's remake—the latter has such an amazingly creepy vibe) and Coppola's probably the most, and I dig the first Lugosi and Lee flicks. Oh, does Blacula count? That one's fun.

I can get behind Shadow of the Vampire. Really interesting movie. The only thing that bothers me each time I see it are Dafoe's buck teeth. :B Max Schreck's Count Orlok had sharp buck teeth, not beaver teeth. It kinda bothers me.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Mooning Freddy on October 05, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
How about Dead and Loving it? Great movie. There's also Dance of the Vampires / The fearless vampire killers (1967) which is not based on the novel but a great film nevertheless.

THE FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q-sukI-ZpU#)

Also, Alucard is that you?  ;D

Dance of the vampires (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=you86-CKNtI#)
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 05, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
Well, The Fearless Vampire Killers isn't a Dracula movie, but it is baaaaaaaadaaaaaaaasssss. Perfect mixture of quirky comedy and drama.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Beaumont_Belmont on October 05, 2012, 05:28:55 PM
I love both versions of Nosferatu, but I think Herzog's is utterly fantastic. Few movies nail grim atmosphere so well. Somehow it feels the most "real" of all Dracula films, possibly due to the authentic European locations that show genuine Gothic decay and not artificial soundstages.

Also, there's The Monster Squad. Not terribly serious, but ever since I rented it as a kid I've been in love with the movie. 40's style monster mash plotline mixed with 80's effects. Duncan Regehr plays Dracula as a totally evil bastard, which is how I prefer Dracula. Tom Noonan is pretty great as the Frankenstein monster, too.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 05, 2012, 06:31:32 PM
Someday I'll have to watch the German and English language versions of Nosferatu the Vampyre to see if I prefer one over the other. Interesting that dialog scenes would be filmed in both languages by the same actors.

Seen 'em both, just haven't done a comparison.

But yeah, there's a scene showing a bat flying at twilight in slow-motion with a really haunting synth score accompanying... It disturbs me.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Little Mac on October 05, 2012, 06:52:07 PM
Wow. Not to be dramatic but I really appreciate it that nobody flipped over this. I've seen many gaming forums before where when somebody will make a mistake everyone seems to flip on them. I've been to many where people get banned or warned for things as silly as double-posting. It's so nice to find a game forum where people aren't prudes about such things! I really appreciate it.

CruelAngel: I have seen Shadow of a Vampire! I totally love that movie, I'm glad somebody else here knows about it. That's a good date movie, too.

Also, the entire Hammer series are great on any slow night, I find. And the Nosferatu remakes (German and English) are fantastic.

I found an interesting video review which tackles the 1931 vs Coppola remake debate and very articulates why I think most people who like the Coppola remake actually do (it is not because we take the dramatics of the film seriously). For anyone with the time:

http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/dracula-1992-review-4353373 (http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/dracula-1992-review-4353373)

And again, thanks for not flipping out on me.  :-X
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2012, 08:16:12 PM
I also dislike how forced the romance in Coppola's Dracula is. Especially considering the character is essentially a rapist and our tragic "hero" is shown to laugh about feeding a baby to his brides. Unless he's changed his name to Soma, Dracula as a sympathetic hero just doesn't work imo. Which is why I like that Kouta Hirano skipped trying to make him sympathetic.
Horror of Dracula and Lugosi version are both good but very slowly paced.

Yeah it's like the very moment he goes from Gary Oldman to Gary Youngman (lol) the character does a COMPLETE 360, and becomes this dramatic and romantic figure, who even seems to show remorse while feeding Mina Harker his blood.

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I think most modern audiences would find the 1931 Dracula boring. I saw it in a theater once during a sort of mini Halloween film festival and heard a child complain to their parents "You said it would be scary!"
Man yeah, that is real sad. people have no taste nowadays. Old horror movies were not exploitation slashers, or thrillers, they were just well, "scary stories" or rather, "monster stories". They were rarely ever actually scary. And when they were, they were scary because of suspense and atmosphere.

anyone watch Woman in Black? Sort of like that, although ill admit it relied on jump scares, which weren't really used back then.

Also, the Jesus Franco one with lee, which was faithful to the book to a point, but felt like they blew their budget on lee's count and the gothic castle setting, while everything else looked VERY 60's. or rather, 60's pretending to be Victorian. And the ending felt ridiculously rushed. I was left with some serious blueballs with that movie. I was getting ready for the epic chase to transylfania and all that, and in a few minutes, it's all over. They kill the count in his coffin without a fight.
My favorite Dracula movie?

I know, I'll pick an obscure one-

Malice Mizer's all silent Dracula Movie, Bara no Konrei ~Mayonaka ni Kawashita Yakusoku~

MALICE MIZER Bara No Konrei Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3rYiIaNIDI#)

okay maybe not my favorite, but it was pretty memorable, if only for the music and atmosphere. (I mean, the whole thing is practically an extended PV for their Bara no Seido album...)

And I'd say Yu-Ki played a pretty good Count Dracula. Or as the movie calls him, "Earl of Dracula".
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: TheCruelAngel on October 05, 2012, 09:44:35 PM
CruelAngel: I have seen Shadow of a Vampire! I totally love that movie, I'm glad somebody else here knows about it. That's a good date movie, too.

I found an interesting video review which tackles the 1931 vs Coppola remake debate and very articulates why I think most people who like the Coppola remake actually do (it is not because we take the dramatics of the film seriously). For anyone with the time:

http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/dracula-1992-review-4353373 (http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/dracula-1992-review-4353373)

Glad to see another fan of Shadow of a Vampire! Great movie, definitely wasn't what I was expecting when I saw it in theaters (didn't watch trailers back then, lol early 00's internet).

Also thank you for the link to the discussion with the 31/92 comparison. I thought it was well articulated as well, and brought up interesting points. While I agree Keanu isn't the best actor, I think his expressions are spot on as well as his body language.

Yeah it's like the very moment he goes from Gary Oldman to Gary Youngman (lol) the character does a COMPLETE 360, and becomes this dramatic and romantic figure, who even seems to show remorse while feeding Mina Harker his blood.

Now this can be explained in several different methods (if we care to discuss it). First and foremost Dracula loves Mina. Well, not really Mina but Elisabeta, the love he lost in the beginning of the film and denounced God over her loss, etc. To Dracula, Mina is his victory, and to have her love him as he loves her will show that all the evil he has succumbed to will of been worth it. The denouncement of his faith, sacrificial babies, roofies in champaign, ALL of it will have been for a purpose if he can have his Elisabeta back.

That's why Dracula tries to become romantically involved with her, awaken the old soul locked inside and be complete again. That is why he is remorseful when Mina asks to be like him, because he knows he's a sick and evil monster. He knows all of what he has done to get to this point, and doesn't want Mina to suffer the same fate. He sees her as innocent and doesn't want her to know what he has done to survive by having her commit the same sins.

It's hypocritical, sure, but humans aren't particularly perfect by nature. I don't expect Dracula to be either, he's a monster who's selfish desires drive him and has driven him for all of this time.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Lugosi Dracula immensely. Lugosi's old world charm is haunting and definitely sets up all the tropes for Dracula we live by today. And I also understand people's preference for it, since it is markedly different from Coppola's interpretation. Call me a sucker or what have you, but I just love the depth of Oldman's performance and portrayal of our beloved count.

Also f*ck yeah, Malice Mizer!
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 05, 2012, 10:05:10 PM
Yeah it's like the very moment he goes from Gary Oldman to Gary Youngman (lol) the character does a COMPLETE 360, and becomes this dramatic and romantic figure, who even seems to show remorse while feeding Mina Harker his blood.

Lol yeah. Where the whole forced Dracula-is-the-victim thing fails most in that movie though. At least for me, is the "Who are the real monsters here?!?!" moment at the very end. When Hopkins says they've all "Become God's madmen". Let's see who's the real monster, the thing that's been killing the weak and innocent to sustain it's own life for 100s of years or the guys who stopped it. Hmm, that is a tough one.
I do like the Coppala movie in a lot of ways, especially the art direction (aside from Dracula's initial appearance) but the Dracula-as-romantic-figure/victim is a little grating for a film that purports to be "Bram Stoker's".

This topic has reminded me that I haven't seen any new Hellsing Ultimate OVAs in a long time because they stopped releasing them in English when Geneon went under. Such a shame, well I can keep hoping they'll bring it back and finish it with the original voice cast one of these days. If not, well we've still got the manga. Which is better anyway.
|HD| Hellsing Ultimate trailer ova Long version Broken English (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OExfVRVrY4o#ws)
For anyone who might not have seen it Hellsing is a great series by an avid otaku and pervert* not necessarily in that order. The only way I know to describe it is as one of the glorious crowning achievements of the sleazy exploitation genre. Think the X-Files meets all out war. Dracula, enslaved by the Helsing family under the codename Alucard, battling with Nazis and the Catholic Church all with ridiculously over the top violence. Dracula being usually portrayed as the lesser of the evils. He's not a good guy, he's just a badass. Sonny Chiba style.


*A brief chapter on Dracula's origin is named "Castlevania", and his in-magazine author's commentary on the final installments apparently just talked about how much he wanted to bang some woman in soap commercials, and Sarah Palin.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Beaumont_Belmont on October 05, 2012, 10:13:05 PM

Now this can be explained in several different methods (if we care to discuss it). First and foremost Dracula loves Mina. Well, not really Mina but Elisabeta, the love he lost in the beginning of the film and denounced God over her loss, etc. To Dracula, Mina is his victory, and to have her love him as he loves her will show that all the evil he has succumbed to will of been worth it. The denouncement of his faith, sacrificial babies, roofies in champaign, ALL of it will have been for a purpose if he can have his Elisabeta back.


Just wanted to note he was dissolving sugar cubes in absinthe, not roofies in champagn-ya.

Also, just due to his look in the film, I had trouble taking Gary Oldman's performance seriously. First there was the ridiculous red getup with the rats-ass wig and the kabuki makeup. I find through most of the movie his high forehead and scrawny mustache are really distracting. I don't mind the idea of Dracula with a mustache, but I feel it should be a bushy one like the one we see in the famous image of Vlad the Impaler. Oldman looks like he should be driving in the Daytona 500 or playing bass for Kansas. Or...designing Anachronox. Seriously, does no one else think of (the great) Tom Hall when they see Oldman in Dracula?

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grospixels.com%2Fsite%2Fimages%2Fanachronox%2Ftomhall-overgame-02.jpg&hash=b7f19a18b142ee75299ad9103f31339e)
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Inccubus on October 05, 2012, 11:08:27 PM
Ah, Hellsing. <3 it! Never saw past the very first anime. Kinda decided to wait a while for them to make more and sort of forgot to check back. Now I have something nice and appropriate to watch throughout October. Wee!
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 06, 2012, 01:26:39 AM
 FUNimation will be releasing Hellsing Ultimate Stateside. A Blu-ray set containing the first four episodes is out this month, and another four eps next month.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 06, 2012, 05:33:03 AM
FUNimation will be releasing Hellsing Ultimate Stateside. A Blu-ray set containing the first four episodes is out this month, and another four eps next month.

Awesome! I'll skip the rerelease since I have the limited edition dvds for all of the volumes that were released in the states (and have somehow managed to keep the steelbooks from getting crushed, scratched or dented to hell) but I see it was announced just last month that the voice cast would be returning to finish out the series.

Trailer for the new boxset, NSFW due to violence. Also since it starts at volume 5, copious spoilers.
Hellsing OVA V-VIII - FUNimation English Box Set Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7HSVi60P-I#ws)
Sweet. I had basically stopped looking for news since Funimation got the rights like, 2 or 3 years ago wasn't it? And never did anything with it. Thanks for the great news.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Flame on October 06, 2012, 06:48:50 AM
Wait, so will Funi be dubbing it, or...?
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 06, 2012, 08:09:51 AM
Wait, so will Funi be dubbing it, or...?

Short Answer: The original English voice cast has returned to finish the series of "Hellsing Ultimate" OVAs.

Long answer AKA backstory AKA More than you probably wanted to know: Hellsing is, along with Cowboy Bebop, one of the few anime that I know of where fans pretty consistently prefer or at the least don't mind the English dub. When the celebrated English dubcast for the old 13 episode Hellsing TV series were reassembled sometime later to voice the Hellsing Ultimate OVAs, that in itself was a cause for celebration and note in the anime fandom at large. And it's no wonder with the great talent the series brought. Victoria Harwood is the voice of Integra Hellsing as far as I'm concerned.
 
But then after the release of the first 4 OVA volumes the North American distribution wing of Geneon Entertainment was shut down. This left the dubwork for the later OVA episodes unfinished and in a state of limbo. Since the rights to the dub were a bit of a mess (or so I've heard) and no one was going to pay to dub an anime without a distributor. So Hellsing Ultimate sat on a shelf for a long time until Funimation bought the rights to a chunk of Geneon's anime titles which included it. There wasn't much news after that for a while and it seemed doubtful that Funimation was going to dish out the cash to finish the dubwork with the original English cast and director. So this is the second time they've managed to assemble all of the actors (and I assume the director) after a break of years.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 06, 2012, 08:44:53 AM
Thanks for the great news.

Yeah, I'm excited as all get-out. I don't like the OVA (based on the first four eps) as much as the TV series, despite it being a bit more close to the manga, but it's still really cool.

I only own the first DVD, so I'll be all over the Blu-ray sets. Right Stuf has them pretty cheap, so I'll place an order sometime after I get my car fixed up.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Lashen on October 06, 2012, 08:51:59 AM
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Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 07, 2012, 02:35:18 AM
Yeah, I'm excited as all get-out. I don't like the OVA (based on the first four eps) as much as the TV series, despite it being a bit more close to the manga, but it's still really cool.

I only own the first DVD, so I'll be all over the Blu-ray sets. Right Stuf has them pretty cheap, so I'll place an order sometime after I get my car fixed up.

Yeah I think for a lot of people it depends on which one you saw first. Whether you prefer the at least Half-Cthulhu Dracula of the manga and OVA or the emphasis on creepiness (and Seras Victoria) in the TV show. I can't remember clearly which one I saw/read first though (they were all owned by an Otaku roommate I had) but the manga is by far my favorite. The TV series always felt kind of overly subdued to me, partly because of the TV budget, partly because the manga was nowhere near finished so they had to make up the ending, and partly because of censorship (What is that, ash? Sand? Not blood anyway.) But the OVA isn't perfect, it sacrifices pacing for the sake of constant action. Which leaves you less invested in the characters.
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But all three versions are still awesome. Quite possibly my favorite incarnation of Dracula aside from Castlevania.

I'm a little nervous that Funimation apparently hasn't licensed the final 2 episodes so the dub for those is still vaguely in doubt. Let's just hope strong sales convince them to buy those episodes and finish the dub. Too bad I'm broke, but that 4-8 set has gone just about to the top of my list of non-necessities to get when I can.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: C Belmont on October 07, 2012, 05:43:15 AM
There is a movie version where Frank Langella plays Dracula which I quite like. It's slightly different to the original Dracula story but I enjoy it far more than Francis Ford Coppola's version.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: X on October 07, 2012, 10:41:14 AM
Nice closet door  ;) Just make sure the real count Orloc isn't hiding in there. That would just ruin your weekend.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Flame on October 07, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Yeah I think for a lot of people it depends on which one you saw first. Whether you prefer the at least Half-Cthulhu Dracula of the manga and OVA or the emphasis on creepiness (and Seras Victoria) in the TV show. I can't remember clearly which one I saw/read first though (they were all owned by an Otaku roommate I had) but the manga is by far my favorite. The TV series always felt kind of overly subdued to me, partly because of the TV budget, partly because the manga was nowhere near finished so they had to make up the ending, and partly because of censorship (What is that, ash? Sand? Not blood anyway.) But the OVA isn't perfect, it sacrifices pacing for the sake of constant action. Which leaves you less invested in the characters.
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But all three versions are still awesome. Quite possibly my favorite incarnation of Dracula aside from Castlevania.

I'm a little nervous that Funimation apparently hasn't licensed the final 2 episodes so the dub for those is still vaguely in doubt. Let's just hope strong sales convince them to buy those episodes and finish the dub. Too bad I'm broke, but that 4-8 set has gone just about to the top of my list of non-necessities to get when I can.
I think the OVAs are honestly one of those things where it expects you to already be a fan, and have read the manga and maybe the tv show.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 08, 2012, 01:33:02 AM
I think the OVAs are honestly one of those things where it expects you to already be a fan, and have read the manga and maybe the tv show.

I would agree with you except that parts 1 and 2 are just about perfect adaptations in terms of pacing and everything else. I've heard rumors that at one point (around the time the manga ended I think) there was a plan to shorten the adaptation to 6 - 8 episodes, and that's why 3 and 4 are severely truncated in terms of story. There's also the fact that the OVA has changed animation studios iirc. I mean certainly they expect most people who are going to go out of their way to buy an expensive OVA to already be series fans, I just don't think that really explains the pacing issues in 3 and 4. Hopefully they've sorted it all out in parts 5 - 10.

Parts 1 and 2 may have just spoiled me, you can't really expect a lot of consistency in a long term serialized adaptation, especially one that changes hands. And if you want to know the characters and story better, the manga is still there. This is all just fan nitpicking I expect.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: TheCruelAngel on October 08, 2012, 08:31:56 AM
Just wanted to note he was dissolving sugar cubes in absinthe, not roofies in champagn-ya.

The roofies in champagne was my tongue in cheek way to reference rape, I know the sugar cubes in absinthe routine.  ;)

FUNimation will be releasing Hellsing Ultimate Stateside. A Blu-ray set containing the first four episodes is out this month, and another four eps next month.
Also holy cow, way to dictate how I'll be spending my paycheck! That is awesome and exciting news! I love Hellsing, so I'll definitely be sure to pick this up!
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 09, 2012, 02:04:15 PM
So I dug out and started watching my Hellsing Ultimate limited edition sets and I find a slip in one with "You've found the G-Spot!" (for "Geneon Spot Fanclub") and an ad for Ergo Proxy on the other side. I have to say it's no wonder Geneon's distribution wing fell under with some of these marketing decisions.
I want to know who thought it was a good idea to make the Alucard figurine/wall display only black and grey then call it "US Exclusive coloring!". Seems like one could have easily fit all of the content from the 2 special edition discs on a single DVD as well. That probably would have saved a lot of money. The artbooks are pretty nice though, if a little on the small side. About 200 DVD-dimension sized pages of production sketches compared to the final product on the opposite page. Considering these sets were really expensive at retail at the time (and I mean like, outrageously expensive if you paid full price) I don't think it'll be very hard for Funi to outdo them.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Beaumont_Belmont on October 09, 2012, 02:42:48 PM
I love Hellsing. I started with the TV show, got into the manga, and then saw the OVAs. One thing I thought dragged Hellsing Ultimate down though, was its soundtrack. The TV show was really eclectic and interesting- gave the show a "Tarantino does vampire hunters" feel. Ultimate's just feels so...generic by comparison.
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: Ratty on October 09, 2012, 03:24:04 PM
I love Hellsing. I started with the TV show, got into the manga, and then saw the OVAs. One thing I thought dragged Hellsing Ultimate down though, was its soundtrack. The TV show was really eclectic and interesting- gave the show a "Tarantino does vampire hunters" feel. Ultimate's just feels so...generic by comparison.

So many people seem to love the TV show's soundtrack and I don't know why. I've always thought it was one of the weaker points of that version. (But then my favorite music genre is Ska so what do I know?) Sure the TV show's opening theme is memorable, but I'd contend that Hellsing Ultimate's main theme is just as memorable, but more subtle. It comes down to the difference between the manga and OVA's emphasis on action and the TV show's tendency toward gothic-punk creepiness I suppose.

In my opinion the Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra performing "Merche Fuenbre" at the end of OVA 2 is one of the high points of the franchise as a whole.
I'm a hardcore Hellsing fan and I still think that piece of music may be almost too good, or at least too classy, for a series that inspired the "Party Hard" style image "Nazi Vampires Eating Babies!"
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: TheCruelAngel on October 09, 2012, 06:12:36 PM
Seriously, Hellsing is the reason why I wish this Mr Big song was in the Karaoke songs more than others. (I lurv singing anime tunes at Karaoke like some sick weaboo)

I mean, I can't be the only one who thinks this totally thematically different song for the outro is awesome, right?

mr big - shine videoclip (correct audio) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AClxnJa4J-Q#)

In my opinion the Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra performing "Merche Fuenbre" at the end of OVA 2 is one of the high points of the franchise as a whole.
I'm a hardcore Hellsing fan and I still think that piece of music may be almost too good, or at least too classy, for a series that inspired the "Party Hard" style image "Nazi Vampires Eating Babies!"

I also love the scene with Rip singing.

Tags for violence and spoilers. But seriously, an awesome scene.
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Post by: Ratty on October 10, 2012, 01:26:31 AM
I also love the scene with Rip singing.

Tags for violence and spoilers. But seriously, an awesome scene.
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Rip is in the same figurative boat with Jan Valentine in that her appearance is brief but extremely memorable. An example of how Hirano was able to make characters at once freakishly evil yet strangely likable.
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Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 10, 2012, 02:45:13 AM
I would agree with you except that parts 1 and 2 are just about perfect adaptations in terms of pacing and everything else.

That's kind of odd to read because I felt the first episode more than any other tried to squeeze a whole lot of story into 45 minutes. One of the coolest segments from the TV show is in the first episode when Alucard confronts the priest in the church, which was taken pretty much word-for-word from the manga and was paced really well. OVA episode 1 takes that, squashes it to a much shorter running time, and doesn't even get the setting right—they were so focused on just getting it over with that the confrontation happens out in the woods or a plain. I hated that. That first episode actually made me swear off the series for quite some time; I'd already spent a hell of a lot of money on one episode that I wound up not caring much for, so I didn't see the remaining (available) three eps until years later when I rented them from Netflix. It was primarily with those later episodes that I came to enjoy the show a lot more, though a rewatching of the first episode did also make me enjoy it considerably more. Guess I needed some time away from it, heh.
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Post by: Ratty on October 10, 2012, 03:05:09 AM
That's kind of odd to read because I felt the first episode more than any other tried to squeeze a whole lot of story into 45 minutes. One of the coolest segments from the TV show is in the first episode when Alucard confronts the priest in the church, which was taken pretty much word-for-word from the manga and was paced really well. OVA episode 1 takes that, squashes it to a much shorter running time, and doesn't even get the setting right—they were so focused on just getting it over with that the confrontation happens out in the woods or a plain. I hated that. That first episode actually made me swear off the series for quite some time; I'd already spent a hell of a lot of money on one episode that I wound up not caring much for, so I didn't see the remaining (available) three eps until years later when I rented them from Netflix. It was primarily with those later episodes that I came to enjoy the show a lot more, though a rewatching of the first episode did also make me enjoy it considerably more. Guess I needed some time away from it, heh.

Yeah I guess that comes down to what you're expecting/looking forward to when you go into it. I think I saw the first OVA before devouring the manga and TV show so that colored my perceptions and expectations. I wasn't really let down by anything they left out, and when I read the first volume didn't feel they'd omitted anything important. The TV show of course took it's sweet time with the early stories because that's all they had to go on, and even with lots of padding**  and some extra characters they still ran out of manga before 13 episodes were up. Which version is better is entirely opinion of course. And I'll always think the manga is the best.

On a less opinion-driven note though, I just head that OVA 10 is supposed to be over an hour long. That's good, hopefully it means they won't have to abridge the final chapter.

**Well done, moody padding one could argue. But still padding.
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Post by: TheCruelAngel on October 10, 2012, 08:17:03 AM
I started with the TV series, went manga and then finally OVA. I really enjoyed the TV series until I read the manga and was blown away by the millennium arc, and felt pretty ripped off for Geneon's version of the ending, well except for one part.

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Dang that was cool! While I think Ultimate is better than the series only because it follows the manga closer (which is amazing), I do have to admit the first parts of the tv series were definitely well paced and incredibly enjoyable. In fact, I think I'm going to dust off my old Hellsing dvds and watch some tonight!
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Post by: Ratty on October 11, 2012, 07:56:53 AM
I started with the TV series, went manga and then finally OVA. I really enjoyed the TV series until I read the manga and was blown away by the millennium arc, and felt pretty ripped off for Geneon's version of the ending, well except for one part.

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Dang that was cool! While I think Ultimate is better than the series only because it follows the manga closer (which is amazing), I do have to admit the first parts of the tv series were definitely well paced and incredibly enjoyable. In fact, I think I'm going to dust off my old Hellsing dvds and watch some tonight!

Yeah, Alucard as Vlad in the previews for Ultimate look pretty cool to. His enthusiastic use of impalement in the manga and OVA is also a gruesomely gory and appropriate nod to our favorite historical monster.
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Post by: Flame on October 13, 2012, 11:19:27 PM
I DID love the part in the manga where the destroyed Aircraft Carrier starts moving up the Thames with Alucard on board, and the narration tells the story of the Demeter which Dracula originally arrived to England aboard.

Followed of course, by Alucard Unleashing his legions and arriving in full armor as Vlad Dracula
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Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 14, 2012, 10:17:03 AM
So many people seem to love the TV show's soundtrack and I don't know why. I've always thought it was one of the weaker points of that version. (But then my favorite music genre is Ska so what do I know?) Sure the TV show's opening theme is memorable, but I'd contend that Hellsing Ultimate's main theme is just as memorable, but more subtle. It comes down to the difference between the manga and OVA's emphasis on action and the TV show's tendency toward gothic-punk creepiness I suppose.

OVA's music is largely forgettable, IMO. TV series' tunes stick out so much because, yeah, they're awesome rock tracks with a lot of experimentalism in instrument usage and production. It brought a great deal of style to the TV series.
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Post by: Ratty on October 14, 2012, 10:26:58 AM
OVA's music is largely forgettable, IMO. TV series' tunes stick out so much because, yeah, they're awesome rock tracks with a lot of experimentalism in instrument usage and production. It brought a great deal of style to the TV series.
Eh, I disagree but "De gustibus non est disputandum"
Personally I found the music in the TV show distracting and out-of-place feeling as often as not. Didn't seem to mesh with what the manga was trying to do. It was it's own thing. A lot of people like it though and used it (rather unfairly in my opinion) as the stick to measure the rest of the franchise. I remember reading on livejournal (yeah that's how far back this was lol) when the manga ended people who seemed to be primarily fans of the show saying Kouta Hirano clearly didn't know how to handle his own characters or premise.
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Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 17, 2012, 11:02:51 PM
Well, damn. Right Stuf no longer has the Hellsing Ultimate BDs on sale. First set was around $35, now it's closer to $45. Dammit... Waited too long.

Guess I'll wait and see what Amazon does, or maybe I can get 'em fairly cheap during a Deep Discount sale (they usually have one in November).
Title: Re: Favorite Dracula movie?
Post by: TheMalphas on October 23, 2012, 02:18:25 AM
I go either with Coppola's Dracula or Nosferatu. Gotta love that eerie looking vampire!
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Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 26, 2012, 04:11:23 AM
Ratty, maybe you'll know the answer to this. Any idea if Hellsing Ultimate was animated/mastered in standard def or not? I'm guessing being originally a production from '06, it's likely SD. Just wondering because these Blu-ray shots look like upconverts (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hellsing-Ultimate-Collection-Volumes-1-4-Blu-ray/50912/#Screenshots) (ya gotta be logged in to see 'em full 1080p). FUNimation seem to be pretty good about getting actual HD source materials when available or granted to them, and their upconverts seem to be all right save for a few rocky titles in the beginning (first Samurai Champloo BD set sucked pretty bad, though the "remastered" [a.k.a. properly upscaled] one is really nice).

Anyway, set's around $35 on Deep Discount so I placed an order. Wish it weren't so pricy, but I imagine the three included DVDs drove the price up quite a bit. Guess even the anime business has to go the way of the combo pack these days.
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Post by: Ratty on October 26, 2012, 08:14:05 PM
Ratty, maybe you'll know the answer to this. Any idea if Hellsing Ultimate was animated/mastered in standard def or not? I'm guessing being originally a production from '06, it's likely SD. Just wondering because these Blu-ray shots look like upconverts (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hellsing-Ultimate-Collection-Volumes-1-4-Blu-ray/50912/#Screenshots) (ya gotta be logged in to see 'em full 1080p). FUNimation seem to be pretty good about getting actual HD source materials when available or granted to them, and their upconverts seem to be all right save for a few rocky titles in the beginning (first Samurai Champloo BD set sucked pretty bad, though the "remastered" [a.k.a. properly upscaled] one is really nice).

Anyway, set's around $35 on Deep Discount so I placed an order. Wish it weren't so pricy, but I imagine the three included DVDs drove the price up quite a bit. Guess even the anime business has to go the way of the combo pack these days.

They had HD masters, at least that's what the packaging on my old DVD sets say "16x9 Anamorphic Widescreen [Encoded From HD Master]"
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Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 26, 2012, 08:42:57 PM
Studios tend to bullshit a lot on the packaging. I found out that episodes 1–5 are SD productions. If three-fourths of the second Blu-ray set look like upscales, something'll definitely be wrong. Hoping for the best.
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Post by: Ratty on October 27, 2012, 12:35:56 PM
Ahh it's just as well that I stick with my older discs then, not that I was planning to get the 1-4 set anyway lol. And yeah, I learned a long time ago to be wary of any claims on packaging. Remember when any crappy transfer coming down the pipe would say "digitally remastered" on it?
That always struck me as an odd thing to advertise on the Hellsing Ultimate package anyway, probably why I remembered it at all.
I mean the DVD is in standard definition, why bother to put that the master was supposedly in HD?
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Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 27, 2012, 02:40:55 PM
Unless Geneon were given a misleading HD master all those years back, one that was already upscaled.

There probably isn't much point to getting the first Blu-ray volume if you have all the eps on DVD already. I only ever bought the first one, and being a bit of a quality nut even when the upgrade is fairly minimal, I'm excited just to have the series in the highest possible quality. When you take an uncompressed SD digital master and upscale it properly, it'll look better than the DVDs. Such was the case with Samurai Champloo, but again the increase in detail and color reproduction is not greatly significant.

Excited for eps 6-8 though since they'll be native HD, and I guess the first The Dawn episode will be included.