The Toymaker seems to be hanging around in the background in MoF, after all, you see him during Trevor's section after the Daemon Lord is defeated by Trevor.That's true, but there's also the whole part about how he locked his heart away from Walter and went into slumber because of that. If he had his heart hidden and he went into slumber because of Walter, why did appear in MoF and why does he know about the events of MoF. The whole puppet play was to accent the tragic story of the Toymaker, making his "awakening" seem like it's been SINCE he went into slumber from Walter(which would predate the first LoS), but he obviously had to have been awake afterwards to have appeared in MoS and know of Gabula(which he obviously did). That only begs the question, why stress the reason why he was asleep(in the play) was NOT the reason he was asleep in LoS2? It WAS the initial event of slumber, but that wasn't important, given he DID awaken to loom over in the shadows in MoF, then for some strange reason, put himself to sleep again(in which he'd be awaken from in LoS2).
That's true, but there's also the whole part about how he locked his heart away from Walter and went into slumber because of that. If he had his heart hidden and he went into slumber because of Walter, why did appear in MoF and why does he know about the events of MoF. The whole puppet play was to accent the tragic story of the Toymaker, making his "awakening" seem like it's been SINCE he went into slumber from Walter(which would predate the first LoS), but he obviously had to have been awake afterwards to have appeared in MoS and know of Gabula(which he obviously did). That only begs the question, why stress the reason why he was asleep(in the play) was NOT the reason he was asleep in LoS2? It WAS the initial event of slumber, but that wasn't important, given he DID awaken to loom over in the shadows in MoF, then for some strange reason, put himself to sleep again(in which he'd be awaken from in LoS2).I kind of get the feeling that despite how MS built up our hopes and anticipation for LoS2, they didn't really care about the game or the story that much. It's probably why we got that shitty ambiguous ending.
Don't forget how he looked in MoF was similar to how he looked when possessed by the castle's blood. Really, I love his design(probably my favorite in all of the LoS games), but they could've written his background a little better. It's kinda like what I was talking about in the other thread regarding continuity. If you are going to write a character's complete story/background, get it squared away and don't introduce new things as you along.
Heck they never explained why Gabriel was going around upgrading the Combat Cross in the first place or how he knew about it.How do classic belmonts upgrade their whip from leather to a flail, to a chain whip? :P
1. The reason why the Vampire Killer was the most powerful weapon in the trilogy (and the only weapon capable of killing a true immortal like Dracula) is beacuse the weapons was forged from one of the nails that was used to crucify Jesus, says so right in the travelbook oin the first game. So essentially it would make sense that the VK is the ultimate symbol of god and everything holy, it had the blood of said god/jesus assmiliatted into it (sorta) therefor his/her/its power as well, the upgrades just made it better.Well, jeez.
they shoulda just never had Gabrian shatter the CC in the DLC cuz TBH it didnt make sense AFAIK and IIRC Zobek shouldnt have been able to touch it let alone rebuild it YGWIS?
the Necronomnomicon in MOF says his master desired Trevo's CC but for what purpose? Zobek already had the original. theres another plothole (inb4 random explanation "well maybe he needed it to see how to accurately reconstruct the original" blah blah, thats just nonsense lol)
i woulda preferred Gabrian CC being passed down the bloodline, with a "the weapon I once used, is now used against me" context. tragic irony/poetic justice, ya know? and that idea is infinitely better than the "multiple copies" poppycock that was in this saga
Simple. It's in their blood. Even before becoming a vampire, Gabriel was able to take down the Lords of Shadow. Something no one else could do. Not to mention that he, a mere mortal, defeated Satan. It would seem that he and his bloodline were chosen by God (or whoever).
Also, If the Holy Order's weapons don't work on Drac, how could Simon and Alucard defeat Dracula?
Well, not to be an asshole, but Nails used to Crucify Martyrs =/= Jesus. I dunno why the misconception of Jesus being the only one crucified even exists.I think it's the fact of them specifically being the ones used to crucify Jesus.
Also, If the Holy Order's weapons don't work on Drac, how could Simon and Alucard defeat Dracula?
Also, If the Holy Order's weapons don't work on Drac, how could Simon and Alucard defeat Dracula?Because they can't. Remember, Dracula is not immortal in the sense that nothing could kill him, but in the sense that he will ALWAYS come back, unless the Vk is used.
The Devil's Mask is not a plothole. Cox said in twitter that a Necromancer uses an object to place his soul to return. Yes, like Voldemort does. The Devil's Mask was Zobek's "horocrux". That's how he came back. It can be especulated that he's not dead by LoS2 ending as he could have another "horocrux" (The Vampire Killer?)
gotta love them Cronqvist Warlord Chromosones
biggest plothole of all:
"BREAK THE CURSE OF IMMORTALITY"
The suppose 'reasoning' for this that I imagine that was come up with is that by the end, as Gabriel and Alucard have found that they now have something to live for - family - their immortality is no longer a curse to them, a bind that they previously both wanted out of.be nice if the game mentioned that.
be nice if the game mentioned that.
The biggest one of all, after spending hundreds of years yearning to die, why all of the sudden is Gabula is just "Cool" with being immortal at the end?I know what you mean. I guess you could say that Gabula underwent some sort of redemption and came out at piece with himself. No longer letting fate/destiny dictate his path. Plus, now he has an eternity to spend with his son. Keep in mind, that I think that it was a sh!tty end and that Gabula should have just died at the end.
This was a man whom everything was taken away from him and he has become a monster, yet he is god's chosen.
I think LoS2 severely lacked the needed anger at god that Dracula should have had.
The biggest one of all, after spending hundreds of years yearning to die, why all of the sudden is Gabula is just "Cool" with being immortal at the end?
This was a man whom everything was taken away from him and he has become a monster, yet he is god's chosen.
I think LoS2 severely lacked the needed anger at god that Dracula should have had.
The biggest one of all, after spending hundreds of years yearning to die, why all of the sudden is Gabula is just "Cool" with being immortal at the end?"Remember, after all this is over, choose your family".
Speaking of which, where was God in the 2nd game? Why did they leave him out and replace him with "fate?" Was it too un-mainstream to have God be a directing force in a game like the first one? Having the whole "fate" spiel was so cliche and boring. :-\
"Remember, after all this is over, choose your family".
Marie is his family too. That could have just meant don't give into the evil Dracula blood again.Well, Marie is in heaven and happy, Alucard is still on earth, cursed, and never had a father. I think Trevor needs him more than with Marie. Unless they both kill themselvs to be "free" which is, well, disturbing lol
Also, remember this line from the first game?
"It is what is in men's hearts that He cares about. He loves you as He loves me. We have only to ask for forgiveness deep within ourselves and be welcomed back."
I was SO expecting that to be a central, underlying theme in the 2nd game, where perhaps Dracula realizes that he does, in fact, care about the world.
think executives had something to do with it.Yeah. Alvarez. He IS the executives.
Yeah. Alvarez. He IS the executives.
If what that guy said is the way it went, then after LoS1 hit big, it went to his head and his 'vision' of some epic is what ended up ruining the game due to the clashes with everyone else.
It IS possible that LoS1 was a fluke on Alvarez' part. Also, LoS1 had 3 writers aside from Alvarez, including Eddie Deighton and Dave Cox himself. I don't know about Eddie, but Cox at least is the CV fan in that lineup. he's also the Konami supervisor, so i imagine his opinions hold weight, even over Alvarez.
From the looks of it however, and I can't find any info on this- but it seems like LoS2 might have been written entirely by Alvarez himself. the story definitely FEELS like something that would happen when there's only one writer and no others to check and edit the work. LoS1 has a nicely crafted plot and storyline, and the writing is pretty good. there was a TEAM working on that script and story. MoF had a TEAM of at least 2 people writing, once again including Dave Cox, who along with Jose Luis Márquez, are both Castlevania fans. MoF is a simpler game, and also, despite it's TWEESTS and whatnot, is when you think about it, a very simple plot, that 2 people can definitely make work.
LoS2 meanwhile, definitely would have needed at least 3 people again, maybe even 1 more, given the scope of the now established plotline, and the fact that it was a closing game.
When Dracula is arguing with Alucard about all their plan and before he`s impaled with the crissaegrim he said if he dies some one else will just take his place as the evil that reign. With Satan and Zobek dead He prob`lly can`t die for the same reason, if he does some one else will take his place anyways and that`s maybe Drac and Al way to keep evil on watch and controlled.
so who wrote that book that Dracula reads in the third act so he can recall his past? and why is it conveniently placed behind the throne room? who put it there?Dracula probably. It's probably his chronicles or some shit.
Yeah. Alvarez. He IS the executives.
If what that guy said is the way it went, then after LoS1 hit big, it went to his head and his 'vision' of some epic is what ended up ruining the game due to the clashes with everyone else.
It IS possible that LoS1 was a fluke on Alvarez' part. Also, LoS1 had 3 writers aside from Alvarez, including Eddie Deighton and Dave Cox himself. I don't know about Eddie, but Cox at least is the CV fan in that lineup. he's also the Konami supervisor, so i imagine his opinions hold weight, even over Alvarez.
From the looks of it however, and I can't find any info on this- but it seems like LoS2 might have been written entirely by Alvarez himself. the story definitely FEELS like something that would happen when there's only one writer and no others to check and edit the work. LoS1 has a nicely crafted plot and storyline, and the writing is pretty good. there was a TEAM working on that script and story. MoF had a TEAM of at least 2 people writing, once again including Dave Cox, who along with Jose Luis Márquez, are both Castlevania fans. MoF is a simpler game, and also, despite it's TWEESTS and whatnot, is when you think about it, a very simple plot, that 2 people can definitely make work.
LoS2 meanwhile, definitely would have needed at least 3 people again, maybe even 1 more, given the scope of the now established plotline, and the fact that it was a closing game.
Dracula probably. It's probably his chronicles or some shit.
Man, now I want to see what's in there. It would be interesting to see what this Dracula has been through after Mirror of Fate.
It would just probably sayI think he wrote that on the walls of the Forbidden Wing with his blood.
Dear Diary,
I HATE MY LIFE!
Or something along that line. He might expound a bit and put on some angsty reactions.
I think he wrote that on the walls of the Forbidden Wing with his blood.The walls of the forbidden wing were more about revenge and "GABRIEL BELMONT IS DEAD" kind of stuff.
it would have been phat if the toy maker's role was larger to the plot. like, having inventing a specific device to seal stan away for good, explaining why Dracula had to reawaken him (other than retrieving a shard of the mirror). instead we get wasted potential with the acolytes. by the way where is the lost soul
1 of the acolytes couldve even had the last name "cronqvist," wouldve been a cool ironic twist
Perhaps he creates a teleporter that allows Dracula entry into Castle Pandemonium (fanfic here) where Dracula, Alucard, and Victor face off against Lucifer.Really, the whole Castle Pandemonium thing was a lost opportunity. Given the fact this is Castlevania, having the final stretch of the LoS series's climax be in an actual CASTLE, let alone a "Demon Castle" of Lucifer(maybe a mocking manifestation Dracula's own castle, as created by Lucifer) would've been great.
Really, the whole Castle Pandemonium thing was a lost opportunity. Given the fact this is Castlevania, having the final stretch of the LoS series's climax be in an actual CASTLE, let alone a "Demon Castle" of Lucifer(maybe a mocking manifestation Dracula's own castle, as created by Lucifer) would've been great.