I'm not feeling that description at all.
If this is based on CV3, then they are focusing on things not really implied in the games.
If it isn't CV3, then it's made up bullshit that will severely annoy me as a fan.
-Fights to save eastern europe from Dracula = All CV games plotThe hyperbole
Fred Tatasciore is a very prolific voice actor, right up there with Steve Blum and other VA luminaries. He's in a great many cartoons and videogames, so we can be sure of top-notch talent in him at least. If he's not Trevor, he's probably Dracula.
The rest.... yeah, I've never heard of them either.
Ah well, at least it will be an *animated* series. One shudders to think what a horrible mess a real-life adaption would be.
You know t[ Invalid YouTube link ]he saying "don't knock something before you've tried it?" Well, sometimes, that is wrong. I feyhar this series cannot possibly deliver on what Castlevania is and what makes the series so beloved. Oftentimes, things that are originally conceived as a game are better left alone as such. Ah well, at least it will be an *animated* series. One shudders to think what a horrible mess a real-life adaption would be.
Well Dracula Untold is basically LoS1 abridgedEvery time I see that movie, I get ideas for a CV adaptation. It's the closest thing we have to a CV blockbuster movie.
Every time I see that movie, I get ideas for a CV adaptation. It's the closest thing we have to a CV blockbuster movie.
Well Dracula Untold is basically LoS1 abridged
Wait, hold on. So who is playing the goat??
VanHelsing.
Unfortunately both movies are terrible.
Van Helsing is actually a better Monster Mash than the first few Castlevanias, carrying all the ham and cheese that is inherent to that formula with aplomb and never ever refusing to acknowledge it, instead pinning it all to its chest with pride. It knows exactly what kind of movie it is and has all the fun it possibly can with that. "Not serious" doesn't ever mean "bad" in and of itself.
Also, according to the Xbox game, the Belmont family exists and is (or was) active in the film's world as well, if a book found in a in-game library is anything to go by.
So it's hardly like Castlevania wasn't one of their inspirations. Even Dracula'smidgetvertically challenged minions, the Dwergi, physically resemble Flea Men (of all the possible things they might have looked like). Van Helsing even gets a callback in Order of Ecclesia with the Succubi being dead ringers for Dracula's brides in the film. So it's all in good fun and the evidence suggests Iga liked it pretty well too.
I feel no shame in calling it the best (and only) Castlevania film we're ever likely to get.
As to whether this series can deliver, while I like Tatasciore, he's nowhere near good enough to carry a series by himself and so I really hope the rest of the cast can carry their own weight.
The way I see it, since Van Helsing is a silly and less serious romp with all the horror trappings, like we tend to regard the NES-to-Genesis era today, this darker more serious turn seems more akin to the late 90's franchise as it was struggling to figure out how to adapt and move forward in a new climate and darkened and grittied up for a time before it came back down a few notches in 2002. Given that the Castlevania brand is finally starting to wake up from a long sleep via this series, I find this... not entirely inappropriate. Fingers crossed, but I won't hold my breath yet -- there's still a pretty big margin for fuckup here.
COMPLETELY agree.
The Van Hellsing film gets to much hate in my opinion, it felt to me very much like a Castlevania film even though it was not which was great for me, the only thing I disliked was the portrayal of Dracula, they should have gotten a better actor to fit the Dracula role, other than that I have always held it as a pseudo CV film considering the slim chances of getting a actual live action one.
I look at Van Helsing much like Underworld as a whole -- good bit of campy fun, just don't think too hard about most of it.
That and:
-Kate Beckinsale actually getting to use her regular voice/accent
-A pretty fucking underrated Dracula performance IMO, despite the camp, and one that breaks the Lugosi mold in a way I really enjoy
-Kate Beckinsale kicking ass in Victorian gear
-Kate Beckinsale
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"It's ok for the movie to be bad because it knows it's not serious." No. Just no. I love plenty of non serious movies, and hardly the type to demand serious grittiness. VanHelsing is a terrible movie. I remember when it came out in theaters, I don't think I've ever been as excited for a movie. It was clearly a Castlevania RIP off, and I LOVED that. I remember watching tv behind the scenes specials before release. I played the game and was the first person to post a screen cap of the Belmont reference on the ancient dungeon forum, I still love the game. I even still go back and watch the movie every so many years trying to like it. It is just a bad, bad, bad movie. And I enjoy the Subspecies franchise. It deserves the repuation it has. The animated mini prequel was about as bad too.
Vampire Hunter D movies are better than Van Helsing, which wasn't so bad a movie either, it's great it involved more hunters instead of simply glorifying one.Look into the mortal Kombat webseries "Mortal Kombat Legacy" or any of the Halo web series.
though the genre really does benefit being more grimdark. look how mainstream Bloodborne became, and people anticipate Bloodborne 2 news at E3.
the script for the Castlevania tv series should be solid. but character design and other things are important too.
its very strange what angle they might take it, but if the look is immature, that would really be lame.
think it's gonna be tough for them to sell a story without it feeling like some soap opera. both Mortal Kombat TV shows (animation and live action) are horrible following the orthodox tv show molds of characterization, storyboard, scenario and events. they dont grasp the essence of the source material.
Vampire Hunter D movies are better than Van Helsing, which wasn't so bad a movie either, it's great it involved more hunters instead of simply glorifying one.
As long as we're talking about Vampire Hunter D in the context of Castlevania on Netflix, can I just say that if it ends up being half as well drawn as Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust, we'll all be in for one hell of a visual treat even if the rest sucks? Because Bloodlust is still probably the most stylistically gorgeous anime film I've ever seen, bar none. Your mileage will vary, of course, but I don't think there's a soul among us who'd call Bloodlust badly drawn. If we can get that level of visual and audio quality on the Castlevania Netflix, then... honestly it might not matter how good the actual story is if the music and visuals are up to Bloodlust's level.
I'm liking this even though I'll insist this is Shovel Knight's Tower of Fate. Also, notice the use of CGI.
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And now there is something animated to look at. From what I understood from the Castlefans group, this was shown on a closed press demonstration.
I'm liking this even though I'll insist this is Shovel Knight's Tower of Fate (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0014/1962/products/product_castle_of_fate_design.png?v=1416965774). Also, notice the use of CGI.
The castle already looks a whole lot better.
What is the castlefan group?
Ooohhh CGI...
Is this 2D or 3D animation or a combination of both?
It's fake. >:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_skngJlTDg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_skngJlTDg)
A short clip from a completely different franchise looks more appealing than the actual teaser poster.
That is a depressing thought.
Looks like it's based off of Dracula's Curse
About the clip itself, I'm satisfied and the animation seems solid.
The trailer itself is better than all three Lords of Shit games combined. David Cox and his staff of dimwitted fuck asses have been outdone by a trailer. Hopefully he goes to Kennedy's Chicken in NYC and eats himself to the point where he can't walk anymore so that this world doesn't have to stomach his pitiful excuses for video games anymore.
I honestly hate to be that guy... but it looks... safe?
Everything looks as expected... nothing really stands out to me.
I thought I would be really excited when the trailer dropped but I feel empty.
There isn't much to talk about sadly.
I guess Grant is in it. Yay?
Edit: Nevermind. I guess the knife thrower at the he end was Trevor too.
Where's Grant???
When this was invisioned as an amimated trilpdy Grant was to show up in part 2. So I figure he'll show up in the 2nd seaon.
When this was invisioned as an amimated trilpdy Grant was to show up in part 2. So I figure he'll show up in the 2nd seaon.I was under the impression this is only 4 episodes and season 2 is going to be an adaption of a different game.
I wouldn't be surprised if Grant is a no show, seems to be a running tradition to give Grant the shaft.
REALLY... reaching for the hate now. This is looking awesome. I am so psyched, everybody looks right. Trevor is an awesome fusion of his CoD and Simon in MiD. Coy not be more stoked. Sypha looked perfect, and if alucard puts on a shirt I'm totally game. Holy crap guys. ????????????????
Sypha looks gorgeous.
Warren Ellis initial script was for 90 minute animated movie, and it didn't even get into the castle. It was supposed to be a trilogy, all about Dracula's Curse. That could have changed but I have seen no indication that season 2 will be about another game, though I would be cool with that.
As for Grant not being in it - eh, as a hardcore fan I'd miss him a bit but he is the least interesting of the original characters in my opinion. And especially without his potential ties to the Dănești family or Ferenc Nádasdy. I could see someone wanting to make a mini-series thinking the whole Pirate angle could be too distracting/tonally different.
Turns out Frederator is not animating this after all according to an animator who posts on NeoGAF:
http://www.studiomir.co.kr/en/ (http://www.studiomir.co.kr/en/)
I believe there's room for Grant. He deserves a revival of his character.
Is that Simon??
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Is that Simon??
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Is that Simon??
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I was under the impression this is only 4 episodes and season 2 is going to be an adaption of a different game."only" 4 episodes? four 30 minute episodes are equivalent to movie length. with 4 episodes they could give it even more pacing, action and quality to it instead of sinking into a soap opera mood like those anime that are so long they show more talking heads than actual progression and action.
Yeah but get this: Grant ain't a pirate.
"Nah Grant is too dumb" -Warren Ellis
I'm not even kidding.
EDIT: I AM kidding on the way he said that. He used a great deal more words to explain (haphazardly) why he thought Grant was dumb way back on the other script.
While him not showing up is weird considering we have Alucard and Sypha showing up, this doesn't mean Grant isn't there...
...but I sure hope it is.
So, nitpicking the teaser, I noticed that something DID survive from Ellis' script...Ooooh, good eye.
From the script (possible spoiler warning):(click to show/hide)
From the teaser:(click to show/hide)
I'd not mention it if it weren't such an oddly specific detail to make it into the animation.
[goat-fucking joke possibility intensifies]
EDIT: Put stuff on spoiler tags because if the script is being followed WEW LAD
I'm still erring on the cautious side for this on account of POWER/RANGERS being a bit of an edgy wank IMO.POWER/RANGERS was made with the intention of being a joke trailer, making fun of the notion that was highly circulating entertainment during the 00s-early 2010s where every thing "re-imagined" has to be done so through a dark, gritty and "grounded" form. That trailer was poking fun at that sorta bullshit trend. Fuckin' buzzwords, I remember that time, I would search through Bloody Disgusting articles and how many reboots were being announced where the directors and producers were pushing the whole "grounded, gritty reboot" angle. Glad we've moved past that, for the most part. There's still grounded, gritty properties, but they don't go out of their way to say it, they just DO it and nuff said!
He's not fighting because some authority sent him or some vendetta.
I'm glad Trevor isn't barbarian looking.
I am beyond pumped up for this!Same, it looks so much better than I expected!
If this does well, what game will they adapt into a series next? Rondo of Blood?
This might be an inpopular opinion, but I hope they don't adapt any other games. The reason adapting CV3 is interesting is because there's enough amount of material to expand on, plus there's the benefit of adding later contributions to the canon like perhaps elements from LoI and SotN. If they would adapt, say the original Castlevania, that might sound cool at first but if you think about it a little more the amount of material they would have to work with would fit on a paper napkin. It would be: "Simon goes into the castle and kills things: The Animation". CV3 has the only plot that lends itself well to adaptation.
This might be an inpopular opinion, but I hope they don't adapt any other games. The reason adapting CV3 is interesting is because there's enough amount of material to expand on, plus there's the benefit of adding later contributions to the canon like perhaps elements from LoI and SotN. If they would adapt, say the original Castlevania, that might sound cool at first but if you think about it a little more the amount of material they would have to work with would fit on a paper napkin. It would be: "Simon goes into the castle and kills things: The Animation". CV3 has the only plot that lends itself well to adaptation.
If they would adapt, say the original Castlevania, that might sound cool at first but if you think about it a little more the amount of material they would have to work with would fit on a paper napkin. It would be: "Simon goes into the castle and kills things: The Animation".
Yes and no. Simon had two adventures against the Count. Utilising both games could easily make one animated movie. For instance The prologue of said movie would be CVI. And we have Simon as he had battled his way up to Dracula's keep. We see him walking towards his destiny while showing snippets of the monsters and mythological creatures he had just slain to get there. Then we get to the Count himself. No words or would be spoken as the two then clash. Once defeated Simon walks away from the Count's broken body and later we see the castle denigrate as the Belmont looks on (presumably with his wife Serena that he rescues). Fast forward 8 years later and we have the CVII story pick up which tells the rest of Simon's tale. And it is very doable since CVII had multiple villages and people to talk to even if they spoke nonsense (which wouldn't be the case in an animated feature).
Yes and no. Simon had two adventures against the Count. Utilising both games could easily make one animated movie. For instance The prologue of said movie would be CVI. And we have Simon as he had battled his way up to Dracula's keep. We see him walking towards his destiny while showing snippets of the monsters and mythological creatures he had just slain to get there. Then we get to the Count himself. No words or would be spoken as the two then clash. Once defeated Simon walks away from the Count's broken body and later we see the castle denigrate as the Belmont looks on (presumably with his wife Serena that he rescues). Fast forward 8 years later and we have the CVII story pick up which tells the rest of Simon's tale. And it is very doable since CVII had multiple villages and people to talk to even if they spoke nonsense (which wouldn't be the case in an animated feature).
Color me skeptical. Let's assume this series would also be 8 episodes in total. The prologue would only last 5 to 10 minutes. How would you fill up the remaing 230 minutes?
Another problem that would rise if they went in such a direction would be that the story would basically be the same thing as this animated series except with less characters and story hooks. I know the storyline of Castlevania is inherently repetitive but when it comes to the games it's less of an issue because story has always been an afterthought for the series. However, I think that problem becomes more prominent when you try adapting multiple games in a row. Also, this is perhaps more of a minor issue, but for casual audiences it might be very confusing to suddenly jump ahead from Trevor's era to Simon's. That wouldn't be a very logical way to advance the narrative.
Well, the final line spoken in the trailer is confirmed as being Trevor, according to the subtitles on the trailer on Netflix itself, so so his VA at least should be pin down-able for those who know the names listed as the main cast.
I don’t know about that, it’s possible the trailer is being intentionally misleading.(click to show/hide)
i'll bet Iga is fan-boying over this trailer too haha.
The trailer itself is better than all three Lords of Shit games combined. David Cox and his staff of dimwitted fuck asses have been outdone by a trailer. Hopefully he goes to Kennedy's Chicken in NYC and eats himself to the point where he can't walk anymore so that this world doesn't have to stomach his pitiful excuses for video games anymore.
the art, character designs and animations looks greater than expected
also that woman really resembles Sypha in colors, garments, and magic user style.
that would be incredible if Grant and Alucard are in this too, which would further solidify that Belmont is Trevor.
he looks nothing like Nathan Graves, Nathan has short white/silver spiky hair, and different costume colors overall.
plus that scar seems like homage to CV: CoD Trevor.
great music and atmosphere. could be outstanding.
They showed Alucard via CV3 looking Alucard too.
CV3 Alucard has short black hair, though.
They showed Alucard via CV3 looking Alucard too.
I mean, think about it.
"What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets!"
The secret was baldness.
so when is iga ever gonna explain how and why alucard went with slickback and hair dye literally once his entire known life
was it just to make fun of his deadbeat dad or what
Also, I'm so happy to see Sypha's original design return (first time since.. for like 7 or 8 Olympics before). I'm surprisingly looking forward for it.
Are we getting all episodes at once or they gonna dole them out one by one? My only experience with Netflix is the Marvel shows.
Dracula looks so awesome
Overanalysis time: what's the stuff behind Dracula's head? Could be just a bush but since it's placed in the center of the shot, it might be something significant.
I think he's sitting at his throne and that is part of the ornament.
Actually, I think that scene is supposed to take place outdoors. Isn't that grass behind him?
Ten bucks it's a grave. Probably his, or Lisa's.I'll take that bet.
Dracula looks so awesome
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Nice image. Would that confirm there's no Grant? Or is Grant the guy with the fur coat in the trailer?
Grant does not show up on the trailer. It's all Trevor.
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I... I thought I was the only one who ever watched that show... *wipes away a tear*
I AM NOT ALONE!!
How about the Devil Forgemaster's involvement during CV3 as revealed in Curse of Darkness' backstory?I'm hoping, but that's more of a pipe dream. But then again, Trevor' s look definitely harkens most to his appearance in CoD. So it's not outside the realm of possibility.
I'd prefer it if they left that stuff out of this adaption to be honest. If they're making a CVIII mini series then that's what it should be about. CoD is CoD; it's own thing. Though added to CVIII's backstory it is not actual original CVIII material. The visual nods I can let slide but I'd prefer a more authentic CVIII experience.
I'd prefer it if they left that stuff out of this adaption to be honest. If they're making a CVIII mini series then that's what it should be about. CoD is CoD; it's own thing. Though added to CVIII's backstory it is not actual original CVIII material. The visual nods I can let slide but I'd prefer a more authentic CVIII experience.
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I... I thought I was the only one who ever watched that show... *wipes away a tear*
I AM NOT ALONE!!
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So Richard Armitage (Thorin Oakenshield) is in this now apparently, according to the official website.
I'd prefer it if they left that stuff out of this adaption to be honest. If they're making a CVIII mini series then that's what it should be about. CoD is CoD; it's own thing. Though added to CVIII's backstory it is not actual original CVIII material. The visual nods I can let slide but I'd prefer a more authentic CVIII experience.
While I want the original story to be the same, I think it will be great if they focus on adding details from the backstory and all, as long as they don't make up things that didn't really exist.
without Hector and Isaac, Dracula really doesn't have any "characters" on his side, just monsters.
Other confirmed character are "the Bishop" and "the Elder".
One of those guys is "Death" for sure.
That would be an interesting but judging from this old synopsis (https://www.scribd.com/document/14077952/Castlevania-Deck) that's not going to be the case. The Elder is supposed to be Sypha's grandfather who is the leader of a "group of holy people called Speakers". The Bishop is just a really pointless character. He acts like a secondary villian but he's not affiliated with Dracula at all. He later gets killed off by Dracula's minions.
They could have changed things but it sounds like the series is going to match up with what is written in that synopsis.
I never got around to reading that. I didn't know we knew that much. Even specific characters. Thats kind of lame.
Now we pray they don't shit the bed, because the summary does and justified ever since the beginning my complete distrust of this project.
That's at least something to be happy about. It might help pave the way to someting else later down the line.
on that note I just realized this iteration looks vaguely like a younger SOTN dracIndeed. He looks a lot like Chronicles'.
The church were kind of asses.
That specific Alucard shot looks very Ayami Kojimaesque
Are they going to pull the "Church guy is actually Death" from CoD?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/881990106885668864/video/1
Omg. This looks great...
Looks very promising indeed! Still, the over-abundance of Hobbit actors in this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
preview clips
https://mobile.twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/882001816942071809/video/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/MithicalEnt/status/882001816942071809/video/1)
Dammit! I wanted to see the cyclops!
Yes, because Hobbit was the only thing they've ever done and their merits should be judged by that series alone (which doesn't even make any sense since most of the Hobbit cast was excellent despite the flubs in the script and overall production). :P
Man, the audio quality might be awful, but from the sound of things McTavish is nailing it. I also like the headiness of Lisa's accent, despite it being muddled from aforementioned quality.
Wow Season 2 already confirmed, and it's eight episodes. I'm willing to bet they're covering Castlevania 1 and Simon's Quest next.
The intro is fucking magnificent.... but why aren't they using classic themes?! :(I am over the fucking moon.
https://youtu.be/dzkJ_MOZFFg
Also the humor is spot on.
https://youtu.be/fxUlQFvE6k4
The intro is fucking magnificent.... but why aren't they using classic themes?! :(Holy crap that intro animation. Wow.
https://youtu.be/dzkJ_MOZFFg
Also the humor is spot on.
https://youtu.be/fxUlQFvE6k4
Huh, I was under the impression they would wrap up all of Dracula's Curse in four episodes. That soundtrack listing suggests otherwise.(click to show/hide)
Huh, I was under the impression they would wrap up all of Dracula's Curse in four episodes. That soundtrack listing suggests otherwise.(click to show/hide)
http://nerdist.com/netflix-castlevania-eerie-theme-song-nintendo-game-exclusive/ (http://nerdist.com/netflix-castlevania-eerie-theme-song-nintendo-game-exclusive/)I actually like it a lot. Reminds me of some of the music from SCVIV.
Here's a new track, but just like the Main Title it's probably better with context.
I think it's based around midnight time for LA.That would be 3 AM for me then, guess I'm staying up late after all.
That would be 3 AM for me then, guess I'm staying up late after all.
for anyone who wants to rewatch the trailer in japanese dub before the show begins tomorrow:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania)
for anyone who wants to rewatch the trailer in japanese dub before the show begins tomorrow:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/07/05/ryotaro-okiayu-and-shinichiro-miki-lead-japanese-dub-of-netflix-castlevania)
Ahhhh.... I can wait until season 1 is done then binge watch.
Ahhhh.... I can wait until season 1 is done then binge watch.Season 1 is done. All four episodes are available to watch lol
GOAT-FUCKING SCENE CONFIRMED
http://deadline.com/2017/07/castlevania-animated-series-renewed-season-2-netflix-1202125024/ (http://deadline.com/2017/07/castlevania-animated-series-renewed-season-2-netflix-1202125024/)
Season 2 confirmed by Netflix
I watched it all in one setting. It was okay and wasn't surprised that the infamous "goat fucking" scene was present. I did find it odd that Alucard was only sleeping under the town for a year rather than decades or centuries. However, that is an issue with the actual Castlevania timeline (according to the wiki, Lisa Tepes was alive until around the 1470s and the events of CVII takes place in 1476. Would have been great if Ellis did some liberties with the timeline.
Other than that, I love how the water fountain from Alcuard's fight with the succubus is in the animated show as it shows that the creators were being faithful to the game. I also thought that the daark shards Dracula was using in building up his army was a homage to the save room with RPG dice-looking thingy in SOTN.
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Story: C
Wow, did Warren ever phone this one in. Lines are stilted and literally basic exposition constructions. Half the entire screenplay to me felt like: "I MUST MENTION THIS THING BECAUSE I HAVE TO. BUT THE NEXT GUY MAY NOT EVEN REPLY BACK TO IT BUT INSTEAD GO ALONG TO THE NEXT LINE AND TOPIC. I DON'T TALK LIKE A HUMAN WOULD."
Trevor's motivation and attitude are inconsistent feeling. The shallow attempts at humor are both not funny, and executed extremely poor.
P.S.
The whole Lisa part of the story was laid out so wrong. By the time you got to her burning at the stake there was no emotional impact. There was nothing built up for us to care about. That may not be possible in the time they had, but even a small montage of her and Dracula's life together, the birth of Alucard, her interactions with Alucard. Any of that would have helped. But what is most missing here, and so very important because we did not have the time necessary to build that attachment with the viewer, is an emotional proxy at the burning scene. WHERE was Alucard?! Why was he not there to hear his mother's last words? A huge mistake. Leaving the entire scene lifeless, and emotionally dry. Dracula doesn't even get to see it happen. He just kinda showed up after she was already ash. It could have been a great moment to SHOW Dracula is capable of sadness as he witnesses the last moments of his wife's life, instead of RAWR ME BAD, YOU KILL WIFE, NOW I KILL YOU! EXCEPT I WONT HARM A SINGLE ONE OF YOU RIGHT NOW! I WILL WAIT A YEAR!
Why didn't Dracula at least slaughter everyone in that room brutally? I get it, he needed an army for destroying the world. But if he was truly that angry, why didn't he at least start with the people in that room? He let the dude who orchestrated it all LIVE for a year or more? Makes no God damn sense if you want to believe Dracula as an actual character and not a giant plot device.
HELLO MY NAME IS DRACULA. I AM DOING WHAT I NEED TO DO BECAUSE PLOT. LISTEN TO MY EXPOSITION, THANK YOU. SEE YOU NEXT YEAR!!
Man, how about hire a writer who gives a shit about Castlevania and can actually string a decent adaptation together... We knew from the get go, from the old interviews, that Warren really doesn't give a shit about Castlevania, and the extent of his experience with the franchise story is about 10 minutes on Wikipedia. Even then, he should have still picked up on Sypha's backstory...
I bet he didn't even watch a play through of the game, let alone play it through himself.
-Pazuzu:
What were you expecting from a series based off of CV3?
Because it seems like a lot of dialogue was removed, perhaps this is why the dialogue conversations in the series seems strange.
A church who is tries everything in their power to protect Wallachia from Dracula, and having exhausted all the options, rise above people's fear of what they don't understand and reach out to the Belmont family. Sure, there's the Inquisition but some are fine with employing witches.
So, basically the opposite of what we got in the animated series.
A church who is tries everything in their power to protect Wallachia from Dracula, and having exhausted all the options, rise above people's fear of what they don't understand and reach out to the Belmont family. Sure, there's the Inquisition but some are fine with employing witches.
So, basically the opposite of what we got in the animated series.
Not gonna lie: that wouldn't have logically existed back in the 15th century.
[...]gigantic historical error the original game made
You (not you Aiddon SPECIFICALLY, but anyone) liked this "historical accuracy"? Great! Keep it up! But some people don't like it, some people think this was a bad choice. They're not "History illiterates", they only wanted this theme from the original story to be kept intact. It wasn't, and now they're upset. Let them be upset without trying to "debunk" their logic, it makes no sense on this context.For what it's worth, I'm an Art History major and studied history pretty in-depth, with a specialization in church architecture. The "historical accuracy" thing just doesn't fly, but I'm not gonna bother with that discussion since it obviously won't go anywhere.
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But wouldn't that retread what they've already shown?
For what it's worth, I'm an Art History major and studied history pretty in-depth, with a specialization in church architecture. The "historical accuracy" thing just doesn't fly, but I'm not gonna bother with that discussion since it obviously won't go anywhere.
I could tell people how everything "should" have looked, architecturally (poor man’s Byzantine for Wallachia) and dress-wise, but I doubt anyone would be interested in such pedantry. :P
So, I ask: Why is Dracula, the historical centerpiece of this franchise, getting a pass, but the Church isn't?
For what it's worth, I'm an Art History major and studied history pretty in-depth, with a specialization in church architecture. The "historical accuracy" thing just doesn't fly, but I'm not gonna bother with that discussion since it obviously won't go anywhere.
I could tell people how everything "should" have looked, architecturally (poor man’s Byzantine for Wallachia) and dress-wise, but I doubt anyone would be interested in such pedantry. :P
But wouldn't that retread what they've already shown?
Because the depiction of the church as a misguided, self-justified savior while at the same time being responsible for instigating Dracula's wrath in the first place is an interesting plot point.
See, here is where I wanted to arrive. As Dracula9 already pointed out: You're allowed to like it because you think it is cool.That's with a lot of fanbases, though. I mean, for the while when "gritty, realism" was a trend, people were actually saying, "It's better, because it's more REALISTIC!", as something more realistic makes it objectively superior. Because it will ALWAYS be based on one's opinion, it will ALWAYS be subjective, regardless how much a person tries to rationalize it to themselves and others as an undeniable truth.
This is my criticism. The people here complaining of the portrayal of the Church are not alone. I've seen hundreds of them already, and every single time the same pattern takes place:
1. Person A complains of the Church's portrayal, because they think it'd be cool to not use the same tired cliche for the 47394th time.
2. Person B sweeps in. Corrects person A about how it is historically accurate and "therefore objectivelly superior".
This "therefore objectivelly superior" part is the problem: Something being historically accurate in FICTION doesn't make it automatically superior. And these people are not only claiming this, but ALSO claiming Castlevania was really like this (hint: it wasn't).
I've seen this enough in 3 days (not once, not twice, but hundreds of times) that I'm slowly and irrationally losing all respect for the Castlevania fanbase in general. One HUGE section of the fanbase is activelly silencing and shaming the other because of an idiot argument about "historical accuracy" that implies some sort of intellectual superiority, when they really mean "I like it because it's cool".
Another thought that just occurred to me when examining the series. With the Speakers being a nomadic people that are scattered among various tribes makes me wonder if they aren't modeled after the Romani (the Romani being one of the largest minority groups in modern day Romania)I think this is exactly what we're supposed to think. I got this right away.
kinda feels surreal that we're leaving the era of Lords of Shadow and entering a new animation era.
is it just me or is his crest the LoS Belmont crest?
character designs are ok. I liked Trevor's outfit. is it just me or is his crest the LoS Belmont crest?
The church sucks in real life and in the series. Makes sense to me.
I wonder if the corruption of the church will be a plot point later on explaining where are all the dark cults that keep resurrecting Dracula will come from.
It's not just you, because it is.well that put me in a good mood :)
There's a problem with anti-church stance this series aside from it simply not fitting in with what was established before. That's actually fine because this series seems to be a similar yet different take on the CV mythos anyway. The problem I'm talking about is that it makes Dracula' motivation for wanting to destroy humanity completely nonsensical.
In this series, humanity's evil actions seems to fueled by the fear of an authority figure, the church. This is illustrated in the series itself by the exchange between the Bishop and the Mayor, the latter clearly having second thoughts about Lisa's execution. Clearly, the local village people don't have any power to stand up to the church, either. So Dracula's blames them for what exactly? If they don't resist the church they're fucked by Dracula, if they do the right thing and resist they're fucked by the Church.
Why doesn't Dracula just go after the church? Why don't Dracula, the village people, and the Belmonts just team up? In this series, Dracula only does what he does because that's what the plot requires him to do. There's no logic to any of this.
In story of the original timeline, the point is made that humanity is capable of committing atrocities on its own volition. This means Dracula actually has somewhat of a point. Fleshing that out would have ten times more interesting than going for the lowest hanging fruit: the church is evil!
There's a problem with anti-church stance this series aside from it simply not fitting in with what was established before. That's actually fine because this series seems to be a similar yet different take on the CV mythos anyway. The problem I'm talking about is that it makes Dracula' motivation for wanting to destroy humanity completely nonsensical.
In this series, humanity's evil actions seems to fueled by the fear of an authority figure, the church. This is illustrated in the series itself by the exchange between the Bishop and the Mayor, the latter clearly having second thoughts about Lisa's execution. Clearly, the local village people don't have any power to stand up to the church, either. So Dracula's blames them for what exactly? If they don't resist the church they're fucked by Dracula, if they do the right thing and resist they're fucked by the Church.
Why doesn't Dracula just go after the church? Why don't Dracula, the village people, and the Belmonts just team up? In this series, Dracula only does what he does because that's what the plot requires him to do. There's no logic to any of this.
In story of the original timeline, the point is made that humanity is capable of committing atrocities on its own volition. This means Dracula actually has somewhat of a point. Fleshing that out would have ten times more interesting than going for the lowest hanging fruit: the church is evil!
Why doesn't Dracula just go after the church?
the lowest hanging fruit: the church is evil!
I think it's to do with the line "there are no innocents!" that he proclaims. Firstly, the people stood by and watched, regardless of whether that was out of fear. Then, they celebrated a year later, the people joining in to him was evidence that they were glad that the alleged witch was dead.
Indeed, and he even gave them a chance out of respect for Lisa. He gave them one year to make peace and flee which was far more than they ever gave Lisa.
poor old woman left Wallachia in desperation with the clothing she had on her body for nothing lol
Well, she was sick anyway and Lisa was prolonging her life. So, without Lisa, I doubt that she would like for 1 whole year. She must have died from natural causes before the ultimatum was up. That's what I think. Better die from natural causes than be demon chow.
Because he makes comments multiple times that suggest he's been wanting an excuse to have a Purge for quite some time, and Lisa was the only thing stopping it.
The only people who interpret the show's message as anti-religion or anti-church are either religious people looking for something to take as blame or people who are already anti-church looking for a dog in their corner.
If the common people are supposedly afraid of the church, then why do they all seem to express surprise and volatility when Trevor spills the beans on the actions of the bearded priest who was fucking with the old guy? Why go to the lengths of pointing out the problems with a priest carrying a thief's dagger at all times or bullying an old man who'd done no wrong if not to establish this point?
Trevor confronts the village headman known as the Domn and fails topersuade him to protect the Speakers. The Domn claims he is powerless because the city is under the control of the Church.
In the games he wanted to destroy humanity because they killed Lisa, same happens here. If he wanted to destroy only the culprits, he could've destroyed the village in the game, same here. I understand that if he wanted to take revenge by killing the culprits it wouldn't make sense, but Dracula conversation with Alucard shows that he isn't interested in killing only the culprits.
I think it was only established (very clumsily in his exchange with Lisa) that Dracula was very cynical of humans. I think it's actually a good thing to establish that because then you could make Lisa's death more like the last straw rarther than the sole cause for Dracula going on a genocidal rampage. However, your claim about Dracula basically being a ticking time bomb is not something I see reflected in any of the dialogue.
I think it's pretty clear the author is using this show as his personal vehicle to express his views about religion, consciously or unconsciously. I don't particularly care but I think it's strange to deny it.
Here's a line from the original summary from a couple of years ago. This scene occurs after Trevor defeated the Cyclops and before he's taken to the Bishop:
QuoteTrevor confronts the village headman known as the Domn and fails topersuade him to protect the Speakers. The Domn claims he is powerless because the city is under the control of the Church.
I believe this scene was cut but the point is that this proves Ellis clearly views the village people as having no agency of their own. This is further supported by the scene you brought up about the village people being suprised they have been misled by the church. All this does is illustrate that Dracula is being unreasonable as fuck.
One thing I had noticed during my first viewing is the girl with the pink outfit during the Trevor questioning the townspeople montage in episode 2. Is she a homage of Yoko from the Aria of Sorrows/Dawn of Sorrows?
This may very well be--we have evidence to support scenes whose being cut butchered the narrative flow, and this is no different. However, the old script's contents which don't make an appearance I don't personally feel are entirely validated as factors of consideration, if only because we (currently, I'll gladly change my stance if it's confirmed) don't have any confirmation proof that this particular exchange was cut and its concurrent scene butchered because of it.
Beyond the current lack of a definitive answer, though, I otherwise agree with your stance on the matter.
Actually, I’m not a gamer! And the awful truth is that I’ve never played or even seen the game. Terrible, isn’t it?
So I’ve written what I think of as Season Two already, which is where I move away from the source material somewhat, stretch my legs, and probably get a little eccentric in places.Well crap.
I would like to say one more thing about this subject and then I'll shut up about it. I think another factor that supports my claim that the village people have no agency is the fact that Ellis shows us the church employs a bunch of thugs to intimidate the local populance. I suppose they could have gone with the "the village people are fools who having been misled by the church, therefore they too must die" angle but then why show the thugs? Wouldn't it made more sense in that case to write the Bishop like a charismatic figure who manipulates others into doing his bidding? Basically like Graham Jones.
Actually, I’m not a gamer! And the awful truth is that I’ve never played or even seen the game. Terrible, isn’t it? When I was first contacted about Castlevania, some 10 years ago, I went to the internet to look it up.
--Warren Ellis
idea for Season 2: instead of the bosses from the game (like Medusa, the mummies, the water dragons, the Creature, etc) being random obstacles to get to the next stage, Dracula sends them out like assassins in the vein of Ninja Scroll and the Vampire Hunter D novels. Have them be personal captains of his forces while Death is his right hand man in the castle. Also, they're gonna have to pick one hell of a voice actor for Death.
Just imagine how awful the script for the live action movie must have been if even Adi Shankar thought it sucked.
idea for Season 2: instead of the bosses from the game (like Medusa, the mummies, the water dragons, the Creature, etc) being random obstacles to get to the next stage, Dracula sends them out like assassins in the vein of Ninja Scroll and the Vampire Hunter D novels. Have them be personal captains of his forces while Death is his right hand man in the castle. Also, they're gonna have to pick one hell of a voice actor for Death.Yep, I agree, this ^ is the best format the series could take.
Yes, Adi Shankar has no idea what he's doing :rollseyes:
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Sorry mang, not an argument.The hell?
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You won. Most people are on your side. Dissenting opinions are hunted like Lisa through the internet. No need to shame people who think Shankar is edgy.
The hell?
I was under the impression that Rotten Tomatoes were the strictest critics on teh interwebz.
Some people just don't understand how Rotten Tomatoes works and use it as the final word on the matter. It quite clearly isn't.Ok. Thank you for clarfying that.
Let me stop you right there. It doesn't matter how it's written in the games because we're discussing the writing of show, not the games. Excusing bad writing by pointing at something else isn't a very strong argument.
Sorry mang, not an argument.
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Face/Off and Spy Kids must be objectivelly superior to Castlevania, right?
You won, dude. Most people are on your side. Dissenting opinions are hunted like Lisa through the internet. No need to shame people who think Shankar is edgy.
lol
at least the audience score isn't that broken like the tomatometer... for now.
If they don't take care it will become Metacritic 2.0:
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Maybe if you paid more attention to the rest of the post, outside the part you set as bold, you would notice that it was a comparison and wasn't the main part of my argument. Its only natural natural that I would use the game as an example for one of the similarities while at it.
Ellis moving a bit away from the source material for season 2 isn't something I like to hear.
The last thing I want to see is another creative head get too full of themselves like Enric Alvarez did with Lords of Shadow 2.
Creative liberties are all well and good but please, try to reel it in a bit...
All Rotten Tomatoes tells me is that currently 10 out of 11 people on the internet gave this show a positive review.
Cory In The House >>>>>>>>>>>>> Castlevania. All of them.
DUDE IMAGINE CORY FIGHTING VAMPIRES IN THE HOUSE! WITH RAVEN AS HIS ASSIST!
"Cory!"
"Raven!"
"Cory!"
"Raven!"
"Cory!"
"Raven!"
Is Raven her dimension's version of Nostradamus? DID RAVEN PREDICT 1999????
Who cares if it isn't your main argument? I was just pointing out it isn't relevant to this discussion.
Excusing bad writing by pointing at something else isn't a very strong argument.
In the games he wanted to destroy humanity because they killed Lisa, same happens here. If he wanted to destroy only the culprits, he could've destroyed the village in the game, same here. I understand that if he wanted to take revenge by killing the culprits it wouldn't make sense, but Dracula conversation with Alucard shows that he isn't interested in killing only the culprits.
It doesn't seems to matter why, someone could've tried to do the right thing and yet no one did. This theme seems to be recurring in the animated series: Do the right thing, don't let lies prevail, etc. So even if its not humanity alone but a guy from the church that did this, the other present acted as accomplices by simply being there.
While Cory's gameplay isn't like CV, its a stealth game. If he hid in a box some time in this game I would laugh hard.
So you are saying that you don't care for my argument, but yet felt the need to find a specific part that doesn't reflected the argument and say that it wasn't relevant?
Yep, I agree, this ^ is the best format the series could take.
Otherwise they would probably end up adding unnecesary plot which would probably be out of place, or rather plot that would be ther just to be there.
But I guess I'm being a bit of a captain obvious here.
Only other format I can think of is "stand user of the week" as seen in Jojo's part 3, which would translate horribly to this series.
Ellis moving a bit away from the source material for season 2 isn't something I like to hear.Agreed. The amount of changes they made in the first season are about on the cusp of what I'm comfortable with as it is. Anything more extreme than that would start pissing me off, I think.
The last thing I want to see is another creative head get too full of themselves like Enric Alvarez did with Lords of Shadow 2.
Creative liberties are all well and good but please, try to reel it in a bit...
You guys are hilarious, I posted the pic to show the talk like Shankar is a hack is ridiculous, the critical praise for this show is not meaningless in the slightest. It means a lot more than some butt hurt fans. Don't like it? Ok, but it's probably just due to it not fitting your vision of the series. The quality it has as a work of cinema/television/ however you classify it is solid, and the critics back that up. Nobody is attacking or silencing dissenters... my god can we cut the drama? If anyone is trying to shut up people for disagreeing with them it is you guys.
So shut the fuck up, Alex. People are absolutely being silenced over this. Stop running your fucking mouth when you don't know everything that's going on.
It means a lot more than some butt hurt fans.
And here I was thinking that we are better off than the other fandoms... I was mistaken.
Using Rotten Tomatoes an objective indicator of quality is stupid, especially if the consensus is a whooping 11 people.
Things are getting very heated but during the LoS period it was worse, I think.
Things are getting very heated but during the LoS period it was worse, I think.
I go away for a couple of days and suddenly this thread:
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Not nearly that awesome, unfortunately.
Being a purist about a book i understand. Being a purist about a game with barely any story (having A LOT OF STORY FOR A NES GAME doesnt make if full of story)
For all we know IGA might have changed the CV3 story to something like that had he gotten the chance to do CV3R.
Things are getting very heated but during the LoS period it was worse, I think.
Of course it is not a full story, man. Nobody here is saying it is. And nobody here wants down-to-a-comma purism. At least, I don't. It's not even ENOUGH story to want a "true purism".
Hypotheticals aren't really debatable. And if he did, many would dislike it just aswell. IGA is not a god, and "it's good because IGA did it" is just as ignorant as "it's good because Ellis did it".
Then i dont get your reaction. It might not be the BEST ADAPTATION EVER DONE (Well, maybe the best videogame adaptation so far but that's not a huge achievement) nor be a flawless series but the reactions some people have here make it appear like if it was less faithful than the RE movies
I think threads like this would be much better off if those who do not like the subject made a comment or two about why they don't like it, and then moved on.
If you don't like something why continue to go back and check up on its thread just so you can continue to debate why you think it sucks with those who come here for a positive forum experience?
If you don't like it great, tell us why and move on. Don't keep beating it into the ground and antagonizing the fans who did like it.
THAT is what creates a hostile forum environment and I can imagine that users who come here and see that type of behavior get turned off. This isn't about silencing fans, it's about maintaining a positive forum experience.
For the record I didn't like everything about the show. I didn't like the music. I'm not gonna chime in every time I see someone praise the music to remind them that I think it sucks. I don't like arguing with people. Especially about things I don't care for.
The LoS series was a dark age. I sincerely hope we never have to go back to those times ever again lol
Season 2 out this summer:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-19/netflix-castlevania-writer-2nd-season-premieres-this-summer/.126679 (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-19/netflix-castlevania-writer-2nd-season-premieres-this-summer/.126679)
Will Trevor's balls survive the season?
Will Trevor's balls survive the season?
Looking at what happened here with LoS and now with the animated series, just imagine if the forums existed when this came out, the world would be burning and Dracula would be ruling it with the hate generated by it:Still better than the Judgment redesigns.
Season 2 out this summer:
Will Trevor's balls survive the season?
that is probably a question for sypha(https://i.imgur.com/dqfcl3C.jpg)
Grant's main role in this series is gonna be as Trevor's balls' enemy. He's just gonna kick em more.
Season 3 got announced:What??
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/ (http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/)
Season 3 got announced:
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/ (http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/castlevania/news/a858887/castlevania-season-3-renewal/)
I thought they would wrap Dracula's Curse in season 2, interesting. Maybe they'll incorporate CoD's story with CV3 characters in season 3?
Maybe they'll incorporate CoD's story with CV3 characters in season 3?
I think we're more likely to get a RoB/SotN sequel than a CoD anime.
My dream series would be
DC - DXC - OoE - 1999 - AoS
I saw somewhere a while back that it was slated for mid-to-late July. I want to say July 25....
Note: Fatal for Non-Belmonts!This made me smile
Idle thought: Curse of Darkness with Netflix Trevor.I felt like if Netflix Trevor cleaned up a bit he would be pretty similar to CoD Trevor, something I think was intentional.
July 7th marks the 1 YEAR Anniversary of #Castlevania on @Netflix! We'll be celebrating with a… BIG announcement coming later this week!
Hey everyone! Keep your eyes open this week. ???? #Castlevania
Is that fucking Hector?
Bald Hector? Do you want to see people riot, dude?I mean... the coat... it's so similar...
I mean... the coat... it's so similar...
Adam Deats has suplied us with a wonderful little piece of concept art from the board artists: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhb6tWrXkAIM6-i.jpg:large.
I'll launch a crazy hypothesis: Trevor will get to battle some foe (maybe even Dracula himself) and fail to hurt him, then escape to survive. This will prompt him to seek the upgrade. It makes no narrative sense for him to attain this upgrade if he doesn't know that the standard leather whip does not hurt something that he's seeking to fight back (or maybe it does and I'm just failing to see it, but I'll stand by my hypothesis for now).
Should we be expecting something more today? Maybe an official release of the leaked teaser?They never confirmed anything. The tweet powerhouse posted is probably referring to the release date sadly...
Shankar has just announced on Anime Expo that the second season drops in October 26th.Shit just got realz!!
There was also a Season 2 teaser, but everyone not on the event got (expectedly) bamboozled via stream and saw nothing.
EDIT: Teaser has leaked (https://twitter.com/TheGeeklyGrind/status/1015028525047271424). I'm pretty sure that you can see Grant in it this time. Including him being transformed into a monster.
EDIT: I think I also spotted Olrox.
Idle thought: Curse of Darkness with Netflix Trevor.
Honestly didn't like the Netflix series much at all. I couldn't even finish the first eps all the way. Just got bored.
I was hoping they'd finish the entirety of Dracula's Curse in Season 2, but confirmation of a Season 3 may not make that the case.
Why not?
There is still a very good possibility that Season 2 raps up the events of Dracula's Curse and if rumors are true it may even mix in a bit of Curse of Darkness as well.
Season 3 could end up covering the events of Symphony since the producers appear to be going fan favorite storyline route, also SOTN ties in to the events of CV3 due to Alucard so it would make sense, but honestly I would love for this to be a long running series and have them cover the storylines in order such as Adventure or CV1 and CV2 etc but I get the feeling this will not be a long running series and as such they are just going to probably do the storylines that are connected the most and those stories would probably be just CV3/CVCOD/CVSOTN/CVAOS.
Because Trevor's voice actor is confirmed for season 3
Looks like we will delve into Hector's past and his betrayel, he's not just a throw away villain...
I'm very surprised to see Hector in this, but still no signs of Grant anywhere....
I give you one year, Wallachians. You have one year to make your peace and remove any marks you have made upon the land.
One year. I gave you one year to make your peace with your God. And what do you do? Celebrate the day you killed my wife. One year I gave you, while I assembled my armies. And now I bring your death. You had your chance.
No comment on how well done and true to the series this is looking?
>nagumo reaching harder than kobe sinking a slamdunk because the reach fits the narrative she wants to be real
well this certainly hasn't happened before or anything
Is Maria in it yet
I'm still salty over how they changed Sypha's background and made the Church--which is at war with Dracula, employs (even raised) Sypha, and also seeks out Trevor--into the bad guys for Season 1. What?! Some of this remixing of mythology reminds me too much of Lords of Shadow--it's shock theater with piecemeal nods. I just haven't been able to fully get on board with this adaptation yet.
true to the seriesIt isn't.
Calm down. If you don't agree with what I'm saying, just tell me why. I'm just trying to get a conversation going.
and remove any marks you have made upon the land.
You had your chance.
It isn't.It's true to IGA's Castlevania. While he doesn't have a role in the series anymore, when this project was originally being drafted, IGA DID guide some of the story beats. I remember hearing Warren was annoyed how insistent IGA was in keeping various beats and events true to the IGA timeline (post-SOTN canon). Even the "war on humanity", which I recall IGA saying LoI was when Dracula declared "war on God", and Lisa's death was when he declared "war on humanity".
But it's still a fun reinterpretation.
It isn't.
But it's still a fun reinterpretation.
It's true to IGA's Castlevania.
If you are measuring it up in the strictest sense in comparison to the IGA established timeline's story and this netflix one than sure it isn't true to the seriesOh
idea for Season 2: instead of the bosses from the game (like Medusa, the mummies, the water dragons, the Creature, etc) being random obstacles to get to the next stage, Dracula sends them out like assassins in the vein of Ninja Scroll and the Vampire Hunter D novels. Have them be personal captains of his forces while Death is his right hand man in the castle. Also, they're gonna have to pick one hell of a voice actor for Death.
so they add Hector but still scratch out Grant? the writer/leader of the whole cartoon is really stupid and closed minded when it comes to Grant. ok, so you find his last name dumb, then alter the name if you have to! dont write out a character from the original story just because of their family name!
and if they feel a pirate is out of place in that time and place, then Grant could still be a thief!
anyways, in CVIII, Grant is first met as a monster before becoming human afterwards, so they could still add Grant later on.
if they don't, then the cartoon is really just a what if spinoff that is not canon and not faithful to the source material. all because the writer/director is too incompetent to adapt one of the 4 key heroes from CVIII into the animated series. pathetic of them. Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust had a more intelligent and talented director and team that had a lot more hunters involved, and they had less time to tell their story in a single movie! whereas CV has multiple episodes that are well over 6 hours long combined. ha, if that CV cartoon director directed The Warriors movie, he would cut out 6 of the 9 gang members in the story.
4 heroes is apparently too much for their mind to handle
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Um, I think you've over reacted. Anyway, the producer has already hinted that Grant will be involved. And Ellis mentioned years ago that Grant would show up in part 2, which in this case means season 2.
If you're just going to copy-paste something then what's the point of adapting it in the first place?
Plus it's kind of ridiculous to claim that the production team and Ellis are disrespectful of the franchise or never researched it
In the case of something like Death of Superman, faithful is better because it makes the story more presentable to people who aren't fans of the original storytelling medium.
In the case of Castlevania though, I agree wholeheartedly with your point and have often expressed similar sentiments. Not many people seem to be watching it who weren't already connected to the franchise in some way -- almost every single viewer seems to be either a fan of the existing Castlevania franchise, or a friend of said fans. The latter seem to view it as a decent place to step aboard (and it is; it even starts essentially at the beginning of the story!) but are nonetheless "familiar enough" with it.
So, given that basically every viewer possesses at the very least a cursory knowledge of the original material, Ellis has my fullest blessing to express a bit of artistic license. He gets to feel like his talents are used properly rather than as a very highly paid photocopier, and we get some twists and turns that keep things a little more interesting. It's a win-win in my opinion.
As long as he sticks to the major story beats like he's been doing, I really don't mind some changes elsewhere, even hefty ones.
I love the picture! Baby Al! Squeee~♪ :-*
Confirmed. Lady vampire in the trailer is Carmilla.There's three lady vampire sin that trailer. You mean the blonde one?
There's three lady vampire sin that trailer. You mean the blonde one?
Redhead vampire called Godbrand
https://twitter.com/seewhatsnext/status/1034212900385112064
Redhead vampire called GodbrandThank god(brand) its not Cornell. Leave the LoS Cornell in the LoS universe. Classic Cornell's a prettyboy and lives in the 1800s!
https://twitter.com/seewhatsnext/status/1034212900385112064
i wonder if the chinese vampiress will be Da Ji. I know she's a whole different kind of demon but still
i wonder if the chinese vampiress will be Da Ji. I know she's a whole different kind of demon but still
Now that I think about it, that poster might lend some more credence to my theory about Grant having a significantly reduced role. If he was part of the team, you just know they would have milked that for fanservice points.Regardless of what they are doing with Grant they certainly want to keep it under wraps until the series drops or some big reveal. Adi Shankar in particular is loving fan anxiety over this. I doubt he would just show up on a random poster reveal.
He's the single least frequently chosen playable character in Castlevania 3 by most numbers I've seen.
I'm going to ignore the part you said about macho and abs because I think you're being silly.
Yes, let's pull statistics out of our asses. That'll sure help the argument.
I suppose it'd be the same if they made he series and didn't add Sypha or Alucard.
Regardless of what they are doing with Grant they certainly want to keep it under wraps until the series drops or some big reveal.
Grant... kind of vanishes.
Sypha and Alucard have huge effects on the post-game story. Sypha goes off with Trevor and continues the Belmont and Belnades lineage -- essentially none of the post-Trevor Belmonts exist without her, and depending on exact lineage, Yoko might not either. Alucard later reawakens in Symphony of the Night and becomes a major mover and shaker of the plot. These characters are hugely important -- there's a distinct "before" and "after" in the chronology with them, and cutting either of them produces massive internal inconsistencies in the plot of the series.
Slogra and Gaibon were in Super Castlevania IV, so they're not native to only SotN.
They're also in Dawn of Sorrow.
And ancient skeletons of both of them can be found in the Condemned Tower Underground (Mine of Judgment), so they've been around for a very, very long time, it seems.
So placing them in Dracula's Curse time isn't out of place. I hope if/when they put out Pazuzu, he's bigger than them both.
Called it. The black tattoos gave it away.
SJW stormOh no... you're one of those :'(
Oh no... you're one of those :'(
I never cared for Issac's look in CoD. Too prettyboy-ish, and too clown-ish with all that makeup. :P It was never a good fit for CV. Whoever did the redesign probably wasn't a fan of the original either, however the redesign looks much better.
Wow, I am digging this redesign of Isaac to be honest. It's more pleasant to look at than his design in Curse of Darkness.Yeah, I guess, but all they had to do was give him a shirt and maybe tone down his makeup.
They've unfortunately been here since Castlevania dare state the obvious facts of various sects of the church being assholes.
Oh no... you're one of those :'(
They've unfortunately been here since Castlevania dare state the obvious facts of various sects of the church being assholes.
Looks like Dracula is having a blood drive:
https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/10/09/netflix-partners-up-with-the-red-cross-for-castlevania-season-2/
important announcementYes he is.
zombie puppy is the best character in castlevania
that is all
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Also, I feel like I didn't put enough emphasis on it, so...A million times this. It seems like they got rushed through the end, like maybe they had planned to finish it off in another season but for some reason had to wrap it up early.:-/(click to show/hide)
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I thought it was all fantastic, just wanted to ask how much did IGA have to do with this? did he work on the story or was he just a supervisor?
As much as I loved this season I have to say It stuck out like a sore thumb that they seem to have confused the mechanics of what a Devil Forgemaster is within the canon, pretty much Hector and Issac in this series are necromancers from everything I saw.
You know, creative liberties are a thing. There is a reason why they'll always say "Based on *Insert Franchise Here*". That is why they'll have original characters shoehorned with some new changes to pre existing characters like Isaac and some canon like changes.
You know, creative liberties are a thing. There is a reason why they'll always say "Based on *Insert Franchise Here*". That is why they'll have original characters shoehorned with some new changes to pre existing characters like Isaac and some canon like changes. While yes, this is basically Dracula's Curse, one can say it's just one big inspiration to create it's own stand alone story/timeline. Not to mention it isn't really easy to adapt a video game into a movie or series because it doesn't translate well in screenplay.
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Hey guys! Help me make a difference!
We need to reach Konami!
https://www.change.org/p/netflix-replace-the-belmont-s-iconic-whip-with-a-wooden-bedpost (https://www.change.org/p/netflix-replace-the-belmont-s-iconic-whip-with-a-wooden-bedpost)
Lets not abuse change. org, its for real things not for you to play about with, like people who are dyeing or soldiers who are being miss treated, you know Serious stuff. Not for some little git, to vent his childish frustration.Wait a second... you think I'm being serious?
and any real Belmont fan would be sickened by this, really man grow up. How bloody old are you 3?
Wait a second... you think I'm being serious?No its not, its very serious website for serious cause, and if you're to immature to understand that, then you really should be using the site, I mean doing it a joke are you for real? well do the decent thing and pull back some of you're credit and take your
Also Change.org has basically the same results as a wishing well.
Change . Org isn't 4chan, have some class
what about all the times 4chan used it for shitpost petitions like "label all users of tumblr as mentally handicapped landwhales" or "make the new mountain dew flavor hitler did nothing wrong" or "make taylor swift meet with the random guy we made win an online contest poll by abusing the voting method" or [insert any other time /b/ had a laugh with the site here]I don't know why this is so hard for you two to understand, Its not in any way funny to use a site like that as a place for ones Jokes, its as if you don't understand how serious and how much its needed, and the last thing it needs is the sites being filled up with so called "comedians" posting there 3 year old humor thus turning the site in to a joke, that noone goes to cos all they think is
changeorg is a pile of code and macros that means absolutely nothing on its own, it's up to the users to decide whether it's """serious""" or """immature""", and anyone who wants to pretend differently might need to reorganize their notions of what defines a sociopolitical platform's interpreted value
have some class yourself and take this derailing elsewhere, or better yet don't take an obvious joke as a serious offense next time
so anyway how about godbrand's weird accent that seems to change midsentence
You know, creative liberties are a thing. There is a reason why they'll always say "Based on *Insert Franchise Here*". That is why they'll have original characters shoehorned with some new changes to pre existing characters like Isaac and some canon like changes. While yes, this is basically Dracula's Curse, one can say it's just one big inspiration to create it's own stand alone story/timeline. Not to mention it isn't really easy to adapt a video game into a movie or series because it doesn't translate well in screenplay.
Pretty much; whether it be TV shows or films, media adaptations have had to pick and choose what elements to take from the source material. The Lord of the Rings for instance, while being incredibly faithful to the world Tolkien crafted, had to take HUGE liberties with it, trimming down plot elements, getting rid of extraneous characters, while at the same time expanding on some things and outright changing others. Same thing with superhero movies whether it be Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy or Marvel's MCU.SIR I agree 110%, and as CV as been known to flip its canon when ever it needs, I don't see why others got so upset about this, and I'm glad there's another Fan who thinks it was bloody amazing truly glad to see this, you sir have made my day
At the end of the day, this is what matters in terms of adaptation: quality and execution. Whether or not it's faithful to the source material is irrelevant (paradoxical as that sounds). Furthermore, it means regardless of familiarity with the source material the audience is surprised because watching a story you already know is boring. As such, I'm interested to see what Season 3 does
SIR I agree 110%, and as CV as been known to flip its canon when ever it needs, I don't see why others got so upset about this
Its not really that I'm upset with changes since as I pointed out earlier I LOVED this season and most of its changes, hell I even liked the change they did with Issac here with actually giving him more depth as a person in comparison to his COD counterpart, my only problem is just the core concept of Devil Forgemaster being relegated to being merely necromancers. Now make no mistake I'm NOT saying nor have I ever said I think this anime should be 100% faithful the the game series, HOWEVER, when you call these guys Devil Forgemasters and not give them their previous established powers as Devil Forgemasters than yes its something that sticks out like a sore thumb and is hard to overlook, it would be like having the vampires on this show drink brain fluid rather than blood. Really I think it honestly would have been better If they had just called Hector and Issac necromancers, sure it would have been weird but at least I would have known what I was getting with them powerwise.Well no I can see you point, too Putting it like that, it did really brake away from what they had been before, I think why I don't feel as strongly is cos we after CoD we never saw hector or another Forgemaster again, I mean there was talk that shaft was infect both necromancer and a Forgemaster then again that's only here say, but yes I can see your point there too, well put.
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And I wonder if they will Mash up CV 1 and CV 2
As i think we will move on to simon, and as Carmilla has hector as her slave, her plan is most likey to get The counts relics, and use hector's power to bing him back, and the Show brought up for as far as i can see no real reason That who ever Hector brings back will be loyal to him and his goals. and id bet that she has turned hector to keep him under her power. and to keep him alive.
So it'll be a race to the relics
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I really wanted to enjoy this but Warren Ellisignoring canon, adding unnecessary plot elements that don't add to the story, but do unnecessarily complicate it and turning characters 180° from the source materialbeing Warren Ellis made it very hard. It's not bad as it's own thing but for some reason it doesn't feel like Castlevania to me.
But they did increase the amount of fanservice, I'll give them that.
I enjoyed the first season, this one I have mixed feelings about.
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I can't quite explain it, but season 2 seems like they cut back on the animation. The lips didn't seem to sync even remotely decently, at least in the first couple episodes. Walking animations looked like I was watching Monkey Island. The art style seems much simpler as well. The frame rate was hella low to the point it was clear they skipped out on transitional frames (such as Carmilla taking her hood off). I went back and watched episode 1-1 just to see if they did the same in the beginning and I just forgot about it, but season 1 felt very different compared to season 2, even Lisa seems better in the first season. Season 2 just feel so much more simplified...
Question: Who was the bandaged demon Trevor fought with the minotaur and Malphas? Was that supposed to be demonified Grant or what?
Another thing that gets me....But having said that at the end of the day its just grant, and really who is that much of a fan of grant yes he did help rebulid after the war. And I keep reading how Ellis as ruined this and that. But sometime, to give something new life you need to shake it up. I mean think If IGA id stuck with alucard's old back story, he would never have become such a fleshed out character, same with the count.(click to show/hide)
some had a prob with him coming and changing things. But if hadn't CV would never had grown. and its the same here, you need to change some things to let these things evolve. And if you try and keep it the same then it will just die.
Jesus Christ, dude. Doing an adaptation of Grant won't suddenly kill Castlevania or "lock it in the same" wtf level of snowball fallacy are we into.No but at the same time, I really don't think it calls for this kind of fuss, cos at the end of day, he was the weak link, the one no one really cared about, he means so little that he's only been a in a few games , he was missed out of Julius mode. So even IGA didn't think he was that great.. so come on just give it go.(click to show/hide)
No but at the same time, I really don't think it calls for this kind of fuss,
Question: Who was the bandaged demon Trevor fought with the minotaur and Malphas? Was that supposed to be demonified Grant or what?
Yep, thread going to hell right on schedule just like last season, christ it's upsetting we can't discuss this without being snide and insulting all the time
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Inccubus....dude, chill out. It wasn't that horrible.
And some people do. I think this pretty much settles the issue ¯\_(o_o)_/¯
They do have enemies and other baddies in Castlevania that can somehow cast Holy Powers.
-Possessed Richter (confused human)
-Sniper of Goth (holy creature)
-White Fomor (Demon that mocks god by doing holy chants)
-Holy Armor (infused armor)
-White Armor (infused armor)
-Fallen Angel (flying Succubus that uses Holy Rings)
-Valkyrie and Erinys (flying spirit warriors)
...and more!
It would not be uncommon for an undead priest to be able to cast holy, because of two reasons:
-It's a creature created from Forgemastery (they have holy-elemental innocent devils in CoD)
-Just like Richter Belmont can be confused or coerced, whatever mind is left on this character is made to think they are still doing their Holy tasks.
Lastly, you can see that even though it is chanting and blessing the water, the water is clearly damaging its body, so basically the blessing will eventually overwhelm and exhaust the body, which does happen.
So I don't really see that much of a problem with the bishop and the blessing, nearly as much as I have a PROBLEM WITH MISSING GRANT AND OP ALUCARD!
Having said that, I enjoyed this series for what it is.
In the series, it's hard not to want the bishop and his church goons to suffer horribly. They held all the power, and thus they dictated what was evil and an acceptable target for their righteousness. It'd be hard to argue the villagers and townsfolk even had a choice in the matter, as even the Mayor was cowed into silence by the bishop when he hinted at the potential medical science had and that Lisa might not be as witchy as claimed. And the archbishop straight up taunted Dracula on the anniversary of Lisa's death. So you're left thinking Dracula was a lot more justified in his rampage of Wallachia, rather than it being morally ambiguous at best in the games.
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BishopAgreed. I thought that was unfortunate as well. They should have just had Carmilla capture a live priest and torture him into submission and then kill him after he blessed the river or something like that.
One of the things that bothered me about the first season was the technology angle.
Having more of that in the second season made it worse.
It is the equivalent of midichlorians in Star Wars.
Sucks the mysticism right out.
I viewed this season with the mindset that this animation is an alternative universe and in the point of view of someone who just heard of Castlevania (unburdened by the canon lore that we know). Well, with those frame of mind, I'd say, this season is good.
I love Alucard as the show stopper (but really, it should have been Trevor). Sypha is great. :)
I watched this with Japanese audio and English subs, because JP VAs. I still laugh with the reality that Ryotaro Okiayu is Trevor. Shinichiro Miki as usual is awesome. :)
But viewing it with the canon lore in mind, yes, I'm happy with the Easter eggs, but there's more left to be desired.
Then again, I'm reminded that this is an adaptation and not the canon lore, so yeah, a good season with a cliffhanger ending for COD season 3. I wonder if they'll make a season for Rondo and another for SOTN? I really want a SOTN season.
I don't see how they can do SoTN now without it being incredibly redundant.Actually with the exception of the ending, which will end up having some similarities, of course... it could be quite different. You've got a possessed Belmont, a dark priest, the succubus nightmare, etc... the story isn't too long, so if they do SotN it will likely share its season with Rondo of Blood as well... if they're smart, they'll also pull elements from Nocturne of Recollection.
* Make it clear that Alucard was present when his mother said her final words, but had arrived too late to save her/was incapable of reaching her where she was.
Which goes to show Ellis has a really poor grasp of the characters he's supposed to be adapting.
"if my death will bring happiness to everyone, I will gladly die" (Japanese version)Mm, call me crazy but I think that change was actually a good call. "Nah, son, let me burn to death and traumatize you and your father. It's cool, because these people want to burn me to death. :D"
Mm, call me crazy but I think that change was actually a good call. "Nah, son, let me burn to death and traumatize you and your father. It's cool, because these people want to burn me to death. :D"For real... that's worse than superman's dad in Man of Steel... Also I have to lol at the "smug atheist scientist woman" comment above. Some people have a hard time hiding their feelings on certain topics... There is nothing more saint like than healing people, given the time period, and the idea of her being a healer, the changes here were 100% warranted. I've got my problems with plenty of the changes in this series, there characterization of Lisa is not one of them. The kind of character some people seem to have wanted would be a completely 2 dimensional bore.
Saints don't die for no damn reason.
Also I have to lol at the "smug atheist scientist woman" comment above. Some people have a hard time hiding their feelings on certain topics... [...] The kind of character some people seem to have wanted would be a completely 2 dimensional bore.
"This has nothing to do with God" [backpedals immediately in response to Bishop's glare]That scene was genuinely awful, lol. No one in their right mind would behave like that around a bunch of authority figures who have burst into your home and started rummaging through your stuff in the 1470's. Probably my least favorite scene in the show just because of the horrible script.
"Oh no he's worse than Satan, because he actually exists!!!!"
All that was left was for Lisa to tip her huge fedora. This is kindergarden, Facebook meme-level atheism.
Also speaking of the Japanese SoTN does anyone else feel like we where robed with First translation, I've felt that it was so much deeper and made so much more sense to the rest of the plot line and things and read about the plot line. like that part where Alucard spoke to Richter at the end. that now really make sense why he passed on the whip, or to me at least.
And the PSP one but that's not perfect.
But Now... back to Season 2
For real... that's worse than superman's dad in Man of Steel... Also I have to lol at the "smug atheist scientist woman" comment above. Some people have a hard time hiding their feelings on certain topics... There is nothing more saint like than healing people, given the time period, and the idea of her being a healer, the changes here were 100% warranted. I've got my problems with plenty of the changes in this series, there characterization of Lisa is not one of them. The kind of character some people seem to have wanted would be a completely 2 dimensional bore.
Science [was] deeply intertwined in the Middle Ages, though.
There was very little science going on in the middle ages. If one was practising science 'he' and especially 'she' needed to be very careful of their studies or the church would come down hard on them. That's not to say there weren't those who did it secret as well as Wicca. The Church did accept science in some semblance, but only that which did not interfere with their Religious doctrine.
The Japanese SOTN is of course better than all translations but even if it has the deepest plot among all, please be reminded that IGA wanted to add more plot, but did not do so. Maybe all the missing plot went into Nocturne of Recollection?Yeah. I do wish we'd get a solid answer on why the Belmont's gave up the whip, its one of those things that keeps me up an night, I have my ideas,
Medicine itself wasn't heretical. Folk medicine became heretical during the Inquisitions, which was not until long after Castlevania originated. Lisa's crime, if anything, was that she was a learned woman. She probably also didn't have a license to practice medicine, which probably gave the Church reason enough to go after her. The Church had plenty of physicians as well as veterinarians by that time; blurting out that her lab had nothing to do with God might have sealed her fate, but it would have been quite feasible that all of her equipment would have been confiscated by the Church and adopted for research by one of the other clergy. In all likelihood, the bishop was just on a misogynistic power trip. Dracula's Curse took place in the 15th century, nearly two centuries after St. Albert the Great, but since it took place in Romania, it should have been an Orthodox Catholic Church, so the scholastics of Western Catholics might have been unknown to the bishop and others.
Except clearly Lisa's work wasn't folk medicine; even the clergy were like, "What the heck is all this stuff?!" They were just haters. :-X
you all know what the ultimate form of healing during the middle ages was
zombie puppy
As there's going to be a TON of CV merchandise Coming our way, there better be a Stuffed zombie Puppy.
What do you mean technology angle? And what mysticism got lost?
The simplicity of the source material was an opportunity to flesh out the story into an animated version of the game.I think The Plot twist sumed it up best
That is what I would have wanted. It could have easily been done without many changes to the original plot or characters.
It make sense to do it like that.
Netflix Castlevania has the same old issue every adaptation has ever had; it was made for no one.
Non-fans were unaware of the lore so changing it will make no difference to them, so why change it?
Some fans are all about the lore so you are guaranteed to lose them, so why change it?
Fix plot holes in the source material, I'm all for that.
But if you are putting your "creativity" above the basic lore because you know better what people will like, that is just ego.
Not having power ups drop from wierd candles, lanterns, and braziers is fine.
Not following the exact stage structure of the game is fine.
Not doing things in the same order because the replay mechanics are not compatible with the new medium is reasonable.
But not getting the most basic details of the time period correct is not good.
Making the main hero into a drunk gadabout is not good.
Making up an order of spellcasters instead of making Sypha an agent of the church is not good.
Making the church the ultimate evil when they were originally backed into a corner and out of options is not good.
Leaving out entire characters is not good.
If I have to pretend the adaptation of [insert thing I like] is an alternate reality / some other original work when it wasn't presented as such, then that is just dishonest and misleading.
Let me put it this way. Let's say tomorrow I sell you a remake of CV1.
In this remake I change Simon into a wizard and instead of candles and hearts you start with a selection of 4 spells.
Instead of power ups and hearts you are just able to use any spell any time, and all spells power up once midway through the game. I replace all the monsters and bosses with various evil gnomes. Every character speaks in a modern American dialect despite taking place in 1576 in Romania. And the entire game consists of 3 huge underground stages that lead to Dracula's tower at the end.
Would you feel satisfied that I provided you with a reasonable remake of Castlevania?
Or am I just milking the name to sell you my "creative" interpretation of how I think CV1 should be?
PS- Undead Puppy is the best thing the whole anime and the closest to an actual Innocent Devil they actually gave.
And some people do. I think this pretty much settles the issue ¯\_(o_o)_/¯You think that all those creative interpretation where amazing, and i really loved it. and i feel like saying that its like making Simon a wizzed is just to far.
As for Trevor's sword, I think maybe they confused curse Of The Moon with Dracula's Curse. I mean, the series is demonstrating extraordinarily well that Ellis and Deats know practically next to nothing about the source FRANCHISE. Forget just being ignorant of CV3 they are ignorant of everything that only a couple staff members (probably the art director) are familiar with. Someone in the art Department probably made the Belmont lair and Deats was like, "What the hell is all this crap in the background?" Then they explained it to him, and he was probably like, "Really? Oh, okay, yeah let's include that. Glad I thought of it."
To be fair, Reinhardt in Castlevania 64 also uses a sword for close quarter situations so it's not really new that a Belmont or atleast related by blood actually uses a sword, even Simon Belmont does in Haunted Castle arcade and also in Kojima's artwork from Castlevania Chronicles, looks way too long for a throwing dagger IMO
Regarding structure, it's something that botheres me about the LoS series, too: you would expect a Castlevania adaptation to follow the same structure of the games i.e the largest chunk of the story features the protagonists invading Dracula's domain. In the animated show, they rushed through this in one episode, even though it should have been the main focus. And before I get any condescending comments about how this wouldn't work, there are plenty of popular ( shonen) anime/manga that have entire arcs about invading the bad guy's base which also take time to focus on the characters. For example, the end of of the Phantom Blood arc from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (which a lot of Castlevania fans seem to like). I'm sure plenty of people here will disagree but I think it's a missed opportunity they didn't structure a Castlevania show in that manner.
They obviously favored the whip over the sword. That is a non issue. Belmonts have been depicted with swords since the Classicvania days.
Also, calling it Morning Star has obvious religious implications which are kind of strange, given "morning star" is a title often used as a translation for Lucifer, but I figure "sounds holy and cool" so they went with that.
The end of this whip kind of resembles a morningstar,
I honestly think there’s a much simpler reason why it’s the Morningstar whip. Morningstars are a type of club weapon with a spiked ball on the end of a shaft. The end of this whip kind of resembles a morningstar, but it’s a whip, so you can see why it’s called that. It’s nothing to do with religion most likely, and you’re overthinking things.Its a Game about Holy warriors and Your telling me that the name has nothing to do with religion... You wanna take then one again son.
Its a Game about Holy warriors and Your telling me that the name has nothing to do with religion... You wanna take then one again son.
it's actually more just a straight-up flanged mace head(although hollow-framed for some reason which would completely kill the momentum's weight, but it's magic oneshot so no trouble there)
the reason is most likely "the original series has a bunch of instances of calling the highest powerup for the whip a morningstar where the term is incorrect, there's a precedent, so let's just call it that too as a referential callback"
son.
seraph's a womanAs our good pal Trevor Belmont would say (
seraph's a woman
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Also, "Bloody Tears" was cool, but I don't really know how this show could add in more songs from the games without it coming off really fanservicey and totally stupid, though that's just my opinion I guess, WOOOOOOOO.
There's no gender motif on TatteredSeraph's profile so maybe Guy Belmont couldn't tell. But then again 'Queen of the Damned' could also be a dead giveaway. I don't know :-\
It's also not like I've never said im a woman. The QotD title tag does indeed give it away as well.
As for Guy - you say you don't care and try passing it off as a Trevor quote. Im willing to bet you'd be up in arms sulking if you got called a woman, or daughter. Saying you don't care comes across as rather sexist quite frankly. As Sypha said, 'He's rude’. I do not appreciate being card a man, as it is hardly a gender neutral thing to call someone 'don't. Please don't call me that again.
As for the Morningstar reasoning and the themes relating to religion and other hints in the thematic of the series as well as just being a game reference, I'm more willing to bet that Warren called the whip that as a non religious reasoning first but the religious subtext would likely be amusingly ironic. There are different ways and layers the name can be read and reasoned, but it would surprise me if the religious reasoning was the first one. Maybe ask Sam Deats or Warren Ellis on social Media? Or ask Adi Shankar.
Grow up? I honestly think here that it’s you who needs to grow up here considering how rude you’ve been in reply to anyone who’s pointed out that I’m not a bloke, rather than do the polite thing and apologise. You are being sexist here.
Mods, apologies that this has ended up derailing the thread. However, attitudes like that I will call out, as much as I’m not in the mood for an arguement.
It’s your rude dismissal and lack of care when it was pointed out that you labelled me as a bloke, then had it pointed out that I’m not. That’s pretty sexist. Calling you out on that is hardly immature. You were rude in your reply when I asked please don’t call me ‘son’, when the decent, and mature thing for you to have done would have been for you to say a simple ‘I’m sorry’.
That's not sexist, if I thought someone was women and they were in fact a man and it played out my just like this has, my
attitude would still be the same grow up and get over it.
And If you care so much about being missed identified then bloody put your gender icon on. I own you no Apologies. Again this is your prob no move on and lets get back to topic.
:'( This brought a tear to my eyes...Well you know.
The concept art and canary that even the official artists are putting out is wonderful. The Sailor Moon Sypha was especially cute.Is this on Twitter?
Is this on Twitter?
Just as a point, I prefer Tattered or Tat as a shortening rather than Seraph. I've used the name for so long it's ended up the main shortening people as a whole use as a nickname so I end up feeling like im being called by my surname if I get called Seraph. :)Oh sorry to hear about your Surgery, really sorry, hope you feeling better.
Life can be hard, for most people. Thank you though for being able to be able to accept the reason for the fault like that. Like I said though I'm not in a mood for arguements, as I've been going through a rough patch following major surgery several weeks ago. So all is good now, which I'm glad for.
Tbh it was Castlevania season two and excitement for it which got me through a fair bit, something bright to look forward to to follow from the horrible night. It ended up a very good output for me once it went up. Now I can't wait for season three. The concept art and canary that even the official artists are putting out is wonderful. The Sailor Moon Sypha was especially cute.
That was a good spot! It’s little touches like this that show what fans the animators are.Oh I'm so sorry there's nothing bloody worse then, I'm so sorry, I hope things get better from here on in.
I’m on the mend, bit by bit, just slowly, and it’s driving me up the wall.
Oh I'm so sorry there's nothing bloody worse then, I'm so sorry, I hope things get better from here on in.
On the plus side, two months along the line, I’m finally able to walk short distances without a walking stick if I’m not carrying anything, and finally given the ok to drive again if I’m careful.
Looks like Devil May Cry will be Adi’s next series. He says it’ll be in a multi-verse as Castlevania. I’d guess not the same world, but a crossover of some kind might be possible. Maybe have a character from one series go to the other universe, or maybe just make the a character or element exist in both universes. Or maybe it’s just a thematic, artistic, or production link.Honestly, I'm just hoping it's not Tameem May Cry all over again. My judgment's gonna focus mainly on how they handle Dante's personality in the adaptation.
http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/)
I hope it will get easier, I feel very sorry, as it sounds really rough :-[, really I'm sorry. hope you'r feel better today as well. :)
No plz god no don't... out of season April fools joke plz...
Looks like Devil May Cry will be Adi’s next series. He says it’ll be in a multi-verse as Castlevania. I’d guess not the same world, but a crossover of some kind might be possible. Maybe have a character from one series go to the other universe, or maybe just make the a character or element exist in both universes. Or maybe it’s just a thematic, artistic, or production link.
http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/16/castlevania-netflix-creator-reveals-devil-may-cry-animated-series/)
For DMC, they need to make it as absurd as possible. The thing about DMC is that it's almost a preemptive satire of the "dark and grim' video game setting that's become all the rage nowadays ever since stuff like Dark Souls took off.
Guys, if anyone had followed this guys work at all you would know that literally every fan product this guy has made is part of his "bootleg multiverse." So a cross over between Castlevania and Devil May Cry is about as likely as a crossover with Dredd, or Power Rangers.
PS: I would still not rule out a crossover. Shankar likes his fanfiction and is basically Super Waffle with more influence.
Well, the week of mainly bed rest that I had last week did wonders. I drove today at last! Two months after surgery, wooohooo! I treated my friends who’ve been helping me out to pizza as a thank you, as they came with me in case I found it was too soon to drive, and too painful to be able to drive. But hey, I’m seeing this as a few months of discomfort and inconvenience vs the decades of pain that I’ve been in, because my old GO wouldn’t investigate the source of the pain.Well I'm glad you things seem to be getting better, but i'm sorry they didn't investigate were the pain was coming from till now. Its very shocking to hear as you've been in pain for so long, but I'm glad things hopefully will pick up from here.
As for the DMC shared multiverse, I likewise hope that it’s not too much of a crossover tbh. A shared look and aesthetic and tone I wouldn’t be against. If they go for the same kind of animation style as Castlevania I’d be really quite happy with that. Seeing as personally I’ve really liked what they’ve done with Castlevania, I have faith in them for Devil May Cry. I’ve got the first three games, I just suck at them. But I love the universe.
Cheers, much appreciated.No prob.
No prob.
Also found this as I was just Looking over the Belmont holdagaini'm sure others found this too but if not here.
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I mean this show just keeps getting better and better.
Oh yeah, the library has whacked out loads of Easter Eggs. If you actually look at them closely, they even have the cataloging numbers from the SOTN bestiaryHmmm they did really well with all that.
I hope Alucard employs the Master Librarian to help with all that stuff in the belmont library. Maybe even look after it while he takes his centuries long nap.... Have... have you been reading my fanfiction or something? Like... this was the premise of an entire chapter... >_>
Is the Master Librarian capable of leaving Castlevania? I thought he was bound to it or something.
[...] we don't even know what he's supposed to be, a ghost, vampire, etc.
I hope Alucard employs the Master Librarian to help with all that stuff in the belmont library. Maybe even look after it while he takes his centuries long nap.You never know, that how we may get the Alucard spear in the Netflix universe, by mixing the counts knowledge of science and magic, and the Belmont's knowledge of hunting and magic. I think that be cool. as I always believed that the Alucard made the spear, by texts he found in the his family's book of secret arts.
... Have... have you been reading my fanfiction or something? Like... this was the premise of an entire chapter... >_>no, but maybe i should. where can i find it?
no, but maybe i should. where can i find it?Uh, I'll just give you a relevant excerpt:
The "he's actually real" part is the big fedora tip we didn't need.best part is that she's wrong about that too. in season 1 demons confirm to the bishop that god (and thus, also satan) are real. lisa's screwed when she gets to the afterlife.
best part is that she's wrong about that too. in season 1 demons confirm to the bishop that god (and thus, also satan) are real. lisa's screwed when she gets to the afterlife.Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine). Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.
Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine). Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.
It's worth pointing out that the video games don't align with typical Christianity either; they have reincarnation in their plots and such. If the show decides to get into that, too, and if Mina is included and they make it clear that she is Lisa reincarnated (which, I mean... come on, that's what she is), then the subject of the afterlife becomes a bit murky.
Hmm, there are Christians who don't believe in Satan, though, and the show also implies that grace through faith is insufficient (otherwise the bishop would have been fine). Your assumption is based upon the idea that disbelief nets you a one-way ticket to Hell, which not everyone subscribes to, not even all Christians.
That being said: I feel that, since escaping the "cycle" of Dracula is Plot Element Number One of Soma's arc, having Lisa (a major component of the cycle, if not the most major) be tied up in that would actually sabotage the purpose of Soma's reincarnation. Letting go of the past is the biggest part of moving on, after all. This is why I think it serves the story arc a bit better to have Mina be the "someone new" that gets what's left of Dracula to move on from Lisa; now unchained from his past in every way, Soma is free to choose his path in a way Dracula wasn't able to.That's an interesting perspective on Mina's role in the story. Tbh, I just wish the series had actually clarified whether or not she was because it bothers me that it was never addressed.
Having Lisa involved in all of that just mucks up the storytelling, in my opinion. You CAN tell the same story with that, but I just think it gets needlessly complicated and a little less beautiful/meaningful.
Uh, I'll just give you a relevant excerpt:Oh thanks for that, I liked where it seemed to be heading.(click to show/hide)
Hmm, now that I'm re-reading it, I'm not too pleased. That's what I get for writing in the middle of the night. I may have to tweak it.