I have 99.9% faith that this will be better than Lords of Shadow in every way.XD!!!!
[The series is] going to be R-rated as f***
I think at this stage pessimism won't help the series, so I agree with Belmontoya. I will remain unswayed and not jump to conclusions or opinions without at least seeing a trailer for the series.
Interesting if it's 4 shorter episodes, whether they'll introduce or focus one one party member per ep, like a mini arc.
Fingers crossed it's faithful to the series and the original idea.
Not to think too far ahead but it could re-interest old fans while introducing new ones.
Not to be Johnny Raincloud on the people who are saying it won't be like Lords of Shadow, but Lords of Shadow is EXACTLY what you get when you try to make a "srs bizness" Castlevania game "in the vein of Game of Thrones".
I am hoping the artstyle of this series keeps is more goth/grit and doesn't turn into "Anime hour"
But, by that exact same token, look at how this announcement gets the old fans hearts pumping again and we start crawling out of the woodwork like the undead plague ourselves. For better or worse, this may just be the shot in the arm that the fandom needed to live again. I haven't seen the fandom this active since Bloodstained was first announced!
This. I'm kind of doubtful this will boost any awareness of the series in a positive way, but I'm hoping like hell that it does. It would be nice to h ave an enjoyable, noteworthy animated series with the Castlevania name on it.Let's not forget that one of the biggest inspirations for the series, vampire Hunter d, was pretty damn violent. Violence doesn't mean this is going to be torture porn. Violence makes sense in the context, so long as they're not just spraying blood and guts every chance they get.
I'm hoping all the "FUGGINVIOLENCEBRO" talk coming from the producer is just hyperbole. I admittedly enjoy pretty violent stuff, but making this some kind of gorefest would kind of cheapen the CV series, IMO. I mean, as long as it's not an animated version of Riki-Oh, or anything...
Let's not forget that one of the biggest inspirations for the series, vampire Hunter d, was pretty damn violent. Violence doesn't mean this is going to be torture porn. Violence makes sense in the context, so long as they're not just spraying blood and guts every chance they get.
Let's not forget that one of the biggest inspirations for the series, vampire Hunter d, was pretty damn violent. Violence doesn't mean this is going to be torture porn. Violence makes sense in the context, so long as they're not just spraying blood and guts every chance they get.
Also, VHD was violent, but it did not focus on the violence (blood and guts, I mean). It had a defined plot and ups and downs, with violence acting as punctuation. The way Shankar is selling this makes me think he wants us to believe this will be a gorefest. If they do VHD levels of violence, I will be very fine with it. But I don't believe they can pull that off.
The way Shankar is selling this makes me think he wants us to believe this will be a gorefest. If they do VHD levels of violence, I will be very fine with it. But I don't believe they can pull that off.
We have some big talent behidn the project, and Netflix has been killing it with og content. I have faith in this, and CV3 alone has more than enough material to base a show off of. Just glad it's going dark. They boast of a mature rating but let's hope they don't get too carried away to the point its hilarious or hard to take seriously.
EDIT: Ellis towards ditching Grant was the idea for a film in 2007? Like Ellis said he had only 80 min to tell a tale, and trimming the fat can help the film out in the end. With the project now being a netflix show instead of a movie, there'll be more time to flesh out each character and add things that wouldn't work in a single film narrative.
There is plenty of material on the original canon to work with
I want the next two seasons to be about Hector and Juste's furniture collecting hobby.
Holy shit. Adi Shankar just agreed to do an interview with me on the next Bloodstained Community Broadcast. Ask your questions In this thread on the Bloodstained Forums (http://bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/41321/thread). No registration required. Guest logins are fine if you don't wanna stick around.
Holy shit. Adi Shankar just agreed to do an interview with me on the next Bloodstained Community Broadcast. Ask your questions In this thread on the Bloodstained Forums (http://bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/41321/thread). No registration required. Guest logins are fine if you don't wanna stick around.
Holy shit. Adi Shankar just agreed to do an interview with me on the next Bloodstained Community Broadcast. Ask your questions In this thread on the Bloodstained Forums (http://bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/41321/thread). No registration required. Guest logins are fine if you don't wanna stick around.Good stuff! Hopefully we'll get a bit more info on how this will go. Personally, if it ends up being mediocre, it still reminds people that Castlevania is (still) a thing.
The 'Surely Grant's name should be re-translated as Grant Danesti rather than fully ditching him' point has also baffled me as to why it's not been done already even when the project was originally under development ten years ago. For anyone who's actually looked at the real Vlad III's history, the DaNasty -> Danesti is insanely obvious.... I suppose that we will find out one way or the other in the not too distant future.While we're at it, can we have all the mistranslated names retranslated? Belnades, Lecarde, et cetera.
Personally, if it ends up being mediocre, it still reminds people that Castlevania is (still) a thing.
He didn't outright ditch Grant. He just thought Grant was too minor to introduce on the first movie (and offered a number of crap excuse to back this up). I certainly think he will appear on this Netflix show, but guess what? It'll have another season planned for 2018, with the one coming out now having four 30 minutes-long episodes.
I don't wanna wait until 2018 to see Grant, to be fairly honest to you. In fact I don't want to see tasteless humor, nor Gresit bishop, nor gore for gore's sake, nor Sypha being anything but a witch sent by the Church, nor Trevor "using his superior fighting skills" (whatever the hell this means) to defeat Cyclops inside some underground ruins (is it so hard to make it into a creepy-ass forest?). I don't want this bullshit, and I'm afraid this is exactly the bullshit we will get.
There is plenty of material on the original canon to work with and the only excuse for not adapting this material is not having done enough research.
We got a poster, from Adi Shankar's facebook page:
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Well it's DEFINITELY got the mood down!
We got a poster, from Adi Shankar's facebook page:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIEaKc7Z.jpg&hash=9315987d42c5107f3f607b46d4e62748)
Well it's DEFINITELY got the mood down!
For me it looks too forced, too "metal". While the obvious bizarre structure conveys the "you will not want to be here, man" feeling, and while it's a good thing that this design draws parallels with the CVIII castle in overall disposition of stuff, it looks to me that someone didn't get the part where Dracula was supposed to be living PEACEFULLY amongst humans, in a castle that holds a façade of a "totally normal, albeit a bit too large, castle", until Dracula lost his mind. You can't be very peaceful when you live on the Obviously Evil Castle, can you?
From what I gather, and this comes a lot from personal opinion based on what I have perceived on the series mind you, the castle doesn't LOOK obviously eldritch from the outside. It's only when you squint that you start noticing the absurd stuff from the outside -- in special Dracula's room hanging on nothing but a stairway. The devil is on the details, and this poster is too on-your-face, I think.
We don't know much about the plot, so we I don't have much context or know if the castle will like transform or something, or if Dracula will shape up this evil castle when he goes mad. But this looks like somewhere where Bowser would live in, not Dracula.
Also, this is just a feeling I have, but I think the idea of Dracula living in such a structure (it's obviously supposed to convey a sense of 'evilness' ) clashes with how Dracula was like as a person before Lisa's death. It's weird to picture Dracula being with a woman like Lisa (who is described as being like the Virgin Mary) while living, as plottwist put it, in Bowser's Castle. Dracula first has to complete his transformation into the main antagonist before you put him into such an environment. However, I think this part of a larger problem: the idea that Dracula should assume the mantle of a generic evil overlord as quickly as possible after Lament of Innocence. However, doing so completely ruins his romance with Lisa and makes their relationship nonsensical.
I wonder how many people would still be singing that tune if they made the castle out of cotton candy and decked out with pink and blue neon lights and all the monsters are Rod Stewart in a speedo and every stage theme is "Shadow Dancing", and Dracula is Gary Busey in a cape sewn from the hairs off of Sean Connery's chest.I would buy that game TWICE!
I wonder how many people would still be singing that tune if they made the castle out of cotton candy and decked out with pink and blue neon lights and all the monsters are Rod Stewart in a speedo and every stage theme is "Shadow Dancing", and Dracula is Gary Busey in a cape sewn from the hairs off of Sean Connery's chest.
I mean, if "many incarnations" counts as a valid justification for otherwise nonsensical or simply generic designs, then anything goes and literally no one has any right to complain, right?
It's Dracula's castle, not Rl'yeh.Then why is Cthulhu in it?
Nobody wants the other 30 years of material in the show, dude.
Also, this is just a feeling I have, but I think the idea of Dracula living in such a structure (it's obviously supposed to convey a sense of 'evilness' ) clashes with how Dracula was like as a person before Lisa's death.
I went and captured many forms of the castle (http://imgur.com/a/hL0Xt) to see if I'm not being a dick for no reason. Conclusion: I'm pretty sure I'm not.
See, the castle looks mostly normal except for specific details -- it generally has there Dracula's tower sustained over nothing, and overly long bridges. Sometimes very tall towers, sometimes it's slightly too big to be a believable castle. Amongst the most normal ones, the most egregious example is Chronicles' version, and even so it doesn't look as incredibly eldritch, which a lot of sustenance to hold the suspended part.
To say there AREN'T instances of overly bizarre forms at all is incorrect: I've captured The Adventure's and Belmont's Revenge's castles. One looks like an alien hive, the other looks like a futuristic castle.
But c'mon, man... These are two examples against many others of the castle NOT looking like Sauron's Summer Abode. Though I agree it doesn't look bad from the artistic standpoint, this one on the poster is looking too stereotypically evil for my tastes and sending me the wrong message.
The castle is generally elegant before being terrifying. As Dracula's description says -- he is cruel, but values elegance. And this is what is not selling the poster to me.
Cv3 marks a very important point in Dracula's story, one whereupon he finally goes all out against humanity. The factors that lead to this point are indeed from other parts of the canon and rightly should not be ignored if the studio plans on having a flushed out backstory. The others are completely Justified in their concerns involving this.
Cv3 might not need to include these elements for its own story to work, but as we all know, television thrives on storytelling, and as such excluding such important elements to the story at large would not be a wise move.
Perhaps they intend to use some of these elements, perhaps they don't. We have no idea at present. What we do know is the existing details about the series in conjunction with the teaser image they have released--a teaser image which, accounting for the simple fact that we have only our own devices and knowledge to fill in the gaps we currently do not know, does not stack up with what we do. The castle design they have released, assuming it is finalized and permanent and is intended to be used in the final show, seems very out of place in regards to all known aspects of the series and its depiction of the true Castle. As a direct result, those of us with deep-rooted involvement with the canon are currently left only to assume that the design is being done for cool points alone. Combine this with other existing precedents such as the Abomination that is the Mega Man cartoon and you have a perfect recipe for concern.
You may quote everybody all day in any number of attempts to throw a wrench into what I am saying, but the simple fact of the matter is there is far more behind this mindset then simply being pissy the design is it to our tastes. If one major aesthetic facet appears to have been significantly altered for the sake of looking cool, then what else is on that chopping block? Shore, we don't know one way or the other right now, but as I've mentioned we currently can only fill in the gaps with what information we have and know, and that is precisely what several of us are doing.
And we don't like where are inferences seemed to lead. We could be wrong, we could be right, but at the end of the day we can only work with what we have.
And right now what we have does not bode well for some of us, nothing more and nothing less. If we are guilty of nitpicking too much, then so too are some of you guilty for anatgonizing us for doing so. Our thoughts and perspectives are not lesser in quality simply because they do not align with your own.
PostScript: haha wow my phone's voice to text really fucked this one up didn't it sorry for a couple of those
This is a teaser poster. A. TEASER. POSTER.
Some people here are working really hard to get themselves worked up over this.
I know we all have our own beloved head canon, our own beloved filter for seeing the series. But the truth is nothing we've seen so far indicates anything too far flung from what we should expect from a Castlevania adaptation.
My recommendation until we see more is for people to calm down, and don't try to pick every new scrap of info apart to try and figure out where it's going wrong.
"omg why would Virgin Mary-like Lisa live in that castle" She married a bloodsucking killer omg.
"they change it accordingly before the show comes out" hahaha
Afaik Dracula was already a vampire. He may have been a "nice" vampire but i doubr he was Edward Cullen-ing it and using deers or whatever.
Yes. Doesn't change the fact between a vampire and living in an gravity defying castle the former is the most worrying one.
Lisa: "I can love a bloodsucker...but i could never live in a weird looking castle, thats too much"
Kinda feeling cautious about this. On the one hand, just the fact that we're getting anything Castlevania related at all is wonderful...but the way it's being described makes me raise an eyebrow. More so since this still based on Castlevania 3 (my favorite game in the series).
It really just depends on the presentation, so I'll reserve further judgement until we see something. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't kinda happy about this happening at all though.
This idea some people haven of it being an ordinary pretty castle is just head canon.
but he was certainly not just a peaceful benevolent vampire king.
Plottwist has a point re: Castlevania's physiognomy.
Ignore this article's text but have a look at the image comparison at the bottom http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/24/netflixs-castlevania-poster-shows-draculas-classically-bizarre-castle (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/24/netflixs-castlevania-poster-shows-draculas-classically-bizarre-castle)
What they got right was the throne room, but if we're staying true to CVIII I almost want to delete the bottom half of the castle on the poster.
I'm also not following why that tower to the left of the moon has to be there, there's clearly a throne room at the very top of the castle. The more I look at the castle's build (particularly the lower half) it's starting to look the Dracula's Castle from the Van Helsing film.
Sotn's Manga adaptation is an example where the artwork has stayed more true to the game:
Manga: http://img12.deviantart.net/b75f/i/2015/125/5/3/castlevania_sotn_manga__eng__8_by_diobrando-d1pfn0v.jpg (http://img12.deviantart.net/b75f/i/2015/125/5/3/castlevania_sotn_manga__eng__8_by_diobrando-d1pfn0v.jpg)
Game: http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/multi/Masters/protogem/SOTN_1.jpg (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/multi/Masters/protogem/SOTN_1.jpg)
Game (3d cutscene): http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/castle.jpg (http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/castle.jpg)
I don't care what IGA had to say about anything. I love IGA as much as the next guy but he had nothing to do with Draculas Curse.
Also Dracula is not some magnificently crafted villain. He's as stereotypically evil as a villain can get. He was created as a five second explanation to explain why you're breaking into a castle killing monsters.
You know that part when you mention IGA? That's the part I obviously was referring to.
Also what goalpost did I move? You are so salty. It's embarrassing to watch.
No wonder the fan base is never pleased. They want to see the same shit repeat over and over for all eternity.
They want the Castlevania brand to follow ancient manuals and interviews nobody's read in decades.
I really don't have the will to argue this to the end. And you're entitled to your own opinion.
Instead I found people bitching about how the castle isn't the same as it was 30 years ago. If this is how the community reacts to a minor change such as that... I really don't want to see what the reaction will be to something more important like story or character designs. I guess I will go back to Reddit or the Bloodstained forums.
So you found three people here saying they dislike (and not outright "hate") the design, and you use that as a sample "for the community"?
It's not even a good sample for the Castlevania Dungeon community, dude!
Well, your vision is narrow, then. This is not really important, but for the sake of this specific discussion, I actually have access to 10,000 Castlevania fans at once, and the overwhelming majority likes this, to the point of thinking the castle looks similar to SotN's design (yeah, seriously). With all due respect, I think my sample of "the community" is better than yours, and not even this allows me to make inferences about "the community".
Maybe it'll be a DrWho "Bigger on the Inside" or something, I don't know.
Observe: https://instagram.com/p/BRANnzlFP8f/
I prefer this one. It has the eerie feeling down.
I think with some more adequate scaling, the castle could've looked more "complete" while still retaining a classic Castlevania feel (eerie) rather than a slasher film ost cover.
Observe: https://instagram.com/p/BRANnzlFP8f/ (https://instagram.com/p/BRANnzlFP8f/)
Thanks Plottwist. I like your concept too. I'd even say if you deleted the 1/3 portion of the castle to the right hand side and retained the rest, that would be pretty much spot on imo.
It would also illustrate that there's an entry drawbridge and castle keep (left) ad crossing that bridge takes you into the bulk of the castle (right, underneath the blood moon.)
The top of the castle and the throne room the artist basically nailed, it's the fluff underneath which seems "eroded" that just wasn't working for me. That and what appeared to be an additional throneroom.
Also liked your concept. I went and did my own, too:
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Of course, it looks like a hack job and you can see the repeating texture everywhere. The point though was to show what I meant: Bulkier base, MANY less floating towers, keeping only one: Dracula's (like, the original appears to have SIX) and a more "compressed", shorter appearance. Also made the stairway to Dracula shorter, bringing his tower more next to the main tower. Kept the overly long bridges, though I'd still remove one of them maybe (the front one).
Doing this I realized that part of my issue with the original poster is that the castle looks too much like a "tower", too tall and too slim, with too much negative space, and not much like a fortress. All the hanging towers and excess of bridges contribute to enhancing the "obviously evil" look.
This is not a genius job, this reflects MY OPINION only, and my intention is just to illustrate better what I mean, and not "do better than the person doing this".
The Castle needs more Castle.
Do you know what the original poster passingly reminds me of? This:
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But with a great deal more hanging towers.
Man I love me some Shovel Knight
good lord all this complaining over the castle's new design. i'd hate to have been around when the adventure came out.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U_VkhNOMj2U/hqdefault.jpg)
"what even is this shit? it looks like someone threw together some turds and gave it bridges that don't even go anywhere!"
Just because an old castle design looks bad doesn't mean the design from this series is above critism. Besides, I actually like that design. It reminds me of Vampire Hunter D's castle.
Just because an old castle design looks bad doesn't mean the design from this series is above critism.
Which one, though?
I'm assuming Lee's, since that's the OG one. I don't remember ifDemon DeathchaseBloodlust featured any castles, though, and I can't recall either how far along the manga adaptation is.
never actually said anything about that, but ok then if that's how one takes satire over said criticisms.
You didn't outright say so in your post but you were definitely using a whataboutism in order to deflect criticism. Even if you were just joking, that's the underling impression your post gave me.fair enough, and in retrospect, yeah it's... idk i wasn't intending to deflect criticism, just disagreeing in a joking, sarcastic manner. i do understand the issues people would have with the castle's design from an old cannon nut perspective and/or how animated adaptions miss the mark almost always when it comes to portraying it's source material. but i'm a fan of making things over the top insane, so a metal-tastic demon castle with floating towers is right up my alley and so i wouldn't think dracula living in something like that wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility.
good lord all this complaining over the castle's new design. i'd hate to have been around when the adventure came out.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U_VkhNOMj2U/hqdefault.jpg)
"what even is this shit? it looks like someone threw together some turds and gave it bridges that don't even go anywhere!"
That's actually the problem with adapting Castlevania. The things that make it an enjoyable game don't translate correctly to film or prose. Castlevania's excellence is derived principly from things that are rather intrinsic to gaming as a medium, and any adaptation made without them doesn't feel right but no adaptation will ever come close to hitting them on the nose either. There are many ways to make a movie, book, or series that is AKIN to Castlevania, but I feel Castlevania itself as a defined entity is intrinsically unadaptable imo.
I honestly think you guys are way off, Castlevania, especially Dracula's Curse, is an extremely adaptable series. It has a story with a few broad strokes, but ample room for interpritation, a great base to build on left open enough to allow for artistic license. It relies heavily on classic story elements, and lends itself very well to heavy action, family drama, gothic horror tropes, and has a cast of very interesting but far from fleshed out characters. Really it's a dream to whoever is making it, the plot of cv3 is like a very vague outline of a very interesting story, with great creatures, characters, and broad strokes. It really seems almost ready made for this kind of thing. Now that's not to say that it couldn't be done very poorly, but even if it is that doesn't take away from the fact that it is a very adaptable game/story. Cv1 has too little to work with, SoTN has a smidge too much, Cv3 is just right.
See I understand what you're saying, in terms of a broad and overarching story they might not botch it (though potentially leaving out Grant may prove otherwise). However, COD gave gamers more insight into Trevor's character; whereas in 8bit times we had no idea what type of personality Simon, Trevor, Grant, Sypha, etc had. At least in the game's English version, COD portrays Trevor as hot-headed and somewhat arrogant upon his first meeting with Hector. He exclaims he doesn't require help or intervention from Hector (this is of course until things develop later in the story). It's not typically what one would expect from a "hero", but it gives the character of Trevor different facets. (This is one thing I have to actually praise MoF for getting right; Trevor in general - prior to Trevorcard - his character was spot on).
And can we drop the Grant thing already? They told us literally a decade ago that he will be in it, just not in the first 3rd.
I never did like how Trevor's attitude was presented in CoD (one of the reasons I'm not fond of the game's story). Considering Trevor's family background, what he was trained for, his mission, willingly accepting help from Alucard, Grant, and Sypha, it just doesn't make sense to have him come off as arrogant.
He should have had more wisdom then that. Whenever I was playing CVIII I never, ever saw Trevor as he was shown up in CoD. They're almost like two different people..... That simply did not happen to him to bring about any sort of ego-inflated mindset.
He could have also thought Hector was just another enemy, like Isaac. His attitude also seems to generally match his fighting style, fierce and unrelenting.
Good to know you consider people who value quality storytelling to give a story's action more weight as "mindless sheep."
You may kindly go make sweet passionate love a cactus, good sir.
but yea due to how the idiots in the TV industry tells stories, now the mainstream are mindless sheep that are dependant on shows/movies force feeding them explanations and reasons for everything, as well as trivial flashbacks and soap operish nonsense that bloat stories, adventure stories in particular, with unnecessary hoopla.
I never did like how Trevor's attitude was presented in CoD (one of the reasons I'm not fond of the game's story). Considering Trevor's family background, what he was trained for, his mission, willingly accepting help from Alucard, Grant, and Sypha, it just doesn't make sense to have him come off as arrogant. He should have had more wisdom then that. Whenever I was playing CVIII I never, ever saw Trevor as he was shown up in CoD. They're almost like two different people. If he was acting out of concern for Hector's safety then that should have been handled differently. Trevor's not the type of hero who fell from grace. That simply did not happen to him to bring about any sort of ego-inflated mindset.
What exactly is the vision you have of Trevor?
A warrior who has a job to do, and has no time for self-indulgence of the arrogant nature. Because he knows that humanity's very existence is at stake (no pun intended) should he falter in the slightest. His parents would have taught him better then to submit to arrogance. Ego is not the way of a Vampire Hunter, and we can look at Reinhardt as an example of this as he mentions to Rose about how his father taught him to never attack the weak. A man who's arrogant would not care for such a small yet equally, and very important life lesson. If Trevor was arrogant then I don't see him accepting help from Grant (a man with vengeance in his heart), Sypha (a Witch), or Alucard (the very son of humanity's most hated enemy). It doesn't make a whole lot of sense in that regard. A man who's egotistical would brush their offers of aid aside and boast that he can defeat Dracula without anyone's help (which he could since he's a Belmont and it is his destiny), but Canon-wise/story-wise it doesn't happen that way.