Topic: Osama is dead

[Kale]

You're acting like it was Obama that did it. It was the soldiers, give credit where it's due.

You misinterpreted me Kale. I know very well that it was the soldiers that delivered the Coup de grâce (unless the President himself knew where Bin laden was hiding, whet there and delivered the shot himself). But It happened in the Obama administration and not the Bush administration.

-X

Nah I didn't mean that specifically, but Obama wasn't really even the one who first sent the troops over. It was Bush, not that I'd give him credit for it either, unless either of them had to do with finding him or participating in the raid. I got what you mean though, i just want to be snarky about it.

But I wonder if this would really do anything to the "terrorism."

[Oralox]

you guys...lol

Osama Bin Laden - We got him! (South Park)

[Ridureyu]

Bush gets some credit, too. he aid the groundwork and stared he big hunt.  Obama got the finalbits of intel and ordered the hit.  There's honestly a LOT of creditto go around, and I'm all for non-politically praising people.

I mean, if SEAN HANNITY could say "Thank you, President Obama.  Thank you." today on the air, then I thin we could do this without getting political.

[uzo]

SEAN HANNITY

You a New Yorker?

[X]

But I wonder if this would really do anything to the "terrorism."

I don't think so. Terrorism or 'tyranny' is a state of mind and as such, is not limited to one individual. Losing Osama Bin-Laden may have dealt a serious blow to al-Qaeda and the Taliban, but the treat is still out there. So long as people are driven by hate, terrorism will still exist. In order to stop terrorism you need to change their ideologies (easier said then done, I know).

-X

[Kale]

I meant this specific reign of terrorism? I guess you could call it, not all terrorist acts.

[JR]

I'm guessing it'll kill morale in the short term, but it could embolden others to attack, too, so I dunno. I don't think Bin Laden being dead will really hurt Al-Qaeda's ability to plan or carry out major terrorist acts in the future, but I sure as hell hope I'm wrong.

[Joachim]

If Obama doesn't get credit for killing Osama (because he ordered the attack, but didn't carry it out personally), does that mean Osama doesn't get credit for 9/11 (because he ordered the attack, but didn't carry it out personally)?

[X]

If Obama doesn't get credit for killing Osama (because he ordered the attack, but didn't carry it out personally), does that mean Osama doesn't get credit for 9/11 (because he ordered the attack, but didn't carry it out personally)?

I think Osama would take credit for 9/11 since those who flew the airplanes, died.

-X

[uzo]

I think Osama would take credit for 9/11 since those who flew the airplanes, died.

-X

No, that doesn't make sense.

If Obama doesn't get credit for killing Osama (because he ordered the attack, but didn't carry it out personally), does that mean Osama doesn't get credit for 9/11 (because he ordered the attack, but didn't carry it out personally)?

That would correct, except that is not the case.

The reason Obama can't have full credit is because this has been in the works since before he became president. Not to mention the leg work and planning was all done by the military. Obama got the final report about what was going on, and said "Yeah, go ahead with it." That's where his actual involvement started and ended. The military get's the far majority credit on this one.

Osama on the other hand had helped plan, from the very beginning, and had an active role in achieving their goal.

[Gunlord]

To be fair, Uzo, while I agree broadly with your point, I don't think just saying "yeah, go ahead with it" is all Obama-sama did. From what I've heard, he was fairly proactive in talking with his advisors, meeting with top officials and specialists over what the details of the plan would be and the pros and cons of carrying it out, and at least gathering information to make an informed judgment of whether or not the risks were worth the reward, which in this case turned out to be the right call. In this instance, I think he showed good leadership beyond simply just saying "go ahead with it," though of course as you said, the military deserves the lion's share of the credit.

[Joachim]

in the works since before he became president.

Bush stopped caring about Osama not even 6 months after 9/11 (quote: "To be honest, I don't really think about him much anymore"); he was focused on Iraq, not Afghanistan or Osama. It was in the works in the sense that the "war" was in the works, but it had hardly made much of any progress in quite some time.

The reason Obama can't have full credit

I'm not saying he should have full credit. I'm saying he deserves more credit than many conservatives are giving him, and that its uneven just how much credit osama gets for 9/11 compared to how much obama gets for taking him down.