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Title: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Ratty on May 31, 2012, 05:25:37 PM
With an active history of more than two decades and so many titles under it's belt, Castlevania is a series with it's fair share of games not given their fair shake by the general public. This has happened for a variety of reasons, from popular misconceptions about a title or merely obscurity or rarity of a particular game. So what entries in the series do you feel are unfairly overlooked or even condemned by the public at large, and why do you think they were/are?


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For me, as most people could probably guess, the answer is Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness and Castlevania Legends. LoD is about as close to a Classicvania as you could get in 3D without becoming overly frustrating or running into common problems associated with that dimensional jump. It's got a great story, great characters, terrific art direction and smooth controls. Even today it's visually appealing with a great deal of variety and replay value. It's just a gorgeous game in all respects in my opinion, and one of the best on the N64.
I like the story of Legends, the Belmonts being descended from Dracula is just a great concept to my mind. It extends the fascinating motif found in SOTN to all of the Belmonts after Sonia. That the eternal struggle between good and evil is between sire and offspring; the sins of the father and the eternal struggle to overcome the faults of one's progenitors while recognizing and being empowered by the positive (and powerful) things inherited from them. The gameplay wasn't bad, it was a solid Castlevania game. A step down from Belmont's Revenge but I blame most of that on the fact that the dev team was forced to add in Super Gameboy "enhancements". Not to mention they were developing for a system that was fairly outdated in 1997, but which Konami was I suppose newly interested in with the explosion in popularity of Pokemon that rocketed the little grey brick back into the popular consciousness.

Both of these games had the misfortune to follow Symphony of the Night, which for many in the general public was Castlevania. I feel they were both unfairly hated because they were Classicvania when most of said gaming public were expecting 3D and hand-held SOTN respectively. And the sense I get is that many reviewers seemed to feel that anything that was not Metroidvania for the series was a step backwards/in the the wrong direction. Which reinforced a negative perception of these games that lasts to this day. Added to this was that both games were released in somewhat limited quantities in North America and are now rare, and that many consumers who would have liked LoD were already burned by the, let's face it, incomplete experience of CV64.

PS - CV64 itself seems to have gotten a new wave of flack after a factually inaccurate review by the Angry Video Game Nerd a few years ago, which I'm sure you've all seen. But eh it's the AVGN, complaining about it would be like fussing at the weather, it does what it does.
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Post by: Raxivace on May 31, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
I almost want to say Castlevania II: Simon's Quest since I do think that there are some incredibly interesting ideas in that game. I just think the NES wasn't the best system that they could have been executed on, for a variety of gameplay and cultural reasons.
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Post by: Thomas Belmont on May 31, 2012, 05:40:46 PM
Castlevania 2: Simon's Quest is definitely underrated.
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Post by: Flame on May 31, 2012, 06:07:51 PM
I really feel like saying Bloodlines... If only because it's the odd man out on the Genesis, a system that not many Castlevania fans probably had at the time, since up 'till then, CV was on the NES and SNES mostly.

Unless they were Sonic fans too, in which case they might have had a Genesis.

But nowadays, with the powers of emulation, by no means is it underrated, it definitely gets its dues.

Yeah CV: 2 is kinda underrated. but for good reason, considering how difficult it is to progress in a plain vanilla copy of the game without Nintendo Power.
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Post by: X on May 31, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
For me I feel that Legends, CVII and CV64/LoD are underrated.

Castlevania Legends is still an interesting game for me. But I think it could've been better. That is of course if it came out for, say the Gameboy color or the Advance. Either of these would give Legends much better treatment then what was presented. The story elements could have also been extended somewhat as I felt the game kind of rushed the story and they could've used story cut-scenes after a stage was completed to help move things along more smoothly.

Castlevania 2 is THE CV game I started with when introduced to the series for the first time. It holds a special place in my heart and I still enjoy it to this day. Even with all its flaws the game holds up fairly well considering.

CV64/LoD. Back when SotN was still very fresh in my mind and I couldn't wait till then next big 2D CV game, these 2 N64 titles hit the market and I had felt let down big time. Of course that was before LoI, CoD and LoS were introduced and now because of those titles, I can finally see CV64/LoD in a whole new and very accepting light. The story, gameplay, atmosphere, music, graphics all lend themselves to make an exceptional game that I just couldn't see until much, much later on and I feel it is my one great regret. For me these two N64 titles are the epitome of the 3D Castlevanias' and should they ever get the chance to be revisited for a much needed update then I won't hesitate to buy them again.
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Post by: Raxivace on May 31, 2012, 08:31:59 PM
Yeah CV: 2 is kinda underrated. but for good reason, considering how difficult it is to progress in a plain vanilla copy of the game without Nintendo Power.

Oh yeah, for sure.

The idea of the villagers all being liars too just seemed like too bold of a thing for an NES game in the late 80's.
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Post by: Vampire Killer on June 01, 2012, 02:37:02 AM
I'd have to say Rondo. Great game, and while most Cv favs like it, it wasn't until recently that it came out on a system that more than five people owned.

Castlevania XX is also underrated imo. Probably one of the most difficult in the series.
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Post by: knightmere on June 01, 2012, 10:58:57 AM
Rondo of Blood is certainly not underrated. It was widely praised even when it was first released over seas.  If you want to talk about a great Castlevania that is underrated my pick would be Bloodlines.   It is always seems to be in the shadow of Super Castlevania IV being it was released right in the heat of the 16-bit war between the SNES and Genesis.  Dracula XX is widely considered to be an inferior version of Rondo and for good reason.  So I don't believe it is underrated at all.  The only saving grace is the soundtrack IMO.
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Post by: Nagumo on June 01, 2012, 11:15:14 AM
 I would say CVA because it has good design, an amazing soundtrack and a very interesting and unique take on the Castlevania universe.
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Post by: e105beta on June 01, 2012, 12:59:34 PM
I'd say Harmony of Dissonance. Get's a really bad rap, but it was a really good game.
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Post by: Omegasigma on June 01, 2012, 01:15:47 PM
CV64 was one of the best in the series imo, in terms of layout etc, sure it wasnt the biggest castle in the series, but it was very satisfying games for me

Judgment would be another underated,game, sure it has flaws, but the wii never had ways to address bugs, no patching etc, unless done via mods, the game has if not one of the best soundtracks in the series, the character designs if one can look past them, is what really urked alot of fans
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Post by: Francis on June 01, 2012, 01:19:03 PM
CV64 & LoD for sure.
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Post by: Harrycombs on June 01, 2012, 02:43:48 PM
Definitely CV64. The only part of the game that I didn't like was the nitro. It was a fantastic take on the Castlevania series and was true to the series' roots. I'm also sad to see how many casual fans didn't like DXC. I guess its not possible to pull many of those people into the classic style, especially since DXC was by far the easiest Classicvania. In a way, the classic games in general seem to be underrated by everyone that is not a hardcore fan.
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Post by: Munchy on June 01, 2012, 05:27:29 PM
Gotta give another vote to CVA.
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Post by: Lumas on June 01, 2012, 05:53:07 PM
Castlevania 64 and Castlevania LOD. Honorable mention is Castlevania Legends. Im not gonna go into detail on my choices here I think everyone has explain why these games are underrated, plus is my personal opinion.
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Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 02, 2012, 05:36:21 AM
Bloodlines and Lament. I liked those two games a lot ,even though they're not perfect in every aspect. Bloodlines suffers from the sound, but again i personally like it. And Lament because even though it's repetitive and the story isn't that great, but i really loved how they rendered the whip.
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Post by: VladCT on June 02, 2012, 05:42:40 AM
Well, if I were to consider it from one aspect of the game, it's HoD's music. Sure, the instrumentation's crappy, but the composition's top-notch if you actually listen. It is, after all, a Harmony of Dissonance. Maybe the localizers had that in mind when they changed the subtitle from "Concerto of the Midnight Sun"?
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Post by: Nox_A15 on June 02, 2012, 06:38:02 AM
I'm not sure about overall reception, but Circle of the Moon is a little gem for me. With interesting, more western approach, big castle, many secrets and quite high difficulty level for "metroidvania" game. I enjoyed the plot, music (those classics, mmm :D) and gameplay. The major flow is unclear card gathering.

But that might be my sentiments - it was the second Castlevania game I ever played (with first Castlevania for NES being... well, first one :P). After that I discovered, how many Castlevania games were published through the years. That was... wow, just wow. Fun times. :)
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Post by: Castlevania Crypt on June 02, 2012, 08:12:38 AM
I think Circle of the Moon is underrated when they mention the SOTN/Metroid style games. COTM was actually more difficult when compared to Harmony of Dissonance and Aria of Sorrrow. COTM did not have an item shop, you had to find potions, etc from defeating monsters. Also I remember Dracula being very hard to beat in that game. Plus the Battle Arena was awesome.

I think people did not give COTM as much credit as it deserved because when it was released the Game Boy Advance was not backlit yet, and the game itself is darker looking and harder to see on the original GBA. By the time I got COTM I had the backlit SP version of the GBA, as well as Gamecube GBA player.
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Post by: Ratty on June 02, 2012, 09:49:22 AM
Bloodlines and Lament. I liked those two games a lot ,even though they're not perfect in every aspect. Bloodlines suffers from the sound, but again i personally like it. And Lament because even though it's repetitive and the story isn't that great, but i really loved how they rendered the whip.

I think the single worst advice I got for Lament was that "The house of sacred remains makes a great starting area!" Yeah, sure. The enemies are all weak but it's the single most confusing level in the game. I stopped playing for a while because of that only to come back and find a very enjoyable game after becoming more used to constantly checking the mapscreen. And after I stopped trying to follow the Bradygames guide, I can't recall another guide so sloppily edited. Just take the maps and run with them.

I'm really surprised to see votes for CVA, I've always felt the slowdown (especially when combined with the precise platforming sections) crippled the game. I will agree that Battle of the Holy is possibly the most underrated and underused theme though.
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Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 02, 2012, 04:30:27 PM
Yeah it happened to me the same thing when i first got my hands on LoI. I got stuck somewhere and give up playing it.I think it was when you fight the fire elemental, which is optional. Then last year i played it again, and this time I followed the map. It's really not that hard once you get used to checking it all the time. Also i used a guide to know which key to get and where to use it. Heck even the Forgotten One isn't that hard to take down. It's a pretty long battle but not too tough.
Tbh I haven't finished playing CVAdventure, but Battle of the Holy is one of my favorite cv themes of all time.Come to think of it, CV adventure was the first Castlevania i've ever seen and played. I was 4 or 5 back then.
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Post by: Ratty on June 02, 2012, 04:39:28 PM
Yeah it happened to me the same thing when i first got my hands on LoI. I got stuck somewhere and give up playing it.I think it was when you fight the fire elemental, which is optional. Then last year i played it again, and this time I followed the map. It's really not that hard once you get used to checking it all the time. Also i used a guide to know which key to get and where to use it. Heck even the Forgotten One isn't that hard to take down. It's a pretty long battle but not too tough.
Tbh I haven't finished playing CVAdventure, but Battle of the Holy is one of my favorite cv themes of all time.Come to think of it, CV adventure was the first Castlevania i've ever seen and played. I was 4 or 5 back then.

Yeah CVA was one of the first I ever saw to. Though like the original game on the NES while I played it it was only borrowed at the time. Loved Battle of the Holy, wish it was used more often in the series. And CVA had good atmosphere, the problem was just that awful slowdown and as I recall limited continues I've never beaten it either. Ditto on only recently beating LoI
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Post by: SilentCircuit on June 03, 2012, 06:47:18 AM
Simon's Quest and Harmony of Dissonance.
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Post by: Nox_A15 on June 03, 2012, 10:50:27 AM
I think people did not give COTM as much credit as it deserved because when it was released the Game Boy Advance was not backlit yet, and the game itself is darker looking and harder to see on the original GBA. By the time I got COTM I had the backlit SP version of the GBA, as well as Gamecube GBA player.

That may be it. I also started my adventure with GBA with SP version. To be honest - at first I finished Castlevania trilogy for GBA on emulators, so it wasn't a problem at all for me. When I first time read about GBA SP, I bought it and started to search for these games as well.
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Post by: Tavis Belmont on June 03, 2012, 04:18:33 PM
I didn't hear too many people talk about Rebirth after it came out, and I felt it was a quality game. Granted, by that point none of my friends had a Wii OR wanted to purchase a "re-imagining" of Adventure, but I thought it was better than the Game Boy original. Christopher's animations were fluid, the enemies felt fresh (the power of new sprites), and Dracula's final form was pretty cool (and different). I liked it so much I was hoping for a Rebirth 2.
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Post by: Gecko on June 04, 2012, 11:38:53 AM
I didn't hear too many people talk about Rebirth after it came out, and I felt it was a quality game. [. . .]I liked it so much I was hoping for a Rebirth 2.

I agree. It was a bit overshadowed (haha) by discussions of Lords of Shadow, which was still big news and not out yet at the time. While it does have a lot of original sprites, some of the sprite reuse is pretty obvious, like the white Soma bats. That irked me for a while, but I got over it. It's a good game, that's a great tribute not only to the Adventure games, but also to the classic stage-by-stage Castlevanias. I still really like it. Plus, the stages would be designed a little differently depending on the difficulty setting you played on. That's cool. Makes stage three a huge challenge though. You have to relearn how to play certain areas.


I also agree with those who mentioned LoI. In fact, I have the game paused on my TV right now! I still love this game. The first Castlevania I played was Circle of the Moon, but Lament was the first one I ever personally owned, so it does have a little nostalgia attached to it. But it has a fantastic soundtrack, and really beautiful, well-stylized graphics. I vastly prefer its appearance to that of CoD. This is also consistant with my view of 3D games with third-person perspective, but I really like automatic cameras that follow the action. This game does it pretty well, though not as well as LoS does (it being the only other 3D Castlevania with this kind of camera).

I love the combos, and it's fun messing with them to combine different moves for combat variety. Subweapons were made especially interesting with a system similar to the spellbooks in HoD, though instead you used the orbs obtained from beating each boss (+ the white orb). Relics really add to the experience as well. It'd be cool if one of our upcoming LoS sequels were to use this kind of system. LoS had an updated (and IMO improved) version of LoI's whip combo system, but the limited subweapons got kind of boring.

While largely repatative, LoI's stages are all pretty cool. They are all distinct from one another that you know where you are when you load your game. Yes, they all have silly hallways absent of enemies, but something I've always liked is the unique rooms that stand out. To me they're memorable, and one of the main things I think about when I think of this game. For instance, there's the room you traverse a room full of platforms in the aquaduct area before the ice elemental boss, there's the timed platforming segment in the Alchemy Laboratory, Peeping Eye/ Skeleton bowling in the Cathedral, the room in the theater where you can jump down from the first floor to the second and fight those two ogres, the neat coin minigame in the aquaduct area that you use to get to certain areas... etc.

I also like the story. It's really campy and predictable, but I've just always liked it. The cutscenes look really nice too, and the music that accompanies them fits each moment so well. I especially like the song that plays alongside Mathias' speech at the end of the game before the Death fight.


...That went on longer than expected. Now back to my game!
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Post by: benmont on June 07, 2012, 08:59:24 AM
                                                 
portrait of ruin
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Post by: CrashDiary27 on June 07, 2012, 11:56:50 PM
simon's quest. The game was impossible without some sort of guide...heck, I remember calling video game hotlines when I got stuck for weeks. The overall feel of the game just struck something with me back then though.
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Post by: Dremn on June 08, 2012, 12:24:23 AM
Bloodlines, Belmont's Revenge, and ReBirth are all extremely underrated. I don't ever see them getting as much love as the other games. I think I'm the only one who loves Rebirth as much as I do.
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Post by: davidwesterlund on June 09, 2012, 01:40:25 PM
I don't know if it can be considered underrated since all DS Castlevanias got good scores, but I sometimes feel that Portrait of Ruin gets a bit sandwiched betweed Dawn of Sorrow and Order of Ecclasia. The music is great, the character has a whip (I need a whip!) and I love stepping into the different paintings.
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Post by: DrLight66 on June 09, 2012, 10:32:22 PM
Bloodlines, Belmont's Revenge, and ReBirth are all extremely underrated. I don't ever see them getting as much love as the other games. I think I'm the only one who loves Rebirth as much as I do.

LOL i was thinking of both Bloodlines and Belmont's Revenge, while Rebirth i've never played.  Bloodlines because it was released at the very end of the Genesis' lifespan and Belmont's Revenge because it seems very few people remember or ever played the original Gameboy Castlevania games. 

And of course, the most underrated game in the entire series is Legacy of Darkness, a game that a lot of people don't even know exists lol and when they do find out what it is they think it's just a cheap director's cut version of C64 released by Konami to sucker gamers into spending more money, much like how Resident Evil: Director's Cut was basically Resident Evil with an optional arranged mode and new soundtrack (and surprisingly it didn't have the battle mode featured in the saturn port and it didn't contain the promised uncensored scenes from the opening FMV.
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Post by: Munchy on June 09, 2012, 10:56:06 PM
Bloodlines, Belmont's Revenge, and ReBirth are all extremely underrated. I don't ever see them getting as much love as the other games. I think I'm the only one who loves Rebirth as much as I do.

Rebirth was alright but the stage lengths were sometimes really disproportionate, not to mention a lot of them just looked too... samey. It could have had more stuff taken from the Gameboy games too.

I loved all the routes with the keys though.
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Post by: TheouAegis on June 10, 2012, 11:48:56 AM
The simple answer to sum up and close this whole topic is ANY Castlevania game predating 1996. It's a fact, because kids these days are hung up on anything made when I was in high school, when it's a fact that many of the games made before I was in high school were far superior to most of the games in the series now.
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Post by: DrLight66 on June 10, 2012, 02:53:44 PM
The simple answer to sum up and close this whole topic is ANY Castlevania game predating 1996. It's a fact, because kids these days are hung up on anything made when I was in high school, when it's a fact that many of the games made before I was in high school were far superior to most of the games in the series now.

Nah, the original Castlevania, Castlevania III and Super Castlevania IV everyone seems to know about and revere, even the younger gamers who are fans of the series.
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Post by: Ratty on June 10, 2012, 04:25:42 PM
The simple answer to sum up and close this whole topic is ANY Castlevania game predating 1996. It's a fact, because kids these days are hung up on anything made when I was in high school, when it's a fact that many of the games made before I was in high school were far superior to most of the games in the series now.
I wouldn't say that. As DrLight66 already pointed out CV1 and 3 are usually revered as NES classics. The kids who dismiss them are the same ones who are likely to think ALL games that aren't current gen are crap. And who have no historical perspective or grasp on hardware limitations/gameplay evolution whatsoever. Super Castlevania 4* seems to regularly make "Top 10/25/etc." lists of SNES games. Right up there with the first party and Sqaure / Enix classics.

Part of it is that kids raised today have a completely different view on games. While we are more apt to look at a game as a challenge, they seem more prone to view it merely as an "experience" like a book or movie. So they don't get the sense of reward finally beating a difficult game, only the unfamiliar sensation of frustration at losing. Because they've been raised on games that were designed to hold your hand for 40+ hours.

*Perhaps tellingly one of if not the easiest Classicvania.
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Post by: CrashDiary27 on June 10, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
well said...but the only good thing that comes of this is that my son isn't throwing around controllers...yet!
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Post by: Kale on June 11, 2012, 02:08:07 AM
You better give them harder stuff! If you don't, he'll be easily frustrated later and it won't be a controller he throws, but a tv.
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Post by: Maddux on June 12, 2012, 12:54:13 PM
Simon's Quest
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Post by: Belmont Stakes on June 17, 2012, 03:10:27 PM
Basically any CV game that doesn't get it's full commitment from the programmers and the designers. Simon's Quest is the prime example.

I almost want to say Castlevania II: Simon's Quest since I do think that there are some incredibly interesting ideas in that game.

There is the issue at large. The series is neglected by the people making the games and then by the public.
Simon's Quest, Dracula X, Bloodlines (very innovative),CV 64 and LOD, LOI, COD, Judgement and LOS: all of these games have the substance and flash to grab more notice from non CV fans like ourselves. The problem is it's too popular for it's own good due to the people that are managing it's legacy. Aside from that I don't know what the issue could be. Maybe because it is too heavily rich in religious referencing for a overly religious populous, maybe vampires are not chic enough (damn you Twilight), maybe the game is seen as something goth kids would be involved with, maybe the games are on the wrong systems. Or maybe people have too much of a hard on for Link, Mario, Master Chef, or whoever else in the gaming universe to get it's proper dap. I don't know.

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Post by: Johnny Alucard on June 17, 2012, 03:32:12 PM
Kid Dracula, easily.  It being a spinoff on the NES/GB makes it that much more obscure.
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Post by: vyck_st.judas on June 27, 2012, 08:59:59 PM
Circle of the moon.
It's basically the FULL Belmont whip slinging awesome sauce game we never got from SoTN. You could still play as him if you beat it with Alucard, But it was a very lackluster experience. I remember the first time I played SoTN. I was FLOORED (AS IF BOLO YUENG HAD SLAPPED BANANA SHIT OUT OF ME, FLOORED!) by all the cool moves Richter had in the beginning. Granted, We didn't have much money, so I went from a bargain bin NES with 4 Funcoland used games, and 1 from the video rental store, (TMNT1, CV1, CV2, CV3, and Double Dragon1) directly to shoveling cars out of the snow all winter so i could have it... I regret nothing.
Anyway, back to the point. The first five minutes were just WOW! Then it was suddenly over and I was introduced to this new/revamped guy. Alucard. He looked Freaking great, but I was not impressed at all with his moveset... at first. I decided to keep playing. I had busted my ass all winter to get this game, a playstation, and a TV that didn't require that co-axial thing with the little two prong feet. (remember those?) I'd be damned if if i wasn't gonna finish. As I progressed, I found that I just kept liking the game more and MOAR!!! I couldn't wait to get home from school for another fix. I was taking my time at first, but once i heard you could play as Richter again, I burned though that bad-boy Like a crack head fresh out of rehab. I beat the game @ 200% and immediately input the code. I was severely disappointed. Alucard had gotten me accustomed to a certain type of gameplay. It seemed like everything that made the game amazing had been stripped away, and Richter's flashy new moveset despite the initial cream my pants feeling, just couldn't hold a candle to what i had just finished playing. I wouldn't touch the game for years.
Then "Circle of the Moon" came out. I figured why not. I had a real job and more money by then. Despite What all the reviews said, I bought an N64 and had an absolute blast with those titles... but i was still chomping at the bit for that 2d experience. (Just one more hit dammit!) I figured why not. So i bought a GBA and a copy of the game. I was never so NOT disappointed. After all that time had passed I finally got to play as a "Belmont" (I know he's not officially, but c'mon. He's a better Belmont than most.) With all the bells an whistles that made Alucard's gameplay kick ass! I spent hours on end sitting in so very many uncomfortable positions under my light bulb that I just don't have a proper expletive for it. The game saw me buy every GBA that came out, A GameCube solely for the GBA player, a DS, a DS lite, several PSPs for emulation, and eventually a hacked XBOX. I even learned to hack my WII and Jtag my first 360, Just to have most of my CV games on one console. Fanboy 9000! It's the game that first inspired me to rip sprites, and eventually start sprite editing. (Which coincidentally, has brought me so much joy over the years I just lack the communicational skills to give it it's proper due.) I even learned to code and script with the OpenBor engine to breathe life into my little creations. The only downside is they never used that art style again. I found it to be the perfect bridge between the NES days of my youth and the 32 bit, "LETS JUST ADD ALPHA BLENDING TO EVERTHING!" Games like SoTN.

Sorry about the long trip down memory lane. I posted in the requests section before reading the rules. I could have been a lame ass and made 3 single word replies, But; Looking through the forum I've seen a LOT of posts by people who it would seem have walked down the same road, and had a Belmont to keep them company for every stage of their life. The series just seems to be that old and beloved here. a single word answer would just not have been enough respect.
Inadequate.   
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: DrLight66 on July 03, 2012, 08:18:54 PM
I have yet to play the GBA Castlevania games.  I'll be getting a Gameboy Player for my Gamecube shortly and then i'm gonna have a huge marathon with all 3 games, unless i decide to play the two Metroid games first.  It's gonna be one big Metroidvania month lol.

For Legacy of Darkness, i just wrote an updated and very different review for it here" http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,5110.0.html (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,5110.0.html) explaining not only why it's so much better than C64 but also why it's such an underrated classic
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 12, 2012, 06:22:18 PM
Legacy of Darkness and Circle of the Moon.

Both are solid, and marry the feel of a classicvania with another style of play.
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Post by: KyleVoakes on July 16, 2012, 08:51:51 AM
I always thought Dracula X was a bit under-praised. Sure, it's a port of the more complete Rondo of Blood, but at the time when I had a physical copy, I never knew that, and I saw it as another great Castlevania game. Seeing how SCV4 used the 8-directional aiming of the whip, Dracula X is a more faithful translation of the NES formula than an evolution of the series.
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Post by: Mooning Freddy on July 16, 2012, 10:53:09 PM
Circle of the Moon, like st. Judas said. It was the first CV I played after the NES ones and encouraged me to learn more about the series. Also, I loved the way you start the game in the catacombs, instead of in the castle entrance like most other CVs.
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Post by: Belmont Stakes on July 19, 2012, 08:27:05 PM
By the way to answer the original question, Bloodlines. It's super innovative and moody and then maybe Chronicles.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: CircleBoi6 on October 10, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
I say LoD and maybe CVC.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Gaawa-chan on October 10, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
Lament of Innocence, imo.
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Post by: Dark Nemesis on October 11, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
Lament of Innocence, imo.

Never posted here, so i'll have to say that i agree that LoI is one of the most underrated games, since it might not have the best looking graphics or areas background graphics, but it has one of the best 3D game play mechanics, 3D platforming, no character xp level grinding, just stats power up items along with equipment to increase your characters stats and puzzles. I think i'll have to give another run.
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Post by: Beaumont_Belmont on October 14, 2012, 12:37:39 AM
I feel like Circle of the Moon gets ignored a lot of the time, maybe because it's been de-canonized, maybe because a lot of people forget in favor of later GBA and DS titles. But it's the only GBA 'Vania that I found challenging, features a well-designed Castle and most shocking of all, ORIGINAL SPRITES! The DSS system was also a nice and varied change from the more conventional magic attacks we got in the other GBA games.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Pfil on January 18, 2013, 06:39:43 PM
I believe Portrait of Ruin is very underrated, because a lot of people seems to hate it but I really enjoyed everything about it (played, in all modes, 70+ hours).
But that would be unfair hate.

In terms of underrated, I would say that the Game Boy trilogy receives very little attention these days.
Also, the N64 games are really, really underrated. To me, despite their mistakes, they are the perfect example of how to make a 3D Castlevania.
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Post by: Zuljaras on January 22, 2013, 08:26:36 AM
From all Castlevania games that I have played there are several titles that I feel people do not like.

1. Castlevania Harmony of Dissonance - People complain about the quality of the sound, they also complain about the graphics being too cartoonish. Well I don't think so ... there is a charm in the music that makes it feel old like the NES versions and the graphics for me are quite good.

2. Castlevania Circle of the Moon - why don't people see just how good this game is. Beautiful music, extremely nice graphics. Most people say that it is quite dark ... well that is true but I play in on my DS lite and I don't have that problem. The castle areas are one of the most memorable in all castlevania games.

3. Castlevania Portrait of Ruin & Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow - I put those two title next to each other because I have heard bad things for both of them equally. For example DoS is borring grind-fest of sould and the high-end weapons are made by sacrificing boss souls - well that is a welcome change for me from AoS which was easy and if you know where claimh solais is the game is pretty much over. As for PoR I really liked the long dialogs and the character interaction between eachother. I don't mind the anime style as long it is CV game :D

Well those are for me the most underrated Castlevania games.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: kraidstar on January 22, 2013, 10:48:24 AM
a lot of good stuff in this topic. one thing we can really take from this is that just about every CV game is at least above-average. the standards for this series are high, though, leading to a lot of expectations which have changed as time has gone on, our perspectives looking back now are certainly different than when these games originally launched. but i think time has shows that this series is remarkable is how it has so many games with different attributes on different systems, and somehow they are all still good. overall i've played every game except for judgement, the ios game, and Lords of Shadow, and i've enjoyed every game. but here's my list.

1. legacy of darkness. N64 - really one of the top-10 or at least top-20 N64 games. big, varied environments/objectives, fun but nerve-wracking platforming (clock tower is amazing), good bosses, lots of replay value, decent item system. this is the direction 3D CV games should be going in. funny thing is, CV64 got very good reviews when it came out, so there must have been some redeeming qualities to it. and then legacy actually greatly fixed/improved many of the camera/control/slowdown problems and added a whole bunch of new content, and yet those games are now generally remembered as failures... doesn't make sense, and i hope more people come to appreciate the many good qualities of those games.

2. Haunted Castle, arcade - this is one of the weaker CV games, but it is so poorly regarded that i felt i had to include it in the list. it is exceptionally difficult, but can be mastered with patience and practice, and the level design, enemies, and atmosphere are actually very good. start off with the easier ROM set and even lower the difficulty if you like. once you get the hang of it, it's actually a really fun game. the key is to add quarters at the beginning of the game to boost your health way up to 400% - this means you only have 1 life, but believe me, it is still possible to win, and there aren't many bottomless pits to kill you anyways. collect all the hearts you can, there are some spots where getting a couple of those tricky hearts means all the difference in the world (excess hearts boost your health at the end of the level). also use the stopwatch, it is by far the best weapon.

3. Vampire Killer, MSX computer - a fun oddity that has the same physics/graphics of CV1, but some very unusual gameplay, which involves searching short, 4-5 screen levels for keys and items. it's actually pretty fun, but you'll need to use the infinite lives cheat, as the game is nearly impossible otherwise.

4. Castlevania Dracula XX, SNES - this is a good CV game, and it is really more of a sister game to rondo rather than a port. the levels are completely different, though the enemies are largely the same. the end boss is one of the best in the series as well. based on its own merits it's a good game, though not great, and is worth playing for any CV fan whether you've played rondo or not.

5. Bloodlines, genesis - this is one of the best CV games in the series, but is rarely mentioned as such. i love the fast gameplay, it's a nice departure from the belmonts' normal slower speed. the bosses are also exceptional. i do wish though they'd abandoned the limited continue system and just made the game harder but with infinite continues.

honorable mention: CV chronicles, CV rebirth

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Post by: PyramidHead on January 22, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
Of course, Legacy of Darkness is underrated. Usually when I play other Castlevanias I sometimes say something like "I would add this.""I would change that". "It would be more fun if...". But when I play LoD I say nothing. I just can't imagine what can make this game even better.

Also, Simon's Quest. It has its flaws, but it's not a bad game. Actually, it's one of the best games on nes. 
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: JoshuaKadmon on January 24, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
I think Castlevania Chronicles, especially its Arrange Mode, is sorely overlooked.  Its content and level structure are like an amalgamation of the original Castlevania, Vampire Killer, Haunted Castle, and Super Castlevania IV.  Its release on PSX was also a sort of homecoming for Koji Igarashi and Ayami Kojima.  I still enjoy playing it on my Vita.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Skycaptain Steampunk on March 22, 2013, 12:35:08 AM
Lords of shadows is the more underrated every body hate it when is the best of the history, this is the more underrated any game can have.
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Post by: son_the_vampire on March 22, 2013, 06:06:47 AM
Order of Shadows... such a wholesome game... very short but you can see that they put effort into it.. i like the music too
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Post by: Flame on March 22, 2013, 11:43:30 AM
Lords of shadows is the more underrated every body hate it when is the best of the history, this is the more underrated any game can have.
Lords of Shadow is not underrated by any stretch of the imagination. It has many fans, and is specifically meant to garner more mainstream gaming media attention, where previous entries have been very niche. And on that front, it succeeded.

The fact that it was as divisive among the fanbase as it was, is solid proof that it is NOT underrated. It garnered PLENTY of attention, and PLENTY of opinions about it. both pro and con.

Also, sorry, still not the best CV in history. There are far stronger games which could get that title, like SCIV, or SoTN. Or possibly even Rondo. Or heck, CV3.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Skycaptain Steampunk on March 22, 2013, 05:14:39 PM
It is underrated because lot of people hate because it is made in Spain, if all people can look and see the only reality every one will see it is the best castlevania and stop talking about the past, the old games passed of fashion or the igarashis that are not for men i don't even think of igarashis as castlevanias and they are the better example of overrated, like who say.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Lelygax on March 22, 2013, 05:40:40 PM
We dont hate it because it has been made in Spain, we dislike some things in it because they did it wrong. A mistake is a mistake, it being made in Spain or Japan or any country, it simple doesnt matter.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Gaawa-chan on March 22, 2013, 06:13:54 PM
It is underrated because lot of people hate because it is made in Spain, if all people can look and see the only reality every one will see it is the best castlevania and stop talking about the past, the old games passed of fashion or the igarashis that are not for men i don't even think of igarashis as castlevanias and they are the better example of overrated, like who say.

I'm 1/4 Spanish, so... yeah.  Your little strawman of those who have different opinions is sad.
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Post by: Rudolph LagnaGaisaer on March 23, 2013, 12:06:06 PM
hum... can i expose CVA as one ? the game was freaking challenging (not hard only challenging) that when I won, I squeezed my own hand and said, congratulations you are the champion of the world of video games.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: justin312 on March 24, 2013, 06:33:23 PM
I think Bloodlines, CV64 and Circle of the Moon are all underrated. But the most underrated game by far is Simon's Quest. Today it has a bad reputation as being one of the worst CV games because its not very clear what you need to do. But you need to view it in the context of the era it came out in. The game came out right at the same time that it was the cover feature of a Nintendo Power issue that told you exactly what to do in all those unclear situations.  In those days everyone knew someone that had Nintendo Power, and it was just part of the culture to spread around those obscure tips so they became common knowledge, much like with the original Legend of Zelda (which, btw, also has a few "How the hell was I supposed to know to do that without a guide??" moments). In 1989, Simon's Quest was considered nothing less than one of the best NES games, period. It's only looking back from a modern perspective that it seems weak or a "black sheep".
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Pfil on March 24, 2013, 06:52:28 PM
I think Bloodlines, CV64 and Circle of the Moon are all underrated. But the most underrated game by far is Simon's Quest. Today it has a bad reputation as being one of the worst CV games because its not very clear what you need to do. But you need to view it in the context of the era it came out in. The game came out right at the same time that it was the cover feature of a Nintendo Power issue that told you exactly what to do in all those unclear situations.  In those days everyone knew someone that had Nintendo Power, and it was just part of the culture to spread around those obscure tips so they became common knowledge, much like with the original Legend of Zelda (which, btw, also has a few "How the hell was I supposed to know to do that without a guide??" moments). In 1989, Simon's Quest was considered nothing less than one of the best NES games, period. It's only looking back from a modern perspective that it seems weak or a "black sheep".
I consider Simon's Quest today as one of the best games ever, and I knew it when it was very old, and still I loved it.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Lelygax on March 25, 2013, 03:02:53 PM
Simon's Quest. Today it has a bad reputation as being one of the worst CV games because its not very clear what you need to do. But you need to view it in the context of the era it came out in.

This is not a excuse, everyone knew to write or read at this time, it has nothing to do with the "era". With the correct translation it would have received a better reputation, but I think its underrated too.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: justin312 on March 25, 2013, 03:56:38 PM
This is not a excuse, everyone knew to write or read at this time, it has nothing to do with the "era". With the correct translation it would have received a better reputation, but I think its underrated too.

My point about the era is that it did not have a bad reputation in 1989, in its own time. It developed its bad reputation in more modern times, because it hasn't aged nearly as we'll as, say, Castlevania III because of the translation issues. But back in the late 80's it's reputation was just fine, because everyone who owned it knew exactly what "Bang your head on Deborah Cliff" meant due to the gamer culture of that time.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Lelygax on March 25, 2013, 04:19:39 PM
They reviewed game at that era right? Someone have some review from this era to remove my doubts please?
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: justin312 on March 25, 2013, 07:10:19 PM
They reviewed game at that era right? Someone have some review from this era to remove my doubts please?

Check out the Wikipedia page for Simon's Quest, it states that it ranked #15 in Nintendo Power's list of top NES games, and also that "the game garnered positive reviews upon its release, and received the reputation of a Nintendo classic over time". Also read the first paragraph of the IGN review for the game. They all back up what I said, that Simon's Quest was considered a great game in its own time, and only got the reputation as a flawed game in more recent years, probably as newer CV fans were introduced to it after playing the more recent games (and the AVGN review contributed as well I'm sure).
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Skycaptain Steampunk on April 09, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
because its a bad game, the critics they say its good because they like rare games that play bad and confuse players of nonsense advise, you can look at it, see the old graphics, all the poeple is equal, all the boss levels are equal, all the marsh, they hash the game, not only, is the truth.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Gaawa-chan on April 10, 2013, 02:22:47 AM
because its a bad game, the critics they say its good because they like rare games that play bad and confuse players of nonsense advise, you can look at it, see the old graphics, all the poeple is equal, all the boss levels are equal, all the marsh, they hash the game, not only, is the truth.

My heart weeps.

Simon's Quest was a game of its time, and good for its time, reliant in great part on the gaming culture of the times, and it has aged horribly for that reason.

Hating a game for its graphics is like hating a cake for how pretty the icing is.  Pretty icing is always a bonus, but that's all it is.
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Post by: Shiroi Koumori on April 10, 2013, 02:33:33 AM
My heart weeps.

Simon's Quest was a game of its time, and good for its time, reliant in great part on the gaming culture of the times, and it has aged horribly for that reason.

Hating a game for its graphics is like hating a cake for how pretty the icing is.  Pretty icing is always a bonus, but that's all it is.

There is a rift in the gaming culture.
I would say Simon's Quest is a game that is best played when you appreciate the era when it was made. Then, you will like it. People nowadays have a tendency to compare old games with new ones, and that is so wrong.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Gaawa-chan on April 10, 2013, 02:39:08 AM
There is a rift in the gaming culture.
I would say Simon's Quest is a game that is best played when you appreciate the era when it was made. Then, you will like it. People nowadays have a tendency to compare old games with new ones, and that is so wrong.

The biggest complaint I see leveled again and again at Simon's Quest (too confusing/cryptic) also applies to The Legend of Zelda (arguably even more so) and take a look at the ratings it has on Gamefaqs:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/nes/563433-the-legend-of-zelda (http://www.gamefaqs.com/nes/563433-the-legend-of-zelda)
So... yeah. I'll admit, though, that the truly stellar games can and do stand the test of time, and Simon's Quest isn't amongst them.
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Post by: Lelygax on April 10, 2013, 02:46:28 AM
To be sincere, I didnt answered any post from this guy because Im exhausted right now and because of it I cant even do a decent post without saying what he deserve, but please, try to keep calm with him, he should have his motives to posting these kind of opinions here.
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Post by: Gecko on April 12, 2013, 05:59:41 PM
Hating a game for its graphics is like hating a cake for how pretty the icing is.  Pretty icing is always a bonus, but that's all it is.

I just wanted to say that this is the most beautiful way I've ever heard of someone making that point. Good show, sir! ;D
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Post by: Rudolph LagnaGaisaer on April 14, 2013, 06:08:18 PM
because its a bad game, the critics they say its good because they like rare games that play bad and confuse players of nonsense advise, you can look at it, see the old graphics, all the poeple is equal, all the boss levels are equal, all the marsh, they hash the game, not only, is the truth.

My eyes My eyes My eyes. AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh My Heart Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: justin312 on April 14, 2013, 08:09:03 PM
because its a bad game, the critics they say its good because they like rare games that play bad and confuse players of nonsense advise, you can look at it, see the old graphics, all the poeple is equal, all the boss levels are equal, all the marsh, they hash the game, not only, is the truth.

It's a game that hasn't held up as well as some other games from that time. That doesn't mean it's a bad game. If you judge a game based solely on how primitive the graphics are, that would mean Castlevania III is a bad game too, right? I don't think you'll find a soul on this board other than you who thinks Mirror of Fate with its pretty 2013 graphics is a better game than CV3.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Skycaptain Steampunk on April 14, 2013, 10:38:39 PM
No you miss the point, castlevania 2 is bad, it give the player the advise of the nonsense, like arrodilate in a mountain and wait for a tornado, they never say it, you have to be gueser to know this, but castlevania 3 is great game for the time of come out. Now is sure the graphics is old and the game look bad, they need remakes, just look at my other themes of days before, i say castlevania 3 is great, but never greatest what mirror of fate, you comparing the graphics, mirror of fate os the best, comparing the music, mirror of fate is the best, comparing the gameplay is the more fun of all games, castlevania 3 is fun but is the equal of many games of equal, you see? is because tecnology of today help of make the best games of the history, and the talent of a spanish peoples of mercurysteam. But castlevania 3 is always old great game.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Gaawa-chan on April 15, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
No you miss the point, castlevania 2 is bad, it give the player the advise of the nonsense, like arrodilate in a mountain and wait for a tornado, they never say it, you have to be gueser to know this,

This is why I said that:
"Simon's Quest was ... reliant in great part on the gaming culture of the times"

Back in the day, gaming was very social on a local level.  Gamers would share tips and tricks they found, and if you were really lucky, one of your friends would have a subscription to Nintendo Power, which was pretty much the Gamefaqs of the time.

Simon's Quest could get away with being confusing because instead of getting all upset over it, you would turn it into a social experience with you and all your friends trying to figure out what to do and then helping each other out.  The Legend of Zelda for the NES relied upon the same culture of the times EVEN MORE than Simon's Quest, which is why it's very annoying for someone who has never played it to pick it up today.  To this day, people still laud The Legend of Zelda for pretty much creating/popularizing a genre.  They are games of their times, of their culture.  That doesn't make them bad.

Way back when?  My parents used to make their own game maps on graph paper.  It wasn't a chore, it wasn't bad design; it was fun.  And it's why Simon's Quest got very good reviews when it came out; people liked it.  It was a completely different time, a different experience from today's gaming scene.


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graphics, mirror of fate os the best, comparing the music

Already went over this.  Graphics are irrelevant so long as the game manages to convey itself properly, music is a matter of personal tastes and there is no objective 'best.'


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comparing the gameplay

Level design and gameplay mechanics were far better in CV3.  There is far more thought and understanding put into CV3's design.  The way they managed the difficulty, the way they were able to put in characters that could climb the walls an fly without ruining the game's challenge, the fact that there WAS challenge.  More replay value, better enemy selection, surprisingly nuanced combat (again, goes into balance with both character abilities and sub-weapons), superior bosses (though could be less repetitive in some spots), and I could go on and on... with the exception of two rooms (melting/falling blocks, blegh), CV3 offers a tight, rewarding experience.


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tecnology of today help of make the best games of the history,

I think that technology today has the POTENTIAL to make the best games of history, but as of right now I do not think there is a single game from the latest generation of gaming that even comes close to hitting my top ten.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Pfil on April 17, 2013, 01:19:42 AM
Simon's Quest always was, still is and always will be an excellent game.
I've always wished they make another game like that. Dracula's Shadow (an indie re-imagining of Castlevania II) is one of my Top 10 favourite games of all time.

About the technology, I agree that it has the potential of making the best games ever. Most of the time they don't succeed, but there are some exceptions that can make a new game climb onto my Top 10 or 20. From recent years, I have amongst my favourites (aside from recent Castlevania titles like the games for NDS or PS2), Radiata Stories, Star Ocean 4, Valkyria Chronicles, Eternal Sonata, Riviera: The Promised Land...
Yes, I have a thing for JRPG's! :)

Ni No Kuni and Toki To Towa look like candidates to join my list of all-time favourites, but we'll see...
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Post by: Skycaptain Steampunk on April 23, 2013, 05:13:19 PM
castlevania 2 always be a bad game of nonsense advises to the player, in the past, and now, and in the future, you repeat is good it not become the true, is bad, equal to other they say lords of shadows is bad, they repeat it but is not a true, good castlevania game of the past is castlevania 3, good for it time of come out, not castlevania 2, overrated.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Pfil on April 23, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
Of course, everything you don't like is overrated, and everything you like is underrated.
Whatever...  :rollseyes:
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: silvaring on December 22, 2013, 05:08:35 PM
He's saying that Simon's Quest uses obtuse design to mask its difficulty, and this makes it a poorly designed game. To all those comparing Simons Quest to Zelda I don't think thats fair. In TLOZ the obtuse design (such as bombing specific walls and bushes) only came very late in the game, and most of the game is pretty well highlighted (such as raft launching points, special items in each dungeon, and a general overworld map). The only snag I can think of is maybe giving meat to the monster? Even so, can you compare those to oddities to finding one of the many dead ends on a game map, equipping a red crystal, and kneeling for a few seconds? This (any most puzzle games) use these kind of design tricks. Are they good, bad, or neither? I'm not sure, but what I do know is that the frustration games like Fez can bring is even greater than a really difficult section in a physically demanding action game with complex patterns. For example, no matter how many times you faced Death in the original CV at least there was room for trying different strategies and weapons, and having that drama unfold. You always knew that if you could just take that health bar down to 0 then you could progress to the next area. In a puzzle game though you often have no such feedback on your strategical attempts, and there might be no payoff in sight through all of your hard effort. This is why obtuse can be 'more' frustrating.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Simonbelmondo12 on December 22, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
Dracula X Cronicles
It is a collection of all the best games but no one mentions it.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: KaZudra on December 28, 2013, 11:19:35 AM
I'd have to say Legacy of Darkness and Harmony of Dissonance

Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Simonbelmondo12 on January 02, 2014, 07:57:51 PM
Lords of Shadow
Harmony of Dissonance
Legacy of Darkness
Simon's Quest
Portrait of Ruins
The Original
Dracula X Chronicles
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: adelcs on January 02, 2014, 08:38:01 PM
I'd say Harmony of Dissonance but even though it's a game I like a lot (it's one of my favorites, actually), I feel like most of the criticism it gets is founded. Some of the spritework is just plain bad, and the music is embarrassing for being on a GBA. I do think it had a lot of interesting ideas that don't get recognized, though, like the dashing system. In fact, HoD's movement in general was really good, especially when you were playing as Maxim. Speeding through the castle like a ninja was pretty damn cool.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Morning star on February 04, 2014, 05:15:19 AM
Dracula x and Simons quest. I liked the fact that the whip action went back to the style on the nes in Dracula x. And all the arguments made for why Simons quest is great are spot on!
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: GuyStarwind on February 05, 2014, 12:24:27 AM
It's been mentioned but I'll add my two cents to the mix

But that's the 64 games. Sure they have issues but who cares they're fun. Personally I think they're some of the most Castlevaniaish games out there. Only thing I would change is make crystals hearts, make Reinhardt's last name Belmont, and add in some more CV tunes. I'm sure I've ranted about this before but I think they do a good job in the CV world. The story isn't over the top, the characters are all interesting, it keeps it's items simple, it has cool things like being bit by a vampire for example. Seriously what a cool feature! Why haven't they added that back in(being able to get bit and turning into a vampire thus resulting in a game over) any of the other games? Anywho I could keep rambling but they're cool games which I think new CV games could learn some things from.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Anglachel on February 05, 2014, 11:17:52 AM
I would vote for Harmony of Dissonance.
Dissonance was my very first Castlevania game, and Juste is probably my favorite Belmont of the old timeline. It's weird how looking back I actually really like the story. I like how Death is more prominent in the story and the relationship between the two castles. (Nice twist, how one castle is really Maxim's castle.) Although, the music quality is bad (the beats are good, but the instruments need improvement.) and also the Dracula Wraith was way, way too easy. In fact, pretty much all the bosses are too easy. (Pazuzu did give me trouble as a kid, though.)

I noticed some voted for Circle of the Moon. I actually remember as a kid hating Circle of the Moon at first for one reason: the main character was not a Belmont. I soon got over that, though, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Very challenging and rewarding, too.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Morning star on February 05, 2014, 09:48:30 PM
Seriously what a cool feature! Why haven't they added that back in(being able to get bit and turning into a vampire thus resulting in a game over) in any of the other games?

This for the win! I agree, that would be beyond awesome!
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on March 02, 2014, 09:39:38 PM
Most underrated game?  *drum roll* The epicness of lost potential itself: Castlevania 64/LoD.

I know, I know. "That game with the chainsaw Frankenstein and motorcycle skeletons?! Ew, the french is wrong with you?!"  but here me out: think of all the cool, awesome things this game try to do and elements it could have introduced long term to the franchise had the game been better received? 

Vampires as standard enemies, not to mention the actual player can become a vampire themselves and get a special game over.  Seriously, I really wish this mechanic alone would show up again in the series.  Sun and moon cards, along with the time of day actually playing a role with the enemies/challenges faced, just like with Simon's Quest. (Another underrated classic.)  Branching gameplay/storyline characters that aren't just after thoughts or 'modes': they actually have their own agendas, quests, special enemies/bosses, and general purpose for wanting to go to Castlevania, even if it wasn't to destroy Dracula.

In ways, I really wish this game would have succeeded.  I can only imagine where the series might be now if it had. I light a candle ever year for this game, to honor it's memory.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Dominus on March 06, 2014, 07:06:04 AM
Judgement. While the art leaves a lot to be desired, dont think it's a bad game and it certainly doesnt deserve that ratings it got in most sites.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 06, 2014, 06:35:24 PM
Most underrated game?  *drum roll* The epicness of lost potential itself: Castlevania 64/LoD.

I know, I know. "That game with the chainsaw Frankenstein and motorcycle skeletons?! Ew, the french is wrong with you?!"  but here me out: think of all the cool, awesome things this game try to do and elements it could have introduced long term to the franchise had the game been better received? 

Vampires as standard enemies, not to mention the actual player can become a vampire themselves and get a special game over.  Seriously, I really wish this mechanic alone would show up again in the series.  Sun and moon cards, along with the time of day actually playing a role with the enemies/challenges faced, just like with Simon's Quest. (Another underrated classic.)  Branching gameplay/storyline characters that aren't just after thoughts or 'modes': they actually have their own agendas, quests, special enemies/bosses, and general purpose for wanting to go to Castlevania, even if it wasn't to destroy Dracula.

In ways, I really wish this game would have succeeded.  I can only imagine where the series might be now if it had. I light a candle ever year for this game, to honor it's memory.

To be fair, chainsaw Franky was originally a playable character which was tossed aside and split into himself and Henry from LOD.

All it needed was tweaked controls and a rotatable camera, the concepts and level designs are very good imo particularly LOD.

I also noticed that the areas of platforming where platforms disappear would happen more rapidly on hard mode, the enemies were higher in numbers which made for particularly sticky situations i.e. killing 5xbone pillars or outrunning them with Reinhardt while carry dynamite. Those touches are missed in newer iterations of 3Dvania.



Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Viskod on March 19, 2014, 04:53:47 AM
I believe games like Simons Quest, Harmony of Dissonance, and the Nintendo 64 titles aren't underrated but just objectively bad games with poor design.

I really feel bad for the Nintendo 64 Castlevania games, its just so sad to see those games on the same system that has Conkers Bad Fur Day. Its crudeness aside, there's a game with lots of spoken dialogue and good graphics for the system, and lots of content.

And then you have the horribly blocky and awkward Castlevania titles. I wish they could have been better, since I believe they did a great job with Dracula himself in those games, and it had some nice side characters that were never revisited.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: nocturnal_nocturne on March 19, 2014, 09:53:16 PM
first post.

wooot.

underrated classicvanias? less see...

chronicles. definitely chronicles. its brutally difficult (original mode) yet, if you time it right, & are lucky enough to find some friendly herbs, simon can survive.

the spike in difficulty really gets ramped up after the second block (castle courtyard) & from there on out, its white knuckling the whole rest of the way.

what makes chronicles memorable, difficulty aside? well, cool things like "mini bosses" right smack dab in the middle of some of the blocks. (the giant stained glass monster, frankenstein, etc.)

also, lets not forget that OST. its pretty amazing, especially when your PS2 is wired with a digital optical cable, like mine is.

combine these with arranged mode (& all the options therein to make it as difficult, or as easy as one would like) & the re-skinned simon & dracula, & its the next best thing to the original NES castlevania that I have ever played, any gen, any platform.

while the difficulty & relative old age may turn players off to this particular title, I happen to think its the werewolves' scooby snack however.

the only other classicvania I enjoy more (besides this & the first 4) really is rondo of blood.

still praying for some sort of console release of that game. (preferably with subtitles) that would be awesome.

Dracula x just isn't the same, although not too bad of an alternative I suppose.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Anglachel on September 13, 2014, 09:28:51 AM

still praying for some sort of console release of that game. (preferably with subtitles) that would be awesome.

Dracula x just isn't the same, although not too bad of an alternative I suppose.

I'm still waiting too, mate. Not sure why it hasn't been released for current consoles.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: Kaneda on September 20, 2014, 06:48:51 AM
Castlevania Dracula X(X). It's more challenging overall than it's predecessor. That last boss fight is great. I think it's a worthy re-quel to Rondo.

Judgment. It gets a lot of crap. Some deservedly so. I'm not crazy about some of the design work, although I'm not all that fond of Kojima's artistic renditions, either. It's a fun game, though. I find it best to use a Gamecube controller for it.

Vampire Killer. I'd really like to have another game in this style. I've grown fatigued from Metroidvania, but this is a good compromise for me. It's so damn hard, though. The hit detection sucks and the lack of continues makes it impossible to beat the game legitimately, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: zangetsu468 on October 07, 2014, 02:43:13 AM
Castlevania Dracula X(X). It's more challenging overall than it's predecessor. That last boss fight is great. I think it's a worthy re-quel to Rondo.

Thank You... I'm not really fussed what people say, I think it's better than Rondo... It's kind of like Rondo's equivalent to LOZ Quest B (aside from the fact that you can't play as Maria)
I personally think the artwork surpasses Rondo.
Title: Re: Which Castlevania(s) do you feel is/are the most underrated?
Post by: RegalX7 on October 09, 2014, 01:08:59 AM
Curse of Darkness.
I've barely heard anyone say anything good about it. I acknowledge the many faults, namely the terrible level design & wasted story potential... But I had so much fun with the ID system, and it probably has my favorite soundtrack in the series.

Portrait of Ruin, I feel, gets a bad rap for the lame characters & dialogue, but everything else is done great. My personal favorite portable Castlevania.