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"Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« on: April 29, 2012, 07:35:15 PM »
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Is there really any reason to go with one over the other or does it all just boil down to personal preference?

I kinda prefer Demon Castle since that's always what I've known till Wikipedia started using Devil's Castle almost exclusively, and also Demon Castle kinda implies the castle itself is a demon...maybe? Some kind of hellish entity of sorts, since it's always changing. Or is it just an extension of Dracula's pouty moods?
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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2012, 08:21:52 PM »
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I also prefer Demon Castle seeing as it is, in Alucard's words, "a creature of chaos" after all.
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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2012, 09:03:33 PM »
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Also, technically "demon" and "devil" are two completely different words. A devil is a malicious slanderer or foe, whereas a demon is a spirit or lesser god. Seeing as how Dracula wasn't actually up to any real no-good and the castle is indeed populated by spirits, Demon Castle is the better name. The problem is Japanese took from "modern" English, which erased any distinction between demons and devils. So even in the Japanese language you'll see "akuma" used interchangeably. However, they are distinct terms which have been bastardized by the Church over the years. However, the title is indeed AKU-ma, which implies not just a demon but an evil demon. In some sects of Buddhism that may be an important distinction, because a spirit which causes suffering isn't necessarily evil ("onma"). And technically Satan in the modern passivist (huh, thought that was a real word... well it is now!) sense as the tempter would be a "bonnohma". In the strictest literal sense, the closest thing to "akuma" would be Ahriman, the god of chaos in Zoroastrianism. Perhaps a better translation for "akumajou" would be Fiend Castle or Fiendish Castle or Castle of Fiends, but none of those have a nice ring to them.
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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 12:39:05 AM »
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I've seen Akumajo Dracula officially translated from Japanese to English as Dracula's Satanic Castle. Demon Castle pretty much means the same thing but I think most offical translators probably would go with the latter because it's less religious sounding. So it comes down to personal preference.   

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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 01:25:13 AM »
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I've seen Akumajo Dracula officially translated from Japanese to English as Dracula's Satanic Castle.

Where? D:
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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 01:35:16 AM »
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I always refer it to as Demon Castle due to the 1999 story being called The Demon Castle Wars.

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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2012, 01:42:14 AM »
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Where? D:

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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2012, 02:48:07 AM »
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Noticed this before, too. I also thought it was weird how wikipedia switched over to just Devil's Castle Dracula.

I remember seeing the whole Dracula's Satanic Castle thing on the wikipedia entry for the first game. It said that Akumajo Dracula translated to either Demon Castle Dracula, or that.

I always just assumed that Demon Castle Dracula was the most widely accepted translation. But I have to admit, Devil's Castle sounds pretty awesome. Using a term like Satanic almost seems a little heavy-handed for the tone of the series though, at least to me.
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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2012, 02:53:21 AM »
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I like "Demon Castle". Goes nice with the whole "Creature of Chaos" thing and the castle is in fact filled with..well, demons. "Devil's Castle" would also imply that the castle isn't really Drac's. Besides, Devil's not in his element in CV; he's just a regular enemy that appears every now and then :)


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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2012, 03:15:33 AM »
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I use "Devil Castle". In almost all cases, I translate "Akuma" into "Devil".

And, "Devil's Castle" is "Akuma no Shiro" for me.
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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2012, 03:37:45 AM »
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I like "Demon Castle". Goes nice with the whole "Creature of Chaos" thing and the castle is in fact filled with..well, demons. "Devil's Castle" would also imply that the castle isn't really Drac's. Besides, Devil's not in his element in CV; he's just a regular enemy that appears every now and then :)

I always just imagined Dracula and the Devil as one and the same in the CV universe.

...which is why I was kind of baffled by the inclusion of Satan in Lords of Shadow, but that's for another topic I guess.
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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2012, 05:42:56 AM »
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But Dracula isn't the devil, he's just evil. How many times have you beaten Dracula with Holy Water? And I don't mean when it hits him and shatters, which is 1 damage. I mean when it breaks open spewing holiness everywhere? He's pretty hard to defeat with that stuff.
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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2012, 05:49:46 AM »
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Demon or Demonic Castle Dracula has a nice ring to it. how bout Devil's Demonic Castula Dracula

There are deities in the castle that predate the Christian Satan. Pazuzu, Erinys, Mushussu for instance.

Did AoS/DoS ever actually refer to the Demon Castle War (singular, not plural) as such? Or was it referred to as just the "Battle of 1999?"

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2012, 05:57:12 AM »
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The "Dracula's Satanic Castle" bit is also found in the packaging of the European release of Vampire Killer. Frankly, it would've been hilarious had they stuck with that. It's so Hammer-esque.

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Re: "Demon Castle" or "Devil's Castle"?
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 10:21:46 AM »
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'Demon castle' for me.  8)
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