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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: OldSchoolArikado on April 06, 2020, 07:38:42 PM
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Hi guys:
In the Castlevania wiki look for info about Simon Belmont and this says that he was 22 years old at the time of his battle against Dracula, but I can not find any information about it on the web
Someone knows something about it?
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Someone mentions here on gamefaqs https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/578318-castlevania/67011503 that Simon is 24 years old. but whether 22 or 24 he still a young man (by modern standards).
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Someone mentions here on gamefaqs https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/578318-castlevania/67011503 that Simon is 24 years old. but whether 22 or 24 he still a young man (by modern standards).
Still sort of young by 17th century standards as well. Life expectancy by then had progressed enough that people were regularly living into their 40's and 50's, even in middle class families. Hell, if you were rich and lived in a well-to-do city, you could actually live into your 70's without anyone being too surprised.
What I guess I'm saying is that there is a real chance that Juste Belmont could have grown up on granddaddy Simon's knee and at least begun his training under the watchful eye of The Legend Himself because there's only 57 years between Castlevania 1 and Harmony of Dissonance and Simon M. Belmont (the M stands for MANLY) wasn't just any run of the mill bro. This was a bro who had personally whipped Death Himself to death TWICE. Skull and Scythe probably was legit scared to try to collect.
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Simon's age is mentioned in the Order of Ecclesia Bradygames Official Guide. He's supposed to be 23, not 22.
Here you go. (click for better quality)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hEpA9n/Order_of_Ecclesia_Brady_Games_Guide.png) (https://ibb.co/cqkiUn)
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Simon's age is mentioned in the Order of Ecclesia Bradygames Official Guide. He's supposed to be 23, not 22.
Isn't any info gleaned out of Judgement dubious at best?
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Isn't any info gleaned out of Judgement dubious at best?
Well, let me put it this way: this info is legitimate if you accept Judgment's interpretation of the IGA canon as legitimate. The question is whether or not later games (i.e. Grimoire of Souls) work with this interpretation or if they substituted it with a different one. There are hints the latter might be the case but it's too early to say for sure. But even then, whether or not that makes Judgment's interpretation "less true" than Grimoire's is something that everyone only can decide for themselves.
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Simon's age is mentioned in the Order of Ecclesia Bradygames Official Guide. He's supposed to be 23, not 22.
Many thanks!
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Isn't any info gleaned out of Judgement dubious at best?
I'd say it is. The whole game is pretty much dubious in my mind. Best to take anything from Judgement with a tremendous helping of salt.
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I don't see why Igarashi would be an authority on Simon Belmont either. It's not like he created the character.
I'm guessing Simon was given an age retroactively. Konami probably didn't even think about it at the beginning.
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I don't see why Igarashi would be an authority on Simon Belmont either. It's not like he created the character.
I'm guessing Simon was given an age retroactively. Konami probably didn't even think about it at the beginning.
Well yeah, info likes this obviously only applies to IGA's interpretation of the timeline (he directed the game after all). The Castlevania series doesn't consist of One-Never-Changing-Canon. Despite that common fan discourse seems to follow the above idea, canon is only something that really matters on a game-by-game basis ("So X game acknowledges games A and B, but not games C and D? Ok, got it"). Judgment, taken on its own, is obviously meant to tie in with all the games that are part of IGA's timeline. So as far as IGA's interpretation of the Castlevania universe is concerned, Simon really is 23 years old. Other people who worked on the franchise in the past on who will work on it the future are not beholden to IGA's interpretation because his vision is simply one of many.
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23 in that interim period between CV1 and 2.
I take Judgement as "canon unless it contradicts something from other game". Since nothing really does, i take it as canon
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I don't see why Igarashi would be an authority on Simon Belmont either. It's not like he created the character.
Well IGA did helm the entire series back in the early to mid 2000s, and props to him for even TRYING to make a coherent storyline out of the games when nobody would, I will always respect him for that and thus I hold his timeline as the canon one and if he says Simon is 23 than I'll accept that definitely.
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The Simon in CVJudgment is the Simon from 'after' the events of Simon's Quest.
It's likely that he's 22 during Simon's Quest, and 23 during Judgment.
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The Simon in CVJudgment is the Simon from 'after' the events of Simon's Quest.
It's likely that he's 22 during Simon's Quest, and 23 during Judgment.
That means he'd be a teenager (16 from Judgment, 15 from Simon's Quest) in the original CV when he faced Dracula for the first time. But I guess that's correct since in the story of Belmont's revenge, Soleiyu came of age at 15 in terms of being ready for official vampire hunting. For Simon though, talk about Trial by Fire.
I take Judgement as "canon unless it contradicts something from other game". Since nothing really does, i take it as canon
There is the nonsensical love triangle between Grant, Trevor, and Sypha that was non-existent in the original CV 3 game. Like I said before 'Best to take anything from Judgement with a tremendous helping of salt.'
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i wouldn't say it's nosensical considering the only CV3 with any characterization are Trevor and Alucard. Grant feelings about Sypha very well could have happened.
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I'd say it is possible knowing human behaviour, but very, very negligible. The story for CV3 and the character bios do not even hint at such a relationship. We also have to take in the fact that Grant was driven by revenge for the murder of his family by Dracula's forces, and cursed by the King of Vampires himself. In such a light Grant would have absolutely no feelings whatsoever for Sypha, or any other woman. He's not interested in pursuing relations with the opposite sex. He has a vendetta against Dracula. Besides which Sypha had kept her identity a secret until after Dracula's defeat (according to CV3's ending), and was drawn to Trevor by the end of the game. In light of this evidence there is no room for a supposed love triangle. That was just writers of Judgement pulling out the ole outdated/overused Victorian story trope to try and make things more interesting for that particular game.
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The "grant falls in love with sypha" thing would obviously happen during the game events. The game doesn't even have Sypha/Grant dialogue because Trevor is a fixed partner, but the canon is that the FOUR characters were together. It doesn't contradict anything in the game, it expands.
Your argument would be better using Maria obsession with tits than with the love triangle, and even then...
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Grant having feelings for Sypha is one of those things you can't really confirm or deny when taking CV3 in isolation. It in the end, it all comes down to personal interpretation. Besides, doesn't the game take place over the span of like a couple of hours? The characters developing feelings for each other probably didn't happen until the game was over anyway.
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Grant having feelings for Sypha is one of those things you can't really confirm or deny when taking CV3 in isolation. It in the end, it all comes down to personal interpretation. Besides, doesn't the game take place over the span of like a couple of hours? The characters developing feelings for each other probably didn't happen until the game was over anyway.
I always saw the games taking place over several weeks, personally. The castle is ginormous, after all - why could it not be bigger on the inside than the outside? It is a creature of Chaos, after all. Furthermore, the dialogue in Dawn of Sorrow does suggest a bigger time span between the talks. Of course, this could be just Dawn of Sorrow, but that's how I always saw it.
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More than just that, you spend most of the game outside the castle.
Ultimately, i'm not saying that JUDGEMENT IS CANON, PERIOD. All i'm saying is that i interpret it as canon because at least imo, nothing there contradicts canon. It's just that for many old characters, that's the only source of "personality" they have. Judgement and GoS are all Simon has (maybe SMB idk if people talk there), Sypha didn't have anything else until the show and that's it's own universe (Well....outside the pachislot...erotic violence baby)
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Besides, doesn't the game take place over the span of like a couple of hours?
It would realistically. The castle is big however the trek to the castle and fighting there way to Dracula within the castle itself happened all in one night. It's way easier for a small group to infiltrate an enemy fortress then an entire army. especially if the four hunters are all aces of their professions.
The "grant falls in love with sypha" thing would obviously happen during the game events. The game doesn't even have Sypha/Grant dialogue because Trevor is a fixed partner, but the canon is that the FOUR characters were together.
Yes all four character were together. There is no debating that fact. However as I said before Sypha kept her identity a secret till the end of the game regardless. And we only see her drawn to Trevor.
It doesn't contradict anything in the game, it expands.
It does expand the story, yes, but in a bad way that I personally don't agree with as it feels shoehorned and amateurish. Until an official source (outside of Judgement) dictates otherwise the love triangle thing never happened.
Your argument would be better using Maria obsession with tits than with the love triangle, and even then...
I have no idea where you're going with this. If we're having a discussion then let's have a discussion. But no confrontation. That's not why we're here and I won't participate in that.
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It does expand the story, yes, but in a bad way that I personally don't agree with as it feels shoehorned and amateurish
Exactly. Your opinion. As others have said you can't disregard it on CV3 alone
I have no idea where you're going with this.
You'd make a better argument saying that Maria boob obssession doesn't make sense given her characterization when younger and older.... But then again, when younger she must not have given a shit about tits and when older she got huge ones so you can still fit that in.
Ultimately, like it or not, Judgement was written to be able to fit inside canon given the game decanonizes its own events at the endings. And from a meta perspective, it shows what kind of views IGA had regarding the characters personalities and their respective stories.
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It does expand the story, yes, but in a bad way that I personally don't agree with
Hmm...
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You'd make a better argument saying that Maria boob obssession doesn't make sense given her characterization when younger and older.... But then again, when younger she must not have given a shit about tits and when older she got huge ones so you can still fit that in.
Oh- Ohhhhhhhhh! That thing! lol. Ya know, I'd completely forgot about that segment of the game till it creeped up on me now. Thanks for the reminder. But as ridiculous as that was (for multiple reasons) it just doesn't seem as offensive as the love triangle. Love triangles really grind my gears to no end. There is always one person whom gets hurt in such scenarios and it is that reason alone that I truly despise them. To add more salt, lemon juice, and phosphorous on the wound they forced it into CV3's story when it was never there to begin with. My apologies SecretWeapon but I have to stick to my guns (opinion) on Judgement's additions to an already established game story. Besides Judgement is an IGA game were-as CVIII came out long before he ever took control/worked on he series or was even at Konami.
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Are we getting into alternate timelines? The original premise for Blood Moon followed the bad ending of CV2, where he died. Hence beginning in a cemetery at an open grave.
Not canon? Whataya mean it's not canon?!
They're talking about freakin Judgement and you're worried about hacks being canon? >:(
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Anyway Simon depiction in grimoire or smash looks a lot older than 23, more like 30/35 or even older.
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Back in the day people did look older then their years would imply and that's due to things like poor diet, living conditions, etc. At least for those not privileged like the upper class. Nowadays due to better diet, better living conditions, healthcare products, etc. people look younger despite their years.