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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Fan Stuff => Topic started by: actionfence on October 05, 2007, 12:04:59 AM
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Okay so I got bored and decided to do a Belmont Family Tree.
Take into account a few things before harsh criticism.
1) Yeah, I know it's ugly
2) I added the canon and the non-canon
3) With non-canon in play, and with no other sources to help, either Zoe, Dolores, or Desmond are parent to Simon, thus the short line above Simon.
Yay for no life and Ubergeekdom.
EDIT: Only problems I had with the non-canon is:
1) There is only one Vampire Killer whip, so how did Schneider and Graves each have it?
2) (Not really a problem but...) The reason that Quincey Morris didn't kill Drac with a whip is cause Victor Belmont had it, and at some point gave it to John Morris.
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Isn't lisa's last name farenheights?
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In Reply To #2
I don't remember. It's been forever and a day ago that I played Symphony, but everywhere that I looked up information from, just call her Lisa, with no last name.
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In Reply To #1
Graves and Shnieder both had it because neither are canon. And Victor having the whip messes with the continuity of the Belmont's not being able to use it until 1999.
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In Reply To #1
Graves and Shnieder both had it because neither are canon. And Victor having the whip messes with the continuity of the Belmont's not being able to use it until 1999.
...except when they DID have it, they WERE in canon.
Let's not forget that the whole 1999 thing didn't come about until AFTER IGA got control of the series...which means using a "chicken before the egg" argument doesn't work so well.
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ooo its a nice one. Clear and all. Just wish it had pictures, maybe the ones taht Jorge made, if he would allow it.
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You forgot to put Lydie Elranger with Juste.
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You forgot to put Lydie Elranger with Juste.
Oooh, thank you... Haven't played Harmony, really yet. Time to edit again. And I found a place I need to fix anyway.
EDIT: Actually I just asked him to use his work, and he gave me permission, but, ya know, I think I'll just draw, to keep the inconsistancies(sp?) down. Where I'll have a pic from him, then a pic from the comic, then a pic in the anime
style, then a pic... you get the picture.
EDIT 2: Well, got the first 2 Belmonts done...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Faction_fence%2F1094-leon.PNG&hash=017d58b707de13b862727a93f1aad9a2)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Faction_fence%2F1450-sonia.PNG&hash=e219f79bd4ec48103f2d7b4410c5dc3f)
Didn't have the attention span to do a third tonight.
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In Reply To #1
Graves and Shnieder both had it because neither are canon.
Actually, it's been stated that the whip Graves uses is not the true Vampire Killer whip. Don't ask me how, but I've read it in several places.
Schneider is Richter's grandson (I would guess by a Belmont daughter) if you go chronologically. If you're gonna use Sonia when she's not officially canon, then you might as well have him in there too.
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In Reply To #8
damn dude those drawings are sweet. Good job and nice idea of using your own for the timeline so it all matches in style.
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The reason people say Graves didn't have the Vampire Killer is because everywhere in the game his whip is called "The Hunter Whip".
And Victor is the one who messes up the continuity not Jonathan... Victor's game got cancelled! IT NEVER EXISTED IN THE CONTINUITY! So no, IGA did not mess that up.
And no, I don't think CoTM was ever meant to fit into the canon of Cv. It is pretty obvious that the team decided to just make a really fun game with the same setting and atmosphere of the other games, without consulting the timeline at all. I LOVE CoTM... but anyone who thinks it ever really even tried to fit into the canon storyline is just fooling themselves.
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Indeed, the pics you drew are awesome! I didn't get what you meant by inconsistancy since Jorge drew like all the characters and such...... (or alot of them aleast.) So why would you need to get things from teh comic?
And yea.... Cotm had nice atmosphere and art.
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Being this is all theory, and in the first post I stated that I was putting the non-canon hand-in-hand with the canon, and having new information brought to my attention...
Reinhardt Schneider is Richter's grandson. Richter had at least 2 children. One being a daughter who married Michael Gelhart Schneider, they had a son Reinhardt Schneider before the other of Richter's kids had a kid, giving the Vampire Killer to Reinhardt. Reinhardt going by chronological order would be Victor's uncle. (yes I know Victor's game was cancelled... But he was still created, and this is afterall a fanfic type thing.) Reinhardt not having a kid, hands the Vampire Killer off to Victor, Victor being the coward he was (taking information about him, not the game) Victor just holds onto the Vampire Killer until hearing of Quincey Morris' problem with Dracula. When Victor finally makes it to Quincey Dracula is already dead, and Quincy is dying. After the funeral Victor hands the whip off to John, telling him of the lineage of the Belmonts. Then the Morris' have the whip until Julius has need for it(until Konami decides to change that).
The Morris' had to have split off a while back, being Quincey didn't have any idea what to do about Dracula. Either split off way back or his family didn't want to talk of the Belmonts or Dracula. Every family has a black sheep.
And in confusion to Post #11
Who said IGA messed up with Victor and Jonathan?
And I know the game got cancelled, but that doesn't change the fact that the character was made.
I said that there was non-canon in this.
And thanks for pointing out that Nathan had the "Hunter's Whip"
Responding to Post #12
From the comic I would need Illyana Riktor, I would need Serena from Haunted Castle, Zoe and Dolores from Order of Shadows, Lydie Erlange from Harmony of Dissonance, Lisa from Symphony of the Night, Camilla from Castlevania 64, Annette from Rondo of Blood, Morris from Circle of the Moon, Victor from Castlevania Resurrection, (and if there is even a source picture of him) Michael Gelhart Schneider (Reinhardt's father)
EDIT: Depending on the responces I get... Should I show the Tree with Reinhardt a direct grandson of Richter, or have the Schneiders a split family off of the main tree?
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The Morris' had to have split off a while back, being Quincey didn't have any idea what to do about Dracula.
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Also, you forgot Charlotte Aulin, who is a descendant from the Belnades clan.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if she was or not.
And about the Bloodletting characters, I wasn't sure if Hanz was a Belmont or not, and arent the other 2 just Richter and Maria?
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In Reply To #14
Where did you see this real official family tree? I have not seen anything that confirms that Charlette is a Belnades.
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In Reply To #16
Nintendo Power June 2006/V204
The exact quote is this:
"Charlotte's family, according to Iga, is somehow related to the Fernandez clan. (Carrie Fernandez was one of the protagonists in Castlevania for N64.)"
Basically the issue that unveiled PoR to everybody.
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In Reply To #17
Thank you kindly sir. But where did you get the Info about the Morris's branching out between Trevor and Christopher?
And to the auther of this thread, none of my comments have been aimed at you, nice job on the drawings.
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In Reply To #18
It was one of the scans on Rahenna's site. I think it was one of the LoI japanese source guides.
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And to the auther of this thread, none of my comments have been aimed at you, nice job on the drawings.
I was just trying to get the facts straight, and about a few things I was gonna side with you. lol. Wasn't meaning to sound like an [donkey]. There are still a few games I haven't played, so all comments about that are helpful.
EDIT: Now that I re-read them I really did sound like an [mule]. Sorry.
And thanks. Here are a few more. Dracula and Lisa.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Faction_fence%2Fdracula.PNG&hash=469c76e036250a7814d2150543994643)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Faction_fence%2Flisa.PNG&hash=b54c914f673e4d5e7c37a9922dcddbe9)
I don't really like how Lisa turned out, but on the tree she doesn't look bad.
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honestly I think LIsa turned out pretty bad.... but maybe its not so bad if its smaller. I wouldn't know.
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Yeah, Think she turned out looking buff...
But this is what she'll look like on the tree--
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Faction_fence%2Fc2lisa.png&hash=8b236fbb1567848e06e95ac85518cd48)
And the last update for the night... Alucard, Sypha and Trevor
When smaller, what looks like stitches on Sypha's mouth just looks like lips.
But ya know, I might just redraw Sypha, not really digging how she turned out.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Faction_fence%2Falucard.PNG&hash=8ec11b6661ab2cc008095cb5f56c9edd)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Faction_fence%2Fsypha.PNG&hash=cebc9977e6f54a7dcad11554a1ac2c8e)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Faction_fence%2Ftrevor.PNG&hash=13fa6195165b2adf9bd6f5499ee2c452)
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In Reply To #11
Um...what?
I don't recall saying anything about Johnathan Morris...only that Victor having the whip doesn't conflict with anything, considering that the plot-point with which he would conflict was created AFTER he was. Besides, considering he would have gotten sucked back into the past (1666) and considering that he ran from his destiny (supposedly leaving the VK behind), he really wouldn't conflict with much, if anything.
As for CotM, I'm not going to argue developer intentions. As long as there is no information that states straight-out that the thing wasn't intended to be canon, then we have no reason to assume that it was meant to be anything BUT.
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In Reply To #23
So... Because it is not stated outright it cannot be? Evidence be damned! I hope you never go into the criminal justice field... ::)
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Remember in PoR it's stated that after Richter, no fullblooded Belmont was allowed to wield the Vampire Killer until 1999 with Julius? That would then make sense why Reinhardt procured it, since he's not a pureblood Belmont. (though he's probably the closest of any of the offshoots of the Belmont clan into other families.....if you do believe the theory of him being Richter's grandson)
If Reinhardt had a daughter later in life (as I will be portraying in my future CV webcomic), then it would make sense for him to need to hand the Vampire Killer off to another male member of the Belmont offshoots. (ie. John Morris, ala the "Bloodlust of the Countess" comic)
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In Reply To #24
Criminal Justice? Well, then you most likely know that we are arguing something analogous to rules of statutory construction. And even then, you lack any compelling evidence and, as such, come up with only weak circumstantial evidence. So, nice attempt at sarcasm and calling me out, but you get nothing. You lose. Good day, sir.
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Ummm... I'm still looking for it, but didn't the special 'Pre-Order Portrait of Ruin and get this book' artbook have a list of games that were in the official canon (you know the one that completely shows IGA dis-owning Legends) not have Circle of the Moon in it?
And because I don't really understand what I just said...
In terms that don't make people go 'WTF did he just say?'...
Isn't there an artbook out there that disproves CotM's canon-ness.
EDIT: I believe I found it... This is supposedly the official IGA timeline...
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcastlevania.armster.org%2Fimages%2Ftimeline.gif&hash=6d3028013b709e8743128b3d42507393)
http://castlevania.armster.org/trans_timeline.php
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In Reply To #27
Oh, no. We're not arguing whether or not it's in canon, because indeed it isn't (or maybe is, as PoR's timeline has LoD and CotM both in the timeline somehow). What we're arguing over is whether or not it was when it was made. And it was.
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In Reply To #26
Okay... Just because you use big words does not mean I lose. There is plenty of evidence for what I am arguing in this game.
-Not even a mention of the Belmont's.
-Some new family has the whip, and any vampire hunter can weild it if they are skilled enough (only the Belmont's can according to the storyline)
-The whip is not even called the Vampire Killer... Is this some other vampire hunting whip? Please...
-There isn't even Castlevania! It's some Austrian castle with spooktacular ghosts.
-Put into a spot of the timeline where there would no doubt be atleast 3 or 4 Belmont's ready to fight the count (Richter's son, a Morris, at the time a Shcneider. Because all of them were active VERY close to this games date) And if Alucard hooks with Maria at the end of SoTN he'd probably still be around to.
-Same argument as above for the "previous" battle with the Graves and Baldwins fighting Dracula.
-Carmilla, an already established Character from the past is now some victorian age girl who gets wet for Dracula.
-This SAME TEAM made the N64 games which state that Dracula had spent 100 years in "enforced slumber".
That's all just off the top of my head. The team that made this game obviously did not care about including it in the timeline.
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In Reply To #29
"Big words?" You're the one who mentioned criminal justice...
Don't tell me that you...*gasp* cited something you know nothing about!!!! :O
Again, nice "evidence," but it's all weak circumstantial evidence at best. As for my "big words," that's why dictonary.com exists. Use it if you're confused.
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Hay guyz
If you're gonna debate, leave the petty arguments and personal potshots out of it.
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@Vodka: You're doing that thing where you're being a condescending ass.
Cease.
@Jerkofwonder:
It's some Austrian castle with spooktacular ghosts. <--- Dawn of Sorrow fits this bill too, though. Hell, the Windmills in the ending would make it a Holland Castle.
PS- I meant to quote, not edit. Sorry if your post ended up being edited. Still getting used to the new system.
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In Reply To #32
I can't believe you didn't get the criminal justice joke. And thanks for the personal attack, really adds to your argument.
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In Reply To #32
I accidentally hit "Edit" instead of "Quote".
Apologies.
The point still stands, though.
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In Reply To #33
What personal attack? Seriously...if you don't know a word, look it up. I didn't say it to be a jerk, as strange as that sounds. At least, that's what I do...always have. Look things up, I mean. *shrugs*
Look...if you want, I can break it down (the legal-ese) for you. Not to be a jerk, but to be understood a bit better.
@ Jorge:
Erm...as you wish... :-X
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In Reply To #35
Um... when did I ever say i didn't know what those words meant?
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Guys, take it to PM. Get back on topic.
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Okay, so I just got a new job, I am gonna complete the tree with pictures, it is just gonna take me longer than I wanted it to.
So far I have the top left corner done on the illustrated. That is Leon, Lisa, Dracula, Sonia, Alucard, Trevor, Sypha, and Gesper Totoyan.
Once I get all 8 parts done I will upload them and link them.
K Thanks.
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In Reply To #37
Jeez... you sure are high off of this modness... You flex your mod-ness way to much, it's pretty cute actually. ;)
And to thread authoer, it's "Gasper", not gesper.
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In Reply To #37
Jeez... you sure are high off of this modness... You flex your mod-ness way to much, it's pretty cute actually. ;)
Well, well, well...we finally agree on something. :P
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If you work it out, there does seem to be time for Richter to be Reinhardt Schneider's grandfather.
Reinhardt looks to be at least in his late twenties (and that is being kind to him) in 1852. For the sake of doubt, let's set his age at 25, putting his birth circa 1827. If his parents (one of which would be Richter's daughter) were no younger than 16 (reasonable or not given the date? people sometimes got married very early back then...), their birth dates would be circa 1811, at which time Richter would be exactly 37 and certainly still able to father children. Even if you fiddle with the unknown ages quite a bit, there's more than enough of a time window.
In my fanfic I placed the birth of his first child (a son) at 1807. Seems to work out surprisingly well with this :) BTW, I intend to tell the story of the Hunter Whip's creation in that fic, and give it a plausible place in the Castlevania universe (one that doesn't ruin the essence of the canon). Let me know if you ever make a genealogy that expands into fanfic characters ;)
But if you accept that the Hunter Whip really is different from the Vampire Killer, which I myself now do (and I thought I'd be the last person on earth to argue for that...), then there's no problem with having Reinhardt "borrow" the Vampire Killer for a quick quest from the Morrises or whoever was holding it at the time. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances which prevented them from helping out at that time ;)
I'm just happy to see the non-canon characters getting more mention lately. They're my favorites.
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If you work it out, there does seem to be time for Richter to be Reinhardt Schneider's grandfather.
My only problem with Richter being Reinhardt's grandfather is the fact that it was Michael Schneider that taught Reinhardt how to be a vampire hunter, not his mother... Maybe the Schneiders are another clan of vampire hunters that married into the Belmonts but who knows?
I would have a vote about this for the tree, but I have already got the lay out done, and moving it any will be more work than needed, as I have it, the Schneiders are a branch family. But once it is done, if anyone wants to make a version that has Reinhardt under Richter as a grandson, feel free to do so, just give credit where credit is due.
EDIT: Actually after looking closer, It wouldn't be all that much trouble to place Reinhardt over under Richter, so I think I'll make 2 versions, one where he is, and one where he isn't. Also while looking I found another problem I have so I have to do some moving anyways.
EDIT 2: I haven't beat Dawn of Sorrow yet, and I have a question... does Hammer get with Yoko? If he does I might have to put him in it too.
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In Reply To #42
Based on his feelings and their interaction in the game, it can be assumed that yes, they do get together. Of course, just remember the controversy that Alucard and Sonia also had the same interaction, just a little bit more directly in in-game dialog.
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Dunno, yoko seemed more interested in soma than hammer. :P
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In Reply To #42
I did think of that later, but came to the same conclusion. It's possible that the Schneiders were already warriors of some other type who married into the Belmont clan as a means of increasing their own status. I have the Baldwins do the exact same thing in my fic, resulting in Morris Baldwin ;)
Of course it is just as equally likely that the Schneiders are a more distant branch like the Morrises. Without canon links, you're left to make your own decision on the matter. At least with Reinhardt we were given definite confirmation that he was supposed to be related to the Belmonts. With the Baldwins and Graves, there is only speculation.
EDIT: There is of course a 3rd possibility which just came to mind. Reinhardt could be of Belmont descent through both of his parents. Cousin marriages were extremely common back then, especially in families that had reason to "keep it in the family." Proud warrior traditions would encourage that sort of thing. Unusual to us today, but considered normal then. I myself have a cousin marriage in my family tree back in the 1800's.
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Maybe I'm late with this, but it makes no sense to have Zoe/Dolores/Des in there because their game doesn't mention a time period and was non-canon from the beginning (lol). Also, with the Rondo-influenced graphics, it seems to make more sense they'd come after Richter than anything.
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Just because teh graphics are similar, doesn't mean the story is after >.>
As for conanical or not, I never played it nor know much about it....
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In Reply To #46
Meh...it counts for me. It exists, whether it exists for IGA or not.
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In Reply To #46
They exist now. All we know is that it was stated that they live sometime in the 1600s. Seeing that the Belmont Timeline is the TC's own fanfic ideas, he could do whatever he wants. But yeah, techically they "exist" more than Victor Belmont.
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Well, I don't remember where I read it, but the time that they gave for it was "Late 1600's" and for that to be possible, they would have to be the Belmonts right before Simon, being he was in the 1690's. It only makes since.
And if I knew for certain that Hanz was a Belmont and knew when Bloodletting took place he would be on here too.
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Well, I hadn't heard a date given. I was afraid that'd I was saying something wrong.
Regardless, they don't exist on any timeline that also has Simon Belmont, so it's not "they must be around before Simon," it's "they could exist at the same time in some wacky alternate universe, or not."
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Except that appeals to alternate universes, wormholes, time travel, paradoxes, etc., are a bad thing except in A) Marvel Comics and B) hardcore science fiction. :) It's better to stick with some simpler solution if one is possible, and since it's all fan fiction anyway, it doesn't matter ;)
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In Reply To #52
There is no "simpler solution," because everybody at Konami said that it didn't fit in a timeline along with everything else. That doesn't really make sense as everybody said they're Belmonts, but that's what has been said and we need to stick by it for now.
I don't necessarily like it either, but this is actually not simplifying things, and goes against what we've heard from the developers.
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Ok, I recently finished my own interpretation of the Belmont Family Tree. It incorporates almost everything from every CV game thus far, and goes on to tie things together rather nicely. (whether you wanna believe in it or not)
I've also thrown in a couple of "unofficial" parts in there, as my own take on furthering the future storyline....hence a few names in there that I've kinda made up as placeholders until otherwise officially stated. (also will be used in my webcomic)
http://sindra.brinkster.net/misc/cvfamilytree.pdf
I also deliberately didn't put dates by the names, since again some parts are unofficial. I think you can figure it out without them.
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Ok, I recently finished my own interpretation of the Belmont Family Tree. It incorporates almost everything from every CV game thus far, and goes on to tie things together rather nicely. (whether you wanna believe in it or not)
I've also thrown in a couple of "unofficial" parts in there, as my own take on furthering the future storyline....hence a few names in there that I've kinda made up as placeholders until otherwise officially stated. (also will be used in my webcomic)
http://sindra.brinkster.net/misc/cvfamilytree.pdf
I also deliberately didn't put dates by the names, since again some parts are unofficial. I think you can figure it out without them.
I like it, lots of detail and stuff. Good work.
In other news, I have barely got much of mine done. My job is late night and stuff. But I should be done within this month, if all goes to plan. I'll just go ahead and post what I have so far... When my comp will let me.
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Last time I checked the Renards were Belmont relatives, not Belnades. Rondo manual, as well as the ending scene in Rondo prove that (Dracula refers to Maria as blood descendant of the Belmonts).
http://serio.i-xcell.com/image/mariaend.gif
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Hmmm....you are correct sure. I could have sworn I'd seen somewhere that they were relatives of the Belmonts, but not direct descendants. Ah well, I'll have to amend a few things. Thanks for the point-out.
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Last time I checked the Renards were Belmont relatives, not Belnades. Rondo manual, as well as the ending scene in Rondo prove that (Dracula refers to Maria as blood descendant of the Belmonts).
http://serio.i-xcell.com/image/mariaend.gif
Well, It looks to me like they just got lazy and reused Dracula's speech in Richter's end for Maria as well. So, that might not actually be true that the Renards are related to the Belmonts. Besides that would be a little weird with Richter and Annette. Of course, I could be wrong, thats just what it looks like to me
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In Reply To #58
It's not that weird. They're distant relatives, not direct first or second cousins or anything like that.
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I beleive cause of richters possession by shaft, the belmonts beleived antoher belmont would be possessed by dracula's evil, and had the whip sent to another family that way a repeat of SOTN wouldn;t happen, the way the series was originalyl planned worked fine, cept iga had to refine it and dug his own grave.
tho for that time peroid i'm not going to say what crazy stuff the people were intro for the time peroid this all seems normal, so either richter is a little slow, or perhaps his marriage was pre-arranged? assuming any of the belmonts married.
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For my fic, I'm working off the angle that the corruption/curse that Shaft transferred into Richter directly affected their ability to use the whip by causing it to harm them in much the same way that it harms dark creatures. This became heriditary and passed on to Richter's son, and so on, but eventually it would be purged by the passage of time as the prophecy mentioned in PoR says, allowing Julius to reclaim his heritage just in time to stop the Dark Lord's new War Against Humanity.
The splinter families are not affected directly by the curse, but the extended use of the Vampire Killer costs them their life force, due to the bond between its spirit and the direct bloodline. Note that Reinhardt Schneider had never even handled the VK before the Blood Moon rose. That's when he asked the priest to release the seal upon it. This is also where I will make Morris Baldwin's Hunter Whip have significance :)
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In Reply To #1
it looks really good, I still include sonia in the canon I don't care what Koji says there was no reason to retcon that game it doesn't affect anything else and tells us who Trevor's/Ralph's mom is. I do have one question though, I have never heard of Alucard hooking up with Maria, did you draw that conclusion from the games or is there an official source that states this? :)
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There are no proofs for that. It's all fanfiction based on the fact that Maria was chasing Alucard at the end of the game.
In the same vein you could say that for example charlotte gets together with jonathan because their relationship's more less the same. She hints more than once she wants something more, but he's too dim witted to notice. Just like in some crappy anime where main hero is oblivious to the main heroine's affection towards him until the end. :P
Even the soma-mina relationship was better.
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Who are Illyana, Zoe, Desmond, Dolores, and Serena??? Where did they come from? I've never seen those names in ANY of the games...
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Desmond, Zoe, Dolores are from the Castlevania: Order of Shadows for cell phones, a side story game taking place in late 1600s (more than likely taking place of the cancelled resurrection. Late 1600s would more than likely imply after 1650, but not after 1680-1690s since those are Simon's times)
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Okay, so I just got a new job, I am gonna complete the tree with pictures, it is just gonna take me longer than I wanted it to.
So far I have the top left corner done on the illustrated.
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Except that appeals to alternate universes, wormholes, time travel, paradoxes, etc., are a bad thing except in A) Marvel Comics and B) hardcore science fiction. :) It's better to stick with some simpler solution if one is possible, and since it's all fan fiction anyway, it doesn't matter ;)
I think that even in Marvel Comics, they're bad. Alternate universes can confuse the fans and ultimately piss them off, until their just plain discuted with it... >:(
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Last time I checked the Renards were Belmont relatives, not Belnades. Rondo manual, as well as the ending scene in Rondo prove that (Dracula refers to Maria as blood descendant of the Belmonts).
http://serio.i-xcell.com/image/mariaend.gif
Don't forget that the Fernandezes (AKA the Belnades) Are also related to the Belmonts, through Trevor's union with Sypha. Some of their children may have even kept the fernandez name as an attempt to protect them selves from the Cult of Chaos, who kept reviving Dracula.
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Desmond, Zoe, Dolores are from the Castlevania: Order of Shadows for cell phones, a side story game taking place in late 1600s (more than likely taking place of the cancelled resurrection. Late 1600s would more than likely imply after 1650, but not after 1680-1690s since those are Simon's times)
1.A CELL PHONE GAME!? YOU GATTA BE KIDDING ME!!! :'( Is there any way to get it with out a cell phone?
2. But, who is Serena?
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The unnamed wife of Simon from Haunted Castle. Fans dubbed her Serena and it stuck. Sorta like the bloodletting red guy became Hanz. :P
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In Reply To #70
It's not her true name, since Americans named her Serena...right, Serio? That's how it works?
:P
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Didn't fans name her like that? I don't remember seeing official material with that.
And if you believe something's official because americans said so go back to your poltergeist king and belmont warrior chromosomes. They're obviously official too. I mean, usa konami placed them in their version of cv3. :o
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You forgot to put Lydie Elranger with Juste.
hmm she could have hooked up with maxim though and it looked like from what I gathered that juste and maxim's relationship was more of a friendly one than an intimate one.
The reason that Quincey Morris didn't kill Drac with a whip is cause Victor Belmont had it, and at some point gave it to John Morris.
Hmm that kind of messes with portrait though technically Jonathan should have fought victor when he goes to unlock the whip if Victor had it before John, unless Victor chose not to be a vampire killer and never used it and let John have it when John went up against Dracula. Then it would make more sense that Jonathan came across it and used it for awhile then when Julius or one of his ancestors decided to become a vampire killer they asked for the whip back, and the belmonts kept it. :)
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The unnamed wife of Simon from Haunted Castle. Fans dubbed her Serena and it stuck. Sorta like the bloodletting red guy became Hanz. :P
Her name came from the official gameplay video cassette released by Konami.
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Ok, but what about the cell phone game? Is there a way to get it without a cell phone?
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Don't forget that the Fernandezes (AKA the Belnades) Are also related to the Belmonts, through Trevor's union with Sypha. Some of their children may have even kept the fernandez name as an attempt to protect them selves from the Cult of Chaos, who kept reviving Dracula.
I doubt that. I think the other Fernandez/Belnades descendants are not descended from Sypha, but other Belnades. Perhaps her brothers(to keep the surname alive THAT long). Yoko, Carrie, and Charlotte(who's Aulin clan branched out from the Belnades) are from THAT line. Sypha's descendants are Belmonts, or Belmont cousins. That would mean Charlotte Aulin isn't a descendant of Sypha(even though the Aulins are branched out of the Belnades clan), but Jonathan Morris IS descended from Sypha(since the Morris clan branched out of the Belmonts AFTER Trevor and before Christopher).
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It is possible that Sypha had children by another previous marriage before she met Trevor. If they had some reason to keep their mother's name rather than their father's, they could have been named Belnades/Fernandez and be able to claim direct descent from her. I've just always preferred that possibility for some reason :)
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It is possible that Sypha had children by another previous marriage before she met Trevor.
...Sypha was an apprentice monk in the Catholic Church before she met Trevor.
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In Reply To #78
Technically, she'd be a nun. The Catholic Church doesn't have female monks. I know. I used to be Catholic and did the whole religion thing. Though I'm not sure she had anything to do with the Catholic Church, since I've usually seen her mentioned as a wizard.
And don't get me started on Yoko being a "Witch in the service of the Catholic Church". Them Japanese are on crack when it comes to integrating western religions.
- John
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Well, It looks to me like they just got lazy and reused Dracula's speech in Richter's end for Maria as well. So, that might not actually be true that the Renards are related to the Belmonts.
Maria is related to the Belmonts because:
1. It says so in the Rondo manual.
2. Dracula says so at the end of the game.
3. Maria says so if and when she rescues Annette.
In what capacity she and the Renards are related to the Belmonts is never truely explored though. It could be a branch going back as far as Trevor as far as anyone knows. But the relation is there.
Besides that would be a little weird with Richter and Annette.
Not at all. Because Annette and Maria are not related by blood. That was a combination of fan invention and possibly some misdirection imposed by Dracula XX (once again, I hate that game). Too many fan sites have stated this. And its leading to some of you putting it in your family trees.
Technically Annette was never given a last name. She's not important enough to rate one. She serves as the Damsel in Distress, and a love interest for Richter so that the Belmont genes can be passed on. Nothing more.
Also, Simon obviously had to screw around with somebody, so Serena is a good enough place holder even though that game isn't canon.
- John
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In Reply To #79
Sypha was pretending to be a man though. ._.
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In Reply To #78
Technically, she'd be a nun. The Catholic Church doesn't have female monks. I know. I used to be Catholic and did the whole religion thing. Though I'm not sure she had anything to do with the Catholic Church, since I've usually seen her mentioned as a wizard.
She was definitely working for the Catholic Church.
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Ok, but what about the cell phone game? Is there a way to get it without a cell phone?
nope well not right now at least, but no worries it's only 6 bucks.
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She was definitely working for the Catholic Church. It's stated in the story in the Japanese manual.
Actually, wasn't that the Eastern Orthodox Church? They're not the same, y'know...
The Eastern Orthodox Church is mentioned again in Legacy of Darkness.
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Yeah, I went back and checked, and it is the Eastern Orthodox Church. My mistake.
I guess it's easy to get confused when most of the games just refer to "the Church."
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I'm looking at the Japanese manual...
Yes. She's Eastern Orthodox. Not the same as Catholic. It also says that the EOC sought out Trevor and charged him with killing Dracula when they lost touch with Sypha.
- John
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Confusion also stems from the fact that it says the Pope is the one who requested the aid of Ralph and company. Needless to say, the Pope is Catholic.
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"Working for" the Church is not the same as having taken vows. That Sypha later marries Trevor IMO precludes the idea that she intended to serve as a nun. How many nuns have you met that carry staves and cast fire, ice, and lightning spells? What a waste of talent that would be ;D
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In Reply To #87
There's Eastern Orthodox Popes, but they serve a much more limited and less powerful function. Another possibility is that Dracula was such a threat that the Eastern Orthodox & Catholic Churches (Protestantism didn't exist yet) put aside their differences long enough to work together.
Anyways...here's a copy of the Drac III Japanese manual translated:
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv3/documents/CV3J.txt
- John
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In Reply To #87
There's Eastern Orthodox Popes, but they serve a much more limited and less powerful function. Another possibility is that Dracula was such a threat that the Eastern Orthodox & Catholic Churches (Protestantism didn't exist yet) put aside their differences long enough to work together.
I tend to think this is what happened, Europe was in such trouble that the 2 churches came together to overcome a common evil. I think when it says the pope goes looking for Trevor/Ralph, it's referring to the catholic pope. I also think the catholic church sent out an army as well maybe after the Eastern Orthodoxes.
Anyways...here's a copy of the Drac III Japanese manual translated:
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv3/documents/CV3J.txt
- John
Thank You, that's awesome I've never read the JP manual, just a translated version of the text in the intro. :)
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So, the Japanese manual DID include the bit about portraying Sypha as male, then. Interesting. Then her ("his") bid to become a monk may only have been a part of her false identity. When she later revealed herself to be female and married Trevor, that certainly would have spoiled that :P
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I think that it is fantastic and has given me ideas of my own for another story concerning our boy Drac. Also you reminded me about Radu the Hansome, which I completely forgot about.
Thanks.
David
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So, the Japanese manual DID include the bit about portraying Sypha as male, then. Interesting. Then her ("his") bid to become a monk may only have been a part of her false identity. When she later revealed herself to be female and married Trevor, that certainly would have spoiled that
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In Reply To #93
Woman or a young man whose voice hasn't deepened yet. Some like to say that she appeared and sounded like a young man.
If I recall correctly, the same "voice" was used for Link in the original Legend of Zelda, and Link was 16-17 when he went to fight Ganon.