Topic: CASTLEVANIA THE LECARDE CHRONICLES II April 2017

[eryson]

Dracula represents in the EARTH what Satan represents in the HELL. Right? two opposite evil forces, each one in this plane.
Lets not compare each other, as well that we must not compare Lecarde Chronicles's with the canons because isnt the purpose of this game.

This game is beautiful and good enought to have HIS OWN storyline and parallel universe. So, lets not muddy this topic with these discussions, ok?

[DraculaCronqvist]

Just thought I'd chime in again and say that "Satan" is called "Maou" in Japan, which literally means Demon King. Now what title does Dracula have? Exactly. So in the Japanese version, you could argue that he's called Satan Dracula.

[Jop]

You miss one HP Max up

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aT5qSdLB7k

[theplottwist]

this is all just fans saying what they think a few words thrown together proves nothing even if in writing it would put Dracula over Satan. still don't mater because the makers of Castlevania never put that much thinking into it game Co. never do it's the fans like yourself that try to make scents of it. sorry still proves nothing thanks for trying tho it will always be up in the air that's a fact. not saying your 100% wrong or right i'm just saying we will never know.

From AKUMAJO DRACULA:

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Transylvania -- a small country in medieval Europe.

There is a legend about Dracula in this country.

"The Demon King Dracula is revived once in a hundred years, when the power of Christ weakens, by the prayer of humans with a wicked hearts.

And every time he resurrects, his magical power becomes stronger."

Once in the past Dracula resurrected into this world.

However, his ambition to cover the entire Earth with dark clouds and reign in a world of darkness was shattered by Christopher Belmont the hero.

Dracula was defeated by Christopher Belmont in a battle to the death, and was put to sleep for one hundred years.

In the evening of Easter, a grand festivity was held in commemoration of the resurrection of Christ in the town.

However, at a ruined monastery at the outskirts of the town, a black mass was held by the wicked men who poured the living blood of a human into the dead corpse of Count Dracula to restore his immortal life.

And at that moment, an evil cloud covered the town's sky and penetrated the monastery, the Demon King Dracula returned to the world with his dark ambitios once more.

To resolve this crisis, the young Simon who inherited the blood of the Belmont family went to Dracula's Castle alone, holding on his hands a whip of secret power from his forefathers.

From DRACULA DENSETSU:

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There are monster legends in Transylvania, a small country in Europe. There is the legend of the Demon King Dracula who has powerful magical abilities and frightens the people. But even though Dracula had revived many times, he always perished without changing the world to darkness. By the hands of Simon, the heir of the Belmont clan...

However, the Demon King Dracula already existed in Transylvania before his first confrontation with Simon. But not as a Demon King, but as an evil sorcerer...

Count Dracula, who was a devil worshiper, built a dark castle at the edge of Transylvania and conducted demonic ceremonies every night. He called a number of demons from another world, and was trying to become the devil with eternal life and magical powers.

And due to the constantly growing magical powers of Count of Dracula, people in the town became frightened and scared.

- But then a man stood up. Christopher, who is the ancestor of that Belmont family.

Christopher rushed to the dark castle, which is riddled with demons and traps. He was the only one who could destroy Count Dracula, who became the Demon King.

From AKUMAJO DENSETSU (I cut this one because the plot is enormous, and kept only the important part):

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Dracula borrowed the power of a dark evil god and summoned monsters one after another from the Demon Realm to Earth to rampage all across Wallachia.

[...]

Dracula had sold himself to the demon in order to make his own power extraordinary, but he was not satisfied with this and also forced his son into contract with the demon.

His son, who had not lost his human heart, resisted his father even after having his soul sold. But once he turned against humans, he came to learn hatred against his father at last.

But there is no chance of him winning a fight against his father who can also be said to be the devil himself.

Note on the above: The "demon" that keeps being mentioned to have been made a pact with is specified at the beginning to be the "dark evil god" of unspecified nature. And no, the "dark evil god" is not Satan. More on that at the end.

From RONDO OF BLOOD:

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In the good old days, people lived in prosperity and peace. Perhaps bad days would never come, or so everyone thought ....

Amongst prosperity and peace, there is always someone evil.

People who refuse to prosper, they claim that peace is corrupt. They gathered to revive the powers of the darkness and attempt to corrupt the world.

Their smiles expecting the creation of a new future.

After one hundred years, evil was resurrected. He who can turn into a bat, a wolf or mist, he who acts during the night. He who sucks the blood of damsels to replenish his eternal life.

Count Dracula, the master of the Demon Castle, God of Evil, was revived.

And that without mentioning other specific descriptions for Dracula calling him "incarnation of evil", "root of evil", "evil god", etc. It is constantly driven home the point that Dracula is the greatest evil on the Castlevania universe. Later games in the series go further than simply calling Dracula "Demon King" though, and explicitly say he sits on a throne atop the dark world (SotN), all demons are below him (Judgment), that he holds the power to command the forces of darkness and is the opposite of god (Aria/Dawn) and so on and so forth. It's a crushing amount of evidence.

About "Satan":

The Japanese term used to refer to Dracula most frequently is "Maō". This term is commonly understood in Japan to mean "Satan" because it is the Japanese word for a given entity representing the "ultimate evil". Its literal translation is "Demon King/Demon Lord", but yeah, it means Satan.

So, "Satan" is never mentioned because Dracula IS "Satan". "Satan" is an honorific, and on Castlevania, it belongs to Count Dracula (and later, after Dracula is dead, it is up for grabs). Whatever kinda pact Dracula made, it turned him into the opposite of god. In this sense, you could say Satan is mentioned all the time -- he's the star of the series. To put it into another perspective: Everytime you see the words "Dark Lord", it was the translation for Japanese's "Satan". If you replace every instance of "Dark Lord" with "Satan", it will be the same thing.

I get the confusion as it requires a bit of knowledge about how translations work. I also understand that western Castlevania manuals are in huge part to blame for this. But there's not excuse anymore. I shouldn't even be saying anything because I'm being extremelly redundant -- two people have already explained in detail what Dracula is.

Also, I commend Mig and Belmontoya for not stepping on the toes of the official canon. They managed to do their own lore and remain respectful to all fans of the series. They have their own villains, but whenever Dracula is mentioned, he is never diminished as a servant to no one.

Dracula represents in the EARTH what Satan represents in the HELL. Right?

Nope. Still on that note: When a place called "Hell" appeared on the series (Order of Ecclesia), Dracula was also de lord of it, literally sitting at its throne.

Reiterating: Dracula is Satan. He may not be "Lucifer", but he does hold the position Lucifer would (that of "Satan").

[Dracula9]

Reiterating: Dracula is Satan. He may not be "Lucifer", but he does hold the position Lucifer would (that of "Satan").

Given "Satan" derives from "Shayṭtān," and the Shayṭtān was not a singular species/entity, this is an absurdly simple way to explain it.

(Although, the Shayṭtān were subservient to Big Honcho Iblis, making them a powerful but still lesser species, but this is another aspect not entirely relevant to this context)

Also, I commend Mig and Belmontoya for not stepping on the toes of the official canon. They managed to do their own lore and remain respectful to all fans of the series. They have their own villains, but whenever Dracula is mentioned, he is never diminished as a servant to no one.

SO much this. That shit ain't easy.

[DraculaCronqvist]

From AKUMAJO DRACULA:

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Transylvania -- a small country in medieval Europe.

There is a legend about Dracula in this country.

"The Demon King Dracula is revived once in a hundred years, when the power of Christ weakens, by the prayer of humans with a wicked hearts.

And every time he resurrects, his magical power becomes stronger."

Once in the past Dracula resurrected into this world.

However, his ambition to cover the entire Earth with dark clouds and reign in a world of darkness was shattered by Christopher Belmont the hero.

Dracula was defeated by Christopher Belmont in a battle to the death, and was put to sleep for one hundred years.

In the evening of Easter, a grand festivity was held in commemoration of the resurrection of Christ in the town.

However, at a ruined monastery at the outskirts of the town, a black mass was held by the wicked men who poured the living blood of a human into the dead corpse of Count Dracula to restore his immortal life.

And at that moment, an evil cloud covered the town's sky and penetrated the monastery, the Demon King Dracula returned to the world with his dark ambitios once more.

To resolve this crisis, the young Simon who inherited the blood of the Belmont family went to Dracula's Castle alone, holding on his hands a whip of secret power from his forefathers.

From DRACULA DENSETSU:

(click to show/hide)

There are monster legends in Transylvania, a small country in Europe. There is the legend of the Demon King Dracula who has powerful magical abilities and frightens the people. But even though Dracula had revived many times, he always perished without changing the world to darkness. By the hands of Simon, the heir of the Belmont clan...

However, the Demon King Dracula already existed in Transylvania before his first confrontation with Simon. But not as a Demon King, but as an evil sorcerer...

Count Dracula, who was a devil worshiper, built a dark castle at the edge of Transylvania and conducted demonic ceremonies every night. He called a number of demons from another world, and was trying to become the devil with eternal life and magical powers.

And due to the constantly growing magical powers of Count of Dracula, people in the town became frightened and scared.

- But then a man stood up. Christopher, who is the ancestor of that Belmont family.

Christopher rushed to the dark castle, which is riddled with demons and traps. He was the only one who could destroy Count Dracula, who became the Demon King.

From AKUMAJO DENSETSU (I cut this one because the plot is enormous, and kept only the important part):

(click to show/hide)

Dracula borrowed the power of a dark evil god and summoned monsters one after another from the Demon Realm to Earth to rampage all across Wallachia.

[...]

Dracula had sold himself to the demon in order to make his own power extraordinary, but he was not satisfied with this and also forced his son into contract with the demon.

His son, who had not lost his human heart, resisted his father even after having his soul sold. But once he turned against humans, he came to learn hatred against his father at last.

But there is no chance of him winning a fight against his father who can also be said to be the devil himself.

Note on the above: The "demon" that keeps being mentioned to have been made a pact with is specified at the beginning to be the "dark evil god" of unspecified nature. And no, the "dark evil god" is not Satan. More on that at the end.

From RONDO OF BLOOD:

(click to show/hide)

In the good old days, people lived in prosperity and peace. Perhaps bad days would never come, or so everyone thought ....

Amongst prosperity and peace, there is always someone evil.

People who refuse to prosper, they claim that peace is corrupt. They gathered to revive the powers of the darkness and attempt to corrupt the world.

Their smiles expecting the creation of a new future.

After one hundred years, evil was resurrected. He who can turn into a bat, a wolf or mist, he who acts during the night. He who sucks the blood of damsels to replenish his eternal life.

Count Dracula, the master of the Demon Castle, God of Evil, was revived.

And that without mentioning other specific descriptions for Dracula calling him "incarnation of evil", "root of evil", "evil god", etc. It is constantly driven home the point that Dracula is the greatest evil on the Castlevania universe. Later games in the series go further than simply calling Dracula "Demon King" though, and explicitly say he sits on a throne atop the dark world (SotN), all demons are below him (Judgment), that he holds the power to command the forces of darkness and is the opposite of god (Aria/Dawn) and so on and so forth. It's a crushing amount of evidence.

About "Satan":

The Japanese term used to refer to Dracula most frequently is "Maō". This term is commonly understood in Japan to mean "Satan" because it is the Japanese word for a given entity representing the "ultimate evil". Its literal translation is "Demon King/Demon Lord", but yeah, it means Satan.

So, "Satan" is never mentioned because Dracula IS "Satan". "Satan" is an honorific, and on Castlevania, it belongs to Count Dracula (and later, after Dracula is dead, it is up for grabs). Whatever kinda pact Dracula made, it turned him into the opposite of god. In this sense, you could say Satan is mentioned all the time -- he's the star of the series. To put it into another perspective: Everytime you see the words "Dark Lord", it was the translation for Japanese's "Satan". If you replace every instance of "Dark Lord" with "Satan", it will be the same thing.

I get the confusion as it requires a bit of knowledge about how translations work. I also understand that western Castlevania manuals are in huge part to blame for this. But there's not excuse anymore. I shouldn't even be saying anything because I'm being extremelly redundant -- two people have already explained in detail what Dracula is.

Also, I commend Mig and Belmontoya for not stepping on the toes of the official canon. They managed to do their own lore and remain respectful to all fans of the series. They have their own villains, but whenever Dracula is mentioned, he is never diminished as a servant to no one.

Nope. Still on that note: When a place called "Hell" appeared on the series (Order of Ecclesia), Dracula was also de lord of it, literally sitting at its throne.

Reiterating: Dracula is Satan. He may not be "Lucifer", but he does hold the position Lucifer would (that of "Satan").

Again, very much this. It's very uplifting to see people knowing their lore. The only thing I have to add - I always thought of the Demon Castle has Hell itself, given that Dracula reigns over it and that the last area of the Castle in Stolen Seal/Order of Ecclesia is flat out called "Gates of Hell" and guarded, sometimes by a statue, sometimes by the actual Cerberus, the three-headed dog demon of Hell/Hades. So this only drives the point further home that in Castlevania proper, Satan is the title and Dracula holds it. Dracula is Satan, Satan is Dracula.

But to get back to the topic of LC2 proper, I really liked the game and look forward to playing the hell out of it some more times. That shit was thoroughly good. Now if only the MIDIs would be made public...

[Aceearly1993]

You miss one HP Max up

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aT5qSdLB7k

I encountered similar one at the entrance of Path of Untruth; is the max up still accessible after boss beaten? Or it requires certain button combination/extra condition?

[eryson]

Please, can someone post here the 100% map of the castle? i'm stuck in 99% even after finishing the game.

[Jop]

I encountered similar one at the entrance of Path of Untruth; is the max up still accessible after boss beaten? Or it requires certain button combination/extra condition?

I think you can obtain after you beat the boss, but im not sure if this is the way to obtain it, when you go to the altar, i think you need to enter from the right path you will hear a weird sound, its sound like a laser, you will know its something weird, im not sure if that part of the area, when you hear that go to the warp of the area and go to the 4 seasons, when you go there lisent the music, if its the music of the drop you will know you make it, just be warning, make that in a place where the item dont get stuck, if you find a way to obtain the max up in the path of untruth and know what to do tell me i will love to try to reach 1000hp XD.

Please, can someone post here the 100% map of the castle? i'm stuck in 99% even after finishing the game.

I make a map that have all the item and some helps of the areas:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/k8b83wdj331083e/Maps+Lecarde+Chronicles+2.zip

[DraculaCronqvist]

I think you can obtain after you beat the boss, but im not sure if this is the way to obtain it, when you go to the altar, i think you need to enter from the right path you will hear a weird sound, its sound like a laser, you will know its something weird, im not sure if that part of the area, when you hear that go to the warp of the area and go to the 4 seasons, when you go there lisent the music, if its the music of the drop you will know you make it, just be warning, make that in a place where the item dont get stuck, if you find a way to obtain the max up in the path of untruth and know what to do tell me i will love to try to reach 1000hp XD.


I make a map that have all the item and some helps of the areas:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/k8b83wdj331083e/Maps+Lecarde+Chronicles+2.zip

That is the map to end all maps. I love how this game came out like, what, a month ago, and already fans, of a fan-game, are so dedicated to build on it. The Castlevania-fandom is awesome.

[Aceearly1993]

I think you can obtain after you beat the boss, but im not sure if this is the way to obtain it, when you go to the altar, i think you need to enter from the right path you will hear a weird sound, its sound like a laser, you will know its something weird, im not sure if that part of the area, when you hear that go to the warp of the area and go to the 4 seasons, when you go there lisent the music, if its the music of the drop you will know you make it, just be warning, make that in a place where the item dont get stuck, if you find a way to obtain the max up in the path of untruth and know what to do tell me i will love to try to reach 1000hp XD.

As what I know, the laser sound it sounds just like the noise that you activated the path to final battle area, the path would be automatically opened but Still don't know what kind of specific conditions are; There're also reports that the glitch would erase Anna V.V battle flag if you catch the max up dropped at Path of Untruth entrance and if you didn't beat Anna V.V, then the bestiary of Anna V.V can't be recorded unless you edit save file...

I had lots of fun when finding the glitch/"inner(reads normally inaccessible) settings" in the game and collecting information through reports in the world;

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Skip Death glitch can also make the triple shot available to obtain in intro stage!

And the level of whirlwind (and other relics that have two levels, perhaps) is determined by the times you got the same kind of relic (If you didn't catch the whirlwind in first town, and go straight to where should be LV2 in the machine tower, you can only see the LV1 one lie there; the LV1 one in first town will become LV2)

[eryson]

I think you can obtain after you beat the boss, but im not sure if this is the way to obtain it, when you go to the altar, i think you need to enter from the right path you will hear a weird sound, its sound like a laser, you will know its something weird, im not sure if that part of the area, when you hear that go to the warp of the area and go to the 4 seasons, when you go there lisent the music, if its the music of the drop you will know you make it, just be warning, make that in a place where the item dont get stuck, if you find a way to obtain the max up in the path of untruth and know what to do tell me i will love to try to reach 1000hp XD.


I make a map that have all the item and some helps of the areas:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/k8b83wdj331083e/Maps+Lecarde+Chronicles+2.zip

This map is awesome. thanks jop.
Is this the map used by beta testers?

[Jop]

I did it.

[Belmontoya]

Here is the complete OST for those of you who are interested!

It is in the OGG format Mig used for the game. You will need to play it in a player that can read OGG files and loop tracks.

I will not have time to do my youtube videos as I had hoped to do. I will spend that time working on our next project instead.

If anyone wants to help get this stuff posted on the interwebs feel free. I suggest looping each track a couple times and fading out. Just give credits and plug the game! Thanks!

I've never shared a folder publicly with dropbox so if there are security problems or anything I will have to take this post down quickly. Hopefully it works. Thanks everyone! Enjoy!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g3aoor5dobn1yp4/AACwf85u_hUqYZtVK5tfZ9AYa?dl=0

[Jop]

Download!!!