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Title: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: XombieMike on February 08, 2017, 10:46:10 AM
Here is an article (https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/arts/animating-guru-hirsh-is-back-with-new-company-netflix-project/article33942446/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile) talking about an animated Castlevania Netflix show. I don't know if this is related to the Adi Shankar announcement for something similar last year. (https://www.facebook.com/theadishankarbrand/posts/1662553890644905)

Wow Unlimited Media seems more aimed at children, and Adi Shankar's project was supposed to be super violent. So... I guess we will see as news continues to arrive. Please share anything you find!
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Post by: AlexCalvo on February 08, 2017, 11:29:08 AM
It's the same project.  "written by Warren Ellis"
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Sindra on February 08, 2017, 01:37:30 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/netflix-has-announced-a-castlevania-tv-show-for-2017-1792131221 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/netflix-has-announced-a-castlevania-tv-show-for-2017-1792131221)

Says right there it's the same thing Shankar referenced in that tweet way back then.

I guess yay for something Castlevania not being sunk into development hell? o_O
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: KaZudra on February 08, 2017, 01:58:26 PM
Still, Though we might get sonic Boom tier games, we might still get game tie-ins.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Eric Roman on February 08, 2017, 02:07:15 PM
Will the CastleVania Fandom finally get a globally accessible work of art it can take pride in?  TUNE IN NEXT TIME ON CASTLEVANIA BLUEBALL Z!!!
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Chernabogue on February 08, 2017, 02:13:52 PM
The official CV Facebook page shared it.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dremn on February 08, 2017, 03:51:07 PM
If it's only 4 episodes, I expect a hefty budget and good animation poured into each one

We need a visual with designs asap...
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: uzo on February 08, 2017, 04:11:18 PM
Goat-Flix

The goat is the metaphor for Castlevania, getting fucked in the ass.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Belmontoya on February 08, 2017, 04:23:56 PM
There is the potential that this could be how they reboot the series, hopefully the right way.

The animated series could very well be setting up the next game.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Guy Belmont on February 08, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
The art and story have to be top grade, none of this lazy adventure time, Steven universe, style  character designs,
Like Young justice's writing   and designs, both solid and fantastic to watch, they crafted

the last thing anyone who  Really understand CV, what to see is some "HIP" "FRESH" take on CV, were they all look like stick people, with no faces. And the story's just a  mangled piece of self aware crap, for "todays" hipsters.

CV is something that I hold very dear to me, and we what to see it get the respect it deserves, as any true fan doesn't   what to see some guy's take on it who has  no real Love for CV.

 However all that being said, I'll keep an open mind. As CV  really needs the life pumped back in to it, and this could be really helpful, BUT they should really cater to the Fans none of this we what new fans,

NO the ones who have loved it for years, played all the games over and over. We what to see the world of CV come to life on in this show, the way it was meant to. In other Words they need to handle it REALLY carefully.

And after seeing what he said "it will flip the vampire sub-genre on its head"
Does have me a little worried.
But  only time will tell. Lets hope that its good, really good and if it does well then Konami may thinking about  making the games again, or selling the rights to someone that will.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: piscesdreams on February 08, 2017, 07:46:46 PM
I have 99.9% faith that this will be better than Lords of Shadow in every way.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Aridale on February 08, 2017, 07:48:58 PM
I just saw this and was wondering if itd found its way here yet. Im not too hopeful for it not sucking
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Eric Roman on February 08, 2017, 08:02:01 PM
I have 99.9% faith that this will be better than Lords of Shadow in every way.
XD!!!!
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: The Puritan on February 08, 2017, 08:14:39 PM
I'm in this for the non-Pachinko tie-in games. If we get non-Pachinko tie-in games.

No, I haven't learned my lesson yet.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 08, 2017, 08:49:20 PM
I still have zero faith. Sorry. I learned my lessons about being hopeful for good video game multimedia projects decades ago. Although the Warcraft and Assassin's Creed films were both remarkably faithful to their source material, so I suppose there IS a slight chance this could be good. Emphasis on slight.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 09, 2017, 01:27:51 AM
Why am I getting a bad feeling about this....  :(
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Post by: knightmere on February 09, 2017, 05:55:00 AM
I'm interested in this!
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 09, 2017, 10:34:11 AM
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[The series is] going to be R-rated as f***

The cringe continues.

Anyway, I hope they get the character designs right. The design from that promotional art in which Trevor holds a cross looks fine to me but I hope they don't use Alucard's CV3 look.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dia on February 09, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
I'll take something over nothing, but I think it's still too early to make any real judgment calls.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 09, 2017, 12:14:15 PM
The fact that Shankar refers to this as "r rated as f**k" and "very much Castlevania done in the vein of Game of Thrones" is all my worst nightmares come to life.

No project described that way has ever been good in the end.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Kamirine on February 09, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
Kinda feeling cautious about this.  On the one hand, just the fact that we're getting anything Castlevania related at all is wonderful...but the way it's being described makes me raise an eyebrow.  More so since this still based on Castlevania 3 (my favorite game in the series).

It really just depends on the presentation, so I'll reserve further judgement until we see something.  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't kinda happy about this happening at all though. 
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 09, 2017, 01:50:12 PM
"very much Castlevania done in the vein of Game of Thrones"

The guy throws so much bullshit buzzwords around we can barely understand what this even means at all.

I am at a zero faith state. Erotic Violence is, IMO, the lowest point the series ever reached. I don't think it will go below this, but I'm also so sure this won't do the story justice that I won't even be disappointed if this happens.

If it sounds like I'm almost wishing this to fail, that's because I understand that Shankar and Ellis can throw some insanely retarded stuff at the general people, and have they swallow it as if it were candy. And I'm afraid this will be the case here.

If the script hasn't changed, then they will say bullshit like "Sypha has a ~grandfather~ and is a ~Speaker~" and will be praised for this crap. Forget Sypha acting in disguise or the hypocrisy of the Church of hunting witches while it has one serving under them.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 09, 2017, 02:37:42 PM
While I'm hoping that it turns out well, I'm feeling very cautious about this.  I'm planning to reserve judgement on it until more info is out, maybe even wait until it's actually out.  The concept art for the Warren Ellis project years ago was promising, with Alucard's design drawing more from his SotN onwards look rather than his original appearance in CVIII (i.e pretty looks and long flowing white-blonde hair).  It could go either way though, and either be amazing, or be as bad as we fear.  We will see later this year.  I did find this article as well: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/09/first-time-warren-ellis-wrote-castlevania-animation-ten-years-ago/. (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/09/first-time-warren-ellis-wrote-castlevania-animation-ten-years-ago/.)


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Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Belmontoya on February 09, 2017, 02:58:32 PM
Let's remember that these guys are taking on a series with a divided and bitter fan base and that takes guts.

I agree that when you speculate there are things to wonder about. But I for one am choosing to just take a deep breath and save my judgements or concerns until we see it.

I just don't have the energy to get riled up about sketchy comments or anything like that. It's very easy to say the wrong thing even when your heart is in the right place.

I'm going to give it a fair and unbiased chance.
It won't be LOS. We know that.

I'll always be an optimist for the future of CV.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 09, 2017, 04:16:47 PM
I think at this stage pessimism won't help the series, so I agree with Belmontoya. I will remain unswayed and not jump to conclusions or opinions without at least seeing a trailer for the series. 

Interesting if it's 4 shorter episodes, whether they'll introduce or focus one one party member per ep, like a mini arc.

Fingers crossed it's faithful to the series and the original idea.

Not to think too far ahead but it could re-interest old fans while introducing new ones.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 09, 2017, 04:23:43 PM
I think at this stage pessimism won't help the series, so I agree with Belmontoya. I will remain unswayed and not jump to conclusions or opinions without at least seeing a trailer for the series. 

Interesting if it's 4 shorter episodes, whether they'll introduce or focus one one party member per ep, like a mini arc.

Fingers crossed it's faithful to the series and the original idea.

Not to think too far ahead but it could re-interest old fans while introducing new ones.

Let's hope so.  Let's hope so. :) 
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 09, 2017, 08:01:19 PM
Not to be Johnny Raincloud on the people who are saying it won't be like Lords of Shadow, but Lords of Shadow is EXACTLY what you get when you try to make a "srs bizness" Castlevania game "in the vein of Game of Thrones".

What Shankar has described sounds more or less EXACTLY like Lords of Shadow to me at this rate. We need a trailer, and stat, so we can get more info beyond his very vague but worrying word choices.

But, by that exact same token, look at how this announcement gets the old fans hearts pumping again and we start crawling out of the woodwork like the undead plague ourselves. For better or worse, this may just be the shot in the arm that the fandom needed to live again. I haven't seen the fandom this active since Bloodstained was first announced!
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 09, 2017, 08:35:07 PM
Not to be Johnny Raincloud on the people who are saying it won't be like Lords of Shadow, but Lords of Shadow is EXACTLY what you get when you try to make a "srs bizness" Castlevania game "in the vein of Game of Thrones".

Well LOTR>>>GOT imho. It was made to feel like ti had an expansive unknown world crawling with creatures. It succeeded to this extent.

I am hoping the artstyle of this series keeps is more goth/grit and doesn't turn into "Anime hour"
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 09, 2017, 08:55:14 PM
I am hoping the artstyle of this series keeps is more goth/grit and doesn't turn into "Anime hour"

Less grit, more goth. More camp too, as that's been a consistent staple of Castlevania. There's always been something of a campy silliness to most of the titles, which even the first Lords of Shadow had via the Chupacabras. Even Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness, two of the darkest entries in the series for a LONG TIME both visually and thematically (both dealing very heavily with themes of self-destructive rage and the seeking of vengeance) didn't skimp on the camp humor.

As Joss Whedon taught so well: "Make it dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke."
The older entries knew this, and we got some great moments out of it, even if it's just a hilariously anachronistic and out of place food item with a silly flavor text.

Fortunately, Warren Ellis is behind some of the best writing Iron Man and Spider Man ever got, so there's some serious potential for this.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: JR on February 10, 2017, 03:18:40 AM

But, by that exact same token, look at how this announcement gets the old fans hearts pumping again and we start crawling out of the woodwork like the undead plague ourselves. For better or worse, this may just be the shot in the arm that the fandom needed to live again. I haven't seen the fandom this active since Bloodstained was first announced!

This. I'm kind of doubtful this will boost any awareness of the series in a positive way, but I'm hoping like hell that it does. It would be nice to have an enjoyable, noteworthy animated series with the Castlevania name on it.

I'm hoping all the "FUGGINVIOLENCEBRO" talk coming from the producer is just hyperbole. I admittedly enjoy pretty violent stuff, but making this some kind of gorefest would kind of cheapen the CV series, IMO. I mean, as long as it's not an animated version of Riki-Oh, or anything...
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: MooMilk on February 10, 2017, 03:57:56 AM
I didn't like the directors take on Power rangers, but some castlevania is better than none. I just hope the castlevania series isn't as boring as the power rangers fan film was.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: AlexCalvo on February 10, 2017, 04:27:20 AM
This. I'm kind of doubtful this will boost any awareness of the series in a positive way, but I'm hoping like hell that it does. It would be nice to h ave an enjoyable, noteworthy animated series with the Castlevania name on it.

I'm hoping all the "FUGGINVIOLENCEBRO" talk coming from the producer is just hyperbole. I admittedly enjoy pretty violent stuff, but making this some kind of gorefest would kind of cheapen the CV series, IMO. I mean, as long as it's not an animated version of Riki-Oh, or anything...
Let's not forget that one of the biggest inspirations for the series, vampire Hunter d, was pretty damn violent.  Violence doesn't mean this is going to be torture porn.  Violence makes sense in the context, so long as they're not just spraying blood and guts every chance they get.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 10, 2017, 07:51:57 AM
My current feelings towards this project comes down to this: I really don't trust Warren Ellis or Adi Shankar but I do trust IGA.

IGA made Ellis go through five drafts of the premise and three of the full outline (this was mentioned on his blog). What I'm really hoping is this case is that the summary of the movie that was on those slides is one of the earlier versions of the premise. Because that sounded absolutely awful as a Castlevania movie, let alone as an adaptation of CVIII. Hopefully IGA looked at it and proceeded to revise the hell out of it.   
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 10, 2017, 11:30:36 AM
Let's not forget that one of the biggest inspirations for the series, vampire Hunter d, was pretty damn violent.  Violence doesn't mean this is going to be torture porn.  Violence makes sense in the context, so long as they're not just spraying blood and guts every chance they get.

This. I think as bloody as I would see it go would be roughly where the anime adaptation of Dante's Inferno (the game) landed: yes, it's violent, yes, it's adult, but it was all in the spirit of the game they were adapting. It was never so violent that it just felt gratuitous. It was just the right level.

Also: watch that movie again and notice that every time a new animation studio takes over, Beatrice's boobs get bigger. lol
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 10, 2017, 12:20:45 PM
Let's not forget that one of the biggest inspirations for the series, vampire Hunter d, was pretty damn violent.  Violence doesn't mean this is going to be torture porn.  Violence makes sense in the context, so long as they're not just spraying blood and guts every chance they get.

My understanding is that Castlevania didn't draw from VHD originally.

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Since we're talking Castlevania III, and CVIII is a game from the "original series", I don't think VHD is a excuse here.

Also, VHD was violent, but it did not focus on the violence (blood and guts, I mean). It had a defined plot and ups and downs, with violence acting as punctuation. The way Shankar is selling this makes me think he wants us to believe this will be a gorefest. If they do VHD levels of violence, I will be very fine with it. But I don't believe they can pull that off.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 10, 2017, 12:37:04 PM

Also, VHD was violent, but it did not focus on the violence (blood and guts, I mean). It had a defined plot and ups and downs, with violence acting as punctuation. The way Shankar is selling this makes me think he wants us to believe this will be a gorefest. If they do VHD levels of violence, I will be very fine with it. But I don't believe they can pull that off.

Likewise.  VHD to me had about the right level of gore and violence, that fitted in well with the setting and the plot.  Being violent and gorey for the sake of it isn't so fine.  I'm just relieved that from the lok of things atm that they're not dumming it down to be a kids show.  We don't need more of obnoxious-skateboarder-teenage Alucard.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 10, 2017, 02:34:47 PM
Also, this kinda bullshit:

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This is the incredible Warren Ellis giving four or five completelly bullshit reasons to remove Grant, on top of getting three or four more storyline elements wrong.

-Grant is not a pirate. He's a Wallachian rebel.
-Grant is not "Danasty" nor "Dinesti" but "Danesti". With this tidbit alone there is enough plot about warring families to last the entire movie. For someone who did an "extensive study on Vlad Tepes", as Ellis claimed on another post, it's interesting to see him ignore Grant's connection with a family Dracula had ties with and decide to not adapt that.
-Grant shouldn't have to be "shoehorned" into the plot because HE IS ONE OF THE PROTAGONISTS. Ellis shoehorned his goddamn bishop of Gresit nobody gives a flying fuck about to tell me there is no room for Grant?
-Acts as if there is not enough story on the original plot when there is actually one for a two-hour movie easily. That's what happens when you do zero research on the original material.
-No, you can't call your inexpertise "comedy".

On top of other one million useless stuff he added about Speakers and about Alucard getting fucked in the ass on the first act to then complain that Grant has no space on the story. Maybe he'd have some if Ellis weren't more preoccupied with goat-fucking-philosophy scenes.

"Plot you're calling Ellis inexperient?"

I'm calling out Ellis on his past inexperience with Castlevania. In one of the comments he even adds he has an interest in Castlevania. You can't put someone who has an interest on the property to write a big-screen movie about this property. Either this person eats and breathes the property, or they can get the fuck out. And Ellis has shown at the time of this blog post that his knowledge comes from what some Wikipedia article told him.

To be fair to Ellis, the project was envisioned as a trilogy. The "first movie" ended as they discovered Alucard's tomb, and not at the battle with Dracula. Thing is: There is absolutelly no reason to make this story into a trilogy. If they were not SO EAGER to make trilogies, they'd actually not have to fill the plot with a bunch of completelly inane crap and remove Grant from the first movie ("when he does turn up"). It's more about the complete lack of respect to the series than about the removal of Grant.

I sure hope this project as it stands NOW is good and Ellis has evolved the script into something superior (preferably with Grant in it), because the one he had was total horseshit, and it's truly astounting to me that Koji "Grant is important enough to be on Judgment" Igarashi approved of it.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: JR on February 10, 2017, 03:01:25 PM
The way Shankar is selling this makes me think he wants us to believe this will be a gorefest. If they do VHD levels of violence, I will be very fine with it. But I don't believe they can pull that off.

Exactly. I'm not opposed to it being violent, but Shankar's comments are making me wonder whether the thing will have ham-fisted levels of gore in it for its own sake.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 10, 2017, 03:13:03 PM
The 'Surely Grant's name should be re-translated as Grant Danesti rather than fully ditching him' point has also baffled me as to why it's not been done already even when the project was originally under development ten years ago.  For anyone who's actually looked at the real Vlad III's history, the DaNasty -> Danesti is insanely obvious....  I suppose that we will find out one way or the other in the not too distant future.
 
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 10, 2017, 03:29:52 PM
As plottwist points out, based on the information we were given, there are lot of warning signs. I really hope stupid mistakes like Grant being a pirate were things IGA commented on. Another thing I really dislike is the decision to depict  everyone affliated with the church as selfish and corrupt.  They basically act as minor villains. Aside from the fact that church bashing has become a really tired trope by itself, I don't think  depicting the church in that way fits Castlevania. In fact, it's the complete opposite of how they act in CVIII. They seem to be well-willing and ready to take action against Dracula, but unfortunately are not a match for him. In Ellis's version it seems like they're acting against the protagonists instead of aiding them. I think that's a really bad adaptation decision.   
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 10, 2017, 04:23:06 PM
This whole Grant thing reminds of fans constantly getting stuff wrong in other series. Classic example in the fgc is they call Ryu, Ken and Akuma shoto fighters.. "Shotokan" karate is a form of karate but it's not theirs. They practice Ansatsuken (Assassin's Fist) with the killing component removed. It's obviously not real, like how Mishima style Zaibatsu isn't real, but everyone calls them "Shoto's". It's fucking stupid.. God people's stupidity  pisses me off sometimes..

They should tell this guy to put Grant in or fuck off home.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Crying Freeman on February 10, 2017, 05:03:06 PM
We have some big talent behidn the project, and Netflix has been killing it with og content. I have faith in this, and CV3 alone has more than enough material to base a show off of. Just glad it's going dark. They boast of a mature rating but let's hope they don't get too carried away to the point its hilarious or hard to take seriously.

EDIT: Ellis towards ditching Grant was the idea for a film in 2007? Like Ellis said he had only 80 min to tell a tale, and trimming the fat can help the film out in the end. With the project now being a netflix show instead of a movie, there'll be more time to flesh out each character and add things that wouldn't work in a single film narrative.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 10, 2017, 06:08:22 PM
We have some big talent behidn the project, and Netflix has been killing it with og content. I have faith in this, and CV3 alone has more than enough material to base a show off of. Just glad it's going dark. They boast of a mature rating but let's hope they don't get too carried away to the point its hilarious or hard to take seriously.

EDIT: Ellis towards ditching Grant was the idea for a film in 2007? Like Ellis said he had only 80 min to tell a tale, and trimming the fat can help the film out in the end. With the project now being a netflix show instead of a movie, there'll be more time to flesh out each character and add things that wouldn't work in a single film narrative.

He didn't outright ditch Grant. He just thought Grant was too minor to introduce on the first movie (and offered a number of crap excuse to back this up). I certainly think he will appear on this Netflix show, but guess what? It'll have another season planned for 2018, with the one coming out now having four 30 minutes-long episodes.

I don't wanna wait until 2018 to see Grant, to be fairly honest to you. In fact I don't want to see tasteless humor, nor Gresit bishop, nor gore for gore's sake, nor Sypha being anything but a witch sent by the Church, nor Trevor "using his superior fighting skills" (whatever the hell this means) to defeat Cyclops inside some underground ruins (is it so hard to make it into a creepy-ass forest?). I don't want this bullshit, and I'm afraid this is exactly the bullshit we will get.

There is plenty of material on the original canon to work with and the only excuse for not adapting this material is not having done enough research.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 10, 2017, 06:16:24 PM
There is plenty of material on the original canon to work with

I want the next two seasons to be about Hector and Juste's furniture collecting hobby.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: XombieMike on February 10, 2017, 06:22:56 PM
Holy shit. Adi Shankar just agreed to do an interview with me on the next Bloodstained Community Broadcast. Ask your questions In this thread on the Bloodstained Forums (http://bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/41321/thread). No registration required. Guest logins are fine if you don't wanna stick around.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 10, 2017, 06:27:07 PM
I want the next two seasons to be about Hector and Juste's furniture collecting hobby.

Nah man, Hector's toilet seat :P

Also my last msg was a bit fired #presidentoftheunitedstates
Sorry peops, should learn to cool my testes.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 10, 2017, 06:28:12 PM
Holy shit. Adi Shankar just agreed to do an interview with me on the next Bloodstained Community Broadcast. Ask your questions In this thread on the Bloodstained Forums (http://bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/41321/thread). No registration required. Guest logins are fine if you don't wanna stick around.

Ahhh my boy... I'll most certainly take the chance.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lelygax on February 10, 2017, 08:11:38 PM
Hopefully he will use classic enemies and bosses while keeping more or less character portrayals, instead of random enemies, names slapped in for no reason other than "Durr look who's in the game except its not important anymore" (Sypha Im looking at you) and barrels like in Mirror of Fate.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dremn on February 10, 2017, 09:07:08 PM
Ask him when we can expect a visual teaser that showcases the art style or just a trailer soon
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 11, 2017, 03:40:50 AM
Holy shit. Adi Shankar just agreed to do an interview with me on the next Bloodstained Community Broadcast. Ask your questions In this thread on the Bloodstained Forums (http://bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/41321/thread). No registration required. Guest logins are fine if you don't wanna stick around.

Wow, nice one, Mike!  Lots of good opportunities here.  I'm looking forward to seeing what's said.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Eric Roman on February 11, 2017, 10:31:50 PM
Registered for it!  ;]
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Post by: Oniros on February 12, 2017, 11:30:16 AM
Holy shit. Adi Shankar just agreed to do an interview with me on the next Bloodstained Community Broadcast. Ask your questions In this thread on the Bloodstained Forums (http://bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/41321/thread). No registration required. Guest logins are fine if you don't wanna stick around.
Good stuff! Hopefully we'll get a bit more info on how this will go. Personally, if it ends up being mediocre, it still reminds people that Castlevania is (still) a thing.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: JayDominus on February 12, 2017, 01:25:58 PM
The 'Surely Grant's name should be re-translated as Grant Danesti rather than fully ditching him' point has also baffled me as to why it's not been done already even when the project was originally under development ten years ago.  For anyone who's actually looked at the real Vlad III's history, the DaNasty -> Danesti is insanely obvious....  I suppose that we will find out one way or the other in the not too distant future.
While we're at it, can we have all the mistranslated names retranslated? Belnades, Lecarde, et cetera.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: MooMilk on February 12, 2017, 05:41:43 PM
If they are gonna do that then they gotta call the series Akumajo Dracula. Since you want them to use the Japanese names.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: JR on February 13, 2017, 12:26:08 AM
Personally, if it ends up being mediocre, it still reminds people that Castlevania is (still) a thing.

If it can draw attention to the series and convince Konami to make a brand new game, then that's a plus. I'm not getting my hopes up for that, but it would be nice to see.
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Post by: Crying Freeman on February 13, 2017, 10:04:59 AM
He didn't outright ditch Grant. He just thought Grant was too minor to introduce on the first movie (and offered a number of crap excuse to back this up). I certainly think he will appear on this Netflix show, but guess what? It'll have another season planned for 2018, with the one coming out now having four 30 minutes-long episodes.

I don't wanna wait until 2018 to see Grant, to be fairly honest to you. In fact I don't want to see tasteless humor, nor Gresit bishop, nor gore for gore's sake, nor Sypha being anything but a witch sent by the Church, nor Trevor "using his superior fighting skills" (whatever the hell this means) to defeat Cyclops inside some underground ruins (is it so hard to make it into a creepy-ass forest?). I don't want this bullshit, and I'm afraid this is exactly the bullshit we will get.

There is plenty of material on the original canon to work with and the only excuse for not adapting this material is not having done enough research.

Exmaplined pretty much what I'd like to see- og Castlevania where it was dark fantasy and there was magic but the Belmonts were still human and were still vulnerable. Yes Sypha gives Belmonts like Richter and Juste their magic but I hate whenever the Belmonts have super saiyan powers. You're right, though, I don't think they'll go that route. If it is over the top action but still quality material though, I won't let that ruin my enjoyment even if it does irk me a bit
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dremn on February 23, 2017, 11:32:44 AM
We got a poster, from Adi Shankar's facebook page:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIEaKc7Z.jpg&hash=9315987d42c5107f3f607b46d4e62748)

Well it's DEFINITELY got the mood down!
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Post by: Nagumo on February 23, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
That's a very nonsensical looking castle.
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Post by: Belmontoya on February 23, 2017, 02:12:59 PM
We got a poster, from Adi Shankar's facebook page:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIEaKc7Z.jpg&hash=9315987d42c5107f3f607b46d4e62748)

Well it's DEFINITELY got the mood down!

Man... I actually really love the craziness of this castle. It makes it seem more like a supernaturally built structure with a different type of purpose.

The logo is great too.

Very cool!

The deciding moment on art will be a character like Trevor or Alucard.

Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 23, 2017, 02:26:37 PM
We got a poster, from Adi Shankar's facebook page:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIEaKc7Z.jpg&hash=9315987d42c5107f3f607b46d4e62748)

Well it's DEFINITELY got the mood down!

I'm not feeling it. It's not bad, I just think it's missing the point.

When I first saw this weeks ago (yes, this has been unveiled much earlier than Shankar posted it on Facebook (https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/arts/animating-guru-hirsh-is-back-with-new-company-netflix-project/article33942446/)) I thought it was just a random "evil castle" artwork they found on Google to use as illustration.

For a random artwork whose purpose or character I didn't know at the time, I thought it looked properly terrifying and technically good. But now that I know this is supposed to be Dracula's Castle, I'm not very fond of it.

For me it looks too forced, too "metal". While the obvious bizarre structure conveys the "you will not want to be here, man" feeling, and while it's a good thing that this design draws parallels with the CVIII castle in overall disposition of stuff, it looks to me that someone didn't get the part where Dracula was supposed to be living PEACEFULLY amongst humans, in a castle that holds a façade of a "totally normal albeit a bit too large castle" until Dracula lost his mind. You can't be very peaceful when you live on the Obviously Evil Castle, can you?

From what I gather, and this comes a lot from personal opinion based on what I have perceived on the series mind you, the castle doesn't LOOK obviously eldritch from its exterior. It's only when you squint that you start noticing the absurd stuff from the outside -- in special Dracula's room hanging on nothing but a stairway. The devil is on the details, and this poster is too on-your-face, I think.

We don't know much about the plot, so we don't have much context or know if the castle will like transform or something, or if Dracula will shape up this evil castle when he goes mad. It could be anything and I'm passing early judgment. But this looks like somewhere where Bowser would live in, not Dracula.

EDIT: Coming from the future to tell myself that yeah, the castle was exactly this from the onset, and yeah, this "teaser" poster was as final as final comes.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 23, 2017, 02:57:32 PM
For me it looks too forced, too "metal". While the obvious bizarre structure conveys the "you will not want to be here, man" feeling, and while it's a good thing that this design draws parallels with the CVIII castle in overall disposition of stuff, it looks to me that someone didn't get the part where Dracula was supposed to be living PEACEFULLY amongst humans, in a castle that holds a façade of a "totally normal, albeit a bit too large, castle", until Dracula lost his mind. You can't be very peaceful when you live on the Obviously Evil Castle, can you?

From what I gather, and this comes a lot from personal opinion based on what I have perceived on the series mind you, the castle doesn't LOOK obviously eldritch from the outside. It's only when you squint that you start noticing the absurd stuff from the outside -- in special Dracula's room hanging on nothing but a stairway. The devil is on the details, and this poster is too on-your-face, I think.

We don't know much about the plot, so we I don't have much context or know if the castle will like transform or something, or if Dracula will shape up this evil castle when he goes mad. But this looks like somewhere where Bowser would live in, not Dracula.

This is an excellent point and it's something that bothers me too. The design of this castle is way too much "in your face". If Dracula's castle was a character from Judgment this design is what you'll end up with. I prefer a more subdued look. And as trivial as it may sound, Dracula's castle looking like this raises the question how Dracula managed to keep a low profile. Unless this look is a more recent development or something.

Also, this is just a feeling I have, but I think the idea of Dracula living in such a structure (it's obviously supposed to convey a sense of 'evilness' ) clashes with how Dracula was like as a person before Lisa's death. It's weird to picture Dracula being with a woman like Lisa (who is described as being like the Virgin Mary) while living, as plottwist put it, in Bowser's Castle. Dracula first has to complete his transformation into the main antagonist before you put him into such an environment. However, I think this part of a larger problem: the idea that Dracula should assume the mantle of a generic evil overlord as quickly as possible after Lament of Innocence. However, doing so completely ruins his romance with Lisa and makes their relationship nonsensical.
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Post by: AxeLord on February 23, 2017, 03:50:23 PM
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Also, this is just a feeling I have, but I think the idea of Dracula living in such a structure (it's obviously supposed to convey a sense of 'evilness' ) clashes with how Dracula was like as a person before Lisa's death. It's weird to picture Dracula being with a woman like Lisa (who is described as being like the Virgin Mary) while living, as plottwist put it, in Bowser's Castle. Dracula first has to complete his transformation into the main antagonist before you put him into such an environment. However, I think this part of a larger problem: the idea that Dracula should assume the mantle of a generic evil overlord as quickly as possible after Lament of Innocence. However, doing so completely ruins his romance with Lisa and makes their relationship nonsensical.

I think it's safe to assume plotlines established by IGA in later entries such as Lament of Innocence will go largely ignored. Realistically, I'm sure Shankar's frame of reference for what "Castlevania" is probably cuts off at 1991. I don't think he's any kind of superfan like us.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 23, 2017, 03:58:34 PM
I went and captured many forms of the castle (http://imgur.com/a/hL0Xt) to see if I'm not being a dick for no reason. Conclusion: I'm pretty sure I'm not.

See, the castle looks mostly normal except for specific details -- it generally has there Dracula's tower sustained over nothing, and overly long bridges. Sometimes very tall towers, sometimes it's slightly too big to be a believable castle. Amongst the most normal ones, the most egregious example is Chronicles' version, and even so it doesn't look as incredibly eldritch, which a lot of sustenance to hold the suspended part.

To say there AREN'T instances of overly bizarre forms at all is incorrect: I've captured The Adventure's and Belmont's Revenge's castles. One looks like an alien hive, the other looks like a futuristic castle.

But c'mon, man... These are two examples against many others of the castle NOT looking like Sauron's Summer Abode. Though I agree it doesn't look bad from the artistic standpoint, this one on the poster is looking too stereotypically evil for my tastes and sending me the wrong message.

The castle is generally elegant before being terrifying. As Dracula's description says -- he is cruel, but values elegance. And this is what is not selling the poster to me.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 23, 2017, 09:59:49 PM
It looks to me like a creature of chaos that can take many incarnations.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on February 23, 2017, 10:58:39 PM
I wonder how many people would still be singing that tune if they made the castle out of cotton candy and decked out with pink and blue neon lights and all the monsters are Rod Stewart in a speedo and every stage theme is "Shadow Dancing", and Dracula is Gary Busey in a cape sewn from the hairs off of Sean Connery's chest.

I mean, if "many incarnations" counts as a valid justification for otherwise nonsensical or simply generic designs, then anything goes and literally no one has any right to complain, right?
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Post by: chainsawmidget on February 23, 2017, 11:02:34 PM
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I wonder how many people would still be singing that tune if they made the castle out of cotton candy and decked out with pink and blue neon lights and all the monsters are Rod Stewart in a speedo and every stage theme is "Shadow Dancing", and Dracula is Gary Busey in a cape sewn from the hairs off of Sean Connery's chest.
I would buy that game TWICE! 

(or cartoon series... or whatever.)

Anyway, the poster of the castle, I like the design.  There's something about that makes it look like it may have once been a normal castle, but it started growing and twisting in ways no human would ever design. 
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 24, 2017, 02:13:03 AM
More than the poster, I need to know more of the plot.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 24, 2017, 02:16:53 AM
As an art piece, I don't mind the poster. It looks like a very detailed comic book cover, nice perspective and quite architecturally detailed.

What I don't think is necessary is the "literalisation" of a castle which isn't necessarily engineered the way builidngs are in real life (albeit with engineering and architectural feats including impressive cantilevers in contemporary cities). What I mean is that the top half looks elegant, and the bottom half looks 'heavier'. Perhaps this is the look they were going for based upon CVIII's particular castle/ context, but I believe a lighter and more surreal attachment to the earth/ ocean would've been more effective.

In summary, it looks overly designed for something surreal and conceptual in philosophy. The actual technical skills involved are effective though.
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Post by: SecretWeapon on February 24, 2017, 05:25:36 AM
I like it. Personally i believe that it looks like it was a normal castle that "grew" parts which kinda suits the creature of chaos schtick.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 24, 2017, 06:50:02 AM
I wonder how many people would still be singing that tune if they made the castle out of cotton candy and decked out with pink and blue neon lights and all the monsters are Rod Stewart in a speedo and every stage theme is "Shadow Dancing", and Dracula is Gary Busey in a cape sewn from the hairs off of Sean Connery's chest.

I mean, if "many incarnations" counts as a valid justification for otherwise nonsensical or simply generic designs, then anything goes and literally no one has any right to complain, right?

Lmao. Thanks for the wonderful mental image!

Anyway.... I don't think that argument makes any sense at all.
The reason I like the design is exactly because it's a perfect balance of nonsensical and serious.
The series might actually end up being shitty but at least This image hopefully shows they're willing to take risks with designs and hopefully it translates into the story as well. The last thing I want is a generic castle. When you don't take risks and you play it safe you get Lords of Shadow.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: AlexCalvo on February 24, 2017, 07:06:23 AM
This is a teaser poster.  A. TEASER. POSTER.  Some people here are working really hard to get themselves worked up over this.  I know we all have our own beloved head canon, our own beloved filter for seeing the series.  But the truth is nothing we've seen so far indicates anything too far flung from what we should expect from a Castlevania adaptation.  I am still very optimistic.  The poster is generic, nothing spectacular.  But as I said, it is the very earliest tease we get, and I very much doubt it is supposed to show us exactly how the castle will be portrayed in the series.  My recommendation until we see more is for people to calm down, and don't try to pick every new scrap of info apart to try and figure out where it's going wrong.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on February 24, 2017, 07:23:00 AM
Said teaser looks like something MC Escher would draw after binge-watching Metalocalypse. Which is awesome, just not for CV. Little bit too over-the-top.

If a few of us are a little bit pissed off about that, I think it's a little justified. Just because something looks good and without context is pretty cool doesn't mean it's a good fit.

It's Dracula's castle, not Rl'yeh.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: AlexCalvo on February 24, 2017, 08:02:39 AM
 :rollseyes:
Thanks for providing a graphic to My point. You are exaggerating more than a little here. While the castle is certainly a little bit wonky and unnatural it is very far from anything lovecraftian, or like  Escher.  It looks like an eery, other worldly, gothic castle.  Very much in line with what it is representing, it is obviously stylized.  It is mediocre, don't get me wrong. But a mediocre teaser poster is nothing to write five paragraph essays on.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 24, 2017, 08:49:50 AM
In the end, it's indeed just a teaser poster. I'm a bit apprehensive about how this series is going to turn out so my earlier post was a gut reaction. The art style and the script is what's going to determine my feelings about it. Fingers crossed this poster is just generic looking concept art.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on February 24, 2017, 08:56:45 AM
You're right. I mean, it's not like there has been a history a video game cartoon adaptations failing miserably. I'm sure the Mega Man cartoon...whoops, I mean Aki and his quest to become a real boy in school since Man of Action doesn't seem to like plot lines that aren't "school kid with superpowers"...will be absolutely wonderful and completely accurate to the source material and absolutely definitely not piss off any fans for its ridiculous deviations from source material and deciding that inventing new storylines instead of going by 20-plus years of canon is a good idea . Nope, definitely not any room to piss people off with that kind of mindset.

Don't patronize me. There is more than enough of a precedent set for TV adaptations that even something as small as this teaser to be entirely able to be held accountable for what the studios plan to do. I would be skeptical regardless of who the studio was. Adaptations like these are not easy, and far too often we see people take the easy route and just make their own shit up as they go along, rather than expend additional time, effort, and money to cross-check and fact-check the existing source material.

And yes, it IS very reminiscent of something Lovecraftian or Escsher. Both sources, albeit for different reasons, are kind of big on unnatural or otherwise otherworldly depictions of reality and architecture.

Regardless, I will write and feel however I gosh hecking darn well please. There is more than enough precedent in this field for myself and others to feel the way we do.

Also I'm condensing a lot of this down and probably coming off as more hostile that I actually feel, but currently my only source of Internet is my phone and I really don't feel like typing out the full thing that I have in my head. So, disclaimer there. :P
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 24, 2017, 10:36:44 AM
Castlevanias story has always been shit. It comes naturally with it being a video game.
I personally don't love Draculas Curse for its great writing. I love it because I like the gameplay.

This is a tv show. Story is the main draw. It will succeed or fail in its ability to tell a good story.
The story of Castlevania III can be summed up in a single sentence "Trevor, Sypha, Alucard and Grant beat Dracula". There's quite a bit of room for improvement there.

I hope he doesn't try to implement 30 years of nonsense only a small percentage of viewers will care about.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on February 24, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
Nobody wants the other 30 years of material in the show, dude. They released a teaser image and it doesn't make much sense as a design and some of us take issue with that for various reasons.

I do hope you're not implying that a lesser number of opinions makes them lesser in value.
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Post by: chainsawmidget on February 24, 2017, 12:01:54 PM
It's Dracula's castle, not Rl'yeh.
Then why is Cthulhu in it?
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on February 24, 2017, 12:34:47 PM
Because nobody gets Cthulhu right and play him off as some enemy that can be killed.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 24, 2017, 01:25:56 PM
Nobody wants the other 30 years of material in the show, dude.

Maybe YOU don't.

Also, this is just a feeling I have, but I think the idea of Dracula living in such a structure (it's obviously supposed to convey a sense of 'evilness' ) clashes with how Dracula was like as a person before Lisa's death.

I went and captured many forms of the castle (http://imgur.com/a/hL0Xt) to see if I'm not being a dick for no reason. Conclusion: I'm pretty sure I'm not.

See, the castle looks mostly normal except for specific details -- it generally has there Dracula's tower sustained over nothing, and overly long bridges. Sometimes very tall towers, sometimes it's slightly too big to be a believable castle. Amongst the most normal ones, the most egregious example is Chronicles' version, and even so it doesn't look as incredibly eldritch, which a lot of sustenance to hold the suspended part.

To say there AREN'T instances of overly bizarre forms at all is incorrect: I've captured The Adventure's and Belmont's Revenge's castles. One looks like an alien hive, the other looks like a futuristic castle.

But c'mon, man... These are two examples against many others of the castle NOT looking like Sauron's Summer Abode. Though I agree it doesn't look bad from the artistic standpoint, this one on the poster is looking too stereotypically evil for my tastes and sending me the wrong message.

The castle is generally elegant before being terrifying. As Dracula's description says -- he is cruel, but values elegance. And this is what is not selling the poster to me.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on February 24, 2017, 02:08:34 PM
Cv3 marks a very important point in Dracula's story, one whereupon he finally goes all out against humanity. The factors that lead to this point are indeed from other parts of the canon and rightly should not be ignored if the studio plans on having a flushed out backstory. The others are completely Justified in their concerns involving this.

Cv3 might not need to include these elements for its own story to work, but as we all know, television thrives on storytelling, and as such excluding such important elements to the story at large would not be a wise move.

Perhaps they intend to use some of these elements, perhaps they don't. We have no idea at present. What we do know is the existing details about the series in conjunction with the teaser image they have released--a teaser image which, accounting for the simple fact that we have only our own devices and knowledge to fill in the gaps we currently do not know, does not stack up with what we do. The castle design they have released, assuming it is finalized and permanent and is intended to be used in the final show, seems very out of place in regards to all known aspects of the series and its depiction of the true Castle. As a direct result, those of us with deep-rooted involvement with the canon are currently left only to assume that the design is being done for cool points alone. Combine this with other existing precedents such as the Abomination that is the Mega Man cartoon and you have a perfect recipe for concern.

You may quote everybody all day in any number of attempts to throw a wrench into what I am saying, but the simple fact of the matter is there is far more behind this mindset then simply being pissy the design is it to our tastes. If one major aesthetic facet appears to have been significantly altered for the sake of looking cool, then what else is on that chopping block? Shore, we don't know one way or the other right now, but as I've mentioned we currently can only fill in the gaps with what information we have and know,  and that is precisely what several of us are doing.

And we don't like where are inferences seemed to lead. We could be wrong, we could be right, but at the end of the day we can only work with what we have.

And right now what we have does not bode well for some of us, nothing more and nothing less. If we are guilty of nitpicking too much, then so too are some of you guilty for anatgonizing us for doing so. Our thoughts and perspectives are not lesser in quality simply because they do not align with your own.

PostScript: haha wow my phone's voice to text really fucked this one up didn't it sorry for a couple of those
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 24, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
Cv3 marks a very important point in Dracula's story, one whereupon he finally goes all out against humanity. The factors that lead to this point are indeed from other parts of the canon and rightly should not be ignored if the studio plans on having a flushed out backstory. The others are completely Justified in their concerns involving this.

Cv3 might not need to include these elements for its own story to work, but as we all know, television thrives on storytelling, and as such excluding such important elements to the story at large would not be a wise move.

Perhaps they intend to use some of these elements, perhaps they don't. We have no idea at present. What we do know is the existing details about the series in conjunction with the teaser image they have released--a teaser image which, accounting for the simple fact that we have only our own devices and knowledge to fill in the gaps we currently do not know, does not stack up with what we do. The castle design they have released, assuming it is finalized and permanent and is intended to be used in the final show, seems very out of place in regards to all known aspects of the series and its depiction of the true Castle. As a direct result, those of us with deep-rooted involvement with the canon are currently left only to assume that the design is being done for cool points alone. Combine this with other existing precedents such as the Abomination that is the Mega Man cartoon and you have a perfect recipe for concern.

You may quote everybody all day in any number of attempts to throw a wrench into what I am saying, but the simple fact of the matter is there is far more behind this mindset then simply being pissy the design is it to our tastes. If one major aesthetic facet appears to have been significantly altered for the sake of looking cool, then what else is on that chopping block? Shore, we don't know one way or the other right now, but as I've mentioned we currently can only fill in the gaps with what information we have and know,  and that is precisely what several of us are doing.

And we don't like where are inferences seemed to lead. We could be wrong, we could be right, but at the end of the day we can only work with what we have.

And right now what we have does not bode well for some of us, nothing more and nothing less. If we are guilty of nitpicking too much, then so too are some of you guilty for anatgonizing us for doing so. Our thoughts and perspectives are not lesser in quality simply because they do not align with your own.

PostScript: haha wow my phone's voice to text really fucked this one up didn't it sorry for a couple of those

I can respect this. There is a surprising amount of nuance in your opinion I didn't get a feel for when I read earlier posts by you.

I think our difference of opinion is basically this:

You: "Judging only by the teser image, we can already see they are taking the series in a direction I don't like. I see red flags from previous terrible game adaptations"

Me: "Judging only by the teser image, we can already see they are taking the series in a different direction which we have never seen before. Change can be a good thing and I prefer art take risks."

I see both opinions as valid until we see more.

By the way... a redditor called DaemonXHUN found a high resolution version of the castle.
https://i.redd.it/rqj5d1bz7qhy.jpg

I like it even more now honestly.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 24, 2017, 02:47:34 PM
"omg why would Virgin Mary-like Lisa live in that castle" She married a bloodsucking killer omg. Living in a weird castle would be the least weird thing in her relationship and for all we know, Drac could look normal but the fucked up Castle is there to showcase he is inhuman and besides, if this is the castle CV3 during CV3 it means Drac war started and the castle being grotesque makes sense aswell.

Personally its my 2nd favorite castle exterior, 1st one is Aria's.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Belmontoya on February 24, 2017, 02:53:41 PM
It's nice to see a visually interesting and different castle for Dracula.
I haven't seen one of those since Dracula by Coppola.

As a fan I'm giving this new series a clean slate and an opportunity to portray Castlevania any way they choose. If it's good and feels like Castlevania, I'll be happy. If it's not, oh well.

I've read some questionable comments about heavy violence and whatnot. It's not a bad thing but it was an awkward offputing thing to highlight in an interview.

But people can have foot in mouth syndrome sometimes so I'm not going to hold it against him as I watch the content unfurl. I want to just take it in with clear judgement as it is released.

I'm going to give Shankar the same chance I would want. That seems fair to me.

If it turns out not good then I just won't watch it.

But I think everyone should respect each others feelings. You guys all have good points.


Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 24, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
This is a teaser poster.  A. TEASER. POSTER.

Nobody is denying that. But there's this: This series is supposed to come out this year. How much long do you think they have to change this stuff? How early do you think this poster is? My bet? Not as early as you believe. I'll be surprised if this design changed in any significant manner from this point onwards.

Some people here are working really hard to get themselves worked up over this.

Well I'm sorry I demand some quality on the series I like and plan to consume! Even you think this castle design is mediocre. What, you think the EPONYMOUS CHARACTER'S design being mediocre is not something to be worked up about? How many concept artworks do you think there existed before this one? What do you think is the mindset for choosing this one to represent the work, even knowing it's early?

See what I mean?

I know we all have our own beloved head canon, our own beloved filter for seeing the series.  But the truth is nothing we've seen so far indicates anything too far flung from what we should expect from a Castlevania adaptation.

Just because I expect subpar work doesn't mean I should be happy about it.

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My recommendation until we see more is for people to calm down, and don't try to pick every new scrap of info apart to try and figure out where it's going wrong.

You believe this is early? Then I think it'd be best for us to criticize the shit out of it right now so they can see it and change it accordingly before the show comes out.

The truth of the matter is that the majority is fawning over this ever since its inception, however. I'm just one guy with five paragraphs. Five paragraphs in a sea of agreement will not make one ripple, realistically speaking.

I get your point. You think this is too early to draw solid conclusions (something I have specified clearly on my criticism). However neither of us can prove how early it is. You think it's a safe bet to shut up. I think it's a safe bet to assume this is either final or next to final because we're already in 2017.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 24, 2017, 03:25:29 PM
"they change it accordingly before the show comes out" hahaha
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 24, 2017, 03:43:55 PM
"omg why would Virgin Mary-like Lisa live in that castle" She married a bloodsucking killer omg.

What you're saying here is interesting because it illustrates the problem I was talking about earlier. Since you're describing Dracula as already being a "bloodsucking killer" at that point in time it seems that in your mind his transformation into villain has already been completed. Lisa is supposed to be the catalyst that causes Dracula to take up the mantle of Dark Lord.We are told Dracula's love for her made it possible for him to regain a part of his humanity. This in turn helps make Dracula a more sympathetic and tragic character. That's the function their relationship plays in the overall plot.

Rushing Dracula into the role of main villain ruins this because it undermines Dracula's development as a character. Therefore, before Lisa's death, Dracula has to be relatable on a certain level otherwise the audience doesn't care someone close to him has died.

(This is just a general comment, it's not a criticism of the animated series).
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 24, 2017, 04:10:04 PM
"they change it accordingly before the show comes out" hahaha

This was not me acting like my opinion is important in any way. The imediate next paragraph clarifies this.

The point I was making is that saying that this is an early thing should be reason enough to let me criticize it.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 24, 2017, 04:25:17 PM
Afaik Dracula was already a vampire. He may have been a "nice" vampire but i doubr he was Edward Cullen-ing it and using deers or whatever.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 24, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
The HD image looks better. If they just deleted the bottom-right portion of the Castle itself it would be better imho.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 24, 2017, 05:12:53 PM
Afaik Dracula was already a vampire. He may have been a "nice" vampire but i doubr he was Edward Cullen-ing it and using deers or whatever.

Yes, even before he met Lisa, Dracula already has a history of making selfish decisions. The point is that Dracula's love for Lisa gave him a second chance at happiness despite his past deeds. Because of Lisa, Dracula had a chance to better himself and regain his humanity.This is what makes it all the more tragic that this opportunity is taken away from him due to actions outside of his control.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 24, 2017, 06:29:51 PM
Yes. Doesn't change the fact between a vampire and living in an gravity defying castle the former is the most worrying one.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on February 24, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
Somebody's racist against vampires.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 25, 2017, 12:57:38 AM
Yes. Doesn't change the fact between a vampire and living in an gravity defying castle the former is the most worrying one.

Could you rephrase? I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make.

Edit: I'm guessing that you're trying to say that the fact that Dracula is a vampire would already be a deal breaker for most people so him living an overlord lair doesn't matter.

I disagree with that line of thought. The series contains several cases of vampires who still have some humanity left in them. For example, Rosa from the N64 games. I believe it's also made clear this is because of her feelings for Reinhardt. A more prominent example would be Alucard.  You could say he doesn't count because he's half-human, which is a fair point. However, when looking at his CVIII incarnation he definitely counts as a good example because in that game he is described as a vampire who still has some humanity left in him.

So the bottom line is that being a vampire doesn't automatically make you an unredeemable monster. There are vampires who can regain their human side by forming attachments.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: AlexCalvo on February 25, 2017, 04:23:05 AM
What about having a giant spooky castle that is a refuge for all those beings who rage against God? That was the situation according to the CoD manga. Dracula's castle was plenty spooky/evil before Lisa. He wasn't just murdering people, but it wasn't just a happy pretty castle. This idea some people haven of it being an ordinary pretty castle is just head canon.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 25, 2017, 05:33:38 AM
Yeah, I recently flipped through the manga again to check that part. At one point Isaac says: "The count is said to be generous towards those who turn their back on God, like us". Dracula takes in people like Hector and Iscaac who are outcasts and have lost their faith in God. I don't think this is really "raging" against  God but more like not accepting God. The raging is what happend afterwards. So I disagree with the idea that "Dracula was always evil ever since he became a vampire, he just didn't kill people".

But you're right that Dracula's castle was a spooky place when Lisa was still alive. A small sidenote though, we don't know anything about the castle's past or when Dracula started taking up residence there, so to conclude based on the CoD manga that Dracula's castle never could have been an uncorrupted place in the past is jumping to conclusions. We don't know enough information to support either claim.

I'm just interested what Dracula's relationship with Lisa worked in the environment we see him in. Lisa is reminiscent of the Virgin Mary and IGA said she was part of a holy bloodline. What did she think of Dracula's attitude against God? Would a person like her live in such a place? These seem like reasonable questions to ask.         
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: AlexCalvo on February 25, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
We know that Dracula was raging against god ever since Elisabetha's death.  Enough to have Sara killed, and to steal a vampire's soul.  We also know from the manga that there were demons and dark magic going on in the castle before Lisa's death.  I am not saying Dracula was a full scale Hitler, but he was certainly not just a peaceful benevolent vampire king.  I think Lisa saw through his darkness, and that's what made her so special, but the darkness was very present.  Lisa's death drove him to world domination/human extinction, but he was already a villain.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: SecretWeapon on February 25, 2017, 11:23:20 AM
Lisa: "I can love a bloodsucker...but i could never live in a weird looking castle, thats too much"
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on February 25, 2017, 12:16:33 PM
Lisa: "I can love a bloodsucker...but i could never live in a weird looking castle, thats too much"

I see you didn't bother to read my post.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Laina on February 25, 2017, 03:33:38 PM
Kinda feeling cautious about this.  On the one hand, just the fact that we're getting anything Castlevania related at all is wonderful...but the way it's being described makes me raise an eyebrow.  More so since this still based on Castlevania 3 (my favorite game in the series).

It really just depends on the presentation, so I'll reserve further judgement until we see something.  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't kinda happy about this happening at all though.

Basically this mixed with Nagumo's cringe & a preference to not use the CVIII Alucard design comments. I'm...bracing for impact, HARD. But...I'm also...well, I'm a little tickled to be getting SOMETHING Castlevania related that isn't parked in a smoke filled pachinko parlor nestled in Tokyo...just a little. At the end of the day though, I'm ready for a total disaster while hoping for a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 25, 2017, 04:45:19 PM
This idea some people haven of it being an ordinary pretty castle is just head canon.

As if it were impossible to prove that the castle's exterior looks pretty damn normal in general in almost every one of its incarnations. If the idea of it looking mostly ordinary is "headcanon", the same is so for it looking like a BDSM haven.

I'd not be so opposed to the castle looking nightmarish if the series weren't based on Castlevania III. I still hope this form is something the castle will become only after Dracula goes mad -- which would admitedly make it a pretty good concept, if a little bit too obvious. Like, it'd showcase that Dracula has now FULL INTENTION of burning the castle's horrifying visage on the minds of people.

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but he was certainly not just a peaceful benevolent vampire king.

Perhaps not "benevolent" (though I DO remember it saying officially Dracula protected the people from an invading army. I'll get the source on that, just you wait), but "peaceful"... Well...

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvcvsIUL.png&hash=6ac7b34b6792828b14709d6aeb8c1f04)

I understand "peaceful" as "not trying to wreck people's shit" or "not trying to scare the hell out of them".

"B-but that's previous to Curse of Darkness! IGA certainly changed his mind!"

Oh, by all means:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fe3JL9Wj.png&hash=3a4db312e93edaeac310218a2be308bb)

Double Jump interview with IGA. On the same interview he mentions Curse of Darkness in the past, having done this interview years later. The excerpt I posted seems to make it obvious that IGA hasn't changed his "Dracula was living on relative discretion" mindset.

"Living quietly" I think means "not wanting to attract attention to yourself". This probably means not having an enormous castle screaming "THE DEVIL LIVES HERE" attracting all the attention to you.

And, finally, this:

暗黒時代のヨーロッパ。ドラキュラ伯爵の人類虐殺が始まる。伯爵がヴァンパイアであると確信を得た東方正教会は、討伐への軍を派遣するが失敗。正統ヴァンパイアハンターの末裔、“ラルフ・C・ベルモンド”へ討伐を依頼をすることとなる。ラルフは、戦いの中で出会う、“グラント・ダナナスティ”、“サイファ・ヴェルナンデス”、そして、ドラキュラ伯爵の息子、“アルカード”と共に、伯爵を滅ぼすことに成功する。その強力な力ゆえに、人々に忌み嫌われていたベルモンド一族は、英雄としての道を歩み始める。

This is the explanation for CVIII on the timeline. It says that once the Church was convinced Dracula was a vampire, then they dispatched a team of vampire hunters to deal with him. See, Dracula being a vampire was not something known at the time, and it wasn't until his war that someone did anything against him. Don't you think having a castle screaming "final boss lives here" from the onset wouldn't tip off the Church something is wrong? Collecting GODDAMN HERBS was enough to get Lisa killed under accusations of sorcery.

I think that settles it, and just an addendum because I absolutelly love to be told my ideas are "just headcanon" when I can show they are not: Some of you guys seem to be eager to wave Nagumo's, Dracula9's and my perspectives as the crazy ramblings of lunatics when we said nothing of your perspectives, of which I, at least, do have some opinions on too, but don't express because honestly they would just work to offend people for no reason.

Make sure you do your research. I do mine most of the time before saying anything on any matter and my opinion is not based on "what looks prettier" or "give them a chance". My opinion comes from already knowing what these people think of the series (Ellis' blog is gone, but you can still find him saying that he has an "interest" on the series, as if he has no attachment to the work he's doing at all, or giving bullshit excuses about Grant) and my own knowledge and observations of the series. Comes from seeing Shankar use the exact same tricks Dave Cox used (buzzwords, be as misleading as possible), and not be challenged on them at all.

So, you think this castle is good? Good for you, and I'll let you have your opinion. So let me write my goddamn five paragraphs about it not being good in peace, and let me screenshot castle forms for frames of reference to give my point any substance beyond "3/10 looks like shit".

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJ5HdW1Y.png&hash=1ea253157f0679352ad268ae39fa324c)
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 25, 2017, 06:34:51 PM
Plottwist has a point re: Castlevania's physiognomy.

Ignore this article's text but have a look at the image comparison at the bottom http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/24/netflixs-castlevania-poster-shows-draculas-classically-bizarre-castle (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/24/netflixs-castlevania-poster-shows-draculas-classically-bizarre-castle)

What they got right was the throne room, but if we're staying true to CVIII I almost want to delete the bottom half of the castle on the poster.

I'm also not following why that tower to the left of the moon has to be there, there's clearly a throne room at the very top of the castle. The more I look at the castle's build (particularly the lower half) it's starting to look the Dracula's Castle from the Van Helsing film.

Sotn's Manga adaptation is an example where the artwork has stayed more true to the game:
Manga: http://img12.deviantart.net/b75f/i/2015/125/5/3/castlevania_sotn_manga__eng__8_by_diobrando-d1pfn0v.jpg (http://img12.deviantart.net/b75f/i/2015/125/5/3/castlevania_sotn_manga__eng__8_by_diobrando-d1pfn0v.jpg)
Game: http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/multi/Masters/protogem/SOTN_1.jpg (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/multi/Masters/protogem/SOTN_1.jpg)
Game (3d cutscene): http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/castle.jpg (http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/castle.jpg)
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 25, 2017, 07:58:57 PM
Plottwist has a point re: Castlevania's physiognomy.

Ignore this article's text but have a look at the image comparison at the bottom http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/24/netflixs-castlevania-poster-shows-draculas-classically-bizarre-castle (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/24/netflixs-castlevania-poster-shows-draculas-classically-bizarre-castle)

What they got right was the throne room, but if we're staying true to CVIII I almost want to delete the bottom half of the castle on the poster.

I'm also not following why that tower to the left of the moon has to be there, there's clearly a throne room at the very top of the castle. The more I look at the castle's build (particularly the lower half) it's starting to look the Dracula's Castle from the Van Helsing film.

Sotn's Manga adaptation is an example where the artwork has stayed more true to the game:
Manga: http://img12.deviantart.net/b75f/i/2015/125/5/3/castlevania_sotn_manga__eng__8_by_diobrando-d1pfn0v.jpg (http://img12.deviantart.net/b75f/i/2015/125/5/3/castlevania_sotn_manga__eng__8_by_diobrando-d1pfn0v.jpg)
Game: http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/multi/Masters/protogem/SOTN_1.jpg (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/multi/Masters/protogem/SOTN_1.jpg)
Game (3d cutscene): http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/castle.jpg (http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/castle.jpg)

See, this is why I praised the fact that they got the GENERAL disposition of stuff right. They did. There's even what appears to be the tower where Grant is, and the long bridge that collapses.

What is bugging me is that they took a design that doesn't look stereotypically evil, and turned it into stereotipically evil by adding far too many useless details just because "edgy", making the castle look haphazardly composited on the process. While it looks alive, that's not the point of the castle. It's so much not the point that Maria couldn't even realize it until Alucard told her that. The objective is for this living creature that is the castle to be DISGUISED from the common sense of people. If your common sense tells you immediately that the castle is evil as fuck, I'm sorry, but you failed to hide your sinister nature and the Church would be all over that followed by an army of pitch-fork-holding commoners.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 25, 2017, 10:40:41 PM
I don't care what IGA had to say about anything. I love IGA as much as the next guy but he had nothing to do with Draculas Curse.

Also Dracula is not some magnificently crafted villain. He's as stereotypically evil as a villain can get. He was created as a five second explanation to explain why you're breaking into a castle killing monsters.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 25, 2017, 11:17:07 PM
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I don't care what IGA had to say about anything. I love IGA as much as the next guy but he had nothing to do with Draculas Curse.

Good, because that Japanese part I quoted there is a timeline summary from the original CVIII manual, down to the part of the Church only sending vampire hunters after Dracula is confirmed as a threat. Before that? Not a single word from clergymen at all, so much that Dracula managed to amass humongous power unrestrained. The manual even goes as far as stating Wallachia is Dracula's reign, implying that yeah, the people did lead a common life before his slaughter began.

Isn't research a beautiful thing? I can base my points quoting CVIII alone all day long, dude. IGA did have an involvement with the CVIII film, also written by Warren Ellis, who is writing for this. But if you want me to keep myself restrained to CVIII, I can do it.

For reference, this is the timeline summary:

(click to show/hide)

And THIS is the "boo hoo CVIII has no plot" manual story:

(click to show/hide)

Yeah. No plot at all. Reminder that this has absolutely 0% IGA in it, and that I didn't even add the tiny character description further speaking of story.

Also Dracula is not some magnificently crafted villain. He's as stereotypically evil as a villain can get. He was created as a five second explanation to explain why you're breaking into a castle killing monsters.

Nice opinion :^)

EDIT: I deleted the part saying EstebanT was moving the goalpost because I did honestly thought it was needless. But now that he has responded to it, I'm re-adding it: Yeah EstebanT is moving the goalposts; First thought my and Nagumo's opinion were silly. When I responded, said IGA's statements don't matter. When I responded presenting CVIII-only information, jumped to "yeh you're salty yeh"
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 25, 2017, 11:27:55 PM
You know that part when you mention IGA? That's the part I obviously was referring to.

Also what goalpost did I move? You are so salty. It's embarrassing to read.

No wonder the fan base is never pleased. They want to see the same shit repeat over and over for all eternity. They want the Castlevania brand to follow ancient manuals and interviews nobody's read in decades.
Castlevania will never rise from the ashes if they keep following a convoluted canon by multiple creators that always took backseat to gameplay.

People in the forms are so terrified of change that a very inoffensive change in design makes them freak out. This is not the first time I notice this either.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 25, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
You know that part when you mention IGA? That's the part I obviously was referring to.

That part wasn't meant to you, but to AlexCalvo, who is obviously speaking of IGA's canon when he adds Lisa to his argument. So yeah, your response is pretty much empty then.

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Also what goalpost did I move? You are so salty. It's embarrassing to watch.

Yeh yeh salty yeh "I have no better response" yeh

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No wonder the fan base is never pleased. They want to see the same shit repeat over and over for all eternity.

Yeah, like, remember that time they made twelve CVIII Netflix series staying true to CVIII in sequence and nobody could get anymore of it? Yeah, those were good times, man.

I'm not trying to throw vitriol at anyone dude, but what happened? I dared write five paragraphs of criticism AND collect castle images on imgur. THE NERVE!!

You're the ones who got assblasted first, not me. I actually expected my criticism to be treated like any member's here: Nobody giving a fuck, and instead offering their own on the matter. Notice up there I was pretty fine until you began treating me as some idiot.

Also: "No wonder the fan base is never pleased"

Memo is in: Most of the fanbase present on this thread is praising this and other decisions for this. I'm ONE dude, not "the fanbase", the exact reason why I don't get I can't criticise the work without being attacked for no reason. And I don't want the same shit repeating over and over -- you misunderstood that by yourself.

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They want the Castlevania brand to follow ancient manuals and interviews nobody's read in decades.

You can't say "same shit repeat over and over" implying everyone already knows it, and then say "nobody's read [the story] in decades". Nobody reading the story and therefore not knowing it is one very good reason to make it popular through a show, possibly rekindling the dying flame. The majority of the CV fanbase knows two stories only, as far as I'm aware of: LoS and SotN. LoS because it's new and cinematic, SotN because it's regarded as a legendary game.

It's also funny that you believe I want the plot to be told comma per comma the same thing. I'll let you believe that.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 26, 2017, 12:00:05 AM
I really don't have the will to argue this to the end. And you're entitled to your own opinion.

I came back to the forums after finding out about the poster to hopefully find people who are happy to see Castlevania possibly make a glorious comeback.
Instead I found people bitching about how the castle isn't the same as it was 30 years ago. If this is how the community reacts to a minor change such as that... I really don't want to see what the reaction will be to something more important like story or character designs. I guess I will go back to Reddit or the Bloodstained forums.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 26, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
I really don't have the will to argue this to the end. And you're entitled to your own opinion.

Same. It's an OPINION. And from day one, on my very first post about this subject, I did clarify it was likely to come from an early standpoint, didn't I? I like to base my points as better as possible, it's not me trying to upstage others. I've done that for years on this place. Me doing it doesn't make my opinion better or worse than anyone's, which why it hurts me to see my opinion singled out from all the others, and treated as the ravings of an imbecile.

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Instead I found people bitching about how the castle isn't the same as it was 30 years ago. If this is how the community reacts to a minor change such as that... I really don't want to see what the reaction will be to something more important like story or character designs. I guess I will go back to Reddit or the Bloodstained forums.

So you found three people here saying they dislike (and not outright "hate") the design, and you use that as a sample "for the community"?

It's not even a good sample for the Castlevania Dungeon community, dude!

Well, your vision is narrow, then. This is not really important, but for the sake of this specific discussion, I actually have access to 10,000 Castlevania fans at once, and the overwhelming majority likes this, to the point of thinking the castle looks similar to SotN's design (yeah, seriously). With all due respect, I think my sample of "the community" is better than yours, and not even this allows me to make inferences about "the community".
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: EstebanT on February 26, 2017, 12:15:02 AM

So you found three people here saying they dislike (and not outright "hate") the design, and you use that as a sample "for the community"?

It's not even a good sample for the Castlevania Dungeon community, dude!

Well, your vision is narrow, then. This is not really important, but for the sake of this specific discussion, I actually have access to 10,000 Castlevania fans at once, and the overwhelming majority likes this, to the point of thinking the castle looks similar to SotN's design (yeah, seriously). With all due respect, I think my sample of "the community" is better than yours, and not even this allows me to make inferences about "the community".

I can't argue with that. This thread is probably not representative of the community as a whole. My apologies.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on February 26, 2017, 01:31:44 AM
It may also be good to note that the main people that have a problem with this are those of us with deep-rooted involvement with the canon.

Kinda goes with the territory when you take a step back and actually look at it.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Foffy on February 26, 2017, 04:53:51 AM
Regarding the castle, I think the image looks like it's trying too hard to make it stand out. It looks like an attempt was made with the question "how do we make a castle stand out from just being a castle (fans know there's more to it as is...) to looking like a home for demonic happenings," and in that sense, I can get it.

However, that should almost immediately begin to raise questions of the themes if the series are going to be properly respected. If they're making a very "edgy" castle, who is to say the rest of the show isn't focused on being this type of dark fantasy experience? It makes me worry, for it may likely just be using the name and some themes of the IP to pitch a show. I am quite sure we'll get a random "what is a man" line, just like we did with the Lords games...

I'm not expecting much of anything with this show. The fact it was in incubation for so long should be the first red flag. Then comes the animation studio, then some staff involved. At best, I am expecting a unique 'take" on the series, but I cannot imagine it even being close to capturing the style of feel of the pre-Lords games. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Konami is overseeing this to rebrand and market the IP, just like what Capcom is doing with Mega Man and the animated show in the works as well. Maybe that should concern us more than the show itself...
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: TatteredSeraph on February 26, 2017, 10:23:40 AM
Rather than trying to pull apart evrything and read super hard into everything based on one preview poster, I think we need to wait just a little longer to get a bit more info first.  Then we can start making better and more precise jdgements on stuff, rather than tear each other apart.  Yes, we care a heck of a lot about this series (i.e the games) and we want to see our cherished games adapted well.  The makers also will likely be aware of how much legacy they have riding on their shoulders, and they won't be able to pelase absolutely everyone, at the end of the day sadly.  I'm waiting and seeing.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on February 26, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
The Castle needs more Castle.
Right now it just looks like a glorified derelict shipwreck crow's nest with extra towers added on.

I mean, I like it... I just don't think it's as large as the castles in the game.  Maybe it'll be a DrWho "Bigger on the Inside" or something, I don't know.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 26, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
I think with some more adequate scaling, the castle could've looked more "complete" while still retaining a classic Castlevania feel (eerie) rather than a slasher film ost cover.

Observe: https://instagram.com/p/BRANnzlFP8f/
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 26, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Maybe it'll be a DrWho "Bigger on the Inside" or something, I don't know.

I'm with you.

Observe: https://instagram.com/p/BRANnzlFP8f/

I prefer this one. It has the eerie feeling down.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 26, 2017, 10:59:32 PM
I prefer this one. It has the eerie feeling down.

Coming from the depths of the dungeon, that's a massive compliment. Thank you.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 26, 2017, 11:47:34 PM
I think with some more adequate scaling, the castle could've looked more "complete" while still retaining a classic Castlevania feel (eerie) rather than a slasher film ost cover.

Observe: https://instagram.com/p/BRANnzlFP8f/ (https://instagram.com/p/BRANnzlFP8f/)

Also liked your concept. I went and did my own, too:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3eHMUFb.jpg&hash=0d48efc13ec97498dd30feb1e1c88ef0)

Of course, it looks like a hack job and you can see the repeating texture everywhere or things slanted wrong. The point though was to show what I meant: Bulkier base, MANY less floating towers, keeping only one: Dracula's (like, the original appears to have SIX) and a more "compressed", shorter appearance. Also made the stairway to Dracula shorter, bringing his tower more next to the main tower. Kept two of the overly long bridges, though I'd still remove one of them maybe (the front one).

Doing this I realized that part of my issue with the original poster is that the castle looks too much like a "tower", too tall and too slim, with too much negative space, and not much like a fortress. All the unnatural hanging towers and excess of bridges contribute to enhancing the "obviously evil/supernatural" look.

This is not a genius job, this reflects MY OPINION only, and my intention is just to illustrate better what I mean, and not "do better than the person doing this".
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 27, 2017, 12:10:57 AM
Thanks Plottwist. I like your concept too. I'd even say if you deleted the 1/3 portion of the castle to the right hand side and retained the rest, that would be pretty much spot on imo.
It would also illustrate that there's an entry drawbridge and castle keep (left) ad crossing that bridge takes you into the bulk of the castle (right, underneath the blood moon.)

The top of the castle and the throne room the artist basically nailed, it's the fluff underneath which seems "eroded" that just wasn't working for me. That and what appeared to be an additional throneroom.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on February 27, 2017, 12:16:01 AM
Thanks Plottwist. I like your concept too. I'd even say if you deleted the 1/3 portion of the castle to the right hand side and retained the rest, that would be pretty much spot on imo.
It would also illustrate that there's an entry drawbridge and castle keep (left) ad crossing that bridge takes you into the bulk of the castle (right, underneath the blood moon.)

The top of the castle and the throne room the artist basically nailed, it's the fluff underneath which seems "eroded" that just wasn't working for me. That and what appeared to be an additional throneroom.

Do you know what the original poster passingly reminds me of? This:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fhk4GAbP.png&hash=1ffd37425c3c22bf5ee4126f783470cc)

But with a great deal more hanging towers.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on February 27, 2017, 12:20:57 AM
Oooh! I like plot's castle too!

I agree that the original reminds me of shovel knight too.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Foffy on February 27, 2017, 12:31:23 AM
Also liked your concept. I went and did my own, too:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3eHMUFb.jpg&hash=0d48efc13ec97498dd30feb1e1c88ef0)

Of course, it looks like a hack job and you can see the repeating texture everywhere. The point though was to show what I meant: Bulkier base, MANY less floating towers, keeping only one: Dracula's (like, the original appears to have SIX) and a more "compressed", shorter appearance. Also made the stairway to Dracula shorter, bringing his tower more next to the main tower. Kept the overly long bridges, though I'd still remove one of them maybe (the front one).

Doing this I realized that part of my issue with the original poster is that the castle looks too much like a "tower", too tall and too slim, with too much negative space, and not much like a fortress. All the hanging towers and excess of bridges contribute to enhancing the "obviously evil" look.

This is not a genius job, this reflects MY OPINION only, and my intention is just to illustrate better what I mean, and not "do better than the person doing this".

Why do you have a Midas touch? I love that edit more than the weird spiraling design we actually have.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: JR on February 27, 2017, 01:55:21 AM
The Castle needs more Castle.


I agree. It looks more like interconnected towers than a castle. And it also feels like Oprah came in and said, "every section of the castle gets a floating throooone roooooom!!"  :P

Eh, I don't know...it seems pretty consistent with the image Shankar has been trying to convey of this whole thing, so it's not surprising. At this point, I hope the show is just entertaining on its own merit.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on February 27, 2017, 02:32:16 AM
Do you know what the original poster passingly reminds me of? This:

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fhk4GAbP.png&hash=1ffd37425c3c22bf5ee4126f783470cc)

But with a great deal more hanging towers.

Man I love me some Shovel Knight
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: TheTextGuy on February 27, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
Man I love me some Shovel Knight

I dig Shovel Knight too.

Also, didn't mind the castle at first, but now I do think it looks like something you'd see in a more fantastical, supernatural type dimension, more like the one in the final boss of CV64 and less like the actual reality that the majority of CV64 (and the most of the rest of the games) take place in.  I think their idea of subtle is taking the one thing that's off about the castle normally from the outside (the hanging keep) and banging it over your head with it.  Still gonna keep on looking out for updates, but more for curiosity.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on February 27, 2017, 07:37:15 PM
I admit, the poster actually gave me the first good feeling about this project I've felt since they announced it was being made. Plot's castle is better, but still.

Also, as for it looking unreal, I must le shrug as I have a bunch of memories of the Inverted Castle and that didn't exactly obey physics either.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Briraka on March 04, 2017, 04:24:20 PM
good lord all this complaining over the castle's new design. i'd hate to have been around when the adventure came out.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U_VkhNOMj2U/hqdefault.jpg)
"what even is this shit? it looks like someone threw together some turds and gave it bridges that don't even go anywhere!"
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 04, 2017, 11:57:38 PM
good lord all this complaining over the castle's new design. i'd hate to have been around when the adventure came out.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U_VkhNOMj2U/hqdefault.jpg)
"what even is this shit? it looks like someone threw together some turds and gave it bridges that don't even go anywhere!"

You now prossess Dracula's Treehouse..
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on March 05, 2017, 01:15:25 AM
Just because an old castle design looks bad doesn't mean the design from this series is above critism. Besides, I actually like that design. It reminds me of Vampire Hunter D's castle.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on March 05, 2017, 02:47:31 AM
Just because an old castle design looks bad doesn't mean the design from this series is above critism. Besides, I actually like that design. It reminds me of Vampire Hunter D's castle.

Which one, though?

I'm assuming Lee's, since that's the OG one. I don't remember if Demon Deathchase Bloodlust featured any castles, though, and I can't recall either how far along the manga adaptation is.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Briraka on March 05, 2017, 09:02:42 AM
Just because an old castle design looks bad doesn't mean the design from this series is above critism.

never actually said anything about that, but ok then if that's how one takes satire over said criticisms.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: TatteredSeraph on March 05, 2017, 10:22:39 AM
Which one, though?

I'm assuming Lee's, since that's the OG one. I don't remember if Demon Deathchase Bloodlust featured any castles, though, and I can't recall either how far along the manga adaptation is.

Bloodlust featured Carmilla's castle of Chaythe, while the novel instead had the ending take place at a spaceport.  You don't see all of Chaythe (aside for while it's collapsing), but it's huge, and its design has lots of lots of towers and flying buttresses. 
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Nagumo on March 05, 2017, 12:41:57 PM
never actually said anything about that, but ok then if that's how one takes satire over said criticisms.

You didn't outright say so in your post but you were definitely using a whataboutism in order to deflect criticism. Even if you were just joking, that's the underling impression your post gave me.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Briraka on March 05, 2017, 02:24:33 PM
You didn't outright say so in your post but you were definitely using a whataboutism in order to deflect criticism. Even if you were just joking, that's the underling impression your post gave me.
fair enough, and in retrospect, yeah it's... idk i wasn't intending to deflect criticism, just disagreeing in a joking, sarcastic manner. i do understand the issues people would have with the castle's design from an old cannon nut perspective and/or how animated adaptions miss the mark almost always when it comes to portraying it's source material. but i'm a fan of making things over the top insane, so a metal-tastic demon castle with floating towers is right up my alley and so i wouldn't think dracula living in something like that wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility.

Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: affinity on March 07, 2017, 02:11:40 PM
good lord all this complaining over the castle's new design. i'd hate to have been around when the adventure came out.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U_VkhNOMj2U/hqdefault.jpg)
"what even is this shit? it looks like someone threw together some turds and gave it bridges that don't even go anywhere!"

LOOOOOL lolololol    I would be more hypercritical in whatever character designs and art direction, and script they have for this so called series.

the synopsis doesn't sound like it's Leon or Sonia.     though I'm sick of the usual "one hunter vs every enemy" sort of thing.  a band of hunters, a family of hunters, that hunt and fight enemies together would be way more interesting, and even give a "Aliens" feel to the series with people guessing which hunter is gonna get devoured next.

if it's just the usual one guy tearing up beasties alone, people might as well watch Berserk.  the lone hunter schtick doesn't really hold interest long compared to group of hunters.

even Trevor required assistance from at least 3 others (Alucard, Grant, Sypha) to win.

Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 07, 2017, 07:02:59 PM
That's actually the problem with adapting Castlevania. The things that make it an enjoyable game don't translate correctly to film or prose. Castlevania's excellence is derived principly from things that are rather intrinsic to gaming as a medium, and any adaptation made without them doesn't feel right but no adaptation will ever come close to hitting them on the nose either. There are many ways to make a movie, book, or series that is AKIN to Castlevania, but I feel Castlevania itself as a defined entity is intrinsically unadaptable imo.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 07, 2017, 08:14:24 PM
That's actually the problem with adapting Castlevania. The things that make it an enjoyable game don't translate correctly to film or prose. Castlevania's excellence is derived principly from things that are rather intrinsic to gaming as a medium, and any adaptation made without them doesn't feel right but no adaptation will ever come close to hitting them on the nose either. There are many ways to make a movie, book, or series that is AKIN to Castlevania, but I feel Castlevania itself as a defined entity is intrinsically unadaptable imo.

I agree. I don't believe it can't be adapted, but I think the issue with Castlevania is "someone else adapting it". (Mercury Steam was one example of a long running project which ultimately didn't end well for the series imho.) If it was a case on an in-house team of past-Konami doing something similar to what SE did with FFVII Advent Children, it could have been successful.

'Could have' being the operative term, it's clear now that Konami no longer cares so they'd probably butcher this too if it was to ever happen today. So although I don't believe this is an impossible task, I believe that right now probably isn't the best time to be doing this. Having said this, if the series turns out to be a decent and faithful adaptation then by all means I would be glad for the fans (particularly the oldschool fans).
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 08, 2017, 04:08:41 AM
I honestly think you guys are way off, Castlevania, especially Dracula's Curse, is an extremely adaptable series.  It has a story with a few broad strokes, but ample room for interpritation, a great base to build on left open enough to allow for artistic license.  It relies heavily on classic story elements, and lends itself very well to heavy action, family drama, gothic horror tropes, and has a cast of very interesting but far from fleshed out characters.  Really it's a dream to whoever is making it, the plot of cv3 is like a very vague outline of a very interesting story, with great creatures, characters, and broad strokes.  It really seems almost ready made for this kind of thing.  Now that's not to say that it couldn't be done very poorly, but even if it is that doesn't take away from the fact that it is a very adaptable game/story.  Cv1 has too little to work with, SoTN has a smidge too much, Cv3 is just right.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 08, 2017, 05:06:41 AM
I honestly think you guys are way off, Castlevania, especially Dracula's Curse, is an extremely adaptable series.  It has a story with a few broad strokes, but ample room for interpritation, a great base to build on left open enough to allow for artistic license.  It relies heavily on classic story elements, and lends itself very well to heavy action, family drama, gothic horror tropes, and has a cast of very interesting but far from fleshed out characters.  Really it's a dream to whoever is making it, the plot of cv3 is like a very vague outline of a very interesting story, with great creatures, characters, and broad strokes.  It really seems almost ready made for this kind of thing.  Now that's not to say that it couldn't be done very poorly, but even if it is that doesn't take away from the fact that it is a very adaptable game/story.  Cv1 has too little to work with, SoTN has a smidge too much, Cv3 is just right.

See I understand what you're saying, in terms of a broad and overarching story they might not botch it (though potentially leaving out Grant may prove otherwise). However, COD gave gamers more insight into Trevor's character; whereas in 8bit times we had no idea what type of personality Simon, Trevor, Grant, Sypha, etc had. At least in the game's English version, COD portrays Trevor as hot-headed and somewhat arrogant upon his first meeting with Hector. He exclaims he doesn't require help or intervention from Hector (this is of course until things develop later in the story). It's not typically what one would expect from a "hero", but it gives the character of Trevor different facets. (This is one thing I have to actually praise MoF for getting right; Trevor in general - prior to Trevorcard - his character was spot on).

I hope they find a way to bring elements like this into the series.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 08, 2017, 06:39:56 AM
While I think it would be awesome for them to incorporate elements from later games, like Trevor' s characterisation from CoD, or a reference to the events of LoI, or even a mention of "Chaos" as it relates to Dracula's power.  But we have To remember that when it comes down to it this series is an adaptation of Castlevania 3, so if it forgos any type of reference or acknowledgment of the wider continuity, especially for games that came out decades after, I wouldn't be too bothered.  If it is faithful to the original NES game I will be satisfied.

That said I am very interested to see what they will use. We already know that events from SoTN are being incorporporated, but beyond that?  I even posed this question on the Bloodstained forums in the adi shankar interview thread.

And can we drop the Grant thing already? They told us literally a decade ago that he will be in it, just not in the first 3rd.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: affinity on March 08, 2017, 09:08:54 AM
the problem with TV/movie medium, is the hollywood wannabes follow a really closed minded and boring mold, being more talk than action,

 typically glorifying a single character as the center of the universe (though the games are also guilty of this for the most part),and trying to prove themselves to be poetic narrative composers than actually focusing on matters,

which is the situation, action, travels, violence and survival aspects, not the psychological dissection of the characters and why they do the things they do.   The industry is already a cesspool of the usual tropes that waste so much time on exploring the character, instead of their situation, travels, battles and survival circumstances.

a vampire hunter doesn't need their backstory explored, nor their social skills tested to just go on a journey, survive, and slay every threat that gets in their way.

a Castlevania TV show, should be about the journey itself, the violence, the exploration, not delving deep on the characters, with contrived reasons and psychological nonsense that just gets in the way of the objective and what they are best at doing.

but yea due to how the idiots in the TV industry tells stories, now the mainstream are mindless sheep that are dependant on shows/movies force feeding them explanations and reasons for everything, as well as trivial flashbacks and soap operish nonsense that bloat stories, adventure stories in particular, with unnecessary hoopla.

a Castlevania series shouldn't be treated like a soap opera, but more of a life experience that progresses instead of explaining and examining things every step of the way, or between conflicts like some commercial that tries to remind people why the character matters and what they do matters.  That stuff is self explanatory.  but yea the industry storytelling is so screwed up and really don't know what's best.

on top of that, whether animated or live action, production companies are TOO LAZY with delivering more action scenes, and rather mostly animate the characters mouths to fill most of the show time.  it's so much easier to talk than fight, evade, and counter in various ways and using different subweapons strategically and stuff.

so the general TV show is mostly a talk a thon, and that is not suitable for a Castlevania, which are more about the journey, the fighting, the slaying and overcoming survival, than having conversations.  Even in groups of hunters, being chatty can draw more attention to them by unseen creatures and stuff and raise the likelyhood of being ambushed.  It is smart to hunt in groups, but not smart to be some nosy comedy relief character that tries to learn more about each other, when that is NOT THE POINT of being a hunter.

Very very few in the world would do a Castlevania series right, and fewer would express the authentic natural experience that vampire hunter(s) would go through in a Castlevania worthy adventure.

Also while Castlevania is known for its mostly solo hunters (mostly due to gameplay limitations), it is more natural for a vampire hunter to be accompanied by other hunters, especially considering even Belmonts are human, and the is strength in numbers.

it would be fascinating for the series have a Belmont receive the aid of other hunts along the way, and their contributes and sacrifices would add to the dread and threat level of Dracula's forces and creatures of darkness. They could travel together without prying about each others lives, and viewers could still care about the characters without them having to pull out a pendant with a photo of their relative to invoke artificial pity and emotion towards the character.

but yea who knows if they'll even get half of the things right, it remains to be seen if the character designs are even tolerable.  and if they really are committed to delivering a epic vampire hunter(s) journey to and through a castle,
or just settle with cheesy half baked fanservice that's all talk and little action.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: X on March 08, 2017, 09:43:06 AM
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See I understand what you're saying, in terms of a broad and overarching story they might not botch it (though potentially leaving out Grant may prove otherwise). However, COD gave gamers more insight into Trevor's character; whereas in 8bit times we had no idea what type of personality Simon, Trevor, Grant, Sypha, etc had. At least in the game's English version, COD portrays Trevor as hot-headed and somewhat arrogant upon his first meeting with Hector. He exclaims he doesn't require help or intervention from Hector (this is of course until things develop later in the story). It's not typically what one would expect from a "hero", but it gives the character of Trevor different facets. (This is one thing I have to actually praise MoF for getting right; Trevor in general - prior to Trevorcard - his character was spot on).

I never did like how Trevor's attitude was presented in CoD (one of the reasons I'm not fond of the game's story). Considering Trevor's family background, what he was trained for, his mission, willingly accepting help from Alucard, Grant, and Sypha, it just doesn't make sense to have him come off as arrogant. He should have had more wisdom then that. Whenever I was playing CVIII I never, ever saw Trevor as he was shown up in CoD. They're almost like two different people. If he was acting out of concern for Hector's safety then that should have been handled differently. Trevor's not the type of hero who fell from grace. That simply did not happen to him to bring about any sort of ego-inflated mindset.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on March 08, 2017, 11:25:10 AM
Good to know you consider people who value quality storytelling to give a story's action more weight as "mindless sheep."

You may kindly go make sweet passionate love a cactus, good sir.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 08, 2017, 04:29:01 PM
And can we drop the Grant thing already? They told us literally a decade ago that he will be in it, just not in the first 3rd.

Yeah well I've only learned about this 2-3 weeks ago, so please pardon me if it's come off this way - unintentional.

I never did like how Trevor's attitude was presented in CoD (one of the reasons I'm not fond of the game's story). Considering Trevor's family background, what he was trained for, his mission, willingly accepting help from Alucard, Grant, and Sypha, it just doesn't make sense to have him come off as arrogant.

Well was it helping or was it a group of wanderers winding up together out of circumstance to face Dracula? Remember Trevor actually defeats Alucard prior to him joining the squad. It's never outright told but I see it similar to how Alucard joined Sonia in Legends; they both realised they had a similar goal and so for the time being they joined forces. It could be they just wound up assisting one another without the initial intent to do so, as it happens in COD.

He should have had more wisdom then that. Whenever I was playing CVIII I never, ever saw Trevor as he was shown up in CoD. They're almost like two different people..... That simply did not happen to him to bring about any sort of ego-inflated mindset.

I disagree with this in part. The Belmonts were outcast from society and they were feared because of their abilities. However, Trevor was the only one strong enough to go and face Dracula (arguably one of the times Dracula was the most powerful) and still required the assistance of others to defeat him. How would you feel if your people made you an outcast? Where would you live, what would you do? Yet the Belmonts are trained to hunt creatures of the night, they are of a specific bloodline. The inflated ego is likely due to these factors and the fact that destroying Dracula, which nobody had done previously, was Trevor's thing (as well as others which he mentions) it's quite possible he let that go to his head, and he simply didn't want interference. He could have also thought Hector was just another enemy, like Isaac. His attitude also seems to generally match his fighting style, fierce and unrelenting.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: X on March 08, 2017, 05:50:59 PM
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He could have also thought Hector was just another enemy, like Isaac. His attitude also seems to generally match his fighting style, fierce and unrelenting.

When Hector and Trevor first met, yes I agree. Trevor only recalled the details of the second forge master after the fight. But I didn't see any reason for the attitude during their second encounter (after the fight between Trevor and Issac.) The story should have handled that scene a little differently. The final scene between Hector and Trevor in the Abandoned Castle was okay as well. Though Trevor didn't tell Hector that it was a test to see if Hector was ready to enter into the infinity corridor. And there should have been an ending conversation with the two to help round things off a bit more. To help complete the story.

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Good to know you consider people who value quality storytelling to give a story's action more weight as "mindless sheep."

You may kindly go make sweet passionate love a cactus, good sir.

For almost a month on end you've been harassing other members here with this attitude of yours. You were never this bad in the past prior to that. Did something happen to you to want to attack other people like this? Seriously it's very concerning.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on March 08, 2017, 08:38:16 PM
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but yea due to how the idiots in the TV industry tells stories, now the mainstream are mindless sheep that are dependant on shows/movies force feeding them explanations and reasons for everything, as well as trivial flashbacks and soap operish nonsense that bloat stories, adventure stories in particular, with unnecessary hoopla.

Not talking to you, X. Mind what pertains. Getting real sick of people make wide insult swathes or generalized tear-downs towards people who hold a certain opinion (most of which apply to me if you've been paying attention to what you're calling "harassment"). Whole threads were made dedicated to it. Things have come up for the series that have made the snobbish parts of the fandom rear back up, and I'm not putting up with that "only this style or whatever is 'right' for the series" bullshit. If I'm an asshole when I throw an insult or two around, then so are they.

That staff not intervening should indicate how serious or not the charges presented are, so don't worry about it. That's their concern, not yours. You're not a mod and I owe you no answers that I don't wish to disclose.

And I'll have you know I have some cactus friends that are absolute sweethearts if you can get past their prickly exterior.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: theplottwist on March 09, 2017, 12:14:32 AM
I never did like how Trevor's attitude was presented in CoD (one of the reasons I'm not fond of the game's story). Considering Trevor's family background, what he was trained for, his mission, willingly accepting help from Alucard, Grant, and Sypha, it just doesn't make sense to have him come off as arrogant. He should have had more wisdom then that. Whenever I was playing CVIII I never, ever saw Trevor as he was shown up in CoD. They're almost like two different people. If he was acting out of concern for Hector's safety then that should have been handled differently. Trevor's not the type of hero who fell from grace. That simply did not happen to him to bring about any sort of ego-inflated mindset.

What exactly is the vision you have of Trevor?

I did imagined Trevor as a tad too cocky, but his behavior comes off differently to me on CoD. There he seems to be acting tough because he doesn't fully trust Hector both due to him appearing to be too weak to be of assistance and due to him having been a servant of Dracula.

My image of Trevor's cockyness came from SotN's Fake Trevor. When you die, he does a pose that is pretty arrogant. Sure, that was not really Trevor, but they're entities impersonating the real deal, so I think they'd mimick the behavior too.

That and well, Trevor was the one to kick Dracula's ass after the people turned their backs on him. I know if everyone turned their backs on me, then came calling for my help and I did the job, I'd be PRETTY damn smug too.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Chernabogue on March 09, 2017, 05:04:39 AM
>Sees all that discussion about one poster
>Imagines what will happen when a trailer drops
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: Dracula9 on March 09, 2017, 05:06:06 AM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fbh52oKF.gif&hash=5942b0179da26b9e1f57ba9d3ea9b916)

This, most likely.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: X on March 09, 2017, 10:07:50 AM
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What exactly is the vision you have of Trevor?

A warrior who has a job to do, and has no time for self-indulgence of the arrogant nature. Because he knows that humanity's very existence is at stake (no pun intended) should he falter in the slightest. His parents would have taught him better then to submit to arrogance. Ego is not the way of a Vampire Hunter, and we can look at Reinhardt as an example of this as he mentions to Rose about how his father taught him to never attack the weak. A man who's arrogant would not care for such a small yet equally, and very important life lesson. If Trevor was arrogant then I don't see him accepting help from Grant (a man with vengeance in his heart), Sypha (a Witch), or Alucard (the very son of humanity's most hated enemy). It doesn't make a whole lot of sense in that regard. A man who's egotistical would brush their offers of aid aside and boast that he can defeat Dracula without anyone's help (which he could since he's a Belmont and it is his destiny), but Canon-wise/story-wise it doesn't happen that way.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: zangetsu468 on March 09, 2017, 07:22:46 PM
A warrior who has a job to do, and has no time for self-indulgence of the arrogant nature. Because he knows that humanity's very existence is at stake (no pun intended) should he falter in the slightest. His parents would have taught him better then to submit to arrogance. Ego is not the way of a Vampire Hunter, and we can look at Reinhardt as an example of this as he mentions to Rose about how his father taught him to never attack the weak. A man who's arrogant would not care for such a small yet equally, and very important life lesson. If Trevor was arrogant then I don't see him accepting help from Grant (a man with vengeance in his heart), Sypha (a Witch), or Alucard (the very son of humanity's most hated enemy). It doesn't make a whole lot of sense in that regard. A man who's egotistical would brush their offers of aid aside and boast that he can defeat Dracula without anyone's help (which he could since he's a Belmont and it is his destiny), but Canon-wise/story-wise it doesn't happen that way.

Or it could be simply that
a) He's arrogant by nature
b) He wound up trusting a chosen few people who wound up joining forces with him
c) He would have been suspicious af as to why there was activity in the ruins of Dracula's Castle, hence having no time to deal with Hector
d) He met Isaac with disdain as well as Hector

He wasn't picking on Hector due to his weakness, he told him to not interfere and was probably wondering wtf some random Devil Forgemaster was doing hanging around the ruins of Castlevania when there was unprecedented activity happening.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: AlexCalvo on March 13, 2017, 06:36:19 AM
I just wanted to throw a little more optimism out their...  Everyone is talking about how terrible most video game adaptations are, almost universally referring to movies.  But have you guys actually checked out the video game web-series adaptations that have come out over the past few years?  Surprisingly, they are pretty excellent.  Actually when it comes to adapting  video games into online series, I'd say the track record is pretty great.

You guys ever watched Mortal Kombat Legacy?  If nothing else, just watch the Sub-Zero and Scorpion episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y51YUD5oEtw&list=PL_AYqxzHii9gY9V3O9yK2Chs84FeimIsm (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y51YUD5oEtw&list=PL_AYqxzHii9gY9V3O9yK2Chs84FeimIsm)

And though the full series is no longer available on youtube I highly recommend you hunt down Halo: Forward Unto Dawn, it's one of the best video game adaptations literally ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ISq47zUB0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ISq47zUB0)


And let's also take a moment to appreciate Ardi Shankar's work.  Any punisher fans on here?  His Punisher short "Dirty Laundry" shows us how he uses violence in his work, in a way that while maybe a step above what people might expect, works in the context of what he is doing, and is not what I would call gratuitous (for the punisher anyway).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc)

His adaptation of Dredd is even better example, if you haven't seen it you should, it is one of the most faithful comic adaptations to date, and captures the character as perfectly as any adaption ever has.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-eI5oLlIeY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-eI5oLlIeY)


Hopefully this will make some people feel better, and get the already hyped, ever more hyped.  Optimism out.
Title: Re: Castlevania Animated Series to be on Netflix?!
Post by: affinity on March 16, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
wat those examples dont even have a fraction of the genius and uniqueness the Castlevania series have.  it's so much easier to mess a Castlevania tv series up, like considering even LoS games are an example how western developers don't even have a clue what makes Castlevania, castlevania, and are blind to the lines that determine innovation that is acceptable, and fundamentals that are essential for the series to be genuine to the source material and deserve the Castlevania brand.
the LoS developers didn't even respect the canon timeline, they attempted to just reboot the series, which is wasteful and offensive to developers that made the previous Castlevanias that already established a foundation to build on.

one good example of a developer that understood Castlevania (at least the metroidvania kind) more than others outside of IGA, are the developers of Circle of the Moon, which fans may argue is not canon, but still regarded as a worthy Castlevania.   and while Castlevania Legends had some story flaws that conflicted with certain historical and relations things, it still is a worthy Castlevania that can stand as its own reality and timeline.

and I seen both the animated MK series and live action MK series, and they are both awful and even the movies don't accurately express the violence and atmosphere the source material is known for.   they made it too much into a soap opera, when MK is primarily about tournament fighting, and if not that, then a more dedicated action packed conflict between realms. the street fighter and Darkstalkers shows were literally a parody of themselves, awful also.

Halo is dull sci fi that profitted from the sources its copied from such as Starship Troopers, Aliens, and other military sci fi things, it's so easy to get its fans hyped with general sci fi tropes mixed into whatever media they make.

optimism is ok,  Castlevania tv show should get room to prove itself,  though they have an opportunity to make a an outstanding series that fans could actually be hyped for, rather than something that is an embarrassment.

also, it doesn't matter if those developers played and beat every single Castlevania and still play them, they can still be clueless. Look at the developers of that Golden Axe prequel game (Beast Rider was it?),   they have the official Golden Axe arcade cabinet in their office, have history of playing the games, and what have they learned? what was their direction for the new game?

* made the game single player only (when the games were known for their local co op)
* only one playable character (and they cut Tyris Flare's hair, which is one of the stupidest design decisions ever)
* much of the budget was spent on storytelling than a game that's as replayable, cooperative and entertaining like the classics.

and that game was a disaster, those devs aren't heard from again.  and they had the nerve before launch saying that if the game sells well, they will add co op to the sequel.  WTF.    totally clueless developers that favored graphics, narrative and cinematics over game series fundamentals.

so yea, it's natural for Castlevania fans to not be so thrilled about the tv series unless it proves to be something significant and Castlevania faithful, and have the right direction to make Castlevania even more celebrated.