Topic: Xmen Apocalypse Trailer

[darkmanx_429]

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/x-men-apocalypse-trailer-now-online


Looks like this year will be the year of superhero movies.

What I do like about this trailer is that there are virtually no spoilers.

Happy to see my man Archangel, but where the hell is his blue skin?

Don't know how I feel about the voice of Apocalypse though. I am sooo used to hearing that voice actor from the 90's cartoon. Apocalypse voice should be EPIC, this sounds more cerebral and normal....

[zangetsu468]

Looks good, but agreed that his voice isn't epic enough, 90's cartoon was more badass.

If he's so strong why doesn't he just kill everyone and

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make his better world though

seems a bit lame.

On the plus side, Archangel as you said as well as attractive women, but where is my boy Wolvy at?

[darkmanx_429]

Looks good, but agreed that his voice isn't epic enough, 90's cartoon was more badass.

If he's so strong why doesn't he just kill everyone and

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make his better world though

seems a bit lame.

On the plus side, Archangel as you said as well as attractive women, but where is my boy Wolvy at?

Meh, we've had enough of the Hugh Jackman show. There are only a couple of instances where I want to see Wolvy back at this point:

A. If it's in a X flick then I want to see him in the iconic mask.

B. In the Marvel Cinematic Universe against the Hulk.

[zangetsu468]

Meh, we've had enough of the Hugh Jackman show. There are only a couple of instances where I want to see Wolvy back at this point:

A. If it's in a X flick then I want to see him in the iconic mask.

B. In the Marvel Cinematic Universe against the Hulk.

I agree with this, I said my boy Wolvy - not Hugh!

I always thought Mickey Rourke would have been a better Wolverine at the time. Especially after the character he played in Sin City.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

I'm tired of Wolverine and the mindless popularity that follows him around. I'm glad he's not present (and hope he remains absent). I love Hugh Jackman and his portrayal, and so far he's worked wonders for the franchise, but I want to see some movies that stand without him, especially since this is set in the 1980's, well before he was a member of the team in this canon.

One incredible run-on sentence later, and I will say this:

That's not Apocalypse, and I've had words on my blog about Olivia Munn's casting in the past.

My stance on that has not changed at all.

[zangetsu468]

I'm tired of Wolverine and the mindless popularity that follows him around.

I think that is a bit harsh. I would seriously peak for yourself or others when you say 'mindless' - not that I know you personally so I'm not one to take offense - I've been a Wolverine fan since the early 90's when I was a kid collecting comics (nobody from this generation knew who Wolverine was then). So to call people like myself mindless or say we're following 'mindlessly' or however you spin it is not appreciative, as we have invested our personal interest, time and money into this character's franchises because of our love for this character as well as others.
Although I may speak for a minority of his fans, without our interest and investment(s) into this character he would not be what he is today.
(In actual fact Wolverine was always my favourite even though I was very familiar with all of the X-men and also really liked Rogue and Gambit and Cable - as lesser seen character in Xmen).

This has become evident in his role within the movies and I'm not having a crack at Jackman, I think he's done a good job but almost made Wolverine too "nice" (like what LOS Gabriel did to Dracula) and anyone who has followed the comics knows what I'm on about.

Given the comic books canon and the popularity of the 90's cartoon, I'll be surprised if this is set before Wolverine joins the Xmen as it appeared at the time that DOFP led into this film. However, given Xavier's appearance among other things it would appear he won't be joining them, which is a shame imo.

[darkmanx_429]

I think that is a bit harsh. I would seriously peak for yourself or others when you say 'mindless' - not that I know you personally so I'm not one to take offense - I've been a Wolverine fan since the early 90's when I was a kid collecting comics (nobody from this generation knew who Wolverine was then). So to call people like myself mindless or say we're following 'mindlessly' or however you spin it is not appreciative, as we have invested our personal interest, time and money into this character's franchises because of our love for this character as well as others.
Although I may speak for a minority of his fans, without our interest and investment(s) into this character he would not be what he is today.
(In actual fact Wolverine was always my favourite even though I was very familiar with all of the X-men and also really liked Rogue and Gambit and Cable - as lesser seen character in Xmen).

This has become evident in his role within the movies and I'm not having a crack at Jackman, I think he's done a good job but almost made Wolverine too "nice" (like what LOS Gabriel did to Dracula) and anyone who has followed the comics knows what I'm on about.

Given the comic books canon and the popularity of the 90's cartoon, I'll be surprised if this is set before Wolverine joins the Xmen as it appeared at the time that DOFP led into this film. However, given Xavier's appearance among other things it would appear he won't be joining them, which is a shame imo.

Or Wolverine is one of the 4 Horsemen in this movie.

[Belmontoya]

Hugh Jackman is great as wolverine. He's popular because he's awesome. The wolverine character is great, that's why people love him. It's not mindless.

There are reasons for why certain characters rise above and hit with masses. That doesn't make them uncool.

The voice of apocalypse was cool in my opinion.

I woke up every Saturday to watch the 90's cartoon as a kid as well. I was obsessed with X-men. But I'm not going to hold a movie made 20 something years later to the standard of a Saturday morning cartoon from the 90's. That's just silly.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

If you read my post, I actually point out that I like Hugh Jackman's portrayal very much, but I call the fandom "mindless" because much of the financial success of the films has very little to do with how good it is, and more to do with Wolverine's presence.

It's part of what made First Class so intriguing was that it did well with Wolverine only appearing for a single precision F-strike.

But Days of Future Past, for all the great Xavier and Erik moments, was essentially another episode of "The Wolverine Power Hour Or Two In This Case".

Wolverine's popularity unhealthily overshadows everything else in the franchise, and that needs to backpedal fast.

[darkmanx_429]

If you read my post, I actually point out that I like Hugh Jackman's portrayal very much, but I call the fandom "mindless" because much of the financial success of the films has very little to do with how good it is, and more to do with Wolverine's presence.

It's part of what made First Class so intriguing was that it did well with Wolverine only appearing for a single precision F-strike.

But Days of Future Past, for all the great Xavier and Erik moments, was essentially another episode of "The Wolverine Power Hour Or Two In This Case".

Wolverine's popularity unhealthily overshadows everything else in the franchise, and that needs to backpedal fast.

Amen. That is why you haven't seen any other origins movies for any other X-men and the purposed Magneto Origins movie got bundled into First Class.

The bad part is now Jennifer Lawrence is basically taking over Hugh Jackman's spot formost overcasted mutant of the films. Personally I don't really care for her as an actress in these films, I much rather prefer Rebecca Romijn (Meow...)

[Belmontoya]

I don't know man..

The second wolverine movie was my favorite X-men anything film.

Wolverine can stand alone like a batman or iron man.
That's why he's so huge on X-men. He's just that good.

But I can see how someone who feels differently could be annoyed by it.

[zangetsu468]

If you read my post, I actually point out that I like Hugh Jackman's portrayal very much, but I call the fandom "mindless" because much of the financial success of the films has very little to do with how good it is, and more to do with Wolverine's presence.

It's part of what made First Class so intriguing was that it did well with Wolverine only appearing for a single precision F-strike.

But Days of Future Past, for all the great Xavier and Erik moments, was essentially another episode of "The Wolverine Power Hour Or Two In This Case".

Wolverine's popularity unhealthily overshadows everything else in the franchise, and that needs to backpedal fast.

But why does it need to backpedal? That's like saying the Avengers movies should stop being The Hulk or Iron Man 'show', but in reality these characters steal the show because of two things; 1) their personality/ character that resonates with the audience and 2) how well they can act and outact other cast members, the 2 going hand-in-hand. Of course if you have the most popular character by default paired with the most popular actor (both catering to the masses) you will generate big business. That's how Hollywood works, it's why tickets to the fast and furious movies sell so well and why the ones starring Paul Walker sold significantly better than the ones without. This is the nature of Hollywood = popular actors generate business.

You do have the hardcore fans who will see the movies based on how good the plot and/ or synopsis looks, or who the character is etc. However, unlike a comic book you will have people choosing to see a film purely because it features and actor (or more) whom they enjoy watching. Not only has Wolverine become one of the World's favourite Superheroes of all time - that fans actually love, respect and follow the character - but his alter ego Jackman has reached the pinnacle of his career and heavily popularised an already incredibly popular (one of the most popular) comic book characters/ series in history. You can not divorce this from Hollywood and unfortunately movies need to sell well. That is the nature of Hollywood.

In addition on a personal note X2 is arguably still the best film to date (followed by DOFP) both which heavily involved Wolverine, both which were not origin stories. Much as one can argue that it's the "Wolverine Power hour" that's completely untrue for dofp, he was involved in 2-3 minute long fights the entire film and 2 were not even real fight scenes, 1 was against Magneto. (He didn't even tear apart a Sentinel!) Re: Dofp specifically, Although Wolverine was sent back in time I would argue the entire film was about Magneto>Xavier>Wolverine>Mystique>Future Xmen

[darkmanx_429]

It's good to see that I am not the only person that regards X2 as the best X movie in the series so far. In my opinion it's also the movie that is closest to the source material i.e. comics.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

But why does it need to backpedal? That's like saying the Avengers movies should stop being The Hulk or Iron Man 'show', but in reality these characters steal the show because of two things; 1) their personality/ character that resonates with the audience and 2) how well they can act and outact other cast members, the 2 going hand-in-hand.

But Avengers is a crappy comparison, as Joss Whedon was very careful to direct the film in a way so that it doesn't expressly favor any single character in terms of on-screen time and dialog uttered. The X Men films are MASSIVELY skewed in favor of, in order 1) Wolverine 2) Magneto 3) Everyone else.

One thing that I respect about the first two films was they had a very similar character balance to The Avengers, with no one character actually dominating the amount of screentime or dialog. Wolverine, who is understandably the CLEAR audience favorite due to finally becoming a sympathetic character instead of a tiny hairy snarling badass, is in his element here with a proper balance that doesn't force him to carry the whole film. X-Men 2 put a little more dramatic weight on him, but no one could really argue he has too much presence in the film-- given the villain's personal connection with him, I'd even say his screentime is just about perfect. X-Men 3 changed that, effectively making him the series' overall main character and viewpoint. After that, we got X-Men Origins: Wolverine (which we can all agree was going to happen no matter what after Hugh Jackman was cast) which pointedly existed entirely to cater to the character's overwhelming popularity. Leaving him out of First Class (except for the most brilliant cameo in a superhero film ever; sorry Stan Lee) was a wise decision that allowed for rebalancing the cast's overall weight in the narrative.

Then we got The Wolverine, which was a much better fanservice film than Origins, and it was pretty damn good, all told; but it remains a fanservice film catering to Wolverine's popularity. But then, in Days of Future Past (or at least the version that was released to theaters), Wolverine is again the central viewpoint and arguable main character of the film, despite this supposedly being Xavier and Erik's show. Now, the Rogue Cut of the film did much better in that regard, and it's pretty clearly the version that Singer and co. wished you could have seen in theaters, and is a much better final product that restores the screentime balance a bit more.

Now, Wolvie has long been the franchise's big breakout character, but eventually, his popularity reached levels that could be considered outright RIDICULOUS. Even TV Tropes essentially called the promotional machine on it's own shit by naming a trope about such publicity-fed popularity after Wolverine. And said page also brings up Iron Man being basically the same story post-2008, just in case you were wondering. Both Iron Man and Wolverine tend to be spotlight thieves whenever and wherever they show up, and Joss Whedon even admitted to deliberately working to keep Iron Man's presence at par with everyone else in the two Avengers films.

Again. I like Wolverine. I like Hugh Jackman (and am still hoping he gets cast as James Bond one day).

I just don't like the way the movies tend to lean on him. X2 and the Rogue Cut of Days of Future Past are probably the two best films in the franchise though, followed by First Class (for being the best superhero origin story ever filmed).

[zangetsu468]

But Avengers is a crappy comparison, as Joss Whedon was very careful to direct the film in a way so that it doesn't expressly favor any single character in terms of on-screen time and dialog uttered.

It's not a crappy comparison, it's a Movie starring several superheroes where certain Heroes and villains are allocated more airplay than others. Fantastic Four would be a shitty comparison because for eg in the movie arc which starred Jessica Alba: more often than not all 4 characters were on the screen at the same time. (It was really only "Thing" who went off for a bit on his own to face an internal dillemma).
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Avengers was more carefully directed, but that didn't stop the script and acting of Iron Man (start-middle) and Hulk (end) stealing the show.

The X Men films are MASSIVELY skewed in favor of, in order 1) Wolverine 2) Magneto 3) Everyone else.

I say no on this. It's not so Black and white.
Most of the films? As a majority of collective airtime, does Wolverine win? Yes, however, X-men films imo was more weighted in this way particularly in terms of story/ airtime/ character development:
X1:
Rogue/ Wolverine> Jean/ Xavier/ Magneto> Storm/ Cyclops/ Mystique> everyone else
I would even argue Rogue was the main character of X1, given her involvement to the plot, Magneto requiring her etc, but I say Rogue/Wolverine because they share a lot of scenes together and ultimately he dominates as an actor.
Also granted Wolverine has more scenes with different people being Jean>Xavier>Cyclops>Magneto>everyone else, but I also believe they were setting up for X2 being more about him (and Jean)
X2:
Wolverine> Jean/ Storm/ Xavier(had a long ass part in this film)> Nightcrawler/ Mystique
X3:
Wolverine>Jean> Everyone else(but the production was shit on this and not directed by the same individual as the 1st two)

All in all the constants of the 3 films wound up being Wolverine and Jean/ Phoenix, X2-3 was pretty much a condensed Phoenix arc which should have taken place over 3 films, not 2.

One thing that I respect about the first two films was they had a very similar character balance to The Avengers, with no one character actually dominating the amount of screentime or dialog.

I second this.

Wolverine, who is understandably the CLEAR audience favorite due to finally becoming a sympathetic character instead of a tiny hairy snarling badass,

You seem mad here..

X-Men 2 put a little more dramatic weight on him, but no one could really argue he has too much presence in the film-- given the villain's personal connection with him, I'd even say his screentime is just about perfect.

I agree, it was about right, I'd even say the Deathstrike fight was visually too fast and should've been slowed down a bit. Result = slightly more airtime.

X-Men 3 changed that, effectively making him the series' overall main character and viewpoint.

Wolverine or not X-3 was a fuckin mess. People say Terminator Genysis was a mess never watched X-3...

After that, we got X-Men Origins: Wolverine (which we can all agree was going to happen no matter what after Hugh Jackman was cast) which pointedly existed entirely to cater to the character's overwhelming popularity.

Yes it was an origins story so expected to be about him, however there were many other mutants: Deadpool and Gambit being 2 of them who got plenty of airtime. Not to mention Sabretooth who imo nearly stole the show and was a much better Sabretooth than X-1's seeming like a mindless beast with zero recollection. Let's not forget Wolverine's love interest played a massive plot role in this film which also served as a precursor to X2. I'd argue that this being Wolverine origins, screen time  for each character was fair.

Leaving him out of First Class (except for the most brilliant cameo in a superhero film ever; sorry Stan Lee) was a wise decision that allowed for rebalancing the cast's overall weight in the narrative.

Never saw it because it looked average to me. Might try to watch it during the holidays season. (Festivus)

Then we got The Wolverine, which was a much better fanservice film than Origins, and it was pretty damn good, all told; but it remains a fanservice film catering to Wolverine's popularity.

I don't agree with this. Was it a good film? Yes it was good but when I saw Wolverine and Japan (two of my favourite things) I was hoping for his history in Japan, not a film set after X-3 where he returns to Japan. I thought the action scenes and the story were decent, but I'd argue 1/3 of this film was female fanservice (and male, for those who are either gay or like Japanese women) the other 1/3 was free marketing thrown in all over the signage/ billboards during city chase scenes, and the last 1/3 was the blood and bones which is Wolverine.

I actually believe that as a narrative Origins was a better film, it did more for setting up things in the X movie arc. The rivalry with Sabretooth was something that was missed in X1 and one of the better onscreen rivalries I have seen in recent years. I'm not certain why it gets a lot of hate, but I personally am not a huge fan of Deadpool's character in this film nor of Ryan Reynolds. So in the end I'd rate the two films about a 7.5 (IGN scoring)

But then, in Days of Future Past (or at least the version that was released to theaters), Wolverine is again the central viewpoint and arguable main character of the film, despite this supposedly being Xavier and Erik's show.

Wolverine punches 2-3 humans and unsuccessfully fights Magneto for an entire 3 minutes, I would argue he's more here out of presence and comic relief in this film. He does balance the seriousness of the film and the ramifications of saving the future with his devil may care attitude. I also believe it was served as a narrative device to allow Wolverine to feel closer to Xavier as seen in the end of the film, as in X-1 and 2 he didn't necessarily feel like a true member of Xavier's school.

Seriously though sidebar: Why would you have a film with Sentinels and Wolverine as one of the main characters where he doesn't even rip one apart?? (In the comics his bone claws ripped through Ghost Rider's motorcycle.) This and the quicksilver scene which was witty and funny pissed me off, QS could have nullified the entire synopsis for freeing Magneto with his abilities.

Now, Wolvie has long been the franchise's big breakout character, but eventually, his popularity reached levels that could be considered outright RIDICULOUS.

So he should, in the 90's he was always an underrated character imo.
Agreed putting him on issues which he doesn't appear is ridiculous, but how many times has this happened throughout comic history and with other superheroes? Ever read a book where the cover or title had nothing to do with it? I know I have, several times. I admit it's a dick move, but in the age of currency I'm neither surprised nor shocked.

Again. I like Wolverine. I like Hugh Jackman (and am still hoping he gets cast as James Bond one day).

That would be interesting, I can't get into Daniel Craig. Jackman seems like a compromise between him and Brosnan, maybe even like a modern day Sean Connery - with short non-Wolvy hair he could definitely fill this role.

I just don't like the way the movies tend to lean on him.

In all honesty I understand but I disagree, too much Wolverine is never a bad thing
Having said this, I much prefer X1 and 2 to the Wolverine only films, thus I think there needs to be other mutants in the mix also (probably why I don't hate Wolverine Origins)

X2 and the Rogue Cut of Days of Future Past are probably the two best films in the franchise though

These are my thoughts exactly

X2> DOFP> X1 > The Wolverine/ Origins> X3