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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2017, 05:13:07 AM »
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With the correct budget and good writing, I can totally see a CV live-action movie happening. Then again, VG movies aren't the best around.

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 05:35:11 AM »
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Neither were comic book movies for the first 40 years or so that they tried them.  But there is nothing inherent to all games that makes them impossible to translate to film.  And certainly not the mini-series format.  Castlevania is actually a series far more adaptable than most, given it's rich history, unique and interesting characters, drama, and potential for spectacle.  Some people just can't handle adaptations of things they love.  I am not one of them.  Hated the Hellboy movies, still love the comic, and don't hate on them for trying.  If this series is bad, ok, Castlevania is basically dead anyway, at least we get a few more breaths before it croaks to pachi-slot hell.  If it's awesome, then hell yeah.  Maybe we can get a Bloodstained riffing "Castlevania: The Animated Series - The Game!"  Which would essentially be an Igavania Cv3 remake, which even if not great, would still be pretty great.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2017, 05:53:39 AM »
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You know t[ Invalid YouTube link ]he saying "don't knock something before you've tried it?" Well, sometimes, that is wrong. I feyhar this series cannot possibly deliver on what Castlevania is and what makes the series so beloved. Oftentimes, things that are originally conceived as a game are better left alone as such. Ah well, at least it will be an *animated* series. One shudders to think what a horrible mess a real-life adaption would be.

Well Dracula Untold is basically LoS1 abridged

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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2017, 06:25:05 AM »
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Well Dracula Untold is basically LoS1 abridged
Every time I see that movie, I get ideas for a CV adaptation. It's the closest thing we have to a CV blockbuster movie.

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2017, 07:09:54 AM »
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Every time I see that movie, I get ideas for a CV adaptation. It's the closest thing we have to a CV blockbuster movie.

VanHelsing.

Unfortunately both movies are terrible.  And I really feel that Dracula Untold only very vaguely resembles LoS.
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2017, 10:21:00 AM »
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Well Dracula Untold is basically LoS1 abridged

And both the movie and the game where awful, which only proves my point.

Also, damn you, PlotTwist. That was horrible. XD
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2017, 11:42:33 AM »
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all that movie money is better making more Castlevania quality type games.


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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2017, 01:35:04 PM »
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Wait, hold on. So who is playing the goat??

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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2017, 04:20:32 PM »
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Turns out James Callis was Gaius Baltar on the Battlestar Galactica reboot. Maybe he's Alucard... or Isaac in the unlikely event they acknowledge COD.

Wait, hold on. So who is playing the goat??

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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2017, 07:15:53 PM »
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VanHelsing.

Unfortunately both movies are terrible.

Van Helsing is actually a better Monster Mash than the first few Castlevanias, carrying all the ham and cheese that is inherent to that formula with aplomb and never ever refusing to acknowledge it, instead pinning it all to its chest with pride. It knows exactly what kind of movie it is and has all the fun it possibly can with that. "Not serious" doesn't ever mean "bad" in and of itself.

Also, according to the Xbox game, the Belmont family exists and is (or was) active in the film's world as well, if a book found in a in-game library is anything to go by.

So it's hardly like Castlevania wasn't one of their inspirations. Even Dracula's midget vertically challenged minions, the Dwergi, physically resemble Flea Men (of all the possible things they might have looked like). Van Helsing even gets a callback in Order of Ecclesia with the Succubi being dead ringers for Dracula's brides in the film. So it's all in good fun and the evidence suggests Iga liked it pretty well too.

I feel no shame in calling it the best (and only) Castlevania film we're ever likely to get.

As to whether this series can deliver, while I like Tatasciore, he's nowhere near good enough to carry a series by himself and so I really hope the rest of the cast can carry their own weight.

The way I see it, since Van Helsing is a silly and less serious romp with all the horror trappings, like we tend to regard the NES-to-Genesis era today, this darker more serious turn seems more akin to the late 90's franchise as it was struggling to figure out how to adapt and move forward in a new climate and darkened and grittied up for a time before it came back down a few notches in 2002. Given that the Castlevania brand is finally starting to wake up from a long sleep via this series, I find this... not entirely inappropriate. Fingers crossed, but I won't hold my breath yet -- there's still a pretty big margin for fuckup here.
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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2017, 01:37:37 AM »
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Van Helsing is actually a better Monster Mash than the first few Castlevanias, carrying all the ham and cheese that is inherent to that formula with aplomb and never ever refusing to acknowledge it, instead pinning it all to its chest with pride. It knows exactly what kind of movie it is and has all the fun it possibly can with that. "Not serious" doesn't ever mean "bad" in and of itself.

Also, according to the Xbox game, the Belmont family exists and is (or was) active in the film's world as well, if a book found in a in-game library is anything to go by.

So it's hardly like Castlevania wasn't one of their inspirations. Even Dracula's midget vertically challenged minions, the Dwergi, physically resemble Flea Men (of all the possible things they might have looked like). Van Helsing even gets a callback in Order of Ecclesia with the Succubi being dead ringers for Dracula's brides in the film. So it's all in good fun and the evidence suggests Iga liked it pretty well too.

I feel no shame in calling it the best (and only) Castlevania film we're ever likely to get.

As to whether this series can deliver, while I like Tatasciore, he's nowhere near good enough to carry a series by himself and so I really hope the rest of the cast can carry their own weight.

The way I see it, since Van Helsing is a silly and less serious romp with all the horror trappings, like we tend to regard the NES-to-Genesis era today, this darker more serious turn seems more akin to the late 90's franchise as it was struggling to figure out how to adapt and move forward in a new climate and darkened and grittied up for a time before it came back down a few notches in 2002. Given that the Castlevania brand is finally starting to wake up from a long sleep via this series, I find this... not entirely inappropriate. Fingers crossed, but I won't hold my breath yet -- there's still a pretty big margin for fuckup here.

COMPLETELY agree.

The Van Hellsing film gets to much hate in my opinion, it felt to me very much like a Castlevania film even though it was not which was great for me, the only thing I disliked was the portrayal of Dracula, they should have gotten a better actor to fit the Dracula role, other than that I have always held it as a pseudo CV film considering the slim chances of getting a actual live action one.


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Re: Netflix Castlevania Animation: Cast Revealed
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2017, 12:50:01 PM »
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COMPLETELY agree.

The Van Hellsing film gets to much hate in my opinion, it felt to me very much like a Castlevania film even though it was not which was great for me, the only thing I disliked was the portrayal of Dracula, they should have gotten a better actor to fit the Dracula role, other than that I have always held it as a pseudo CV film considering the slim chances of getting a actual live action one.

I liked the camp Dracula, but I totally get what you mean -- there are more than a few "so campy I must wince" moments provided therein. Richard Roxburgh was at the time a very well connected actor who was close friends with Stephen Sommers (the director). I don't know for certain, but from what I know of both of them I don't think Roxburgh "wormed" his way in; I think it was more akin to Sommers needed someone in the role, and remembered that he was friends with this nice and talented guy who'd done good/fun work in stuff like The Hound of the Baskervilles, Moulin Rouge!, and Mission Impossible 2 and felt he'd be a good fit for the film he was putting together. And largely, I feel that was true. He was a good fit. He just got... carried away more than a few times. But then, if you're gonna get carried away and unleash the full power of your inner ham and cheese omelet and leave no corner of the scenery unchewed... Van Helsing is absolutely the film you should do it in.

It's in that category of films also occupied by Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and Pride, Prejudice, and Zombies: no critic aside from Roger Ebert would have ever said nice things about them, but goddamn they're fun movies to watch and maybe riff with a few friends. And they're made specifically to be like that.

So, I have never understood the hate, either.

But alas, we're getting off track, so I shall shut up for the time being and wait for someone else to say something a little more topical.
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2017, 01:49:48 PM »
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"It's ok for the movie to be bad because it knows it's not serious." No. Just no.  I love plenty of non serious movies,  and hardly the type to demand serious grittiness. VanHelsing is a terrible movie.   I remember when it came out in theaters,  I don't think I've ever been as excited for a movie. It was clearly a Castlevania RIP off, and I LOVED that.  I remember watching tv behind the scenes specials before release.  I played the game and was the first person to post a screen cap of the Belmont reference on the ancient dungeon forum, I still love the game.  I even still go back and watch the movie every so many years trying to like it. It is just a bad, bad, bad movie.   And I enjoy the Subspecies franchise.  It deserves the repuation it has. The animated mini prequel was about as bad too.
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2017, 03:21:19 PM »
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I look at Van Helsing much like Underworld as a whole -- good bit of campy fun, just don't think too hard about most of it.

That and:

-Kate Beckinsale actually getting to use her regular voice/accent
-A pretty fucking underrated Dracula performance IMO, despite the camp, and one that breaks the Lugosi mold in a way I really enjoy (that fucking Hungarian accent)
-Kate Beckinsale kicking ass in Victorian gear
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2017, 05:24:39 PM »
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I look at Van Helsing much like Underworld as a whole -- good bit of campy fun, just don't think too hard about most of it.

That and:

-Kate Beckinsale actually getting to use her regular voice/accent
-A pretty fucking underrated Dracula performance IMO, despite the camp, and one that breaks the Lugosi mold in a way I really enjoy
-Kate Beckinsale kicking ass in Victorian gear
-Kate Beckinsale

Basically a good solid fun summer popcorn flick. Sometimes we throw popcorn at the screen because of the narminess, but that's just one more reason I love it.
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"It's ok for the movie to be bad because it knows it's not serious." No. Just no.  I love plenty of non serious movies,  and hardly the type to demand serious grittiness. VanHelsing is a terrible movie.   I remember when it came out in theaters,  I don't think I've ever been as excited for a movie. It was clearly a Castlevania RIP off, and I LOVED that.  I remember watching tv behind the scenes specials before release.  I played the game and was the first person to post a screen cap of the Belmont reference on the ancient dungeon forum, I still love the game.  I even still go back and watch the movie every so many years trying to like it. It is just a bad, bad, bad movie.   And I enjoy the Subspecies franchise.  It deserves the repuation it has. The animated mini prequel was about as bad too.

I'm really sorry AlexCalvo that you don't enjoy the movie as many of us do -- for my friends it's been an annual Halloween event since the movie first came out much as there have been fans of The Rocky Horror Picture Show since it first hit the stage. I don't think Van Helsing will ultimately have the sort of timeless cheese that Rocky has, but it's still an apt comparison, because "Fun" does never equates with "Good" in and of itself.

Van Helsing isn't terrible by any objective measure (critics are NOT an objective measure, nor is Rotten Tomatoes, which is built around critics), but it's demonstrably not a good one either. Which is precisely why we who like it happen to like it. Like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, Pride, Prejudice, and Zombies, or dare I say it, Snakes on a (muthafuckin') Plane, the fun of the experience is decidedly not the objective quality production of the film. Instead, for every moment of intentionally crafted enjoyment Van Helsing has to offer, there are two more moments of ironic enjoyment that are drawn precisely out of the campy nature of the film. Which again, the movie is carefully and deliberately constructed around that type of viewing. It's not for everyone, and it seems that you aren't in the crowd it was intended for. It's sad, but it's not the end of anybody's world -- no film will win everybody over. You gave it a good shot at trying to like it, which is more than most non-fans can be expected to do; a lot of people dislike films despite never even having seen them or understood what it's about, or having gone to it with the intention of finding something to rip apart, which is almost as bad.

You gave it a shot, and it didn't pan out. Shame, but good on you for trying.

I fully anticipate that this Netflix Castlevania project is destined to be highly divisive among us fans in much the same way though. There are going to be people who love it, and those who hate it. I will probably wind up as one of those who will shrug and go "Well, at least they tried. Gold star for effort". I'd love to be proven wrong by being treated to an absolutely on-the-nose spectacle crafted by true fans of the saga who understand all the ins and outs of the property like Captain America: Winter Soldier was, but after years of bad games to other-media adaptations, I've learned a certain degree of detachment and cynicism.

Though I also really liked the Assassin's Creed and Warcraft films after I saw them, so I'm hardly the most objective viewpoint.

In my defense, I was also expecting those to be much worse than they ended up being. If nothing else they are very faithful adaptations that wound up looking very bland against a backdrop of many much more interesting films in 2016 (the one damn thing that year did right, imo).
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